Upstream - S2E18.75: The Raid

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

Abi's away on business (Dome), so it's up to just Alice and Devon to talk about the 2011 Indonesian action film 'The Raid'. A team of cops descend upon a tower block to kill the crime lord on the top ...floor. All that stands in their way? A million extremely damp guys who all know the martial art Pencak Silat. But we can't handle Dudes Rocking of this calibre alone, so we're joined by the wonderful Ben McLeay, host of the podcast Boonta Vista, Co-founder of the Two Bit Movie Club, and inventor of BORLFF! ------ THE WINTER OF CONTENT: THE FINAL MONTH If you do feel you have money to spare, please consider supporting your local food banks with money or time! donate to the Trussell Trust here: https://www.trusselltrust.org/make-a-donation/ or the Independent food aid network here: https://www.foodaidnetwork.org.uk/donate Additionally, please consider joining a renter's union like ACORN, as rising mortgage rates will surely result in rising rent, here: https://www.acorntheunion.org.uk/join ------ Consider supporting us on our reasonably-priced patreon! https://www.patreon.com/killjamesbond ------ *WEB DESIGN ALERT*  Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/   Kill James Bond is hosted by Alice Caldwell-Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon. You can find us at https://killjamesbond.com and https://twitter.com/killjamesbond

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello and welcome to another episode of Kill James Bond, I am Alice Goldor Kelly, I am joined by my friend Devon and not by Abigail Thorne. That's right. That she's been cancelled by us, cancelled culture. We have seized control of the podcast at this time to do a sort of irrespective of gender boys night. And we're very pleased to be joined by Ben from Boneservista to help us out. Ben has it going. Oh, it's going very well.
Starting point is 00:00:44 Thank you. How are you guys? I'm not too bad. I mean, it's been difficult here at KJB Towers dealing with what it was that Abby said, but we are just going to have to move past it. Deceval, disavow, completely disavow. Absolutely. I've never believed anything like that
Starting point is 00:01:01 about where the borders of Serbia should be in my life. And that was a perfect time for you to outline your beliefs around the borders of everything in the portion of Europe. We have a segment on the show called Where Should The Borders of Israel? We shouldn't have debuted the one where we rank the Balkan states just based on like vibes. We shouldn't have done that. We do apologise. I stand by what I said. I was planning on us doing a little bit of a thing in this one where we say who owns
Starting point is 00:01:35 Pengong Lake. And I think that could be a lot of fun for everyone involved. So Abby has not been cancelled. What Abby was doing was we allowed to say that she was getting like S rank sort of gold tier dome from like every clouted up trans woman in New York at the same time. Yeah, yeah, she was in New York City having like an all trans eyes wedge shop party. This is this is this is cool. It's fine.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I hate her so much. Between this and like her owning the only model of the camera that makes her look great and everyone standing next to her look like shit, I'm starting to have some real problems with that lady, I swear. But she will be back assuming that she like recants what she says about Serbia for the next one. But for this one, she gave us the option, right? she was like, oh, do you want to do fucking some my little pony shit some high fam shit
Starting point is 00:02:31 And and we weren't now fuck we're doing the raid Doing the raid redemption. We're doing a 2011 Indonesian martial arts movie that's like barely even a movie and since since I saw it, it's been all I've been able to think about. I'm just calling people up on the phone going, you see the raid? I saw this three times in the like two days before recording this. I'm raid-pilled, you know?
Starting point is 00:02:59 That's going above and beyond the line of duty for podcasting, right? Yeah, well, I watched it twice in Indonesian and once in the English dub, which is just atrocious. Oh, man. So I saw that the English dub last night for the first time having previously only what's the Indonesian version.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Few things really pop out. One is that the dub is quite bad. That's the first. Also, completely different score. I didn't realize done by Mike Shenoder of Lincoln Park and another guy whose name I've forgotten. But also with a surprise song in the end credits that is also written by Mike Shenoder with vocals
Starting point is 00:03:38 from the front man of Devdon's, Gino, where I was just sitting there being like, oh my God, the very specific thing to try to woo me with. A whole cultural experience here. Yeah, but I guess we'll just get into it. I should say, when I said this is barely a movie, there is not a lot in the way of plot, right? But you're not watching this for the plot.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Noted old, dead idiot Roger Evert hated this movie. Oh god, damn it Roger. He gave it a one-star review on the basis that this is this is nothing there's nothing happening here there's no plot there's no detailed you know it's it's just guys kicking each other in the face for two hours to which yes that's a valid criticism however fuck off that's the exact text of my five star review that I left wrong. Yeah, exactly. I don't. Sometimes, Roger E. But it's decisions are just absolutely
Starting point is 00:04:34 baffling. And his whole thing where he would like, he believed that movies should be rated based on what their intended audience will think about them. So he gave like the 2007 Transformers movie, he gave three out of four stars. And then he would have a very good audience will think about them. So he gave like the 2007 Transformers movie. He gave three out of four stars. And then he watches something like this, which is like the perfect martial arts movie. He's just like a trash from the toilet.
Starting point is 00:04:56 You idiots wouldn't know how to break a heart if you had to like, strange, strange. He said it was too much like a video game for him, which does not make sense. We'll get into way. But so we begin at dawn, right? Where our hero, we don't know shit about this guy yet, is app prayer. We open explicitly with check this shit out, this guy's Muslim, which is cool. I like that. That's right.
Starting point is 00:05:18 You don't see that. It's the Lord of Movies. That's true. It's the first action that we see him take in the film because that's what makes him indestructible is being Muslim. He's introduced as being Muslim, quite a conservative way too. He's praying farch, his wife isn't because she's pregnant, but she still wants to. And it's intercut him praying with him beating like beating the absolute shit out of a punch bag. And what the movie wants you to get from this is, this is a man who is both
Starting point is 00:05:49 like physically and spiritually strong, right? And you don't get the one without the other. There's like an interesting shot with like he, he, he, like, raises his finger and touch the hood and then you see the finger go onto, like, onto the block after that. And it's like, okay, I see, I see the point that you're making here. This is, which is the violence is only possible with the permission of Allah. This is a, it's like, great, cool, I agree with that. So this movie has two points to start with.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Number one, it's cool to be Muslim. Number two, it's cool to be a cop. It's really, you see why I'm so excited for this. It almost seems like, I don't know if there's an equivalent of like, these lablike youth pastor, the cool young Imam, they're like, there is. Oh, I bet you think it's pretty boring, Greg, all the time. Well, check this guy out. Is he boring? Yeah, And he's the meanwhile, he's landing fucking like combos on this punch bag. Oh my God. Can we talk about combos?
