Chapo Trap House - 884 - Pool Boys (11/11/24)

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

We start off with some Monkey News, then continue our post-mortem on the 2024 election. Does America have a Boy Crisis? Was $450k a day to put Kamala’s name on the Sphere worth it? How many votes di...d Queen Latifah swing? Are there sharks in the pool? Can Rebecca Solnit construct a metaphor to save her life? Will anyone learn anything from this boondoggle? We discuss.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 All I wanna be is a choco All I wanna be is a choco Greetings, everybody. It's Monday, November 11th, and this is your Chapo. Got me, Felix and Amber joining us today on the show. I was going to start with a different story, but in one of the articles that I have open because I want to talk about it, it's an article on the Hill, but then just in the sidebar with other articles, I just see this headline. Kevin Costner defends Liz Cheney. This woman should never be threatened. To which I say, thank you, Kevin. This woman should never be threatened
Starting point is 00:01:05 Kevin Kofner is offering an impassioned defense of Liz Cheney saying the former GOP Congresswoman who bucked her party With the fierce criticism of President-elect Trump should be applauded. I expect people in government to do the right thing Public service is about public service. It's not about your career It's not about your ego the former Yellowstone star said in a live town hall edition on Monday of the Michael Smirconish program. OK, that's that's the funniest detail that he is Kevin Costner's on the Michael Smirconish show. What were the threats?
Starting point is 00:01:31 Oh, this was this was when this was in Trump said in like the last week of the election when Kamala was out there with Liz Cheney, he was like basically said something to the effect of like all she wants to do is war, put a rifle in her hand. And it's not so easy when you got nine guns pointed at you and people interpreted that as like you know like a firing squad was going to execute her and I was like calm down Trump has done some bad things too we don't need to get I'll go overboard here and praising him but yeah no it's Kevin Costner he's he's defending Liz Cheney from being executed by the state. Still a beast. Can't wait for the movie.
Starting point is 00:02:05 American Horizon, part three, coming soon. But no, the story that I did want to begin with today is a story that got lost in the election shuffle. But I think it's very important. I'd like to start out this show doing some monkey news. Post-election, I'm just going to be stealing bits from other podcasts. So this is your monkey news. This was from last week. One monkey recovered safely. 42 others remain on the run from South Carolina lab. At large? They're at large? 42 monkey. One of... Okay, this is from Columbia, South Carolina. This is the AP reporting. One of 43 monkeys bred for medical research that escaped a compound in South Carolina
Starting point is 00:02:43 has been recovered unharmed, officials said Saturday. Many of the others are still located a few yards from the property, jumping back and forth over the facility's fence, police said in a statement. The Reese's Macaacks made a break for it Wednesday after an employee at the Alpha Genesis facility in Yemasi didn't fully lock a door as she fed and checked them, officials said. The monkeys on Friday were exploring the outer fence of the alphagenesis compound and were cooing at the monkeys inside. The primates continued to interact with
Starting point is 00:03:11 their companions inside the facility on Saturday, which is a positive sign, the police statement said. And I gotta say I was a little... First of all, okay, so monkeys breaking out or something from a disease research laboratory. Never a good story, but the fact that this lab was called Alpha Genesis. Yeah, that's dangerous. That's the Umbrella Corporation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:30 That's like, this might be a PBP scam. That's like what I would name my science lab. Alpha Genesis? So like beginning start? That's fucking stupid. No, this is I If you go in there like they're going to be guys wearing fashion coats over like fashion Nova clothes That's not a real fucking science thing. I promise. Yeah, I'm glad they Escaped I had a friend that did
Starting point is 00:04:06 they escaped. I had a friend that did, she's a neurologist and she did a bunch of, she was working on like schizophrenia drug testing and she worked on little mice and she's like, no I'm really in favor of animal testing because it saves lives and then someone goes, how do you give a mouse schizophrenia? And she goes you know what I changed my mind that day Fucking this isn't that useful Well, I mean I guess the detail about this story that broke my heart is that after the 42 other monkeys escaped They just wanted to hang out with the monkeys that were left in the lab Pressing their little monkey tit up against the glass of the visiting window. Get a little banana with a file in it.
Starting point is 00:04:46 Yeah, they're institutionalized now. All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't get into me. They're like, you know that Fleece Johnson guy? Wait, who? You know, the famous, like, I like you, I want you, so we're gonna do this the easy way or the hard way? The guy who, the booty warrior from the MSNBC lockup. Back when MSNBC put good things on TV. Not like Jen Psaki.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Yeah, no, if you're looking for a more obituary for what happened this election, it's that MSNBC changed their weekend programming from nonstop shows about people in prison to Jen Psaki. Yeah, yeah, but that was a pretty, I would say during the first Obama term, that was a pretty big clip. For some reason, they let this guy out,
Starting point is 00:05:39 even though he's committed thousands of rapes while in prison, but he immediately committed an armed robbery after. And when they talked to him, he was like, well, I was mad that they let me out. And I think the fact that I was parodied on the boondocks had something to do with it. I mean, what do we think? These 42 now masterless monkeys, sort of like Ronan wandering the the wilds of South Carolina?
Starting point is 00:06:09 I mean, like it's not clear in the story whether these monkeys have been infected with any kind of weapons grade virus or anything like that. But well, I think Felix is right. And this is fake science. So if they want to do a scam, just let them hang out there and be like, actually this is a wildlife refuge. It's still tax-deductible. No one will keep them in cages, and you can still do your scam,
Starting point is 00:06:34 just do it without cruelty to animals. Like, Alpha Genesis is so fucking, that is like a company that Steven Seagal would work for, in one of his newer movies. I'm gonna tell you one motherfucking thing about these monkeys. Big man, Big shoulda locked the door when you feed him. But yeah, Alpha Genesis Labs,
Starting point is 00:06:53 do you think that this could just be some guy who wanted to have 40 monkeys just as a pet? And then they're like, oh, if you're doing laboratory research, you can have 42 monkeys in a warehouse. If it was in Ohio, I would be 100% sure. I'm about 98% with South Carolina. This is just a guy who wanted monkeys. And I get it.
Starting point is 00:07:13 I mean, that's the only way you can get a good Reese's Macaque is if you're planning to cut its brain out of its head after you kill it. I mean, French Montana famously had like a pet monkey. And this was in like 2012, you know, when he was just like a moderate, when people were still saying like, can this guy say the N word?
Starting point is 00:07:33 We don't know. Like he was not even that popular back then. I think it depends on the state. I know Ohio has the loosest, loosest exotic animal laws. Ohio has the loosest, loosest exotic animal laws. I doubt South Carolina heavily regulates their animal life. It's monkey brain facilities? Or any monkey facility whatsoever. Hey, any house of a monkey in it is a monkey facility.
