All Fantasy Everything - 2023 Pop Culture (w/ Alison Herman, David Gborie, and Sean Jordan)

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is all fantasy everything. The podcast where we fantasy draft anything and everything from the world of pop culture. On today's episode, we are drafting the year in pop culture from 2023, an annual tradition like no other, with one of our favorite guests, TV critic at Variety, Alison Herman. I'm your host, Ian Carmel, and with me as always are my friends and comedians, Sean Jordan and David Borey. Let's get into it. Welcome to All Fantasy Everything. A podcast where we are looking back on the year in pop culture in 2023 and fantasy drafting it. One by one.

Four people. Five picks each. Five rounds. You wouldn't think I'd be nervous about that, but I am. 2023 and fantasy drafting it one by one, four people, five picks each five rounds. You wouldn't think I'd be nervous about that, but I am. This is how many years have we done this in a row now? Did we start more than five? I think when was the fucking eclipse? When was the eclipse?

That's a real easy way to find out. I'm pretty sure that was the first time, right? I didn't remember it the year you picked it. I'm telling you, man, I've, right? I didn't remember it the year you picked it. I'm telling you, man. I've never believed in religion until that happened. I was like, man, it's big out there. I don't know.

Anyway, yeah, that year. So 2018? I think it was 2016 because it was when I went to the head gum. Okay. Super producer Isaac Lee is telling us it is 2017. 2017. That makes sense. Big year. Wait. Nope.

He's correcting himself in real time. This is exciting. Most podcasts would edit this kind of thing out. Allison was right. It is 2016. As I often am. Allison was right. So this is the seventh one? Damn. Yeah, that's right. This is

the seventh annual Pop Culture Fantasy Draft. All of them with Allison Damn. Yeah, that's right. This is the seventh annual Pop Culture Fantasy Draft. All of them with Alison Herman. Yeah, that's rad. That rules, dude. Sean Jordan, in years past, you have taken the Eclipse. Which is Pop Culture. It's our eighth.

Oh, because we do. All right, Isaac, chime in. Is the Eclipse Pop Culture? I don't think we've ever got your opinion on this. My opinion on whether the solar eclipse is popular culture. Was a pop culture moment. That is the exact right tone. Was a pop culture moment. I don't believe so.

Popular in the culture. Was it popular to talk about the eclipse? I think it was famous. It was more than science. Who did I pick? I forgot the dude's name the dickhead politician i should narrow it down a little more huh i can't keep up with all your terrible picks man that's not my job you think i don't have enough on my plate it's part of your job you i'm also confused man i just picked some stuff that was big to me a lot of personal no no no no you remember that stuff that roy big to me. A lot of personal stuff. No, no, no. Don't you remember that

Roy? Yeah, he rode a horse. He was an old Alabama senator or something. You've tried to take an eclipse and was he a pedophile or something? Whoa, whoa, whoa, all that.

I don't know about all that. I can't. Allegedly. Allegedly, right? That's who shot me? I'm sticking up for him. whoa, whoa. All that. I don't know about all that. I can't. Allegedly. Allegedly, right? That's who shot me? I'm sticking up for him. Yeah. No, I can't remember. I just remember it was a political pick. I picked a science pick and a political pick and a pop culture pick. It's complicated. Last year, it was Elon taking

over Twitter, which I defend as a pop culture event. Of course that's pop culture. I don't think that's a good pick. Of course it is. I don't think the eclipse is a good pick, and I will stand by that. You were clear about that. Nine, ten years in a row.

We covered that. And it's been covered. David, you're getting a Red Bull. I like it. I might go get a Red Bull today. Yeah, I got up really early. Strap on the horns, man. We are recording this on December 29th,

just so everyone knows. In years past, we've done this earlier in December. And this year, I think we've showed great restraint and waited until pretty much the end of the year. If something comes out in the next two days, we're sorry. If somebody surprise drops an album

or surprise drops a movie. Does that ever happen? Surprise drops a movie? That'd be a weird idea. I just gotta say, this was such a crazy overstuffed year. I felt like Homer Simpson eating the donuts. Like I saw my last movie. I still have movies that I would like to see that came out this year.

But I saw my last movie that I like seriously wanted to take under consideration like 36 hours ago. Yeah. Down to the wire. I saw the last best movie I saw this year on the plane, like coming home yesterday. I am behind. I got, I got some TV tackled this year though. Cause it's easier.

The, the, with the child thing, it's easier to like an episode of TV night. So I did, I think I did well on the TV. So I'm excited to talk about that. I don't feel like I did well on TV or I did. I feel like this was my least pop culture year or it was real niche. The stuff I was.

There we go. That's fine. Don't take any of the big picks. Leave all the big ones for the dumb guy. I'm sure we'll talk about some of the demarcations in the year later that happened in pop culture, but I do feel very like when I was researching this, I was like, oh my God, that was this year? Because things that happened before a certain event in the industry were like, where I feel like they were forever ago. Yeah, there was one event

that lasted a long time. Anyways. Well, let's get into it. Let's meet our drafters here. Sean Jordan, Sean S. Jordan on Twitter, Sean Cougar, Melon Jordan on Instagram, Sean DeRode, anyways well let's get into it let's meet our drafters here sean jordan sean s jordan on twitter sean cougar mel and jordan on instagram sean derode doing stand-up comedy shonda rhymes releasing uh another rap song man i hope so about dad's stuff i'm trying to come started what's right and it's being written sean's got a cover that i've seen for his stand-up comedy special on album which looks fantastic

yeah subscribe to the go to the YouTube channel Sean Jordan comedian just hit smash that subscribe button bro just go smash it I don't ask for much I try not to subscribe to Sean's YouTube channel Gary Owens comedy yeah

I didn't expect that. Yeah, I do that. Special will be out. People call Sean the white Gary Owens. He's the white. Please do. We also call him the white Gary Payton. We also call him the white Gary Payton for different reasons.

He loves gloves. The white glove, dude. He's the Jewish Gary Goldman. He's the white Gary Owens. Did you say the white glove I'm giving him the white glove treatment I got sports on my list oh yeah

also I will be tonight at Healing Comedy Club with the Sklar brothers if you do not know who they are they are amazing Randy and Jason Sklar they're're fantastic. It's a highly recommended show. I've been a fan of them since before I even started stand-up. They were some of the people that I think subconsciously got me into stand-up. So I'm opening for them tonight at Healing Comedy Club. So make sure you come down and check that out. Please say what's up after the show if you do.

So excited to chill and I want you to see him so bad. Also, we just got our ticket link finally for All Fantasy Everything at the Podfort at Tree Fork Music Festival. It is in Boise, and it is going to be on March 21st, 7 p.m. We got doors at 7. There's a ticket link up. I'll put it on my

socials, but it's at the Egyptian Theater. We're stoked. It's going to be awesome. So yeah, Boise. If you're in town, get your tickets for that and we'll see you then. Also, sign up for the Patreon. It ain't that much. Two trips to Starbucks and you're getting hundreds of extra episodes.

Are you pushing the AFE Patreon right now? Yeah. How about it? All right. Yeah. Bonus episodes, auction drafts, mailbags. I don't have too much on the road. You know, I'm just kind of chilling. I love it. After, like, we're doing Phoenix and Boise and stuff,

but I don't have any, like, dates out there. Well, David Borey, my coolguyjokes77 on Instagram. Where can people see you, David? This is coming out soon, right? Yeah, when does this come out? Next week, Zeke? Yeah, next week. Oh, then go to Snow Jam.

Go to Snow Jam in the middle of January sorry if you're in Sioux Falls January 4th I believe is the date oh okay yeah I got some stuff in January January 5th and 6th you can see me at the Denver Comedy Lounge January 12th and 13th you can see me at Hilarities

in Cleveland January 22nd through the 26th, I will be partaking in the Eric Andre and Practical Jokers cruise, if you're interested in that thing. January

26th, I mean, yeah, you know, that's your, you want to go on a cruise to the Bahamas, where I probably will not talk to you. January 26th and 27th, I'm doing the Capitol Hill Comedy Bar in Seattle, Washington. All those, that's January. We'll worry about, oh, well, February 3rd. Phoenix, baby.

Is that Phoenix? February 3rd. First through the 3rd. So the next weekend is Phoenix. And, you know, also, I don't know the Boise date because my calendar is not open but we're out everybody's out let's go to the pool when we're in Phoenix

yeah done say no more yeah Allison Herman is here A Herman 2006 on X on X gonna give it to you what are you on Instagram on X. On X. Gonna give it to you. He insists on calling it X.

What do you want on Instagram? Is it also A. Herman? Do you want people to even follow you on Instagram? What are we pushing here? I have unified branding across all platforms. Like the true digital creator I am.

Yeah, follow me on X. Follow me on Blue Sky. Follow me on Threads. All the various X competitors that don't seem to be taking off, but we're all staking out our territory anyway. Ja Rule. Who else was the DMX competitor?

I think Ja was the biggest one. Big Ja Rule. Yeah, follow Allison on Ja Rule. Where, what? I really just shut down your momentum, man. With my little Ja Rule joke, joke Allison I'm sorry about that it's all worth it TV critic of variety

is there anything you'd like to point people towards that you worked on this year that you're especially proud of that there's the 100 greatest television shows of all time that you helped contribute to anything that you agree with on that list I was responsible for all time that you helped. Yes. Anything that you agree with on that list, I was responsible for. And anything that you don't agree with was one of my colleagues.

So thank you. And you're welcome. But I haven't looked at the list, but Entourage is where? Entourage got barely edged out for number one by I Love Lucy. It was tough putting it above The Sopranos and The Wire, but you just have to respect quality where you see it. Understandable. I Love Lucy, Entourage, The Late Late Show of James Corden, and then The Sopranos, I think was the top.

Was your top billing right there. Yes, and of course you had no input on the late night rankings. It was like Corden, Late Night with Letterman, Daily Show with Jon Stewart. It's obvious where we have to put these. But yeah, I'm at Variety now. I exclusively answer to Hollywood Allison. Thank you for coordinating with my team of three assistants to get me on this podcast.

We had to go to so many different sweet greens just to get a hold of them. It was crazy. A lot of meetings. A lot of sit-downs. Oh, yeah. A lot of afternoons at Sugarfish. They had to put down their bags of harvest bowls to input in the Outlook calendar. It was tough, but we got it done. We really had to loop back in a bunch to get this done. So many water bottles were exchanged over so many conference room tables.

Little ones. Smaller and smaller each meeting, just until they were, and you could barely see them. They were like on the atomic level water bottles. We had to surprise people at Diptyque who were buying candles en masse. It was a very Hollywood

weekend. It was fun. But after all that, you can read my regular reviews. I recently wrote a tribute to Andre Brouwer. That was fun. you know, I mean as fun as one can get when memorializing a legend who has gone too soon

I wrote a farewell piece about Succession, a television program I'm sure will not be mentioned in the remainder of this podcast but yeah, just find my stuff at Variety, everyone's favorite trade publication

Fantastic, find your stuff at Variety, everyone's favorite trade publication. Fantastic. Find her stuff at Variety, or you can find her wearing Balenciaga X Erewhon in line at Erewhon for a $18 Kylie Jenner lip kit smoothie. How dare you? I am exclusively a Hailey Bieber strawberry glazed donut aficionado. Give me a Kylie product, I will spit it out. It's Team Haley over here.

My name is Ian Carmel at Ian Carmel on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube. I think I have a thread. You can find me everywhere. Ian with an I, Carmel with a K. Is there an Ian with an E? Yeah, dude. It's not as phonetic an Ian with an E? Yeah, dude. It's not as phonetic as it's not E-E-E.

It's not E dot N dot. It's I-A-N. You can find me on the road tonight in New York City at the City Winery with Shane Torres, Josh Gondelman, and Emmy Blotnick. You can find me tomorrow night at the City Winery in Philadelphia

with Pat House. And you can see me tomorrow night At the City Winery in Philadelphia With Pat House And you can see me The 6th Pat, hell yeah You right dude Burning down Pat House If you go to that show, say that to him after the show And he'll laugh

He'll enjoy it I'll be in Boston on the 6th Also at City Winery I don't know who else on that show yet But it's going to be fun. Ben Affleck from the town, dude. It's going to be Ben Affleck from the town, dude. It's going to be Donnie Wahlberg. Of Wahlburgers?

Of Wahlburgers. It's going to be Donnie Wahlberg of the Sixth Sense. It's going to be weird, Donnie. I know our politics don't line up, but he is a Boston legend. Kurt Schilling is going to be there just pitching, actually. Not even doing stand-up. Weirdly enough, Doug Flutie somehow you got? Yeah. Boston College hero Doug Fl Schilling is going to be there just pitching, actually, not even doing stand-up. Weirdly enough, Doug Flutie somehow you got.

Yeah, Boston College hero, Doug Flutie is going to be on stage with me. It's going to be great. It's going to be a hell of a show. Roger Clemens, was he a Red Sox? The Rocket?

Absolutely, yeah. Also the DJ from House of Pain? I've heard. Yeah, the DJ from House of Pain. Aerosmith? All of them. Steven Tyler's scarf-covered microphone is going to be opening for me in Boston.

Half a new edition? You really did it. You really did it. Just the good half. If half a new edition shows up, you got to let them headline. Of course. But if all of new editions show up... Depends on the half. It does depend on the half. It's like Bobby and Mike. I don't know.

I'm a Ralph Tresvant guy. Anyways. What? I love Ralph. January 19th and 20th, I will be at Hyena's in Fort Worth. You can see it's in Phoenix, as we've already discussed. I will be at Zaney's in Chicago on February 18th. It's my brother's birthday.

I'm doing a David's brother's birthday tribute show at Zany's I'll be excited March 8th and 9th you can see me at Sports Drink in New Orleans, Louisiana potentially with someone else on the Zoom right now pretty sure the queen signed off so we're just

Ian and I are crossing the I's and dotting the T's no we're not we're crossing the T's and dotting the T's. No, no, we're not. We're crossing the T's and dotting the I's. That's right. Uh, stop that. Flip it. Reverse it. So many dates.

March 13th through the 16th. I will be at the punchline in San Francisco. And then March 23rd, I am recording my hour special to me as we're calling it at revolution hall in Portland, Oregon. Come see that. So we can draft it next year. Everyone's going to that, bro. See, draft it next year. Everyone's going to that, bro. See how it works. Everyone's going to that.

Everyone. 800 Portlandians are going. We will. I think 800 Portlandians are going and hopefully some people even from Vancouver, Washington. All of us can draft my comedy special next year. Oh, of course. And also my book, T-Shirt Swim Club.

If you can pre-order it right now, pre-orders help so much. It's a book about being fat, a bunch of comedic essays. I write a book going to the doctor. I write about fat bastard. I write about being on the Late Late Show and talking about Bill Maher. I write about middle school gym class. I write about everything. And then my little sister comes in who is a, I call her my little sister. She's a doctor. She writes about everything from a psychologist perspective right after.

So pre-order that. You can find all those links on my Twitter, my Instagram, or anywhere books are sold. Now, we're not here to talk about my fabulous book and how much pre-orders help with the publisher's decision to push that book and how bad I am at TikTok, which is the other big way to sell books. You're great at TikTok and I will hear nothing else. All right. We are gathered here not to talk about T-shirt swim club.

That's next year. We are gathered here, however, to talk about the year in pop Swim Club. That's next year. We are gathered here, however, to talk about the year in pop culture in 2023 and to fantasy draft it. Now, the way we determine the order of that draft is with a rollicking game of rock, paper, scissors

played between the three of you, and we throw on shoot. Here we go. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Ooh, three different ways. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, Allison wins Scissors against two rocks It's an unnatural victory, but a victory all the same

Now, Allison, as the winner of rock, paper, scissors It is incumbent upon you to determine the order of today's draft But before you do that, I will remind you It is a serpentine draft A serpentine draft, a concept that I was introduced to By this very podcast Eight years ago Eight historic years ago So I A serpentine draft, a concept that I was introduced to by this very podcast. Eight years ago.

Eight historic years ago. So I, in keeping with tradition, will just go by the order of faces on my Zoom screen to keep things nice and logical for me personally. So I will go me in the upper right corner, then David, then Ian, then Sean, and then Isaac will just be a spectral presence. Hovering over the entire podcast, Isaac. That's my preferred role, really. Spectral presence. Spectral

presence. That's what you should call me from now on. We're going to call you tasteful nudes. Spectral presence. Red leather pussy destroyer. Destroyer. Allison, Isaac got a Alfa Romeo with red leather pussy destroyer. Of course. Allison, Isaac got a alpha Romeo with red leather seats on the inside.

And previous guest Blair Saki decided to start calling Isaac red leather pussy destroyer. Just so you're aware. You know, I was aware of the alpha Romeo. I was not aware of the red leather seats. And it is just transforming my entire vision of Isaac as a person.

I just imagine, like you guys live pretty close to each other. I imagine that you see him driving the Alfa Romeo 7, 8, 19 times a day just up and down. We're not allowed on the roads that he drives on. Well, I see an Alfa Romeo and in my head I'm like

that must be some master of the universe I've never encountered in my life. But apparently it's an Isaac this whole time. Spectral presence. Spectral K presence. Spectral K presence with a Gucci belt buckle and two bottles of wine strapped in the front seat. Seatbelt

on. Well, you gotta be responsible. That is correct. Responsible. Alfa Romeo owner. I was waiting for a response. We have skipped Sean's description of the Serpentine Draft, and I say it's high time. It's high time for it. Basically, if you pick fourth in the first round,

you pick first in the second round. That order is Allison, David, Ian, Sean. Sean, did you have a really good one? No. I was gonna say it's like putting up Christmas lights. Back and forth. I'm sure I've done it say it's like putting on Christmas lights. You know, like back and forth. I'm sure I've done it. I feel like you've done it this month.

