I Don't Know About That - Motion Picture Production Code

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

In this episode, the team discusses the Motion Picture Production Code with USC Alum and Creator of ‘Old Hollywood History’, Madeline Hanson. Follow Madeline on Instagram @MadelineHanson_1 and on TikTok @madelineroseh1 ! Our merch store is now live! Go to idontknowaboutthat.com for shirts, hoodies, mugs, and more! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Elvis Costello Elvis Presley Who deserves a movie more? Probably Elvis Why would you name your kid Elvis? I was thinking about it Me and my wife actually chatted about calling our kid Elvis We went, oh we could call him Elvis, we already have a cat called Elvis Yeah, I was going to say Yeah, me and my wife actually chatted about calling our kid Elvis. We went, oh, we could call him Elvis.

We already have a cat called Elvis. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah, we did. Made it all confusing. And I said, why don't we call our kid Elvis like this? And my wife was, we were close to doing it. My wife said, because he started dating a 14-year-old. Yeah.

I went, oh, touche. Yeah. Your timing was a little off on that one. That's all right. A movie about Elvis Costello would suck. Yeah. Yeah. Why?

Because he kind of sucks. He's all right. But then it's like the movie would be like, and then it would be all quick cuts. And then I did the Austin Powers movie. He was in the Austin Powers movie? He sings a song. He sings, what do you get when you fall in love I've never really

you know I've seen him twice in concert I like him I don't dislike him yeah I don't hate him but I'm also like he's one of the few people banned from SNL

because he played a song that wasn't approved what was the song radio radio it's kind of like anti-media so I guess the national broadcasting company didn't want to have that oh really yeah

shocker fuck him that's what he said and then wasn't an aspect he's fine he played at the White House. He's okay. What about White House? How does that pay? I don't know, actually. Zero.

Oh, really? I've been to the White House. They let us walk into the press box. Oh, for the show, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't that hard to get into? Yeah. I did a tour.

We got a tour. I shouldn't have been there. Why would you want me in the White House? They, we got a tour. We got a tour. I shouldn't have been there. Why would you want me in the water? They, uh, we got a tour. A friend of mine, uh,

was friends with a guy that used to, he's like a doctor and he used to be, he was like the doctor for Laura Bush. And then one of the other first ladies, they assign, you know, a doctor or whatever, whatever.

But, um, at the time he told me they weren't allowed to have iphones maybe they've changed it but they said they weren't allowed they had to have phones where they could remove the batteries at all times like for security reasons because even when even when the phone's off somehow that can be tracked somehow but i don't know if that's changed but i i think that was true i don't know i think i mentioned it on here but my mom used to work there so we did yeah we did tours all the time.

And I fucking hated it as a kid. But now I recognize how cool that was. Yeah, you probably got to hide in some closets and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, we did the Easter eggs on. You see Mike Pence there rolled up in a ball. He's been there since 92.

But you've been all up in there. Yeah. All up in it. All up in it. All up in it. Every time somebody visited us We're like we're going on a tour of the White House I'm like fuck Again

You should have reminded that When your mom was like sitting in on the podcast Didn't she come in and sit Yeah well she'll be here Next week so She'll ask us some White House questions It brings us to What gigs have we all got

What are we doing You this week are going to be in Durham, North Carolina Should ask us some White House questions. It brings us to what gigs have we all got? What are we doing? You this week are going to be in Durham, North Carolina. Durham. The Durham Performing Arts Center on September 8th, Thursday. These gigs are selling well. Yeah, yeah. Then Ovens Auditorium in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Charlotte selling well as well. And then Atlanta's coming up. September 10th, Cobb Energy Performing Arts Center on September 10th. We're going to go golf with Jack's dad? Nope. I am. I don't think you are. Why not? He's not there. He's not there and he's real dead. Hologram. Oh yeah. You're also I think you're going to London. Ontario? No, no. I have to duck out. I'm going to my sister-in-law's wedding. I'm going London, UK, I have to duck out. I'm going to win my sister-in-law's wedding. I'm going, London, UK, baby.

I'm going to be dancing down Carnaby Street. Know who I've seen twice at the Cobb Energy Center in Atlanta? Elvis Costello. Elvis Costello. Wow. No golf. Full circle. No golf.

Yeah. And then you've got the two weeks after that, you're going to be in Victoria, Canada. Save on Foods Memorial Center. Right, I'm going to be in Victoria, Canada, Save on Food Memorial Center. Where I'm going to be golfing with Jack Stade. That's right. No. Seattle, Washington, you got two shows, September 23rd.

To the people of Toronto that are trying to get to the special, there is going to be some more tickets released because what happened was, it looks like one of the shows is sold out, but what happened was they had to stop a whole lot of uh areas of the theater where they might have cameras and cranes and all type of stuff and now we've figured out the floor plan of the specials so more tickets are being released if you didn't get the tickets before another day's november 3rd right uh four fourth is a special

yeah they're adding a show on the fourth no no no there's two shows on the fourth two shows on the fourth no no we're not we're not adding shows it's we're releasing more tickets so if you see it and you think it's sold out we're releasing more tickets because we've figured out the floor plan of the special and there's some more tickets a couple hundred more tickets to each show being released that's right all right okay all right and then also that makes sense did i explain that yeah sure okay some more seats are being released. That's right. All right. Okay. All right. And then also. Does that make sense? Did I explain that? Yeah, sure. Okay.

So more seats are being released. So look online for the Toronto show. And then September 24th on that same run, we were just talking about in Portland, Oregon, Keller auditorium. And then ID cap podcast on, on Instagram,

follow that. Patreon. There's a link there in the Patreon to follow. Let me just, we just recorded a patron episode. It was fun. It was hilarious. Very silly goosey. Yeah. We talked about drinking story.

Yeah, we talked about your interviews. We aired all my interviews that I did on Australian Press the last day. Which were gold. Great interviews. Yep. Can we announce the other thing I did there? Is that out by now?

Ooh, I don't know. I still don't have a date for that. No, no, no. This episode is coming out on, I believe, the 6th? Oh, no. No, no. Right now, this episode is September 6th. Late September, that is. And we will have a lot to talk about on the Patreon after we see this.

I think we watch it live. I think we get together to watch it live. Do it live. We'll do it here. We'll record it. I haven't watch it live. I think we get together to watch it live. Do it live. We'll do it here. We'll record it. I haven't even told you guys too much of what happened, but it goes off the rails.

And then I have a new podcast, too, if you want to listen to it. It's called The Merman Podcast with our friend Dave Williamson. Fun podcast. Dave's drunk on it. Speaking of drunk. Is he always drunk on it? Oh, how did he spend $250

on that song? How did he do it? He just spent it. Well, I know, but like Mike Miller, the guy who does most of our music. Because he was drunk and he bought the song. Yeah, well, he just did. So Mike Miller, challenge received.

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And he says what he does is each night he puts the podcast on. He doesn't have to deal with his thoughts and just listens to a bit of a podcast as he goes to sleep. I like to listen to TV myself. And so, Scott, if you are in bed right now, wake up! Nighty-night, Scott. That's a joke just for him. Sweet dreams.

Or anyone else named Scott. That's a joke just for him. Sweet dreams. Or anyone else named Scott. That's going to catch him. Holy hell, he's going to be pissed off. I'm going to get a phone call. I'm 100% that's going to catch him. You'll have his ear pod in. Wake up. I do appreciate that he gives us the numbers, though.

It's true. You know? Yeah, yeah. Play it and don't listen. Who cares? Anyone can do that. By the way, do it on multiple platforms. yeah just play it and don't listen hey anyone can do that by the way do it on multiple platforms yeah we don't care yeah i have all the platforms youtube stitcher spotify amazon i just found out amazon podcast yeah get on there anyway i have an airbnb that i ran out of it's an airbnb and then sometimes i go stay in it myself right and so

when i go stay in there every time someone's put their own Netflix login into this thing, right? So, look, I don't give a shit. I can watch their Netflix, my Netflix. They can watch mine. I don't give a stuff, right? But as I leave the house, I do put one of my specials on. Perfect. I get one extra bit of rating.

Yeah. And then they'll be suggested me more often. Yeah, well, and they'll say continue watching for the next person that goes on there. Did you stay in this Airbnb? Well, you might like this comedy. I've done it about 10 times. I've really juiced up those ratings.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. All right. All I need to do is own a million Airbnbs and go around to all of them and I'll be the most highly paid comic on Netflix. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got to do the same thing. All you have to do is get those millions.

