I Don't Know About That - Metal Music with Rob Dukes

Episode Date: October 4, 2022

In this episode, the team discusses metal music with vocalist of Generation Kill, former vocalist of Exodus, and host of the Put Up Your Dukes Podcast, Rob Dukes. Follow Rob on Instagram @rob_dukes and his band @generationkillband ! Make sure to check out the the Put Up Your Dukes Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts or go to putupyourdukespodcast.com ! To buy Generation Kill's newest album "MKUltra" , go to generationkill.band or stream it on your favorite streaming platform ! ***video used*** Strike of the Beast by Exodus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He6DJatWIZ4 Our merch store is now live! Go to idontknowaboutthat.com for shirts, hoodies, mugs, and more! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Trick question Both of them Alright I don't know what a bowler A bowler hat Ebola hat Ebola hat. Ebola hat. Or Ebola hat. Ebola hat.

Ebola hat. Ebola hat. Like, you know, Mr. Sheen. Yeah. You don't have that cleaning product, Mr. Sheen? We have Mr. Clean. Oh, no, we have Mr. Sheen. Charlie Sheen?

No, it's just called Mr. Sheen. Bit of a knockoff. Mr. Sheen, he keeps your house clean. Whatever, it looks the exact same. I'm looking it up right now. Mr. Sheen, how do you spell it? Sheen. H-E-E-N?

Yeah. There's not even a guy. I mean, there's not even a dude. It says Mr. Clean when you put in Mr. Sheen. I find it funny when you've got two things in different countries and they change the name of things. Yeah, why? Just leave it the same. Well, they change the name of something. Oh, here he is. He's a little bit...

He's like nerdy looking. Mr. Clean. You've seen Mr. Clean, right? Yeah, he's the muscle he's got. He's not him. He's not him. He's like a little nerd. He's nerdy, but he's like a butler. He's a butler. Look, see him? He's a butler. He's cleaning your house. Oh, yeah. Oh, nerd. He looks like he would... Kick that guy's ass. Fucking... Come clean my ass. What's that? What's a butler. He's cleaning your house. Oh, yeah. Oh, nerd. He looks like he would- Kick that guy's ass.

Fucking- Come clean my ass. What's that? What's that? Autoglass repair. Autoglass replace. Is it autoglass? Safe flight.

Oh, safe flight. Yeah, so in Britain, it's called autoglass. And they use the same. Autoglass repair. Autoglass replace. It doesn't even work. And then it's like safe- No, it's safe life.

Neither of them work. Safe flight is a different amount of- Safe flight. Safe Flight. I'll tell you one that blew my mind. Safe Flight. Is the theme song from America's Funniest Home Videos. We have the same one for Australia and we change a few lyrics.

What? Oh, it killed me. Because you go, stories from the friends next door. You never saw the... Catch you on that far. You're the red, white and blue. The funny things that you do. America, America, this is you. And Australia does all of the beginning and then we go,

you're a dinky dye true blue. The funny things that you do. Australia, Australia, this is you. Did you say dinky blue? A dinky dye true blue. A dinky dye true blue. You guys love to say true in front of stuff. Dinky dye true blue.

Who hosted it? What's dinky dye? Oh, yeah. Dinky Dye, True Blue. Who hosted it? What's Dinky Dye? Oh, yeah. Oh, Dinky Dye. Okay, so Dinky Dye. We're all just going to let that go. Okay, so that's what I was trying to ask. So if you go, something's fair dinkum.

If something's fair dinkum, then it's true. Right. And then, like, fair dinkum, I'm telling you the truth. Right. Dinky Dye is like, he's a dinky Dye. You're an honest lad. Yeah, dinky Dye. He's a trustworthy good fucking.

He's a larrikin, but you'd lend him a dog. You know, he's dinky Dye, true blue. Dinky Dye. If you say that next time you meet an Australian, you go, look, I'm dinky Dye, true blue. They'll go, fucking someone went on holiday for a week. Someone read a Wikipedia. Now, there's a thing in Australia now where they've sort of,

I noticed it when I first went out there. So all these, like I finish phone calls now sometimes ironically with hoo-roo, which means goodbye in Australia. Wow. I've learned a lot of things. I go hoo-roo, hoo-roo, but fair dinkum and all this other stuff. Hoo-roo. What happened with this,

all those sayings got lost in time and now the younger generation are ironically bringing them back and just saying them. And so it's nice. It's a nice little thing. My dad will say, my dad will say bloody Nora is another one. Don't know what that means. Some bird called Nora that he fucking curses to all the time. Bloody Nora.

Yeah. There's something here that kids are saying now that they think is new, that's old. Low-key. Low-key is one of them. Oh, yeah. I mean, slang gets... DL, I think.

Recycled. DL. Like, yeah, yeah. But I think it is funny when they say something and they're like, you don't know what that means. I'm like, oh, you're bringing it back too soon. Yeah. My brother and sister-in-law are visiting right now

and my sister-in-law is, she's such a boomer in that she's like Gen Z anything she does. She's like, it's so fucking annoying. So Grant and I looked up a bunch of Gen Z slang and we were doing it all during dinner and she got very pissed off. Well, there's another one that me and Amos, when we call each other up, we'll say, hello, Cobber. Right. And Cobber is like a mate or whatever like that. But there's a riskier one. That's very hard to say in America, uh, cause it rhymes with something. Um, but we, if you meet a bloke in Australia, who's like a good guy,

and this comes from the first world war because of all the trenches and all that type of stuff. And that's what you, you, you call people diggers. So if you can say, hey digger, that's a good term, but you don't want to say that. You don't want to yell it across the room. You know what my favorite one was that you

would say around as slappers. Yeah, slappers. I love slappers. What are slappers? A slapper is like a drunk and sort of sloppy type of chick. Girl, yeah. She's got her shoes in her hand. She's so annoying, you want to slap her? No, no, no.

I don't think that's where it comes from. She's like hanging outside the bar, so I'm going to say her shoes in her hand. Yeah, bloody slapper. Sloppy flapper, I guess. Yeah, slapper. There's something about the skin slapping. There's a lot going on.

Yeah, yeah. I remember the first time we were in England, you're like, look at this couple of slappers. And I was like, it was like the perfect term for it. Yeah, as soon as you see a slapper, you know one when you see it. Yeah, yeah. You go, oh, yeah. If you put in British slappers into Google right now,

they'll give you some pictures. Yeah, I love it. And do you use the word slag over here? No, that's a U word. No, slag's a UK one, really, bloody slag. The first result is free British slapper porn videos. There's some slappers. Give me some pictures of some slappers.

I'll tell you if they're accurate here. There's some slappers right there. Yeah, there are a bunch of slappers. There you go of some slappers. I'll tell you if they're accurate here. There's some slappers out there. Yeah, there. Grunchy slappers. There you go. Some slappers. Look, I've slept with a lot of slappers in me day. I'm not begrudging the slapper community.

Here they are. Yeah. That's a better representation. It's funny because Luis had not been paying attention. His little face just sprung up. Oh, slappers, you say. I'm all in. Where are they?

What Mexican slang do you have for that? Drunken, disorderly woman. What have you got? I mean, they just call like super wasted people pelos, I mean, which translates to fart. Pelos. Pelo or peda for a girl yeah i like it what's what's the equivalent word for slapper for uh an american i don't know that's why i don't know drunk hoe like uh we have terms like it's not as fun as slappers this is really just derogatory this is one like the British really use the term

minger minger is a popular minger is just like she's minging man she's a minger she's just rough to look at these birds are minger but then like if she's a red headed minger they're called bird's a minger. But then, like, if she's a red-headed minger,

they're called gingers. Ginger minger. The redheads get them out. Rangers is always the best. Oh, in Australia, that one, even now, I sort of go, we have to stop Australia. It's 2022. Stop calling red-headed people rangers.

