I Don't Know About That - Drag Queens

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

Jim knows a lot about drag queens, but not enough to impress our expert Joseph Shepherd ( @JosephAShepherd ). Jim's new special "High & Dry" is now available on Netflix! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2!

Morning, midday, nighttime, midnight. Is that the order? You might find out, but I don't know about that with Jim Jefferies. See, right now many of you are thinking, but that was the order. Or is it? Yeah, that's the trick. It depends. And it depends. Are you a shift worker? Time's a social construct. Yeah, what time are you waking up? Yeah, exactly. I decided to change my look up today.

I shaved my beard off because I was so upset by the last podcast looking like Forrest. I also want to wear my glasses, but I can't do it. I'll bring different glasses. No, because we have the same glasses. No, no, I have a different color. But then I thought, you know, I would really set this off. I got the Peaky Blinders hat, right? A bit more fun.

Okay. It's a lot more fun. He pulls it off. It looks good. What would you do? He does look like he would rob me in a dark alley. If there's a scene in Peaky Blinders and they go, introducing new character. The Australian. My name would rob me in a dark alley. If there's a scene in Peaky Blinders and they go, introducing new character.

The Australian. My name would be Aussie Dave or something who came over on a boat to come over. What's your storyline? Oh, I'm a razor blade maker. I picked up the accent real quick. You make razor blades? Yeah, I sell the razor blades to the Peaky Blinders.

They put in their hats, right? But it's sadly peaky blinders they're putting their hats right but it's sadly like season five they're already rich and everything so they won't need them but the younger blinders might do it i come in i'll bring um i have i have other reading glasses i can bring that's all right i don't mind looking that much like you i'm not that offended i'm just glad i didn't wear my shakira t-shirt things could have gone completely tits up um do you know what today is but now when the guest shows up don't mention the hat

I just want the person to think that this is my everyday hat okay yeah I think he'll buy it do you know what today is

my special came out yeah well also it's your birthday it's your birthday ah happy birthday it's my birthday

happy birthday we recorded this two weeks in advance okay so it's my birthday and so my special's out. So I'm either being abused online or no one's watched the fucking thing. Or beloved.

I would say both. Or a bit of love. A bit of love. A bit of me complaining that not enough people are watching it. It's like getting a text from a relative going, I saw your special. Yeah, me searching Netflix all day going,

why am I not on the front page? Just getting angry. Do you watch stand-up specials on your TV? I've watched mine just to see how they sort of turn. I feel like it should push you. But then they get upset. Like, it's about retention. So if someone watches five minutes of your special

and then turns it off, that's not good. You know what I mean? So it's like, if I start mine, because you always start it on your own thing, and then I leave the room, because I'm not going to watch the fucking thing. I've already watched the cut already i'm very happy with this special it's uh and i already like the comments that people are leaving me now oh i'm not gonna

listen to your leftist political shit anymore it's like i haven't fucking said a thing about politics on a special in like three specials now or something i think three including this one you are political but not left right political like just like just i don't say nature nothing this this special was written during covid this one's just about me fucking my wife and uh what else do i talk about oh losing me hair yeah fun stuff yeah talk about watching the bachelor. Yeah. Fun stuff. Yeah. Talk about watching The Bachelor. I was watching endless seasons of The Bachelor. I don't even know what else to talk about. I talk about hair loss a lot. I get into Jada Pinkett Smith.

So if you want to listen to that. Old school Jeff. Yeah. Old school riffing into a bald woman. Classic. Nick Savage. There's a story about seeing Elton John. Yeah, Elton John.

I talk about Elton John. I just saw Elton John again. I've seen this tour like three times now. And I only paid once, but people were going, do you want to come again? So when I was in Melbourne doing the game show, we went to see Elton John, and there was this guy called Molly Meldrum.

Now, Molly Meldrum was a bit like Australia's Jimmy Savile, but he wasn't a pedophile. He was a VJ, a bit of a weird guy. Cool. Wore a cowboy hat. And he's just always been on TV. He's just one of those blokes that you're told is famous your whole life. Right?

This is a famous person. And he used to do a show called Countdown, which was obviously the top 40, and he'd count down the tracks and talk in between. Anyway, he'd be 82 or something, but I think he's a bit of an alky. He's all but dead. He's right on the cusp of dead, right?

And he was friends with Elton, and they're both homosexual men. You know, they probably got up to a bit of fun together in the 80s because Elton toured Australia a lot and he always used to interview him. Maybe not. Maybe they're just work acquaintances and I'm reading too much into it.

But anyway, so Elton... Not every gay guy fucks every gay guy. So they came out and yeah. Most. But not every. 97%. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so anyway, so Elton sings The Bitch is Back.

I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch. And then Molly walks out, right? Molly walks out with two handlers who walk him out. He's so old, right? Oh, yeah. But he's not like, he's the same age as my dad, but he's way more frail. The booze and everything, he's just.

And he walked out and he sort of hunched over, he sort of waved and he gives, you know, Elton a kiss on the lips. Controversial. Anyway, so. He said he has the cowboy hat. Yeah, he has the cowboy hat. You can Google pictures.

He's jacked but old. You can Google pictures. Molly Meldrum, right? So anyway, so Molly gets out there, and then he's standing there, and he's trying to sing in the microphone, so it's like, Ellen's like,

I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch, and the bitch is back. And he's like, I'm the only one in America. Like, that was the level of singing, right? And then he thought... Was the place going crazy then? No, the place was going crazy. This is 50...

That's not what I was picturing at all. Yeah, well, I'm about to tell you what happened. So 50,000 was going crazy. This is 50... That's not what I was picturing at all. Yeah, well, I'm about to tell you what happened. So 50,000 people going crazy. Oh, Molly, Molly, Molly. Like this, right? So what do you do when you're old and you're uncancellable and you're like towards the end of your life? You drop your dacks.

So he dropped his pants and then he went, he mooned the crowd. No, not for me. I was in the fourth row. I saw his dick. I saw his dick very vividly. Very vividly. The camera saw his ass. And then his carers were like, fucking hell, Molly.

And even Elton was like, class to play subtle here. Looks like he has a device on his butt. No, no, that's a tattoo. That's a tattoo? He's old. It's all wrinkled. That looks like a device. His ass looks like it's melting tattoo. That's a tattoo? He's old. It's all wrinkled. That looks like a device. His ass looks like it's melting off.

Holy Lord. Anyway, so he's there with his ass hanging out. And then the audience is going crazy. And then Kara's like, that's enough, Molly. And then Elton's like, all right, Molly. And then Molly goes to walk off. It takes him more than half of a song to shuffle off. And he can't bend over because he's old.

So he's still just got his dick out. And he's just shuffling off the stage to ironically, I'm still standing. Which was the cherry on the whole thing. Anyway, the next day, the news, the Australian news was like this. Oh, there's been a terrible incident in Melbourne. Australian news was like this. Oh, there's been a terrible incident in Melbourne. And then Molly

Melvin reported a outfit, a wardrobe malfunction. Yeah, yeah. Wardrobe malfunction. His belt. He put it down. The only malfunction was he couldn't get it back up. Yeah. And that leads me to, I'll be in Vegas. I've just done Vegas. Where am I?

