I Don't Know About That - Poker

Episode Date: October 18, 2022

In this episode, the team discusses poker with professional poker player, comedian, and host of the Tournament Poker Edge podcast, Clayton Fletcher. Follow Clayton on Instagram and Twitter @claytoncomic ! Make sure to check out Clayton's podcast, the Tournament Poker Edge podcast wherever you listen to podcasts! Our merch store is now live! Go to idontknowaboutthat.com for shirts, hoodies, mugs, and more! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! Go to JimJefferies.com to buy tickets to Jim's upcoming tour, The Moist Tour.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Italians, Chinese, who's better at desserts? You might find out. I don't know about that. We're Jim Jefferies. The answer is the Italians. Asians can't do desserts. I'll die on this hill. You can call me what you want, but they're not known for their desserts.

You love Chinese food. I love the Asian food. Big fan. Big fan of all of them. Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Malaysian. Love it all. Don't do desserts. You don't know what you're doing.

That mango with the sticky rice in Thailand is a bit of a treat, but you never feel it. It's not the same as chocolate. Thai is okay. There's a Thai dessert place here in LA. Stop with the red bean. No, no, no. They do a grilled coconut milk thing that's amazing,

but Thai almost has it, but I'm with you. Mochi's good. Mochi's okay. It's okay. I'd rather just an ice cream sundae with that goop around my ice cream yeah yeah it's goop yeah fucking goop it is the best mochi i had was when we went to that japanese place and they made it and they packed it in front of you or heroes yeah and they packed it and that was good that was that was that's what i was saying

dude that that dessert their dessert courses were pretty good oh no boo doesn't even fuck around with asian desserts no boo just goes you want carrot cake yeah you want to sleep i had a carrot cake with some ginger ice cream on top of it was a delight and a bread pudding fantastic i remember when we were on um uh where was it in hong k Kong and we went to that. That Michelin star place. Yeah. And it was like a three hour meal. It was fantastic.

I think about that meal all the time. Yeah. It was called. That's probably my favorite Michelin star. I think it was all. Everything was like one meal was served in a Dr. Zeus book. Why am I forgetting?

Another one was like baby food. It was kind of a crazy name. I think. Yeah. I just popped out of my head. They did that stuff where you put things in a Dr. Seuss book. Why am I forgetting what it's called? Another one was like Baby Food. It was kind of a crazy name, I think. Yeah, it just popped out of my head. They did that stuff where you put things in your mouth and then smoke came out of your nose. Yeah. Fantastic. I'll remember it in a second, but...

God damn it. Anyways, and then... To its credit, it was easy to get a reservation there for you guys. It was, yeah. But it was so fucking good i think about it too and i can't remember the fucking name of it there's a lot of oh bow innovation it was like so good and then they nailed yeah they had the book that they had

the four the yeah it was amazing and then um and then the desserts came and it was like it was like no michelin star restaurant desserts are never that good they're never that good because they always I was like no no bad Michelin star Michelin star restaurant desserts are never that good they're never that good because they always

try to over like Heston Blumenthal does like good food and stuff like that but you know Gordon Ramsay

will always do sticky date pudding or something like that it'll be pretty fucking boss but then they're always like and this is marinated in Grand Marnier

with a thing. And you're like, get the fuck out of here. Fuck off with your fucking alcoholic fucking dessert. Let me just read you the menu. Give me a brownie with a scoop of ice cream. I agree. That's all you want.

This is the current, this is the current menu at bow innovation. This is the name of the dishes. Dogs playing Mahjong. Yeah. Fish magic. The birth of Venus. Scream.

Pollock Pollock. The basket of bread. Chicken Picasso, autumnal cannibalism, sunflower, the garden of Eden. Oh, they got rid of the fucking Dr. Seuss book. No, it's been like five years. There was one where it was like they gave us a gummy that was shaped like a dragon on a bit of paper. No, it was made out of like some sort of natural thing.

Yeah, it looked like it was like on a soup spoon. Yeah. And it was like, it looked like egg yolk, but there was all this stuff they put inside it and you eat it and it was like. Oh, yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, the Dr. Seuss book, they opened it,

it had like egg and pork thing in there and something. Oh, we sound like cunts. Green eggs and ham probably. We're not men of the people. No, no, no. I just went along for the ride. It was me, you and wife i'm the third wheel always i'll come along i needed company yeah uh yeah that place bonovation very very affordable i'm

looking at what gigs i got coming up oh um let's see when does this come out uh you're gonna have uh the kaluna kaluna how do you say it? Kelowna. Kelowna, Canada. Kelowna, Canada. That one's going to sell out. That one's coming out. Going to sell out. And then you've got Vancouver, British Columbia on the 21st and 22nd of October.

Kelowna is the 20th. That one's going to sell out too. The 27th of October, Columbus, Ohio. Not sold out. Plenty of tickets. Plenty of tickets. If you're a scalper, you're in for a rude awakening. Just don't go out on the street.

October 28th, Pittsburgh, you added a show. They added a show. I didn't even know this show was being added. You're at the Carnegie Lecture Hall. Yeah, the first show sold out. The second show, there's tickets. It's just gone on sale. Get in there.

And then, of course, you're inonto toronto uh there's still some tickets that for the night before the friday the two shows on the friday for the special are now sold out but the the thursday night before has a few left the third november 3rd there's still tickets in toronto november 4th of the special there are no tickets you're saying no tickets for the special any longer november 3rd if you want if you're in toronto and you want to see Jim. They may, because they've blocked off loads of seats for this special for camera angles and stuff like that. And every now and again, the director might come in and go,

I'll get rid of that camera. So like 100 seats might open up on the day before or something like that. So look out if you want to. If you want to, not too far, drive down to Columbus. Drive down to Columbus. You'll get a lovely road to yourself. You put your popcorn down to Columbus. You'll get a lovely road to yourself. You put your popcorn next to you.

Put your feet up on the seat in front. You'll have a wonderful time. I don't know because I sold out Columbus last time. I don't know what I did wrong, but it was during my heavy drinking period. You had to move the date is what happened. No, no, no. But even then, like this has had a long time to sell. I must have done something wrong in Columbus because everything else is selling fine. Like, I'm not saying there's no one going to be there. There's going to be, you know... It looks okay. I'm looking around.

The front section's pretty full. No, no, no, it's going to be half sold. The front section's pretty full. There's going to be 1,500 people there. Over here, it's like a little bit, yeah, and that's not bad. Yeah, no, there's going to be 1,500 people there. It's not going to be nobody. Oh, yeah. That section needs some help. I'm clicking on Columbus right now. Oh, yeah, no, I'm just saying don't rush to get your tickets. Yeah, you can get them at the door. Yeah, feel out what your week's like on the day.

Yeah. Do you have a tummy ache? That's okay. Rear balcony. But please know, because of the ticket sales in Columbus, this is the last time I'll be visiting Columbus. So if you do want to see me. Unless you guys get your shit together right now.

It doesn't make sense. All the other markets sold really well. Get in a smaller place. I won't make the trip. So this will be last time in Columbus. Well, but you do Cleveland and Cincinnati. I do Cleveland and Cincinnati. Cleveland always sells great.

Yeah. Well, come on, Columbus. You can do it. There's still Cincinnati. I do Cleveland and Cincinnati. Cleveland always feels great. Yeah. Well, come on, Columbus. You can do it. There's still time. I know. But also, you know, look, there's maybe, I don't know, uni kids or something, but there's also COVID. It's a hard hit area.

There's always. Ohio State football season. You know, you can't compete with the Ohio State football team. I know this much about comedy and booking dates. There'll always be something getting in your fucking way. You'll be like this, why is this nowhere near? Oh, World Series is on. Right.

Yeah, the club always tells you that you land and they're like. And that happens every year. Yeah, they're always like, oh, strawberry festivals this week. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's some things that help out. Some things you go to Calgary and why have I sold an extra show? Rodeos in town. Hell yeah, rodeos.

We have a lot of rodeo fans. Yeah, daytime activities I fucking clean up on if they're happening through the day. Or if you go to a place that's cold weather in the winter, killer. If you go to like Minneapolis in the summer, forget it. No one's there. They're out just frolicking. They don't want to be in there in the summer. All of Great Britain. Yeah. minneapolis in the summer forget it no one no one's they're out just frolicking yeah they don't want to be in there in the all of great britain yeah don't tour in the

summer yeah they don't want to go indoors yeah i was gonna do stare at the sun they stand out front of pubs with bees on the street yeah i was gonna do a tour through norway in the summer with the same people that tour you in europe the the same company and they were like you can't come here in the summer i've seen norway People in Norway are not going in the summer. I've seen every country on this planet at its worst. That's when I go. Yeah.

Come here when there's nothing to do. All right. And then our Patreon, crushing. Patreon.com slash idcat. We got people listening to it. It was good. We did a good one just today. Yep.