I haven't. No, I haven't. I know I haven't done it this year, but I'm sure that I've done it. But, you know, back and forth. Who needs to talk about it? We've already, it's been explained. The order of the draft is Alice and David. Ian, Sean, I'm right there in the middle.

Uncomfortable. I know. I'm nervous about this too. I did not want the back to back. Yeah, me either, I'm right there in the middle. Uncomfortable. I know. I'm nervous about this too. I did not want the back-to-back. Yeah, me either. This is... I'm sweating it. You already have so much pressure on you. Yeah. And now we just get to stare at you for two picks in a row. It's almost

come full circle because now it's like I can't, you know, I can blow it and it's fine because it's expected. So now if I just do better than blowing it, that's okay. Not like before where if you blew it, you were subject to the whims of the judicial system. Yeah, but it's the J-E-W-ish-al system. The judicial system, which is me criticizing you.

I didn't like it when I said it. I didn't like it at all. That's all right. Thanks, man. It's never been a less delicate time to talk about Judaism. Is there something going on with that? No, not at all. Nothing.

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Thank you. Yeah, if you like podcasts, thanks. Thank you for listening. Yeah, we did. Allison, you have the first pick in the 2023 Year in Pop Culture draft. What will that pick be? I am very glad I have the first pick because there's one thing I wanted

to make sure I had on my list of 2023 pop culture events. I love you all dearly as friends, but this is a podcast about fantasy drafting. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to win this fake, arbitrary contest, and therefore, my first pick

is Barbenheimer. Oh! I thought that, okay. There are some heavy hitters. Because you get two picks with that one. I did not make a drop the bomb pun that I could have. But I'm just invoking it before I go on to discuss the cinematic event of the season. Yeah, obviously, Barbie and Oppenheimer dropped the same day.

One is a children's movie about a doll directed by Greta Gerwig. The other is a three-hour biopic of a nuclear physicist directed by Christopher Nolan. I was very excited for both these films independently. I honestly had no idea that anyone except for like five losers on film Twitter, myself included, was like also delighted by this juxtaposition. And then I remember like,

because I'm a weirdo who pays attention to these things, the tracking, like a few weeks out for Oppenheimer, I remember being like $45 million for the opening weekend. And I was like, $45 million for the opening weekend. And I was like, damn, that's pretty good for, again,

a three-hour biopic about nuclear physics and apparently niche schisms in the Jewish community, which we can talk about. Let's open it up. And then I went to the AMC Burbank 16 on July 22nd. I love that theater. Bought my tickets three weeks in advance and then had done the meticulous planning.

I was going to do like the full double feature. My butt was going to be glued to a seat for eight hours straight, including previews. And then the fire alarm went off during the previews of Oppenheimer. Freestyling in the lobby. Evacuating en masse.

I did spend several hours after the edible kicked in sniffing some candles in Cosplus World Market. That's not a bad place to be stuck when you're selling to them, actually. That's what I'm saying. There's a Pinkberry there. There used to be a Fuddruckers there. There's a mall. That place rules.

Did you at cost plus, did you get any international candies? Another thing we call Isaac Lee. In a call back to a recent episode of yours, I did in fact get a bar of Tony's chocolate only. Ben and Jerry's collab. Absolutely. So I think we made the most of it.

Also, we did go back for Barbie, but they had turned off the AC in the theater while they had evacuated it. So we just sat in a sauna and only around I'm Just Ken did the temperature reach a livable level, but it was all worth it.

We suffered for the cause and I did eventually see Oppenheimer at the TCL Chinese Theater in Hollywood, another great place to see a movie. But I really love both movies. I thought they were so good at doing what they wanted to do, and then just the experience of having everyone so excited to see those movies in tandem as different as they are,

to watch them boost each other, to see theaters like that full after the last couple years, to see all the memes. It was just like, I loved both experiences independently and I loved the weird, like, meme-turned-real-life mass expenditure of money that they became. It's amazing it broke the letterbox

containment. Because it did seem like at first it was like this juxtaposition was just going to be fun for that. And then it was like everybody, everybody was excited about these two things coming out at the same time. And they were amazing that they were both able to succeed. The fact that a three hour movie about the atomic bomb was commercially viable

and the fact that a movie, like a corporate tie-in movie about a doll was amazing. The fact that they were both able to pull that off seems impossible. I am so happy that I went to Oppenheimer with my mother who fell asleep because I got so lost so quick. And then when she woke up, I was like, yeah, no, I got it. I totally understood the whole thing. I liked it a lot. Through the bomb? She slept through most of it. I could hear her snoring through most of it. And I was like, okay. So, and then I got lost so quick in Oppenheimer, but I liked it. It was visually fun and I can recognize when somebody is doing a

really good job at acting, but they were just bounced around so much. Barbie, on the other hand, right down Main Street for your boy. I really did not lose it. I'm the opposite. I didn't see Barbie in the theaters, though. I saw it when I was at home. Fell asleep at Barbie, wide awake

for Oppenheimer, but that's because I saw it early because I know that I'm usually prone to falling asleep in movies. I saw it early in the day. I made that choice. It was great. And I watched Barbie twice.

So I got through it. Yeah. I like Noah. I have not rewatched Barbie and I'm like kind of afraid to experience that movie. Not surrounded by 400 people wearing pink jumpsuits. There's just an elation that was in the room. We'll get you 400 people with pink jumpsuits.

You want to watch it at home with 400 pink jumpsuits? We'll watch it on the AFP live show. Yeah. We'll get to Alfa Romeo. Just invite me to sit on stage so I can just look at the movie at the same time as everyone else. sit on stage so I can just look at the movie at the same time as everyone else. Yeah, I mean, the whole audience was just like

on laughing gas that entire time. Possibly because we'd all just been evacuated from the theater and milling around for four hours. When do you think that the studios figured out they were coming out on the same day? How long before them coming out?

I can answer some of this. It was not on purpose. So I'm just going to plug Variety. We had actors on actors. That was literal Barbenheimer. It was Margot Robbie talking to Cillian Murphy. And she was the producer of Barbie. She was involved before Greta Gerwig or Ryan Gosling.

She kind of put all of it together. And she was saying, I got a call from a Universal executive being like, hey, we have the same date. You should move your date. And she was like, you should move your date. And then neither of them did. And then, again, it was just such a

cool thing of like, they weren't competing against each other. I think certainly in Oppenheimer's case it seems objectively true it helped both movies right yeah I mean there was some survey that came out that was like 5-10% of

Oppenheimer's box office was people who could not get into Barbie and were just like fine I'll go see the other movie that's clearly exactly the same as Barbie yeah I wonder if anybody did go in like like, fine, I'll go see the other movie that's clearly exactly the same as Barbie. Yeah. I wonder if anybody did go in like, movie's a movie, whatever.

It's still going to be fun. I don't know if this is a rumor or if the internet came up with this. Isn't that Christopher Nolan's release date? July 21st is when he likes to release his movies, right? That's his... He did not move that release date for the novel coronavirus so he was not going to move it for barbie which i respect but also like i can understand like barbie's conceived as like a mostly kid and young women's movie yeah like you would i think you would be fine and it was just like oh no this is actually going to

fuse and become something that is bigger than either movie independently and no one had a history he used to put his movies out with Warner Brothers and then he left Warner Brothers in a huff in a huff right there was some part of this where people were saying

this is part of his feud with Warner Brothers. Or that Warner Brothers put out Barbie on his release date as kind of a fuck you to Christopher Nolan. Do you think there's any truth to that? Or do you just think this is like a good release date for a summer movie? I think it's a good narrative. I just think like if you're in the scheduling department at Warner Brothers, you're not, you know, you you're five degrees removed from the guy who pissed off Christopher Nolan. And they also switched out heads of the studio.

But again, it's a great narrative. But I also thought no one would be paying attention to that except for weirdos like me. And then it became something that someone going to a multiplex in Duluth Minnesota might actually be like did you know like this is traditionally Christopher Nolan's date and Greta Gerwig star of Francis Ha is intruding now that was a movie yeah it's amazing that also they were able to like where the movies themselves became the thing driving the promotion. Because again, it happened during a labor stoppage where the big, bright, shiny faces in those movies couldn't go out there and promote them. So the fact the movie's very existence became the promotional tool itself, which was like especially helpful during all this.

Because I think like Greta Gerwig could go out and promote them because the DGA settled but also she's in SAG so maybe she shouldn't have that seems like a conflict of interest I think it's a conflict of interest but even still they didn't need to like the movie just latched onto it and promoted the whole thing yeah like more it was the most popular thing

yeah that's what I'm saying it had to help I will say as a rewatch Barbie, still great. We threw it on the other day because like now Max, their entire thing is like we have Barbie. They mapped out the whole it's like add-ons and shit.

It's wild. It's Greta Gerwig watch. Yes. Which is funny. The idea of someone going and watching Mon Uncle because they liked Barbie is very for like the umbrella of someone going and watching Mon Uncle because they liked Barbie is very for like the umbrella shareboard like playtime like Jacques Tati sure

maybe they would maybe it probably will be like in you know entry to a lot of those films but some younger people but the jokes are just you pick up even more stuff just also you're reminded of how fun, like the musical drops in it between the Matchbox 20 and the Indigo Girls,

like closer to fine. And then Push, like just those two things alone are just so funny. I'm just Ken and Push both slay at karaoke. I'm just going to put that out there for everyone. You're welcome. Immediate, immediate pantheon karaoke songs. Did you like both the movies?

Did you like Oppenheimer? I liked both of them. I thought Barbie was, like, it's trying to do so many things, and, like, do I think it, like, absolutely, perfectly makes a statement about, like, feminism and toxic masculinity and, like, self-actualization? Like,

maybe not, but it just, again, has so... I think the thing that I love the most about it is when you think of a $145 million IP movie, it looks like garbage. 95% of the stuff that is produced at that level is just a CGI screensaver with Ezra Miller's head on a tennis pole. And the fact that she

did this and had like practical effects and real backgrounds and like legible homages to like as you said like classical Hollywood musicals French New Wave stuff and it didn't feel pretentious it just felt

like oh this is a real movie. And some people will watch this and use it as a gateway, but some people will just have a nice time and not have to suffer through three hours of totally illegible nonsense. So I love that. Little Michael Cera thrown in there for you?

Who doesn't want a little Michael Cera? I've been missing the guy. Little Alan? Come on. Yeah, dude, give him to me. He's probably like the voice. I didn't do the double feature. My wife did the double feature. That's a lot of movie in one day. A lot of movie.

I was surprised that people were really pulling that off. She insisted I go see Barbie in theaters. I was like, I'm probably okay to wait or wait until the hype dies down a little bit, and I'm so happy. We went like the Monday to go see Barbie again. I wore a pink shirt. I got dressed up. I was so happy I went because I was reminded of how fun it is to watch a good comedy around other people. Oh yeah. I mean, it's like a comedy, same thing. The laugh,

it's infectious and you're in a good mood. People being in a good mood gets you in a better mood. So having seen them all, if you were to do the double feature, infectious and you're in a good mood people being in a good mood gets you in a better mood if you so having seen them all if you were to do the double feature what would you do first i think we had the right original plan i think oppenheimer first to like get a serious you know your attention span is at its peak yeah you know your eyes are just wide open you're like okay yeah down a little bit and then you and then you kind of like lighten up with Barbie. But like, you know, I had a great time seeing them both independently. I mean, even Oppenheimer,

I was like, it's a three hour biopic about a physicist, but I felt very immersed in it. I thought it was like a very different kind of movie than Chris Nolan usually makes. Like it's basically

an Aaron Sorkin movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I Aaron Sorkin movie. Yeah. That's why I got lost. I was waiting for the bomb to drop. I was waiting for the one part of Nolan that they threw in there. You got lost? Yeah. I'm exaggerating a little bit, but they just bounce around a lot.

You just really had to pay attention. I really had to pay attention. And it also was a lot of jargon for me, like a lot of political jargon where I was like, I know what they're getting at. But they didn't do like the billions version where they dumb it down for you real quick right after they say the complicated shit.

They just kept it complicated. So just had to pay attention as well. And then Benny Safdie saying everything in like an insane Hungarian accent that you just cannot decipher. Slathered in Miracle Whip in an insane Hungarian accent that you just cannot decipher. Slathered in Miracle Whip in an insane Hungarian accent.

That was one of those great, when you rewatch it and you can Wikipedia everyone like while you're watching it, that's like another fun rewatch where you

look stuff up and you're like, oh my God, these were like everyone involved in this movie were like some of the biggest and some of the most awful scientific minds

like of the time. Like wonderful, awful, all the things. There was the guy who invented the microwave and a guy who wanted who invented, you know, the neutron bomb,

like all that stuff. Two products I use equally. But they also treat, the fact that they're treating these like scientists like Matt Damon showing up in Thor, it's like, oh,

Niels Bohr is here. Like, crazy. Albert. Albert Einstein. Come help. Yeah. I still, I feel like such a... It's funny.

When Einstein was here, I was like, oh, that's Einstein. I felt this little thing where I'm like, oh my God, he's in a movie. It happens like that to me when they get like a... I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.

It was the actual personification of the, and that young man's name was Albert Einstein. Like you see, but you have to, you need to do that to tell the story of Oppenheimer, I guess. That's what's fun about a period. Also, someone like me, I just keep calling myself stupid. But I always think of Albert Einstein being like hundreds of years ago. I don't know why, but I just, I feel like it was so long ago and it wasn't that long ago same thing with picasso it always feels like that was like in the in the dark ages or something you're thinking of bingo who also wasn't that long ago i said what i said okay i think that was a little bit longer

ago i feel like picasso is a long time ago too, Sean. Didn't Picasso use a phone, right? Isn't that the whole thing? Like Picasso was alive when phones were around? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You're talking like the 20s. Yeah. I always think of Picasso as being like the 1600s or something. Picasso died in 1973.

See, that to me is bananas. Wasn't Aerosmith, the aforementioned Aerosmith? Were they around by 73? Wait, hold on. Let me look. Picasso and Aerosanas Wasn't Aerosmith the aforementioned Aerosmith Were they around by 73 Picasso and Aerosmith Aerosmith was just starting out and Picasso was like A good last band I got to hear I'd like to think

That's what he thought for sure He was like man A lot of accomplishments But like man that's Steven Tyler Dude this is Sean. This is amazing. So Dream On was originally released as a single in 1973. Their first album came out January 5th, 1973. Pablo Picasso died October or April 8th, 1973.

So Picasso could have heard Aerosmith. Yes. See, tell me that's not crazy. Yes. All right. That's crazy. A guy from the 1600s could have heard Aerosmith. I think he thought the baton has been passed.

I did. He was like, I can rest. I changed the face of representational art. Yeah. And now this man's daughter will be in Lord of the Rings. That's what he was. Yep. He saw the dominoes falling.

He was like, this will, this will somehow end in Orlando Bloom, who is not yet born wearing a beautiful blonde wig with braids. Legolas. Legolas. I saw, speaking of going to grips with movies in a day, I saw all the director's cuts of L.O.T.R. in one day and it was sick. I'd do it again. I loved it.

You went to the theater to do it? Yeah. 16 hours of movie. God damn. it was sick. I'd do it again. I loved it. You went to the theater to do it? Yeah. 16 hours of movie. God damn. It was dope. Yeah. I ain't got it. Did you start at like 6 a.m.

or did you leave at 2 a.m.? 8 in the morning till midnight or something like that. It was all day with like half hour breaks. I mean, you seen him. I'd seen him. So I was like, I could leave for an hour or two if I wanted to. It was fun. Anyway, we're not talking about that.

What we are talking about is david boyd's first pick oh man yeah we're gone i know i gotta take it it's just like a first round talent i thought it was gonna be the first pick i don't even it's no surprise this is this is a little booie pick for me but the sheer magnitude of it you have to you have to acknowledge it I got to take the eras tour yeah and accompanying film will you say the eras tour clean again the eras tour right the eras tour do you like Taylor Swift I mean I'm ambivalent yeah but I'm not like her I don't dislike but like this was like it

it was everywhere all the time records constantly i mean when they came to den when she came to denver it was like all over the news our economy is boosted and then which uh where was it where they they tracked the sound on the richter scale. Which stop was that? Did you see that? Oh, I don't know. Maybe Seattle because they just had the equipment from Marshawn Lynch running. He was probably there too. He's my Taylor Swift.

No, it altered the economy or it affected the economy, right? That was a big thing about it. Taking the film straight to theater, all that stuff. It was just, you couldn't escape it all year, right? I feel like it was the biggest thing. It was the first tour to gross over a billion dollars.

And that was like at the halfway point. The film of the tour had the biggest opening for a concert film of all time. Yeah, I'm sure by far. I saw the film in theaters. I did not pay $800 in my firstborn child

to see her in person. I would have. I was just like... I'll keep the kit. I need to see... Because I'm in the same boat as you, David. I'm kind of ambivalent about her. I can respect her.

She's clearly a great songwriter and a great business person and just very savvy. And I just wanted to see the effect this was having on people and the totality of this three-hour concert of her entire career. And people were dancing in the aisles.

