I Don't Know About That - Food History

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

Jim actually does know a lot about food, but maybe not it's history. Our expert Kae Lani Palmisano (@kaelanisays) helped us out! Jim's new special "High & Dry" is now available on Netflix! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! ADS: SHIPSTATION: Go to ShipStation.com and use code JIM today and sign up for your FREE 60-day trial. BETTERHELP: Visit www.betterhelp.com/IDK today to get 10% off your first month.

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H-E-L-P Dot com Slash IDK Milan France Do these words go together? Only if you're saying that Milan's not in France. Well, you won't find out anything because I've already told you.

Good morning, America. How are you all going? Right now, I'm on a flight to Milan with Forrest. He's in the plane. Amos is in another plane. Amos is in another plane. Forrest is in the plane like this going, I ordered the pasta.

I should have waited until I got there. It wasn't very good. I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm either excited because I got upgraded and winning or I'm in the back like. Yeah, no. And I'm coming back and visiting you like an asshole. You want a dinner roll? I'm in the thing visiting you like an asshole you want a dinner roll

I'm in the thing right between the flatbeds whatever that other section is it's like economy plus yeah it's good it's alright it's not bad

I'll be okay it's a bit wider you get to you get to lay in a different way not a flatbed it's not a flatbed but you get to

it's like you're falling asleep in front of your TV yeah yeah you just keep going are we there yet oh no even though this might sound a it's like you're falling asleep in front of your TV. Yeah, you just keep going. Are we there yet? Oh, no. Even though, this might sound a bit,

when you're in business class and they give you a flatbed, they go, you have a lovely sleep, and then you land. Under any other circumstances, it would still be a horrible sleep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you're in a bed that occasionally does this. Well, not only that, it's not a mattress. It's like sleeping on a chair in a hospital yeah yeah yeah you're sleeping on basically the size of a surfboard yeah and then it goes up and down and you've got a belt around you that's always a bit of fun no the thing that's

good is the space though oh no no i'm not complaining no no no it's it's wonderful place to travel but it's like if you know look it's look, it's hard on both ends of the plane, people. And then whenever you wake up from those long flights, the planes always, you know, when you're getting off, the planes look like it was just a bomb went off. When you have that sleeping tablet, you get off and you're like. I was hearing a story about a friend of mine who had a sleeping tablet, like knocked themselves out like this, right?

Completely knocked themselves out. And then the plane just stayed on the runway for hours and then it had to get everyone off and she had to be carried off. She was so passed out. We've got like a dead body here who's just fucking... How's Milan doing? They came through They come through

There's still tickets If you want to go to Milan There's still tickets But a lot of Europe's sold out We got There's one day Because I do like an hour and a half on stage And then you and I must do 15 each

And so it's like a two hour show You know You're talking about Poland? Well Poland Two shows And Helsinki Finland I don't see two shows for helsinki there's one of them there's on your website well there's one there's two in helsinki there's two what's for the day before poland berlin no day after i'm sorry the prague is day before

then you have two shows in warsaw poland same day and then helsinki's the day after helsinki's got two shows already sold out so they don't have to be listed helsinki's got a matinee man we're doing a three o'clock show i'm gonna do farmers i'm gonna do six hours of stand-up in 24 hours yeah that'll be me most concentrated like i'm gonna do the sets pretty much the same because otherwise i'll be doing callbacks to jokes I haven't done. Good news is you do have a day off after Helsinki. I'm looking forward to it, man. Wear me like a dog, man. I'm on the road.

And we've also added onto the tour, if the good people of Dubai were coming to see you. After that, Israel, baby. Backward. Israel's on the 16th. Doesn't matter what day. Israel's May 16th. You can go to jimjeffries.com

check everything israel's the day before on may 16th and then dubai at the dubai opera house may 17th and then back to belgium nice jaunt over there also we've just listed all the north american gigs for when we get back from europe and there's like thunder bay had to add a show london terrio you're about to have a show added there's a whole lot of canadian dates where we've had to add extra shows you're under bay that sounds cool i've been i've got a thunder bay story oh i'm gonna thunder bay story so thunder bay is like this you know smallish sort of city slash town in canada and i i i might have had drugs on me i might have i was definitely drunk but i was pissing up against the wall I was that level of drunk and we were walking along

through Thunder Bay to go to this this after party right and this fucking cop car rocks up woo

with the lights right on me I got me bloody bare ass half cracked like I'm pissing up against the wall

please turn around I was still urinating right so turn around turn around so now I've got me dick out I've got me hands in the air and I'm pissing up against the wall. Please turn around. I was still urinating, right? So turn around, turn around. So now I've got my dick out. I've got my hands in the air and I'm like, I'm done. I'm in so much trouble right now, right? And I think I might have had things on.

Like I was not, it was not good, right? And the guy has his flashlight out and there's another black pisser next to me. He was like the sound guy at the show. And I think Tommy Campbell was there. And they go over like this and they he pans over and then he's like hey you guys are in a lot of trouble and then it pans to my face he's like oh man i wanted to come to the show but they made me work today like that right and i'm like he's like he's like big

fan jim i'm like can i put my dick away and he goes oh yeah yeah yeah put your dick away. And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, put your dick away, man. Right? And so I took photos with him. Then he drove us to the party. There was about six of us. We all got in there. We're all, like, piled on top of each other. And then we showed up with the sirens, woo, up to the party. And everyone else, when we got there, flushed their drugs. Does everyone always ask you, hey, when you come in your city here's the north america

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that last time? No, you never played there. You're always at the Paramount Theater in Austin. And then last time we were at the college. That's when I got COVID from that guy that came up in my face. But Austin City Limits is I mean Jack knows about it

it's a very famous very famous music venue I've been to Nutbush City Limits so Jim Jeffries dot com go to that

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and then you can go to foreshaw.net I want to plug. Okay, go. I've just been on the road with me two mates, Glenn Wool, Andrew Maxwell. They've just started a podcast called Idgits of the World. I'm on that one.

Idgits? Yeah, like Irish people say. Oh, like idiots? Yeah, idgits. Idgits. Yeah. And I just did their podcast in a hotel room with them. And they're very funny men.

And go subscribe to them. All right. And then IDCAT podcast on Instagram and our Patreon. Patreon.com slash IDCAT. Yeah, I never remember it. I just let you say it.

It's super simple. It's so hard to remember. Yeah. How could you? We also have a podcast. Do you have a podcast? Yeah. The Unsolicited Podcast.

Yeah. Last time I put them on mine and then you go, we have one too. I was like, all right, fine. It's not a competition. I was just fucking kidding. The Merman podcast listen to it merman podcast

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G'day Kehlani. Now it's time to play Yes No. Yes No. Yes No. Yes No. Judging a book by its cover. Alright either really out of tune or really in tune I don't know, but in your head I sounded brilliant Alright, Kaylani

I'm going to say it's got something to do with pop culture Because your background, you have bits and pieces You have breakfast cereals You have Godzillas, you have little TVs You have Mario stuff Is. You have Godzillas. You have little TVs. You have Mario stuff. Is it about pop culture? Kind of, sort of. Is it Mario?

Are we doing Mario? No. No? Something you really like. Oh, I would be Luigi. I've always been a Luigi. It's a pretty broad topic. Oh, I like pretty broads.

I'm like Sinatra from the 50s. Hey, some pretty broad just came in here. This is arguably, as a broad topic, it is... Okay, I'll just tell you this. We're talking about the history of something, and the topic is arguably one of your favorite things i think it'd be up there yeah yeah is it the is it is it the beatles very broad very broad uh comic books that's one of your favorite things no i like comic books though no but i think this is i've had a discussion

this is superheroes and i think you might like this better than sex. Not that sex is your favorite thing. Ooh, I like it better than sex. I think we've had discussions about it. It's not my wife. Yeah. No, I'm joking. What's one of your favorite things about traveling?

Oh, airplane food and all the jokes that it gives me. That's it. Favorite thing about traveling? You don't like views, that's for sure. Oh, I. Favorite thing about traveling? You don't like views, that's for sure. Oh, I don't like a view. You don't like views? Views are wasted on me. He only likes seeing a view if it comes within him,

in front of him. Views are wasted on me. I like accidental views when I look out and go, that's a nice sun. Yeah, yeah. That's a nice moon. Like I can do that. Don't take you to a view.

But if you give me a hotel room and they go like this, they go, oh, the room with the view is being ready. So it'll be ready in and out. I go, just give me the one that looks at the dumpsters in the alleyway. I would like to be in my room because I'm going to close the curtains anyway. And I'm not going to open them up till I leave. Fair point. I'm like Elvis, man. I'm like, block the light shit out.