Starting point is 00:06:53 I've learned to pronounce the name of this martial art yet. It is it's it's Pension, Silat. Pension, there's like one of like about five thousand schools as martial arts in Indonesia. There's like one for each island and there's like five thousand island in Indonesia, right? And like I would describe the... Well, if you're a practitioner of Pench actually, you would describe the deal of it as being sort of like a holistic version of like spiritual strengths and like mental strengths and physical strengths and you can't have one without the other I would describe it as doing sick ass combos on a motherfucker because that's what it mostly manifests at You don't see him doing a lot of meditation. You see him doing a lot of like breaking people's joints
Starting point is 00:07:36 It seems like it's the martial arts version of that that one like classic Street Fighter competition video of the guy pulling off the like 25 punch combo perfectly. Like it's just, in a space of 10 seconds, it's like fist, fist, elbow fist, fist, elbow, elbow fist, all happening at an incredible speed. Or I don't even know if the impact would hurt you. I think you just get a dizzy and confused. Just getting like vaguely slapped like a hundred times.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Which is, you felt like would annoy me after a while. Because the damage multiplies the higher the combo is. No, the main sort of one of the main moves that the sort of sort of select practitioners in this have is to sort of like climb or descend a person like hitting each bone or joint on the way up or down them. You see that like 50 times and it's always great. You see a guy like grab an anchor and sort of like punch the,
Starting point is 00:08:31 like shin, punch the knee, punch the thigh, punch the dick, and then just sort of go all the way up. It's like those old illustrations like Wound Man, you know, you are getting punched in like every sort of like load bearing surface in your body. But so our cop straps on his cop watch, which watch ID.com helpfully informs me as a hammer on carkey X Mac. Oh, good.
Starting point is 00:08:58 The level of research we do for this podcast. I say, I don't know, I said, we just, then the level of research you do for this podcast really does take me out. I'm not even reading the Foreign Military Studies Office like essays from them titled shit, like the Indonesian military, territorial operations 1995 to 2000. I'm like, I'm on top of this.
Starting point is 00:09:22 And like I do want to talk about the watch because this is not like a particularly expensive watch. I think it's well cast in that it is a cop watch. And I say that in derogatory, right? It's big and it's sort of brash and stuff. But it also sets up one of the first things about this movie, which is they had a budget of zero dollars. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:43 This isn't a Rolex or an Omega, right? Because they don't have the money for it and they don't have the connections. And like this movie was made by largely one Welsh man going to Indonesia and like making friends. That's fucking right. I really like that. Yeah, a lot of the praise for it has been like, oh, it's genius because it's one building. You limit it to one structure and he's just going through the floors. That's it. Nothing but combat. Literally, it's one building because they could only afford the one.
Starting point is 00:10:13 It was made to be set in a prison. They couldn't afford the multiple buildings of a prison. So they're like, all right, apartment complex. Also cool. I love the filmmaker so much. I do want to take a second here because like, if you've watched this movie, there is a pretty high chance that you won't have noticed that the director is, is just a Welsh guy. Paul, he's got a thousand. And he just, oh, he's credited by all three of his
Starting point is 00:10:39 names in this movie. At least two episodes. That's right. Because he's whale. That's fucking right, he is. He went to the University of South Wales, did screenwriting, and then he did like one documentary in Indonesia where he just saw someone do Penchak Salatan was like, holy fuck. Which you would. Like, I'm telling you right now, if you haven't seen this movie, first of all, you should. Second of all, if you go to the Wikipedia page where Penchak Salatan is right now, if you haven't seen this movie, first of all, you should. Second of all, if you go to the Wikipedia page, or Penchaxe, it's allowed right now. You will see a large number of very high resolution photos of men flipping each other over in like rice paddies and shit. It's incredible looking. It's like so striking to look at, even more so in motion. And so,
Starting point is 00:11:20 our boy, Gareth, like saw this and like he saw his whole career out in front of him at that moment. That's right. And I respect that very deeply. He was even like, action choreographer on these things. Like, this is a man who saw a martial art, which absolutely fell in love. And I respect that immensely. Which is, it's exactly the same origin story as the movie Miami Connection, except with really, really different results.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Check out Miami Connection, except with really, really different results. Check out Miami Connection. So our cop, Rama, he like runs into his dad on the way out of his building and he's like, yeah, I will bring back my long lost brother. Again, bare bones of a plot. We then cut to the SWAT team fan because Rama is a cop. And he's on the SWAT team and And he's like the rookie, he's new. And I don't know if there's some cultural context loss there,
Starting point is 00:12:10 but the establishing shot of the SWAT VAD almost makes it seem like it's being played for comedy. It's a very small VAD. It is a rookie. Yeah. It's like a high A or something, like a mid-early 90s small Mitsubishi van with maybe some armoured windows on it, but when they show the inside of it that they pull
Starting point is 00:12:34 out, you're like, oh, right. Okay. I really have some thoughts on this, right, which is, I want to get into at some point the movie End of Watch, right, because a couple of reasons. I think it's one of the cornerstones of what fascist filmmaking in the 21st century is going to be. But also, part of that depends on it making cops vulnerable, right? And we know that that's something that you have to work quite hard at in fiction, because there's a lot of very good real life reasons why cops aren't vulnerable most of the time,
Starting point is 00:13:04 right? very good real life reasons why cops aren't vulnerable most of the time. Right? In the same way, like this movie, they don't have any really fancy police equipment. They've got like sort of like plastic airsoft helmets. They've got a shitty van. They don't even have like badges or patches or anything because it was too expensive. Right? But it aligns with the narrative because it makes them look like assholes. It makes them look like nobody's. You would be forgiven watching this movie for thinking that like Indonesia had just invented the concept of police because the
Starting point is 00:13:35 briefing that they get on the way in is, oh, we got to, we got to raid this tower block, this guy, right? Thomas, the guy who runs it, he doesn't like the police very much. He's got like an army of gangsters. We're really on the precipice here. There is no one else, it's just us. And the Indonesian police, like, Indonesia was a military dictatorship until like 1998, right? And like, since then, the US, to a certain extent also Australia have been like
Starting point is 00:14:06 very invested literally and metaphorically in Indonesia having a strong policing institution for like anti terrorism reasons and stuff like that. So you look up the like who these guys are meant to be and really Indonesian cops they look like sort of Tactical cops everywhere. They have all this, you know know very scary stuff. They have the big armored vehicles And in fact, they look quite lurid by western sand. There's lots of like red and yellow and everything And they don't look like these guys, but these guys look like they should be scared And I think it's sort of one of those things where the like
Starting point is 00:14:38 Financial part of making this movie like really helps the story And then what are you saying about that? Looking like that airsoft helmet on. They were wearing exclusively airsoft gear as well. Yes, the guns that were carrying are all airsoft guns. So every single muzzle flash, every casing ejected, every like, every single thing that looks like the action of a gun was added in post because they couldn't afford anything except airsoft guns, which is delightful.
Starting point is 00:15:06 It also seems like so much work. Oh yeah. They even have the like the Airsoft vest, the like, the cross-raw one that like if you Google Airsoft vest is like the third result with the cushion shoulders because it's the cheapest one. And so that's just what they have. But so. You got to make a movie. Yeah, you do. You got to make a movie. You so. You got to make a movie. Yeah, you do. You got to make a movie. I actually got, you got to make a movie. You got to make a movie.
Starting point is 00:15:29 That's doing a her-tongue quote. If you have to work in a dirty video store, what's basically just, you use a really specific example of being like, even if you don't have money, you should make a movie, if you have to work in a pornographic bookstore or whatever. Like, there's only the kind of jobs available now, but I can see where you're coming from.
Starting point is 00:15:45 I had to stay at the point. Well, I'll cop, Brahma, the actor playing him, he co-operated, I was working as a delivery driver for the phone company when he got cast to do this. So, amazing. But yeah, so, so, this sergeant, the Swat Sergeant, Jacka, he like gives them their briefing, which is, there's a big apartment block.
