Kill James Bond! - Episode 15: View to a Kill
Episode Date: September 1, 2021We have reached the finale of the Moore Years, the Moore Enigma Machine that goes Good movie/ Bad movie/ Good movie says that it should be good- and it's got fucking Grace Jones and Christopher Walken... in it. Everything is in place for a fucking banger of a movie. Let's see how they do. We got our wonderful producer Nate on this one, you can find him on twitter at https://www.twitter.com/inthesedeserts and follow his podcast Hell of a Way to Die, a leftist millitary podcast by and for veterans at https://www.twitter.com/hellofaway Find bonus episodes at our reasonably-priced patreon! https://www.patreon.com/killjamesbond *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here: https://www.tomallen.media/ Find us at https://killjamesbond.com and https://twitter.com/killjamesbond
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We got an email via the form submission on our website just a couple of days ago, and I did want to read this.
This is from Cordell at Meat Data on Twitter.
The subject is Cars 2 on Acid.
Our grim findings.
The message reads as follows.
Hello, Alice, Abby, and Devin.
Love you and your works all.
your works all. I wanted to share with fellow travellers that I was
last night in a party of four who
took a courageous 250
microgram dose of LSD
before watching Cars 2.
As a contrast, we've previously
seen the colour out of space
on acid, and that comes by its horror honestly.
It creates dread without threat
and is not spiritually insidious.
Cars 2
was full of genuine horrors
that it were relentlessly and heartlessly
light with and it did not examine.
Its characters and predicaments
are all the devisings of an abject
gaze. Our eyes scrutinized
the whole of that intricate work.
It is audaciously
fucked and evil. Debasing,
dishonoring to the soul,
a vividly alluring, brutal world of grotesquery.
Children got to see
this!
The otherwise had a delightful night, including Paddington 2,
food, and some nice wildlife encounters, so we're
radicalised, but not totally hollowed out.
Thanks again.
Using drugs?
Or steroids? steroids. Hello and welcome to Kill James Bond, the podcast where we talk about horse steroids
and watching Cars 2 doing a large amount of psychoactive drugs.
I am Alice Caldwell-Kelly, joining me, Devin, Abigail Abigail Thorne and special guest
TV's Nate Bethea
hello thank you for having me
it's our pleasure you only like produce
all the episodes of our podcast
and are friends with us
Nate came down and knocked on the door
and now he's like sitting at the back of the podcast
with a clipboard to make sure that we're doing it right
yeah just don't don't
you're our podcast's Ofsted inspector just don't don't don't pay any notice just here to make sure
do try to use the sample about a man comes 007
man comes fuck you're gonna have to make me like scroll all the way any cost any
no that's the one above it. A man comes.
There we go.
There it is. Perfect, there he is.
We watched A View to a Kill, the last Roger Moore movie.
We sure did.
Because unlike that old bastard Connery, Moore doesn't come back.
He's like, you know what, I'm done, I'm out, I'm stopping it.
Yeah, he pulls the plug after this one.
done, I'm out, I'm stopping it.
He pulls the plug after this one.
And so this is, like,
the last row of Bond,
like, mid-80s Bond,
no less.
And we begin
in Russia?
Russia?
Because Roger Moore,
I think there's something in his contract
to say that he got paid by the skiing scene.
Each one of these, he has a different ridiculous skiing outfit.
And this one is like an extremely broad, fur-collared white ensemble.
It's amazing. I love it.
Genuinely, the Bond series, especially the Roger Roger Moore ones is just a series of movies
primarily about skiing
yeah pretty much
it's like a winter sports based series
but now it's all skiing
we open on a visage of skiing
communistically like just
running around Soviet soldiers
skiing in like a really like henchman
way sort of like if you were watching Captain
Planet like what the monster who wants
to destroy the environment's guys would be doing.
They'd just be running around really busily, but these
guys are skiing. They have an adorable
communist little snowmobile.
I was going to say communist snowmobile. My notes
were where to cop. Right?
It's this darling little bright
orange snowmobile with a big red
star on it. And it was like,
ah, communism.
As we see Bond, he has, I guess, invented a new nonce detector.
Because he is holding a little beeping gadget, we're not sure if it's meant to be like a
Geiger counter or some kind of tracker or whatever but he he traces something using this this gadget's beeps
to another dead double o agent who has been buried under the ice uh sadly this time he's not dressed
as a clown i mean all double o agents are clowns but this one is is dressed like james bond is um
and he takes out a little locket that the guy had, in which he had a little picture
of his family, tosses the picture of his family, which I quite like, and there's a little microchip
in there, which is the reason why he is there.
But of course he does get noticed immediately, and then shot at by the entire Soviet army.
Yes.
This is correct.
It's a pretty good skeet chase.
It is!
It is.
It's like, I mean, my notes here basically say it's great when there's somebody who is not Roger Moore doing the stunts.
Everybody else, they're really having to film around Roger Moore here.
He's not looking good, is the thing.
One of his skis gets broken, so he skis on one leg.
And then at one point, it seems he transitions to some other object to ski on
that I just wrote nonce snowboard in my notes.
Yeah, so there's a jarring clash of tones
where he steals a snowmobile that is then blown up,
but he then steals part of the wreckage of the snowmobile
and snowboards on it.
And Dev and I, we watched this together.
We cheered when he did this because i stopped
playing the beat yeah this is unaltered the exact sequence it's very loud so i do apologize for that
but this is the exact sequence of of sound effects that you hear when he takes the snowboard off of
the thing hits a couple of guys with it and snowboards away.
Absolutely unintelligible.
Do not adjust your James Bond film. This is
an intentional use.
I laughed
and I cheered when this happened.
It would have been great to go from that into the title sequence but they do beach boys for about 30 seconds and then the movie changes gears
and we go back to like that like stuff being blown up and it's like danger scene again it's it's
really really odd it's good it's fucking class i mean it's my my thesis for this whole movie is
that this is a bond film where he continually just starts showing up in different movies yeah pretty much he just keeps going through other things that were being filmed at
the time i guess so like this is just this is an early incarnation of that it's just a very
brief surf movie moment but he yeah he goes back to things being like genuine peril yeah he he he
shoots down a helicopter with a flare and then yeah as
he's like being closed in on all sides a little hatch opens up on an iceberg and it has a union
jack on the underside of the hatch and i repeat it oh you daft old bastard moment
it's just like oh okay cool yeah fine uh it's a little submarine it's a little submarine it's got a sexy
lady in it because of course it does goes in there there's a sexy lady he he does some sort
of various things and then fucking obliterates the pussy clock record yep previous record from from Moonraker was 155. This time, my man Roger Moore, 58 years
old, seals the deal in
52 seconds.
This woman is not a character.
She is here to be like,
I have completed my task. Sex reward
please. And
yeah, no, great.
We don't see her again. We don't know who
she is.
But Vaughn's just fully done that
Danish submarine murder shit on her
oh yeah
no very very true
and then we go
straight to
Duran Duran
very true
so I love this song
my wife and I were listening to it the other day
and she made the point that if it weren't for the sample sort of sounding
classic James Bond noises, you know, horn noises, stabs or whatever,
it's just a Duran Duran song.
It has no bearing on any other of the James Bond sort of sound canon,
if you will.
I don't know if you've ever seen the music video,
but it recreates some of the scenes of the film, except a very low-budget green screen with the band members, Duran Duran, when it was a five-piece band, being chased around by what you might describe as a primitive UAV, which is just a VHS camcorder flying around following them.
Hell yes.
It's so fucking good and just so of its time in a way
they were like the biggest band in the world
or at least they're certainly the biggest band in England at the time
and so it's very funny
that you know and sort of to make James
Bond relevant and we'll get into this
later you know as we discuss the plot
it feels like they decided to make
what if Duran Duran wrote a
song for what if James Bond did Police Academy
slash the blues
brothers yeah they yeah and that i think is very telling of the time in which it was made the song
is a little bit more james bond related than some of the previous ones like at least this says of
you to a kill more than once and as part of the chorus like the spy who loved me is a throwaway line this is the least the lyrics have
had to do with james bond for a while uh which is i think it's a good thing given that the brief that
like shirley bassey got was basically you have to say goldfinger and that he loves gold as many
times as possible she fucking did that though yeah, that is one thing you receive that information
from the song Goldfinger.
She also did a great job with the title
sequence of Cats and Dogs 2.
That's behind the paywall.
This is why you should pay us to find out about Cats and Dogs 2.
Yeah, which we'll be playing
in its entirety in that episode.
So, alright, first scene.
Bond
goes to...
This is the exact moment I found out that Grace Jones was in this movie,
was when her name appeared in that title sequence,
and I was like, holy shit!
Let's go!
Yes, for reasons I will get into later,
I will argue this is the most lesbian Bond movie.
But Bond goes into the office,
and Moneypenny is wearing a weird, like, sort of, like, formal dress.
He's like, hmm, I think that's appropriate for the office.
But the reason why is because they're going on, like, a works outing.
Yeah, they are.
They're going to the Royal Ascot.
They're all dressed in morning dress.
Q is there dressed in the grey trousers and the frock coat and everything, and they're
just like the officers going out to watch the races.
And I just found this so charming.
Yeah, it's like, it's daft, and he tries to flirt a bit with Money penny and by this point like roger moore is now
so old you get the sense that he doesn't like wouldn't even know what to do so the effect is
a bit like kenneth williams uh he's like you gotta realize for me not knowing the gradations of
formal dress because i'm not from this country they're all in suits and then after they have
the exchange where he talks about the microchip, he says,
you have 35 minutes to get properly dressed.
And I'm sort of like, but he's in a suit. What the fuck do you
mean? And then the next scene is them in
pop hats and shit. I'm just like,
is this real? Is England a
real country? Yes, yes it is.
So there is a level above
black tie in the UK called
morning dress, which is for weddings
and royal ascot intermediate between that and white
it's it features a whole bunch of extra things that no one's ever heard of before outside of
nonsense circles like hummer buns yeah uh tailcoat we either encounter when we're forced to read
charles dickens in school or like when we're making fun of something that sounds british
that's like a cummerbund is the kind of word
we would use so yeah
no no this is a real thing
I've been to weddings with a morning dress before
so the actual like briefing
scene is mercifully short
Hugh has a little robot
dog he has a Sony AIBO
he's in front of K9 from Doctor Who
yeah
he also has a microchip
comparator to compare microchips.
He does.