And you're not like a post a picture on Instagram type of guy. Look at the sunset. Let's focus. Okay. So it's not views. I don't like views. Something to do with traveling. When you travel, this is your favorite part of traveling?

Probably. Something that you're going to do. We're going to do it in Europe. Sight seeing. It does sound weird. Food. Oh, food. I love food.

I didn't think food could be a topic. I thought food was individual items. When was food originated? Who was the first person to eat? No, I said history, so it's going to be fun food history. I love food. You like fun? I like food

food is now because now look i used to like to eat when i was drunk but now i like to eat when i'm high and it's really i don't even really enjoy being high i just enjoy the food whilst it's all part and parcel okay so k lani pomosano is the emmy award-winning host of why's Check Please Philly, a television show that explores dining throughout the Philadelphia region. She is also the host and writer of PBS Foods Delistory. Delistory? Yeah, Delistory. Yeah, it's Delistory. You got it.

A digital series on the history of food. As a food and travel writer, Kaylani enjoys following the journey food takes to get to the plate her work has appeared in usa today the philadelphia inquirer food and wine and more you can find her on instagram and twitter at k lani says that's k-a-e-l-a-n-i says and tiktok as well right because that's where i found you oh yeah sorry yep yeah tiktok as well k lani says on all the platforms That's where the Chinese government will find us. I'm not going to believe anything. How did you get to be into food?

Like, well, talking about food and the history of food, that's a weird question. Have you always eaten? Have I always eaten? It's just when I started traveling and I was trying to find my niche as a travel writer and a travel storyteller, I really connected deeply with food, and food was a way for me to connect to other people,

to have a deeper understanding of people's traditions and their histories. And every dish that you encounter always has a really interesting story about who made it, where it came from, and the people who carry on that tradition today okay the food that built america is the only program i pay for that's not in a streaming yeah i was gonna say you love a food they only they only have it on amazon and then it eventually gets released to hulu but i pay the 24 to see it first but it annoys me i just watched a whole episode on pop tarts and pop tart technology we don't have any episode on pop tarts and pop tart technology we don't have any questions on pop tarts yeah they were called country squares to begin with

ripped them off and put holes in it so they wouldn't break apart and the people at post were making country squares and they were like but they invented the pop tart ripped off by callogs um kaylani i i just watched do you watch Someone Feed Phil the Phil Rosenthal show on Netflix oh that's a fantastic show yeah I love that show

have you watched that I watched that it's one of my favorite shows just because his eyes are so expressive when he eats he's like oh he's like a child

yeah yeah he's like a child being given it's like when I give my one year old chocolate yeah and then he just goes what

I tried to feed my one year old ice cream the other day and he was looking on the spoon like, no. And I'm like, man, you got to put your tongue on it before you, yeah, okay, you're missing out. Well, he did an episode in Philadelphia and I'm going to be there July 9th, July 9th at the Punchline, everybody. Oh, nice.

And there was a restaurant that they went to. They had the little bird dumplings and curry stuff. I can't remember the name of it. Yes, Kalea. Yeah. Is that as good as they say on there? She just opened up her new location up in Fishtown, and it's even more outstanding.

She has done an incredible job bringing her specific traditional Thai cuisine to Philadelphia and maintaining that heritage and those stories and yeah knock Santana Ron is a wonderful person she's a good friend of mine too what was her name again sorry oh her her name is she goes by knock I think her full name is Chuta tip Santana Ron like it's a tough name. I hope I'm doing her justice. Her name's Knock, and she does bird dumplings up in Fishtown.

This is a Dr. Seuss book, bud. They're bright blue with a butterfly, P, T. That sounds like someone's making things up. They're very beautiful. Very ornate. No, they look like birds, the dumplings. The way she makes them and pinches them, it looks like a little bird. I'm not done. Mott 32 is my best dumplings.

That was the best ones I've had. I've got some opinions on Philly cheesesteaks that isn't a popular thing to say. Uh-oh. No, no. Have your opinions. They'll be wrong, but have them. They're not better in Philadelphia. Philadelphia just has them, and the rest of the world can make them.

It's a very simple recipe. Plus, they did not invent better in Philadelphia. Philadelphia just has them, and the rest of the world can make them. It's a very simple recipe. Plus, they did not invent them, Philadelphia. Anyone who's had steak, cheese, and bread, and onions and peppers in their house has accidentally made that recipe all by themselves. The cheese whiz is garbage. It's American shit. And then also for a cheesesteak, just putting a couple of slices of provolone, it gets lost in all the meat.

You need like four times that much cheese. is in the title i'm very passionate about this uh i like donkey's cheesesteaks i think is a good one i love donkeys as well that's actually close to my place yeah donkeys is all right they use a kaiser roll yeah people would argue that if it's not on the torpedo it is not a traditional cheesesteak. But he really flips your expectations. You know another place that does a wonderful cheesesteak? A little restaurant I call Jersey Mike's. And Jersey Mike's fill it off your cheesesteaks.

Second to none. The chicken one. Because they won't balk at your Jersey Mike's when you go put four times the amount of cheese on. They'll just go, we're Jersey Mike's. I can't take them seriously because they call it subs don't they we're hoagies this is hoagie country hoagie haven hoagie haven i love hoagie haven all right let's get to the questions i've answered all of them no i think you got a 10 out of 10 already i'm gonna ask jim a series i don't know

everything about food man this is fun i don't, confidence, give me 10 right away. Fun food history. Give him a pre-10. Write it down, toots. That's how confident I am. You're so confident he's misogynist. I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about fun food history. Food history, but fun food history. And then when he's done answering them,

okay, Lonnie, you're going to grade them 0 through 10. 10 is the best, most accurate. Kelly's going to grade them a confidence. I'm going them, okay Lonnie, you're going to grade them 0 through 10. 10 is the best, most accurate. Kelly's going to grade them a confidence. I'm going to grade them etc. We're going to add them together. And do we make categories? Because I was too tired to make them. Dives, diners, drive-ins. Diners, drive-ins, and dives. Wow, way to present them. Dives, 0 through 10.

You're not supposed to read it out loud. We haven't done a podcast together in four weeks. Put it with 30 din pretty diners okay you're a diner uh what is the swiss cheese mafia jim the swiss cheese mafia yeah uh that yeah the way you said it was a swiss cheese mafia the swiss cheese mafia they will be a group of people who uh they're a bit snobby about the famage, and they get together and they try to keep,

oh, no, they try to keep the Swiss cheese in Switzerland. Okay, and what about a cheese cartel? Do you know anything about the cheese cartel? Are we doing all cheese? No, no, we're going to switch. I don't know about the cheese cartel. We got another cheese question before we move on. How many pounds of cheese is the US stockpiling?

For rations, in case China invades. Why and how much are they stockpiling? They're keeping it to stop the Chinese government, which incidentally have been spying with hot air balloons, so you know they're serious. They're using balloon technology. They're not fucking around. Yeah, look out. How many pounds of cheese are they stockpiling? They're not fucking around. Yeah, look out. How many pounds of cheese are they stockpiling?

Ah, many, many, many. I would say 4,000 pounds. No, more than that. 400,000 pounds. That's a lot more. The domestication of bananas brought what change that made bananas more appealing? Made them bendy. They were straight before?

Yeah, they were straight before. They were straight. They them bendy. They were straight before? Yeah, they were straight before. They were called sticks. They'd probably change the color to make them a bit more yellow. The yellowfication. All coffee beans start out as what? Small coffee sperm in their dad's sack. All coffee beans start out as what? Small coffee sperm in their dad's sack. What are you talking about? Before they're beans, they're something else.

What do they start off as? Coffee beans? Yeah. Oh, cocaine plants. How many flavor compounds does coffee have? This is like so broad. I thought you were going to say, what's the best restaurant? And I was going to argue with you. How many flavors?

I do know through watching. I feel his confidence dropping. Through watching the Food that Built America, I did find out that when coffee is roasted, because they did the Starbucks Dunkin' Donuts thing, when coffee is roasted, because they did the Starbucks Dunkin' Donuts thing, when coffee is roasted, it actually hits its premium flavor between 25 and 30 days after it's roasted. Any time before that or after that can get too bitter or what have you.

So I hope that answers your question. What was the question? It was how many flavor compounds does coffee have? Four, okay. Maybe you know this one. What are Hydrox cookies? See, if you grew up in the United States, you'd know this. Oh, you don't know about this?