Really? And she dropped music during the tour? Dropped albums during the tour? It's just like a feat of entertainment, it feels like, right? It's a three and a half hour tour and she plays the entire time. Or three and a half hour concert, she plays the entire time. It's like a 46 song playlist. I am married to somebody who went to one of the first Las Vegas dates.

And it was like crazy about it. And then it was a whole, it was a pilgrimage. Her and one of her friends drove to Las Vegas dates and it was like crazy about it. And then like, it was a whole, like it was a pilgrimage. Her and one of her friends like drove to Las Vegas because they wanted to go see the concert before it came to Los Angeles. And it's, it's one of those things we don't really, I, I was going to say, we don't really have those in pop culture anymore, but we haven't really had those very often in the history of pop culture where someone becomes this big no it's because the size of it is insane it was seattle where the earthquake happened a 2.3

magnitude earthquake uh at the taylor's second seattle show on july 23rd you know what the kids are doing is they're taking uh oppenheimer putting it on mute and playing the audio from the Eros movie while on mushrooms. Really? What? No. No, I made that up. Like a Wizard of Oz. I believed you. I was like, man, it's going down at the state park. I said it pretty serious. I was proud

of myself. I'm looking at this fact list of the Eros tour right now. She has a fedora that she gives out during the show. To one, like to that she gives out during the show. To a lucky fan? To one fan. It's her 22 hat. Because that's the thing about the tour.

It's the eras of Taylor Swift. Where she goes through each of them. Where it's like we start off with her being a 17-year-old country songwriter. And then it ends with... I also feel like entertainment is so niche right now that you can kind of like,

it's hard to have something so big that like keeps getting into your space. If it's not something you're looking for. And I feel like the whole year I was constantly here and you don't, I mean, and that's not looking for it, but it was there in a bad way. It's just not at all in my wheelhouse or anything. And it was, it just kept coming up and, and then, yeah, was there. Not in a bad way. It's just not at all in my wheelhouse or anything. And it just kept coming up.

And then, yeah, the highest grossing tour of all time. That's quite the feat, man. I mean, it is pretty incredible. Burt Kreischer was on tour this year, you know? Well, and this is what I mean by, like, you have to respect the savvy. Like, the concept of the Heiress Tour is, like, tied in with this project she's undertaking where she's reissuing and re-recording and reissuing all her masters. So it's like, I, Taylor Swift, am re-recording Fearless, an album I made when I was like 17. And now that that's in the zeitgeist anyway, I am also going to incorporate that into my set list.

And also make clear to all my fans that this is not just a normal tour. It's not just all my songs from Reputation and a few from The Vault. It's like, I am doing... This is the tour to end all tours. You need to be here. You also need to support me in my professional divorce from Scooter Braun. And yeah, she just takes up all the oxygen in this way I mean down to like her dating Travis Kelsey and it's like oh it's like a four quadrant now like you're getting all the football guys

like you're getting everyone at the same time she's a mastermind she has a song about it she told us she was a mastermind and then she went and did it apparently inspired by Phantom Thread which is like one of the most crazy making facts I've ever learned

in my life. That D-Day movie? Yeah. The D-Day Lewis. Oh, okay. Wild. It's one of the, I guess that's one of those reminders that like even the most famous, most powerful people like in entertainment also have

to consume entertainment. So there was a time when she was like on a plane or like at her house in Connecticut when she, like, in entertainment also have to consume entertainment. So there was a time when she was, like, on a plane or, like, at her house in Connecticut when she was like, let's watch Phantom Thread. Yeah. Well, she was dating Joe Alwyn for, you know, six years. And that guy is in, like, legit, like, pretty arty. Like, he was in a Claire Denis movie at one point.

Like, he was in The Favorite. And so just, like, that was, I remember that being a meme of like, oh, imagine like Taylor Swift watching Billy Lynn's long halftime walk, the like weird ongly, like 3D movie that he made that Joe was in. But yeah, I mean, it's just like, I remember watching the movie and being like,

this is so like powerful and omnipresent that she must like be sealing herself in a vacuum chamber for the next five years. Like, you just can't, like, after you put yourself out there this much, you must be taking some huge step back. Did it get you to dive into the music after you watched the movie? Were you like, okay, now I get it? I mean, like, I got it before. Like, I understand that, like, Love Story is, like, probably one of the best pop songs ever written.

But I did, I mean, it worked. Like, I listened to the, not just Fearless, I listened to, like, the reissued Fearless to be like, how is this different from the original? Dude, it was so fun listening to that. Like, it's so fun

just to hear the tiny little differences. I love, I think her music is, as far as pop music goes, perfect. I mean, it gets right in there and it sticks and it's good. Like, good, good. I love her. I think it's great. She's fantastic. Like, the fact that she put out

the, I mean, this was a couple years ago, but the 10-minute version of All Too Well and then played that in concert a couple times. The fact that she switched every couple concerts, like, switched a couple of the songs that she was doing and then those that in concert a couple times. The fact that she switched every couple concerts, switched a couple of the songs that she was doing, and then those alone became... The fact that she was doing a

different playlist, that became its own pop culture moment. The bracelets became a pop culture moment. She donated... Now, I know you can say everything's a tax write-off for rich people, but the fact that she gave everyone a $100,000 bonus on the ERA's tour, everyone a $100,000 bonus on the Ares tour, like truck drivers,

people who worked on the tour, that's amazing. That'll change your life. I mean, a lot of those people are on just like a regular old salary. Being somebody who works on that tour doesn't mean you're getting paid any more than somebody else who would work in that stadium doing a different job. It's like what you would get

for winning the in-season tournament in the NBA and Taylor Swift gave it out to her truck drivers. You know what I mean? And a truck driver, man. They deserve truck drivers. Hell yeah. We're a big Teamster podcast. Take showers at a truck stop? No.

Go fast? Yeah. Anything with go fast. Those are my two big picks and they're gone. So let's. I'm sorry, Sean. I knew I didn't want to. No, somebody was going to take it. There's no way.

It had to go in the first round. For sure. Of course it did. That wasn't making past me. Oof. Now it's tricky. Is it? I'm not crazy, right?

Those were two glaring, huge things. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm not crazy, right? Those were two glaring huge things. Yes. I had Barbenheimer at the top of my list and was like, if someone else takes this, I will be pissed. Yeah. Now we're in some 1.5 picks. These are definitely some not first-round talents. What does a 1.5 picks these are definitely some not first round

talents we've got what does a 1.5 pick mean like in between 1 and 2 kind of in that in between 1 and 2 range you know what I mean where it's like these are up for debate but I am going to take I think I have to take succession landing landing the plane god damn it

I knew that's what you wanted for your second pick you've been the most vocal about it. I haven't seen it yet. Any of it? Not this last season because I didn't want to do it if I didn't have time. Can we not talk about some of the stuff that happens? Oh, no, I don't want to be that. I don't want to be that person.

You can do whatever you want. Yeah. People have yelled at me on the internet for talking about Succession eight months after the episode aired. No, no, that's crazy. I wouldn't do it if it was on tonight. I wouldn't get mad. Do you know what happens at all in the final season?

Not really. Basically, look at what's happening with CBS now. Okay. No, you don't worry about reckoning. I'm not in it yet. Not one bit. It's fine. I'm still going to watch it at some point.

The final season was just fantastic. It was crazy. It went nuts. It was, it was amazing. I didn't like, I, I just really enjoyed it.

I thought like the, when they, when they had a death, I thought they handled that amazingly. It was like emotional. It got like, who died? Hit me.

Are we? Can I, I don't want to wreck it for anybody listening. It's so late. We're going to spoil. like who died can I it's so late we're going to spoil the final season of Succession don't get mad at me don't get mad at any of us you can fast forward to like 5 minutes from now

or you know 7 minutes from now 10 you know whatever move around if you don't want to hear like final season of Succession if you want to get mad about it get mad about it this is the beef I can handle because it's so low key don't want to hear final season of Succession. If you want to get mad about it, get mad about it. This is the beef I can handle because it's so low-key. Don't say picks. Ha! Oh, damn. I forget

the dad's name. Was it Brian Cox? Yes, but the crazy thing that happens is that everyone going into the season was like, okay, it's literally called Succession. Logan is going to die. It's going to happen. But I think everyone expects that to happen

maybe in the premiere, maybe in the finale, and more importantly, you expect it to be this big thing. And the brilliant thing they do is that it happens offscreen. It's completely anticlimactic.

No death scene? No like... He's literally in the bathroom. No death scene. No, like... He's literally, like, in the bathroom. He is in the shitter on an airplane. That's how it goes. And, like, you watch one of the... And the crazy thing is, I knew going into the episode

that it would happen because my editor accidentally spoiled it for me. And, like, I literally knew this is the episode where Logan dies. And then you see Shiv, the daughter, like, misses a phone call from Tom. She just immediately presses decline. And I didn't even think about that.

I was like, oh, just a phone call. And then you realize Tom's on the plane. Yep. And you just have this... It's so sudden. It's just in the middle of a random mid-season episode. And then it just turns into something completely different. They even start other plot lines of, like,

oh, Roman and Jerry are arguing. And then all of a sudden, the whole episode just freezes and pivots and becomes this entirely new thing. And it was just, like, masterful. The death happened the way, like, death happens. There's not some grand Shakespearean scene, you know what I mean where someone like I don't even know that Shakespeare did that but there's not some big

schmaltzy like death scene it's just like scary and you don't really know a lot and you know again like it happened like in a bathroom they aren't really sure you know they go through like bargaining they go through like all the stages of grief and all that stuff too and like you know the wrong person's

there like when it happens you can stuff too. And like, you know, the wrong person's there. Like when it happens, you can't get the, like, it was just, you know, we've been in the era of the anti-hero and TV for like, what, like a couple of decades now, but also, you know, you find yourself really feeling for all these people. Cause you're watching them like go through just what feels like a very realistic death scene. And it was just like emotionally wrenching to watch even these awful people these awful feckless people like

go through it it like it made me like I think that I'm pretty sure that episode made me cry if I'm like remembering it right just because it felt loser so visceral yeah no it did it felt of course it made you cry man I cry at everything dude I would be

bawling so is this a series finale, right? It's all done? Oh, yeah, the series finale. Not that episode. But it also ends, like even like the death is perfect and the fact that it happened so early is perfect because they have the whole rest of the season

to kind of figure out like what happens after. Tie a lot up, right? But the way it like ends, ends is also perfect. So again, we are going into full spoilers, but the company gets sold Tom basically becomes like puppet CEO so like

he technically is has Logan's job but like none of the power you're talking about Tom DeLonge right they switched it it's like it's a big change yeah he's like I'm devoting the entire company to discovering alien life now that's that's what Waystar Rayco is all about um the entire company to discovering alien life now that's that's what redway star right and so tom is technically in the chair and then it happens because they're like there's like a dramatic board vote and shiv is the deciding vote and she can't give it to kendall and so she's like

i'm i'm not doing this for selling the company. And then the final shot is just Kendall completely destroyed, looking out over Battery Park into the East River. And apparently, there was a take they shot where Jeremy Strong tried to climb over the railing, and the guy who plays the bodyguard had to take him off to make sure nothing happened. Yeah, wow. It's so intense,

but it's so perfect for all the characters.'re like of course kendall can't win he can't end up on top of course you know tom is gonna worm his way up there but like yeah he's never really gonna have it it was it felt like everybody was doing everybody ended where you thought where they had to end right like like you said like it's like yeah they weren't gonna run it of course they yeah, they weren't going to run it. Of course they weren't. They weren't. That's not who they were ever. That's they got close and everything and nepotism help and all that. But ultimately it's like,

you guys aren't like the sharks in this tank. Speaking of them being close when they were like at their mom, at their mom's house in like the Caribbean, like in the kitchen when they all reverted that, when you're like, Oh yeah, they're siblings. And they have like this old history and like're like, oh yeah, they're siblings and they have this old history.

And like, oh, that was when Kendall thought he was going to have it. But it's so sad because you can see a version. I mean, I remember I made this joke on Twitter right when it happened. It's an objectively happy ending if any of them were remotely capable of emotional maturity.

They all get billions of dollars out of this deal. They don't have to deal with this thing that just poisons all their relationships. They can just be a family and they do deep down love each other, but they just will never be able to get there because they've been ruined by their horrible parents and the system that they've grown up in. And you see them right before the end that they've grown up in. And you, like, see them, like, right before the end have this moment

of togetherness. And then you're like, they're never gonna have that again. Like, they're never gonna be that close. Yeah. Because this thing is just, like, fully blown them apart.

But they're all still rich. They're all still rich. Yeah. So cry me a river. You know? You see Roman, like, dealing with his dad's death, like, in this...

I don't... They did such an amazing job on that show of taking these characters who we have so little in common with as people. All the people watching the show have so little in common with all the people on it, but they find these human moments, whether it's them being siblings, feeling like teenagers in the kitchen again,

or watching Roman deal with all the things like realizing his dad was a horrible person, but also missing him. You know, like, I don't know, Kendall giving the eulogy. I don't know, man. And the final shot of Shiv and Tom reluctantly holding hands. Oh, in the car. and Tom reluctantly holding hands. Oh, in the car. I feel very smug about because people were arguing on Twitter about their various interpretations of it.

And Jesse Armstrong gave an interview where he took my read on it, which is like, it's this very perverse and sad form of equality where it's like, he's bumped up a little by being CEO. She's taken down a peg by losing the company. But neither of them truly has the upper hand,

so they're just going to be miserable forever. And now she's pregnant, which was a thing that was not written into the show. Sarah Snook just happened to be... Is she pregnant with Tom, baby? Mm-hmm. And Sarah Snook was pregnant in real life, and they just decided to weave that in.

And it's amazing because they only really have it in a couple scenes. They don't really overwork it, but it completely changes the tenor of the fact that Shiv and Tom are still together, but she's always going to resent him, and he's always going to have betrayed her. It's just awful, but amazing.

It's so good. Plus, is it Alexander Skarsgård? I always forget which Skarsgård. Yes. Daniel Ek-Musk. Yeah, Daniel Ek-Musk. He's the perfect one, right?

He was the one that was in True Blood. All those Skarsgårds are perfect in their own way. They are. Even the dude that plays Pennywise, where people are like, oh, he's not perfect. You're like, look at the guy when he's not playing Pennywise. It's perfect. Yeah, but this Skarsgård playing, like you said,

Daniel Ekmas, like this perfect, awful Swedish CEO, he's also so good. Everybody's so... Sean, you got to watch it, buddy. I will. I know I just said TV's easier. Succession is another show where I have to pay all of my attention.

I can't be on my phone. I can't have it at a low volume because someone's asleep. I got to be watching it phone away from me. Because it's so good, but also I just get lost with stuff like that, with the jargon. I mean, it is tough from me. Because it's so good, but also I just get lost with stuff like that, with the jargon.

It is tough for me. I just want to give it its full credit and pay attention. A lot of crazy metaphors in that show. I mean, the whole bear hug. I remember the bear hug. I was like, what the fuck is a bear hug? An actual bear hug? I wish it was an actual bear hug.

I know what that is. They have all these complicated business jargon but then they're like, it's just like if you fuck them in the ass and then they fuck you and then you kind of get it Who's the king of the fucky fuck mountain? And you're like, I guess this is business Let's just fuck them

Let's fuck them I guess this is how you make money A lot of fucking you do think that watching the show where you're like is that all business is yeah it's just like do they teach that at Harvard

like I remember what he was like sometimes it is a big dick contest and you're like I guess I never thought about my life that way I don't have that much money they're just like seriously get your dick out

whatever whoever's is bigger can have it everything the show did well in the lead up to the final season it did well in the final season it did like the stories were amazing the jokes were fantastic the peripheral characters which the show is so good at were amazing and after were fantastic the peripheral characters which the show is so good at were amazing and after Logan dies you get

like you know all those old Jerry and I'm forgetting the other guys Carl they're all amazing like once he dies and like that and that central figure is gone and that you know the tourism porn which that show did so well like the little glimpses into billionaire lifestyles

like they go to that weird retreat in sweden you know oh man what like yeah yeah yeah it's all just so good um sean jordan time for your first and your second picks uh actually i can feel myself being well i'm just gonna i guess i'm just gonna have to go all me. What I, you know, uh, I'm going to go jury duty. Yeah. I loved it.

I still haven't watched it. I thought it was so fun and it was such a good new, they did it and they did it well. And it was so positive. That was my big thing with it. Like that guy ended up seeming actually legitimately great he didn't say anything maybe they cut whatever but he seemed like people were throwing all this crazy shit at him and he was just trying to be cool like ah you know maybe it's just not the yeah maybe

whatever maybe you guys just need to talk about it when this is all over like when that girl uh what the guy was having uh the main character call his girlfriend for him and basically his girlfriend was like break up with him for me and he's on the phone he's like how to go and he's like he i think you should talk to her that kind of stuff he just or like when he took the heat for james marzen taking a big old crap in his room just he just i don't know it's fun it was a very fun low stakes watch in a very very stressful time and i loved every single second of it and i cried hard like in so many parts of it but at the end when he found out he was such a good dude anyway i loved it loved it so much yeah i knew i knew the premise i knew what the premise

was going in and like when you when you hear about it's like, oh, it's like they do jury duty and it's all kind of a prank on this one guy who is a real person. And you're like, okay, I think I know what this is. And then I think not to like undersell like what they were able to accomplish in terms of like creating this immersive environment, but it's almost like what they did

was they created a scripted sitcom where like one character's bit in the same way that like one guy is like the kooky dude who thinks he's a bug and like one dude is the is like a actor and like one guy's bit is just that he's a real person and like

doesn't understand that this is all fake but it means like there's honestly like plenty of comic like it would still be funny and well-written and good if Ronald weren't even part of it. That's a great point. And then the fact that Ronald is a part of it

and he's such a great discovery and so good natured just gives it that extra little juice. And they weren't mean to him. A lot of times when they're doing stuff like that, the person who doesn't know the foil is going to end up being the butt of all these jokes in a he looks stupid way. He didn't ever look bad.

