A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - The Great Chicken Wing Debate: Drums vs. Flats

Episode Date: September 30, 2020

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This, this, this, this is Mythical. It's the battle of the chicken wing. The line in the sand has been drawn. It's time to pick a side. Today we ask the question, which is better, drums or flats? This is A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie.

Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich, the show where we break down the world's biggest food debates. I'm your host, Josh Ayer.

And I'm your host, Nicole Handizadeh. And today we are discussing whether drums or drumettes, as they are technically named, are better than flats or wingettes, as they are technically named. Nicole, what do you think? I'm a diehard flats girl. Always have been, always will be. Liking flats only is not a personality. It is.

That's what I'll say. No, it's not. It's like the person who views their Starbucks order as a personality when they're like, I get a chai latte with three pumps of vanilla. And then what you have to do is you ask them for a little splash of the hibiscus tea because then you get, no, no, no.

Everyone who has an opinion on drums versus flats seems to take flats. And I do agree that they offer a much different experience. They offer a different experience across the whole chicken than a drumette ever could. Sure. Which is why I lobby for the humble drumette. I lobby for the humble drumette. It is easier to eat. I think it offers a bridge.

The drumette is easier to eat. Oh, okay. How do you eat a flat i i hold it with two fingies and i go and then uh i i'm a bone sucker so like i i like bite the top of the bone and i chew on it and then i suck out the the center of the bone my plate is clean Like you cannot see one trace of chicken on my bones ever. If you were a professional wrestler, you'd just be called the bone sucker. Yeah. I'm gonna suck your bones.

My mom would be very proud of that. My mom, I used to watch my mom eat like chicken and she would just like gnaw on the bone. And I was like, you're a monster. But now I do the same thing because it's good. Do you eat all the cartilage off the flat? Off the flat, yes. But I can't off the drumette. I think I know what you're talking about.

There's the one little sticky muscular tissue, the nub on the drumette. That's my favorite part of the drumette. That's your favorite? I can't get through it. That's why it's harder to eat for me. You got to clamp down with your teeth like a vise. And then you got to rip it apart. But I always do, and it's still not enjoyable.

I can't swallow that little nub. I think, to me, there is an air of entitlement around and i am dead serious there's an air of entitlement around the flats lovers okay because so many people now wing restaurants have caught on to this right where people seem to much prefer flats to drums and so they have started offering a surcharge for all flats if you try and order them yeah and there's no reason that they offer they don't have a reason to offer a surcharge for all drums because no one seems to want that right yeah there's a lot of diehard flats people and people like it's the same part of the wing it's on there you have them in the back why are you charging me extra it's like

because then every a-hole would want that and then it's cutting into their margins because then they're serving people all drums without recognizing it. And then they're going to get the negative reviews on Yelp. So no, like I think when you order wings, you engage in a social contract. You enter into that. You're signing your name on the dotted line that you must respect and eat both equally. But I have been pushed so far by the extremists on the all flat side to really respect the drumette and all of its perfection. I think you just always root for the underdog and this is what's happening right now. You just love the underdog and you like to raise the underdog up to a higher frequency, which I think is whack. It sucks. It's less enjoyable. I'll still eat it. Like if I get,

you know, go to Buffalo Wild Wings and I get wings, I'll eat both of the wings, but I prefer to always, you know, eat the flats and I'll leave the drum for someone else. You see what I'm saying? We've talked about this a lot, our kind of definitions of love, right? Like we've talked about love languages and all that, but we've talked about our definitions of love. And I mean, you should elaborate on what you think that is, because this was really beautiful to me when you explained it, what our soulmate is. Yeah. So I've talked about this in multiple classes, but with chicken wings, it's you should be with someone who's a little bit different than you always. Because if I love flats and my partner loves drums, then our plate will always be clean.

That's true. However, I also believe that so much of love is sacrificial, right? Don DeLillo called it the burden of pleasure, right? To be able to sacrifice for your partner is the truest sort of pleasure that you can get in a relationship, in my opinion. No. So if someone...

I'm the opposite. The bone sucker is selfish. I'm the opposite. Give me all the love. I'm saying like the ability to take, if someone, you know, if I say don't enjoy drums as much as my partner is enjoying flats, I will happily take that drum as a gesture of supplication to tell you like when it comes down to something more serious in life, I will be the one to take this burden. So I don't think it has to be this equal split of like one likes this thing so they don't have to sacrifice for the other person.

