Knowledge Fight - #637: January 13, 2022

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex is doing with the news that his old buddy Stewart Rhodes got arrested for being part of a seditious conspiracy.  Also, Alex gets really weird about the concept of a "prison planet." Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas. You're on the earth. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm with Mr. Thin Caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your words. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about the young man known as Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan. That's as much as I can get fancy on. This is the young man as we know Alex Jones. That is a little bit of riff a

little. Not quite the intro that could cement your legacy. Let's put it that way. Yeah. So hey Jordan. Hey Dan. I have a question for you sir. Sir. Yeah. Question. Sure. What's your bright spot. You go first. My bright spot Dan is the restart the new season of great pottery throwdown. You know we've talked about the Great British Baking. Right. Right. Many times basically that with the exact same thing with pottery. OK. And one of the judges is this guy who is an exceptional and incredible pottery maker. Like he's just amazing at it. But also he's the most overly emotional man. He cries like six times an episode. Like you know when when Paul Hollywood gives him the handshake and you're like yeah this dude uses weeping as the handshake. He just cries and normally it would

be like disingenuous bullshit. But this guy just he fucking loves pottery man. That's too much. It's crazy how much he loves it. I may give it a shot but that you're talking me out of it. You got to watch it. It's amazing. Do they eat the pottery. No they don't. OK. So they don't say it's stodgy pot. No they don't. They don't. But the coolest part is the in the first season there was the assistant guy who would do all the kiln work. He would grab the pottery and then put it into the you know you do the thing. And then at the beginning of the pandemic they couldn't get a co host. So they gave him the co host spot. Right. The assistant dude diamond in the rough. Wow. This dude's incredible. Who puts things in the kiln. They hired a new assistant who happens to be a

trans person who is kicking ass. It's amazing. So I think it higher another assistant but not another co host. Look TV is expensive. OK. It's cheaper to hire from within. This is confusing but I'll give it a shot. Yeah. So hey my bright spot Jordan is that I feel reinvigorated a little bit. And this is something that that I can I can sense. I can feel I had a bunch of little irons in the fire that are coming to fruition down the road. And I feel I feel I feel alive in the work which I had been getting a little bit frustrated for a little bit. I feel I feel a second wind upon me. Also there's something for today and that is that I have a new technocrat drop. Oh we are reading bigger. Yes. And so in order to get to that let's cut this right spot

of mine short. Hello to some new walks. So first VV. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thanks VV. Next Yorkshire Stephen P. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thanks Yorkshire Stephen. Next Emma Rich not Emma Rick. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thanks Emma Rich. Next crushing on Dan. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. I don't approve. I don't approve of this. Yeah. No more of this. It can't be. And we have three technocrats today to say thank you to celebration of this new technocrat drop. Yes of course. So first I went on a road trip and all I got was addicted to this podcast. Thank you so much. Thank you technocrat. Next Mark but not Mark

Richards. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. Thank you very much. And a Dan and dad singing along to the theme song Dan and Jordan. I'm sweating. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. I'm just going to take a little break now. A little break for me. And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I got to be taken out of here. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. I mean maybe I'll just be gone a month maybe five years.

Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. Hey thank you so much. I was a little inspired by a theme. You really told the story. Yeah. Instead of picking random things that he said, I decided to give it a theme. You really gave it. That was a whole paragraph honestly. Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like those could all be from the same episode. Totally 100 percent. 100 percent could have been every 15 minutes. You just cut a different clip. That's what that's my favorite part about it. It's a it's a pastiche of a ton of different episodes

where this behavior just happens to always keep popping up. Yep. So Jordan today we have an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about January 13th 2022. Oh and we'll figure something out for that later. Okay. On this episode of course this is the day that Stuart Rhodes got popped. Stuart Rhodes went down. Oh yeah. I'm taking to the clink. Oh yeah. He's the leader of the Oathkeeper and political prisoner. Dear, dear, dear, dear, dear friend of Alex Jones. Best Buds. Best Buds. Guest of Alex's show for 13 years. You would say thick as seditionists. Yeah. He got arrested and apparently an FBI raid or something. So the situation is kind of nebulous and unclear on the on this episode because the news breaks in the middle

of the episode. Oh that's great. And Alex, spoiler alert, gets word of this because Ali Alexander texts him about it because apparently Ali Alexander has the soup. Okay. And Alex thinks he's got an exclusive story and so he's he's he's pretty excited about it. I think that maybe people expected Alex to have a total freak out like in our new technocrat drop. Right. Right. Right. He handles it shockingly well. Great. Which actually leads me to a theory and we'll get to that theory over the course of this episode. I have a feeling about about. I think he knew this was coming. I think he knew when he showed up at work that there was a good chance Stuart was going to get arrested. Yeah, I would imagine Stuart had a had at least a fair inkling that it was going to happen. I

think so. So we start the show off and Alex has caught wind of some chimera related issues. If I told you that they were going to create part animal part human clones in pigs sheep cows and apes to grow human organs inside of them for transplant. You'd say I was crazy though it was already happening before I was ever on the air 28 years ago. And it's in the news today. In a first man receives a heart from a genetically altered pig that was part human New York Times. If you're just listening to this show you might think that the New York Times is reporting that that pig was that was the source of the heart that was transplanted. The pig itself was part human because that's how Alex read the headline. But even even if you want to steal my heart.

Alex is lying and adding things to the headline because that's the only way he can make himself sound interesting and pass off the impression that he's always been right about everything. The actual headline is quote in a first man receives heart from genetically altered pig. Alex has just decided that he's going to report that the genetically altered part of this headline it means that this pig was part human but that's just him making stuff up. In reality the genetic alteration that the pig had undergone was a gene editing process quote to remove a sugar in its cells that's responsible for hyperfast organ rejection. This is one of the greatest challenges with organ transplanting the risk of rejections even though in theory pig hearts are compatible

with our bodies generally speaking. This genetic alteration that removes the particular sugar could have a huge impact in terms of solving the gigantic problem of organ shortages that people have and they need transplants. Wow. Another important thing to keep in mind is that we don't actually know how well this is going to turn out just yet. Well the article in the AP about this notes that back in 1984 a child named baby Faye was the recipient of a transplant at baboon heart and they actually survived for 21 days but then died. So we're not far enough out from this to know exactly how well this is going to work. Right right right. This is wild stuff but it's not at all the kind of chimera shit that Alex talks about all the time. He believes that there are fish with

sad human eyes swimming around in tanks in the basement of a lab at the University of Austin. That's the level of thing he needs to prove before he can claim any kind of I was actually right credibility. I'm not going to say that I don't get where Alex is coming from because when I hear genetically modified pig heart put into a man I see the week before whenever they went temple of doom on a giant pig man. That's what was going on there. I think that's how you get it from a pig man. Right. I think so. I mean you got to sterilize your hand first. Well true you can't cut around it. That's it's true. The skin is too thick. Yeah. So I mean look we know this from listening to the show. Yeah. And talking about it. Alex has been a little

bit mad recently. Well no no argument for me. Well he should be bad but he has a reason that he's been mad that I think is bullshit. I've been very upset the last three weeks and I've tried my best and I've prayed about it to not get angry and you know the biggest thing is the attacks personally on us are so over the top and so crazy that as a man it's almost like I don't even want to address it or talk about it. What a set of brass balls this dude has to complain about personal attacks being at his career has essentially been made on and characterized by intense personal attacks on people based on lies and misrepresentations. I don't care about whatever personal attacks Alex thinks he's dealing with particularly because I listen to his show enough

that I know when he says personal attacks he means things like Sandy Hook family's suing him because of his personal attacks on them. He's a weak baby who can't resist making himself a victim of every story because he thinks that somehow proves that he's under attack because he's so right all the time and he's dangerous to the system. This is just the performance of narcissism and consequences being misinterpreted as integrity or something. Yeah yeah yeah would you consider personal attack like let's think of let's brainstorm some personal attacks. Would calling somebody a demon be a personal attack? Yeah. Would saying that their face is hideous be a personal attack? I mean it's certainly an insult. Would arguing that they were perhaps a pedophile cabal member be a personal

attack. It seems like it. Okay well I think Alex might have been guilty of his own personal attacks. Yeah I think that what like a lot of those instances that you're talking about are public figures and to like some degree you know you kind of got to shake that off. Like Hillary Clinton's never going to really be all that concerned with what Alex says about him. Absolutely not. Private citizens on the other hand. Big difference. Yeah yeah. And Alex's personal attacks on private citizens are way worse. And they're legion. There's so many of them. Yes that's true. So fuck him talking about the personal attacks he has to deal with. Oh yeah. Don't care. So in this next clip Alex does something that I think his religion demands he can't do. At least

says you shouldn't. Okay. I signed on for this. I wanted to fight evil. I wanted to stand up against corruption. And so I'm actually extremely blessed and more alive than I've ever been. I'm so alive right now. It's unbelievable. It's very intense to be to be somewhat aligned with God. I'll just say this more than most people. I'm very aligned to the average human with God. That doesn't mean I'm perfect or great or some you know I mean I'm just dialed in and it's it's it's painful as hell. Oh man. That sucks. That's tough. What a cross to bear. Yeah. Well I mean you know not literally. He's not that aligned with God. Yeah. What a curved cross to bear. I feel like the Bible at least from my memory of growing up in the church. I feel like Jesus you know also isn't particularly

thrilled with people who use religion as a performance. No. And bragging about your connection with God on a radio show is probably something that most folks would use being a little bit distasteful according to the Bible. You know I remember him talking something about humility and you know boy claiming that you are closer to God than most people. I'm more aligned to God than most people is a weird thing to say. Yeah. It's it's probably exactly the opposite thing that the Bible would tell you is the sign of someone who's closely aligned with God. Totally. And that you would finally end that sentence with it hurts. Right. Which suggests perhaps maybe you're not that closely aligned with Jesus at all. You know what else hurts the fires of

hell. I kind of see a little bit of that going on. So it's kind of one of the verses that this brings to mind is Matthew six verse one quote beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them for then you will have no reward from your father who is in heaven later in that very same chapter quote and when you pray you must not be like the hypocrites for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the street corners that they may be seen by others. Truly I say to you they have received their reward. Yeah. I think we've talked many, many a time about praying on air as being a super blasphemous blasphemous but just like it's it's it's something that the Bible is pretty clear about like you're not going to get anything