CompareTheMicrochip.com
Yeah, why don't you use
the identigraph? And so he
puts the microchip that Bond recovered
into the microchip comparator
to show that it's the same as another
microchip, which is
resistant to EMP. You get a beautiful moment where it's the same as another microchip, which is resistant to EMP.
You get a beautiful moment where it's the classic,
so 007, what's the deal with this movie?
007, explain the plot of GoldenEye to us.
And so Bond is like, yeah, no, if they set off a nuke in space,
it would fry every electronic piece of equipment with a circuit in it,
and that's why they developed, a British company
developed this thing.
For some reason, he says
his example of the thing
that would be destroyed in an EMP
is... A modern toaster.
Okay. Yeah.
Imagine a world... Oh no, there's been a nuclear attack!
Now I can't get toast!
Imagine a world. No toasters there's been a nuclear attack. Now I can't get toast. Imagine a world, no toasters.
In order to secure our modern toasters against nuclear attacks...
This came out two years after Threads.
Yeah.
This is the biggest threat against breakfast.
In order to protect our toasters,
a British company has developed an EMP-proof circuit
so you can get some toast while you're dying of radiation poisoning.
Absolutely. However,
that company was sold
to another company, an Anglo-
French corporation called
Zorin Industries.
And since then, it has
been stolen and that's how the Russians came by it.
And so, the plot once
again is, 007, this
company, named after a man,
we suspect it's evil go and talk to
that man
oh my god you're right it's
just Moonraker
which requires him to go
to a chalet and to propose
as someone who is looking to buy
a racehorse
maybe even the same chalet
but do you catch what they say
about Zoran
because Bond says well it say about Zorin?
Because Bond says, well, it could be Zorin.
Yeah, no, I wrote this down. This guy, you know, he used to be from East Germany.
And then the Minister for Defence says,
oh, no, Zorin is beyond reproach.
He is a, quote, staunch anti-communist
with influential friends in government.
That's how you know he's good,
is because he hates communists.
That moment is when I knew
that he was going to be revealed to be a communist.
He's been vouched
for by our friend Mr. Philby, who says
he's very reliable.
So Q, M,
Moneypenny, and Bond all
go to the races together. They go to
Royal Ascot together. It's quite nice.
It's quite nice.
Like, we see Z zoran's horse come from nowhere
in the last furlong to win um yeah his horse is called pegasus which is the flat out most
unrealistic thing in a bond film so far yeah is being able to get that name for a fucking race
what's also really funny to me at this point is Bond and M's surveillance
technique is
as you would imagine British spying
is to stand
wearing morning dress in the
members enclosure at Royal Ascot
and turn 180 degrees
with binoculars
and turn those binoculars on
Max Zorin who is a surprisingly young, twink-looking...
Walken.
It's Christopher Walken.
Christopher Walken with bleach blonde hair, looking young as hell.
And good, quite good in this, I mean, let's be honest.
Oh, honestly.
Yeah.
He's also, with him is Grace Jones, maybe his girlfriend, question mark? And the other unrealistic thing about this scene is,
you have Grace Jones standing in a crowd, and none of them are looking at Grace Jones.
Everybody is just like, oh, that's boring, you know, not interested in what's going on here.
And so, M sort of briefs Bond on Zoran he's like no he came from east germany in the 60s
he speaks five languages with no accent uh he's like a renowned east german defector who's shown
to be a kgb guy in this fucking series of movies captain of industry the. The first was... What was his name from...
Kriegler. Kriegler, that's the one.
Kriegler.
So, of course...
A bit of ideology.
Speaking of ideology, we're not
sure if this guy's evil or not,
but the way we kind
of discern is
we kind of think maybe he's been
defiling the sanctity of
royal ascots
by cheating at racing horses.
At this point I was like,
microchips?
Where have the microchips gone?
No, this is a horse-based plot from now on.
The most evil
British crime of all.
The worst thing we can imagine happening.
A horse. And that's it. That's the we can imagine happening. A horse.
And that's it. That's the end of a sentence.
A horse has been tampered with
at the Royal Ascot, which is a crime
above capital punishment.
That is the kind of thing that you would expect
MI6 to investigate in real life.
Oh, 100%.
They're like, well, we don't know if he's evil or not.
We do know a French pervert you can have a chat with.
They keep changing the name of this character because it's like badly dubbed
and what they end up
settling on calling him is
Ahu Aubergine
yes
fantastic
detective Aubergine of the Sauter
yes how do we set up
that we're in France really quickly?
Devonass name.
Where's in France?
Oh, baby.
One of the major things that's in France.
Well, one of the things is the Eiffel Tower.
Racism?
Oh, those are a second guess.
Yeah.
You have to imagine that even in, like, the 80s, the restaurant in the Eiffel Tower
was some tourist trap shit.
And yet, Bond is like, yeah, now I'll just take him to the most luxurious place. the restaurant in the Eiffel Tower was some tourist trap shit and yet
Bond is like yeah I'll just take him
to the most luxurious place
I'll meet this guy in the most luxurious place in Paris
the Eiffel Tower
no
yes there's a weird
cabaret show with butterflies that are being
operated by somebody with a fishing pole
and then
but shocker,
the masked person operating the fishing pole butterflies
gets punched out by another masked person,
Grace Jones in ninja costume slash burka,
however you want to interpret it,
who takes over the fishing line
to deliver a fatal poison dose to the French pervert
right after he's given Bond the crucial information
and
thus precipitating a chase
on the
perfect assassination weapon
yeah absolutely
a butterfly on a fishing line
excellent work 47
now make your way to
an exit and And so she
climbs up the Eiffel Tower,
pursued by Bond,
and she
pulls what was, I guess, his trick
on him, because she just parachutes
off the Eiffel Tower.
Yeah, she base jumps off it, which
I think you can do.
Yeah. But isn't
the Eiffel Tower just about the minimum
height that you can jump from?
They actually did it for this, and the thing is
they wanted to do two shoots
so two jumps
so they got all the footage they needed
and the first one came off so well
that they got everything they needed from it
and a couple of their stuntmen who did not
get to jump were so pissed at being
excluded that they illegally jumped from the Eiffel Tower and got fired.
Because the legal costs from this totally outweighed the tax benefits from filming it in France.
It's rock.
I hate to say it.
Ah, listen.
They're rock.
Ah, les hommes des rats
So Bond
jumps on an elevator
and rides that elevator to the street
and then
throws a guy out of his taxi
in order to give chase
and this guy
Well, so he runs up to a taxi
and he goes like, follow that parachute
and the guy, who is a Frenchman, essentially goes
the equivalent of
I'm on fucking break
so he just tosses him straight
out the car so he throws him out the car
knocks him into some souvenir
vendors steals the car
and then the guy basically runs
after him on foot watching him
smash things saying oh my
car like five times
oh my car like five times oh my notes say where is jw pepper why was he not in the back of that taxi being like
oh i'm on holiday in france yeah and he really does say this way too long. They hold that for a while.
I only clip part of it.
He says it numerous times. And then Bond, as he's
chasing the parachute, is crashing
through traffic, going the wrong way
in and around
the Eiffel Tower and that part of Paris.
He decapitates the car,
hitting some kind of barrier.
He gets hit by things that split the car in half.
By the end, he is driving half of a car
where he's practically sitting on the street driving
just with the front wheels. My notes say
is this a metaphor for impotence?
And he is able to
crash off a bridge
to jump onto the same barge
boat pleasure craft that
Mayday has gotten onto. She's
landed on. she has landed
comes through the seal the glass ceiling of this boat lands in a wedding cake and the way that
they have filmed this i have a still which i posted in the group chat of whatever they
whatever bond shaped objects they flung down onto this wedding oh it's fully just a fucking model
easily it's also really funny because then he gets
detained by French chefs with cleavers.
Like, I don't know if you caught that,
but they like detain him to arrest him.
And they're all holding
various sharp kitchen implements.
And then he has to get bailed out
from the gendarme, basically.
Sort of goes back to that line from
Man of the Golden Gun, where M's
listing the people
that would want to have Bond killed, and he mentions...
Yeah! Outrageous chefs!
Here they are!
So Grace Jones escapes, and we see her and Zoran in the speedboat together, making good
their escape. These two just love each other's company, which is just fantastic to see.
They're vibing, it's good.
Yeah, it's great. Genuinely, I'll come back to to this but i think the vibe that azoran
and may they have is uh what a european couple on vacation ask if you want to swing and you're
like shit maybe yes yes they won't even have the time to finish the second word in a sentence
so m bale's bond out of france jail uh and yes we also see i guess we had met him
earlier but this is not really important then we also see patrick mcneigh uh who is like mi6's
horse agent yep his name is free tibbet 009
he puts in a solid application for the
Good Night Cross in this movie
He really does
I think I can get Bond into
Zoran's Chateau
Last occupied by a guy named
Hugo Drax, but that's not important
He's holding like a
horse stud
event, like an auction
and we can get Bond in under forced pretenses and the other
thing is that sir godfrey is much posher than bond and so the the joke that you expect is like
oh bond's gonna be his chauffeur but instead they swap roles and now sir godfrey tibbett is driving
bond around bond is now james singen smith horrible oh my god i just realized something
this is very funny and i wonder if this was a subconscious thing or if he did this deliberately
but uh when we did the trash future episode about sensitive tycoons like like a fake april fool's
day podcast about tech influencers milo's extremely posh character was named james singen John Smith and so I'm kind of wondering if that was
just like that's the poshest name that a human
being can have so he just
defaulted to that or if it was deliberately a reference
to a Bond film
Bond really plays up to this too and there's a bit
later on where cause like he kind of
abuses Tibbett
as like his valet
Milo's in the room and he said that actually
no it was just him riffing
so basically it's the poshest name that can exist
it's just the poshest name
anyone could imagine
Sinjin is like a very posh
what's really funny is that like
later on
in between breaks of being like berated
for not carrying his luggage well enough
and stuff, Sir Godfrey breaks
cover and he's like, oh, do you have
to be so mean when we're not
undercover? And Bond goes,
the best cover becomes second
nature. And I actually really like
this idea that, like, of course
Bond's best covers are
being the most reprehensible
cunts in the world. Oh, 100%
I understand. He doesn't know shit about horses,
but he can absolutely be rude to the world. 100% I understand. He doesn't know shit about horses, but he can absolutely be
rude to the hell.
