I Don't Know About That - Beer Brewing

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

This week the IDKAT team learns all about the beer brewing process from Ryan Dick (@everywherebrewingco) and Ricky Cervantes (@foreignexchangebrewing). Our merch store is now live! Go to idontknowaboutthat.com for shirts, hoodies, mugs, and more! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Were you trying to think of another tune? Nah, threes Look, that's how comedy works for all the threes. I thought you were reaching. I thought you were trying to get another one. No, I did plain tune. Yeah. They all work.

Boat tune? Just vehicle tunes. Yeah. Submarine tune. Makes you wonder, why is it called a cartoon? Subtune. We had a cartoon. We had an animation special.

We never asked that question. Why is it called a cartoon? I'll text him. There's no way for us to find out. This week coming up, big week for you. Big week. Big week. We're recording a special.

Yep. I'm coming to see. We just did a sold-out weekend in Kelowna and Vancouver. The crowds were awesome. Got me pumped. I'm ready. No, you were just in Columbus and Pittsburgh. Oh, well, two weeks ago, those specials.

Okay. We haven't actually recorded the Columbus and Pittsburgh ones yet, but the ones in Vancouver rocked, and I'm sure Columbus and Pittsburgh will be fine. But the big one's coming up. Big one's coming up. We're recording the special. The set list is down.

We're ready to go. Forrest is going to be there. My friend Tommy Campbell's going to be there. And look, you're going to be there if you bought a ticket. If you didn't, they're already sold out, but you'll be able to see it on Netflix. Maybe for the third, there might be some tickets. There might be some tickets for the day before the third, yeah,

because we added that show on as a warm-up gig. Yeah, go to jimjeffries.com. But it'll be tight. Go to jimjeffries.com, check it out. There's probably still some tickets for Las Vegas a couple weeks later. Las Vegas still has some tickets. They always sell close to that.'s probably still some tickets for Las Vegas a couple weeks later. Las Vegas still has some tickets. I always saw close to that. And there's some tickets for the Asia Tour if you're in Asia.

I just did a whole Asia press tour last night. How'd that go? Like, I was on Chinese-speaking radio where they were trying to speak English, and then my thick accent, I don't think a lot of information got across. Didn't you tell me in Malaysia, they were like, last time you were in Malaysia and you're like, I think it was in Malaysia. Oh, no, there was a bloke that was like this. So this is your first time coming to Malaysia and like the first radio interview.

And I said, I think I came to Malaysia on the last trip like this, right? And he goes, and I go, because I went, I did an agent tour back then. He goes, no, you went everywhere but Malaysia. He he goes i'm a comedian i follow your work i would have known if you were here and i was like oh well i'm looking forward to coming to malaysia right and then i go on the next radio show and they go they go uh they go so you're coming to malaysia i go yeah i've never been to malaysia I'm looking forward to it and the radio DJ's like you were here last time and I was like

fuck that guy man yeah yeah I was with you I was with you two botched interviews yeah yeah yeah you went Kuala Lumpur that's where you're going

because I feel sorry there was a bit with Justin Bieber when they were doing like a police interview with him about throwing eggs or something like that

or something someone was doing a lawsuit against him and there's a video of him going um they go uh they said so when you were in australia um in 2012 right something like that and he's like looks up to his person he goes did we did we go to australia yeah we got do we go to australia like that right and they're like like yeah I don't know was I in Australia like that

and the Australians got a bit uppity about it they were just like well you should remember we were at the Harbour Bridge and all that type of stuff right and Australia I believe

is a fairly memorable place but I get it man the cunt's going everywhere he just leaves his hotel room goes straight to the gig back to the hotel room it gets confusing

all the venues probably look the same from the stage. We were there for less than 24 hours too. Yeah. We flew in to Kuala Lumpur and then we drove from there to Singapore in a van. We stopped at a KFC on the side of the highway. As soon as you remind me, I remember all that because we drove through there. But everyone's always like, do you know much about what's going on in politics over here?

And I'm like, no. Are you going to be talking about Malaysia? And I said, look, I'll talk about what I did that day. That's all I can offer you. I went back there on my own and did the Crack House Comedy Club, which just recently closed, unfortunately. Shut down, you fucking idiots. The Crack House?

It was called the Crack House. That's a great name for a comedy club. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a great club. I did did two nights there it was really fun and i actually got the sequel on for a little bit unfortunately it closed so but um yeah anyways go to jeffries.com and you got any shows to advertise first um no you can just go to my website foreshaw.net i got some shows on there but also i've got the merman podcast I do with Dave Williamson. You can listen to that Merman podcast. But our podcast is...

You just kicked your dog. Sorry, buddy. The ID Cat podcast on Instagram and then our Patreon. Subscribe to that if you haven't already. We just did a really good podcast of that with lots of stuff where I didn't kick my dog. We did a quiz show episode. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, thank you please welcome our guests ricky cervantes and ryan dick g'day ricky and ryan now it's time to play yes though yes though yes though yes no judging a book by its cover all right uh look uh i i i don't mean to you know judge but i'm gonna assume you guys aren't doctors we have a lot of doctors and professors and i'm only saying that because of the charm t-shirt so i i i are your doctors no sir no sir so we're not talking about anything medical today So are you doctors? No, sir. No, sir. So we're not talking about anything medical today? I mean, there's some science involved.

Oh, are we talking about something science fiction then? No. It's real. It's a real thing. It's real. You've been part of it. Are we talking about life? Yeah, it's been a part of your life.

I don't know if I've really been part of that. It's been a part of your life I don't know if I've really been part of that it's been a part of your life but not recently oh is it condoms I thought you were going to say hemorrhoids they're everlasting I have hemorrhoids that are older than me okay

so science and it's part of my life does it involve engineering there's some engineering involved a little bit machines there's some big machines big machines

alright big machines there's some little ones in there too and little ones too we did mining uranium the other day or nuclear power uranium was in it that's a tough act to follow it's not nuclear power it wasn't nuclear power well I haven't been I haven't been involved in nuclear power, but uranium is in it. That's a tough act to follow. It's not nuclear power.

It wasn't nuclear power. I haven't been involved in nuclear power. I will give you a hint because the final hint I gave you for nuclear power was Homer Simpson. Homer Simpson is another good hint for this. Animation. No, we did that already. No, but it's something Homer Simpson is known for as well.

Donuts. Close. What's Duff close what's duff what's deaf duff what is homer simpson like yeah beer yes there you go it's beer okay beer brewing that's what we're gonna be talking about all right okay yeah oh yeah i don't i don't drink beer i drink non-alcoholic beer you've drank a lot of beer i've drank a lot of beer but i i part of the reason that i became such a bad alcoholic and started blacking out all the time was because of beer, because it was so fattening.

If beer wasn't so fattening and I didn't go, I'll move over to vodka for health reasons. It was the... Just say, stay slim. All I really wanted to do was drink beer in Guinness and that's all I really ever wanted. And then I was, I'm getting too fat. Better for show for my career, I better drink vodka.

Ryan Dick was born in Atlanta, currently lives in Anaheim. And for 16 years, he has worked at world-renowned breweries such as the Brewery. It's spelled different, really. That's why I was trying to say it differently. B-R-U-E-R-Y. Modern Times and Radiant Beer Company, which led him to Everywhere,

a boutique and community-powered fermentorium that he opened with four colleagues and comrades mere weeks ago. So when this comes out, maybe like about a month or so ago. In the city of Orange, California. You can find info on Everywhere at everywherebeer.com and on Instagram at everywherebeerco. I'm not done because I've got to tell you about Ricky.

Oh yeah, me too. And Ricky Cervantes, born in Los Angeles, California and raised in the Chicago suburbs. I guess that's how you know Kelly. Yeah, we went to high school together. Well, not at the same time. Started brewing beer in 2014 and in the early days he spent all of, what is PTO? Paid time off.

Oh, see, that's what happens, what is PTO? Paid time off. Oh, see. That's what happens when you're a comedian. At the time, shadowing brewers in the Chicagoland area and soaking up information like a sponge. And on weekends, brewing his own batches of beer and building a following in the process before taking the plunge and going pro six years later in 2020. Foreign Exchange Brewing Company has been supplying the Chicagoland area's thirsty beer fans for the past few years with plans to open a production facility and taproom in the coming year. Foreign Exchange can be found online at foreignexchangebrewing.com and on Instagram at foreignexchangebrewing. I haven't tried Ryan's beer, but I tried Ricky's beer last time I was home because my brother had some of it.

And, phew, delicious. Good work, Ricky. Oh, it's so sick. Good work. Good work. I liked it. He's a professional in every sense of the word. I didn't read all of your you sent us a lot of stuff with your bio. If there's other stuff you want us to tell us about how you got into beer and there was something else in there about like I'm not getting back to people's texts that you wanted me to say, but I don't know, Ryan, if you want to. Oh, honestly, I was going to say, if you'll give me a second,

for everybody watching that knows me, I just want to thank you for still being my friend because I haven't fucking texted or called any of you back. I've been opening the brewery, so thank you. Thanks for the time. There you go. Is that how you lose friends? I've lost a few.