for this because the presentation of righteousness that you're you're tricking people with that is your reward. Exactly. You have gotten it already. You got whatever you need. Yep. And your millions don't hurt. And God is not going to give you shit. Nope. So what do you think Jordan based on our last couple years of coverage and wrestling with this. Sure. What's COVID about. Oh boy. Oh God. What's the plan. Every time you ask me this question I feel like I could come up with 16 different answers. What do you think the overarching plan is. I think the overarching plan is to replace humans with cyborgs. We've talked about that one. I think that's the one I'm going to go with. That has been a plan at some point has been a plan at some point. I feel like that's the

one that's the winner for me. Not today. Oh shit. So you see the folders right here. Your TV viewer you see these right here. You know what all this is right here. This is the declaration of war by criminal group that has hijacked our nation in the world of exactly what they're going to do to you and me and everybody else. How they've got the camps built everything. And again it's been the training wheels we've witnessed with COVID. That's the smoke screen for lockdowns and checkpoints and doing what you're told the military at the hospitals and all of this is just to behaviorally get you ready with the ambient background for what's about to go down. You're being conditioned. You're being softened up. So it's to soften us up for martial law. Oh I thought it was to kill

everyone. Wait so we're going to live through this. Yeah I thought I thought everyone was dead already. Everyone is taking the vaccine is dead already and the COVID is a bio weapon that's mutating and is going to kill people. I don't this is this shit doesn't even make sense anymore. So like what you have to do is understand that this is convoluted and impossible to follow because there is no center to what Alex is preaching. Forget about the fact that there isn't a real world nefarious plan he's covering. There isn't even a concrete plan that Alex has made up that explains everything that's going on. He has to jump around from framework to framework depending on what seems useful to him that day because he's just making up this story as he goes along.

His heart and the weight of his career really drive him towards wanting to cover things as a plot to get us into FEMA camps especially him and his buddies. But the real good money right now in the conspiracy world is anti-vax extremism so it's hard to know which way to go sometimes. He's lost spinning in irreconcilable yarns because he has no idea what to do in an actual emergency. He only knows how to respond to fake ones that he's made to freak out his audience with. It's he doesn't know what to do. Yeah he's ridiculous. He's just scrambling every single word he says is on the brink at any moment I might topple off this knife said and depending on like some headline he read I don't know what mood he's in. Sure whether or not he's hung over.

You're all going to fucking die. Pigman's heart is going into your mouth. It could be that. Yeah. It could be we're all dead. COVID is a plan that they've had forever to depopulate the entire world so the globalist can run around in their new Eden. That's one thing that could that could be the or it could be that all of this has just been an excuse to bring in cops in the in the hospitals and checkpoints in order to soften us up so they can put us in FEMA camps easier. Right. No and I know I get that but if they're not going to kill us all or replace us all with cyborgs or like move into armored redoubts and let everybody else die we're doing just fine on the road to martial law without a globalist cabal. You know what I'm saying. Like the regular old folks they're on

they're marching us towards martial law. We don't need globalists. I want globalists to bring the heat. That's what I'm saying. You want something a little bit more creative. I need weather weapons not just the jackboot heel of the government on my throat. Well I think I my advice for you would just be wait until Alex is in that kind of mood. Well that's good. Wait until there's a natural disaster that Alex has to explain away as not being a consequence of climate change. Right. And then he will bring up weather weapons and then that's the end goal the globalists have had all along. Right. Right. Right. Right. So anyway Alex has got stacks on stacks some stackies if you will. The end of the American republic is here. Dim's announced a new terrorism plan that outlaws

all opposition creates one party state. Now if you're a TV viewer you can see the stacks I have here. These giant five inch tall stack right here and others are their admissions on every point. The current FBI head the former deputy director all of them saying quote all Republicans are terrorist. All Trump supporters are terrorist. Announce the new unit the new nationwide group that's going to watch you and going to control you and going to teach you that white people are bad. Okay. All right. So the end of the American republic that headline that he's reading that's just the title of the show that he's in the middle of recording. Great. That's the page that has the embedded video. So that's awesome. But the that is kind of what he hits on over

and over and over again in the beginning of this episode. This idea that this is the end of the republic and they're banning any kind of dissent and all this. And it's so kind of focused in that direction that that's what leads me to think that he knows that Stuart's going to do it. It seems it seems almost like it's softening us up for the blow of see if they get Stuart. They're coming after you. I very rarely see thematic coherence. Yeah. In this show. And this this to me felt like well this this this stinks of yeah preparation. Yeah. So Alex has some other stuff he wants to talk about. That is how he's always right. Since I mentioned this I noticed under hashtag Alex Jones is right. This quote by C. S. Lewis. Oh boy.

And this is from a screw tape letters. Doesn't say on the page. I know it is. I read the book twice at least twice. Technically I read it twice and I'll listen to it on book on tape. Technically. But here is C. S. Lewis quotes. Son he said you cannot in your present state understand eternity. That is what mortals misunderstand. They say of some temporal suffering no future bliss can make up for it. Not knowing that heaven once attained will work backwards and turn even the agony into glory. And of some sinful pleasure they say let me have but this and I'll take the consequences. This is absolutely not from the screw tape letters. I was about to say there's a countdown on it not being from the screw tape letters. I'm going to

guess that's the only C. S. Lewis book Alex has read or listened to since a lot of the others are pretty dense and hard to get through. Also some of the ideas in like mere Christianity or the problem of pain might be challenging to digest and I don't think he's up for it. I guess he's probably maybe read The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe and I would guess that he thinks Aslan is a globalist. Alex is obviously a fan of the screw tape letters because it's a work of fiction that's written as a series of correspondences between two demons. Though it was written in 1942 I distinctly recall the book being very popular in the evangelical community that I was a part of in my youth. And I wouldn't be too surprised if it wasn't a similar situation with Alex and

him growing up. Yeah. It was very somehow very accessible to the church communities. Piece of trivia. The teacher in Calvin and Hobbes named after the screw tape letters Wormwood. Wormwood. Yeah. I thought it was named after the constellation. No. Maybe the demon in the book is. Also I think that Alex like I think he read the word son there and that's what made him think it was the screw tape letters because he's forgotten that the demons in that are uncle and nephew father and son. Yeah. The quote that Alex is reading is actually from another of Lewis's novels titled The Great Divorce. Also I have absolutely no idea what this has to do with him like demonstrating that Alex has been right about anything because it's under the hashtag Alex

Jones was right. Yeah. But you know it's it's kind of an indication of him being incorrect because he insists it's from a different book than it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's a little confusing. Anyway this this episode starts out so boring that C.S. Lewis misquotes are where I'm at. Yeah. That is a good point. That is a good point. And on a good day we skip over him messing up C.S. Lewis. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes I will I will view that as a waste of our time. But today today you're coming after it. Yeah. Yeah. And then business picks the fuck up. Okay. And when you realize that earth is a prison planet then you understand everything here. So you think you're just here on the planet and this is all it's a little bit more than just a test. You see what

is a prison. This planet is purgatory. And if you fail probation what you're cut off from God you're headed to the courts of heaven God and the devil contend because God's like I'm going to give you one last chance. You're now in a body conscious on this planet. We'll see what you accept what you what you go towards. But I'm going to warn you one more time I'm cutting you off. And then you're separate from God and that's hell. That really freaked me out because it completely shattered what I thought Alex meant by prison plan at this whole time. Yeah. I have understood the term like the way I think most saying people would like it's a planet that you're trapped on and maybe there's jail guards ruling over things like the globalists. Let's say life itself is a prison.

Yeah. I had absolutely no idea that this is what he meant. And now that I do I'm struggling to grasp what it means and how it impacts his ideas and his worldview. If what he's saying here is to be believed then part of the prison planet actually involves us having been sentenced to being here on this prison planet. There's something that precedes our birth that we did that was bad and required God to give us this cosmic probation on earth. That's pretty fucked up. And I would like Alex to explain more about this. Yeah. I would need a lot more biblical citations for her. I think I think one way to look at this is that he could be talking about original sin. But I wouldn't think that that's the case because Alex wouldn't go along with the belief that all humans

are inherently born guilty. That would fly in the face of his steadfast belief in individualism, free will and the rejection of guilt by association. Like I legitimately have no idea what he's talking about. And it's fascinating. Like if you die young, does that mean that you got out early for good behavior? Which is why only the good die young? Possibly. Who knows? I mean Janice Japlin's gone. Our near-death experience is just meetings with the parole board. Like what's happening? There's so many possibilities for this. Is your imaginary friend a snitch? It's possible. That's what I need to know. None of this makes sense. And if I had to guess, I really think it was just him freestyling. Like that's how I heard it. I didn't think that this was actually something he

believed. It seemed like a case where he was talking shit and he doesn't realize the intricate nonsense that he's implying. At least that's what I thought until I heard what he said next. So yeah, you little devil worshipers are going to have your victory over Alex Jones. Okay. Alex Jones, the domestic terrorist. Alex Jones, the evil one. Alex Jones, the bad man, which of course I'm not. So point your fingers, like Tony Montana says and says, say good night to the bad man. But I'm not the bad man. I'm the guy here trying to get you to join me to get out of this together. But alas, you're not going to listen. And I know you, some of you aren't. So you will pay and not by my hand. I just want to weigh from you.

And God has promised that if we go through this, he will separate us from you. And so just as everybody exits California and New York to flee the left, imagine that spiritual energetic release of being away from them forever and you pass the point of no return and they're gone. They don't exist anymore. You have total completion, total peace with God. You had to have the test. You had free will. You did some bad things. Not in a past life here. We don't know yet. I've actually seen it. I'm not going to tell you at this point. What I'm supposed to know this. But the point is, is that what we are here to be tested and to pay for what we've already done. We're in prison. And I'm like a trustee. I'm like, whatever you say, get me the hell out of here.