He didn't ever look... I don't know. I don't think I would rewatch it and be like, oh, they were mean to the guy or they made him look stupid for the price of comedy or whatever. It was all good. It was all fine.

They used him and toyed with it, but he never looked bad. I was, yeah, I was very, very excited very excited also james marston does he does rule did he get an emmy for that or anything got nominated he did yeah yeah he did great did such a did they i mean i'm sure it'd be fun to be an asshole like that to play yourself a heightened version of yourself like that, but he did it so well. Did they have to start that over once? Did I hear that right? Where they started the process with somebody and it wasn't working

out, so they had to restart the entire jury duty process? Allison, you might know more about that. I didn't hear about that, but that would make sense to me. It's also like, you know, we have this whole reference point of what Nathan Fielder does, for example. I think Nathan Fielder

is a genius, but there's always that kind of weird, like, this seems kind of... It's at the expense of people. Nathan Fielder, I mean, it is great. I agree with you, but I never left Nathan for you being like, oh man, everyone's going to feel great about that. And it's fine.

I'm not saying everything has to be great, but with Jury Duty, I was like, no one's going to be upset that this happened. Ronald Gladden just signed some overall deal with Amazon, which I'm also like, what is going on? Oh, did he know?

But he deserves it. Give him some money. Yeah, what is he going to Oh, did he know? But he deserves it. Give him some money. What is he going to do? That's so funny. What is he going to do with that overall deal? I mean, I bet it's like a Phoebe Waller bridge deal where it's like, we're just giving you $100 million to Vibe. If something comes out of it, great.

But we don't need that. He does have a pretty good average person quality about him. I mean, I don't know. I enjoyed it thoroughly. So, yeah, jury duty. And then go a little farther down my lane. We go to the movie realm. And I'm going to pick John Wick Chapter 4.

Loved me. Loved me a John Wick Chapter 4. Speaking of the other scars guard, he was fantastic in that. I had no idea that was even him. Rina Sawayama for all the pop girlies in the chat. I just loved it. I mean,

it's so violent, so fun, such a good, I mean, it's John Wick. No, no, it's funny how you said that.

It's the movie rules. Like 150 stairs at one point It's I don't know It was just such a fun long Three and a half hours that I didn't mind sitting there All action Three and a half hours long I think so it might even be longer I think it's like a little over two and a half maybe

But it just flies by I mean it's like very long. It's very long. It's radical honesty time. I'm two John Wicks behind. I want it to be radical honesty. Radical honesty. There was a time in my life and on this podcast when I would have just

nodded and said, oh yeah, that was sick. But I am two John Wicks behind. I don't know how it happened. I don't want to watch them on an airplane for the first time. And it's hard. I don't have a lot of time when my wife isn't here. And it's... John Wick is a bit of a harder sell for her.

I had to go to the theater. I went with Jeff and Kyle and Shane, I think. We had a total dude day. We went to a bowling alley slash movie theater. Not we. Everybody can do that. But I'm just saying, like, it was, it was Keanu Reeves old enough to where you're like, is he still gonna, is it still gonna happen? And then it happens.

It's, they throw enough other storylines and ancillary characters where you're like, all right, I'll buy it. He's got enough help. Yeah. Got enough assistance and enough younger people kind of like shooting arrows to if younger people shoot arrows. He doesn't have to take on 50 people. They're there. Is Common in it? I'm only going to see it if Common's in it.

Common is in it, isn't he? Also, Radical Honesty, they all run together for me. It's just one long him getting a bunch of guns and then going to a place to use all those guns. And I'm fine with that. In this movie, the places are Paris. like him getting a bunch of guns and then going to a place to use all those guns. And I'm fine with that. But that's cool. In this movie, the places

are Paris. Like the 150 steps that he goes down are like the literal Sacré-Cœur Basilica. Like they found the fanciest stairs in the world for Keanu Reeves to bust his ass on. All of them. He gets to the very top. He fights his way to the very

top and gets knocked down all of the stairs. It's so over the top that it just goes. It's like Tig pushing the tear around on her Conan set. It's like that with him with the stairs where you're like, it gets stupid and then it just gets fun again because he's just still falling down stairs. No, they use like Buster Keaton as a reference point.

They were very explicitly like, this is plastic, This is funny. And then I'd also like Humblebrag Time just had gone to Japan a few months before it came out during like cherry blossom season. And then there's a moment where he goes to Osaka and like that's the whole gimmick

is that he's just like in Japan at a crazy assassin hotel where all the assassins are basically samurai. Yeah, I will say, as a woman, I think Dana would find plenty to admire in the artistry of the John Wick franchise. I hope you're right. I just can feel her pulling her laptop out as we watch it. Because that's always what happens with a movie I want to watch. It's like an hour. It's like, you know, at

most an hour. Usually it's about half an hour into it. The email comes out and then I'm sitting there self-conscious about the fact that I picked a movie that has not held. You're 40 minutes into the program. It happened this year with Ferrari because we have all these screeners and I forget what

movie we watched the night before. I don't want to say it because I assume nobody's going to be taking Ferrari in this draft. The night before was a very Dana Core movie. And then I was like, well, I've earned Ferrari for us. And then we watched Ferrari and half an hour into it, laptop. Well, you know what? I never... And it pains me to say that I didn't

notice these things for most of my life but like a lot of movies we'll throw them in and Laura 45 minutes in or something she'll be like there's been one woman who's said two words in this movie and it's I mean that doesn't make them it doesn't matter. There's not a lot of women in Tombstone? For various two women

excuse me it's just I'm like, yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I do understand how if I want to sit and have a John Wick night. I'm sorry, but the USS Alabama,

you know, you can't put a woman on a nuclear-class submarine. Dude, you know. It messes with the sonar. They can't do that. I was on that sub in Portland and they told me they got to take one seven minute shower. Or no, no, no.

One 60 second shower a week. Yeah. Those dudes on the submarine. That is fuck, dude. Anyway. That's a stat that works for me. I got the Ferrari. Like, I was the boyfriend in that dynamic

where I got to take Hunter with me to a screening and I was like okay honey time for date night you get to come with me did you guys like Ferrari? it was sick although I totally understand why the email comes out because

despite being a movie literally called Ferrari the cars don't go zoom until an hour and a half into a two hour movie. Yeah. I mean, the bomb didn't go boom and Oppenheimer until like two hours in. So I wanted to congressional hearing time. Bob Downey.

Old, old emaciated Downey. What are we doing? Adam driver is tall for the entire ferrari movie though big big he's a big guy big guy john wick for john wick for fun action-packed and it was i know we've been back at the movies for a while but it's one of those where it's like this is great well you haven't you're a father i did i do not we went the other day and i we went yesterday and i was just like god this is great.

Everyone was like, it's a movie. Like, yeah, but isn't this fun? Like I got like five different remix sodas. I got strawberry cream bark soda, like strawberry cream soda barks. I was definitely a lot of opportunities to get up and leave the theater and the movie you saw yesterday. That might come up. I doubt it.

All I got is all I got a shit talk for that movie i it was fine but perfect way to say it but you have to you can't text it because somebody has to hear you say it was fine it was that's how you have to say it because it texts anyway we're talking about i don't think it's gonna come up and i don't think it's well i don't either but you know i'll put a pin in it i'll put a pin in it we'll talk shit if nobody grabs it time for my second pick I am going to oh man there's a lot here

yeah there is I know there's such a big list yeah my list is crazy I had to get another phone to put my list on it I guess I gotta go back to back TV just because of where I am in this thing I have to take the second season of The Bear. Also, don't watch it, man.

Which I also really, really liked. I thought... It was... There was some... They expanded the universe a little bit. We spent time with... It felt like we spent pretty scant time with Carmi, actually. And a lot more time with Evan Moss-Bakarac. Which I scant time with Carmi, actually.

And a lot more time with Evan Moss-Bacharach. Which I thought... I'm Carmi. The other Carmi. Jeremy Allen White. All right. The less hunky Carmi. There we go. Yeah, with worse biceps.

Even after his role in The Iron Clown. I mean, if anyone from the Bearcasting department is listening, I feel like a Chicago accent would not be a huge stretch for a dude with a mustache as prodigious as your own. Put me in. I think I would do a great job in the bear if they want to throw me in there doing any

sort of job. I could be one of the guys who delivers meat. I could be another one of Matty Matheson's cousins or something like that. I could even be coming down from the North Shore. I could be some kind of North Shore, you know, representing the synagogue up there. You know, I came down from Highland Park to get a brisket.

Would you mind making me a brisket for this bar mitzvah? I'll do anything you want. I can do kind of a... What do you mean you don't have my reservation? I'm in the bear. Yeah. The bear. I'm in it.

I'll play myself being upset that my reservation got lost at the bear. I'll go to the sandwich window. Give me a sandwich. Fine. I'll sit on the fucking 13 degree weather and eat it. I just loved it. I thought the Forks episode was just an amazing standalone piece of television.

The Feast of the Seven Fishes was like some of the most stressed out I've been, which I know doesn't sound like a advertisement for a show, but I thought like I just felt, but then it like delivered on it and it was like emotional. Oliver Platt getting, what was it?

The frozen banana, like at the end of the, like that made me cry. Like it just did. It just did a great job. I really, really enjoyed watching it. Is a frozen banana a pretty good treat?

No, I don't think so. Well, famously, to cite another masterpiece of television on Arrested Development, it's like the national dish of Newport Beach, California, which is probably as damning an indictment as you can get

of a culinary innovation. I thought it was like a big thing at Disneyland for a while. It is a big thing at Disneyland, but the chocolate flakes off too fast. The banana's always way too frozen, so you lose the chocolate aspect of it. The banana hurts. A lightly frozen banana dipped in

chocolate might be good, but not the stuff you're getting at any. If you make your own, I could, I could feel like I'd rather have it not frozen at all. Yeah. I'm with you. Just like a chocolate.

Yeah. Like a banana Nutella crepe. That's like, there's no need to, you know, reinvent the wheel here. Yeah. You want to, you know what?

I got to tell you something that I've never seen arrested development. Brutal honesty time. Isn't that stupid? I think you'd like it. I would love it. I'm sure. I've seen an episode or two. I just never watched it. There's so many word jokes that are so good. Yeah, that just...

You're just going to watch it and be like, what an idiot. Oh, I understand all of television for the last 20 years. That's where that came from. Yeah, that too. But yeah, the bear is like... Okay, I think I should just get this out of the way. I'm definitely and probably the bottom

quartile of bear enthusiasts among my colleagues in the TV criticism profession. That said... That was a fun sentence. You can tell... It sounded nice. Thank you. Even That was a fun sentence. You can tell. Sounded nice. Thank you. Like, even, you know, you can take this more seriously coming from a noted bear skeptic. I thought the season was like a massive improvement.

Like the fact that they, I mean, like it's explicitly about like they literally lock Kermie in a freezer for the entire finale. It's like, this is about making the show beyond this one guy. One of my criticisms of the first season was it really felt like they kind of took a play or a movie and kind of stretched it into a season of TV. And this one was like, no, this is a season of TV.

There are episodes about specific characters that go to new places. My kind of sleeper favorite was the episode in Copenhagen with Marcus where, yeah, where he goes to fake Noma. Beautiful. Yeah, I thought as someone who is very invested in both food and TV, I think I can be kind of skeptical of something that's in my perceived wheelhouse. But I thought this season definitely like amazing cameo.

It was really cool to watch them be like, oh, like we're a really like big deal show. So we can like call the right favors now. Like we can call- You're saying like, hey, Olivia Colman is here for like five minutes. Yeah, or we can be like, hey, literally any restaurant in Chicago, will you let our film crew come in?

And we can also like kind of reciprocate some of this and give good publicity to Next or La Pena or all these other restaurants that they shot in. And it was such a great opportunity for all the supporting members of the cast. I thought this was a great Iowa debris season.

Yeah. I think it was just objectively better. I think I still have to you know give a little voice to the hater in my heart and say I thought the Manic Pixie Dream Girl character was like below their writing abilities yes but that said

again like amazing amazing season of television hell yeah I haven't seen the bear you haven't seen it? I haven't seen it I started watching it

the first two episodes of the first season I just couldn't dig in and I was like it is a oh I was going to say if you want to watch The Bear just bang on a few pots in your kitchen and have someone yell at you really loudly that's what it felt like

when you said the word stressful, that's how that show made me feel. I was like, I don't want to watch this for fun. It is stressful. There's some stressful stuff. It's also a really, really beautiful show, and they say this directly, about the thing you love not making you

happy. Your passion, the thing you pursue, which just as stand a you know as stand-up comedians i think as anyone doing it boy when it gets in there it's in there then i really don't want to watch that for entertainment i need to escape i had a yeah ian and i did stand up the other night and after i got home i was like man i did bad i i was you brought it together yeah we both did bad you guys burned darn it no no no it just wasn't i i was i just i got home and i was like motherfucker and then it ate at me until last night which last night was probably one of the best shows i've ever been on

it was so good so but it'll yeah because you're like i it's all i want to do and i love doing it but when it sucks it is the worst. And it makes you feel bad about yourself. It was also one of the only thing I wanted to do when I wasn't identifying a lot of other things I wanted to do in my life. Yeah, true. Like every piece of media that's like about any creative thing, like works as a metaphor for any other creative thing. A hundred percent. a hundred percent a hundred percent yeah it's like how fit again to go back to phantom thread like when that came out everyone was like

oh it's like about a fashion designer but it's really about making movies and you're like well everything's about making movies every story is always and will always be about me ultimately yeah every person who works for a gossip magazine and a rom-com is a stand-in for a screenwriter. Or a journalist. Whatever it is. They're all like, what's not a screenwriter?

But they're a screenwriter. An architect? Okay, great. That's what it'll be. They got their own gossip column. They're like, as soon as you what is it in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days? As soon as you turn into a must-read, you can write about whatever you want. They're like, as soon as you... What is it? How to lose a guy in 10 days? As soon as you turn into a must-read, you can write about whatever you want. You're like, not in this magazine.

She can't. She's always going to have to write about this. It's never going to be... Yeah, it's definitely... I just really loved it. I thought like... Also, like you said, the Claire Carmy thing

was like the least interesting part of it, which just speaks to the strength of this cast and how rich these other characters ended up being like the what's Evan Moss Bacharach's character Richie or what Richie Richie yeah it's it does this thing like basically

like in the first season I also really chafed at how they treated the sister character Natalie played by Abby Elliot and like in this season she works with them and all of a sudden you're're like, oh my God, she has this incredible, rich plot line. And I think basically what happens with the Claire character,

to cut them a little slack, is when you have a character who doesn't work in the restaurant, the whole show is about how none of these people can have lives or relationships outside their workplace. So when you introduce someone who is outside the workplace,

they end up seeming peripheral because like the character can't incorporate them into their lives. And like, that's hard. It's like hard to draw a line between like commenting on something and like recreating the thing you're commenting on. But it stood out to me because the rest of the season was like such a noted step up and a real like, it's really cool to watch them be like, okay, now we have all these resources and we have this blank check and we're actually going to like

use that to push ourselves more. And then in season three, Claire's brother shows up to work at the restaurant. It's like, what if we serve fancy Chicago hot dogs? That's what the bear needs. We are putting ketchup on these hot dogs, okay?

Because I had an emotional experience at a New York hot dog stand. And then we're going to send Richie there to echo that exact same experience. And that's how we become the first hot dog place in the greater Chicagoland area that puts ketchup on hot dogs. Season three, the bear. Season three, hot dogs. Season three, The Bear.

Season three, The Bear. Season three, The Bear. It's about how Brian Urlacher had a lasagna once that inspired him to have a 15-tackle game in the playoffs. I bet Brian Urlacher was crushing lasagnas.

I want them to cast Scottie Pippen. Not as Scottie Pippen. I think that he maybe needs to go away for a while. Boy, I'd be having a rough time. Figure some stuff out. Or he rebrands. That's what I'm saying. He's an actor now.

He has his own thing. He doesn't need Larson. Is Michael Jordan behind what's going on? Like, does he support it? I don't think so. You don't think so? Okay. Allison, do you know about this? This is some weird entertainment slash... It's like Bravo slash basketball thief. It's kind of crazy. Well, I know the names

you're saying, and I know that Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen are former teammates, and I know that Michael Jordan, the star of... And I took that personally meme. That's right. Takes things personally and has grudges. So I teammates, and I know that Michael Jordan, the star of, and I took that personally meme, takes things personally and has grudges. So I can trace the contours, but the details are escaping me. I don't know if you were going to draft this, David, but we can make

it a little in between. I wasn't going to take it. It's not even on my screen. Let's do a quick little update. So, I mean, David, do you want to... Michael Jordan's son is getting married to Larsa Pippen. Oh, wait, I didn't know about this. It's crazy.