Then you open the brewery and they all come back in for beer. I got to open a brewery to get them all back. It's funny you were going, where was it? paid time off paid time off i've i've gotten really into this show on netflix called the mole where it's like one of those game shows and one person's trying to sabotage you have to figure out who it is and whatever and there's there's a girl in it whose name is joy and it's joi right now i know you're not as into porn as me, but JOI, that's jerk-off instructions. So I thought everyone knew this,

so I've been calling it jerk-off instructions, and my wife was like, why do you keep doing that? I didn't know it, see? You need abbreviations in porn so you can get through there quickly. There's no time for typing. You put ATM, you can't write an ass to mail. It's too much work. Yeah, exactly.

So now I need to know what porn abbreviation did you think PTO was? Oh, I didn't know what PTO was. I was waiting along with Forrest. I paid time off. I've never had paid time off. Pussy time or all. I've never not done a gig and then someone's gone,

yeah, we'll pay you this week anyway. It's like I always like people go, oh, the holidays are coming. Yeah, I at one point had a job where there would have been paid time off, but it's so long ago, I don't remember. So PTO, that's, yeah. My last job before I changed careers,

I had unlimited paid time off. And why aren't you still taking it? Well, so when, when a company offers unlimited paid time off, what that really means is you definitely shouldn't take it. They'll look down on it. You, if you do, but I was, so nobody else that I worked with took time off, but that year I went out of the country three or four times cause I was like, fuck this. So, yeah. Good work, I think. Yeah, thanks. All right.

So I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about beer brewing. Yeah, I don't know as much as you think. I was more, you know, I was more a consumer. Well, we'll see. And then Ricky and Ryan, you're going to grade Jim on his accuracy of his answers after this 0-10, 10s being the best. Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on et cetera. We'll add those scores together. 0-10, Bud Light.

11-20, Bud Medium. 21-30, Bud Heavy. Bud Light's your best? No, that's your worst. Oh, okay. Bud Heavy's your best. Okay. You ever had Bud Heavy?

No. It's really good. Oh, man. You've got to try it. I can't. I'm an alcoholic. It's not a real beer all right then i'll give it a go uh how is beer brewed fuck me uh the time i tried to do it in a bathtub you tried to do it oh when i was about 18 you know when you're 18 and you and your mates just finished school and you're endeavouring into manhood and you're like,

we'll make our own beer, which always sounds like a good idea. And you go down to that beer shop and they give you like a tube and a funnel and a plastic container like you're out of Breaking Bad and wish you luck. But no, I don't think I ever got to the next stage of actually making it. Okay. But it's barley and wheat and water and it's fermented over time and all that type of stuff okay that's all it goes into it

barley wheat water i want to say yeast yeast yeah but i feel like i've just done bread then yeah i think i've just made bread. Yeah, okay. Beers are broken into two basic types. What are they? For me personally, my two types of beers are lagers and stouts. Okay. But then, you know, I've also worked in pubs in England where I've pulled IPAs and stuff like that,

like actual pulled beers, not aerated or anything like that. So, yeah, there's a lot of different types of beers. But I like just a standard lager or a Guinness. What does a, quote, smash beer stand for? A smash beer? Like S-M-A-S-H. Well, it would have something to do with... Another acronym. No, it would have something to do with... Another acronym.

No, it would have something to do... An acronym, right? Yeah. It's an acronym. Oh, it's an acronym. I was about to go... Think of porn. I was about to go, like, with alcohol,

there's always a mash and a thing. No, no, no. S-M-A-S-H. S-M-A-S-H. Small amount of shitholes. Yeah, you got it. What qualifies something as a craft beer? Blueberries. yeah you got it uh what qualifies something as a craft beer um i i know i think that craft beers normally have to come from smaller distilleries um

or breweries for beers um but i you know you can still have a big brand that will bring out one of their craft ones so this is someone throws a slice of lemon in the top of it or a slice of orange. Yeah, got it. What does IPA stand for? You've had an IPA, right? I've had many IPAs, but I always go back to the old one. I don't know.

I used to have a joke many years ago that beer was my wife I always used to go like beer's my wife I've met it in high school I take it to parties with me I'm not embarrassed about it being around my friends and

beer's my wife and drugs are the dirty bitches you see on the side cocaine and whatnot. They're more fun, but you don't trust them. And you always go back to beer. I remember that. I can't say it now.

I'm actually married. The IPA story is actually one of Ricky's favorite stories to tell, so we'll have to get back to that one later. We'll have to bookmark that one for you, Rick. What is malt liquor? You ever had malt liquor? I thought malt was something you put in whiskey I don't know if that's an American I've had a lot of malt liquor when I was a kid that was like what we started I thought that was a whiskey thing no whiskey we're talking

about beer okay what are quote quote, noble hops? It's where you get one leg up and you jump around the room and you go, me lady. Yeah, you got it. What are the function of hops? To get a short distance, you know. No, the hops make it, give it body. Body. That's a good thing to say about alcohol.

What is double drying? I'm sorry. What is double dry hopping? And what effect does it have on beer? Double dry hopping. And what effect does it have on beer? I would believe it's when you dry the hops once and then you think, it's like when you get double fried fries.

Yeah. They're a bit crispier. Yeah. Makes the beer sharper you get double fried fries. Yeah. They're a bit crispier. Yeah. Makes the beer sharper and drier. Okay. Or like when you think your clothes are dry, but they're not. Yeah, a dry beer. You touch the top of your jeans, and you're like, it's not dry.

Still, Tooie's Dry is my drink of choice. Australian beer, Tooie's Dry, or Heineken is my two beers. Here's one. What is the name of the foam on top of fermenting beer? On fermenting beer. not when you pour it sludge is too easy a name uh foam i'll say the uh the yield i know it's not right but it's always a good word to say around things how do you darken a beer during the brewing process. You double fry the hops. How many breweries are in the United States? Oh, fucking 500.

Yeah. How many gallons in one barrel of beer? Not a keg, a barrel. I don't know. I mean, a barrel. Yeah, a barrel. I guess that's what you're brewing in as a barrel. I don't know. I mean, a barrel. Yeah, a barrel. I guess that's what you're brewing in is a barrel. Do the counting.

Yeah. Like you're talking like a wooden barrel. Yeah, because the next question has a keg in it. So this is a barrel. 22 gallons. And then how many pours do you get from a slim pony keg? We're doing pints, midis, schooners. What are we doing?

I know my measurements on beers very well. Half pints, midis, schooners. What are we doing? I know my measurements on beers very well. Half pints, midis, schooners. Let's do pints. Pots. We're doing pints. Pints.

Pints are pretty universal. Yeah, pints. Yeah, pints. Pints are the measurement of choice. The schooner is very Australian, I believe. Yeah, I'm going to say,

I'm going to say 52 schooners. Okay. Pints? 52 pints. Oh, 52 pints. Okay. What is the most common style of beer brewed by the big breweries? Lagers.

Okay. What is the oldest operating brewing company in the United States? Pabst Blue Ribbon. Yeah. I think it's, maybe I know, I don't know any of these, but I think I know that one. I saw one of the food that made America type of thing, and I know that was one of the originals.

I don't know if it's the original. I think it beats Budweiser, and I believe it beats Coors. You know what I think it is? I think it's that one yingling, which is like, sounds like it's not even from there. One yingling? I don't know. It seems like it's old.

Yeah, it does not sound like it's here. Better if you two no no no that's in pennsylvania i'm pretty sure all right can you describe a phenolic p-h-e-n-o-l-i-c taste in a finished beer phenolic uh it's something it covers uh the tip of the tongue and the side bits of the tongue on the palate aren't as tenderized as the tip. Good, yeah. Yeast can survive and continue to ferment in environments as high as 15% alcohol by volume. True or false? True. Okay.

Trappist beers must be brewed on the grounds of what? If you listen to rap music, you'd have a funny joke for this. Yeah. Trappist beers must be brewed on the grounds of what? If you listen to rap music, you'd have a funny joke for this. What? Yeah. Trappist beers must be brewed on the grounds of what? Yeah. Harlem. Yeah.

I don't know because you said a rap thing. Yeah, I know. But Harlem. Which is the oldest beer brewery in the world that has been continuously operating in the world? Continuously operating? Mm-hmm. operating in the world continuously operating i know i know stella is remarkably old beer company very very old guinness is old uh cronenberg is a very old beer cronenberg's 18 76 and still i would say stella whatis. What about Yingling? Stella Artois. Okay. A beer brewed with more honey than grain is called what?

Oh, more honey than grain? Yeah. A beer brewed with more honey than grain is called a what? How much more honey? Is it like 80% honey? Just more. I didn't know any honey was involved. 51% or more.

There you go. That's a shitload of honey. No, 51%. 51% more of honey. Or more. It could just be 1% more honey than grain. No, it's a Winnie the Pooh. Okay. He doesn't know the answer anyway.

