Knowledge Fight - #634: July 11, 2003

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to get a break from Alex's current day chaos. In this installment, Alex discusses his defiance-based politics, takes calls with PJW, and laments how his free speech is being infringed by local radio shows not letting him call in to argue. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jude. Oh, indeed we are. Dan Jordan. I have a quick question for you, sir. So what's your bright spot today? My bright spot today is we didn't have an episode on Wednesday and part

of the reason for that was on Tuesday, I got my booster. Oh, I got boosted. Yeah. And I guess the bright spot is no real side effects to speak of pretty smooth. I had a little bit of a sore shoulder situation going on, but I was worried that there would be severe side effects because I'm like vaccine skeptical. No, no, but because I went to a Walgreens to get the booster and I texted you about it. It seemed haunted. It's not good. Something was wrong. There was a bad vibe in this Walgreens. I went in. There were too few people. Wait, where was it Walgreens? Which which one? It was in uptown. It was a little ways away. Are you kidding me? Yeah, that Walgreens hasn't been there for 10 years. Yeah, I couldn't get one in a like close to me. I had to make a

little bit of a trip, but like, yeah, I there was like, there weren't enough. There weren't enough people in there. I don't know what that means, but I definitely felt it. Shoppers, staff, everybody, there's just not enough. Not enough. Not enough. The lighting was wrong. I don't know how you can wrong light a Walgreens. It's just bright. The area where they had people go to get the shot, the little back office room. Yeah, looked like a holding stuff. There's drips coming from the ceiling. One lights cutting in and out all the time. Yeah, like other Walgreens that I've been to in my life. I've been to pharmacies. You know, I've seen the area where they have like consultations and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or even CVS minute clinics. Sure, sure, sure, sure. They kind of

have an aesthetic that feels comforted. Doctor's office. At least not a lot, but at least doctor's office light. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This looked like a biohazard. Anyway, I was worried I was gonna have some effects and I didn't and you did. Everything was fine. Now I'm just worried you didn't get the right vaccine. I might not. You are immune to malaria. That's for Dan, sure. And yeah, so what about you? My bright spot, Dan, is the teachers have gone to remote learning. My partner, of course, is a teacher in the CPS. And what's bright about that spot is that when they went to take a vote on whether or not to say fuck you to the administration, we're gonna go remote and let the chips fall where they may 88% voted yes. And that is bananas strong for the

for the teachers union in Chicago for 88% to agree on something means goddamn everybody was like, this is fucked up. So I'm very, very proud of all of them for doing that and nobody breaking the goddamn line. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. So yeah, so yeah, that's my bright spot. Congratulations. Yeah. So Jordan. Hey, guess what? It's our anniversary. It is our anniversary five years. Yeah, that's right. Yep. That sounds about right. Entering year six. January 7th was the first episode of the show back in 2017. Right. And so it's our beer, beer, beer anniversary. Yeah, combining that with the fact that we're recording this on the anniversary of January 6th. You know, we would was our first episode recorded on January 6th. Not even the fifth might have been the fifth,

but it could have been. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure. I don't remember what not had to have been. I think it had to have been the sixth. Yeah, I think that I was very much even from the beginning, like we have quick turnaround. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of just the way I've always operated. Yeah. I think that means that the two most important things. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I mean, there's the one that happened. That's an interesting take on it because it's better probably than the take that would be that we caused. It would be better than that. We, we, uh, per saged the psychic. There's a psychic connection between the two of them, perhaps. Uh, so I kind of combined a bit of this in my, in my head and in my emotions,

and I combined this with the fact that, you know, on our last episode, just Alex was trying to quit real fucking having a real bad time real rough. And I turned on the fifth January fifth episode and I started listening to it and he just shows up 14 minutes late and almost immediately has Mike issues and decides he's got to go off air. That's perfect. And so I'm like, I'm fucking tired of this. What a perfect distillation of the show. I'm so tired of this shit. Um, and so I decided we're going to go back to the past. So today we're in 2003. Okay. Now get this. What's that? We're going over the episode that played on July 11th, 2003. Okay. Right. Sure. But when was it recorded? Jan, uh, July 8th, 2000, 2003, three days difference.

So I told you that we had skipped the eighth and the ninth in 2003 because the audio was unlistenable. The 11th is a rebroadcast of the eighth and it's listenable now. Get the fuck out of here. And I would just say fuck it. They had their chance, but this is the episode where Paul Joseph Watson comes on a very young Paul Joseph Watson and he's promoting his book. Uh, and so I decided, let's give this a whirl. Um, so anyway, it's our anniversary. This is for me. I don't give a shit. I'm not covering the present today. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with that. I'm going back to the past and I figure that like there's going to be something for the sixth, you know, like something is there's going to be Trump has his, uh, rally that's happening today. Sure. There's

going to be something that is going to be wild and we'll cover that on Monday. I hope so. Yeah. I mean, wait, no, I, I hope not. Okay. For, oh, you know what? Let's just do today. All right. So we'll get down to business on this, but first, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Lydia and all her gay frogs. Thank you so much. You're an aisle policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Lydia. Thank you. Next. I'm Alex's swollen neck. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. This, this person was Ben, but the way they phrased it in the message was, uh, Ben, if possible. And so that's what you're now a policy wonk. Ben, if possible. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. Ben, if possible. Thank you. Next, Reba Martini. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Reba. Thank you. Next. Sable the chunk forever now a wonk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Sable. Dr. Little goat. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Dr. Little goat. Thank you. I wonder where you are. There's a little goat. I don't know. I don't know, but I want to be my psychiatrist. Isn't that one of the names of the restaurants, the goat series of restaurants here in Chicago? There's like the girl in the goat. The girl in the goat. That's a little goat might be another one. Is it? I think there's a bunch. Good. There's a bunch of

restaurants with goat in the name. The chef? The woman who dealt? Amazing. Amazing. So before we get down to business on today's episode, I wanted to quickly touch on a piece of news that was breaking since we recorded our last episode. On December 30th, a man named Thomas Apollo showed up at a clinic in Tustin, California and attacked people who were working there giving out vaccinations, accusing the people of being murderers and that they were making people sick. According to an article in the Washington Post, quote, families together said that the members sustained serious injuries and was sent to the hospital in an ambulance, but that both workers are expected to make a full recovery within a few days. Obviously, given the publicly available information,

I can't sit here and tell you that this guy was a fan of Alex or that that was part of his inspiration. But honestly, I don't even think that that's an important aspect of the story for our purposes. An attack like this was inevitable given the extreme quality of the rhetoric that's flying around in the conspiracy and misinformation circles. You can't try and convince a large group of people that vaccinations are an intentional plot to kill their children and not think that some of them are going to take the next logical step and try to attack people providing vaccinations. Even Alex knew that, which is why he was building up this narrative in advance, as we saw last week. And they're going to stage terror attacks and

they're going to do everything else and blame us. Do you understand? They will say on the news that my followers blow up the Pfizer building or something like that. And I'm saying, of course, don't do that. But I mean, I know, I know, I see over the horizon, I know what the enemy's next moves are. We've talked about this a hundred times in the course of doing this show, and it's clear why a person like Alex would behave this way. His entire career has been made off of profiting from tragedies. So I don't believe for a second that he's not rooting for tragedies to strike. At the same time, when tragedy does strike, it's good for business to make sure that the audience doesn't start to question whether or not the media they're digesting is part of what's driving these tragedies.

Having a prebuilt story in place so the audience blame someone else is critical, and that's why Alex is doing this kind of thing. I just want to take a little moment at the beginning here to point out this very clear dynamic, this this cycle that's in play and granted Alex is talking about like the bombing of a Pfizer building or something, which is a bit of a more extreme example. But I don't believe for a second Alex wouldn't say that this attack of this assault of people at a vaccine clinic wasn't a false flag. It's exactly what he was priming his audience to deny is real. And that's of course why you use the example of blowing up the Pfizer building, because that's that sort of like hyperbolic straw man that is, well, see, you think that they would

go blow up the Pfizer building, not just go fuck around with this place over here, which is more likely to be what they do. You go near home. And like the blowing up the Pfizer building, if that's like your prediction and like of like these are the terrorist attacks, then you kind of have like everything less than that covered. Exactly. You don't have to be like, well, you didn't say that. Your prediction wasn't that extreme. Right. Right. Right. Right. So yeah, I find I find this, I don't know, shitty. It's just the inevitable consequence of allowing this type of shit to faster. That's just what it is. So in the same way that we've just decided that this is how it is for so many different things, I guess this is just how it's going to be for

conspiracy. I mean, it's one of the reasons why we talk about like why a lot of this rhetoric and these these kinds of propaganda disseminating structures are dangerous. Right. This is why. Right. Because these are the things that come from it. Right. And thankfully, I mean, I hate to say this because I mean, it sounds minimizing and I don't mean it to, but thankfully no one died. Right. And thankfully it was an assault. Right. Not like a shooting or or a bombing. Right. Right. But it's still these are the kind of these are the things that happen. Yeah. So let's go back to 2003 because it's more pleasant. That is a great sort of it's not all that pleasant though because Alex is going to have Paul on. Yeah. Hello ladies and gentlemen, it is Tuesday the 8th of July 2003

