Upstream - S2E11.5: KJB Q&A 7

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

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Hello and welcome to a bonus episode of Kill James Bond. It's time for another Q&A. No, no, we're not doing that we're not imitating a worse podcast yeah they can imitate us standard universe um i'm not doing my sexy voice on the pod it would destroy the listeners fragile ears that's true that is true it's it's it's time for another q and a you have q, and occasionally we'll A them. That's right. It's Q&A number seven. Good lord.

We've A'd another Q. We've A'd a lot of Qs. Yeah, one Q per episode. That's right. That's right. But it's been a while since anyone's Q'd us, and so, you know, now it's time for us to do it again. So, Dev, I believe you have the big master list of questions. Yes.

I commend this episode into your hands. Oh, no. Alice and I are ready to face the panel of inquiry. That's right. What do you think about when you jack off? 9-11. 9-11? 9-11. So...11? 9-11.

So... Tee him, lesbians. So, it's time to cue some fucking A's. Let's start off with a nice, easy one here. It has been a hot second since we last did this. So, Bronze Thumb asks, How are you? How's it going? You up to much? um yeah pretty good actually

i got very into film photography since the last q a and then i as my problem with all of my hobbies i immediately got dev into film photography yeah um so abby you are next if you want to get an east german or soviet film camera and a bunch of 35mm film. No, photography is for nerds. I have been very clear in this stance. I belong in front of the camera, not behind it. That is true. Yeah, it is

deeply funny to me when you're talking about the East German stuff because the quote, I believe, you said directly where you were like, yeah, the GDR and the pre-GDR have some really good cameras. Like, yeah, yeah, the pre-GDR, the period of German history.

Just before. Yeah, the pre-GDR. What's also really funny is that I mentioned this hobby of mine on Twitter and someone I wish I could remember who said, oh, yeah, that's a great idea. The Soviet Union made amazing lenses. They did also make cameras.

That's my understanding. I really admire the GDR and the USSR's policy of having one prestige industry, and that industry being optics. There's one thing, there's one factory that still works and it makes the camera lenses and they still

work today i'm still using them went out and took some photos on the way to my vaccination appointment found out my vaccination appointment was cancelled because the nhs is falling apart still got some photos out of it shot two two rolls. Beautiful. Gorgeous. Two rolls. Abby, how are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm working on a number of projects that I can't really talk about publicly, mainly because they involve killing named individuals. No, I'm working on some TV stuff that I can't talk about, but it's very exciting.

But the nature of the acting industry is that it's all like, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, maybe we'll do this. Maybe we'll do that. And like, you know, 5% of it ever happens. So on the one hand,

I'm very excited, but I also know I need to be realistic. And I have a meeting tomorrow, which will potentially be like quite a big deal. Cause I need to meet with the people who financed my play. By the way, listeners, that's kind of a big thing that happened in my life is I,

is I put on a play in London and I won an Off West End Award. I'm an award winning playwright. I won an Offie. Congratulations. Which is fucking insane. For your debut play to like sell out and get standing ovations and win an Offie. It's ridiculous. So I'm still kind of enjoying that and trying to like turn that into like the next thing.

Also the next episode of Philosophy Tube films in like four days we're going to be filming over two days it's a double length episode about the NHS which is going to be like very rewarding and I think very exciting and cool but also like emotionally very big because it's going to be more personal than

episodes usually like to be I think by the time this podcast comes out it may already be out or just about to come out but like yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot hell yeah oh i also forgot i have a i haven't a secret project myself which is something connected to well there's a problem that you will not probably hear about for oh yeah i know there's fucking rules if it comes off if it comes off it may well not however if it does Watch this space in a years time Stay tuned

Watch this space but like you can like Watch other things as well You don't have to hold your attention for that long Just you know keep a Maybe set a reminder in your phone For like a years time To be like check in with Alice See what happens

Feel free to touch that dial whatever just come back at some point in in q and a 14 i i you know i'm fully prepared to answer what the thing is wonderful uh i actually haven't really been up to it to a great deal um i've just sort of been shooting about the place. Throughout summer I trekked all over the UK and had a lovely time. Seen the whole thing now. Sort of done with it. Family holiday

in the Lake District. I came up to Edinburgh for the Fringe briefly. I was over in Aberystwyth. I keep going back and forth to Cardiff for specific reasons Nice Nice

Hell yeah Erin Atlas asks, Abby do you feel more prepared to face the chimp now that you've had some sword practice? Yes I do actually so listeners this is a reference to the fact that well the chimp who that you've had some sword practice yes i do actually i am so listeners this is a

reference to the fact that um well the chimp who stalks us always but also um the fact that during my play i had to do a whole bunch of sword fighting yeah i did i am i my forearms and my thighs and my ass are more muscular now than they were when we started i'm sure that'll fade in time but like i had to have three or four sword fights in every show and um you know obviously rehearse it a lot too so at the start of the rehearsal period i was like oh god this big steel sword is so heavy and by the end i was like waving around with one hand so yeah i've definitely like um gotten a little bit stronger i do feel more ready to face the chimp though i think like the chimp counts on us being arrogant um and like hubris hubris has been the downfall of many of a

mighty warrior so i'm i'm not gonna i So I'm not going to count myself totally safe, but I'm more prepared than I was. The real enemy isn't the chimp. The real enemy is complacency. That's right. But also, crucially, the chimp. The chimp is very much your enemy. Oh, real.

Real and your enemy. But the complacency is, I think, the biggest thing. David S. I've got a couple of questions that are somewhat like this, so I might... Yeah, actually, I'll go with HJ's question first. Now that you've been doing this a while, are there any movies that you covered earlier that you'd like to go back and do again,

either because we think we maybe skipped over it, or... Yeah, the one that we just recorded where I lost an argument over the entire length of the episode. I'd quite like a do-over on that one, to just go back and... No, it was not our thing! No, it was about 9-11. Listen, I don't think that's a very sort of a healthy question for me, because the second I shut off every recording of this, i always have a great deal of fun while i'm doing it the second i hit uh stop and i hang up the call i just go ah

i am earth's worst podcaster everything like everything that i did and also everything that i didn't do in the course of the last hour has been wrong um and anyone in the world could have done a better job than me so my answer is pretty much all of them like i'm i'm happy with some of them that people have liked in the sense that they've gotten acclaim i always think you two do an amazing job but in terms of like rating my own work um i i i don't really um there was there was one episode that we were gonna do at one point and we had a guest lined up but the guest had to drop out after all three of us had watched the film so it was like a trail it was an aborted episode that we never got to make and i do wish that we that we had made that

we will have to make it at some point um but yeah i i want to do that the forbidden the forbidden episode the last episode the last episode that is true that is true um i was i would happily do dr no again at some point either as like a special or as a live show to just like do dr no again um because we kept it to like a tight hour and we we should not have done we could we could have gone so long yeah i was back in the days when we were trying to make okay the podcast has to be an hour long like yes yeah i was trying to be more more sort of disciplined more riley mode about it and you know i'm i'm glad to have lost the habit in that sense yeah now we've sort of found our own our own voice our own little niche it could be nice to go back and yeah yeah well i mean you

may recall it i'm sure i've mentioned this before that my my original sort of semi-joking plan when we ran out of bonds was to just do them over again without re-watching the same notes that is unbelievably funny as an idea and the thing is the longer the longer we wait the funnier it gets yeah yeah because if we go back to dr no with the only thing that we remember of it as a set of notes we made two years ago or something, that's gonna be hysterical. Yeah, I would have to dig out my old notebook. I've thrown it away, I couldn't be going in blind!