Hydrox cookies. Or I would say they have Poppin' Rocks in them. Okay. What does celery have to do with the Titanic? Confidence. Confidence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does celery have to do With the Titanic

Yeah yeah Well Because the Titanic Hit an iceberg Which also has Very low calories Celery Celery

If you eat it You burn off more calories Than you are actually ingesting Similar to that of ice That might have been One of your most creative answers ever um what is quote geographical indication as it relates to food geographical indication is uh is where something is grown and where it's manufactured hey if it grows together

it goes together got it so if you if you. So if you have something like you're eating pineapple, you're going to want to have some other tropical shit in there as well, like mango and stuff like that, because it grows together and it goes together. Who is credited with inventing nachos, and what is the story behind the creation of nachos? It would be a Mexican boat because they're Mexican food. Maybe. Or it's going to be George Bell.

I don't know the answers. I know what Hydrox is so far. That's it, yeah. What would have happened is there would have been a guy who had corn chips, right? And then he had the dips. He had the queso, right?

Well, the next question. Okay, just tell me who it is and then the next question you can ask. Do you have a or no jose nacho and how did nachos become a popular food item in the united states and around the world fat people okay what is a quote butt of wine b-u-t-t a butt of wine yeah um that's the residue at the bottom of wine. Okay. What was the connection between Hershey bars and the military? That was back in the days you didn't like your military, I guess, because you would have given them Hershey bars as rations. You don't like the Hershey.

Hershey's is shit. In saying that, I have tickets to come and see me in Hershey, Pennsylvania. I'll be shitting on your product the whole time. I'll be up there talking to all you factory Hershey workers, and I'll be getting into you because you've sold your soul. Terrible chocolate. Okay, so that's the connection? We don't like the military? Yeah, well, no.

Back in the day, they would have given it to the military in their rations bank, similar to how they gave them spam or whatever. There would have been a block of Hershey's in there and then they would have noticed that all the British and Australian troops were getting laid because they were giving women their cabris, and they were like, ah, we give our soldiers Hershey

so they can focus on the war and not on sex. Okay. How did lobster become popularized as a food, obviously? I know it was like a peasant food, and they used to give it to people in prison and stuff like that because they're bottom dwellers, you know, that type of stuff. But I reckon lobster, Thermidor, lobster. Some prison guard was like, hmm, this is pretty good.

Yeah, it used to be peasant food, but I think it would have been something to do up in Maine. There would have been someone in Nova Scotia. There would have been some Canadian. You ever been in Nova Scotia and all the Canadians just talk like they're Irish? Ridiculous place. We've got some Canadian. You ever been in Nova Scotia and all the Canadians just talk like they're Irish? Ridiculous place. We've got some Canadian questions coming up.

Okay. In what year did Canadian maple syrup, wait, in what year did the Canadian maple syrup heist take place? The heist? 1927. Okay. 1927. Do you know anything about how many barrels of maple syrup were stolen in the heist and

what was their estimated value? It was a whole train load of them. There was barrels and barrels. Probably a thousand barrels and they stole them in a barrel of pure maple syrup. I bought a jar that was this big the other day. $20 from the airport. Yeah. Um, man. Rich. So how much value do you think? I got maple syrup money to burn, man.

I would say, yes, man. It was a $2 million heist. And what unusual item did the thieves use to disguise their stolen- In today's money. Okay. And what unusual item did the thieves use to disguise their stolen barrels of maple syrup in an attempt to evade detection by authorities? They put moose pelts over the top.

Okay. Or they just wrote on the side of the barrel, Tim Hortons. And then they're like, oh, that's an important coffee thing you do in there. Make sure that gets to its destination. Okay, here's a question I actually want to know the answer to because I did wonder about this.

Maybe I thought my taste had changed. No one would know any of these questions. Why do Brussels sprouts taste better today than they did before? Because I do agree with this. I didn't used to think Brussels sprouts were good, and now I think they're good. I got my mouth washed out with soap when I was five for saying Brussels sprouts suck. I think they used to taste a bit more bitter, didn't they? Yeah, that's what I thought too.

A bit more bitter, and they've taken out the bitterness. Bitter extraction. Bitter-free Brussels sprouts. All right, a few more questions here. There are six types of corn in the world. Which is the oldest? Candy. Okay.

No, no. I'll say maize. Maize. Okay. That might be a good answer. When did people start popping corn? Oh, popcorn. I'll answer your question with a question.

Do you know the buffalo wing? Do you know that the buffalo wing Do you know how you make that sauce? Yeah I do Yeah what is it? I just saw the documentary on that It's butter And Frank's Red Hot That's all it is

Yeah Frank's Red Hot Butter and Frank's Red Hot Who knew? And always that rips my ass to bits But I've had Frank's Red Hot by itself That's intolerant I feel like the butter with the Frank That rips my asshole to shit The but I've had Frank's Red Hot by itself. That's intolerant. I feel like the butter with the Frank, that rips my asshole to shit, the fucking buffalo sauce. When did people start popping corn?

1814. And corn was domesticated from what? What, an abusive relationship? What do you mean? It comes from something. Oh, corn. Another plant, I oh corn corn plant corn maize yeah okay a couple here's the last two questions from what continent did the sweet potato originate and when did it first arrive in polynesia you just went where did it originate from let's just

answer i'm gonna say it's uh it's it's from uh from okay so that would have been yams, which is similar to a thing. For Wakanda. Wakanda. There's only seven of them. You know, it's not Antarctica. Asia. Asia. What was the most popular ice cream flavor in Philadelphia during the colonial era?

Vanilla. Okay. All right, Kehlani, how did Jim do on his fun fact food that we asked him? I mean... These are tough questions. From a one to ten? Yeah. Did I get any right? Don't worry, none of us would have gotten

any of these right. I'll give you like a four for content, but bravado and eight. I didn't get eight. No, no, Kelly does confidence. You're not great at confidence. When I say confidence... Your bravado with some of the questions actually made me question my intelligence. I just want to be very clear on something. That's not your category.

When I said confidence and I said, you understand that, Toots? I was talking to Kelly, not you. I have a familiarity with Kelly to get away with that joke. He's allowed to degrade me. He would never do that to you. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's good to clarify that. Kelly grades on confidence.

You're just accuracy, Kehlani. Just accuracy. Honestly, I don't think you got, like, anything fully correct. There were things that were, like, maybe partially. You threw in a coffee fact that actually wasn't a question but is actually true. So you did that right. That's his trick, by the way.

He's always like, I know something here that you didn't ask. I know a lot about food, man. If I tell you that restaurant's good, you fucking go there. I'm telling you, I know shit. I've got friends who know nothing. I've got food friends. I trust Forrest for food. Me and Forrest are husky men.

We know about the food. When me and Forrest travel the world, we do some horrible things. There's restaurants and alleyways and stuff like that. We had a full dumpling meal in the Malaysian airport. Remember,

there was a din tai fung in the airport? Yeah. We just ate at 7.30 in the morning. We had a meal that you should have at 8 o'clock at night.

Yeah, it was the same thing. It was good though. Yeah, it was good. So negative one on accuracy, you're saying, Kaylani? I'll give you like two points.

Two points. How did you do on confidence? Well, I gave him a pre-10, but I'd have to switch confidence to about a six, but give you a 10 on deflections. Thanks. The deflections are pretty strong. I'm going to give you a 10 on setter, just hard questions. That way you're looking at it.

They're very hard. Why would people know these? Diner, yay. That's why we're very hard. Why would people know these? That's why we're going to learn about them. It's fun. If it was on the food that built America, I don't know, man. Alright, here we go. What is the Swiss Cheese Mafia? Is it a group of people who are a bit snobby about

their fromage? No, not necessarily. The Schweizer Käse Union, also known as the swiss cheese union it started out with good intentions during world war one the war really put a dent on switzerland's cheese exports so the union created ways to help stabilize cheese prices and part of this was to streamline cheese production so switzerland had had over 1000 kinds of traditional cheeses to streamline things. They told cheesemakers to make only seven.

So after the war, they wanted to go back and make other varieties, but the union wouldn't approve anything. So they became kind of aggressive and the approval from the union would make or break a cheesemaker. So not getting approval meant that it was going to be really hard to sell your cheese. But this caused a surplus of the cheese in Switzerland. So in the 30s, the Schweizer Käse Union started aggressively marketing fondue internationally as a traditional Swiss meal. And it wasn't actually really like a traditional meal.

The recipe actually conveniently called for these Swiss cheeses that they just so happened to have a surplus of. And in this aggressive marketing and in a lot of other aggressive tactics from the Schweizer Käse Union, they got the nickname, the Swiss Cheese Mafia, also known as the swiss cheese cartel um but they positioned fondue so well that it became extremely popular it actually became the national dish of switzerland even though at the time people weren't eating fondue they were eating similar dishes and they might only eat it once once or twice a year Fondue is a funny one. Occasionally, I get sucked in and go to a fondue restaurant.