And that's the big truth. I wish all of you would join me. I don't know if you will, but I'm telling you, you're in for a lot of trouble because if you think this planet's bad, if you think purgatory's bad, you ain't seen hell and I have, I got a good look at it. We'll be right back. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us in full wars.com tomorrow's news today. I don't fucking bullshit artist. I'm starting to believe and you know what? I'm thinking this is starting to put everything together. Okay. All right. One, all religions are true. Okay. All real happening all the time. Okay. Alex is a demon who escaped from hell only to wind up on this planet. All right. Living is demonly ways and all he wants is to get off this rock, but he doesn't want to go back to

hell. Here we are. This makes perfect sense. I think it's interesting that he describes himself as a trustee. It really does feel so fucking weird. I don't know what's happening. So Alex knows what got us here, what, what, like why we're on a prison planet, but he can't say it on the radio because we're not supposed to know this. We're not supposed to know. Now, let me reinterpret that for you in reality. Alex got in over his head talking about this and bragging about how he knows cosmic secrets and realized like, uh, I better stop this because if I say anything concrete, I can't walk it back. No, it's going to get real weird. As long as I keep it vague, I can imply that I have this magical, mystical knowledge, but as soon as I say anything specific, people are

going to have to hold me to that. And it's, it's something really serious to hold you to that. Like this is cosmic, uh, like spiritual reality that you're aware of. It's not like something that you could, I could maybe get a little bit wrong. Right. It would be pretty concrete. And you don't want to be nailed down like that because you're just making shit up. Yeah, I'm a little bit frustrated that we can go directly from a hashtag. Alex Jones was right clip to Alex Jones claiming that he has seen hell and is escaping the purgatory of manhood by asking God to remove him, but trustee powers. Yeah. I mean, hashtag. He was right. Yeah. Well, that's fair. If he's right about that, you can give that hashtag all day. Uh-huh.

I don't know how we would ever know. That's one of the other great things. Fun things about this is it's completely unfalsifiable and unverifiable. It depends on whether or not we have near death experiences. I say, fuck you to Alex for this nonsense presentation of, I know, I know what we did in a past life or whatever. You're right. But I can't say it on the air. Go fuck yourself. I'm saying that I apologize to Alex for not recognizing he's a demon who escaped from hell and is trapped in a human body on our planet. I do think that there's an interesting like, like movie in that. Yeah. Demon trapped escapes from hell, trapped on a prison planet of earth, right? Right. Right. Starts a right wing conspiracy. Right. Right. Right. It's like,

it's like the opposite of Constantine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be great. Sad. Sad Constantine. Oh, God, just what the fuck? I can't believe that you would allow that to happen and let somebody record it and and be proud of it. Yeah. And good and get back on air the next day. Amazing. Anyway, look, most of what I'm going to say is already all over the news. It's known, but it really hit me in the last few weeks for a lot of reasons that are just so fantastical. To actually be living this like again, I remember reading globalist plans about social credit scores 20 years ago and how they would say, oh, we're going to not let racists have health care. We're not going to let smokers have health care or drinkers or people that eat

too much fat. And we'll have smartphones that track what everybody does. And this will build this utopian. Of course, you know, it's a total nightmare. It's going to build a hell on earth because the globalists never follow even their own rules, much less who set them up as God. Yes, there's so many angles to this. There's so many angles to this. You know, I thought about how I'm going to cover this and how I'm going to do this a lot because this is so important. And then when I just get here to the point of talking about it, it's like such a big deal that talking about it almost lessens it. Because this isn't just talk. This isn't just something we're talking about that's about to

happen like, oh, we're about to have a hurricane hit or oh, it's about to be, you know, winter time or oh, it's about to be summertime. This is a end of civilization attack and event. And they're running around saying it openly to sell people that are going to buy into it. And then when you say, exist in the same moment, that's a minute and a half of nothing. That's killing time. Yeah. Now, you notice that Alex, whenever he's talking about his weirdo esoteric ideas, doesn't do that, like it cheapens it to even talk about it nonsense. You would think that afterlife would be the cheapened thing. There isn't this this kind of same game. It's usually with like, ah, shit, I don't want to get into the news because I didn't prepare. And people, you know, they would

expect me to actually know the stories that I'm going to get into. Yeah. Instead of just making shit up about how I've seen hell. This has this has the hallmark of avoiding doing a book report. Like, you know, miss, I listen, I would love to tell you about the adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry. Please do then. It's too big of a challenge. Honestly, it's a too bad. There's so much going on. I've written all of this stuff, but this is a classic. It's a hundred years old. Who am I to report on a classic? There are people who have done doctorates. Yeah. It's interesting. Really, when you think about it, how many behaviors Alex demonstrates on earth that are very analogous to things that children. Yes. Yes. Yes. There's a there's a

lot of overlap. One to one. Instead of getting to the news, Alex talks about a meme that he saw. There's a profound video I'll play next hour that I got sent by a good friend of mine this morning. And it gives such context to three weeks ago. Letters through four year requests have similar systems in Europe came out in the Netherlands where their leader of their parliament is getting orders from Klaus Schwab. It turns out he wrote the forward to the Dutch virgin of it and promotes it. So a member of parliament is a few days ago confronts him and tells the leader of the government, Hey, uh, have you heard of the great reset in Klaus Schwab?

And the guy says, I've never heard of that. So Alex has completely bungled this story and gotten all of the details wrong. That sounds about right. He's doing this intentionally because that's the only way to get this story to fit into his predetermined narrative of Klaus Schwab secretly controlling all of the world's politicians. So the first error is that this wasn't something that leaked like the beginning, what he's talking about there wasn't some kind of a Dutch equivalent of the FOIA system. An MP requested some documents and they were provided. These were not secret documents. They are just invitations that were sent to various Dutch politicians to attend the 51st World Economic Forum, which is the organization that was started by Klaus Schwab. So that's how

he factors into that part of the story. Alex has reported this as the leader of the parliament getting orders from Schwab, which is a lie. And the invitations that were released didn't even include one for the head of the parliament. Hey, why would it that body of government in the Netherlands is called the House of Representatives? And they don't really have so much of a parliamentary leader is they have leaders for each of the parties that are represented within the House. And there are a bunch of them. The House does have a group in it with it called the Presidium, which includes the Speaker and nine deputy speakers. So I guess this may be what you'd call a House leader. Speaker is currently Vera Bergkamp of the Democrat 66 party. And she

wasn't one of the recipients of the invitation. So this is a little bit murky. The invitation went to Finance Minister Wapke Huckstra and the former Minister of Foreign Trade and Development Sigrid Kog. This is not weird at all, not in the least. Also, along with these damning invitations, the government released some correspondences between the W, the World Economic Forum and Eric Wiebs, the Minister of Economic Affairs and Climate Policy regarding a letter of intent to explore a grant from the World Economic Forum regarding the Netherlands, creating food innovation hubs. So none of this comes even close to what Alex is reporting. Okay. So it's a deadly secret terrifying set of correspondence because the finance person is talking to the finance body

about getting finance things. Yeah, it's okay. It's a big dud. Yeah. And that's the first part of the what Alex is saying is saying like this, this new thing that came out gives context to this share and it doesn't know. So the video that Alex is covering and he's talking about was posted by a Twitter account called Ringo Lennon last July. It was actually posted by a number of other accounts, but I chose that one because their profile image is the Infowars logo. So I thought it was bonus. Oh, I was expecting it to be the Beatles. Alex said this happened the other day. It happened last July. Sure. That's great. It is true that this video shows a young Dutch politician named Gideon van Meijeren asking Prime Minister Mark Rutte what he thought of

Klaus Schwab's book The Great Reset. Rutte says he didn't know the book and then Gideon produces a letter that Rutte had sent Klaus Schwab thanking him for sending him the book. Gideon accuses him of lying and then the Prime Minister explains that he doesn't have time to read every book that he gets sent and it was a polite response to Schwab. Right. Right. Anyway. Dude. Dude. Dude. I'm just trying to be nice. This interaction was super popular in the dumb dumb conspiracy world back in July and I guess Alex just saw it and thinks it's current or that it has something to do with these misrepresented World Economic Forum invitations that came out recently. This is just shitty work all around. Just just nothing. Yeah. It's it's it's worse than nothing. Yeah. It's a false story.

That's the that's the stand up comedians the other day. You know the other day my one year old niece she's six now the other day whenever I wrote this joke five years ago. The the part about the Prime Minister of the Netherlands writing the foreword for the Dutch version of Schwab's book. I have no idea if that's true. I don't. It's definitely not true from the video that Alex is citing. It would seem odd. Yeah. So I don't know. Anyway Alex thinks he's got this scoop the scoop about the Dutch parliament that happened last year. It's incredible footage and nobody's picked it up yet. I sent to Paul Watson a few hours ago. I don't know if he wrote about it and Paul wrote about it. I love Paul to death but stories I send him he writes about are the biggest ones and then

he just writes like 10 articles a day and he like half the time won't write stuff I send him. That's how controlling I am and I'm in control of jack crap. That's kind of how I want to be. I mean I just people that do stuff for us work with us. We just kind of do what they want because we believe in them already in the work they do and then just kind of turn them loose because I believe in free will. I'm not like Satan to run every aspect of your life and watching what you're doing and see because I got my own stuff going on. Yeah man he's too busy to be Satan. Wait Satan's not trying to run every aspect of your life. God is interesting. So the the I think Paul probably said that he's not going to write an article about it because he probably did last July. Yeah that would make

sense. And Alex like oh my god this just broke Paul. This is huge. We got this exclusive. Oh my god I'm not going to send an email back on this one. Oh Jesus. Oh I forgot it got lost in my spam. Oh no. Come on Alex you're not controlling like Satan. Come on. So Alex was trying to cover this end of this the Republic News and how like they're they're banning opposition. The Democrats are totally and all this and he kind of whiffed on it. So he's going to try again next segment. Oh good. So I'm going to try again next segment and this is not me here building suspense. Who is the most important. How do you go on here with millions. There's a couple million people listening conservatively right now. That's that's that's like 20 hundred thousand person football

fields conservatively are listening every hour just on talk radio. So really because most talks always exaggerate their audience. I like to just say what we know absolutely is listening not even counting the internet streams or later stuff or Bandai video. You know that's millions overall each day. But but right now on talk radio there's over two million people listening to me. I don't say like man I'm this big guy. I'm up here. I got two million people. Well look at these football fields of people. Twenty football fields of a hundred thousand people. I'm Alex Jones. I got a big audience. You need to listen to me. Oh it's the opposite. I'll walk up to this giant audience of the humongous just endless crowds of people listening

and watching right now. And I don't choke up because the audience is so big. I choke up because it's so bad that if I don't come up with words to describe just how damn evil this is I'm lying to you. People always. Oh Jones exaggerates. Notice you don't hear that anymore. That was always the thing for 20 years. Oh he exaggerates the last five six seven. You don't hear that anymore. Do you know I'm fine to say that he exaggerates and also lies. Yes. I would argue he lies more. This is just more killing time. Yeah. This is so stupid. That's amazing. Also the it's good that he's not bragging about that audience. You know like that he's absolutely exaggerating. So if I understand correctly just on terrestrial radio. Yeah. There are millions of people listening