What were the things we laughed about? Oh, all of the stuff. We were laughing the whole time. The whole time. No, no conflict either. No. Yeah. I think we're-

That wasn't a fight. I think as a friend group, we're closer than ever. Yes. I mean, when you have a discussion like that, you only can get closer. The resolution was really good. Yeah. Beginning was rocky. Yeah. Yeah, and I let you touch it. Yeah, which we appreciated. Okay. Okay. All right, please welcome our guest today, Clayton Fletcher. G'day, Clayton Fletcher. Now it's time to play.

Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Yes, no. Judging a book by its cover. Well, Clayton's sitting in a kitchen, so is it cooking related? No. No. You've actually met Clayton about five years ago. Really? I don't remember anyone, Clayton.

Don't take any offense. I told him that. I don't remember anyone. I don't remember anything. Yeah. I was in fucking Canada the other day, and the guy that was driving me from the airport, he was like, hey, good to see you again. I was like, oh, sorry, I don't remember anything yeah i was in fucking canada the other day and the guy that was driving me from the airport he was like hey good to see you again i was like oh sorry i don't i don't really remember you guys we went go-karting together and i was like we went go-karting

i don't think you guys had a day trip yeah how can i remember the guy if i don't remember the go-karting i don't remember being strapped into a chair and whizzing around a track with a hot helmet on our guest for the metal music episode you you'd met too. He was here in person. He had a big beard on, to be fair. Yeah, I'll remember him now. I'm always good. The second meeting, Clayton, I'm all over it. So the third meeting, I'm going to remember. Clayton is a comedian, but he's not here to talk about comedy. We've already done that, as you know, but that's not what he's here to talk about. Where did we gig together, Clayton?

Caroline, to New York. Oh, right. Okay. Well, that's a long time ago. Yeah. That's more like 10 years ago now. It might have been more than five years. Yeah.

Who knows? After the pandemic, I lost all track of space and time. Oh, yeah. Forrest was telling me about the Seattle Mariners that won 116 games a couple of years ago. 2001. Yeah. A couple of years ago. It was Yeah. A couple of years ago. It was the 9-11 season, Forrest.

A couple of years ago. I said a few years back. I don't know. Hey, seems like yesterday. Time's a social measure. We're all getting old. Okay. So comics.

So not a doctor. I won't ask the question. Not a doctor. You never know. Not a doctor. You never know. Not a professor. So this is going to be pop culture. Ken John was a doctor. You never know.

Yeah, Ken John was a doctor. Yeah, sure. We got one. I know another doctor, another comedian who's a doctor in Britain. Yeah, it's not about medicine. There's no medicine involved in this at all. Okay, not medicine, not this at all. Not medicine. Not the human body. This is something that

you like. Is it debauchery? You do like it. A little. It was hard to write that outline, but yes, it's debauchery. Is it being hedonistic? With food by myself in front of a mirror sitting naked and eating.

Wow, that is debauchery. It could be associated with debauchery. You like doing it. Is it sex? Yes, totally. No, I don't even like doing that anymore. Those days are over. No.

Give me a hint. You do this at your house. So it's not sex. You do this at your house. So it's not sex. You do this at your house, not by yourself. You invite people over to do this at your house. Oh, barbecue. No. Watch TV.

No, you invite. You yell at people. You've had groups of people over at your house to do this. Board games. Close. Getting there. Charades. I don't get invited to these nights. Me either. Oh, poker. we unfortunately have to do this board games close getting there charades I don't get invited to these nights

me either oh poker glad that that was the important girls don't get to come when we burn the effigy of a woman one time I thought

about a poker game and getting a dealer in and then you know it's like all the dealers were like female on this website

and I was like I don't know why not well Amos would talk and be himself all the dealers were like female on this website. And I was like, I don't know. Why not? Well, Amos would talk and be himself. Your reputation. That'd be wrong. Let me introduce Clayton property.

Clayton Fletcher is a professional poker player with over $500,000 in major tournament winnings. Oh, Carolyn. Yes. Twice finished in the top 100 of the world series of poker, the most prestigious global event, which attracts eight to 9,000 players annually. And he is the host of the World Series of Poker, the most prestigious global event, which attracts 8,000 to 9,000 players annually,

and he is the host of the weekly tournament Poker Edge podcast. He's also a professional comedian, and Clayton's second album, Middle Child Syndrome, will be recorded live at the Westside Comedy Club in New York City on November 12th. He's on everything as at Clayton Comic, and I mean by

everything, I mean Instagram and Twitter and I guess every other social media platform. Only fans. Yeah, only fans at Clayton comic. And I mean, by everything, I mean, Instagram and Twitter and I guess every other social media platform. Only fans. Yeah. Only fans at Clayton comic. Thanks for being here, Clayton. Thanks for having me.

Okay. First question. How do I enter that world thing? I reckon I'd do all right. I wouldn't win, but I get in the, I'm a good poker player. I am a good poker player,

but I, I, I, you know, I like motivation. Those are pros though. Yeah. I reckon I'd do player, but I, you know, I like motivation. Those are pros, though. Yeah, I reckon I'd do all right. Think you'd do good?

I won a couple of, like, medium-sized tournaments against them, like, back when we could play it online. I did all right. Clayton can take you under his wing. I'd be even on my poker playing money, even. I wouldn't be up, but I'd be even. Because there was a lot of cocaine-filled nights that I was trying to come down in Britain and played poker,

and some of those bets got a bit aggressive. Like I knew I hadn't won, but fuck you. I'm not going down. How did you become like a professional poker player, Clayton? How did that happen? Yeah, so I come from a poker and entertainment family my mother was a poker player I have an uncle that's involved in poker I was always around the game growing up so my mother's a poker player my father's a jazz musician so we had kind of a house of debauchery growing up in Baltimore. And then when I got into entertainment, I have a degree in theater.

And in between gigs, I would kind of make ends meet, where some people maybe like drive a cab or wait tables or whatever. I would just go down to Atlantic City and play poker or play online or whatever. And I end up paying my rent that way. So it just never stopped. And I kind of obsessed with the game. I think it's the best game ever made. Texas I kind of obsessed with the game.

I think it's the best game ever made. Texas Hold'em is the best game on earth. Yeah. For actually playing against another person and tactics and all that type of stuff. He said he's going to teach me how to play. Clayton and I have been online friends for, I don't know, five, six years now. And we just met face to face yesterday for the first time. Oh, wow. He was like, I've been waiting for this request.

That's scary. No, I mean the request to be on the show. Oh, I see. Not for the FaceTime. I've been waiting for this. He's seen the rest of Kelly,

but never a face. He loves the view of my asshole. Yeah. I said, Kelly, I have to be on your podcast. And she's like, well,

it's actually Jim's podcast. Okay. Jim too, yeah. All right, I'm going to ask Jim some questions about poker. And at the end of these questions, Clayton, you're going to grade him on his accuracy, 0 through 10, 10's the best. Kelly's going to grade him on confidence. I'm going to grade him on et cetera. And then we'll add them all together, 0 through 10.

Poker, I hardly knew her. That's what that one is. 11 through 20, poker mon. Yeah, I poked the mom, yeah. No, like Pokemon I know 21 through 30 Edgar Allen Poker

yeah I couldn't come up with anything better than that yeah yeah no that's perfect I'm from Baltimore so is he I didn't know that

until right now so yeah how about Poker Face yeah you know there's a Russell Crowe movie coming out called Poker Face that I was meant to be in and I couldn't

I couldn't be in the film because I had to be there for the birth of my child. Regrets. I could have been in a movie with Russell Crowe. Yeah. I'm sure you won't bring that up to your kid ever. Yeah, yeah. Liam Hemsworth did it. Every time he misbehaves.

Liam Hemsworth and Russell Crowe's in the film, and I'm just going to be with my kid. Yeah. I was there for your birth. When was poker first played? See, this is the history of poker. I won't know. What do you think I'm going to ask you?

What are royal flushes? Yeah, I know what that is. Yeah. When was poker first played? Okay, so we have to go back in time now. Yes, we do. That's how that works. Usually how history happens.

So cards, they would have something to do with pagans We have to go back in time now. Yes, we do. That's how that works. Usually how history happens. So cards, they would have something to do with pagans and all that stuff. I know that cards always map the earth. So you have 52 weeks in a year. You have 52 cards. You have four seasons. You have 12. So it all matches up to the seasons and all that sort so it would have been way way back um you're doing pretty good here bullshitting yeah no no no no but

i i i it would it would go way back i'm gonna say poker because cards because you you would have had cards and then you had to cards would have had to come first is what I'm saying. Yes, oh, that's a great point. Now, Texas Hold'em would be a newish thing because it comes from Texas, but five-card stud type of regular poker. Studs have been around forever. Yeah, I reckon we're talking about 1000 BC. 1000 BC? AD.

So then by whom was poker played? AD. Well, it wasn't Jesus. He was already dead, wasn't he? Jesus and the 12 disciples. Maybe if they did that, Pontius Pilate would have got into his fucking gold and pissed off or silver or whatever he fucking took, you cunt. Not Jesus.

