Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron powers Team USA past Germany, Team WNBA beats Team USA

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are BACK! On tonight's episode, they react to LeBron James going GOAT mode to lift Team USA over Germany in their final exhibition before the 2024 Paris Oly...mpics, King James being named the flag bearer for America, Team WNBA beating Team USA behind an MVP performance from Arike Ogunbowale, and Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh sticking up for Lamar Jackson.03:40 - Introduction03:45 - Show Starts21:16 - Lebron saves USA33:37 - Lebron Flag Bearer for Opening Games41:05 - WNBA all stars beat Team USA53:26 - Lamar Jackson(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:13 Ocho Fico Johnson. Y'all see it? Let's go. Where we at, baby? Yeah. They not like us. We back. That's what I'm talking about. Bro, we back. That's the way you make an entrance. Huh?
Starting point is 00:04:28 Oh, shit. You set the fire alarm off? My bad. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. This man, this man just set the fire alarm off in his house, ladies and gentlemen. Hold on, my bad. Hold on, hold on.
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Starting point is 00:06:50 The quality. You know, look, if y'all know anything about me, I'm going to give you the best. I try to get put on the best possible show. That's what we try to, Ocho and I, strive to do every single episode. We try to give you the best. Club Shay Shay, the exact same thing. And yes, I understand the prices are a little bit more expensive, but the quality, you're not going to be able to beat the quality.
Starting point is 00:07:15 I guarantee you that. So thank you guys for supporting us. It's so good to be back, Ocho. Yeah. How you and Rel spend the last six weeks, Ocho? I mean, we ain't been at it. You and Rel, how y'all been doing?
Starting point is 00:07:26 Boy, we've been beefing, boy. We've been beefing. About what? Listen, I mean, man, a little bit of everything. That's why I was so upset. I was so upset when we went off
Starting point is 00:07:35 and, you know, it's different. You know, I know a lot of people out there in our relationships and most of the time, you know, we don't talk about the bad we always gravitate to the good
Starting point is 00:07:50 and everything always being happy but we've been beefing we don't unfollow each other at all listen I done took all the what y'all beefing about it's relationship shit you know it's fiance and wife shit like marriage shit it's relationship shit you know it's it's fiance and and and and and wife shit like like marriage
Starting point is 00:08:07 shit like just be it's getting serious now it's the countdown yeah hey now listen to me let me tell you how serious it is let me tell you how serious it is you know how i am about my gaming equipment and my gaming and my tvs and my pc and all that right yes. We were beefing to the point, right? I took all my, I took my whole setup. I took my whole gaming setup and I went to my grandma's house for four, five days. What?
Starting point is 00:08:33 Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, listen, I don't, listen, I'm not combative. I love, I love my baby. I love my baby to death, right? But just like,
Starting point is 00:08:43 I just needed, I need to, I need to exhale for a little bit. I need to breathe for a little bit i need to breathe a little bit you feel me right you know and i had i see nightcap would have been my outlet i didn't have i i didn't have nightcap and i needed nightcap i needed you so i had no outlet so instead of me going back and forth with this one what did i do i took a mental reset i took a mental break. And then I came back after four or five days, you know, at my grandma's house.
Starting point is 00:09:09 You know, it felt a little weird with her not being there. You know, it felt weird sleeping in that bed again, you know. I haven't been there since I was a shorty, but I'm back.
Starting point is 00:09:16 I'm feeling good. The show is back. And here she go. Here she go. What's up, Real? Real, tell your side of the story, Real. Where Real at? Real, tell your side of the story, Real. Where Real at?
Starting point is 00:09:27 Real, tell your side of the story. You know, I always say, a lie don't kill. Who tell it? His ass was bored. He didn't have nothing else to do but get on my last nerve. I'm working hard. And since nightcap is not going on, football season hasn't started yet, he don't have shit to do but get on my
Starting point is 00:09:43 nerve. And he's mad because I'm not giving him the attention that he needs and wants because I'm working. Right. He want to start arguments. I'm like, you need to go. Right. I mean, somebody got to work. Everybody can't be on vacation at the same time, real.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Exactly. So I'm glad Nightcap has started. He has something to do so he can get out my hair. But y'all got it figured out now. We y'all good now, right? We good. No, no, no, no, no. I told him don't follow me no more.
Starting point is 00:10:12 No, no, no. We ain't good because you know how, listen, I ain't follow up back yet on Instagram. I ain't follow back on Twitter. I archived all her pictures. You know, she archived
Starting point is 00:10:23 all my pictures. And when we gonna go to therapy, we're going to go to therapy. Damn. Y'all ain't even got mad yet. You already in therapy? This shit's serious, man, because listen, I'm here for the long haul. So she needs to understand that. So if we're going to do this for the long haul, listen,
Starting point is 00:10:39 there are certain obstacles and hurdles that we need to get over before we walk down that goddamn aisle, honey, because I'm not going to be the one to play. I ain't going to play that shit. Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, hurdles that we need to get over before we got walked down that goddamn aisle honey because i'm not going to be the one to play i don't play that shit well i think the thing is ocho is that you have to understand you understood that she had a job right that required a lot of her time yeah but you got to also understand when you got when y'all got together right you weren't doing anything three, four times a week. Right. And so now you needed something to fill that void. And so you're like, well, baby, fill that void.
Starting point is 00:11:10 She said, no, I got work to fill. You keep talking about you want to be a stay-at-home dad. Somebody got to pay these bills up in here. Right. Listen, she the one paying them. I respect that. I respect that, right? But listen, at the same time, this is very important, especially people in the chat.
Starting point is 00:11:24 This is what you got to do. We always glorify. We always glorify all the good. You want to know all the good about a person when all the good. So for me, I pull the trigger on getting the ring and want to propose and say, you know what? I learned all the bad about all the bad about her, all the bad because everybody got a bad side. All the everybody do. Yeah. That's why I don't know why when people meet each other, they try to put on this facade, like they just so perfect. No, I don't want to know the good.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Let me know the bad to see all the non-negotiables and some of the things that I can deal with. And I'm willing to. How much can I tolerate? That's what you need to know. And that's what I've done. So it kind of, it kind of got to me a little bit. Cause I wanted some attention. You know, sometimes, you know, I ain't had no show. I ain't had no outlet. Right. So I needed that and she couldn't provide me with that. No. So I was hot. I was 38 and hot.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Ocho, what did you tell the women? Look, I can bring work home, but I can't take you to work. She can't take you to work, Ocho. She got to get themselves. She got to do, she got a business to run now. Yeah. Because just imagine now, if she was on the other foot, you in football season.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Yeah. And she ain't got, and she, and all of a sudden, something happened and transpired, and she all up, but you, well, we ain't doing nothing, Ocho. Hey, I need you to give me some attention. What you going to say? She will put her right there in the stands. Nah, she don't want to be in the stands.
Starting point is 00:12:50 She want your attention. She ain't got your attention in the stands. 73 of them, 25 other, that's all Cincinnati got. 35 other thousands got your attention. She ain't got your attention. Don't do that. Yeah, but listen, we working though. We working.