Go and see me around the UK. Ben Salem. I can never say it It's Bensalem There is a Bethlehem which you have performed in but this is Bensalem This is outside of Philadelphia I think that one's near Allentown I sang the song All the casinos are made out of old factories.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They look like old factories. The casino's meant to look decrepit. And then the first time we went there, I remember we were driving to another city and we pulled over and got honey. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, I remember.

And then we went and bought some roadside honey and there was just some lady or girl that had never heard an Australian accent. She goes, where are you from she was maybe about 15 she was parents had put her out there to sell the honey on the side of the road that was her after-school job we'll get some roadside honey and i went hello how are you oh my god it's razor blade dave she was floored this This woman had never seen Crocodile Dundee. She'd never.

That's awesome. Ben Sale in Pennsylvania, February 24th at the Parks Casino Excite Center. Then February 25th at Coliseum at Caesars Windsor in Windsor, Ontario, which is just over the border from Detroit. I believe both those gigs are sold out, but see if you can get tickets. Yeah, you can literally, if you're in Detroit, you can even go to Windsor. If you're in Windsor, you can go there too. We're landing in Detroit

and we're driving over. Yeah, and then after that you're in Glasgow and Manchester and so forth. Yeah, all the UK gigs are all but sold but we did add another one

in London, another one in Manchester. I think there's still some tickets in Nottingham and there's still a few tickets in just check but there's certain cities There's all some tickets in Nottingham, and there's still a few tickets in... Just check, but there's certain cities...

There's all sorts of places there. You're going to be there with... I'm going with two of the guys I started doing comedy with, two of the best comedians I've ever seen. That's awesome. Andrew Maxwell and Glenn Wall. At the time, I thought, that'll be awesome. The crowds are going to have a really good show with these two awesome comedians.

And then I was like, oh, man, they've just finished Edinburgh and I've just finished a special. I better pull my finger out, man. They're going to outshine me real quick. I better put some effort into this. So I'm writing feverishly the people of Britain. I'm coming. Sounds like an insult to me and Amos and J.J., but okay.

Yeah, okay. I'm just trying to. When I'm on their podcast, I mention you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Easy street. That's good. And then there's a bunch of dates in Europe, like all over Europe, except for France. Every country except for France, pretty much.

Yeah, but I had one person write to me like, why are you not playing Paris? I am famous French comedian. Like that. I was reading it like that. He didn't talk to me. It was an email. And no, I've never played Paris for some reason. They have their own comedians.

It's literally every country but France. Yeah. I mean, I've looked at the list. I was surprised you had like Portugal and Spain on the list. I'm doing Portugal. Spain. Every country. Poland.

I'm doing Iceland. Belgium. Finland. Yeah. Greece. it's all here it's all there no Andorra I've never done here and we were giving shit

to the people in Milan and I'd like to say hello Milan since I gave you shit you've stepped up to the plate 50% sold alright 50% sold

it's like look there's plenty there's plenty of other places that are completely sold and still one of the weakest sort of selling gigs but

I thought no one was coming to Milan and also theians if we wait and then we're happy and so and i've had a lot of italians like write to me like i'm super excited like that right yeah that's how i read it yeah that's how i read it just said very excited for your show yeah yeah very excited belgium netherlands it's like every country. And then on that leg of the tour, Amos and I will be with you. Yeah, yeah. And then you'll be in Las Vegas again, which I think, isn't that the World Series? Ba-dum-boom.

The World Series of poker. I'm going to do the World Series of poker. Yeah. And then I'm also in Vegas. And I've been asked to do sort of like an acting sort of job in that time, but I think I've done too much traveling. So I'm going to try to family up for the summer. See my kids.

That might be nice. Novel idea. Before you do that in June, you have Reno, Nevada. And on June 23rd and June 24th, you're in, it looks like Santa Rosa. Okay, we ready to do an actual thing? We've talked for a long time. Yeah. Check out our Patreon.

Patreon.com slash IDCat. And follow us on Instagram. IDCat Podcast. I don't think we have a merch site anymore. No merch. Fuck that. Alright. Please.

We're starting there, Jim. Yeah, I'm alright with that. Please welcome our guest, Joseph A. Shepard. G'day, Joseph. Now it's time to play Yes, No. Yes, No. Yes, No. Yes, No.

Judging a book by its cover. I just coughed up a bit of phlegm. I've had a cold. All right, Joseph, let me have a look at what you're doing here. Are we talking about drag queens? Yes. Yes uh all right joseph let me have a look at what you're doing here uh is it we talking about drag queens yes yes all right all right i i i know that i know the trophy from rupaul's drag race all day i'm a rupaul's i actually i haven't watched rupaul's drag race because my wife doesn't like it but my ex hanks mela kate who we all know you're friends with her i mean yeah yeah i know we're all we're all family're all family. But she was mad for it. So there was five years

that I watched every episode. And now I catch an episode every now and again on a plane. But I once was on a flight sitting next to Courtney Act. As a man. She was a man in this scenario. She was a man in this scenario. And I was like, oh, I'm your biggest fan. and then i was asking for photos with him and all that stuff and then there was like people coming down the aisle and it was like cute girls recognizing him and then ugly fat guys recognizing me it was just that's the line it was our fan base just walking past us just

and to all my ugly fat guys listening hey happy, happy to have you. Love you. Best fans in the world. Keep buying two seats. This is two episodes in a row that you guessed easy, but we did a pre-interview as we often do with our guests, and we saw this. We figured you would know this right away. Yeah, the little trophy thing in the background. We were like, yeah, you're going to get it.

Now, Joseph, I assume you're a drag queen? I am not a drag queen. I do, however, and have, however, interviewed drag queens for the past seven, eight years. And that's my main job. Yeah, I'm going to give you a proper introduction. Joseph A. Shepard went to Georgia State University where he studied journalism. He has worked on shows such as Rachel Ray, The View, and The Bachelor. That qualifies you right there.

Seven years ago, Joseph began interviewing drag queens, which led him to starting a popular sit down show on YouTube called exposed where he interviews famous drag queens. Now he's hosting sissy that talk show, which is a late night meets chaos meets drag queen series. And you can find that on the YouTube on YouTube, on the YouTube, on YouTube on it's the mom podcasts network.

Correct. That's correct. You're on. And it's called sissy that talk show, correct? That's the network you're on. And it's called Sissy That Talk Show. So check that out. Like Sissy That Walk. I know all the terms, man. Look, let's do the tea.

Any other background you want to give us? I'm like, I mean. I'm glad I wore this hat and had a mustache just for this episode. I feel like a drag queen connoisseur right now. Okay. You want to just dive into it then? Yeah, man. Well, if Joseph wants to say something about it.

Yeah, I was saying, Joseph, if there's any other background you want to give us, or is that, I mean... No, I think that that's pretty much it. I mean, I'm very historically in the know of everything, and I try to make sure to always stay up to date in all of my current drag terminology, so I'm ready

I do want to hear my drag names I got drag names yes let's go you want to start sandy bollocks oh you're dragging yeah these are ones that I would have sandy bollocks because that's cuz Sandra Bullock likes to be called sandy and you meet her yeah sandy bollocks yeah very good And then another one Is like Estee Lauder But it's Estee D My second name is D Estee D Alright Didn't you have a new one The other day

Yeah I can't repeat that one I'll do that one For you off the air It's a race You won that one It could get me cancelled Okay Can't wait

Off the air Alright Alright It's really bad I won't even do it in this room where there's microphones we have to walk out to that space it's it's fully like one sentence cancelable okay um all right joseph i'm gonna ask jim a series of questions about drag and uh and at the end of him answering all those questions you're gonna grade him

on his accuracy of his answers, zero through 10, 10 being the best. Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on et cetera.