Generally speaking, a session beer needs to be low in what a session beer has to be low in alcohol okay in the brewing process the fermentation step turns sugar into alcohol and what else sugar goes in the ingredients put that into one of my ingredients barley wheat sugar yeast in in the brewing process the fermentation step turns sugar into alcohol and what else fermentation turns sugar into alcohol and then it turns into something else as well um there's nothing to do with the aeration there's nothing um yeah it turns it into the yellow color got it a couple more questions, which ingredient is malted at the beginning of the brewing process? Generally. Barley.

And what is the final step in beer production? Putting it into bottles. Yeah. You're telling me I'm fucking wrong, man. Probably. You should have asked what the second last one was. Wouldn't it be the cap or the label? Oh, yeah.

The label's already on. The label's on? The label's already on. I've seen those machines was. Wouldn't it be the cap or the label? Oh, yeah. No, the label's already on. Label's on? Label's already on. I've seen those machines. What about putting it in the box? No, no, no, no. The production's done then because you can drink it off the conveyor belt then.

So I'd say the cap. Yeah. I've seen the vermouth, surely. Yep. What brewery is credited as starting the bourbon barrel aging trend? The bourbon barrel aging trend. So bourbon is an American type of whiskey.

So I'm going to say it's an American brand. And I'm going to say that's Budweiser. Budweiser. What causes skunked beer? Aeration and the yeast going bad and, you know, not sealing something up. So you get a poor odor. Like if you leave like your ball sack too long and it gets all sweaty and you get like and then you get thrush and it goes from more than

being just a bit of sweat to now it's a medical issue skunk balls skunk balls okay what is i don't know how to pronounce this word g-e-u-z g-u-z g-u-z g-u-z g-u-z what is g-u-z-S? Goose? Goose. Goose. What is Goose? Where does it come from? G-E-U-Z-E. Goose. Goose sounds to me to be French or German. It would probably be German. The Germans are very big into beer. What is Goose?

Goose is who you talk to when you're drunk. Let's go talk to those Goose over there. It's gender fluid. Where does it come from? Like the words, German, you think? I'd say German, yeah. Okay. Lager, last question.

Lager comes from a German word meaning what? Lager. Geese. Lager. Well, it's a pale light beer in texture. So I'm going to say from the german word for light okay all right ricky and brian how did jim do on his knowledge of beers zero through ten ten's the best beer brewing yeah hit it ricky um overall are you talking about the overall or yeah overall not

good i know overall yeah yeah i don't know overall i. Overall, I would put it at like a Bud Light Next, which is about a 3.5 out of 10. Boom. What's a Bud Light Next? It's like a low-calorie Bud Light, but it's not completely water-like Bud Light. I remember that one. This is the thing.

So in Australia, a light beer means a half alcohol beer, so you'll have like 0.2%. And so guys like my dad who are old, who still want to drink beer every day but they don't want to get hammered, they drink light beers, right? Now, light beers in America, of course, we know means low carb. Low calorie, low carb. Yeah, low calorie, low carb.

No one told me this when I came to America. So I was going down to the improv to do my sets. I'd been here for about a week. I was meeting everyone like that, and I was just drinking what I thought were low alcohol beers. I was having like six light beers and then getting back in my car like, I'm a responsible person. It took a long time.

And you guys don't do the half alcohol things not in a big way like if you're in australia you'll see a 4x and a 4x light and a thing in a light and it will just be the half alcohol ones um so there you go three and a half all right what how do you do in confidence gotta oh should we give ryan a score too yeah okay i thought you guys were sorry i think they were in a grade what we can yeah, what do you... A little average amount. All right, Jim, I'm going to tell you a little story. When I was in middle school and I really just didn't want to fucking do anything, I would just write whatever I wanted

on some of the test answers and I would try to make my teacher laugh. And more often than not, I would end up passing the class and the teacher would end up giving me full credit just for being silly. So if I could, I would give yeah so if i could i would give you bud platinum i would give you 31 all right thanks man most of the answers were actually really on

point uh and even when they were off they were they were relatively close i want to give you a nine yeah even uh yeah when when they were off they were they were great man i'm sitting over here that's a 12.5 out of 20 that's a 6.25 yeah okay what the fuck's bud platinum i don't know bud platinum is like a high high alcohol uh version of budweiser nice oh i didn't know platinum was high alcohol okay yeah um i going to give him a five on confidence. It's funny. There's always like a flashy name for whatever beer,

the homeless drink, right? Miller High Life. Yeah, Miller High Life is a big one. King Cobra. Yeah, and the one in Britain is Carlsberg Special. Yeah. And it's got like a really ornate type of label to it. It's like a light yellow. And that's the homeless beer of choice.

I think it's like 50 cent cheaper at the 7-Eleven than the other ones. You know, Carlsberg. Well, malt liquor. I mean, I don't know. When I was not of age, we would drink malt liquor. And I feel like that would be a choice of the homeless. To this day, I can't really drink cider because we used to get these big bottles of strongbow and i used to just like before we went into the underage bar i used to sit in the park and

like medicine just fucking knock yourself out man all right i'll give you 100 minutes all right all right yeah uh so how is beer brewed not in the bathtub i'm assuming all right guys i mean it can be if you clean your bathtub really well. Otherwise, you're going to have a bad time. In prison, you can do it in a toilet, man. Yeah. No, actually, Jim, you kind of nailed it. You said barley, wheat, water fermented over time with yeast.

I mean, beer is commonly referred to as liquid bread. So you kind of were pretty spot on uh with by calling it bread that was the thing i remember like when we i went to octoberfest when i was 21 and uh we were there and we went into all the different halls and heard the umpah music and drank big you know steins of lager and all that stuff and there was like a german tour guide who was meant to take us around all the halls. But his tour lasted till the first hall. And it was just like, no, there's some girls here. Don't need to see the other ones.

Right? So we're just drinking. But I remember that one thing. He goes, here in Germany, beer is also seen as a food item. Each beer is regarded as four slices of bread. so it is more considered a meal here in germany than a drink right that was the first thing he started with and i remember thinking are you cunts fucking having four slices of bread because i'm about to have six of these it's like i don't know why i'm so full all I had was a loaf of bread for dinner aren't there hops in there too

yes there are hops that is the one ingredient that Jim missed on that one what is that one for the New Zealand beer Steinlager that's like their national thing and they always go on that the hops are green that's a big deal I don't even know what hops are go ahead

no you explain. Yeah, yeah, please. Turns out I'm not the expert. Yeah, we'd love to. So yeah, hops and cannabis are sister plants. In America, most of ours we get from Pacific Northwest. New Zealand, in my opinion, has like the most beautiful hops. They're very similar to like a New Zealand white wine.

So you'll get much more grassy, floral, you know, bitter, you know, but in America, it's, you know, right now everybody wants very just tropical fruit adjacent, you know, juice bomb style hops. But yeah, hops come from the ground, grow in vines, they are processed and more often than not pelletized just for better use of consumption, added on the hot side of beer. And, you know, while we're talking about it, there is an addition you Added on the hot side of beer. And while we're talking about it, there is an addition you can do on the cold side. Double dry hopping, you can do with either one of those. The term, it's not really my favorite. I don't really know how Ricky feels about it, but double dry hopping, it sure makes it sound like a lot, right? If you use one pound of something

and you double it two, that's really not that much. But if you of something and you double it two that's really not that much but if you use three and you double it that's six so there's so many variables in in the term double dry hopping but what that yeah typically means is you are doubling down on your addition when you are recirculating the beer to get that huge burst of whatever flavor you're looking for i was close to saying two times hops yeah so i went with the fries analogy good answer so the hops is is that like where the most of the flavor comes from and then so yeah it can be yeah and typically in stout you know like we were talking about before stout is a very malt driven style of beer you know red ale brown ale uh but ipa obviously it's it's very very very much about the hops and so historically hops were used for a preservative you know uh not just for a bittering agent, but as a preservative.

Perfect time to tell your story, dude. You should just go for it. It's the best. There's like a there's like a common joke that like, you know, that hops were created to essentially make IPAs last the trip on a ship from England to India or India to England or what have you to last that extended time, like Ryan said, as a preservative. One of the things that Ryan didn't mention is that hops are actually a flower. So that is what a hop actually is.

It is a flower that grows on a vine that has very aromatic properties and also has antimicrobial properties which is what create what makes it uh preservative okay so whenever we whenever we do these podcasts i all about food i always think who is the first cunt to go and i'll get that flour off a vine and i'll throw it in with some bread mix and i'll hope for the best because it feels like that was a fairly early on invention so where was i know we're going to talk about the the original breweries and stuff but where do we think the origins and the first beer was made yeah we can go out of order you can answer any questions you want i would honestly guess probably made by mistake. Probably people trying to store grains.