Starting point is 00:13:04 It's a work in progress. It's a work in progress. I i'm glad i think to myself right oh i look too good to be putting up with this bullshit now right i look too good now i was on no no no no no at this junk you might hey you done been in this thing for five years you ain't really trying to learn somebody over here i ain't talking about that oh well i ain't going nowhere. Oh, whoa, time out. Hold on, hold on. Let's stop the motherfucking train. Listen, she has provided me a lifestyle that ain't nobody else finna give. I ain't going nowhere.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Right. I'm just addressing... I wouldn't went to my grandma's house. Huh? I'd have said, baby, hey, you upstairs in the master bedroom, I'm downstairs. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:13:43 We're going to figure it out. We're going to be like... Oh, Joe, we're going to be like passing trains in the night. Oh, downstairs. We're going to figure it out. We're going to be like passing trains in the night. No, I wasn't doing that. I needed my space in the mental reset. I was with my little brother. I know my little brother Chauncey watching. Chauncey, I appreciate you baby.
Starting point is 00:13:57 You got 10,000 square feet. You got space. Tell them the real reason why you went to... Why I left? I went to a party left? He got mad I went to a party The tequila was talking Oh shit
Starting point is 00:14:12 Oh yeah this was the last straw Oh She went to a party with a homegirl Right? And hit me on the phone at the party It was like 1230 Baby I'm on that Don Julio. You better be
Starting point is 00:14:28 ready when I get home. This motherfucker came home and went straight to sleep. I was hot. Listen, I ain't want to put the bidders out there, but since she bought it, that was the final straw. He have to keep it real. He over here lying.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I'm going to tell the truth of why he really went to his girl. You don't. How are you going to tell me I didn't took a shower. I didn't lotioned up. I got ready. So I'm okay. Boom. I done prepared myself but I'm going to wear her ass out mentally.
Starting point is 00:14:59 So she come home. She's staggering the door. So I pretend like a hold on. I pretend like I'm asleep though. I pretend like I'm asleep. So she come home, she's Staggering the door, so I pretend Like, hold on, I pretend like I'm asleep though I pretend like I'm Sleep, so she get in the bed So I'm waiting over to make a move, like Touch my thigh or something, just
Starting point is 00:15:14 Touch me, do a little something, let me know you ready For that action, right I let five minutes Go by, I'm pretending like I'm still asleep All of a sudden, all I hear is I'm like like I'm still asleep. All of a sudden, all I hear is, I'm like, oh, hell no. I ain't say nothing.
Starting point is 00:15:32 I put on my little slats. I put on my slats and I cleared it. Because it was going to be an argument. I didn't want to argue. Let me ask you a question. What did you tell me? You don't let the defense dictate what you're going to do. Why you let her dictate?
Starting point is 00:15:47 You on offense. You dictate that. When you see a promotion on TV, right, and you read what it say, and that's what you're expecting based off what you read on the promo, don't send me no damn dream like Martin Luther King. You call my phone. You don't even have to call me. You don't even have to call. Don't call me and send me no damn dream like Martin Luther King. You call my phone. You don't even have to call me. You don't have to call.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Don't call me and send me no dream. Talk about, oh, when I get home, you better be ready because I'm on this Don Julio. I don't even know Don. And I don't know no nigga named Julio. So I'm getting ready. Julio Jones. Yeah. I done took a shower.
Starting point is 00:16:24 You not understanding the preparation and the steps I went through. Yeah, you read it. I don't know why you act like you was playing. Because I just want to. Because that's what women be doing. That's all. You see, Ocho, what did I tell you? One of the biggest causes of breakups. Uncommunicated expectations.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Right. You were expecting her to make a move. Right. She was expecting you to make a move. And ain't nobody communicate nothing. Remember, I told you that, Ocho. See? Uncommunicated expectations. You were expecting her to make a move. She was expecting you to make a move. And ain't nobody communicate nothing. Remember I told you that, Ocho. Uncommunicated expectations. You see what she just said?
Starting point is 00:16:51 She communicated her, right? She communicated when she called my phone knowing I was sleeping at 12 30 at night when I'm normally not up at that time. So why would you get me aroused with that type of excitement knowing I'm already sleeping for one and then tell me what you're going to do and what to be prepared for once you get home and you get home and you go to sleep i tell you what you and do y'all have vultures y'all have buzzards flying around do y'all have those
Starting point is 00:17:12 flying around we in miami we only got flamingos and peacocks okay anybody from the south y'all know what i'm talking about like when there's a dead animal like laying down you see the vultures the buzzards right right hovering right. They're hovering over. Yes, sir. If you pretend that you dead, one of them will come knock fire from you.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Mm-hmm. So, hey, why she pretended like she was leaked, you should have knocked fire from her. Nope,
Starting point is 00:17:37 because she wasn't pretending. You don't sell me no dream. You don't act like you, you don't act like you on Demon Time and you finna get filthy with it and then come home, oh, I had,
Starting point is 00:17:48 she hit me with a, oh, I had a headache. What? Excuse me? Huh? See, that's the problem. I don't mean that. She done never made it to the bed.
Starting point is 00:17:57 She done never made, she wasn't even supposed to make it to the bed. You supposed to be standing behind the door, butt ball. You don't understand. From that point on, I'm not sure when that was. We've been beefing ever since.
Starting point is 00:18:07 I done unfollowed her. I done took all her pictures down. Like, you ain't finna play with me like that. Don't play with me like that. Don't serve me no drink. You know what? You couldn't even just hit. You didn't even have to hit my phone.
Starting point is 00:18:17 You could have came home with the sleep. I wouldn't have said nothing. It wouldn't have been no problem. I packed up all my shit. It wasn't nothing in this damn office except that goddamn sign back there. I took everything to my grandma's house. I had to help. I was trying to stand on business.
Starting point is 00:18:29 I wish somebody, I wish somebody would have called me and told me, hey, because I'll be standing in the cameras. Soon as the car pull up in the driveway and the light cut off, oh, that's for me.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Downstairs I go, hey, hey, hey, when she open the door, baby arm right there. When she open the door, Joey door baby all right there listen listen this is the lesson it's a lesson learned it's a lesson learned for her it's a lesson learned for me despite the lack of communication in this instance in this in this situation we scrape we cool like a scale of one to ten we about a six because I ain't
Starting point is 00:19:01 followed back on none of my socials yet. But I bet you I bet one thing. I bet this shit won't happen again. Bet it won't happen again. It won't happen. It wouldn't happen. No time. Shit. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal.