No, you need about 30 million views or something like that. 30 million Airbnbs. You also need Netflix to look at that. Yeah, I think the Gungan Girl thing got 10 or something. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Watch my specials.

They're all sitting there. They're all sitting there. They're all sitting there. Have a day of it. Have a day of it. And then you can whinge. This one's not as good as the last one. I like this one more.

This one's your best work. This one sucks. Yeah. I'm on Amazon Prime, by the way. Poor decisions. Just search for bicycle pumps and curling irons. And then once you do that, then you have to scroll down. Then you have to put backslash, backslash, comedy specials, Miami,

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Please welcome our guest, Madeline Hanson. Now it's time to play. Yes, though. Yes, though. time to play... Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though. Judging a book by its cover. G'day, Madeline.

Madeline, I assume that's not a real... That's not the room you're sitting in. That's like some computer animated thing you're in. Is this a real room? No, it's not. No, it's a door. You're on the set of The Great Gatsby yeah and it has an a-list so it means that you're in like la and the food there is okay there's no rats anymore right not anymore rats anymore uh madeline are you a doctor? Yeah. No. You were on the right track.

You didn't have to say no. By the way, you said doctor. No, no, no. You can say no. I'm just saying the shock on your face and someone could assume you're a doctor was palatable. You're on the right track. Yeah, I don't think you're going to guess necessarily the exact topic.

You might get in the ballpark. Are you in LA? Am I what? Are you in Los Angeles? Yes. Are you involved in the entertainment business? Yes. Are you involved in the movie business?

Yes. Yes. All right. This is about the movie business. Right. I got there. That's not a hint you're giving me i just got there yeah okay um are you an actress no oh are you involved in the behind the scenes of movies no and you're not the movie business the subject is about the movie business yeah this is kind of okay she speaks on the movie business

oh okay are you a specialist in um uh the paparazzi no the what paparazzi. No. The what? Paparazzi. Did I say paparazzi? Paparazzi. Paparazzi. Are you an historian of movies? Yes. Okay. So we're going to be talking about. The history of movies.

Right. It's related to that. I don't know if you're going to get this specific thing. So this is a very specific thing that we're talking about today. Stunt men from 1962 to that. I don't know if you're going to get this specific thing. This is a very specific thing that we're talking about today. Stuntmen from 1962 to 1964. I mean, like, almost. Just went in the window just a little bit and you nailed it. Yeah.

This guy doubled for Elvis. Almost. I mean, it is very specific. Have you ever heard of the motion picture production code? Oh, wow. I'm sure I've seen it in credits or something, but I don't know anything about it, no. Oh, you've heard of the motion picture production code oh wow i i'm sure i've seen it in credits or something but i don't know anything about it no oh you've heard of it yes he hasn't he doesn't jack do you've heard of this i learned about it in school yeah i wrote a whole paper on this yeah

what is it jack well i'm not gonna spoil anything you're trying to help me cheat i know this podcast you can't. You can't recruit a teammate. All right. We're going to be talking about the motion picture production code. I didn't know anything about it. I still don't really know anything about it. We talked to Madeline a little bit about it. Madeline Hanson, a California native, attended USC.

Hey, this is where I learned that information. Can you even see, Jack? Are you off camera? Jack's behind the scenes I'm not a in front of camera person where she studied theater and American history from a young age she has always had an obsession with films from Hollywood's golden age and the history that inspired them

you can find her on Instagram at Maddie Hanson that's M-A-D-D-I-E-H-A-N-S-O-N underscore one. And on TikTok at Madeline R-O-S-E-H one. That's Madeline Rose. Is that how you say it?

Rose H. Rose H. Rose H. Rose H. Canadian Rose H. Rose H. Madeline Rose H1. Jim's already making a face like, I don't know what the hell. I'm trying to figure out what's going on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm going to ask you some questions. I'm waiting to get that. Okay. And then I'm going to ask Jim a series of questions about the motion picture production code. And then you're going to grade them 0 through 10, 10 being the best in accuracy. Kelly's going to grade them on confidence. I'm going to grade them on et cetera. We're going to grade them 0 through 10, 10 being the best in accuracy. Kelly's going to grade them on confidence, I'm going to grade them on etc.

We're going to add them all together and then there's I usually have categories, but I don't have any today. Rose, Rose B, and Rose C. Good, bad, good, bad, okay, good. Good, bad, not good.

Thanks. Hey, what is the motion picture code or the Hays code? Does that help you? The motion picture code or the haze code does that help you uh the motion picture code or the haze code named after hazy mills the actress um is a code it's that's a podcast for another day okay okay um so so what what happens is it's a code of conduct that you meant to have on set who was will h may hayes uh willie mays hayes he was a baseball player for the movie major league okay the hayes code was adopted in blank year an orphanage but not not seriously enforced until blank year.

It was, say what? It was adopted in a certain year, but not seriously enforced until this year. Okay, so I'll say, because it's golden age we're talking about, I'm going to say it was enforced in 19, it was adopted in 1942 and wasn't enforced until 1946. Why was it created? It was created because World War II was coming to an end and they needed to get those boys jobs again

after those women took all the baseball gigs. Okay. You're watching me. This is just information I know. Okay. What types of rules or guidelines were in the code? Three strikes, you're out. You're doing good.

And rules were... What's the infield fly rule? Yeah, infield fly rule. Rock Hudson. We don't talk about Rock Hudson. It was one of the rules. Don't mention it. He's a big star.

Okay. Who is Fatty Arbuckle? Oh, okay. I know what's going on now. I know what's going on now. How is he relevant to the creation of this guy? Yeah, so Fatty Arbuckle was a very famous comedian and at the time was the biggest movie star for, you know,

Babe Ruth. He's a big fat guy. Made some jokes, right, in the sort of realm of WC Fields or whatever. But Fatty Arbuckle was a Chris Farley-like character. And so what happened to him was there was, and I may get this wrong, there was an alleged rape slash maybe there was a murder. Someone was found dead or there was a girl that cried, there was a murder someone was found dead or there was a girl that cried not cried's the wrong word um stated that she was uh raped by fatty arbuckle and he he was possibly one of the great first

cancellations of our society before you know because most of these things were swept under the blanket but this made uh broad media coverage okay and. And so how did that affect this, what we're talking about, the motion picture production code? So I assumed that there was rules and things put into place so things like this wouldn't happen again. What is the Legion of Decency? The Legion of Decency. Well, it starts off Superman, Batman, all DC comics.

Anyway, so the Legion of Decency, that would have been a panel that would have gone through, that would have decided some HR rules that now had to go on sets, that maybe a woman going into an audition didn't have to take her clothes off if a director asked her to, or stupid things. I'm saying. They weren't allowed to rape anymore. It's fucking stupid.

It's stupid to do that. Like things that we take for granted now as things you shouldn't do. And they probably, by today's standards, we look at them like, duh, and maybe the rule should have gone a bit further. Why didn't the First Amendment cover movie makers' rights to show or say whatever they wanted? Because you're involving other people. It's like you depicting something by free speech

but then dragging somebody else into it, and that's when you get into the legal problems. You have the right to say whatever you want, but then you start employing different actors and different crew members and stuff like that and they all have to have exactly the same vision as you that would be impossible to get a group of people to do that do you know what is the pca uh the parent teacher association pca it would be parents cinema children parents cinema association and like what did they do what kind of power did they wield they would have brought PCA, it would be... Parent Cinema. Parent Children Association. Yeah, Parent Cinema Association.

And what did they do? What kind of power did they wield? They would have brought in things like PG ratings, G ratings, R ratings, X ratings, so that we now know that we could see different things. And why did Hollywood willingly agree to censor their films with the MPCC, which is the Mushroom Picture Production Group? There would have been, I don't know

if SAG and AFTRA were up at that stage, but there would have been union things and also you could get the different labels put on the movie, so your movie could there's something about like a R-rated movie where you go, oh, that's going to be good. It's going to have some swear words

in it. I think people wanted to define their film. Howard Hughes had to appeal the PCA for his movie the outlaw because they wanted to censor what howard hughes the movie the outlaw yeah to appeal yeah no no i'm trying to censor what i think um maybe there was a sex scene which by those standards would have been not as graphic as sex scenes now, but maybe there was I'm going to go interracial kiss. It is said that the Hollywood production code actually made Casablanca better. Why? That was my whole thesis.