Starting point is 00:16:04 This guy, Tama, runs it. He's got a drug lab in there. Jacka, he like gives them their briefing, which is there's a big apartment block. This guy, Tama, runs it. He's got a drug lab in there. He's got two left tenants. And I, I, I didn't grab this as a drop, but I do love it as a, like a sentence, a maniac of feet and fists that would tear down walls for his boss and the other one, Andy. Yeah, and Andy, who is also present. Don't worry. He keeps the mad dog in line.
Starting point is 00:16:28 It's like, does he have the fantasy? We are mad dog and Andy. And we see then, at this point, mad dog, Tamah and Andy, Tamah is just eating some noodles. And then he executes some guys. And we see that he executes them. Like, he goes to the extra mile to kill the last one with a hammer, instead of choosing him because he executes them, like he goes to the extra mile to like kill the last one with a hammer instead of choosing him because he like chooses sadism because he's a bad
Starting point is 00:16:50 dude. He's also kind of all of these dudes are really grimy looking and like Thomas spends most of the movie in like a string vest. And it's like that's a conscious decision because like Garathad would said he didn't want to do like a sort of like a, you know, sort of colorful suit kind of gangster. Oh yeah, these boys are damp. Like the entire movie, these fellas are damp. But they're what you would be in sort of like the damp and disheveled version of like late 90s land party wear. Like all of the clothes are quite sensible that everybody's wearing.
Starting point is 00:17:27 They're not stylish, but they're not super practical. Also, it's very odd that you just look at everyone. You're just like guys wearing hoodie and jeans. All right. Cool. Yeah. So, they stop. They arrive at the apartment building, which is this great shot of Jarka,
Starting point is 00:17:47 like, sort of looking around the corner and seeing this thing looming up and it looks like absolute shit too. It's not like a tall, tall building. It's just like a very hostile looking one. It looks menacing. They lied about the size of it on the posters. They're like tagging out for the movie. It was like 30 floors of death and it's a 15 floor apartment.
Starting point is 00:18:07 That's right. It just kind of sells the sizzle baby. People want more floors. People want more floors. So they like stealthily infiltrate the building by one of them, like one of these cops gets out his arresting garret, right? That's right. And just perfectly like a hitman agent 47's to look out. Yeah, we get two things with quite rapid succession. While they're in the van on their way to it, we get the first hint that maybe this isn't a completely sanctioned mission that's going on here, because
Starting point is 00:18:45 Rama's like, all right, why now? Why are we doing this now and why are we doing it? To which the dude's like second and command, who I think's like, oh God, what's this fucking name? Boa is just like shut up. Yeah. Ia a lot. He learns nothing and is a cunt to everyone. Yeah. As we see, because as they get to the door of the building, a guy is trying to bring medication to his sick wife. And Boa goes, no, you fucking don't. Stay at stay back from the thing,
Starting point is 00:19:16 because we're busy doing cop shit. And Ramos, the one to play good cop. He like pushes him away and he's like, no, just give it a minute, right? We'll be in a now. We're just sort of like knifing into like kill this guy. Oh, and by the way, I should say, they are explicitly gonna kill this guy.
Starting point is 00:19:32 This isn't an arrest the guy. It's no, you did an assassination. And we also meet Earth's most nervous lieutenant, just like I call why you. Who is just, he's already at the apartment block when they get there. And he is just like God's perfect nervous guy. You can tell he is absolutely no business being there
Starting point is 00:19:54 at all. He looks like he just came straight from a desk. Visibly corrupt. Oh, completely, like sweating bullets every single second of the day. He's like wearing like a just a normal t-shirt and like a bullet proof vest. No How or anything. So they sneak that way into the building. They ambush a bunch of people. They like zip tie a bunch of people Which you want to be careful with. Also, they're just regular zip ties because they couldn't afford the like flex cuff, which is very funny.
Starting point is 00:20:21 And all of this is like weapon handling, room clearing stuff is fine. It's good. They trained with the Indonesian military to do that, which is like probably the least reprehensible thing the Indonesian military has ever trained anyone to do. And then listen, it was either that or a reference the time that like this, like the Indonesian police squad this is supposed to be, arrested a terrorism suspect and kicked him in the ribs
Starting point is 00:20:46 so hard he died of a heart attack, which is sort of an occupational hazard when like you enter your penchucks a lot perhaps. This is one of the techniques of penchucks a lot, I believe. Yeah, just kick a guy in the ribs until he dies. It's like the five point exploding hard technique, right? But it's just sort of the one point explaining hard technique. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Exploding stomach technique. That's right. Yeah. So they clear three floors. Absolutely no easy. Should be a piece of cake. But then they make the classic cop mistake, which they don't kill a kid fast enough.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. One of the like kid lookouts makes a run for it, gets killed a second too late by this sort of nervously corrupt detective why you? And then they are unable to like chase the second kid look out down before he like activates the So good. If you terrible flee over the link.
Starting point is 00:21:50 They just got some Stauwell boys. They just got some boys stood in the Stauwell. A boy on every stair. That's the promise. That's right. Yeah. They're sort of like alkoiners or whatever. Um, that their boys, one of them gets to the intercom. And he goes, it's the cops moments before being tackled. And I guess arrested. Also introduces some bullet time into the mix with the extremely, like, quite at odd slow motion of the bullet versus the slow motion of the child that's getting shot by the bullet, where I think if you sped it up to double speed, that bullet would still be traveling at like three foot a minute.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Also, we do see that Jacker like tries to stop the left hand from like shooting the kid because he's like a good cop. He's like a good guy. But so the alarm gets raised and we see that time I've just been watching this whole this whole shit on like CCTV anyway. He's already like aware of it, but he calls his sniper team who get a better entrance than the SWAT team do. And I love these guys. These are my boys in this movie because you know what? They show up. They do the job.
Starting point is 00:22:59 They they survive the movie as far as we know. They just get out. Oh yeah. Good point. They just leave. Yeah. It's a long job to do. And then they're like, beautiful. Two guys with sniper rifles just set up in the building opposite and like kill all the cops on the outside because like in a sort of fictionalized version of Indonesia where everyone specialised in melee fight. It's both smart and like safe to be a sniper because you know, what are they going to do? Run all the way up there and then like punch all of your like joints and stuff. No, you shoot them first. He's a deep suspicion that these two
Starting point is 00:23:37 guys have explored each other's bodies. They fall into each other's breathing rhythms immediately before they do their first shot short, you're like, oh, these guys are re-intimate. Oh, they're beautiful. They've seen you talk breathing before. No, yeah, yeah, 100%. My homoerotic sniper team, these are my guys. And they're just like still there for the entire movie.
Starting point is 00:23:57 So I'm like, yeah, because of all points where someone goes there a window. Yeah, just opened up on. They're just having a great time over there. They're hanging out. They've not worked today in their life. They love it. Yeah, it's great. Some more of Tamas guys like kill the two cops. They've left guarding the shitty truck, which doesn't even have like a bulletproof windshield or anything. They've both got shot through the windshield. I really enjoy that as well, because the first guy, it's like a perfect shot through the throat, one shot instantly dead.
Starting point is 00:24:30 And then they finish off the second guy by three guys lazily walking down and then shooting 500 bullets into the front of the car. One shot one kill. One shot one kill. One shot one kill. Done. Next step, 500 shots one kill.