Starting point is 00:08:00 But yeah, like those looking for, you know, further election moratoriums, you know, just like look to the monkeys. The monkeys have escaped. Bad things are soon to happen. But I guess it's been it's been about a week now since the election and sort of the the takes have sort of gelled. We're seeing sort of a gelling of the takes and the sort of people looking to ascribe
Starting point is 00:08:25 reasons for this loss by Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. And there's a couple of different things, but I'd like to begin now with just some reactions from voters and this is my favorite item about people who voted for Trump. And it says here, in Scranton on Wednesday, Matt Wolfson, a 45-year-old former construction worker, looked around at poverty in the Rust Belt city and thought the nation needed a change in leadership. Wolfson said he didn't love the dictatorial aspect of Trump's personality, but thought he could help keep the country out of wars
Starting point is 00:08:58 and maybe bring peace to some other conflicts, including Ukraine. He's good and bad. People say he's a dictator. I believe that. I consider him like Hitler, Wolfson said, but I voted for the man. And this is reflected in a listener comment. Oh yes. A listener comment someone shared where he said like his dad is obsessed with the book of Revelations. Yes. He said, I talked to my father yesterday and he said that he had been reading the book
Starting point is 00:09:22 of Revelations and thought that there was a very serious possibility that Donald Trump was the Antichrist, but he voted it for him anyway because he liked his tax policy. Hey, price of eggs, man. Price of eggs actually means a lot. Well, like revelation doesn't, there's nothing in there that's like, don't do this stuff. It's supposed to happen.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Exactly. this stuff. I mean, it's supposed to happen. Exactly. It's got like a revelation is like, you know, you have a revelation. Oh, that girl was flirting with me. Oh, the, oh, John Lovett is sending me messages through John Save John, his one-off pod
Starting point is 00:10:00 on the Pod Save network. Oh, I should try to, I should fly this airplane. You know? Revelations are a good thing, and you're supposed to do them. Yeah. You work towards the revelation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I mean, literally, I was like, whatever. My family are evangelical. They're like, hell yeah, bring it on. I wanna get raptured. Let's move on. Speed it up. Yeah, yeah. Speed it up. I'm sick of this show. Price of eggs. Price of the Red Heifer.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Price of the Red Heifer going up. Now, this is this is the article at The Hill that I was looking at before I got distracted by Kevin Costner's manly defense of Liz Cheney. But here's something that the POD johns have have been communicating. Pod save America. Biden's internal polling showed Trump winning
Starting point is 00:10:46 400 electoral votes. That's not that, like 130 is like, that's more than I've ever gotten. That's true. That's really, it's like, okay, how many people live in California? Like 40 million? Like, yeah, give or take.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Okay, so that map didn't show margins. What if every single person in California had voted for Biden on that map didn't show margins. What if every single person in California had voted for Biden on that map? That's like half his popular vote count from 2020. There you go. And after he won Rhode Island, that's where Family Guy is. That accounts, if you count everyone who's ever, like I'll even, you know, for fairness, I won't say everyone who's ever like I'll even you know I'll for fairness I'll I won't say everyone
Starting point is 00:11:26 who's ever watched Family Guy but like bought it on DVD that's what like 20 million people more probably 30 million people okay so we're almost there and then did he win New York yeah he did we under these projections yeah I mean this is to me, it's like when people are like, oh, my God, like, I bet I could beat Tony Snow in a pickup game. Like, Joe Biden is, you know, he's
Starting point is 00:11:54 closer to Donald Trump than you are to him. Says John Favreau, I hosted the political podcast Pod Save America, said during Friday's episode, the president Biden's internal polling showed that President Trump would win 400 electoral votes. Then we find out when the Biden campaign becomes a Harris campaign, America said during Friday's episode, the president Biden's internal polling showed that President Trump would win 400
Starting point is 00:12:05 electoral votes. Then we find out when the Biden campaign becomes a Harris campaign that the Biden campaign's own internal polling at the time when they were telling us he was the strongest candidate showed that Donald Trump was going to win 400 electoral votes, Favreau said in the on the podcast and comments highlighted by MediaEight. And I guess like, like I said, the narrative is beginning to gel. But I am very much enjoying all of the,
Starting point is 00:12:27 you know, backstabbing and people coming out now after they've lost, they tell you all the things that they knew were wrong, you know, from the get go. And there have been a couple of choice, like sort of wrap ups of the Harris campaign and particularly the one that
Starting point is 00:12:42 Trump is already scoring points off of by offering to pay off their campaign debt is the fact that the Harris campaign, and particularly the one that Trump is already scoring points off of by offering to pay off their campaign debt, is the fact that the Harris campaign raised a billion dollars and is somehow twenty million dollars in debt. Tony West really did run the campaign like Uber. Chief among the, like, just the sort of eyebrow raising items on the Harris campaign budget was spending four hundred and fifty thousand dollars a day to have ads play on the Las Vegas sphere. They just make the Las Vegas sphere into big Harris Walls ads. Is there a face on it?
Starting point is 00:13:15 No, it's just their names. Ah, damn it. I want it to be their face. I want it to be that like Mussolini thing in the middle of the square, but it's her yeah, and then the other one was Spending a hundred grand to build this set on which she was interviewed on there for the call her daddy You know how many views her episode of call her daddy got how many I like I thought this was a major coup because every Fucking idiot you know when this happened was like this is huge. She's net. Oh my god This is she's exposing her to an audience she wouldn't have been exposed to before.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Hassan showed me 800,000. Brick. Brick, like 800,000, like, there, I think like, there are at least two Dan Quinn videos that did better than that. The one where he dumps Stevia in a a gym hot tub. That's a deep cut The one where he like pushes the first one where he pushes his son down the stairs and then he's in his garage like the intro Yeah, I also just think like that listenership. I would I would just this is guess I could be wrong, but maybe not very active voters.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Well, I mean, I would just say the way I analyze this is, you know, everyone's looking for, you know, how to how to prune their media diet, how to be a more savvy consumer of independent media. And I would say like my answer here is that podcasts that would spend that much money or require you to spend that much money or no good. Don't bother going on them. Yeah, the whole point of a podcast zero zero Yeah, you're overhead. Yeah. Well, I mean like they the podcast didn't spend that money Yeah, the Harris people like and if you've seen this set it just looks like every other bullshit podcast That exists like it like they I won't put that on them. There's currently like a sort of triple on taunt going on with Barstool affiliated media after Zach Brian broke up with
Starting point is 00:15:14 Brianna Chicken Fry. So I'm playing a neutral party here. See I was Matt and I were having connections the other day because for a while I thought it was Zach Brown, not Zach Brian, and it was the, you know, did the little bit of Chicken Fry song. So for a while I thought the guy who sung the Chicken Fry song was engaged
Starting point is 00:15:34 or dating someone called Brianna Chicken Fry. Zach Brian's, Zach Brian's totally different. Like he's, I think this is amazing what's happened because he was like the most normal guy in the world And he has like a lot of the songs are good and his me his songs are kind of like I love you I fucking hate you. I'm sorry. I hope you have a good day Like I like I sounds like I'm making fun of it. I'm not I'm not I think the songs are great But he was he was like, you know, just some, a classic case of a guy who's like kind of a dope
Starting point is 00:16:08 and then the only language he can truly speak is music. But then they made him famous and he like becomes Harvey Weinstein like instantly. Like not, no, he's not as bad as Harvey Weinstein, but he was like a bad boyfriend and then tried to give Brian a chicken fry, $12 million to like not tell people how bad of a boyfriend he was, which it like they ruined him as a person so fast. Like the Zach Brian movie, his rise to fame into him becoming like a Hollywood scumbag. That is like a 12 second montage.