Or a slaphead used. Slapheads for bald people. But where is that one used? Oh, Britain and Australia will call people slapangers. Where is slap head used? Slap heads for bald people. But where is that one used? Britain and Australia will call people slap heads. I looked up slang terms for sloppy drunk girls. We've got old slop tits, swamp donkey, sloppopotamus,

slush man. Nothing beats slag. Canoe full of moose meat that doesn't roll off the tongue that was a lot so I have some gigs

oh yeah this weekend you're in St. Louis yeah at the Stifle Theater am I what October 7th yeah

October 8th you're at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville Tennessee speaking of slappers there'll be a lot of slappers outside of that gig why because that's where

that whole strip is. It's like the number one bachelorette party destination. I love the slappers at Nashville. Yeah, Nashville has a lot of slappers. And Jax and the Doohickeys will be performing there and the Ryman and the Walken.

If you're there, we'll sell t-shirts. Do you know what a bogan is, Kelly? Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be able to define it but i know the i know the vibe yeah the australian redneck yeah yeah basically but it involves a mullet there's a certain way of dressing i didn't realize there was a mullet in there oh well not always but if you google bogan and put up pictures they'll give you a few pictures of some bogans milky milky's a bogan, yeah. We mentioned him a few times, but he's all right.

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There's a game show in Britain that I've always been fascinated. I was trying to tell someone about it this weekend. It's the best and it's I've got to get the name. I'll find it. It's called Naked. Naked Attraction. Is the one with the wall, the doors lift up? I love that fucking show.

I love it. But it's really hard to find episodes. There may be one episode that you can find online. That's why I'm giving Jack a week. Yep. But it's a wild. I can't believe it exists, but it's fucking hilarious. It's on regular TV.

Yeah, that's wild. It's the best TV show ever made. All right. And yeah, I've actually got some show i'm opening for jim and some other shows but i have a show in ventura harbor comedy club i think it moved but it's out there mentor somewhere 21st 22nd i'm like co-headlining with so many but just come out there if you're if you're in the ventura harbor area i see that's california 22nd yeah it's about an hour east west no west of la for summer it's a very nice area come and see some whales

eat some seafood see some comedy it's a couple weekends from now yeah whales and i have a podcast i have a podcast called the merman definitely a slapper slapped her all over no you don't slap him there's no no i said that's a slapper all over you know i thought you were saying i'd slap her all over settle down i feel like you're not following the slapper code. Slapper all over. And we have merch too, right? Yeah. Yeah, idontknowaboutthat.com.

No, I... Oh, you do know about it. Yeah, I do. It's idontknowaboutthat.com. All right. We got to get going. $100. All right.

Please welcome our guest today, Rob Dukes. G'day, Rob. Now it's time to play. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Judging a book by its cover.

All right, Rob, I'm looking at you, and I assume it's something to do with music. That's true. All right. Now, just so you know, full disclosure, you have met Rob before, but he did not look like this. You might have had a mask on. You didn't have this beard.

We had masks on for about three minutes, and then we all started drinking vodka. So we're talking about Slayer. Well, close, but yeah. No. I didn't have the beard as much. I had a beard. Was Kerry King there? Nope. No, no, no. We were. Yeah. I didn't have a beard as much. I had a beard. Was Kerry King there?

Nope. No, no, no. Okay. We were in Phoenix. In Phoenix. During COVID. During COVID. Were you like the baseball guy?

No, that's Randy Johnson. No, no, no. There was a bloke who looked like you who was like, he was out in Phoenix for like spring training. No. That's good because that guy, he made out with a bloke in the back of the bar. Oh, that was another guy.

He's a big burly bloke with a beard. He's like, I'm playing baseball. And I had a gay friend with me and then I was just like, ah, so that guy's just making out with him, is he? And he goes, I think I'm gay. And he's drunk. He's like, I've never done that before. Checks out.

I was going to tread carefully about that. I didn't want to bring anything up. Slayer, though, you're on the right thing. You're on the right thing. We're talking about that. Are we talking about a particular band? We're just talking about heavy metal. Yeah, exactly.

That's what we're talking about. We're talking about metal. We're talking about metal. I'll introduce him properly. For 10 years, Rob Dukes was the vocalist of the legendary thrash band Exodus. He is currently the singer for Generation Kill. He has a podcast called Put Up Your Dukes, and you can find that on

putupyourdukespodcast.com or I guess anywhere you listen to podcasts, right? And you can follow Rob on IG at Rob underscore Dukes and at Generation Kill Band. And yeah, you can tell us a little bit about like your background, like how you do know Kerry King.

That is how we met you back stage. But you can tell us a little bit about your own background and how you got into metal. And yeah, I was like a punk rock kid and metal kid in New York. I grew up in New York and then I moved to L.A. in 2002, early 2000, 2000 right after 9-11 about six months after 9-11 and then i um started working in the industry as like a i was working at key club and then you know the avalon and i was loading in bands and doing guitar tech stuff and um so i was a guitar tech for a bunch of players in in la and then i got a call when i hey man you want to go do this tour with megadeth

and uh and i was like okay and i jumped on the tour bus and i ended up being guitar tech for exodus and then at the end of the tour i got up i sang with them horribly at one i was not a singer ever in my life but i got up and i sang one song just as like oh you know because at this point we're all you know living on a bus together for a month and or six weeks and uh i sang i don't even remember what song it was but i was terrible i couldn't remember the words and couldn't remember the timing but a month later they called me and said hey we want you to come audition uh what that's a wild you were just a guitar guy you had no uh dreams of being no i was making good money

fixing guitars for rich guitar players because that's how noel gallagher started out before he was he was the roadie for the in spiral carpets before and like and actually liam started the band but the songs were shit and he had a bit of something so anyway different different day and this band exodus because i didn't know much about it and then i when we start when we started talking about this podcast i think that was uh kirk hammett that was like kirk hammer from italica started the band with Tom, the drummer. Yeah. Cameron. Yeah. He found Jesus. I loved him. And yeah, so yeah. And then, and now you have a new band, Generation Kill.

I started that band in 2008. I was doing it at the same time as Exodus. Yeah. But since I got fired from Exodus, now I just do that band. Yeah. How did you get, I want to ask how you got fired. How'd you get fired? It was basically,

so there's like a, there was like a nostalgia era thing coming back from like with Anthrax, bringing back the original singer. So X's did the same thing. Ah, they brought back the original. Yeah. That's better than getting fired.

Yeah, that happened. I was like, whenever they, whenever they like remake like guns and roses, they go guns and roses. Steven Adler's always like, you need me boys.

You're going to use the guy you used after me still. Okay. Well, I just, I went up and sang with him last week. I just played Phoenix and I went up and sang a song with him last week. Yeah. We're, we're buddies, man. It's all good. You know what I sang a song with him last week. Oh, yeah? We're buddies, man.

It's all good. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, here's what we're going to do. We're going to ask Jim questions about metal. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. It's hard. We're normally there on the screen like this, and I can't feel the vibes of you're an idiot. I feel like I'm going to embarrass myself. I don't think anybody's expecting you to know a lot about metal. I'm not a big metal head, but I've watched the heavier music. You've been to some festivals, right?

I've been to some festivals. I own the Black Album. Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to ask him some questions about metal. I used to live with a heavy metal guy. I used to live with a guy who was the drummer for, what was the, what was his name? No, Steve Hughes. He was a drummer?

He was a drummer for like, he started off with a band in Australia called Slaughterlord, right, which was like, always found it funny because in Slaughterlord, they tried to have all these gothic looking pictures. But in Australia you don't even, there's no old churches or gothic sort of architecture. Mortal Sin. Yeah, so it's just like, oh, yeah, Mortal Sin was the other band.

Yeah. And so it was always them standing in front of like a church built in the 1980s. Did they have their face painted white? Yeah, they did a bit of that and all that type of stuff. Yeah, yeah, they went for it. And also wearing all black in the Australian heat and then just sweating their fucking balls off.

But he became quite a famous comedian, Steve Hughes, and, yeah, I lived with him for years, so I used to hear a lot of metal just on loop, man. And you're friends with Kerry King? Friends with Kerry King, the Kings. They're the nicest people in the world. They're a lot of metal just on loop, man. And you're friends with Kerry King? Friends with Kerry King. The Kings, they're the nicest people in the world. They're so nice. Asia makes the fucking kick-ass cookie, man.