Starting point is 00:24:42 That's really fucking an average up. Let's get this fucking guy done it. And as part of the conceit to like make the cops vulnerable, at this point you have to believe, this attracts no attention. There are no other cops in Indonesia and no one else is taking an interest. And also the radios don't work,
Starting point is 00:25:00 which we'll get to in a second. That's right. So moving. Meanwhile, one of the guys who they zip-tited and arrested, he like, can it twist his arms in front of him, grabs a machete, kills one cop, and then gets his hands back behind him and does the thing that like every American cop has been trained to believe everyone who approaches them is going to do. He just runs up towards him. It's like, help, help.
Starting point is 00:25:26 You got the two gay snipers are killing your friends and there with his hands behind him. And as the cop tells him to stop you, like perfectly reaction time shoots him, just doesn't even give him a second, which is, okay, sure. First appearance of a machete in the movie, 19 minutes and 11 seconds. That's a pretty good average. Not not the last.
Starting point is 00:25:48 That's pretty solid. The whole day out machete that he's got taped under his kitchen table. Yeah, my table machete. You have the sink gun, you have the table machete, you know. The fridge gun. Yeah, so at this point, time I get, he cuts the lights. And this one to be like huddled in the stairwell on the landing. And he gets on the microphone, he gets on the PA system and he does some warriors shit. This one goes out to the warriors, that real mean looking guy from Kony Island. And he goes, okay, there's a bunch of cops here. I, you should probably kill them.
Starting point is 00:26:25 If you do, you should free rent forever. And most of all, most importantly, be yourself and have fun with it. We're in self-wrestling. Please enjoy yourself. And I'm like, yeah, okay, nice. It's a good management style. People's centric.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Oh, and they do enjoy themselves. There's a whole group of fellows who roll up and are having the time of their fucking lives. Yeah, because they set up to ambush them. A bunch of other guys for the Shirties are trying to get through the door. Jaka, like, then collars the, like, the sort of nervous attendees. Like, why are we actually here?
Starting point is 00:27:00 Why haven't you and won't you call for backup? What exactly is going on in the terms like, I don't know how about it, at which point, because their vision is based on movement, the like guys open up on them with rifles and we get a long gunfight. It's freaking good. It's hard. At this point, I don't like the gunfight stuff as much as the martial art stuff that follows it, because you can kind of, you can see the airsoft at times, you know, they're sort of miming the
Starting point is 00:27:29 recoil and it's not as good. Well, to be fair though, they use the guns right at the start to get and then just, I guess, canonically everyone runs out of bullets because this is the one scene where everyone just opens up and then it's like, it's all punchin' after that point. You're not running down to the shops at this point. No, fuck. And no, no. You have like two clips, and you will not care for with those two clips.
Starting point is 00:27:53 They like trying it, the, the, the swap guys try and escape. They like use an axe to break through the floor and stuff. We get a bit of, like gun kind of martial arts. You get my favorite genre of anything ever, which is the John Wick thing of like punching someone with a gun and then shooting them with the same gun you just punched them with, which is cool,
Starting point is 00:28:13 hugely in favor of that. There's dubstep on the soundtrack at this point, which dates it a bit. But then, then Rama decides, okay, you know what, I'm gonna fix this problem, I'm gonna improvise, I'm gonna adapt, and I'm gonna overcome. Goes to a sink, goes into the cabinet under the sink, rips with his bare hands, a propane gas canister out of it, puts it in the fridge, gets his boy to help him move the fridge next to the door to create a sort of like directional explosive.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Yeah, create like a sort of fridge breaching charge. Yeah, yeah. Which he then detonates by shooting it. That's right. And we see the like the entire hallways of Bliss Racer, Contradudes get killed, the camera goes out. Thomas, like what the fuck was that? And then we get the funniest fucking light. It's even funnier in the dub, right?
Starting point is 00:29:09 What the fuck was that? Looks like we just learned what we're dealing with. Huh? A guy that puts gas bottles in fridges and then opens the door and they shoots the gas bottle. Exactly what I thought it was. But we didn't calculate for this. This is Andy, the smart lieutenant, the secret long lost brother, but you're not supposed to know that, but it's very obvious.
Starting point is 00:29:35 That's him going like, he just learned who you're dealing with. And Tomah gives him this look after it's like, what do you mean by that? I understand the like the point of this line in this screenplay is for Andy to essentially be saying, it looks like he's just done some James Bond shit, the likes of which we've never seen. I'll tell you the point of this line of screenplay is so that it can be in the trailer. That's the fucking point of the line of the screenplay.
Starting point is 00:30:08 That's some, that just happened shit. That's like, do you see the fucking, God was called moonfall, right? Do you ever see the bloody trailer for moonfall or something? No. But they had Sam Tali off-game of Thrones. Look directly at the camera and say, like, what are we doing right now? And so on, us goes, we're inside the moon. And he goes, that's the coolest thing I've ever heard. And I was like, shut up. If someone ever says some like trailer shit to me, we're
Starting point is 00:30:38 done. It's on site at that point. Yeah. So Thomas, like, okay, we're fucking clear out their room so we can start renting them again This is how renting works in Britain too Um, and oh yeah, it is I do think it's cool that like the bad guy in this movie is first and foremost at landslords Because yeah, right. I love to hate them and you know, I do think they would all try and do this should if they could um at this point, Rama gets separated, right? With another guy who gets wounded badly, he gets like his ear shut off for something.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Another guy, it's the dickhead guy, it's fucking nuts. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, like, Jhaka and the lieutenant get separated from them. And they have to meet a mini boss. The guy who like bangs his machete blade on every surface he touches. Yeah, first level boss appears in this scene. You get like the little like intro animation of him
Starting point is 00:31:35 walking into the like in the fucking aftermath of the propane tank fridge based explosion. You see him and his boys, brackets machete, just sort of like walking through and just hitting people kind of at random in the sort of mists and you're supposed to go, oh shit. And you know what, fucking fair play to him, you do go,
Starting point is 00:31:55 oh shit. It's pure warriors, you know, with the bare bottles clinking together. But at the same time, I'm just also thinking like, bro, you're gonna chip the blade, you're like bang that and like concrete and shit. You're going to get a big chip in there. You can't. Well, anyway, so it might be using it as a form of echo location, maybe. That is possible. Part dolphin. I think this guy is just like credited as like a mishessy boss or whatever.
Starting point is 00:32:23 So that's right. Yeah, machete gang number one. And so he's about to, he's about to echolocate these cops when 38 minutes in the movie starts and some penchak silat breaks out as Rama carrying his injured friend runs into about 50 dudes, all of whom he takes to pieces. It's an audio medium, it's hard to explain, right? But there's a lot of people get sort of very violently killed here, in a really entertaining to watch way,
Starting point is 00:32:56 not least because he's carrying both, like half of this shit, until he like has to put him against a door frame to go and kill some more dudes. One thing that really stuck with me from this scene is, it's a very leg focused. I don't know if he's attacks a leg focused. Yeah. It's all on the legs.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Everyone's getting stabbed in the leg or sliced in the leg or punched in the leg. It's almost entirely legs. Very straight. It's leg-day. Like one of the first thing he does in this scene is like slam a knife into a guy like right up at the top of the thigh and then just like to the kneecap. He does that like twice too.