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Starting point is 00:21:24 Anthony Davis, and LeBron, they were better. And those teams pushed them to greatness. They brought the greatness out of them. Politics. These people are not your friends. They're looking for your votes. This is not a popularity personality contest. To me, it's a policy contest. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Ocho, first segment of the night. It's time for Newscap. 39-year-old Go James. You already got it.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Huh? Oh, my bad. I forgot. I forgot. Hey, hey, hey. There it is. My bad, guys. Have a little rust. It's been about six weeks.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Although, ain't been no nightcap in six weeks. But trust me, your boy been working. Newscap. 39-year-old Go James had to save the team from a historic upset. South Sudan on Saturday led the way down the stretch. I think he had 11 points in the fourth minute span in the fourth quarter against Germany today. Let's take a listen to what LeBron had to say.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Hey, y'all. Great job to close out the preliminary game. We saw some adversity. We're just good. We've been down two games in a row, and that's going to be good for us. Like Katie just said, the world just begins now. All right? We got six games, but there's one
Starting point is 00:23:09 game at a time, all right? We're going to be perseverance again, y'all. Go! One, two, three, go! That's the goal. No matter how close it is, at the end of the day, look, you play to win. Whether you win by 45 or you win by one, as long as you win the game. I think LeBron,
Starting point is 00:23:26 oh, Joe, you know, when you go to the Pro Bowl, you want to show everybody, I'm the real deal. Yes, sir. I know everybody else here is the real deal also. Yes, sir. I'm not trying to diminish anybody, but sometimes I think y'all forgot because I'm 39, because I haven't been to the NBA Finals, and you hear about Giannis,
Starting point is 00:23:42 and you hear about Jokic, and you hear about Luka, and you got Ant-Man, and you hear about Giannis and you hear about Jokic and you hear about Luca and you got Ant-Man, you got JT, but y'all know, y'all, y'all know, y'all know who I am. Y'all know what I am. And he showed that there's a pride level and there's still, I'm still LeBron James. And when I need to pull this Cape out and down the stretch against Sudan, I can do it. He needed to pull the Cape out.
Starting point is 00:24:07 And today against Germany, remember Dennis Schroeder was, I think the fever most valuable player last year, right? Germany have NBA players. I think the suited South suit, uh, the Sudanese,
Starting point is 00:24:17 they got to, I think when you're Gabriel and another guy on that team that was in the, uh, in the, uh, the Charlotte, the Bobcat camp, but Lebron was
Starting point is 00:24:27 sensational now you're gonna get the people that try to diminish him because here's what they're gonna say jordan would have never been in that situation colby would have never allowed that to happen right all i'm saying is what what about those other guys that's on the team y'all do realize steph curry joe ellen b jason tatum devin booker ant-man all those other guys are on the team y'all do realize steph curry joelle and b jason tatum devin booker and man all those other guys are on the team yeah why they let it happen yeah i mean these these are our best players that are representing our country i like to see lebron elevate his game at a level like that that we're accustomed to seeing normally here in the states but doing it representing our country is a great thing but i have have one question to ask. Obviously, against
Starting point is 00:25:05 Sudan, it was a close game. They trailed in the fourth quarter. Against Germany, again, they trailed in the fourth quarter until LeBron worked to the end. So I'm asking you, Unc, because you have a better knowledge of the game than I do, especially when it comes to the Olympics and the USA
Starting point is 00:25:21 playing against other teams. So is it more so that the NBA player, do you think they're having a hard time adjusting to the international rules? Or is the rest of the world finally catching up to us in the game of basketball? Well, they're catching up, Ocho, because they're playing. I mean, you got to understand, think about how many, when the NBA players first went back to the Olympics in 92, you really only had two guys.
Starting point is 00:25:45 You had, you had, uh, Tony Kukoc. Yeah. I think you had Sharuna's Barcelona, some Barcelona's. And I think you had,
Starting point is 00:25:54 uh, what's, uh, the seven footer from Sacramento, his dad, so bonus. So you might've had three guys other than the NBA players that were in the NBA.
Starting point is 00:26:07 But if you go to every team now for the most part there is an nba player maybe one or two that's on the team daniel tice plays in the nba dennis schroeder plays in the nba the rules are different they let you get a little bit more physical right you can go tend the ball uh the rules are a little different but there's no excuse plus those guys have been playing together those guys grow up playing together from the time they're like seven eight years old they're playing together and so they've been practicing for about two months right oh so the chemistry so obviously their chemistry can be much much better than those of the U.S. team. Okay. Okay. So
Starting point is 00:26:47 we have nothing to worry about. We have nothing to worry about. I'm not going to say we don't have anything to worry about. So the fact that these games are so close though, we trailing. Yeah. We're trailing against Sudan. We're trailing against Germany. So are these bumps in the road? There's nothing to worry about with that. I don't think the
Starting point is 00:27:03 lineups that we've been going out there with, I think kevin durant is probably going to be in the starting lineup they they got to do a better job of taking care of the basketball they're turning the ball over entirely too much and sometimes when you get a collection of great players together they try to well i'm not selfish and you overpass the basketball or you try things that you probably wouldn't normally try. Right. But, no, I definitely think, can they be beat? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Hell yeah. On one game, anything can happen. Right, right. But I love the way they're becoming battle-tested. You look at Devin Booker had not shot the ball well. He was 1 for 6. LeBron was 8 of 11. Joel Embiid was 5 of 8. Holiday was 4 of 6. Steph was 5 of 6. LeBron was 8 of 11. Joel Embiid was 5 of 8. Holiday was 4 of 6. Steph was
Starting point is 00:27:46 5 of 13. Ant-Man was 4 of 7. JT was 2 of 6. Bam, 2 of 4. AD, 3 of 5. They just got to do a better job of protecting the basketball. And if they do a better job protecting the basketball, I think they'll be fine.
Starting point is 00:28:02 But, you know, look, Canada Canada's littered with NBA players. They got Shea Gildress. They got Dylan Brooks. They got Powell. They got a lot of guys. Alexander Walker. They probably got six or seven guys that's on an NBA roster.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I think that's going to be Germany. It's going to be a tough test. I think probably you might see Canada or Germany. I mean, Canada is in that death pool. They got a really tough bracket to come out of. But they're going to be fine. All right. Hey, Chad, y'all heard it there first.
Starting point is 00:28:37 USA basketball is going to be fine. But, Ocho, it's just like anything. If you think about it you do something long enough eventually they're gonna get better at it they do it too that's what when when david stern had this idea so you know what i want to open up i want to make this a global game and i want to open it up and you see the dirt in the biscuits and you see the guy, all those young guys. They're like, man, I want to do that.
Starting point is 00:29:08 And then you see it in 96 and you see it in 2000 and you see now all of a sudden they're like, hold on, wait a minute. You mean to tell me I can do something other than play soccer? Yeah. Yeah. As,
Starting point is 00:29:20 as when you Gabriel said, look, we got seven footers and they're hurting cattle. Oh, so he's like, hold on. These guys are like, hold on. I don't want to do it. I want to dribble. Let me start dribbling a basketball.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Right, right, right. Opening up borders. So I'm glad that the U.S. has been battle tested because you hate to be in a situation, Ocho, where you haven't been tested. Right. And then the first time you get tested is in the knockout round. Yes. So now they know, hey, okay, but go James. You see, hey, they put the ball in his hands,
Starting point is 00:30:00 and he's going to make the right play. He's either going to, hey, I'm going to drive and I'm going to kick. I'm going to get all the way to the hole. I trust this three-point ball. He's had the three-point ball go in the last couple of games. But when he puts his head down, it's kind of hard. Ain't nobody stopping that. Yeah, he's like a bull in the china shop there.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Ain't nobody stopping that. But LeBron said, hey, I do. I think the adversity is good. but look this is not angola that us is not gonna beat these teams like the original dream team was beating teams by 80 points right and the guys had never the guys had just picked up a basketball and just qualified for the limit those days are over yeah those days Those days are long, long gone. And you have to be willing to accept. Look at look at softball.