You go over there, that lady cooks for you. She's also just the most welcoming person on the planet. I was on Mushrooms, and she just made me feel so at home. I hung out with her at the Big Four in New York at the Yankee stadium. I hung out with her all day. Yeah. She's the best. Yeah.

I'm trying to remember the big four is I think I have it. It's one of the questions. A hundred percent. It's one of the fucking questions. Okay. Well, I'm going to ask you some questions. And then Rob,

you're going to grade them an accuracy zero through 10. Kelly's going to grade them on confidence. I'm going to grade them on et etc. We'll add those all together. If you score 21 through 30, Rain of Blood. That's a slayer. 11 through 20, Rain is a good thing. Luke Bryan, not metal. 0 through 10,

it's Raining Men, the Weather Girls. Definitely not metal. No, no, Rain in the Headlights. That's definitely not. That's a little niche inside joke for our podcast. Okay. Who started Heavy Metal? What do you mean, who's a little niche inside joke for our podcast. Okay. Who started heavy metal? What do you mean? Who started heavy metal?

I mean, you know, it had to start somewhere. The steel industry. You know what I mean? Like when you start saying, like, when did rock get heavier? Yeah. Like, there's got to be a point. What was like the. Like, what year was it?

Like, it's got to be a point. It's okay. So it would have started in any meaningful way, late, early 70s in any meaningful way. And we're talking like Alice Cooper would be sort of a thing to reference there. And then we're talking Black Sabbath. Can we go with Black Sabbath? Black Sabbath, that era in the 70s.

Because like in the 60s, they were getting offended because the Beatles wanted to hold each other's hands, right? They would look at these men with their bloody haircuts and they were just wearing bowl cuts. And that was like 1966 when they were still concerned about how long the Beatles' hair were. So it's definitely after that point. Yeah, I don't know the answer.

And then I'm going to say around 1971, 72, in any meaningful way, heavy metal started to form. Okay. We have the answer. So a lot of times our guests have the computer, but we'll read them back to you. Who is the biggest selling metal band of all time? Metallica.

Okay. What is the big four? Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth pantera okay and that's just it's like the the big four is the four yeah they were the four you know the father son yeah they were four bands that that defines yeah they define the the heavy metal scene as this is the and they would do tours and stuff like that. And then you'd put a bit of, you know, Dokken. Dokken. You whack Dokken in there. Who's the metal on metal band?

Fuck it, I saw that documentary. I don't know. The Canadian blokes. That's one of the best documentaries you'll ever see. The Canadian guys. Jack, what's the name of that band? Anvil. Anvil.

Fucking Anvil. That documentary's like, oh, yeah, look name of that band? Anvil. Anvil. Fucking Anvil. That documentary's like, oh, yeah, look, we got some bookings coming on, you know, for people who don't want to listen to Canadian heavy metal, but no one rocks harder than Anvil. How many genres of metal are there? Death metal. Uh-huh. Heavy metal.

Uh-huh. Thrash. Uh-huh. I would say that's your main three okay where was black metal started for black metal where was black metal started yeah i don't want to say you'll get in trouble okay what about was it was it a southern continent? What about thrash metal? Where was that started? I don't know. Death metal? Come on. Well, okay.

You got to- Remember, we met some metal guys in other countries, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I know- You remember? I know that heavy metal is very, very popular in Scandinavian countries. Remember the guys we met? And we went to their bar, their restaurant.

Oh, yeah, yeah. They were nice fellas. Remember the names? What was the name of the band? In Flames. In Flames. Yeah, we went to their bar. restaurant oh yeah yeah that were nice fellas man the name what was the name of the band in flames in fact yeah we went to their bar um 2112 very popular in scandinavian countries i won't say that it started in scandinavian countries i'm going to say that it did start in america all those things started in america but then you know like with any art form it was picked up and sort of uh you know uh what what do they call it fused i feel like

there's a huge scene it's huge scenes shandy was like i've been to some metal gigs in in like sweden and stuff like that and i also i went to a lot of them with steve sort of death medley type of uh things and there's always like there'll be everyone with their long hair thrashing their heads back and forth and then there'll just be like one tall blonde fella in like in like a fluorescent white hoodie that's every

metal gig I've ever been to that bloke's there not a lot of chicks not a lot of chicks no who began the leather and spikes look leather and spikes look yeah No, chicks, no. Who began the Leather and Spikes look? Leather and Spikes look? Yeah, yeah.

The views. Yeah, but see, this is the whole thing. Freddie Mercury did that long before heavy metal. I'm going to say Freddie Mercury did that. Okay. And he wasn't gay because he had a mustache. Who is the most famous heavy metal guitarist not named Kerry King? Oh, fuck. What's the name of the fucking guy in bloody Metallica?

Pass. I will know. This will come to me in a second. Okay. Is Kiss or Led Zeppelin heavy metal? No. I don't believe so. Okay.

That comes down to a preference thing. But you could, no, you can't sing Stairway to Heaven and call yourself heavy metal. And Kiss, fucking hell Kiss songs. Like I like Kiss enough, but I get it. You're all trying to have a good night. All their songs I could sing at nauseam. We're going to have fun and we're going to do it all night

and we're never going to sleep and we're having some fun. Okay. Yeah. That's all his songs. Yeah, and we should have some chicks, chicks, chicks, chicks fun. They're going to be 16. I'll tell you who's definitely not metal. Okay, so we're going to say hair metal.

Put that as another category. Hair metal. Hair metal. So I'll put a fifth category in there for hair metal put that as another category hair metal okay metal so so i'll put a fifth category in there for hair metal i fucking motley crew is not heavy metal and i will fight anyone who says it is people it's every single motley crew song could be covered by a boy band and you wouldn't fucking notice if you got one direction he's the one that called to feel good. He's the one that makes you feel all right. Kicks up my heart. Oh, yeah.

Baby. Smoking in the boys room. Yeah, yeah. These are fucking boy band songs. I don't care how big your dick is, mate. How many festivals are dedicated to metal? See, well, that would be be a lot but then there's ones that i think people see you could argue that like leeds and reading festival uh dedicated to

rock or heavier metal and glastonbury sort of dedicated to everything but then you have you know fucking let's just say specific metal just metal. But Ozzy Osbourne's tour would probably be- But I would say there's 80. 80. Let's just say metal. Just for metal. If you're talking about little tiny ones versus- Okay.

46. And like how many fans do you think show up like totally? There's the big ones and the little ones. Rob, help me with these questions. Rob's going to- Millions. Millions of people. Millions and-

I'll tell you what, I perform personally to about fucking quarter of a million people a year. Okay, so millions. So millions. You mentioned OzFest. What is that? It's Ozzy Osbourne's heavy metal festival that he has. And I've never understood him quite as well.

I like him, but I don't understand people who go, oh, Ozzy can sing. It's like he can hardly fucking talk, man. Yeah, but he could sing. Maybe he's older now. He still gives it a go. Yeah, I'm just saying back in the day. Yeah, I could sing back in the day.

Are you aware of the rumor? What, that he bit his head off a bat or that he's just a puppet that they fucking hold up? There's a guy behind a black screen actually doing the singing that he's just a puppet that they fucking hold up there's a guy behind a black screen actually doing the singing and he's just and he's there live watching it so he can still do the in-between song banter right but he's not he's singing with him and he sounds exactly like him now that's just a rumor i don't't know. Allegedly. It's allegedly. Here we go.

A member of what band got caught jerking off on a video and then sent it to fans? I know that Tommy Lee just flashed his dick in one of his Instagram posts, but that's not jerking off. A member in what band got caught jerking off and sent it to his fans? True question. All the bands. Oh, I know. I know. Crowded house didn't all have to be heavy metal did it hey now hey now cleaning jizz off

his shirt nilfin what is unique about the lead singer of the band life of agony um i'm gonna say And Life of Agony. I'm going to say it's a female singer in a death metal band, which is more rare-ish. Okay. I know that's not that unique, but I'm just trying to think of something that, because if you go, tattoo on his right thigh with a... I'm not going to know that. That's not very unique.