So they go to
the chateau that, like,
again, it may as well just be the one that Drax
had in Moonraker, in
like a Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost,
which is very nice.
He asks where the
main stables are, and he gets pointed
to a building that, if you had asked me, I would have said, that's a mansion. But that's main stables are and he gets pointed to a building that if you had asked me,
I would have said,
that's a mansion.
But that's the stables.
I was like, oh, fuck.
I don't know shit.
We meet a guy called Scarf Eye.
The difference between this chateau
and Drax's is that all of Zoran's employees
can read.
Fantastic.
Have I mentioned about me
that I'm a lesbian?
I've got some memory of this.
Because, like, typically at this point, in the sort of general pattern of this
movie, this is where you would hire, like, a big, faintly foreign guy.
What Zoran has done instead is to hire two absolute smoke shows in riding gear.
Yep.
Mmm.
Welcome, sir. I'm Jenny Flex.
Jenny Flex.
Jenny Flex and Pan Ho.
Jenny Flex, not so
a joke there.
I feel
quietly the sort of lesbian Winton kid
of this movie. Because they're always
together, and they're just thriving, you know, it's sweet.
But for the moment...
We meet a guy called Scarpain, who is like...
Head of security.
Head of security, and he's sick of Bond's shit within about a minute.
Yep.
Because 007 doesn't know shit about horses but he's
undercover at a stud farm and he's just like
pointing at the horses being like that's a big
horse right there isn't it pal
and scampi is like yes sir
I see that one's got four legs hey
fantastic
some powerful hooves on that beast
bloody hell.
So we get a few more scenes of like, Bond being a cunt to Tibbet and like, making
him seem put upon, making him carry the bags and stuff.
And then, while Bond goes and schmoozes at Zoran's party, Tibbet breaks into the stables,
and sees that a horse seems to have disappeared
within its stall
in between him seeing it
and him going in.
And he sees this
creepy-looking vet guy
and is like, huh, that's interesting.
Bond also
discovers that Zoran has written
a check to a sexy blonde lady
for $5 million.
We don't find out what that's for yet,
but we see that he's like paying somebody off. This movie does something quite clever because it keeps us pretty well distant from Zoran at this point.
Like,
as opposed to Moonraker,
to which at this point,
this is the same movie.
The thing with Moonraker is Drax is like,
ah,
Mr.
Bond,
this is my entire weird deal.
Can I press you to a cucumber
sandwich? Whereas
at this point, we mostly see
Zoran going in and out of rooms
and schmoozing and shit.
We haven't seen him commit
any crimes. We don't even know he's actually responsible
for the microchip thing. That's just a hunch.
He's quite slick about it.
The effect is quite professional.
When he first talks to him and he makes the joke about you know writing and sport and stuff like that
and uh he says oh do you do you do fly fishing and it's sort of like a really ham-fisted reference
to the murder of the french pervert uh walk-in manages to pull it off that instead of being like
oh you found my scheme he just uh he just basically gives him this look like yeah fuck you weird i
don't want to deal with you and then he's like oh i'm sure the ladies will keep you entertained and
just tells him to basically tell him to fuck off and i was like yeah that that that reminded me in
a way of i don't know if you've seen the mission impossible movie where philip seymour hoffman
plays the villain incredibly well but he has this just like murderous disdain for people and it
comes through like it's instead of being like over the top circus clown kind of villain it's just like a guy who clearly like he the people that he doesn't need things
from he's like i could fucking kill you and feel nothing and i feel like uh to a degree christopher
walken kind of pulls that off like he has that disdain of sort of like a i'm a rich twat i can
do what i want yeah so bond bond tries to like sidle up and put the nonce moves on the woman that he saw getting
the check, who he only knows from the check sign, who's S. Sutton.
I did get a drop of him saying,
I'm English.
Which is his opening line.
And she goes like, really, I couldn't tell.
And he's like, oh, couldn't you?
And of course, Zoran immediately has mayday separate them and mayday is like uh
bond bond's line is like no i'm disappointed i thought i was going to be having sex tonight
uh and mayday's like yeah no don't worry about it you'll do fine uh to which bond tries his luck
with grace jones yeah the threat that she pulls is that she will,
I will take care of you personally later.
And Bond is like, I'll take care of the end of my penis.
Which is, again, a bold strat, honestly.
But this whole sequence is genuinely James Bond
walking around a posho function,
being the most a spy anyone has ever been.
Everything he does, he is so not undercover.
It's genuinely incredible.
Everyone is onto him.
He sneaks out of his room, which is, of course, being bugged.
But they've set up like a tape recorder.
is of course being bugged but they've set up like a tape recorder and
having donned what I can only describe as a
sneaking tracksuit
he and Tibbets find an
underground horse laboratory
yeah they do
for um
they go into the
underground laboratory and like
there is just the shadow of a horse
in a dark lab and it would
genuinely is a little bit terrible they turn on the light and it's just a nice horse and godfrey
tibber is generally just like patting the horse which i think is quite yeah yeah it's quite sweet
but they do confirm that zorin is cheating at the royal ascotcot remote control horse. He has implanted a microchip
in the horse, and then when he
presses a button on his little
morning dress cane, it
injects the horse with
horse steroids and makes
it go faster.
Yes.
You can also download up to 28,000
songs onto your horse.
They're of course terrible at sneaking,
and they get immediately discovered by a couple of guards.
Two guys arrive.
Two guys arrive.
They beat those two guys up,
and Bond throws them into a packing machine.
Because apparently they've got all the microchips.
So, yeah, they pack them into a case of microchips
because the horse farm also has the microchip factory somehow.
Yes. Yeah. Also, my favorite a case of microchips because the horse farm also has the microchip factory somehow. Yes.
Yeah.
Also, my favorite way to receive microchips,
just loose in a wooden box.
They hadn't fucking invented Lean Six Sigma yet, all right?
In the 80s, you could have a microchip factory in your horse farm
and people would be like, yeah, that's a great business.
I'm at the microchip factory.
I'm at the stud farm.
I'm at the combination. I'm at the combination microchip factory. I'm at the stud farm. I'm at the combination.
I'm at the combination microchip factory.
What's up?
Great minds.
We're in podcast sync.
This is intercut with a scene
that was made for me
of Zorin and Mayday
having a fucking fight.
It's a sex fight.
This is them doing like foreplay
right like this is their
foreplay like them
kicking the absolute shit out of each other
in like is it a karate
or like a judo
like a judo ring yeah
they fight in the sex dojo
and then he starts
making the moves on her and they start, but then he's interrupted by security.
Yes, I told you never to call me here.
And then they tell him, oh, we found two guards unconscious.
And fair play to Zorid.
He's immediately like, all right, I will postpone my sex plans.
And also, I immediately know that this most obvious spy looking motherfucker
clearly it is this man let's go to his room and see what see what's going on um and so
he goes personally which i appreciate i appreciate a hands-on villain yeah yeah
he he and may they go to singe and smith's room find he's not there. And I'm like, aha, I knew it.
And at this point, Mayday puts it together that it's like, oh, wait a second.
That's the guy from the Eiffel Tower as well.
That's that's fucking she doesn't remember that he's James Bond, but he's like an agent.
And then as as she is going to her own bedroom, there's James Bond.
This is genuinely incredible.
Completely, well, presented to be nude, or at least in a state of undress, shirtless,
in her bed.
Nude, in the bed.
And he goes, oh, I thought you said you were going to take care of me personally.
And we get my favourite little exchange of this movie, which is, she glances, she
looks back over to Zoran, and Zoran genuinely gives her a,
shit, maybe.
Just like, yeah, all right, then.
Fucking go on.
I love their relationship so much.
Yeah, all right, go on.
Yeah, he shrugs and shakes his head.
He's like, yeah, go for it.
Why not?
Right.
Why not?
She just leaps right into it And doesn't say anything
And Bond is just like I see you're a woman of few words
And she says
What's the line nothing to talk about
Or nothing to discuss
Grace Jones blows his back walls out
Initiates sex
James Bond about to experience getting top
For only the first time
Best of luck, mate.
So the next morning,
Bond in the afterglow
of having had sex
with Grace fucking Jones
goes to see Zoran
and Zoran,
we should put it at the top here.
This movie is a computer's movie.
100%.
This is the point where they were like,
holy shit, have you ever heard of Apple Macintosh? I find a computer's movie. Yeah, 100%. This is the point where they're like, holy shit, have you ever heard of Apple Macintosh?
I find a computer indispensable.
You can do everything you want on this piece of equipment.
So basically, through hidden cameras,
Zorin takes pictures of Bond head-on and in profile
and submits it to the computer.
He gets identigraphed.
Yeah, and the computer comes back.
Basically, the picture
slowly degrades into pixels as it's being
uploaded like it's being turned into like a 16 color
Sierra game and then it comes
back with his name
his occupation
highly dangerous certainly armed
licensed to kill
a big flash across the screen that says licensed
to kill it's incredible
it's really it's really good
because the entire way through Zoran is like
talking to Bond like yeah we're just trying to
find a horse that'll suit your needs
and it's coming like flashing up on the screen
Harry's a gun and he's going
ooh
he's got such like a ooh damn
I love Zoran's
vibe so much so of course he's like such, like, a, ooh, damn. Yeah, I love Zoran's vibe so much. So, of course
he's like, I have to kill this man.
But I have to kill him in, like, my
favourite weird way.
So, like, for Drax, that would be hunting.
For Zoran, it's horse racing.
So, Bond sends
Sir Godfrey Tibbett into town
in the Rolls Royce to
go and, like, get a message to M.
And he immediately falls for the most obvious trick in the book, right?
The gates don't open. Mayday is there.
He gets out to open the gates. Mayday opens the gates for him.
And when he looks back, she's not there.
And I wrote down in all caps, BACKSEAT, idiot.
100%. That's exactly what Abby said to me at the time.
