I Don't Know About That - The Cecil Hotel

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Our expert Jason Horton (@thejasonhorton) fills us in on all the evil happenings that occurred at the infamous Cecil Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. Jim's new special "High & Dry" is now available on Netflix! Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/IDKAT for ad free episodes, bonus episodes, and more exclusive perks! Tiers start at just $2! ADS: SHIPSTATION: Go to ShipStation.com and use code JIM today and sign up for your FREE 60-day trial. FREEZE PIPE: Go to thefreezepipe.com and use code IDKAT for 10% off your entire order.

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Kelly's here. Jack isn't here because Jack's off recording his first album for the Doohickeys. Hey? Yeah. I wish my truck was bigger. They'd be laying down that track right as we speak. I thought your favorite song was the... Yeah, I'm not...

This Town Sucks. Yeah, This Town Sucks. I thought it was Don't Tell Me You're Not Sleeping. Please Tell Me You're Sleeping. That was a song inspired by me, but it's not a song that I actually... I don't enjoy the song. I think that could have done better.

I gave him the idea and then their execution was poor. Have you seen the new Spider-Man? I have not. The new multiverse cartoony one. Yeah, my son wants me to watch that, but I promised him we're going to watch Indiana Jones. We've been watching the other Indiana Jones films. We watched them all

in a row and then we got to the Crystal Skull and I've been angry ever since. How did Steven Spielberg fuck a movie up that bad? He's like really good Steven Spielberg. I don't know if you know, but he's good. His success rate's good. Well, we talked about The Fableman.

I didn't... That was too... Yeah, but people love The Fableman. It might not be for you, but it was for some people. The end was good. Nobody liked The Crystal Skull. The last third of The Fablemans I really liked. At the beginning and the middle was like, and then the last scenes are awesome.

Yeah. The ending's really good. The ending's very good. Yeah. But yeah, that Crystal Skull movie is as bad a movie that's ever been made. And CGI, not just CGI, the script is abysmal. The dialogue's bad. The acting's, like, it's not just CGI, the script is abysmal. The dialogue's bad,

the acting's, like there's the bit where Indiana Jones is in quicksand sinking and Marion's like, oh, by the way, Shia LaBeouf's your son. No one gives a fuck.

No one gives a fuck. There was no peril, no one cared. What a shit film. And then, and then also, because we're, I'm about to get,

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Right? Which I'm of the opinion, you're probably not going to win the show then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not going to figure out the 1% question. Yeah, you're not going to win any of the money if you couldn't fill out the forms. Yeah, just questions about yourself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Age. If you didn't know to hit send at the end, you're not going to get through. Speaking of that, you're done with live shows in America for a little bit, not until August. Yeah, I'll be back. Because you're going to be down in your mountain. I'm going to be down in Australia recording in Sydney.

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that guest dropped out he got some sort of he had his hands full I'm trying to think of a new answer. That guest dropped out. He got some sort of... He had a hands full. Yeah. I'm trying to think of a new catchphrase for me to end the 1% Club on because you're a game show host. You have to have a...

You have one now? You have to have a spade your pets or... Spade your pets. Be good to each other. Good night, Australia. Well, no, good night, Australia. That's meant to be an homage to this guy. Well, the one from the Jim Jefferies show is We Can All Do Better.

I love that one. And maybe I should keep doing that one because that one is a good one. You could say it at the beginning as a joke, like, we can all do better except this guy that won. He can't do any better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, maybe. Because the guy wins and then I'm like, we can all do better?

Not this bloke. He's nailed it. But I was thinking of, like just just doing a different catchphrase each episode of things that i would like to have happen so at the end of one episode i'll be like oasis should be getting back together good night uh just like uh just something that you uh just believe this thing is from your childhood things that i'm mildly passionate about you get what you get and you don't get upset. I thought they were getting back together. No, they're not going to get back together

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I've done that too, yeah. Oh, I've done that so many times in my life. I have so much sympathy for him in this moment. And we were perfectly quiet behind him. And now he's trying to enjoy the song. He's like this, it only happened when it rains. Oh, fuck, I went too hard like you can tell

like his body language his shoulders went down why do I do this instant regret and he turned back around he went hey you know it's just

it's her favourite band and how did he say that yeah he goes it's just and so you know what I did I went more defensive

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Guest. Please welcome our guest, Jason Horton. Hello, Jason Horton. Thanks for being on the show. Now it's time to play... Yes, though. Yes, though. Yes, though.

Yes, though. Judging a book by its cover. Do our guests hear that song? Yeah, I think now they do. Did you hear that song, Jason? Okay, yeah, because it used to be the guests couldn't hear the song and then Jim just started making sounds. That was the first time I've ever played the song because Jack is not here,

so I was a little nervous. Okay. You did really good. Thank you, Jim. Everyone kicked the goal. Jason Horton is our guest today. G'day, Jason. I'm going to assume that's a backdrop next to you.

You're not standing at the front of the Cecil Hotel or the Cecil Hotel, however you want to pronounce it. Are we going to be talking about the Cecil Hotel? You sure are. All right. Okay, so the Cecil Hotel. Hold on, hold on. Let me introduce Jason. Jason Horton is a writer and podcaster

seen on History's Greatest Mysteries and History's Greatest Heists on the History Channel. He is also the co-host of the podcast Ghost Town and Strange Year. Jason is an author as well of Abandoned and Historic Los Angeles, Neon and Beyond, and Signs of L.A., Lost in the Dark.

And he's been featured on KTLA, LAist, LAist, I never said that right LAist LA's magazine best books about LA and on Instagram you can find him

at the Jason Horton so you know about the Cecil Hotel I do okay I didn't know anything about it yeah I don't watch many documentaries

as you do I've watched the documentary and I've watched a couple of other little things on it the Cecil Hotel what do you want to know well I'm going to ask you some questions

you know how this works it's downtown LA now hold on so so i'm gonna all right jason i'm gonna i'm gonna ask jim a series of questions about the cecil hotel and uh and after he's done answering him you're gonna grade him on his accuracy zero through 10 10 is the best kelly's gonna grade him on confidence i'm gonna grade him on etc we'll add all those scores together 21 through 30 equals complimentary cucumber lemongrass water. That's what you get in a nice hotel. You're not getting that at the Cecil.