And he's, what, 30 years younger? She babysat him, apparently. Oh, not 30 then. Maybe 20 years younger. Whatever. Not 30, yeah. It's a lot. I don't know, man.

It's a weird scene over there. Scotty's got to be just having a rough go of it. That would be... I just can't... I can't even... I don't even know how to... Well, what if this brings them closer together? Like, I feel like if... Scotty and Marcus? Yeah, Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen. I feel like they both have to be like,

this sucks. And maybe that bridges the divide. I was thinking he's such a narcissist that he'd be like, deep down proud of it. Like, yeah, my kids out there, like whatever still dominating stuff. Cucking Scottie Pippen.

Yeah, but he's not. So you're saying like Michael's probably not stoked about it. He's probably like this. I mean, age difference is whatever. She's 49. Marcus Jordan is 33. So this is a 16 year old age difference. I don't care about that. Honestly, it seems like Michael

like the tea leaves are that Michael Jordan's acceptance of all this is sort of big grudging that he's like, well, Marcus is going to do what Marcus is going to do. And I love my son. Oh, that'd be so tough. Anyway, that's not what we're talking about. It's just such a crazy scenario that anyway,

which leads me right into my second pick uh obviously inspired off the heels of this larsa pippen no i i'm taking bottoms oh i loved it in the ailing yeah yeah yeah i i love her which is initially why i even saw it just you know you go see every movie somebody you know is in, right? Yeah. But it was just like, it was so fun. And the tone of it was so silly and all over the place. I don't know the last time I saw like a teen comedy movie that I gave any kind of a fuck about at all.

You know what I mean? The dynamics were so fun. Marshawn Lynch is in it. Yeah, come on. Marshawn Lynch is in it? Like, it was just like, it was a, it made me laugh. I don't really see

a lot of comedy movies that make me laugh in ever anymore, you know? Yeah. I haven't seen this yet. Is Rachel Sennett playing a Jew in this as well? Or is that a one-shot deal for her?

I was going to bring up Shiva Baby. I think she's always playing a Jew. That's just an ambient part of all her characters. You didn't see it? I haven't seen this yet. Oh, man. And sometimes

you just want to watch high schoolers trying to get laid. No. You do, though. That's true. It is. It's a fun premise in general, and I think they did a good job at not being too heavy-handed on a lot of stuff that they could have really leaned in on and it's just uh yeah i thought it was fun i thought it was so silly the tone of it i don't think there's a lot of comedy movies that feel

that silly anymore and uh yeah bottoms i really liked it yeah it's fun watching like being an adult anybody am i the only one who's not i haven't seen i saw it but i know the vibe but like you're saying like being an adult and watching like uh a movie about teenagers or whatever it's fun because it's low stakes now that you're grown well sometimes i get kind of irritated by it to be honest because it was a movie that i went because i owe like i i was like you know what I mean? Like, sometimes I get, like, annoyed where it's like, who the fuck cares about high school?

Like, you know what I mean? I'm not trying to watch, like, a high school drama or anything like that. But, yeah, I had a lot of fun watching it. Like, the movie itself does not care about high school.

Like, the movie itself is like, this is dumb and silly and, like, we're not trying to make a big statement about anything, which, like, I know a lot of my friends who are queer were like it's really nice to have a high school movie about

gay kids that's not like about them coming out or anything it's about being like horny little weirdos they're gay but then there's the movie yeah like it's and Marshawn Lynch is really funny in it I hope he does more stuff like that Punky Johnson is in it. I hope he does more stuff like that.

Punky Johnson is in it for a scene and really does a great job. Punky kills it, too. Marshawn Lynch is a teacher, right? Yeah. He's like the teacher they go to to run the club or whatever. He's funny, right?

He's legit funny. Marshawn? He's just a funny dude right he's i think he's like maybe like pound for because like rachel and i are obviously funny but they also have to be like protagonists of the movie and have a story and marshawn gets to just like show up and be funny and like that's the most fun yeah he's just marshawn in the whole time he's great he's it's it's just like uh it's like it was probably the most I laughed at a movie this year actually so take that yeah I thought it was so fun

that seems like something I could definitely that's one that I could watch when everyone's in bed a little low volume and pay attention to like but I wouldn't get lost you wouldn't get lost at all and it's so silly put your phone away have you thought about that? I'm working on it

it's I am it's tough man it is tough I mean Put your phone away. Have you thought about that? I'm working on it. I am. It's tough, man. It is tough. I mean, I do, though. Go put it in the fridge. I mean, that's the nice thing about going to the movies, right? I just turn it off. Yeah, for sure.

I don't. I sit in the back room. It's sad. I sit back there so I can still check it if I need to. You're the guy who's recording the whole thing on your phone so you can post clips to Instagram stories I saw some kids uh

oh I whatever we were oh was it Five Nights at Freddy's certainly nobody was gonna bring that up but they recorded the whole thing

in sections on their phones and I was like what are you they were probably 15 or something I was like you're gonna watch it

I would become the lame adult and go get somebody. If people were like repeatedly filming during a movie and I could see it. And it was like, when I saw it part one at the Vista and like, I had to be the grandma. I did wait for the whole movie, but I did the like, really like condescending adult thing where I was like,

just so you know, it's really distracting when you do that. And like everyone around you can see your phone. I also did do that for Oppenheimer. I straight up like lunged over and was like, put your fucking phone away. I do not want to see a phone. You were in like opening day of Oppenheimer.

Why the fuck was somebody's phone? And the other one was at the Vista. People shouldn't have their phones. That's like as small, that's not like. Well, the Oppenheimer guy had his phone in a cup rest, so he couldn't see it, but every time he got a notification, like the light flashed, and he,

it was just away from him, and I was like, dude, that's not putting your phone away. Put your phone away. Yesterday, I got some slurpy. Somehow, a bunch of slurpy got flicked at me, and I stood up like the most upset. I didn't and I stood up like the most upset. I didn't.

I stood up like the most upset dad you've ever seen. And I was breathing all heavy and I looked at the whole back of the theater. It was all children and like proper adults. So I'm like, all right. So nobody did that on purpose. But I was ready to find some teenagers and go up there and just be like, you want to do it again? You want to do it? You want to do it right now to my face?

You're ready to be stern. Such a loser you want to do it again? You want to do it right now to my face? You're ready to be stern. Such a loser. Gotta do it. I mean, it depends on what movie you're at. I don't know. I needed to distract myself from the mediocrity. Your movie, that might have been part of the 4D experience of that movie.

Getting slurred and flicked at you. Allison, time for your second and third picks. Okay. I'm going to go for, you know, after a lighthearted high school comedy, I'm going to go for a real downer and pick Killers of the Flower Moon. Oh, yeah.

A three and a half hour odyssey about genocide and the American sickness of white supremacy from our greatest 81-year-old master, Martin Scorsese. And goggles. And goggles.

Yeah. I loved this movie. It is three and a half hours. I did not break for the bathroom the entire time. I was locked in. I had read the book, and I knew that the movie was locked in. I had read the book and I knew that the movie was very different.

And I thought it made really smart, interesting changes. So for those who don't know, it's about a series of murders that happened in the 1920s of Osage Indians who had oil rights and became super wealthy. But of course, they were still

living in America, so they were very enmeshed in a white supremacist society. Where is it? Oklahoma. And it is on land that is currently owned by the family of the pioneer woman, Reed Drummond. Oh! Which is one of the craziest facts about that movie.

Weird, yeah. Yeah, so the book is kind of about like the investigation into who's doing it and like the fact that like it plays into the early FBI because like federal law enforcement had to come in and solve the

murders because the people in Oklahoma were basically doing them so they weren't going to help solve them and the book or the movie is basically like the FBI doesn't show up until the last hour. They don't actually like really solve anything longterm. And it's mostly about Leonardo DiCaprio playing the most stupid,

worthless piece of shit you've ever seen in your entire life. Oh, good. And he's great at it. He's really good at it. He also has like he keeps his mouth in a permanent frown the entire time and I'm like that seems

physically painful like he's like a bulldog and he his character's relationship with Lily Gladstone's character and Lily Gladstone is just like amazing in it and it's a performance where like she's

supposed to be like quiet and still the whole time and she just like does so much and it's um and Robert De Niro plays Satan so it basically uh and like it's he got like 200 million dollars from Apple to do this so it also just looks amazing

like you see this old Western town that he recreates in its entirety. And it's just a very sad, but like gripping movie. And I'm so happy that Martin Scorsese is getting to do this and can be like, I'm 81.

Like you're not going to fucking tell me what to do. I will make a three and a half hour movie. And, um, it, it just worked so well for me. And like, I won't spoil the ending for anyone who hasn't seen it,

but like the very final scene and the cameo in the final scene is just like one of the most effective ways to end the movie that like tells you what the movie is about. Um, in a way that kind of reminded me of like the Wolf of Wall Street, how it ends with him, like having the pen to the crowd and you're like, oh,

this is about how we're all idiots. Yeah. Like the ending of Killers of the Flower Moon really like brings it home and you like leave the theater thinking about stuff. So that was my, that's my pick. In a weird way, the end of the movie is like, I get with, I, So that was my, that's my pick. In a weird way. The end of the movie is like, I get without,

again, without spoiling it, like how boogie nights ends just to kind of put it in perspective. Well, no, it's like, it's a little bit, it's a little bit Martin Scorsese,

eight miling himself in a way like where he's like, I know that like what the criticisms that are going to be coming and they're all valid, but let me go ahead and like address them right now. Like it is me. It is this like white Italian dude telling the story about American Indian genocide and like the limitations of that. So like when the whole thing ends and it's just these like,

you know, for, I guess I'm going to kind of spoil it here, but not spoil it. It's just like, you know, four white dudes'm gonna kind of spoil it but not spoil it it's just like you know four white dudes doing a radio play like on the stage where it's like yeah that's who told this story and we're aware of the limitations of and the main white dude is martin scorsese like himself he like walks out and like delivers the obituary but you're like this is not you know it's basically about how like the story gets repackaged into cheap

little radio entertainment when it was about people dying. And I do think there are all these criticisms of the movie that I think make sense. And the fact that he chose to make it about the people who perpetrated the genocide. But it also means it's this very powerful movie about

the cognitive dissonance of racism and how Leonardo DiCaprio's character is, again, so stupid and so blind and unthinking that he does genuinely love his wife and children and also has no problem turning around and literally murdering his wife's family

and poisoning her and just... It just really sat with me and made me feel things and like lived up to the fact that like all of Martin Scorsese's late career movies are these like very depressing riffs on like

you know like in the way that like if you hold the Irishman up against Goodfellas and you're like oh man this is a real downer compared to what he used to be doing nothing funny in this yeah and Killers of the Flower Moon is like, I'm going to make a Western, but I'm going to make a Western

that's going to make you feel bad. And it's great. Just so everybody knows, not even for a second did I think it actually would end like Boogie Nights where Mark Wahlberg pulls his penis out. Nobody's worried about that. You brushed over that.

You're like, well, no, not really. And I'm like, I know not really. I just, I can't have anyone thinking that I was like, so like Boogie Nights. Martin Scorsese standing on stage doing a radio play. Mark Wahlberg walks out and pulls his penis out. And then the penis talks into the microphone. Does he have that extra six inches of purple on there that he had in Boogie Nights? That's right.

Yeah, it's the very penis from Boogie Nights. Martin Scorsese's wearing the fake penis. Yeah, that'd be great. Well, at one point, Robert De Niro does spank Leonardo DiCaprio, which in a way feels, you know, somewhat pornographic a la Boogie Nights. Yeah, that could get you there. Lily Gladstone's sister's in this. The one, like the, I forget her name right now, the actor,

but she's like the drunk party sister who gets, you know, is so good too. Like the supporting roles in this are so amazing. Jesse Plemons, your boy Jesse Plemons comes in. That dude does not miss. He always gets it done. In Game Night, he can be

so funny. He just, he always delivers, always. He's never had a stinker. He shows up like two and a half hours into the movie and you're like, Jesse Plemons is here now. Hell yeah. He's never had a stinker. He shows up like two and a half hours into the movie and you're like, Jesse Plemons is here now. Hell yeah. It's like the chef has sent this out from the kitchen in between dinner and dessert and you're like, oh, thank you.

I feel like everybody pretty much like, yeah, Jesse Plemons, man. Does that make Brendan Fraser the amuse-bouche? Brendan Fraser, have you guys seen it? No. Fell asleep. Brendan Fraser, did you fell asleep during it? I watched a lot of movies

at bad times this year. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Brendan Fraser is in this movie. I liked him, but like a cartoon. But that's how lawyers acted. Yeah, he's playing a show about lawyer, but it's also crazy because there's so many people in this movie Jason Isbell

the country star is in it and does a great job but there's so many people in this movie that you're two, two and a half hours in and Brennan Fraser and John Lithgow show up at the same time and you're like I didn't even know these people were in this movie and Brennan Fraser just won an Oscar

a little bit like Oppenheimer where you're just like more dudes oh you got all the dudes You're like, I didn't even know these people were in this movie. And Brendan Fraser just won an Oscar. A little bit like Oppenheimer, where you're just like, more dudes? Oh, you got all the dudes. Between those two movies, all the dudes were in it. There's also a dude in Killers of the Flower Moon whose actual, honest-to-God, real-life name is Louis Cancel Me. And he gives one of the best performances in the movie. Which one is he? He's the guy who in the movie. Which one is he? He's the guy who does the crazy dance at one point and then he talks to the lawyer and is like,

I want to adopt these kids. And then the lawyer's like, it sounds a lot to me like you're going to try to adopt and murder these children. And it's like a great, does not sound like it, but I promise it is a great laugh line in the context of the movie. But that's kind of the vibe of like, you're gonna

laugh at child murder at one point. An amazing pick. Just what a movie. Martin Scorsese. May we all be that age accomplishing that kind of stuff artistically. You know, on our level, though. A don't tell comedy set.

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Welcome back to All Fantasy Everything Already in Progress. This episode, of course, is brought to you by the good folks over at The Bear, where you can catch a live podcast taping of a fictionalized version of All Fantasy Everything in Season 3, Episode 4 of The Bear. Cast us in it, why not? of a fictionalized version of all fantasy everything in season three episode four of the bear asked us in it why not we we can all do chicago accents sean david here's here's a legitimate question for you now go again oh no that was all i had beef what's what's the accent you think you could get by with in what am I trying to say? What's your most believable accent where you're like, where do you

think you could actually get it done? Like I can't say. Man, I don't think I got one, bro. I feel like Ian, you worked for a British person for like a decade. Like you have to have absorbed. They can tell though. You'd think. They can tell. Southern

can tell. I mean mean I like to say I naturally just have kind of like a little bit of a New York Jew lilt that I feel like I could turn up yeah whatever it is you have to be soft

the Bernie the Bernie accent if I just talk, if I just talk like my dad, then like maybe I could, you know, there's, there's a little bit of an accent there that I could get away with.

I do think my Chicago accent is pretty okay, but I'm just trying to picture you walking into like kind of a grimy bar where everybody really does talk like that. Yeah. And, uh, trying to get by and haven't, you know, like we'd even give you some knowledge about like some neighborhoods or whatever.

So you could like it wouldn't be the knowledge that would that would spoil it. It would be like, what do you think you can get by with? I don't think I got one. I was going to say you're Minnesota. Yeah, that doesn't count, though. I mean, I'm that's Sioux Falls. It's the same thing. Yeah.

That Nordic that Nordic disgusting dribble. It all sounds the same. So have you seen the new season of Fargo and do you have thoughts on their ability to do the accent? Perfect. I think it's all people don't believe that that's how thick it is. It is how thick it is. That is what they sound like the movie, the show. You can't do it too much. There's, there's no joke. You can't, there are people, no matter, no matter how much you do it, and you think, oh my God, nobody does it like that.

There's someone who does it like that, for sure. I've heard people talk like that. Absolutely. I think Johnny Hamm. A drunk Minneapolis, somebody from a drunk like Northern Midwestern. You? Yeah, Charlie. Enough.

And I'm just like, oh my God, but I can hear it when I'm doing it. Yeah. No, I think they I'm doing it. Yeah. No, I, yeah, I think they're all doing great. Also John Hamm with his nipples pierced. It's such a hilarious touch. I whatever. Anyway. Allison, it's time.

Allison, it's time for your third pick here, hon. All right. I'm not going to embarrass myself by doing any accent, but I'm positive. Not a San Diego accent. You want to drop a rom doing any accent, but I'm positive. Not a San Diego accent you want to drop off? A Grom accent? Nah. No, brah. No, I was going to pick something

that I am absolutely positive is on none of your lists, but I think it must be represented, which is the Scandaval, the great implosion of Vanderpump Rules of 2023. Lay it on me. I did see it when I was researching. I've heard the word and I don't know what it means. Oh, so like I'm fully just giving a 101 seminar.