Not Jesus. So I'm going to say it was started to be played in a meaningful way by the Romans soldiers before they went into war. What was it originally called? Well, it would have had a Roman name. If my theory works out, it would have had a Roman name, and it would have been called Caesar Floppy. How is it played?

There you go. How's poker played? Yeah. Which one? I don't know. There's so many different games. So Texas Hold'em, let's do the most popular one. Do a couple of them.

Texas Hold'em. You get two cards and then you have the flop that comes out, which is three cards. And then you have the next two cards. And you have to make the river and the turn. And then you've got to make your best five card hand out of that lot including your two cards. Well, not even including your two cards.

It could be without your two cards and you could split the pot and it could just be the one. So the best five card hand over that. You want the order of how important all the hands are. You've got a pair, two pair, three of a kind, three of a kind. Then you would go straight then you go flush then you go four of a kind then you go straight flush then you go royal flush you're not missing one in there i don't even play poker and three of a kind oh full house full house yeah where's that one? Yeah, full house. Where does full house land? Full house is above a flush.

And wait a minute. Is it before or after a four of a kind? No, it's not as valuable as a four of a kind. Okay. Okay, I definitely want an invitation to Jim's poker game. Oh, I stuffed that up, did I? No, no, you got it. It just took you a minute.

Yeah, you got it. When is the, what is the longest game of poker ever? And like, and who played in that game? Was it a tournament or was it just two people? I don't know. I don't know. Bill McNally and fucking Brian. No, it was, I mean, it would be, I think it'd be famous.

A famous game. Probably, right? Yeah. What is the longest game of poker ever? Like, like like bonus who played in that game uh it was it was kenny rogers and it was in one of his rotisserie chicken places he didn't know when to fold them yeah no he knew when to hold them and know when to follow them that's why the game took so long they had cocktails called islands in the stream oh wow in term wait how long was it oh 17 hours okay of course

in term of in terms of lucrative sports where does poker rank what are you like okay so i don't imagine that there's people earning as much as the say the top players in the nba or the top players in Formula One or something like that. But I would say it's right. I would say it's a top 10% sport of earnings for the top players. All right. What is the biggest ever poker win? 50 mil. 50 mil, okay.

When did online poker start? That would have been 2004. Where does the term passing the buck originate um i maybe the buck was the button and it comes from that okay but a buck is a sheep uh is and you get fleeced there's a lot of sheep money dialogue going on. Really? You've never been fleeced is when you get people steal your money? Never heard that. Oh, no, you're fleecing.

And then the buck passing the buck, it would come from when Jesus was playing poker with the shepherds. When did the World Series of Poker start? Well, the World Series of Poker, I remember watching poker on TV before there was online poker, and people started going a little bit crazy about poker. And I remember watching it in 1998 on television because I remember it was first year of university, and there was people going,

oh, you've got to watch this. That was the first time I was ever made aware of people watching it on tv uh and so you got to assume that it was before then and so I'm gonna say 1990 1990 what is the black friday of poker black friday of poker uh may 12th do you know what it is no it's may 12th man if i get that date right do you know what happens on it like what is um oh it's everyone gets uh to play for a free buy into the world series what were the very first poker chips made of? Everything that's old was made out of bone. Yeah, you might be right. I don't know.

Bone. When did 52 cards start being used? 52 from the fucking beginning, man. Right off the bat. Right. Okay. How many cards were used before that? 36.

I didn't make this question. Okay, 36. What are the odds of getting a Royal Flush? The odds? Yeah. I've gotten two. You have? I've gotten two. Like playing just at home?

Online poker. Online, okay. Chances are two. One of them I couldn't get anyone to go into the pot whatsoever. I got it off the flop and I was just like slow playing. Come on. So I won like nothing. And they were only two months apart.

And another one I cleared. I'm looking at the odds here. I've gotten two. What are the odds? And they were both red. I would say, well, so how many hands have I played? I played tens of thousands of wow that doesn't mean that's what the odds

are they're big I'll tell you that 80,000 to 1 the odds are small but I've had 2 it's hard to get small odds Andre Karpov used this unusual bet as a stake in a losing game

so this is what he threw in the pot. His leg. Okay. That's where you lose an arm and a leg. Yeah. That's a good guess. When was the wild card introduced? The Joker.

That's a wild card. 1962. I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't even know there was a wild card. It's not always. In Texas, Hold'em, there is a starting hand called the Anna Kournikova. Why is't know that was a thing. I didn't even know there was a wild card. It's not always. In Texas, Hold'em, there is a starting hand called the Anna Kournikova. Why is it named that? It's an ace king

and because it looks good, but it never wins. Is that right? Yeah, that one's right. Nailed it. Wow. Sorry, Anna. Offsuit ace king. What is notable about the lady luck underwater

poker tournament the lady luck underwater poker it's underwater i'm guessing that whole thing sounds special i had a lot of fun writing this outline okay a couple more questions here what happens at the angola prison rodeos event? The convict poker. It would be basically the plot line of the movie Stir Crazy with Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor, where they have all the, they have Gene Wilder having to go to a rodeo and then they'd have a,

oh, I know what it is. Yeah. The clowns, the rodeo clowns play poker in the middle of the ring while the bulls are running around and there's a bit of fun to watch okay as poker's popularity popularity rose many card companies tried to add a fifth suit what was it we've got spades clubs diamonds hearts what would be the fifth suit of Oh, the Pringle men.

I would love that. Why didn't it happen? I thought that would just be the Pringle company. Back when I was on Ecstasy, right? And you used to get all the different. Yeah, but back when I used to take a lot of Ecstasy, you used to get, like, I remember there was ones with swastikas on it that were unbelievable going around Perth at one stage. And you're like, you felt bad.

No, Ecstasy tablets. Oh. And then because you went, oh, shoot a minute, it's a swastika. But, you know, it's probably made by some bikies. But it was really good. And then there was Mitsubishis were a standard one. Then there was these different. And it was like they could press on those pills.

I'm marketing the Pringle, man. Yeah. Put it on the ecstasy tablet. I got a couple of Pringles. It'll already be good with ecstasy tablets. And got i got a couple of pringles it already good with ecstasy tablets and what's the slogan once you pop you can't stop once you pop you can't stop wait that's the slogan for pringles yeah yeah you didn't know that no you don't want to thought it was you always get your hands stuck your hands always get stuck and there's never

enough in there jake thought the slogan was this is like a tennis ball tube but you can eat it this time and you won't go to hospital. All right. Last question. I don't think that's a good slogan with drugs, though, by the way. It is for the dealers. These are underground fucking things. I'm not, you know, just if anyone is out there being nefarious

and making ecstasy tablets. Nancy Reagan's rolling over in her grave right now. Yeah, very slowly. What is a dead man's hand um well he's picking up his limp there's a hand called a dead man's hand uh dead man's hand is i i believe it's a it's a hand that looks like a winner that can't be beat that and someone else has already got the nuts so it's, you've got something good. You've got three of a kind or four of a kind.

This guy's got a straight flush and you're like, I can't lose. I've got four of a kind. That would be a dead man's hand. Okay. I don't know that for a fact. The follow-up question is why is it called that? But I think you explained your answer. So I think we're good.

All right. Clayton, zero through 10, how did Jim do in his knowledge of poker? 10's the best. I would say a two. Wow. I've got an Anaconda Kovac. I knew all the fucking odds of the things.

I'll give him the Anaconda Kovac. I like the Pringles idea. I think the fifth suit actually would have caught on had we used the Pringle guy, but it's not necessarily correct. All right, I'll try to boost my number. I'll think of an actual fucking thing.

The extra suit was a weed leaf. That would work. I want to play with your playing cards. Pringle man, weed leaf. How do you do on confidence, Kelly? I'm going to give him a 10 on bullshitting. This was fun. There was a lot of questions.

Unless you've watched a documentary, there's no way on earth you would know. Yeah, you wouldn't know these. I'll give you a 20. Because you know you're bluffing. Plus, you know, Clayton's from Baltimore. Alright,

when was poker first played? Jim said 1080. Since you gave him a 2, I don't think he got a lot of these right. When was poker first played? Jim said a thousand eighty. I'm since you gave him a two. I don't think he got a lot of these right. So when was poker first played and by whom? Not Jesus, right? Not Jesus. So he was correct on that.

I gave him a point for not Jesus. Poker was first played in New uh back in 1829 by french settlers okay oh yeah they were just just people who married ugly chicks trying to get away from their wives they knew they'd never get a 10 so they settled yeah i settled yeah i gotta play this game now So it was like invented there. Can I wage my wife? Yeah. Yeah. So they called it.

My French is terrible, but they called it poker. And so that's why the people down there, they already spoke a strange kind of English, like Cajun, French, whatever. And then they kind of were mispronouncing the name. So instead of poker, they were just calling it poker. Yeah. I like how you say your French is bad, but that's how I would pronounce it. It's a poker.

It sounds like you're just doing it. P-O-Q-U-E-S. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Also, Jim just mentioned waging somebody's wife, but that was the answer to the Andre Karpov question. The unusual stake in a losing game.