11 through 20, $10 for a bottle of water that isn't clearly marked. That is $10 and not free. That's happened to me many times. Zero through 10, complimentary rotting corpse water. That's what you don't want that one. In the Cecil, you get a body bag. That's how you check out. Okay.

Yeah, you can say, like, when was the Cecil Hotel built like where oh I don't know those well where is it at where's it first of all I'd like to say okay it's downtown LA Los Angeles right so what happens is they should stop calling it downtown they should give it another name like business district or something like that don't call it downtown because when people travel to cities from around the world, where will I stay? Oh, well, there's a moderately priced hotel and it's downtown. And it makes you believe that you're going to be amongst all the action where all you are is amongst Skid Row, all the homeless people,

and you're close to the Staples Centre. Congratulations, right? Not a good place to be a tourist. There's some nice restaurants down there, but for the most part, and I'm sorry to anyone who lives downtown, but downtown LA sucks. Okay, when the Cecil Hotel was built, was it intended to be a luxury hotel, a middle-of-the-road type place? It would have been a luxury hotel back in the day.

It would have been like Chaplin used to take girls there to have a drink. But it used to be, yeah, back in the day, it would have been considered a luxury hotel, but it's aged horribly. Okay, and so for people that haven't watched the documentary, I haven't, I don't know really anything about this. How did the Cecil Hotel become known for its dark and mysterious reputation?

What are some of the incidences? There's been a few different incidences, but the most famous one recently, there was a girl, i don't know what country she was from she was an asian girl i think she i i want to i want to say japanese but i might be wrong right and um she she was uh acting very erratic and she was in the elevator and she was going up and down and then she looked outside the door and the door normally shuts but it didn't shut and all this type of stuff and then she looked out again you can see it on the surveillance camera and then she just

sort of disappears and then she's found naked floating in the water tank on top of the hotel now a lot of people will say ghosts or that she was bumped off or whatever i believe she was on drugs and she went for a swim and then when she got into the tank she couldn't get back out okay any other incidences from the hotel or um yeah there's a few of them um i can't really remember the other ones but there's been there's been murders in there there's been disappearances in there there was another man who checked in i believe jesus been a while since i he checked he checked in under a certain name and then he died. No one ever figured out who he was.

Okay, we'll talk about it. There's also, they had a whole lot of homeless people living there at very reasonable prices. So there's a lot of sketchy people or people who had- Affordable housing, you mean? Yeah, mental health issues in there, which could sort of, so the lobby's quite nice and the rooms are fucking- You've been there? No, mental health issues in there, which could sort of say... And so the lobby's quite nice, and the rooms are fucking... You've been there?

No, I've seen the documentary. What was the Cecil Hotel an inspiration for? Like, what television show was the Cecil Hotel an inspiration for? Fawlty Towers. That was funny, the show, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. John Cleese. So you're going to go up to the room, she's gone missing.

Oh, no, Oh, Cyril. Okay. That's why it was called Cyril, his wife. According to long-term residents, different floors were more dangerous. Anything over what floor was considered dangerous? Anything over the eighth floor. But we'll say 13th. A lot of hotels don't have 13th floors.

They just go 12, 14, like that. Like, we don't know. When was the first murder recorded at this hotel 1946 is when fatty arbuckle sat on a woman as a murder um what are some notable true crime cases associated with this easel hotel and like yeah that's the first question the lady in the water tank what famous serial killer was a guest during some of his murders I want to say yeah wouldn't be the Yorkshire Ripper he was in England I don't know any of these things I want to say what's the what's the what's the one, the strangler or whatever,

the one that was up in San Francisco? But then, oh, no, no, no. The Zodiac Killer? Richard Ramirez. Richard Ramirez, okay. The Night Stalker. Okay. What was interesting about the way he'd arrive home

after some of his crimes, like from some of his crimes? He'd arrive out with his dick out and a sign around his neck saying, I killed people, and people thought he was being funny he's such a jokester oh he stepped it up a game this time he's covered in blood okay who was Elisa Lam Elisa Lam was the girl who drowned in the in the water tank and then how did her case gain worldwide attention and spark numerous conspiracy podcasts and people thinking it was a ghost and then like online um detectives that were like we must save lisa what elisa what's happened if now when they look at the door and she ducks out of

the door and she ducks back in she's like this and the doors normally don't shut i think she was blocking it so the senses and all that type of stuff. But people thought it was ghosts. But she was just a girl on drugs who drowned in a water tank. And then how many 911 calls a day were made about the Cecil? Is there a time period for this? Because I didn't just question. Oh, it would be daily. Yeah.

Because there's people who work there who's like, oh, fuck. You don't want to work the night shift at the Cecil. Yeah, okay. Because the crazies, because they reckon that like serial killers, a lot of a lot of them live in LA because they're people who want to get famous and if you want to get famous you come to LA right and so it's filled with fucking nut jobs and you know all that type of stuff there was one bloke who was like he was like maybe he was Scandinavian or something like that and he was like a death metal type of guy that was like, I will drink your blood.

I will have your blood and have it all over me. Blah, blah, blah. You know those idiots, right? And he was doing that, and then he was there when somebody went missing and people blamed him and they made his life hell. And in the end, he was just on a documentary like this. I was just making songs that had the word blood in them

or he wasn't so fucking tough then were you fella but that's where I'm at with him how many people are said to have died at the Cecil

what are we talking about dreams because all of them and when a man's dream dies or a woman's they die as well so I'm going to say everyone who stays there died but official with a certificate yeah And when a man's dream dies, or a woman's, they die as well. So I'm going to say everyone who stays there died,

but official with a certificate? Yeah. That's where you'd go for suicide. I never understand where people suicide in shitty hotels. Go to the Four Seasons. Do it in a robe. You can't take it with you. You know what I mean?