Just turned straight up and was like vaccine
vaccine vaccine she's in the vaccine
so Godfrey invents this excuse like
oh I've got to go and have the car
washed in town I'll be back
so that he can leave the compound
but then he actually goes to the car wash
first rather than
contacting them
he like forgot it was a lie
so he gets
got in the fucking car wash
he's followed there by the two lesbians
also and again
incredible look I was gonna say like they
just basically stare him down with like
lesbian death glare as the
I thought like when I first saw the scene I
didn't realize that they were like oh we're gonna get him
after I thought like they had done something to make this like a murder car wash and so when the
rollers descended on the car that like it was going to explode or something because you knew
like if you get stared at that menacingly by the two lesbian henchwomen like you are going to die
like there is no escape no you get a genuinely quite like we're starting to learn cinematography
which is fantastic you get a genuinely quite good
thing where the car is framed
as a kid it made me scared of going through car washes
by the car wash rollers
and just as the last one comes down
last second you see Mayday
arrive from the back seat and just grab him
and then the whole frame gets eclipsed by the
car wash roller coming down and it was genuinely
very well done
I'm sorry I disagree I thought that shot was absolutely fucking hilarious because it looks like he's being
killed looks like he's being killed by the honey monster because it's just he's like big yeah okay
he's like big fluffy things and i'm like this is not scary this is just a car wash my second point
is that the the windscreen is a little bit too covered in water to actually see. Yeah, because I genuinely, I got to be honest with you,
I was, I mean, I thought I was paying attention,
but I didn't catch that there was the scuffle from the back.
I just saw the rollers descending and the scary music.
I was like, well, you just don't come out of the lesbian car wash alive, I guess.
No.
I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt here.
I wish Grace Jones would strangle me to death.
Anyway.
You'd have to fucking get in line!
Do you have the address of the lesbian car wash?
We have to focus.
We have to focus at this point.
So Bond has to like...
Yeah, we gotta get through this shit.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So Zoran puts Bond on like a dangerous horse named Inferno, which has the, um, the like,
the ster- the horse steroids implanted in him already.
It's got all his music on it.
And he challenges him. He's like,
if you can stay on this steeplechase
course with me
and a bunch of other rough-looking
dudes, then you can...
I will give you my
best horse.
Genuinely the most henchman-looking
asshole.
Can I throw this? This is very funny to me, because
basically, he was like all right
you know uh they're gonna ride with you for company or whatever and they immediately start
doing henchman shit and i thought it was very funny because it was like the plan was so water
tight that basically not only did he have like the booz kashi horseman to fucking knock the shit out
of james bond but then like he also has these traps built in that he's activating with remote
controls that just keep fucking up his henchmen and not Bond.
And that's where we're thinking like, man, this must be the worst job if you work for
fucking Zoran.
You have to be the horse guy who crashes on everything.
And invariably, none of the henchmen attacks work.
Bond fights them off.
But in my notes, I wrote, on my signal, unleash horse because he pushes the button and the
horse goes nuts,
and they open up the gate for the horse to go nuts,
and it goes running through the woods with Bond on it,
and then they arrive at the car,
but unfortunately, Sir Godfrey has been snatched up,
and it's Grace Jones behind the wheel with a gun.
Yes.
You get the most genuinely owned Bond has ever been
by a villain since Doctor No.
The thing about zoran
is that he's a pimp right and i want to clarify that with this line which is one of my favorites
in the movie killing tibbett was a mistake i'm about to make the same mistake twice
fucking cooked his ass and then bond says um if you kill me then my department will send someone
else and zoran says if you're the best they have,
it's more likely they'll try to cover up your embarrassing incompetence.
It's incredible.
Genuinely incredible.
Oh, it just absolutely destroys Bond.
They put Bond in the back of the car,
and there is the most classic Roger Moore oof
when he gets hit in the back of the head.
Oh, it's good.
Yeah, there he is i
kept feeling like various noises that robert roger moore makes in this come very close to the
homophobic noise uh like there's there's a number of sounds that you're just like those are added
in so that the viewer knows it's roger moore making them like as bond character but like
there's just there's just this air of about him that because i haven't watched
it i mean i've seen i think i saw a couple of these as a kid i wasn't prepared for i've just
been listening to you all discuss these episodes and kind of riff on them and some of the sound
bites but like i wasn't prepared for just how like everything about him is genuinely
it's wild i haven't been pulling any punches about this fucking guy. So they put the two of them in the back of the car, there's a shot of Tibbet
and Bond unconscious or dead in the back of the car that is very much like smoking on
that shit that killed James Bond, they push the Rolls-Royce into a lake...
Oh, wasted car.
What can you do? And then, in celebration, because they're kind of like, both Zoran and Mayday are tremendously
horny because of this.
Yeah, hopefully.
And so, like, the first thing that he does after pushing the car into the lake
is to smell her glove again.
Him.
And so, as Bond wakes up underwater, they're just kind kind of like getting too horny to kill him and
they just kind of leave yeah well they wait on him to emerge they can shoot him but bond realizes he
can see through the water clearly enough that they're waiting so he uncaps one of the tires and
my my my notes were basically uh if i remember correctly my book is away from me my notes were basically if I remember correctly my book is away from me my notes were you wouldn't
download a car and then it was
sucking off a tire because yeah he basically
huffs air out of the tire
to stay awake underwater
until they've walked away and then he
is able to escape
in the world of cars too he's now
common law married
so now we get
a character we all love.
Our magnificent boy.
First shot of this scene is extremely good.
I'm not going to spend the time to explain it
but it was just very well framed.
I liked it.
Zoran is at the racetrack and we meet
our boy General Gogol.
He walks in
and he goes,
I'm the head of the K goes, and I went, yes!
Also, I was like,
damn, Gogol's bodyguard is hot.
Like, the guy in the background.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm glad you noticed it.
I was like, what the fuck?
Is it?
And the reason why it's Dolph Lundgren is
that he was dating Grace Jones at that point.
Yeah! Fuck yes! What, bro!
You've probably seen the photos of the most powerful couple in the world.
Oh, I've seen those photos maybe a hundred times.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so because he was on set anyway with Grace Jones,
the director was like, well, I need a big guy to be Gogol's bodyguard.
Do you wanna, Dolph, do you do you want to lace him up for this
movie? And he did.
Dude's
rock.
You know, Dolph Lundgren
and Grace Jones actually had a secret love
child, and that child was Devin.
Thank you.
I'll take that to the back.
You're a KGB agent,
and that means you've got to stop fucking around with this
horse shit, because you're compromising
our operations.
Yeah, he genuinely walks in and he's like, hey, remember
the plot of the movie?
Remember that you're a KGB agent?
Zoran goes, ah, microchips, yeah.
Ah, microchips.
But also, I quit. I'm into
this horse thing now.
I don't work for the KGB and one of Gogol's
he's going reds to riches
he's not going to be a billionaire as a cover
he's just going to do it
one of Gogol's guys, the non-Dolph Lundgren guy
goes, well the KGB created you
and we made you
and without us you'd just be a weird
biological freak of nature and made a KGB created you and we made you and without us you'd just be a weird biological
freak of nature
and Mayday picks that guy
up over her head. I was gonna say, I was like, I'm tired
today, it's been a long day, but like I did recall
a guy basically getting suplexed by
Mayday. I didn't remember that wrong. Oh, he got completely picked up.
Yeah, yeah. Fantastic.
We should take this moment then
actually because we skipped over a extremely
powerful guy. Which guy did we skipped over a extremely powerful guy
which guy did we skip over
the most unbelievably
Nazi looking
Nazi Q right
I mentioned him earlier as the weird vet
going in and out of the horrors
the weird Nazi vet
Dr Karl Mortner
with a
monocle he looks like he looks like, one... He's got, like, a monocle.
He looks like... Yeah, he looks like a Nazi, because he's a Nazi.
He's a eugenicist, that's his deal.
He, like, openly just tells Bond,
yes, I have breed the horses
to make them into some master equine race.
Like, it's that level.
So because Gogol is very, very affable.
Bond genuinely says to him something like,
I suppose you could also use that on humans, if you
considered, to which the fully
Nazi scientist goes,
yes. And then
he's like,
do you get it?
We're doing boys from Brazil
shit. I'm going to be extremely mad in about
five minutes about this guy, so I needed him
set up. So Gogol
is like, because he's the world's most
affable man, is like,
no one ever leaves the KGB.
We'll get you back.
But in the meantime, understandable.
Also, please stop suplexing
my guys and leaves.
Please put my guy
down. Now at this point,
we transition seamlessly
to what may be the best
please touch this metal plate scene. Oh, it's so good. Oh, it's so good.
It's actually so good. In the whole fucking franchise.
So Zoran briefs a bunch of, like, international tycoons, right? And it's more or less a retread
of the, like, gangsters thing from uh goldfinger even to the point
of him having a little model on the table that he like brings up that he's very proud of but
when he tells them okay i've got a plan and that plan is to destroy silicon valley so we can all
get rich making microchips and the americans won't be able to compete with us one guy i wrote okay
he's based i'm on his side one guy goes yeah okay i don't want to do
this okay i don't i'm not interested and so zoran's like okay fine do you mind stepping outside for
like confidentiality reasons would you please touch your hand onto this he walks outside and
he goes mayday will keep you entertained and she leaves and i'm like oh this is the deadest she gives him a little wink too
which is just like perfect
they walk out and Mayday
says this way please and he walks down a little
flight of stairs and then Mayday presses a button
and the floor
opens up and it's revealed
that we're on a fucking blimp
with Zorin's name on it and this guy just goes
Oh!
We're on a fucking dirigible!
They drop him out of a dirigible into
San Francisco Bay. It's great.
Yes. Oh no, sorry. Fuck.
The line isn't Mayday will take care of you.
It's Mayday will get you a drink.
And then he says, does anyone else
want to drop out? A bit that only he understands sorry no it's it's
no i noticed that too i was like see that's the bond moment when they have to have the really the
sly pun in there on top of like the villain doing villain shit but one thing that i thought was
really funny was maybe instinctively that guy asian american guy who says no i don't want to
be part of it he's almost next to Grace Jones, I think, or in the
crowd clapping at Roy Alaska. And when I saw
him, I was like, oh, that dude's dead. That's a henchman.
He's so fucking dead. And so the fact
that then he does in fact die
getting thrown out of a fucking blimp.
Yeah, I was like, oh, you know what?
Maybe my read on Bond movies is okay.
Well, we don't know what the plan is yet. We know he's going to
destroy Silicon Valley, but we don't know whether he means
literally or metaphorically or like we have something to get
through first which is mayday and zara come to the cockpit of the blimp and guess what the title of
this movie is what have you to a kill that's the name of the movie that we're watching
such a non
that was the thing that I thought too
that's not even a bad line
her saying what of you
but him saying that
like you just said Alice
it's a Bond movie
they have to fucking hit you
at this point
James Bond has not been in the James Bond
movie for about 15 minutes.