I'm going to tell you the only thing I know about Casablanca. So at the end when they're saying goodbye and he's like, we'll always have Paris and all that type of stuff, right? He's doing that big speech. There's an aeroplane in the background, but they couldn't get a big jumbo jet. They just had a small little tiny private plane. So they used dwarfs to walk up the stairs to make it look like it was a

small plane. And that made every movie better you watch to the end just to see that bit okay um at first the pca did not allow anti-nazi films to proliferate why uh at first they didn't like anti-nazi movies to proliferate so i'm going to move my years of what this happened i'm going to to move my years to the early 30s now because at that stage we weren't at war with the Nazis and, you know, what are you getting? Yeah, well, look, Hitler was Times Magazine man of the year. He was on the cover of it.

There was a lot of people who thought Hitler was, we should be doing that in our country. He's got them into order. They were fucked after the First World War, and now he went in and fixed it. There was a lot of people who thought he was great before he started kicking off. Okay.

Gone with the winds production had to pay a hefty fine for the use of what word? Damn. Damn. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. Okay. Which was people would gasp at such a swear word. And it's the equivalent of now saying, well,

you can see a movie where a guy goes, frankly, I don't give a fuck to a woman. You could put that on film all day. You could put it on FX. Yeah, yeah. But back then that was like, but Scarlett, is that a – I'll tell you what, I've watched that film. I watched it during COVID.

It was my mother's favourite film. My mother used to watch it once a week and I always used to, when I walked past it, like, fuck me, go on with me. And I pushed against seeing that film because it was always in the background of my childhood. It's four hours long. But I'll tell you what, banging film, but Scarlett O'Hara's a pain in the neck.

Fuck Scarlett O'Hara. Everything she does is pissing everyone off all over the place. She's always crying. I'm in trouble. The whole film. She's trying to date people's married husbands and stuff. She's up to no good the whole time, Scarlett O'Hara. But it's a fantastic movie.

I've never seen it. It's a wonderful movie. It starts off with a joke. There's one joke in the whole film and it starts off with a gag and then you think, oh, this film might be all right. It's all downhill from there. It's got, like, by today's standards, you wouldn't make this gag, but it's got two slaves working in the cotton field.

Funny, funny joke. I'm saying, no, this is what it was from. Hilarious. It was from the set. And then one of them goes, quitting time, quitting time. And then, like, the guy gets all upset and he goes, I'm the foreman here. I'll see, quitting time, quitting time. And then the guy gets all upset. He goes, I'm the foreman here. I'll say is when it's quitting time.

And then he goes, quitting time. So there's a joke right at the beginning. What happened in the 1948 court case, United States versus Paramount Pictures, also known as the Paramount decision. And how did this change things? So I say that all again. 1948, a court case, United States versus Paramount decision. And how did this change things? Sorry, say that all again. 1948, a court case, United States versus Paramount Pictures. Like, what happened in that?

And how did that change things? 1948 versus Paramount. US versus Paramount Pictures. It's commonly known as the Paramount decision. Yeah, the Paramount decision. Fucking George Lucas didn't want to have credits at the beginning of the film. He wanted to go straight to the Star Wars song. And that's why you got kicked out.

It's a very old film, very old film. 1948, huh? It took a long time to get Star Wars back. I'll say 1948. I reckon, no, we'll go back then. This is before McCarthyism, the MacArthur trials as well. It's just before that. So I was going to go with something to do with communism, but I'll say something to do with the movie star not being happy at work.

All right. 1952 Supreme Court case Bernstein versus Wilson. Granted movie makers what? Bernstein versus Wilson. Bernstein. Granted movie makers what? I'm going to say craft services. Thank God for that.

We got Doritos finally. Before that, you're walking around going, where's Crafty? And they look at you, they'll be like, what? I want a fistful of gummy bears right now. It's 2 o'clock in the afternoon, and if I want a bagel. I want a fistful of gummy bears right now. Yeah, yeah. It's 2 o'clock in the afternoon, and if I don't get a Twizzler. Okay, last question. What was the code, the motion picture production code, what was the code replaced with in 1968?

In 1968, I'm going to say that it was replaced with uh sag and after who came in to be the actors unions and they they sort of covered a few more things i think it was replaced probably with the writers guild directors guild the actors guild of this all the unionization of uh of of all the different departments all right uh madeline how did uh jim do on his knowledge of the motion if i got any of that right man no i think he did really well i mean i would say like an seven and a half eight because it's such an obscure that was like a two that's a two he moved his date back to the early 30s which which is correct. It was brought into play in 1930, but it wasn't enforced until 1934. And he moved that date back to the Fatty Arbuckle story.

You got about three things right. Yeah, but you got a lot of it. And he compared him to like Chris Farley, which was like a good. That's like the comparison. I think you're basing everything on Fatty Arbuckle. We'll go back. We'll go back to the questions. But you're going to say eight.

OK, well, it's up to you. I think it was like, but you're going to say eight. Okay. It's up to you. I think it was like, I mean, maybe seven or eight, but I thought a lot of it was, well, like maybe I just like was impressed by the, the historical. Yeah. Like knowledge in general. His confidence. He slays you with his confidence.

This podcast should be called ballpark. Yeah. Ballpark. I didn't think you would get any of it. He slams you with his confidence. This podcast should be called Bullpuck. Yeah, Bullpuck. I didn't think you would get any of it. I just thought it was such an obscure thing. And I thought, I don't know, I thought some of it was pretty close or at least made sense in the world of

golden age. It was like, okay, these things are true, but maybe not in relation to this. You didn't answer most of the questions right wrong yeah there you go wrong okay so you know well i was watching some of the other ones and i feel like they gave you like you got more of the answers correct or and they gave you like these are four people that mean as a bull confidence how do you do, Kelly? On the things that he

knew, he was very confident. I'll give him a 6 on confidence overall. Alright, it's Z or a 0. You did pretty good. I didn't even add it up. 11. Not bad. Even. Alright, so I asked Jim what is the motion picture production code or the Hays code. He said it was

named after a Hazy Millsy actress, whoever that is. Hazy Mills is a production company with Sean Hayes and our friend Todd Milner. Who I work with and it's a setup. But it sounds like an old school. It does actually. Who is the girl off the parent trap? She's an old lady now. Hayley Mills.

Hayley Mills. That's unrelated too. So, Madeline, what is the Motion Picture Production Code or the Hays Code? Yeah, so known as the Hays Code, it was like a set of moral guidelines that all the major studios adhered to.

So back then there was like the major like the top, the big five. So it was like RKO, Paramount, Fox, Warner Brothers and MGM. And they all collectively agreed to tailor and censor their films to these set of rules. So it was about the ratings and all that type of stuff. It was about censorship. Yeah. Yeah.

Not yet. But it wasn't about the treatment of people on set. Yeah, back then that did not exist. There was no HR. That was not the top concern back in the 30s. Yeah, no one cared about that. So I thought there were some guidelines like, you can slap a girl in the ass, but she has to be good looking.

Yeah. And they had like... That sounds like the rules of the comedy store now they had a chart and they're like here's good looking and then it kept going down and like here's ugly so who was will h hayes not a baseball player not a baseball player. So he was the postmaster general under President Harding, and then he became the chairman of the Motion Picture Producers and Distributors

of America. So he was kind of hired to clean up Hollywood's image because there were all a series of scandals in the 20s, and collectively, Hollywood started to get a really bad reputation. And so he was brought in to kind of be the mouthpiece for the studios in Washington and kind of advocate, um,

for their rights and also save them money because anytime that they were like, I guess dinged with like in individual States with the sensor boards, they had to pay a fine. So it was kind of up to him to like clean things up and also save money for the studio so they didn't get in trouble with all the individual censor boards. You know what I've learned on this show is Postmaster General has a lot of power. So much power.

Podcast after podcast. In what other circumstance were you talking about the Postmaster General? One of our first episodes was just on the post office and just learning about the postmaster Show. I feel like it does come up a lot. One of our first episodes was just on the post office and just learning about the post. I forget how many...

They're only like four steps down from the president. That's crazy. I forget what other episodes. There was another post office. Like still? Yes. Even without posting?

I think so. I don't. But even in this, when the, we had all this problem with the post office and that was like, just get rid of that. And it was like, no,

you can't get rid of them. Like you can't. I was like, just change them out. It's probably one of the old. Yeah. I'm sure it's one of the oldest, like,

yeah. Like this, you know, and you just go to the post office and you're like, come on, this is, this is, this is,

this is running. This is number four right hand man. This country sucks. I just all put my head at the DMV. The Hays Code was adopted in 19... I'm sorry, 1930.