Well, a leg is part of it. Yeah. And I'm going to change to, now that I know this, the original chips were profiteroles. What's profiterole? The digestive cookie? No, the little tiny French, a little choux pastry filled with cream with a drop of a thing, and they make a profiterole.

You never heard of profiterole? No. Jim, don't change your answer. That's one of the few who got right. Wait a minute. Two? I got bones and a cornucoba and not Jesus, and I got a fucking two.

Not Jesus is the right answer. There are a bunch of questions. A lot of questions. Let's see. A lot of questions. So they just like, I always wonder how when people invent card games, they just sit around until they've, you know, and then this, then they just keep making the show.

So was that like a, that wasn't Texas Hold'em then? That was a stud poker, I guess? Or was that, do we know? Yeah, well, they only had 20 cards. So it really didn't resemble the game that we play today with the 52 card deck. So that's another one of the questions. We already had 52-card decks, right? No, no.

Back in the 1820s, they only had 20 cards in a deck of cards, and these French guys were playing a form of poker that only used 20 cards. It was about 10 or 15 years later, like in the late 1830s when they finally started using. Let's jump ahead to that. But also, 20 cards, magicians must have been shit. Three-card Monty was a lot easier to win at. Yeah, card counting at the casino.

I could have card counted. One, two. Okay, wait. So let's jump ahead to that. So they were using 20 cards originally. So what was on the cards, the 20 cards? Was it numbers, symbols? Yeah, so it was just kings and queens.

The game was invented by people that were kind of honoring the monarchy of their former country. So it would be like a French king or a french queen on the card so the king outranked the queen and the queen outranked the jack which i think back then was called the knave and so yeah and you know that from alice in wonderland where she says the knave of hearts right so yeah that's where that comes from the jack is actually the knave um and then later they wanted more cards so they just put a bunch of numbers on them because they were running out of royalty.

So that's why there's King Queen. Those must have been all good hands. Like, Hey, I have a little Jack's Kings. Yeah. Yeah. You only have 20 cards.

How bad can your hand be? On the set of legit, we used to play cards every now and again. Right. But DJ is very easy to trick. So I used to, I used to like, we have four players. I used to, like, we have four players.

I used to sort the cards out so that DJ would automatically get a royal flush. And then I'd deal them out, and then I'd do the flop, like this, right? And his eyes would just go, I'm all in. What you're talking about there, we call that stacking the deck. So that's a form of cheating. And you've heard that before, like the deck was stacked against you.

That means the cards were already set up for you to lose. Well, in this case, sounds like DJ was set up to win. And then you guys just wouldn't go in? Yeah, you wouldn't go in. Oh, I got a hand. Okay, so that would have been terrible to play blackjack back then you too like i got 20 what do you got 20 everybody's got 20 always 20 okay and then um so so then i guess i'm just i'm just working

backwards a little bit here so then when did 52 cards start being used yeah so maybe like uh 10 or 20 years later like some people think in the 1830s, definitely by the 1840s, we had the 52-card deck that we know today. So really the game of cards is an American thing, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I always thought it came from Europe. Yeah.

Well, I mean, poker is an American game. I don't know what the French, before they came over here, whether they were playing other card games with those 20 cards before they came here. That I don't know. But I know that, you know, poker is a purely American game. But, you know, it's something that the French kind of invented. Once again, the Americans riding the back of us immigrants.

No, no, no. We keep this country going. I going no but but poker is the game blackjack has to be america well it doesn't have to be american but before the numbers they couldn't play blackjack so that had i guess blackjack must have been invented well it was in france it was called negro john and then uh what's the other card games baccarat yeah baccarat that's french obviously yeah i never understand that when we'll do the casino i i feel like i i play all the games in the casino except for baccarat because i i feel like i'd be an idiot i don't even know what it

is i could do it i've been so confused by it i I've tried to learn it. It's a super simple game. It's just a coin flip, really. It's just you win half the time, lose half the time, a little more than half the time. I was watching Crazy Rich Asians, and they had the scene with all the mahjong, right? Oh, yeah. And I flippantly said to my wife, I said,

I reckon I'd be good at that game. I played it on computer before. I love that game. And I said, I reckon I'd be good at that game. And for Christmas, I got a fucking very expensive Mahjong set that has not been opened. Oh, let's figure it out. And I'm like, that's cool

Taze, but I need other players and I can't ring up all me comedy mates and go we're playing Mahjong. Let's do it. We'll do an IDCAT Patreon exclusive learning Mahjong. Let's do it. Call me up. We'll do an IDCAT Patreon exclusive learning Mahjong. Yeah, it's an old lady game. I can bring my half Chinese friend here, Tommy.

I'd lose me street cred if I had Mahjong nights. Kelly can't get invited to poker, but she's up for Mahjong anytime. Old lady game. I'm in. Can I be in bed by nine? Well, I have a set that looks like all the pieces are made out of elephant tusks, mate. I'm telling you, I'm ready to go. It's not.

Yeah, I can't imagine your wife buying you elephant tusks. No, no, no, my wife. It just looks like you're going to. Yeah, it looks authentic. Okay. How is poker played? Jim just described Texas Hold'em, two cards flop, river turn. Nailed it.

Yeah, yeah. Nailed it, yeah. Well, how many different? So there's Texas Hold'em, right? What happened? Oh, yeah. I've got. Yeah. Nailed it. How many different Southern Texas hold them, right? What happened? Oh, yeah. I've got to get a point for that. I've got Anaconda Cobra playing the thing. I've got Bones chips, and I've got a two. Get the fuck out of here. There's a lot of questions.

Jim, you've got a two. I'm sorry, man. There's a lot of questions. Except the two. You've got to take the L. You've got 45 questions. That's still pretty good, man. How many would have you gotten, Jack? Oh, I don't know. You wouldn't have gotten Anaconda Cobra. You wouldn't have gotten Bones. I wouldn't have gotten any. That's still pretty good, man. How many would have you gotten, Jack? Oh, I don't know. You wouldn't have gotten Anaconda Cove.

You wouldn't have gotten both. I wouldn't have gotten any. I didn't know any of these. I didn't even know any Anaconda Cove, so I would have gotten a one. Well, I know Anaconda Cove. I know it's played. I know it's played. Because whenever you're playing poker and there's someone who gets Anaconda Cove and they're like, all right, I've got me a little joke in me back pocket.

And they go, I got an Anaconda Cove. And you go, and they go, because it looks goodonda cover and you go and they go because it looks good but it never wins and you go yes yes why not the blackjack one the stepmother hand you know that one no what's that when you get a 17 it's the stepmother not the mother-in-law that's what they call it

you want to hit her but you can't that's it that's it oh my god I call it a four and an eight of Manchester because I'm mad for it. But apart from that, I've got no other little ones. There's a ton

of really fun nicknames for poker hands like 5-9 is Dolly Parton, 9-5. That's good. Jack 5 is Motown, Jackson five. Yeah. And five, five is a Tom Cruise. What are some other ones?

Yeah. So Jack four is a flat tire. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of hands have nicknamesnames uh pocket eight snowman you know not as cool but uh you know if ace king is sometimes called big slick 69 is called big lick

now the worst hands are seven two what's that called yeah that's just yeah we just call it seven deuce that one doesn't seem to have a nickname what about two aces doesn't that two aces is like yeah that's got a lot of nicknames uh pocket rockets uh weapons of mass destruction you know whatever you want to call them a lot of people say aces is their least favorite hand because it's really hard to know when when you're holding a pair of aces whether or not you're any good you always feel like you're winning and sometimes you aren. So we tend to either lose a small pot or win a small pot or lose a big pot when you have pocket aces. So it's a pretty frustrating hand, believe it or not. So what's the hand?

I call two queens, an Elton and a Freddie. Oh, yeah, queens and Trey. Queen Trey is a Chelsea waiter. Queen with a Trey. Oh, okay. What is considered the best hand to have then? Pocket Aces. That's the best?

That's your best hand, yeah. I thought it was like Queen 10 or something suited. No, I mean, Pocket Ace is the best starting hand, but as Jim described, the first three cards that come out on the flop in Texas Hold'em, that really changes the course of the hand. Like if you have two red aces in your hand and the flop comes like 10 of spades, nine of spades, eight of spades, there's a pretty good chance

that if you have more than one opponent, your pocket aces are just going to end up costing you a few bucks. Pocket aces can always cost you. They'll win big for you, but you'll have like pocket aces and then another ace will come up and you'll go oh I have to go all in someone gets a straight and you're like fuck it but you can't

no I just say you can't fold them you have to play them because they're pocket aces but they sometimes cost you money so a lot of players don't very few players actually say that pocket aces is their favorite hand even though it's the best hand to have so texas hold'em is the most popular of the of the poker games what what other poker games are

there yeah i mean texas hold'em by far is the most popular there's also omaha hold'em which is basically what jim described so accurately when he's answering the question how's it played he did a very good job in omaha you actually get four cards and you're required. He's stuck on that too. You know how people are very nice to me on this podcast, Clayton. He'll definitely remember you now, Clayton. Yeah, you forgot me, so I had to get even. I'll see you at the next gig.