Yeah, yeah. And it's like, all right. You can smell the oil. Do you have a favorite thing to dip into the cheese? More cheese. No, I dip all the things, and then they do the dessert, which is dipping strawberries into chocolate, you know. Well, they have the meat.

The one I like is they have the oil, too, and you cook the meat. I like a cheese raclette. You ever do that? I've got one of them at home. I don't know what a raclette is. Is that the one with the cheese, like, heated? Yeah, yeah. Put the cheese on a little plate and you heat it up

and then it comes off in one thing and you just put it onto bread or something like that. It's different. You buy a whole lot of different cheeses and melt them and stuff it on things. So I don't even like Swiss cheese. I like Swiss cheese. Okay.

Seems to be some holes in your story. Is the cheese cartel, that's the same as the Swiss? Yeah, it's the same. Over the course of 85 years, the organization got really corrupt. And they were getting money not just from the government, but they were also getting money from cheese exporters. And it just became an organization that had tons of power and money and they wielded it at cheese makers um kind of unapologetically and then by the 90s uh after a lot of people were like we want to make our other traditional cheeses there was yeah kind of not

like an uprising against the schweizer casey union but they did they did dissolve in the 90s how would they stop you from making the cheese you want to make? They wouldn't approve. Essentially, they wouldn't get the seal of approval for sale. So, like, cheesemakers, you really wanted to have that. Most of the drugs I like aren't FDA approved. Essentially, yeah. They were kind of bullish about it.

I see that as a benefit. How many pounds of cheese is the US stockp stockpiling jim says 400k and then why is it for rations in case china invades uh it is way more than 400k i laughed at 4000 when you originally said that but our cheese stockpile is approaching 1.5 billion pounds and is worth 3.4 billion dollars so again this is another world war uh cheese story where the government would actually send milk overseas to help feed the soldiers and stave off malnutrition so to meet the demands of war farmers pivoted they ditched their other crops and they really focused heavily on beef and milk production. So after the war, there we go. We have a surplus. We have way too much milk. And instead of producing

less milk, the government begins re-educating citizens of America to drink and eat more dairy. But there was still a surplus. So the government starts buying up the extra milk and they put it in school lunches. They give it to the military. They also send it overseas to aid other countries. But there was still a surplus. So by the 80s, Congress created a program called the Dairy Checkoff. And this was a fee that dairy farmers would pay into for the got milk ads, if you remember those. It also pays for an organization called the Dairy Management Incorporation, which is a marketing group that's overseen by the u.s department of agriculture and what this company does is that

it develops recipes to get more dairy into restaurant partners like pizza hut starbucks taco bell just to name a few that's why we have things like frappa latte chinos and like cheese stuff to everything yeah yeah exactly but why does cheese still cost money it should be just given to us that's a good question there's loads of it well yeah where is it is this american cheese is that a yellow stuff it is it is actually stored in a government cave and someone told me this recently it's like somewhere in the midwest near wisconsin probably that's where all the cheese is. The cheddar. All the cheddar. People in near Indiana or something.

But it's just like underground, like trucks drive into it. It's a really insane looking facility. I hope it's clean. Why doesn't the cheese go off? I don't know. Where does what now? Why doesn't cheese go stale? If I leave it in my fridge for too long, I get a bit of miles.

Actually, if you have a wheel of cheese that is completely sealed and kept at the right temperatures, it can last, I think it's like 10 to 20 years. I have to check that fact, but it can last a really long time. I feel like we'd have a bit of cheese. Like, do they rotate the stockpile? Because I feel like there'd be some stuff right in that corner. There's some cheese that goes out, but there's more that, you know, know as the milk when all that milk doesn't get bought up it gets turned into cheese and the cheese is what's stored in the cheese case yeah that is a i remember now that everything you were saying about milk just makes me think about how much they push milk on you as a kid

like you had milk with your school lunch that was like you got to drink milk you have to if you want to be tall and strong like even cats they say cats cats drink. Cats aren't supposed to drink milk. Yeah. But every image you see of a cat is drinking milk. It's like bad for them to drink milk. Like they're lactose intolerant. I'm pretty sure they're. But all right.

The domestication of bananas brought what change that made bananas more appealing? Jim said change them and make them more yellow. Wild bananas. If you've ever seen them, They're chocked full of seeds And like gigantic ones Like if you're the kind of person that has that Trypophobia The fear of patterns of holes

Like a wild banana might trip that off My wife has that Yeah I looked at a picture it did not look appealing at all Well you gotta get rid of seeds It's like I used to eat watermelon with seeds in it And then they genetically engineered them out And I can't go back and someone bought me a fucking watermelon with seeds and i felt like what the fuck are we doing yeah like we fix this would you like to show your banana jim hates bananas i don't like bananas no i don't like bananas yeah is it bothering you

just talking about them no no i've gotten a lot better since i have children who eat bananas so i have to have them in the house. But I kept myself locked away. I think about how you say it because the peel is very arrogant. The peel's an arrogant. Anytime I peel a banana, I look at it and I just think, oh, this is arrogant, this peel. It's always dumped and it's flopping around.

That makes no sense. I'll tell you a non-arrogant pill. Cuties. A little mandarin. You just put that in the center console of your car. No problem. What? Yeah, because you can peel it off in one piece. No, I know that.

Why leave it in the middle of your car? That's because that's the spot for the peels. While you're driving, you can put it in there. It's no hassle. You throw a banana in there that would fucking yeah it would slime onto you all coffee beans start out as what um i don't think it's small coffee sperm in their dad's sack but maybe all coffee beans start off as coffee beans think about think about a coffee plant if you've ever seen like those photos at coffee shops of the coffee, you know, coffee fields. What's growing?

They're berries. Well, they're not berries. Like they're fruit. But I think it's called like a coffee cherry specifically. Oh, they have a little bit of stuff around. Oh, okay. So a fruit. Yeah, I know that.

I know that the bean is in the middle. The bean is the seed? Yeah. Yeah, the bean is the seed. I don't know. Yeah, I know they're like little red type of deep burgundy sort of looking things. There you go. And then you roast them.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. You'd be like, look at you, you fruit. Roasting them. Oh, I get it. I was like, what? Roasting the roast. How many flavor compounds does coffee have?

I don't even know what that means. So flavor compounds are the molecular compounds that are expressed through triggering our olfactory and taste sensations. So to give you that definition, coffee has 850 flavor compounds, making it a more complex drink than wine wow wow i just i just had a friend here from another country and they said every coffee that they drank was terrible she's australian yeah okay so australians are very proud of their coffee yeah and my wife who's a big coffee person she like uh okay so people don't like American coffee when they come over here it's like Starbucks tried to infiltrate

Australia and we sent them packing you don't like our chocolate you don't like our coffee what do we have that's good and the bread you don't like anything we do In-N-Out burger is very good and I'll tell you best lobster in the world your watermelon's elite well done all right

but what so is the is the coffee worse in the united states or is that just i don't know what do you think kaylin are you a coffee person goodness i mean i do appreciate australia's pension for the amount of coffee beverages i i'm particular to a flat white yeah but I think it's um it all depends and this is what Jim was saying that if you roast if you have a freshly roasted coffee you have more of a chance of trying like tasting more of those flavor notes you likely wouldn't even have to add sugar or milk to it to help with the bitterness because as coffee gets stale, it becomes more bitter. And that's why people like adding sugar and cream to their coffees. And I don't know, I feel like if you can track down a good

coffee roaster, like if you have a really good coffee shop that roasts their own beans, I think that's a better experience than than other places but i don't know sometimes i have a penchant for just straight up diner coffee like i want it sitting on the burner for a few hours like out of a thick i feel like that's something that's that's gone the way of the dodo that so every movie they always have that that jug they just sort of hey i'll top up your coffee yeah they have that in diners. Yeah, but I feel like not as much now. I feel like they make it. You don't go to a lot of diners. They still have it. I don't know. The other

day I was at a diner with our friend Orlando and his wife, and I was having an omelette, and I had a little bit of coffee to wake up, and she just came by, poured it without me asking, and then got coffee on my omelette too, and then just kept walking. Yeah, but what if all food's made by accident, right? What if you go, oh, the coffee omelette. It was not good. I if that all foods made by accident right what if you

go oh the coffee omelette it was not good i had a mushroom flavored coffee flavored i had i had a big fight i had not a big fight but i had an argument with uh andrew maxwell who who i was just gigging with in the uk friend of mine irish comedian and uh they have in northern ireland they potato crisps, chips, right? What do you call them? French fries? No, crisps. Chips, chips.

