Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Jayden Daniels shines, Josh Allen MVP frontrunner, panic time for 49ers

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson breakdown Washington Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels phenomenal performance on the road against Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho breakdown Josh Allen's 4 TD performance against the struggling Trevor Lawerence and the Jaguars, the Dolphins QB search and what they need to save their season, the latest news on San Francisco 49ers RB Christian McCaffrey seeing a specialist in Germany and much more!03:18 - SHOW STARTS04:44 - OCHO RING OF HONOR CIGARS06:30 - Commanders beat Bengals28:07 - Bills beat Jags35:35 - Miami QB situation40:36 - Niners burning Jersey45:00 - CMC going to Germany51:30 - Chris Long Sot on Carter56:00 - Justin Tucker kicking struggles01:01:00 - Reggie Bush sues NCAA01:03:35 - Rough Draft Best Rookie Season(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Daniels is Matthew Mark Luke and John. He's the gospel. He's him. H period, I period him. He's him. Yeah, he is. He is. He was 21 of 23, 254 yards, two touchdowns, zero turnovers, 91% completion percentage. He goes on the road in a hostile environment

against the bingos. And we know the bingoingo the crowd is gonna be raucous they're o and 2 they don't want to go down o and 3 it's very very hard to make the playoffs going down over 3 because guess what in order for you to get back to 500 you got to win your next three games that gets you back at 500 you have a slip up you could easily be one in five. Not to make matters worse on as as I'm not going to say it as as we play next. Watch this as as you to bang will play next. Don't you got don't you got Baltimore? No, Baltimore. Who

do you got? Oh, y'all got the Panthers. That's a win for the Panthers. I got the Panthers. That's easy. That's easy. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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They got them one, they got them a 12 year, they got them a 10, 12 year franchise quarterback and we got a small sample size of it at LSU. I didn't expect him to come in this early as a rookie. And this is the question I'm gonna ask you as a rookie and look this good this early. And my question to you, uncle is, but you might have a better, better way of answering why is it that some rookies can come in their rookie year and look the par to look like they've been before the CJ shrouds, the Jaden, the Jaden Daniels, and then you have other rookies that don't look the par to look like they've been before the CJ shrouds, the Jayden, the Jayden Daniels. And then you have other rookies that don't look the par. They struggle. They don't play well.

That's, that's where any position, some wide receivers come in and you get a Randy Moss or you get a Pooka Nakua or you get a Justin Jefferson. And then sometimes guys, it takes a little longer. Everybody doesn't mature some people reach maturity at 18 Some people it takes them 21 some people take some 25 some people never damn mature But you do it all depends on look the one thing we know about Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah, he can coach some quarterbacks Yeah, yeah, he and Lincoln Riley can coach quarterbacks now We can you can say what you want to say about them as head coaches, but when it comes to running an offense, when it comes to putting a quarterback and taking what he does really

well and accentuating that and putting him in the most positive position so he can have success, it's hard to say somebody is better than those two. Now, Sarkeesian might have something to say about that because we know what he's done with quarterbacks in his tenure as an OC and a head coach. But that's the one thing, Cliff Kingsbury, Lincoln Riley can do. They can coach the quarterback position and he has a quarterback processes information very well. He sees the field very well. He had Terry McLuhan earlier on a seven route and he threw it out of bounds.

A hundred percent of the balls that land out of bounds, they're incomplete. But you say what he did on that next one, he put it up under the wrist, gave McLaurin an opportunity. Keep him in bounds. In the breadbasket. And McLaurin did a great job of holding on to it. Oh Joe, this young man, I mean, the moment is not too big. You saw what he did at LSU last year.

He won the Heisman Trophy. He was sensational, dual threat quarterback. But the thing that I love most about him, he's not relying on his legs. He will only run if it's absolutely necessary. Absolutely necessary. And you know, he doesn't have the most, you know, size on him. He's not 230 pounds.

So he understands that I have to pick and choose my spots in order for me to run. And when I do run, I got to make sure I protect myself because they made it easy. I can slide like I'm going stealing a base, but he was 21 of 23, two 54, two touchdowns. They ran the ball for 106 yards. Oh, Joey B didn't play bad. He was 29 of 38, three, 24, three touchdowns. They ran the ball for 124 yards. But those first couple of possession when they fell behind.

And you know what else now, those first couple of possessions, those two, four down conversions that the command was able to, um, they were able to, um, able to convert like that, that hurt. Like I thought, honestly, to me, I'm thinking, listen, bangles, we have a history of always starting up, starting up out the gate, you know, very slow, especially offensively start Oh and two, Oh and three. I don't, I don't think that's happened. That, that, that has happened to we've been to this point in a very, very long time.

But the offense looked good tonight as opposed to what it did last week and the week prior. We had all hands on deck offensively, but we couldn't pull it out. I'm hoping that when we go to Carolina next week, which is a game that I'm going to attend, I'm going to go out there to Carolina and in the game, hoping that we

could bounce back and see what happens. Per ESPN, the Commander's Bingo's game is the first game since 1940 to go without a single punt or a single turnover in the ballgame. Yeah. Oh, 1940. So you're talking about they have 85 years, they have the 85 years, Ocho, a game in which there was not a single point from either team and

either neither team turned the football over. So it was some good clean football. Nobody brought their defenses. Everybody packed an extra offense. Right. They were growing up and down the field that lets lets you know there was no defense being played, Ocho. When you can go, think about it.

OK, I've been on teams that we didn't punt the football. But the other team punted, or the other team turned it. When you go an entire game and neither team punts, neither team turns it over, that's why the stat, 1940, ain't a whole lot of people around to see that. I don't even know. There were only probably about five or 16 playing then. Maybe Washington, Pittsburgh, the Packers, the Bears.

There weren't a whole lot of teams playing way back there though, Joe. Like I said, the Packers and the Bears, we know they were playing. Washington, Chicago, they were playing Washington, Chicago. They were playing maybe the Giants, maybe, but there weren't a whole lot of teams. Um, man, is this this would hurt, man.

Oh, they were. They didn't go by the name that they go by now. They were the Brooklyn Dodgers, the Chicago Bears, the Chicago Cardinals, the Cleveland Rams, Green Bay Packers, the New York Jets, the Pirates, which later became the Steelers, and they also have a Pittsburgh Pirates, and the Washington, they were known as the, the derogatory term, they're the commanders now,

but we know what that term was. So there was two, four, six, there were 18s back then, and that was an unbelievable stat. two, four, six, there were 18s back then. And that was an unbelievable stat. Earlier this week, Cam Taylor Britt has some interesting things to say about Jalen Daniels. Let's take a listen to the sound, don't you? Uh-oh, what my dog said.

Yeah, the balls, they don't make them do a lot. They keep it really simple for them. Nice colors, all things. Kingsbury and the O.C., so they have a little more guys around here and there, but, you know, just keeping a real simple form. I heard he's a transfer center, but he's only going short route, you know, some intermediate stuff. Can I ask you a question, Ocho?