I should have read PowerPoint. I should have screen shared for all of you. You got it. So for those who don't know, Vanderpump Rules is a reality show that is, like, ostensibly about

the waitstaff at a restaurant owned by Lisa Vanderpump or, like, a series of restaurants, including, like, SOAR, which stands for

Sexy Unique Restaurant. Of course. But they have the same cast, so, of course, like, what happens is they become famous on TV and they're mostly, like, influencers with, like, huge houses in the valley where they, like, started the same cast, so of course what happens is they become famous on TV and they're mostly influencers with huge houses in the valley where they

started with shitty apartments in West Hollywood or whatever. Because of the show they're now rich or they were rich before? Yeah, because of the show. Or not rich-rich, but they're much richer than a cast of waiters should be, but they all still have to kind of work at the restaurants sporadically, so people go to the restaurants to look at them like

zoo animals. Weird situation. And Lisa Vanderpump was a sitting U.S. Congresswoman? Close. She was a real housewife of Beverly Hills, which is essentially the same thing. But she, so basically like naturally what happens is the show kind of becomes like more boring with time because they're, you know,

just rich people who were on TV and kind of performing drama for TV, but they're no longer actual co-workers who were fighting over tips or whatever. Yeah. And on this show, there was a long-standing couple, one of the few stable long-term relationships between a guy named Tom Sandoval

and a woman named Ariana. And basically, it just came out after they were already done filming the most recent season, that in real life, Tom Sandoval was having an affair with a cast member named Raquel Levis. You dirty dog.

Yes, which is why it's called The Scandoval because Tom Sandoval is the main character in The Scandoval. Love it. called The Scandaval because Tom Sandoval is the main character in The Scandaval. Love it. But this just blew up because it was like, how rarely does this happen where a reality TV show that by definition, all the drama

seems kind of scripted and fake and sometimes that's kind of fun, but it never really feels like there's real stakes. And all of a sudden, something happened that was completely real, completely unbeknownst to the camera crew actually like oh they hid it from everybody yeah like no they had to start filming again because they were like oh shit we have to like capture this but like this has no one actually knew and it means like it it like ripped through that fourth wall where it became like real life

drama. And it's like both in reality. What a reality show should be. Yeah. Right. Because usually by season four of a reality show, it's like, I got a peppercorn stuck in my bridge work and that's a three episode

arc. And this was season 13. So like, yeah, this was like late, late, late, late era.

Like everyone was kind of bored. It had not been at the peak of its powers in a very long time. And to just watch something that like felt so real, like Ariana confronting Tom and calling him a narcissist and being like, you know, they found out they, like she found out that they had sex in her bed, like right after she lost a relative and her dog died.

And like, yeah, oh, he's a total shithead. She found out that they had sex in her bed right after she lost a relative and her dog died. Yeah, oh, he's a total shithead. But it just felt like actual human drama that you never get to see because everything is so carefully calibrated and massaged by producers. Poor woman. That sucks. I mean, she's getting a lot of SponCon deals out of it.

But yes, and she is now rid of her shithead cheating partner. I guess if you got to get something out of Tom being such a dirty dog, you might as well. Yellow Tails Isendale dropped $8 million on her. Something like that, I'm sure. When they shot the reunion, which is like part of the ritual of Broadway shows, one cast member had taken out a restraining order against another, the one who'd had the affair with Tom. And so she had to film the reunion

from her trailer. Ian has like the most gobsmacked expression. And this is like what, this is what we all looked like for months. And like, I'm not a huge Vanderpump person, but just watching this explode and unfurl in real life was just like, to quote

my boss, this is my Watergate. Okay. That makes a lot of sense why everyone was so into that. This concludes Allison's seminar in reality television for straight men. But I mean that like, when reality TV very first

started, it was real. With the real world, the first season or two, it was real. I don't think any of that was scripted. And then all of a sudden, all of it is scripted pretty much now. They do shots, they redo reactions and all that. So to get some actual reality in a basically scripted reality show is crazy. And they're aware of how these storylines play out. Like people on reality shows,

like I guess they're like aware of narratives and how things are going to play out, you know? So they even script themselves as far as like how they act on those things. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, and you see like... Go ahead.

Oh, I was just going to say in the latest season of Real Housewives, there's like a little bit of drama where someone is like, oh, well, I didn't know there was going to be camera crews when I came over. And so like she was upset that she was like blindsided by camera crews. And you get these like little glimpses where it's like, yes, these people are very aware that they are performers. And sometimes that can kind of be fun. Like Selling Sunset is so fake that it's like kind of funny and absurd. absurd. But again, just getting that little glimpse of like, oh, this is what reality TV felt like in 2005.

And now we're back. We have a channel that just plays the challenge. I watch it a lot. On cable? There's a challenge channel? We have two. Pluto or something. We have all those channels. There's one that just plays the challenge.

It's all real because there's nothing for them.'s no storyline it's just they could they get hammered and compete in these contests or whatever so all it is is them getting drunk and making just being bad roommates and that where you're like okay this is reality there's no storyline there's no narrative nothing they're just they're just like get hammered be hot do these things and it's it's always got a tattoo to my lower back dude get hammered be hot kind of like baddies of the east if you guys are involved in the zeus world how much and this goes to all three of you isaac and claire four of you how much would it cost for you to get get hammered be hot tattooed somewhere visible on your body arm you know i don't even

know how to less than a lot of other tattoos yeah it's like what are we starting with because I have no tattoos so this would be 500 grand it's got to be a new forearm for 500 grand I would do that not like on my neck

500 yes your neck is like 2 million dollars would you do it for 2 million dollars on your neck yes I would too 500, yes. Your neck is like $2 million. Would you do it for $2 million on your neck? Yes. Yeah. I would too. Yeah, $2 million.

My extremely 30-something answer is like in my head, I'm doing the math of like, what's a down payment on a house? Yeah. In the Los Angeles real estate market. How far does this get me? Yeah, so 600 grand. It has to be an amount of money

that I don't feel like I could get to within a few years. I'm trying to think if I would show up with the money. So maybe I wouldn't do it for 500. But do, yeah, do millions. Isaac, if your Alfa Romeo was free, would you have Get Hammered be hot, like stitched onto

the red leather seats on the inside and then also painted on the hood? And then a Dasani logo on the side. No. I mean, even if it wasn't that expensive, it was a used car. I must emphasize that. Don't tell them, Isaac.

Don't do that. Don't do that. Especially with this red leather. You know the state of the used car market in America these days? Yeah, come on, man. That's not saying much. Used by the weekend, probably,

with all that red leather in there. Man, if you had Get Hammered and Be Hot on the hood of your used Alfa Romeo, holy fuck. Oh, my God. You should only be able to buy a used Alfa Romeo with Get Hammered, Be Hot somewhere on the inside of it.

Yeah. I mean, people have put more obnoxious things on an Alfa male for free. What's with all the little anime characters? I'm not asking Isaac, just because. I'm not asking this just to you. Isaac, while we got you.

While we have you here, that one Asian person on this podcast. What's with this other entirely different country's influence on kind of nerdier white people? No, what is it? There's like this bumper sticker phenomenon

that's happened in the last 10 years where it's like little anime characters peeking out from windows and stuff. I don't know. If anyone knows, hit me up in the comments.

Are you talking about like Lil Uzi Vert's car? Smash that like button. Yeah, it's like Lil Uzi. It's exactly. It's like Lil Uzi Vert's car. I don't have... People love anime, man.

People love anime. People do love anime. You see Lil Uzi Vert is leaving rap music to become a regular person and design clothes? Yeah, that makes sense. Lil Uzi Vert didn't start rap music as a regular person.

And designing clothes seemed kind of at odds with each other. I think he's so far down the rabbit hole that is what he thinks. That's his version of working at the docks. Yeah, I'm going to be normal and turn into a fashionista. I just want a regular life, man.

Designing high-end clothing for dogs. I don't want to have to install a jewel in my forehead. Yeah, yeah. I just want to be LV the designer. Is that complicated? Yeah, kind of. I want

to be like Rick Owens, just a regular down-to-earth guy. I just want to live in a big yurt with my adopted kids that are older than me. Just like everybody else, it's not a big deal. I'm going to dinner in a year tonight. Are you? Yeah.

It's like, you're going to wear a button up your to dinner. It's this restaurant. They said they were going to get, they said they were going to get the Michelin star, but it's not in Denver proper, but they have a heated yurt and we're all going to dinner. And I got to go to the heated yurt.

I'll tell you. I can't explain why this feels like extremely Colorado core to me, but it does. It's Colorado as fuck is the most. Yeah. We could have gone inside. And then my whole group was like, no,

we got to eat it in the year. I'm like, it's so fucking cold. Right. They say it's heated. What are you going to order for the yurt after dinner? So it's time for my next pick. Yeah,

go ahead. Oh, all right. Everyone, everyone pull over because you're laughing so hard. I'm sorry that these three are playing it cool. Do you think we didn't hear you getting that yurt shirt joke up earlier?

If it would have been acknowledged, you would have saved yurt self from that pun. I was laughing my ass off, Sean. I was laughing my ass off on mute. You know what you could get for the yurt is a frozen yo-yurt. I was going to make thatyurt I was gonna make that pun and I was like it's too

low-hanging fruit but I'm glad someone got it I don't want to hurt your feelings but these jokes fucking suck alright no they don't these are great if everybody was this funny then yeah then what then what

then what I guess then then I wouldn't stick out so it stopped being Yeah. Then what? Then what? Then what would happen? Lay it out. Keep going. Lay it out. I guess then I wouldn't stick out. So it stopped being as funny as them. I don't know. I think it's great when you beat a yurt self. Man. There he is.

You're going to have to take a couple plays off. It didn't feel good. I don't love it. Penalty box. I like hanging out with you guys, though. Can we keep talking about Lil Uzi Yurt? Or are we done with that? I think that it's probably to rest.

I think one more will work itself in before we're done. Yeah, I think it's got like an off-timing one. Like you wait two picks and then come back. Yeah, you're right. Good Yurt. David? I'm going to go. So I usually, I'm going go so I usually

I'm gonna go to social media this is just a trend that was everywhere for a brief moment in time and I had so much fun I watched so much of it I'm taking the grimace Jake oh yeah it was so creative there were so many funny ones

and it's yeah I like to watch people die in different ways yeah dude my brother-in-law and my nephews made such a good Grimace Shake video it's up on my TikTok if you want to go see it but I had no idea what it was about my nephew told me just about

this whole Grimace Shake movement and I was like I was hooked for probably a day like the most amount of time. Yeah, it was great. I would pay the $500,000 that would otherwise go to be tattooed on my neck

to hear the McDonald's marketing team meeting where they're like, great news, guys. The Grimace Shake is going viral. Less great news. The joke is that it kills people. For a bad reason.

I think they weren't thrilled about it. But you couldn't get one. I mean, they were sold out everywhere. We couldn't. Rob had to drive to like five different places and they didn't have one. So he made his own. He couldn't find one in Portland. He faked it. He's fraudulent. Grimace. That's how you die.

Oh, yeah. Dude, do not check. Not ethically sourced grimace. No. Well, don't just get them from some fentanyl dealer. Black market grimace. Moonshine grimace shakes. You can't be doing that.

That's people go blind. Grimace shakes to get the purple color. Listen, if you need a grimace shake, my brother-in-law will give you a little. He'll give you a thimble full of Grimace Shake for free. The rest, you're going to have to pay for. You got to meet them on the docks, though, because they're coming right off the boat. If you want more Grimace Shake, then you're going to have to pay for more Grimace Shake. But the first taste is free.

So, just saying. It was a reminder of the beautiful, horrible reality that is everyone's kind of funny, and that's enough entertainment for most people. Now, if it goes viral, you're like, damn it. It's just, it's like there was nothing to it.

Like it didn't feel loaded in any way, shape or form to me. It wasn't like tied to some morality thing. It was, it wasn't like, you should feel this about the gray. It was just like, here's a bunch of people sipping that thing and dying.

And that's really, that's really fun. I had a lot of fun with it the best that social media is capable of yeah but it's also this it reminded you that it could still be fun it could still be a fun creative place there's 7 billion people on earth everybody has a moment where they're funny enough

to be the person who's funny enough to make you not go see a movie you know what I mean it's like that's like horrifying for like what we've chosen to do for a living. But at the same time, it's like, well, I also get to watch these Grimace Shake videos and that's great because now I'm one of those people not going to see a movie. You know, our industry is quickly changing in a scary way. But that was a good time.

Yeah, that was a great time. And I'll take that. Good enough for me. The Grimace Shakes. Excellent pick. And I'll take that. Good enough for me. The Grimmish Eggs. Excellent pick. Time for my third pick. I'm going to stay in something that started in the real world, but then really blew up on the internet.

I'm taking Ariana DeBose's song at the BAFTAs. I don't even know. That was this year. I don't even know what this year is. Was that the rap? Was that when she rapped? Yeah. Anna, girl, you were green and blonde.

Ariana DeBose, who is an extremely talented actor and Broadway performer, did this rap at the BAFTAs where she praised all the female nominees that year. It was this empowerment thing, but she was so out of breath the entire time. And it was just weird. The whole thing was written weirdly. I think it was supposed to be done like one of those ballroom drag show like Vogue rap kind of things.

As a rapper, I'll tell you, it's hard to perform a rap song. It's hard to get up there. And when you got so many screaming fans, I know she didn't, but it's hard to rap and keep your breath, man. Absolutely. I get it. Once again, Allison will explain a bit of gay Twitter culture. The

couplet that really stuck in everyone's head was Angela Bassett did the thing. Pronounced like that in a weird cascading lilt. It was Angela Bassett did the thing. Viola Davis, my woman king!

Which, I cannot, I'm not putting the sauce on it that Ariana did, but, like, it was... Are you watching it, David? It was a moment in time. I can see you sitting there. It looked like somebody was gutting a fish in front of you. I just listened to some of it, and

we are still the best country at rap. I do not think. The British get that one. Hey, you know what? Anybody could try to do anything. Yeah. Absolutely. That was a fun that was interesting it the the level of commitment like the commitment to quality gap on it is so funny

because she's so 100 committed to this like just bad like poorly written know. She raps like she hasn't listened to rap since the message came out, which is like a wild, wild 2023 move. I cannot stress enough that this woman has an Oscar. Like she is an Academy Award winning thespian. She meant well and she was in a good mood. Yeah. You know.

And it was this, there was also this mess of aphorisms. You know what I mean? Like, Jamie Lee, you are all of us. Like, it was this very, like, surface level empowering kind of thing. Like, this 1996 level of feminism washed over the entire thing. At the same time, It was just so perfect and funny. And it became something that everyone made fun of,

but in a way that they loved. In a way that was, I think, fueled, eventually, purely by love. Angela Bassett! Angela Bassett! And her weird little dance moves! She has this terrible choreography!

You should have just gone full Broadway, right? I was like, she was also really like, she took it like a champ. She was like, I'm glad everyone enjoyed this. It was meant to be kind of campy. I know it's taking on a life of its own. I'm just glad people are, you know, seeing and having fun.

Like she wasn't like cranky that people misunderstood her art, which people can be. Well, because she ain't missing any meals. I mean, like, you know, that's all right. She's't cranky that people misunderstood her art, which people can be. She ain't missing any meals. That's all right. She's no worse for wear. Why would you care? It's fun. You say that, but there are people who are absolutely

who have been terrible sports about stuff like this, and she was not. I don't know. I guess I never understood that. It's like the lowest stakes with that thing. If someone's like, oh, you look ridiculous. She's like, I know. I was rapping the lowest stakes with that thing if someone's like oh you look you look ridiculous like i know i was rapping i'm not a rapper anyone of course i did it's fun it was fun you know i'm glad she was good sport about it was what the audience reaction shot

during it was so funny i yeah they said they had the one girl lady where she said they she'd said her name and she was like oh like yeah didn't see they can't hide their reaction from like how sweaty the entire thing is like watching it and how like barely it works it's all just it's all a testament to the difficulty of live performance guys that's a hard thing to just go out and do. And I'm on her side. Completely. Everyone ended up on her side. But in a way that was like, wow. It's also Michelle Yeoh's best performance of the year was looking touched during that.

I think that's good. Oh, thank you. Oh, I made it. I made it into the Ariana DeBose rap. It was just beautiful. It was like much like the Grimace thing. It was just this beautiful moment of celebration of something

that was immediately camp in a very honest way. Sean, your third and fourth pick. Since we're being silly, I'll go the silly route too. I'm going to take the coming and going of the Big Red Boots. Oh, the Mischief Boots. It was such a big swing.

I was so mad at it at first for probably about a day or two. I was like, this is so... I remember I was upset and I was like, this is what we're doing. And it really only took me about a day to be like, who cares? It's so goofy and fun. And if somebody wants to do it, go nuts. And then they went away. They did not stick around.

They came back. Are they packing? Then there were some mischief crocs. They did big yellow mischief crocs? I never saw those. They were just big oversized crocs, just like the boots. They're yellow classic crocs,

but they're the same size as the mischief boots. I never saw those. I'm immediately fine with those. I mean, I don't know. I guess it's a meet where I'm like, why would I get mad about that? Why do I care with everything going on? If somebody wants to wear big old red boots, courtside at a Laker game, let them wear big old red boots, courtside at a Laker game. What's it hurting me? It's hilarious. If anyone thinks it's dope, goodaker game. What's it hurting me? It's hilarious. If anyone thinks it's dope, good for you. It's crazy to me. You know this mischief company.

They're the ones who did that like Lil Nas X shoe, you know, like the devil one. Yeah, those are funny too. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. The one that really was pissing everyone off. They have the shoe that you can wear like backwards or forwards. Like their whole thing, their company's name is mischief. And that's their whole thing. They just kind of try to do like backwards or forwards. Like their whole thing, their company's name is Mischief and that's their whole thing. They just kind of try to do like mischievous.

They're like in the... Throw a stick in the spokes a little bit. Exactly right. They have these like Vans shoes that I think they've been like sued for that look like they're like they're wavy. They're like the Vans like waves, but they've made them like extremely wavy. It's fun. I mean, they just, yeah.