Female. I got my listen bands. You tell me if they're metal. Yeah. Rush. Rush is like wizardyy pokey type stuff right wizard is right yeah i think it's like progressive rock it's almost pogrocky um yeah so wizardy yeah so i would say they're punk rock band, but the people who are rush fans are definitely into metal. And so it's got a lot of crossover there.

Like I've never met a rush fan that doesn't have long hair. Okay. Kiss. We already, you said no already. Kiss is rock, but it's not metal, not metal.

Van Halen. Tough because that goes in the same category as the fucking other one. Jump. Jump. I'm so excited you just keep going, jump. No. Sure.

Okay, Metallica. Yes. Okay. Hypocrisy. Which one is that one? I don't know one i don't know i don't know sure yeah they're all bands though you're not just yeah these are all bands yeah okay at the gates oh that's gotta be metal you don't even know it yeah because they're showing up at the gate Okay, okay. Golden Earring. That's a pirate band.

I know who this band is. No, not metal. Okay. Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden's metal. Okay, Led Zeppelin, you said now, right? I don't believe Led Zeppelin is, no. Slayer.

Slayer, yes, 100%. Anal Cunt. Oh, they sang ballads, didn't they? Anal Cunt was they sang ballads didn't they Anal Cunt was the original name for the Beatles yeah Anal Cunt you are thinking

of a new special name they're yes they are Bianca my ex-girlfriend told me a story about them the other day

oh that's a long band name she's in the metal she's in the metal and she used to listen to them when she was a kid but she didn't know that Anal and Cunt

was a bad word she was so little she didn't know that anal and cunt was a bad word. She was so little. She didn't know. And she kept saying anal cunt. And then one of her teachers were like, stop saying those words. And then the teacher realized that she didn't know those were bad words. She goes,

it's just anal cunt. It's a bad, like anyways, uh, here's another band leftover crack. Nah, they'd be a hip hop band. Okay.

Bad religion. No, they're a little light. I'm going to say no. You know that, right? Yeah. And then poison. Poison. Hair.

Hair. No. Every rose has its thorn. Yeah, they're like. And also, mate, we all know you're fucking bald Like, fuck it Who are you fucking fooling? The rock of love was such a good joke

Do you want to know why we know he's bald? It's because when he was in a coma They released one photo of him And he's wearing the bandana with the hair Like, it's very clear the bandana's a hat And I'm all for it as a balding man myself i'm all for it but it's like it's like obviously his wife came in and went oh you won't like the photo without the hat because there's no time in the icu they're like make sure your

coverage but that was a photo shot if ever i fucking heard it put on the bandana or he's in fucking hospital dying anyway good to know that you're doing well, Brett. All right, Rob. How did he do on his knowledge of metal, 0 through 10? 10's the best. He did. He got seven of the first questions. Oh, yeah?

Yeah. Seven, and he got seven of the bands. Pretty good. That's a 14 out of 20. Yeah. 14 out of 20. You're going to give him a seven? Yeah. All right, not bad. Seven. How are you doing 20. Yeah. 14 out of 20. You're going to give him a 7? Yeah.

Alright, not bad. 7. How are you doing confidence? Yeah, I actually was surprised at how confident you were through these answers. So I'm going to give you an 8. You did better than I thought. I'm just going to give you a 10. Rain of blood. Thanks, everyone. Yeah, Gary. Alright. So,

who started heavy metal? He said the steel industry. Then he said Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, early 70s, 1971. Do we know who started heavy metal? Black Sabbath, 1970. Wow. They're credited with it? Yeah.

Really? Nice work, Jim. You know how, do you know Malcolm Gladwell, the 10,000 hours Beatles thing? Black Sabbath played the Reeper the Reaper on the same area. And they did more hours in the Beatles in less time before they recorded their album. The first album was recorded in eight hours. Wow.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Say that again. So wait, the 10,000, they played live? For people who don't know what that is. The 10,000 thing is you become an expert. If you do anything for 10,000 hours, you'll become an expert in something. And the Beatles did the Cabin Club, but then they also went up to Hamburg

and did these places like six hours a night or whatever. And by the time they came back and they bring out their first single, these guys were just so good at being a band. Yeah, yeah. And he's saying that Black Sabbath did more. Did more. They played from 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. every day, seven days a week for six months straight. Wow.

I like that. And so before then, there was like no band sounding like that. No, there were little hints of it. But you got to remember, this is Vietnam. This is everyone was singing happy, happy, happy, love, love, love. And then they came in and said, nah, we're from Birmingham. There's shit in the world and death and all this in war. And that's how they took their, how they did it.

They took their name from a movie. First they were called Earth and they were doing heavier stuff, but there was nothing like them. And if you go to Birmingham, the only communication you want to have with people from Birmingham is music. You don't want them to talk to you. The accent is very irritating. So to get a

point across, you have to somewhat sing it. My best friend's from Middlesbrough, and his accent was even worse. Middlesbrough's not bad. The majority's fine. When his accent was, when I first met him, I mean,

30 years ago. Oh, no, no. Everyone thinks that Ozzy Osbourne has brain damage. No, he's just from Birmingham. Do you know that band, The Cardigans? Yeah. They're like, love me, love me. They're Norwegian, I'm pretty sure.

And on every single one of their albums, they do a Black Sabbath cover, which is probably the Norwegian metal influence or something. They do like the Sunday Bloody Sabbath. They do Iron Man. Like every single album, they do a Black Sabbath cover. But I'm sure it's like that. But there's such a poppy like.

It's like anyways, there's probably some connection there. Yeah. When I said, okay, so I denial the question. I didn't get the year right. It's like Black Sabbath. You said 71. You were here right there. Yeah. When I said, okay, so I didn't nail the question. I didn't get the year right. You said 71.

You were a year right there. Early 70s, 71. When did Alice Cooper come in? And was he? He was like 73. And was that considered metal? It was like a show many shit. No, it was shock.

So we'll come back to this in the genre question, but he was more like a shock rock, they called it. I only ask this because I have a alice cooper story uh so i was i was uh the host of the enemy music awards back it was being streamed on myspace this is like 15 years ago right so and i had no profile in america and i did it for fucking they said they were going to give me a gift they didn't give me shit and i didn't have joke writers or whatever but i had to do like literally it was like uh so i i i i did a um uh one of the presenters was alice cooper and he came up with the top hat and the makeup and a cane and all they look just like alice cooper you want to see him right and so on the screen he goes and

the nominees for band of the year are and because it's always like britain it was like oasis blur pulp like this is how long ago it was like this right and then the screen just went and just stopped like that a technical thing and i just hear my earpiece uh can you pad for a minute and i'm like talk about fucking what, right? And so I'm standing next to Alice Cooper and I go, and I remembered him being interviewed once and I said, didn't you meet Elvis? And he was doing a gig in Vegas and in like 1976 he met Elvis, right? And so he was a young fellow and, you know, and so he looked at me

because he was panicking as well and he's like yes yes i didn't meet elvis i didn't meet elvis like this right and then it was like he goes so i was in the the las vegas hotel and i was walking around and then i saw this guy in a big collar and a scarf around his neck and he was walking down the hallway and then the thing behind us goes the arctic monkeys and alice cooper just leans over and goes anyway he pulled a gun on me so i can't remember what's in the middle of that story but then i know the ending in the beginning all right uh who is the biggest selling metal band of all time? Jimson Metallica. By a mile. Yeah, by a mile.

By a mile. Yeah, that makes sense. By a mile. It was the first sort of album that I remember non-metal heads buying as well when we were in school. So I was 14 or something when the Black Album came out, and it was a big deal. Jabroni started coming to concerts.

Before that, metal shows were just jabroni jabroni's okay i thought it was like you think of like maniara revere uh and like him walking out the end of the sandman and and now even my kids like little league games, we have Metallica songs playing as the kids walk out. There wasn't any sportsman that came out to rain a blood or anything like that at that stage. Well, I remember I didn't know who Metallica was, and then I had two friends and my two brothers, and then they took me to the Monsters of Rock concert.