Starting point is 00:16:49 But Dave Portnoy did write a diss track about it. Then she turned around, said shove it up your ass. She speaks like Vogue's Bonnie. Hail like Dog Funny. Go buy a toupee. Put your little hush money. That's gonna be a pretty bad knock on effective Trump, is that like, you know, I've previously identified that I've made the breakthrough medical discovery that schizophrenics are drawn to rapping. And you. For similar reasons. This is like, I discovered this by all the people
Starting point is 00:17:30 who have like rapped at me. But sort of a knock on effect of that, of polarization and further institutional decay, is you're gonna see people rap who you never thought would rap. And it's really gonna suck and it's already happening. Well, like I said, there's like to return to like the narratives sort of right election, dealing with the election.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Yeah. Well, as to the election, there's a couple of one, but, you know, there's like, oh, OK, is it is it Democrats have waited too deep and they've drunk too deeply from the well of identity politics? I think I kind of went away to some degree under Biden. I think it was just I mean, like, I think like that was sort of a relief. But you look at the numbers, they really didn't like her so much and she's more of the party thing. I don't know if wokeness factored in so much to this, so much as people truly hate the Democrats so much
Starting point is 00:18:36 at this point that they're like, yeah, I think the Antichrist might be better. I really, this is gonna like an every four to eight years thing while we play like federal hot potato. Like is, liberals love like self-legislation. All I've seen since the election is like, I'm bad, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have worn a sparkly top, it was too weird for people in Pennsylvania. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Oh my God, I named my son Xander, I'm sorry. Oh my God. I'm so, oh my, my Prius was too aggressive. I freaked you out. I've seen actually like a lot more like, I mean, I just see this from people in my chats or whatever, but I've seen like a ton of, there's a reason educated people vote Democrat.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Dumb fuckers stand his back. Yeah, yeah. That's sort of like, I don't think they're as hysterical as they were last time around, but they're more smug and resentful. Well, yeah, because it's like a 2004 style outcome. But like, yeah, like,
Starting point is 00:19:47 of the people who are like reacting like hysterically and like, I mean, at this point, it's just, this is just what you say after Democrats lose an election or like win, but not that well is you just say it's wokeism. Even though like, yeah, they've completely abandoned that. I mean, the only argument for that is that it's the residual effects of Kamala's 2019 campaign. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:13 And like, I could see that. I mean, it's hard to like, like, I think of it the same way as, you know, how Democrats were running on kids in cages and now they're like, what are you talking about? We love the entire Trump thing. And when you flip on things like that, it makes it seem like all the accusations about you are true, whether they're saying you're importing voters or whatever, it makes it seem like you got caught. Yeah. And you're apologizing.
Starting point is 00:20:39 I mean, yeah, I feel like it really calmed down under under Biden. Yeah. They were just like, we don't need to do this anymore. We also figured out that, you know, people like infrastructure bills and on shoring and kind of a weird guy. And there was nothing that suggested that anything good he did. She would upkeep shoes. Her whole thing is like, I'm a fun giggle puss.
Starting point is 00:21:10 I had a friend who said who said like, yeah, voting for him is like a vote for fun. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's not. This is not his his peak era. We're dealing with you too. After the first albums, he's in decline mentally too. We could have had like President Xanax MILF. That would have been way more fun. So we could have had like President Xanax milk. That would have been way more fun.
Starting point is 00:21:24 I mean, like, well, what is astounding is obviously like they were always going to say, oh, it was Latin X. No one has, I'm the only guy who's ever said Latin X in like three years. I'm the only guy saying it. You know, anything except for the obvious, which is the president was 170 years old and like visibly dying. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:51 During all he said, politics should never be a literal battle fellow. God forbid. Does that not factor in at all? Yeah. But like 80 percent of Americans said he was too old and infirm to be fucking president. Well, and who they tagged in was who the fuck is she?
Starting point is 00:22:13 Like, you know, like nobody really likes her except, well, I like her. I've said this before, like I don't want Joe Biden to be in charge of anything, but I do want him to be my fun neighbor who throws barbecues and gives me two hard handshakes where
Starting point is 00:22:27 there's like a ten dollar in it. He says, don't tell your mom. And like, you know, I think drunk Kamala would be really fun. But like, I don't I want her to be in charge less than a non-senile Joe Biden. Yeah. Like even if Kamala didn't have like this stink of Biden on her and like just anyone.
Starting point is 00:22:52 She had none of the good stuff either though. None of the good stuff, none of the retail politics ability but also like anyone connected with that administration, I think an unsung part of this is that a lot of people who broke for Biden in 2020 are like embarrassed because it's like, oh, we were we were told we were electing like a competent manager of of the world. single-handedly swings elections, but you could just point to the state of the world right now and the fact that like they were plainly and blatantly lying about like Joe Biden's like physical and mental firmness for years until they fight until they finally could not hide it anymore.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And they had to like do this unprecedented thing and switch him out. And so like anyone associated with that is probably rightfully like seen as someone who like helped perpetuate that fucking lie. Yeah, well, and I think if you look at like what he was unable to do as he was campaigning and then what Kamala
Starting point is 00:24:05 had no interest in doing. Like Sean O'Brien wanted to speak at both fucking, you know, like the DNC and the RNC, but like he was drooling in his soup and they couldn't like get it together. And you know, that just meant that the only person really campaigning until the very last minute was the Republicans. Yeah. And like, in sort of like a reverse of what happened in the summer, it's not that Trump ran like the most insane campaign ever, but he did the basic things you would want to do if you wanted to win.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Like, he went to Hamtrak and like talked to the fucking mayor. He went to Dearborn and like openly, you know, addressed the big fucking elephant in the room. He did the basic retail politics things that someone who has really only contested against a Republican like twice in her entire career and not really not in really a meaningful way at that. And Kamala Harris, the lack of any retail politics impulse was very evident. I think we're entering to the era of like the passive Trump voter, which like we used to have way more passive Democrats and now they're checking out. I don't think we have like the fervor around Trump
Starting point is 00:25:26 anymore, especially because like he kind of, you know, like lost and that kind of destroyed the mythos or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I think there are more passive voters. And I don't think they've bought into the whole thing. They might even think he's the anti-crisis. Well, they're better than the Dems. Yeah, well, like he didn't, you know, first majority for a Republican presidential candidate since 2004.
Starting point is 00:25:53 But if you like, look at the actual numbers, it's not like it's about what he got last time. It wasn't an explosion for Trump at all. And like the people it it was like two thirds, the, you know, participation in a lot of the rallies and stuff. Not so much realignment, but de-alignment. Exactly. Everything's falling apart. Yeah, everything's just completely falling apart.