To me, it's like that ability to sacrifice that, you know, putting the burden of pleasure pleasure on the other person then that is why i believe drumettes are better than flats whenever you're dating someone do you ever give them the first and or the last bite of food i it's so funny in in i always offer the last bite of food but it's actually funny i've recently got i hate that i'm gonna talk about this i've recently started counting my macros. Nicole has heard the word macro now 8 million times in the kitchen in the last four days. That's true. But it's really funny because my girlfriend and I started doing it

and she is a relatively petite person and I am a relatively large person. And, you know, whenever I'll cook dinner for her or we go out to a restaurant, right? It's always we're splitting the food equally and whatnot. And I'll always offer the last bite. And then we figured out what we really should be eating by the numbers and it's just like oh you should literally be eating three times the amount that i am who that's just literally

me and julia what do you mean three times like i like i need three times the calories that julie roughly three times i thought you needed three times more than what you were currently eating i'm like that's crazy than her so i'm, so when we go to a restaurant, I should literally be splitting this dish. And then I should also, of course, be paying for it. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, we're not the couple who like keeps a tab of, you know, who owes who. Never, no, no, never, never. No, but now I'm feeling like guilty because I'm like, I'm a 210 pound human being who works out a lot.

Like, I'm going to be eating three quarters of this kebab. Like I should be paying for three quarters of it, of course. No, it's okay. Just pay for all of it. That's a nice thing to do. Yeah, I try. What about whenever you guys eat wings together? Yeah, so we have eaten wings a fair amount.

She and I are both, I think maybe it's just because we're both very kind of sacrificial people. Like we like to be the person that sort of gives up that burden. We will attack the drumettes first. I know I said I like drumettes more. I will agree that like flats are they're almost like objectively better. They are the quintessential wing eating

experience. I agree. But again, like I said, the wing is two parts. Technically three if you consider the tip. Wing tips are a whole other thing. We don't talk about wing tips enough. We don't talk about wing tips no we're talking about wing tips great for stock lovely just non when you fry them yeah but no when you order a wing like there are two parts this is the economics of a chicken the economics of chicken wings are already so messed up i know we've talked about it before remember boneless versus yeah exactly like wings are now more expensive than chicken breast which is this crazy role reversal. So for me, it's like you, when you order wings,

you need to, you know, at least act like you are enjoying the drums. Like the drums are the stick to get to the carrot that is the flat. And then the carrot is the thing that you just throw away at the end because I've never taken a single bite of carrot or celery while eating.

Not in the last like five, I'll do it every like five years just to reaffirm that like, no, I don't like veggie sticks. Oh my gosh. I love the veggie sticks. They cut through all the spices. No, my 32 ounces of diet Coke cut through all the spices. Oh no. I like to, I like to have a carrot stick or celery stick.

I love to have a nice soft roll and I dip the roll in ranch dressing like a sponge. Why don't they do that? It's a lovely sponge and I dip it. Well, they should just put that under wing baskets. What are they doing with parchment paper? They just need to lay it with bread. Agreed. I have my favorite thing to do is I eat the wings and you've seen me eat, right? It's like all the time to say eating like a pig would be a kind of understatement because pigs at least tend to chew, right? I eat like a duck. It's like a Hoover vac. Yeah. Like a sort of of yeah like a a duck who's being gavaged you know which is the force feeding

process for foie gras except i'm doing it willingly and i'm just shoving my face in there i get all covered in kinds of stuff you see in my face it's disgusting did you say gavage gavage bone sucker and gavage man names We'd be the best tag team Break out a frying pan and whack the ref over the head While you pin the other person That'd be great I don't think I'd do well at wrestling I have inflexible shoulders and I'm scared of heights

I wouldn't do well at wrestling because I'm a pacifist And I'd be like Anyways I love taking the roll And then just smearing it across my face to wipe up all the flavor. Oh, my gosh. I use the bread as a napkin, and then I eat the bread, and then you get a lovely edible napkin. And to me, that is a true effort of food conservation. People are like, Josh, you don't recycle your cans ever.

I'm like, no, I'm conserving in other ways. Thank you. Yes. I do recycle my cans. With Persian food, with Persian food, we always put a layer of bread underneath the kebab. Oh, what's the,

what's the word for that? It's called noon zira kebab. Noon zira kebab, which is bread underneath the kebab. And people call that, it's like a, it's like a term of endearment for like the younger sister. So like if there's an older sister and a younger sister,

she's the bread under the kebab. It's like she's the best part. You get it? Okay, whatever. I love chicken wings in particular. I love mango habanero wings. What about you? Mango habanero.

So I grew up. I remember the chicken wing boom. I remember when this happened. It was crazy. It was crazy. And this is at the time when like chicken wings were cheaper because there simply wasn't as big a demand. Right. But I remember there was a wing stop on the walk home from my middle school and they had a 25 cent wing Wednesday.

And I was a very large middle schooler. Per wing. 25 cents per wing. That's how cheap chicken wings were. Back in the day. What are we talking about? 2005, 2006? Maybe, yeah.

You know, and I'm this just 250 poundpound just beast of a 13-year-old, and I'm like, I can suck down me some wings. And so I would literally stop at Wingstop every Wednesday, and I would take my allowance, and I would just buy as many wings as that like $5 a week allowance would get me. Okay, let's do the math. So you had $5. $5.