Yeah, which is why I've been enjoying it so far.
My notes from this moment says this movie
owns. Yeah, we know
broadly what the plan is, which is destroy
Silicon Valley to make microchips.
But mostly we've just been hanging out
with Max Zorin.
And the only misstep so far
is him basically saying that's shabby.
100%.
So we meet Bond again.
We have to fucking go back to our guy.
And he...
He's in
San Francisco. He's on the docks. He goes
to a fresh seafood
go right ahead. There's a lot of this movie in
San Francisco. And the reason why
is that mayor of San Francisco
at that point, Dianne Feinstein, wanted to fuck Roger Moore.
Nilsson, because Dianne Feinstein wanted to fuck Roger Moore, she gave this production
every possible permit, every filming location,
and every tax abatement she could give them.
Get him, queen!
Cougar shit!
It may be libelous of me to say that I assume
that in order to get this movie made,
they had to make Roger Moore have sex with Dianne Feinstein.
But I believe that's what had to happen for this movie.
One of the people involved...
I mean, you better hope that he was good.
I don't know if that's libelous
because one of them's dead
and the other is like fucking senescent.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah, I reckon.
I reckon we could say it.
I mean, yeah.
I think it's fair.
Don't get the legal counsel on this.
Yeah, I think we can intuit
from the information
that we've been provided that Roger Moore was Diane Feinstein's don't get the legal counsel on this yeah i think i think we can intuit from the information that
we've been provided that roger moore was diane feinstein's favorite bond she made a lot of like
things very easy for them because she would like roger moore a lot yeah no 100 well she only had
three to choose from at that point and she did choose wrong admittedly but he was 58 he was 58 during the filming bond meets a cia agent uh called lee
a suitably insecure code phrase which was to approach a fucking seafood stand and go yes i'd
like the soft shelled crab which is a thing that they could conceivably sell. We have to, like, tick off another big, like, bond
tick box here, which is
weird fisherman-related
intrigue. Like, this is taking us
all the way back to, like, Doctor No and Thunderball,
where Lee,
like, takes him to, like, a crab
fisherman, who's like, oh, the crabs are all
fucked, because of fucking
Max Zoran's pumping station for oil.
I'm not sure what accent I was trying to do there.
No, because we get a fucking line.
We get a line from
CIA agent Lee about
the fucking Nazi doctor
where he genuinely complains
that Russia provided amnesty
for a Nazi scientist
after World War II.
We've got a fucking CIA
guy straight up going, bloody Russians onboarded this Nazi after World War II we've got a fucking CIA guy straight up going
bloody Russians onboarded this Nazi
after World War II
disgraceful
and I'm like are you fucking with me
are you fucking kidding me
are you fucking kidding me
so Horsky
in the camps
his deal was like trying to
enhance intelligence by injecting people with...
Posteroids.
And the result was that it created a number of, I guess, like boys from Brazil, like extremely blonde, extremely intelligent Nazi children who were also psychopaths.
And obviously, one of those
is Max Zorin.
Yes.
And so, the reason why
Max Zorin defected from
the East is the
Soviets took this Nazi eugenicist,
used his horse steroid expertise
for their Olympic program,
and then...
Yeah, unfortunately, i have to compete
under the athletes from russia or buggers they uh yeah they they created a number of these like
boys from brazil and then sent one of them west as like a sleeper agent um so interesting a lot
of ideology going on it was such an ideology line that i had to pause the
movie sarin has a nazi super brain that's he's got a nazi super brain he's also got an oil pumping
station he does yes he's also and he's got an oil pumping station uh which bond scoob is into he
almost gets minced up by an underwater fan and simultaneously the russians are also infiltrating
it um and uh they catch the russian agent and he gets thrown into the underwater fan. Simultaneously the Russians are also infiltrating it and they catch
the Russian agent and he gets thrown into the underwater
fan and chopped up into grist.
That's quite a narrowing shot.
But Bond comes back to shore
and finds another one of
the Russian agents who has escaped
and it's a sexy lady.
Yeah.
This is where the film starts meandering
and just adding five or ten minute bits that don't
need to be this is the moment at which if you're watching this movie you can stop watching the
movie and skip about 50 minutes ahead yeah this is the point where he just starts going through
various other movies yes yeah we're killing time here the thing about the russian guy getting
thrown into the the sort of man blender is that it's quite a good shot
although not because they've progressed past the point of filming these scenes by like throwing a
dummy at something and filming it but because they've gotten good at filming the dummy so it's
not immediately like they're still using the same techniques they use in Doctor No, but they've just advanced in cinematography.
Yeah.
So Bond, I really wanted Agent XXX back then. I know, I wrote this down.
If only there was a Russian agent that Bond had history with.
Yeah, and this Cold War stuff is always almost good.
So you get this kind of fun thing of sexy Russian agents
and Bond having history and also like
sort of mutually uh betraying each other in a kind of like affable no hard feelings way
they go to like a japanese bathhouse i guess because they have to do some some like weird
non-shit and bond uh like takes the recording the tape recording that she had made of Zarin explaining his plan
a little bit more, and switches it, so when she tries to run out on him, Go-Go comes and
picks her up like her dad, which I really appreciate.
It was really good, yeah.
He's just personally doing it, the head of the fucking KGB.
What's also great is there's- Yeah, he's like, text me when you get
to Kalatin, and I'll come pick you up. There's a shot a shot of gogo in the car waiting for her and that's not fucking gogo and then the next
the next shot it's gogo it's great uh did not bother to change that um yeah so so they they
you know try to double cross him and they're left with the tape of the like uh japanese
spa music entirely japanese at this, we still don't know
what Zorin's on. No fucking idea.
So James goes to
City Hall, San
Francisco to talk to a guy.
Yeah, how did he get the permits to film in there?
Impossible to know. He goes to talk to
a guy about Zorin.
He's pretending to be a
fucking journalist.
A Times reporter called James
Stock, yes
James Stock
yeah man, James Stock's fucking
not sweating
he's this kind of bureaucrat who explains
to him, it's called fracking
bond, and this bureaucrat
just sort of lies to him to his face, he's like
oh yeah of course, what he was doing there, he was
injecting seawater into his oil wells which is a totally normal thing to do uh it's actually safe
it's insanely safe because james goes there to to go like hey did you know that this guy's pumping
seawater into his oil well yeah yeah it's sick and cool whatever exactly the extremely paid off
politician is just like yeah yeah it's
sick luckily bond sees a woman and of course immediately follows he genuinely enters nonce
mode and there's like a fucking musical cue when he starts following her there's like a wide shot
of her going down a staircase with a bunch of other people there, and you see him also join
that crowd of people going down the staircase,
and there is a genuine musical cue
to indicate that
nonce mode has begun. In fairness, this
is the woman whom he saw get the check
from Zoran, but because everybody
in the 80s who wasn't
a lesbian or Grace Jones had this
fucking Farrah Fawcett-ass haircut
that genuinely hard pressed
to tell them apart is the thing most genuinely like damaged hair i think i've seen yeah it's
all feathered and shit and so like the the way that it looks if you're half paying attention
which is the only way to watch any bond movie is bond laser locks in on the nearest woman, follows her out of work, into her car,
follows her home,
like drives two car lengths behind on her commute home,
waits until she gets home,
breaks in by unlocking one of her windows,
and tries to enter her bathroom
while she's taking a shower.
This is Man from the Golden Gun. But she gets the drop on him! This is genuinely my. This is Man from the Golden Gun.
But she gets the drop on him.
This is genuinely my comment from the Man from the Golden Gun again,
which is like, this is his favourite part of doing spy work.
Oh, a woman's in the shower.
Time for me to arrive.
But at this point.
But she fakes him out.
At this point, we're used to that.
She's seen the film Golden Man with the Finger.
And she's seen all of the...
She's listened to this podcast.
So he sees her in the shower,
or he thinks he hears her in the shower.
He activates nonce mode and he goes in.
And then she emerges from behind the door
with a fucking shotgun and is like,
put your hands up.
I've been listening to Kill James Bond.
Get out of my house.
That's the sort of benefits
that listening to Kill James Bond will get you.
That's right. Exactly. that listening to Kill James Bond will get you. That's right.
Exactly.
She tries to call the cops, and she's like, I bet you even cut the phone line too, you
massive English nonce.
And Bond's like, I didn't do that.
I'm just a little boy.
And I'm just a little birthday boy.
I'm just a little birthday boy.
I just wanted
a shower
and so at this point
Zoran's goons storm the
house and Bond just like effortlessly
takes the shotgun
from her pushes her
across the room and shoots a couple
yeah he just goes into full Robert Rodriguez movie
mode just blasting people left and right
with the shotgun and then realizes she's loaded it with rock salt.
So all it does is just kind of annoy them
and give them a couple of scabs.
Yeah, I always wondered about this
when I saw this as a kid,
whether you could actually load a shotgun with salt,
if that would do anything.
You can't just pour it in,
but it's a kind of animation.
You can have shotgun shells loaded with salt
or with, you know, like,
I mean, everything.
The shotguns are weird in that yeah like you said salt
rounds little pepper balls or like
a whole fucking metal slug if you really want
to so yeah
but basically he chases
them off by non-fatally beating their
asses and shooting them with non-fatal rounds
they go
the fight moves downstairs where there
is exactly one thing in the
entire house which is vase. Which is
a vase, an urn, that
kind of thing. I'm genuinely being serious
here, audience. It's a fully empty
Bond's house. Milo walked in, me watching the movie
and was like, oh, I'd love to live in a huge empty house.
And I was just like, yeah.
Well, they do explain this. Yeah, they do explain it.
Because she's like, oh yeah, I don't have any
food or any furniture. And Bond's like,
oh, I'll make you the worst quiche
you've ever seen in your life.
Yeah.
That's like a romantic gesture.
She smashes, throughout the fight,
Bond is trying to avoid
breaking the vase, but she finishes
it off by smashing it on
one of the assailant's heads.
So Bond makes her the worst
quiche you've ever seen in your life.
Yeah, and we miss a trick here severely because bond cooks for her and then we have the shot of the two of
them conversing while they're sat down eating the quiche and like you got to imagine the process of
creating and cooking a quiche is several fucking hours yeah they could have done this entire
conversation while he was cooking and it would have made him a more sympathetic character.
Yeah, they didn't!
You just sit there in silence while I make this horrible quiche.