We're going to add those scores together. If you score 21 through 30, Jim, Shantae, you stay. Yeah. 11 through 20. Sashay away?

No, that's zero through 10. Sashay away. What do you think 11 through 20 is? If you can't love yourself who else is gonna love that that was that was up right but 11th or 20th shot shana we aren't quite sure so don't go anywhere just yet uh where's lip sync for my life no that's this is the middle one i'm just gonna have you sorry but we can we can lip sync for your life

do you want to do that at the end of the show. Okay, great. You pick a song. All right. What is drag? Drag is, what's the best way to say it? Because it's not like trans. It's men dressed as women for comical or beauty pageant, just for fun, really. For fun and entertainment, more importantly. What are the origins of female impersonation oh um it would go back a very long way this there'd be pharaohs that were like bring out

the guy in the wig you know what i mean because like because because you can go through you know in comedy it was monty python and all that type of stuff they were that's the funniest things they ever did was go hello what are you up to when they did that that was always fun that's a form of drag in its own right you know what i mean like more comical type of thing but what's its origins um oh and the entertainment i i would say there would have been some drag characters in chaplin movies who is julian and eltinge i think is how you say his name um i would say he's the founding father of the drag community he was the first person to have a drag queen bar when did drag make the make the transition into gay culture um oh i think it would have been fairly early on

but like what you mean into gay pop culture? I don't know. If you're saying like- Kelly wrote these questions. I think into pop culture, like when it wasn't just like drag show, because I grew up in Sydney, there was a load of drag shows and we, you know, Priscilla Quinn in the deserts, very rich history of drag in Australia. And so that's what, my father used to go to drag shows in the 60s in Australia. Your dad did? Yeah, yeah.

My dad's very open-minded about things like this. He loves hot women. He's homophobic, but he loves a gay entertainer. His favourite entertainers are Elton John and Peter Allen, right? He's down with the gays, right? But the things they do in their bedrooms. That's the thing he doesn't like, but he likes their entertainment very much. He's a closet queen, my dad.

So yeah, my dad was seeing drag shows in the 60s. What did the Genovese crime family slash the mafia have to do with drag? They would have had put on some wigs or something in some heist. Yeah. And people would have gone, that was good. Okay.

They pulled that off. And they were like, hey, bada bing, bada boom. Okay. I'm a mafioso. When did the Stonewall riots happen? What were they and where? Okay, the Stonewall riots. Stonewall was a nightclub in New York.

And what happened was the police went in there just sort of and just busted the place up and arrested a whole lot of people and sort of clubbed a few people you know when it was i i i think it was the late 70s and i'll go late 70s i'll go 19 was a significant so um well the the the gay community fought back and protested and fought for their rights. And was that the time where homosexuality stopped being illegal or something like that? I'm not up to date on these things. But we'll see. Maybe that was a turning point in gay revolution.

It was definitely a turning point in the gay revolution. Who is Marsha P. Johnson? Same answer as all of them. RuPaul. Okay. What is a drag mother oh a drag mother is like when you're a young drag queen and you come into the drag community because like you know when you're a comedian right you come into the comedy club and some older comedian comes up and goes this is what you're doing wrong right you got to stop doing that you got to move the microphone stand don't talk to the audience so much and have more faith in your material and all that type of stuff and i believe a drag mother comes along

because there would be loads of hacks in the in the drag community there'd be like the top echelons yeah i don't know is there no no there's you have your top echelons your uh trixie mattel's and you and you courtney axe and all this type of people and then you'd have these people who are just like you just got a crooked wig and you've and your eyeliner is all over the fucking joint. Yeah, there's hacks in every job. So when one of these young people show a bit of promise, the older drag queens will become the drag mother to that younger drag queen and take them under their wing and say,

this is how you tuck your penis between your legs so you can't be seen. Okay. What types of things are included in a drag performance? Lip syncing, dancing. You can be a fishy queen and do beauty contests. Yeah. But the main sort of stand-up comedy, dancing and lip syncing, is your meat and potatoes drag thing.

And then they'll do things like if you go down to Betty's Burg, what is it called? The one in- Hamburger. Hamburger Betty's. Hamburger Mary's. Hamburger Mary's. They do like drag bingo. They do other drag activities.

You know what I mean? Like where the drag queens will just, you know, drag doorman will kick you out if you, I don't know. But they do different things. But you meet Potato, singing, dancing, stand up comedy. Can women do drag? I believe they can, but i'm sure there's a portion of our society that say they can't and then it's the whole thing but i i i'm yet to see on rupal's

drag race and i'm probably i haven't yet to see a heterosexual do drag and obviously heterosexuals can do drag um but i believe a woman can do a form of drag yeah and then sometimes you'll see like there's one called Milk that I always found fascinating. And Milk would sometimes do drag where he would dress up as sort of an effeminate man or something. Or he would do like a woman with a beard. He'd do more avant-garde things like that.

And so that's also a thing as well. What helped bring drag to the mainstream as we know it today? I would say RuPaul helped bring it into the mainstream just way before RuPaul's Drag Race with like Supermodel mainstream as we know it today um i would say rupaul helped bring it into the mainstream just way before rupaul's drag race with like supermodel and um what's that other song she had that uh cover girl cover girl you gotta work it that's the name of it is yeah but i was like that was the 90s and i remember being a teenager going all right yeah she looks all right you know what i mean but i knew it was a man but i still remember being more comfortable after rupal as a teenager growing up

and you know yeah what is wigstock um wigstock would be uh like drag festival like woodstock but for drag uh performers divine a legend out of baltimore is known as the inspiration for what popular children's movie character? Do you know Divine? Yeah, I'm trying to, popular children. See, it might be homophobic if I say like Tinky Winky or something like that, because they thought Tinky Winky might be. Not like a Disney character. So think like classic Disney movies.

I think I know this one, but I don't know. Oh, I don't know. Okay. What were the Harlem drag balls? Cruella de Vil. Cruella de Vil, okay. That's what i don't know okay what were the harlem drag quarella deville quarella deville okay so i'm going for what were the harlem drag balls uh that would have been the first group of black drag queens who got together from harlem um look i might be racist and say well i'm just guessing this answer um the first group of black uh uh drag queens r RuPaul's Big Break was said to be in which music video? CoverGirl.

Okay. When did RuPaul's Drag Race premiere? I would say because it wasn't in high def and it was still box screen. I think I remember this because I remember when I was dating. I'm going to say 2004. Okay. How much money does an average drag queen spend on their signature look? Oh, five grand.

Five grand. Name as many drag queens as you can. Okay, so, oh, God. Not ones you make up. Yeah, it's been a while. All right, so let's start. Okay, so I've already said Milk. I've already said Trixie Mattel.

I've already said Courtney Act. RuPaul, what's her name? The bunny, what's her name, who was RuPaul's best friend back in New York in the day. That doesn't count. That's how he's count. Who was, who's that? The one, the big black girl and she sang like, when she was pregnant, what was her name?