That was close, yeah. Jim said 32 but it wasn't enforced until 1934. 34. Okay. You were pretty close on that. That's where you maybe should get your point there. I thought that was impressive. I think he adjusted it though, right? Yeah. Yeah, I adjusted it. He said 40s before. He did, but he took

like information and was like, okay, well, it's earlier than World War II because of the anti-Nazi stuff. So I thought that was clever. We'll accept it. Jack's very, very upset in this one. No, I'm just thinking. He's grading hazi stuff. So I thought that was clever. We'll accept it. Jack's very upset in this one. No, I'm just thinking. He's grating hard here. So why was it created? Jim said it's because of World War II and it was coming in and they needed to get all those boys jobs

again because women took all the baseball jobs. Clearly enjoying it. Well, I mean, yeah, that's accurate. Strong but wrong. Yeah, just because of all the like the 20s were you know like the 60s like it was a real crazy time and with it came a lot of you know scandals so like drug overdoses murders um affairs whatnot and william randall purse was pretty prominent at the time so

there's a lot of yellow journalism so the movie industry was getting a really bad reputation and hollywood before it became like the motion picture colony or whatever industry was getting a really bad reputation and hollywood before it became like the motion picture colony or whatever it was like a conservative christian haven so there was always this kind of like tension between the original like residents and um landowners you know because it was mostly i always find that a little bit frustrating though with the entertainment business that that you go there's a lot of scandals in hollywood and then through the me too movement you went oh all the people in hollywood are corrupt and this and they're all rapists and all that type of stuff and then even with the royal family they go oh god prince andrew and how the royal family they have divorces go well you're

just talking about famous people yeah it happens in every industry. We just don't know who Max Smith is. In every business, scandal is happening in every industry but you're looking at the famous people. Yeah. I think that was also the beginning of with William Randall Pearns, it was the beginning of yellow journalism. What is yellow journalism?

I feel like everyone else in the room doesn't know either but you're all staying quiet like this. I actually don't even know. Oh, yellow journalism? I know about it. Yeah. I guess I don't know the actual definition,

but isn't it just like heightened, sensationalized? It's like sensationalized gossip stuff. Not actually like covering like real corruption. Like the Enquirer. Because my brain went to racism. Yeah, mine did too. I thought it was just when you cover up. I thought that too when I first learned it. Yeah, mine did too. I thought it was just when you cover up. I thought that too when I first learned it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They used to call the Irish yellow kids or whatever too, which doesn't make sense. I thought it was just covering like golden shower stuff. It would cover that. I was reading that between 1930 and 1934 when it was enforced, that was like, you know,

during the war times people weren't going to the movies so what they were doing to get people to go to the movies was having like really scandalous types of stories so a lot of sex a lot of drugs a lot of crime and so that's when they implemented it because they're like we can't have this shit in our theaters yeah i mean and they were hurting like any industry during during that was like 1932 i think is like the worst year of the Great Depression. So they couldn't really even afford to, you know, lose

their patrons either. And just to confirm, that is what yellow journalism means, sensationalism. And also to confirm, the Postmaster General is no longer in line to be president. In 1971, they were taken out of the executive branch and now they're just in a special, you know, whatever.

They're their own category. They're their own special post office. Look at it. Stamps and shit now. They get their own post office and no lines. Where they should be. Get out of there. Get out of our, get out of our government.

That's funny. What types of rules or guidelines were in the code? So what were we doing? What was in the code? Yeah. Oh, that's another. I guess that was another point I gave Jim is because he said like a racial case strikes. You're out. He said we don't talk about rock Hudson.

You get my point? That was good, too. That wasn't a bad thing to drop, actually. That actually wasn't bad. Because he's gay. Okay. Yeah, that was pretty gay and he died of AIDS. And I think he said rock Hudson, but that would work, too. No, no, no. That was fair because he's gay. Yeah, because he's gay and he died of AIDS. I think he said Rot Hudson, but that would work too. No, that was used after he died.

He's called Rot Hudson. Now he's Rot Hudson. That's a good name for a punk band. It is. But I think you also said something about an interracial kiss, which is one of the Hayes' don'ts and be carefuls, which is one of the, one of the, uh,

Hayes's don'ts and be carefuls, which made it into the Hayes code. He originally had these don't don'ts and be care. I think that's what it's called, right? Yeah. Don'ts and be carefuls, which is like a, a loose guideline. Well, I remember that that happened in Star Trek in the sixties. There was an interracial kiss and everyone blew their minds. So there's a couple of decades out on that one, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, decades out on that one, I'm sure. Yeah.

Yeah. But I mean, that was one of the, I mean, one of the rules is like no white slavery and no interracial relations. Oh, that was a rule? No white slavery? What? Yeah. Yeah.

That's one of them. This is the thing. These were black and white movies. You only had white or black slavery. You're cutting off half your films. Wait, so what were some of the other rules then? Just like any kind of profanities, you know, like

taking Lord's name in vain or swearing in general. Sexually explicit stuff. Yeah, sexually perverted things which did include homosexual relationships or any kind of yeah sexually perverted things which did include you know same things that you know homosexual relationships or any wasn't even something like two like a man and woman couldn't sit on the same bed it was like really specific stuff yeah i mean they couldn't they certainly couldn't share the same bed even up until like i love lucy you know there's that was the first time they showed a

pregnancy on uh tv or film and they had separate beds so yeah that one that was a big no-no so you were i always thought everybody was very conservative up till now but it but this was people were less conservative until this code so things were more sexually explicit more violent yeah i didn't even know there was another absolutely face movie and you had mentioned that there was a scarface movie that was more violent than this one yeah well i mean you know like history is kind of like a pendulum like you know 60s are crazy 80s are more conservative like I think we will still continue to see that I think but yeah in the 20s the 20s are like wild and the 30s I mean the 40s and 50s are more conservative but in the early 30s there's like a ton of I mean that's like the reign of Al Capone so there's

like a ton of gangster movies the original Scarface is based on Al Capone and there's like a ton of i mean that's like the reign of al capone so there's like a ton of gangster movies the original scarface is based on al capone and there's like women in lingerie and you know actual you know they're after that they weren't allowed to even show like firearms they have like tommy guns and stuff yeah there's always been porn like in those penny things yeah yeah there are penny arcades yeah yeah but i mean those aren't like released in big i mean i guess they had like adult theaters, but, um, with the introduction of sound to like one big concern was like,

which I actually didn't really think about much until recently, but in, in silent films, like kids didn't, weren't as interested because they can't read. So once like sound is introduced in 1929, that was another like fear is like, Oh,

children are going to become, you know, corrupted because now they are going to become you know corrupted because now they can hear everything you know so that was another um fear but yeah the 20s were certainly wild up until and and like part of the 30s too and then we see like well look at things in the 50s and it's way more tame and conservative than something in in the late 20s early 30s and that's pretty crazy yeah with the code they had they had a good guys always have to win so the bad guys can never be at the end of the movie coming out on top because they didn't want to glorify crime

anyway law enforcement can't die at the hands of a criminal um and even in like so like that period where there were gangster movies it was like like only a couple of years. And there were like four really famous ones like little Caesar. And I just did my last video on this. That's what's like fresh in my mind, like little Caesar and Scarface and whatnot. And they have to have like, I guess they had to go back and do like a warning at the beginning of it. Like in all of them,

it has this like screen that comes up and it's like, just so you know, like this is not a good thing. We don't condone this. Also, the government, you need to do something, exclamation point. Hey, this is a little bit off topic, but I wanted to say it while it's fresh in my mind. So with Psycho, right, so people had to walk out and say you might faint and all that type of stuff. I read somewhere that that was the reason that we have movie times.

Before that, a cinema used to just play films over and over. You could give a nickel. You could walk in and see the film and maybe you'd catch the beginning or the middle or the end. And then because it was Psycho, it had to be a set time. Wow. So that you weren't too shocked you walked in at the wrong time. I walked in the shower scene.

It was more for the experience that Hitchcock wanted you to do it that way. Because he used to just pay like a nickel walk in and it would just be the same reel over and over all day. What's going on here? Kids used to just hang out there and just make out and just be debaucherous all day in the Nickelodeon.