Starting point is 00:30:50 We used to be dominant women's softball team. But guess what? Japan, Australia, they started playing and they started playing and they got good. And some of those players came over here and played at UCLA and played at these other power high school. They go back over there and ta-da, they win gold medals now. That's what happens. You know what the funny thing about it is? And for those of my soccer fans that are in the chat, as you see how all the other countries
Starting point is 00:31:15 are catching up to us when it comes to the game of basketball, I wish it could work in reverse for us over here when it comes to soccer so we can catch up to the other countries in the game of soccer, especially around World world cup time which we have coming up in 2026 oh joe we got american football they don't play that over there we got basketball they play that over there we got baseball we got we got too many things like like jamaica jamaica tracking track and field is their most popular sport. Yes, sir. So they don't play basketball.
Starting point is 00:31:48 They don't play football. They don't play baseball. All their focus is on that one thing. Yeah. So you look at a lot of these other countries, they're focused because we have so much to do to focus on. Right. Well, I don't want to play soccer.
Starting point is 00:32:03 I want to play football. I want to play basketball. I want to run track. I want to play on. Right. Well, I don't want to, I don't want to play soccer. I want to play football. I want to play basketball. I want to run track. I want to play baseball. So when you have those things and you can make money at all of them, Luca,
Starting point is 00:32:13 what did Luca want to do? Luca, originally Luca wanted to play, want to play soccer. Yeah. Real life, my man, ain't a whole lot of six foot soccer,
Starting point is 00:32:21 six foot seven, six foot eight soccer players. Unless you're the goalie, that's about it. Exactly. Same thingich 92 comes along they say hold on i'm tall 2000 come along i'm tall i can play that sport so when you have it's oh joe if you go to a restaurant and all they have on the menu is that, well, you're going to get that. But if they have a variety, I mean, it's hard. Sometimes you go to, what, Cheesecake Factory, they got 15,000 items.
Starting point is 00:32:52 How the hell am I supposed to choose one thing? Yeah, you're right. But when you only have a choice to choose one thing. Well, I just wish the choice was soccer for that for the for the most for the most part because it's exciting it's exciting who boxing you know Americans we got a lot man oh yeah so you're right you're right anyway I'm putting my beard out for the U.S. men's national team we gonna win the world cup in 2026 I'm just throwing that out there i'm just throwing it out there now i hope so hold on can we get to the medal round before we start talking about winning can we get to the medal round how about that come on don't do that man i know can we get to the
Starting point is 00:33:36 medal round this is our year we the whole we we are the host nation we for the win this we for the win this what they got to do with it I don't know I'm just I got my fingers crossed LeBron James who was competing in his fourth Olympics was serving the flag bearer
Starting point is 00:33:52 for the United States in the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games the opening ceremony will be held Friday at 1.30pm Eastern Time and we will be having
Starting point is 00:34:02 a live watch party yeah meanwhile KD doesn't seem doesn't seem right now Eastern Time and we were having a live watch party. Yeah. Meanwhile, KD doesn't seem right now. He's upset about being left out of the Nike's latest ad commercial for the Olympics.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Even his business partner and agent, Rich Kleiman, voiced complaint. And for the win, just posted the article saying Team USA should have chosen Kevin Durant, not LeBron James, to be its Olympic flag bearer. I mean, I would think so. Listen, I respect LeBron James and all that he has done. But when it comes to the Olympics, that is, I don't know if I want to say it's separate. It's a separate entity as opposed to NBA basketball.
Starting point is 00:34:38 This is Olympics basketball, obviously representing our country. And Kevin Durant, who is obviously the all-time leading olympic score with 435 points lebron is second no no mellow is second with 336 lebron is third with 273 so i'm trying to have a better understanding on why they pick lebron obviously and him being the best player stop right right there. Stop right there. Stop right there. Go back. Rewind. Now ask yourself again, why did they pick LeBron James to be the flag bearer
Starting point is 00:35:11 to lead their team in and not Kevin Durant? Ask yourself that question again. I know why. That's why I said arguably the greatest. I didn't get the chance. You didn't give me a chance to finish.
Starting point is 00:35:21 The greatest NBA basketball player to ever live there's a conversation between him and Michael Jordan always yes but then I also want to separate the fact that represent our country as well where Katie is the leading scorer maybe maybe it's a conversation that can be had where he represents it himself. Well, you might you might not see it that way. I'm just asking. I'm trying to see why he's upset and I'm trying to see why his manager upset. I think he's upset about the Nike ad.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Oh, he said the Nike ad. He's not be upset about being the ring. But the player. OK, OK, OK. He's upset about being left off. He says, hold on. Wait a second. Why would they leave him off? LeBron James and I are the two biggest Nike
Starting point is 00:36:07 basketball players. Now you could make it say, okay, Greek freak. Okay. But I believe LeBron and I are the two biggest Nike athletes currently in the NBA. I feel I should have been included in that ad. Why would me? Is that personal? I don't work for Nike. I'm not, you know, in the marketing, advertising department who pitched this campaign.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Didn't Kevin Durant have a lifetime contract with Nike? He does. He, LeBron, and Steph Curry are the only three current athletes that have lifetime contracts. To me, that's a no-brainer. To me, that's a no-brainer. Well, clearly somebody didn't have a brain the higher-ups the higher-ups i think there might be a personal vendetta or a personal situation because anytime you don't use one of the greatest scorers of all time who is representing our country you don't use him in the olympic ad
Starting point is 00:36:58 that everyone's going to see that is personal i don't think it's oh joe the guy gonna get a billion dollars how you gonna somebody give you a billion dollars and they all of. I don't think it's personal. Ocho, the guy's going to get a billion dollars. How you going to somebody give you a billion dollars and they all of a sudden don't call, don't call, let's just say for the sake of argument. Somebody say, Ocho, we got you. The being will say, Ocho, for the next 50 years, we're going to pay you a billion dollars. Okay, they have this
Starting point is 00:37:20 ceremony and you don't get no invite. Man, they don't care nothing about me. Run, they gave you a million minus the money i'm still representing my country that means more to me donning the red white and blue at the olympics in my country they didn't leave him home okay they didn't leave him home he's there but the promote the promo of the ad yes because the ad the ad lives forever i get it i get what i get what his frustration is because, like I said, I believe he and LeBron are the two biggest Nike athletes,
Starting point is 00:37:51 basketball athletes, that we currently have. That's on Nike's roster. Obviously, Jordan is an entity of himself. Kobe is no longer with us, but currently alive, LeBron and KD. KD says, and you know, hey, Ocho, you remember the ad? Everybody remember the Muppets when it was KD, I'm just kidding, when it was LeBron and Kobe.
Starting point is 00:38:13 I still have a t-shirt. Everybody remember the ad with Penny, with Chris Rock, with the boys, Lil' Penny. That was dope. Remember that? You remember the Bird magic and the weapons or the Bird Jordan, the McDonald's. So Katie understands that this thing is going to stay long, last a lot longer than he's going to live. And I do believe he should have been included in the air.
Starting point is 00:38:39 But how many times have we seen people put our commercials or ads and we like. Who is in that room to let y'all put this out? Because the undertones are not what people might construe. Like, were they not any women in the room? Were they not any blacks in the room?
Starting point is 00:39:00 Were they not a Hispanic, Latino? So I'm saying were they not anybody in the room that's they not a Hispanic, Latino? So, I'm saying, were they not anybody in the room that's like, hold on, man. Something ain't right here. Kevin Durant. We ain't gonna have KD in this? Not KD? KD? We not?