I got a Groupon. It's always someone fucking, and they went to the Motel 6 and topped themselves. What the fuck are you doing? You don't want a plush robe to change your mind. Once you've committed. I would get a new credit card, and I would max that baby out. I would be dead in a four-season surrounded by lobster rolls.

No, you'd suddenly have a will to live because you had such a great day and a crippling credit card debt. But then I've got to pay it off. Yeah. Okay. I would say $300. $300 official debt. Okay.

And last question. What renovations or changes have been made to the Cecil Hotel throughout its history? They did one thing where they tried to act like half the hotel was something else because people didn't like the Cecil. So they were like, this one's called the Fun Hut Hut or the H Hotel. Don't worry about deaths here. And then the other bit was for the homeless people in the Cecil.

And it's got a new name now. Oh, yeah. It's called something else now. It's called No One Dies Here Hotel. I have nothing to see here. But I bet you it's probably got a lot of people going because there'd be a lot of people who would be into the spookiness of the true crime and all that type of stuff.

And this is the elevator and this is the thing. Like, it looks like a nice structure. The bones are good. Yeah, yeah. All right, Jason. How did Jim do in his knowledge of the Cecil Hotel zero through 10? 10's the best. It fluctuated for a bit,

but I evened it out at a solid eight. Yeah, that's a great score. Jim watches a lot of documentaries. Gotta give him that. How do you do in confidence? It's funny. I was telling,

like, we weren't sure if you were going to know, and I was like, Jim watches so many documentaries, I feel like he's had an opinion about this Elisa Lam thing, but I think you were more confident than I've ever seen you today. I'll take away Japanese because I don't think Lam is a Japanese name.

Well, you got your eight already. He's 15 for me. I gave you 30 for et cetera. You get the nice cucumber and lemongrass water. Check in. Those are nice. You never meet someone called Cecil anymore, do you?

Really? Yeah, no. There's some old school names you do find. Cecil. Cecil, which is Cecil. I don't know any Cecils. Well, Cecil B. DeMills.

Yeah, he's dead. Cecil B. DeMills made a lot of big movies. We should do one on him. Is it Cecil B. DeMills? Or is it B... Oh, you're messing me up. No, it's Cecil... It's B? Yeah, it's Cec yeah it's cecil b demille all right let's go through his questions he's an

atheist you know he made all his religious films yeah no he wasn't an atheist i don't know i was just agreeing with you he believed in god i don't know actually the cecil is it the cecil or the cecil hotel and when was it built and where uh jim says downtown la doesn't know when it was built. Downtown LA sucks. Me go? Yeah, yeah, Jason, yeah. That's me. It's my go? Okay.

It's downtown LA, and people, it's very adjacent to Skid Row. If you're a LA history buff, people are very specific about the borders of what lands where so it's not technically in Skid Row But it is but it is close enough and it was built in 1924. I think really open for business in 1927 Okay, nine twenty seven. Okay, so that's that's before the talkies Mm-hmm. Just put it out there. Okay, just extra stuff And was extra credit when it was built was an intended to be a luxury hotel or more of a budget? It was built with luxury and a lot of money. I think back then even up to like $3 million, which is a lot for that time.

time. And I, you know, it's for the, for the tourists that wanted to come visit, and also people coming to to Los Angeles for business, because, you know, Los Angeles is building up back then, a lot of people are coming in, and there was hotels starting to be built up in the area. So you know, they wanted the Cecil to be the one. So if you're a business person coming into town, or you're a tourist that wants to check out the city and, you know, this kind of very young city, this used to be a place to go. I assume back in the 1920s, Skid Row hadn't happened yet, right?

So I assume that this was a desirable place to hang out. They did not foresee, you know, things like stock market crash and the Great Depression was right around the corner. And that really put things in motion as far as what was happening in the area. And it kind of went downhill fast. But they should have foreseen that people think they can act when they really can't. Because that's really where the homeless comes from. You can blame the stock market all you want.

Is this a theory? Ah, fucking everything. Mental health is an issue. No, it is mental health, but fucking actors are free people who take a few drugs. I could have ended up on Skid Row meself. There's a lot of veterans. I was a couple of bad turns,

but they're coming in by the busload in LA. Fucking people who don't want to, everyone wants to be famous for us, but no one wants to do the work. Okay. Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart. The,

and then, okay. So how did the Cecil Hotel become known for its like dark and mysterious reputation? And there's a lot of things that happened. Maybe we can go over those. Yeah. Yeah.

It starts, it goes back to pretty much early january 1927 uh percy ormond cook died by suicide in his room and then even into the 1930s four more people died by suicide in 1944 uh dorothy jean purcell was staying at the hotel this This is pretty dark. She gave birth to a baby boy in the bathroom floor. She assumed the baby was stillborn and probably panicked and nervous, and she threw the baby out the window, actually killing him, not realizing that she was doing that,

and she was afraid to tell her boyfriend. She was charged with murder initially, but she was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Not dark at all. Yeah. Not dark at all. We can go even darker on this show. That's where the term, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I bet you she still had bathwater.

So then we touch on the Black Dahlia, which is probably the most iconic Los Angeles unsolved murder, and she allegedly stayed there, and she was allegedly seen drinking at the bar. The Black Dahlia, she was allegedly seen in a lot of places across Los Angeles in 1947, and the Cecil would be one of them. So who is the Black Dahlia? If you can do it quickly.

Oh, I know who it is. Elizabeth Short. I don't know. Forrest, understand. I don't know any of the true crime stuff. Yeah. She was kind of a burgeoning actor, and she just very infamously was found in Leimert Park.