And she explains that her dad owned an oil company, Sutton Oil, and Zoran tried to buy
them out, by force.
And she tried to fight it through the courts, and in so doing, lost all her money,
all her furniture, all her
clothes and shit,
and finally Zoran was
about to buy her off with this
$5 million check, which is way more
than the shares are worth.
At this point, Abigail turned to me and said,
finding it hard to
feel sympathetic towards the
oil heiress yeah towards the woman who inherited an oil company it's like come on fuck you then
she she tears up the check because like bond has inspired her to well she has a job that's why she
got this job she like got a job on the side at City Hall, to, like, tide her through her oil company.
Owning things isn't a job!
No, no, she was like a geologist, is the thing. I know, she did get a real job.
But she can't just do that, she also has to have an oil company. Whatever.
Anyway. Now, at this point, this is traditionally where Bond would, under false pretenses and using a false name, have sex with this woman.
Unfortunately, he is using a false name.
But he does not
have sex with her.
Your daft
old sweet bastard
falls asleep in a rocking chair.
Genuinely is quite nice.
It's just a thing.
That's quite nice. They're going to ruin it later
by making them have sex
later. But for now,
this is just like,
I realise I'm too old to be having
sex with you.
He goes to check on some things, he reconnects
the phone line and she is asleep in bed
and he goes, well, I'm not going to disturb that.
And he falls asleep,
sat on a chair with the shotgun across his lap,
which is quite nice.
Strong must protect the sweet.
Her name is Stacey, by the way. She is blonde, and she
is American, so therefore two thumbs
way up.
Sorry, you're going to have to
deal with that.
In the morning, there's been a minor
tremor overnight, which possibly
triggered by Zarin's crack.
She fully is just like,
I've got a computer here.
And she's like,
it's a little Apple II on a bedside table.
It's got like no go and everything.
She immediately pulls up the seismic shock,
like seismograph and locates where it is.
And yeah, I was like, damn,
I didn't realize those old computers I saw
in the basically school computer lab junkyard
in the 90s were so powerful.
Bond brings Agent Lee to the house
and he has to go two for two
on getting his accomplices killed.
Genuinely, at this moment, I was thinking...
He does the same move twice.
In a while since we've seen Mayday.
I was genuinely thinking that at the start of the scene.
James Bond, like, killing Timmick was a mistake.
I'm about to make the same mistake twice.
Because he sends him on the same fucking errand of,
all right, go and get help by sitting in the front seat of a car
and don't look at the back seat.
And he gets got.
Like, Grace Jones is not going to successfully hide in the back seat
if you turn your head like 20 degrees
this is
entirely on you man
I wish I could get strength
anyway
yeah I know I'm saying it again
because she does it twice
so James Bond
Stacey tries to like
push for moderate reform within the system
she goes back to work at City Hall talks to her boss Well, no. So Stacey tries to push for moderate reform within the system.
She goes back to work at City Hall, talks to her boss,
and she tries to confront him with the evidence of Zoran's plan,
and he immediately fires her. Zoran is pumping seawater into her wells, and there's a big fault line?
Yeah, he's doing fracking.
In California? I don't know if anyone's aware of this.
He is doing fracking, and he's trying to frack the San Andreas Falls.
And she goes, hey, this could kill
all of us, and he's like,
Yeah, this is Lex Luthor shit
from Superman 1.
Yeah, so he fires her, and they
try to, like, come
back and sneak in,
because, in a classic Bond move,
thanks to all of this intelligence
gathering, he has only overheard one codename.
And since this is sort of a loose remake of Goldfinger, it's like Operation Grand Schlamm.
It's Project Mainstrike.
He's heard the name Project Mainstrike, and so he and Stacey are gonna break back into
City Hall after hours, and they're gonna try and find out what they can about Project
Mainstrike
and they discover that Mainstrike is the name of a
mine. I would personally
have renamed my plan something else
Use a more secure codename
Project Location of
My Plan. Yes. Come on
But they get caught
and we get a genuinely
extremely good pair of scenes
one after the other
I love Zoran's little polycule so much
man they own
he like
Zoran gets them at gunpoint
and he gets
Stacey's old boss to call the cops
and her boss is like
the way that
Zoran gets them a gunpoint
he's not like lurking in the shadows
waiting for them, Bond is like going through the
files with Stacey and then Zoran just
walks in the door with a gun
and is like hey
he just enters the scene like a character
in a sitcom like we were supposed to go
woo
yeah
so he gets Stacey's old boss to the cops, and the guy's like, why?
And Zoran explains to him.
We're sort of led to believe that this is thanks to his superior Nazi brain that he's
able to think of this this quickly, but he's like, well, these two broke in to get revenge
on you for firing them.
And then they shot you uh set fires to the office
to conceal the evidence and then suffocated to death and in the elevator and the guy goes well
i would have to be and zoran just shoots him he's like dead yeah rules he genuinely says
like my secret is improv i do yes and mr bond you're like genuinely it's like just a little bit of improvisation
mr bond yeah meanwhile the two lesbians like splashing canisters full of gasoline around the
office it's it's nice so i want to summarize really quickly because this gets to one of the
most surreal parts of this film which is all right alright, so obviously they have to, they are trapped,
they have to get out of the elevator, Bond finds a way
to climb out, and right before the cables
snap in the heat, he
is able to, it's
Stacy, I'm not stupid, right?
Yeah, Stacy.
He's able to get Stacy out,
basically in the nick of time,
then goes to the roof, climbs down
the elevator elevator everyone cheers
the cops come up to him and talk to him and then basically he reveals he works the british secret
service they don't believe him they're going to arrest him because they found his gun in there
uh when they were searching he then fires a water cannon at them and blows them blasts them away
then steals the fire truck drives through the city of san francisco not to directly interrupt you but
the the method through which they ascertain that it's his gun is fantastic.
They just literally come up to him with a gun
in a fully in-evidence bag
and go, is your gun? And he goes, oh yes, thank you.
He makes a little grab for it.
No, like, okay, you're fully
under arrest.
He blasts the
heavyset police officer
with a water cannon.
Sheriff J.W. Pepper,
San Francisco Police Department.
It could have been!
A char-chase crash police being
dumbasses, Keystone Cop style
scene through the city
of San Francisco, which the best
thing I can describe it is somewhere between
Police Academy and the Blues Brothers
in which Moron genuinely
lasts really long.
And Dianne Feinstein got that
Roger Moore dome so good that she
made the SFPD, who
are busy doing like Zodiac
killer shit at this point,
like made them film
a 20 minute long scene of
looking like assholes, which I appreciate
a lot. I mean, legally, we
probably can't say that Roger Moore made Dianne
Feinstein come like a howler monkey,
but he did do it.
She had a certain kind of calculating
idea here that the more she
distracted the San Francisco police with
this movie, the less likely it was they'd be able to
investigate Harvey Milk's murder.
So she just kept at it.
Made the scene as long as possible.
God, this is like a two-hit punch.
Jesus.
So this is what I was talking about earlier.
What do you know about Harvey Milk?
No, this is what I was talking about earlier,
where Bond is just making detours
through other movies.
Like, he's in the towering inferno,
then he's in the naked gun.
They also, they also,
they have a bit where the fire truck that they're in, because they're in the naked gun. They also have a bit where the fire
truck that they're in, because they're in the
fire truck, jumps over a
raising bridge and they don't even
fucking show it. Yeah, it barely
crosses over, but it's done in such a way
like it's a really quick shot and the remaining
five minutes of that shot is just police
cars sliding on each other and crashing
and then the cops getting in trouble. The guy's like,
you're going to lose your promotion and pay for this car out of your
fucking pocket and then like uh
and then another car gets crushed um
yeah the count away
it's not even that important like basically he gets away
from city hall by doing this
and then if i remember correctly
the next scene is them back they drive
the fire truck to this line
like across yeah so at this point
at the end of the fire truck to this mine like across the state so at this point at the end of the fire truck scene
for background
I watched this with
my friend, my dear friend Abigail Thorne
just before I had to get
the train back home from London
and at this point I was like
where is the fucking Bond movie
I need to finish this so I can
go home, my train is in an hour
like I was genuinely quite honest so I can go home my train is in an hour I was genuinely quite
and so they get to the mine
and
in briefest summary
they sneak in they basically pull some shenanigans
there is
there are two things I want to pull out in getting into the mine
thing one
he has Stacy with him
she's still wearing high heels
and a guy notices
and Bond's line
doing a weird sort of American accent
is, it's women's lib
they're taking over the Teamsters
okay, quite good, I don't know
but also, the other thing
I want to pull out, and we'll come back to this later
is
you'll see why I come back to it
as they come in uh bond isn't wearing
a hard hat and a goon pulls them up on this and he's like hey stop and you think that they've been
they've been made he like hands bond a hard hat and it's like you gotta wear this it's a it's a
mind there's you know yeah union regs man yeah exactly i appreciate the fact that we have OSHA for villains I think that
that at least lets me
know that the world James Bond
inhabits is kind of
coterminous with the modern world
and so basically
they get into the mine
sneaking in subterfuge they're able to determine
that
in the plans control
room shed that nobody is in they're able to sneak that in the plan's control room shed that nobody is in,
they're able to sneak in and find everything revealed, which they just conveniently lock a latch,
that they identify the location of all of Zoran's mines, oil fields, etc.,
and quickly identify that basically if he is able to flood them all
and then detonate this this device that he's
having planted at this moment in the san andreas fault it is going to basically shift the fault
and it's going to flood the entirety of uh silicon valley and the san francisco bay area with uh with
ocean water so he's he's putting a giant like detonator into a cavern filled with bags of anfo
which is great. In destroying
Silicon Valley that will allow
him to capture a large share of
the microchipped markets just to
bring us back to the plot of the movie.
Because it will be attributed to
natural causes.
And they say that very straight to the camera.
And in order to make sure that
nobody is the wiser he then initiates yeah and they say that very straight to the camera in order to make sure that nobody
is the wiser
he then initiates
a super villain Nazi brain plan
which is kill everyone involved
besides Nazi doctor and his
airship pilot
ripping through this plot I have several
points I want to pull up the first one is
they put on a Zoran Industries coverall
which I need
one of those bomber jackets with the cool z on the back nice um there is also a moment
where as they leave the secret plans shed like zorin zorin notices that they're in there because
they're like someone's locked for drawing the plans shed we should check out what's going on
in that why do we even have this and it's like the two of them and they leave
and he just shoots out the window for a bit
until he runs out of bullets at which point he looks
at Meze with such a fuck on
then
he does a great like get him
like it's like go on
then
he's like Jesus Christ you know what are you guys
fucking doing at this point I have written down fuck
I wish I could get hunted through a mine by lesbians.