Why y'all talk so much and y'all ain't won nothing? Who was y'all? I mean, that was the Bengals, the Bengals, the Bengals. Y'all talk every year. Y'all be y'all built to beat Kansas City. Y'all built to beat this. We best we that whether y'all going to Super Bowl, whether y'all going to do something that gives you the credence and the credibility to talk and him. He's talking like he Rebus.

There's three weeks in a row. I've heard him mention they've mentioned He had an unbelievable in a one-handed intercepting. Yeah Yeah, listen, listen camp camp taylor britain is a very a very good db. He's a very good db He doesn't have to be rebus, but he's a different type of db. But what he is he he is he's a good He's a good cover man He's a good cover man man a man good zone whatever it is that they want to do but

I think from an individual standpoint him talking that might be his his way of playing the game Listen when I played I talk I talked every week, huh? But it's one thing is one thing I did when I did talk. Yes, we backed it up and I asked y'all to I say We're y'all why y'all talking so much with y'all in one ish That's the way I approach the game whether we win it or not. We can wait. Listen, we could be on 12 I'm gonna be talking we we get to talk we get to talk on choke. We can talk we want another war We gonna get in there a little bit later. We want what we want another war It's all my it's all the bag we all you had to do Of course I mean, all you had to do is just look and see. I don't want to know.

Look, of course, so you expect him to come in as a rookie, his first, second and third game to run an office is complicated as Patrick Mahomes, as complicated as Josh Allen, as complicated as a guy that's been playing in the National Football League for an extremely long, uh, uh, uh, extreme extended period of time. Of course. I have a question. Yes.

Do you know what happens when you have a player of his caliber that's doing what he's doing so early? We're talking about Jayden Daniels in general. You have a player of his caliber doing what he's doing so early. You watch what he did in college. Why not take what he did in college extremely well, which is the reason why he won the highest in Trophy and that after we can incorporate that to what he does at the NFL level. Yeah. And bingo, you get the same thing, the same high level of play, the same level of high level of being able to process

information, being able to live in a ball, make, make your decision, do your reads. And if it's not there, pull it down and run with it. Which is what you saw tonight. Maybe simplifying the offense makes it that much easier. Maybe you can pop back. Less is more. All I know is y'all let a rookie

with that simple offense that's very collegiate, all I know is he completed 91% of his passes. He had two touchdowns, no turnover, and y'all didn't force a punch. So for that office to be so simplistic it h all ass up. I Mean if he will cook it now he gonna be guess what he about to be he about to be player of the week He might have been here to play out a week over Sam Darnham because he look look what he did on the road in a hostile Environment that's what he did on the road in a hostile environment. That's what he did on your game ball. I think you gave me a ball after the game. So while you over there talking, Britt, put your head down.

You got your tower. You in your locker talk mumbling. You know, hey, hey, we just got to make it up. I know. No, no, no, no, no. Hold your head up. I don't know. They don't talk. No, you don't talk about my team. Don your head up. Hey, don't, no, no, hey, don't talk. No, no, you talk. You don't talk about my team. Don't talk about my team like that, man.

No, I'm gonna talk about them. Don't talk about my team like that. Y'all own three. I keep telling you, last year has no bearing on this year. You keep saying, y'all know we start slow and we start slow, okay? Keep on starting slow, guess what? You own three now.

Yeah. You got the work cut out for you. Yeah, we got work cut out. We got more than that work cut out for you yeah we got work cut out we got more than that work cut out listen if we're serious if we're serious about the end goal and trying to get to new orleans listen too we got more than that work cut out for us but we got to regroup we got to look at each other in the mirror and figure out what is what is what do we really want to do what is that trying to accomplish because if we if we come out the gate and go

hole-in-hole and we might wear chocolate seasoning. I'm trying to figure out why you looking in the mirror now So after the first game that you were in New England I want to gain since beat the breaks off you that I wasn't that wasn't that one to check for you Okay, I get it Kansas City going on the road to Kansas City. I ain't no harm in losing the Kansas City But you told me I'll be You almost won that game now I get it Kansas City going on the road to Kansas City ain't no harm and losing the Kansas City You have been a you have been to my diner You know my diner was that I feel it wins and losses doves and ale. That's all I serve That's all just on the menu. You can't order anything else. You either get it when you come when you come to club shake shake You can't order anything else you either get it when you cut when you come to club shake shake

You get jobs or you get else what the one thing about the NFL is a game of inches and that game against the cheese They got no inches listen we we we would have won that game. It wasn't for what at the end of the game He ran up ran up ran right up Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm just saying you know But you're right, but we can't we can't we go on foe if I'm telling I'm telling you now We go on foe. I'm gonna go slap asshole and I'm gonna start snapping. I don't know what to know I don't talk about this. I want to talk about y'all be always three. So what's going on? Oh Joe? I Don't I don't know. I don't know what talk about this. I want to talk about y'all being 0 and 3. So what's going on, Ocho? I don't know. I don't know what's going on.

Obviously today, defensively, we didn't show up. We didn't show up defensively. We have two of our D tackles that are hurt right now. And that's it from all from the standpoint, we look good. Offensively, we're good. I think we could have done more. But I mean, uh, God, you know, your defense will kick it with your office was selling for field

goals too. Y'all were matching touchdown for touchdown. No team in the NFL has ever started. Oh, and three and made it to the Superbowl since 1990. Since the new format was instituted, only four teams have made the playoffs after starting Oh, and three, but there's a possibility that we might be the 15 to make it after starting 0 and 3. What do you think? There's a possibility I can win the lottery. I ain't going to buy a 200 million dollar house to prove

it. There's a possibility I can win it. You going to buy a house that costs 40 million with the possibility you might win the lottery to pay for it? Absolutely not. Okay, I was just checking. All I need to know is what's going on with your life. So Joe. There was a lot of the office didn't look that bad.

Joe Burrow had a good game today. You know, the calories. Did you ever have the lead in the game? No. OK. And one point, you all was down by like for 1314, right? Yeah, we was able to we was able to come back We was able to do what? Well, we don't got what the clothes y'all got in this ballgame

What was it 13 10 no 10 10 10 Look all I know is the only time that closeness matters if you slow dancing or you throwing grenades or pitching horseshoes now I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think it's like ten. I think it was. Hey, look, all I know is the only time that closeness matters if you slow dancing or you're throwing grenades or pitching horseshoes. Now, which

one we all doing tonight that closeness had to matter. Hey, I mean, I ain't slow dancing since I was in eighth grade. I remember eighth grade. We had a day. I was the the chaperone kept busting my hustle. You know, I try to get it in. Don't you

know, I'm trying to get you know, huh? They say you back it up, back it up. Uh huh. Out of here. Damn. That old shake cook. I'm trying to cook. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Hey, you know, you know, it's funny. Normally, I'm not at a loss

for words. Normally, I always have a reason, a reason for why things are the way they are but you know, it's almost unheard of for a team, especially like the Bengals with the type of talent that they have on both sides of the ball With the quarterback like we do have at the helm to be on three like there's really no explanation for it

I can't explain it. I would love to see the all 22 film Um, but like god damn just watch this watching From afar actually being at the game tonight. It is it's hard for me to explain what the problem is Yeah, you know we didn't play well on defense though i know i know that i know we had to well i mean consider all that for the point hell no you didn't play well on defense you gave up 38 points to a rookie quarterback in just this third start and but y'all was close like me in the eighth grade you know i'm trying to have my hands down around the waist and every once in a while i drop them a little lower.