$0.25 a wing. Four. You would get 20 wings, right? Yeah, that seems to add up to me. Is that bad? Yeah, yeah me yeah yeah yeah but i remember once there's a reason we don't have real jobs okay ask our parents why we're not accountants but i remember one time i just went there and straight up got 50 wings wow i remember i got their atomic wingstop atomic but i remember this is before wingstop had the mango habanero

buffalo wild wings had mango habanero and then buffalo wild wings started exploding as a chain eaten into wingstop's business and then wingstop was like we got to get on the mango habanero game so wingstop copied buffalo wild wings mango habanero and i prefer wingstop to buffalo wild wings so i have this kind of like internal bias against mango habanero because i'm like wingstop you're better than that you had hawaiian flavor wings which was already spicy sugar sauce. What was it? Just Hawaiian punch reduced down to a syrup? No, but I think I've made that before.

I think we should make that. I've made Red Bull chicken wings at some point. Oh, that sounds delicious. And by delicious, I mean absolutely disgusting. Yeah, yeah. Pretty good, though. The caffeine gets a little bitter when you cook with Red Bull. Yeah.

But other than that, it's pretty tasty. But no, the single best wing in the world to me. Everyone from Buffalo is going to be mad. People from Buffalo are mad. People from any small city that have a food that they rep get mad about literally anything. The Lehigh Valley cheesesteak eating community sure got mad. The Rochester garbage plate eating community, they sure got mad. Everyone from Buffalo, anytime we mention ranch dressings, like, I'm from Buffalo and we only eat it with blue cheese.

I will say the only people, the only people. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Real high society there, Buffalo. The only people. I'm just kidding. Bill's Mafia for life. I love watching you all smash tables.

The only people to me that have been very gracious about their like local food are Minneapolisans? Minneapolisites? Minneapolisites. Minneapolisites. We'll call them Minneapolisites about the Juicy Lucy. They're just like, that looks pretty good. I'd eat that. Oh my gosh.

I make a sick Juicy Lucy. Yeah, I think we both make some sick Juicy Lucys. I've made some sick Juicy Lucys. I make some sick Squirtin' Sallys. We got Bonesucker and Gavage making Juicy Lucys and Squirtin' Sallys over here. But how can I convince you to say that flats are the better wing? I don't know if there's a way for me to say that flats are the better part of the wing

because I feel like I'm so entrenched morally. To me, this is a moral issue. This is about wing economics to me. And also, I think we are maybe painting a false dichotomy here. But this is a classic debate, right? Like drums are flat. So many different brands use that to drum up engagement on social media. I think it's a false dichotomy because the wing is not, doesn't need to be separated in two parts.

The wing is the wing. Really? You would be okay just getting a whole wing? More than okay with getting a whole wing. I prefer getting the whole wing. Isn't that difficult to eat though? I'm they separated i mean no but i mean like the flats already difficult to eat you know like would you crack it open yes and eat it oh my god getting a whole wing so when we when we talk about the whole wing we're talking about the drum

and the flat they're kind of connected at a 90 degree angle right and then you have an adjacent wing tip yes right and the tips are typically thrown off like when you're ordering wings from a buffalo wild wings etc the tips are typically just you know kind of lopped off and i'm sure go to nothing or they get like thrown into a processing plant to make gelatin or whatever um but no there are like plan check is a restaurant in la that to me they served some of the best wings i'd ever had they were kind of just like this sweet spicy sticky soy glaze on them. But they were whole wings and they were fried in like potato starch, Korean style.

Oh, karaage. And to me, there is nothing more. Yeah. No, karaage is Japanese. Sorry. You're thinking of taekwondo. But no, I mean, wings are such, you know, this experiential food, right? Where it's about getting the sauce on your face and sucking on the bones.

It's a messy food, yeah. It's a messy food. And so for me, taking that extra step to sort of just crack open this wing and then you get this little puff of steam, it holds heat better when you fry it whole like that. And then like the kind of cartilage isn't just fried super hard.

So you get these kind of more supple notes, right? Because you're letting, getting less surface area that's fried. So to me, the whole wing is the way to go. And I think that should be this debate. Whole versus cut? If you believe in whole versus cut wings, because there's no reason that the drum

and the flat should be separated, in my opinion. That'd be like, if you just started like, you know, cracking a chicken thigh in half and then being like, do you prefer left thigh or right thigh? Like when Twix did the left Twix or right Twix thing?

I think that I like them split in halves because I can eat them quicker and faster and have a plate full of bones to show my enemies what I can do. The bone sucker strikes again. She makes a necklace out of the bones that she sucked from her enemies and hangs them around her neck.

I would. We're not going to acknowledge the obvious innuendo here, right? It'd be fine. No, there's no need to. There's no need to. There's no need to. People are going to take it up anyways. People already call me bone sucker.

Did you know, Josh, that according to Joey Chestnut, he prefers two bone wings? They have less cartilage and can get the meat off easier. Did you know? What's a two bone wing? I don't know. That's what it says in the notes. Oh, it notes probably a

flat well yeah chicken wing eating competition is my favorite yeah because there's there's a lot so i'm one i'm a big fan of the ifoce that's the international federation of competitive eating i don't like that i feel they ousted takara kobayashi and they kind of blackballed him from getting back into the league but that's neither here nor there i think competitive eating is absolutely a sport. I'm a huge fan, but the chicken wing eating competition is one of the most technical to me. Because like a hot dog, you got the whole hot dog, you got to eat the whole thing. But with the wing eating competition, right, you're not eating the bones.