Chips, yeah. So they have two companies called Taitos. Oh, Taitos. That's the Irish company. Taitos. One's from Northern Ireland, right, called Taitos. Yeah. And one's from Southern Ireland, like Ireland Island,

and also called called Tatos, but they both have a mascot called Mr. Tato. Oh, they're different? They're different companies? Google the two Mr. Tatos and they're like... This is what the war's about

because we know they're either... Andrew Maxwell was just like, don't you be eating northern Tatos. Northern Tatos aren't good. You try a southern tato. And then he went, the potato chip was invented here in Ireland.

No, it wasn't. It was a guy. It was a chef. I saw it on the food they made. And kept on, I want a crisper, a crisper. And then he sort of. He was doing it because he wanted it to be annoying, right? Yeah, he was doing it to be annoying.

But the two Mr. Tatos, if you don't think these two... So one's northern and one's... Okay, so that's the one there, the red back, that's the southern Taitos, right? The mascot, the only difference is he has a different hat. One has a black hat, one's smiley. From this angle, I thought that was his term. Yeah, that's a Belfast Taito.

Belfast. No wonder they can't get along, these people. They can't get their Tato's right, these people. You familiar with Tato's, Katlani? I know some potato history. I know that's one of the questions later on. What's your favorite crisp? Or not Tato's, the brand.

What's your favorite brand of crisps? Ooh, I'm partial to Ruffles. I don't mind me a Ruffle. Yeah, Ruffles. With the ridges? Yeah, the Ruffles. There's something. Yeah, it collects all of the flavor.

I like the cheddar ones or sometimes the sour cream and onion ones, but it's something about the ridges that, like, it's a great texture. They're not too greasy, and all the flavor dust gets caught up in those peaks. You can scoop. Yeah, they're strong enough you can dip. I like Smith's from Australia, very good brand of crisps. But here's the thing, when you move countries, that was the thing that was most jarring.

When I moved from Australia to England, the biggest cultural shock I had was that they changed, the color doesn't match up with the crisp that you're eating. Right? So I grew up my whole life with salt and vinegar were a purple bag. Blue here. Blue.

Blue. Oh, fuck me. It's like your brain's confused. It doesn't know what you're eating. Because blue is meant to be cheese and onion. Right? We don't have. And then green. Sounds weird. Sour cream and onion, right? We don't have... And then green...

Sounds weird. Sour cream and onion. Then green is chicken. Chicken? Yeah, chicken's very popular. Chicken's a very popular flavor in Australia for everything. Forrest is a big fan of the chicken salt. Chicken salt?

I put it on my popcorn at home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chicken salts it up. I remember Conan had a bit on his show about tatos. Oh, yeah. Tatos. We're not going to play Conan's bit, are we? I could.

Is it long? No. I think it's short. Oh, it disconnected. Oh, well, that was fine. What? Audio broke. Audio broke.

While we're here, has anyone seen the Irish Prime Minister? He fucking used to be, like, homeless, right? Google the Irish Prime Minister? He fucking used to be like homeless, right? Google the Irish Prime Minister. I was watching Ireland playing Scotland in the rugby and it was played in Dublin and the Irish Prime Minister came out. They've got a Danny DeVito cunt there who's just, if you wanted to do a cartoon

of an Irish fella, this is your guy. This guy? No, no, no. Little short fella. In the meantime, what are Hydrox cookies? Jim said they have Pop Rocks in them. Tell them what Hydrox cookies are, Caitlin. Hydrox are the

original Oreos. Hydrox cookies were the original chocolate sandwich cookie that came out in 1908. Oreos are actually the imitation of Hydrox cookies which were introduced in 1912. So is it like the Pop Tarts thing he was just saying? Like Hydrox cookies, which were introduced in 1912. So is it like the Pop-Tarts thing he was just saying?

Like Hydrox came out first and then Oreo took over? Yeah, essentially. It was a 40-year battle. And it wasn't until Oreo rebranded in the 1950s when their popularity surpassed the Hydrox cookie. Or it also could be the unfortunate name of combining hydrogen and oxygen to create the name Hydrox. But that was supposed to be kind of like a purity of product. I've always thought that the Oreo is an overrated product unless it's crushed up into ice cream.

Then wonderful. It's the best cookie to crush up into things. Terrible cookie just to sit and eat. You don't know how wrong you are. Depressing. No, you've got to dip in milk. Sog it up a little. It doesn't sog up enough.

Oh, it does. You've got to leave it in there. You're not being patient enough. Please. The Hydrox cookies still exist, don't they? Or they did when I was a kid, or are they gone? Hydrox, the brand was bought, and now it's being redistributed. I got it.

Okay. I don't eat Tim Tams. I'm not patriotic about Australian biscuits. Tim Tams are good. People love Tim Tams here. They're all right. They're all right. What?

They're the most overrated Australian biscuit. People rave on about them, but you never want to sit there and eat a packet of them. Biscuits. I have. You want a soft cookie. What? Mrs. Fields. I'll tell you what. She's You want a soft cookie. What? Mrs. Fields. I'll tell you what.

She's the best looking entrepreneur who ever lived, Mrs. Fields. I learned that about the food at Built America. Nothing wrong with Mrs. Fields. You think she's going to be a homely sort of lady. No, she's bloody good sort, Mrs. Fields. What does celery have to do with a Titanic? Jim had a great answer about the Titanic being low in calories. See you so on. Tell me I'm wrong.

Delightfully wrong. So at the time, celery was considered a very posh ingredient. It was something that was really reserved for the wealthy. In fact, they would make celery vases specifically for stalks of celery so that people could put it on display and have plumes of greenery everywhere. But on the night the Titanic sank, the first class passengers were served a 10 course meal where a couple of the dishes actually featured celery, one of which was a pate de foie gras. a couple of the dishes actually featured celery, one of which was a pate de foie gras. I reckon Rose, when she was being painted naked with the big diamond around her neck,

she should have had a stick of celery just to really rub it in because she was posh, you see. You'd already given her the monets and you gave her the diamond and she's eating my celery because you know how I feel about the character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've forgotten about Titanic. He's the hero of the piece. Yeah, Billy Zane. You've forgotten about Titanic. He's the hero of the piece.

Billy Zane. Billy Zane. He did nothing wrong. Did nothing wrong. You give a woman a billion dollar diamond, take her on a cruise, and she's shagging someone from economy on day two, you'd be angry as well. And now celery is worth nothing. No, it's still you.

Go to the shops. They sell it. I know, I know. But it's like a garnish almost. It's it's still you. Go to the shops. They sell it. I know, I know, but it's like a garnish almost. It's a very discarded vegetable. You've got to eat it with- I love celery. You've got to have it with your buffalo wings.

I like celery. I enjoy it. Ants on a log? I've never seen you walking down the street munching on a stick of celery. With wings. I've eaten with wings, just like you said. I've seen you do that. They're more blue cheese than they are celery. That's you did that is the blue cheese distributor that's all i are yeah i like how you're

talking about me like you like you eat with a fork and knife the reason he's never gotten an oreo soggy is because he inhaled his food i eat them by the sleeve. What is a, quote, geographical indication as it relates to food? Jim, what do you say? If it's grown together, it goes together. If it grows together, it goes together. It does depend on where it's grown or where it's cultivated. So a geographical indication is a legal classification given to foods that have become synonymous with the name of a place. So this is the classic. Well, you can't call it champagne unless it comes from the Champagne region of France. given to foods that have become synonymous with the name of a place.

So this is the classic, well, you can't call it champagne unless it comes from the Champagne region of France argument. Although there are a few exceptions to that rule. But this also includes things like Kobe beef, Gouda cheese, Parmigiano-Reggiano, Kalamata olives. There's like thousands of them in the world. But geographical indications, they're like, they're just a legal marketing tool it basically says that you can't sell bubbly wine and call it champagne unless it actually comes from this region but like there's places in the world that recognize them and then other places that don't the united states actually does not recognize a lot of these geographical indications tequila we do though i drink a lot of tequila yeah tequila we do yeah tequila we do champagne technically we do a lot of the wines but when it comes to the meats

and cheeses we do not you kobe up here all the time everything's wagyu something or other and i'm like i don't feel like this is not true like if it's labeled kobe beef here in the united states it's likely american style kobe beef because Wagyu is the breed of cow. Kobe indicates that it's made in the Hyogo prefecture of Japan with the capital city being Kobe. So like we do have Wagyu, the breed of cow here, but it's not going through the same like regulations and up to code as the japanese wagyu and kobe do you ever have a when you're in australia did you ever have yourself a morton bay bug uh no i can't say that i have and also i've never been to australia how did you know about you had a flat white new zealand very

similar coffee culture that's no it's not the same bloody going over you there is an australian cafe in philadelphia yeah where they serve a bit of milo yeah a morton bay bug is similar it's like a shellfish like a lot of lobsters it burrows it's close it's like lobster cut with like crab but it doesn't yeah it's like a shellfish like a lot of lobsters it burrows it's close it's like lobster cut with like crab but it doesn't yeah it's a little bit different looking it's like a flatter animal yeah it's whole it's whole it's all bodies a tail yeah yeah it goes again a morton bay bug morton m-o-r-t-o-n baby i thought you're talking about a birdie beetle no birdie beetles are chocolates terrible that's like a prehistoric looking nasty. It just looks like a flattened lobster.