to him. Yeah. Including his streaming numbers and his downloads. That means that he conservatively has twice the audience of Joe Rogan. Oh yeah. Yeah easily. So I assume that Joe will be coming on Info Wars to start getting more viewers. Yeah. Well I mean we do know that a couple years ago he did cut an ad where he said that conservatively 10 percent of the world. Yes. He did say that. He did say that. Yes. Yeah. Nothing could even come close to his record. His ratings. Nope. Yeah. This is this is stupid. I would guess that maybe maybe two million people live within the range of the stations that play out on the radio. Maybe it is possible. Yeah. That were a lightning strike to knock out every other form of entertainment available to people

within this radius of space. Yeah. Yeah. I would be surprised if any but the fringiest of fringe radio stations carried his show anymore. Yeah. Any of those stations that like maybe played him like on rebroadcast like on the late shift. Sure. Like a coast to coast like throw him into curiosity. I imagine those people have gotten cut the cord. Just be so funny if like the local NPR Chicago affiliate just was like we're going to play an hour of Info Wars every day. We just have to. Well tomorrow's news today and what are we going to do. Play another all things considered. What are we going to do. So today we're going to switch things up just a little bit on Sunday. We're replacing Garrison Keeler. No more Lake Wobagon. Oh man. God that'd be beautiful. Here

the men are really strong women are above average. The children are above average. The women are strong. The men are something. The children are funky. Whatever. Yeah. Yep. So yeah. Alex has got a giant audience and things are bad. So he feels a real responsibility. So he gets back in. I don't I don't think that he actually gets to the news. Now I have stacks of incredible news. Each article more insane the next like the announcement the by administration has been illegally keeping a list of unquote vaccinated people and putting in the database that they're now announcing they may come door to door enforceably inject you. That's mainstream news. Just like denying white people monoclonal

antibodies is mainstream news mainstream mainstream mainstream. So this is yet another story. Alex is completely misreporting based on misreporting done by other sloppy blogs. This is a story that traces back to the daily signal which you can judge as a media outlet by the fact that one of their featured news categories listed on the home page of their site is critical race theory. That's an indication that these folks really aren't reporters and they're more of shitheads. Yeah. That's that type of website is like oh we've got we need to hire somebody for just our Jews segment. Oh no. Oh boy. We have like seven people on the critical race theory beat. All right. Whatever. Okay. So this article was published on January 11th and appears to have

been written by two fellows at the Edwin Mies the third Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at the Heritage Foundation which means they're cool. Yeah. They're reporting on an announcement that was made by the pretrial services agency in the District of Columbia who are going to maintain records on employees that have religious exemptions to taking vaccines. If you go and you read the posting in the federal registry it's very clear that this is an administrative decision and it only applies to the employees of this agency. They have the ability and the authority to do this and there's nothing weird about this at all. However the daily signal reports this very suspiciously saying quote a tiny administrative agency in the District of Columbia announced a

new policy Tuesday that will likely serve as a model for the whole of government push to assemble lists of Americans who object on religious grounds to a COVID-19 vaccine. From there the article is pretty dumb and boring but using this article other outlets start to play a little game of telephone. On the 12th the Citizen Free Press published an article with the headline quote Biden is quietly creating a database of the unvaccinated which is a mischaracterization of their already dicey source. After that Alex gets his hand on it and you know becomes mainstream news admitting that Biden's creating lists of unvaccinated people so he can come to your house and force you to take a shot. Sounds right. This is the pathway that Bullshit Alex reports

typically goes down. There's something that's not really that controversial that's the primary source which gets covered by a group of shitheads who sensationalize it and then that sensationalized article is covered by even more disreputable outlets who slap a dishonest headline on it at which point Alex reads the headline and makes up a story about it. This is the quality of information you get with someone like Alex's work is just completely meaningless. Yeah I feel like the Heritage Foundation is the world's largest per capita maniacal laughter factory. Like after every evil thing they do I expect them to be like they run on blah. Like nonstop like oh look at what I've just written.

So as for the white people can't get monoclonal antibodies that's actually way messier on Alex's part. This traces back to a video of a person going to a COVID treatment tent and trying to get monoclonal antibodies but being told that he apparently can't get them but he could if he were black or Hispanic. The video is shoddy and it's not very clear and it's definitely missing context but that's what it appears to show. I left out one important detail. The person in that video trying to get the antibodies is info wars employee Harrison Smith. Oh well there is that. Yeah there is that. When Alex says that the mainstream media admits that white people can't get monoclonal antibodies he means that Tucker played the video on his show the night before

and intentionally edited out the part at the end where the healthcare workers tell Harrison that he can't get the treatment quote because of a lack of underlying health conditions. Tucker did a painfully racist segment based on this manipulated video that was produced by an info wars reporter without disclosing that he's an info wars reporter. He's just a guy man just somebody trying to do a junior varsity project Veritas bit. That's fucked up. It is. That really needs some sort of intervention. If Tucker Carlson is playing an info wars video on his fucking show exposing that many people to it without any kind of awareness that this is a reporter for info wars that's fucked up. He has a Chiron whether playing the video the source of it. It's like at Harrison

of Texas or whatever it was Twitter handle is amazing and then his slug for like the the where he works is future news dot news which I guess is another one of the redirect URLs that Alex has to info wars or ban dot video. That's that's fucked up. Has anybody it's intentional masking of where you got this information from because you know it would be suspicious. Absolutely. We got this from an info wars reporter. Yes. It would look really really bad for Tucker. If he was trying to carry off this very racist segment and like pointing to it. Oh my god. That is horrific. Yeah. I mean I'm sure it's pretty par for the course for Tucker. Oh man. So some of the other stuff I've covered in this episode is really bad work like the Dutch parliament thing. This isn't

bad work. This is actively malicious. There's no way that Tucker doesn't know that Harrison Smith works at info wars. There's no way whoever put the piece together didn't know that the nurse explains why he can't get the treatment and decided to cut that part out so they can push their racist narrative and Alex knows that Tucker is reporting this story based on his employees bullshit but still reports it as the mainstream media admitting you can't get antibodies if you're white. These are all intentional acts and they're designed to elicit a certain reaction in the audience and that reaction drifts pretty much all the way into white nationalism. These people don't actually think that white people can't get monoclonal antibodies but pretending that they do

think that is the most effective way for them to pass off spreading their racist messages and they know they can still hide behind like being offended if someone suggests that they're racist. I mean oh my god what I just that's that's so fucking that should be on every news station right like Tucker Carlson plays info wars clips just like nonstop. Yeah Tucker Carlson uh uh uh what would it be white washes or tries to trojan horse info wars content info wars video to make his info wars point to you. That's I mean that's I how does that how can you get away with that. They won't allow Alex Jones's name to be spoken in a positive way. Yeah and uh like they clearly someone at Fox News knew the absolute in the Chiron putting Harrison of Texas or whatever

info wars dot com would have been a problem. Yep and that's why they do what they do. That should be that's that should be picked up way bigger. That's such a fucking blatant example of everything. Yeah fuck me. It shows a lot of intent. I want to start a riot that's so bad. So Alex gets into what I think is the the meat the meat that he's been putting off. Okay maybe he's been putting it off because his uh his lawyers have told him don't talk about this. The Arby's lawyers. Again I am very blessed and honored to be here with you today and I have had lawyers and other people basically asked me not to get into this and in respect to them I went around them so they would be involved and reverse engineer but I already knew. I guess you call that a parallel construction

if you were in the justice department. Okay and I don't need to even tell you what's personally happened to us because I have it all reverse engineered right here and these stacks I'm about to cover but this is really bad news. This is like 50 mile an hour winds in northern California and a big fire coming and in an hour your town's gonna burn down. Get what you got get what you care about get out get on the highway and drive south. This is not I'm not I'm not I'm not happy up here telling you this okay and believe me I'm in this with you up to my eyeballs. I'm in this you know deeper than probably anybody out there other than like Trump who they hate but who does understand his real power so this ties into all that as well

but but also why did Trump trigger them so bad? I thought you don't like him anymore. I guess. So Alex beats around the bush and is really bad at getting to the point but his point is he has done a parallel construction and figured out that the FBI has a counterterrorism investigation open into him and that the army is involved or something. Okay. It's it's a wide ranging conspiracy that he's got and I think a lot of it his support for this the evidence is that some of his vendors have told him that the FBI has asked them questions about their relationship with him. Oh yeah. I don't know if that's true or not but Alex has extrapolated that out into I have a anti-terrorism investigation. There's FBI agents following me everywhere. They've tapped all my

phones for all this and I think some of this is like I said because he knows that Stewart's going to get arrested. Yeah. Totally. I think some of it is pre preparing right and so he talks a little bit more. A lot of people have been arrested and maybe Alex is going to be next. So here's where we are. What was it? Eight months ago the FBI came and Sam Montoya was not here at the office and then they later swat team him with like 20 something officers at his house with no criminal record because he was there as a journalist videotaping what happened inside the Capitol. And then you all know I guess it was four months ago when Troyer got arrested and indicted for attacking the Capitol. He never won the Capitol. That's not what he got indicted for

parole violations. So yeah you got these the this sort of preamble of yes Sam Montoya got in trouble because he videotaped himself doing plugs for Info Wars right while breaching the Capitol right. Owen got in trouble because he had a deferred judgment from the last time he got in trouble and then he didn't do his community service. So he was in violation of that when he was at the Capitol. Yeah. This is I mean it's all just like you're trying to build this up as like some kind of that they're targeting us specifically. No there's very clear reasons why people got in trouble that did. Yeah. And other people didn't. Right. They were filming it. Right. But really it's an attack on white people. Yes. That's true. And in the cards they brought to Owen and the cards

they brought to Sam it says FBI counterterrorism and and and you know they they said it was a counterterrorism investigation and you know the FBI director said the main terror threats the American people and white people. What did you imagine. Black people are the number one terror threat. That'd be wrong and not true and terrible but white people are. Let's deny him the monoclonial antibodies while we're at it. What an incredible crime they're committing. And I mean I don't want to be enemies with McCabe. I don't want to be enemies with Ray. I don't want to be enemies with these people. They are enemies of this country. So this is all just an attempt to foment more feelings in the audience that white people are under attack. Yeah. That's about all that's going