They talking about put your hands on the shoulder. What kind of slow dancing is that on child? Who put their hands over their shoulders and talking about slow dancing? I ain't over at the Halloween. I ain't Frankenstein. Man, I'm trying to get, you know, I'm trying to get close. You know what I'm saying? I don't try to get close.

Right, right, right. They busting my hustle though. That's like Washington. Bust y'all hustle tonight. It's fine. Listen, we're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right.

We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. We're busting my hustle though that's like watching them bust y'all hustle tonight it's it's fine i listen we're gonna be all right we're gonna be all right and i'm listen i'm trying not to get emotional and i promise myself i wouldn't cry i don't i don't need to be crying listen i'm crying too much on this damn show in a minute crying too goddamn much but um i think we we're gonna be all right i'm trying to i'm trying to remain optimistic i'm not trying to throw the towel in i think even at oh and three we might be sitting here

10 weeks from now hell they might be 10 and three hey i got a towel you can throw in if you ain't got one handy you want to throw them hey listen we got we got what it takes though Hey, listen, we got we got what it takes though. What you mean to turn the season around? It's still early. It's only this week three. It's week three. We still got 13 weeks to go. Okay, Gloria step on turn the beat around.

Hey, it's possible. I'm telling you, if there's anybody that can do it Joe Burr can do it man We put man on the moon Hell anything possible. Yeah, they got people living right now with Pig Heart Yeah, so yeah anything possible Hey, it ain't likely though. We got Chase Brown. Hey all I do the Broncos one went on the road and did another on Tampa Bay. Who the Broncos got more victories than the Bengals.

Hey, y'all won one game. I love man. Come on. How many games have you won? Last I checked one is more than knowing now I know mathematician. I have to bag with what you don't want wanna do is you don't wanna put your foot in your mouth, talk about your Broncos winning the game. When they probably-

We won! How I put my foot in my mouth? I'm just stating the obvious. We went on the road and beat Tampa. Y'all at home. Who y'all got next week? Whatever it is, the only way y'all can catch us with one loss record is y'all gotta win.

We already gotta do it. I guarantee you the Bengals finish this season with a better record and actually we'll be in the playoffs unlike your Broncos. Now let's bet that. Who the Broncos got the Jets? Bronco, we got the Jets. Oh Gang, lost? Yeah, you might as well chalk that up because the way Aaron Rodgers looking right now, he

gonna pass you out of home and now. Where they play them at in New York. It don't matter where they play. It don't matter. It don't matter where they play. That definitely don't matter. Don't do that. Well, clearly it don't matter where y'all play cause y'all lose wherever. New York, y'all lose it. Massachusetts. Y'all go to Kansas, Missouri. Y'all losing in Ohio. So clearly it don't matter where y'all play either. Okay. Keep the same energy. When we got to tell you, Missouri y'all losing in Ohio. So clearly it don't matter where y'all play even okay

Keep the same energy when we got telling you keep the same energy When we get to the middle of the season, oh It'd be over you and I'll be with a we probably be reminiscing and talking about a talk about next season. No No, not not. Hey, I just saw somebody in the chat. So that banged his tank to get Travis Hunter. Hey man, hey, they banged up. Hey, they tank, if they want to, Paul Brown ain't paying nobody. He gonna stop and cut G. He gonna turn the direct deposit off on everybody check.

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Maybe you can relate to it as well. As a woman, I think it's a very powerful feeling to have a job at which you're able to see improvements in real time. On the show, we dissect everything going on in the game straight from the biggest players in the world. Plus, serve up recaps of all the matches and headlines in the game, including a rundown of the US Open every Monday. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast every Monday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. All right, here we go. It's Cam Jordan from the New Orleans Saints here to tell you it's going down on season two of my podcast, Off the Edge with me, Cam Jordan. Can't stop it. You know what's going to happen. It can't stop it.

That's right. Catch the new episodes every Wednesday all season long. That's what you look for in year 14 to do more. And I'll have my friends who happen to be some of the NFL's biggest stars join me on the pod. We'll give you a player's perspective of the biggest storylines, trends, and did that really just happen moments from around the league.

And you know we'll have fun doing it. Ha! Yeah! Oh, and I'll have a special guest each month join me to mix it up a little bit. Who is it? None other than Syke. You have to tune in to find

out. So tap in to off the edge with Cam Jordan's podcast, your ultimate playbook for all things football and not football. Listen on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Fantasy football fans, the NFL season is here and now is the time to get ready to dominate your leagues. The best way to crush your opponents this season is to listen to the NFL season is here and now is the time to get ready to dominate your leagues. The best way to crush your opponents this season is to listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

Come hang out with me, Marcus Grant, and my pal Michael F. Florio as we give you all the info you need to absolutely steamroll your fantasy league and bring home a championship. You don't need to spend hours each day breaking down every stat and every stitch of game tape to set a winning lineup. That's our job. We'll provide all the insights you need to set the best lineups each week. All you need to do is listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast when it drops five times a week. If you're looking for a smart, fun, and entertaining path to dominating your fantasy leagues, then look no further than the show straight from the source at NFL Media.

Do it before it's too late. Subscribe now and listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Phils routed the Jags 47-10 and Buffalo Josh Allen led 5 touchdown drives in the first half. All 5 led with touchdowns. They had 34 points left to have. Josh Allen 23 of 30, 263, 4 touchdowns in the game.

Allen also rushed a 44 yards on 6 carry. The Bills have scored 30 points in each of their first 3 games. That's the first time since 2011. Remember the concerns that a Bollyhoo about the bills trading Stefan D the Jags have lost an NFL worse eight straight games dating back to last season. Trevor Lawrence has started each game. He joined Jim Pluckett as the only number one overall quarterback in the common draft. Nothing. The common draft goes back to 1967 to

have multiple losing streaks of at least eight or more games. Lawrence lost eight straight as a rookie in 2021. It went, uh, at what point in time do we hold Trevor Lawrence accountable and says, he's not, he's not what we thought he was. Yes. I mean, at what point do we now, now got you're gonna have the guy, me chat. Y'all gonna have to stay with me on this game. Cause obviously I was at the bangles game tonight.

So I wasn't able to see the bills demolish the Jaguars. I had no idea the score was like that. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm thinking, listen, the bills you lose when you're dominant targets and Stefan digs. And I had no idea what they would look like. I thought it would be a rebuilding process somewhat because Josh Allen is taking up so much of that money, so much of the cap space. It's only so much they can do offensively and putting pieces around him. But I don't know how they doing it, but he making it work.