Do it. Go nuts. Do all of it. If someone's going to buy it, let them buy it. Let them wear it. What do I care? Maybe she looks like Everlastic Obstoppers. I just support all innovation in menswear that encourages men to wear things that are not the same, like four silhouettes.

Go nuts. I've been wearing pretty jeans and tongued sneakers my whole life. So i get it i'm so scared to step outside of the box it's not even funny so when i see someone else step outside of the box you know what you should wear big red cartoon boots dude you should be out there look you should start dressing like astro boy exactly i remember when i was when i was in like I was in like high school or something and word on the street was bell bottoms were coming back and I remember

getting really really nervous for a while because I was like that means I have to wear a bell bottom which is crazy that you think like that but you don't but I remember being like shit I gotta wear bell bottoms I'm gonna have to do that and then you know I didn't but you ever catch yourself having made an effort where you're too

far away from your house to do anything about it oh yeah like a bad man god that's the worst now you're fucking you're like at dinner with people you don't know and you're wearing salmon pants you're like oh god you gotta go do stand-up and you're like i hate how i look i hate it i've done it where I got on the bus. I'm like, I'm on the bus. I can't get home. I'm on the bus. And I'm wearing this jacket. I'm wearing a jean jacket that I don't like. I can't be doing this. I had the opposite happen this year where I was invited to a wedding at City Hall. And I was like, okay, it's a City Hall wedding. I'm'm gonna literally take the train there and wear comfortable shoes

and then i showed up and it was a full like 90 person lovely reception with a band and flowers and i was like this is not the city hall wedding that was described to me no that is not your fault they show if they didn't tell you that that is their fault and i'm sorry if they are listening you got to tell people if they need to dress up for a city hall wedding for sure you know to me they were like they did not make me feel uncomfortable or out of place in the slightest but i was just like oh i didn't pack a change of shoes like yeah i miscalculated i've never gone to city hall ready to no well you've only gone to city hall ready to overturn the mayor right and and protest the results of an election. Yeah, well, I mean, I went to the big City Hall to do that one. On the big side of the country.

Anniversary in a couple days here for you. Happy anniversary. God, I stole it from Ric Flair. The best Ric Flair interview. I live in the big house on the big side of town. I was once, I went to school when I was going to Portland State University. I've told you guys this before. I decided to do a bandana. I did like a bandana tied around my head with like a white button down shirt and khaki shorts.

And I left the house thinking like killing it, killing it. You look like fucking Bruce Springsteen. Amazing. Was it thin like the boss style? Thin rolled bandana. And I walked in it like I, all these people saw me. It was like a beautiful spring day, crowded park blocks. I'm just like soundtrack in my head.

You know what I mean? Just like born to run plan. And I walk into this, uh, it was like the improv class, which like half the wall was mirrors. You know what I mean and I walk in and then like I step into the class and I'm surrounded by mirror images of myself from all angles

and I'm like oh no not one of these angles works I look ridiculous you know what sucks about that is like you can't admit defeat in the way that you can't take it off now you gotta be like I'm wearing this today. I couldn't be like, oh, that was my walking around bandana.

I'll take it off now. I just do it because I get hot. It's raining out. I had to have it on, but it's fine in here. I was going to say, at least you can remove a bandana. That's editable. That's true. You don't need to sub anything in for a bandana.

Whereas if your pants are off, you can't just remove your pants lest you risk public and decent leverage. I could remove the bottom half of those pants. I could rip those off. Just talk to bottom. Incredible outfit. I've left the house in a shirt that's a little too young on me

where it's like summer and it's like jeans and a t-shirt. But the shirt, if I'm just standing straight up, comes right up to my boxer line, you know, stuff like that. So my pants either have to be up to my almost belly button or I have to pull the shirt down every second. It's not anyway. I've often left with too many colors on. For sure. I'm like, hold on!

I look like a Rastafarian flag right now. Maybe relax. Sean, hopefully we'll see you on Mischief Boots, but what are we going to see for your fourth pick? I'm going back to TV. I'm going to pick The Fall of the House of Usher. Oh! I thoroughly enjoyed The Fall of the House of Usher. I thoroughly enjoyed The Fall of the House of Usher.

It is just a fun little romp. Creative. It's the guy that did... Did they talk about left eye in this? Is it about his road to performing at the Super Bowl? What's the story with this? It's about the Vegas residency. Is it about herpes?

Vegas residency. Is this a herpes story? I mean, usher dated chili, not left eye. They could talk about Andre Rison. Now you're getting defensive because you didn't get the joke at first. I got the joke. Now you're getting defensive because you didn't get the joke.

You're getting defensive because you did the wrong joke. It should have been an Andre Rison joke. Of course, I'm defensive because one of my best friends in the world just called me out in front of dozens of people. I don't know why I'm forgetting the name of the other show that he did, but it's just fun.

Just fun, scary little shows. Maddie Saracen's in it from Friday Night Lights. Good little watch. Did anybody see it? I missed that one, but I did love Haunting of Hill House. Midnight Mass. He knows how to do it. I missed that one, but I did love Haunting of Hill House. Like another one of the shows he did. Midnight Mass.

He like knows how to do it. And like the crazy like metadrama thing is that the Usher show is the last one that he's ever going to make for Netflix because Amazon poached him. Which is like huge L for the, it's more like the fall of the house of Sarandos. Am I right? Come on. now we're now we're doing bits but yeah I'd only heard good things

I know it's like an Edgar Allen Poe like every individual episode is a riff yeah oh it's a riff on Poe yeah

and they kind of set up how in the first episode they kind of set up how the whole show is going to go so you know what's going to happen at the end of every episode is there an ape that murders anyone in any of the episodes? yes there is

okay so they really are playing the they do every episode I mean I only know like the raven and the pendulum are like the only two I know off top there's another what's another the telltale heart telltale heart yeah yeah they do them all top. There's another, what's another? The Telltale Heart. Does anyone get ripped up in a basement?

Yeah. Yeah, they do them all. And I, so after the episodes, I looked up like what most of them were and I'm like, oh yeah, I know what they're doing. The Pit and the Pendulum is very literal. And yeah, but it's fun. It's just a fun show. Pretty low stakes,

you know, it's like Succession where everybody dies. Yeah, because it's about like a Sackler type family, right? It's like a Succession as family, yeah. Are they pharmaceutical? Yes. Yeah, I forget the...

But yeah, all young Maddie Saracen sells a soul to the devil essentially to get a successful pharmaceutical company. The devil's played by carla gugino do you say gugino or gugino gugino sounds hilarious to me so i always say gugino i think it's gugino it is gugino right gugino would be such a funny name for a significant period of my life i was hoping it would end up carmel but uh it didn't pan out that way carla carmel yeah it feels this feels like a real GIF situation.

And I'm not realizing, I've never heard the name said out loud, but I say Gugino in my head, which is the funnier option. Gugino. Gugino. Yeah, Gugino sounds so funny. Sean Gugino? Come on. If it was the House of Gucci, it would be, Carla Gugino.

If we use the House of Gucci dialect dialect I never saw the House of Gucci either But yeah, follow the House Usher Well, that's a whole other conversation I'm going to take the holdovers for my fourth pick Oh, so good My favorite movie of the year so far That's a big endorsement I'm really excited to watch it

Man, it was everything you wanted it to be I was really happy to watch it. Man, it was everything you wanted it to be. I was really happy with it. Just classic, like Alexander Payne, your boy, Paul Giamatti throwing heat, dude throwing 150

miles an hour. Maybe his best role. I like, I just love everything about, in my opinion, just, I mean, sideways isn't it? Okay, no, it's the second best role. I just love everything about... In my opinion, just... I mean, Sideways is... Okay, no. It's his second best role. I don't know. I didn't... I think it's his second best role. You didn't think Sideways was that great? I should rewatch it, but I remember watching it being like,

whatever. I didn't get what all the fuss was about. That movie single-handedly damaged sales of Merlot for years. You have to respect the legacy. I do remember. I'm not going to trick-fuck Merlot. I don't have to respect the legacy. I do remember. I'm going to drink vodka Merlot. I don't know. This movie is good,

and it's also a warm hug without being schmaltzy in any way. It's at a boarding school. The grand tradition of movies that happen at Eastern boarding schools. It's wintry. It's cozy. It's heartbreaking.

It's heartwarming. It's everything. I don't know i just really really really really loved it i can't wait to watch it again i can't wait to watch it like every december for the rest of my life what is a boarding school is it just like uh you go there to get rebounds that's right learn how to learn how to properly live in the paint. It's where Kawhi Leonard went. It's a school where your kid goes, where they live there for the school year. And it's, are they co-ed or is it just like...

In the movie, it's a boys' school. Well, famously, British people do this from age five because they're allergic to emotions. So they have other people raise their children for them. But there are a bunch in New England. When I went to college on the East Coast, I was like, there are all these proper nouns I've never heard of,

but there are 14 people in my class who went to somewhere called Andover. And that was how I learned about this. Oh, yeah. But as the child of a curmudgeonly humanities educator who was frequently

compared to Paul Givati's character in Sideways when I was growing up, Holdover's really hit for me personally. I'm excited to see it. I've heard nothing but fantastic things. You're going to love it. I don nothing but fantastic things you're gonna love it I don't know

it's also a movie that okay I don't think we're gonna talk about Wonka during this movie doesn't seem like it that's the movie I saw yesterday I watched it at home you know what I love about the holdovers is it has ugly people in it

there are ugly people in this movie. Dana and I watched the original Charlie and the chocolate factory movie last night. Almost everybody's ugly. Everyone in that movie is ugly looking. They're, they're all fucked up. They have fucked up teeth.

They're weird. They have weird little British faces. They look weird. And then the new Wonka, like everyone's gorgeous. Timothy Chalamet is gorgeous. Like the young, the, like, everyone's gorgeous. Timothee Chalamet's gorgeous. Like, the young girl in it's gorgeous. Like, Sally Hawkins is gorgeous.

The Oompa Loompas is hot. It's Hugh Grant. Right. The Oompa Loompas, some of them are good looking, like, you know, but a lot of them are fucked up looking the way everyone else in that movie

is fucked up looking. And it works because everyone is fucked up looking. And in this new Wonkaka the candy scenes are CGI so I don't even, there's not even that fun like imagining what if that stuff was real because you know it's all computer and I know that's like a silly difference to make

but like the neon whipped cream pies and hook were real so they looked appealing and if it's CGI I'm like I don't give a fuck. That was the first thing we talked about when we walked out of the theater was like man in the first one i was i could imagine myself in there picking up because everything they picked up stuff and ate it for real you could see the buttercup and then ate the cup the mushroom with like the cream in it you know what i mean those like weird like balloon things they've been into it was gummy yeah yeah the giant gummies it was

amazing and at wanka it's all. There's lazy fat jokes in it, which if you're going to do a Roald Dahl fat joke, do at least a good one. Don't have like Keegan-Michael Key out there embarrassing himself. Is that what that is? Yeah. Well, he keeps getting fatter and fatter throughout the movie. Oh, you don't mean like it's a slight to Roald Dahl.

You mean like that's lazy. I just think if you're gonna do the like the heart like the the nasty mean-spirited roll doll jokes like fucking do you know what i mean he did him and he was still beloved but and like i don't know i just thought wonka because those i love those paddington movies and i just thought it missed the mark so hard and it just bummed me out and timothy chalamet is not weird enough he had the energy of the hot kid in a high school play who knows he's hot and he knows he's doing something weird

and then he winks at his girlfriend in the audience and i love timothy chalamet he's very talented too he's just not walking we texted about this he's just not walking that's my that's my walker rant i just thought it failed on every mark stop putting hot people in weird stuff. And the holdover didn't do that.

Brother, say it again. Stop putting hot people in weird stuff. Put weird people in weird stuff. Put weird people in hot stuff. Yes, that's the move. That's what I want, hot stuff. Let's redefine hot. Yeah, I think Divine Joy Randolph is so good in this movie.

I'm so glad that she's getting a look like this. Also, TV's own Carrie Preston, catch her in Ellsbeth on CBS next year, is so good as Paul Giamatti's little crush in the movie. Apparently the kid, the guy who plays the teenager, is an actual kid from the drama club at the school they were shooting at. Oh my god, that's awesome.

And cast him that way. Yeah, great. I saw some Letterboxd review that was like it made me wish that theater served hot cocoa. That is how it felt for sure. It ruled. The Holdovers is great if you haven't seen it go see it

David time for your fourth pick I don't give a shit I'm taking it fourth say whatever you want I'm taking the god damn Denver Nuggets winning the 76 NBA championship god damn it it was amazing I don't give a shit they counted us out

we had TV contract issues in a year where it was first time winners for all four of the major sports championships i think this is by far the best story 10 20 and 30 game one nicole yokich no one ever did that not even lebron amazing a team of fucking goofballs and weirdos we had a goddamn canadian you have a drunk you have a drunk party coach who gets wasted wearing jeans and come on i mean the canadians jamal murray right yeah yeah yeah i was at the fucking parade it looked like malone was gonna start rapping like if he had just started rapping NBA young boy, I would have been like, yeah, that's the vibe here. Nobody

even likes us. We're a team of fucking goofballs and we want it. You got a horse racing star player who might be the best offensive player in the history of the NBA. I don't think he even likes basketball. It seems like he doesn't. He just wanted to leave.

You got a six'10 small forward who might not believe in science in any meaningful way, but he's still out there doing his thing. At all? At all? Come on. And also, the whole finals, it was like, it felt like a, it was like us in Miami was the finals that

nobody wanted, right? Nobody wanted that. No, nobody wanted that. And it was a great finals. I watched it in two fucking countries. Yeah. Two countries. So, yeah, that's just for me. And I took it fourth.

Could I have caught it fifth? 100%. I would have taken it all five of my picks if it was the Blazers. I admire your restraint. Well, I feel like this is like the new like running bit where Sean takes the pics that are arguably not pop culture and I feel like you've also done sports stuff before like wasn't there the one

where it was the dudes like fighting in the stands nugs and yeah sons and four yeah I mean that's hilarious that one yeah I feel like sports are your province as someone who famously worked at a site dedicated to the intersection of sports and pop culture for the better part of a decade, I respect this. Thank you.

I had to do it. Absolutely. I had to do it. I love these guys. Nicole Jokic looking like Bobby Hill out there. God. So splotchy. He looks so tired at the ends of games

and then he just had nothing good to say he was like it's good we did a job and then he was like when's the parade and they were like Thursday he's like oh no I have to get home I have to break horses and it was the first time

I've been in cities when they've won the teams have won i was in san francisco a couple times i was here when the haves won and shit like that but to be around everybody in denver i don't know for me it was huge and i'm taking it forth amazing pick allison time for your fourth and then your final picks. All right. For my fourth pick, I'm going to go for one of my favorite movies of the year. Another micro-tradition of mine. Todd Haynes' May December, starring Natalie Portman and Julianne Moore. And Charlton, or Charles Melton. It's almost a Charlton Heston.

Different guy. What a fucking flick. Yeah, what a fucking movie. I didn't have any expectations for the guy from Riverdale coming in to this movie. And he fucking blew me away. What's wild is...

He was so good. He gained 40 pounds for the role. And that's what that man looks like after he gains 40 pounds. I didn't look at him and be like that guy gained weight like he just looks like a guy he should have kept that to himself i actually now don't like him in the movie very much but todd haynes is one of my favorite directors velvet goldmine specifically is one of my favorite movies of all time i like every movie he's ever done but

he has not done like for lack of a better term that gay shit in like a while like yeah you know since carol but even like carol's like about gay women but a pretty straightforward movie like he hasn't done something like weird in like the vein of safe or poison or anything like that and it's this movie where like i cannot think of a movie that balances tone better like it is about the most fucked up volatile thing possible um it's based on the mary kay letourneau story where a teacher had an affair with a 13 yearyear-old student and Natalie Portman plays a... They do not shy away from that.

And Natalie Portman plays an actress who's studying them 18 years later to try to play the woman in a movie. And it is so funny and it is never laughing at the wrong things, but it has such a fucked fucked up perverse

sense of humor but also like very clearly understands like what it is about and what is a miss here and the power dynamics and it's built around three like absolutely titanic performances and like i love that it's on netflix and so this very weird, challenging movie is like... I saw memes about it constantly for weeks after it hit the service, which I was not expecting. It was in the top 10. It was in the top 10 of movies on Netflix for a week or so. I mean, okay.

Do you believe that that's the top 10? Or do you believe they just make it what they want it to be? Come on. They're a publicly traded corporation. So if they're caught lying about that, someone might go to jail. So I do believe that. Wait, Allison, did you hear him say,

come on, after though? When he said, come on? I don't know if I believe it. I don't know if I'm doing it to me. Yeah, man, that movie, talk about being on the edge of your seat. You never get comfortable. Never get comfortable.

Yeah, everybody crushed it, too. Yeah, man. Yeah, I really, I really. Not going to watch it again for a while because I felt so uncomfortable, but really loved it. Really loved it. Well, I've only watched it in a theater. I haven't even watched it since it, like, hit Netflix.