Starting point is 00:33:34 He does that like on different guys, you know? That's the worst one. I can't. Oh my gosh. It's very upsetting. And it comes real early as well. Like it's such like... All of these guys have machetes too.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Do they keep them? No, they don't. They're constantly getting like kicked out of their hands and stuff. And he's throwing them away as well. Like, he'll, he'll de-machete them and then get the machete out of the immediate area or kick it off. He's like, for sure, they can't just, you know, like a NPC and a video game pick their gun back up and start going again.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Yeah, and the other thing about this is you go away. Really fucking fast too. Like a lot of this is Edison, but a lot of it's not. And he did, honestly, it reminds me of Bruce Lee more than anyone else. Just like, he even gets a little sort of like aftermath moment where he is like killed the last guy there and he kind of like flexes a bit. And I'm just like, that's Bruce Lee shit to me. And a lot of martial artists have tried to be, and this is the like first one since Bruce Lee
Starting point is 00:34:34 that I think actually achieves it. We get our first ensue thing that occurs like a couple of hundred times in this movie, which is this guy effortlessly dismantles like 50 guys, and then he sees four coming down all the way and is like, I got to go. I got to get out of here. Yeah. It's too much for me now. I'm tired.
Starting point is 00:34:54 I got to go. I got to take a fucking breather. Yeah, he needs like recharge as mana. That's right. That's right. So he like, it's the end of a level. So he gets to the door of the guy who he told Boa to fucking leave alone earlier and it's like, fuck say, could you please let me in? And this guy is, and he like looks over his wife who is sick in bed and his
Starting point is 00:35:17 wife's like, no, absolutely do not. Yeah, but he like prevails on him. The guy lets him in. And what's really fascinating is, well, actually, no, I'll do the machete scene first because Greg's like immediately get like followed in. Yeah, yeah. He gets like hidden in like a little crawl space behind the sofa. And it's that guy just had his cross space. Generating to go.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Yeah, it's like it's that guy just had his cross space generating to go. Yeah, it's like precisely two cops big just in case you need to hide two cops. Yeah, what these nice people are doing renting in crime tower, I'm not sure, but yeah, maybe the right now is just really good. You're like, well, I mean crime tower, but it like, yeah, it's a way, but where else are you going to get this like zone two at this prices, you know, and you get like a nice tense scene as the machete guy comes in, starts stabbing into the crawl space randomly. No, two things. First of all, perfect shot from above right of of machete guy, like coming over the sofa, and it's
Starting point is 00:36:22 from above. So you get most of the room and then you get this tiny little space where you can see the two cops hiding. You can see him approach it. And we get the point of view shot from Marlowe. He's staring at the door and obviously you're being set up to be like, you're watching that door because that's how you know how you're gonna get into that space. So you want it to open, you're expecting it to open.
Starting point is 00:36:42 And then suddenly the fucking machete, like slide straight into view. It's so good. And you see it to open, you're expecting it to open. And then suddenly the fucking Michelle, he like slides straight into you. It's so good. And you see, like, coming towards him, as you like stabs further. Until we get to the, this was the big hit of the scene, which is he's like, he's like stabs right next to his face, like his face is like wedged in place. And he's got like a cut on his cheek from this machete. And at like, at that moment, the guy guy distracts machete guy outside long enough, and he'll get his hand under it,
Starting point is 00:37:10 so he can wipe his own blood off of it on the way out, so the guy isn't suspicious. It's really fucking tense. It's really good. Really solid. Just phenomenal. So, and at this point, we have to do a classic of the genre. You got to do surgery on this guy to get the bullet out. Where Boa has been like shot and this is a great moment with it. They're looking for like a knife or like four steps or something. And the guy has like a cake slice or chopsticks. both just goes like fuck you look again and like clearly an agony.
Starting point is 00:37:48 But so he like he gets the vote of our boss convoressing and then we get this fascinating scene where I would describe this as sort of like it makes sense for a society where the police are in general much less trusted. Right. And where sort of anti police sentiment is much more widespread, where this like every man goes, yeah, you're probably being bribe to do this. Your boss is probably corrupt. I don't know why you're even here. I've seen that detective, the fucking polo shirt guy.
Starting point is 00:38:21 I've seen him here a bunch of times before. So this is some sinister bullshit. And Rama's defense against this is an inverse of a sort of familiar thing, which I can only describe as like, there are a few good apples. Like I promised. Yeah, like what he says is, not every cop is swayed by money, sir. If I believe that, I would have never opened the door.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Right before he's acting on both sides. I'm really sorry. I bet that I would have never opened the door. Right, voice acting on both sides. Really solid. Yeah, I bet that. But like, I really like that a few good apples thing of like, listen, okay, 99% of us are corrupt, right? But not me though, right? So there is still some hope, which I just, I don't know, I really like it. I think we may sort of like find ourselves heading in that direction lately.
Starting point is 00:39:13 So he leaves Boa to converse and he just like exits to try and find his boys. We've established that Rama is kind and he's willing to look after an injured teammate. However, we also recognize that having an injured guy around is not going to be good for a karate movie, right? So we get that guy out of the fucking movie now. Don't worry about him. We'll pick him up at the end. He gets dropped off. And Rama leaves and he runs into the same like four guys that he initially earlier decided were too much for him. And you see him like, he runs away from them and he gets to a door that's locked and you see him enter, okay, I'm going to have to have a fight now mode. He like stands in the fucking corridor and
Starting point is 00:39:55 it's like the bit in Ipmon where Ipmon shows that he's now taking the fight seriously by getting into Ipmon pose. So, ah, beautiful. It's time for Ben Chucks to lot to occur. And let me tell you, some Ben Chucks to lot occurs. This is the fight where I notice something about Ram, which is that he starts, he starts off just like hitting motherfuckers. Like he's just hitting people to start. And then in every fight, there's just a certain point
Starting point is 00:40:24 where he's like, all right, time to start killing. And then after that, he's just like a whirlwind of knives and shit. But like for the first time, he's just punching people. Yeah. And then, but the first kill is always spectacular. And the first kill in this fight is the door thing. The first kill in this fight is the door thing. Oh, the door thing. Ow. No, I don't think. The door thing, he like, a door gets broken and he body slams a dude neck first down onto the sort of like jagged remnants of the door
Starting point is 00:40:59 and then just sort of like watches him bleed out on the door for a second, just like, ooh. What he's slamming even like undersells it, right? Because what he does is he grabs this dude by the head and then jumps backwards pulling him, like stretching when neck out as he goes down and then lands neck first on the shattered like door frame. And it is this raw. It's like, like door frame and it is this raw. It's like, you take a couple of beats just to like comprehend it and then he's right back to the action again. Well, what you have to understand is that that was the most efficient way to do that.
Starting point is 00:41:34 It's not, you know, it wasn't meant to be a glory kill. He wasn't trying for that. It's just that that's the smallest number of moves to take that guy out is to sort of riches Nick. On to a broken door. There's another great character moment too. Like a second earlier than this, which is he kicks a guy like offer balcony where he falls across the landing and lands with his backs and like perfectly cracking on another concrete balcony. And then he runs right he just like he's gotten that guy out of the way and he runs. That guy's mate follows him through the door a second later
Starting point is 00:42:10 and you get like a beat of the guy looking at his friends of like perfectly thrown and snapped enough on this balcony and just goes like, ooh, we shh. Yeah, he's just like, oh, yeah. Maybe, maybe. Don't want to check. So actually, but he does, he gets killed. Because you know, it must be loyalty or landlord.