It was the first Monsters of Rock ever. With Van Halen. Van Halen was the headliner, and it was Scorpions. Scorpions. Dokken. Dokken, Metall headliner and it was scorpions scorpions docking docking metallica and it was kingdom come king uh king x kingdom king x or kingdom it was john bottom son span that might have been king to come it was kingdom come yeah oh maybe they were first i remember they were i remember they were first and metallica was second it was it was right injustice for all that album. I didn't know

anything about Metallica. I didn't know anything about, only bands I knew was the Scorpions and Van Halen. I didn't really know. I was like, okay, cool. I'll see you. I remember Metallica came out. I didn't know anything about them. I just remember seeing them live and it was at the Orange Bowl in Miami. It doesn't even exist anymore. It was packed. I just remember watching

them being like, this is fucking amazing. The place went bananas. And they were not famous yet. That was right when they were starting to become. It was an album for the Bible. But I remember just watching them. You watch them and you're like, this band's like. And the Scorpions came out.

I mean, Dokken came out. And they should have just left. Because they came out and they're like, hey, guys, we're here. And everyone's like, all right, yeah, we're going to go get some drinks and stuff. And I was like, yeah, guys, good luck today. And everyone's like, all right, yeah, we're going to go get some drinks and stuff. And I was like, yeah, guys, good luck today. Docker, man. It rhymes with rocking. They had no shot.

They had no shot. One of my favorite memories of Legit was so I had this sitcom, and we had this guy called Nick Daly. And Nick played a character called Rodney in the show. And Nick just loved old school rock music. But he maybe has the mind of like a seven-year-old or something like that. He's got some developmentational problems, right? Anyway, so Nick, the one stage we had John Ratzenberg,

Cliff Clavin from Cheers, right? And he was writing a diagram about as you go on in a relationship, you get more, less blowjobs, but it costs you more. And he wrote this whole graph up and stuff like that, right? And then Nick got bored doing the whole thing, right, and he wrote something on the whiteboard, and John was still standing in front of it. This is all that happens, right?

Nick got bored doing the take and went up on the board and wrote something. And we were sitting there in the take, and we go, so what are you trying to tell us? And he moves out of the way way and he reads off the board. He goes, well, darkened rocks. That's what Nick had written. That's what Nick had written.

Darkened rocks. Nick had just woke up and had written darkened rocks. That's funny. That's funny. All right, so what is the big four? Is it Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Pantera, the four bands that define the heavy metal scene? Scorpion.

Anthrax. Anthrax. Wait, so it's Metallica, Slayer. Megadeth, Anthrax. Megadeth, Anthrax. Yeah. So it's the four bands. Those are the, what is it?

They call it the big four. What is that? It was a whole tour where they just toured those four bands, and they called them the big Four because they originated metal. And everyone's like Exodus should have been the Big Five. Exodus should have been five because they were there at the beginning with Metallica creating. Basically, they stole one of the guitar players from Exodus

to create Metallica. Yeah. It's basically like the Redneck tour. Yeah. The blue-collar tour. The blue-collar tour. It's the Jabroni tour you might be in the middle if you yeah okay and so it's still tours now you're saying or it's no the last

one they did was in uh la that was right before jeff haneman passed away that was the okay and i think they did one more in new york and then that was flash idk all right and then how many genres of metal are there jim this is is what Jim named death heavy thrash then he said black and hair after we yeah it's endless there's pirate metal

there is pirate metal but there's now there's black pirate metal what's pirate metal thrash pirate metal where they dress like fucking pirates and sing about pirate things. What about that? They have a boat on stage, and they jump around.

I'm not even fucking kidding. What about those ones where they all dress up like they're in Halloween? Exactly. What is that one called? Guar. Guar, yeah, that's a good one, yeah. They're a metal band. They're just metal.

Yeah, they're like Scorch. They're thrash metal because their music is actually thrash metal, but they're like the epitome of shock metal, you would call it. It's genies, though, the outfits and stuff. I'm a metal guy, but I'm not an expert. So I don't know everything, but I know enough. You know more than us. That's why you're here.

We know an expert's only the person who has the most knowledge in the room. Yeah, yeah. But wait, so what? But are you a purist, though? Like, what do you consider, like? There's a thing called crab metal. We're talking there's thousands and thousands of genres. What's the crab one?

Crab metal, they stand, like, with their legs straight apart, and their instruments are down by the floor, and they walk around on stage sideways like crabs i'm not even kidding okay so i'm not even kidding and who's the big four crab metal exactly there's a long gun so then so then there's like these all these offshoots of everything so there's like you know norwegian black metal and swedish black metal and then there's i mean it's just it's just they're always creating more and more it's like uh it's just a never-ending but There's Norwegian black metal and Swedish black metal. They're always creating more and more.

It's just a never-ending. But what does black metal mean? I know this podcast is going to get a lot of angry people. Oh, yeah. I've learned something about the metal community. Oh, yeah. They have no sense of humor. I used to find metal people to be sort of outcast-y type people. It always drew me to them.

I'm always like, yeah, grow your fucking hair and wear black nail polishes, have a bit of fun. I don't give a fuck. But as soon as you see a pentagram of someone's profile picture, oh, you're angry about something. You're going to tell me off for some view I have isn't the right fucking view. Yeah, people are going to argue, oh, Sabbath isn't the first. There's going to be some weird band from 68 that they heard about first.

Like, I know, but that's not, I mean. Yeah. I mean, it's a never-ending argument. And what is music? There's always going to be an opinion. Yeah, and they don't have a good sense of humor, dude. No. You know.

Well, Kerry King came on our show and we were talking about incels and he came over and played guitar and he got a bit of grief, he did, I think, from the incel. Fuck you. I don't fuck chicks and you should be sympathetic to that. Oh, my God. But what's black metal? I don't even know what the difference between black and thrash.

So black metal. Okay, so black metal was a band called Venom and they were from England. It wasn't Liverpool, was it? I don't remember exactly where from in england might in birmingham also but um they they wore leather and they sang about satan and that was like the beginning of that and then there were there were a few other bands but venom was the first one to do it and newcastle says they're from newcastle okay yeah so then and then they

and they sang specifically about like their biggest one of their biggest songs was Buried Alive. They were talking, like, it just went real dark. And then that was an offshoot of, like, Norway. Then they went fucking crazy, started burning churches. Is Slade a metal band? Slayer? Oh, Slade? No, they were a hair band, man.

Who's Slade? I love Slade. They were, like, an 80s. Slade's the other big band from Birmingham, and it's got a guy called Nobby Holder, which is his name. Right? And now he does Nobby's Nuts commercials. Yeah.

And you'll know one song. You'll know one of their songs. They had a Christmas song. Oh, you're hanging on. They have a Christmas song in Britain that does very well. But you'll know. So come on, feel the noise, girls. I thought that was.

They redid it. That's a cover. It's a cover song that was who did that quiet riot quite right yeah but it's still a heavy metal man it's still a banger that song though oasis do a cover as well whenever that song comes on you go all right they were the originals they were the originals slade wrote it originally yeah wow and they got ripped yeah okay oh they had a big hit in the uk with it yeah yeah but that used to be the thing you'd have a big hit in the uk and then albums just weren't shipped over you know what i mean like you didn't you had to get someone who wanted to press them for you in america or whatever and then so people used to sell their songs on didn't they so they would have gotten a fair amount of cash off it that's how i found all my records i would go to the city would always have uh European

imports we'd always get English imports and even like early ACDC stuff came from Australia the original Dirty Deeds that I had had a completely different cover of the one that was released in the states and it was like a year before okay so that brings us to ACDC please don't tell me they're not metal they're a rock band dude I don't know but they're the best they're the best they're the dude. I know, but they're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're my favorite band of all time. The second favorite band of all time. Yeah, because I don't feel like they're metal.

They're rock and roll. Okay, I would say they're heavy rock. Yeah. Yeah. Makes you want to drink and punch somebody in the face. All this. Okay, so what I bitched about Kiss was, oh, we're going to have a fun time.