big show for you lined up today. In the first hour, we have the webmaster of prisonplanet.com joining us. He's Paul Joseph Watson. He lives in the United Kingdom. He has a great head on his shoulders for analyzing the New World Order and covering and posting pertinent facts and tracking their lies and doing daily flashbacks to show how they put out different propaganda almost on a daily basis now. We'll also talk about his upcoming book and though we're not offering it yet and yes, I'm publishing it order out of chaos. Talk about a powerful name. Well, it's a powerful book and it's lengthy. Hearing that clip that you know it's announcement that Paul Joseph Watson books being released. I realized that I'd never actually read that book. I knew that he had it. I was aware

it existed, but I never really felt any real interest to to get down to it. I got the sense of what it was about, you know, from the title order out of chaos. Like I knew this is just going to be about the conspiracy idea of the Hegelian dialectic. So I decided in preparation here to give it a read, but ultimately it didn't bring up anything that Alex hasn't talked about on the show already. Everything is a false flag, but it's done by the elites in order to increase their power. You know the drill. Yeah, I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to discuss the specifics of the book, but I realized that about 10 pages into it, I had six pages of notes explaining the things that he got wrong. So it felt like this is too big of an undertaking for just a normal episode. That's

going to require a reset wars kind of situation. Yeah, maybe another day I'll record a 13 hour breakdown review of Paul's book, but that day is not today. Not today. Interesting fun fact though, this is the only book that appears to ever have been published by AEJ Productions, which of course stands for Alex Emerick Jones. Alex's own book 9 11 dissented to tyranny was published by a different company called the Progressive Press. This is a publisher that's put out a bunch of books written by Alex's buddy Webster Tarpley, but also books written by Henry Macau, a dude who is a staunch Holocaust denier, and a dude who really just doesn't like the Jews at all. He recently wrote an article titled quote the riddle of anti semitism anti semitism is in quotes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would have, I would have expected scare quotes around that one. Yeah, if you think it's not great, you're correct. Here's how it starts quote anti semitism is growing as the COVID scam is correctly identified with organized Jewry, Freemasonry and communism. I'm going to sap you right there. No one can justify genocide, but the stigma attached to that there's no but devious mind control, but there's no but anti semitism is legitimate resistance to the pernicious agenda of organized Jewry and Freemasonry, i.e. the New World Order bananas, bananas. A little later, he drops this gem quote, most Jews and non Jews are unaware that sense antiquity Jews consistently have been reviled for a good reason. Jews are in a state

of willful denial. They don't realize that Judaism is governed by Kabbalah, which is Satanism. The existence of Judaism is to take God's place, destroy Christianity and dispossess non Jews. So these are the ideas that he has expressed on a recent basis. But trust me, if you cruise around his website, you'll see that he's had this position his whole career, dating back to when his books were published alongside Alex's. He's also been friends with Leo Zagami for a bit. So that's fun. I, you know, it's not something that we talk about too often, but there is that element of genocidal rhetoric that always includes the like, and lest you worry that you can talk to them or even communicate with them. They don't even know. They can't even

understand that they're working with the devil. So don't worry about it. Don't worry about communicating with them and asking them any questions because they can't. Yeah, you're not, you're not going to be able to get to the bottom of this by investigating it or your experiences. No point in talking, no point in doing anything. Yep. Anyway, back to Paul's book. If you read the dedications, he includes this quote, thanks to Alex Jones for awakening me to the New World Order and publishing this book. Man, Paul can't even rate the dedications to his book without lying. In a 2013 interview with Luke Radowski from We Are Change, Paul said, quote, don't tell Alex it was actually David Eich that woke me up. Liar. Wow. Paul didn't have an identity

of his own back in 2003. So it's good practice to flatter the person who's willing to advance his career because it certainly wasn't David Eich at that point. But by 2013, Paul's in a much more secure position. He can give it up to his real intellectual father figure, the turd and the punch bowl himself, David. Yeah, that's something that I'm amazed that someone would admit openly. Honestly, I would prefer to have been woken up by Alex as opposed to David Eich. Well, we'll see if there's a third figure in play as we get through today's episode. All right. Okay. So Paul's going to be coming up on the show, but there's another guest. We've got Catherine Albrick, the head of Caspian, coming on the show. We had around a few weeks

ago. You know, we were talking about RFIDs before RFIDs were cool, as they say. The small, trackable microchips are going to go in all your clothes, all your razors, all your food cans and containers, everything. And we told you it was about a control grid to tax and trace you. Well, now Caspian, their organization has basically, I want to say, hacked, but used software to get into internal areas of the big RFID consortium's website and got secret documents. And the RFID group admits they're accurate and are very angry. And they talk about how they want to quote, manipulate, neutralize, pacify you and get you to accept the cashless society control grid. I'm really curious about how this isn't hacking. Whatever

he's describing. No, it sounds right. I have no idea. It's hacking. Sure. I mean, well, in 2003, that's hacking. I'm really confused on the specifics of this. All right. So Captain Crunch, when you use a slide whistle into the payphone, all right, you can mimic the sounds and then you make calls for free. Oh, sure. Hacking. Right. Right. All right. Phone free. Phone free. Yeah. So first of all, the notion of putting RFID chips in all your clothes to trace you is a fear that probably shouldn't be taken seriously. Is it conceivably possible with the technology? Probably, but what's more important is if it's a practical plan that any evil entity would go for. The hurdles to this kind of scheme would be gigantic. And some of them are

pretty much insurmountable. Even if they knew what shirt you bought to trace you through, how would these folks know if you gave that shirt to someone else as a gift? What if they're trying to trace you, but unfortunately put a chip in the pair of pants that you don't like that much, or maybe you grew out of? These are just behavioral concerns, completely leaving aside the absurd technological problems of isolating individual signals that would be coming in if all people's clothes are tagged. No, you also tag the gift receipts. So that way, if they return them or give them away, you have its contact tracing. Wow. But then somebody's got to figure out how to transfer the tag from the gift receipt before the person throws away the receipt.

Well, that's why you need a hacker. Yeah. So this is 2003 though. And the iPhone hasn't come out yet. Right. So I would imagine that this sort of like they're going to track you through your clothes, narrative, dropped by the wayside once the iPhone showed up and gave it better. Isn't that really funny to go back and be like, guys, a few years later, you would beg them to track you. You will wait in line overnight for them to know exactly where you are at all times. Or like a couple of years later, they probably felt so relieved. They didn't have to do this nonsensical. They're going to track your shirts. Oh, thank God, it's all in one device. This is so much easier. What am I going to do? Tell them about their shoes?

Jesus Christ. So Catherine Albrecht is a radio host and a demagogue whose big claim to fame is like being on that RFID train real early. And apparently she coined the term spy chips. Good for her. Which when I read that, I was like, I don't even recognize that as a popular term. I've never heard of it. Nope. Nope. So she began this organization, Caspian, which sounds a lot better than what it stands for, which is consumers against supermarket privacy, invasion and numbering. This is a group that advocates that stores shouldn't have frequent shopper cards or loyalty programs. And then it kind of moonlights a bit by fighting off the RFID chip as the mark of the beast. I love this group. I do. I listen. I want more innocuous

lunatics. None of this anti back stuff, anti loyalty programs. I'll fucking join that group. I'm against it. I'm sure there's a way it could go bad. Maybe we haven't explored it too much enough to figure out the exact way. I'm down for it. I'm not giving Walgreens my phone number whenever they want me to get a sent off. Fuck that. Jokes on Walgreens. I still have an account in my old phone number. I'll see you in hell. Yeah. So Alex is trying. I think that he has a bit of a ambivalence about some of the information that might have been gotten by these spy chip people because the hacking issue. Right. Right. And so he talks about like sort of good hacking and bad hacking. It's great what the technology people on the side of liberty are able to do.