It's a very brutal, the photos are very brutal. She was cut in half and sewn. It was, it's really, really, really dark and no one really knows. She was in a lot of different places. She was arrested. She had like a mugshot. She's kind of like a young, you know, she's in early twenties

and the crime was so brutal that and it's still unsolved and she probably was not she killed somewhere else and then brought to Leimert Park and just found out there and you search a little Elizabeth short or black Dahlia and those those photos will come up and it's pretty it's pretty good grotesque i don't want to search i i accidentally i watched the beheading at isis i did too and it was awful i was like the worst thing why did you watch the beheading for i didn't know that's what it was it just like came on my thing there was like a link to something else and then when that's what it was one of the worst things i've ever seen but i just so jason that you i mean you know a lot about true crime and different, I mean,

does it, you become numb to this stuff or is it like upsetting or I don't know. You know, there'll be certain times where certain things will hit me pretty, will hit me pretty hard. And it kind of comes out of nowhere because there's just so many stories and we're all inundated with things

and so many things happen one day and then the next, you know, then the next day happens and then it kind of starts all over again you don't have time to really register a lot but sometimes you know you're in the frame of mind and then there's a certain story uh that that that hits you that hits you pretty hard and uh yeah it definitely does it definitely and i visit a lot of these places which is like a lot of people do it's a you know it's a very dark history of especially los angeles is really interesting to me and you go to those places and you're kind of front loaded with it when you get there uh it's it's weird um not saying that like i feel like there's ghosts or

anything like that but there's just definitely some kind of like dark energy that maybe it's my mind is bringing to it but but it's definitely there and i went to where they found uh the black dia um and it's just a resident it's just where they found the Black Dahlia and it's just a residential area a nice area and it's just a patch of grass and a house right there and there's weirdos like me showing up just staring at the ground of where it happened like taking pictures

probably gets very annoying so I try to get in and out as quickly as possible it's all got to do with distance and time doesn't it because we just weren't making well I was, you weren't making – well, I was. You weren't. I was just making jokes about a baby being thrown out the window. Now, you couldn't meet a more loving father than me,

and I care about kids deeply, right? But because it was like 80 years ago, 100 years ago, whatever, I can joke about that baby being thrown out the window all day. And then the same with Black Dahlia. I don't feel anything towards Black Dahlia. If Black Dahlia happens tomorrow, then we do it. I think even with current things happening, we are so desensitized to murder and these terrible things happening

that I can't go on Twitter a single day without seeing somebody getting murdered or dying somehow, and then the comments are just filled with jokes, and you're like, oh, my God. I still cry after every school shooting. After the big ones. I still, it really hits me. The big ones.

Yeah, it hits me. What if it's just one kid? I've got to go on with my day, you know what I mean? Like, it still feels upsetting. I'll tell you stuff, but I can't cry every day. You have kids, too. If I had kids, I don't know. I can't cry every day.

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So you have to access certain rooms or you're just wandering the hallways or what do you currently it's very very difficult to get in there uh and i've been in i've been in like the common area before historically i've you know i've been there just since i've lived here especially after this happened i was like i gotta see but i never really went through you know this is like 10 know, 10 years ago at this point. But I went down there with KTLA. I tried to get in. I actually got to the previous that I brought my I brought my mother. She was visiting.

She's like, let's go see some stuff. And I was like, all right, let's go. And I took her down to the Cecil Hotel. And I want to know. Do you hate her? And then she was like, oh, oh this is great and then she ended up watching the documentary she's like is this the place you took me to and i was like oh yeah she's like why did you she's like this i mean she kind of liked that she was there because she's also

very curious but she's like when i was watching this she's like wait i was in this crazy place that's how she talks um so uh it was it was very very uh fun for her that's the same reaction my mom had i had always told her the story about how suge knight bounced me on his lap once and then i saw straight out of compton with her and she's like that story's not funny anymore you didn't know who suge knight was okay okay so so you said it's hard to get in there what do you mean it's hard to get in there they don't let mean it's hard to get in there? They don't let tourists in there? Because it feels like there's people still staying in there, or is the place so reserved because of all the true crime nuts?

I think it's still kind of in flux with as far as they're changing with the ownerships and what they're doing with it. And, of course, there's a lot of people like me that show up there with KTLA trying to get in there. And then there are people that are staying there, you know, there's low income housing for people, a very small amount. And there's so there's people living in long term, low income housing in there. But as far as I know, and I've checked, and I've checked, and I've checked, as far as if you wanted to just to stay there overnight as a as a guest uh i don't believe you you can at this point i would i would if i were to buy it right i assume you could get it for fairly cheap because of all the problems but i would gut the thing and make a

fucking massive escape room i'm telling you people would love that shit halloween it would go off like a frog in a sock man People would fucking go to that Frog in a sock Frog in a sock's back Haven't heard that in a while But wait I'm going back to what you said I thought

So that's a no to my business plan Oh I thought you were kidding I can't believe you It's like 19 stories Is that big as a If anybody wants to invest You have a different escape room For different stories

Some of them would be two levelers yeah and you get in there and then it's just like and then the water you gotta get past the water tank you gotta get something because people be like these people died here blah blah blah i mean you're actually not wrong if you branded it as a sea slow hotel escape room i think that it would do very well yeah yeah yeah and then you have like bellboys show up we go here at the sea cell you may stay longer than you want. It's like Tower of Terror vibes. Yeah, all that shit, man.

I would fucking, I'm buying it. I think it's more expensive than you think. The problem is I don't know how to renovate. And I wouldn't employ anyone. And I'd try to do it myself. And I'd just in the end be hiding keys under styrofoam cups. It wouldn't be much of an escape room. But going back to what you said,

so it's closed to all but like a few residents now or something? Is that? There's security guards and there's pretty tight security. I'm sure there's probably a way to get permission, I'm sure, going through the channels. It probably takes a little work. But yeah, I mean, just to kind of walk in there and poke your head around.