We met someone at that bar in Minneapolis. Oh, no, I've, look. We met someone from RuPaul's Drag Race. If I had half an hour to sit and think about this. Okay, that's fine. Well, it's not. I have a Trixie Mattel story. Yeah, well, we can get to that, but let's get through these.

Well, Joseph might like it. Yeah, we'll get to it, but let's get through the questions first. We were at Lisa Vanderpump's birthday. Like, you don't get much draggier than that. We'll get to it for sure. What is this quiz? Is Jim taking this quiz? Yeah, Jim can take a quiz to see which.

But how does this quiz work? Click on it. I did click on it. Now just read the question, give him those four answers. This question right here? Yeah. Should I do it now? Yeah.

Okay. Here's a quiz. Which challenge are you most excited for? Snatch game, design challenge, musical, or lip sync performances? I'm snatch game because I'm a comedian, and it's the same as the match game, and you get to do that. Oh, I thought you said big penis like that. I clicked on that.

It's finally time for snatch game. What character are you choosing? Someone not a lot of people know. A new pop star would be the best option. A classic diva. A bold choice.

Maybe Michelle. Classic diva. I would do Liza Minnelli or something like that. Classic diva. I would do like, oh God, darling, what are we doing?

Oh, there's no bit. I'd do that. I'd do the whole thing. I'd be drunk the whole time and be propped up and all that type of stuff. The messy queen. That's what you got to do for the snatch game. Messy queen is your best option. Who laughs?

Who's your favorite judge? Michelle. She's so sassy. I love it. Ross Matthews. How could you not love his jokes? Rue. Is that even a question?

Santino Rice. Please bring him back. Okay. I have an issue with this um because i was an avid rupal's drag race i knew everything about it at the time and so we put out a few tweets back in the day where i requested to be a rupal's drag race but you're funnier than ross no i i met ross and i said can you put in a word for me he goes i think you'd be great like that right and so i was like oh you're taking his spot. No, no, no, because they always

have a person come in. They'll have like some girl off Modern Family or something like that. And I had a friend working there who was trying to fight for you too.

My friend's husband's the director. Yeah, yeah. Your friend's husband's director. You're never going to be a judge. You had a friend

working there. Our show was on the same studio lot as RuPaul's Drag Race. They could have just broken glass and I would have come out like, I'm a judge.

And the heterophobic. I'm throwing it out there. Who's your favorite judge? Michelle Visage. Because she keeps it real and she sort of says all the things. Choose a song to lip sync to. 9 to 5 by Dolly Parton. I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor.

Teenage Dream by Katy Perry. Truth Hurts by Lizzo. Oh, 9 to 5, Dolly Parton, I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor, Teenage Dream by Katy Perry, Truth Hurts by Lizzo. Nine to five, Dolly Parton. I'm an old classic queen. Which runway theme are you most excited for? Pretty in pink, neon queen realness, hats incredible, or flower power? Hats incredible. Yeah, not to, well, no.

No, but after what I paid for that wig, I don't want to wear a hat. Pretty in pink, neon queen realness, hats incredible, good one. Pretty in pink, neon queen realness, hat's incredible, flower power. Neon pink. Neon queen realness. Okay. Lastly, what's your favorite runway song? Cover Girl, Snapshot, Sissy That Walk, category is? Sissy That Walk, man.

Okay. And Trixie Mattel. Yeah, Trixie Mattel. Trixie Mattel. Ooh, honey. You got Trixie Mattel. You're a comedy queen at heart, and you know how to make the others laugh, just like Trixie Mattel. You're Trixie Mattel. You're Trixie Mattel. Ooh, honey. You got Trixie Mattel. You're a comedy queen at heart, and you know how to make the others laugh, just like Trixie. You're also extremely musically talented.

Congrats. Bianca Del Rio. Bianca Del Rio is probably the most successful stand-up comic drag queen. Yeah, she tours. All right, Joseph. She's your tour manager? Yeah, she tour tours, Bianca Del Rio. Joseph, how did Jim do on his knowledge of drag?

Zero through ten, ten being the best. I would say he did a solid six. Six, all right, really good. I'm all right. All right, how are you doing confidence? I think my history was bad. Yeah, I think your history was bad too, but your enthusiasm was great.

I'm going to give you a nine. Nine. That's 15. I'll tell you what, I bet you there's a great. I'm going to give you a nine. Ooh. That's 15. I'll tell you what, I bet you there's a lot of drag queen whose their history was no better than mine. Yeah. I'm going to let you stay. I'm going to give you 10.

I'll let you stay. Remember, I didn't know anything about stand-up comedy either. Yeah. All right, Joseph, what is drag? Jim said men dress as women for comic or beauty, pageant, fun, and entertainment. Is that close? That is close.

So basically, drag as we know it now is an over heightened version of um the female um or a male if it's a uh woman doing a drag king but basically it kind of formed there's two theories nobody knows where the word drag came from but the two theories are basically that back in the late 1800s men when they would dress up for plays and stuff they would have like a long petticoat and it would drag to the ground so they called it their drags and the other one is dressed resembling as a girl so d-r-a-g kind of like an acronym hey did everyone this is funny in the in the car ride it's not funny but in the car ride Over today There's a politician

Who's trying to Ban drag shows In one of the states There's a lot of them Yeah Yeah yeah Kansas City is a Yeah yeah

And then there's like You can't have a drag show Within 500 meters Of a school It's like a new mandate For the For the right wing Yeah

Get the fuck out of here What are you worried about crazy they think that's the problem yeah um wait did you say drag kings i'm not even familiar with drag kings is that a huge community um yeah drag kings are just women who are dressing as males um so that is the drag queen drag king um format and then also there's female impersonators so um a lot of times if somebody's using the term female impersonator they are just trying to be the closest version to a female when they are performing whereas a drag queen is over accentuating it might be you know bigger crazy makeup like

tricksy like you see um but that's kind of like the two differentiations between a female impersonator and then a drag queen. Yeah. Is there like, so in that community, if what a drag queen versus Sharon Nadals is another one, uh, what a drag queen versus Alaska female impersonator, would they be at odds sometimes? Like if they were in the same competition, like a competition or something like that, or cause I not necessarily um because they

do have competitions just strictly like you know for female impersonators kind of like a miss continental or something which is more um in that reign but no no there's not necessarily i um i guess you would say a rivalry but i will say that either or either a drag queen or a female impersonator can get offended if you use the incorrect terminology. Yeah, because I'm not going to brag. I was Miami's ultimate comedian one year. Whoa. It was this casino.

It was a size competition. Yeah. This casino, Miami's Magic City Casino, they had the ultimate Miami everything. They had my ultimate Miami comedian, bartender, band, singer, and so forth. And they had a drag queen competition and um the person that won they there was controversy they said and they I think they were they were saying that she was a female impersonator and not a drag queen because

that and that was I remember there was some controversy there in that one but I don't know so so with the drag kings if I see like a woman who's dressed in men's clothing, am I allowed to say you're a drag king? I feel like that's a landmine wanting to go off, right? I don't get in trouble there. I don't know. Because men's clothes are so boring. It's just like a suit with a thing.