Okay, ACDC does the same thing. Just tells you you're going to rock. Yeah. And we're going have a fun time okay acdc does the same thing just tells you you're gonna rock yeah and we're gonna fucking salute you there might be a chick involved and i'm gonna rock all fucking night but they do it perfect yes they do you go to one of their concerts it's such a good fucking cannons for those about to rock we sell you like this is brilliant thunderstruck as well is like when I put my kid on fucking when he walked out to baseball, I put Thunderstruck out on him. He's like, Dad, what are you thinking? But other dads looked at me like solid choice.

What did he want? He wanted gang and style or some viral bit of bullshit. ACDC is one of the greatest bands of all time. Yeah. And there's a lot of debate whether they're Australian or not. I consider them to be Australian because they started off in Perth. They were from Scotland. They were from Scotland.

They immigrated when they were like five. And that's the same. The Bee Gees is another argument. I don't know what your opinion of the Bee Gees are. I love them. I love the Bee Gees. I love them. The early Bee Gees stuff before the disco.

Death metal. It's fucking right up there, man. It's right up there. But anyway, so the BG started out in Australia, but they immigrated as well. So Australia's got a lot of things like that. Like Mel Gibson was born in America but immigrated when he was five. We claim anyone.

You come over, you spend a day there, you're Australian. Was Bon Scott, was he Scottish originally? I believe so, but I saw a thing on them that they wanted to have, they were very close to having John Paul Young as the singer, and he went on to have a big hit with, Love is in the air. Which is a big hit with Strictly Ballroom and all that type of stuff. It was a big hit around the world, right?

But it would have been a very different band. Yeah. Thrash metal. What's up with that? Where did that start? What does that mean, thrash metal? What's up with that where did that start what does that mean thrash metal was Metallica listen to Larry King over here what's up with that

it was specifically a it came out of San Francisco it was because Metallica relocated from LA to San Francisco because of their bass player originally it was called thrash metal and then It was because Metallica had relocated from LA to San Francisco because of their bass player. Originally, it was called Thrush Metal. Right.

And then, according to a few of the people, it was because everyone was doing so much speed at the time, recreationally, that it just was basically just Iron Maiden. Now, everyone's on methamphetamines and and uh and just speeded everything up and played faster and it just became thrash metal that's i like that you specified recreation okay so if acdc they're heavy rock and they're not really teetering on heavy metal i guess so the ramones you would put the same there. Punk rock. Punk rock. Okay. Yeah. But they fucking, they kicked ass, but for just two and a half,

two minutes. Yeah. Three chords. Every song was two minutes long and it fucking rocked. Yeah. And then it was over. 40 minutes. They were tired.

That's for 40 minutes. Let's go. You know what I mean? Like they fucking went for it. Their concerts must have been like 25 minutes. 40 minutes. That's it. The concerts are 40 minutes. Yep know what I mean? Like they fucking went for it. Their concerts must have been like 25 minutes. 40 minutes. That's it. The concerts are 40 minutes?

Yep. Oh my gosh. So have a bit of a chat in between the songs. Nope. Never did. What's up guys? Thanks for coming out.

That's how Billy Connolly started out in comedy. He just was playing in a band and he used to chat in between and people started showing up for the chat more than the music. Oh shit. Yeah.

I love that guy. And then Death Metal. Where did that start? Florida. Florida? Oh, yeah. That's where Forrest is from. Started in Florida.

Yeah. Was there a specific band that it started with? Death. Was the band called Death? Yeah. Yeah. Now, that's the- They created their own-

So, the nuances of metal, there's nuances in it that like only people that really love it would be able to tell the difference. Otherwise to the layman, a regular person, it's just a bunch of noise. Right. But death and a couple other bands had a distinct way of doing the rhythms and the drums that they just created. Like a, they're a little offshoot of it wasn't thrash it wasn't heavy metal it wasn't sabbath it was something a little different and they just coined it another genre of death metal and it but it has a specific sound to it it's not the one where the lyrics

that like is really intelligible yeah well they sing real low like cannibal corpse but there was also the music was was different than everything else that was going on. I'm not a big fan of the dance. Me neither. Me neither. It's like you're going, I'm a scary monster. Come on down to shake the neighborhood. Yeah.

I have a friend, Matt Z. He's a comedian. I don't know if he's still doing comedy, but he did. I used to do some gigs with him on the road. And he tried to make me listen to a band. It was death metal. And he goes, no, but they have a good message it's like a environmental message and it was he played me some death metal i was just like he's like this is like overfishing of the ocean and i'm like there's no way i just remember this popped in my head but i just remember the name of the band that steve hughes is in where i went and saw him on

tour when he stopped doing comedy for six months. Primordial. There you go. By the way, you're on his Wikipedia page. I just accidentally landed on your name and your thing popped up. We had a home invasion together, yeah. Did you have to hatch it through the window? Yeah.

No shit. Yeah, yeah. Fucking Steve hanging out with his bloody metal head. I'm trying to remember the band Shandy was in, too. Shandy was in one, yeah. Yeah, because Shandy's tours, Jim, throughout Europe and Asia. Gosh, he was a drummer in a band. I don't remember, but he looks like the guy, too.

He lives in Norway now. He's married to kids over there, but he's from Texas. And he wasn't. Yeah, anyways, I'm like, I remember. You're like an old lady telling you this is about a relative. Oh, I'm a tire. You know, your cousin. Your cousin.

He's got a dent in his head. Who began the leather and spikes look? Freddie Mercury? Why not? I mean, you're not wrong. He was wearing more spandex than anything else. I mean, I could be wrong, but it was Judas Priest. They came out in the full leather spikes.

And this was 1975. Would it be fair to say then, because I was on the right course with Freddie, because it's sort of that like cliche, the oyster bar homosexual look of the leather and the leather hats and the leather tie and that Judas Priest. So I'm going to go back and say the gays did it. Yes.

Yeah. Well, he was copying what the- I'm not saying that derogatory. I'm just saying that was the look in sort of punk gay communities. So I was in Grants Village in in the mid 70s walking down the street with my mom and i remember seeing it but i didn't know what it was at this time like i knew i saw them on their harleys and the leather and spikes i saw them they just we just but we were walking through uh the village and we had crossed to we went between the cars to cross the street and around halfway down the block and

as we were walking uh i was about i was about seven and right in the middle of the road is a 12 inch dildo with a bite taken out of the middle like a shark had bitten it like that in uh in jaws when the when the raft floats up yeah and i remember my mom, we just kind of like did one of these around it and then it was never spoken about. I'll never fucking forget it. Yeah, that was his core story. That was his like- Core memory.

No, like superheroes become. Origin. Origin. Without the bitten dildo, he'd be doing John Denver covers. Was that an Exodus song? It was like dildo, he'd be doing John Denver covers. Was that an Exodus song? It was like dildo bite. I remember my dad used to take us down to King's Cross when I was a kid,

when we were at the fireworks. And King's Cross used to be a super seedy area. Now it's very gentrified, families and stuff. But in Sydney, it was where all the brothels were and all the strip clubs were, and there'd be needles on the road and stuff like that. And my dad would walk down. I have a distinct memory of me walking down the street

when I was about five or six years old with my dad down Kings Cross and he's like, you know, look away, look, you know, don't dawdle, stand near me like that. And then my dad goes, you see that woman over there? It's not a woman. And that's blowing my mind as a kid. What the fuck's going on? Yeah.

You know, New York was the same way, man. Who is the most famous heavy metal guitarist not named Kerry King? You passed on this, Jimmy. You said you're going to know it when you hear it. Yeah. I would say James Hetfield. Yeah. From Metallica.

Or Kirk Hammett. Like that. Yeah. And Kiss or Led lads up and not heavy metal no you're right on that they're not yeah okay so this one do we know how many festivals are dedicated to metal 71 dedicated to strictly metal i was close to beginning so he said 46 i'm like i gave it to him he said 80 so then but I said 88 first. So then, but like, so there are like, I played festivals with like The Killers and then like Guns of Rose. It's like there was a mixture of a bunch of festivals that have everything. But there are strictly just, there's just metal.