I don't have my old notebook, I've got rid of it! You'll sit down on the stage and go, ah, fuck. Tell me, does the toppling of American missiles really make up for having no hands? Somebody needs to have the correct answers. No. Yeah, one of us, actually, one of us... Yeah, the fourth person should be Nate, who has the, yeah.

He's like, that is not what happened. Yeah. He's got a big buzzer that's like the extremely loud, incorrect noise. Yeah. It's like a big buzzer that's like the extremely loud incorrect noise every time we fuck up it's like a charity thing every time we get it wrong we have to give more but yeah I think

I wouldn't mind going back and doing some of the early ones again if I could I would go back and like finish voice training and then start the podcast but it's not that's just a vanity thing more than anything that's that's reasonable a similar question from David S who says, if you were to redo the earlier episodes, what drops from later episodes do you think would get the most use?

Which I quite like. That's a good question. The drops are such a collection that we've got over time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've really built them up over time. There's a bunch of places in which I could have used any of the, like, my wife ones, right? Like, particularly the bit in fucking From Russia With Love, where Vavra just adopts James Bond, like you are now his son. Oh, nice. I remember that.

Yeah, fuck, I do remember that yeah fuck I do remember that um is that a character name from Russia yeah Vavra what because I have all of the drops right here and I

yeah thanks you for saving his life you are now his son what a classic what a classic lad Labrador, thanks for saving his life. You are now his son. What a classic. What a classic lad. We could 100% have used the Diamonds Are Forever. Well, you know what I'm going to say.

We could have used El Mr. Bond. El Mr. Bond is so awesome. I think the Elliot Carver kung fu noises could have come in a couple times too. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I love eye drops, man. They're're so good they really do make the podcast will you commit to this program yes yes seems you've passed what's curious is that like there's some of them where the drops just fully did not work uh because i i fucked up the levels you may remember casino roy where the drops just fully did not work, because I fucked up the levels. You may remember Casino Royale, the drops are like... because everyone's really so fucking quiet in that movie, the drops in Casino Royale are almost useless.

I have one of Eva Green saying, perfectly formed arse, that sounds like this. Perfectly formed arse. What? So quiet. Whispering. What? Whispering. Huh? Huh? Fair enough. Rob Way asks,

do you miss having the 25 plus episode roadmap that you had with the Bond movies? No. Listen, I enjoy hanging out with my friends and I like having a bit of structure structure i have loose plans for sort of arcs that i want to take the podcast on i think i've i've talked before about my plans at some point to do something that i like to call robbery season um that i'm very much looking forward to right now we've got a whole other series set up we've got and the thing about movies is they keep

fucking making series of them so after the man from uncle we've got mission impossible we've got indiana jones we've got any number of things that we can really dig into and the thing about bond is what we did the fucking job you know mission accomplished he's dead so so you like about it he is fucking dead um so i i don't feel anything like oh god when are they going to do the next one? If anything, I'm a bit more apprehensive about that. Although we will get to claim back the tickets to go and see it as a business expense, so that'll be good.

I like having a series because it allows us to develop running jokes across the course of the series, like Jason Bourne being raised by a fisherman and will you commit to this program? The fisherman joke had the least payoff for a bit that i started out expecting i really wanted it to come back didn't do anything fish related and we were watching the whole time this is a lot of percent there's a little bit of like hashtag bts whenever we watch these movies we're looking out for

potential bits let me tell you that that stood out as a potential bit very strongly the fact that he was raised by french italian fishermen and he just doesn't fucking pick it up yeah other than the bit where he swims away at the end of the third one and we got in a joke that he returns to the sea but like yeah jason spawn jason but yeah like the the i think the best recurring bit from the jason bourne series was just the fucking theme music because they keep that's what i was thinking it's perfect i so good i have a i have a personal favorite from the bourne franchises which is

give me some eyeballs on the street give me eyeballs on the street that's my favorite although I think we discount oh the bin man we discount oh the bin man I was in the flat with Mrs. X last week friend of the show Mrs. X

when the bin lorry went past and we both just went oh the bin man we've also had american as well like come to the uk and see a bin lorry and point at it like leo dicaprio just like oh my god it's the bins we've we've also we've also of course had a lot of use for hack tap bypass and of course cia clowns c Clowns I think the Bourne franchise served us quite well coming off of Bond as a way to prove to ourselves that we could

pick it up with a new franchise and just do quite well with it I was very happy with the Bourne ones I'm happy with the Jack Ryan ones, I really enjoyed Yeah, I enjoyed it too Miss Harrison Thorne a lot though I do, I do I do he was the best one of them

actually I prefer Alec Baldwin I think it never really reached the heights of Hunt for Red October I think my I think my favourite Jack Ryan one

we did was I think it probably tied Air Force One and what was the Clear and Present Danger the drugs one

oh my god the Clear and Present Danger was a really good episode I really liked that one. I think we all just did a great job. So, Hoob, this is something that we've done previously, but Hoob

asks, maybe a bit basic, could we get retroactive endowments of the newly minted awards, which are, of course, the Brian Cox Memorial for Intelligence and the Oldman Medal of Unrefuted Villainy. Oh, yes! So there's only been one of those so far that went to Gary Oldman.

Well, there's a bunch of Bond villains who deserve the Oldman Medal, right? Because every so often they'll just be like, oh, that's actually a pretty good point. I mean, I think... be like oh that's actually a pretty good point um i mean i think i want to say hugo drax actually should get the the gary oldman uh excuse me the the brian cox memorial award in intelligence because he basically tells bond his entire plan that's like day one yes true yeah yeah i i perversely i would award the um the i would award it to bond a couple of times particularly in tomorrow never dies where he goes to elliot carver's party and goes my name is james

bond i'm a british agent he's constantly winning the fucking brian cox or year on year he's the recurring champ i would give the unrefuted villainy to Chaka from Salem who is correct about taking revenge. It's fine. It's fine. I'll be all wrong, but that's fine. Revenge is a river. Do I have any?