Starting point is 00:26:17 But like, just a point I'd like to make on like the identity politics being being sort of fingered as the culprit here. And it's like to the extent to which you know this show has been associated with being critical of identity politics, at least speaking for me personally, it was more just like a knock on the fact is that like identity politics was what was being used by Democrats and liberals to attack a broadly popular economic agenda. And like the people who are diagnosed now, we got to get rid of the wokeness. We got to get rid of the identity politics.
Starting point is 00:26:48 It's like, OK, well, then what do you OK? Like usually you don't have any other things. We do. You replace that with is class politics, which is like identity politics is what they break in case of emergency when it looks like class politics is getting too much purchase. That's what they do to Bernie. Now it's like, OK, well, now if you get rid of identity politics, so then like, well, who who fucks with you then?
Starting point is 00:27:09 What's our new? I mean, I would say like, if you're not going to replace the identity politics with, like I said, a broadly redistributive economic agenda, OK, just stick with identity politics. I got an idea. I got an idea. Hats. That's the new rebrand. That's damn. We need a different hat.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Guys, we need left wing baseball hats. No, the Democrat hat. The Democrat hat should be like the, you know, like the cab driver hat. It's like from a long time ago. Well, I almost think it's like a tonsure now. Democrats should wear it. I almost think it's like a tonsure now. Democrats should wear it.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Democrats should wear it to like a tone. Yeah. Oh, we're sorry. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, I feel the exact same way, which is you guys wrote in Africa, they call her sister Hillary. You don't get to do this now. Like, fuck you.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Yeah, yeah. You really painted yourself. You got that stink on you. We've said on the show that like all politics now is just a reaction and counter reaction to 2020. And I really think a lot of this like, oh my God, it was too woke. We fucked it. We put too much woke in the stew. You know, that is like a humiliated kind of. too woke, we fucked that we put too much woke in the stew.
Starting point is 00:28:30 That is like a humiliated kind of flash of self-awareness with people who were like, went along with everything in 2020 and were like, I salute gushers for demanding the black experience. And now they're embarrassed and they're like, well, we all of us did it. What the you know, they made us do it. Yeah. No, you you were 62 years old, Joe Scarborough. And like, OK, another one of these like meta narratives is that it's not the economy, it's not the inflation, it's not inflation,
Starting point is 00:29:05 it's not war, it's not any of these things. It's how people perceive these things. And this is Michael Tomanski writing in The New Republic. I don't need to read it, but like basically this is an argument about the right wing media. And what they're saying is that voters are just like easily cajoled and like they get they get their messages from the wrong place, which is really like a way of admitting that like Okay, the voters are the ones that are stupid, but we're so dumb. We can't trick Dollars yeah a billion fucking dollars you have like a pretty sizable chunk of Hollywood like I'm so sick of this fucking argument from like from Democrats where it's like
Starting point is 00:29:46 Okay, you have been saying this for years either like find a way around it or quit Yeah, if you can't lie to these benighted sheeple to get them to fucking pull the lever for you Then like who's who's who's uninformed who has a perception problem? Yeah, it's very like the problem is is that like Republicans are really good at I don't share this view because it's very contemptuous. They're very good at tricking the rubes. Then trick the rubes. Like, if that's really what you believe.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Yeah. Yeah. Now, I got news for you. None of the cups have a ball under it. You have identity politics. It's a ball under it. They have identity politics. It's just spaces under there. No ball, no ball. And then and like and then this is like down river from, I think, like the largest meta narrative about this election, which is that it's the voters
Starting point is 00:30:37 fault and we need new voters. They know. Yeah, they owe us. And this is all the things we didn't do for them. And this is the one that I want to read from because like this to me was like the perfect Encapsulation of this meta narrative and it's Rebecca Solnit writing in the Guardian headline here our mistake Was to think we lived in a better country than we do Americans will be stuck cleaning up after magas destructive streak because men like this never clean up after themselves What is what is this? cleaning up after MAGA's destructive streak because men like this never clean up after themselves.
Starting point is 00:31:05 What is this? Pick up your damn socks. What is this fucking CW show writing? No, I'm sorry. Did I trusted you? Yeah, it's like, to which the American people would say like an animal house, like you fucked up. You trusted us.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Yeah. And she says here, it begins, our mistake was to think we lived in a better country than we do. Our mistake was to see the joy, the extraordinary balance between idealism and pragmatism, the energy, the generosity, the coalition building of the Kamala Harris campaign and think that it must triumph over the politics
Starting point is 00:31:38 of lies and resentment. Yeah, energy is what I think of when I think of Biden and Harris. Yeah, but the extraordinary balance between idealism and pragmatism. And he says one our mistake was to think that the racism and misogyny were not as bad as they are, whether it applied to someone who was willing to vote for a supremely who was
Starting point is 00:31:56 willing to vote for a supremely qualified black woman or who was willing to vote for an adjudicated rapist. Yeah, she she was appointed by the California Democratic Party. She didn't even like find her own husband. Like Noah's dad from The Sopranos was like, okay, put out a casting call for a Doug. He says, willing to vote for an adjudicated rapist and convicted criminal who admires Hitler. Our mistake was to think we could row this boat
Starting point is 00:32:32 across the acid lake before the acid dissolved it. You mean like people? Well you got in the lake full of acid. People are the acid, is that what it is? Yeah. Maybe they're sensing that you hate them. Like, I mean at least someone who's lying to you is gonna suck your dick a little bit. I like... It shouldn't shock me anymore, but in the wake of the past week,
Starting point is 00:33:00 the capacity of like every type of Democrat to fucking flatter themselves has been Astounding we were just too good for a country of rotten evil Nazis and misogynists. Yeah. Yes, like Zach Bo Camp said I Hope you guys like the liberal order because it's going away going away And it's like yeah, look how great the world was for the best two fucking years. Yeah. And this, like, what's your greatest weakness? I'm too trusting. Yeah. I can't help it if I'm pretty and popular. And, okay, so she writes, we knew what the problems were and we wanted to fix them.
Starting point is 00:33:38 The principal problems that got us to this bleakest moment in American history are intertwined. Is this really the bleakest moment in American history are intertwined. Is this really the bleakest moment in American history? Yeah. In American history, really? It wasn't more bleak the first. That's the other thing. I mean, like, this country did fight a civil war. It did happen before.
Starting point is 00:33:54 It did happen. Like, they're shocked again. I can't wrap my mind about it. You had, like, eight years to wrap your mind about it. Yeah. And it was like, the same country that elected Donald Trump once. You're like, we're shocked to find out this awful, evil country could vote for a man like Donald Trump. They already did. They already did.