on here but I have some great news for Alex. He doesn't have to worry about Andrew McCabe because he retired from the FBI in March 2018. I was going to say yeah that made me really uncomfortable. I was like wait did I for did I miss something that big. No it's because he just has a couple names that he remembers. Call me in McCabe. Those are the only two yelling in the past. Exactly. And Christopher Ray might actually be troubled because he is still head of the FBI but like he should be cool right like Trump appointed him. He's a Republican. He should be cool man. No he's been overtaken by the deep state because he did something I don't like right. But if he does something I like tomorrow he's actually secretly working against the deep state right with Trump

who is still the president. Yep. It's pretty. I mean it's clear. It's cut and dried. Yeah. It makes a total sense. Yeah absolutely. So Alex's lawyers have been talking with the January 6th committee apparently and this might be some of the stuff that Alex's lawyers didn't want to talk about. So imagine in my life I'm sitting here now with my lawyers and people talking to the congressional committees that are just the sideshow of what the Justice Department's doing and telling them that I'm a domestic terrorist and they want to charge me with material support of terrorists, the Patriot Act, for organizing all those rallies around the country and the peaceful ones in D.C. that led up to January 6th where they hijacked our event. I mean we're as

innocent as the driven snow when it comes to wanting to attack the Capitol. Why the hell would I want screw up us trying to investigate an election peacefully and go to prison? The January 6th committee can't charge Alex with any crime like that. That would be the responsibility of the Department of Justice which the committee is not just the public face of regardless of what Alex might think. I suspect that he thinks that it is because in his ideal version of politics and the government it would be. While Trump was in office Alex would have loved committees investigating Hillary's emails or Benghazi to just summarily arrest her. That's what he wants. He wants that kind of abuse of power to be directed towards his enemies so he imagines that

everyone else is behaving the same way when they're not. That said, like I said earlier, this is probably what Alex's lawyers don't want him talking about. I doubt that it's because it's actually what the committee is saying but because he might be in hotter water than it seemed before. This is the day that Stuart Rhodes is the news of his arrest broke and I want to make a bit of a retraction on some of the things that I've said before on the show. I've been of the opinion that Alex is kind of grandstanding about his concern about the January 6th committee and I don't think he's in actually any trouble but after reading Stuart's indictment I want to walk that back. I think Alex should be super scared right now but I still

haven't seen any evidence that he could be arrested for active participation in the very clear conspiracy that Stuart and the other oath keepers are charged with. It's a very clear conspiracy though and we know how close Alex and Stuart are and how the two of them promoted the January 6th rallies together and they did damage control together afterwards. I don't believe that the two of them weren't in contact with each other on the 6th. I don't believe that at all but I just don't know the nature of that contact or any of the like how it went. Well, yeah. I thought Stuart himself was in the clear because I assumed that he would have maintained a safe distance from incriminating conversations that are maintained in writing but now that I've seen the evidence

in the indictment I know that's not the case and Stuart is completely fucked. You guys were doing a leaderless resistance so you didn't get into this situation. That's the point. That's the whole idea. Yeah, not knowing what evidence exists of contacts between Alex and Stuart makes it difficult to gauge how worried Alex should be right now but on the scale I think it goes from super worried to skipping the border level worried. Yeah. Also it's hard to tell but I think that there's a part of me that wonders like I said like if Alex knew ahead of time that Stuart like was going to get arrested, you know? It just, you know, it felt like I don't know how to describe this exactly. It just, it didn't feel like Alex learning something on the fly. No, I mean but that's normal for these

types of high profile stuff, right? Like the people like Roger Stone when he got popped was like he knew they were coming. He didn't know the day or when but he was like I know I'm going to be hit by this eventually. Yeah, I would think that in these kinds of cases it's rarely a flash raid or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that based on what I've heard of Stuart's lawyer there's probably some kind of an indication that they knew at the time and that information could have gotten to Alex but like I said one of the feelings that I get about him knowing is like he usually blows up about stuff. Totally. He can't handle like incorporating new information on the fly whereas this is how he learns. So we've got some big news

that's going to break next segment. I'm still going to analyze this and get a little bit more before I announce it even though it looks like it's confirmed but it fits him with the theme of the show today. This is how he's dealing with like one of his best friends getting arrested for a conspiracy to storm the Capitol. Yep. Like he's heard behind the scenes from Ali Alexander turns out that Stuart Rhodes has been arrested and he's like well we got big news next segment and it kind of fits in with the entire theme of the show. That is not how Alex does. It's so weird how well it fits in within the theme of this show. This doesn't feel right to me. No, this is a scam. It just doesn't like he I can't I can't put it any more succinctly than like he loses his

shit when there's a tech problem he storms off air. Yeah. This is a guy who's who doesn't who doesn't handle bad news. Well no and far be you know we're we're in different stratosphere of the awareness of a man's mood when it comes to having listened to thousands upon thousands of hours. You've got me beat and if somebody can say honestly I know that he's acting out of character for him. I'm pretty sure that's you. Yeah. Yeah. It smells. Exactly. So he doesn't get to the news right away because he wants to announce that Klaus Schwab needs to fight him. Sure. Criminal corporate interests engage in a criminal illegal hijacking hostile takeover of the government and our systems and they've stolen all the money and instead of going to jail for the Ponzi

schemes they just plan on poisoning and sterilizing us and getting rid of us. Wait now they're doing that too. Oh let's demolish the old garage and put a pool in back here except I'm not a garage. I'm not here to be demolished because you just oh I don't like these ugly neighborhoods and I don't like those kids those you know here's the thing you want to kill me you're going to have to fight me. See how that works Klaus Schwab. You don't just do a little Jedi mind trick over here convince me to go crawl over in a ditch and die. You want war you got it and Klaus Schwab's like join us you're with us you see it we need you. You people give me creepy feelings. That's it. I'd rather get killed or put in prison than hang around with you jerks. Hey you guys give

me the willies. Hey you guys that I have accused of orchestrating a decades long plan that I can prove genocide. You're a bunch of jerks. A bunch of jerks killing everybody. What a bunch of weenies. Just a bunch of losers. Yeah I had the exact same response that you did too though it's like wait wait wait they're killing us off now. Now they're adding that in. Yeah. Weird. Almost like nothing means anything. Pretty much. Anyway Alex finally does get the go ahead to announce that Stuart has been arrested and here we go. It's begin. Okay this just broke 20 minutes ago from phone calls we got now it's in the New York Times so we're going to go ahead and go with it doesn't mean it's happened for sure but 99% chance it has and we have the lawyer that was on the phone

with Stuart Rose when we got raided by the FBI reportedly joining us next hour and Ollie Alexander as well and Attorney Norm Pattis was also here on the same subject of the takeover of America via the National Security State Patriot Act which we always knew would be used against the American people. It is the Patriot Act. Domestic terrorism is to attack Donald Trump's base that's why they rhyme. Domestic terrorism Donald Trump DT. What that's not rhyming bananas. I don't know what's going on. Don't ever say that to me again but what a cast of losers. Yeah I know. Norm Pattis and Ally Alexander coming up. We don't really have any exposure to Stuart's lawyer Jonathan Mosley so you know who knows maybe he's a great guy. He's not but the other two whoa whoa top luminaries

in their field. You hate to hear it when those are the guests that are coming up. No no no you want the best of the best and when it comes to being a shithead and being a shithead lawyer you don't get better. Sure. So I will I will say that I think that Alex is pretty good at coming up with a narrative like that. Right. So he has learned that Stuart Rhodes has been arrested and he he he gets defensive about other people thinking that Stuart was a Fed. Right. And that was what a lot of people in the fringe right week communities were saying because he hadn't been arrested. He hadn't been arrested. Right. And so they're like well he must be a Fed. He's a snitch. He's the one who got everybody. It's Alex focuses on that and then comes up with another story.

Okay. And again I've never said Stuart Rhodes as a Fed. I've known Stuart Rhodes 13 14 years. Clearly feds could infiltrate a big group like Oathkeepers and he would get pissed if you said that. But I mean that goes on. So that's where we had some friction but I've never said that Stuart did that. I was wondering why he hadn't been arrested. But but it doesn't matter. He's a distraction from Ray apps folks. He's been arrested because it came out in Congress and Ted Cruz talked about it. And now the head of the January 6th committee the head lawyer was in Twitter. In fact Owen had it last night and asked the crew for it and then they said Owens got it and I never got it. Can I have it. The head of the Jan 6th committee lawyer said

Oh Ray apps didn't go in the building. Well why is Owen Schreuer charged there. I can clear that up. Yeah. Owen got arrested because he you know he was he was by being there. He was in violation of deferred judgment from a previous case because Owen failed to complete his community service. He violated an agreement that he entered into willingly to avoid consequences for his past actions. And that's why he's in trouble. Do your fucking community service you asshole. It'd be nice. So this Ray apps conspiracy is the new preoccupation of the January 6th the denialists and it essentially just boils down to this. Ray apps was at the Capitol on January 6th and on the 8th the FBI released an image of him as somebody that they were looking for information

then he didn't get arrested. And so the crack sleuths and Alex's community have put two and two together to prove that he's a Fed and he was the one secretly running the operation. This is stupid. And if this logic holds then I guess Jay Johnston was also there under FBI deep cover. Oh my God. As far as I know he hasn't been arrested. They got him for Bob's burgers. So this narrative around around this keeps shifting because people like Alex are just throwing out whatever thin bullshit they can hoping to buy some time and create distraction from the reality that his friends and close associates plan to and followed through on bringing caches of weapons to the Capitol that day in an explicitly premeditated plan to stop

the certification of the election results. First it was a nebulous unnamed Antifa and BLM folks who were dressed like Trump supporters who must have done it. Then it was clearly John Sullivan who was the ringleader and now we've gone through a couple more iterations of this cycle and Ray apps is the new sacrificial lamb for the right wing media. They're hoping it'll stick and it'll just be figure out another guy down the road. Man reading that indictment having clear text messages from Stuart Rhodes like hey I love that you're bringing weapons to overthrow the government friends. We will have a quick response force in place. Great opportunity to overthrow the government everybody I'm in a conspiracy with. Hey on the way to the Capitol

from Texas I'm going to buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of weapons and accessories. Oh my God what a fucking bad criminal. Yeah it's very sloppy. That's bad. So without any actual evidence this guy Ray Epps has been blamed for running a false flag coup on the Capitol by people like Charlie Kirk Marjorie Taylor Green Matt Gaetz and Ted Cruz even got into the act after he was roundly humiliated by Tucker Carlson for not being in line enough with the extremist wing of the party. As it turns out this is really simple and the explanation for the removal of Epps's picture from the person's of interest list is that they just no longer had any questions they needed answers about from him since the investigation had progressed and they'd got the information

they needed. There are a bunch of other examples of people whose images have been removed and not all of them are because they were arrested. This isn't a unique case. Epps is absolutely not a fed and he wasn't running any false flag. He was however previously the head of the Arizona branch of the Oath Keepers. He was interviewed by the January 6th committee and this baby should be put to bed but it probably won't be anytime soon. Because their high-profile media figures are really closely connected with people who are charged with a seditious conspiracy there will be targeted campaigns against anyone even former leaders of Stewart's own organization if it can help build a narrative where folks like Stewart and Alex are really the victims in this whole thing.