Yeah, and I have a boat. They were in a boat at the end. Yeah. Didn't go well for them. Very well. Very well. Okay, sure. Alright, hypothetically, didn't go well for him very well very well hypothetically the Kill James Bond movie

gets greenlit it's called Casino Royale 1967 now the time of my day that I prefer for Debussy who are we getting in? director, script writer, main cast I don't want to play myself it's a movie about us not a film Who are we getting in? Director, scriptwriter, main cast? I don't want to play myself. I think it'd be funny to have someone else play me.

Oh, it's a movie about us, not a film about... Well, I mean, I suppose we get creative control over it. So basically, who do you want to play yourself and your co-hosts? Who do you want to direct? Okay, interesting.

That's... Oh, fuck. That's a really difficult question. I'm trying to think what the plot for the KJV movie would be. I think it'd be funny if it was about us, interesting. That's, ooh, fuck, that's a really difficult question. I'm trying to think what the plot for the KJV movie I think would be funny if it was about, like, us specifically. Yes, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. You're going to have to cuss out about a minute and a half

and be going like, oh. Eddie Redmayne? Let's give him another shot at it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, give him a go, give him a go. I'll give him another shot at it yeah yeah give him a go I'm genuinely trying to think are there any trans actresses in my casting who could conceivably play me and I'm like I don't know any

because I have eliminated them all I think it would be funny to have it directed by Michael Mann that's my only real sort of qualm I don't really care about casting but I do think you should give it to him and i think he should he should direct it and he should have script supervision um absolutely that time we got in that massive gunfight in the middle of uh downtown

los angeles i remember this when this happened to us yeah yeah yeah absolutely i don't know who i would want to play either of you two or me though though. That's a difficult question. Write in if you have any suggestions. Eddie Redmayne, all three. It's like Kind Hearts and Coronet. Or the Nazi professor. Yeah, it's like Norbert. Eddie Redmayne's playing all three of us. Yeah, Norbert, really, the thinking man's Kind Hearts and Coronet.

I want to go Tom Hardy as Dev. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I could buy that. Okay. Have to grow some hair and then diet but i could yeah i believe jason momoa yeah that would be fun yeah um are there any are there any alices out there does anyone look a bit like me i think generally they're trying to make actresses prettier than that but uh odd suggestion but olivia colman? Yeah, sure.

Is she edgy enough? Maybe not. The thing about me, like Olivia Colman, I am also 47 to 50 something years old. Well, you know, like fucking Eddie Redmayne's older than any of us and so is Jason Momoa. Pure wishful thinking and a chancellor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, to portray me after the period of my life where i get facial and a chancellorization surgery that's right the reverse roman nose surgery yeah very well um so we got a couple of people were like first of all thank you for cracking my egg very kind of you would you like to pay for my NHS bills because it's a service that we provide that's not a service that we

provide we'll crack the egg but you have to deal with it afterwards you gotta clean it up sorry but someone did ask tin roof I believe is what the translate says. Tin Roof. Tin Roof asks, do you have any advice for trans people in the general area of choosing a name,

especially if you want it to be cool? So what you want to do is you want to go through the list and then you want to get scared, stick at the first page and just pick something out of the A's. Yeah, A's are really strong. Or flip to the back and call yourself Zoe. I know like five Alice's and three Zoe's. Yeah, they're like the five names

that you're allowed to have as a trans woman, as far as I'm aware. I get asked this a lot, actually. Oh, yeah. And I would say one thing you should not do is you should not name yourself after a transgender influencer that you really respect do not do that because i've known people who do that and then the influencer that you named yourself after gets cancelled and then you get in a lot of trouble um so i'm not gonna name any names but that has happened you can

you can name yourself after a historical figure, providing they are like long dead. Yeah. Don't name yourself after anyone who's currently famous, especially trans people, because they will get cancelled. Oh yeah. Character in a novel. Yeah.

You know, that's a possibility. I knew that I wanted my name. I, well, I sort of sensed that it should have three syllables because I wanted it to be buh, buh,

buh, fawn. Cause that's quite a good rhythm to it. And also one thing I liked about my dead name is that it also had three syllables because I wanted it to be buh-buh-buh-thorn because that's quite a good rhythm to it. And also one thing I liked about my dead name is that it also had three syllables. And I kind of felt that I wanted it to start with A. And for a little while I was like, is it Adelaide? No, I don't think so.

It's maybe something close to that. And genuinely, I was just doing the dishes one day and I was just like looking out the window and it almost seemed to come down out of the sunlight on a Sunday morning. I was like, oh, my name's Abigail. Abby. That's who I am. It just, it kind of chose me, really.

You need to give a drop for that, Dev. Hello. My name's Abigail. Exactly. That's what happened. Yeah. Oved interview. You're like, holy shit.

Abby. That's it. It just happened. I chose my name out of sort of like lack of imagination. So I'm not going to shock anyone here by dead naming myself, I hope. But my dead name is Alex, right? No, no, no. Leave that anyone here by deadnaming myself, I hope, but my deadname is Alex, right? Ooh!

No, no, no, leave that in, because it's important. Yeah, yeah. So, like, I genuinely was like, maybe I'll just keep it. I'll lop the, like, I'll lop the, like, under off the end of it, or maybe change it to, like, Alexandra, right? But like, I kind of like it as a, like, neutral, kind neutral kind of like non-binary thing and then i was like no because first of all i worry i'm not not i'm like too binary for this and second of all i want to know when people are fucking dead naming this turned out to be a lot less important than i

thought it would because you could tell in other ways and so now i i don't know it's part of my brand now but i genuinely think about changing my name again every like two weeks or so well i mean there are a number of names that you floated all of which i've gone yeah that's sick yeah yeah because they're all sick nasty because i just pick names that i think sound like a sort of like international super spy um there's no reason there's no reason why you can't be called Alexa Strapon, there's no reason why you can't be called Ariadne Vesper, you know? Again, always! There's no law against that.

Yeah, or, you know, just like... Katie type pussy, things of this nature. Yeah, for sure. Abigail Ford? I enjoy the concept of... things of this nature yeah for sure um i enjoy the concept um i i enjoy the concept of like names that are like like virtue names like i don't know charity or fucking yeah chastity temperance chastity temperance honor all the things i don't have um you know so it would be funny maybe this reminds me of a while ago i was i was chatting to um

somebody i won't name but um uh a theater director i had to chat to a lot of these people who are like older very established industry people who are just now kind of like learning what transgender shit is and um they sometimes ask a lot of basic questions that are very boring but he asked me um he said do people ever people ever call you he? Do you ever get misgendered? And I said, no, it doesn't usually happen. And if it does, it only happens once. I just let him sit with that for a moment. He's like, oh, okay.