Yeah, no, fully, fully
accursed. Fuck, I wish Grace Jones
would tear my clothes off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Flaming through a mineshaft, Stacy
gets dragged down by Grace Jones, who basically
rips her dress off, and it's just like...
Yeah, it rules. Meanwhile,
meanwhile, as you say, Zoran has activated kill everyone mode.
And so he gets, uh, who has like planted some explosives next to the miners.
Um, and one of the, the, the miners form is like, but Mr. Zoran, those men are still in
there and they're, they're loyal to you.
And Zoran kicks him off of a small rise and then
grabs an Uzi because again
pimp and just
starts killing everyone
just fully lays
complete waste
at this point he is wearing
it's a black day for the guys on Hench
they've gone through a lot, they were in Dr. No's
radioactive room, they were in Goldfinger's
Asian factory, they went to space
with the himbos and now they're being shot by christopher zoran is at this point wearing a
double-breasted blue suit jacket uh white pants and white boat shoes and just spraying everybody
with an uzi and scuppy's there as well helping out of course it's great it's great uh and then
we see his sort of like orgiastic thing of violence and then he just like kind of like switches back to normal
a point that we should make immediately
he also like sets off the initial
blast where it doesn't set off
the explosives on the San Andreas fault
but it does flood the entire thing with
seawater which just
effortlessly kills the two lesbians
they barely even
die on screen
but Grace Jones sees them and sees what's happening
and then immediately has a change of heart and decides
to work with Bond.
Grace Jones is like, well, fuck
this! Come on!
Zoran's escape plan at this point
is to use a blimp
concealed within a
porter cabin. This man has not
one, but two dirigibles.
Second dirigible, yes. He inflates this blimp.
Farrah Fawcett,
Stacey Sutton, whatever, gets out.
And Grace Jones
and Bond have to disarm
this bomb, which requires them
using the crane to
lift it off of the
sacks of fertilizer.
So effectively...
Bring me to my favorite joke.
My favorite current fact, which is that there are
25 blimps in the
world right now.
Oh, that's depressing.
Do you know what there's not any of?
Grace Jones' lesbian
Bowflex. Because, my
God, this whole scene of her
just fucking joking shit
and just...
Basically, they're able to this whole scene of her just fucking just yoking shit and just just like, basically
they're able to
extricate
the big detonator device
and put it onto a rail car
basically with her upper body strength
alone. That she just
winches this shit over and over again.
And obviously Roger Moore's not gonna, I mean,
that's just sort of implied he's not strong enough
to do it. He's like oh I'm an old man
yeah it's made extremely
clear it's explicit
yeah but she has to ride
on the minecart with the detonator on
because she has to hold the brake off
the handbrake is on
you gotta kill some women
in this movie she rides on it
and Roger Moore is like Mayday no
get off that and she's like i've got
to do this and at this point i turned to the show abigail fawn and i said i would like to
what abby where did you get i'd like to put forward that i am nominating mayday for a double award
of both the cronstein ros Rosette and the Goodnight Cross.
I have some thoughts on this, but
Mayday is
exploded. Bond escapes
the mine.
Yeah, the rest of the Bond movie happens.
Yeah, the other
lady, Farrah Fawcett, like,
crests a hill, and is like,
James, and I have written down here in my notes,
sick of this Farrah Fawcett-looking lady,
how the fuck do you get ambushed by a blimp?
Yeah, genuinely, like, a blimp fucking hunts this woman down.
Like, it's shot so well.
He sneaks up on her in a blimp.
It's shot so well, because she, like, crests the hill outside the mine,
and then the blimp also crests the hill.
And you're like, lady, there's a fucking
entire blimp behind you.
Yes.
And on the blimp is Zoran...
Fuck, what's his name?
Scarpine.
Scarpine and the Nazi doctor.
They're all in that blimp together.
And they're hanging out and just toasting champagne.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So she gets kidnapped by a blimp, Bond jumps onto one of the mooring ropes, and then we
have essentially the end- Roger Moore in Rope.
We get the end of Octopussy, if you remember that, where Bond is on the outside
of an aircraft, and there's a woman who's been kidnapped on the inside of an aircraft, and they're trying to
throw him off the aircraft.
Same deal. Exact same deal. Except
they ram the blimp into the
Golden Gate Bridge, and
Zoran tries to
kill Bond with a fire axe,
is thrown to his
death. He laughs!
He gets stuck on the edge of it, and he's like,
I'm the damn Joker, which is funny for me, actually. me actually he's like laughing to himself like ah there's no way it's like this is
not gonna kill me you can't kill me like that i can't go out i've got a nazi super brain
and then he falls and dies watch watch the uh fanboys the music video for Weapon of Choice.
Yeah. Or Christopher Walken content.
Yeah.
I mean, I've written here the entire final scene
is fucking cinema, because
it's just James Bond on the
Golden Gate.
Blimp explosion. The Nazi
explodes the blimp. The Nazi scientist,
Nazi Q, is like,
oh no, my son that i created through nazi
experiments has fucking fallen off the bridge and died what should i do in this scenario get a
fucking bundle of ds from the safe of dynamite that we keep on this blimp
the dynamite humidor he picks it up
and he just like falls over
and him and Scarpina are like get the fucking
dynamite out and it just doesn't
both of them are just like it's genuinely like
a too many cooks situation they're both just
trying to snatch it off each other
and then it explodes and it kills them both and I'm like
cool fantastic bitch mate
at this point I got distracted and started writing
things down about how it's interesting how like the foreign of the villain is always intelligence, and that Bond is positioned
inherently against intelligence, and then the movie ends.
Because, um...
That sounds like some serious analysis.
Bond does, however.
I don't wanna do that.
Bond does receive the Order of Lenin.
Yeah, he fucking does!
The first non-Soviet citizen to receive the Order of Lenin, Gogol- they let Gogol into
M's office for this!
Gogol straight up awards the Order of Lenin to Roger Mose Bond as a bit.
Yes.
He does it entirely so that he can fucking deliver a line.
Yes, because they're like- M is like, I would have thought you would have appreciated
the destruction of Silicon Valley.
And Gogol goes, where would Russian research be without it?
He did that just to set up that line!
He genuinely gave the first non-Soviet order of London so that he could do a line.
I love Go-Go so much, man.
Beautiful.
He's so good.
Of course Bond now has to be having sex, and he has to be having sex with Stacey.
Whatever.
Q drives the little fucking Sony AIBO spy dog into her house in order to confirm
this, and he sees them in the shower, and the very last thing that Roger Moore does
as James Bond, the last line, if you like, that he has, I have as a drop entitled weird noise
thank you
thank you I'm so glad
you noticed it because I was gonna say that
last thing
he does in the role is
they're in the shower they're fucking
and he goes
yes yes
I heard that too
I was just like,
is that the homophobic noise?
Like, genuinely.
She's like,
James!
He's like,
bro!
Like I said,
it seemed like an aftertouch voiceover thing
just so you knew that, like,
he's there too,
but he's also on camera,
so you don't really need that.
No.
He genuinely sounds like a carry-on character, it's so good.
Anyway, he's gone.
The funniest part about this is that it cuts immediately from directly into Duran Duran.
Like, the next sound you hear...
That fatal kiss is all we need.
...is the synths from Dues to a Kill
and that is the fucking movie.
That is Roger Moore's tenure
as James Bond
served.
RIP to a real one.
Genuinely pouring one out for our boy Roger Moore.
Gone too soon.
So, genuinely something I didn't bring up
because where do you talk about a leitmotif
in the process of a Kill James Bond
episode but there's consistently
the sort of tune
of the View to a Kill Duran Duran
song played in like
sensitive bits it's like
quite a sensual scene and it's just like
it's good I've really liked the way
that the music in this movie is self-referential
I did notice that there's sort of like a flute version of View to a Kill being played it's good I really like the way that the music in this movie is self-referential
there's sort of like a flute version of You Do A Kill
being played
it's genuinely quite cute
kind of played as a refrain throughout it
this movie
it's kind of insubstantial
on the one hand
we crashed Goldfinger and
Moonraker together
and this is the result
ultimately it is the Bond kaleidoscope.
I think the first hour is great.
Christopher Walken does a fantastic job in this,
is the other thing.
Genuinely, you could pull about half an hour to 45 minutes
out of this movie,
and it would be not only a better film,
but it would flow better,
it would be fun,
like, it would be a good movie.
We don't have to rely on subjective judgments on this podcast.
You're right.
No, we don't.
Because we have an objective, science-based categorization system.
It's been proven to be scientific.
Like Max Zorin, we are on the computer.
And on the computer, we have developed a four-point rating scale.
We call the SCUMM scale.
Four, SMUM, cultural insensitivity, unprovoked violence, and misogyny.
And these scales go to seven unless we want them to be higher.
Yes, yes.
They're all being projected onto our eyes now as we're typing.
Numbers are coming up.
We're all with 16 16 bits versions of our heads
are rotating around
I want to be clear here
I genuinely think this movie is going to be
extremely low on all of these
yeah yeah I'm worried
so what do we think in terms of smog
it's pretty low mostly because he's too old
to be smog
he makes a couple of one liners and stuff like that
but like it's
basing it off what you guys have
all talked about on the clips you've
pulled in previous episodes, it doesn't seem
anywhere near as bad. No, it
really, it doesn't stand up to early
Roger Moore at all. It's not even really a Bond movie
is the thing. It doesn't
like, it doesn't feel like a sort of
meaningful addition to the
franchise, so it's like
Him and Zoran are about equal for slump. Honestly, it's like him and zarin are about equal
honestly it's more of a zarin movie yeah it really is i i heard that this film actually
wasn't super well received at the time because christopher walken was just kind of came across
as a psycho and you know shooting up people and stuff but it's weird because i think he i think
that's yeah but it's weird like i think people wanted more camp than that and and as such like
it just i don't think it was that well received and it's funny to me because i think more actually kind of pulls it off because he's obviously so old
like okay the stunts notwithstanding there's a certain kind of like almost elder statesman vibe
because like he can't be the super physical like super sexy guy like he's just he's sort of trading
on the like accent and spy powers to get into bed with women. That's kind of the way that Bond movies
are oriented. Like you said, as soon as he walks in,
no matter what his age, he's the sexiest
age a man can be. That's just
the logic of the universe.