The grains get wet overnight. There's so much natural yeast and bacteria in the air that I would imagine that the first beers were actually made by mistake and then it's people trying to recreate this accidental science. Everything was like we did an episode on cheese way back and we found out that cheese was invented because someone poured milk into a sheep's gut to carry it somewhere as a bag

and then it came out in clumps because it walked and it sloshed around a bit. Beer is pretty much as old as human history. You were talking about preserving it too, the English. We just did bread and they said one of the facts they gave us was that

Vaseline was invented because they would toast the bread in order to preserve it. Basically, it was so hard you couldn't eat it. And Vaseline was invented so that they could choke it down when they had to travel to the desert. They put Vaseline on it. I was like, delicious.

And Nutella is just Vaseline with crushed up hazelnuts. No, that's not true. Delicious. And Nutella is just Vaseline with crushed up hazelnut. The more you know. No, that's not true. All right. Beers are broken into two basic types. What are they? Jim said lagers and stouts.

That's my two favorite types, personally. However, the correct answer is lagers and ales. Ales is the bloody word. Now, when they make a guinness because i think guinness is god's drink i just i love guinness that's what i miss more than anything and i didn't used to have a lot of them because i always feel heavy although i know they're a lower calorie beer than lagers and it's sort of a misnomer that they're going to be heavy what is the different ingredient that goes into that or is it just a different cooking method what what's

different um that kind of actually ties into there's another question dark uh further down the line this is how do you darken a beer during the brewing process right and um that comes down to roasted barley so the same barley that you would use to make um or a similar barley that you would use to make a lager for example you then put that into a kiln and you roast it until it gets to varying degrees of darkness. And that also then brings out like some of those chocolate flavors that you get in the Guinness and other stouts. But yeah, it's just a matter of adding roasted grains, roasted barleys. How do they make it so creamy? Because you have other creamy type of heads on beers like a John Smith, which is sort of a hybrid between the two.

Or, you know know so how do why does it do bubble up so long like it takes so long and those guinness commercials where you just watch it it's like it's that's like fucking beer and like the correct pour is like you do halfway and then you're waiting it's nitrogen right there's nitrogen in there or something right and when i was in ireland with you it was better yeah it's better it doesn? There's nitrogen in there or something? Right. And when I was in Ireland with you, it was better. Yeah, it's better. It doesn't travel. I don't know if there's a thing.

It doesn't travel or it's got to do with the water. There is an urban myth, and I don't know if this is right, but I pray it's correct. But there's an urban myth about Guinness that I've been told by the Irish, and I even got told this myth on the Guinness tour and all that sort of stuff, that what happened was they were using the water in Dublin where the brewery's right in the city. You can go there.

There's a restaurant at the top. It's lovely. So they get the water from the river going through the middle of Dublin and then they drain the river because it was filled with fucking dead rats and all this type of bullshit from whatever, hundreds of years or whatever. It was just filled with dead rats at the bottom of the thing. So they gut the thing.

This is like, yeah, 100 years ago. Clean it up. Get all the rats out like that. Then everyone was like, oh, it doesn't taste as good. So they dumped some meat back into the river. Needs more rats. I hope that's true. I don't think that's true

you think they just suck the water up and don't filter it for the user for the beer i don't i don't think a hundred years ago they had great fucking rap scraping machines i reckon they just got 50 of them with guys who could hold their breath with a bag like i don't think this was a special big machine maybe um i don't even know what the difference between a lager and a nail and a stout it um i'm whenever i don't know anything about whenever i've drank a lot of beer but whenever i go to a place and they're like what do you like i'm always like lager but i don't even know what that is i know it's like it's just your standard i know but i don't know what that means yeah maybe you guys could give us a little basic

difference between the few of them. Yeah. So a lot of it comes down to do with not only the yeast that's used. There are lager yeast and then there's ale yeast, which ferment in different ways. But on top of that, too, how it's actually brewed and cellared plays a part in what makes an ale an ale and a lager a lager. plays a part in what makes an ale an ale and a lager a lager so lagers are usually fermented at lower temperatures and then they're fermented for longer or cellared for longer and what that does is that allows them to kind of mellow out and become you know clean easy crisp drinking whereas an ale could take you could ferment a little bit warmer and what that does is that'll also ferment it quicker and obviously has a lot of malt character to where any kind of like imperfections would be kind of buried in that additional flavor, whereas a lager is got really nothing to hide behind.

So therefore, it has to be done perfectly. Anything I missed, Ryan? I would honestly skip ahead so we had one of the questions like lager is a German word meaning what lager means like store like warehouse, storeroom so lager beer was beer lager beer that was

typically aged over the winter months and so yeah you have it readily available a Maybach is a Bach beer that has been aged through the winter until May. It's ready to go in the spring. But yeah, lager beer, it's really about a longer sitting time. If you guys have heard of Kolsch, Kolsch is essentially a lager made as an ale. It tastes very similar, but it's a much faster turn time. So you're able to get that beer released. You know,

our brewery had just released a Kolsch, for example, just because we had opened. So recently we can't be holding up a tank for 10 weeks to, to have a true traditional Pilsner style beer. So we did it and you know, a Kolsch, it's a quicker flip and it's actually priced a little bit lower accordingly, less ingredients, faster turn time. And so, because we're able to turn it over faster, there's really no reason that we would charge the same amount as we would for a stout or a, you know, an IPA. I thought Grosch was a brand, Grosch Lager. Not Grosch, not Grosch, Kolsch.

Kolsch. K-O-L-S-C-H, yeah. Grosch, the swing top. Yeah, yeah. People love those bottles. Yeah, that's a winner. Those are, they're great. Yeah, no, those are great Yeah, that's a winner. India Pale Ale. We shorten everything, so we say stout, we say IPA, but there is ale always really tacked on to the end of most of these styles. I knew that, India Pale Ale. I knew that. I knew that. So, yeah, easy to remember.

Red Ale, Brown Ale, you know, India Pale Ale, stout ale. Now, you know how the rest of the world thinks about American generic beers, your Budweiser's, your Coors, and all that type of stuff. Do you subscribe because you're a craft beer man. Do you subscribe that the American beers are a bit crap or I, I personally think they're okay. I've never had a problem with them or anything, but, but, but whenever I see Australian friends are always like, Oh, how do you drink that fucking shit over there? Fucking like that.

Do you think they get a bad rap? Time and a place yeah you know pretty much uh i know i think the problem that craft beer is facing is that the american beers are meant to be consumed in bulk you're walking out of the store with 30 packs but you walk out of a brewery with a four pack you know and the four pack of craft pilsner is typically 12 to 16 dollars but for 16 bucks you can get 30 beers you know so if i'm going to the river and i'm gonna lay in the river all fucking day i don't necessarily want to go and load up on craft beer it's gonna be higher alcohol more expensive you know

yeah you're not gonna be wrong with a craft beer yeah crush a bunch of tacotis i've actually played wine pong before that's good it's like when you go you go into bottle shops and they have the little symbols underneath do they do that here? they do it in Australia so you'll see and then they'll have like a symbol of a fish and then there'll be a symbol of a steak

and all the things that you should have this alcohol with yeah yeah it'll be nice under the beer just a beer pong a red solo cup yeah yeah right yeah yeah

that is funny, though. They'd be like, do you like that IPA? They're like, what are you talking about? But piggybacking off of what Ryan just said, though, that being said, I do have Miller High Life in my fridge downstairs, so I am not above drinking some of these. I drank Heineken's for the last 10 years of me drinking. I used to always have fond memories of going to Holland

and they get the knife and they cut the heads off and all that type of stuff to keep it crisp. I roofed for a summer in Florida for like four months. And when you were done roofing in Florida, we'd always go and have some beers. And there was never a time where we wanted a dense beer. We were like, give me a Coors Light. Yeah you go to england to this day there's people who live in england who don't get why they don't like any cold drinks of any you try asking for ice in england that's

me they serve you ice with tongs with fucking tongs they don't have a scoop like yeah they go like this and they put the two cubes in and then then I go, can I have some more, please? And then they put another one in. Kind of rationing frozen water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They fucking won the war, and they still fucking. Anyway, so you go. I always said to them, put so much ice in, you think I'm insane.

And they're like, all right. They think they're putting a joke amount in, and then you're like, that's what I wanted. And there's a few things, because they're slightly cheap, and they think that ice all right. They think they're putting a joke amount in and then you're like, that's what I wanted. And there's a few things because they're slightly cheap and they think that ice will be less for them, but it's also, you know, it goes back, I think, to the British dental plans, the rickety teeth and the cold, it hurts me teeth.

Anyway, so they, but that's why they have like, they still have the pulled ales where you actually got to pump. You ever seen that? So you get a big handle and you actually just go pump, pump, pump. Like this is the beer. And they want that beer as warm as fuck. So what they did was in Britain, there was the younger generation that started liking cold beers.