Nice. Anyway, yeah. So watch this space, maybe. I don't know. But in terms of picking your own name, I guess the lesson I would derive from that is that it's okay to get it wrong, it's okay to

not like your name, because you can change it. It's a bit of a hassle, but you can be whatever you want whenever you want. And that sounds like a fucking sticker you put up in a hipster coffee shop, but it is true. I mean, Devon was not my first pick.

I mean, when I was experimenting with what my presentation would be, I considered being full femme for a while. For like a year, I wanted to be called Danny. I remember that arc, yeah. And then I went back to my dead name for a while, for personal reasons.

Because essentially, I was like, oh, I'm non-binary and i told my my then fiance about it and i received a particularly bad response it was like okay i'm cis again don't worry about it don't worry about it and that lasted for about a year um before everything became a little too much but then when i went back to to% Femme, I briefly weighed up being called Brooke because I thought Brooklyn would be a fucking sick name. Oh, that is a sick name, actually. I sort of came to the sort of mononym stuff kind of by accident because I was a teacher when I came out as non-binary,

or for the second more final time came out as non-binary. Or for the second more final time came out as non-binary. And having my surname be publicly available would be a problem for me. So I chose to go just by my first name, sort of to protect myself from having my tweets shown to my supervisors. And it's just stuck. I really enjoy Devon as like a strong singular word yeah it's great yeah remember when when who was it who wrote that piece about the podcast that interview piece and it was just like uh abigail thorn alice caldwell kelly and devon brackets they're just devon that was really

good it's still my favorite thing is the the um what was it the rainbow honors the fucking one joke we opened the show with where it's like I think we did like Caldwell Kelly Abigail Thorne and I'm Devin oh yeah that was the first joke we did yeah I was in like the reveal trailer for the podcast

yeah yeah yeah I'm very happy with Devin as you may have noticed if you've seen any photos of me wearing a big jacket I love the Devon jacket and I know I have some more clothing that I'm looking to do that with so watch that space

for the Devon 2023 collection that is really the ultimate goal right is the fucking streetwear atelier yeah that's that is branches out that's your that's the end of my arc uh is to stop being non-binary just become a brand uh transitioning to become a woman and then transitioning to become a company ceo of me baby um charlotte mill Miller asks what is your favourite weird looking gun

used in a movie Whitney Wolverine I'll chase down what movie it's been used in but that's my favourite weird looking gun if anyone wants to google that right now Whitney Wolverine oh that is fucking weird looking

also a great name if you're transgender by the way Google that right now. A Whitney Wolverine. Oh, that is fucking weird looking. I got two answers. Also a great name if you're transgender, by the way. Yeah, Whitney Wolverine. Holy shit. Whitney Wolverine? Whitney Wolverine, top 0.3% on OnlyFans. Call yourself Whitney Wolverine. I'm now strongly considering this.

Fuck. Okay. Shit. That would be so sick to call yourself Audrey Gardner. Yeah, because I got the unconventional curves. Very well done. Space age construction. I got two answers.

From ones we've watched, Mr. Hinks' fucking double pistol. The fucking Arsenal Firearms AF2011. Because they never draw attention to it either he just happens to have it so yeah just yeah i think i'm gonna concur with you there actually um and then for one that we haven't watched uh i watched escape from new york

last night and within that movie kurt russell as snake bliskin has a MAC-10 with a massive suppressor and a scope mounted to the suppressor. It's the funniest fucking gun in the world. It's so, so good. I really like the long barrel Uzi carbine from

Clear and Present Danger that we made fun of, where there's one guard on the roof who just has a regular Uzi but the barrel is twice the length of it the really long revolver from I was just going to say because that is a

real weapon that he just uses it in the wrong way and therefore looks like a dipshit it's fucking sick I remember on Jango we had some of those as props because you are meant to really use them but you're meant to use them like mounting them on a saddle but you're just like having these two massive that's so funny um of jordan lamb jordan lamb asks of the various spy organizations from the movies you've watched which do you think you'd enjoy working for the most? That is a good question.

The Bourne one that just dunks on the CIA and exists to fuck with them. The second CIA. The National Research Assay group. That one. I think that's my answer. I'm trying to think which of the various

Jason Bourne, Professor Chin programs would be the most fun to commit to because there are like a whole bunch Abby your answer is whoop clearly oh my god yeah yeah fucking whoop mine's the OSS from

I think it's funny oh yeah they're really funny great vibes and everyone knows each other's first name I wouldn't want to work for the Spy Kids agency, I imagine that gets grating. No, no, no. Yeah, you're totally right. Imagine working for the fucking,

imagine working for the dog or the cat intelligence agencies. Spectre seems like it's like, I'm going to get killed the first day here long. You guys don't really understand what it's all like. Oh yeah. Spectre is not. Spectre's not a good one to work for. I mean, they've got...

Working for MI6, even worse. Spectre is not. Spectre's not a good one to work for. I mean, they've got... Working for MI6, even worse. I wouldn't know. Moving on. That is still funny. It's still... I'm sorry. There's enough distance from it now that we can talk about it now.

It's so funny. It's still extremely funny that people accused me of working for the CIA and for the royal family. Like, it's so fucking funny what even was the origin of that I'm not going to say I'm not going to give them the fucking credit but like it's also extremely funny that like one of the major origins of that has now been like totally destroyed as a sex

pest and like a total creepy weirdo it's like yeah that's what happens if you wait by a river long enough eventually the bodies of your enemies will float by yeah that's what happens. Sun Tzu said, if you wait by a river long enough, eventually the bodies of your enemies will float by. That's fucking right. That's the Philosophy Tube jiu-jitsu, baby. Never say anything bad about anyone, and on a long enough

timeline, your enemies will cancel themselves. But it is still extremely funny that they said that. Some people still believe that, despite the fact that I, in the next episode of Philosophy Tube, explained exactly what the project was and why it wasn't that. But very very funny so funny so so good uh vince b asks what's a favorite movie of yours that's too good to ever watch on kill jones bond uh the duke of burgundy i'm sure

i've referenced this in a q a before but the duke of burgundy is, like my sort of shakedown date movie for like, whether or not I'm like sort of emotionally compatible with someone is whether or not they get that movie. It's also too horny. Um, if, yeah, like, I dunno, I think it's probably too lesbian even for us. Uh, but it's one of my favorite movies. Uh, I highly recommend it it but i don't think we could record a podcast about it uh there are i think like probably the original or the extended edition of lord of the rings are films that i really like and really enjoy but wouldn't really fit the tone of the podcast yeah that's true so yeah probably those i would say that's a really

good it's a really good call um i don't know if I have one. All of my favorite movies I have brought to the podcast at this point, I think. Apart from my favorite movie of all time, which is Big Trouble in Little China, which is just one of the best films ever. I have another favorite die-cast movie that I'm not sure we could really get much out of, which is The Handmaiden. That's true, that's true. But, like, all it would be would be it would be an hour of me crying you know um castaway castaway some people