Why is the grandma in the chair? It doesn't make any sense. I guess during the Great Depression, you're like, who cares if I'm watching the end of this? At least I'm not in a bread line. I'm sure you could ask someone who worked there,

how long has it got towards the end or whatever? Come back in a few minutes. Here's another side thing. You think they they're gonna do the Halloween Horror Nights this year now that COVID I always love that part when they take you on the tram and then they go to the psycho house that actor yeah and

you're always like look at this idiot I'm not gonna be afraid of him then by the end you're like get away get away from me he's real he's real it's just like coming up to you like yeah I guess good whatever that goes shut up um that's interesting i didn't know it was because of psycho but that makes sense yeah 100 bucks who is fatty arbuckle famous comedian big movie starred yeah said he was relevant because he allegedly raped

possibly murdered first great cancellation got broad media coverage rules put in place yeah can happen again yeah you got a lot of that right um yeah one of the most famous comedians mentored charlie chaplin and buster keaton um super unlucky because like his nickname was fatty first his real name is roscoe our vocal and then also he was accused of rape of this woman who attended a party in his hotel room her name was virginia rap or rape it's r-a-p-p-e ironically her name was virginia no yeah i feel like her friend was like so basically her friend after this woman attended the party she started throwing up they thought it was just because she was intoxicated or which i think it was and then she passed away like a couple days

later and then her friend was like oh it's it's because Fatty Arbuckle raped her. And he's so fat. He crushed her, like her crushed her. And then the doctors were like, that's not, no, that's not how this works.

Yeah. We don't see any evidence of that. There pretty much wasn't any evidence. And there were three trials and he was finally acquitted. And then they like issued an apology but the only thing he really did wrong was he violated the Volstead Act like because they were drinking alcohol

so he really should have only had to pay like a fee for that but then he like you're right he got canceled all his movies the studio was pretty much fed him to the wolves because they were like we're going to have to sacrifice him so that we can get audiences to come back you know because so many people were have to sacrifice him so that we can get audiences to come back, you know, because so many people were boycotting him, so many religious groups.

Ah, poor Fatty. But the Wolves got a good meal. Yeah, but also people would drive past him, hang in there Fatty. Yeah. The whole case was like facts against I mean, a lot of that was like William Randall Peirse journalism, spreading lies.

The DA would pay off witnesses and the doctors. It was a big 1920s circus, which I feel like all court cases from the 20s are big media frenzies. Not like now. Not like now.

Everything's straightforward. We've come a long way progress quiet death case never heard cases they've even heard of it that was occurring yeah I'm just reading it now that was crazy

it's really bad I think especially because her first name is Virginia, so there's virgin in there. Wow. I've just had a flashback. I believe Chris Farley was signed on to play Fatty Arbuckle in a dramatic movie, and that was going to be his first dramatic role

before he died. Wow. Lost roles. Yeah, you're right. I think you're right. roles it says it was signed on you're right it's a big article it's like a bunch of people's lost roles

I read about five books in my life and one of them is the biography of Chris Farley yeah yeah it says Shrek and then I think yeah fatty arbuckle biopic uh in 1997 chris farley began playing the first dramatic film a biopic about the silent film star fatty arbuckle heavyset actor who was falsely accused of manslaughter and rape in a highly publicized trial before dying young of a heart attack yeah that's the way maybe she killed him

then oh sad and i don't think she even accused him of it on her like deathbed i think it was just her friend yeah after she died like i don't think it was even friends she was she was a i want to be actress or or an extra or something like that as well she was in i think they'd known each other for years it wasn't like they just met that night i think it was like a friend in the industry and he just they just had like a hotel party. David Mamet was writing the movie. Whoa. It was going to be a pretty serious movie.

And Bernie built. We've still got fat people. Why don't they go ahead with the movie? It's not like, it's not like, it's not like Chris Farley died and they went, well, America's out of fatties.

Well, what fat actor would you do? He's got to be comedic because you're still going to have to do the comedic parts of his acting. Yeah, get Monaghan. Monaghan. I want Kevin James. He's too old. Damn it.

Yeah. Just do the Irishman technology on Kevin James. Okay. What is the legion of decency? There's a lot of stuff about DC comics. Women didn't have to take their clothes off for auditions if they didn't want to. That's what Jim said. What is the legion of decency?

It's like a Catholic group that was founded by the Archbishop of Cincinnati, I think. And I think it just like called for Catholics to only endorse films that, you know, adhered to traditional family values and Catholic values. And I think it kind of, in a way, like started the first like rating system because some films were like condemned and then some were morally objectable and like they had their own like Catholic rating. They have different ratings

around the world. Two crucifixes. In Australia, we have G-rated movies, which are like family. We have those. Do you have M? No, I don't know. They changed them. When I was a kid, it was G,

PG, PG-13, and R. We have M in between and M's 15 and up in Australia. I think that was one of the original ratings, though, and then they changed it. Like, PG-13 with Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom. But I think M was originally one of ours, too. Yeah, yeah. So Legion of Decency was the latest one. Like a strike to triple X. Yeah.

No two X's. Yeah, yeah. It was the latest one. They go straight to triple X. Yeah. No two Xs. Yeah. Yeah. I remember as a kid, the rating thing was like, that's what you strived for. You were like, it's R. Yeah. And you were like, Escape from New York was the first movie

that I wanted to see. I was like, man, there's a head that gets chopped off. There's tits. It was like, it's got it all. It's got it all. Before, it's got it all. Before the internet, if you could find a movie with a bit of boob in it, you were in bloody heaven. There was a movie.

Well, you could watch things from the 1920s. No, no, no. The 80s are stacked with boobs. Because we didn't have the internet. Porn was harder to get. There was a Scott Baio movie that, by today's standard, it would cancel the whole production. The movie was harder to get. There was a Scott Baio movie that by today's standard it would cancel the whole production. The movie was called Zapped.

They made a second one. Zapped. And it was a bloke. He could telekinesically move things with his mind, right? And so he got this from he was in the science lab at school and a bit of formula fell into another pot and he was in the room or whatever. And then Scott Baio from that moment with his mind

could just open women's shirts. The poster is Scott Baio and Scott Bakula through a window. Not Scott Bakula. I thought you said. I just said. Scott Baio. No, Scott Baio. Sorry, yeah, Scott Baio.

The friend was his mate who played his mate in Charles in Charge. Yeah, Willie Amaze. But going through a window, there's just a woman bending over in a short skirt, and they're lifting it up with their fingers. No, no, but like with the power of whatever you're saying. This was a fun video that we got when I was 10, and I was all over Zach. Here's the log line of the catchphr catcher they're getting a little behind in their

classwork meanwhile my dad had me watch child's play when i was five and i had nightmares for three years straight oh my god zap was good police academy had a couple of boobs early on in the film as well that was an exciting film oh yeah 16.9 million at the box office. I don't remember Zapped. There's a Zapped 2. It doesn't end. You can watch it on the Disney channel, apparently. I don't know. It's a Disney movie. Disney Plus.

Teen sex comedy. Telekinetic powers. All the boobs are just covered with Mickey Mouse faces now. Yeah. So, why didn't the First Amendment cover moviemakers rights to show or say whatever they wanted during this time? I think in 1915

the Supreme Court declared that it was a business not an art. So it wasn't protected under the First Amendment of free speech because they were profiting so much. I got a very bullshit answer. I was thinking as I was talking.

That would be a problem. You're involving other people, dragging someone else into it. You know what's crazy is I didn't even remember your answer because it was such bullshit. I was just kind of tuned out of it. You were just like when I was like, all right, what's crazy is I didn't even remember your answer because it was such bullshit. I was just kind of tuned out of it. You were just like when I was like, all right, what's the next thing we got to do? It's like the last puppy.

George Lucas wanted credits. That's later. Well, the George Lucas credit thing was a real thing, man. He was kicked out of the director's guild for that. Really? Yeah, he told him to fuck off. It's the only film. the only film that doesn't start with actors' credits, right?

It goes straight into Star Wars and the storyline and the actors are at the end of the film. Yeah. And he paid big fines and then he told them to fuck off. He was making so much money. So he was kicked out of the director's union because he wouldn't not do that. But I have a theory on credits.

I'm anti-credits. I don't think we need to have credits on bloody everything. I don't think everyone needs to be mentioned all the time for everything they've fucking done. It's the only industry in the fucking world where at the end I have to see the person who brought some kind of coffee. Well, you don't have to. You can just leave.