Now, if you go to Australia and you go to a bar, the beer taps are covered in ice. We like it so cold that they've started to freeze over on the beer taps is covered in ice we like it so cold that they've started to freeze over on the beer taps is covered in ice until the shift ends and it melts you know uh in britain they have they have fosters and they have fosters super cold and they have guinness and they have guinness super cold and they have these filtration systems underneath that runs the beer through that makes it really cold before it goes through on a different tap that would never happen in another country here you were just here people fucking put their mugs in fridges like in hooters and you're not meant to do that because that puts condensation and that puts water into the beer the same way as putting ice and it's meant to fuck around with the recipe a bit i never

thought but i do love me a frosted glass i love it nice um what was i right about the frosted glasses i was just talking about my frosted glasses or was I just talking out my ass right then I heard you're not meant to have them I'm not a big fan of frosted glasses

but yeah like Ryan said though you know time and place time and place at Hooters I love it

when John Tapper goes into bar rescue and he sees a frosted glass he loses his shit you're losing all the beer here you're losing it all! You're running your business into the ground!

Shut it down! Shut it down! Don't let anybody eat any more food! They're all going to die! Don't sell anything else unless you're using my POS! Yeah, exactly. And then he always redoes the bar, and it's got like two bottles of whoever the sponsor is that day.

We have Johnny Walker Blue and Johnny Walker Red. That's all the spirits we have. And we're going to be serving this beer you've never heard of. People are going to come and they want to see this. And it's like,

obviously there was a season where they were sponsored by Guinness. So it was always like, we put new beer taps in. These are the best beer taps you're ever going to have. And the only two beers were Guinness and Harp Lager. People in Ireland don't even drink Harp Lager,

which is Guinness' lager. They just sort of throw it out into the marketplace like, look, we do other things. No one gives a fuck Guinness. Make us that black stuff and fuck off. What does a smash beer stand for? Jim didn't get this right.

So what does it stand for? A small amount of shitholes. Oh, shit. You got it right. A small amount of shitholes. You got it right. No, it actually stands for single malt and single hop. So basically you use only one type of malt and only one hop and make a beer with it.

So there's different types of malts. One of them is called like golden promise, for example, you could use golden promise and you can, and use that exclusively as like the grain to make the liquid itself. And then for the hop, you use like, you know,

just Citro or just Simcoe or one, one type of hop. And that's in the beer that you get from that is a smash beer. So how, with all of these different hops and it being a, and I assume this is for many food products but how for hundreds of years you know where's a hundred or how for a couple hundred years has heineken been making the beer that tastes exactly the same every single time when

we have so many variables in these recipes um i mean yeah there's a obviously with all these beers being made with natural ingredients that you know they're grown in different climates you know they're you know this could be a hot year could be a wet year could have been more rain you know could have been less rain um there's definitely variables and ingredients um i can't vouch for heineken but i've been on the anhydrous bush tour and like they tout that it's beechwood aged And one of the things I learned in that tour is not because Beechwood adds anything to it, but it's because it actually strips flavor and its consistency. It's kind of in the same vein as to why all Starbucks coffee tastes burnt to me.

And it's because they roast it so it all tastes the same. I never thought about that. On the commercial it does say Beachwood it sounds good it sounds good it's done that to kind of strip some of that flavor for consistency I would also say that the companies we were talking about

are fucking richer than God so they have access to equipment that brewers on our level would imagine they exist but but i also believe that they are just making so much product and you know they are getting so much grain at once and they're getting so much of a hop at once uh it kind of reminds me i was in buffalo new york last year and this lady drove her car into niagara falls and it was sitting at the edge and it ultimately

went over and i was telling my dad holy shit like this car exploded on the rocks like think about all the way you just saw a car go into niagara falls and you flopped over this story we missed it by a couple hours this was crazy this lady killed you can look it up on youtube don't do it fucking now it's psychotic this lady tried to kill herself so she drove her car in at the edge of the falls and it got stuck on these rocks at the very edge and she couldn't get out and she died in the freezing water and there was a we saw them airlift her out it was fucking crazy it was the craziest day to go to niagara falls ever right it's like maybe they should put a fence what crazier than that day when that kid jumped off and superman saved him yeah yeah i would say so uh but in talking to my dad about

it i'm like dude this car went over the edge of the falls. Like, isn't that fucking crazy? Like, think about all the engine fluid and oil and everything that leaches into the water. And he's like, dude, I think you're underestimating how much that you can throw in some shitty product and no one's going to notice yeah because they're operating on a level that we cannot even fathom you know i guess we can because i've been to the same tour over in st louis the tanks are big i live in a three-story townhouse the tanks are way bigger than than my house yeah it's fucking insane to be in that room you feel my my i. This is a bit of a name drop, but I played car soccer with Jay Leno on Jay Leno's show. I don't know if it's aired yet. Yeah, when is it going to air? But we played soccer in Toyota Camrys and shit.

They had roll bars in there, and we had this big propane tank that was about four foot high that was the soccer ball, and we just drove into each other at full pelt. You what i mean and i said to him i said uh what happens if the car catches on fire because i was really strapped into this thing the doors are all welded shut and they're like why would the car catch on fire and i go because we're smashing into each other and they go you've watched a lot of movies haven't you i guess i guess i still don't know why it doesn't catch on fire it doesn't happen so that doesn't

happen no no it turns out like when you just shoot a cup it doesn't blow up either dinner party fact yeah what qualifies something as a craft beer just throw a slice of orange in it yeah uh smaller breweries uh basically uh smaller independent owned breweries yeah you did say that too jim there's been – yeah, yeah. Jim definitely got that one. Then there is a little bit of a sliding scale as far as what the number – like basically like breweries that produce less than – what was it? 200,000? Something like that.

It was like a certain number and then I think Sam Adams crossed that number. So then they made the number bigger to include Sam Adams in that. But essentially, the by and large definition is essentially independently owned. The owners cannot be a part of a large beer conglomerate such as Anheuser-Busch or Molson Coors or anything like that. But yeah yeah just independently owns pretty much what what do you reckon the best way to drink beer tap bottle can uh shotgun i've been seeing this thing online and it makes sense to me it makes sense to me about how you should pour it out and let the foam like it let it kind of foam up because then it doesn't do that in your stomach.

I've been doing that, and when I have a beer and it makes sense to me, it's made me feel less full. Okay. Do you know, I was a bartender in London. I was a bartender in Australia as well. What's a lager top? What's a what? A lager top.

If someone orders a lager top, what's that? Lager top? Not familiar. I have not familiar this is a british thing they spray what they call lemonade but a bit of sprite in the top just a little bit and they go yeah a bit easier on the tummy you know put a bit they have a little you put a dash of lemon dash of sprite on the top of it what's a shandy yes pretty much that a shandy shandy's half and half yeah shandy's half right stuff but uh but yeah it's that's a real i i've they and they ordered them on the regular this was like i'll have a lager top a lager top a lager top and they that was like a common thing and i'd never fucking heard of it at all but you know the brits yeah i hadn't either we're gonna start doing that at

the brewery this week and we'll call it uh we'll call it the gym special yeah you ever had a you ever had a snake bite oh yeah absolutely yeah so i can't remember the snake bite is i believe a uh half lager or half stout half lager half strongbow half cider and then black uh black currant uh cordial dashed in there so it's all red cider cider and lager yeah cider lager and a bit of black currant cordial you can smash those puppies all day you'll get fucking blind and they drink like a coke damn so i actually did look that number up because it's uh it we were surprised by this before so to be considered craft a brewery must produce less than six million barrels per year uh it's good we can skip ahead because that was a question. How much is a brewing barrel of beer?

A barrel is 31 gallons. So for a brewery to be craft, they need to produce 6 million times 31. So do that math. So you guys are going to be craft for a while? For sure. Until the end of time. Okay. All right.

Good. Just psychotic. Sorry. india pale ale you were yeah i remember that after the fact malt liquor jim did not know what malt liquor is um i don't i drank it i don't really know you've never played edward 40 hands yeah i don't know what that is 40 ounce it's where you tape 40 ounce malt liquor to your hands and you have to drink it before you can ever go to the bathroom. Bloody Americans and your drinking games. Just get fucked.

They just drink, though. The rest of the world is just getting hammered and you guys are going, let's make a game of it. And you're beer ponging and you're doing all this type of stuff. Oh, come on. Beer pong's good. I've never played. What? I've never played. What?

I've never played a game of beer pong in my life. Well, we can play with not beer. I get the gist of the game. I've seen it. I reckon you should be able to bounce the ball, but the fact that you have to just. We'll play it at the Halloween party. Yeah, I'll be there. But, you know, I've never alcohol gamed.

We used to play a game called Goon of Fortune. It was a thing that we played as kids, where we get cask wine, like a bladder of wine, which we call a bag of goon in Australia, and so the cheap wine. Then you get it on the clothesline and you pin it on and then you all stand underneath it, then you spin the clothesline around, the hills hoist around, you wait till it gets to you and then you have to scull

from the bladder of goon. But that was really a thing you did when you were 14. Well, i would do that now that sounds pretty good oh it is fun it's goon of fortune um malt liquor though uh yeah malt liquor it's uh fermented instead of distilled high high gravity beer high alcohol beer yeah we used to drink that a lot when i was a kid. And then we talked about a hops hop, but the noble hops we didn't get to. It's not when you hop around on one leg and say, my lady. No.