My tour manager for my Australian tour is Michael Oberg, a great guy. He would tour manage just two things, the killers and me, right? And I was always like, so if he wasn't on a killer's trip, he'd tour manage me. And this is the height of my drinking and all that type of stuff. And I remember thinking how piss weak my show is, just one bloke and a microphone and a chair on stage, no lighting cues, nothing like that, right?

No big production fucking things, right? So we're going around Australia and I said to Michael, I said, fuck, this must be easier than doing the fucking killers. And he goes, no, they don't keep me awake till four. He was like, this is way worse for me. I love that band. I actually went at that festival we played with them, I went and watched, and then I had coffee with the guy, the singer, after the show.

Brandon Fletcher. What a fucking awesome dude, man. We had a really nice time. They were great live. We got to see them at Staples. We got to see them at Staples. We went backstage, and they fucking had casino stuff set up, like a rule at will and stuff, just for people who were coming backstage.

Sushi, all sorts of shit. Yeah, yeah. Fun times. I had a gig in Portland this weekend. It was like a rule up well and stuff like this for people who are coming backstage sushi all sorts of shit yeah yeah fun times I had a gig in Portland this weekend it was like a big theater it was like 3,000 people or something and I went backstage

and normally there's a fridge and a few things and bits and pieces like that and backstage there was an esky that could just fit a human skull in it

let's say this bowling ball right esky like this what do you call it and all I had was a Dr. Pepper a fucking water water, and a Red Bull. I think I've already mentioned it in the podcast.

I'm still angry about it. The Patreon, yeah. A member of what band got caught jerking off on video and then sent it to fans? Crowded House is not the right answer, I don't think. Hey, now. Hey, now. This was recent.

Yeah, what band was it? It was Megadeth. So he did it on purpose, or then he got caught and then just said let's run with it well there's like a backstory he's a pastor they always are he's a pastor and he's like

you know I'm not going to say holier than thou but he pretty much acted that way in the world and then uh he sent he had this young 18 year old girl he was sending and it hit twitter at like one o'clock in the morning that's my accident she sent it to me and the first thing i open up is his fucking dick coming all over the camera i'm like you fuck and then i closed my phone and then I went to sleep and I woke up in the morning. And when I turned my phone,

I was, it was right there again, as soon as I woke up. But he, but Dave Ellison did this and he, he had a, was, you know,

like I said, a pastor and he'll do that. We had a wife, two kids and, and they kicked him out of the band. And. Oh, wow.

He's out of the band. Oh, they, they, they rerecorded his base. He'd already finished the album. They took him off of it and rerecorded it with somebody else. He's out of the band. They re-recorded his bass. He'd already finished the album. They took him off of it and re-recorded it with somebody else. It's, yeah.

As far as you can do that, you're not off the tour. Okay. If anything, you'd have the tour a bit of spice. Sell some tickets. I've already asked, so metal used to be dangerous, but it's not anymore. I want my shows to be like freak shows. Come and see the masturbating bear.

I can juggle. Hey, how you going? I can pass along the information of the guy who's DM'd me a picture of him coming onto an iPad. If you need any supporting acts. Is he funny? I don't know. The video was funny to me. What did he come on the iPad?

What was it? Fucking dumb and dumber or what was it? There was nothing on the screen. I think he funny to me. What did he come on the iPad? What was it? Fucking Dumb and Dumber or what was it? There was nothing on the screen. I think he was showing me how much money he had that he didn't care that he was about to soil his iPad. I can't remember. There was a comic back in the 90s when laptops were just like, he goes, oh, I've got a screensaver for my computer.

It's a bit of cling film. What is unique about the lead singer of the band Life of Agony? You're pretty close. You said it's a female singer in a death metal band. But what is it, Ron? Yeah, it used to be a man. He's transgender. He had a complete sex change, but still sings.

So it was a man, then became a woman. Well, Forrest, I don't see anything weird about that. I said unique. I didn't say weird. I don't see anything unique about it either. As a gender fluid person. You are? Sure.

Okay. You wouldn't think that. Well, well i mean the fans are still supporting the band right now there's she's awesome anything i think that would be like the selling point for the yeah yeah yeah she's awesome i just think that uh you yeah you you would think that if you had like hormone therapy for it though it would affect your voice for the death metal band i guess but it's not it's not that it's not death metal but it's guess, but... It's not that... It's not death metal, but it's definitely... She sounds like, you know, like me.

I mean... Life of Agony is a great name. To talk to her, does she have a talking voice like that or does she raise her voice up for the talk? Raises her voice up when she talks. She's very sweet. She's very nice.

I thought the unique part was somebody who, like, didn't think that... Thought life was pretty good. Elite singer of Life of Agony. Like, I really enjoy life, actually. I tell you, a great death metal song,

I cut my dick off. That's right now. I'm already like, I'm in. What are the lyrics? I cut my dick off. I cut my dick off. You got it. Yeah, that's the song.

Yeah. I think you did pretty good. Off, off, off. I think you did pretty good in the list of bands. Rush is not metal. Kiss, no. Van Halen, Metallica, yes. Apocrisy, sure.

Golden Earring, Pirate Band. Look, I didn't even know there was Pirate Metal bands. Yeah. Well, no, Golden Earring, yeah, they're not a pirate band. Raid Our Love. That's from like the 60s. They're like the 60s. Raid Our Love.

Ding, ding. Yeah. And then let's go. Have we got any from australia that have done anything wait leftover crack is not a hip-hop no they're uh uh punk band like a so they don't care you know cunts more punk than silver chair no i'm not a little no i think no. They're like... Like the argument grunge, but I feel like Puma Massacre is a grunge. There's no metal Australian bands?

There are. No, no, there are. I just can't think of any right now. But I've been over there on tour and I've toured with them and... The Seagull Wombats. Right? There's a band called the Wombats. It's a band called the Seagull Wombats. Right? Seagull Wombats. There's a band called the Wombats. It's heavy metal.

It says Alchemist, Armored. These are old bands. Blood Duster. Midnight Oil sounds like a metal band's name. When you're like Midnight Oil is the name of a band? Frankenbach. Blood Duster. I don't know if any of these bands are going to be a bit, you know,

behind Crimson Eyes, Bleak Solitude, a gazillion angry Mexicans. We had a lot of grunge. We had a lot of grunge bands that did, you know, Powderfinger and Silverchair and all this stuff. We had bands. I don't know. In the 90s, we did all right. So do you have, what's like any crazy tour stories that you have?

Like you've got to have some pretty. All right, so I'm in a hotel. I just imagine. No, I just imagine. I got high and ordered two pizzas late. All of it. Naked in front of a mirror. Just calling myself a piece of shit.

That is the story. That is, but it's two plates of sushi. I ate two plates of sushi. Yeah. Yeah. I only really, I was, I thought about it.

I was like, Oh, I mean, there's so many, but I have one that's was really, this pops in my head. I was in Sweden. It was the last show of the tour.

And I had been wearing the same clothes for two months. Like I wore, I had like stage clothes. So what I months. Like I wore, I had like stage clothes. So what I would do is I would have two shirts, exactly the same and two shorts, exactly the same. And, uh, I would just every other night I'd wear those clothes and me and the guitar player had a bed who could go the longest without showering. Um, so, so are you on a bus? Yeah, so are you on a bus? yeah we're on a bus

fun for you, horrible for the groupies everybody hit us right so we went 22 days didn't your dick have issues no you get to wipe your dick down you were allowed to baby wipe your balls in your dick

in armpits I didn't know this was a sanctioned competition. You just couldn't wash your hair. No showers, couldn't wash your hair, and you had to wear the same clothes. So at the end of the tour, it was the last show. I took all my clothes off and I threw them into the crowd. Shoes, socks, underwear. show i took all my clothes off and i threw them into the crowd um shoes socks so stiff right but they're soaking wet they're soaking wet and i i so i threw my shoes out in my shorts and

i was standing there naked and i had my socks on you're naked on stage totally yeah i just fucking so right so um i was standing i i took my socks away my balls have been wiped out everybody and i threw i threw them on the stage i didn't throw them out in the took my socks off. My balls have been wiped out. And I threw I threw them on the stage. I didn't throw them out in the crowd. My socks are like nobody wants my socks. Right. And this one dude goes, give me those socks. I'm like, dude, you don't want the socks.