They making it work. Yeah. And God damn right now with the way Josh Allen is playing with them having 30, they scored 30 this week, the night they scored 47, they had 30 some last week, if I'm not mistaken. And I don't know what they had in the first goddamn game. Well, God damn, even though it's early in the season,

Josh Allen would be the MVP front runner right now based on how he's playing. Well, I think the thing you're going to- And that's with them, it's a target. Well, I think the thing is that's with them. Mr. Target. Well, you have to look at it like this. Now, he was a different player once he got Stefan D. He's established himself now.

It's kind of like Patrick Mahomes. I don't know if Patrick Mahomes would have turned. He still could have been Pat Mahomes, but he had Tyree. So he had Tyree for those years, built his confidence, his ability. So now when you take Tyreek away, he's still Patrick Mahone. You can't really miss him other than the deep shots that they haven't been able to connect on since he's been gone. But he went back to back Super Bowls.

He's been a league MVP and he's a two-time Super Bowl MVP. So Josh Allen, because he had those years, he's grown. He's matured. Well, you can lose that piece once you become established. It's kind of like you starting a corporation, Ocho. You might not build that corporation. You need certain pieces, but once you get it going, you know how to operate without a big important piece.

Wait, but okay. I mean, now that you say that, do you think that the Bills have a honest chance to get where they wanna go, obviously compete for a Lombardi Trophy in New Orleans, without one special piece to be able to get the ball to, or is it better that he doesn't have a Stefan Diggs where he has to force the ball to and force feed him and find ways of getting the ball to keep him happy,

or you think it's better how the situation is now? I think it has a lot to do with the quarterback and how he handles that situation. A lot of guys like going to the tech, go into a situation where it takes away from them because they're trying to keep X happy. Tom Brady knew how to do it. Tom Brady, like he said, he knew how to talk to Randy. Hey bro, I ain't got it till you yet, but don't think I ain't trying. Don't think I ain't looking.

And you never saw anybody show Tom Brady up on the sideline, have you? No. You never saw anybody show Peyton Manning up on the sideline, have you? You never saw anybody show Patrick Mahomes. You see, there has to be a certain level of respect that works both ways in order for us,

if we're a teammate, if we're both trying to do the same thing, don't show me up. Because guess what happens normally? What happens when you show somebody up, you drop a couple and sometimes it's in crucial situations. Yeah. And then wait till now quarterback quarterback was like, you going to feel some type of way. You have to always be cognizant of that Ocho because the Sun are ain't gonna always be shining face

Sometimes it's gonna be at your back. Yeah So, uh, yeah, I think you know Josh When he's dealing like this when he doesn't turn the ball over the only problem is turnovers when he doesn't turn the ball over. His only problem is turnovers. For people to say he's overrated, I don't know what they're looking at. Because if Josh Allen is overrated, well, there are about 28 other quarterbacks that's over damn rated. Josh Allen isn't overrated. Yeah, listen, I think more so maybe he's turnover prone and once he's being able to fix that with the decision-making and most of the time in it I'm trying to do too much old joke every situation doesn't call for you to be Superman sometimes you can be Clark Kent yeah you know sometimes you put on your hat your top coat and

just drive you don't have to save the world every single day yeah and listen sometimes he get into that mode where he tries to save the game when that's not required of him Yeah, and you know when to change in the back that suit, right? But Trevor Lawrence, he's lost a straight Monday night also marked the first time tomorrowar Hamlin has gotten an interception. It's been 630 days prior to Damar Hamlin. Remember that incident that happened in Cincinnati, Ocho? He suffered cardiac arrest on the field. They had to resuscitate him. They brought him back and now he's starting for the Buffalo Bills and he got his first interception tonight.

for the Buffalo Bills and he got his first interception tonight. Damn, congratulations Demar. Well deserved. Well deserved. I'm very happy. I'm trying to think, where did I meet him at? Man, I'm mad, man. Friends, friends.

Yeah, I made him in for, yeah. Yeah, we were on a panel. We actually were on a panel discussion. Me, he, I made him in for. Yeah. Yeah, we were on a panel. We actually we're on a panel discussion. Me, he, I and Cheney, right? Ogumake. And so, yeah, he's a great young man. Understand the ordeal that he went through, obviously. Tough because you don't know.

Yeah. If you're going to ever play again, that's the last thing on your mind when you're going through that situation. I'm sure all he was thinking about, let me get healthy. And I want to I don't want my dream to end like this. Yeah, this is not how I've got to at least try to get back. And if I get back. I can live, but at least I came back.

That wasn't, that's not what, that's not what I want people to remember me for. Is laying on the field, non-responsive, being brought back, and then ride off into the sunset. So Demar, congratulations bro, we're proud of you. We're rooting for you. You have a lot of support out here, not just your family, friends, and loved one, but the entire football community was rooting for you. Congratulations on your first

interception. This was supposed to be marquee year for the Dolphins. So far it's turned into a night where as it stands, Tua will not be able to practice and play until week eight at the earliest. And even that might be a hopeful timeline. While the schedule is extremely favorable until that time, they get the Titans, Patriots, Colts and Cardinals. It's tough to favor Miami and any of them based on the quarterback situation. Oh, whoa. This is Brother Skyler Thompson is hurt. Tyler Huntley is stepping in.

Tyler Huntley has played some good football. Who is with the Ravens? Like, think he can bring a little bit of a different title offense though. That was a run based offense. Yeah. The pass based offense. And you know what? You know what I think even from a passer standpoint. What you thinking? I think you'll be a little bit better than Skyler Thompson and being able to get that goddamn ball to Waddle. Being able to get that ball to Cheezer. Being able to get that ball to cheese up, being able to get that ball to, like, yeah, I think we gon' be all right, man.

Got a nice little quarterback, he can pull it down and run with it when he need to. It might not be as bad as you think. If he can get in the boys about maybe the two and two. It's bad. What? It's bad. So you don't believe in Tyler Hundley. You say it's not as bad as I think. Right. I think

it's worse. No, it's not as bad as you may think it is. Okay. I'm not saying that we bringing in Lamar Jackson. I ain't calling me Lamar Jackson but the man he can play. You know you know hardly was a free agent at one time right right? Here's a who a free agent Yes, sir Any other 32 other teams could anyone any one of those other teams could assign it? Well, sometimes, you know, they do that so you know that I hope you'll stop now that you a quarterback They might do that some other positions not that position because it's too valuable. It's too valuable plot of land. I

because it's too valuable. It's too valuable a plot of land. I will say something but I ain't gonna say it. Go ahead. I don't even feel like being controversial but don't worry about it. I'm gonna let that one go. I think the thing is is that look there are Ryan Tannehill available. Cam Newton is available. I don't know if Cam really wants to play or if he's in shape to play football. Dan's been ridder. Possible trade targets. Bryce Young, Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz. Wait, to go where? To Miami. Bryce Young and two on the same team? I wonder why, I mean what other quarterbacks out there that are for me with that offense? Well, I mean, I like 10 years, it would have been nice. Carson wins, run ran a variance

of it. Right. Doug Peterson, Doug Peterson learned under Andy Reed. Andy Reed got the West Coast, they all come from the same number. Coach Parcell, Mike Hongren. So it's a offshoot of it. It's not like Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and Mike McDaniel, all those guys really. Yeah. But it's an offshoot of it.