Noble hops are effectively like the traditional German-Belgian hops, like hops that were kind of used more for floral as opposed to like these, you know, the new hops that people are going for, as Ryan kind of touched on earlier, was, you know, the new hops that people are going for, as Ryan kind of touched on earlier, was, you know, these hops that lend fruity, tropical notes and aromas and flavors, whereas the noble hops are these hops that they use traditionally for pilsners and lagers, you know, in Europe. Those are considered noble hops.

So what was the oldest beer company I think I might have gotten close but what's the oldest beer company there was two there's the oldest brewing company in the United States and the oldest in the world you said PBR in the United States oldest in the US is Yingling so you nailed that

but Pabst Blue Rib is right close it was like a year later PBR is up there too. I don't remember that there were tickets on the label of Yingling. I still support, even in my sobriety, the good people at Pabst Blue Ribbon because they brought out a high seltzer. And so I drink their weed beverages. Thanks, Pabst and all the Blue Ribbon people.

Oh, those are great. Yeah. And then the oldest one in the world. Weinstaffaner. Yeah, Weinstaffaner. Weinstaffaner. Okay, how old? Where is that?

Germany. Germany. How old is it? How old does that mean? Let's see when they open it. We've only got a way to find out. Find out how old Stella is as well, because I think Stella is super old. Weinstaffiner was founded in 1040.

1040, okay. 1040 is old. Yeah, 1040 is old. It's a little older than Stella. Yeah, Stella is 600 years old. Phrasing Germany. Oh, 600 years, you know, slouch. 1366.

What's Stella Artois' nickname in Great Britain? Stelly. Germany. Oh, it was 600 years. No, you know, slouch. 1366. What's Stella Artois' nickname in Great Britain? Stelly. Stelly? Wife beater. What? Jesus Christ. Okay. It's meant to anger the blood a bit, Stella Artois, for some reason.

I think that they're just blaming something else. Yeah, yeah. I had some Stellas. What was I meant to do? What is the name of the foam on the top of fermenting beer? Jim said the yield. Go for it, Ryan.

It's called Croisin. The Croisin. That's a difficult one. What it is, essentially, is just the yeast that's kind of floated to the top, and it's kind of doing its thing. It's commonly referred referred to as top cropping yeast. And you get that out with one of those pool scoops, do you?

No. So what happens is in the process, after the yeast is done fermenting, they lower the temperature in the tank. And what that does is that causes all of that krausen to fall to the bottom. And what that does is that causes all of that Krausen to fall to the bottom. And then there's a valve on the bottom of the tank that they open up. Then they just let it dump out until it runs clear. Okay. And then so how many breweries are in the United States?

Do we know this? Jim said 500. It seems like 5 million. A little more than 500. What is it? It's like 8,500? It's a little over 8,700 by last count. What are the actual businesses? 8,500 it's a little over 8,700 by what are the actual businesses 8,500 so there's 8,500 different beer companies I can drink that I can go to the liquor store and buy

no well a liquor store somewhere I mean a liquor store somewhere yeah yeah like for example the beers the beers that like Ryan's brewery brews isn't sold in Chicago so what did you do Ryan what did you do why is it not sold in Chicago they're too cool for Chicago they go bloody hippies with their flower beers they're not fucking coming into Chicago

you could probably sell in Indiana you could probably do a booming business in Gary if you put a couple guns on that label then they'll bring them into Chicago. Yeah, that's part of your big battle, isn't it? The label. The label is what draws people in. It's like...

It's just like we are, but... Yeah, these are great. These are awesome. These are fun, yeah. Oh, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Kids are like that. The one I had before. Oh, yeah. yeah that's the teenagers you got them all teenagers the toddlers that's why that's why

like this is you know like when they brought out liquid death that like the water that comes in cans that looks like it's a beer yeah the skulls that sort of stuff my wife who was actually just walked into the room hello my my wife who was actually just walked into the room, hello. My wife who was pregnant at the time when Liquid Death came out and she's a very environmentally friendly person, my wife, and she doesn't like drinking out of plastic so it's all glass or cans or whatever. So I bought cases and cases of Liquid Death and she really did just look like a pregnant woman who didn't give a fuck.

She was just walking around with this beer can in her hand just like answering the door and not many people knew about that stuff yet she's like i was on zoom meetings and people are like what are you drinking i'm like it's water it's good though for people that are sober they can go to social events and still feel like you know it's like there is some judgment when you're not drinking well that's why i like the high drinks but another problem with being sober is so in a day even if you you like you're just going a bit crazy you wouldn't have more than two coca-colas you might have two cans of coke if you're going a bit crazy right but when you go out and you give up drinking and it goes like this you go well i'll just have a coke and then the

next cunt buys you a coke and you're like, I really just needed one Coke this evening. And then another person buys you a Coke and it's like, okay, great. I'm sober, but I've got fucking diabetes now. Like I don't want – you people are all drinking to get fucked up. Don't act like you're drinking for any other reason. I'm not going rounds with you with my basic drink. I mean, hop water is exploding right now it's 0.0 so i mean it's not even slightly non-alcoholic uh so i have some coming into the brewery next week it's made by a

place in colorado but yeah it's all local hops that they're bringing in super fresh they're doing these double dry hop waters that when you pour it into a glass it looks it's fizzy yellow looks like a beer so i mean it's going to be huge again. Well, I drink Heineken. The perception, you know. Heineken Zero, and it's pretty good. It doesn't taste quite right. Not bad, right? It's pretty good. And I heard that's because no alcoholic beers used to taste like dog,

like ass about 10 years ago. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard what happened was they used to synthetically try to make the beer taste and try to get it done. But now they actually make the beer beer then they burn off the alcohol and that's why they're not completely alcohol free they're zero zero point two you'd have to have a fucking 300 of them to feel a buzz but you know it's it's so now they taste and so there are some alcoholics that are like no it's still good alcohol in it but it is so minimal it's the same as eating your grandmother's fucking

christmas cake yeah right yeah absolutely and and again people are realizing that they don't want shit that's made with extracts you know natural flavorings and all this stuff and so these de-alkalizers like we had talked about before like heineken can make a product that rips because they are they got the money for the machine you Well, they all seem to have one now. Every brand seems to have churned one out. What is the most common style of beer brewed by the big breweries? Jim said lagers. Lagers.

That's correct. Lagers. Yep. All day. 10 out of 10. All day. In the warehouses. And then when we're talking about gross lager with the pop tops

and then we're talking about like, I'm trying to think of other bit like becks with the foil on the top and all that sort of stuff aren't those things a fucking pain in the ass to make or is that just absolutely you know what i mean like the guy we're gonna put foil on the top of each one or they just see that as their brand and all that type of stuff or is that easy i mean these days if you have a business that you have a need there is a company that will create a machine for you so i have a friend he has a meatery in arizona that they did swing tops and their staff as they were coming off the bottling line was having to swing each one and he said the blisters on their thumbs it's like an 80s kid you know arcade fingers so he reached out to a couple companies that they make packaging machines and he says i need a

machine that closes a swing top lid puts a plastic seal and applies heat to it and somebody made the machine for him so you know as long as you have the need these days you can pretty much get whatever you want which is pretty cool what is a phenolic phenolic taste in a finished beer phenolic yeah phenolic yeah phenols um i mean phenols don't necessarily have to be a bad thing it most certainly can be but it really depends on like the kind of beer that that you're having so right now like i'm having a saison um phenols in saisons i mean like uh bubble gum pepper uh spice you know like anything that's going to uh you know in a lager type setting like if you're noticing these beers that have these flavors it's going to be completely off but phenol it's a naturally uh typically naturally occurring from the yeast

but if you're not making beer in a clean environment say a bathtub you know you're more likely to end up with these other flavors okay and yet can you survive and and continue to ferment in environments like as high as 15 alcohol by volume jim said oh god yeah absolutely and so is that bad no not necessarily i mean there's a it's very hard work uh like there's obviously you need to select a very specific yeast strain but then you need to make sure that yeast is healthy and can survive in what is it you know what is a harsh environment for that yeast 15 and up alcohol um uh actually fun fun story uh the fun story. One of the breweries that Ryan used to work for makes a beer that ranges anywhere from 19% to 22% alcohol. And that beer

is the beer that I, when I first started brewing, set out to try to make myself at home. Spoiler alert, I still have not made that beer. However, that beer is what got me into brewing in the first place. So Ryan is my hero for that. But yeah, the answer is yes, Jim was correct. It can survive, but yeast is a living thing. So you need to keep it healthy and make sure that it has oxygen, make sure it has nutrients, vitamins, what is effectively vitamins are nutrients and everything it needs to survive and be healthy. that it has oxygen, make sure it has nutrients, vitamins. Suspectively, vitamins are nutrients, and everything it needs to survive and be healthy. So vitamins, nutrients.

I always find it fascinating when something is like alcohol or something that is deemed mostly bad for our health. You know what I mean? What is the benefits of beer? What goodness can an alcoholic say to themselves they're getting in? An alcoholic? An alcoholic? Yeah. I'm like, well, fuck.