castaways oh maybe there is something to be said about castaway because that was that was a film that used to be an advert for fedex yeah but also that film used to mean quite a lot to me for like masculinity reasons. So I have that beach ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but the idea of being stuck on an island alone, the idea of being dedicated to order and keeping time, I think we might be able to do that on the podcast,

but it could be a bit of a stretch. Well, Howard Rees asks, if we weren't looking at masculinity in film, do we have any other alternate ideas or themes that we would want to explore? Well, I mean, it's a podcast about James Bond. James Bond has themes beyond just masculinity. Those are things that tie into masculinity. I think it's also a podcast podcast about empire it's a podcast about imperialism um i think in in large part it's a podcast about britishness at times um and it's it's also a podcast about violence now all of those things are tied into masculinity they're not exclusive to it um as as we see with you know people who manage to do all of those while retaining their femininity like penny mordant um so yeah no i i i think there's a lot of scope for for stuff that like in the world with no men right i i think we would still have a podcast that's that would be an interesting world

i think i think jane bond would be a you know impossible to sort of like do counterfactuals like this but would be a a much weirder vibe but in the world with no men we would become like the giver because we'd be the only people who like really knew yeah that's true if we were like fucking isekai tomorrow into into a world that like had had no men in it. And I don't know. I hate it when I get iso-guide. It happens to me so often. I would hate to pass into the anime realm. Oh, it's so... I'm getting hit by trucks all the time.

It depends on the anime. I've got to stop crossing these roads. Yeah, also, I mean, I should say the obvious one, the thing that our secret enemy the thing that we confront in every episode 9-11 capitalism oh 9-11 yeah yeah 9-11 genuinely i do think a podcast about like 9-11 would be good like an like all media that is about 9-11 but then actually it already exists it's um it's lindsay ellis did like a whole whole fucking series about it I can't remember the name of

we do an episode on 9-11 every year roughly on 9-11 somewhere near round about 9-11 very well okay what's a nice

light one give me a heavy one i'm i'm ready for it i can take it i i'm i'm still thinking about alternate names but i'm not i'm not in a tailspin here i'm i'm keeping it together no i'm really enjoying this big fluffy white turtleneck that i got the listeners you can't see this but it does thank you i i feel i feel like fucking what was the name of the girl in Day of the Condor with her like old fashioned shit

oh shit yeah yeah yeah always count on the old spy fucker that's right I feel like a 70s like 70s babe always depend on the

old spy fucker there you go yeah genuinely like you two always have like much better fashion than I do

that is not true that's simply not true the other night the other night you were fucking banging in that like big like red and black thing with the boots incredible that went off that was fucking good right now i'm wearing an oversized t-shirt i haven't even fucking shaved today listen one of us has the camera and it's it's me. Question. Hayson asks, go on, fuel the parasocial frenzy.

What were your biggest young adult literature obsessions? We've all heard about Abbey and Cherub. Were any of you Twihards, John Green Stans? Twihards? No. You were a Songwriters and Fire type. Okay, so I read the Harry Potterum books they didn't mean that much to me what i did i did get really into for a while was and i think i mentioned this in in the episode the alex rider books yeah i also read all of those i read a few of those yeah read i

think almost all of those uh artemis fowl another big one shit i think i've read the artemis fowl ones as well i it's it's normal to be named after a girl if you're smart enough um and um fucking younger than this so like this was i didn't not yeah kind of like way young like pre-teen but there was one book that like still sticks my head was called fucking um harry and the ring i love the book i read it till it fell apart when i was a little kid i love that genuinely same genuinely same i really love the like cover art it's a it's about a a kid who gets sent to stay with his two aunts who are like con artists and criminals yeah um it's it's really genuinely very fun so that's that's an abiding sort of like ya thing for me also discworld um which right up there never got into discworld never read it really i think you'd

i think you'd really enjoy it yeah i think you'd have a good time i i read the first chair book i didn't read the series i read a little bit of alex rider but my big thing my big thing was the aragon series i was big into that as a mid teenager i think part of what got me into is i like the kind of dragons and the fantasy stuff but also christopher paulini the guy who wrote it he wrote the first one when he was 17 and i was like oh yeah like i agree writer too like and i am now a writer um yeah thank you and that was something that like yeah, I could be a writer too. And I am now a writer. Yeah, award winning playwright. Thank you.

That was something that really got me going. Oh, he started when he was just a little bit older than me and I could write something good like this too. But I really, really enjoyed that series. The evil dragon in the second one who is forced to be evil and forced to be very macho and violent against his will is called Thorn. Make of that what you will.

I really enjoyed that series. i thought the ending was like i well basically i kind of aged out of it by the time the ending book came out but i did read all of them and i did enjoy it and and then as an adult now i go back and look and i'm like oh yeah this is kind of just like star wars but with elves and dragons it's kind of if you took star wars and lord of the rings and smash them into each other um but i did really enjoy it and like i i would if christopher pallini if you're out there come on the show like and also thank you for writing those books i really enjoyed them as a teen hey i have a couple of others i i was really into uh caroline lawrence's uh roman mysteries series about like the fucking like mystery solving roman children um and uh there's another one that i forget she actually signed a bunch of books for me so um i know i really enjoyed um

a michael morpurgo book called kensuki's kingdom oh yeah which was about a kid who got stuck on an island with a japanese war veteran that was was cool. And also, was it? Was it also Michael Morpurga who wrote Ragboy? I think so. Might have been. I really enjoyed Ragboy. It was about a kid in the late 1800s who finds a mermaid washed up on the beach.

So it's about a young boy child who suddenly discovers a powerful source of femininity that he has to keep secret away from all the people who will take it away from him. And I was like, hmm, this means a lot to me for reasons that i cannot explain yeah for reasons i cannot explain will anyone be surprised that specifically within discworld it was the guards novels that were really fun but they fucking rule though is the thing easily one of my favorite of the discworld series The thing is right, if you don't really fit in

in society the answer is to join the police That's, yeah What about, fuck I had some weird bloody choices as a child I really, I just absolutely ripped through the Discworld, I absolutely fucking love the Discworld

Really, really enjoyed Moving Pictures as maybe my favourite Discworld. I absolutely fucking love the Discworld. Really, really enjoyed Moving Pictures as maybe my favorite Discworld book. But all of the death ones, like Reaper Man is fucking phenomenal. Soul Music I adore. Feet of Clay, as I mentioned. Also Monstrous Regiment is also extremely good.