But what they do is they give you this giant pile of chicken wings, and you just eat as much as you can, and then you throw the bones onto a pile, and then they weigh the difference. And so to me, there's a lot more oral dexterity. We got the bone sucker and the oral dexterity. We're not the gavage man anymore. You're oral dexterity. Oral dexterity and the bone sucker.

We're gonna suck your bones dexterously. But there's like this oral dexterity component to it of how fast can you like rip the meat off and so joey chestnut preferring two wings like that's from a sports perspective you know it's like whenever whenever like an athlete is like i prefer sweet potatoes normal potatoes like yeah it's because some trainer told you to do that and said they were healthier no i just i just uh i just think that chicken wings are the best i just want to eat chicken wings right now honestly this this whole podcast is about this podcast is about me being hungry and talking about what we're going to order for lunch if they served

ryan says if they serve whole wings are they obligated to state so on the menu yes no yes absolutely not how okay so i'm going to okay i'm going to dinner with the girls okay me and five of the girls we're gonna get chicken wings so it's six of us and then they bring out a plate of wings and it's four wings that's not so they say four wings on the menu right no they never specify that they don't specify a number well i think you should always specify how many how many items come with the thing the restaurants i go to sometimes don't this is a i have i have though totally been at a place where I'm eating with, like, four people. And there's one thing I really hate about restaurants is that the term small plates,

share plates, and family style all mean the same thing. Family style is larger than small plates. Not some places. They'll just be like, we do all family style here at this restaurant. And I'll be like, great, that means that reminds me of like Bucca di Beppo where you go and you just get a giant vat of pasta and it's family style. I love Bucca di Beppo.

Bucca di Bucca. Bucca di Bucca. I call it Bucca di Bucca. Me and my nephew call it Bucca di Bucca. Zubamufu. Zubamufu? No, Zubumafu. Zubumafu. I've been calling it Zubumufu. Zubamufu? No, Zubumafu. Zubumafu. I've been calling and saying Zubumufu the whole time.

Zubumafu. Is that like a kid's show about animals? It's a ring-tailed lemur. His name was Zubumafu? I'm just imagining Samuel L. Jackson saying Zubumafu. Zubumafu. I'm just imagining Samuel L. Jackson saying, Zabuma-fu! Zabuma-fu! I went to a restaurant once, and I was like, I ordered the cod fritters, right?

And I was like, hey, is this going to be enough for four people? And they're like, oh, yeah. And it comes out, and it's just three individual balls of cod fritters. Oh, my gosh. And I just kind of called the waiter over. I was like, hey, so we asked, you know, you said it would be enough for four people. There's just three individual balls of cod fritters. Oh my gosh. And I just kind of called the waiter over. I was like, hey, so we asked, you know, he said it'd be enough for four people. There's clearly three balls.

And they're like, oh, I thought at least one person wouldn't want one. Yeah. And I was like, what about our, how did you psychoanalyze us to decide this? Like, I'm not mad. You could just be honest and say it comes with three. Yeah.

But you seem to imply. So I feel you on the wings creating a numbers differential however we must play the long game in eliminating this false wing dichotomy of drums versus flats by solely serving whole wings also less labor costs the name of our collective

wrestling troupe false wing dichotomy that sounds like a great like uh like garage rock crust punk band false wing dichotomy i would listen to this oh my god that ruined me i'm sorry i mean all i can say is that the the flat is is better than the drum in almost every single way but we can both agree that they're delicious pieces of chicken can we agree i think i think there's something to be said. So the enemy right now, and it's not the enemy. I've

said that I like them, but it's hard to really get the same experience as eating a wing or boneless wings, right? I do think that they offer a complete... I do think that they offer a unique intermediary between popcorn chicken and tenders, and they should be allowed to be called boneless wings. But I think people who want the wing eating experience are shorting themselves. I understand convenience and all that. You just knock them back. They're fun, you know, while watching a game and all that, if you really want to concentrate on whatever's playing.

But to me, I think the drum almost offers this like sort of intermediary between the difficulty of eating a flat because you got to twist the bones. You got to break them off. You got to suck it down. The wing is like it's familiar because it's a drummy, right? It's a little drummy. It's like a drumstick. You've eaten a drumstick from the KFC.

I hate drumsticks. If you're trying to wean yourself off, this is like the- I despise drumsticks. Why do you despise drumsticks? I will never eat a drumstick if it's offered to me. Never. At all? I'm a thigh. Never. I never eat drumsticks i will never eat a drumstick if it's offered to me never at all thigh never i never eat drumsticks what happened to what did what did what bone did you suck that made

drumsticks i just don't like drumsticks i but you know what i always do i steal the little oyster in the back you know the little back part what's on the back of of a drumstick or on there's like a part in the drumstick where like there's like a little hangy bit i know like i take that talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I take that part off when I eat it. But like I don't like just the thought of like going through all of the bone work to get to the meat for a drumstick isn't worth it to me. So I'm a chicken breast and a chicken thigh girl. You know, I have a solution to all this. Chicken wings shouldn't eat them. What?