Starting point is 00:34:12 So, I mean, yeah, you're right, Amber. You had all the years to prepare for an electorate that was willing to vote for Donald Trump. And now you're just once again just being like, we're just too good for them. We're just too good for them. She says here, the principal problems that got us to this bleakest moment in American history are intertwined. They are the crisis of masculinity, the failure of the mainstream news media,
Starting point is 00:34:33 and the rise of Silicon Valley. And in a way, they are all the same problem. What a coincidence that the three major problems of this country are the only things you write about. Like, wow, that's really good for you. It's very Fukuyama. I really, I wanted to kill myself when I realized that we're going to have like a good six months of like, you know, what are we going to do about men articles?
Starting point is 00:35:02 Like all of them. Like all the, we need a positive role model for men. It's so We need daddies not like jobs or the ability to afford a house or anything they just need dads It's like the Obama line when he was like shitting on black men. It's like the problem is dad like the Obama line when he was like shitting on black men. It's like the problem is dads. I don't think that's the problem, dude. Well, no, we need new and better dads.
Starting point is 00:35:30 We need left-wing. Dad 2.0. And by left-wing, I mean democratic dads for the wayward youth of this country. I saw someone today, I forget what article was talking about this, but it described the boy crisis that we have to deal with. The boy crisis. I mean, usually that's a problem in UK politics, not in America. I guess we've
Starting point is 00:35:50 imported it across the across the pond. But yeah, you know, Felix, I'm with you. I am. I mean, like, because out of all of the marginalized groups that we can blame this election on, I mean, this is the one that I can speak to personally, because, you know, I was once a young man in this country and I was I was once a young man in this country and I was once perhaps an angry young man in this country who felt alienated from the prospect of having a career or a girlfriend and you know, my advice to the young men in this country or how do we deal with the boy crisis in this country? And I'm not even kidding is get a job. Yeah, that's like that's the only useful advice I have
Starting point is 00:36:24 Well they need to make jobs, and they're not gonna do that. Yeah, hey, a little bit of meaning, even a shitty job. So yeah. As long as it's not mind numbingly evil. I mean, yeah, like my advice to the individuals personally is get a job, but like, one of the political ramifications of that is give people a fucking job.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Yeah, talk about killing two birds with one stone or one windmill. You could, yeah, you know, pay young men to like put windmills together. Yeah, well, I got to say the the two good things about Biden that were actually good was the infrastructure bill and should have been bigger. Bernie would have made a big room. And like the the labor policies. But with him gone, those two are fucking still like what do you think? What do you think like Kamala is gonna be like we need to build bridges? Like that's not gonna be... No, no, no. Not the coalitions. You need to build them to
Starting point is 00:37:19 connect like distances. I don't want like the I've said this before when historians talk about this time We're gonna realize like the expectation creep that went from like yeah, sometimes strange just fly after Just like what happened sometimes yeah, I mean like you know Anything to avoid like looking the most obvious things, like dead in the face. Like, why, you know, why would Americans feel alienated from, you know, just any, the political process at all? Like, why was there a collapse and turnout? Could it be that, like, you know, the fact that, like, a hospital stay, even with insureds, like, costs as much as a fucking car? And there's just, they have totally given up on any any solution to that.
Starting point is 00:38:09 Literally anything but an economic program. They will do absolutely anything but an economic program. Like they need new role models. What you're essentially saying is that they need a dad that isn't their actual dad. And even if you're mad at your dad, you're not listening to some fucking asshole talk shit. You're not listening to Rebecca. Don't say that about my dad. Fucking Rebecca Solnus. Who the fuck do you think you are?
Starting point is 00:38:43 Even when like, I mean, it's offering jobs in the media for young men. Basically, in addition to become, you know, 10 million dissatisfied young men's new father figure. They put this in. I remember the The New York Times ran like below the fold, I think. But like front page, it was like Trump courts the bro vote. The notoriously difficult to get like 23 to 35 year old men. I don't know how do we get them.
Starting point is 00:39:07 It's like and of course they came to the same conclusions like, well, we need masculinity. We need like Tim Waltz and like good dads. And it's like we don't know how to get bro. Like have. OK. What if you tried literally at all, even once? Just what if you tried? Like what if you tried to get the bro vote
Starting point is 00:39:32 and you could ask them what they want because you were interviewing these Trump 23 year olds and they said, I'm worried about inflation. And they're like, we have no idea what is wrong. They must need Tim Walz dad. I was I was arguing with a Democrat about this and like of course like for some reason it's more comforting for them to believe that the country has made an irreversible right wing shift and that like everything is over.
Starting point is 00:40:00 We're never going to have elections again. Like everything is fucked. They lost by 30 points. There's no point in politics. But like I I was arguing with him and I said, well, like inflation kind of like ate up wage growth for a lot of fucking people.
Starting point is 00:40:17 And their response was like, that didn't happen. Dude, so many progressives were inflation denialists. My friend like it's like being a flat earther for them. My friend like showed me some, in someone she knew from college, like their thing, he was like, oh, so we're electing the rapist
Starting point is 00:40:37 because people care about the price of eggs. I'm like, eggs are expensive, goddammit. Have you bought eggs recently? That used to be like a pretty big, like when George W. Bush or George H.W. Bush, how much could milk be?
Starting point is 00:40:53 Thirty seven dollars. That was a big deal. Oh, by the way, that guy worked for Goldman Sachs. Sorry, I forgot the punch line there. You'll never you'll never believe how expensive quail eggs are these days. Just going back to the boy crisis here. Solnit writes, social media arose like a school of sharks in the information pool
Starting point is 00:41:15 and began to devour the economic base of the news industry. A lot of mixed metaphors here. A school of sharks in the information pool. What base do sharks devour? Like the root of a tree or like what? Who are the sharks? Okay, social media arose like a school of sharks in the information pool and began to devour
Starting point is 00:41:39 the economic base of the news industry to undermine the filtration systems. There was a pool ball. We need that aquarium. The boy crisis is that we don't have enough pool boys in the country because they need to scoop out the sharks that are clogging the information filter in the news pool. This is also just another one of those. My the problem with America is that my job is diminishing.
Starting point is 00:42:02 And I'm like a huge. I think the decline of local news is a really bad issue. Polling kind of doesn't work because who is who agrees to take a poll? Nerds like I think we needed to be able to read local news.
Starting point is 00:42:17 And that's very hard to figure out. Like if you don't actually have that. But it's not like Rebecca Solnit was reporting on what was going on in Duluth. In Youngstown, Ohio. Yeah. I just, I'm stuck on the, I guess this is a metaphor.
Starting point is 00:42:37 Like. She just got an aquarium and she's really excited. So a booyaboo, you sing with a fish name. I hate it, don't you hate it when you like leave your pool unattended for like a few days and a school of sharks arises in it and then destroys the base around the filtration system?
Starting point is 00:42:55 Well it said the filtration system that had limited the spread of hate, lies, misinformation and disinformation. Okay, so there's, you want, there are two pipes that lead into your pool. One's the regular water pipe, and one's the hate lies and disinformation pipe.