Starting point is 00:39:16 Why? That's why I said it got to be something. It got to be something. To even leave him out. To even leave him out. To even leave him out. When the discussion comes apart, when you have a meeting of that magnitude to have players or a commercial of players that are representing our country, you don't have the all-time leading score for that country when it comes to Olympic basketball. Not in the ad.
Starting point is 00:39:39 That is something personal. I think, Ocho, I think when it comes to the Olympics, you go to the broader scale. You try to, I mean, you look at some of the people that's the representation. It's like LeBron, the global icon that he is. I mean, you probably talk about Ronaldo. You talk about Messi. And then, I don't know, LeBron, Mbappe right there. I mean, obviously, you know, Messi and Ronaldo, they here.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I mean, I think the only guy that can really challenge them is Jordan. Jordan is the only guy that's on the Messi, Ronaldo scale, universal. Anywhere he goes, he can go to a village in South Sudan. He can go to the rainforest in Brazil. Yeah. Michael Jordan. Right, right. Ronaldo, Messi. to a village in South Sudan. He can go to the rainforest in Brazil. Michael Jordan. Ronaldo. Messi. They know. And I'm sure, like I said, and I
Starting point is 00:40:33 explained this to people, I just wish, because I know how athletes feel when they see Jordan. I just wish that an average person could see it, could talk to it to see what it's like. I don't do it justice
Starting point is 00:40:50 because everybody, Shaq said it, AI said it, LeBron has said it. I'm talking about some of the biggest names in the world said when they met that man, he didn't seem real. It seemed like he was
Starting point is 00:41:06 levitate. I'm telling you, Ocho, I'm looking at this man, and I know this man is thinking, look at this. This mofo crazy. Because I'm looking at it because he don't see. I'm like, I know who it is. And I'm looking at it, Ocho. I'm looking, looking. I'm like, this man levitating.
Starting point is 00:41:22 He glow. Hey, you know, what was that? The dragon with Bruce He glow. Hey, you know, uh, what was that? Uh, uh, uh, the dragon with Bruce Leroy and you know how I showed up, started glowing. Junior, when he started glowing, he had that phone. That's not Jordan. Look, Jordan looked just like that. He glowing. He levitating.
Starting point is 00:41:41 I can't, I can't explain it. I can't explain it. I can't explain it. I guess because I don't even want to be sacrilegious, but I'm telling you, man, it's an unreal feeling that you get when you're around that man. And I've been around a lot of NBA players. I've been around
Starting point is 00:41:57 some of the biggest Hollywood stars. Ain't nothing like him. Ain't nothing like Jordan. I met him once and I know exactly what you're talking about. I met him once and I know exactly what you're talking about. I met him once and I know exactly what you're talking about, but I can't put it in the words. I can't even put it in the words, so I'm not even going to try. Oh, no, you can't.
Starting point is 00:42:15 You got to. The Last Dragon. That's the name of the movie, Last Dragon. Right, yeah. Last Dragon, with Bruce Leroy. And Shona. Who's the master? With the afro?
Starting point is 00:42:25 Yeah. Ocho, Team USA lost to the WNBA All-Stars on Saturday night, 117-109. Brianna Stewart said it felt like deja vu, and she wasn't wrong. In 2021, the Olympic team lost to the WNBA All-Stars in the tune-up to Tokyo. They went on the cruise
Starting point is 00:42:43 to their seventh consecutive gold medal. Just like 2021 exhibition, the Americans had no answer for Arike Ogumbamwale. The MVP of Saturday night's game scored all 34 points in the second half of the victory. She's also
Starting point is 00:42:58 earned MVP honors in 2021. Ocho, I was at that game. Yes, sir. The shot you had to be, I mean, I know you guys, a lot at that game. Yes, sir. The shot you had to be, I mean, I know you guys, a lot of you guys watched it on television. Ocho, but it wasn't no open shots. I'm talking about she,
Starting point is 00:43:14 I'm talking about she, Kyrie Irving, pulling up with hands on her face, falling out of bounds. And now they hug up on her, she get around them, she one-footing it. Yeah, LaFleur does. around them. She one foot in it. Yeah. La Flotas. Ocho, you had to see it. Isn't it?
Starting point is 00:43:29 I'm there and I'm watching. I'm looking at it. I'm like, oh, that's good. That's good. Yeah. Oh, that's good. I told you my little experience when I went to Atlanta when they played The Dream, right? And the only way I could describe her after not knowing how to pronounce her name was,
Starting point is 00:43:44 oh, she reminds me of Kyrie Irving. The lateral movement, the quickness. Erika Ogungunwale. Oh, my goodness, boy. She's nasty with it. She's nasty with it. Very, very, very, very good player. Very, very good player.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Exciting to watch. Very exciting. Let me tell you this. Having been there and to see it. let me tell you this having been there and to see it i know a lot of the conversation has been about angel reese and caitlin clark and let me tell you something seeing them up close and personal this is my second time seeing caitlin clark i saw uh in vegas uh about a month ago um when they when she came and played the aces angel reja Reese has an elite skill set. The basketball is like a magnet.
Starting point is 00:44:30 She's going to get it. She'll attract it. Every time. She's going to get the basketball. I don't know. I mean, and there's Brianna Stewart right there. There is Aja Wilson there. She's going to get that ball.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Kaitlyn Clark has an elite skill set of passing the basketball. Yes, sir. She has an elite skill set. I don't care what you think. She can see things that other people can't on the court. It's elite. And I said both of the women will be successful for the one skill set that is elite. One can pass the ball.
Starting point is 00:45:07 The other can rebound the ball. But what has transpired is that if you like one, they want you to hate the other. I refuse to do that. I believe I can like Caitlyn Clark in her game and still love Angel Reese in her game. I believe I can love Angel Reese in her game all the while loving Caitlyn Clark and what she possessed. Y'all can't make y'all. I don't have to choose and it seems like they
Starting point is 00:45:31 want you to choose. Well, if you like Caitlyn Clark, you're supposed to hate Angel. And if you like Angel, you're supposed to hate Caitlyn. Why? I get it. It's the same thing with Bird. I remember when Bird, I'm old enough to remember Bird and Magic in 79 when they played in Salt Lake City. And I know it was right down the middle.
Starting point is 00:45:48 The thing that you had, what'd you have, Ocho? One black, one white. One black, yes, sir. What do you got right now? You got one white, one black. Yeah. So choose one.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Choose, hey, choose your combatant. You know, when you play any video game, Ocho, you get to choose your guy? Yes, sir. Choose him. Nah, bro. I'm rocking with both of them. And having seen both of them against the best of the best.
Starting point is 00:46:13 This ain't no, okay, they got a few all-stars on one team. No, no, no, no. This was the national team. Oh, yeah. And I'm watching Kaitlin Clark pass the basketball looking like Magic Johnson. I'm watching Angel Clark pass the basketball looking like Magic Johnson. I'm watching Angel Reese rebound the basketball like Dennis Rodman against the team that we Asia Wilson is the best player in the WNBA. Yes. He's a two time MVP, about to be a three time MVP, a defensive player of the year. Stewie is a two timetime MVP, finals MVP. So is Angel, Asia.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Man, Angel Reese is like, I'm going to get that ball. You remember Lonzo? When Lonzo told what was Ethan Hawke's character in training today? He's like, we'll get that money. I'm going to get that. Jake.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Jake. I'm going to get that money, Jake. I need that money, Jake. Angel Reese and Asia. Stewie, I'm going to get that money Jake I need that money Jake Andrew Reeves in Asia Let's do it I'm going to get that ball Oh yeah I'm going to get that ball
Starting point is 00:47:11 Listen I'm not sure why I mean obviously It depends If you are A true fan of the game You can appreciate Both of their games
Starting point is 00:47:19 You can have an appreciation Of both Both of their styles of play Each of them being different And the way they get things done. Yes, yes. There's no need to pick and choose between who you like and who you don't like, regardless of what narratives are spread. Right. Regardless of what narratives are said.