That could just be a woman wearing a suit, where if you're wearing a dress, you know, a dress is a dress, man. It's probably the same rule as pregnant women. You don't say congratulations. If you guys look up Landon Sider, Landon Sider is a really good example of what a drag king is um and she kind of paints all out in very oh yeah extreme way you look at landon yeah i mean that's i'll tell you what's going on with landon like uh they're super talented oh that's a girl just yeah that's

definitely who you're not gonna be like are you as a guy, is it? Yeah, that's definitely. You're not going to be like, are you wearing a suit? Yeah, but she's going for that guy who sings with Queen now type of a look. Adam Lambert? Yeah, going for Adam Lambert. No, but it is. That's the thing. Yeah, but you're not going to mistake.

But there's effort put in there. It's not just they throw on a suit. Look, I might be the laziest drag queen in the world. Drag king. I'm just like, yeah, she's just a chick who wears hats and hasn't done her upper lip

and she's big into T-shirts. Yeah. Sandy Bollocks. What are the origins of female impersonation? Jim says it goes back a very long time to maybe the Pharaohs.

Yeah, it could have been a bit of Pharaohs. Female impersonation, yeah, it kind of went back. The earliest kind of recorded was around the 13th century, and that was kind of like the first actually recorded things, but it more so was men dressing up as women for plays, like Shakespeare plays and stuff, and that was kind of how that was until the late 1800s,

early 1900s. And then it kind of started switching because then they started allowing women to act in plays and act and, you know, have more roles. And the men then started doing drag as a more heightened version and a more comedic version in order to differentiate themselves from the women. with the panda mimes in the uk was that a big thing for it oh you're talking about like the panto yeah yeah panto dames and everything yeah okay so you don't know what that is right okay so in britain they have these things called pantos you mentioned short for panda mimes and everyone does them every single town hall in every single village

will have a panda mime for the whole month of December, right? And then, like, there'll be things like Jack and the Beanstalk or Seven Dwarfs. And if you can get real dwarfs, then you've got, like, that's a high end. And all the people, all the actors are like someone who was off Home and Away or Neighbours or Hollyoaks or Coronation Street, EastEnders, just so they've made so much money off the Pantos in December that sort of substituted their wages.

But they have this thing in there called Pantomind Dames, which are sort of big burly blokes dressed in dresses. They come like this and go, Oh, look, the king looks rather fetching. Like that, right? That's the whole thing. And then they might go, Where is that little rat?

And they'll go, It's behind you. The audience has to yell out, It's behind you. And then they turn around and they go, It's not whole thing. And then they might go, where is that little rat? And they'll go, it's behind you. The audience has to yell out, it's behind you. And then they turn around and they go, it's not behind me. It's a whole thing. Sounds like Dora the Explorer. Oh, it's shit. It's shit.

And the British people fucking love it. It's like an idiosyncrasy of the Brits. They fucking love Panama. Anyway. Who is, I'm saying his name right who is julie julian eltinge jim said yes you got it right the drag community um julian was basically an actor in the early 1900s and one of his big part in a lot of the films that he did was dressing as a woman and it did become extremely popular he became literally the most

paid actor um during that time frame and he also had like he was so big he had his own magazine he had his own like facial cream um but the movie studios needed him every time that he was outside of the studio his male persona had to be as masculine as possible. So they wanted to make sure that there was a clear, distinct differentiation between him on screen as a woman and then him outside of the screen. So if they always wanted him to take boxing classes, he also always wanted to be photographed with a cigar. Was that so, like homosexuality would have been illegal back then? Was that the reason that they were just covering their ass legally by going look how much are we use

i i think it was kind of like a combo it was the first time that there had technically been um somebody in main media as a male to a female and then i think also it was you know it was illegal it was not the right thing at the right time either yeah wasn't he was like paid more than charlie chaplin at the time right yes yeah so you were in that you were in the right that's the thing man and women want pie equality look how well they did back in the diamond um when did drag make the transition into gay culture jim said maybe the 60s um yeah i mean you pretty much it was the 60s when things started coming around um that's kind of when we get into stonewall and all of that um you can talk

about that but i would say i was wrong with 70s right i was a decade out okay we can jump around yeah yes oh yeah you're totally fine yeah so stonewall um happened in 69 so um kind of like in the 50s 60s i would say would be the time when it kind of became more in the gay mainstream in um america yeah and then stonewall um we can talk about that that was you know it was the nightclub in new york and police went like what happened there and like what was the significance of that yeah so basically you you had asked the mafia question before oh yeah should we ask that i'm sorry yeah yeah is that in the right order yeah you're fine no so it kind of like all relates so basically the mafia um owned a lot of gay bars and a lot

of bars within new york and the new york scene and what would happen is they would kind of play their clientele to have gay people there and when they would get the gay people in their bars they would basically kind of like be like we know this about you now we can tell the police you are a high profile person um you need to keep paying us and keep coming to this bar as a customer or we are going to tell the police so it more so was they were working with the police as well and paying the police off. So they wouldn't have raids and have things happening,

but then they were telling their gay clientele that they needed to pay them in order to keep their identity safe. So the mafia kind of played hand in hand with, with the gay bars during the sixties. So the police ended up raiding in 69 Stonewall they did it one night and they came through and what they did is they did a little small raid and then a week later they were going to do the big raid that didn't end up closing down stonewall so when that big raid happened it's when all of the gay patrons and the drag queens and everybody started fighting back because back then you couldn't even dress as a girl.

And if you were caught dressed as another gender, it was known as masquerading. And if you were masquerading as the other gender, then you could be arrested. So a lot of the drag queens and stuff during that were put into the cars to be arrested. And then things started getting a little bit violent and, you know

cans and things were thrown they always say that there was a first brick thrown at stonewall but nobody knows who technically threw the first brick um yeah wow um who is probably a man they're pretty heavy bricks yeah who is marsha p johnson not rupaul that's uh yeah uh marsha b johnson was um the one who she was known as throwing the first block at stonewall however she has she went on later to say that she never actually threw the first brick she came a little bit later once the um riot was happening but she was a transgender woman of color who was amazing in starting with um a lot of different organizations to bring gay liberation to the front she also ended up seeing a documentary it was known as she was known as the mayor of christopher street which is you know

a gay uh street in um new york and unfortunately um in the early 90s they found her body in the in a river and it was said that it was suicide however years and years later people are starting to believe that she was killed by somebody wow you you You watch too many documentaries, Jim, because you've seen a documentary on her and just didn't remember. I don't remember the name. Yeah, I know, but you watch a lot of documentaries. I watch every documentary that comes out. You can't retain all the information. You just jogged his memory. You're like, wait a second.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Down by the river. Alright. And so it never was solved or they just left it as a... No, they didn't want to investigate it. Yeah, yeah, sure. What is a drag mother? Jim says when And so it never was solved or they just left it as a... No, they didn't want to investigate it. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. What is a drag mother? Drag mother, Jim says, when a young drag queen comes into the community

and someone older comes along and takes you under their wing kind of thing. The way you described it. Very good job, Jim. You got that to a T. Thank you. Under the wing. Did it. What types of things are included in drag performances?

Lip sync, dance, fishy queen beauty contests, comedy, and drag bingo. Yeah, drag bingo. What's drag bingo? Also did a very good job of that. I will tell you, though, that we can no longer use the word fishy. What? What's this world come to? So basically, fishy is what you refer to as when a drag queen is extremely feminine and they're looking like a woman.