It's like when Orrin Hatch came out and said hack anybody's computer and destroy it if they download anything that's not authorized video audio. Well, folks just went to hatch his website found out that he had pirated software. He'd used pirated software to build his very fancy expensive website. So there were thousands of dollars. Just one piece of software that they'd stolen cost $400 a serious crime. And so the organization that went in and scanned his site and found the doubt that they didn't have the proper serial numbers for the stuff and stolen it. They're now calling for Hatch to be arrested. And I think it's a great idea. He's a gun grabbing un-American liberal and I'm sick of neocons like him. I don't feel like Alex really wants Hatch

to be arrested for downloading things that doesn't see. I think he wants it to be arrested because he's a he disagrees with Alex politically. I'm going to go with piracy is not maybe it's just an excuse. Yeah, I get a feeling. Yeah, that Alex wants to arrest political enemies even back in 2003. Yeah, which is cool. It's great. I think it's a good idea to find any excuse to only attack your political enemies. I think that's awesome. Yeah, we should arrest this guy. He's a liberal. Yeah, exactly. What? Fine. So Alex, Alex has this this tension back in 2003. And that is like I'm on air. I'm talking totally interesting stuff. Sure. I'm not. Not stop. But off air me and my boys who are here in the studio. We have even more interesting and

informative conversations. You know, I've said it so many times and it's true because you're calm, you're you're happy. At least some of the time during the breaks, we have discussions that are much more entertaining and interesting and informative than we have on the air. And it doesn't matter. I'm doing real talk radio on Saturdays with John Stapp Miller of I'm doing a show with John with Michael Trudeau or if I'm just talking to Mark and Matt and Chris and people during the breaks, we were just trying to one up each other during the last three minute break with who bought the most fireworks and who had the best mortar shells and cannons before the BATF comes and gets me. That's what they call the big tubes

you buy that, you know, shoot the professional fireworks. And I was bragging that I got a special deal because one of my friends runs a fireworks stand. So I got them at cost. But by the time we got off, I got done rattling off the different fireworks we had bought. I believe that Mark and Matt have defeated me. They actually got more fireworks than I did. But talk about informative conversation. That's good shit. Yeah. They argued about who had cooler fireworks. I mean, who? This is quaint. I I'm blown away by the stakes here. Right. But it's still a dumb show. Very, very. But it's it has it has this vibe of like we're having fun. Me and my buddies are talking about fireworks. Yeah. Not the fuck it. I quit every I mean it's weird.

It's weird. It is hard to go right back to a more, I suppose, discrete past where three bros can just get together, complain about or compare fireworks in a, I don't know, non metaphorical dick measuring contest. And also this is such a fun topic for them to be talking about because Alex's entire show is about like police oppression and all this police state nonsense. And it's illegal to have fireworks in Austin and no one cares. No one cares. Please don't oppress you with your fireworks and your cannons. You're just begging for them to oppress you for it. But no, it's people turn a blind eye because it's understood. Yeah, I mean, what are you going to do? Well, stuff up on the front. It's fucking America. You're going to lose your hand. It undercuts

almost his entire sort of ideology, at least a large portion of it and an unspoken agreement between power and not so can't happen in in Alex's world because they're looking for every opportunity to jam you up, especially if it's your political ideology that is in need of being a jammed up. And if your political ideology involves combustible, whether it's a gun or a fire. Yeah. Yeah. If they're so obsessed with taking away your guns, you'd think cannons would be a little bit up there. You'd think so. Yeah. Turns out, no, they're not. Okay. Anyway, you know, Alex, I can relate to what he's about to get into here. Sometimes loses the fire for his job, you know, sometimes loses the fire can't can't get enthusiastic about what he's

doing. Sometimes I run into that. Sometimes I run into a wall where Alex keeps quitting his show and having outbursts. It's a little bit difficult. I lose the fire to talk about it. It's the same thing over and over again. It really can. But Alex has a tried and true method for getting that fire back. And I kind of admire this. You know, sometimes I get tired. Sometimes I just for a few seconds will lose the fire, the will and the desire to get on the radio and to do interviews morning, noon and night and to do my own syndicated show. And I sometimes lose the fire to make a new documentary film. Or I lose the fire in my belly to sit there for hours every night reading news stories on the news wires. But I always get the fire back if I just turn on CNN or Fox or if

I listen to talk radio. And yesterday, I went over to news talk 1260, a WNX, the great affiliate that picks up my show here in Austin. And I drove over there met with the great folks. We talked about the New World Order. People shared news stories with me. I had a great discussions with them. And then I get back in my car and I'm listening to that station. I flip over to see what the other station is doing. And stuck in traffic. I listened to 30 minutes of the host saying that every child needs vaccines. It should be illegal not to take vaccines. Everybody should be forced to take all the new vaccines is on the other station. And how wonderful the vaccines are and how there's all these conspiracy theorists that think vaccines are bad for you. And so I said,

you know, I'm going to call into this station. And of course, everybody knows my voice. And I can successfully call into some local stations if I call in and go, Oh, yes, I'd like to talk to the host, please. You know, a lot of folks talk like this. Alex, is this you? I can get on the air. Yes. So Alex, whenever he loses the fire, he listens to other stations to get pissed off. And then he calls in using a dumb voice. Man, the fire is just anger. That's so sad. Well, I think it's probably pretty obvious by this point. Right. Not really a revelation. I mean, just anger. Sure. Just anger. That's what you need to get the fire. Never, never, nothing else. But he needs to be poked by something. And sometimes people aren't poking him. And so he needs to poke himself right.

Right. Right. He's like slapping himself in the face. Like, I gotta get up for this. Get amped. Yeah. Yeah. So he tries to call in doing this dumb voice. But sometimes this doesn't work because I can't believe it. Well, not because people are like, Hey, this is Alex. But sometimes it's just like call screeners don't want to put him on the air. Of course not. And this I think is a problem for the Constitution. And the call screening is what do you want to discuss? And I said, Well, I want to talk about, you know, of course, in the fake voice, well, because they know it's me, I won't get on the air. Well, I'd like to discuss bring up that he said there's no dangers of vaccines. It's admitted that SV 40 in many of the vaccines, not just the polio vaccine,

Alex, you can't even keep the voice answer causing virus. They admit it's caused all these new forms of cancer. This is admitted by major medical establishments, University of Chicago. He goes, What else? And I said, Well, I said, autism's up 2000%. And some of it could be misdiagnosis or more diagnosis. But a lot of it is has been proven to the additives of the vaccine. They've admitted that George Bush had the vaccine record sealed and tried to sign an executive order and then passed a law that got repealed. By the way, I didn't tell them that part. Last year, guarding the vaccine makers. So I said this to him. And of course, I had something cogent to say, and he said, Nope, I'm sorry, we're not going to let you on the air. And I said, Why not? And he said, Well,

I just don't agree with what you're saying. And I said, But it doesn't matter if you agree. It doesn't matter if you agree with what I'm saying, sir, I'd like to chance to talk. He said, Nope. And I said, So there's no free speech on this station. I understand. I'm not talking about news talk 1260 KW and X talking about this other station owned by the president's family. The president from Austin will just say that that by the way, just got sold a big conglomerate. They've always been totally new world order neocon, you know, liberal stuff on the slide. They're owned by Democrats. So it's owned by Bush, right? But it's not because it got sold to a conglomerate. Sure. Or what? Yeah, what are you talking about? I if I'm this call screener,

I'm not letting this dude on the air either. I appreciate many parts of this call screener. Sounds sinister. I appreciate how it's somehow a slimy call screener, which I did not know existed like a like a jafar of call screeners. These call screeners are on a power trip. I have many plans for my eventual screen calls. Sure. I'll let you on the air, but you must solve a riddle. Second, clearly the patients with which that call screener listened to Alex, both in and out of his accent, because I very strongly doubt he could keep it up for that. Sure. Consistent like the time. So that call screener definitely heard Alex drop it and then repeat it in the in the voice. Yeah. Still managed to get through the whole thing. Well,

even asked a follow up question. What else dumb dumb? I have a spoiler for you. What's that? That call screener interaction didn't happen or at least it certainly didn't happen like that. No, I am. I will guarantee that. What else? But if I were, if I were a call screener and I were trying to run a professional program, I would not let somebody on the air who's just going to clearly try and derail things with nonsense conspiracies that we don't need to. We've gone over a hundred times. Yeah, no, of course. And that does sound like something you would say, because you hate the Constitution and the founding fathers who died for your right to go on any radio show whenever you want to say whatever you want. Right. That's that's what it's about. It's freedom

of speech. First amendment, the number one amendment. Well, I think it's I think it's really revealing that this is his understanding of the Constitution and what free speech means. That radio stations must let you on air. Benjamin Franklin got to post his dumb shit in a newspaper under a fake ass name. I get to call into WNPP and say bullshit. But what if like they can only take six calls and your call or eight or whatever? I mean, I don't understand. I don't understand how that is even possible. Right. So dumb. The second amendment was about abolishing time limits. So dumb. Yeah, but like he really means this. And so I say to him, I said, so there's no first amendment on your station. He goes, that's right. And slam the phone down. So I didn't get on the

phone. Call three or four people, including my wife. He wouldn't let any of them on every caller. But one, I mean, they probably took 15 calls, said it's bad. Everybody should be vaccinated. It's wrong. People are cooch. Couple things. I'm going to guess that most of those four people didn't actually call in. I'm going to go ahead and throw that one in the pot. Yeah. Alex, they didn't let me on. I tried to call three times. Yeah. Second, Alex saying they took 15 calls and one of them was like someone who was opposed to vaccines. So that kind of hurts his argument that they weren't letting anybody on. Wow. Maybe they just had like, I'm not going to let someone on who's spouting bullshits. No, I'm not going to let somebody on who knows what they're talking

about. I want somebody who's going to make those people look stupid. Sure. Free speech though. Yeah. Cool. First amendment. Very, very interesting. I would say that for somebody who loves the Constitution is a, someone who would die for the Constitution is a First Amendment absolutist. Absolutist. He doesn't know shit about it. Well, I mean, just because he believes that that station, because it disagrees with them, should be taken off the air forever by the federal government doesn't mean he doesn't believe in the First Amendment, Dan. It's just outrageous. Yeah. So he was talking about vaccines a little bit there and that's certainly relevant to our times. Sure. Even going back to 2003, Alex is at a very strange position because he really