It's, it's pretty, it's pretty tough. Do we, do we know who owns it? You know, there's people, you know, it's also maybe I'm sure there's, might be construction going on or like open, you know, there's. Probably in, in, like I said, in flux of it being renovated too. So, uh, the, they try to keep, probably keep the amount of people in there to people that own the hotel and that are working there and doing construction and then the people that are

still designated to to live there so they are renovating in the hopes of reopening it yeah i mean that's been it's you know they did they turned it to stay on maine in 2011. that's how elise lamb, you know, stayed there. Floors four through six were like a youth hostel. So it was part stay on Maine, kind of a rebrand to be like, when you look at stay on Maine, you don't realize that you're going to the Cecil, like you were saying.

So, and then part of it was still, I guess, technically the Cecil. And now it's still technically stay on main. And they haven't really, I don't think they figured out what they're going to do with it. It has a 3.1 out of 5 on Google reviews. So it's like. It's pretty good.

Not bad. Could be worse. Yeah. I've definitely stayed at lower starred places. Was there room service? I don't know. Why did you always judge a place by its room service? It says the new owner is a barren property group,

and they have plans to devote the entire building to affordable housing for the next 55 years. Oh. Okay. So we'll never get in there. Yeah, you're not going to make an escape room. Plus, it looks like in 2014 it was sold for $30 million, so I don't think you're going to be able to... What are you doing?

Alright. Stop. Stop doing that. Going back to this. Okay. What was the Cecil Hotel an inspiration for? What television show? You said Fawlty Towers, and you just went with that. I don't think that's right. Jason?

It's an American Horror Story Season 5 Hotel Lady Gaga I never watched any of the American Horror Stories My brother loves it I watched like the first couple seasons I will be honest with you Me and FX had a hard relationship for a while

After FX cancelled my show I couldn't watch an FX program for a very long time I still don't think I have I'm not you know look I stopped like after your show got cancelled

I'd be like oh man you watched Justified is it on FX I'm like it's on FX you're like no I just stopped telling you they have really good shows

on FX my show wasn't on FX my show was on FXX I know but you I never I stopped telling you about shows that are on FX my show would have gone

gangbusters if it was on Hulu like all the FX things are now. It would have gone off like a frog in a sack. It would have gone fine. Everyone who watched it liked it, but fuck me. Yeah, no, you were right at the wrong. I was about two years too early. But mind you, we go a few years later, they don't let us do the scripts that we did.

So, you know, life's a gamble or something. I don't fucking know. Anyway, I'm not watching American Horror Story. It's good. No, but FX, if I see the logo. I've nothing against the people who work at FX. I've got nothing against the channel per se. But if I see the logo go like that, I go like this.

It's triggering. I get it, yeah. According to long-term residents, different floors were more dangerous. Anything over what floor was considered dangerous? You said above the eighth or 13th. I don't know. Is that correct, Jason? Not far. There is no 13th floor. Like a lot of hotels don't have that. It's a 14 floor hotel. And according to one long term resident, anything above the sixth floor, Lisa Lamb stayed. anything above the sixth floor.

Elisa Lam stayed, she was on the fifth floor because that was the two floors that were dedicated to a youth hostel. You know, according to the long-term residents, a different story. And I believe that Richard Ramirez stayed at maybe on the 14th floor. You know, my guess is the further away you are from the street and the lobby,

it's probably more dangerous, I think, is probably the thought process behind that. So anything above the sixth is considered dangerous. But as we find out, you know, between four and six, also things can happen as well. So Richard Ramirez, I got a point for that. He's the night stalker. Yeah, well, we're getting to that part.

So the youth hostel it's always youth hostel never an adult hostel they're called retirement homes okay assisted living do you want to go stay with a bunch of strangers while you travel occasionally I've been

I used to do comedy at this there's hostels where they'd have comedy shows have you ever done those so they're just like people like promoters and then there was one i was at and it was like all like really young like it's like once you hit the age where you're having sex with each other and then occasionally you see like an old guy there and you're like what are you doing yeah yeah you got here we call them backpackers right you got these backpackers around the world you sleep with like other people in the room and all that type of stuff and everyone's young and up for it and stuff like that and you can do that when you're young when

you're middle age yeah don't travel then yeah if that's your if that's your accommodation plan stay at home you've missed your window um okay we talked about the first person that died there was a suicide but when the first when was the first murder recorded? Was it Fatty Arbuckle in 1946? I'm thinking it wasn't. But Fatty Arbuckle did have his own, I mean, he had his own legal troubles. He was accused.

He was accused of something, of rape, wasn't it? Yeah. And I mean, I guess it turned out that maybe it wasn't true and it kind of ruined his career. He just didn't look like he had the energy for it. Yeah. And this is probably like, I think, probably 10 years. It's I don't remember, but I think it was in the 19, I believe it was maybe the 1930s.

I could I could be I could be wrong. But the first murder was June 4th, 1964. And actually an employee of the of the Cec 65-year-old, she was a telephone operator, Pigeon Goldie Osgood. Wait a minute. Her name was Pigeon Aussie Goldie. No, Pigeon Goldie Osgood.

Pigeon Goldie Osgood. Her name was Pigeon for a reason, right? Yeah, but this was back in the day when the population of the world was 2 billion. They'd already run out of names. No, I think it was a nickname, right? Telephone operator. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, yeah.

There's telephone messages, pigeon send messages. I read that she used to feed the birds at the nearby park. Okay, yeah, maybe. She was the woman out of Home Alone 2. Yes. And she was murdered? So she was the first person murdered at the hotel? Did they know who did it? No, it's she you know she'd been staying there for five years and it was

reported that minutes before they found uh her murder that people were like i had a conversation with her uh and then somebody who went to bring i think telephone directories is the one who found her wow she was there for five years yeah Yeah, yeah. Probably got a late checkout, wouldn't she? She wouldn't have deserved that after all those years. Well, yeah, that's what they call it. Yeah, well, she was 65, so, you know. 65 back in those days. Yeah, 100.