Or they could tank and get the number one pick next year. Hey, I mean, you know how difficult it is. You might get, and you might get Travis Hunter or you could get your door. Oh, okay. Wait, Jacksonville? No Miami. Oh, my God. From Jacksonville. Oh no. Wait, I'm, I'm Miami. Where the boot off from Jacksonville? Oh no, wait, I'm thinking about the quarterback situation because I'm thinking about being a bus. I hate using that word.

I hate using that word for that position. Especially when you go as high as number one. To Miami, Chidor. Man, that's, no, that's impossible. I took Miami. It's your door. That's that's no that's impossible. You just paid to her. That's impossible. Damn, man. I mean sometimes people build a new house

and sell it. What? Sometimes people build a new house and sell it. Nah, not really. Not really. I've never heard of that one. Yo, yeah. If you build something, you're gonna be there longer than three or five years. Nah, I'm looking to flip. Are you trying?

Maybe they go get Joe Flacco. Okay, now that's a good move. You talk about you wanna add a spark to your offense and not miss a beat or a step, you go get your Joe Flacco. He can go push it down the field. Now he got an arm. Yeah, he do.

He ain't gonna move now. The Statue of Liberty has moved more than Joe Flacco in the last 175 years. Okay, 150. But anyway, you get where I'm going. Yeah, I got you. I got you 49ers fans. Oh Joe are burning a random. I use Jersey. Oh That's the point that's why they break that's why they burn in the Jersey Here they go man, come on that man Oh, here they go, man. Come on, man.

Well, fans, we got we got fans have stopped being so fickle. You mean you're Brandon. You listen, you pay for that jersey. You ain't heard Brandon at all. You don't hurt him at all. But did he did he do something wrong with the Adamo fantasy fantasy team and they expected the fact that he got all that money, he's supposed to come out out the gate, having a phenomenal season yet They expect yes, that's not that's not the way it works

That's not the way it works. There's just the Jefferson got paid. That's the way it worked CD lamb got paid he he worked. Well, you know, he got paid it worked So what you mean is not in the way it's supposed to work. I Mean a brown came out the gate fire until he hurt his hamstring it worked way it's supposed to work. AJ Brown came out the gate fire until he hurt his hamstring. It worked. Devontae Smith came out the gate fire. It worked.

So I'm trying to figure out what you mean. That's not how it's supposed to work. You notice everybody you just mentioned was in training camp except CD? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, just making sure, just to show you the importance of training camp and how much is needed.

Training camp don't matter. Hey listen, oh shit me, oh it matter. You see though, remember the first game he dropped those two balls? camp and how much how much is needed. Training camp don't matter. Hey listen. Oh shit me. Oh it matter. You see though remember the first game he dropped those two balls. Remember the end zone the corner out the corner right end zone that we're right. Yeah I saw. Yeah for sure. And listen I'm telling you as much as much you've been doing it all your life.

We've been playing football the game of football all our life. There's a reason why you have practice. There's a reason why you have training camp because in real time you want your hand, eye coordination to be open, be open. You have to train the eye to be able to see that ball, no matter how easy you may think it is because in game tempo and game speed is different. Especially at night, Ocho, because you know how easy that ball is to get lost up in those lines.

Quick to go I mean to go from like whoo and then especially when that ball is up. Yeah That's why you know, that's what I tell people you catch the football with your eyes not with your hands people I always know no no no, you got to look that thing in and the Objective is is to try to pick it up as quick as you can out of the quarterbacks thing Yeah, yeah, cuz you wait to that ball halfway the quarter the way there the ball. I'm playing here and the the objective is is to try to pick it up as quick as you can out of the quarterback thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, you waited that ball halfway

three-quarters of the way there and then plus it's harder to catch the ball once you once you jump or you die because your eyes jump. Yeah. And so, it's a hard throw. The hardest throw to catch is over the top because you got to track that ball from here. Yeah. Especially,

especially if you come over your shoulder too if it can't drop it out. Yes. Yes. You got so you gotta track that ball just like this. Mm hmm. Just like a just like a baseball player. You see baseball players, how they track the

ball and they catch it over the shoulder. Right. Drupie was great at doing that. Mm hmm. Andrew Drones, Bats, lot lot of those, Willie Mays, great center fielders, can track the ball. But guess what? What do they say? They pick it up at the crack of the bat.

Right. See, if you don't hit it at the crack of the bat, you don't know where to go and how fast you need to go to get there. So the objective is to try to pick that ball up as quick as you can out of the quarterback's hand. And you know what's funny sometimes, depending on how deep your rod is,

you don't even see the ball leave the quarterback hand. You just see the offensive line and defensive line. You just see the ball shoot up out. You just see the ball leave his hand. And you try to track it the best way you can. That's why I always tell guys, the best way to catch a football is to get your head around ASAP.

Yes, sir. Because if you slow with your head, you couldn't be slow with your hair with John because he's going to hit you upside your day. Bad if you, hey, if you slow and people don't realize he's throwing that ball 40 miles an hour, that's it hurt. Right. Because you not expecting just imagine when somebody hit you upside your head. Yeah, you got to help at all, but it down. Right.

So snap your head around, get your eyes and try to catch the football. But you're in trouble. Look, I understand fans fans are upset that he's not off because remember how he parlayed until that contract. Right. Sensational last year, especially with Debo being out. Right. And so he stepped up and showed I can be a number one. So they just want that Debo.

I look, I get it. It's coming. It's coming. Yeah. It's coming. Uh, check this out. Oh Joe. And Adam Shepter is reporting.

Christian McCaffrey is seeing a specialist in Germany regarding his Achilles tendonitis. Good to 49ers be panicking? I mean, if you're going to see a specialist in week three, the football season and the specialist all the way in Germany, which means all the resources that the NFL has that are actually right here in the States don't know what's going on and you have to go that far away. That's why, where do you think, where do you think all the top guys go?

Where you think tiger went? Where you think Manning went? What you think? Yeah. Yeah. Because you have to understand in America, they have certain standards that other countries will go above and beyond those standards. So if it's on somebody else dime, hell yeah, I'm going to.

Damn. Achilles tendonitis. Oh, I had it. I had it in college, my senior year, Ocho. All that pain was a B. So how did it, I mean, how does it work? Does it feel like you, you, you, you got a pie? It's like pop pop pop?