It's a bit of a niche choice, but it's fantastic of just like a bunch of people all at war, each one of them discovering that all of them are women who have lied about being men to join the army like every single person is doing this I think my favourite Discord

might actually be Jingo which is no one's favourite that's a fucking choice you're not wrong though Thief of Time is also right up there fuck I should just reread the discord series actually I probably didn't get as much out of it as a child as I

would now also I read the song of ice and fire series and had a great time with that and I read a lot of the school library had a strange selection of books but what it did have is a lot of the school library had a strange

selection of books but what it did have is a lot of the like Star Wars novels with like extended universe that was canon before Disney got to it like the Yuuzhan Vong war and everything like that you're like fully like little dev is in the school library like yo that's

glup shitter I was like yo that's glup shitter that's fuckingup shitter. I was like, yo, that's glup shitter. That's fucking low backer from the Star Wars Holiday Special and he's a Jedi now. Yeah, but no, no, those were all of my favourites. Speaking of Discworld, it's not a Discworld

book, but Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Pratchett. We're just going to talk about Pratchett for the rest of the hour, aren't we? I wouldn't want to isolate Avi but just for Nob and All Books really massive fan of them The Train Doctor

I think the first instance of me ever running into the idea of a trans person or something like it in any kind of literature was one of the Discworld novels, was Dwarves. You know? I wish I'd had that kind of thing, you know?

I remember, this is off topic, but I remember the first trans person I met when I was like 18 or 19, or that I knew of. Looking back now, I have a suspicion that the girl who used to sit next to me in chemistry was the childhood transitioner. But yeah, I remember the suspicion that the girl who used to sit next to me in chemistry was the childhood transitioner. But yeah, I remember the first openly trans person I met when I was like 18, 19.

I've just been like, what? No one ever told me this. Crazy. Britain! Didn't know this was an option. Interesting. I'm going to think about this a lot for a while. Think about this for the next several years.

I tended to think of it for about a decade as like, trans people exist in the same way that like astronauts exist oh my god yes it's something that it's something that people can do yeah it's not something i can do like because it's it's like you have to be like phenomenal you have to be incredible you have to be like almost angelically gifted i remember the moment, the very moment, far too late that I realized this, that that's not true, right? Is I think getting deep Abbey Law today, like even after like knowing a lot of trans people,

being friends with a lot of trans people, even after like dating a trans person for a long time, I still had this idea that like, well, it's something that a human beings can do, but you have to be like truly exceptional. And I went to see Kim Petras live. um I went with my good friend Jazza John and honestly what I'm so sorry Kim if you're listening um honestly what like what was important to me was the gig was like kind of mid like it was the last one on the tour she was clearly a bit tired her voice

couldn't reach the back of the hall and like she was sweating and she was out of breath. And I would say the gig was good. It was like a seven out of 10. But I was in the audience like, oh my God, trans people, they're not like aliens from other... You don't have to be a kind of incredibly blessed angel in order to do this. It's something that humans can do.

And therefore it's something that I could do. And they're like, okay, I kind of have to do this now. Like, wild, wild. It's kind of of a mixed bag but occasionally i get messages from people who are like very encouraged by the fact that i have not really done any voice work whatsoever and i still primarily make a living with my voice as a trans person as a trans woman your voice is great i absolutely love it myself thank you um but like as as a thing that is like no you don't you don't have to do anything really that you don't want to um least of all least of all like you know change something about yourself that you that you like that's right um only change the

things that bother you on your good days with some some great advice that I once got from a friend of the show Paris Lees alright let's wildly shift from quite a heavy question to just a very light one which is Rain Doctor asks what's each host's favourite candy that's really tough

because if you know me at all you know that i have an incredibly sweet tooth uh genuinely i i it's so sort of like catholic small c for me i like anything sweet so much that it's very difficult for me to pick out. In terms of processed food, genuinely, I think that just a plain milker chocolate bar is one of the best things that humanity has yet devised. It's genuinely up there. I think for me, it's going to have to be something dark chocolate.

It's a tough call between dark chocolate brazil nuts which i adore and uh dark chocolate kirsch cherries which you like dark chocolate because you're you're a grown-up whereas the thing about me is that i am i'm six years old but i always have even when i was a child i like dark chocolate cherries i'm like oh no i got some i got my sister-in-law some chocolate-covered cherries from the US a while ago, and I tried one. I was like, my God, these are good. But I really like the ones that you get, they've got like Kirsch liqueur in them as well.

I'm just like, ooh, I'm a heroine in a Russian novel eating a dark chocolate boozy cherry and reclining on a fur rug in front of a fire. Anna Karenina, no, life is beautiful. Fucking somebody I shouldn't, like, yeah. You know what I do like? On that sort of terrain, I do really like a chocolate-coated coffee bean.

I find those to be extremely lovely. I love them, but then I just eat them by the fistful and just get, like, caffeine palpitations. Yeah. Oh, that's very nice i got a uh when i was when i was a teacher we had a little like secret santa thing and the last who got me was one of my busy mates at the school dr beverly gabbert wonderful woman just fantastic i was only in three days a week and i i missed her the entire rest of the time but she got me a bunch of those because i like everyone got given like a little q a to fill out like a questionnaire about what your favorite stuff is to give people like prompts um and she just like took this list and like each one of it was like what's your favorite this what's your

favorite that and she was like great i'll just give them all to him i'll just like get that entire group him at that time i just get that entire fucking list ding fuck i'm allowed no one else's no one else's that i made you at lunch the other day was everyone who gets one apart from me who gets infinity, it's one of those things where it's like, I've had an entire transition. And what's essentially happened is that I had a hero's journey and now I'm just back at the start again, but with like my entire self irrevocably changed.

Like I could just drop back to him and it would be nothing, but I'm not going to because I did the journey. Also, I've got a tattoo on my fucking hands. Also, then we'd have to fire you from the journey no no also i'm going to tattoo my fucking hands also then we'd have to fire you from the podcast that's true that is true no cis guests what you're doing is a t.s elliott thing you know at the end of all you're exploring you arrive where you started and know the place for the first time right that's right wherever you go there you are that's it baby um michael seth asks what is your favorite piece of media that you've consumed in the past year that wasn't for a podcast oh um

god that's yeah we consume a lot of media just for when i do consume media that i like i tend to be like we should do this on the podcast open it opening up a list of recent kindle books here's some movies i've watched recently that i really liked but i wouldn't do on the podcast i watched um mad max fury road the one that's in black and white like the black chrome edition which fucking rules uh everything everywhere all at once i i loved the massive weight of unbearable talent or something like that is fantastic uh the nick cage movie absolutely love it pig as well i could maybe do pig on on the pod yeah uh so but books that i've read in the last year that i highly recommend uh i highly recommend laurent binez hhh h um eric vuillard's the order of the day if you want to double up on French literature that's

quite philosophical about fascism and Nazis. On a lighter note, I read pretty much all of Lindsay Davis' Roman private detective novels, and I really, really enjoyed those a lot. And if you just want one individual book to pick out, fiction, La Vita et Asa, Man Lies Dreaming, which is also a private detective novel. Non-fiction, Emma Southern's A Fatal Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. If you can just pick out a couple of my interests there in terms of like ancient rome and nazis i guess um i went to see recently the cinema see how they run which i