She was 100, yeah. What are some notable true crime cases associated with the Cecil Hotel? And we'll start with that, and then we can talk about the famous serial killer that stayed there and so forth. So, it would be... Well, Richard Ramirez

did stay there. And also... Who was that? I don't know if I'd call this true crimes. This one's pretty, I consider this pretty tragic. In 1962, Pauline Otten, who's 26, she died

by suicide and fell on a pedestrian. She jumped out the window. George Giannani, who's 65. She landed on him, killing him. Initially, they thought they had jumped together. That's what it looked like. It was just, he was wrong place wrong time in a really

big way. Richard Ramirez. You can't find a woman in this town. They found him and they're like he's 65, he's 26. Well he did well. Even at the end he was smiling. Sorry Richard Ramirez you were saying? Richard Ramirez, you were saying?

Richard Ramirez, yeah, he stayed there. As far as anyone knows, he didn't bring any victims back there, but he did stay there. Yeah, he'd show up there, bloody clothes, barefoot. And it was probably a very dicey time, so I'm sure people didn't think that much of it kind of blended in. Probably, I guess, helped him out because, you know, he got away with things for a long time. It's funny because Jim's answer was totally a joke. But he said, dick out. No, no, he did.

He did come. Not the sign thing was it, but he come uh like he would like people have said that they saw him by a dumpster like throwing bloody like wearing bloody clothes and throwing them in the dumpster um again this is what people are saying happened yeah and whether they did or didn't i it wouldn't be like i don't think anyone's like huh this guy is sketchy i'm gonna i'm gonna call the police it's like this guy is like, this guy is a lot of people say a lot of things now. They're like, I remember seeing him there. What was he famous for? The naked part I don't know about, but

definitely having bloody clothes and throwing them in the dumpster and just being a general weirdo was common. Richard Ramirez was a good looking guy. A lot of women showed up to actually see him when he was on trial. He killed a lot of women, blah, blah, blah. He had a brother or an uncle or something who had come back from Vietnam and had gotten a bit dark about things that he did while he was there. And he was called, I'm looking at here because I didn't, Night Stalker. The Night Stalker.

I remember I had a tour called The Night Talker. Oh, that's right. There you go. But, yeah, Richard Ramirez was, yeah, he was like, maybe not the first, but he was one of the first, like before Ted Bundy where they were like, he's so handsome. But I was watching the Jeffrey Dahmer thing,

and, you know, I don't think about this a lot, but you often think to yourself, not often, you know, you think, if I killed a person, how would you get rid of the body, right, how would you get rid of the body? Right? How would you get rid of the body for us? Well, I used to live in Florida. I would bring them up to,

the Everglades would be a good place, I think. Everyone's always finding a place to dig a hole or this or that. No, it's a swamp. They would get absorbed by the swamp if you brought them down these levee roads in the middle of nowhere

that I used to have access to. Did that work for you? No, I didn't do it, but they would have found me because I would have had access to there. They would have discovered it. But you would think like gators and things. Well, this is the thing. I think still to this day,

the best way to get rid of a body is just putting it in your trash. Your trash? No, they're going to find it. No, they take the trucks. That's how Dharma got rid of him. Ramirez is just throwing his bloody clothes into a skip out the back of the hotel then they take all the trash and they put it through these giant blades before they put it in the landfills and chop it all up and even better yeah but they're not just haphazard like they see what's going in there no you put it in plastic

bags you cut it into bits i just reckon that's how you get rid of a body. You just let the garbage man take it for you. I don't know. I think that there's a lot of steps there. It's automated by your house with a truck. It's right near your house. It's doing this. You don't have to have a shovel.

Yeah, okay. But if anything, the thing is, if anyone discovers any of that along the way, and there's a lot of people that could see it, it's in a bag with all of your information. Now you're immediately caught. Dharma was doing it at his grandmother's house, just throwing them in the trash,

and he disposed of the bodies while she was at church. That was his whole game. He was killing guys in his grandmother's basement while she was asleep upstairs. Look, I remember when I was single, it was very hard to get a girl to come back to your house, you know what I mean? Let alone your grandmother's house, where she's still in there. What I'm saying is Jeffrey Dahmer probably had a little bit of game.

Okay, getting back to the Cecil Hotel, was there any other... Was this Austrian guy the one that Jim was talking about with the metal music? No, that would be Morbid. That's a musician that was around the time of Elisa Lam. But Jack Unterweger, he's Austrian. I don't know if I'm saying that correctly, but he stayed there in 1991. And, you know, partially because Richard Ramirez stayed there and he uh it was a bad dude he was convicted of murder in Austria but was released in 1990 after a campaign to free him because he was there I mean they're incarcerated for a short amount of

time I don't know the the laws there and then he got a job for an Australian an Austrian magazine to report on crime and prostitution in Los Angeles so he came to Los Angeles he go on ride-alongs with the LAPD essentially scoping out victims and actually killed three people I don't know if it was in the Cecil itself he was staying there but he he killed three people eventually getting caught he was on the run he was staying there but you don't know if it happened in the Cecil but he uh he killed uh three people eventually getting caught he was on the run oh he was staying there but you don't know if it happened in the ceasel but he murdered them and how is that what what newspaper what magazine in austria goes you know what we really need not just like a like a real in-depth what the crime in la story like it just seems like a weird thing like he could have bullshitted his way in.

Like, it feels like that as a cover is very basic. And so who was the metalhead? Morbid, he was saying. Yeah, morbid. And what was his whole thing? Because he would be like, I eat the blood of children. What was his whole jam? Did he do anything wrong in the end?

I think he was innocent. No. He didn't do anything. Yeah, he was just staying there probably because it was, you dark and and you know edgy and and and such and i think he was there around the same time as elisa lamb but not at the same time and i think people just assumed and like you said the the online sleuths which it could be very very helpful but also they could just be putting things out and chasing clicks and attention. Well, you're saying people online could just be talking rubbish. Yeah.

Yeah, Pablo Vergara, known as Morbid, and it really kind of, I mean, it wasn't good. It wasn't good for his life. He didn't like being accused of murdering. It affected him badly, but his whole life he walked around like this, I am that guy, and then they went, maybe you are that. Oh, no, why does everyone think I'm that? He had the right character.