It's a sharp pain. Anytime walk, forget running, walking was a problem. Walking was a problem. It's just like, you've never had tendonitis in your knee or anything like that. But just imagine a tendonitis in your Achilles. Man, I miss, that was the only time that I had never missed practice in high school, had never missed college practice in college until my senior year.

Think about it. Oh, Joe, my senior year, I wanted to talk. Why I received in the country, every day. Right. I got ice. So I'm sitting out there not practicing. I got ice, but two weeks. Like I miss,

I probably miss like six, seven practices. Wait, how many games you missed? I didn't miss no game because it was, it was, it was in the, like soon as we got to camp. What happened was the trainer tape, tape me too tight and the tape cut into my Achilles. And so that's, that's, that's what brought what brought that's what that's what brought it on. And so.

I may or may not have gotten an injection in it, but I'm going to leave it at that. I know you're not supposed to, but I said I may or may not. And I will do that. So he might miss a little bit more time. Oh, he will miss the time. He'll hour. So that's a miss. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm

saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's

what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But you know, a lot of people go overseas, Ocho, because you know, America, the USDA, they got standard, they could only spin it, you know, they do that PRP and they do that stem cell, they can only spin it one or two times. You know, Germany, they spin that thing and they spin it again and they'll put a little distance here and they put a little that in there. You know, they put a little whole. That's messed up, man.

I'm mad by this damn thing. You going down the wheelchair Ocho and you come out doing the Tuesday roll ah ah I'm telling you. I thought about I thought about going over there to get the heels work though but I said they say Mr. Sharp. There you go. They say Mr. Sharp. They say Mr. Sharp. They can't do that. And right now we have a developed, we have a developed a system that are going to cartilage. He said, if you could go cartilage, I would tell you to go. Right. He's going to get in stem cell and peel. He's all you do it is waste your money because the insurance doesn't care. Cover it. Ouch. I said, man,

let me go and get these hundred four thousand hips. And your hips cost $1400 each. Damn each each. I'm gonna push you over. That's cool. But it worked now. Yeah, it worked. Are you good? Oh yeah. We know you're back there. You go. Come on. It's still soon. Let me get a month. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Let's get let's get the least get the October. Okay. Okay. I ain't gonna say it. No, I ain't gonna say it. I'm just saying you. I mean you said that you laid that was a layup. You talk about. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah. I gave you. Oh yeah. We know that you gave that. Yeah, I gave you Allen Hoover. You layup. You took my. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, I guess. Oh, yeah, we know. Yeah, you gave me that. I gave you a little bit. You did.

You. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you you you dug it over. You dug it over. So bad, bad. Oh, yeah. I bet you nothing else about New York. Okay, okay, okay. I got you. I got you. I got you.

Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's

newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. It was December 2019 when the story blew up. In Green Bay, Wisconsin, former Packer star Kabir Vajabiamila caught up in a bizarre situation. Hey GB, explaining what he believes led to the arrest of his friends at a children's Christmas play. A family man, former NFL player, devout Christian, now cut off from his family and connected to a strange arrest.

I am going to share my journey of how I went from Christianity to now a Hebrew Israelite. I got swept up in Kabir's journey, but this was only the beginning in a story about faith and football, the search for meaning away from the gridiron, and the consequences for everyone involved. You mix homesteading with guns and church and a little bit of the spice of conspiracy theories that we liked. Voila! You got straight away.

I felt like I was living in North Korea, but worse, if that's possible. Listen to Spiral on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Renee Stubbs and I'm obsessed with sports, especially tennis. On the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I get the chance to do what I love, talk about how tennis and other women's sports are growing and changing and what the future holds. I think I just genuinely loved what I did. I love this waking up, putting on my sports gear. I still believe it was so rewarding. Maybe you can relate to it as well. As a woman, I think it's a very powerful feeling to have a job at which you're able to see improvements in real time.

On the show, we dissect everything going on in the game straight from the biggest players in the world. Plus, serve up recaps of all the matches and headlines in the game, including a rundown of the US Open every Monday. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast every Monday on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

All right, here we go. It's Cam Jordan from New Orleans Saints here to tell you it's going down. On season two of my podcast, Off the Edge with me, Cam Jordan. Can't stop it. You know what's gonna happen. Can't stop it. That's right.

Catch new episodes every Wednesday all season long. That's what you look for in year 14, to do more. No, that is wrong! And I'll have my friends who happen to be some of the NFL's biggest stars join me on this pod. We'll give you a player's perspective of the biggest storylines, trends, and did that really just happen? Moments from around the league. And you know we'll have fun doing it. Ha! Yeah!

Oh, and I'll have a special guest each month join me to mix it up a little bit. Who is it? None other than Sike you have to tune in to find out So tap in it's off the edge with cam Jordan's podcast your ultimate playbook for all things football and not football Listen on the I heart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts Fantasy football fans the NFL season is here and now is the time to get ready to dominate your leagues. The best way to crush your opponents this season is to listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Come hang out with me, Marcus Grant and my pal Michael F. Florio as we give you all the info you need to absolutely steamroll your fantasy league and bring home a championship. You don't need to spend hours each day breaking down every stat and every stitch of game tape to set a winning lineup. That's our job. We'll provide all the insights you need to set the

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Chris Long has some thoughts on coaches, Carmen, Jaylen Carter on the sidelines doing a win over the same. Let's take a listen to what he had to say on his podcast. Greenlight. Hold on. Hold on. I don't give a fuck what Jaylen Carter does at the end of the game. He could have done it for three more minutes, flapping his gums at people, inciting people on the field, talking shit to whoever, whoever you want.

That's a hold on. It's a war. It is a war out there. And if you haven't been in a game like that, don't tell Jaylen Carter to calm down because I like it when he cares. And if that's what if that's how how it manifests when this guy's locked in, then he needs to come to the stadium every week, just like that.

And that's what the vets are for. I would rather say, whoa, than sick him. And I am totally fine with how he showed up to go to war yesterday. You like that, Ocho? Yeah, I like it a war yesterday. You like that? Oh Joe. Yeah, I like it a little bit. I like a little bit, but I don't, I don't like

Jaylen the part where was dismissing the coaches and them trying to calm them down is okay. You know, chirp, chirp a little bit, chirp a little bit, chirp a little bit, but not, not, not be so dismissive of those trying to get you to settle down to where it seemed like you're almost uncontrollable. Like, yeah, I just I don't like that part. But, you know, listen, I'm all for it.

Listen, this me, now the actual trash talker, I'm all for that, especially in a way. But doing it in a controlled manner, you know, seeing like being irate in a sense where your coaches can't even call, three of them can't even calm you down. Right. Well, come on, that, come on. But I don't want to take away from Jaylen Carter on what makes him him.