When I buy a car, when I buy a car, when I buy a car, I don't get told, Gavin made the seats, Terry did the tyres. The cup holders, they didn't happen on their own. When I get a sandwich, I'm not being told what farmer did the lettuce. Who does it hurt, Jim? Who does it hurt? I'll tell you why it hurts is because when you work

in the industry, you're getting a lot of shit if someone, I want a better credit, I want to be higher up in the credits. And it's like, fucking hell, you did nothing, mate. You know what I mean? I've worked at things. Everyone wants to be a producer, an executive producer. I've been an executive producer on about 10 projects. I don't know what the job is.

It's sometimes just a vanity credit. I don't know what the job is. I always make sure it's in me bloody contract. I'll give you a good example. My special's on Amazon Prime. Yeah. And I. It's one of my credits.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You had nothing to do with it. Nothing. I would have done less if I could. I did everything. I did everything. You didn't even know it was being made. And then when I was trying to sell it, I said, hey, Jim, do you mind if I put you as an executive producer on there?

Because I'm trying to sell it to Netflix and you're trying to sell one of your specials you're like sure if it ever gets through and you make some money buy me some dinner or something like that whatever i said sure then it didn't sell to netflix it put on amazon prime and then when they were putting on there i said hey he's not an executive producer that was you said to sell to netflix and they go oh it's too late it already went out like that we can't change any of the names but they wanted to put your name so anyways we're driving in the car one day and you also went on your IMDb and you're like, did I executive produce your special?

You didn't, you didn't do anything. And you go, yeah, I don't remember doing that. He's like, I haven't even watched it. I was like,

you didn't do anything. But there's always so many fights over who's getting what credit and this credit. I just feel like it can get a little bit childish yeah yeah that's fair well that's why everyone comes to Hollywood I mean well that's that's like that's why I always wouldn't stop drawing people I try to remember like key grip too yeah I think I sometimes what I do in movies I try to find the last actor on the on the credits and then I try to find the last actor on the credits.

And then I try to remember that name 10 years to see if they become a star. I think about that bloke. I'm like, yeah, he was slave number four. I wonder how he's going. The only time it's ever come off, the only time it's ever come off is Coming to America, Cuba Gooding Jr., boy in hair hairdressing salon the boy the boy in the barbershop he's getting his hair cut he doesn't say anything like that and then years later i was like that's a kid from the day i didn't even know that easy name to remember yeah yeah um what is

the pca so it was like an uh agency that that they created so that like they'd have to run every film by them before it could be released okay do we know what it stands for make sure it's a what is it produce what is it production code administration i get confused with like the okay there's so many production code i know yeah production code administration. Okay. And so they... That was created by the MPPDA. So that was the... They were the... They oversaw everything for the motion production

picture production. Yeah. Yeah. Before it was released. So they had to put their stamp of approval on every movie. Yeah. Every filmmaker and studio would have to submit their pictures and then they'd have to approve it or tell them, you know, you need to cut this out or whatever before it could be released.

And they'd put their logo at the front of the movie saying it was approved. Got it. So there was, there was the code and the PCA was the governing organization. That was right. So there was a guy in charge of that who was like basically in charge of everything in Hollywood. Joseph Breen right

yeah Joseph Breen yeah and so he just like had all of the power in Hollywood which yeah well that's why it became more enforced in 1934 yeah when he took over he was very vigilant okay and so then Howard Hughes had to appeal the PCA for the

his movie The Outlaw because they wanted to censor what Jim said interracial kids. What? Oh, breasts? Jane Russell's breasts. Yeah. Why would you want to censor them? Who's Jane? I don't want to see Jane Russell. He was making the original zapped. Yeah.

I don't know if you've seen the movie, The Aviator, the Leonardo DiCaprio movie, The Aviator. I've seen that movie. Yeah, they have a scene where Howard Hughes is presenting to the PCA and he has all these blown up pictures of different actresses' cleavage and then they're all measuring it and whatnot.

He's just trying to prove that, oh, look, in the past, Claudette Colbert, etc. I remember that. That's the PCA and that's Hughes appearing to the PCA. I just Googled Jane Russell's breasts. Yeah. I want to see what the controversy was.

You don't want to censor any of those? Yeah. Ah, the bloody, I'd censor him today. Too much. I want to see an actress and look at her acting and not the silly boobs or anything like that. Bloody. Right there on the top right, top left. Would it be okay just to show one?

It's always breasts that are the problem, but I've never heard of breast. Oh, yeah, you've got to censor breasts. Yeah, because it's the cleavage, really, that is. I would be terrible as one of these blokes who work for the censorship thing. I'd be getting bored during the day and go, how about one tit?

How about one tit? One tit. Yeah, what about under boob? If we cover the nipples but you see the bit underneath. Under boob would have caused a frenzy. Oh, under boob. Under boob's more salacious than cleavage. Yeah, I think so too, yeah.

Yeah. Shirts don't work like that. That's fair, yeah. Your shirt's too short. It has to be tailored, yeah. Yeah, yeah, under boob's always done on purpose. No one's got accidental under boob. Yeah, yeah. Except for Batman. Yeah, yeah. Underboob's always done on purpose. No one's got accidental underboob.

Except for fat men. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah. A short shirt with a fat man is not salacious at all. People will censor that, though, as well. Okay, and then it is said that the Hollywood production code actually made

Casablanca better. Why? Jim just said they used dwarfs to make the plane look bigger, which I need to watch. I don't know if that's why. That's true, right? I don't know. What did the Hollywood production code actually make Casablanca better?

I guess I've never heard of that specific example, but I think That was on the set next to the Wizard of Oz. There was just dwarfs kicking around everywhere. Yeah, yeah. And you'd bring them over. Walk up these stairs of the plane, yeah. But I think it made a lot of films better,

and I think it created a lot of genres because it made filmmakers and writers more creative because they kind of had to maneuver around these codes. So I think it actually made a lot of... lot of contributed to a lot of films and genres but um i guess if i had to guess with casablanca it's probably the ending because rick and um isla can't like isla is they can't end up together yeah they can't end up together because they had an affair and she's she's still married so she has to go off with her husband and then Rick finally joins the cause. So, I mean, the ending's not happy, but it's hopeful.

I think it's like the best ending. And it's necessary. Sometimes when you have to work within parameters, it makes you more creative. That was right. That's what my thesis was. I was going to say, what was it? Because the original name for casablanca before these guidelines was called tits oh wow it wasn't a very good film

tits and coke and damn jesus christ you did your paper on this it's called shagging married folks because like for thesis statements they always say like whatever your thesis is it has to be an arguable point so I went like the most arguable point which is just like oh the codes were good because everyone just says it's bad and it's easy to argue if it was more fun to argue it was good and just looking into it there's like a bunch of like turns of phrases

that people came up with and like yeah there's a lot left up to innuendo that we never would have had you would have just said let's just have sex versus just yeah yeah I think that's one of my favorite yeah I think that's one of my favorite things from the code is like screwball comedies and you know how that influenced comedy saying just like characters talking over each other to build innuendo and verbal sparring like i think that's yeah because like a whole genre came out of it called like the comedy of the remarriage or whatever yeah because you weren't

allowed you weren't allowed to show divorce because it was anti-Christian. So you had to have your character start divorced and then fall back in love. Exactly, like Philadelphia Story. Philadelphia Story is a good example. There's so many rom-coms from that time period that are all about remarriage. Yeah. Was there anything

in these codes about violence and were the guidelines because I watched a lot of Abbott and Costello and Laurel Hardy as a kid and, because I watched a lot of Abbott and Costello and Laurel Hardy as a kid. Yeah. And I seem to remember a lot of men being hit, the stooges being hit in the head with frying pans

and stuff like that. As long as they weren't having sex. Yeah, but were they allowed to do, like, slapstick with women? Were they allowed to be hit with a frying pan? I don't really remember that as such. No, I think, yeah, I think there are guidelines or like it's suggested not to. Suggested not to beat women. Yeah, not to beat women.

Strongly suggested. There's some guys at work like men can be hit in the head with what? Anything. Baseball bats. Shower blunts. Dangerous cats. They can be cut with a saw in the top of their head as long as they go wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

It doesn't make any difference. There's a famous scene in The Public Enemy which is right before The Code, like a year before where James Cagney takes a grapefruit and he shoves it in his girlfriend's face. It's really famous. It was like an ad-lib they made up on set.