You just said you've been drinking blood all day. Why? So Elisa Lam, as Jim said, is the girl in the tank. And how is it speculated that she died? Let's talk about her a little bit, Jason. I mean, I think from what a lot of people and what I remember in 2013, I wasn't as, you know, kind of true crime. I was more more dark history than I was true crime. But that that that video of her in the in the elevator was it.

That's what really everyone kind of knows and talks about. was it that's what really everyone kind of knows and talks about and i think you know the lapd uh ended up releasing it to try to get more information they didn't know what was going on and then it you know kind of went viral in that sense and it is a really compelling video because it is very very strange um just on its own i think that's what really kicked kicked things off um for you know, for, you know, and then just being in Los Angeles, you're like, Oh, wow, this is a this is a definitely a strange thing. There's never usually as much surveillance, you know, now there's way more surveillance, and it's it just looks better. Everyone has their phones. And

this just having this this strange piece of piece of video really kind of kick things off. Yeah, I'm looking I've never watched the video. I'm watching it right now as you're saying so what sir what was her? She was from where and like what was her back Toronto, Toronto was wild. Well, she's Asian. Yeah, I believe she's she's I believe she's Chinese, Chinese. But she was a her family. They lived in

Toronto, Toronto. Yeah, she was acting very sketchy. But I'm watching the video now. She's like, but she was, her and her family, they lived in Toronto. Yeah, she was acting very sketchy. Yeah, I'm watching the video now. She's like looking in her eye. Yeah, yeah. But what, they explain in the documentary, what actually was happening with the lift there? I think probably it was her kind of peeking her head in.

They said they saw there was like a foot by the door, holding the door open. I didn't particularly see a lot of what other people saw uh and uh you know it could it's all could just be an old elevator or she could have yeah you know she pressed a lot of buttons too yeah she pressed a lot of you know she kept on and everyone's like normally the door shuts like all of a sudden like i've been enough elevators to know that they're a bit erratic right and then this one's not working ghosts yeah murderers it's like it's a shitty elevator yeah and then i think she just went i think she went for a swim she got in the tank and then she was like how the fuck do i get out of this because there's no there's no ladder to get back out okay so it's like if someone jumps off a boat and there's no ladder to get back on the boat maybe you can talk a a little bit more. I don't even know. I know she, I guess was found in this

tank, but like, so she was, can you talk about that? So she was found on the roof in a tank. Is that what it was very easy? Uh, I don't think it's easy now, but it was very easy to, to get to the top floor and then climb onto essentially the roof and there was the water tanks and you know you know she had um you know mental health issues and she was on uh medications i don't know you know if that was how that how that played in positively or negatively i can't really speak on that but probably maybe a little bit of paranoia i mean you know you're a visitor in in los angeles that's overwhelming i think think, for generally for people or can be. And I think maybe she thought somebody was was looking for her or tried to get her or

somebody talked to her and it spooked her a little bit. But she got onto that roof and she climbed up and perhaps to hide the water tank was open. I see a lot of people talk about like, how do you get it open? How do you get to close? She it it was open she got in it perhaps to hide like i said realizing i have no way to get out and then uh sometime later a maintenance person which they don't talk about until you know the documentary he just closed he's like oh this is open it should be closed not looking to see let me see if there's any you know is anyone hiding out in here already dead at that point and then they closed uh they closed the thing so people were like how did she close it she couldn't have closed it from the inside

somebody had to have done it well they did but it was just a maintenance worker yeah they're never like oh check for dead bodies now close it up and then people were drinking that water yeah let's talk about how they discovered to even check the water tank the water pressure the water tank uh the the water pressure uh the water was

black uh and you know i mean sometimes i mean i think la water's pretty good it's not bad i used to work i used to work as one of the things i did was was dealing with water quality surface water quality but also drinking water i i've still i read the reports for la i actually like read them to see like it's not bad that water's all right it's okay it's okay for a big city and all the stuff we have to do it's not bad but so people were drinking this water that she was in yeah i mean they were you know they're brushing their teeth uh drinking the water taking a shower and then there's low pressure which you could say like oh this is a you know it's an old hotel um you know maybe not expecting you know expecting a luxury shower but yeah then you know that the coloration was uh was very very stark and i think enough people brought that to the attention so they're like you know you

send somebody up there's like hey let's check this out but the lapd actually searched the roof by helicopter and they were essentially right next to her at many many many points couldn't find it they never thought let's crack one of these things open and look. Silence of the Lamb. Did you just think of this? No, I've had it for years. Just been sitting on this waiting for it. Silence of the Lamb.

Okay. Okay. After they get her body out and they clean the tank, there's pipes and you have to change all the fixtures. You know, like all the stuff would get stuck, little decomposed body. It would never stay. It's disgusting.

People are there. You don't have to stay at the Cecil. No one's making you stay at the Cecil. There's a note in here about the 2005 movie Darkwater. Why is that in there? They mentioned they documented this movie Darkwater that they thought it was a copycat because it did look it was a very similar involved i think you know a similar outfit that she was wearing like a red outfit and uh involved a water tank so they

thought that somebody was doing a a copycat thing and it's you know kind of compelling but it's also a very very huge stretch of a pretty obscure movie and how many people died there i said 300 i think yeah yeah yeah i believe uh it is 80 80 all right okay i thought it'd be more because i feel like i always think that when i'm laying in a hotel room that like a suicide probably happened here because that's where in your room yeah that's where people go to do it yeah i you know you were talking in the beginning, Jason, about energy things, stuff like that, when you visit these places, but it's in your head already. But I am not a religious person.