desperately doesn't want to be seen as anti-vax as a whole because that's admittedly very dumb. Yeah. It's trying to say that like inoculation to things doesn't work is a really tough climb. Yeah. Denying the actual science of vaccination is that's a game that Alex doesn't want to play. I mean, when your conversation goes like this, vaccines don't work. Do you have polio? All right. So they work sometimes. Then you can't be all the anti-vax. Let's look at all of the numbers of diseases that have essentially been eradicated. Yeah. Let's go down the list. Well, okay, fine. Well, they worked back then. Right. Whatever. I guess that's one angle you could take, although it'd be tough to figure out what exactly is different. And so the game that Alex likes

to play is like, I would love it if vaccines were cool. I would love it. Totally. But evil people make them. Oh, no. Right. Vaccines, if they were produced properly by trustworthy organizations, not eugenics, obsessed Nazis, publicly funding extermination programs worldwide against the third world and being caught doing it for the vaccines, official government plans, Australian, US, Canadian, British to do this. We didn't have all the reports, the mercury and the micro plasms and the cancer viruses and the weird hormones and the UN getting caught sterilizing women with a tetanus shot that a hormone added. I mean, this is all admitted. But yeah, we have companies that can be trusted in four or five groups independently tested the vaccine lots. And

yes, vaccines can be a good thing. You can get yourself an immunity. But there's no substitute for being healthy. Boo. So I'm not talking about like these specific things that he's bringing up and rattling off because they're all things that we've discussed in the past. And it's all nonsense. But I think the crowning nonsense is this idea that there would ever be some kind of an organization that is trustworthy enough for Alex. Totally. They're like, Oh, yeah, the vaccine did. They're great. You know, like, Hey, look, all of the all of these other companies and scientists and public health, non-governmental organizations, they're all fucking eugenicists trying to kill everybody off. But this one, they're the good guys nailed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. No,

it's what we need is a patriot vaccine maker. Such a fucking trap because here's the here's how exhausted you get with them. And that's why they win. That's why they've won for the past 30 years or 40 years is they will say anything. And then you go, Okay, fine, fine. What does it take for you to just shut up? Okay, you want to do if you're your organization, fine, you give us rules, and we'll fucking do them. Just shut up. Well, I need my dad to run Pfizer. And then you're like, Well, what the fuck is this shit? You're just never going to shut up. Are you? I've already agreed to do whatever it was to tell you to shut up. And now you won't shut up. What the fuck am I supposed to do? My dad needs to be in charge of Pfizer. He was a dentist. There's no way to make you shut

up. There's no way to make you shut up. He was a dentist. God damn it. That means he can run over the vaccine company. Doesn't make any sense. All right. So we're going to put him in charge. All right, fine. Second in command, Mike Adams, the health range. Well, obviously, he was our second pick too. He gives gives a lot of great advice. Yeah. Third, of course. Let's get a weirdo. Let's get a real weirdo. Yeah. I don't know. No rules. Just a real weirdo. Everybody votes on the weirdest weirdo we can find. That's number three. Who's nuts? Elected position every four years. I don't know. Lord Moncton. Get him in there. He's a climate change denier, but he's strange. Fine. Shut up. So the problem that Alex has really is that the

globalists, they're trying to make more and more vaccines mandatory. And we've got a government that's trying to make dozens of new ones every year mandatory. In fact, it was an article last week about how they want now a whole new class of shots to be given. They're talking about making an anti smoking vaccine mandatory. They were talking about making a Alzheimer's vaccine mandatory if they could get approval that it killed a bunch of the people that took it. So they backed off. There was a Alzheimer's vaccine candidate that was in trials in 2003, which unfortunately did cause some serious side effects. And the trials were abandoned. I say unfortunately, because follow up studies of people in those trials found that a quote halted and even reversed the brain

disease in some who got the shots. Obviously, there are severe side effects. And if you know, that's the case like it was in this case with 18 out of 300 patients getting brain inflammation, it may not be something that you can justify going any further with. But the idea that there was some promise for a cure there was really exciting. Anybody who's had a loved one at the Alzheimer's could tell you that it's a pretty hellish prospect or it can be and a vaccine would be huge. The lessons learned from these trials informed further research and it's still ongoing with a new trial beginning in late 2021 for a nasally administered vaccine that looks to slow the progression of the disease. There's, you know, there's prospects. There's things that are happening. That's very

exciting. Sure. There have been nicotine vaccines that have been developed, but a 2008 article in the journal expert opinion on biological therapy, it discusses the state of these vaccines and it found that quote, although these therapies have had some success, relapse within a year is still high. So it's not really a strategy that people think is like, this is where we're going to go. I think one of the big problems that we have with vaccinations is that like easy slip into like, oh, these are mandatory vaccinations. The way we should sell it to people is with like, hey, guess what? We're going to eradicate a disease this year. I don't even think you need to go down this path of conversation because they're like, first of all, there's not anybody who is a

serious voice in 2003 advocating that either of these vaccines be mandatory for people to take. That's just not a position that happens. That's a fake point Alex is creating to argue against because these specifics help embolster this idea that every year dozens more vaccines become mandatory, which is nonsense. Right. And I don't think we should make them mandatory. I think we should all come together and eradicate the disease together. I think if that framing is what you want to use, that's great. But also you need to know that the federal government doesn't require any vaccines. That's a state level issue, which is why the ability for people to get various exemptions for things like school related vaccines, it varies wildly from state to state.

The federal government and all the entities like the CDC, they just have historically given recommendations on what people should be getting. And then if states want to require you to get a measles shot to be allowed to go to school, then that's up to the state. This is all a load of bullshit that Alex is throwing out in order to intellectualize his anti-vax position. Crazy. Now, the idea with what Biden's doing with the vaccine mandate is slightly different in the current day. But I don't think that you can make an analogy between some of these things like measles or mumps and rubella shots that some states require for people to go to school and an active pandemic. There's a little difference.

I think that there are relevant differences there. But what Alex is complaining about in 2003, this notion that the government is trying to make vaccines mandatory, that exists on a state level. And based on Alex's politics, he should have no problem with that, even if he's opposed to these vaccines, because the states get to choose these things. And if you don't like it, you can move to another state. I'm not saying that that's a good answer to things, but based on Alex's politics and his positions on other things, that's what he should believe. It's almost like this whole separation between federal and state government is arbitrary based upon whatever it is he feels like his position should be at any given point in time. You bet. And also, he has to pretend

that it's not a state thing. He has to pretend that it's the man and the federal government is trying to force you to get these shots because otherwise this argument falls apart. It's just so unfair. That's unfair. You should have to look if a mandate happens, you get to play that card. You can't just play a joker. That's not fair. There's got to be rules to the game. You can just make up it's a federal thing. That's unfair. I don't like it. Well, that's what happens when you deal with liars. Yeah. So Paul Joseph Watson. Hey, PJ Dubs. Is it going to be the Apostle Paul shows up? Oh, no. No, he's not heavily edited because this is 2003 and this guy's not ready for prime time. Yeah. He has not figured out his thing. But Alex gives him quite a long

introduction that I think is really dumb. Now, Paul Joseph Watson, I became aware of his work a couple of years ago when he started propaganda matrix.com. And I don't work with a lot of people because a lot of folks get off in the conspiracy theories. They're leftward leaning. They're rightward leaning. They're not constitutionalists. All right. Go fuck yourself. I don't work with many people because they're conspiracy theorists. Get the fuck out of here. Also, don't work with people because they're not constitutionalists, but you work with Paul. He's British. Yeah. Yeah. That's because he loves the Constitution so much. Alex has already revealed he doesn't know what the first amendment is and now he's talking about a constitutionalist

who lives in England. Yeah. It's the best place to be a constitutionalist. Deal with the British issues, Paul. Come on. They don't even have a constitution. All right, whatever. So anyway, Paul, the intro goes on. Most Americans now have heard the government carried out 911. Many Americans have investigated it and found out that it is in fact the truth. And just like Galileo was a cook for saying the world was round just a decade later after his death, people, most people knew that it was round and you were a cook to say it was flat. So joining us is another radical. A man who believes the world is round and believes the sun comes up in the morning and believes government is corrupt and needs to be watched and contained. Paul Joseph Watson. Paul, thanks for joining us

from the United Kingdom. Oh, well, Alex, great to be on the air today. You bet. You like that introduction? Yeah, very good. You better watch what I say. Oh, you're doing a great job. Hey, today on the show we've got British Galileo. You like that introduction? You like that one? Give me compliments for complimenting you. Yeah, I nailed that, right? That was, I was so good. So I was amazing at introducing you. Yeah, so good at it. So earlier when we were discussing the dedications of Paul's book, we mentioned that he's given two different stories about who woke him up at different points in his career. Now, in this interview, he might have another third. I teased this. Okay, he has a third individual. All right. Paul, tell us about briefly how you

woke up the New World Order. Why you started your website, what we do at Prison Planet. Then let's talk about the news coming out in England and the death camps, the national ID cards, the gun confiscation and, uh, yeah, coming out England with a police state there. And then I want to get into the weapons of mass destruction and 911. But first off, what woke up to be clear? We'll get to his answer this question first. They do not get into death camps in England. I was going to say, did Blair oversee death camps that I wasn't aware of at the time? They do not come back to that at all. I was very curious. That needs to be addressed. Yeah, that doesn't happen. What turned the light bulb on in Paul Joseph Watson's brain?