At all. I have found a better part of the chicken than the wing that offers you the same experience. What I do, you take a whole chicken thigh skin on and everything and then you just cleave it cleanly in half okay and so it becomes especially if it's a kind of more petite bird you get this just like it's got the handles if you imagine you know the anatomy of a chicken thigh it's got the bone handles right and if you cut it like clean across that sort of femur bone there uh-huh then you kind of get these perfect handles and the perfect amount of meat that's hanging off the bone but it comes off very cleanly also the best meat on the bird easily the thigh right we can agree on that i

always oh my god chicken thighs are unbelievable it's like literally maybe my favorite meat mitt romney's favorite meat is hot dog my favorite meat is chicken thigh yeah did you ever hear that quote i think so they're like mitt romney what's your favorite meat it's thigh. Yeah. Did you ever hear that quote? I think so. They were like, Mitt Romney, what's your favorite meat? It's a very American answer. Yeah. It was like someone trained in an AI machine learning bot. Exactly. Like Americans eat hot dogs.

My favorite meat is hot dog. Mitt Romney is a robot. Mitt Romney is a robot. That's something we can all agree on. Beep boop, beep boop, beep boop, boop boop. Zip a moofoo. The cleaved in half chicken thigh,

fried like a buffalo wing and sauced. That's the real answer here. To the most pleasant wing-esque piece of chicken to eat. I firmly believe that. I think any piece of chicken slathered in buttery buffalo sauce is a good piece of chicken. Buffalo sauce can sure save a lot. Oh, I love buffalo sauce. It can sure save a lot.

I love buffalo. It's my favorite dipping sauce. Yeah, agreed. So we recently made buffalo ostrich wings. Oh, phenomenal. Phenomenal. Because the ostrich, we braised the ostrich wings and then we battered it and then we fried it and doused it in buffalo sauce. But ostrich is such like a red meat that it literally looked like beef.

It was gorgeous. And the wings had all this connective tissue that when braised down, it kind of ate like a fried buffaloed pot roast in a way. It was truly, and this is a no cap situation. It was one of the most delicious things you've ever made. And we've made a lot of delicious things, but that ostrich wing was insane. I still think about it to this day. It's so literally buffalo.

It's like a pot roast attached to a bone that you just gnaw and it's covered in this crispy, gorgeous coating and this lemon pepper. that makes me feel good that made me think that made me feel good what what meats can't be buffaloed ah right do you think people actually enjoy chicken wings as much as they just enjoy like fried meat covered in sauce could we open up enjoy right it's just fried meat covered in sauce right i think so it's like I have this huge theory about like this sort of Asian fusion taco movement

that we're seeing across America and we have been since like 2008. And shout out to Roy Choi who his food is objectively absolutely delicious. So great. Very creative, inventive.

Talented. Dude is a hell of a cook. Dude understands the culture of LA and all that. But after Roy Choi came this deluge of people just selling you know,

these quote-unquote fusion tacos. And I remember you may have been there in Westwood. Tommy Taco? Sure, the one next to Fat Sal's? The one right next to Fat Sal's. Yeah, yeah. Tommy Taco. I remember they had a Korean barbecue taco.

Oh, was it good? No. No. This is what I'm getting at. And Tommy Taco is lovely. Their dream fries are fantastic. I don't think it's there anymore. It's probably not.

But anyways, their Korean taco is literally their carne asada taco with this like goopy teriyaki sauce on it and then cabbage. And that was it. And I remember talking to people and I was like, yo, I had that Korean taco. It was kind of bum and they're like, oh my God, I love that. People just like sugar. That's what people find out. Sugar meat.

People just like sugar. That's what people find out. Sugar meat. People just like sugar meat. Yeah. And so any sort of like Korean fusion taco, it's not people making like, you know, sundubu or like any like, you know, gamjatang Korean taco. No, it's just something covered in sweet soy and spicy. And so I think with wings,

I think this isn't even like, you know, drums versus flats sort of thing. I think you could just serve anyone any fried meat covered in sauce and they would be as happy as they are. I concur. Well, Bonesucker, we've heard what you and I have to say. Now it's time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling around there in the Twitterverse.

It's time for a segment we call Opinions Are Like Casserole. opinions are like casserole at emilyann11 adding soy or fish sauce to a beaten egg and then frying it is the best way to eat an egg i don't know about best because there's like a lot of great ways to eat an egg but i will say that adding soy sauce to an egg and scrambling it is freaking delicious that's something i was doing during quarantine when i was just like bored with my daily eggs. And I started putting soy sauce in there. Really freaking fantastic. Never done fish sauce, but that is really interesting. I love this. I think this is a great opinion. I value your opinion. You have good opinions. Yeah. Sometimes I like to do soy sauce,

a little bit of sesame oil and some sugar, and then it's kind of like a bootleg tamagoyaki. Yum. That sounds really good. Tamagoyaki is yummy. Okay. Tap. Okay, let me just read this. Tap. I think it's tapir freunde.