Starting point is 00:47:37 If you are a true fan of the game of basketball, you're going to have appreciation for both Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese, the way they get things done. But man, but man, Reed was dancing out there, man. I mean, she was dancing. Remember we had our own and she said, I could kind of sense the way it was going.
Starting point is 00:47:54 It seemed like it was going to be clicked up. Yeah. I wasn't going to be a part of that click. So I did. This was our opportunity. Y'all should have took your girl. Yeah. Oh,
Starting point is 00:48:03 definitely. Most definitely took your girl. Cause y'all see what it is. Y'all see the fact. And this Yeah, most definitely. Y'all should have took your girl because y'all see what it is. Matter of fact, and this is a good thing. So I got a question for you. Since you were able to witness the game, you know who's representing us on Team USA. So after the All-Star game, who would you
Starting point is 00:48:17 swap out from Team USA and then WNBA All-Stars? You can't swap out nobody now. So you can't? Hypothetically speaking, if you were able to swap anybody out, would you swap anybody out or did the committee
Starting point is 00:48:34 get it right in their team selecting? What you were able to see? I think the thing is that these women that's on the squad gave up a lot of their summer over the last couple of years to play in the FIBA and to play in the things like that. And so it would be unfair to
Starting point is 00:48:50 them that they gave up their summers and now all of a sudden someone else that didn't give up their summer. But Rike said, well, I just saw the way y'all was trending and it wasn't trending like I was going to make the team. So why the hell am I going to give up my summer and I ain't going to be a part of this thing. Right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:09 That's why I said it was hyper. just said hyper but at 28 ocho it's in it's in la i'm gonna be shocked if a if uh uh caitlin clark and angel reese are not on that squad i'll be sure i'm sure they will be because imagine how much better they would have gotten all around when it comes to their game they're're definitely, they definitely going to be on that squad. Yeah. Definitely. It was special. I'm glad I got an opportunity. Matt Ishba,
Starting point is 00:49:34 the owner of the Mercury, he owns the Suns, also had a great time conversating with him. It was great. Man, the fans were unbelievable. The women, got a chance to talk to a couple of them um talked to britney grinder um kelsey uh jewel lord who was on my who's on my uh celebrity all
Starting point is 00:49:54 star team she said okay i needed you man i needed your coaching i couldn't i couldn't buy a basket at night um but i got an opportunity to see some of the some see some of the women i wish i wanted to get an opportunity to talk to Stewart. I wanted to meet Stewart, but he didn't really get close. Didn't get close enough to me where I could get attention. Right, right, right. I'll see her. I'm going to see her.
Starting point is 00:50:15 I got to get me some jerseys. I want an Aja Wilson jersey. I want a Breonna Stewart jersey. You got to get him to sign it, though. You got to get him to sign it. A. You got to get him to sign it. Angel Reese, Kelsey Plum. Who else I can get? Rike.
Starting point is 00:50:31 I got to get a Rike jersey. I definitely got to get that. Hell yeah. I got to get that one. Yeah. I'm going to have him. Yeah, I'm going to get mine. When I start mine, I'm going to make sure.
Starting point is 00:50:42 You know, when I'm going to get to the games, I'm going to ask him, I want your game worn jersey. I want your game worn jersey. I want you to sign it. But you know when I'm gonna get to the games I'm gonna ask me I want your game worn jersey I want your game but you know what I don't feel bad because you know the guys I'm like hey I need you to come up like that jersey but I'm sure they probably got they probably got oh yeah yeah you know what when you get back to the back and take that off have somebody bring that to me please yeah yeah I would need to get that. I would need to get that. What's your signature on there? Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure.
Starting point is 00:51:08 But I'm going to give me about six of them. I'm going to give me about... Oh! You know who I... DT. Diana Taurasi. Yeah. Got a chance to talk to her.
Starting point is 00:51:19 I met her in 2005 when the All-Star game was in Denver. And she been great. She's been unbelievable. If you don't get nobody, George, you got to get that one. That's when you know you're
Starting point is 00:51:37 great, when you still playing, and they name stuff after you. They named the court for her. Man, it was unbelievable to see her to see her play and to see all these these women on display because this is the best of the best this is i don't know how many i think there's 12 women on the national team i think i don't know how many all-star how many uh all-stars they were but you talk about at least let's just say 30 of the greatest women basketball players in the world.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Yeah. And then I got to see some of the OGs, Cheryl Swoop and a couple of the other ladies that played in the, you know, because Cheryl, I think the first year Cheryl, the first year or two, might be the first year Cheryl missed because she had a son. She had a child. But to see some of those women and take pictures with them, man, it was great. I mean, hold on i really had a great time you know who i want to meet who i haven't had a chance to meet you ever had a chance to meet miss dawn staley i haven't i haven't i need to meet i need to meet miss staley man i need to meet miss staley man i'm not sure i'm not sure why she just
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Starting point is 00:55:55 or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Ocho, John Harbaugh stood up for his franchise quarterback saying the criticism Jackson receives is head scratching Lamar for whatever reason he gets a lot of good things said about him Lamar but there's a lot of stuff that said that you've just got to scratch your head and kind of wonder what was that person even thinking? But we take it personally. Harbaugh added, what does he have to do to prove himself to some people? Ten quarterbacks have won multiple MVPs. Peyton Manning, a five-time MVP, two Super Bowls. Aaron Rodgers, a four-time MVP, a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Tom Brady, three MVPs, seven Super Bowls. Brett Favre, three MVPs, one Super Bowls. Brett Favre. Three MVPs. One Super Bowl. Another appearance. Johnny Unitas. I think Unitas won two, right? Right. Mahone Boy.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Two. Three MVPs. Kurt Warner. Two. Super Bowl MVP. Lost two. Steve Young. Two-time league MVP.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Won one Super Bowl with a backup for 11. Joe. We know Joe. And Lamar. league MVP won one Super Bowl with a backup for 11. Joe, we know Joe and Lamar. Lamar is the only one of those who hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's two and four in the playoffs. For a two-time MVP, he's widely considered only the fourth best quarterback in the
Starting point is 00:57:18 league right now. We got to stop this, Ocho. Ocho, you was in the league when Peyton Manning couldn't get past Tom Brady, and we killed him. Yeah. I was on air. I was one of the guys that were killing him.
Starting point is 00:57:33 I was like, bro, you win an MVP. You throw up a 48 touchdown, and you can't get out the first round. Right. I'm trying to figure out, what are we supposed to do? Lamar plays great in the regular season, but he's lost twice on his home field as the favorite. The first year he's in the playoff as the favorite, he lost to Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:57:57 He was the MVP unanimous. He was one vote short again this year. MVP. Everybody talk. We want to get my homeboys away from Arrowhead. If we get him from Arrowhead, he can be had. Right. He went to Buffalo and kicked Josh Allen ass.