Well, it ties into something you had discussed in just a few minutes ago, actually. The idea of paradigm management or paradigm control. Basically, I woke up to the New World Order by realizing that both left and right were controlled because originally I got into politics in the first place through the liberal channel, basically. Then I started to read some books which proved that both the left and the right were controlled, especially in relation to the biggest example that we can provide, which is the Cold War. And obviously we know the work of Anthony Sutton, who's done a great job. Now deceased, sadly, but he did a great job in exposing the fact that the communists were actually funded from New York by the Capitol.

So part of the thing that woke up Paul was the realization that the left and the right are funded by the same folks. And that comes from him reading the work of Anthony Sutton, and he was worked generously. Sutton is most known for writing three books known as the Wall Street Trilogy. Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution is about Wall Street funding Communism. Wall Street and FDR is about funding FDR. And Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler is about funding of the Nazi Party. Though exciting and full of insinuation and rumor, these books have been absolutely trashed by historians who have reviewed them, with one summing up the Bolshevik book this way. Quote, he tells us nothing new. He does repeat unsubstantiated allegations, cite

irrelevant facts, make unwarranted conclusions, and record it all in an appallingly pedestrian style. I had to throw that appalling in there. None of the three sources that Paul has cited as being the source of his awakening are in any way respectable. David Ike is a lunatic, Alex is a narcissistic liar, and Anthony Sutton's work is critically flawed and boils down to unconfirmed conspiracy nonsense. So I just think this is bad. I mean, it doesn't get more Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, though. That's a pretty solid trinity right there. So this is bad though. Who's the who's the father? I'm going to go with David Ike. Yeah, Ike. The son is Alex and then the Holy Ghost is Sutton because I assume he's dead.

Yeah, Sutton. Paul just said he's dead. Yeah, exactly. So there we go. Yeah. All right. Yeah, Alex would probably buck at the idea of being the son. Oh, come on. You get to be Jesus in this situation. But he'd be the son to David Ike's father. Oh, the turd in the punch bowl. It does make sense for him to be the son of a turd. But it also it's it's interesting to me. I don't I wonder if in 2003 if Alex had that same negative opinion of David Ike because I know that by, you know, periods around like 2009, 2010, he was having David Ike on. Yeah, a bit. Yeah. And they had sort of had some sort of detente. Right. I think I think that's tough because, you know, as a bipolar person, I like to keep a mood tracker to know if I'm going out of out of whack,

you know, and Alex has that relationship with David Ike. I feel like on a day to day basis, it's like, like him, don't like him. He's an eight today and he's a two. You know what I'm saying? How far have things gone afield? Exactly. It depends on what your opinion of David Ike is. Day to day. Yeah. Yeah. So Paul, Paul has a little bit of a primary source to bring up about this idea that all, all people are controlled by the same parties. All right. And I've got just recently found an article which hasn't been online for anywhere that I've seen. And it's way back in 1959. And it's from the Wisconsin Daily Journal. And it the title of the article is cause love leaving California for chilly Detroit. And it's an associated press article. And it goes on to

explain how Cosloff, Romanovich Cosloff, who was cruise chess right hand man, was invited in 1959 to Bohemian Grove. Obviously you're listening as a well aware of Bohemian Grove. And the quote in this associated press article is that he was whined and dined by the Capitol. And actually it's stated that into the first day of his trip saying business will be good is the quo. And he was obviously discussing this with the Capitolist. So we have cruise chess right hand man at the height of the Cold War meeting with New York bank is that Bohemian Grove. So it is true that Cosloff was a Bohemian Grove in 1959. But here's the question we really need to be asking ourselves. If newspapers were reporting on the fact that a Russian guy was a guest at Bohemian Grove in

1959, how secret was this whole thing really? Did Alex really do anything to expose the grove to the world? Or was it something people reported on freely like 20 years before he was even born? You can find an article from 1959, even in the New York Times about Cosloff's visit to the grove, which according to Alex's mythology should absolutely have never happened. They were trying to keep his shit under wraps. No, they made a mistake this one time. And then 40 years went by and nobody knew they were desperately trying to pretend it didn't exist. Never happened. Didn't. So little known fact to folks who listen to Alex Jones, actually the land the Bohemian Grove sits on was originally part of a Russian colony that dated back to 1812. Fishermen had attempted to

form a foothold in America, the Russians, and they formed a colony. It was a huge bust, though, as competition from other colonists led to the decimation of sea otter populations. And the Russians ended up withdrawing in 1841, selling off the land to Johann Augustus Sutter. Sutter would go on to find gold on the land and strike it rich. Oh my God, those dumb Russians. So the grove is on part of this land, which is, and one of the big tip-offs to this is that the river that's there is actually called the Russian River. The Times article about this even includes the lyrics of a song that they sing at the grove called Lament. Here's some of the lyrics. Quote, why did the Russians leave it and go back to the snow? Why did they leave this bit of heaven?

We'll never, never know. This New York Times article has lyrics of things that they sing at the grove. There's some inside shit in this article. Newspapers used to be more fun. But the access that's clear, this is written by somebody who was there. You're telling me sea shanties from the Bohemian Grove. Yes, I get it. This is silly. In 1959, there was this article that's like a pretty in-depth discussion of stuff that had gone on there, which completely runs counter to Alex's idea that like, oh, people would have to look in with binoculars in order to see. There were still like five or six more years before Nixon would show up and get a handy. So, you know, it's still not secret yet. That's the thing. Anyway,

look, the conflict between the US and the Soviet Union, particularly in times around 1959, was one that we needed diplomacy to handle. They were our enemies on some level, but there was also, there wasn't a state of outright hostilities. So the idea that a politician like Kozlov would be on a diplomatic visit to the United States, which he was, and while he was here, he'd be invited to the Grove. None of that seems weird at all. I guess for Paul though, it serves as proof that the US and the Soviet Union were just faking the Cold War. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So what's, wait, I don't understand. What's diplomacy? You get like, the person that you're in competition with or even at war with and you'd like talk to them. I thought war was about totally eliminating

the existence of your enemy, Dan. It's mostly about screaming. Oh, okay. Well, that's better. I think that's, that's one of the things we've learned from Alex over the years. That sounds about right. Yeah. And I mean, you can even find in the, the, the Department of State, their foreign relations journal, you can find like a long transcription of a conversation that Kozlov and Eisenhower had. Yeah. And it's just, I mean, it's diplomatic. How you guys been doing good? Yeah. You go fishing a lot. We got this song. The Grove people sing. It's depressing. It's great. It's, it's all about how you guys are fools. We miss you, but also we've got your gold. And yeah, they, in that New York times article, there's also like a conversation about how

he was very impressed by the, the vineyards in California, but also thought that the Russians could teach them how to be more productive. Great. Which is ironic because he ended up being thrown out of office for being a drunk later on. And then a Brezhnev took over again. That's why you got to be like Alex and be your own boss. Right. Yeah. You can't have the, you think Putin's getting thrown out for being a drunk? No, sir. Uh-uh. So Alex gets into some conversation about this, this like left and right thing. And I honestly think that this is a short clip, but it's one of the most revealing things in order to understand Alex's politics. And then conservatives see liberals against a war. They know the liberals are bad, so they think,

oh, the war must be good. Again, that's how paradigm management works. When actually Bill Clinton wanted to go into Iraq, Bill Clinton went into Serbia. Bill Clinton went into all these countries too, but they were for it then, weren't they? Who's they? I mean, there were plenty of people on the left who were opposed to wars under Bush as they were under Clinton. Name one American war that the American left has stood up against and like name one, like what? Vietnam? No. Well, we'll get into Korea. Definitely not. We'll get into some ideas about the opposition to the Vietnam war a little later. Desert Storm? Never. I think that Alex is trying to play games here with the appearance that like under Clinton, the left didn't oppose the war. And maybe some people in office

didn't. Maybe some of them fell in line, but in terms of anti-war activists, people who, you know, they had the same position. Yeah, it's unusual to see fascists on the picket line trying to stop wars. So also in that clip, I think you see one of the most universal hallmarks of Alex's politics. He sincerely believes that everyone makes decisions on what to support or oppose based on what the people there against think. If my villains are in favor of something, it must be bad, so I'm against it. If my villains oppose something, it must be good, so I'm all about it. Alex believes that other people think this way because that's how he thinks. The difference for him is that the enemy he has is completely imaginary, and their preferences are just things that he's decided he's decoded

from reading headlines. Through using his psychic intuition, Alex has figured out what the globalists are in favor of, and this is what he opposes. Everything for him is based on this kind of thinking. The globalists want people to be vaccinated, therefore there must be a conspiracy involved, and vaccinations are evil. The globalists are interested in conservation efforts and worried about climate change, therefore that must be a conspiracy to further some other nefarious aim. I was thinking about it, and even his support of gun rights could be seen through this prism. There isn't anything intrinsic about owning a gun that Alex supports. His staunch gun rights position is rooted in a belief that disarming the population is part of the plan that the globalists

have to take over and institute martial law all over the world, to have a one-world government. Sure. The only way to fight back against that plan that is totally 100% real is for everyone in the world to be armed. But let's imagine the inverse. What if the prevailing attitude among politicians that Alex didn't like was that everyone should have a gun? It's pretty easy to see how Alex could spend that form of support of gun rights as being conspiracy to get everyone armed so the population kills each other off or triggers mass violence. Yeah. If the globalists supported gun rights, then the only way to try and subvert their agenda would be to be in favor of decroning gun restrictions so you don't make their evil plans come to pass. Well, I mean, you don't want