I didn't find it that smarmy.
The one-liners,
that's kind of par for the course, but
I didn't groan.
I could go really low.
I didn't groan anywhere near as much as I thought I would.
Genuinely, I would go extremely low on this one.
And the thing about...
Cultural insensivity?
There's basically nothing.
There's a couple of lines regarding Mayday
where it's not even Bond who says it,
where it's sort of implied like,
wow, she's freakishly strong.
It must be because she's black.
That kind of a thing.
But it genuinely like...
You'd have to read that into it. It's it's a far cry from like the explicit stuff of even just
like two movies yeah oh i would also say too that there's an extent to which she is a character
it feels like it's less look at this freak and it's more just sort of like look at grace jones
the fact that she's grace jones like in a way they're like the script almost has a certain gravitas for her character that it probably wouldn't afford if she fact that she's Grace Jones in a way, the script almost has a certain gravitas
for her character that it probably
wouldn't afford if she was just a
random henchman. You know what I mean?
I will say there's a little bit of
what was the
it was Pan Ho is the name
of the other lesbian henchwoman.
Why is she always in
what looks like... She's always wearing a
chongsam or a kimono that's a
little a little like i said but that's that's even like kind of minor gripes all things considered
like my minor thing is like at zorin's party they they try and do the thing of like oh this is like
rich and powerful people from all over the world so that like that you know there's a there's a guy
in like arab robes there's like and it's like kind of like welles. And it's kind of like,
well, they're trying in this sort of media-y sort of way.
It's diverse.
We put a black person in this.
And it's like...
There's a couple of Chinese people in there too.
Yeah, I was going to say the CIA agent,
Agent Li.
That wasn't what I meant.
I meant there's a couple of Chinese people in it.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
He is at least a character, like, there's...
I mean, he is at least a character,
even if he's, like, so disposed of as a character
that he doesn't even get an on-screen death.
But I didn't find it to be...
I mean, and maybe also because of the fact
that the places where this film takes place
are a little bit of an interlude in Russia,
England, France, and America,
as opposed to jetting off to some exotic...
The one that goes to like
the Caribbean and treats everybody like a satrap
Did Dianne Feinstein
save this movie from being a racist?
That's a hell of a fucking
theory to put forward
I would say ask her but she absolutely does not remember
Do you remember
View to a Kill Dianne and she's like
I'm gonna confirm got some
incredible dick from roger moore cultural insensitivity i could go like one here i think
yeah the one unprovoked violence he doesn't even like really it's on the part of bond only right
it's on the part of bond only right because obviously like like zorin killing all of his henchmen is pretty high up there but like that's the zorin that's not bond yeah i don't think bond
even like kills him he like shoots yeah it's like unprovoked violence that the movie condones
really i guess is the vibe i mean i would say i would give it a two and not a one if the debate
was giving it a one because like I think that the extent to which
the sort of dispatch all my henchmen scene
is kind of, to my eyes, kind of an aberration
for this phase of Bond films.
It's certainly one of the more violent things
to happen in a film.
But in terms of what Bond himself does,
like you said, if he kills anybody,
it's happenstance.
He shoots all the guys with a rock salt gun
and they're just like, oh, my leg.
It's not they live yeah
exactly more friendly guys
get killed than
the rock salt gun and turn into
Michael
oh my leg
you don't have to be shot with a rock
salt gun you can layer
suck you off back to hell
yeah I could go two for this, I think.
Unless there's something I'm badly, badly missing.
I'm really worried now.
I'm getting really worried.
I'm starting to become genuinely quite threatened by this.
Misogyny.
I do want to give it some points because of the absolute smashing the pussy clock record.
You gotta, like, your punishment
for being an evil woman is death
even if you, like, repent.
You kill a couple of lesbians just, like, off
screen. Like, that's pretty
bad, I think. Sneaking into a woman's bedroom
to do non-shit. The comment about
the comment about women's lib.
Michael York.
Women's lib. So I think
in this case, the lowest I would go is a three,
but I could accept higher.
I could go four.
Just because, yeah, I think the way that they kill off Jenny Flex and Panho,
I think that's a four for me.
I listen to women, so I'm out of this.
No, I don't think it's as high as Diamonds Are Forever,
which was a four, or On Her Majesty's Secret Service,
which is also a four.
I think it's got high as diamonds are forever which was a four or on her majesty's secret service which is also four i think it's got to be like max three you argue me down but only because i remember the like girl noises from on her majesty's although to be fair there are some girl noises in
this like when they're escaping the the the planning lodge uh and the planning shack and
it's sort of like don't be caught she goes out the window she just goes like going out the window
and she's sort of like well yeah because girls got to make noise when they're scared right like that's how
it works so yeah yeah i think i could take a three yeah i'll concede a three here which is
gonna make this frightening isn't that like a six then total oh my god dude the score is
007 cut our mics cut all of our mics
close the episode
this is the lost
Kill James Bond episode
this will never go to print
which makes this
the best
one
no
no it isn't
by one point
it is
George
it's one point
better than
George Lazenby
it's
it's one point better than For Your Eyes Only which was point better than George Lazenby. It's one point
better than For Your Eyes Only, which
was like the tie to Lazenby.
This is the best
Bond film we have seen so far.
Here's my argument, Dan. I think that we have
unnecessarily tilted the
scale towards Sean Connery.
When we were choosing what we
were going to measure, it was
much more 60s.
We're going to need some baseball nerds
to do adjusted scum values for over time.
The science-based system is the science-based system.
And science evolves, but...
We have to account for inflation towards 2021 levels of scum.
We're basically going to become the Bob McNamara of Bond movies
where we're just arguing that actually the numbers are right.
I'm immediately becoming a
view to a kill scum spectrum
truther. No fucking way.
I support
this. I support this. I think
I had a lot of fun with this film. I think it is about 20
minutes too long and it could have been cut and a meanders.
But genuinely, I think the first hour
is like brilliant. No, I did actually really like this movie.
Which brings us to our second thing
that we do which is
I've put forward that I want Mayday
to receive both the Good Night Cross and the
Constantine Rosette I understand there to be
some disagreement regarding this
my disagreement is solely
on
the Constantine Rosette because I would
submit that the guy who goes above
and beyond the call of juicy the guy who like
You say I'm gonna go apeshit. It's not scuffing. It's a guy at the mine who makes bond wear a heart
I am right. It's the hard hat guy
Doesn't even get a name
How is that going to possibly be put
Into our scripts
How does that fit on the wikipedia page
Hard hat guy
Fine
Give him one
Fine
Yeah to be fair.
All right, goodnight cross.
He goes above and beyond the quality.
Fine, fine.
Cronstein Rosette to hard hat guy.
Thank you.
No, why can't he have the goodnight cross?
Because he's not a good guy.
He's a henchman.
He is evil.
He services to villainy, but safe villainy.
Yeah, he's, no, okay, fine.
Fine.
Goodnight cross, then.
Who on the side of, it's gotta be, it's Gogol. It's Gogol, right?... No, okay, fine. Fine. Good Night Cross, then. Who on the side of...
It's gotta be...
It's Gogol.
It's Gogol, right?
The first...
The first...
Underappreciated good characters.
The first Soviet citizen to be awarded the Order of...
I don't think he's underappreciated.
I would say, if you're gonna argue for someone who isn't Mayday, and it doesn't make sense
to give her the good night in absentia of the Gromstein...
Sure.
I would say Godfrey Tibbert.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's gotta be Godfrey tibbet it is it's got you know r.i.p i was actually genuinely sad when he died because he like
he took a lot of shit from bond and also like did some investigating on his own and he there's a
great bit where as we sort of mentioned this earlier he has to go past three horse stalls
to infiltrate a thing and he pets each and every one of those horses
as he goes past.
That's good Mike Cross material.
Fair enough.
So what are we doing next time,
Alice? The era of Roger Moore is over,
and the era of Timothy Dalton
begins.
And so, well, first of all, we have
to do our next Q&A,
which we do to close out individual bonds.
But after that, we don't.
Well, we're not closing out individual bonds.
It has worked out quite well, but we do it every fifth.
We're accidentally closing out individual bonds.
Three for three.
What looms over us is Timothy Dalton, The Living Daylights.
This film is dedicated to the
Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
now my understanding is that there's been
nothing significant in the news regarding them
so let's just
yeah
yeah let's
I've been reading this big book of American history
of the 20th century and I've only gotten up
to like the late 70s
so as I understand it the Taliban are the goodth century and I've only gotten up to like the late 70s so as I understand it
the Taliban are the good guys and they're on our side
Am I supposed to support them?
Anti-Soviet warrior pushes army on the road to peace
absolutely
but also
where can the people find you?
I produce this show
I produce Trash Future
Hell of a Way to Die
Lion Slipped by Donkeys
and maybe more projects down the line.
Who even knows?
But if you want to hear me talk about the military and veteran stuff from a leftist perspective, then you listen to Hell of a Way to Die.
And if you like podcasts about what happens if you come in space, listen to Trash Future.
And if you want to hear my friend Joe Kasabian talk about military defeats and blunders from what you might describe as a left-wing anarchist
perspective than listen to Lions Led by Donkeys.
Emphatically not led by donkeys,
the British centrist organization,
although people constantly at him on Twitter thinking that
that's what it is. And then
yeah, everything else, just
follow him on Twitter.
I'm just a guy. I'm just a random
guy. I'm just a small boy. I'm a birthday boy.
He's just a birthday boy. I'm just a small boy. I'm a birthday boy. He's
just a birthday boy. You should follow
Nate on Twitter because Nate
is one of the most devastating
Twitter samurais there is.
Like, do not cross Nate
on Twitter because he will fucking
annihilate you. That's such a beautiful way of saying it.
Thank you. You're very kind. I was going to ask that since
I've been looking forward to this for a while, if we could close
out this episode on one
of my favorite bits, which is
can we just do
the birthday boy bit and close it
out as in
I'm just a little boy.
You would take it from me.
I'm a boy.
I'm a small boy.
I'm just watching.
You wouldn't take it like a birthday boy. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. thank you thank you
i'm still furious about that scum spectrum score but um there you go I suppose we see him out at the best of times
thank you for listening to another episode of Kill James Bond
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