Yeah, but then you just cut it in half. It's good. I've had it. Oh, they're good. I've had one before. Not as good as lobster, but it's good. One of my top 10 meals of my life was a Penang curry with Balmain bugs in Sydney in a Thai place. I think about it.

Sometimes it helped me come. Think about it right now. Well, hopefully when I end up in Australia, because I would love to visit someday, I think about it. Sometimes it helped me come. Think about it right now. Well, hopefully when I end up in Australia, because I would love to visit someday, I'll definitely try a Morton Bay bug. Morton Bay bugs. I had them at Christmas. I ordered them in.

People were happy. No one was disappointed. They also call them Balmain bugs, but Morton Bay is the more popular name. Who is credited with inventing nachos, and what is the story behind the creation of a popular snack? Is it Jose Nacho? Let's tell us about nachos how they became popular you you weren't wrong in the sense that it is named after a person but that person's name is

ignacio anya and ignacio with the nickname being nacho uh But nachos were invented in 1943. So this is also some more World War II food history. There was a guy named Ignacio Aña, and he was the maitre d' of a club, of a place called the Victory Club in Piedra, Negras, Mexico. And this place was right on the border, about four miles away from an American army base that was in a place called Eagle Pass, Texas. So the Victory Club, really popular among the army wives.

They would hang out there. And one night, a group of women, they go in and they want something to eat. But the chef had just stepped out. So Ignacio didn't want them to be hungry. So he ran into the kitchen. He grabbed some tortilla chips, some cheese, some jalapenos. He threw it into the broiler and served the first plate of nachos. Yeah, nacho.

I like a nacho that's proper oven cooked where you put the stuff and you put it in the oven on like a glass plate or something like that, right? You bring it. This American sort of like you're at the baseball and they just give you some melted cheese and some chips. Not nachos. That's cheese and dip, man. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes you go and there'll just be a pile of nachos. It's fine if it's piled, but it's evenly distributed.

Sometimes it's just a lot of chips and stuff piled on top. Or you go to a place that individually does a nacho. Each chip will have a little bit of bean, a little bit of cheese, a little bit of sour cream. Yeah. It's fancy. It's good stuff. It's all about distribution.

I like it layered like a lasagna. It's like chips, cheese, chips, cheese. You want to get in there. They have the nucleus in the middle where you have to really pull it out. Yeah, it's the body of it. Where the chip is just soggy and it's bending under the weight of the beans. I don't understand why it's a shareable meal. There's so many fingers in there.

It's like it shouldn't just be put as a plate like, hey, we can all enjoy this. Yeah, because someone's doing like that. Then they take the other hand and move it. Lick their fingers. it's like it shouldn't just be put as a plate like hey we can all enjoy this yeah yeah yeah because someone's doing like that then they take the other hand and move it and then fingers but they're also looking around like to like oh i'm gonna get that side there's like reverse jenga there's more covid in nachos than than refried beans i always think that all foods are an accident like i reckon pokey was just a really shit sushi chef who just had a go. And then he's just like, Pokey! I like me some Pokey, but don't act like, you know,

that wasn't a bloke who was just like, oh, fuck, I didn't cut this thin enough. Put it in a bowl. Put it in a bowl. It's like scrambled eggs. Yeah, sushi bowl. That's all it is, Pokey. What is a butt of wine?

Is it the residue on is a butt of wine? Is it the residue on the bottom of the wine? No. It is a unit of measurement. It is 126 gallons of wine, which was roughly two standard barrels. They used to call it a Kardashian of wine. Because it was a big. Oh, yeah.

See what I mean? Big asses. Big butts. But why is it that exact that exactly trying to do comedy here no no i got it i'm asleep today i just flew in yeah but i thought jack would have laughed i did what and why was it that amount the butt why did they come up with that no i think that like anything else in the imperial measurement is just like a random thing. And that just became the standard. I mean, um, it's, it's,

I think it has to do like it's barrel sizes, but I think this was a butt load was considered to standard. Oh, so we go to butt load or something. Yeah. I love that. It is a lot. It is a lot of buttload

what was the connection between hershey bars in the military why hershey uh jim says we don't like the military put in the ration i like the military i'm just saying that but at the time that's what he doesn't think hershey's good chocolate so but hershey's dog shit you're a foodie well then you must be able to say that if you don don't like Hershey's, then you'll love, like, yeah. It's not that they didn't like the military, but Hershey was commissioned to develop a rations chocolate bar that could withstand poisonous gas, extreme temperatures, and dysentery. Oh, no, no, no.

Hershey is the cockroach of chocolate. It'll be there after any nuclear apocalypse. Like, it lives. Like, you get that for Halloween. You can throw it out next Halloween. No one gives a shit. So that's maybe why. Yeah, the first.

Yeah, is that. Jim doesn't like the taste. Is that why? You can eat Hershey's, shit Hershey's, and repackage it and taste the same. God. The first rations bars, I think they were like the D rations. That was the first one that Hershey made. Soldiers complained that it did actually give them gastrointestinal.

Of course it did. And a lot of them didn't want to eat it. Yeah, Hershey kisses. But they were different kinds of rations bars made throughout the war and for different theaters to borrow from Warspeak. So the Pacific Theater got this thing called the Tropical Bar as part of their K rations. And this was a chocolate bar that just like did not melt. It just could withstand the heat and humidity of the Pacific Theater and also was the only thing.

And so this is the difference between the Tropical and the D ration was like the tropical bar. That was the only thing that soldiers could eat if they got dysentery. That was like the one thing that worked. What's your favorite mainstream brand of chocolate? Oh, we have a great company out in Pennsylvania, not Hershey, called Wilbur. not Hershey, called Wilbur. And believe it or not, Hershey actually stole the Hershey kiss concept from the Wilbur chocolate company. The kisses are called that because the machine goes.

Yeah, I guess. It makes the little doodoos, yeah. Wilbur, got to try that one. No, it's Cadbury's. We got some Tonys here. The answer is Cadbury's. What do you use on s'mores, Jim? Cadbury's cabris cabris is the best chocolate that's ever been made although although me and the wife had a bit of a thing right so so the wife is very into british chocolate i think british and

australian chocolate's on par with each other but she thinks british chocolate is substantially better we bought i bought back some when i was in i went out to Australia for one gig in the middle of my tour and I bought back some Australian Maltesers and then I had a bowl of British Maltesers yeah the blind testers I let my wife taste the two of them and she did be able to pick the British one but she went too far

she went too far she went that's not even a Malteser that flavour isn't right it's like they were very fucking close she liked to say it's not even a malteser that flavor isn't right it's like they were very fucking close yeah she'd like to say it's not even a malteser i know how i feel and i go what about when you're in australia she goes i'd eat them if i had to no one's making damn uh how did lobster become popular as jim said it used to be a peasant food i don't know he got a point somewhere is that yeah you were right. Yeah.

Lobster was considered a peasant food. Whether or not it was served to prisoners is more apocryphal. But we do know. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. That's a whole episode. That word. Archaeopteryx. I don't know about that.

Say that word again. Apocryphal. As in, it's kind of this mythology. Hold on, hold on. Before we carry on, let's see if the other ones who are mocking me. I'm not mocking you. Well, I don't know what it means, but based on the sentence she did, I think it's like a mythology maybe.

Yeah, she just said the word mythology. It's like when I play quizzes with my daddy, he always answers right after. That's what that means. Okay, second world war. Second world war. I don't know what it means. That's what I thought she meant when she used it in the sentence.