However, for a woman who is not, for a, I guess you would say like, for a naturally born woman to say something as fishy is offensive. Because their vaginas smell like stinky so but how did the guys know that that was that was our information right we shouldn't have told you all right so what do you say now um yeah so so he did everything right there um it's a lot of mega mixes if it's a at a normal um bar then it will be a normally like two numbers that they perform uh dancing high kicks splits kicks gymnastics all of that and then of course you have your comedy queens who might come out with sets you have your fashion queens who might just be more walking through and you know more of a stop and stare type song and then you

have your brunches and your bingos and stuff. Wait, what's bingo, though? It's bingo. You know bingo. It's bingo. Oh, okay. It's bingo, but every letter has, like, a different thing you can say. So, like, when it's 069, you're like, you have, like, a phrase you say after it.

So, you might be like, oh, yeah. Like, you know, you kind of, like, the drag queen is more involved in the numbers. They did call it tranny bingo up until recently. I not trying to call them out but that's the truth okay that is right am i wrong i don't know i just found out about i'm just saying why i i i look i know you can't say that word anymore but i'm i'm still upset about fishy yeah i just found out about that just fishy is a new thing for me i've been saying fishy on the regular what was that restaurant we went to in orlando We went to a restaurant. Remember me, you, and Nick?

Oh, there was just a restaurant that was open until 11 where all the waitresses were drag queens. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't a good restaurant. It was in Orlando. I thought it was good. They had like a bean casserole. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Florida boy. Love me a bean casserole. Can women do drag? Yes. Yes. Women can do drag. so there's two different forms you can have like we just talked about drag kings also in a recent uk season um there was a queen on named victoria scone and she is cisgender um and she identifies as a lesbian but she dresses as an over heightened version of the female so she is still dressing

in drag but it's the over heightened version so yeah totally and okay so that what's the show god because the I'll get to that later when we get to another question what helped bring drag to the mainstream as we know today?

Just as RuPaul back in the 90s. Yeah, I will say RuPaul was a big force. I also think that a lot of the movies back in the 70s, 80s and 90s were also very beneficial, like a Miss Doubtfire, a Tootsie. When you had Marilyn Monroe and some like it hot, those were kind of introducing the to Wong Fu, A male as a female and it kind of added to acceptance

but RuPaul was the one who kind of like pushed it over the top. Me, Forrest and Jack recently in the last six months or so sat down and watched To Wong Fu

Thanks for Everything Julie Newmark. Yeah. Out of nowhere we decided to watch that film. I've never seen it before. What it was it was piggybacking

on the back of Priscilla Queen of the Desert and the American It was around Birdcage too, right? Yeah. I know it was before. Yeah, I think it was maybe it was piggybacking on the back of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. It was around Birdcage, too, right? Yeah. I know it was before. Yeah, I think it was after. Or maybe before Birdcage.

But it was after Priscilla. The Americans went, oh, we'll give it a crack. And they misfired on that one. It wasn't good. Wait, let me see. I screenshotted the notes the sheriff was writing down. Oh, yeah, the sheriff wrote down notes of where to find homosexuals. And it was like, flower shop.

That's right, that's right. Yeah, it was very... Who played the and it was like flower shop. That's right. Who played the sheriff, too? It was Sean Penn's brother. The guy who danced on Footloose. Places for homos. This is a quote from the movie. This is the list. Flower shops, ballet schools, flight attendants, lounges,

restaurants for brunch, and then the last one, it's looking like it's about to be like antique shop or something antique shops yeah that's where you find them and he was trying to find

homosexuals in the town so he went to all the flower shops and antique stores and he's just writing it on a clipboard on the hood of his car yeah that movie was terrible

Priscilla Queen of the Desert very good film it was kind of like Three Amigos is what they were doing well anyways a little bit oh look

RuPaul comes out at the end of 2-1-4, thanks for everything, in a Confederation flag dress, and that's an iconic picture. Yeah, that's true. A black woman dressed in a Confederate, like it was taking the piss from all angles on that last little scene.

What is wig stock? Is that a drag festival? It is. You are very close. Yeah, so basically in the 80 80s there was a group of drag queens um with lady bunny um who you also know um and they were at the pyramid club which was a popular club in new york during the time it was a gay club and uh they got extremely drunk and they wanted to put on a drag show in the local park. So they went to the park.

They kind of put on a drag show. They saw that people were actually interested. And then continually, year after year, they kind of like amped it up, made it more. And then they ended up advertising it more. But then Rudy Giuliani kind of got involved in this whole thing and didn't want any drag queens performing in parks. So they tried to ban it. And it was a whole whole big thing and i think it was a couple of years ago they redid like an anniversary and they came back out and they did a whole documentary with neil patrick harris as well now how do you find out you're good at drag does it start like you're

at home because i found out i was good at comedy because my friends laughed at me and my family laughed at me and then i thought i could make other people laugh and you expand it like that so so there must be one party where you go i'm gonna wear a wig and a bit of makeup and see how this goes and then you expand it like okay another question could i being me walk into a drag bar right now and go i want it i want to give it a go and i'm going to take it very seriously. Would they let me? Yeah, I think that depending on where you go, I honestly think that they would. Someone said sign down.

I think we can still see you, but that's just happened on the screen. If we can get rid of that off the screen. So what would I have to do? Is there open mic nights? Yes, they have a lot of amateur nights they have nights a lot of the queens that have been on rupaul's drag race have said in interviews that i've done that they went to like a local night a monday through thursday night and they just went up to whoever the queen was and was like hey i'm really interested in drag would you mind being my drag

mother and then that's how they started forming their drag career. Who's the one that does this all the time? One second. Aaron, is that you? Who's got that thing on the screen that says signed up? Oh, there we go. Okay. Who does that one that I used to like?

She was more of a dance one. She used to go like this. She used to click in the mirror. She used to click her tongue. What's that one? Oh, Alyssa Edwards. Alyssa Edwards. I always liked Alyssa Edwards. Bit of fun, Alyssa. She's great. in the mirror she's the click of tongue what's that one oh alissa edwards alissa edwards i always like alissa edwards bit of fun alissa um she's great divine a legend out of baltimore is known

as inspiration for what popular children's movie character is it cruella deville it is ursula in the little mermaid so i thought yeah there you go i'll tell you who was official queen The little mermaid Yeah Divine was also in Hairspray She was in a lot of John Waters movies So she was Edna in Hairspray I sat next to John Waters When I was on the Bill Maher show It's the only time I've met John Waters And you were there

And so John Waters was sitting there with his little thin mustache And like very poised He came with jokes And then I told And so John Walters was sitting there with his little thin mustache and very poised. He came with jokes. He came with jokes. He had some good jokes. And then I told Piers Morgan to fuck off, and I gave him the finger, and all hell broke loose. It was live television, right, in the studio.

And I remember John Walters just went, okay, settle down, boys. He thought that I was being too outrageous Do you remember Do you remember what he did At the after party He gave me some Anal bleach Yeah yeah What

He gave me He gave me a tube Of anal bleach Well Bill Maher was there And he was like Trying to kind of like Calm it Like alright

Let's calm everything down And John Waters Was just coming to say Like goodbye Thanks for having me On the show And he handed like A packet to you

And Bill Maher And he's like Here's some anal bleach guys just like because like pierce morgan was over the other side of the room and he wasn't talking to me and bill maher gets out of his suit and he looks like an old rocker like he's wearing like a denim shirt with neck he's dressed like jack you know and and then like uh and like uh bill ma bill maher was a bit like i don't think you should have given him the finger. And I'm really worried about... They used it as their fucking advert for that week. They did publicity shots of it all over the place.