I'll be like, fuck in that cut with the two. I met that guy in Caroline. She doesn't even remember me. I'm going to give him a two. Yeah. So Omaha is similar to Texas Hold'em, but instead you get four cards. And one rule that trips people up when they first learn the game is you have to use two of your cards. In Texas Hold'em, you can use one or even zero of your cards if it helps. But in that game, you absolutely must use two of the four cards you're dealt plus three from the board. And so when people first start learning that variant, that's

one that costs people some money because they forget that little very important rule. There's also seven card stud, which is a completely different game with no flop, no turn, no river. It's a different variant variant of poker five card draw that jim referenced is uh the original uh probably the closest to that poker that they were playing uh in new orleans early on um but yeah there's a lot of there's a million different variants like in wild west movies yeah yeah they always take two cards and I want two cards. Yeah, that's when you play as kids. Yeah, yeah. I always go.

So I like playing with my friends the most. And then it would be video poker, which you can't really do anymore, but they're sort of bringing it back. And my least favorite is playing with strangers in a casino because they're all knobs. I still do it, but you always get that. You play on that table, you bring in a couple hundred bucks and some guy's got 400, some guy's got 100. There's always that fuck with the glasses on with the earphones.

Oh, like sunglasses? Oh, yeah. You're like, come on, man. We're playing for a hundred bucks here, dude. And then there's always that nervous fella who, you can't afford this mate go home you shouldn't be here you know and like and you can't chat with everyone everyone's very serious at least like blackjack you can chat with people and we're all in the same boat but like the casino

playing tournaments are fucking yeah i'm a bit too lippy i'm never very popular on the table yeah but jimmy you know what you're talking about is very similar to what we do as comedians, right? I mean, you're kind of getting a read on your audience at the table. You're like, well, this guy clearly is, he can't afford it. This guy's kind of a douchebag with the sunglasses. By the way, the only people who wear sunglasses at the poker table are assholes.

Yeah, always. It's just, they wear wear some of them wear sunglasses that are mirrored yeah like i don't want to cheat mate but don't make it this easy you kind of get a feel for who you're up against because it's going to affect your strategy yeah this guy's afraid he's playing for too much money or something or he's trying to make his rent or something like yeah you should bluff that guy he's gonna fold unless he's got a really strong last time i played was in a casino in tucson i believe and um and i was sitting next to this asian old asian fellow we were doing that gig yeah yeah this old asian fellow was playing and he was very lippy and got in everyone when he

showed up to the table all the regulars like ah fuck guy. But this is the thing that killed me with this guy. He ordered buffalo chicken wings. Now, this is where I'm like, ah, fuck this guy. Yeah, but I'm not touching cards and things. There's certain foods that you can't have at a poker game. You can have something with a fork. Yeah, maybe, I guess. With a fork, you could be, oh, chopsticks. A sandwich is fine.

You can dust your hands off of the- But in his defense, he licked his fingers first. It's fine. That guy was gross, man. Then you would know, you'd get the next time, you'd be like, that guy had an ace queen, and you can see some buffalo marks on the cards. They did some shit things in that.

If you flipped over your cards, and you showed that you had a full house, every time you got a full house or a four of a kind or something like that they'd give you a token and then you were in the raffle to win a prison prize money every hour that announced the name and you could get a hundred bucks but i'd never i never show my cards so i didn't want to do that when i won because then they'll know when i'm bluffing and so it's like i missed out on all those tokens yeah well how many four four of a kind hands did you have i well i had i had two full houses okay and that was good enough to get

one of those tokens yeah you didn't want to yeah i didn't want to show them oh because they folded the other people yeah i got it okay yeah month three all right um what is the longest game of poker ever was it kenny rogers and a rotisserie chicken place? Well, Jim, you said it was eight hours. 17 hours. 17 hours, yeah. Not even close. This game lasted for eight years.

It's a famous, legendary story. So actually, it's a legend. Who knows if it's even true? But legend has it that in the wild, wild west, Diamond Jim Brady, Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday, a legend who knows if it's even true but legend has it that in the wild wild west diamond jim brady wyatt erp doc holiday and all the legendary uh you know you know figures from that time period played in arizona at the birdcage theater for over eight years now that's that's you know that's yeah but with breaks well yeah you know was it the same pot or is it just like we bring in new money because i'm sure there's people who've had longer than eight year poker games every wednesday night or whatever

no apparently this was i mean legend has it now but legend has it that this game ran continuously day and night for eight years and five months or something like that. Of course, it wasn't the same players, but the game itself never stopped. Once that game started, it kept going round the clock. Oh, I see. So they would go in and out. They're like, I got to rob a bank or something. Yeah. So these are some of the

famous players that were in it, but then apparently there were probably other players. Was there prostitutes in the building? Because there always seems to be on that second story. On the second story, there always seems to be hookers. Because that, I can see how that would have happened. If you could go upstairs, have a nap, shag a hooker, come back down and go, I got to win that back.

I mean, it's a saloon. You got your hotel upstairs. You can order a drink. You can have chicken wings at the table. Why do I ever need to leave? Jim would have really thrived in the wild, wild west. No, no, no, no, man. He gun. Oh yeah. That's a good point.

And I like healthcare. Have you ever been to the diamond gym casino in the middle of Lancaster, California? It looks so sketchy. It can't be good. I don't know that one. I don't know that one. No one should. I came across it on Google Maps just hunting around. You haven't even been.

I found it on Google Maps. Your story was I saw something from a satellite photo. It looks sketchy. I wouldn't go. I wouldn't go. I don't recommend it. You say about four things each podcast and you went, I've got one. I got one.

I thought it'd be good. I thought you were shooting a commercial out there or something. In terms of lucrative sports, where does poker rank? Jim said top 10%. I don't know. Yeah, I give Jim a little bit of credit for his answer, but the real answer is number one. Number one.

More than Michael Jordan because he plays that as well. Yeah, well, maybe he's part of why poker is so lucrative. Yeah. Really? Oh, really? When you say number one, are the most money exchanged as hands? Yeah, so if you win the Super Bowl, right, you don't win $18 million. Oh, yeah.

Right. If you win Wimbledon, they don't't win $18 million. If you win Wimbledon, they don't give you $10 million. This is the most lucrative game. How do I enter the World Series and how much will it cost me to buy in and can I go in? Yes, anybody can enter.

It's only $10,000 US and that's all it takes to play there's not like a cap to enter? no we want as many players as possible especially as many who don't know what they're doing as possible when is it?

yeah so it's every year in the summer except for one year right after COVID we did it in the fall but the main event usually starts right around 4th of July weekend and runs about 15 days, including breaks. And it's at, and it's at, well, like we can answer that question. When did it start? First of all, World Series of Poker.

Yeah. So the very first World Series of Poker was in 1970 at Binion's Horse Show. Yeah. Yeah. You weren't too far off on that one. Yeah. You said the nineties or something. Yeah. You were, you were in the ballpark there. Yeah. And that one wasn't actually a tournament. They just played all the different cash games that they played seven card stud, Raz, draw poker. They did a lot of different games. And at the end, all the players voted on who had played the best. And they gave the first ever World Series of Poker bracelet to Johnny Moss in 1970. When, what casino is it in?

Back then it used to be in the Horseshoe, Binion's Horseshoe Casino. And now it just moved this year to Bally's Paris, which interestingly is going to be rebranded within the next few months. And it's going to be the H the horseshoe. So things are coming full circle. The horseshoe is like in Fremont. They're rebranding the Paris? Yeah, Paris and Bally's.

I know there's other casinos that are changing from MGM to other hard rock and all that sort of stuff. But so because the Paris is, they have an Eiffel tower. They have an Eiffel tower. They also have Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant,

which is now going to be in the horseshoe. No, no, no, no. They're going to keep Paris the way it is, but it's going to be rebranded the horseshoe, but the tournament itself actually takes place in both properties,

which are, if you've ever been to Vegas, they're connected to each other. So yeah, you might be playing in the Paris and then they'll say, we're moving your table over to Bally's for the rest of the night. And so when you move,

now you're going to be moving actually to the horseshoe, which a lot of us think is kind of cool because that's where it all began. And how many chips do you start out with? So in the World Series of Poker for a $10,000 buy-in for the main event, now the series is about 80 some events, but the one everybody means when they say the World Series of Poker, they're talking about the main event. That's a $10,000 buy-in, you get 60,000 in chips

and the blinds only start at like 100, 100. So you've got a lot of, I mean, that's why it takes so long to play because you just start with so many chips compared to the blinds and then every two hours they move up very gradually so that by the end you're playing you know 1 million 2 million and you can be knocked out on your first hand though you know yeah once you're once you're out you're done you can't buy back in how many days does it last 15? Yeah, it's actually 10 days of playing, but it takes 15 days because after the first day there's a break and then they have another group.