But I mean, that was like something like an ad they made up on set but I mean that was like they redo that in the movie Better Off Dead where he gets the wife the husband's annoying and she gets a grapefruit

that was the original grapefruit yeah yeah yeah that's a reference to that okay oh yeah that's right but I never knew that

I haven't watched enough old movies me neither me and the wife get together about once a month I was thinking the the wife get together about once a month I was thinking the same thing Once a month we see each other

Separation's very healthy for us I like that because we watch a lot of TV We have your pick for a movie My pick for a movie We watch a TV show together She always hates me doing it I go we're watching an old black and white movie But then we enjoy it I watch an old we're watching an old black and white movie. And she's like, but then we enjoy it.

We enjoy it. I watch an old golden age film, man. The only one that holds up are like some of the best. I'll tell you what happened with old movies and why this next generation is kind of screwed, right? So in Australia, I had four TV channels. On Sundays, there was a guy that used to introduce on one of the four channels a Golden Age movie.

It'll be a Shirley Temple film or a Mar and Park kettle or a Laurel and Hardy or whatever, some type of film. And my mother would watch them every Sunday. And we had one TV in the house, so I had to watch it. And then they had TNT movies where you can have a channel of these movies all the time, but the kids aren't turning into that channel. So we were sort of forced to watch these old films.

These films will die now because we have too much variety that no one, except for historians, will ever go back and ever watch them. You won't catch one by accident anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's kind of what, like, I mean, not to promote myself, but that's kind of what I've been trying to do on, like, Instagram and TikTok is make, like, old Hollywood stories, like, I mean, not to promote myself, but that's kind of what I've been trying to do on like Instagram and TikTok is make like old Hollywood stories like funny and like relatable,

bring in other pop culture references so people are like, oh, I can compare Kim Kardashian or whatever, like references that they might catch their attention so that they can like learn about all movies and maybe be like, oh, I want to see where this originated. But that's like the goal. You can Google like top 100 old films, top 100 movies of the 40s or 50s, whatever.

And if they've stood the test of time, they'll all be bangers. You're not going to get in there and be disappointed. I've seen all the old Doris Day, Rock Hudson ones and all that type of stuff. I love all those films. I started watching recently a lot of old Elvis movies because, you know. They're all on TVM right now too. They're all around.

And they put them all on Netflix as well. They're all just sitting there. And I saw the Hawaii one before I went to Hawaii. It's gold, man. There's this girl, really good-looking lady waiting for Elvis. He's just come out of the army. The plane lands in Honolulu, and he's on the plane, and she's there waiting for him with a lay like this, right?

Elvis gets off the plane and he's making out with an air stewardess in the doorway. In the doorway, he's making out with the air stewardess like he's banged her on the flight, right? And he's making out with her and he's like, hey, honey, haven't seen you for a while. No problem. They're like, oh, this guy, women like him.

That's how they started girls like him in case you haven't it's a setup scene yeah and that's like the best all of his movies some of those are yeah that's a really good one that's that's that's where he sings uh he sings that to an old lady sitting in a chair but then there's another bit where they just like sort of knock one fat hawaiian guy for a while with a song like, he eats too much. He eats too much. And the guy's sitting there with a ukulele like, I am a bit fat. And then they kick sand in his face.

Sand kicking, sand kicking. Jesus. Never seen another thing. Oh, they're good. It's just like that Eddie Murphy thing where there's one banging tune in each one and then the rest of them are just chatting about it. There's a movie called Clambake, right? Clambake, which literally the signature song is,

Clambake, going to have a Clambake. They're just pumping him out, right? What's the one where he plays a half Native American guy? Well, there's another one where he plays an Arab where he has like a sheik's head on top of him. Oh, dear. Look, there's some... Like, Jailhouse Rock's not a bad film. You can watch Jailhouse Rock.

I don't know. I'm going to start with some of these classics. Lamy Tender's not a bad movie. Yeah, I wouldn't start with all those movies. No, I would start with like Gone with the Wind or Casablanca or something. I haven't seen her. I need to watch that.

Yeah, go watch Gone with the Wind. Watch all the Hitchcock ones. The Hitchcock ones are great. Because they do have them on airplanes. They still do have a couple on the airplanes where they're trying to get people like, hey, you could watch an old film. Because I watched them like the Maltese Falcon or something. I was like, that was good.

I liked it. There was some action. There was mystery. All the thrillers are done very well back in the United States. Yeah. All right. I thought my phone was off. I've seen every Shirley Temple movie several times. I used to watch those growing up.

My mother loves Shirley Temple. My mother collected Shirley Temple dolls, and she'd go, oh, she was wonderful for a six-year-old. Yeah, the Shirley Temple dolls. go, oh, she was wonderful for a six-year-old. The way... Who gave Shirley Temple her first on-screen kiss when she was a teenage girl? And it was very salacious because Shirley was getting kissed.

Fatty Arbuckle. Tom Hanks. Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan gave the first on-screen kiss. I know why he was president. No, she was a teenager at that stage. On the lips. He wasn't much older.

He was only 42. At first, the PCA did not allow anti-Nazi films to proliferate. Why? He was pretty close. Yeah, in the original motion picture production code, there's a segment where it says that you can't degrade

or portray other countries or other prominent leaders in a negative light. And that was, I mean, in 1930. So, I mean, that was before. So that was in the 1930s. Yeah, it was like 1930, I guess, when they would have written that. But how did Charlie Chaplin do The Great Dictator? Was that the year before?

No, I think The Great Dictator is like 1940 or 41. How did he get away with that? Did we all decide? Once they realized that the Nazis were good, it was no good. I mean, kind of. I mean, I think Warner Brothers did the first anti-Nazi film in like 1938. I think once the FBI uncovered an actual Nazi spy ring, they were able to make a movie about it called Nazi Spy Ring or something.

And then it just kind of opened the floodgates. So yeah, I think it was once they realized, oh, this is not good. This is not good. There's a lot of weird pro-Nazi stuff before World War II. So who did we fight in wars? Because now I always feel like it must be hard. Like before the Russians invaded the Ukraine,

before that when Russians were just depicted in every film, it was like, I'm glad the guy. And that's just white actors getting it. Like after 9-11, I think Arab actors were like, cha-ching, I'm going to be in every year's episode of 24. But it's not like they're using Russians to play the Russians. They weren't even getting the acting jobs, and they're always depicted in films as being the villain,

the villain, the villain. So if we weren't allowed to show off Hitler or whatever like that, apart from movies like Gone With The Wind, which involved the Civil War, who did we use to fight then if we weren't allowed to depict foreign countries? Who were we allowed to fight? If they weren't allowed to take the piss out of the Nazis. So let's say you had a World War I movie.

You couldn't have Germans? No, I think, I don't know for sure. I think they could probably depict like past events. I mean, because there are World War, there's like quite on the Western front, there are World War I movies, but I don't think a lot of those that I've seen, a lot of them are focused more on like

the soldiers returning from war or the home front or just like the action of it. I feel like even in the original Top Gun you didn't know who the enemy was I think we did a bit of that right I think it was just like vague why was John Wayne allowed to play Genghis Khan

that's not because of rules just why like who let that through who saw John Wayne and they go we're gonna do a movie about Genghis Khan. I've got, you're a guy. I mean, same thing in Breakfast at Tiffany's. I mean, with Mickey Rooney.

I really don't like that. No, but you can say like Mickey Rooney. Mickey Rooney at least was funny. Like as racist. John Wayne wasn't even good. Out of a Western, he wasn't. No, no, no, but that's another old movie I've seen is Breakfast in the 70s. You don't even need

that character. You don't need the character in the movie. And then he was just like, I can be an Asian guy. And I think... But what about people who had never seen an Asian? Didn't they deserve something? The whole reason he was Asian is because saying Holly go lightly and that accent, he thought would be funny.

Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason. I mean, have you seen any Charlie Chan movies? Yeah. I was just going to say Charlie Chan. It's all these like white, white actors. Like a lot of times British actors playing Charlie Chan, who's like a detective from

Honolulu. Yeah. He's Chinese or whatever. Probably Japanese. Yeah, I guess Chinese. But I don't think all those, or the ones, maybe you disagree. I just feel like the ones I've seen, they're not all, yeah, it's a 1930s perspective of another race,

but I don't think they're like purposefully degrading. I think they're trying to show. Oh, no, I don't think they thought they were doing that at the time. I don't think they thought they were getting away with something. But I think there's different levels. Like some of them, it's like, okay, yeah. And then sometimes you have to be like, well, back at the time that's what they knew about other countries. I was just on the Jungle Cruise at Disneyland the other day. That's what I was going to bring up. And they

had all the black sort of native looking guys with bones in their noses that used to climb up the pole and there was that one white guy. Now that's a very multicultural pole now. They've changed. They're going to bid everything for everyone. Oh, they're scaring up on the pole? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all.