Antifa getting guns, the 100% real group that is going to attack and kill all Republicans if they have guns. So you have to be for some measure of gun control there, right? I think so. Yeah. I think that if you really wanted to get down to it, almost every bit of Alex's belief system runs at least through this filter and it's very fucked up. Yeah. When you base your principles on doing the opposite of what you think your enemy is doing, nothing you believe in really means anything. And my point is that nothing Alex believes means anything. Yeah. Even his religious convictions could be seen as him trying to do the opposite of what he imagines his enemies want. Like he pretends that he's fighting literal demons who want to destroy Christianity. So being the

opposite of that would basically just being a cartoonish version of a religious person that he presents himself to be on air. Yeah. Like almost everything could just be oppositional. Yeah. It could just be he has a massive dose of oppositional to violence disorder that has combined with his narcissistic tendencies to create a human devoid of originality. But it's the oppositional defiance that's targeted specifically at imaginary positions that he's ascribed to his imaginary enemies. Right. Well, that's his narcissism. Right. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of interesting. It is. It's a little bit like he's created a black hole of personality that just absorbs whatever comes near him. But it also seems

like a really efficient way to torture yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bummer. So anyway, they go to some calls. Calls with Paul. Paul calls. And here's one of them. Peter in Florida. Peter, you're on the air. Go ahead. Yeah. Hi, Alex. Thank you. In line with what we're talking about right now, I found something on the Hegelian dialectic. It's interesting. It says at about the same time that Hegel was passing from the scene, Karl Marx caught the revolutionary fever. He drew heavily from Hegel the dialectic and pure boss materialism. He picked up where the other philosophers left the discussion. But with a twist, he scornfully stated the philosophers have only interpreted the world in her ways. The point, however, is to change the world was

to become the warp and wolf of Marxism. In the Marxist interpretation of reality, God had to be abandoned. Alone in the universe, man was to fill the vacuum left by religion and materialism. Yeah, the communists basically were just the front for the bankers to con the people back into feudalism and served them. They hung a label of a relation on it and then funded it and then con the masses. Okay. So this caller is reading from a blog post from 2000 written by a person identifying themselves as a San Diego police detective named Philip Wart. It is possible that this is a real attribution because I can find multiple news articles about cases involving a detective in San Diego by that name. But even if that's the case, this isn't an article that you should be

citing to make any actual points. So I found the blog post and it's actually a screed against community policing and how that's just a Marxist conspiracy. If you read through it, it seems like a really significant problem that this police detective has is that people are raising questions about whether or not the mode of policing that's become the norm in America was sufficiently sensitive to the concerns of diverse communities that they're supposed to be policing. What am I supposed to put my boot on your throat? What do you fucking want now? Yeah. Honestly, it just seems like San Diego accent, by the way. Not bad. Thank you. This just seems like a dude who's really pissed off that the concerns of white Christian men aren't the only

factor that matters. And that means that he must have uncovered a communist plot. Yeah. That's basically the long and short of that article. I mean, if a detective walking a San Diego beat doesn't discover a communist plot, I'm shocked because that is communism city over there. I've been to San Diego. I've walked communism everywhere. San Diego chargers, chargers, charging credit cards, credit cards, centralization of money, trying to get rid of the physical dollar, put electronic currency, communism, RFID, right? We're there. Exactly. So apparently, I don't know. There's a lot of things that you could probably say are communist in nature. This is a little bit of a swing here, I think, though. I mean, you were talking about the fireworks ban earlier, which is,

again, sort of a communist sort of law, you know, big government. And we might hurt somebody. We got to ban it. Oh, we got to have a satellite tracker box in your car if it saves one child. Yeah. So yeah, fireworks bans are communist. What isn't communist? I would like a fucking list. I mean, for, well, for them, everything wants them to sit down and give me what isn't communist. Yeah. So one thing that apparently is communist, according to, I mean, I can't tell you what isn't. Honestly, I mean, again, no, I'm struggling. But according to this interview, one of the things that is is acceptance of homosexuality. Oh, damn it. The major point for this is the moral decline of society. You can go to the 45 goals of communism and fine. And this was entered into the congressional

record. And then number 25 actually states that present homosexuality degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy. The UNESCO saying the disease terminated, but it's okay to say heterosexuals are a disease that should be terminated and call us breeders. So this is being presented as if it's something that has any credibility. But in reality, if you go find out where this list of 45 communist goals was read into the congressional record, you'll find that it was representative of her long from Florida and the comments are introduced this way. Quote, Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of DeLand, Florida is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the DeLand Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting

the public to the dangers of communism in America at Miss Nordman's request, I include into the record under unanimous consent the following current communist goals, which she identified as an excerpt from the naked communist by Cleon Scousen. In 1963, some woman in Florida sent her representative a passage from Scousen's bullshit, and he read it into the congressional record. So now we're expected to take it seriously. I'm not going to play that game. So along with the rank homophobia Paul is expressing in this list, there are some weird things that exist in Scousen's list that I'm curious about. Number 18 is, quote, gain control of all student newspapers, which seems like a dumb goal. No, you got it. I was

involved with my campus paper in college, and I didn't even take that publication seriously and didn't at the time gain control. We must occupy the student newspapers of all the colleges across this land. It seems like a waste of time. Number 35 on the list is, quote, discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI, which seems like something Alex is very interested in. That's pretty cool, you know, finding a place where Alex and the commies can find common cause. Yeah, I mean, discredit seems like you've already got your work done for you. So just take them down. Number 42 is particularly relevant to today, quote, create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition. Alex loves to talk about watering the tree of

liberty with the blood of tyrants. And he's been pretty clear that, you know, even though January 6th was a false flag, even if it wasn't, it would be fine because the people were there and they had a right to do an insurrection if they disagree with the election results. Yeah, Alex is sounding more and more like a comic. He's a fucking commie. I'm telling you. Anyway, this is a fake list written by an anti-communist shithead that was read into the congressional record. It's meaningless, except that it allows Paul and Alex to lend credibility to their homophobic conspiracy nonsense. Yeah. Yeah, that list is real bad. It has the same problem of those books that are like 101 ways to surprise your partner with, you know, every day. And then they run out

of ideas where they're like, take a bath and you're like, anybody takes a bath, man. What are you fucking talking about? The idea that they're trying to convince Americans that insurrection and violence is part of that's our fucking birthday. Every July 4th, we're like, hey, it's illegal to have fireworks. But guess what? The Austin police don't give a fuck. I've got a cannon. That's the game. So, you know, we got this. Paul believes that acceptance of homosexuality is in and of itself communist conspiracy. Sure, of course. Communists were up to so much more that conveniently fits in with making Paul's bigotry not look quite so much like bigotry to help out. And then you look into who's pushing all this, who was the financial backer behind

feminism, and it's the same names crop up again and again. Gloria Steinem in one of her own books admits that this magazine was funded by the Central Intelligence Agency, and she was an active officer. This is mainstream books are one of her own books. She admits that Central Intelligence Agency officer. So the CIA did have involvement with Steinem, but Alex and Paul are really overreaching here. Gloria Steinem was involved in the CIA as part of her efforts to recruit left-leaning youths to go to a Vienna conference being held by communists who could effectively debate the communists about the virtues of America. She did this as the head of the Independent Research Service, a CIA funded outfit at Harvard. Steinem wrote about this

experience in her book, My Life on the Road. Alex honestly should totally support her work with the CIA, since the goal of it was to disrupt events like this Vienna conference that were seen as being communist propaganda. Yeah, it was supposed to discredit and then eventually dismantle the Vienna conference. Yeah. Ms. Magazine wasn't founded until 1972, which was a bit later than this, and the magazine itself wasn't funded by the CIA. Also, Ms. Magazine is not the initiator, nor the most important aspect of feminism. I mean, there was a bit of it. It was a political magazine that was directed towards women and interests women, so it's not unimportant in the history. I mean, as we all know,

feminism began somewhere in the 70s. 72. Yeah. This is a really reductive view that Paul and Alex are taking, and it's because the goal for them isn't to assess facts and report information accurately. They're invested in attacking and discrediting feminism, so every supposed fact needs to work in service of that predetermined endpoint that they're engaged in. That's all they're doing. It's really stupid. Yeah. I mean, the most kind of soft misogyny there is just that idea always of like, well, there's no way they could come to the independent conclusion that they're being fucked over, so they're obviously backed by a financier who's tricking them. Right. Well, I mean, it's essentially what we have here when you're blaming the CIA and commies