That ferocity. If that makes you, you so be it. But just, you know, be able to be able to, to kind of take heed to those that trying to get you calm down a little bit. Yeah. Oh Joe, I'd never really got that upset. I didn't. Right. Right. Right. Right. Now, now with the coaches, I mean, look, I think the thing is that coaches kind of know like who to go at and who not to go at. I come off the field, you know, Hey, I don't miss the block or I dropped the pass, you know, Hey, you know,

normally it's like, Hey the a 84 we need that Come on sharper you better than that. I get it but you know like coaches start talking too much I just Right That's a that's it. Okay, I heard you Hey, I'd be like dollar bill don't make me sit there. If I sit there, it's gonna be trouble trouble. But I but I see I see I like bro bro. Calm down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, man. F that. Man. I told him but I said bro, bro, I get it. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes.

I don't like playing it like that. You can't control it. You, bro, you right. Yeah. No, he dead ass wrong. You right. Right, yeah. You right, bro.

I get it. Just to calm down a little bit. Just to get, just to. Hey, bro, what you need from me? How can I help? Right. Nah, Sharp, man, I told him, man, stop F. Bro, what you need from me? How can I help? Right. Nah, Sharp, man, I told him, man, stop. Bro, yes.

Just calm down. Hey, take it out on him. Don't be tearing up our sideline, throwing water cooler to kick his, you know, kicking his shoulder. Him, get him. But it's tough on your man, because you know, I had a couple of teammates

like that, man. Man, Sharp, you do talk. Why I got to talk. Why Sharp got to talk to him? He didn't even on the sharp side of the football. He don't defend. Why I got to talk to him. Got to be crazy. Got to be. Yeah, come on, bro. But, you know, hey, you calm down like, hey, come on now.

Yeah, I've got a responsibility here. People look, they people look and it's not going to be a good look. bro, but you know, hey, you calm down like, hey, come on now. Yeah. You got a responsibility here. People look, they people look and it's not going to be a good look. So yeah, you don't, yeah. Your family understand. Lay let's, let's calm this thing down. Let's get a level head about ourselves. Let's go out there, play some football, kick some ass.

Let's get this dub and going home. We're going to laugh about it on the plane. I just want you to know I'm a Jonas ish at you when I get on that bus. Now, just so you know, just so you, Hey, just, Hey, man go ahead. Oh, man. That's all you do. You joke all the time. So you take nothing serious. I don't It definitely that you definitely not you being upset on the sideline. I don't Act like a fool plum fool. Oh, yeah for sure Uh, justin tucker widely reviewed as the greatest kicker him and ever Adam Benetary However, however through the first three games Tucker is just five of eight on field goal attempts

And he's missed at least one field goal in every game thus far including a 48 yard in the fourth quarter After the game John Harbaugh acknowledged Tucker struggles. I said that yesterday. Oh People jumped on my time. Live anyway. We've been together for a long time. We have a lot of conversation. He's everything you want the player and a friend for Justin. It's just a technique issue right now. He's working through.

He knows exactly what it is. It just needs to smooth it out, smooth it and smooth it back out. I'm very confident he will. is to smooth it out, smooth it, and smooth it back out. I'm very confident he will. Ocho, will kicking problem be a problem for the Ravens? No, I don't think so. Listen, Justin Tucker is arguably maybe one of the greatest kickers of all time.

And just like baseball, sometimes sluggers, they go into a slump and they know what they did, they know what they need to do to pull themselves out that slump. Listen, when it comes to kicking, Justin Tucker knows what he needs to do. Those of you needs to do all you do is go back to the basics. You go back to the basics, get yourself into a routine to get yourself into a rhythm with those basic fundamentals that you learn when you first started kicking.

And then sometimes you get away from those things. Sometimes you get away from those things. And I think once he does that, Justin Tucker will be all right, he'll be fine. And this is coming from a kicker. So I know the bigger issues for the Ravens are them damn penalties. They had 12 again yesterday, Ojo.

Yeah. That's gonna be that, that, that, you look, you hope it doesn't come down for a kick because Justin Tucker as a rookie cook kicked the Baltimore Ravens to the, uh, to the, you know, he beat the Broncos. They went in and division around the playoffs and he hit a field goal as an undrafted rookie and he hasn't looked back since he's made clutch kick out the clutch kick. He's won a lot of ball games.

He is the NFL record holder for field goals, 66 yards. Although Aubrey almost broke it yesterday. He kicked a 65 yarder, but the difference is a 65 yarder in the first quarter versus a 66 yard at the end of the game to win you the game. That's the difference between Adam Venatieri. That's the difference between Justin Tucker. A lot of kickers got legs, but can you make it when it matters? Right.

If you miss this, you're going home. There's so much difference, but a lot of kickers got legs, but can you make it when it matters? Right. If you miss this, you're going home. It's so much different, but a lot of it, oh, like you said, a lot of it is right here. Yeah, I mean, we've seen we've seen baseball players, we've seen Chuck Knoblauch, Steve, they get the yips and they get the ball right. They can't do anything. David Dubov, Ian Baker, guys get the yips. It's hard to, if anybody can do it, tuck can, but boy, kicking is much more mental. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. Especially when the

game is on the line. Well, you know, kind of pressure, you know what kind of pressure that is? When the game is on the line, does it kick them? And I could tell you, you know, I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know, because the game was on the line as a kicker, I could tell you, you know, I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know because the game was on the line for me with the Bengals. It might have been a preseason game against the Patriots, but to get the game was sitting on the line. You know, I had to make the kick because our kicker went down and you know, you know, I'm I'm perfect as a kicker in NFL.

So, so technically I could probably be the greatest kicker of all time that isn't talked about. That's a reason. But I wish Chuck the best, man. Look, obviously everybody knows my team is the Broncos, played 12 years with them, but I did get two years in Baltimore. And so that's the team I root for second.

Um, I want the Ravens to do well. Like I said, a lot of people that, that when I was there, Oh Joe, they go, they go. Steve Bichotti was the minority owner. He ended up buying the team, but Ozzy is still there. Yeah. And, and, um, that's really the only connection that I have. Cause everybody else is really gone.

Um, and I don't everybody else is really gone. And I don't bother them that much anymore. But Steve has always told me, look, you're welcome with open arms. Hey, you know, you and Oz, I know you and Oz relationship is great, but it's, it's, it's tough to like be put in a situation where like a kid, because think about how many games that they won The problem a kid and just to think that they could possibly be in a different situation Because of a kid doesn't sit well with me, but hopefully he turns it around The Ravens got back on the winning track last week against uh