They can't fit all the players in one room for day one because it would just take way too many tables. The thing gets like 8,000 or 9,000 players. So they have to split day one into four days and then day two into two days. So you have to kind of space it out over time. Are you going to do the world series? I would love to do it.

I'd love to do it. I'd love to do it with a friend actually. So you can sort of, you have something to do at night, but who do I know? You do shows out in Vegas. You probably know some people. Well,

I'll know Clayton. Michael Yeo lives in Vegas now. Yeah, Clayton. Yeah, Clayton. I'll be out there. I'll come hang out with you.

I'll come hang out. Yeah, I'll come stay at Tommy's house. I tell you, I reckon I'll be out there. I'll come hang out with you. I'll come hang out. I'll stay at Tommy's house. I tell you, I reckon I'd finish top half. I believe in my poker ability to finish top half. We can go do a podcast from there. Come hang out. Let's do it next summer.

When do I have to enter by? You can buy in on the day, whatever day you want to play. Are there multiple buy-ins? No, you can only buy on the day, you know, whenever you want to play. Are there multiple buy-ins? No, you can only buy in once for the main event. But if you bust out of the main event and you haven't gotten enough poker, there's plenty of other tournaments to play at any buy-in level.

Yeah, I mean, if you want to bring more than 10,000 to play with, I mean, there's so much poker. It's kind of like poker heaven is Vegas from June to July every year. It lasts about six weeks for the whole series. It's almost like the Olympics. It was at the Rio, right, for a while? Yeah, for many years it was at the Rio. So it moved from Binion's Horseshoe to the Rio,

and it stayed at the Rio for maybe 12 or 15 years, something like that. And then just last year they decided to move it to the Strip, and it had never been on the Strip before because, as you pointed out, Forrest, it used to be downtown in Fremont Street. So if you get 8,000 players, who ends up in the prize pool? What position do you have? Yeah, they pay the top 15%. So if they get 7,000 or 8,000 players, it's going to be about 11,000 or 1,200 players will get something. So you might get back $15,000 or your profit in that case would be or 8,000 players, it's going to be about 11 or 1200 players will get something. So you might get back $15,000.

So, or your profit in that case would be 5,000. The forest, the furthest I ever got was 28th place, which I made it to day seven out of day out of 10 days. And my price for 28th place was something like 280,000, something like that. Yeah.

That was a good day. That was a good day. 28th is hard to get to that. I mean, they watch it on TV. Do they find that a lot of athletes are good at it? Because a lot of athletes play or is that not really? Because I remember there's a cricketer called Shane Warne who passed away last year.

And Shane, or maybe even early this year. Oh, early this year. And Shane was on the field of cricket. He was, when it came to mind games and sorting out other players, he was second to none. They reckon he was an excellent poker player. Are there a lot of professional athletes that play it? Yeah, for sure.

And oddly enough, I actually played against Shane in the Aussie Millions in Melbourne. Right. So, yeah. So I met him, really smart guy, nice guy, had a in Melbourne. Right. So, yeah. So I met him. Really smart guy. Nice guy. Had a good sense of humor.

Yeah, yeah. He liked to kind of cut it up a little bit at the table. You know, there have been a lot of athletes, especially NFL players, which is odd because they get all those concussions, but they end up playing poker after they retire. Yeah. Hockey players, basketball. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, if you have that competitive spirit, one of the most famous players of all time. Did you know Shane had died? Like, I didn't just tell you, did you? No, I believe I had heard that through the grapevine, maybe just from other poker players. Well, through the grapevine, a billion people watched his funeral.

Yeah, but if you're not in the cricket. No, no, no. But like the only funeral that beat it was the bloody Queens. I don't think I would have known if I didn't know you. One in seven people on earth watched his funeral. It's remarkable because he was the most famous person in India, but no one else. No one else is more famous than Shane Warne.

One in seven people watched his funeral. How many of those one in seven were in America? Oh, yeah. Well, that's funny because they did I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, and they put Shane Warne in there, and they paid him a million Australian bucks. Now, they keep on asking me to do I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, where they throw you in the jungle

and you have to eat fucking worms and shit on TV. And I just know my personality shouldn't be filmed 24 hours a day. Especially like in those conditions oh without without nicotine and it would be a real struggle anyway so uh so so i they ring me up the producers again about a month after shane died and they go hey would you like to to uh do honestly yeah i go look, it would cost too much. The price I'd want to do it is too much. And they go, just ask us, Jim. We've got money.

Just ask us like this. I go, well, it would be more than the bloke who a billion people watched his funeral. And I can tell you this, a billion people ain't watching my fucking funeral. So I think I'm asking too much um what is the biggest ever poker win yeah so uh i think jim said 50 million yeah yeah and uh you know that was an overshoot uh the biggest win that we know of was uh back in uh i want to say 2011 the uh

the one drop charity event it was a million dollar buy-in and 10% of the buy-in went to this organization called OneDrop. It's a charity that helps people get clean water around the world. And the winner was Antonio Esfandiari, a friend of mine. He won $18.3 million. And that's the biggest recorded win in history. Lost it all in the slots. When did online poker start? 2004?

Is it before that or after? I give a little credit for this one. It actually started in 98. I thought that was pretty close. So I gave him a partial credit for that one. 1998 for real money. Prior to that, there were sort of these games like you can play words with friends or whatever.

Yeah. That kind of stuff. Oh, is there anything worse than non-real money poker where they give you 10,000 chips and everyone's just all in? It's not the game. Yeah, it's not the game. Doyle Brunson, one of the most famous legendary Texas roadhouse gamblers with a lot of World Series

of Poker credentials has famously said, poker is always played for money. Or maybe apparently for somebody's wife too, but yeah, there has to be something at risk. If someone bet their wife, I'd be like, you've got to show me

a picture or something. Why is it so easy to put her up? Do I want to win? I need n like, you got to show me a picture or something. Yeah. Why is it so easy to put her up? Do I want to win? I need nudes, man. Yeah. I want to hear her voice. Does she like that character on TV with those? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And also, is she aware? Yeah. Doesn't matter, Jack. You're right. You own your wife. I forgot about that.

It's's the contract where does the term passing the buck originate with that okay yeah jesus yeah we had a whole very convoluted answer to this one which i really thoroughly enjoyed about fleecing and sheep and lamb of god and all that but uh yeah the passing the buck, the dealer button, you know, when we play Texas Hold'em, we pass the dealer button. Well, originally that was an actual knife with a buck thorn handle. So they called it pass the buck and the dealer would pick the game like, okay, this time we're going to play a five card stud or whatever. And if you didn't want to deal, you would pass the buck. And today it means you don't want the responsibility.

You pass it to somebody else. And so that's where that comes from. What's a dealer button? I don't know what that is. So they pass the button around. So it's who's going to be the first person dealt to. Oh, I see. So the order always changes as it goes around. And so the blinds are after the button.

Got it, got it. So the blinds move around. Yeah. And that used to be called the buck because it was a knife with a buckthorn handle. Later, again, another mispronunciation in poker. Many people call that the puck. Even today, you'll say, oh, the puck didn't move.

It's time to pass the puck. But it was never a puck. That's hockey. Yeah, I think I've heard that on World Series of Poker. Yeah, that's not right. It shouldn't be a puck. It was never a puck. That's hockey. Yeah, I think I've heard that on World Series of Poker. Yeah, that's not right. It shouldn't be a puck. It was never a puck. What other celebs play in the tournament?

Oh, lots of them. Ray Romano. Let's see. Luis, give us your wire. Yeah, Kevin Hart. Lots of people play. Yeah. And who's gotten the furthest out of A-list celebrities?

I think one year, Kevin Pollock actually was at my table for a while. I'm friends with Kevin. I like Kevin. Yeah, yeah. He did really well. I think he got like 100th place one year, which was pretty good. Yeah. Really good.

What would your goal be, Jim, if you got in there to get? I mean, I know you'd want to win, but that'd be very hard to win. I have a theory. Okay, I never gamble scared money so i i'd be willing to lose the money and i wouldn't give a shit if i lost it so going in with that mentality yeah my goal for the first time doing it would be to end in the top half top half yeah that's not bad yeah yeah and if i could do that you'd want to you'd want to win the money like 1500 that'd to win. If you could get into the money, like $1,500, that'd be good. I would love to get into the money, but I would be chuffed if I got into the top half.

Yeah, yeah. But you never know. It's very hard. It's a game of chance, but it's not a game of chance and all that type of stuff. If you get the cards, who knows? Yeah. How much of the game is luck versus skill?

80-20, I would say. In the long run, skill always wins. So if I can play against players that aren't as skillful as I am, every single day for the rest of my life, I'm going to win a fortune. But in the short run, like on any given Sunday, the worst player could win a fortune. And the best player could lose his shirt. We have a friend, Amos, and he plays the games. the worst player could win a fortune and the best player could lose his shirt. You know, so it's just.

We have a friend Amos and he plays the games and Amos has an undiagnosed gambling problem. He's diagnosed it. I've talked to him. Yeah. And Amos. I'm a compulsive gambler and I've talked to Amos before. Amos cannot quit a hand.