for essentially the acceptance of homosexuality and feminism existing. What you're doing is saying that without these nefarious actors, straight white men would rule everything, and that's the rightful way that things should be. And not just that, but everyone would accept it as obvious, as self-evident that straight white men should rule the world. If it weren't for the machinations of commies and the commies that work in the CIA. Of course. Yeah. It's ridiculous. We really get down to it. You know, every day I wake up and I look at the stars and I'm like, obviously, white male hegemony. Right. Obviously. But look, Alex wants to be clear. Yeah. Women can work if they want to. Well, can they? Well, let's not go crazy. I mean, this is a 42nd clip,

and Alex is a little unclear actually. Well, yeah, I mean, if a woman wants to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist, I'm sure she can do a great job as good or better than a man. The point is that and they tried to brainwash women to do this, but their instincts, what their desire has switched back against them. So the government's panicking. All these professional women now want to make money early so they can go be mommies at home and enjoy that incredible thing that God's created. But the CIA came in, it's admitted, broke up the family so they'd have women working in factories so they could have a higher tax bracket, the taxes at higher levels, so the kids would be in the daycare centers and the head start getting their vaccines, learning how to turn

mommy and daddy in for owning a gun. Yeah. So women working is also a plot of the CIA. Right. But they are capable. They can. Right. Should they so choose, but they wouldn't. If it weren't for the communists, women's natural instincts would override the government's desire to make them work. Right. I mean, yeah. If it weren't for the commies and the CIA, it weren't for the fucking commies. Women would understand that they're supposed to be dependent and, you know, it seems so. And I'm going to listen. I'm going to. I'm going to just throw this out there at you. It seems like to me that the commies that are most often referenced by the anti-communists have nothing to do with straight white men, despite the fact that at the time of

Russia, when the anti-communists were supposed to be fighting all straight white men, all straight white men in Russia, all straight white men. So their enemy was all straight white men. But the communist enemy was the one who's trying to derail white male hegemony. Right. I think that Alex could actually thread that needle. You think so? Yeah. I don't think you'd have a problem with your rebuttal. Okay. All right. I really don't because based on his chauvinistic worldview, right? He would say that yes, there is a straight white male hegemony in Russia and they're trying to undermine that here. Right. Because they know that weekend. Right. So the straight white male hegemony is inevitable. It's just a matter of whether the commies or the

capitalists are running the straight white male hegemony. Right. Because it's being undermined as an attack here. The commies are doing that here and then will crumble and then the Russian straight white male hegemony will take over here. So almost ironically, they are admitting that all of the minorities of America are the deciding factor in whether or not communism or capitalism will win. That is interesting. I haven't unpacked that, but yeah, perhaps. So Alex talked about this whole defiance politics. And like I told you would get back to it as it related to the Vietnam War. And this is so stupid. Again, conservatives would have been against the Vietnam War, but they would hire beatniks and many of them known government agencies are now public folks.

They would come into a town, sped on people, break windows, act like horrible beast, and then the conservatives would go, well, this war must be good. These guys are, you know, out here doing this. And those beatniks later became conservative talk shows like Michael Savage. Oh, yeah, I forgot you guys still hated Michael Savage at this point. Conservatives would have loved Martin Luther King Jr. If the CIA and the communists hadn't hired a bunch of black people to go wreck everything in white neighborhoods. It totally would have happened. Conservatives would have fucking loved Martin Luther King Jr. If it weren't for the fucking communist. I just think that what Alex is describing is conservatives being really dumb. And I honestly

don't think they were even as dumb as Alex is presenting them to be. Oh, I would be really insulted. Yeah. The notion that like your support or opposition of a fucking war would be dependent on the behavior of beatniks. Well, if beatniks were more polite, I would have been against the Vietnam War. You would have to be so detached from the actual issue that you're supporting or opposing. Yeah. Like you would have to have no feeling about the war itself. Right. You would have to have no principles, no convictions. The only thing is like an aesthetic distaste for the people who oppose it. Well, I don't want to be associated with them. So I will oppose. Right. That's horrible. No, no, no. If a beatnik comes to your like bar, okay, and then you've got a little

bowl of nuts and you're drinking your beer and the beatnik knocks the nuts over. Do you think to yourself? Well, obviously we should burn down villages in Vietnam. It just makes sense. It's just there's no other conclusion to come to. I mean, this is like a sort of tired example on our show, but it's one of the few things that I think Alex and I agree on. And that's the, you know, cops and civil acid forfeiture. Right. Like I hate Alex. I think he sucks. I think he's one of the worst, but I see him opposing civil acid forfeiture and my instinct isn't to be like, I must be four. Oh, you've got to be for the cop stealing things. But that's how Alex's brain works. It is. It's so dumb. If he finds out that you're against cops stealing things, I think he

might be. I actually haven't heard him talk about it in a while. He might have gotten there on his own. Yeah, that's possible. You might be for that now. Cops should steal things. I think the best thieves are the cops. So they mentioned Michael Savage and his beatnik past there. And Alex talks, I didn't realize this, but Michael Savage's show on NBC or MSNBC actually got canceled in 2003, fairly around this point. And so Alex discusses that here. I know the beatniks later became conservative talk show hosts like the Michael Savage, who says that anyone that, yeah, and you notice then in the redefinition, he gets fired off MSNBC. We're saying something about a group and engaging in the First Amendment, but nobody, but it's bad to talk about the homosexuals,

but not bad to say, but anyone in a forced labor camp that disagrees with the government. So I just real quick want to play for you what Michael Savage got fired for definition by Black Star. It is not how damn it. It's what Michael Savage got fired for. Okay. This is Michael Savage. Let's go to a caller. If you have an airline horror story, give me a ring right here on the Savage nation. Go ahead, please. Did you have a worse case than this one? Hey, Michael Savage, pleasure to speak with you today. I was flying out of LaGuardia and there's two undercover security guards. Somebody was smoking in the bathroom. Someone was smoking in the bathroom. Unbelievable. Okay. What happened? Half hour into the flight, I need to suggest that Don and Mike

take your because your teeth are all right. All right. So you're one of those sodomites. Yeah. Are you a sodomite? Yes, I am. Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die. You pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you consume me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down your piece of garbage. You got nothing to do today. Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get Trichinosis. Okay. We have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bath house is angry at me today. Huh? Get me another one. Put another sodomite on. No more calls. I don't care. Let's go to the next scene. I don't care about these bums. They mean nothing to me. Yeah. So let me first amendment. So he got kicked off for what?

Yeah, that was, I mean, that's a particularly distasteful presentation that I don't know if Alex understands the First Amendment. If government had done something in response to him being horribly homophobic, right, and abusive to this person on air, then I think you might have some kind of a First Amendment discussion, but he did something on a live show that was incredibly awful and against the standards of the station and they fired him for it. That is not a First Amendment issue. No, that sounds about right. Alex just thinks you should be able to say whatever fucking shit you want. I guess. I mean, I got fired for asking for a raise. So that's different. That's, that's, that's my free speech. That's different. That's my free speech. I should be

able to shit on that guy's desk. It's very different. I'm not sure how, but it's different. I find it really fascinating to go back into these points deep in the past and just see this completely infantile understanding of something that's supposed to be a bedrock issue for him. Yeah. Yeah. It's not surprising, but it's kind of a bummer. If it is, if it was at all something that he valued, it would be different. I think what he values about it is actually that it's been applied in such a way to his life that he can get away with saying anything that he wants. Well, no, the value, I think, I think that you're getting to something, but it's the value isn't the actual First Amendment. That would be a principle that he wants to have the credibility

of supporting. The principle that he actually has is I don't want consequences for saying horrible things. I don't want people to actually accurately judge what I put out into the world and you have to answer for it. Like Michael Savage shouldn't have to answer for saying horrible things. He shouldn't have somebody fire him for this thing that they obviously wouldn't want to be associated with. I mean, ultimately, First Amendment, it boils really hard down to just like, I don't want to feel bad for the things that I say and I should be allowed access to every platform or whenever I want my First Amendment. Exactly. Exactly. That's nonsense. That's not good. So Alex does a little plug for one of his films. I thought this was just actually really

funny. Alex is a master of raising the stakes. Okay. It just covers so much, folks. It's my longest film. It's two hours and 40 minutes long. Okay. Frankly, two hours and 41 minutes. I finally really timed it out. You need to get 40 minutes too long. I love that. It's two hours and 40 minutes. Frankly, it's two hours and 41. Just so you know, it's two 41. Listen, I'm a true tip of the fucking spear here, man. I'm not going to lie to my audience and say it's two 40 when it's actually two 41. That's amazing. You know what? Actually, I'm going to call it 181.3 minutes. That's what we need to call it. So Alex, take some more calls, some more Paul calls and this guy, this guy worried me. Randy in North Carolina, Randy, you're on the air. Go ahead.