It's sad and honestly really dangerous. I can imagine that Ray isn't feeling very safe right now seeing as a not insignificant number of heavily armed lunatics think he's responsible for setting a trap that took down the patriot leadership and thus the country. Now look I think that Ray Epps is probably not a great dude. I would assume not but this is bullshit and the way that he's being put up and people in the Congress are trying to use this as a smokescreen to excuse the behavior of people who are right-wing extremists on the 6th. He's a private citizen. This is unacceptable. Well what you're forgetting is that this whole thing was also funded by billionaires and there are members of Congress in the conspiracy as well. So I think we're going

to find that you can put a lot of money towards fucking up a private citizen's life with no consequences for it. It's just I mean look I never want to be in the position of like defending a former oathkeeper who was part of the events of the 6th for sure. But this kind of behavior is so dangerous. Well I mean it's not so much defending him as refusing to allow a scapegoat to be put in place. You know like fuck you you don't get to get away from this one even though you have several billion dollars. So anyway Stuart's not a fed. I just always found it hard to believe that Stuart was a fed but Ray Epps definitely has I mean he's definitely being protected and so Stuart's been arrested because the Ray Epps he got too hot. If you want my analysis

that's what's going on. So yeah this is this is essentially the narrative that Alex is going to run with and that is that you know Ted Cruz got out and he started questioning about Ray Epps what's going on with this guy and then the heat got too hot so they had to take Stuart Rhodes. Yeah that makes perfect sense. I guess I mean it probably plays with the audience but it's very stupid. That's bad. So Alex makes a little bit of a tactical error and that is that he starts saying a bunch of things that really really make Stuart sound guilty. Oh that's not good. Like this. I interrogated Stuart on air months and months ago about stuff and he got so pissed at me because it was a tape show. I just decided most shows aren't

taped like nine to five percent of them but we taped the show on Saturday. He got so mad me even asking questions that I just didn't even air it because he made me look guilty as hell and I was just like wow why are you flipping out like probably because he wasn't guilty. I don't think Stuart's a fed but I mean like trying to understand stuff and asking him real questions there and he flipped out on me and was like I'll kick this person's ass I'll kick that person's ass and I'm like listen dude. Boy I hope that that tape doesn't get subpoenaed. Wow. Wow just revealing the existence of that is a smart move. A tape where Stuart completely freaks out on Alex about questions about the sixth. God damn it. This is why the globalists are such shit is because

they're the imaginary enemies of people who are like fucking stupid. This is terrible. Yeah I think that Alex should have known better than to grill Stuart Rhodes. Why ask any difficult question to this guy after after the sixth. I don't know why he got mad when I asked him direct pointed questions about his involvement in the sixth. Well I think I think that the question obviously he'd never put this out so I don't know what he said in it but I think that the presentation that he's trying to make is that the pointed questions and the grilling were about him being a fed but I also think that any of those questions would touch on things that would be really tough for Stuart to answer. Prove you're not a fed. Well I tried to overthrow the country. Oh that's not

good. I don't want that on tape. Yeah I'm gonna have to ask you not air this. Yeah please don't air this. So look. I can't I can't stop loving how innocent it looks for you to say also I have a tape where he answered questions that makes him look very guilty that I didn't show you and I'm not going to show you now because I don't want you to think he's guilty which he definitely isn't and that's why I can't show you this information. It probably you know like this tape it's probably Ray Epps's fault. I mean think about the level of conspiracy he would make if somebody else was like oh we've got a tape of Hillary Clinton looking real guilty describing how she wasn't on Epstein's Island and then she and then we didn't show it and we got rid of it. She freaked out. She was so

threatening to kick people's asses. Beating the shit out of people. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing suspicious there. I feel like Alex if ever I were in trouble I would not want him to fend for me. I would not want him doing PR for me because he's going to end up accidentally or maybe even intentionally but I can't reveal your source on this. It's Donald Trump Jr. but I can't reveal reveal anything about this. Holy shit this is bad. Wild. So anyway he also says some other stuff that sounds a little iffy. There were a bunch of health keepers there that day that thought they were under secret command of Trump for the Q stuff that went in the building and I don't think Stuart was part of that. You can easily have people join a huge group like that but tens of thousands of members

and infiltrate it. So I just didn't get why he didn't just say that was wrong and say it was improper. He was like well it's a good thing. This government's bad. Remember up front he was saying that. I'm like oh no it's not a good thing. At this point Alex should be putting the pieces together about this obvious puzzle. He hasn't read the indictment so he hasn't seen the concrete evidence of Stuart's direct involvement with these allegedly delusional oath keepers who thought they were under the orders of Trump so I'll accept that he's still trying to spin this as best as he can. But that part about how Stuart wasn't denouncing the oath keepers who went in that makes a whole lot more sense now in hindsight. He was hanging strong with them because he knew that they had

concrete dirt on him. He would get arrested for a seditious conspiracy if they put this dirt out so he wasn't about to hang them out to dry and risk them talking. The stuff that Alex is saying it fits incredibly perfectly with the set effects where Stuart was running a group of people who were planning to disrupt the certification of the election results by storming the Capitol if it came to that. That's why he blew up at Alex when he was questioned about things on that show. That's why he didn't turn on the arrested oath keepers. Alex is making a compelling circumstantial case that Stuart is guilty as hell. This is not good. You know I asked him to say that it was a bad idea but he wouldn't. He said that he loved it and it was a great idea and that he wished that he was the

one who led it and he was the one who led it. Wait what? Oh shit. So this seems really sloppy and shit but like I still think this fits into the notion that Alex knew in advance this is going to happen. Oh totally. Because I don't think he would prepare that well. No. This is still the kind of thing you'd expect him to be rambling about. And look hey man this is still just cover for apps. Sure. I think he's a true believer that's been set up this whole time. If I had to go with my gut and that's why he's been arrested not Ray Epps. So we should support Stuart and worry about Stuart and really be concerned here because Stuart's a very smart guy but he's also extremely romantic. He's a romantic. And for folks that don't know they're new listeners maybe

or public school educated like myself. A romantic doesn't just mean like men and women kissing each other. Romantics are into romantic stories. Are we busy? Fighting and sacrifice yourself. I'm a romantic but I'm also a realist romantic in that I'm not going to let my romance with humanity and my romance with being a hero not let me get my full potential. I'm not going to be played. And I warned Stuart over and over again that he was infiltrated years ago. I love the idea that Alex is prefacing that with like if there's any new listeners let me explain what romantic means. Like this is something that we go over a lot. Well this is lore. Okay this is from our earlier episodes on Infowars when I explained what a romantic was. I don't expect new listeners

to catch up. This is so dumb man. Like I'm not sure how the facts of this case like as laid out in the indictment could possibly be a cover for Ray Epps. Like Alex didn't even know that Ray Epps existed until the right wing social media decided to blame him recently. Yep there's a little while back he came into everyone's mind. Also I get the sense that Alex is maybe making some of the same calculations that Stuart did when Stuart didn't abandon the arrested oathkeepers. Stuart's been coming on Infowars since 2009 and it's about 13 years of the two of them being associates and I wouldn't be too surprised if Alex didn't want to run the risk of Stuart telling some tales about him. Maybe about Alex's finances or the way the show runs or how little he cares about the audience

and the things that he says. It kind of feels like there's something because if you're in the clear now is exactly the right time to pretend you've never met Stuart Rhodes and anybody who says that you are friends with him they're floating a raft of dirty lies around. It's the easiest thing to do right now. Stuart is fucked. Half of all of Alex's audience already thinks he's a fed and this Ray Epps nonsense might be playing on the social media right now but it's not going to work for the long term. But over committing to this is a bad idea. Just saying fuck Stuart Rhodes fine no consequences. You know the thing is when he says his lawyers say they're looking into me for material support for terrorism it's hard not to think maybe he gave Stuart some money

and then we're in real trouble there. Even if he didn't know what it was for if Stuart took money from him and then went and bought guns and put him in that cash that's hard. Yeah I would wonder about that. I think that there's an outside possibility that's correct but also I would wonder if Alex is giving him money money. No no no that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that that's such a thing that you wouldn't even you know. Well I mean definitely Alex allowed Stuart to have airtime to spread conspiracy theories. Airtime is worth money. Was he recruiting using you know all of that stuff. That's that's all I'm saying. Well I mean knowing what we know now about Stuart's actions that day the notion that Alex allowed him to come on air and create a

false version of what happened in order to cast aspersions on his own guilt provide material support. I don't know if it rises to the standard of evidence needed for that but I'm not throwing any conspiracies out there and I'm not saying that it did did happen. I'm just saying that once Stuart got really popped for this that's a different story now. I wonder it kind of feels to me less like Alex is worried about criminal exposure by way of Stuart and more about like he knows a lot. Yeah he knows a lot about my shit and then also like I can't imagine if your Stuart Rhodes being like let's loop Alex in on this. Oh boy. We have this this military unit right that we're going to have weapons caches and stuff like let's tell the guy who can't keep his

goddamn mouth shut about anything that is on air for hours a day. Yeah let's go ahead and tell him let's loop him in on comms. Yeah I highly doubt that. Yeah but you know when thinking back to that time there was quite a bit of chatter from him and the and it's the same stuff that it always was but like you know eh whatever who cares. I think it would be we'll see what happens. I think it would be the world's worst idea to be a terrible idea to tell Alex. But look man Stuart's a romantic. That's true. Put guns and caches. I think Alex is too. Because God is my witness and I've done this a few times people seen it on air but this time I didn't do it. I intended to come on this show today and say I don't think Stuart Rhodes is fed. I think he's been misguided. I'm just really

worried about Stuart Rhodes. I woke up at like three in the morning last night. I had a dream about Stuart Rhodes last night that God is my witness before God on my children and I had a dream about Stuart where he and I you know these dreams are all foggy but he was key and I wanted to love him and he wasn't bad and I'd been wrong even though I hadn't said it on air. What what does happen? Reach out to Stuart and get him on air but Stuart's a jerk and arrogant and he'll think you're just manipulating him and he's paranoid but that I needed to reach out to Stuart. And here we are. Yeah okay so Alex had some dreams about Stuart Rhodes the night before and he meant to start the show talking about that. So amazing. He's just I think he might be psychic.