Starting point is 00:42:35 At this point, he has to like jump out a window and ride a guy out the window down onto a fire escape. And he gets to like, yeah, that's the first level boss. Yeah, that's machete guy. Machete guy who gets killed, that's late. But then he gets like the status effect hurt applied from this. Yeah, for the remainder of this shot.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Yeah. He like stumbles through the apartment. There's like a woman smoking crack there and seeing another woman remind him of his nice woman, it reminds him of his wife. And so he just like stumbles down the hallway and he's like wife, he's like thinking about wife. He enters the wife's reverie as happens to all of us
Starting point is 00:43:16 in times of crisis. He's opening up the wife atrium in his mind palace and he's sort of like looking at the wife contained therein. God, God, what I wouldn't give to go to the wife atrium. It's like the butterfly tunnel at like a zoo or something. No, actually, you can't touch the wives and they will move away from you, but it is very pleasant to be in their presence. They're very delicate, like you don't want to try to touch the wives. No flash photography either, but you know.
Starting point is 00:43:45 That's true. And then he gets like bundled into an apartment and then we go back to T'jakka, who makes a mistake because he gets in a fight and he gets in a fight with Mad Dog and second level boss. Second level boss.
Starting point is 00:44:01 And then he pulls, T'jakka pulls a knife, Mad Dog pulls a gun and Jack a guy and I just like freezes there like yeah I see you've sort of like bested me on this one I've fallen into a popular idiom right I brought a knife to a gun fight but luckily mad dog is mad dog is a video game boss who loves to like set up his own boss fights more than anything. And so while the lieutenant like escapes with some other random cop, Mad Dog just goes, okay, I'm gonna back you into this room with the gun, unload the gun and be like, yeah, I hate killing people with guns, it's boring.
Starting point is 00:44:38 It's like ordering takeout. Instead, what I want to do is beat the shit out of you. And that's what he does. He and Jaka get in the fight and Jaka puts up like a strong showing, but then ultimately gets put in like a sort of a neck hold. And one of my favorite tweets, it's by a Twitter user,
Starting point is 00:44:57 if you're not finding a bill. I know that. And the tweet says, sweet dreams, you piece of shit. I try to snap the prison guard's neck, but instead I just make him look to the left very quickly. And so, Matt, Dr., and Matt Dog makes him look to the left very quickly. We get like a fake out neck twist before the final neck twist as well, the like where
Starting point is 00:45:23 he takes an enormous run up, grabs the head, swings his entire body around it Like he's going around to set a monkey bars or whatever, but then with the effect of just sort of moving him a bit It's amazing It's so agrofatic, but absolutely like no result. Yeah, he just sort of does chiropractic on him on the first try And then the second try he actually does the like next snap, which what? I mean, Matt, Matt dog is a man who simply loves to fight. And after he's already won this fight, he's just like stands perfectly still waiting for the sky to get back up so he can keep fighting him.
Starting point is 00:46:00 But he's like gone at this point. So he's just doing moves that he's always wanted to try at this. And he's like, let's see if I can do the next spin things I wonder if this one works. Oh, it doesn't okay Back to classic Yeah, and then having killed him you essentially like grabs Jack as dead ass corpse and goes I'm taking this Dad asks Corpse and goes, I'm taking this. I'm bringing this with me. Smile.
Starting point is 00:46:25 This is a keeper. Yeah, meanwhile, Andy, there's like brains of the operation in his little fucking next cardigan. His has bundled Rama into a room, and you get the big reveal, oh my God, but they were brothers the whole time. It is not that big of a reveal. There's barely any plot in this movie.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Worth pointing out maybe at this point that Andy kind of nice with it. He's wearing like a very sensible sort of nice shirt, but he's got that kind of covert physicality to him where you're like, oh, he's wearing a nice shirt, but he's also, I think he's, might be a little bit muscular, kind of nice with him. And they have this argument, which is essentially,
Starting point is 00:47:02 my dad sent me to like bring you back from the crimes, stop doing crimes. And Andy doesn't want to because it, much like me in podcasting, this is the only thing he knows how to do. And it's the only thing he's ever been good at. First of all, that's simply not true. Second is, what do you do, brother?
Starting point is 00:47:24 What do you bring to the operations? I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm tells Ram a listen, just try and get out quickly and Ram was like, no, not without my dudes. And Andy's like, okay, fine, whatever. I got to go meet with the boss. So I'm, he meets up with Mad Dog.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Mad Dog is just bringing Jack as corpse with him, which, which Ram is sees and is like, fuck. And then we get this great scene. We're like, Andy Mad Dog and Jack is dead as body are in the elevator. And they have a sort of like competitive henchman chat, which I really like for Mad Dog's like, oh, he's not going to be happy with you. He didn't even bring him one dead guy. I got a whole dead guy. You know, where's your dead guy? Yeah, like the elevator's in Mass Effect 1, that's like having a little chat on the way up. And Andy's like, you know, he's fine, he's
Starting point is 00:48:32 not going to want a dead guy from me. You know, I'm on, you know, I'm sort of, I'm streamlining stuff, you know. But he did want a dead guy, it turns out. Yeah, he gets up there and he's like, where's my dead guy? I mean, Timbro, you haven't brought me a single dead guy. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. You can tell my dog's like, shit, I brought a fucking dead guy. Yeah, yeah, shit.
Starting point is 00:48:56 It's specifically said to you about the dead guy. I'd never be caught lacking a dead guy like that. Yeah, and so his punishment for lacking a dead guy, he gets like stabbed through the hand, like attached to a table and stabbed through the hand. And of course, it's revealed that somehow he forgot that there's fucking sushi TV everywhere. And he's seen him having the whole like brothers chats. And now he's quite peevved at him for the whole brother's thing. At which point, it occurs to me, it's been a minute since we saw any panchak salat. We're about to fix that.
Starting point is 00:49:31 That's right. Don't worry about it. Rahma meets up with the lieutenant and the seller cop and they enter the drug lab for the drug lab fight. And the drug lab fight is the best fight in the movie. I don't want to like, that's my opinion, you know, I think it's the best fight in the movie. I don't want to, like, that's my opinion, you know? I think it's the best one. Partially because there's really good VFX
Starting point is 00:49:50 for like everything except guns in this movie. And it like, the stuff that they've added for like the violence in this. There's a shot in this where Rama kicks a guy in the face and you can see the like sweat spray off the guy's opposite cheek and like fuck real it's so fucking sick too. I always hate to do this kind of move because I end up just like sitting here being like yeah and that was fucking cool and I was fucking cool.
Starting point is 00:50:22 It's a difficult movie to describe in terms of plot pacing. Because as you said, there's none. There's like two things that happen in it. And the rest of it is just like, and then there was about 15 minutes of continuous cool shit that they walked up some stairs into a 12 minutes of continuous cool shit, which was very sick, by the way.