He sees it as bullying, not like him saving his money. He's like, he can't back down from a fight. Yeah. And so he goes all in on seven twos and all this type of stuff. He goes, oh, it could happen, it could happen. And then fucking two sevens go on the flop and you're like, fuck, because you can't tell what hand he's got because he's dealing with shit. Yeah.

But then you go buy in again, Amos, buy in again, and he'll take you back and then you'll get it all back. Yeah. It's just a time thing. Yeah. Overtime skill always wins. Yeah, yeah. Overtime.

Luis is also a terrible player. Luis is as bad a player. If not for Amos, Luis would be the worst player I've ever met. I mean, the thing was, it's like you warned me about Amos and like he goes in having nothing so I was going for a flush yeah he was going in with nothing and someone else with nothing

they'd flip their cards over and go high card nine it was the first hand of the game I had just met a lot of these people for the first time so that was my first impression first hand of the game it's like alright flip them what, flip them. What you got? I'm like, 10 high. Jim just goes, what the fuck?

It was embarrassing. I had other friends there. But I got second place. Do you ever come to LA to play Clayton? No one in. Yeah, sure. I used to play in a game with Norm MacDonald a lot. Okay, lot well that's not happening and yeah but I haven't been

back since pre-pandemic my Gilbert Godfrey nights are all over yeah Gilbert, Norm we got a good game we'll invite you after this I'll text you both so that you have each other's numbers. Yeah, cool. There's a lot of good poker in LA for sure.

When you used to play online, I used to play PokerStars and another one, right? There was always a game where you could win. I guess that was just $10,000. You could win your way into the World Series. Yeah, so that's called what you're describing as a satellite.

So a satellite is a tournament where the prize is a buy-in into a much bigger tournament. So, yeah, I mean, famously in 2003, Chris Moneymaker, could you imagine a better name for a poker player? Chris Moneymaker won the World Series of Poker in 2003. It was his first time in Vegas. It was the first time he'd ever been inside a casino anywhere. He'd only ever played.

I think it was on party poker back in the day and his buy-in was like $35 or something like that. So he's kind of become a legend of the game because he, he parlayed like this very small amount of money into a 2.5 million for first place. Are there women who are groupies of poker players? Cause there's a lot of money involved. I reckon there'd be some nice looking girls standing around the tables.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, anytime you have, you know, fat wallets, you're going to have some hot girls around for sure. Here was the moneymaker thing.

That was Oh three. Yeah. Cause I saw the 30 for 30 on that or heard it. I think it was an audio one. And that was, they also credited that one with the popularity of poker kind of booming. Yeah, they called the moneymaker boom. Because the TV

too, that was like when they took some chances with the TV, they were doing some things on TV with the announcers and the way they were showing the cards and stuff like that. It felt like it was always on TV from 2005 to 2012. And now it's died off a bit. But I think the moneymaker year was like where they were showing the hands,

I think, when there were the two guys that are the announcers. I don't remember their names, but I heard the 30 for 30, and it was really interesting. Yeah, so one of those announcers is a comedian, Norman Chad. Yeah. And the other is Lon McCarron. And prior to that, they used to have to kind of guess what the players had. Then they finally invented something called a hole cam,

which was a special poker table where they would have cameras on. So you could see the cards. And now they do it all digitally with RFID technology. So they don't even need... You don't actually have to show your cards to the camera anymore because the table knows what everybody has. Wow. How does the table know what card you have?

RFID? What does that mean? Computer chips. It scans a chip, basically. Oh, there's a chip in each card? There's a chip on each card. Wow. Helps prevent cheating too. Yeah, that's how they do it now. What is the Black Friday of poker? Everyone gets to play for free by the World Series?

It's a perfect question for what Jim just said, actually, because Jim, you just mentioned how poker was always on TV from about 2003 to about 2011. Well, in 2011, Black Friday was April 15th, 2011. They stopped online gambling. And they stopped it.

They shut it down. The Department of Justice shut down PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Party Poker, and the other major online poker sites that were happening, which were the companies that were sponsoring all that televised poker that you used to see on TV all the time. Is it coming back? And if I want to play online, what do I do? Yeah, it's coming back.

States are starting to legalize and kind of loosen the regulations on poker as well as sports betting and other types of gambling. The attitude in America is kind of catching up to Australia, like let people play if they want to play and so you still can't play online now no you can't play online you can't play poker online um proposition 28 or something is that the one is that the one i think it's proposition 20 that just kind of legalizes sports betting poker and everything else in california which and the casinos are trying to stop it with this fucking,

this fucking adverts that are like this. All the casinos are like this. There's people going along going, all the money's going out of California. You think it's your tax money they're talking about? Like my taxes are going somewhere else? It's just a fucking company on the other side of the country. All my money goes out of California.

When I buy a T-shirt that's made in China, it's fucking going over there. You know, it all goes everywhere. Yeah, those commercials are pretty bad because, like, especially as a compulsive gambler, I have no sympathy for any casinos doing commercials like, we have a casino. We'd like to keep the money. And I'm like, fuck all you guys. Yeah, they're not helping out the homeless.

I don't need them talking about anyone. It's a fucking business. You're running a casino, but you're acting like you're the Red Cross or something. We need the money. They're so sanctimonious. I'll be voting yes on that proposition. They have them standing on top of a hill like they have no money. I'm like, you guys own a casino.

You guys are fine. You're a small business owner, right? The very first poker chips were made of bone. Jim, got that correct? Yeah. And then 52 cards. How many cards we did? Okay. Odds of getting a royal flush. Jim said 80,000 to one. What is the

correct answer? Okay. So I give Jim partial credit for this one because it really depends on what game you're playing. You know, once it became clear to me that Jim was talking about Texas Hold'em, the odds of making a Royal flush in Texas Hold'em are way easier than in a five card game, like five card draw. So being dealt a Royal flush is something like 630,000 to one, right? 649, I have it here. Yeah. 649,740 to one. But that's just, if I give you five cards,

what are the chances that the five cards I give you are going to be exactly in order, perfect Royal flush. But in Texas Hold'em, it's about 31,000 to one because you have more cards to play with. You have the cards on the board, you have the cards in your hand. So it's a lot more common. And that's why you said you've played tens of thousands of hands and you've had two Royal Flushes. That kind of adds up. If you played 60,000 hands, on average, you would have two Royal Flushes. How many have you had?

I probably had about seven or eight in my career. I played a ton of poker. You must have played like a million hands. Yeah, I probably played a million hands. As I said, my ones were like a couple of months apart. And and i thought because when you get your first one you're like it's like a hole in one yeah you never thought it would happen yeah i think a hole in one no i but it's the same stats on one is a skill thing though too like there's yeah yeah but like like how many holes i played substantially less and I've got it within a couple of inches.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like I've played substantially less holes of golf than I have hands of poker. Andrei Karpov did use his wife as a stake. And who is Andrei Karpov? Who's his wife? Put his wife up as a stake. Well, it's just some guy from Russia.

This would have been like maybe 2007. I could have bought him anyway. No more questions. Yeah, yeah. Some Russian guy. And what's funny about that story is the wife ended up staying with the guy that won the bet. And she married him.

She ended up divorcing her husband and marrying this guy. Oh, nice. That was the bet. That all worked out. I think the bet was for one night, but she decided to make it a permanent arrangement. Have you ever been in a game where some cunt's throwing his watch in or his car keys?

I mean, no, no, I never played in that kind of game. That's so movie-ish. Yeah, that's not real. The Millennium Falcon? Yeah, there's a rule. Right, right. Yeah, James Bond put the keys to the BMW or something. But no, in modern poker,

we have something called table stakes, which means that you're not actually allowed to bet anything that you don't have on the table in front of you right now. So, I mean, I guess you could put your wife on the table and then bet her, but yeah, you'd have to do it before the cards are dealt. Whatever's in front of you, that's your stake. And when was the wild card introduced? Jim said 1962. I didn't even know there was a wild card. Yeah, so there isn't really a wild card in casino poker. But yeah, certainly a lot of home games have them.

But the decks, this would have been more like when they were trying to introduce the fifth suit or whatever. They also introduced wild cards, which were in the form of the jokers that you still see today in modern decks. And in almost every game we play, the first thing you do when you're about to deal is you get rid of those two jokers, right? We don't really use them. Yeah, I think that was 1875, if I'm not mistaken. Alright, so I pulled up

Shane Warne's poker earnings. How did he do? Well, he's in the plus. It's $3,000 something. Not bad. Yeah. $3,243. His biggest win was $32,000, but he's in the plus

column. All right. That's not bad. Just to be in the black is impressive because it's very competitive and there's more information out there in poker. poker, you know, like on my podcast tournament, poker edge, we talk about poker strategy, very in depth. And there are tons of other podcasts like mine where people can really learn the game inside and out. So it's very hard to make a living at it anymore. Um, and then, uh, what was the fifth suit that they tried to introduce? Not the Pringle

Man, but is it? I wish it would have been the Pringle Man. I think that one would have worked out, but it was actually an eagle. And so for a few years, they would include this whole fifth suit. And then you just have the wrong number of cards. You know, you got an extra 13 cards with an eagle on them.