Starting point is 00:58:13 He came to M&T and beat Lamar. What are we supposed to do? Lamar didn't play well. And in the games that he's lost, he hasn't played well. When he plays well, we say that. Why can't we say when he played bad, he played bad? I know you know what it is, Ocho. But I can't in good conscience.
Starting point is 00:58:35 I cannot go on TV. My credibility is everything. Right. I cannot do it. I cannot just because Lamar Jackson is black, when he plays bad, say he's playing. I think, I think, I think what,
Starting point is 00:58:47 what horrible is talking about where he says, Lamar Jackson has a chance to be arguably the, one of the best, if not the best quarterback to ever play this game. I think that statement is true. I think it can be factual. You know what? Even if he doesn't win a Lombardi trophy,
Starting point is 00:59:02 I think what he can do... They're not going to put you in the top five without a trophy. They don't want to put you in the top five without a trophy, Ocho. Let me ask you a question. Yes. Is Barry Sanders in the top five? For running back. But see, the quarterback...
Starting point is 00:59:17 Who gets all the credit? The quarterback. The quarterback. What is Dan Marino? Dan Marino is not... He's nowhere in your top five they don't put that they don't put him there because he went to one he didn't get back so you so i mean how do you put him over first of all how you put him over joe how you put him over
Starting point is 00:59:36 how you put him over my homeboy right i'm just asking but listen it's very it's very difficult it's very difficult because you have to understand this is the team game it's a team game yes and at time at times so when they play a team ball when you want them mvps yeah when they win who gets the credit when they win when they went to san francisco and they dropped that number on their head what did they say the next day he's's the MVP. Now when they lose, you talk about it's a team game. You didn't say that when they won Christmas night.
Starting point is 01:00:11 That's not what you said. Hey, that's the argument. When it comes to quarterbacks, that's crazy how... We judge every quarterback like that on show. I know they do. It's crazy how the onus I know they do. It's crazy how the onus of winning and losing is always on their shoulders when it took 10 others to help.
Starting point is 01:00:32 It's crazy how that works. It's crazy how that works. Let me ask you a question. When Tom Brady came back from 28-3, did y'all mention James White had 14 catches for over 120 yards? No. Did y'all mention that catch that Edelman made?
Starting point is 01:00:46 That hit off a guy's helmet and he caught it? That fought down? Did anybody say anything about the high tower hit on Matt Ryan that caused the fumble? It was all Tom Brady. It's always been about the quarterback. But now, when we
Starting point is 01:01:02 lose, we're going to talk about Lamar ain't have help lamar had who had the better receivers in and against uh the ravens or or or patrick mahomes in kansas city you know let's be real we know who had the better receivers and the better offensive line and the better defense and the defenses are comparable because the Chiefs defense was legit they got a top five defensive player
Starting point is 01:01:30 they have the best defensive tackle Stone Cold Chris Jones is legit he's the best at tackling football the Ravens defense wasn't no slouch either that's what I'm saying they got two linebackers that went to the Pro Bowl.
Starting point is 01:01:49 Kyle Hamilton is one of the best safeties in football. He might be number one. Yeah. Well, I think number one is young bull in Tampa now. Young bull in Tampa. Dante Wittner Jr., yeah. Winfield, Winfield, Winfield.
Starting point is 01:02:04 Excuse me. Yeah, Winfield Jr. Boy, he nice. Yes. He nice. But Hamilton has the ability. He can be a defensive player of the year. Yeah. He can sack your quarterback.
Starting point is 01:02:15 He can cover. He can cover, yeah. He can shut down the run. He legit, legit. Yeah. But I'm saying, people, come on now. When we give Lamar jackson credit oh oh y'all do y'all on the bandwagon now no i don't i don't give praise when it's not due
Starting point is 01:02:34 if it's due i don't got no problem and i have no problem admitting when i'm wrong right got none yeah hell if i was if i do you think if was perfect, guess what I wouldn't be doing this? I'd have picked them lottery numbers when that thing got to two billion. I'd have got all six of them numbers right on. Right, right, right. Do this. Come on, people. Y'all know. Y'all know when Lamar didn't play well. Y'all know he didn't play well. His first playoff game. Y'all know he didn't play well in the championship game. He had two turnovers. Come on now. Let's be fair about this thing.
Starting point is 01:03:10 When we kill Peyton, we obliterated Peyton. I remember what they were saying about John Elway when I got to Denver. He had lost three Super Bowls. Look at the team that he was going with. They didn't care. They're like, hell, you got him there. Win one of you. Right. Superbowls. Look at the team that he was going with. They didn't care. They're like, hell, you got them there, win one. Right.
Starting point is 01:03:29 That's the way it goes because you get all the credit when you win. They don't mention anything. They forget about those first two Superbowls. They forget about Vinatieri walked them off. They talk about Tom in the drive. Well, Tom put him in field goal range.
Starting point is 01:03:46 What if Tom didn't get it? See? You right. Listen, I love Lamar, man. I love Lamar Jackson, man. Yes! Hey, listen, Pompano's finest. You hear me, y'all?
Starting point is 01:03:56 But Pompano, the best. They ever come out of Pompano out here in Florida, man. One of the best. Obviously, forget the fact that I played for the Bengals. I don't really care about that. I want to see Young Bull succeed. I want to see him succeed so he can get that monkey off his back. Yes! So he can get that
Starting point is 01:04:12 monkey off his back. I really want him to. I would love to see him host that Lombardi one day so he can go into conversation. And some of the things that Harbaugh is saying will eventually be true. That's it. Just one. Think about how the narrative changed once Peyton Manning won one. Oh, true. That's it. Just one. Think about how the narrative changed once Peyton Manning won one.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's so difficult to win. I think people... The hardest one is the first one. Listen, we've been spoiled with Tom Brady going over and over and over
Starting point is 01:04:39 so many different times consecutively. They make you think it's easy. It's not easy. You ain't guaranteed to go back. The fact that goddamn Mahomes didn't talk about three-peating is crazy. That's the thing. See, here's the thing. You got
Starting point is 01:04:54 spoiled with Brady, but you got spoiled with Mahomes recently. Because the man has won the four Super Bowls since he's been a starter six years in the league. And he's won three. He's won two league MVPs and three Super Bowl MVPs. And you're like, okay, that's it. No, it crazy no hell it's not it's crazy they make it look like it is but that's why only one other person could say they've ever done something like that and that's tom brady brady yeah that's crazy i mean you got the steelers the steelers won four super bowl in
Starting point is 01:05:19 six years in the 70s yeah but it's not easy man winning the super. But it's not easy, man. Winning the Super Bowl because it's not like basketball. It's not like baseball. It's not a series, Ocho. It's one game. Game. And you got to be on point. That one game. Yes.