quite enjoyed i like sam rockwell um that's a film that we probably wouldn't do on the podcast but i did i did quite like it was a nice sort of 90 minute murder mystery comedy um i watched dragon ball super superhero um and i found that to be quite fun really it went to the cinema and ate an edible on the way over okay spy family's really good liquorice recoil is really good um so oh uh i recently re-watched the uh the hulu series of catch 22 that george clooney directed. Seriously good. Really like the novel. I rewatched it for Philosophy Tube because I'm going to use some clips and motifs from it,

but it is genuinely very good. I think in terms of books, Paris Lees is what it feels like for a girl. I mentioned it on Philosophy Tube. I think I'm biased because Paris is one of my best friends, but also I really, really enjoyed her book before we became friends. Genuinely, I think it is one of the best friends but also like um i i really really enjoyed her book before we became friends um genuinely i think it is one of the best pieces of queer art i have ever consumed of any form and

i think it should i think it should be taught to like i think kids should do that book at gcse because it is like genuinely not just as a story but as a work of art like i think it's a work of genuine genius um and uh i think in a just country in a country that wouldn't be fucking weird about like a trans woman's book being on school curricula i i do think it should it should be taught in schools because it is fantastic um in terms of books all right in terms of anime actually because you mentioned spy family spy family is very good currently airing are three animes that are all really fucking good uh the new gundam series the witch from mercury is extremely good yep it's gay they decided to finally make a gundam series but it's

textually gay instead of just subtextually extremely gay um that one's that one's just fucking great uh the new series of mob psycho is airing and that's one of my favourite animes of all time. And Chainsaw Man is looking promising to me. I've only seen the first two episodes but it's looking promising. I still have to know what happens at the end of Attack on Titan. Oh I'm waiting for the final bit.

Come on. Give me that shit. What else? In terms of books, I have over the last year, read every book that China Mayville has written, and they're all fucking great. The City in the City is my favourite. City in the City is the one I read

first that got me into him. Iron Council is fantastic, and Embassy Town is just a fucking work of art. Beautiful. Oh, fuck. Books. Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov. I'm a big Nabokov head, but genuinely

I really liked Palefire. I don't think it's quite as good as Arda, but I do think it's better than Lolita. But yeah, Palefire really, really fucking good. Check that out. Cool. And then finally, in terms of books, for me, I have also read all of the Iain M banks culture novels i really enjoyed

look to windward i think it's probably my favorite of them mine mine is uh of those is is a player of games actually um because i think it says uh a lot about our society um it really does is the thing no but genuinely i i think about i think about anytime i see some sort of like new active brutality that becomes part of our mass culture i think about player of games and i think about margaret atwood's um oryx and crake um in which sort of mass culture is is is totally brutal it's totally sadistic um and you know i i like that a lot um i'm not a huge huge atwood fan um but yeah i i like oryx and craig and i like i think it's very prescient in that way in a way about environmentalism uh people talk about like the handmaid's tale and yes certainly however there are certain there are

very good critiques of that sort of it's it's limits but i think oryx and craig is sort of like slept on if you're talking about tv which we may as well i have not um i've not watched any tv i don't think i've i i've i watched a lot of foreign tv because i think that it makes me smart and fancy um and so um i i highly recommend um this is not a brand endorsement as such, but Channel 4, if you're in the UK, Channel 4's on-demand service has a thing called, they brand it as Water Presents, which is like their foreign dramas. It's got Deutschland 83 and its subsequent series on there. Those are really good. I made a joke about that series on a thing that like five people would have got.

It's also got an italian series called um il cacciatore about the mafia that's really good um and on amazon i saw this spanish thing called un asunto privado with jean reno um that's fun and which i like because the central message of it is if society does not accept you, if you don't feel accepted by society, you should become a cop and you should join the police. There's a lot of media you've recommended. Themes! There is a TV series coming out next year in February

on Sky and on Catalia called Django. I think you should check that out. You might recognize one of the performers. I don't know. Is it going to tell me to join the police? The first trailer dropped I think a couple weeks ago. That's a really good trailer.

It's fucking sick, man. I'm so excited for it. You can see the back of my head briefly and my voice has the first line in the trailer, which is cute. Fantastic. It's going to be weird. I'm going to have to look at it with my old face. Because it's before my face just did that thing that it did.

That's right. I've got to look into getting my face to do that. To just do that thing that it did on its own, yeah. Sometimes faces just do that. Specifically, I want it to do the thing to look a bit more like Anna Chancellor. You're going to get facial masculinization surgery. Well, I've talked to you before about the surgery to become Italian, right?

The Roman nose surgery that I want. Yeah, the Roman nose backwards where you get given a Roman nose. Yeah. I'm just looking at all the like uh timelines of people who have had their like roman noses their aquiline noses like reduced and i'm like backwards so it's been 10 months i think since or like nine months since my face just did that um and uh i've been chatting to some other people who've had it done like a year a year and a half two years ago and they're like it it keeps changing over the next 18 months.

So my face still isn't finished doing that thing that it's going to do. Thank God. I think you look fantastic. I really do. Yes, co-signed very much. This is a question, yeah, but it doesn't really require much of an answer. So Mark, I just want to flag

it up so that it's a thing that we've said on the record here. Marco says, hi, require much of an answer. So Mark, I just want to flag it up. So, but it's a thing that we've, we've said on the record here. Marco says, hi, big fan of the show. This might be a silly question, but it's something I'm genuinely curious about. Why are there not?

Yes. You're transgender. You listening to this now. Pointing directly at the camera. You are trans. Oh shit. No, don't worry. It's a gift. to this now pointing directly at the camera you are trans, oh shit no don't worry it's a gift why are there not clips of KJB on YouTube

in the same way that there are of other shows does it just not have a large enough video editor fanbase or is it something you actively don't want to have it's shit work and like neither me nor I suspect Abby want to do it therefore we would have to make Dev do it

and we don't want to do that to our friend. Could we maybe hire somebody for one or two days a month to take the clips and turn them into TikToks and stuff? Yeah, TikToks. Because Trash Future is on YouTube now, which is something that I do. And I have been weighing starting to put Kill Jane's B is on YouTube now, which is something that I do. And I have been weighing starting to put Kill Jane's Bonds on YouTube, but I would have to start at the start.

