Knowledge Fight - #642: January 24, 2022

Episode Date: January 28, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex's announcement that he pled the fifth about 100 times with the Jan 6 Committee.  In this installment, Alex says some very dubious things, and Matt Bracken recommends people storm the capitol on January 6.  Citations

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around, worship with the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. The king of the south. Is he the king of the south?

The clean south. Not the dirty south. The clean south. Well, I mean, obviously we know who the king of the dirty south is. Who's that? Noss. Oh, okay. Wait, isn't he from New York?

Yep. That's why he's from the dirty south. Wait, I thought it'd be like Lil John. Well, I mean, obviously. Master P or something. Master P is the court jester of the dirty south, my friend. He would not appreciate that at all. The ice cream man's going to fuck you up.

I'm just making it weird. All right. Yeah, Dan. Speaking of which, people are confused about your dislike of Pete Holmes. Oh yeah, it'll be fine. Dan. Yes. Quick question for you.

What's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today, I guess it's sort of a mixed bag bright spot and that is that I'm seeing on Twitter just as we're starting to record this episode that apparently the mighty, mighty boss tones have broken up after many, many years of being out there 20 years after I remembered them last. Yes. After years and years, decades of them being bad and plaid, they've decided to hang up

the old skank and shoes. Well, I'm sorry. Well, no, I mean, it's, you know, obviously on the one hand, I'm a big fan have been course since my my childhood, although I will say I have not listened to most of their newer albums, but I have a big fan of their earlier catalog certainly and you know, it's bittersweet a little bit, but I did get to see them at Riot Fest. True. So I did get to see them before they broke up, which is I guess a win.

I mean, yeah, yeah, it's better than like to hear this news and be like, wow, I guess I'll never. Hey, they're going to do a reunion tour. You're going to be able to see them at five p.m. at a casino someday, Dan, you're going to be okay. I might have seen them at five p.m. at Riot Fest, but like, yeah, it is at least my my childhood self got to have that like experience, you know, validate that. Thanks.

Thanks. Boss tones. That's lovely. That's lovely. I had I had a similar experience in the reverse. I could have seen James Brown with my college girlfriend at the time he was doing a local concert there. Not your current college.

No, no, no. She's different. Um, but, but, um, uh, for some reason I, I decided not to go. I can't remember the exact specifics of it week later. He was dead. Shit. Yeah. Right.

How much of a bummer is that? That is a bummer. That is a bummer. Yeah. And then you find out later. He was murdered. Oh, no. Yes.

And then you've got to solve the crime. I've been trying. You got to put on your Sherlock Holmes hat, not your Pete Holmes hat. Figure out this mystery. Absolutely. So what's your bright spot? My bright spot, Dan, was going to be the return of Saga, which is going to be finally the boss tones are broken up.

It's about time. Yeah. I've been waiting for that day. Saga. Uh, it's a really, really great, uh, graphic novel by Brian Kay Vaughan, who's a really good writer, but the artwork is done by Fiona Staples and she is beyond great in this book. It was going to be that, but then, uh, Tuesday night, the heat died, uh, in my place. Okay.

Uh, and I don't know if you recall. It was about negative eight degrees outside. Oh, yeah. And that ballpark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't get it.

We didn't get it fixed until Wednesday at like one in the afternoon. So my bright spot is having heat again. That is nice. It's amazingly good. I'm imagining you and your partner made like pillow forts or something like pulling blankets out of it. Oh yeah. Yeah.

And also like, obviously this is one of the downsides like, like I texted you when you were going through that. I was like, well, I mean, this is part of the bad part about home ownership. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all the partner owns the, uh, the condo and like, you know, you don't get to yell at a landlord.

I know it's rough. And I was alone whenever the repair guy came and he was like, do you know how old this thing is? And I was like, no, and he was like, it's still mad at Reagan. And I was like, this is bad. This is not good, but also don't lecture me about it. Yeah, no kidding. I hate Reagan too.

So, uh, Jordan, today we got an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about Monday of this week, uh, this past week, uh, January 24th, 20, 22, 2022, we'll get something for that. I doubt it. Okay. So, uh, this is an episode where Alex, of course, he talks about how he talked to the January 6th committee. I think everybody was pretty interested to hearing how that went and, uh, I don't know.

We'll figure it out. He played the fifth. Apparently. Yeah. I heard that. That's the big news. It's been making the rounds. Yeah.

We'll talk a little bit about that. But before we do, let's say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. Hello, bank. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Nick.

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I get it. It wasn't part of the name. Right. Just I got it that you busted. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't read. I didn't realize that when I wrote down the name.

I'm a policy wonk. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. The STL grass dad. Thank you so much.