Okay. I think it literally means friend of tapirs. You know tapir, the animal? It's like related to an anteater? Yeah. Tapir. Okay. Okay.

Tapir friend says Nutella and cheese together on a sandwich is nice. No. No. Nutella and cream cheese. Great. Classic Jewish food we used to eat all the time. You used to eat Jew Nutella? Jutella?

Of course I would. We never grew up eating Nutella. Oh, my God. Jutella was like the story of it. I hated it. To this day, I hate Jutella, but I love Nutella. And no, this is not a good mix up. It sounds gross.

It depends what kind of cheese we're talking about. If we're talking about a slice of cheddar, I don't think I'm down. What kind? What kind of sliced cheese? Cream. No cream cheese. Josh, but they're not talking about cream cheese. Even like a slice of, no.

You know they're not talking about cream cheese right now. I think chocolate and a lot of things doesn't go together as well as people think. Even like chocolate and bacon, I do not enjoy as a combo. It's never quite been my thing. And a lot of people think it would be my thing. It's like how everyone said that I'd love the show Archer. They're like, oh, Josh, you're kind of offensive to the senses. You would love Archer.

And I watched the show and I was like, I'm sorry. I don't love this. It's a fine show. I was like, I'm sorry, I don't love this. It's a fine show. I didn't enjoy it either. It's just not my thing. Nutella and cheese, not my thing. But tapir frinda, I hope that is your name. And I would like to hear the story behind it.

Not my thing, glad it's your thing. At Vigil Michael, people need to differentiate beef jerky and carne seca. Jerky equals mediocre moist. Seca equals superior. I know exactly what they're talking about. And this is... Never had it. This is a new sort of...

This is a new development in the jerky world. Okay, cool. This idea of wet jerkies, right? You buy so many different jerkies. Crave is the one that I'm thinking of right now. Crave is my favorite. It is freaking delicious. But right, it's like, it's moist.

It's so moist. It's almost a juicy jerky. It's juicy jerky. It's pliable. Yeah, but shout out to the dudes from Righteous Felon Beef Jerky. They and I ended up on some weird sponsored Arby's trip when I was like 21 years old. But they're these like craft beef jerky makers. And I remember talking to them and I was like, yo, have you guys had Crave Jerky?

I love Crave Jerky. And they're just like, screw Crave, man. I was like, why? He's like, they're just literally watering down jerky. And I was like, what do you mean? And they're like, literally the mark of a good jerky, like the reason jerky exists is to preserve, right? Absolutely. The mark of a good jerky should be its dryness. Like if you're just adding salt water to that, then you're paying for that salt water instead of meat. And it's like not preserving it. You're

having to add other preservatives to it. And so this idea of these like wet bagged jerkies out there it's a relatively new thing that the market just demanded i demanded it because i love a nice tender wet crave they got that like turkey jerky with the maple and black pepper you've seen me stressing the bag of jerky before oh yeah more than once yeah so i i understand the love of carne seca carne carne seca is just literally kind of like mexican beef jerky i've never had carne seca. Carne seca is just literally kind of like Mexican beef jerky. I've never had carne seca, but I love beef jerky, so I guess I just got to try it. Well, yesterday in the office, to get a Postmates order to $15, we got ourselves a snack of Thai-style beef jerky.

That was good. Which I've always thought was kind of a funny way to phrase it because it's not beef jerky, right? No. It's kind of like fried hard and a little bit dried, but it's incredibly flavorful and supple, and you dip it in that little dried chili fish sauce i just love meat i love meat i'm just a carnivorous person what's your favorite animal that to jerk a beef beef i'm a beef jerk i'm a beef jerk woman i love jerking me some cuttlefish

oh i've jerked cuttlefish before i just uh korean cuttlefish jerky when i lived in korea town the cgv is a korean chain of theaters and that was the only theater in walking distance from me yeah and i used to like go alone when i didn't have a job fun employment at like 11 a.m and catch a korean matinee and just eat a whole bag of cuttlefish jerky to myself korean matinee yeah you watch korean movies yeah sometimes Do they have subtitles? Yeah, yeah. That's good. They didn't have American subtitles. There was one about the, like, I thought it was going to be like a kind of action feudal

warlord movie, but it was just about the invention of the Korean language. That's kind of cool. Yeah, it was okay. That's really cool. It was a little boring. It was like three hours, but I got to eat more cuttlefish jerky. Iko Lailia says, tomato sandwiches don't count without Duke's mayo. I've been seeing this tomato sandwich with Duke's mayo all over my feet for some reason.

What is going on? Am I missing something? We're missing Duke's mayo. Dude. What is Trevor doing right now? Cleaning out the fryer. He is cleaning out the fryer. After that, and Trevor does a lot more than just clean out the fryer and order us mayonnaise.