Yeah, well, we would hire a... I think it would be like hiring a social media assistant, basically. Yeah, exactly. And it would probably be a bit of an upfront cost because as they uploaded the backlog, but then after that, it would be like a part-time thing, like one or two days a month. So we consider yeah yeah absolutely i mean you know abby knows much more about youtube than either of us uh it's got a plaque yeah but also if you're like a fan and you

want to do it that's right actually got two bloody plaques. Sorry, that was just such a funny thing. I enjoyed the pointer very much. The fucking telescopic pointer that he just had. This is a prop for the next Philosophy Tube that I've just been carrying around. Just got a telescopic pointer and used it to point at a fucking YouTube plaque. It was very sort of like a bridge too far, which is, by the way way high on the list of movies that I want to do not least for the fucking accent in that movie

but also if you're a fan and you want to just like create compilations or something like that that's completely acceptable Killed Him is one animated or like yeah just go wild if you want to do the thing that someone an absolute legend did for A Legend of a Problem and animate yeah I love that The Legend of Problem Animated, animate bits.

Yeah, I love that. The Legend of Problem Animated is so good. Yeah, I love this. Genuinely, genuinely. You can search for The Legend of Problem Animated on YouTube and see some of them. Or if you just want to see, like, you know, compilations of, like, one hour of Abby being a legend, which is just the previous hour, then, yeah, you know, go ahead. Throw your boots. I actually do have some compilations of abby um yeah which is where i was getting like hello my name's abigail i was getting all

of my little clips of you that we we use when you're not here to do a bit no i'm gonna fucking kill that cunt gorgeous well i've only got the one question left so may as well rack on with that one skatebush who asks what is skating up that hill well done

to make a deal with skate god what is the funniest thing regular god wearing thrasher god damn it skating up that hill um what's the funniest thing that each of your co-hosts have done or said not necessarily from the podcast oh that's a difficult one that's really tough it's the thing is is that we're all um we're all very good friends in real life. Yeah.

So there's a lot going on here. Many things I can't repeat, but the funniest... Yeah. The Abbey thing that still, like, properly cracks me up is the rant at the halfway point of the Cars 2 episode about why the ambulance exists. Yeah, what are you... Conversely, my favourite Devon moment, still always and forever, Spectre 11.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I've been chasing that fucking high. You had sex with this man! I had sex with this man! I'm the 11th most senior member of a fucking world-spanning criminal organization. I'm fucking real. Yeah, yeah. I still really enjoy the Devin the will you commit to this program

I just thought that was such a good find for a bit so excellent my favourite Abby bit is actually from when you guessed it and well there's your problem and it was a bit that you pulled off very successfully that actually got by me by stealth until like halfway into the episode

where you were joking about being younger but you made yourself younger each time until by the end of the episode you're like as a six-year-old oh that's really good i love listening to one of those i think my favorite all-time alice moment though was was a twitter thing i think i think the woke landlord beef and the pedophiles beef is still some of my favorite things that you've ever done. The week that you just spent just abusing pedophiles on Twitter. Yeah, just choosing violence.

It was so fucking funny. It was so good. My favorite Alice Twitter moment. And Alice has quite a backlog of tweets. If you're ever stuck for something to do, just from alice alizandum and then a keyword and it's always so good but my favorite is your um shit it's two okay i like your um john wick thread i think that's still fucking phenomenal when we get to the problem when we get to the john wick series which we're gonna have to do is how the fuck are we going to do those movies without

recapitulating that entire thread? Lawrence Fishburne laughs uproariously just like the like historical one about Elon Demusk or something that was so fucking good how does he have flask but by my

generosity that was really good Girls Night i just absolutely girls night was really funny oh yeah i genuinely this is it's it's such a delight it never feels like work although my favorite moment on the whole podcast was still the james bond muppet the muppet oh it's so good we could have kept that bit going for like five more minutes the Muppet you only live twice was like the you only live twice episode is still

one of my favourites because like we just oh yeah I remember Devin on that one being like that's a gay gun for women idiot

I reminded me of another another favourite Abbey moment I could do this for an hour because I just

love YouTube so much. Is Spitzpedo John. Oh my God. I totally forgot about that. Poor way, lads. Pure Spitzpedo John. Like, it's stuck in my fucking mind.

The fucking, like, turbo Geordie resurgence there. Yeah. 100%. Wait, I did the... Geordie Bond was one of my... Oh, fuck. resurgence there, yeah. 100%. Wait, I did the... Jodie Bond was one of my... Oh, fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was good. I think genuinely my favourite moment...

I'm going to re-listen to the Peter John Woodson. Doing this podcast was the moment on stage for No Time to Die where we fucking got him. Because genuinely that felt like the sort of the the apex you know because we couldn't have done it without you the listener you the audience and it just felt like everything came together like so beautifully at that moment that i was i was really really happy with it that's perfect yeah, absolutely. We gotta go back to... Yeah. This is the kitchen gun riff. Kitchen gun.

Hugh Dennis getting fucking murdered. Yeah. Good times. Good times. Uh, well. On that note, what a high note to go out. You could tell us about, like,

James Bond seeing the Book of Mormon. Yes! Because he must have done because he fucking referenced it oh my god another thing I love dev is the little previews and I think one of my favourite Twisted previews that you've made

in an episode was the was it the one from Spectre where he dives through the window yeah where he dives through the window the way you edited that was so fucking good I fucking love video editing actually man it's so fucking good I fucking love video editing actually man it's so much fun I just love your editing style both like video and audio

the way that you kind of just make yourself known as an unseen or unheard presence when you edit I just think it's really that's why I do it absolute treat to hear from you I just know I just I really like having a tangible voice when i edit something it's one of the interviews i agreed to do well as your problem was because i was like hey shit i

could do visual bits totally 100 we're very glad to have you and have you do it but i i would say after 25 bond movies and fuck knows what else the the state of the podcast remains strong, you know? Strength to strength. And thank you to all of you for listening, subscribing if you do subscribe, retweeting, boosting on social media, all of this. I would still do it if it weren't popular, if it weren't successful. I'd still have fun doing it. But the fact that it is is just, you know, a beautiful sort of extra gift. Thank you for committing to this program.

Thank you for committing to this program with us. That's right. And remember, all of us are real life friends with you. We're also sexually available. I was going to say that. We are. We're all single. Yeah, we're also we're also sexually available yeah yeah i was gonna say that yeah we're all single yeah we're all single frankly you're all you're looking amazing today you're so hot today that's right i miss you anon the list is just like the green faceless and non yeah podcaster gf that's such like a curse thing

fucked vibes gf um well see ya yeah bye fuck off no i'm gonna fucking kill that cunt. Thank you for listening to yet another episode of Kill James Bond. I don't remember what we said in this one.

I got to be honest with you. I'm recording this a little bit after the fact, but I'm pretty sure that it was good. And I stand by everything I said. I will never back down, even if I don't remember what it was. Next week on the free feed, as indeed everything is during the winter of content, the first of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. films, and that is To Trap a Spy from 1964. Of course, during this period, you don't have to be a patron. You will still get all of the content because it costs a lot to be alive right now.

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