Okay, so what does the word mean? Okay, so it's when a story has been told so many times, it just becomes truth in a way. I mean, there's not really any reports, like specific things that we can point to. It's not like they're giving out menus in prisons in the 1800s so we don't necessarily know if they specifically did but it was prolific in new england it was super abundant people it was very cheap and a high source of protein so they were like yeah it was yeah likely fed to prisoners lobster and goes oh this is for peasants

like it's it's good you don't have to do much to it you just got to cook it and eat it they got overcooked let's see they didn't know how to cook it and eat it when they've when colonists first arrived yeah a lot like there was so it was so prolific lobsters were so prolific in new england that there'd be a storm out at sea and they would just wash up on the shores. And so the Algonquin speaking tribes, a lot of the tribes that were indigenous to areas of New England, they knew exactly what to do, they would go out to the shores, they would pick them up before they died, and then go cook them. And a lot of things to you got to think about some of the racism that was happening, they probably saw indigenous people eating lobsters, and they were

like, Oh, we don't want to eat what they're eating, even though they literally, and indigenous people taught colonists how to eat in the Americas. But colonists had no idea what to do, so they wouldn't collect the, you know, the lobsters from the shores. They would die and it would sink up the shores. Also,

lobsters need to be boiled alive. It reduces the risk of food poisoning. And colonists didn't know this, so they weren't having a good time with it. And they would have had that New England old school accent as well, that Kennedy one. That accent's dead now. Here they are, they're lobster.

That one, you know. Oh, there's lobster up on the water. There they are. Like that one. I bet it was. I can't do it, but you know what I'm doing. No, it sounds right. Mayor Quimby.

I bet it was a lot about the preparation, too, like you said, because if it's not cooked right away, yeah. In what year? Okay, the Canadian maple syrup heist. Let's talk about this. Was it in 1927? 1,000 barrels, $2 million of money. Let's talk about that.

What was it? are we talking about the when did it happen yeah when did it take place how many barrels so we can do all these questions here so it was july 2012 so not quite what was it you said how did we not hear about this? I didn't hear about it. Big news in Canada. It was huge news. They stole nearly 3,000 tons of syrup that was valued around $18.7 million Canadian dollars.

And then what did they sell off the back of trucks? They were in their truck listening to the tragically hip throwing out barrels of maple syrup. They were actually trafficking small batches across Quebec and as far as Vermont and New Hampshire. And who was buying them, though? I guess other people that didn't realize that the maple syrup had been stolen. I always hate whenever you see like like on the news they go uh at the airport we've found 74 kilos of cocaine and then they go with a street value of and they give this number and you're like

hang on a minute yeah i know how much cocaine costs a gram don't start selling it for 300 bucks a gram going a street value of they always inflate that price so much higher because like like like you're saying how much money in maple syrup did we lose there it was 18.7 million canadian dollars on the black market they're only getting about a million back for that i used to joke about the street value and it was like what other value would there be for cocaine retail value or something like kmart i get this stuff for like on the street that's another so yeah huge economic impact for quebec because i think it's 80% of the world's maple syrup comes from Quebec.

It is a huge export for Canada and a huge export for that state. So this was an economic blow. How did they do it? Yeah, yeah. Well, how did they disguise the barrels? So it definitely had to be an inside job. It clearly was. Like 17 people were actually arrested in association with this crime.

It clearly was like 17 people were actually arrested in association with this crime. What it was was like they don't check the facility where all of this maple syrup was stolen from. At the time, they didn't check it like they only checked it once a year. So someone knew that when the window of opportunity that they had to steal all of this and so over the course of several months they siphoned maple syrup from the barrels and replaced it with water the shawshank that's like what i did in high school with the liquor cabinet why don't they replace it with that shitty syrup you get it like i hope yeah make it syrup yeah i mean just the blueberries like cut in your it's cutting your your profits Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet you they cut it with that IHOP shit when they started selling it.

Yeah. It's like rubbing on the gum. It's good stuff. Yeah, my cousin died from diabetes, so be careful. Why do Brussels sprouts taste better today than they did before? Has the bitterness been extracted modified well brussels sprouts in conventional farming days used to taste great but when farming became more industrialized they needed to create a brussels sprout crop that could grow uniformly and mature at the same time so that they could harvest it all at the same time

with these machines and that was uh that was in the 60s. So scientists developed a kind of Brussels sprout that could handle mass production. But the result was a very nasty, funky tasting Brussels sprout that turned people off of the vegetable for generations. And due to the bad branding during the 90s, Brussels sprout producers were really desperate for a solution uh so scientists they went back to the drawing board and in 1999 they figured out that there were two compounds that were making brussels sprouts gross uh and so through crossbreeding with a bit of heritage

through crossbreeding heritage brussels sprouts with the ones that were meant for mass production they were actually able to create a modern br sprout, the ones that we have today, that are tasty but can also grow uniformly and they mature at the same time. Yeah, because I like them better now. What other vegetable could do with a revamp? It's not pulling its weight. Get rid of kale. Kale's doing my head in.

Kale came in. I like kale, but there's different kinds of kale. I'll tell you which one I used to like, and now broccoli, it's, I don't know,

if you cook it wrong, you burp too much. You gotta get rid of the burping. I don't like, I don't mind broccoli if it's a bit charred, like it's got a bit of burn to it. I like broccoli rub

more than the... If you burp broccoli, you're done. Arugula could be better. Oh, I like arug it. I like broccoli rub more than the... If you burp broccoli, you're done. Arugula could be better. Oh, I like arugula. It tastes like dirt. Yeah, there's nothing to it. Okay, revamp arugula.

What do they call it in Britain? I don't know. Rocket. Rocket. Rocket. And Australia. Because it looks like a rocket, man. It doesn't, but okay.

You've told... I really knew this from Australia. There are six types of corn in the world. Which is the oldest? said maize yeah i can't digest any of them so there there are six types uh it's dent flint flour uh pod corn popcorn and sweet corn and popcorn is the one that is the oldest. I once had four of those six in one shit. Popcorn. You should have a podcast about popcorn called Popcorn. Edit that out, please. Popcorn is a type of corn.

So when do people start popping corn? I thought it was just, I didn't know there was an actual type of corn you pop. Yeah, it's an actual corn variety. But fossil evidence indicates that in Peru, people have been popping corn since 4700 BCE.

I thought it was named after the band Korn. What does it mean when Jimmy cracked corn? What does that mean? I think it might be racist. Oh. It's something you sing if you're a hobo on a train. Yeah, exactly.

Jimmy cracked Korn. I don't care. Is it popping? What's he doing with that Korn? I don't know. It's cracked Korn. I'm not too sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a good question. Another podcast. Edit that out too. All right. From which- It's all going to go. Korn was domesticated from what? Was it also maize?

It is a type of grass called teosinte. Oh, okay. Does it grow everywhere, the popcorn? Grow everywhere? Oh, I'm not sure. I'm sure farmers can grow it if they feel like it. I mean, corn is a pretty prolific plant that can grow in a lot of regions. I got a dinner party fact of food. I've already done this one. I do this one all the time. Okay, so I have to ask you.

Okay, what's the only food that's in every cuisine in the world? Is it corn? No, it's not corn. Onions. Onions are in every cuisine. They can grow fucking everywhere. You have them on top of sushi. There's spring onions, regular onions. The Indians use them. Every culture bashes out the onion.

Yeah. Love the onion. I love that. Onions are great. From which continent did sweet potatoes originate, and when did they first arrive in Polynesia? I'm not sure about the Polynesia, but he said Asia. Well, no.

Sweet potatoes originally come from Central and South America, and some archaeologists believe that they arrived in Polynesia around 1000 CE, so the Common Era. And this challenges a lot of conventional... The Common Era? Fucking hell, what a... Yeah, so that's the... That's what people are trying to say instead of

BC and AD, so it's before Christ and then Anno Dominion, so this kind of becomes a little bit more inclusive. Oh, I like to remember Christ's death. Yeah. It makes me happy. So AD is now BCE, which is before common era, and then AD is now CE,

common era. That's where we're in bloody political correctness gone man they've cancelled after death and before Christ I thought it was like anno something anyways yeah yeah yeah okay last question here I used to go pre Buddha after Buddha uh way back yeah that's the calendar I follow um What was the most popular ice cream flavor in Philadelphia during the colonial era? Was it vanilla? No, not quite. It was oyster flavored ice cream.

What town is this? Philadelphia. Oyster. You silly people. Silly people. That's why you lost the World Series. You can't be bloody... You had the Super Bowl with your oyster bloody ice cream.

Yeah, yeah, you're not going to win anything with your bloody oyster ice cream. Have you had oyster ice cream, Kaylani? I have not. There is a historic... It melts and they just call it clam chowder. There's a historic ice cream place that makes it every now and again, but I haven't got a chance to try it. I'm not a big oyster person, to be honest.