Starting point is 00:43:12 And you're gonna wanna build a base around the bad pipe, but like don't, you know, even if you're not gonna be home, just throw like a Roomba in your pool or something. Just like keep it occupied because otherwise the school of sharks will arise and take out the good bits. So wait, but it's not just the filter. It's the is is she also the chlorine? Well, OK, it's just I'm glad you asked.
Starting point is 00:43:37 But to talk about it as an information pool is to underestimate how much it has changed consciousness itself, how addictive and how distorting it is, how it manipulates values, emotions and beliefs. Young men seem particularly vulnerable to its offerings and many dank corners of the internet recruit them into misogyny and white supremacy via influencers and incel subcultures, into anti-semitism and conspiracy theories, and more than that into becoming unmoored, destabilized, unwell and isolated. It's the internet's...ored, destabilized, unwell, and isolated.
Starting point is 00:44:05 It's the Internet's... Look, the Internet makes everyone mentally ill, but again, you know what keeps you off the Internet? Getting a job. Yeah, and like I mean like I said the point of like to my somewhat flip diagnosis here to get a job. I mean that in a literal sense because to me like getting a job is the only thing that like sort of... Because you can't like retcon confidence if you have nothing to be confident in. Yeah. I think the only way that you can gain confidence is by being useful to others. And, like, to demonstrate...
Starting point is 00:44:33 Having a role. Meaningful work. Yeah, like, demonstrating competence to others in a way that is, sort of, that gratifies you, but also is seen and recognized in some way. And, like, getting a job, getting some form of stable employment was the only thing that worked for me. But the thing is, like, you can't just, you know, get a job. As I said, like, that's the pull up your pants thing. But they're talking about a broader political agenda.
Starting point is 00:44:56 It would be creating a lot of jobs, giving jobs to young people. It's a huge alienating thing to like have like you to either to work an email job Which is like again? It has to be meaningful work, but like either to work in fucking grueling email job or like I don't know 24 hours a week at GameStop or Starbucks or something like how do you feel like your labor is in any way? meaningful then which is a way for you to like your labor is in any way meaningful then, which is a way for you to recognize your place in society. It's how you know you're a part of society. You're like, oh, I do a thing and and that's how a thing gets done. Well, someone depends on me. Someone depends on me.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I just, I don't think it's possible to like give for everyone to have a job that like see, like is immediately like, um, not justifiable, but like worthwhile. Meaningful. Yeah. I just don't think that's like possible in America, unfortunately, but not right now. Could be. It could be, but like even the, even then it's like, you do need like cashiers and like service workers and shit
Starting point is 00:46:05 But but if that job was less grueling What I'm saying is that like that that would be like way less demeaning if you were able to like build a life From what you earn at that job. Yeah, if the inverse if like the infrastructure was in place for you to, you know, have places to go, have things to look forward to, have things in your life, which working a job like that now, you really, you know, you really can't get those things. I think also the meaning you get from your job, even if it's like, you know, working retail or whatever, depends a lot on your
Starting point is 00:46:46 how badly you're being squeezed for productivity. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. And it's also like how much money is left over at the end of the month. So like, yeah, exactly. You're like, well, it can't be that fucking meaningful if I can't get by. Because like, you know, if a job is a sole debt and sole debt and drudgery, but still it pays you enough money so that you can like pay rent,
Starting point is 00:47:07 afford some groceries and have a little fun every weekend, then like, then you're taking from your soul at the work, but then you're giving back to it. Also retail can be like fun if you're essentially minding the store and you have time to like gossip with your coworkers and you're taking your sweet ass time and you don't have to worry about not making it enough.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Like the right to be, the jobs that aren't quote unquote meaningful, one, you still know that you're keeping something running. Even if it's like the way Starbucks is going. Like even if it was like, like you don't have to be like a fucking doctor or whatever. Like you're like, I am a part of the way something is running. And if you have to work like 60 hours doctor or whatever. Like you're like, I am a part of the way something is running.
Starting point is 00:47:45 And if you have to work like 60 hours a week to do that and you're not compensated for it, you don't feel like you're actually useful. Like you're like, oh, I am litter. I'm a cog in a machine. Yeah. Yeah. Would you pay someone like literally like for them to pay their rent and like afford the basic things that all human beings are entitled to, they would have to go into debt
Starting point is 00:48:13 to do that. How are they going to feel anything but worthless? Yeah. Also, I want, so it's to call it a pool is. Yeah, let's go back to the pool. She, well, she, after that whole pool thing, she's like, actually, it's way bigger than a pool. It's okay, why were we in the pool?
Starting point is 00:48:32 To get back to the infinity pool thing and the filtration systems and the spread of hate lies, there are two different pipes, misinformation and disinformation. Buddy, you never want to connect either of those pipes to your pool. You just want water. And if you get on the bench, you pure a hot tub. Do not stay in there too long. I know flesh eating bacteria for the misinformation pool. But like, but again, like it's just this self-congratulation on how how good you
Starting point is 00:49:01 are, but never turn the mirror around to just be like, okay Why don't we talk about all of the lies hate and missing this misinformation and disinformation? Of an outlet like the Guardian of the New York Times which was like, you know in a practical sense Many of their columnists and news items are like Joe Biden's perfectly mentally fit to be president Yeah, there's nothing wrong with Joe Biden. Yeah. Kamala Harris is running a perfect campaign. She's competent. Israel is simply defending themselves. She's experienced.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Yeah. Like, I don't know. She might be competent. How would I know? I'll read this next paragraph here. It says, the MAGA right with its indifference to the normal issues of good governance and its preoccupation with clickbait distractions is an online monster and it has created a and succeeded in creating a more angry aggressive form of masculinity
Starting point is 00:49:45 One more convinced that debasing and dominating women is essential to its identity Whether in porn or in Trump's fantasizing aloud that Liz Cheney should face a firing squad and Harris face Mike People keep telling me this shit and they keep saying like America's getting worse about like fucking you know Racism and sexism. You cannot tell me that a Democrat steel worker in 1976 is more sexist than like some like dork who's in like $40,000 of fucking college debt. Like you just can't. like dork who's in like $40,000 of fucking college debt. Like you just can't.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Now maybe they were less angry, but that's different. That's a different thing. Yeah, it's like, it's as ridiculous as people who think like it's just like an unending slow but steady drip of like one year is always better than the next. It's as ridiculous to think this is like The war like the social nadir of America people were alive during Jim Crow are still alive now Yeah, you cannot tell me it's like equivocally getting like fucking like worse
Starting point is 00:51:01 Maybe it's more like up down up They've created a new kind of masculinity. They're getting a new, even more aggressive and angry form of masculinity. It's called it's called masculinity, too. Yeah, like
Starting point is 00:51:16 I definitely think like things are getting dumber, like people are dumber than ever. But that's because of phones and like that a competent of phones and like that a competent political party would like figure a way around that. They would be like free
Starting point is 00:51:30 propeller hats and lollipops. We vote. I don't like whatever. But we keep coming back to hats. Yeah, but I think we've I think we've cracked the case here. Yeah, but like, yeah, no, just I mean, again, it is more comforting for them to think like, yeah, this is now officially they totally Nazi country now. It's totally like completely lost.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Like, just forget about it. Every man you see is like a potential SBU suspect. I just want to finish this paragraph. She says the endless memes of Trump as Rambo and rescuers and Jesus show how much the lost boys and MAGA women want an authoritarian leader. And the fact that they can make one out of the physically and mentally pathetic Trump is a testimony to the power of tech fuel. Oh yeah, because libs never do embarrassing memes.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Or like, yeah, how could they say this infirm man is like a big tough hero? Anyway, Joe Biden is saving this whole of America. We're gonna give him like glowing eyes. The endless memes of Trump as Rambo, I don't think I've seen a single meme with Trump as Rambo. I've seen some strongman ones. Yeah, I think maybe, I think because Rebecca Sullivan
Starting point is 00:52:44 doesn't understand masculinity and has probably never even seen First Blood or Rambo First Blood Part Two, or Rambo Three or Rambo Last Stand. They drew first blood, not me. She hasn't seen any of those things, so she probably just sees Trump with muscles holding a gun and assumes it's Rambo.