I hate, like at the moment, they're trying to get rid of the shift in baseball and it's like fucking stop. They got rid of it. Yeah, they got rid of it next season. What's the shift? They got rid of the pitchers batting in the National League and it's like everything's about to speed up.

These are the things I kind of, I like the strategy. I like the strategy of baseball. I like that you can play against someone's skill. That's what Freddie Freeman said. Now shitty hitters are going to get hits. When you would take a pitcher out, do you leave him in for one more at bat? Do you think he's got enough gas? All those type of things.

I hate that they do shit like that. What is notable about the Lady Luck underwater poker tournament? It's underwater. Jim, maybe you should have gotten a three, Jim. I think you got this one right. Is it underwater? Well, I give a half point for this. We're have gotten a three, Jim. I think you got this one right. Is it underwater? Well, I give a half point for this. We're giving Jim a three. We can bump him up

to a three. He won me over. I've counted like five questions. You did not. Well, if... Yeah, I don't think you get five. Let's go to Anaconda Cove. Bones. Underwater.

There was another one you said I got right. That's it. No, no, there was another one. There's another one. Oh, fucking hell. But there were 22 questions. Yeah, and I got the order of the cards, right? Right.

And I got the. Yeah, but you'd have to get six of these right to get three. To get a three, yeah. Okay, fuck yourself. These are tough questions. They are. So it's underwater, this tournament? Only the end. So they play down to the final few

players, and then the grand finale is they go underwater. Like scuba diving, I'm assuming? Yeah. I think they're actually in little glass cages. Are the clouds like a platinum amex? Like are they made of steel or something to go down? Yeah.

Everything is set up so that it can work underwater. Like they're weighted. Like the chips are made of lead. And then they're like, we got everything. For God oxygen. No, it's purely,

it's purely a gimmick. And you know, that ends up getting on, you know, poker news and websites and stuff like that. And this podcast. Yeah. One guy's like, I don't know how to screw it up. I'm not certified.

Well, I guess you're out. Yeah. Why'd you enter this thing then? I'd like a call. You have to like do it. And then the Angola prison rodeos event, the convict poker. Is that where rodeo clowns play poker in the middle of the ring while the bulls run around? Well, the bulls are released. It's the convicts that play poker. So the prisoners areict poker. Is that where rodeo clowns play poker in the middle of the ring while the bulls run around? Well, the bulls are released.

It's the convicts that play poker. So the prisoners are playing poker and the winner is whoever is still sitting at the table. Instead of being rammed by bulls. It's not even about who wins the most money. Do they volunteer for this or the warden puts them out there?

I'm not really sure about that. From what I saw, they weren't volunteering. They still have basic human rights. Well, in Angola, do you? Yeah, this is Angola. Oh, Angola, yeah. This is Angola. Okay, I thought this was here.

I'm not sure human rights are necessarily a thing there. I don't really know. I don't know either. And then last one, what is a dead man's hand? Jim said a hand that looks like a winner, but someone else already has the nuts. Yeah, that's a pretty good guess. I think that's a really good guess the truth is it's ace eight and the reason why a lot of these names for the poker hands and things as we already discussed

kind of go back to the old west like the wild west so while bill while bill hickok was uh shot and killed while holding ace and eight he was in the middle of that poker game. We already talked about. Right. And then somebody came in and shot him dead. And he died holding that ace and eight. So was that the end of that poker game? That long poker game? After that, it's hard to keep the game going.

There's a new chair. Clean them up. And somebody else needs to fucking chip in a chairman. Ace eight is a dead man's hand. Okay. Yeah, for sure. All right, great. Now's the time.

The podcast is called Dinner Party Facts. We ask our guests to give our listeners some sort of interesting or obscure fact about the subject that can use to impress people. What do you got? It was a good one. It was a good one. I think you had either one or a couple before. You couldn't narrow one down. If you have one or two, that's fine.

Yeah, I guess the one I want to to bring up we already kind of talked about like jim you were talking about this player in uh tucson who was eating chicken wings at the table yeah and you know there's certain foods you shouldn't be eating yeah at the poker table but did you know yeah spaghetti like chicken wings but barbecued ribs. Like, what are we doing? But the sandwich was invented by the Earl of Sandwich who wanted to play horror. I've always thought this about the Earl of Sandwich. What were they doing with bread before if not putting things in it? Like, fuck that society and their people.

Exactly. They were just, I've got this bread. Fuck their recipes must have been basic bitch fucking meals. 100%. If they hadn't cracked putting meat into bread, fuck them. They literally used to eat meat in their hands and then the meat would spill and some of it would fall out, get on the cards, get on the chips.

Yeah. Then they'd eat a loaf of bread with the other hand. and then the meat would spill and some of it would fall out. Get on the cards, get on the chips. Yeah. Then they ate a loaf of bread with the other hand. And then they just ate spoonfuls of butter. And then they put mayonnaise directly onto their tongue. Yeah. So Earl says to one of his servants or whatever, go get me two pieces of bread so I can hold this sandwich more firmly and that way he could play cards with the other hand

and munch on his sandwich. And thus the sandwich was born because of a game of cards. How the fuck did they invent card games before sandwiches? That's an excellent point. Like that must have been some compulsive-ass gamblers. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I know they hadn't had sliced bread yet,

but they had knives, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Earl was the only one with an IQ higher than 90. He's like, I got it. That was my favorite dinner party fact about Betty White when she died, that she was older than sliced bread. Oh, yeah, that's right.

I forgot about that. Oh, she's coming to the game with Norm and Gilbert. Oh, yeah, they're all going to be there. Yeah, it'll be fun. Queen's high. I mean, the Queen's there and she's high. All right, thanks, Clayton Fletcher. You can find Clayton Fletcher on everything,

at Clayton Comic, and his podcast is called Tournament Poker Edge Podcast. You can find that everywhere, right? They have podcasts, Apple Podcasts. everything at Clayton comic and his podcast is called tournament poker edge podcast. You can find that everywhere, right? They have podcasts, Apple podcast, Spotify. So check out the tournament poker edge podcast. You described it a little bit. What is it again? That's if you want to like, yeah. So we talk about what's, what's going on in poker, uh, whether there's any rule changes happening, uh, what's going on, like with scandals, like did someone get caught cheating, stuff like that.

And then we get really deep into how to play the game, how to win. I interview players that are much more successful at the game than I am, and they tell me what strategies they use to make the big bucks at poker. It's a lot of fun. If you make mistakes in the World Series, because sometimes when I go play in the casinos, I do something where I go, all right, I'll raise to 150. And they go, you have to raise it to 200.

Will they do that for me in the World Series? Or they just go, we're taking your chips. You're an idiot. No, they won't take your chips for being an idiot. But if you don't say raise, they might count it as a call when you want it to raise. If you don't do things properly like you have to do certain things that you should either announce raise or put in the right number

of chips that you want to raise it to in the first place so there's certain like kind of technical like little just etiquette things that you have to do right and those rules are just designed to prevent cheating so you can't just take out a handful of chips in your hand and kind of feel out whether your opponent is going to call or not before you decide how much you want to bet. Like you're supposed to say that first and then go ahead and do it. But Jim, if you want to play next summer, I'll give you, I'll give you a coaching session free.

So you won't make those kinds of mistakes. We need to do like a Rocky montage of you training to play for the world series of poker. Yeah. They have the, yeah. I've got gigs in this summer, but I don't know. I don't know. I think you should do it. the World Series of Poker. If they have the, yeah, well, I've got gigs in the summer, but I don't know. I don't know.

I think you should do it. They can see when they are. Let's all go. I have. It's two weeks. You've got to carve out two weeks. I've blocked off three months next year where I'm not going to be working. I'll do the podcast or whatever, just because the summer of gym, I just wanted to have more time with my kids.

And now one of the months has been filled up with a game show that I've signed on for. And now another one's for a British tour. Two weeks for poker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like all that time, my agents were like this. Sure, Jim, you can have three months off. And then fucking Colonel Parker got into his bloody diary book.

I'm like Elvis. I'm going to go tour Europe. Yeah, sure you are, Elvis. Anyways, Tournament Poker Edge podcast. That's the name to Europe. Yeah, sure you are, Elvis. Anyways, Tournament Poker Edge Podcast. That's the name of it. Check it out at Clayton Comic. If you're in the New York City area on November 12th, go to the West Side Comedy Club. He'll be recording

his album, Middle Child Syndrome. Great title. Thank you. Clayton Fletcher, thanks for being here. Thanks, guys. It was fun. Thanks for having us, Clayton. That was a good one. If you're ever at a party and someone says, I have Anna Kournikova in my hand, make sure it's Enrique Iglesias. Otherwise, go, I don't

know about that, and walk away. Goodnight, Australia.