Starting point is 00:50:40 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's very good. It feels like the rate. So six years old and being like and then he kicks him in the face and then kicks him across the table full of cocaine and then and then and then I just keep him all over the gap. I'll tell you why this is my favorite fight scene. And it's for a completely different reason than yours. It's because the lieutenants in the scene. Oh and like and at this point like Garif, well, fuck, we can't just have him just like stand there, do like, see, until the end of the fucking scene. So you get like,
Starting point is 00:51:11 the shots of Rama and also like, random surviving mook, don't get attached. It's like, doing unbelievable panchak slot. And then it cuts across to the lieutenant who is like taking 10 full seconds to pick up a chair and hit a guy with it. Just like, yeah, you're here too. That's nice. The only thing they can think to do with him was like slow but like really strong. So he only has one move which is pick up the nearest piece of office furniture and like crash it on top of a guy. Yeah, he's operating on a sort of Captain Falcon Ganondorf kind of paradigm, whereas everybody else is a sort of star fox type deal. Yeah, it's really good. It's the main thing. At which point, once again, they get separated.
Starting point is 00:51:57 Rama happens across the torture room that they have where Mad Dog is just like beating the shit out of Andy like a punch bag. And Mad Dog sees the opportunity for another boss fight and he's like, okay, now let this guy go, I'm going to fight both of you at once. It's so dope. It's the scene of the last 20 minutes of this movie. And communicated entirely silently as well where he's like holds up a head he's like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah to where and it just sees him and he goes beautiful and just like unhooks, unhooks Andy,
Starting point is 00:52:48 like, winches the fucking hook back up to the ceiling. It's such a nice touch. He's like, tiding up after himself. Yeah, I put it away down. I don't have to put it away later. So I'm just going to do this. Yeah, I'm not going to like give you the opportunity to do like an environmental kill here with the chain.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Yeah, that's going safely back where it belongs. And we get a long fight. And I like the long fights less because we've seen that like one or two of these blows kill someone instantly. And now you do like a long fight scene, someone has to absorb like dozens of them. Yeah, this is also on Final Fantasy Rules where like they just have enormous amount of HP but the mechanics stay the same. So using the same moves, it just takes an hour and a half instead of five minutes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:36 And like Mad Dog tries to do his special move of making Rama look to the left very quickly but it doesn't take. There's one move in particular I really want to highlight from Mad Dogs, which is that Andy has been knocked to the ground as has Mad Dog. And Mad Dog is sort of like perpendicular to Andy. And he rolls across Andy's entire body. And as he rolls past his head, he like elbows him really hard tonight. It's such a like, oh come on, man.
Starting point is 00:54:03 That's not fucking good. Yeah, you like crawl across someone else's body and like, oh come on. Oh man. That's the fucking good. Yeah, you like crawl across someone else's body and like each time you go fast, you're like hitting them with your open eyes too. It's like, yeah. Never, never not be punching someone. That's fucking right, that's right. It really doesn't really good job establishing
Starting point is 00:54:21 that these two dudes were not gonna be able to beat this guy on their own because they're getting the shit kicked out of them. Mad dog even nearly wins. Yeah. He is the star of the film. Like, he's fucking is. Most charisma, best moves, ranked most powerful, similar sort of the same actors' appearance in John Wick 3 where like the whole set up of the scene is like, oh, this guy's way better than the main character. He wins through happenstead,
Starting point is 00:54:48 so whatever. Mad Dog became a meme on the 2011 Indonesian language internet or Indonesian. In the same way that Chuck Norris did, there's a lot of like image macros of him, which I cannot read of him like Advancing towards the camera like he's gonna fuck all of your shit entirely up Which I'm sort of like if yeah, yeah, and Ruyon falls in a pool. He doesn't get wet the water gets Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah He's so fucking good. But in the course of this work and he deserves it, man, he's just, you, you want a guy in the movie that's, that's this guy, you, you just hire him.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Yeah, they put him in a Star Wars movie and they should have put way more of him in that Star Wars movie. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, we're going to do Rogue One. I think he's in predators as well. Yeah, we got to do Rogue One. I think he's in predators as well, you know? In the course of this, he like accidentally breaks a fluorescent lamp by like getting flipped over another dude. And Andy like grabs a piece of the like shattered fluorescent tube and stabs him in the neck
Starting point is 00:55:57 with it. Yeah. And then have you like, oh, that's the killing blow. No, no, because he's idiot. He like, even if he's bleeding to death, right? At this point, Mad Dog is like, fuck it, one last combo. My boy is tapped like a maple tree and he keeps fucking going. Like, he's still fucking swinging.
Starting point is 00:56:17 And he's still nearly went. Dracking his sap and he is like still kicking the absolute fuck out of these. It only stops when Rama is able to grab a hold of the fucking fluorescent light tube and cut his entire throat with it. It's gross, it's horrible. And that's mad dog. And then with five minutes left in the runtime, the movie is like, oh, fuck, we gotta end the movie now. So, yeah, I mean, that's the end of the movie, really.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Is the two of these guys work together to kill like the final boss, and then it's like, all right. Yeah. He's reached Fight Novana. I've just never said I wrote down. Yeah, sure. It's true. The loop sound like Goes in arrests, Thomas. Kills the other cop
Starting point is 00:57:12 As this scene started I began writing the note God I hope nothing bad happens to the one Nameless run in the scene and I didn't get to the end of the sentence Before we get the way you like shoot him, like, oh, he's betraying us kind of, kind of, kind of, yeah. He coped too. And so, so why you kind of like gets Tamma in a headlock and like holds a gun on him and tries to like walk his way to the entrance holding him hostage. And Tamma explains to him, no, no, you, you fucked up here, right? Clearly your boss has sent you here to get killed. And if you come back, they're not going to reward you, they're just going to kill you.
Starting point is 00:57:53 But in the drop, in the dub, in the English dub of this, there's some great fucking delivery because he tells him, what happens if you come back is you get a fucking pillow over your face, huh? Huh when you are sleeping You are fucking done You are out asshole He's doing the end of fucking Willy Wonka race like you did nothing you weren't done You are out I
Starting point is 00:58:28 You weren't done. You are out. I love the cadence of honestly all of that. When you are sleeping is so. When you are sleeping. If you watch, if you watch the raid with the English dub, it's sort of a much worse movie. Apart from the dialogue is way funny. I do like that that scene is just, I'm really good inversion of having like, oh wow, this guy's using his cunning silver tongue to like completely demoralize this man of the guy to just shoot him. Just shoot him right at the face.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Oh, okay, well, Moda suicide time shoots him, tries to kill himself, runs out of bullets, gets arrested by Rama. And then Rama and Andy sort of leave together and Andy's like, yeah, there's not all cops about, there's like a few good apples, you should find there's one good apple cop. But one good cop, that's right.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Yeah, who will help you and who I hate the name of. Okay, yeah, Bunawa. And also, you know, I'm not going with you because, you know, I'm just a crim and you're a cop and that's just who we are. It fits me in my personality and my lifestyle choice. So this is a criminal acceptance, a criminal tolerance movie. You know, it's like, and some people are just, they're just like that, you know, and that's fine. That's good too. It's equally valid. And they part ways and that's the movie, that's the raid.