Sir, to all of our friends in Rhodesia, Australia, you know, all the rest of the country, sir. All I can say is, you people are trying to tell people who don't know what is going on, what is going on. I'm totally completely behind you there. Sweden, Norway, yeah, good. Play the music. Just going to let him keep going, huh? Really? Where do you fucking think he's going? What in God's name? I'm enough to find out where you go with this. He opened with Rhodesia. Randy, you might be on to something.

You're naming a lot of countries with something in common. I don't know where you're going with this. I think I've listened to a lot of Alex Jones in my life. I've listened to a lot of calls and I am flabbergasted that he did not interrupt him once. Not once. That guy's that guy's verbal pattern is very slow, meandering, easy to interrupt. Yeah, he took a meal out of Ireland. That seemed like a choice on Alex's part not to interrupt him. And the only thing that I can see in there that would be like, well, why wouldn't you interrupt him? He started with Rhodesia, which was not a thing in 2003. Not anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They renamed it white conda. And it's, yeah, it's, it's a signal to white supremacists or nationalists. Oh, yeah. And so

the not interrupting him when he's not saying anything and rambling is a bad sign. Yeah. Hey, he said Rhodesia, so he's probably got something I want to listen to. He doesn't actually end up saying really anything. Yeah, that's not surprising. He just wanted to say how great white people are. I guess. Yeah. So Alex gets another caller. And unfortunately, this doesn't lead to a protracted movie review. Let's talk to Wyatt Marilyn. Wyatt, go ahead. Hey, guys, pretty good. Good afternoon. Listen, the Independence Day that came on the movie with Will Smith. It's a complete Illuminati new world order movie. Is it? You have a common threat that global destruction by an outside enemy. And then the United the entire world unites to defeat it.

Also, there are there are the movie is completely carrying something right now with the special effects. If you still frame it frame by frame with Illuminati symbolism pyramids that are all through the movie. Stay there while we finish up on the third hour. Man, I don't. First of all, what? Yes, the world does band together to fight off the aliens Illuminati style. I don't know because everyone bands together under the United States. Like our way in is still everybody who contributes to actually defeating the aliens right are American. Sure. Jeff Goldblum. Right. Will Smith. Right. But here's the Paxton Pullman Pullman. Yeah, not Pullman or not Paxton Pullman. What you're not understanding here, though,

is that this guy has been proven right. Okay. How is it possible for neither Will Smith nor Jeff Goldblum to become any less attractive this many years later? In fact, I might argue that Goldblum has only become more attractive in his Silver Fox years. You know who's real sexy, though, Hirsch. I don't know. I think I think this is dumb. I mean, once you got Robert Losia in your movie, it's clearly Illuminati. What? This is a dumb question. Was that I don't really I lose track of culture really quickly. Sure. Sure. Sure. Did they make a sequel to independent? Yes, they did. But 30 years later. Okay. Right on time. I honestly couldn't tell if I had imagined I think Will Smith wasn't in it. Right. I think that's why you don't think it's a sequel to

Independence Day. I don't I remember hearing about it and then not seeing it and then I don't know. Anyway, the conversation about Independence Day leads to them talking about how the globalists are going to fake an alien invasion in order to bring us all together and create a world. I read Watchman. So here is Paul with a hot prediction. Any comments to that Paul watching them? We'll go back to Wyatt. Well, yeah, he was talking about Independence Day and the fact that Bolton UFO invasion, maybe stage obviously this is going to be 10, 15 years down the line. But I've actually wrote an obviously, yeah. Well, obviously, sure. Chalk that one up to the predictions that in force has gotten correct. They're always right. Alien invasion. 15 years.

Yeah. We all remember in 2018. That was a good year for an alien invasion. Totally. Yeah. So Alex has this interview with Catherine Albrecht and it's I don't care. They don't talk about any of the specifics of the documents sure that she supposedly hacked somehow or not. I don't know. She just describes it as like she used a Google search like a Boolean search bar. Oh boy on the website and that she found some documents on the site. I don't know for hacking is low. It's not hacking. Dependent like what she described. Sure for Alex. He's kind of he says that she was using login information like brute force hacking. Right. He describes it earlier and then she's like I just I just searched for things. I don't know. They don't direct you to any

actual primary sources or anything. I don't care. If I use DuckDuckGo, I assume I'm hacking. She's afraid of grocery store cards. So I'm they're scary. It's a snooze. But Alex introduces her this way and I just thought this was outrageous. However, the industry is also the deal with considerable consumer ignorance and scaremondering. For instance, the consumer fear that health impacts of RFID tags, presuming I guess the micro watch the tags momentarily use the communicator somehow more dangerous than holding a more powerful transmitter against your ear. That's a good point. Cell phones are dangerous. I suggest you use a navigator, a little plug in your ear and keep it away.

A lot of people lay it in their lap and then get genital cancer. So that is true. It's a lot more dangerous folks to have a cell phone than one of these RFID tags that microscopic transmission is just with the waves hitting it and reading it. Alex said a cell phone since then. Yeah, like consistently as an iPhone now like always. It's this is such nonsense. Yeah, like you're trying to make everyone afraid of these RFID things. Presumably for the multiple reasons of tracking and whatever pulse could be given off by it. You're admitting here that phones are more dangerous and you have phones. This is stupid. I, you know, like listening back to these pre smartphone era, there is like that,

that same thing you see in movies where they have to contrive a reason where you can't find your smartphone in a horror movie because otherwise the story would be like, you called someone and you're like, let's get the fuck out of here. This is dumb. Yeah. So many conspiracy theories even now have to like find a way to avoid talking about the fact that your phone does 99% of everything they've ever been afraid of since the dawn of conspiracy theories. Yeah. Yeah. Like how, how is my phone tells me how many fucking steps I've taken. Sure. You think the government doesn't know where I'm stepping? They literally do. They literally do your phone. Exactly. So it's like, come on, man. It is true that like essentially given all of the conspiracy threads that existed

prior to smartphones and such, all of them should have just woven together into a grand conspiracy theory that is this. That's the phone. And then we should have just then society should have collapsed as we fought a war over the fact that a smartphone existed. Right. And then they should have had parties where they smashed cell phones or something. Right. Totally. You know, become some kind of a like people who live in the woods. Like I think about it. And I remember vaguely the movie enemy of the state. And I'm like, as I remember it, I'm like, it was such a huge revelation in those moments for them to be like, the government's doing this. And now I'm like, dude, I can do that. I can watch my pet from fucking space. Yeah, it's fine. Or it's not

fine. It's probably super bad, but whatever. You can't watch your pet from space. You can't get to space. So it's so quaint now. It's very funny. Yeah. What are we going to do? So speaking of quaint, you know, this is why we needed to go back to 2003 and have a little bit of lower stakes time. So stakes. But at the same time, I think you still get some, some illustrations of these things that are actually still very relevant to the president. This politics that's based in essentially imagining what your enemy believes and then doing the opposite is so consistent throughout Alex's life. And the use of these imaginary enemies in order to reinforce the bigotries that you want to carry out, you know, CIA and the commies want you to accept homosexuality

and they're behind feminism. It's all just in service of intellectualizing your own bigotries in order to make it not seem so bad that you're pushing them. Yeah, that's all they're doing. I mean, the thing that I immediately like reevaluate is those those that first week of COVID, where he's talking about how it's, you know, it's over for humanity. You got these numbers out of China. It's probably a hundred times as many dead. And then the quick turn to like, this is all fake. This is nothing. And it's like, my immediate instinct at the time was, oh, he's got the marching orders. He's got the line from all of these people. And now the more I think about it, the more it's like, maybe he just saw that people on the left were taking it

seriously. You know, and he's like, well, if they're taking it seriously, it's got to be a conspiracy. Yeah, you know, like that's, it's sad. It's sad. It's so sad. I think there's something to that. Yeah, I think that he imagined that people weren't going to take it seriously. He assumed that the left could be like, this is not scary. And we your public health will take care of it and all this stuff. And then he realized that they were like, actually, this could be bad. Yeah, he's like, well, it's fake then, you know. Yeah, I think I think there's a lot to that. And the extremeness that he has gone down the road. That road in particular does track with people continuing to take it seriously. The more we take it seriously, the more nuts he goes. Yeah. And

then the other thing too, I just wanted to cover this episode for was the bizarre conversation about free speech involved with him going to call into a radio show. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was that's that story too is really fun. Just to imagine Alex sitting there trying to do a fake voice calling into a show, them not letting him on the show and then him immediately calling everyone he knows totally like, you got to call into the show. They won't let me on. What a whiny baby. So fun. What a terrible Texan accent. He lives in Texas. Yep. Yeah, he does. Oh boy. So we'll be back probably with a present day episode on Monday. It's like seeing what's been going on, seeing if Alex has quit again. Yeah, we'll see. We'll find out. I don't

know. Maybe he's gone back to the Capitol today and he's taken care of things. I would love it if we check back in on the present and he's talking about trying to call into a radio show and letting him on. God, you're a witch. That would be the best. That'd be so good. We'll find out. But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do. It's KnowledgeFight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at Knowledge Others We're Fighting. I go to bed, Jordan. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.