Yeah, that sounds disgusting. Like beer ice cream doesn't sound good. Dad, it's a hot day. Can I have an ice cream? I'm sorry to tell you, son, they're all out of oyster. I'll pass then. If I can't have oyster. Give me some sea urchin.

Yeah, yeah. And put some coffee bean specks on top of it because I'm a kid and I enjoy my food roll it in asbestos this is a

part of our show called dinner party facts we ask our experts to give us a fact something obscure interesting they can use to impress people about the subject

Kelly's just saying she's pointing with those so really quickly Kehlani this is the first time this has ever happened but we have actually gotten this dinner party fact before did we subjects yeah so really quickly kaylani this is the first time this has ever happened but we have actually gotten this dinner party fact before did we uh yeah because i knew this when

i was reading it i just read it right now and i was like oh crap let's see if i remember it yeah i mean it's still really interesting to me who gave it to us uh it was when we did 18th century something maybe the kinky history or the hygiene i don't remember it's about pineapples yeah oh pineapple is very expensive yeah we bought them they're worth lots and lots of money i i assume you probably need to show off what about the toll house toll house story well anyways i can give you stuff from the food that built america i know i'm all we don't want your your dinner party fest do you know that Fruit Loops, for the first time, they infused fruit into, because it's a dried thing,

because fruit's very easy to dry and maintain its flavor. And then what do you think was the counteraction from the people at Post? Fruity Pebbles. Oh, yeah. Fruity Pebbles. Fruity Pebbles was the first time they used a cartoon that already existed to endorse the cereal instead of making one up like Tony and the Tiger. Another thing about Fruit Loops is when we were at that gay nightclub in Minneapolis.

I'm not being homophobic when I say this, but when you walk around a gay club to sort of check out all the menus. You do a whole circle around the whole thing. Yeah, we do it in heterosexual nightclubs. This is what was told to us by the man that gave us a tour. He was gay. The homosexual that was giving us the tour. Yeah. Right?

He told us this, and he said, let's go for a fruit loop. That's what they call when you walk around a gay nightclub looking for other people. That's what they're told. All right. So there you go. Fun fact. Well, the pineapple one. On food.

In case anyone forgot, you can say it. But then if you have anything else, Kayla. Yeah, because we didn't talk about the Toll House cookie story. Whatever. Toll House. I do have an interesting one. Okay. So how much do you know about saffron?

Oh, too much. If we did a podcast on saffron, it would be called I Know About That. I just know that it's expensive. I don't know. I don't know. It's a spice. That's it. I'm married to an Indian woman.

We're all about saffron in my house. have tons of it no we don't we have none okay because it was so expensive uh throughout all of history people have tried to bootleg uh saffron and they would cut it with other things like safflower. At one point, saffron was actually worth more than gold. So people would take gold dust to try and bring saffron up to weight. And this became such a horrible problem that in medieval Nuremberg, Germany, which was considered the unofficial seat of the Holy Roman Empire because it was an important market in the spice trade through Europe. Saffron, they would check the spices in the markets of Nuremberg. And because this was such a problem, they started enforcing what was called the Saffron Schau, where it was like,

if the saffron wasn't pure, you could either lose a hand or lose your life. And if you were found with bootleg saffron, you know, depending on how much it was, you would be buried or your hand would be buried with your bootleg spices. That is saffron. Is that a fun one? Yeah. It's very expensive.

Okay, I'm going to ask you a simple food question. All right. I'm going to give you two categories. What's the best meal you've had in the world for under $20? And what's the best meal you've had for over $50? Ooh, I'd say for under $20, any drunken night in Germany with donut kebabs. I love a donut kebab. In Australia, they're donut kebab crazy.

And now in Britain, it used to be just for drunk people. But now they call them German donut kebabs. And they've tried to revamp it so you can eat it any time of the day. We should have one when we're in Berlin. Oh. Okay. So German donut kebab. It's already in my colon, man.

Yeah. Okay. Donut kebab from Germany. Oh, and then over $50. It's any restaurant in the world, really. It's a nice restaurant. Oh, goodness. um any any restaurant in the world really that's a nice restaurant oh goodness um um there was a collaboration dinner like a while ago with a chef uh vetri in philadelphia but he teamed up with morimoto and it was like this bazillion like dish meal where each chef would

take an ingredient and express it in their with their cultural relevance so it was morimoto would do something with japan and then chef fetri he's italian so he did something with the talent it was just like the most food i've ever had in my entire life but some of the most interesting sushi rolls that i've ever experienced and then every dish the there was like a guy who like a sommelier who would come over and i just remember him presenting a sake with one of the sushi rolls and he was like this sake is made from the water that melts down a mountain like from the snow that melts down a mountain it was just beautiful tasting so that was what an incredible meal do you feel i feel that uh that western white but this is gonna sound a bit supremacy on me but that that white people get a

bad rap when it comes to food every other culture gets to do this sentence food is where the family comes together and we all sit around the table and we converse and lots of other stuff and i feel like we can't say that we can never go oh we all get together in front of the tv and we converse and all that type of stuff. And I feel like we can't say that. We can never go, oh, we all get together in front of the TV and we just shovel. We're not as family-centric here in America. What's the question there? That was just a statement. You know what? I always feel like whenever we sit, like they always talk down on cooking shows.

Everyone's always about, oh, in our culture, we all get together and we make the food. I think that's all cultures. Well, it's a lot more common here for people to not have family dinners. I know people still do, but other cultures are much more family-centric. Yeah, but I'll eat their food as well. I eat our food. There's not a cuisine in the world that I don't touch.

I'm in for all of them. I'm very well. There's not a single cuisine that I go, I don't like blah, blah, blah. There's something on every menu I can partake in. Except for the... Russian. My wife's... Oh, I don't mind a pierogi.

All day I'll have a pierogi. Love a pierogi. And my wife's obsessed with Ethiopian foodopian food and i find that the the dal which is like a big bloody crumpet that's got a thing i don't like that bread they pick up a little sour but yeah i don't i don't like that but i do like they make this chicken with a boiled egg on top very good so i can participate in that yeah was there a question? No. I just think that, you know, all families get around the table and eat. It's not special. Okay.

Hot take. It's my podcast. Yeah. I can say whatever I want. Kaylani, you can find her on, well, are you still the Check Please Philly? That's still, you're still part of that? Yep. I'm actually going to film next week. So check that out. It's W-H-Y-Y's Check Please Philly, you're still part of that? Yep. I'm actually going to film next week.

So check that out. It's W-H-Y-Y's Check Please Philly. I'm assuming you can watch that online. Do you think the Philadelphia cheese, did you guys originate that or you nick it from somebody? How did that happen? What, the Philadelphia cheesesteak? No, just the Philadelphia cheese. The cream cheese?

Yeah, the cream cheese. Oh, the cream cheese. I don't think that. That doesn't really have any association with Philadelphia. Doesn't it? Then why is it called? I think that's the brand. Yeah, yeah. cheese. Oh, the cream cheese. I don't think that... That doesn't really have any association with Philadelphia. Doesn't it? Then why is it called... I think that's the brand. Yeah, yeah.

I think it's the brand. That's the brand. I think it's made in Chicago. Sometimes I have the sushi roll that'll have the Philly cheese in there, right? I'll tell you, Chicago, that's the worst of all the local cuisines in America. I don't want a big fucking pickle spear next to me hot dog and just make a regular pizza. Stop acting like assholes.

Okay. Let me promote Kay Lani one more time here. I'm not even going to argue with him. When was the last time you had one of those deep dish pizzas? I hate deep dish. Yeah, okay. Do you ever have the hot dog with just the cut bits of tomato? I also hate tomato.

I've been to your baseball and I've seen you all like, oh, you got to get a Chicago dog, and none of you are eating it. It's like you're pushing on all the tourists, and we're like, oh, I guess. It's the mutton bird of America. Oh, it's bloody garbage. All right. Let's say Kehlani Palmisano. Although I have got some gigs coming up at Chicago Theater.

No, we'll do that in the intro. Do that in the intro. Kehlani Palmisano, thank you for being here. You can check her out on Check Please Philly on WHYY. You can look at it online. Also PBS Foods Delistory, a digital series on the history of food. And then check her out on Instagram, Twitter

and TikTok at Kaylani says, K-A-E-L-A-N-I says, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. This was really fun. Thank you, Kaylani. Thank you so much for having me. This was really fun. Thank you, Kalani. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. If you ever had a party and someone walks up to you and goes,

I reckon they would have stolen a whole lot of maple syrup before 2000, go, I don't know about that. I wasn't watching the news, evidently. Good night, Australia.