Starting point is 00:52:57 She doesn't even know about the brave Mujer Dean. Yeah. But, yeah, no, and it says here, of course Silicon Valley media and the crisis in masculinity converging Elon Musk who used his ownership of the Bob monstrous blah blah blah. And it just goes on like that. It's just touching on all the shit that she writes about. Yeah, like, how are they still writing this fucking article?
Starting point is 00:53:20 I swear to God, there were like nine books that came out during the Trump presidency that were called like dark computer The scary internet Evil poke you Facebook and the Nazification of it like all these books were like some fucking idiot was like I that's right I spent three months going on 4chan. The darkest place of the dark web.
Starting point is 00:53:50 I created a burner account to talk to weirdos online. Yeah, and it was just like inside the depths of the evil computer that's making America crazy. I think also they're like the CIA with pedophiles, they go in there just a problem Well, I mean I spoke about this on Thursday show but like you know like I FBI with pedophiles Yeah, I was just talking domestically but
Starting point is 00:54:20 but you know, like I think Inherent in the in this thing about like, yeah, the dark internet and dark masculinity is this idea that like anger of any kind is evil. Yeah. Yeah. And unjustified. Yeah, anger at our democracy or our political system is inherently like fascistic and evil and racist.
Starting point is 00:54:42 And it's just like, once again, like, I mean I mean look, I mean you can you can point at the You know some of the nasty stuff. Yeah, I will say on the internet and it's certainly like, you know I'm not gonna say it's not racist or disturbing to read but like I think there is a conscious conflation of like racist bile on the internet and like the broader feeling of anger at the politicians and our form of government in this country because it because I'm sorry, like it was the Democrats. It was the nice people party that has been doing unspeakable evil for the last four fucking years.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Where does that factor in all of this? Yeah. Where does giving where does like giving Kurt Blanch to the most right-wing like the genocidal Country of fucking a mafia state of rapists. Where does that factor in? No, I Think it's because they're all suddenly mean for no reason whatsoever. It just happened. It's like a disease It's an idiopathic disease, it's like cancer,
Starting point is 00:55:47 no one knows, it just happens sometimes. And like anger gets displaced. It just does, it's just like fucking, especially with like young people because they're stupid and don't know anything yet. Just give them jobs, just fucking give them jobs. I don't even need them to be self-reflective. Someone was talking to me about like,
Starting point is 00:56:06 oh, we need to look at this meme, they should commit seppuku. And I'm like, you know, they're not capable of thinking, maybe it's me. Like, I don't care if they never get that no one likes them. I just want them to, even if it's cynical, be like, oh, the dumb-dums will like us if we give them jobs.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Yeah, I just like, in all of these like, tortured fucking like, these screeds that we have been reading endlessly since 2016 about the, how just the cultural degeneration of America and like, the rage and nastiness of anything of everything. How does it never factor in that like, you know, when you say cause the deaths of two million people in a war and it's just swept under the rug? Does that not devalue human life? That is like factor into not factor into the calculation?
Starting point is 00:57:07 When you kill a cleric who one time met a guy who met a guy who met a guy who knew the number three in Al-Qaeda and all of his kids die and you're like, well, you know, it's the company you keep. Does that not fucking devalue human life well and also like a lot of a lot of these angry young men are Arpist about Israel and at what point does that not? Does that cease to be a compassion in and of itself like you're writing that off as pure anger? Right. Yeah, it's a compassionate anger. Yeah. So like how come they don't get credit for that? Yeah and like and for all the talk about like, oh like the rise in hatred or anti-Semitism,
Starting point is 00:57:53 I've seen some of the most vile racist propaganda I've ever seen in my life, published in the pages of liberal newspapers and magazines. But it's all about Palestinians. And as long as you're talking about like wokeness and identity politics some of the like most serious Crackdowns and in positions of speech codes on university campuses. I've happened this year, but it was all Directed at pro-palestinian protests. You can't even say the word Palestine on most campuses anymore without getting expelled Yeah
Starting point is 00:58:24 That is the one group of people where you're stood They're so allowed to say that we feel unsafe and you need old space for us that somehow never counts as fucking identity politics If I don't think I've seen this single like liberal Like official Democratic Party like media organ even mention Israel in any of this I like what no one thinks that it like single handedly lost the election for Biden. But to act like it didn't have an effect and that it is no salience for American voters is fucking insane.
Starting point is 00:58:54 If you think that there's no connection between the fact that Kamala got a lower percentage of the youth vote than any other Democrat by a lot by a lot than any of the past Democratic elections have nothing to do with their policy towards Gaza. That's just I'm sorry. You're lying. People are lying to you or it's cope. There's no way there's no fucking way around it. They've been doing this fucking Michelle obamas. They're still beating this drum. It's like by the way, you are if you don't vote for kamala You are holding all the women in your life hostage to your anger
Starting point is 00:59:27 Gee, I wonder why they don't like you. You've spent the past, since the Hillary campaign, telling people, telling young men specifically, that they are horrible racists and are absolute misogynists if they don't vote for Hillary fucking Clinton. And then every time you do it, you're like, look how dangerous they are. Look how hateful they are. And one, people are going to resent that. Two, also, if you accuse someone of something over and over and over again, hey, if you're going to do the time, you might as well do the crime.
Starting point is 01:00:01 In for a penny, in for a pound. Yeah, at some point, it's like, okay, you think I'm a fucking angry piece of shit. I'll show you an angry piece of shit Yeah, it's the same It's the same thing with Israel stuff because like if they're just gonna call you anti-semitic Yeah at some point. It's like okay. I'll give you something to fucking cry about Absolutely and like and again like it it just continues to be shocking to me because like this is after they lost this fucking election, I still see some of these cretins like crawling on fucking all fours to kiss the ass of Israel.
Starting point is 01:00:32 Like, for instance, in the soccer hooliganism riot that happened in Amsterdam over the weekend, Joe Biden issued a statement condemning the anti-Semitic attacks in Amsterdam. So like now, just like how America is permanently lost, right wing, hell hole, like no one good will ever win. The Netherlands is a whole anti-Semitic country. Yeah. And like thank God we found out now.