He's going to use them for chloroform. I throw him the sock and he he fucking took it and into his mouth no i'm not even kidding straight to jail everyone saw it my whole band was they all started we all started dry heaving and uh and i was like sweet as fuck man fuck them out okay so there was a bachelor party uh with some strippers and stuff like that back in the day this is like 2003 and there's a Canadian comic hysterical guy, Mike Wilmot, one of the funniest comics ever. Just does cock jokes for the most part. He's solid

like a tight fucking 20. Anyway, so Mike's there and Mike at this stage is in his mid-50s or whatever and the stripper fucking takes his glasses off like this and she puts one arm in her pussy and one arm in her asshole

and then she makes him pucker like back and forth like this. Then she pulls him out and she licked off both handles and she put him back on his face and they were just sitting crooked like this, crooked like this. And we were all sort of like going, what the fuck? And they're sitting crooked like this and he goes, I'm sure that was great but i didn't see any of it yeah it's fucking funny are we allowed to shut i had the clip of of rob i don't know if we can

show it is it possible or i have to show my computer i don't want to be rude mate but you don't crowd surf, do you? No, but I have. Good, good. Just wanted to make sure. I have. I've had opportunities so many times in my life at different festivals and stuff like before that, and I can't. I don't have the balls.

Yeah. I freak out doing that, like that Kurt Cobain just jumping into the crowd. Yeah. When I was skinnier, I did it. I haven't got it in me. When I was skinnier, I did it. I haven't got it in me. When I was skinnier, I did it. I don't do it anymore. Yeah.

I don't want to hurt people. I'm 215 pounds. I don't think I should be just leaping into a crowd of people, you know? Yeah. There you go. There you go. You always wear shorts? Yes. He doesn't wash, man.

I wore those shorts because they told me people in Germany don't like when Americans are patriotic. So I ran back to the bus and put those on How many years into the band are you here? They're running around in a circle here That's the circle pit Is that a common thing thing the circle pit? Yes Now how's the CTU in your community? Probably pretty bad. No like seriously because I Thrashing their head from the CTE

CTE, so sorry sorry counter-terrorist you probably probably Pretty bad probably next are Necks are really... Everyone's having neck surgeries now. All the older guys. Yeah, because seeing people like, thrash, thrash, thrash their head, and I'm always like, I did it a couple of times at concerts,

and Steve thought, I'll give this a go. It hurt. I remember going into a mosh pit. My friend just ruptures Achilles. He's in his late 40s because he went to his friend to some rock festival

and went to a mosh pit. He's a fucking moron. But I remember doing them when I was younger and I didn't really know why I was doing them, but it was fun. It is fun, but there's always some fuckwit in there who's just trying to hurt people rather than just jump around. He's like

straight up punching rather than like a dance sort of maneuver. My bass player banged her later that day. All right. Rewind it a bit. Let's check her out. Wait, what are you doing now, Rob? Oh, here we go.

Here we go. Someone's about to dive in. Can you ask him nicely, Rob? Yeah, right. What's with all the health and safety going on? Just fucking jump in there, Rob. I Ask him nicely The health and safety going on this back and jump in there Rob And I think it's being health and safety probably kill them on that side Holy shit, man, you're causing, you're shit stirring!

Oh my god! Oh my goodness! There's two walls of people running into each other now. That was Games of Thrones man! Very dangerous. Yeah. drones man very dangerous yeah alright there we go that's what

like as you said not many chicks in the audience but the girls who are there they're all about it they're all about it that's why

that's the thing is with my career it's always like you don't meet women at Jim Jefferies shows. But if you do, they're fun girls. All right. This is part of the show, Dinner Party Facts. We ask our guest, I don't know, do I use it up

or do you have something for us? I got one. I can't get over that. Think about what happened with Travis Scott and all that type of stuff. No one got hurt. What was that? It's called the wall of death. The wall of death.

Yeah. If you're listening at home, what just happened, by the way, was you divided the crowd. Literally 200 people on each side running into each other at full power. Yeah. You can go to YouTube and watch it. That's when you go and watch. And the request was kill each other. Well, you said motherfuckers. You're on this side. You can go to YouTube and watch it. That's when you go and watch it. And the request was, kill each other. Well, he said, motherfuckers, get on this side, you get on this side, and then kill each other.

And they do it at every show. Like, every show that was happening. So you said you like the killers. And they're flipping you off, too. I'm a mutual respecter. The killers are very soft rock, really. I don't listen to metal. Believe that or not.

I mean, I do from time to time, but I rarely put it on on purpose. It usually happens to be on and all. All right. So kicking back, what's your five bands? Pink Floyd. I'm going to say in the night. That's Forrest. Pink Floyd is my favorite band of all time.

ACDC. Queen. I love Queen. Clutch. the night that's for us it's my favorite band of all time um acdc yeah queen i love queen um clutch like a rock band from virginia i remember clutch a very very cool band and i'm gonna have to go with the the beastie boys i love the beastie boys did you watch the documentary yeah fantastic the book is brilliant too you've seen you got the book i haven't seen the book the book is Yeah. It's fantastic. The book is brilliant, too. You got the book? I haven't seen the book. The book is killer because it's got all these great pictures from the very beginning. A lot of stuff was Spike Jonze took with a regular camera

that they put inside the book as you're reading along. It's very cool. I did a record with Daryl, run DMC, Daryl McDaniel. So DMC and I, he asked me to write a song with him for his solo record. And then it just kind of morphed into the bunch of songs. And we, we did a bunch of songs and he rapped and I sang like rock and we just had a great time. It was fucking cool. And then, yeah,

something a little different than I do. Do you write the music? I write all the lyrics and I orchestrate the music. So my guitar players send me riffs and then I kind of like, oh, make this the chorus, make this the verse, do that, blah, blah. And we kind of do that together. So do you ever accidentally write a ballad and go, no. I have soft songs.

I have a song called Opia, Thein' Four Masses on the new record It's mellow the whole way It's a really mellow song Will the ballad fuck my skull? Yeah Gently It's a half ballad Half the song's about it

It's called There Is No Hope It's about the end of mankind Alright so this is our Dinner Party Fact Segment It's called There Is No Hope. It's about the end of mankind. So, yeah. All right. So this is our dinner party fact segment. Ask our guests to give us a fact, something obscure, interesting about the topic that our listening audience can use to impress people. Yeah. Got something. So KISS, even though they're not heavy metal.

That's fine. Their logo, that SS at their thing, you can't do that in Germany. Like that became like a thing. You know how you can't do that in germany like that became like a thing you know how you can't do anything remotely uh that's always that's always that's always my argument for people who get upset about confederate flat-arm statues being taken down and they always go like this we're erasing history yeah history how are people going to learn what with our you know wi-fi and internet also, I've been to Germany. There are no statues of Hitler yet.

He's still remembered. Wait, so in Germany, they can't use the same logo? They had them change that logo that they use everywhere else. It's like Wing Ding. They just changed the logo. Comic Sans, they use. They use a little snaky-esque. Someone gave me that one time.

It had the death's head skull on it and I didn't know what it was. I didn't know until, yeah, man, you can't wear that here, bud. And I was like, Oh,

sorry. And I just took it off. It was a little thing they put on their collar that I didn't know about. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Well, cool.

Well, thanks Rob for being here. The podcast is called put up your Dukes and you can find it. Put up your dukes podcast.com you can find all the links there anywhere you listen to podcasts uh the name of his band is um generation kill and the new album is called mk ultra it's available on the website generation kill.band so you can check that out and on IG you can follow me at at Rob underscore Dukes or at Generation Killband

thanks for being here Rob yeah and you guys can send all your messages for all the shit that I got wrong just fucking message me I'll

I'll argue with you all day long I don't give a fuck yeah thank you for being on the podcast Rob appreciate it if you ever

at a party and someone comes up and goes, I like heavy metal music, and you go, oh, yeah, who do you like? They go, kiss. Go, well, I don't know about that. Do a Nazi salute and walk away. Good night, Australia.