He really does a lot. Very valued member of the team. He's the best. However, get him to order us some dang Duke's mayo because we need to get that in here. Last time we tried to order Duke's, though, it got heated up in the shipping process and it curdled. Really? Yeah, we tried to get Duke's in here. Was I here when that happened?

I think it was before your time. Okay, well, we got to make sure it's a heat-sensitive product. I believe you on this Duke's mayo tomato sandwich. Yeah, I really want to try it because I can't stop seeing it on my feed. At Shark Kid, in my opinion, eating kiwi with the skin on is the best way to eat it. I literally said to you yesterday,

when's the last time you ate a kiwi? And you're like, never, I hate kiwis. I don't enjoy kiwis. I don't like textures like that. Like to me, the texture of kiwi seeds is like light bulb glass. That's a little dramatic. It's super dramatic, but it's the same reason that I don't like eating pomegranate seeds

where it just feels like I'm chewing on like sunflower kernels. You can spit out the arils. Some people do that, but I laugh at that. They're called arils? Yeah, pomegranate arils. I never heard that. I laugh at that. Sounds like a Pokemon.

You're a Pokemon. What? Don't take it back. No, you're a Pokemon. You're Snorlax. You're a Squirtle. Don't take it back. No, you're a Pokemon. You're Snorlax. You're a Squirtle. You look like Squirtle. What?

You eat skin on kiwi? No. I'm not even. I ate my banana skin on. Do you eat your chicken sandwich with the skin on? Once I went to Jack in the Box and they left like the wax paper underneath the cheese in the sandwich and i just ate like half of it before noticing i was just like i noticed that there was something off but i was kind of just like a typical jack in the box kind

of off right now and then i looked at it and i was like yo you ate a whole half sheet of wax paper oh weird poops okay uh cass Cassandra V. Gonzalez says, Raisins don't belong in cinnamon rolls. Yeah, I don't like that either. People do that? I guess. Oh. I mean, it's like, do you ever have bread pudding with raisins in it?

Yeah. I love bread pudding with raisins. But that's because it's like an old man dessert, and raisins are an old man food. And I'm an old man. Cinnamon rolls are for the youth. It's for the Gen Z. It's for an old man dessert and raisins are an old man food. And I'm an old man. Cinnamon rolls are for the youth. It's for the Gen Z. It's for the Zoomers.

You know what it is? I think that the raisins don't hydrate enough in cinnamon rolls. And people don't typically soak their raisins. A really, really good tip whenever you're cooking is to soak your dried fruit in like a little bit of hot water or brandy. And it makes it really, really more enjoyable. So if you soak your raisins in a little bit of brandy or hot water before you put it in your cinnamon roll dough, sure, that's fine. But just throwing in a handful of raisins is not going to – it's not good. Yeah, to me at that point it kind of becomes less of a cinnamon roll, more of like a breakfast bun.

Yeah. Right? Which is fine. Yeah. Which is fine. Dude, I made these dankety-dank rolls because they weren't cinnamon rolls, but it was like cinnamon roll style dough. What was in the middle? All that.

So I took a bunch of fresh mint and basil. Okay. And I like, I chopped it really fine. And then I made a paste using sugar as an abrasive with lemon zest. So it was mint, basil, lemon zest with the sugar rolled up and baked in these little rolls. And they were so freaking good.

Wow. Yeah, I think- Did the fresh herbs turn brown at all? No, they didn't. I thought they would, but they didn't think i think there's enough like acid in the lemon zest wow just like enough of that citrusness to like actually keep it fresh and green great that's awesome dude i love that where we got we got at wheelie tasty gastronomy casseroles are grandparents food old tired and outdated needs a makeover i initially was gonna push back because i was like grandparents food look i'm a i'm a man who likes a nice hearty casserole but do they need

a makeover yeah i think they need a rebrand and i think there's some people out there who are hitting the casserole rebrand really hard shout out to molly yay uh molly on the farm yeah she you know hot dish she is from uh minnesota border of minnesota and north dak, she, you know, hot dish. She is from Minnesota, border of Minnesota and North Dakota. And, you know, she reaches into her Chinese and Jewish and Midwest roots to really rebrand some of these casseroles

or hot dishes as the Minnesotans call them. Hot brown? Hot brown? Hot brown's a Kentucky sandwich. Oh, never mind. Okay. It's an open-faced sandwich.

So sorry. But anyway, so I think we do have people on the front lines making over casseroles, wheelie-t tasting gastronomy. You are correct. Yeah,

they're definitely old grandparent food. Again, I just told you I'm an old man. So I think casseroles are great, but I do agree

that Molly A and her hot dish vernacular is doing good for the food world. Okay, Carly Bridget V says mustard

is a highly overrated condiment. No, it's not. Let me tell you what happened. Your taste buds are going to change in like a few years, okay? This is what happened to me. I hated mustard with every fiber of my being. I was like, ugh, who eats that yellow crap?