I'm not even into really energy stuff, but there is something to be said. Sometimes you enter a house, and it might be perfect, and it just feels weird or something. I feel like that in hotels sometimes. I'm in certain hotel rooms and I'm like, I don't like this hotel room for whatever the reason is. Oh, I lived near this family once and I told my son,

I said, don't go near them. They're bad people. The house when you entered it had a bad mode. If they ever committed a murder or something like that and they came and asked me as the neighbor, I would have gone like this. Oh were horrendous humans people you lived next to yeah i can't say i've lived in a lot of houses so if you're one of my neighbors it could be you um but i staged my house when i bought it oh no no no no no there was these people there was these people i've been

excited there were no good i wouldn't go oh, oh, they kept to themselves. I would have gone, nah, they were wrong-ins. Do you believe in saging, Jason? Do you sage your home? No. I'm a skeptic by nature. I try to keep an open mind. I was telling him yesterday that I saw a TikTok of somebody's

uncle who was a construction worker at the Cecil and he's doing the renovations and it was a video of, you know, an empty hallway that had, you know, plastic wrap everywhere. And one of the main hallway doors, which is one of those big like kind of push doors, was opening and closing by itself. And was there a window open? No, it was one of those heavy doors like in an industrial building where you're like going into the hallway. And so I'm looking, I'm like, can I see any handles moving or is it smooth?

Like it looked very convincing. Do you believe in ghosts? Yeah, I do. Do you believe in ghosts? Yeah. And I cannot wait to be a ghost to haunt my friends. It's going to be so fucking awesome. You're going to haunt us?

Just like for funsies. If you die before me, make me a believer in ghosts. Oh, trust me, I will. You guys going to do pottery? Every time he comes over his head, I'm going to go, watch it, Jim. I'm right here. You're going to swipe it back at me. Yeah, if it bounces back, you know I'm in the room.

I don't believe in ghosts. It was one of my biggest problems with the new Star Wars movies. Yeah, yeah. It bothered you. Oh, I watched it with my son the other day. It's like Obi-Wan Kenobi used to come back and go, Luke, go to the Dagobah system. That's where Yoda...

And then he'd disappear. And then it's like, Obi-Wan, like that. Now it's like fucking Luke Skywalker is literally catching right now it's like fucking luke skywalker is literally catching things ray throws a lightsaber and luke goes like this and then he sits there what's the point of dying i know you're a jedi nothing happens you just sit and chat with you all day i know you're upset um uh the 911 calls is this per day how many are made or is this a question how many your date about the cecil 911 calls i think that per day how many are made? Or is this a question? How many a day about the Cecil 911 calls? I think that's some kind of average that they were having.

You know, it could be also from outside the hotel and inside the hotel. Like, hey, I'm a business next door. And how many is it? I saw something. Yeah. What's the number, of calls i think it's one one to three seem to be one to three a day look i just they feel like they need to tear it down yeah yeah but if it's one to three that means there's people in skid row like i'm at the front of the ceasar hotel and people like that block of land

will still you know i don't know just uh maybe not maybe you're right maybe all these hotels have people dying but they don't have the serial killer you don't I don't know. Maybe you're right. Maybe all these hotels have people dying, but they don't have the serial killer aspect. You don't reckon every Vegas hotel has a suicide a day? A day, you think? I reckon every fucking casino has one a day. You might be right. There's a lot of rooms.

But that is an extreme place. It's like the gambling. People who have lost all their money and stuff like that. There's theories in the casinos that you can get a lift all the way down to these tunnels underneath where the ambulances come in. So they never circulate. Oh, yeah, that makes sense because I've never seen. You never see a stretcher come out of the building or anything like that.

But with Sandy Hook, they tore the school down because they couldn't, you know, and they rebuilt. You're comparing Sandy Hook to the Cecil? No, just people die. Sometimes these buildings are- Yeah, but the Cecil's over a long amount of time. Sandy Hook was horrendous. No, I know it's horrendous.

Yeah, they're all horrendous. We're horrendous. Okay, and then the renovations or changes are being made. We talked about that. Stay on main. Wow. All right. Well, now it's part of our show called Dinner Party Facts.

We asked our guests to give us some sort of interesting or obscure fact about the subject, the Cecil Hotel. Is this one that you use to impress people? You got something for us, Jason? For the Cecil itself? Yeah. Or, yeah. I think the only, I mean, the only thing is I brought my mother to the parking lot in the back, which you're not allowed to go to. But for some reason, the security guard was not there. And it's actually really, I mean, it's very cool to see from the back.

It's in one of my books. It's just, you know, has a big signage. uh, you know, it's a parking lot with one car, my car, and it was the, uh, the security guards. And, uh, so I'm not thinking like you couldn't be here. Um, but I thought that was, uh, I mean, I thought that was pretty, a pretty fun and interesting, uh, you know, what, what could have happened. You know, they don't talk about the, there is a parking lot. There's an official, you know, downtown Los Angeles parking is mostly garages and such. It's not usually onsite parking.

So I think like what could have, what could have happened here? What would have transpired here in a parking lot where there was, you know, obviously not, there was less security and such. I thought that was something I always found really interesting and unique. I think that'd something I always found really interesting and unique. I think that would be a selling point that they'd have a pie.

And like when you took your mother's day, I feel like all hotels do a lovely mother's day brunch. You think the Cecil? Well, they have to stay competitive. Don't worry. Don't drink the water. A high tea with scones and stuff. Well, Jason Horn, thanks for being here jason uh knows

about many things and you can listen to uh his podcasts ghost town or strange year so listen and subscribe to those and check out his books uh abandoned and historic los angeles neon and beyond and signs of la lost in the dark and you can find them on instagram at the jason horton thank you for being here jason thank you for having me this is fun thanks jason if you can find them on Instagram at the Jason Horton. Thank you for being here, Jason. Thank you for having me. This is fun. Thanks, Jason. If you want to come on the podcast again, you're more than welcome. I feel like you've got... I'd love to. You're an expert in many things. I have plenty more

weird hotels. I have tons of weird Los Angeles stuff. Yeah, for sure. Ready to go. Awesome. We'd love to. We love it. Alright, if you're ever at a party and someone comes up to you and says, Lisa Lamb died from a ghost. I didn't say that.

I thought ghosts killed her. I just said, I can't wait to be a ghost. You say, I don't know about that, Kelly, and you walk away. Good night, Australia.