You remember the movie Kickboxer with Jean-Claude Van Damme? I do indeed, of course. When they're all training, it was the same thing. They're all training. I've seen all the classics. Yeah, when they're training, they're doing it in all their different cultural ways and the black guy does it.

He just scales up a palm tree and chops down a coconut. You're like, okay, that's how he trains. Yeah, same shit. Alright, Gone With The Winds production had to pay a hefty fine for use of what word? Jim said damn. That was correct? You got it, yeah.

They got a point. We know it's not like picking an ear. I think that he... It's kind of the racial thing. I think he should have said more. She kept on leading him on, pushing him away, leading him on. And he's like, all right, I'm done with this relationship.

But Red, but Red, what am I going to do? Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. And today you'd go, I don't know. I can get on fans only or something. Only fans? I don't know. What are you going to do? 1948, the Paramount decision. What happened in the 1948 court case, the

Paramount decision? How did that change things? I mean, I think it was like an antitrust. Before then, all of the major studios owned their own chains of theaters. You'll see Fox theaters and whatnot. And basically I think they were like, it's a monopoly so that it became like independent theaters.

And then they couldn't control the independent theaters because they would show like foreign films, which didn't have to adhere to the code or art films that didn't have to add to the separation. They kind of lost control, but that was just, it was just overturned. Oh, really?

Yeah. So like like because like now that Netflix is buying theaters and stuff that's right. This is why you can movie studios are allowed

to exhibit their own movies in their own theaters. Oh, yeah. What about the $10? So it is movie passes back. Yeah. We've had

excited about that. I feel the movies are getting cheaper. I feel like they're making it. No, you're just getting richer. Sorry. Pretty expensive for me. It's like 18 bucks a movie.

1950? That's a deal. Just watching the cinema in your house. So relatable. I just paid for Spectrum. We watched the new, so I got a little seven-seater cinema in my house and everything.

It was very small. It's a humble cinema. But anyway, so we have reclining chairs in there. And my sister-in-law, we watched the new Dragon thing with the Game of Thrones Dragon thing last night. And so we reclined the chairs. And then my sister-in-law, she got up while the chair was reclined and sat on the leg bit, which obviously makes the whole chair topple over, right?

Everyone knows that. If you see a lazy boy with the legs hanging out, don't just sit on the thing. Don't just sit on the thing or make the thing topple over. And we all went, what if you did not recline the chair back like that? And she goes, well, and she complained. She went, in the real movies, the chairs are bolted to the ground. Like I was some cheap ass who put these fucking loose lying chairs

in me house. I'm like, yeah, you got me there. You got me there. In the real movies, they're bolted to the ground. You also would owe me 20 bucks. Yeah, I went out and got my welding machine. 1952 Supreme Court case, Bernstein versus Wilson Granite

movie makers, what? Craft services? Craft services? I think they got protection under the First Amendment. So they finally from 1915 to 1952 did it and then after that they had protection of free speech. So anything sacrilegious,

they couldn't declare something was sacrilegious or what not yeah Quentin Tarantino gets to say the n-word because there's some theaters not willing to take a risk to show movies without the PCA approvals so then some theaters started going fuck you we're just going to show whatever we want

there's still things that you can't do in film now right there's still there's still things you know we have self-imposed yeah you can't do in film now, right? There's still things you don't have to do. Well, we have self-imposed now that there's a rating system. You can't have a movie called The Holocaust Never Happened. You could, but it's illegal to be a Holocaust

tonight. Tell that to Mel Gibson. What about that conspiracy theorist guy that was on the Jim Jefferies show? He wasn't a movie maker. He was a Jew. And then lastly, what was the code replaced with in 1968? Then it became the rating system that we know

today, or like we were talking about before without PP-13. So it was replaced with the rating system. Okay, so I have something for you. I'm sick and tired of movies being called family movies. Do you have kids? Do you have kids? Me, no.

Okay. With kids, family movies, they're just for kids. They're not for the family. They're just for kids. They're called Pixar movies, family movies. I like them. They're fine. You can watch them with your family, but there's nothing for the dads.

Put a bit of porn at the end. One move. Like the kids should be asleep. You're now left out of the family. I'm sitting there going, this isn't a family movie. I thought Paw Patrol was good. Apparently you like watching porn with your family.

Yeah. Inclusivity is for everybody but white men. Yeah, yeah. Oh, except for white men. That's the definition. Oh, I didn't know. That's fair enough. You got me there.

Forgot about that. Yeah, that's true. I'm sorry for speaking up, everyone. It's a fact. Yeah. All right. Now's the time of our show called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our guests to give us an obscure, interesting fact.

And it doesn't have to be about this because we, you know, we, when we, when we contacted you, you talk about everything like in this old Hollywood, the golden age of Hollywood. So it can be anything in the golden age of Hollywood, some sort of interesting or obscure fact that our listeners can use to impress people. I guess I had, yeah, I guess I had a couple that were kind of on topic.

Like we were talking about the original Scarface and gangster movies, I guess before, I mean, back in the day, they would actually shoot real bullets at the actors. Oh, well, it still happens to this day. Yikes. Really? Alec Baldwin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They'd have like sharpshooters, I guess, from like World War I or whatever. That would shoot the bullets out of the sky? Yeah, yeah, yeah. One shooter, man. I've got you covered. I've been watching shooter, man. I've got you covered. I haven't lost an actress all week. I've got your six.

Ooh, crafty. Wait, wait, wait. Sleeping on the job. Wait, so they'd have sharpshooters shoot at the actors? Like what? Or like you... I mean, there was like blocking,

but like they'd have, you know, they had like one... They'd use real bullets. They wouldn't shoot at the actors. They'd move the other actor out and they'd do the thing. They'd kill the other. out and they do the thing but you'd be at craft services and your packet of doritos would just explode chips everywhere he said the other one was like callie and i well we were talking about the other day the first actor that won best actor you guys

might know this actually emile jannings he was German and he went back to Germany during, in like the thirties. And he was a Nazi sympathizer. A little bit stars changed his name. Huh? No, no, no.

So he, uh, so I guess like at one point when his town or whatever, it was being bombed. He went and got his Oscar and like held it up to the Americans and was like look I have Oscar I have Oscar don't you know shoot me but I don't think the Americans bought it I mean I don't think they killed

him. Oh sorry from the that guy's got a gun I think she means on the ground yeah yeah yeah on the ground I heard I read this somewhere or heard it somewhere I'm not super sure if it's true but I heard the Oscars only exist because

actors are wanting to unionize and the studios were like oh we can't let that happen well put on a little award show for these guys to keep them appeased I think on our podcast you heard that yeah yeah I might have brought it up again it might have been me previously hey I said this to the Roosevelt dumbasses

stupid trophy yeah it was something like that. Yeah, it was one of our episodes. And they had the studio system until like the 40s or 50s, so I guess it worked. Yeah, I forget. It was a different world back then. Back in the original Oscars, everyone slapped everyone.

It was commonplace. Yeah. It was commonplace. That's how you congratulated her. Yeah, it was a congrats slap. And all the women were bald. It was the fashion of the time. They were picking on one girl like this.

Hey, Rita Hayworth, look at all of your hair, you hairy woman. Well, follow Madeline Hanson. She makes great videos on Instagram and TikTok on the golden age of Hollywood. It's Maddie Hanson underscore one on Instagram and TikTok on the golden age of Hollywood. It's Maddie Hanson underscore one on Instagram and on TikTok. It's Madeline Rose H1.

Rose H1. We'll have those on our YouTube and on all of our platforms that we have our podcast. Thanks for being here, Madeline. Thank you. I appreciate that. A little dinner party fact,

but Madeline was the original singer of the band Hanson. Oh, wow. Move up and did. She's older now. I transitioned. Oh, I wasn't a girl. Oh, no.

So many misspent nights in my bedroom. Oh, God. Thank you very much for being on the podcast. You're a good laugh. I'm going to start following you and checking out your clips. Awesome. Thank you. Just online.

I appreciate that. Just online. I'm not going to go over to this great Gatsby house that you have and be showing up with a martini. I know Baz Lohman. All us Australians know each other. Ladies and gentlemen. Alrighty.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and says, there was a German bloke in Germany with an Oscar and I didn't shoot him, go, well, I don't know about that, and walk away. Good night, Australia.