That's disgusting. Ew. And then I had a little bit of Dijon on a hot dog, and I was like, holy cannoli, where have you been all my life, you beautiful condiment? Your taste buds are going to change, Carly. Your body is going through changes right now. Are you there, God?

It's me, Margaret. Yeah, it's just, your taste buds are going to mature. They're going to change. It like, ebbs and flows, you know? You taste new things.

You start liking new things. You start hating new things. I don't think I'm a mustard stan and I do think mustard stans are out there, but like, boy, do I sure enjoy a good mustard. Like even just a just golden spicy brown, like the one that you get from the Costco on the Costco hot dogs. What a lovely mustard. Just a nice German sausage dipped in mustard. I think mustard is one of those kind of miracle foods that like, it's just like a flower, right? It's a seed. Yeah.

It's just like a flour, right? It's a seed, yeah. Well, it's like the seed of a mustard flour or whatever. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And then you just like grind it and mix it with some stuff. But from that, it has created just thousands of varieties across so many different cultures. So I think mustard is kind of like one of those beautiful little miracle foods that pops up everywhere. Yeah, I respect mustard. You know what I love?

Russian mustard. What's Russian mustard? Oh, my gosh. Is it purple? No, no, no. Why would it be purple? I don't know. I don't know. I thought of borscht. You associate Russia it purple? No, no, no. Why would it be purple? I don't know. I don't know.

I thought of borscht. You associate Russia with purple? Yeah, because borscht. No, no, no. Russians eat beets. It's almost exactly like Chinese hot mustard, except it's like a little bit lighter in color. And my dad loves that crap. He just takes a piece of bread and dips it in.

And he's like. Yeah. And like he. And like it's so horseradish-y. Yeah. And like he like opens his mouth as he chews it. He's like. You gotta let the air flow through the nasal cavity.

And it's, I love it. And like a little dollop in like a soup. Wow. My mouth just started watering thinking about Philippe's hot mustard. Oh, I love it. The original. Wow. I haven't been to Philippe's in maybe four years.

Yeah, I haven't been since the pandemic started. But before that I went recently and recently and God, is it good. That is one of those OG restaurants that will hold up. What a cool place. And I've had it against Kohl's, against the other places that say they invented the friendship.

Oh my God, Philips. There's so much craft and attention and flavor in that sandwich. And the hot mustard. Woo! Fire. No, mustard ain't no overrated.

At the Sarah Hawk, lemonade that isn't tart is just lemon sugar water. Correct. Well, lemon sugar water. Correct. Well, lemon sugar water is lemonade. Correct. So this is a little bit semantically confusing for me, but I will say when Gatorade came out,

I know what you mean about just like watered down kind of lemonade that doesn't have that really tart punch. Totally agree. It's kind of booty. But when Gatorade came out with their organic lemon lime version. Never have I ever had that. So I was just very curious because I looked at the ingredients label, agree it's kind of booty but when Gatorade came out with their organic lemon lime version never have I ever had that so I I was just very curious because I looked at the ingredients label like

what the hell are they gonna put without all this you know like rival flavor and stuff in it and it was what when I realized that Gatorade is just salty watered down lemonade that's all it is that's all it is that's all it is because like it just has you know a little bit of sweetener a little bit of lemon juice or flavor and then electrolytes are basically just salt. Yes. And so it's just watered down salty lemonade. And I was like, we've been scammed the whole time. I agree with this statement.

Lemonade that isn't tart is just lemon sugar water. Yes. Agreed. BRODG says, the Taco Bell cinnamon twists are just cinnamon Cheetos. No, they're not. Okay, listen to me. I made Cheetos from scratch. Holy holy hell what a process that was there's no way on this planet earth that you can say a cinnamon twist is a cheeto yeah cinnamon twist is cinnamon cheeto of course

it's not josh came out with cinnamon cheetos and they were called sweetos and they were even a different like shape they almost looked more I've seen a sweeto before. Yeah, if you eat one, you're just like, oh, this is just bag cinnamon twists. No, Josh, no. Yeah, they're just puffed grain that's fried covered in cinnamon sugar. It's delicious.

I'm a bloated grain right now because I haven't gone bathroom. At Ava2343, Oreos dipped in orange juice is good? No, this to me is worse than toothpaste and orange juice. I would rather just make a toothpaste orange juice is good? No! This to me is worse than toothpaste and orange juice. I would rather just make a toothpaste orange juice shooter than have that like dark black

cocoa flavor with the acidity. To me that is, that's vomit taste. All I want to say is please brush your teeth. That's all I want to say about this. This just sounds like plaque. I know people who do that too. I know people who do that.. I know people who do that. I can feel the plaque growing on the back of my teeth.

Just the acid and the hydrogenated oils combining in your mouth. I can't. No, that's a bridge far for me. And I do some weird stuff with food. But that said, you know, I think what we've really learned here, Nicole, is live your life. Live your truth. Share your journey.

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you just suck the bones. I'm bone sucker. And I'm oral dexterity. Oh, I don't like this bit anymore.