I was following until you said alcoholic. No, no, no. You know what I mean? Like some guy at the end of the bar that's like this, well, at least I'm getting my blah, blah, blah in. You're bread. Yeah, because I've heard that Guinness has a whole heap of amino acids and is right up there.

Protein and... Yeah, there's so much iron in it that they used to give women right up until the 80s in Ireland. As soon as they gave birth, they would hand them a Guinness and that was meant to give you back all your iron and the nutrients that you lost in the placenta because that was something. Plus, theyish and they they're just oh you did a good job and uh you know what i mean but uh so so they used to do that in the hospitals with guinness so what is like a thing where you go oh because you know you talk about wine red wine has actually antioxidants and

if you drink a couple of glasses every week that's good for you is there redeeming features of beer for your health i mean uh go go go uh i mean in the grand scheme of things they are not substitutes for actual vitamins and actual minerals um but that being said though like uh for example sour beers can have you know um you know lactobacillus and cultures that you know are found in komb for example, that can improve gut health in that regard. I mean, beers do have. I've seen that. Yeah, there's that too. But like, yes, sour beers can have those cultures, which are good for gut health.

They obviously do contain proteins. They do contain carbohydrates, which obviously give you energy. Also gets you drunk. The alcohol gets you drunk anyway. You could make an argument for mental health. Unless people are abusing it. But when you get to share a beer with friends and it makes you happy. You can say the same thing about heroin though.

Yeah, I know. It's not good for my mental health right now. There's a good community feel about heroin. As you share the needle. Yeah, you get a lot of sleep. I tell you, I was in, now this might sound a bit bad, but I was in,

and Andrew Wontok did it, but I didn't do it. I just said I was feeling not well. But I was in one of the townships in South Africa, which is like the small, you know, the slum areas where they have the small little houses. Just outside of Cape Town.

Just outside of Cape Town. We were doing a field piece there. Not many people walk through the townships, but we went there for a field piece on the TV show. And there was a guy who basically did these slum tours. He was a nice fella, but he was making money. He'd walk people around and say, this is our nightclub. This is our thing.

This is the toilet, you know. So he took me to the fucking bar and he goes, here in South Africa, we all share. And they were drinking out of a fucking can that was like this. It was a bucket. It was a bucket that they'd fucking fermented beer in and they were handing it around all the blokes in the township to drink from the edge and i was like no it's a backwash i got some great photos and then i said but i have a friend who is feeling

a lot better who will do it our producer yeah yeah he fucking did it yeah too right he did um trappist beers must be brewed on the grounds of what? Jim said Harlem just because I said rap. But I don't know if that's right. Monastery. Monastery. Trappist is my favorite beer of all time. We have a beer whenever I'm in Europe. We have a friend called Bereng.

He's your promoter. Yeah, Bereng. European promoter. Bereng is from sweden yeah brain's very nice fella brain uh tours me around europe and he comes on the end of the tour and at the end of the tour he gives me a beer every time i think the beer is like 150 bucks a bottle or something like that but it's it's from a monastery and they only create you know one batch of it every year and there's's only like 1,000 bottles on earth.

We always have it in Sweden because he's got to go to his house to get it. And then he goes, here is the special monastery beer. Thank you for the trip, and we will drink it together. And I'm like, all right, so I have my monastery beer every time. The monks can't even talk to each other. How do they know they're not fucking it up then? They just focus. Is it Rochefort?

Is that how it's pronounced, the it is it rochefort is that how it's pronounced the trappist rochefort 10 okay that's that's my favorite beer it's 13 delicious um and then the beer brewed with more honey than grain is not called winning the poo no it's not winning the poo that is called a braggart uh so it is shit dude it's not called Winnie the Pooh. That is called a braggot. Holy shit, dude. Can't talk like that. I really wanted to let him take that one. I feel so fucking uncomfortable saying that word in 2022 in California. What, braggot?

Yeah. Why? Because it sounds a lot like a different word. Oh, it rhymes with a different word. Everyone's triggered and then half paying attention in public. They're like, wait, what did you say? Tag it. Yeah, so this came up actually when you initially asked the question.

There's no actual honey production unless you want there to be. No honey content in most beers. But if you do, you can add honey for sweetness, for additional alcohol because it does ferment out if you wanted to do that. of alcohol because it does ferment out um if you wanted to do that but if it's over 51 honey so if it's like 51 honey 49 grain um because honey is sugar so it will ferment just like that grain will uh so um if it's over 51 it's it's no longer considered a beer it's considered a braggart i'll tell you i'll tell you what beers can fuck off right and it's always someone has brought them over to your house for christmas and they're sort of sitting there and you have one right it's anytime they infuse a bit of chocolate into it fuck those beers yeah like a chocolatey stout and it's like i don't mind if it has chocolate overtones but you make it like a no no it's not

well i mean like that's that's where the the artistic component comes in is like how do you derive those flavors from malt without adding fucking candy bars to it you know although i would have a sneaky anybody can dump chocolate all fucking day man you got a snickers beer put a few did i ever put nuts in there put a bit of nuts yeah nuts would be good with a beer um twizzlers generally speaking a session beer needs to be low in what uh you said alcohol yeah i got a point in the brewing process the fermentation step turns sugar into alcohol and what else not yellow six as uh as jim mentioned uh it's carbon dioxide um so if you ever go to a brewery you see usually a bucket or on the floor or floor or hanging from a tank that's bubbling.

That is CO2, carbon dioxide that's being emitted from the fermentation process. And actually in some breweries, rather than letting it dump out into a bucket like a lot of breweries do, they actually trap that in the actual tank. And that's what naturally will carbonate a beer in some instances. Actually, what's really interesting about that, so every brewery obviously has like a bulk CO2 tank. And so CO2, where most breweries get it, it is a byproduct of fermentation from soil. So with COVID, that is why there is this co2 shortage that you've heard about why prices are through the roof but with there being less people out working less farming that is where

the co2 it gets trapped naturally those those greenhouse gases packaged and then sold back to sold back to us so it's a crazy business model if you think about that too all right just quickly around the room starting with jack going to kelly going if i was going to Kelly, going to Fries, going to me, then going to you guys. Name your number one mass-produced beer company. Where do you go? That's the one that I, if I go into the store, I'm buying that 12-pack in the cardboard box. What's your number one, Jack? I will go Modelo.

Modelo? Mm-hmm. That's still kind of fancy. Yeah, Modelo. All right. Kelly B? I would probably go Stella or Heineken. Stella or, well you have to pick one. I'm going to go Stella.

Yep, Stella. Mass produced. I drink Corona all the time because I always drink tequila. I like Corona too. And if I'm doing a shot. Oh, I like Corona. Corona gets a bad rap. I like Mexican beers.

I just, if I need to chase, if I'm doing a shot, I usually just sip tequila. But if I'm drinking shit, yeah, just Corona. I'm going Heineken. And you, lads? Yeah. High life. Easy. Easy.

Sierra Nevada. You said mass produced. You did not have to say that it couldn't still be craft. Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. I mean, you can get it almost everywhere. And it is still one of the beers that got me into this industry. And it's still just as special as it was the first time i had it good answer and uh when was your first beard you remember your first beer oh i think i gave jack his definitely my first heineken yeah

jack had never had a heineken it was like sitting down with your dad no no don't drink it don't put it back. Don't put your mouth around the entire hole. You've done it. Okay. No deep throat? Yeah, yeah. I just remember sipping some beers with pops. My dad used to homebrew a little bit, so that kind of sparked an interest early on.

But I remember really, really getting into beers when I was in high school, just using a buddy's ID. Actually, the first time I went to the brewery where I used to work was with a fake id on a date with a girl and i was like trying to impress her and hated the fucking beers and then ended up working there for for almost six years later so round and round i was i was one of the most pretentious little 15 year old you've ever met and i'd be like i'd go up to parties i'd score some beers i'd have some twoies australian twoies twoies dry which i like right and i'd have them there and i'd be like you're drinking forex it's not a very good bit like 15 like this not very good this has got more of a crisper so the word crisp a lot drier taste i was a wanker

i had my old english old english malt liquor that was my shit let's go uh okay so uh which ingredient is malted at the beginning of the brewing process is that barley barley you got that right you did better than you think and then the final step in beer production is it putting it into the bottles man we like really went back and forth on this one because i think this is pretty confusing uh the final step in beer production even when you're fucking canning beer so i mean like the answer could be filtering it could be packaging so putting into bottles capping whatever i mean as a step in beer production you're definitely pulling one off the line and drinking it so i mean like what is the final step putting it in the cold box to sell it like there's so many different answers

so i had to give you full credit on that one. But I would say the final step in beer production is filter it if you're going to filter it and then move to packaging. I got a job very briefly. I never actually had the job. My job was going to be I was going to work for Budweiser during the 2002 World Cup, right? And I was going to have to put all the bunting up around bars because budweiser always is involved with the world cup right so they'd give me a smart car that was just looked like a beer can that i'd drive down the street i'd go there i'd put the display which i would have been terrible at this job because i can't make anything look nice but i had to go

there and you know be funny or whatever in the job application. Anyway, the next step was before you could work for Budweiser, and it was like 30,000 pounds a year in a car. It sounded pretty good to me. And the next step before I could work for Budweiser, Budweiser made me get a drug test where they took a hair follicle and to see. Now, I had taken ecstasy like the day before.