But anyway, and Bill's been very nice to me. But then John Walters came up and gave me some anal bleach. So, appreciate it. Did you ever use it? Solid day. I don't know where it is. It's in a box somewhere. It's ready to go.

How long does that stuff last? I don't know, but, you know, John Waters. I wouldn't put it in your asshole. Well, yeah, for me, I have opened hemorrhoids. You don't want to put it in there. I'll get bleach poisoning. Yeah. I've already dyed it red.

That went a long way, the thing. And then we went to the Elton John thing, and the guy recognized you. Oh, yeah. I was sitting next to Forrest, I was all drunk and I was like, and I pushed him. I was like, fuck off, Forrest. No, no, no. You sat down first.

We went to an Elton John concert together. You were going to bring a woman. Yeah. That didn't work out. Yeah. So he brought me instead. Yeah. We went to Vegas with DJ Qualls.

Yeah. He was off buying art or something. Yeah. And then me and you went to Elton John concert. DJ's a famous something. Yeah. And then me and you went to Elton John concert. DJ's a famous homosexual. Yeah. He didn't want to go to Elton John. We went. Yeah. And then we went there and then we sat between two couples.

Yeah. Two other guys. Yeah. And you sat down and you just spilled someone's beer. I spilled a whole pint on a guy's lap. You hit them with a leg and you spilled a whole pint of beer in his lap. And he was like. I was very drunk. Yeah drunk yeah i know i was embarrassingly drunk and um i think they thought we were a couple and he was so pissed at you and he and then he was like what the fuck and you're like i'm really sorry i'll buy another beer and he was so pissed and then he just looked

up and he goes hey are you getting that told pierce morgan to fuck off and he goes oh let me buy you a beer You just spilled a beer on him Yeah I went from I went from spilling a beer To buying a bike a beer To getting a beer Yeah

And then That quick And then you hit me on the chest Really hard And the way out You went Pop pop pop And you go

Stay right here honey And then the couple next to me The two guys next to me The couple next to me said You left And they asked me if I was okay Yeah They thought Forrest was in an abusive relationship. Yeah, I was like, I'm fine.

But I tell you what, also that Piers Morgan thing, second date with my wife. My wife was umming and ahhing about me. We'd been on a date and I was good enough for a second date. And then I told my wife, I said, I gave Piers Morgan the finger. She goes, that was you. That was the moment she fell in love with me. So thank you, Pierce.

Thank you, Pierce. You fucking piece of shit. What were the Harlem drag balls? Was it the first group of black drag queens? In a group? Not just the first individual one. Yeah, that's what I meant. Very, I will say that you're close in a a way um

so basically the first drag queen um who like identified as a drag queen was back in the late 80s early 90s and it was a former slave um their name was william dorsey and the late 80s and 90s late 80s and 90s was a former slave. Late 1800s. Oh, yes. Early 1900s. Oh, yes. That is my fault. I'm up to date now.

Me too. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, wow. I hope we don't do an episode on slavery. I'm going to get everything wrong. So he was technically the first person to self-identify as a queen of drag. And he started getting people together that were also former slaves and they would dress up and that kind of became known as balls.

And he named everybody that came to that as the house of Swan after his last name. And that's kind of how, how houses became, um, a thing. And then the Harlem drag balls ended up happening shortly after that and that was just a communal place where um people could come together and they could be who they are as drag queens or as themselves and they started becoming extremely popular that a lot of straight individuals would go to them like very high up individuals to be able to see the shows but the cops of course did not like it and it started becoming illegal and it was deemed as like immoral um so that

happened and then they became kind of there was kind of like a revival of the drag balls in the 80s um 70s 80s and 90s and with the drag balls did they ever like get like a bucket and you thought there was water in it but it actually turned out to be confetti? No, no one's seen the Harlem drag? I've never heard of that. The Harlem Globetrotters. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to do a reference.

Do they ever go to tuck their balls back and go boop, and then it's over the shoulder and they're back again? That was the FX show, I'm just remembering right now. That was, right? Isn't that one that Chromical?

Kids loved it. What was the show on HBO? Is it still on right now? You love that show, The Chronicle, that? What was the show on HBO? Is it still on right now? You love that show, the runway show? Yeah, what the fuck's it called? I can't think of it. Which one? It's like, they have the house of, the house of, the house of dragon.

Oh, legendary. Legendary, thank you. Is that show still on, legendary? Cause it was on a couple seasons. No, it got canceled with HBO's cancelling of the 90 million shows that they said that they were going to do. Well, I watched it. Forrest was a huge fan of that. Like, really

sold me on watching it. Like, went into a whole diatribe of like, this is amazing. First of all, the guy is named Deshaun Wesley. He's not the host, but he was the MC. But he was so good. That guy, follow that guy on Instagram. He is so good at just his rap, whatever rap, chant, skill, whatever.

Amazing. But now I didn't know that's where the house, when you just explained that, the house of comes from. That's interesting. So that was my question. On that first season of Legendary, there was a house. I don't remember what their house was, but it was all female. There was an all-female troupe that was a house, I don't remember what their house was, but it was all female. There was an all female troupe that was like the house.

And they didn't eliminate them until like two or three episodes in. And I felt, so my thing was like, was that why, I just felt like historically, especially talking to you now, like I thought that that might, I know they're going to be inclusive of that in the show, but it just seemed like historically that wasn't probably a thing where it was this whole female troupe. And I think they weren't going to eliminate them for a show

because they were like, well, we're not going to eliminate this all-female troupe for a show. But I felt like it was kind of cheating. No, no, no. I can see where you would think that. Yeah. That's my take. It's legendary.

Hot take. So do you reckon the Harlem ball draggers, do you reckon they ever did like tricks? Harlem drag balls. I've run out of tricks anyway. RuPaul's Big Break was said to be in which music video?

Was it Cover Girl? Cover Girl, supermodel of the world. Yeah. Well, wasn't she also in Love Shack? Oh,

yes, she was. Yeah, but that wasn't a break. She was an extra in Love Shack. Yeah, but I think

that's the first video she was ever in. So that was like. I remember having a schoolyard debate because when Love Shack came out, I was about 13. And I remember going, I think the lead singer's gay, right? And then my friend was like, no way. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure. I didn't know she was in the Love Shack video.

It was a big debate. Was it RuPaul? Okay. I think that's the first time we saw her. I'm going to have to watch. Okay. When did RuPaul's Drag Race premiere? Was it 2004?

It was 2009. Not in my heart. I'll get that. In my heart, I was already feeling it in 2004. Yeah, you knew it was coming. There was an emptiness where I was like, something's going to fill this. It took five years.

How much money does an average drag queen spend on their signature look? Okay. Jim says $5,000. It depends. So there are some girls that are extremely good in making their own outfits. So we recently had Raja O'Hara on Drag Race, and I believe she made her whole package of looks for $600. And she made them all herself,

and they looked like designer fabulous outfits. However, a lot of times when girls get on the show, they're spending $60,000, $70,000, $80,000, $100,000 on their outfits. Where are they getting the money? And a lot of them have taking out debts and loans, and they kind of like go into debt afterwards. But I would say, yeah, a couple of thousand dollars, probably $3,000 to $5,000.