And I'm like, I love that I can just, like can just like throw this on also back to the top 10 thing like what i'm pretty sure happened is that all the teens who saw riverdale on netflix and made that the most popular show ever were like riverdale guys in a new movie let's see what's going on and then they get this which is just it also just like ends on this like perfect little sucker punch of a fucked up joke oh my god all that for this and like i love i love the like the way they play it like you know julianne moore is a terrible person she plays the former teacher you're like she did this horrible thing like obviously and then for like most of the movie you're like is natalie portman worse is she like a more terrible person than this person who did like one of the worst things you could ever do yeah which is a testament to how hard she crushed because yeah you do start feeling

like i remember i was watching i was like who who's who's the ultimate villain? Yeah. Who's the real bad guy? I felt like it was Natalie Portman. I feel like it was Natalie Portman. At least she was sharp-headed We were just closer to, we were closer to what she did, though. You know what I mean? There had been the,

I don't know, the whole movie was so good. Yeah, and she hurt other adults, which is the one thing Julianne Moore didn't do. Oh. What Charles Melton is like confronting Julianne Moore and he's like the way he's holding his body oh man it makes me feel so it's like nonsense Anthony Hopkins in

in what is the Ishiguro movie they made I think you're thinking of Bad Company the one with Chris Rock it's Trolls 3. Not never. Oh my God. Remains of the Day. Anthony Hopkins and the Remains of the Day. It's like that level of physical discomfort.

That exact kind. I think he should be nominated for an Oscar. I hope he is. He was so good. The scene where he's smoking weed on the roof with his kid. And you're like, this is both so funny. It is good comedy

and so wholesome and so sad and just it has empathy for all the right people at all the right moments, but also has this little nasty, wicked, trollish sensibility to it.

It's so naughty. I'm going to re-watch it three times, and I'm going to see new things every time. Yeah. Excellent pick. And your final pick? Alright, I gotta go with a bang. I wasn't really sure how to phrase this, because I don't want to say the strikes

were awesome for anyone. So maybe I'll say like the resolution of the wga strike because that felt great but like you you can't talk about pop culture this year without talking about the fact that like hollywood wasn't working for half the year and like you know and the late night shows were off and drew barrymore got canceled and like all the late night hosts made their own podcast and the people walked out in off and Drew Barrymore got canceled and like all the late night hosts made their own podcast and the people walked out

in the middle of the Oppenheimer premiere and it just like colored everything. And personally, I started at Variety like three weeks before the writer's strike started. So you're welcome for that. But it was really wild.

That's why we voted to strike. Bobbed everyone out. But it was really cool to like, I mean, cool is not the right word, but it was really interesting to kind of have like a front row seat in that way where it was like everyone I was working with was like very directly involved in like monitoring the situation and tracking every development. And, you know,

like it was wild to see like a labor action that involves like Bradley Cooper being like, I can't talk about my movie. But I mean, it was a good thing, right? Ultimately. I mean,

that was, it was a very good thing that happened. Right. Absolutely. I mean, the WGA deals, especially it was like amazing. And like, also just in terms of what people were striking over, it was really amazing. When the strike started, I remember everyone who

knew anything was like, the room minimums are a pipe dream. That's so ridiculous. How could they ask for that? They need to get rid of that right away. Frankly, I have friends who were in the union who said that and were just like, I don't know why we're doing this. This seems ridiculous. We're never going to get it. And six months later, all these things that people said were impossible and certainly would not have been possible unless everyone

put their livelihoods on the line happened. And that was just amazing to watch and very cool that it's in this industry that everyone pays attention to in that way. Yeah, a good thing. I'm stoked. The strikes were, we got a great deal

which felt very good in the long run and kind of set a tone for what SAG ended up getting. That was a lot quicker, right? Their strike was shorter, but it was like access to streaming numbers like that kind of thing which had

before been like locked up and trade secret you know. How do you feel about the AI? Maybe this is not an on-pod conversation. Yeah I know. You know collective bargaining is difficult. But hey the Golden Bachelor was a massive hit

that they pushed forward seemingly because of the strikes and I can't believe they haven't done that before. Yeah, also just like the spectacle of being like, we're putting Yellowstone on CBS. We're out of ideas. Like, we need something. Like, Dune getting pushed. Like, just watching the chaos

unfold was really like, I've never seen anything like that. Netflix's new lineup, HBO from six years ago. I thought it was a big deal. I thought there were new episodes of Ballers on Netflix. Have you seen it?

You and Elizabeth Warren were like strapping. Laura, it's happening. Netflix got their hands on it. Now they're never going to stop. They turned the movie Australia, the Baz Luhrmann 2008 movie Australia, and now they're like,

they've cut it up into several pieces and now they're trying to sell it as a new TV show called Far Away Dance. Have you seen that? No, that sucks. I've not seen it, but they did that. They cut Blackberry into like a miniseries, quote unquote, for AMC.

It's like a whole thing that people do now where they're like, the movie's a TV show. Sure. Blackberry rules, by the way. Yeah, Blackberry was really good. I liked it. David, your final pick. Okay. Final pick.

I am going... Cha-cha-cha-cha-cha Oh! I'm gonna, an arrest in the murder of Tupac. Oh yeah! They arrested Kifidi, a guy who's kind of said he's done it a bunch of times A lot of times. Low-key DJ

Vlad solved the case, according to him, but like, yeah, that's amazing. Like, the fact that to him. But like, yeah, that's amazing. Like the fact that however long it's been, they fucking actually arrested. I can't understand how it didn't happen sooner. I really can't. When you read about it and you're like,

why didn't that happen? They're like, I don't think they finally actually gave a fuck. Well, maybe they did. I don't know, but it didn't feel like, like this guy's been saying it for a long,

long time. And then he got that, uh, what did they call it? The queen for a day thing. And then he just kept saying it. Whatever. An arrest in the murder of Tupac. That's pretty amazing.

Shot her around the world. Yeah. My world. I saw everybody talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. That was one thing. Laura sent me the article.

That was how I first heard about it. I was like, no. I mean, what a crazy thing. I've watched a sent me the article. That was how I first heard about. I was like, no, I mean, what a crazy thing. I've watched a bunch of the interviews. It almost, you almost kind of feel like he wanted to, I don't know, man. It's, it's a weird situation. You keep saying like, it was like, well, it was a revenge yet because he like did all, you know, X, Y, Z to. Oh, that brother.

Yeah. Yeah. He's been bragging about but it's just like it's also like a weird intersection of like what's going on with being like podcast infamous and shit like that you know what i mean when it's like whoa this is like this kind of happened because of internet journalism right because of youtube videos and say cheese tv and fucking dj vlad type shit it was just like yeah yeah it was just like a really wild it's a really wild thing nothing in biggie's murder though not yet but they'll get sean eventually

put that evil on me January 6th fine but yeah the arrest of Keefy D time for my final pick kind of torn here there's three really big ones I want to take I'm gonna but I'm gonna take Olivia Rodriguez just in general just in general I'm taking

her album I'm taking her like performances on SNL I'm taking her album. I'm taking her performances on SNL. I'm taking just her in general. Dana listened to it and then I started to be like, what is this? And then I was like, it's pretty catchy actually. And now it's like the main thing I listen

to at the gym. I'm telling you. It will get in you I mean just the the way the beats they knock you know

and if you can get past the part that you're an adult you're a whole grown adult if you can get past that it's fun music guts rules man it's shit

like that song vampire fucking rules bad idea bad idea right is really good like get him back and I'm like dude

nice try she does like a talk sing where I I normally don't like that but she is really good. Get him back. And I'm like, dude, nice try. She does like a talk sing where I normally don't like that, but she's really good at it and it's fun. There's something about that teenage fuck, like, you know, teenage fuck you music that is so, it's just, it just always hits with like kind of that pop punk angle. Sometimes more poppy than punk.

Sometimes more punky than pop. It's, I don't know. She's saying a lot of stuff that I wanted to say when I was a teenager and I didn't have the guts to I always put myself back and I'm like I wish I would have operated gone to a party and like faced somebody you know all the stuff I was too cowardly to do that's the whole thing with that music and those movies where you're like yeah they're doing

I would do that if I could do it again I wouldn't but you know you think that I've tried to stop worrying about being cool as I approach, rapidly approach 40, which I think is the right time to do it. Yeah, it's not for you anymore. Do you honestly, okay, we all say that we don't care what people think or whatever, but of course I still, I always will a little bit. I don't want to, but I will.

I mean, I go out in the world, I wear what I wear. Like you just stand up the way I do it. Like I, I do care as much as I don't want to. And I always. I mean, I go out in the world, I wear what I wear. You just stand up the way I do it. I do care as much as I don't want to, and I always will, a little bit. Yeah, but I care less with the... I used to sort of signify... I tried to signify who I was through the pop culture I consumed

quite a bit, and I have since stopped trying to do that quite so much. You never stop all the way. Yeah. With Olivia Rodrigo, it's good. The people who really have taste and will judge you for your pop culture will be like, yeah, of course you like Olivia Rodrigo. It's just good music. And the people who would judge you negatively for liking music made by a teenage girl

are not people you want to impress anyway. Exactly. Exactly right. And I'm just like, yeah, fuck it fuck it it rules this is what I'm listening to I'm not actually in the gym listening to like I don't know some challenging you know like experimental hip-hop album that I would have drafted six years ago it's actually this this is actually what I'm

not putting the Andre 3000 flute album on your on your short list no shade to Andre 3000 or his flute album. I didn't get it. I didn't get it either. It was not for me. I tried to get into it. I was like, maybe because it's still Andre. No. He's playing a different sport now, and that's

okay. That's great. It's for him. And if I'm going to listen to flute music. Flute enthusiasts. Yeah, exactly right so yeah Olivia Rodrigo I'll still listen to like Caroline Polachek you know if I want to listen to that kind of music but I'll take

Olivia Rodrigo 99 times out of 100 instead I'm with you playboy not to pit two women against each other Sean your final pick it's really specific but it was really fun for me up 100 instead. I'm with you, Playboy. Not to pit two women against each other. Sean, your final pick. It's really specific, but it was really fun for me and I don't

know if anybody cared a ton, like if the world cared or whatever, but maybe I can't pick this. It is pop culture, but maybe it's too weak. Can I pick Nate Bargetzi hosting SNL? Yeah. Incredibly pop culture. I'm trying not to downplay the success, but for me, and I feel like most

you too, and Allison, maybe yourself as well, but like, he's always been one of my favorite comedians. And I saw him like early on when he very first started. And to see that happen and to see him not only do it, but acknowledge the fact that most people watching probably didn't know who he was immediately. That was like the first laugh. And then he absolutely killed it on the show. And as a whole, maybe like put a colon after it, but like stand up in general,

just feels like that was a really good, fun thing to happen for it because he is a comedian. He's not like he can do other stuff. I know he can. That's the dream stand up rise, right? Yeah. That's about what we all would like to have. He's straight up. It's almost what we all would like to have. He's straight up. It's almost perfect stand-up when he does it.

Just when he performs. And he did it. He's a comedian. He's not like an actor who does stand-up as well or whatever. He's like, he's a comedian. And he's fantastic at it. And he hosted us. And I was just a big like, yeah, tight.

Cool. Maybe this is what musicians feel like when every single time they see a musician on there or something. I don't know. I just got really excited that that happened. I was shocked when I heard he was going to do it. Speaking of the Strikes knock-on effects, SNL Strike era

was like, they had Bad Bunny be the host and the musical guest. That would probably not have happened if they were able to... Eventually, they just said, fuck it, and had Timothee Chalamet do it, even before the strike was officially over. They had a lot of people who

maybe they wouldn't have called if they had Margot Robbie on speed dial. I really like that episode, the sketch where he's in the George Washington Times and they're arguing. One of the best sketches they've ever done ever it's it felt like a stand-up bit you just couldn't

do that stand-up without multiple people I had voices I had British people sending me that that's across across the Atlantic yeah yeah anyway that that uh yeah Nate good job but great pick thanks man uh that does it two and a half hours deep two Yeah, anyway, that, yeah, Nate, good job, bud. Great pick. Thanks, man.

That does it. Two and a half hours deep. Almost three, goddammit. Longer than two and a half. Longer. These are the long ones. These are the annual long ones. The length of John Wick 4. Isaac, do you have a pick? Sure. I'm gonna take something that I didn't enjoy

the actual season of this television show but I enjoyed the TV show overall and I want to celebrate it Ted Lasso season three I have to celebrate Ted Lasso my guy Theodore Lasso I did not enjoy season three unfortunately I actually thought I was one of those people who actually enjoyed

season two season three felt rushed it felt like they were searching for tone the entire season. And it felt like the redemption arc was a little too quick. Allison, I don't know what you think about this. Well, first of all, I'm very glad that even as an ardent fan,

you have the impartiality to be like, you know what? Even I can understand. This was not the note they would have wanted to end on. But for a second, when you were like, I didn't enjoy this TV show, but I thought you were going to talk about the idol and how it was like

objectively a terrible show, but also like such an insane experience. No, no, no, no. I did not watch that television show. But Ted Lasso.

I don't know that. No, no, no. I lived that television show no I'm kidding I you know I can't believe

another show ended this year after eight years of late night dominance and it didn't get taken none of my friends took the late night show hard to not take that personally. Oh, man. There were a lot of finales this year.

Like, we didn't talk about Barry. We didn't talk about Reservation Dogs. Yeah, that was on my list. Reservation Dogs, I think, was on my list the last three years. I have not seen the rest of the season. The Late Late Show will never be off air to me. That's why I didn't pick it. It will always air.

I will always watch at least one episode every night. It's dead. didn't pick it. It will always air. I will always watch at least one episode every night. It's dead. Jesus. Every night. At least. That's on a slow night. It's dead dead. They deaded the brand. Really? Oh, yeah, that's right because yeah. Yeah, they're doing at midnight

now, right? Yeah. I wish them a lot of luck and I mean that sincerely. To recap what we took, Allison, you went first. You took Barbenheimer, Killers of the Flower Moon, Scandival, May-December, and The Strikes. David, you went

second. You took the Taylor Swift Eras Tour, Bottoms, The Grimace Shakes, The Denver Nuggets NBA Championship, and a murder in the, or an arrest in the Tupac murder case. I went third. I took Succession, The Bear, Ariana

DeBose's BAFTA song, The Holdovers, and Olivia Rodrigo. Sean, you went last. You took Jury of Duty, John Wick 4, The Mischief Boots, The Fall of the House of Usher, and Nate Vargasi hosting SNL. We left some good stuff on the board. Oh, yeah.

I thought the Young Fathers album this year was great. Somebody putting over 700 yards on the Broncos for the first time since 1951. Wild. 720 fucking six. Draymond Green. Yeah, LeBron getting the scoring record. Yeah.

I was going to do like a highfalutin like concert films and do the eras toward the Renaissance movie and the reissue of Stop Making Sense. That was going to be my like clever workaround, but David had other plans. It was hard for me to go eras and not

Renaissance, but it was like because Renaissance is kind of more in my wheelhouse, but eras was the bigger.naissance is kind of more in my wheelhouse but eras was the bigger beyonce has an eras tour in her that she just decided not to do it this year but she could do uh hey this is me through right like time and space she also she made 600 million dollars on her tour yeah it wasn't a loss yeah it's just taylor taylor made a billy god that's insane there's a k-pop group called New Jeans that are just killing it.

They're just like everything they put out is a hit. New Jeans, Berman? I like their old stuff better. Shout out to New Jeans. Newman Genome Project. Tattered Jeans. Beef was great. Southside technically started

the last season of 2022 but ended this year Southside's like one of the best TV shows the funniest show, that shit kills me man dude Uncle Spike, the character, Adam Bethune anyways, yeah, there's a lot of good stuff

so good but it was technically 2022 it's like December of 2022 but whatever. You Hurt My Feelings came out this year. I thought that was great. The Last of Us was pretty dank. I had that on my list.

I had Scavenger's Reign, which is this really amazing anime show about people stranded on a foreign planet. That's one of the most... I mean, talk about something you could throw on at home. You could just get stoned and watch it like a screensaver. It's one of the coolest. It's like you're watching a nature doc...

It's on Max, the one to watch. And it's like watching a nature documentary about another planet. It's so, so cool. So I had that. Scavenger's Reign? Scavenger's Reign. And then I also had Zone of Interest,

which is one of the most fucked up movies I've ever seen. I can't. I can't bring myself to watch it. It's so good. I also really liked Past Lives. Past Lives. Yeah. I really liked it.

I don't know why I'm singing in that voice. I cried like a baby. I liked it. Yeah, it was so sweet, though. I really, really enjoyed it. It was a wonderful year. It was a'm singing in that voice. I cried like a baby. Yeah, it was so sweet, though. I really, really enjoyed it. It was a wonderful year. It was a wonderful year in pop culture. Yeah.

I can't wait to do it again next year. Yeah. Pop culture? You guys hear the yurt? I did. Oh, sorry. I grinned. I'm sorry, man.

I'm sorry, pal. I gave you a little grin. I tried to hide it because they don't rhyme that well but you know I promise one more and I gotta give the people what they want I should throw in some canned laughter over that let my man don't let my man go out here I love Lucy canned laughter

I love Lucy had a live studio audience that was part of the charm oh that's right no but we want that we want the can Lucy and Eth but we want that. We want the can. Yes. We want the laughter from them. Yeah, grabbing the chocolates

or stomping the grapes. On this, easily the longest episode ever. Is it? I think so. It might be. We're about to... Part of me wants to stay on

for five more minutes to hit three hours. Please don't. I think part of Isaac doesn't, but I don't know. I can't speak for the man. Please don't. Well, those were our picks. We want to hear yours.

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