Yeah probably. I think he's a demon from hell who's wearing the skin of a human being. He's so psychic after the fact. It's weird how psychic he is after the fact. It's really really good at that. It's crazy. Yeah so Ali Alexander comes on and we do learn over the course of their conversation that he is the one who got in touch with Alex and told him about this but Ali's dumb. To talk lightly about Stuart Rhodes' arrest you know I wanted you to be the one that broke the news. One of my attorneys I have four was on the phone with Stuart Rhodes while he was getting arrested on a case not related to mine and look there's a lot of questions that I think that Stuart Rhodes needs to answer. Look real quick that means that they have the same lawyer. Yeah

that means that Ali Alexander and Stuart Rhodes both have Jonathan Mosley as their lawyer. Yeah interesting. Before the American public but every American is presumed innocent okay absolutely presumed innocent and my question for the FBI is is this raid from pressure from congressional Democrats to elaborate on conspiracy charges to paint the entire Republican Party as a conspiratorial seditious you know a paramilitary which we're absolutely not. Ali Alexander seems to not understand that any searching that went on after or along with Stuart's arrest wasn't a fishing expedition. They already had all the evidence that was presented in the indictment which is plenty to charge him with and arrest him. If I had to guess there may have been a quick search or a raid

done because one of the charges Stuart is looking at is for destruction of evidence so it could have been helpful to make sure he doesn't have the opportunity to destroy anything else. Yeah that would make sense. I know it sucks for these guys that the facts that are coming out and the basis for the investigations actually being revealed it has the effect of completely deflating the fanfiction they've been selling their audience this whole time about the sixth. I know that sucks that's tough and it's probably even more so for Ali considering that he's deeply involved in planning the rally at the Capitol and the fact that most of the real hardcore right-wing folk probably think he's a fed or a snitch because he agreed to testify before the January 6th committee

it's got to suck for him but the reality here is that Stuart's arrest and the information that was made public because of it completely demolishes any of the nonsense arguments Alex and Ali have made about the storming of the Capitol being an orchestrated false flag by Antifa in the deep state. Continuing to pursue the conspiratorial narrative is going to force people like Alex to come up with ever more complicated explanations for the new information that comes out demonstrating that right-wing extremists planned organized and carried out the events of January 6th for the purposes of disrupting the transfer of power. Of course they can't really do the opposite either because that would require them admitting that they were either knowingly or unknowingly part of

that plan which tend to look bad and tend to put them in a corner. Wouldn't be good. I would guess that Alex is going to soon do the move where he transitions into a new narrative where he says something like we know who staged the sixth but we need to move on from that because the midterms are coming up and the globalists are going to steal them. Something like that we're going to focus on something else we're going to be like hey let's not re-litigate the sixth. Yeah I imagine Tucker's documentary is not going to be updated. I doubt they're going to be like hey listen we're going to have to issue corrections on this. I'll tell you why we have got a laundry list of things we need to. Seems like we were wrong about a lot of stuff and it might have been on purpose.

That might conveniently just be taken off. They might talk about it not more. Nope. So look man Stuart's a romantic. So you know while there's a temptation on some of the right to just throw Stuart Rhodes you know down the barrel and then there's a temptation to act as a reaction. My god tells me Stewart's innocent it always has. I think he's a romantic. We know Ray Epps that goes texts man. Yeah I mean and that's another good question is why is the J6 committee so hell bent on clearing Ray Epps name when he's the only one on camera caught violating the law. I can sort this out for Ali. The reason that the January 6th committee is tweeting out that they interviewed Ray Epps and that he isn't a Fed is because you and all your shithead friends are

insisting that he is and that he caused January 6th. That would make sense. They're investigating the events of that day and Epps is someone who was there and is someone who was on tape saying inciting things the night before so he was a person that they thought they might want to talk to. Maybe it's some information that'd be helpful. They interviewed him and it turns out he didn't so they put out a statement that they interviewed him and that the allegations about him aren't true. This is a great example of a right wing media rhetorical trap. The January 6th committee did this and they're being criticized for it. Why are they so eager to clear this guy's name? It's suspicious. However if they didn't interview Epps Ali would just be saying why did they refuse to

interview Epps? If they interviewed him and then they didn't put out a statement Ali would say why won't they reveal what they learned in the interview this must be a cover-up. There isn't any actual interest in the things that are happening in reality. There's a predetermined narrative and facts and events have to be presented to the audience through the filter of that narrative. Instances like this question Ali is asking are telltale signs of people who aren't operating from a sincere position who you should never engage with. You're never going to convince them of anything because they don't care about reality. Also what Ali is saying about Epps being the only person on camera doing anything illegal is absolutely a lie. There are a ton of people who

were on camera assaulting police officers breaking Capitol windows and other property. What he's saying is just absurd. Ray Epps also didn't do anything illegal on camera. There's a 45 second video that's going that has made the rounds all over social media where he's talking to another guy the night before and he says quote I don't even like to say it because I'll be arrested I'll say it we need to go into the Capitol. If Ali thinks it's illegal to say that he has a poor grasp on free speech and if that standard is universally applied everyone he knows would be in jail. Alex would have been in jail years ago. Oh yeah. The reason that Alex can get away with the kind of clear incitement that he does is because free speech rules in this country are super

permissive by design and nothing that Epps did in that video is illegal at all. It's dumb and it's an indication that he's probably a shithead but if Ali thinks it's proof of a crime he needs to go take a high school level civics class. I wonder how Alex is going to feel about his gut prediction after he reads the indictment. That gut prediction that Stuart's innocent and all that? That's not going to be a good one. Actually I don't really care because I know he's never going to read it and he's just going to keep pretending that there's no evidence against Stuart and he got jammed up to cover up for Epps. It's all bullshit. So Ali, Ali has been on and now Alex gets Jonathan Mosley, Stuart's lawyer and apparently Ali's lawyer as well

on and it turns out like I don't know if he understands free speech either. I'm going to ask the question again. Why isn't Ray Epps arrested? There's no good reason for it. There's like you know even if he even if he was just being a dumb you know they flashed the way Stuart Reds wondered he's still on tape telling people to go into the Capitol. So there's no if there's no one else who would be the leader of the sadistic conspiracy but yeah. So no one else. There is no good. I cannot imagine. No one else. And it's an explanation for him not being and it was I don't want to wish anybody to get arrested but you know please understand me but in terms of the government's behavior it just stinks

to high heaven. It doesn't. It doesn't stink to high heaven. Nope. Nothing that is in that tape of Ray Epps is illegal. None of it is proof that he is a leader of a seditious conspiracy but the actions taken by Stuart as illustrated by the evidence of that indictment show a different picture. I don't know. I just can't think of anybody else who could have led any sort of conspiracy beyond this person who the right wing has just decided is a great patsy. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean it's it's unbecoming for this lawyer to be acting like this too. You would need some sort of massive cache of text messages or evidence in order for me to believe that somebody else could have led this especially somebody's client for the incredibly

talented Jonathan Mosley. Maybe something that's like 48 pages long or so. Quite a long one. So this this lawyer I got you know how Alex says he gets bad vibes from the globalist. I get bad vibes from this dude creepy feelings. Yeah. And I don't care as most of his defense is just like everything is a lie. They did it. I didn't do it. He didn't do it. Everybody's fine. It's just empty proclamations of everything is a lie and I can prove it and then no proof why we presented at all. Well it's not the court. All right. And so I'm not going to spend much time talking about him because his interview is actually short and boring but we do we do have to recognize something very important and I don't think anybody can deny that Biden and the great

reset and the COVID BS and all of this is bad. I mean my god Joe Rogan was a mainline liberal and the system got so bad he woke up. Same thing with Tucker Carlson. Join Joe Rogan. Join Alex Jones. Join Tucker Carlson. Join everybody else that just wants to have a good future for our children. I think you could make something of an argument that Joe Rogan had a sort of Democrat vibe earlier in his career. You know I think you probably could. Maybe you could say that he was a mainline Democrat who took copious amounts of drugs. Maybe. Tucker. No. No. No. He was a professional piece of shit right wing asshole. He he was on hardball as the Republican as the Republican who wore a bow tie. He was on hardball as William F. Buckley Jr.'s fucking mini me. Yeah. He

staunchly defended the Bush administration's war on terror and the war in Iraq and yeah no no no no Alex. I think it's fun to say like Tucker was just a regular liberal and then then he got brought over. I think Alex actually can defend that in his mind. Sure because he thinks that neocons are liberals. Right. Right. Right. So that I think he could defend but it's total horseshit. Everybody who didn't try and overthrow the Capitol is a liberal in his world. Well I mean to him based on his extreme right wing politics. Everybody's to the left of him relative to him. Tucker even in like 2004 was a liberal. I mean you could probably argue now he's. I don't know. They're pretty similar now. Yeah that's true. So anyway Norm comes in nor Patis. I think the last time I saw him he had a

gigantic ridiculous beard but he's shaved. Oh and but you know what else like he's getting angry. I think that there is a I don't think it's stand up careers going that well. I think that there is a trend with with norm that I find upsetting and that is every time I hear him he's angrier. I watched last night for the first time Merrick Garland's speech of January 5th or 6th. I thought he was on his 6th. Shut the fuck up deal when he wasn't set for the United States Supreme Court and thought they had at least ought to have voted up or down on him. But when I watched him quaking in his loafers in rage I thought there's something wrong with the man and there's something wrong with the country. We also said five police died here. Well you know but here's what he's lying.

What is what he said about law. What he said about the law is whether if you contributed knowingly or unknowingly to events that led to violence you are a co-conspirator. That's simply wrong. You are not a co-conspirator in a crime unless you engage self-consciously deliberately for unlawful purpose with another and agree with another. So Merrick Garland didn't say that five officers died on January 6th. He said quote five officers who responded selflessly to the attack on January 6th have since lost their lives. Alex is lying about what Garland said in order to be able to call him a liar. And norm isn't really doing much better. Merrick Garland said nothing even close to what norm is claiming in the speech that norm is claiming to have watched.