Yeah. Because we had a tour bus driver who was driving us around, and his other job was he was driving the tour bus of the RuPaul's Drag Race road show. Also AEG. It was the same. Yeah, we had the same tour manager, the same thing. So the bus driver used to do the bus because I heard all about Alaska and Sharon Needles.

They went getting along and then Alaska slept with someone and then something happened over here. I'd heard all the tea, man. I fucking heard all. But then I said I was a big fan of the show and I said like my girlfriend was a big fan of the show and they all signed a poster for me and it's still Kate has that framed

in her house oh really yeah yeah yeah we got a soul sign tour poster from the RuPaul drag race you named some drag queens

you said Trixie Mattel you had a story about Trixie Mattel you wanted to tell I've thought about I'm going to tell you off the air man because Lise is my friend it was a private thing that happened with her but i helped you out by stopping it

yeah you did because now because now in reflection i'm like nah i shouldn't do that because me mate forest is a hero vanderpump's me mate man okay but it's a story about me and tricks you sitting in jesus now there's a name that's going to cancel you that you're not going to say oh no i'm telling you that i'm not telling joseph though yeah though that's amongst just us yeah yeah i know but then this the lisa vanderpoel no but me and trixie are both friends with the pump man you know you know trixie through lisa i only met trixie at lisa's 60 somethingth birthday and i sat next to trixie at the thing but then but then our friend justin martindale is also friends with trixie i've got a lot of i've got a lot of ins with Trixie.

But I sat next to Trixie's husband and chatted to him for most of the time. Yeah. I think people think it's – I don't think it kind of bends people's mind that you're friends with Lisa Vanderpump. People think because me and Lisa Vanderpump – we're besties, man. We call each other all the time. People think because me and Lisa Vanderpump are friends, that weirds people out more than anything.

But you know what? We get a kick out of each other. We like each other. I find her to be a funny lady and she thinks I'm a bit of a rough. Are you a Lisa Vanderpump fan, Joseph? I am. Who isn't?

We got fucking, we got pump right down the street. I mean. I dine in pump. Tom Tom pump. I dine in pump with the dog sitting on me lap, mate. I sit there with Lisa with a dog. People come. I will tell you with the dog sitting on me lap, mate. I sit there with Lisa, with a dog.

People can't, I will tell you a story. There was this guy, so I just had, I was sitting there with Lisa in the middle of Pump and there was a guy, I had an NBC sitcom that got sort of killed off by COVID. We were six days out from filming and it was a multicam called Jefferies and we had it all cast and Anthony LaPaglia

was playing my dad and all this type of stuff. Betsy Brandt. And Betsy Brandt lapaglia was playing my dad and all this type of stuff betsy brant and betsy brant from breaking bad was playing my ex kate and you know we had it all ready to go it was a really fun thing anyway we fucking it gets cancelled but it gets it gets delayed delayed delayed and all this type of stuff and then the new management at nbc and my show gets cancelled but it was they built they'd built the sets, right? So I'm a little sore about it, you know, as you would be. And so I'm sitting there and there was this guy and he came up with his husband and I was sitting there with Lisa and he worked for NBC

and he thought, what I'll do is I'll go up and I'll say hello to Jim and then I can talk to Lisa, right? This NBC executive or whatever, right? It's something to do with contracts. And he walked up and he said, hello, Lisa. She goes, hey, Jim, I'm from NBC. We haven't met before, but I just want to say what a huge fan we are of you and how happy we are to have you in the NBC family.

And I went, you canceled my show fucking three months ago, mate. And he went, went oh did we and then he goes anyway Lisa it's such a pleasure to meet you and then she goes

when are you going to finish the fucking contract on my dog show that guy slithered away from the table okay it was great to meet you all bye

I made a bad choice yeah yeah yeah he walked into a hurricane he did what's her restaurant in Vegas that we went to with his van to pump It's great to meet you all. Bye. I made a bad choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He walked into a hurricane. He did. What's her restaurant in Vegas that we went to? Well, there's Vanderpump. The one we went to.

There's the one in the Paris, and then there's the one in Caesars. That one. My mom loves the Caesars. No, the one in Paris. The one in Paris is beautiful. They're both beautiful. We went and visited. We just got to walk in there and hang out.

Everybody was outside, like, taking pictures, and we were, like, just in there. That was, like, one of the most famous i've ever felt at one point well i was just like a scumbag you're like we're gonna go see at least like all right i just like we just flowed into vegas i just like waddled over there and then there was all these people lined out in front like just peering in there i'm just sitting there with a next to ken with a drink i was like you didn't know it was gonna be like all these. The last time you weren't there, the last time it was, so me and my wife, we had the baby with us, and we had Hank. No, we had Hank with us as well. So we had a baby, we had Hank, and we had Kate.

So I had my ex with me. I had my whole tribe, right? And we walk into, Lisa invited us over to the restaurant, and then she's like, oh, the silly people at the Paris one let children into the bar like this, right? And I go, well, I'm not going to give the kids drinks. Surely we can get a booth at the back and no one will know. And she goes, no, no, we can't.

So this is the compromise we did. There's a little front bit with like sort of lattice with like roses growing over it. And so we made the children sit on the casino floor. Yeah, safe. With a smoke. On the children sit on the casino floor. Yeah, safe. With a smoke. On the other side of the lattice and me and Lisa sat on the other side,

like in the bar on this side. Wow. It was the least discreet anyone famous has ever fucking looked. There was just people, there was just 20 people just taking photos with their cameras over their heads like this and we're just trying to have a chat and it was just me, Lisa and a 10 year old well um now is the part of our show called dinner party facts

where we ask our expert to give us a fact something obscure interesting that our audience can use to impress people about this topic do you have something for us joseph the thing that i have is that a lot of people i guess it's it's a lot of people say um when queens fall to the ground and they put their leg behind them that it's a death drop it is not a death drop it's actually called a dip oh really yeah well but why can't it be called a death drop? You will offend a lot of people. It feels, because it doesn't make a sound. No, because basically it was known as a dip and it was brought about in ballroom culture.

And then it kind of was like white people took a hold of it and then changed the whole name of it and then made it seem like it was their thing. So it's known as a dip. Whenever I see that, my knees and my legs, I'm like, I can't. Yeah, I like that you think it's your knees stopping you. I'm like, yeah, when I was a younger man, I would have death dropped or dipped as it is.

I wouldn't upset anyone. I think it's incredible. Any of the moves that are being done in the ballroom. Just walking in heels you couldn't do. Walking in heels, that's you done. I couldn't do any of this stuff. Some of the stuff I've seen, especially on the show Legendary, some of the stuff I saw, I was just like, nah, I can't do any of that.

Well, thanks for being on the show, brother. I appreciate it. Thank you. Real quick, Joseph's show is called Sissy That Talk Show, and it's on YouTube, on the Mom Podcast Network. Please check that out. And I didn't promote your IG or do anything like that. Yeah, it's all at Joseph A. Shepard on everything,

TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, all of it. And it's Shepard with an E, so it's S-H-E-P-H-E-R-D. Correct. There you go. And we'll have all that information so you can see it printed up too. But thank you for being on the podcast. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for being on the show, man.

That was a good laugh. If you ever had a party and someone comes up to you and goes, hey, do you want to see a death drop? Go, I don't know about that. Walk away. Good night, Australia.