Starting point is 01:01:00 How do you think they feel about Muslims? Like for Christ's sake. The corollary there is this idea that like oh, yeah Because of because of Elon Musk and young men America is now like irrevocably right-wing or whatever But also like when you look at Israel just know it's all Netanyahu's fault. It's not it's not the country or the entire government Yeah, yeah, but like there's plenty of good people there But like I mean, did you see the thing about how Sky News? There's plenty of good people there. But like, I mean, did you see the thing about how Sky News
Starting point is 01:01:25 published a news account of the riots in Amsterdam that described factually the racist hooliganism that incited this, I'm sorry, like a bunch of drunk Israeli soccer fans getting their ass kicked by Dutch Moroccans. By the way, I got to point this out. The way, you guys know the way that the New York Times framed this? Oh, please.
Starting point is 01:01:51 Chaos, provocations and violence, how attacks on Israeli soccer fans unfolded. This is the slog underneath. Anti-Semitic assaults on visiting Israeli soccer fans and the incendiary chance and attacks by some Israelis Here's what and attacks by some Israelis just putting that into a final version of that Amber that described anti-semitic attacks and then was described the behavior of the Maccabee Tel Aviv fans as like Anti-arab slogans. So one is an anti-semitic Unacceptable bigotry and like systemized
Starting point is 01:02:26 One is a form of unacceptable bigotry and like systemized ideological hatred of another race. The other is just simply some anti-Arab slogans were shouted. Also, I'm sorry, they're soccer fans. They do that for no reason anyway. And not only that, but Maccabee told me you've lost five nothing. Yeah. Which is like losing a basketball game by triple digits. They also, the Maccabee Ultras had massage agents in tow and still fucking lost. Really interesting way to be like that. Just like that's not what I would have led with.
Starting point is 01:02:55 But OK. And it's also funny that Israelis love to tell you how they're not European. But then their football club loses a match and they engage in racist hooliganism in the street. Seems like a pretty old tradition It seems like pretty European culture to me. Yeah I saw the sky news like the first guy news report that happened before they got yelled at and like That was the only major news counting of it I've seen so far where first it like very prominently discussed how the first thing the Israeli Ultras did was just
Starting point is 01:03:26 randomly assault a fucking Moroccan cab driver. Yeah. And then a lot of the response was just based on how cab drivers talked to each other and were like, you know, probably that guy probably went, hey, these are the assholes that beat the shit out of me for no reason. Yeah. And also again, I don't know, all these guys getting into fights over fucking someone spilling a beer on somebody that are this size anyway.
Starting point is 01:03:50 It was like the Nazi punching debates. I'm like, people get punched for fucking liking the wrong team, like for being a non-Philadelphia sports fan. Like, I don't know like one, how you could characterize this as the Israelis not starting it. But two, why it's a big deal if they get their asses kicked. I'm sorry, you went to a soccer game. Yeah. And okay, like, I did a little interview at the one Maccabee Tel Aviv who said,
Starting point is 01:04:24 the Arabs spanked my bottom and now my bottom is sore. The one Maccabee Tel Aviv fan who said, the Arab spanked my bottom and now my bottom is sore. A beep at my bottom and now my bottom is big. This is just like Anne Frank. And I gotta say, my favorite was the guy that they just dumped in the canal. And he was like, they were like, well leave if you say free Palestine. And he was like, free Palestine? And again, the fact that the entire,
Starting point is 01:04:45 once again, the entire news media treated this like these assholes starting a fight, getting their fucking asses kicked by, I know thanks to you Felix, Dutch Moroccans can fight. Yeah, one of my favorite kickboxers of all time. Well they have to, they're in the Netherlands. One of my favorite kickboxers of all time,
Starting point is 01:05:03 Badr Hari. Just knock out King. I wish he was there. But no, like we're you know, they they lose an election and they're still having to denounce some soccer fans getting their ass kicked in fucking Holland. Like the US government has to speak on this.
Starting point is 01:05:21 The US, really? Yeah, like you're still not in my business. You're still you're still kissing the ass of this fucking rotten country that like A. cost you the election. Yeah. B. was doing everything in their power to elect your opponent. This is the first time the U.S. has cared about soccer. Yeah. Like ever. And then like to see all the comments about like oh like I hope they're happy when when Gaza gets raised and colonized by the Israelis and it's just sort of like they were doing that in front of everyone's face like a week ago. Absolutely nothing has changed here. And I'm sure like, look, to the extent
Starting point is 01:05:54 that like the Trump administration will be even more like frictionless for the like ongoing, you know, colonization of the Gaza Strip, then like fine. But like, what would have been nice if if Joe Biden disagreed with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, because originally his message was that like there will be no ceding of territory. This is just a limited military operation. Well then it's incumbent on him to speak out against it,
Starting point is 01:06:17 which he certainly hasn't done. And what they have done is in the waning days of this election, give Israel a 30 day deadline to start complying with international human rights. And then will the 30 day deadline was up several days after the election. So I'm hoping for a follow up on that. Sure, that'll be enforced. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Once again, I just like pass the buck too, because they could say we tried. He's the one fucking I can't like, I do not want to I cannot bear to hear a single bar about how fucking Genocidal racist and evil the Trump administration will be after a year of this shit from the Democrats Yeah, I just like I can't do it can't do it not gonna have it not gonna have it I guess the last thing I'll talk about like I'm wondering about my favorite of the post-election Reactions came courtesy of Joy Reid on MSNBC post-election reactions came courtesy of Joy Reid on MSNBC.
Starting point is 01:07:07 And when I heard a transcript of this, I literally thought someone was making it up. I had to watch the clip for myself. You had to check the fake news. I thought it was fake news. But she was like, talking about how, you can't blame this on Kamala, she ran a brilliant, perfect campaign. I mean, this really was an historic,
Starting point is 01:07:21 flawlessly run campaign. She had, Queen Latifah never endorses anyone. Her evidence for that was literally Queen Latifah endorsed her this time and Queen Latifah never endorses anyone. And then she went on to say of course she had the Swifties on her side too. And by the way, the Swifties as a political force is pretty hilarious because I guarantee you half of them voted for Donald Trump. We're talking about white women here. We're talking about white women here. We're talking about white women here. So a good chunk of them were probably Trump supporters.
Starting point is 01:07:50 But I just say like her plaintiff sort of whale Queen Latifah endorser and Queen Latifah she never usually she never endorses anyone. Yeah, they're really tapped into the American people. I mean, I knew the Equalizer was a popular show. I didn't know how popular. How do you think the Swifties would do as soccer hooligans? It would be like chimps. Like they would like attack like your eyes and like.
Starting point is 01:08:15 Yeah, there'd be a lot of hair pulling. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll leave it there for today. Until next time, everyone. Bye bye. Bye. Oh, and left wing hats are available at ChopperTraphouse.store
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