Against the Cowboys and hopefully they can build some momentum and get a couple of doves up under the belt Pittsburgh looks good, but We'll see what they could do once they once they step up and play in the division because I don't think the Steelers have played a division game have they I Don't think they played a division game yet Reggie Bush the former US running back had a head has had his husband Return back in April now. He's suing the NCAA, USC and the Pac-12. He's seeking compensation for the use of his name,

image and likeness while he was with the program. In the suit, which was filed today, Bush's lawyer alleged that all three entities made a lot of money off the running back, who was an enormous star when he played it with the Trojans. Right. They named TV contracts, merchandise sales, and meteorites as just three of the revenue streams

that Bush's popularity influenced. His lawyer said, "'This case is not about seeking justice for Reggie. "'It's about setting up the precedent "'for fair treatment for all college athletes. "'Our goal is to rectify the injustice and pave the way for a system where athletes are rightly recognized, compensated,

and treated fairly for their contributions. So, I mean, I chat, how do y'all feel about it? How do you feel about it? I think him suing office for his likeness during that time based on the money that was being made which is it getting to be up upwards to who knows it could be a godly amount. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Especially when it comes to somebody like Reggie Bush you know especially during his day during his day during his. Oh yeah in Hollywood with those big oh yeah. What? Oh yeah I mean you look at a guy

like Cam you look at a guy like Te, you look at a guy like Tebow, you look at a guy like Johnny Manziel, a guy like Reggie Bush, you talk about, or Vince Young at UT, you talk about some of the biggest stars in college football ever. Yeah. Now I don't know if he can go back and do that

cause then you gonna open up Pandora's box. Box, yeah. Because there go a lot of guys, and Barry said, well how much you think Oklahoma State made on me? And you go get a lot of other guys.'s box. Box, yeah. Because they go a lot of guys, and Barry said, well, how much you think Oklahoma State made on me? And you go get a lot of other guys. They come back and say, well, hold on, Tim Tebow, Florida.

Tim goes like Aubrey, y'all think about it. Yeah, but you know, it's never been done before. So there's a chance that he has the opportunity to win this. You know, if he didn't have a chance, I mean, he would be, his lawyers would tell him, listen, it really makes no sense to even go through with this and waste the money. But the fact that his lawyer may feel-

No, they're probably saying, they're doing this as part to get a percentage just in case he does win. Because you know, in settlements, settlements you get 33%. Sometimes lawyers take 40%. Dang. Yeah. Man, they do put in a lot of work though, so I kind of understand.

They put in a lot of work. Alright Ocho. It's time for Ruff Draft. Today's prompt is Best NFL Rookie Season. I'm up first. Let's do the cut. Let's do the promo. Uh today's prompt is best NFL You ain't winning like three weeks why you going first cuz you went first last time that's why I'm going first this time all right go ahead all right first up for me I'm taking Eric Dickerson his rookie season he runs for 1,800 and 1800 yards okay rookie of the

year and later we know what he did. He, next season he ran for 21 oh five. So I got Eric Dickerson up first. Okay. My first one, my first one, a lot of people, especially unless you a divas, a person, you might not like this, but if you watched him play during, during the day back during his day, especially when he was in college, I'm going with Javon Kursh, his rookie year. Okay. For me, I'm taking Randy Moss. If you saw his rookie season, Randy Moss was he was a real deal. He was a real deal. Well you know what speaking of receivers, I'm gonna piggyback off what you just said. Another receiver who had a hell of a goddamn rookie season and his name is

Jamar, Jamar Mathaniel Chase. All right. You like him? You know who I'm going with? I'm going number three. I'm going CJ Strat. You know what? That was historic. That was a historic season. That was the historic season, but it wasn't-

You want to give up now or later? No, you finna lose it. The next one, this is arguably maybe one of the greatest running backs of all time in Barry Sanders. Yeah, that Barry Sanders, the one he played in Detroit. They call it Motown at Ford Field. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see. Yeah. Come on that. You're going to lose. You're going to lose this. You know who I'm going with Lawrence Taylor. Lawrence Taylor was defensive player of the

year and rookie of the year in his rookie season. It's over. Chad, tell him to go home. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, you think about Lawrence Taylor in his totality. We talk about his rookie year. His rookie year. He only had nine and a half

sacks. First of all, you do realize Bill Sack didn't become an official stat until 1982 He came in the league in 1981 The year and and rookie defensive rookie of the year, how many guys have ever done that? listen And I'm gonna piggyback off for you. I'm gonna go with it. I'm gonna go to deep as a player, too I'm gonna go to deep as a player and his rookie year was also phenomenal. He had 36 solo tackles with nine sacks. Maybe the greatest demons to tackle of all time who just happened to retire in Aaron Donald. Okay. I like that.

It's over for you. You know what? I might give you a chance to come back but I ain't gonna. I might give you a chance to come back, but I ain't gonna. Who you got? I'm gonna go way, way, way, way back. You know what? How far back? I ain't gonna go that far back. I'm gonna let him be my honorable mission. Yeah.

You know who I'm gonna go with, Ocho? We'm I'm gonna let him be my honorable mention. Yeah. You know who I'm gonna go with. Oh no. We just had it last year. Puka Nakua. Oh, okay. That's a good one. Okay. That's a good one. That's a good one. I can't even I can't even I can't even I can't even argue that because

he was he was on fire last year. Uh so, this is my honorable mention right now, right? Yep. No, you got five. This is number five for you. Okay. Number five. I don't want I don't want defense twice. Matter of fact, you know what?

I'm gonna go cam new. I'm gonna go Cam Newton. I'm gonna go Cam Newton. Rookie year. 4,000 plus yards, 21 TD, 700, somebody yards on the ground. Yeah, yeah, I'm going Cam Newton. Rookie year, that's my fit. Okay. Yeah, you definitely, you definitely lost his rupture at this time.

Oh no, it ain't even close. Trust me, the chat, listen, the chat is one thing about them, they don't lie. And they will tell you you lost his rupture. Bad luck here. Where do I want to go? You know who I like had unbelievable rookie season Ocho? Who that? Do I want to go quarterback?

You don't want to go quarterback. You don't want to go running back. You can go back. That had a crazy or a crazy rookie. You should have put you should have picked him. Now, I'm just saying you're stuck. I'm just giving you an option. Nah. Hey,

I'm you know what? I might even put my rookie season as audible. I got Eric Dickson, Randy Ball, CJ, Oh, LTI, Pooka Nakua. That's a nice little lineup. It ain't better than mine though. Oh, it's way better yours don't you? I ain't saying yours are some stir fry,

but I'm just saying it ain't good. Nah. Hold on. Oh, I gotta take my, hey my rest his soul. Reggie white. That's a good one. If y'all didn't get an opportunity to see this man play it see him up close and personal, because I saw him in his prime. I'm talking about at his absolute apex. Yeah.

I saw it with the Eagles in 92. I saw him in 93. I saw him in 96. And I saw him in the Super Bowl. So I'm talking about at his absolute apex. I'm taking Reggie. I like that. That's it.

Can't even argue that. Go ahead. I'm not going you way before I I'm looking for, you know, somebody, some, I'm looking for another iconic figure. It kind of. I give you one. I'll let you take Gale's players. The canvas comment. I, you know what, I got one of them from LSU.

I'm gonna go with Justin Jefferson as my honorable mention. Okay, I told you that. And you know who I'm gonna go with Justin Jefferson as my honorable mention. Okay, I told you that. And you know who I'm gonna go with? My last honorable mention pick. Kurt Warner. His rookie year? Yep. When he came from the CFL? Yep.

He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. He was all right. Listen, I won.

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