There was no way. There was no way I was going to pass this fucking thing. But, you know, you go in, you're like, let's have a go. Let's see. I did not. They found loads of shit. I got fired seven times. Could have been drunk when you walked in there.

What causes skunked beer? Is it aeration? Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, oxygen. Yeah, oxygen, sunlight, oxygen. I mean, clear bottles. That's why some breweries prefer that kind of skunky flavor.

So like a Corona, for example, that flavor that makes it so unique is skunking. And I mean, a little bit of it is acceptable in certain beer styles but yeah more often than not it is just a result of light or oxygen how long should a beer last if you buy it from the store and keep it in your house because like uh you ever heard of vb from australia that's the number one drunken beer in australia victoria bitter yep right oh yeah yeah yeah victoria bit it and so vb uh they reckon there's enough chemicals in vb that it will outlast the cockroaches and in the nuclear holocaust you know what i mean like so so how long should a beer last because they have used by dates on them somewhere yeah there's there's a lot of variables that go into that um

not only you know obviously you just mentioned loads of chemicals in VB, you know, that obviously plays a part for their, you know, for their benefit. However, you know, IPAs have a little bit shorter shelf life than, you know, a Budweiser, for example, because those hops are very volatile compounds, which break down over time. Also too, if you keep that beer on your counter versus in your refrigerator, that also plays a part. You know, keeping it in the fridge will extend its shelf life. But there's a lot of variables. So, I mean, easy answer.

IPAs, I would say, you know, right around three to six months, you know, around there. Whereas, you know, a Miller Lite, a Bud Lite could, you know, last up to a year maybe. Oh, wow. I'm drinking some old ice beers year maybe. Oh, wow. I've drunken some old-ass beers. Yeah, same. I have some in my cupboard that have definitely been there since before I gave up alcohol. And I give them to guests when they come over,

and I haven't had a drink for a year and a half. I was still in my grandfather's garage. I might have been there for years. Okay, last question. Just to put in real quick, I feel like something that people can look forward to with those answers, with those timelines being much, much, much longer. The timeline that I'm looking for for my beer is, you know,

ideally six weeks, nine weeks, and that beer will be completely sold out and on to the next. So anything considering just pulling it off the shelves. Do you believe beer drunk is different than the liquor drunk? I always believe that beer drunk had a different vibe. Jolly. Yeah, it's jolly. Some jolly shit.

There's not a lot of dancing with the beer drunk. There's a lot of sitting down. A lot of labored movements. A lot of bread. What's wrong with you? I just had 26 lot of bread. What's wrong with you?

I just had 26 slices of bread. Metaphorically. So last question. What is guise? Where does it come from? Man, Ricky, you want to? Yeah. So what it's it comes from Belgium.

It's historically from Belgium. And what it is, it's this is a pretty complex answer, actually, because there is a Belgian style of beer called lambic, which is typically sour. It's not always sour, but it's essentially brewed with yeast. That's yeast and bacteria, which kind of bring out different flavors. flavors and uh geese or goose or goza however you choose to pronounce it um is typically a blend of uh lambics that have been aged from two years one year and they blend uh old lambic with young lambic um it's a pretty involved process and uh yeah it's a it's a very unique style of beer it's a uh i love that gatekeeper it's a yeah it's a beer that is typically inoculated with wild yeast and bacteria found in the belgian countryside and

so it's very much a beer of the seasons and so it's uh very near and dear to belgian tradition uh but yeah like you said it's a blend of one two and three year old golden sour beers very lightly soured with you You go into bars in Belgium. That's the best beer I've ever had. It's very good, but fuck me. There's literally some bars that have 300 beers in them. Yeah. And you're like, I don't know what to pick now.

When we went to Antwerp, we went to that jazz bar thing the promoter took us to, and I don't even... She just kept saying, order that, order that, order that. And I'm not even a huge beer guy, and every single beer i had was the best beer i ever had and we were in antwerp like just in some bar and it was fucking amazing like i that that that made me love beer like again like in belgium there it was like we actually got invited as a like i said like a 10 week old brewery we got invited to a belgian beer festival in antwerp they are paying for our plane tickets for the beer hotel it's like an all expenses paid trip so i'm gonna be in Antwerp. They are paying for our plane tickets for the beer at the hotel. It's like an all

expenses paid trip, so I'm going to be in Antwerp second week in November. Have you ever been? Like the honor that the Belgians are asking Americans to come over because that's one of the places where it's looked down. Americans, they're a bit snobby about the whole thing.

It's so cool too because it's like all the old building. You just walk around and it's really cool. All right, cool. Good chocolate, man. Here's a part of our show called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our experts to give us some sort of obscure, interesting fact that our listeners can use to impress people. We'll start with Ricky.

What do you got for us? So, fun fact, Corona, which is actually the best-selling non-domestic beer in the U.S. Was it I believe, was originally brewed to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Modelo, which is its parent company. Nice. they put the limes on there for sanitation reasons because i i love a lime in a mexican beer and all type of stuff but i heard that it was to you know keep flies away or the bottles hadn't been sterilized enough and the citrus would actually help i i heard that it was a sanitationary thing to begin with uh i i'm not so sure that's true i mean any uh sanitation is

pretty much at the core of any halfway reputable brewery, including Modelo or Corona, which is actually nowadays, it's actually owned by Anheuser-Busch. Well, I'm not saying Corona is such. I'm just saying Mexican beers historically all have the limes, and then they've just picked up and run with it. But maybe that was just a bit of mild racism I heard. And I know who told us that too. I won't say it right now. I'll say it afterwards. You've got a friend who told us that too. I won't say it right now.

I'll say it afterwards. You got a friend who told us? Yeah. Is it who I think it is? I don't know who you're thinking. Yeah, we know who it is. Yeah, we know who it is. Yeah, it was mild racism.

Sorry about that, everyone. I've heard it too. No, but like any brewery, I mean, if you don't have sanitized bottles, you're going to get sour Corona essentially or sour Modelo. So it's not – you don't want that. So I think it might be some mild racism, but it tastes delicious. I'm a big fan. I was one of the first bars I ever walked into with a fake ID and I was like 16 or something like that. And I walked up and went, what will I have?

I'll have a couple of Coronas, please. Then it came and the guy had the lime in it. I'd never fucking had a Corona like this, right? And then I sort of didn't know whether I was meant to squeeze it in the top or put my thumb in. I was looking around and he goes, you know how to drink that, right? I go, yeah, of course. He goes, yeah, you've got to put it in and you put your thumb over

and then shake it two times, right? And I'm like, oh, okay. And I boop, boop in my face. And I'm 16 and I just sat there. Just drank this foamy half a beer. That's how I like it. I think he checked my ID afterwards and kicked me out.

So all I got was half a beer on my face and half a beer in my belly and fucking kicked out and they all got a laugh um i love that what do you got for us ryan yeah i i feel like uh big beer is like the most relatable and the most fun to talk about at a dinner table so a couple cool fun facts about anhyzer bush i couldn't really pick one uh they pasteurized their product before milk was pasteurized in America. That is fucking crazy. It was also the first to be moved by a rail car. Sick. Anheuser-Busch as a company employs more people than the entire craft beer segment of America. Last count, we as a small independent breweries were around 130,000 and they employ between

brewing distribution, you know, all that, 150,000 people. So they are still fucking massive. Not after that drug test I had to do. 149,000, I know they do. Because yeah, there's so much driving, forklifts, all that kind of stuff. And then the one that I think is really cool is everybody knows the game Root Beer Tapper,

but Anheuser-Busch had originally reached out to Bali Hotels when they were making arcade games to have a bartending simulator video game. So Root Beer Tapper was actually originally just called Tapper. It was a Budweiser game that they ended up repurposing and throwing out into arcades as Root Beer Tapper. So that's pretty fun. A game that a lot of kids play. A lot of basis in bartending. And even though all this shit is fun, I i mean this company is fucking atrocious uh they are actively trying to

squash us and every other brewery uh of of mine and ricky size so support your local brewery let's yeah no you support the smaller ones until they get too big and then crush them as well crush them too yeah to get them out of the way but that's it that's the thing like like the guinness book of records is made by guin, and it was to solve bar fights, right? Right. Bar arguments. Well, speaking of that. I reckon the person who could wear the most plates in their head

is probably a guy from Italy. They got flat heads over there. Well, speaking of that, go visit Ryan at the Everywhere Brewery in Orange, California. You can find information about them everywherebeer.com or on Instagram at everywherebeerco. And Ricky, check him out at the foreignexchangebrewing.com and on Instagram at foreignexchangebrewing.

Guys, thank you so much for being here. That was pretty awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. If you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and goes, hop, hop, hop, me lady, go, I don't know about that, and walk away. Me lady? You're not Australian. you