Starting point is 01:05:35 Got to be on point. Yes. Yes. Look, I don't think Lamar gets to, I don't think, you know, when it comes to,
Starting point is 01:05:42 I see somebody had like fourth and somebody had like six or seven. I'm like, bro. Whoa, six or seven? Who the hell had in front of, who the fuck? Okay, nevermind. Let me stop. Look, my thing is, I'm saying, so what are y'all
Starting point is 01:05:57 judging this on? Because the only guy that got, the quarterback that's won a Super Bowl, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rogers, and Patrick Mahomes. One of the current quarterback in, say, of the 32 teams of the 64 quarterbacks that started the backup, only three of them got Super Bowls. Y'all making it seem like the market's flooded. It's not. Right.
Starting point is 01:06:25 And the people that they're putting in front of them, I'm like, okay, so what is it? I don't care if he put the football and fly was catching. All I know is they got the ball in the end zone. Y'all talk about, oh, he's aesthetically, he can't this, he can't that. All I know is the man was one vote short from being a two-time unanimous MVP. And that is a blessing and a curse. Because think about it, Ocho. They're saying you were so good, nobody else deserved to get a vote.
Starting point is 01:06:55 There's only been two unanimous MVPs in league history. And Lamar Jackson is one of them. Tom Brady is the other. And he was one vote short from being a two-time unanimous MVP. So people are going to judge him harshly when he doesn't feel, especially now, Ocho, if he
Starting point is 01:07:13 has a so-so season, get to the playoff and make a run or he gets to the playoff and don't go far. But when you are unanimous MVP or you're one vote. So they're judging him differently anyway, based on the success he's having in the regular season. That's why it's a gift and it's a gift and a curse.
Starting point is 01:07:37 If I, if I, if I judged him like I judged every other quarterback. So what makes Lamar special? He's in a class of his own, though. The expectations that I have for a two-time league MVP. Think about it. There's only three of them. Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson. What other player can say they weren't in the league MVP? And a class of his own.
Starting point is 01:08:07 So the criticism is warranted based on that. The expectations. That's it. I don't know what everybody else is saying about him, Mocho. I don't know. All I do is evaluate him.
Starting point is 01:08:22 Bro, you got to play better. He's got to play better. Yeah. He's got to play better in big moments. Yeah. That's it. Mahomes, think about what Mahomes did. Mahomes only had, what,
Starting point is 01:08:32 two, before the game went to overtime. But you remember that game against Philly. Mahomes threw for less than 200 yards. Yards, yeah. But every throw that he had
Starting point is 01:08:41 to make in the second half. It counted. He had to make it count. He had to make it count. He had to make it count. And this is why there's so much pressure on the quarterback. Because when it comes down to it, I'm going to force you to make a throw. I'm going to put the ball in your hand. And I'm not going to let you run it.
Starting point is 01:08:58 I'm not going to let you let this running game run it. I'm going to force you to make a throw. Yeah. And when it comes down to it what what did the kansas city do in overtime we're not letting christian mccaffrey run this ball and brock purdy if you throw this ball now the tackle i don't know what the hell the guard was doing because he let chris jones come right right through i don't know what the hell is that but it's like nah chris nah see matt you're not running i'll put the ball in your quarterback's hand.
Starting point is 01:09:27 I'll make you make a throw. Yeah. If you make a throw, you walk to the middle of the field, you say, I'm going to get a crack at you, Mahomes. Get a crack at you. That was bad football by Kyle because you got to know the overtime rule. You know there's no sudden death. Death, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Not in the postseason. It is in the regular season. Yeah. But not in the postseason. Now you give Patrick Mahomes a look to know what he gots to do I got four oh I only need a field goal I got four downs but they got King Henry back there
Starting point is 01:09:59 take some of the pressure off Lamar from running the football hey Yeah. Take some of the pressure off Lamar. Take some of the pressure off Lamar. Yeah. From running the football. Hey. You know what this is about, Joe. It's going to be interesting season. It's going to be a very good season.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Again, I think the AFC, the AFC is loaded. The AFC North is loaded, especially this year. Good quarterbacks in the division. Russell, goddamn Pittsburgh. Obviously, Lamar.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Deshaun. Can Deshaun bounce back? I want to see Deshaun get back to the star we're used to seeing that he was three years ago when he was in Houston. Hell, we know what Joe Burrow can do. If Joe Burrow stay healthy, if he stays upright, that off of the line we spend all that goddamn money shit
Starting point is 01:10:47 I think we gonna be alright ESPN just ranked the quarterbacks Mahomes was one Burrow was two Josh Allen was three Lamar was four okay
Starting point is 01:10:57 I mean that's I like that but if anything I would put I would switch Josh and Lamar though I would switch Josh and Lamar though I would I would switch Josh and Lamar
Starting point is 01:11:06 okay so he should be he should be three hey did you see that did you see that clip of Nick Wright breaking down Josh Allen did you see that I don't need him breaking down I watch him I watch him in big ball games.
Starting point is 01:11:26 Hey, that shit was good. And it gave me a different perspective. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah. That was a good four minutes or five, however long it was. Because, Ocho, you get enamored. You see the great things. Right.
Starting point is 01:11:41 And you forget about the bad. Right, right. The horrible interceptions. And that's what's doing this career. The turnovers at the most inopportune times. Bro, you can't you go get a field goal.
Starting point is 01:11:56 You can't throw an interception in the end zone. You can't. You can't fumble. Listen, Josh has that gunslinger mentality like Brett Favre now. Okay. Okay. Okay, gunslinger mentality.
Starting point is 01:12:17 I mean, it is. I appreciate it. I got the arm strength to throw off my back foot, my front foot, falling down, rolling left, rolling right. I mean, he has the arm strength to do it. He just throws those interceptions at the wrong time. That's it. But he's such a talent.
Starting point is 01:12:34 Oh, Joe. Like, what are you doing? The guy's, what, 6'5", 6'6", 240, 250. Yep. Can run through a big brick wall. He got speed. He can make every throw. But the turnovers, Ocho. Turnovers will kill you.
Starting point is 01:12:50 Yes, every time. The thing that Tom Brady was good at. He was not good. He was great. Tom Brady could tell in the first six months of the game what he was going to need to do. God dang it, I'm going to have to get into a shootout with somebody. I got to throw for 350, 400 yards, three to four touchdowns right uh-oh a turnover might doom us can't put the ball in
Starting point is 01:13:10 harm's way right first six minutes of the ball game tom brady could tell you what he needed to do right and he would play the game accordingly see it's okay to be a game manager at times because he knew come playoff time you pay double for turnovers oh yeah that was his great that was his great and he was great at a lot of things his ability to process and fight boom boom boom boom whatever you're trying to go and he fed little coach belichick he and coach belichick would go over the rundown and i tried to tell people coach belichick was better than what rundown and i tried to tell people coach belichick was better than what you thought because you line up in a formation and coach belichick being a defense
Starting point is 01:13:49 he said this is where you weak i would attack you here yeah so now tom knows okay let me slide let me rip let me live this let me hey let the back check his way out hey i need to hey i need you to do this x y and z but you have to the quarterback's got to understand that you got to understand immediately bro if it's gonna be a 13 10 ball game oh joe you can't be throwing you can't be taking unnecessary risk yeah yeah yeah you right the volume The Volume. alone. So I'm bringing in all the big guns from NFL media, like Colleen Wolf. Subscribe today and you'll immediately be smarter and funnier than your friends. Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Kyle Brandt, and Akbar Bajabiamila for a daily breakdown of the league's biggest stories. Hey, you want to know the secret ingredient that makes Patrick Mahomes unstoppable?
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