Starting point is 00:59:45 What a picture. What did we learn from this picture? Penchucks a lot. Pretty good. So fucking good. Pretty solid. So fucking good. Yeah, I don't think it's in.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I don't think my body is capable of moving fast enough to do any of the martial arts, but that's the one I can't do the most. That is the one that's furthest out of my reach. So sort of the gap for me between what I'm sort of least able to do and what I most want to be able to do, because if you if you talk me, yeah, you know, we're gonna like train you to do the fucking like knee stab thing. Like, yeah, great. Okay, when do we start? But I'm a podcast, you know, I have a podcasting physique. Imagine how self-fulfilled and self-actuated you would self-actualize you would be if you were a master of pinch acts a lot being credible.
Starting point is 01:00:34 I just like still podcasting. Yeah. Yeah. Just like setting setting up podcast the same way mad dog sets up fights where it's just like no, no, I don't I don't use I don't use this kind of Microphone that's you know takes all the fun away from them. I'm just gonna yell really loud, you know Man, it's just good like it's just good. It's a he's a great director. I fucking love y'all and Rian. It's just great director. I fucking love Yianru and it's just... He... My beloved sniper team. Oh, sniper team.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Think up to sniper team, I think. That's the take away from this, is in a world specialised in melee fight. Being a sniper is really good. Yeah, be a sniper. It is the lesson from this. Are we rating this one? Is this like a mainline thing or is it a bonus? What do we think? I mean, we could give it a solid go at rating it. Yeah, all right. I mean, it doesn't... We have a science-based system on this podcast. On scale of like one to seven, it's called the scum system. Sounds for a small cultural insensitivity. Unprovoked violence and misogyny. sensitivity on provoked violence and misogyny. How how how smarmy would we say that the movie the rage reduction is zero.
Starting point is 01:01:54 No, I do. I think I think they call me double a seven on this one. Yeah, zero cultural sensitivity. How the fuck would I know? Zero. Zero, I got the imagine. Yeah, maybe it's colorist. I don't know. I mean, there's like one carbon jet into it. Much darker skin than everyone else. I didn't think we'd be breaking it. No. I, there is every chance that this is, you know, Indonesia through the eye of a Welshman that we are seeing. But this is interpreted in some like really fucked up way, but yeah, don't know enough about it to have any of the cultural insensitivity. In quest for luck for me to state.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Underbubble you down there. 27. Promote violence. They try to arrest two men. Everybody else gets fucking killed. Right. There's one guy at the beginning who gets woken up by like two cops pressing duct tape over his mouth, having sort of like Alice first date experience. And that's it.
Starting point is 01:03:05 Everybody else is getting stabbed. You know how badly the first guy we see who gets like pulled off the chair. Yeah, is that a little grotting? Is that not? He's like, well, I mean, okay, I've forgotten he got a grotting. Okay, not that guy. Just like, look at his totally grotted gorgers. Like, you're fucking next.
Starting point is 01:03:25 And they might have just struggled in. We don't really see that. We just see the backwards movement. You could be right. They don't, they also don't like transport anyone out because their truck gets taken anyway. So like the guys who they like zip tied, they're just like lying in the floor.
Starting point is 01:03:41 It's in there. Presumably Andy's gonna go around to just like untie everyone at the end of it. Oh, you want to be careful doing that. You want to get one of the sort of special castes worth. Anyway, no, you don't. Yeah, no, it's fine. It's fine. You get a cool story out of it. Unprovoked violence, 27.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Misogyny. Misogyny has got two women in it. One of them is perfect because she's a housewife and pregnant and the other one's smoking crack. That's pretty fucking Missoginiistic as far as I'm concerned. We do also have the third woman, which is the good guy living in crime cities, wife, who says, how you don't help that cop. Oh, yeah, yeah. She's right. Okay, that's pretty good. Yeah. I think this firmly represents three kinds of women. That's true. I think we can say that. By introducing a third woman, it's complicated. The
Starting point is 01:04:31 paradigm of women sufficiently for me to only give it a sort of like a three out of seven. Making this an even first question mark right. You're not. And our first question mark right. I would like very much to award a Kauffman starter to the sniper team for who explore each other's bodies. Beautiful. What have we learned from this? What can we say to conclude this? What can we possibly say? Check your corners, stay frosty out there. Lock your door. Yeah, if you're in Hedgehog. Learn Penchexalat. Learn Penchexalat. Learn sniping is the other thing. You want to get on that sniping career track because even the management career track isn't safe.
Starting point is 01:05:22 The sniping career track. The best way to punch a man to death is from 200 yards away with a sniper rifle. You have a little bullet on the shank. You know what they say, right? If you want to get rich in a gold rush, cell picks and shovels, if you want to get rich during a sort of a martial arts fight, bring a sniper rifle. That's right.
Starting point is 01:05:42 Remain sort of 500 meters away. Ben, thanks so much for coming on. I made my final conclusion and then we'll ask you where you can find additional Ben. To me, I watched a lot of this kind of movie. I watched this quite recently. I watched a lot of Hong Kong action films. I watched Hong Bak, Wai Tai Warrior, which also fucking rules on back two actually is better. I watched Triple R, and I think I can conclusively state that every culture on this earth is united with an absolute love of seeing dudes kick the absolute dick out of each other.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Yes. And I think that if we all came together and made one final action movie that we could attain World Peace. Now, what I'd like you the listener to do is I'd like to go back, transcribe that word for word, engrave it on a big marble slab and have it taken to the lobby of the United Nations where it can replace their charter. This is how we're going to do world peace is by making the ultimate action moving. And you know what? Steven Segold's been trying to do that for years. And do we give him any credit for it? No. I think you're sort of positing a world in which we attain
Starting point is 01:06:56 pure harmony through the Kumite as depicted in blood sport where every nation sends a fighter to a secret tournament. Why can't we just get along? Should do Bloodsport too. Yeah, we've got to do the warriors. Oh my god, that's a perfect movie. Can't do it. But not Bloodsport too.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Bloodsport too is not a perfect movie. Ben, if the people want more Ben, where can we find you? I live in the suburb of Auckland Flour in Brisbane Brisbane post code 4066. You can find me around there most days. I am also on the podcast, Buntavista, and we do an episode a week about news that is not interesting enough to have gone viral. It's pretty good, I think. Sometimes some of the episodes are pretty good. Yeah. Big fan, you should listen to Buntavista. You should also listen to us because we got a patreon as well Which is right?
Starting point is 01:07:48 Costing money again. So that's right. We're closing that paywall back down motherfucker You that's right like four months of free bonuses. I think all my energy bill and I was like turn it back on so We can only be kind for so long Yes, so our next bonus episode is Pedro Mordivall. That isn't all about my mother. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. Good night, brother.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Earlier today you were talking about wanting to do a different. Yeah, God, what was I talking about wanting to do? It's not important. No, it's end of watch, but I won't do end of watch. We'll do that. Meantime. It's end of watch, but I won't do end of watch, we'll do that. Meantime, thank you for listening, fuck off. Thank you for listening to yet another episode of Kill James Bond. Abby, obviously, couldn't be at this one as she was busy in New York City.
Starting point is 01:08:44 So we have to take matters into our own hands, which means that this is not part of the typical bonus free scenario. The next episode is free one, and then after that will be all about my mother, unless I can convince Alice to change her mind again, which I think would be very, very funny, but it will be quite difficult. Obviously, as this comes out on the 22nd, 23rd of February, next week, it's March and that will be the end of the banquet of forgiveness. If you would like to continue receiving bonus episodes after now, you are gonna have to let me see that green.
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