This is just entirely made up as is the characterization of Garland as quaking in his loafers in rage. I can't find another instance of Garland saying that like in another speech if someone else has a citation go for it. But norm if he wants to clarify where this came from I I'm not gonna try and hunt this down. I read the transcript of the speech that he's referring to the norms referring to. And based on that he's just making shit up to be mad about. Stupid. All I needed to hear from him is that casual nonchalant the January 5th or 6th. I don't remember what. Fuck you. You remember goddamn well. No it's because when was the speech. The speech was the night before. Right. Right. So I think that's what he's referring to. Okay. Okay. In fairness. All right.

So but but look man. I think norm might have enjoyed the sixth. I think he might have been into it. I think this is the great lie on the American people. I mean for Kamala Harris to stand up in front of the nation and say January 6 was like you know September 11th was like Pearl Harbor. No it wasn't. January 6 was like 1776. It was like Lexington. It was like Concord. Wait. Wait. When the people wake up and think enough to appear at a public place and demand answers. Congress ought not to react by investigating the people. They ought to look in their own henhouse and say what are we doing wrong. Yeah man. When Stuart Rhodes and his militia designed that they're going to get weapons caches and then try and storm the Capitol in order to

stop the the counting of the votes in the electoral college. You know what Congress should really look in the mirror. Yep. Yep. Yep. Look I'm not saying I'm not saying that Congress doesn't need to make some changes but that's a ridiculous thing to say. I know that nobody in our far right movement would do this. It's got to be Antifa who is leading it who is instigating it. Now obviously in retrospect I view it exactly the same as the American Revolution notoriously peaceful. No American Revolution much like Lexington and Concord. So peaceful. I think one of the problems with this show and the community around it is like they even like they can't even get their stories straight. No. Alex probably wouldn't want him saying something like no I'm saying something

like that. Jesus Christ. Because that's kind of complicated to to work in with the other stuff. Your lawyer just said he was hoping that the far right would begin a revolution. Mm-hmm. That's your lawyer. Yeah. Interestingly if you pull up the indictment the Stuart Rhodes one of the things one of the messages he sent on the 6th as things are grown down he said quote hey the founding generation stormed the governor's mansion in Massachusetts and Tardon feathered his tax collectors and they seized and dumped tea in the water. They didn't fire on them but they street fought. That's where we are now. Next comes our Lexington. It's coming. Yeah. I don't know. It seems like

Norm might be. Wow. Pretty close in spirit. Just real guilty all these folks. Just real guilty. Yes. So fucking guilty. What a mess. Lying to our fucking faces. So I think that even Norm is smart enough to recognize that there is a threat to his clients. Yes. Ability to operate. Yes. There is there is a threat that the world will start looking at people like Alex people like Stuart as they are as opposed to like let him be. Yeah. People will recognize the danger that folks like this present. It used to be more of a headache to engage than not to and now it's starting to look like we better engage before it becomes too big of a headache. Exactly. Yeah. And so Norm in order to sort of deflect from that he has to mischaracterize why

Stuart got arrested. Sure. You know I mean basically it's an attempt to criminalize ordinary behavior and it it waters down the conspiracy requirement to almost meaningless dimensions. If in fact agreeing to go to a protest and agreeing to stand outside to try to delay Congress from doing something or a federal agency from doing something or trying to hinder them from doing something that expression of protest is now considered under this precedent seditious conspiracy. You notice how the people who were just standing outside and protesting like all those hundreds and thousands of people they weren't arrested for a seditious conspiracy. I did notice that. Yeah. It's interesting. It's also weird how Norm is completely ignoring

all the parts in the indictment where Stuart and his buddies make weapons caches and start up quick response teams to bring guns to the Capitol. So weird that they're pretending that Stuart didn't discuss how he and others might have to quote take to arms in defense of our God given liberty. Yep. So weird that it doesn't come up that a person with Rhodes messaged their group chat during the storming of the Capitol and said quote we are acting like the founding fathers can't stand down per Stuart and I agree. Oh this is just such bullshit of a move for Norm to get on this show and pretend that all Stuart did to get in trouble was to go to a protest with some friends that ended getting up a little out of hand. This is such cowardly and a deceitful

way to present this information and he knows what he's doing. He's a shitty lawyer but he's still a lawyer. He doesn't. He knows what he's doing. No that should be disbarment level of bullshit right there. I think there's no way he should have been disbarred for being on air with Alex when he threatened Chris. Totally. Totally. 100 percent. I want this head on a pike. A million dollars. Alex. No. Please don't do this. But at least but this this is that he's you know he's read the indictment. He's been clear about this. Yeah you know what he is doing is lying on air. Yeah he is not not lying. No no there's no way you can tell me that you think he made a mistake or left it out on accident. I don't believe that. Yeah you know he's a lying person who went on the

airwaves to lie specifically intentionally. Don't let him be a lawyer anymore. So look Norm thinks that this is the end of protesting. Now protesting is going to be illegal. Yeah that sounds true. Alex thinks something a little different. But but they they have been making it very difficult for us to get documents was being months just trying to get you know well basically they're they're hiding needle in a haystack. They're beginning and they'd never be permitted to do that in a civil case. Well they're building this constellation of FEMA camps and arrest and solitary confinement and disappearing and how to block lawyers and how to block judges. They're just building the beginning of their martial law takeover. So I guess covid's not

going to kill us all again. We've gone back and forth zigzagging throughout this episode. I guess it's back to martial law because that's more relevant to the Stuart Rhodes talk. I hate it whenever he has this kind of guest on because he just winds it. It just sounds like there are two dudes getting drunk at a bar talking about politics. They don't know anything about. Sure like also a pretty bold to complain about not producing documents. Well he just lost a bunch of cases by default judgment for discovery because they were in the stacks. I couldn't find them. That actually might have been a legitimate argument if Alex was like these five. Do you not understand how many stackies I have here. I can't go through all of them. Look I wanted to print out the

documents to give you but I ran out of toner. Too many stacks. Toner is expensive. Yeah. So here's just a clip of Norm being a dumb dumb. Okay. Well I mean I you know the narrative now is the following. If you complain about something and you happen to be white you're a white nationalist or you're a white supremacist. I'm neither. I happen to be a white misanthrope. I don't trust anybody much less the government. Sure they're trying to change the subject of a multinational criminal takeover into black and white. I think I think that if you say that if you complain you're a white nationalist they call you a white nationalist. I would I would say that that's a statement that I think is very overlapping with white nationalists. I would I would even go

so far as to say if you were just a misanthrope who wasn't a racist you would have said I'm a misanthrope instead of I'm a white misanthrope. I would think that you'd be misanthropic towards Alex because he's a piece of shit. Yep. Yeah. Your miss your misanthropy is directed in certain ways. Okay. All you kind of give up the belie what you actually believe. All you do now they do this every time you go out you complain about one specific race doing one thing that maybe isn't even true and they all call you a white nationalist now. Also let's not forget what Norm's stand up bit was. Yeah. Oh. Woke insurance. Oh my god. Oh my god. Dork. Anyway we have one last clip and it's Alex giving a sales pitch for woke insurance. No. Oh. It's a bummer. Okay.

Ultimate bone broth is discounted. It's all there in full work store.com and listen I get it the leaves fall off and on them and sometimes stuff shuts down. I love this crew. I love we've been in the same building 15 years. I've been on there 28 years but if you guys decide not to support us and you've already done so much that's what God wants. I'll be happy to you know go away but they're going to blow a bunch of federal buildings and declare martial law and turn your power off and send force inoculators to your house and rape your wife and children. I mean. Whoa. It's a joke. We've done our best here and the good news is my best work was done 20 years ago or five years ago laying landmines and people's minds for when

this came. So right now is all gravy and we're having a huge effect right now but we already did our work in the past so people would know what was coming. So I want you to keep us in the game but it's up to you. You want us in the game go to info or store.com get products you need to make your life better. If you don't kill me shut you'll never see me again. Listen. Listen. I get it. Maybe you guys don't like Lucky Charms anymore. Maybe you want this leprechaun to go away. That's fine. If you don't want to support Lucky fucking Charms you don't have to buy any of this shit. How about you. How about you kill me. Oh my God. Just kill us. I mean that's unbelievable. That's a beautiful. It's very sad. That's a beautiful ad work.

Mr. Clean. You don't want to fucking clean house anymore. Fine. Mr. Clean will go away. I was thinking about some of the aspects of that and I do think that I mean I think he was bad consistently but he was better five years ago than he is now. Yep. I mean just by virtue of going from like a D to an F. Yeah. You know like it's still worse. Sure. This is worse. And I also do agree that his earlier career has made the present worse. Yeah. And so like he did do his work earlier. But look dude this kind of sales pitch of like hey support us if you want. Yeah. You're going away. Whatever. That is that makes me sad. It feels like what Elizabeth Katie Stanton tried to do for the glass ceiling. Alex is trying to do for the concept of rock bottom.

He's just he's just keeps breaking through it. Well I mean there's so many there's so many different layers of it and different sorts of rock bottom. There's the angry. I quit. Yeah. Fuck you. Fuck you. This sucks. I'm never coming back. There's the there's the we're all going to die. We're all going through dabda. Yeah. There's the anger. Yeah. That is the the fuck you fuck you. Yeah. There's the bargaining that is if you buy our products will stay on air. Right. Right. There's denial of him saying that we're winning. We're winning. Absolutely. Right. There's depression certainly. That's where we are now. Yeah. But he never gets to the A. No. We're just in a constant cycle of grief without ever making it to acceptance.اج

That's all my heart folks. You ripped it back. We're back. Full circle baby. Is this a Harold. I think that garden. We'll be back. Yes. Indeed we do think though just to put a little button on this. I don't think that Alex was that surprised by the news of Stuart getting arrested. No. I agree. I don't know how much awareness he had of the specific of him getting arrested that day or anything. But the way he reacted is not how he normally reacts to stuff. Yeah. It seems very, very bizarre and out of character. And I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't say that he knew it was going to happen that day. But if he didn't get a text like in the past two or three days, that's like it could happen any week now or something like that. It's getting hot. Exactly. I would definitely absolutely

see Stuart himself knowing like, Hey, this is getting serious or Stuart's lawyer or Stuart's lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And so anyway, we'll see. We'll see what happens as Alex realizes more and more that his body is fucked is straight up fucked. Woo. We'll be back. But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do. It's knowledge fight dot com. Where else on Twitter? We are on Twitter at that knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan. Yeah, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX clerk. I'm Daryl Rundis. And now here comes the sex robot Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.