You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And we got a technocrat in the mix. You're not going to like this, George. Pete Holmes is my spirit animal. Thank you so much. You're now technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow, actually. I'm just going to take a little break. You know, a little break for me. And then we're going to come back. And I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil.

I got to be taken out of here. I've been on this. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, fuck you in your new world order. And fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast.

Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow. And you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow.

He may be. So yeah, thank you. Thank you very much, Jordan. I mean, like I have no beef necessarily with Pete Holmes. I don't know if you want to explain your very scandalous comments. I mean, I'm surprised that it got this much backlash for some reason. This is I did not know that Pete Holmes lack of ability to write is a good thing for a lot of people.

Wow. Yeah, that's right. I'm coming hard at Pete Holmes today. I think you need to put some lettuce. I need a lawyer. Yeah, well done. Wow. Okay.

The views of Jordan do not necessarily reflect the use of knowledge fight LLC. Pete Holmes in the past. So Jordan, like I said, today 24th at the beginning of this week, news broke that Alex had met virtually with the January 6th committee and the buzz that was going around was that he had pled the fifth about a hundred times. When I first saw the news going around, my first question that I had was like, what information is being used to back up this reporting?

I looked around and I read some articles in the mainstream media about the story and all of them just relied on comments that Alex made on his own show. That's what I was. I was reading that. He pled the fifth over a hundred times. I was like, Alex said that you guys are stupid. Yeah. Yeah.

CNN said quote a source familiar with the investigation confirmed the meeting to CNN, but that really just means that the meeting happened. Yeah. Not that any of the ways that Alex characterized the meeting were accurate. The CNN article in particular just seems like a partial transcription of Alex's show. And all the other articles are the same. They just rely on Alex's show and the claims that he made on it. I guess there's not really any other information they could be going off of

since I don't think that these interviews are public, particularly not while this whole thing is still ongoing. Sure. So here's the deal. I'm going to cover this episode, but I'm going to do it with the largest grain of salt any human has ever imagined. Alex is a flagrant liar. So I have no interest in just taking his word about everything he says concerning

a meeting with the House committee that he thinks is trying to overthrow the country. Right. One of the biggest problems is that I don't actually trust Alex's ability to comprehend information he receives or questions he's asked. So that calls into question his telling of the thing I'm most interested in knowing about this meeting with the committee, which is what they asked him. Knowing what they asked would help give some sense of what direction they're heading in and what Alex should be worried about.

Having a solid sense of that will have to wait. And I guess the best we've got for now is Alex's dicey retelling of what happened. So that's what we're going to go with. I was reading some of those because, you know, normally we... That's against the rules. No, exactly. Normally it's against the rules, but it was like fucking everywhere. And I couldn't avoid it.

Even the headlines were showing up. Alex pleads a fifth a hundred times. So I read every one of them and every one of them might as well have been like, we're taking noted liar at face value. It was fucking stupid. I don't know if it's stupid because I think like if you're going to write a story about this and maybe it is newsworthy, that's what you have to do. But I do think a better job could have been done to really highlight all this could be

bullshit. Yeah, absolutely. We've, I mean, especially the day after we do deposition episodes and we've done plenty of deposition episodes of the past. I think we know how Alex talks whenever the shit's real. Now, that's a good point, but I also think that we do need to be careful because the depositions that we've seen are civil depositions about a case that he is... True.

...clearly not concerned or have any respect for. True. He might respond to talking to a congressional committee where he could be in legal jeopardy. Sure. I think he might behave differently. I'm not ready to make the assumption that he would behave exactly the same, but he might. I'm not necessarily saying he would behave exactly the same, but his, his bombastic retelling of how he behaves is 100% suspect.

True. True. And yeah, I guess that is really the point is that we don't know. We don't know. And that, that should be kept in mind as we, as we go over this stuff. Yes. So we're going to start here on the 24th and boo, boo from the jump. Here we are, my friends on this Monday, January 24th, 2022 transmission.

I just had a very intense experience being interrogated by the January 6th committee lawyers. But they were dogged and I take the whole process very, very seriously because I know that Adam Schiff is a forger and has been caught faking emails and misquoting President Trump and claiming that, oh, here, here he is ordering the president of Ukraine. Here's a transcript of him telling the president of Ukraine that he's a mafia don. He better follow his orders. This is stupid.

And Alex is just talking about the parody version of a transcript of a call between Trump and the Ukrainian president Zelensky. At the time my position, like when shifted that my position was that it was a bit dramatic on his part and a really bad optical move. I guess how easy it would be to attack him just the way Alex has sense. Yeah. But I also don't think that it's fair to say that he was trying to pass off what he was saying as an actual transcript of Trump's call.

No, that's kind of dumb. Yeah. That that was not the intention. And the folks like Alex who pretend that it was are misunderstanding that on purpose. So they can attack Schiff for being a forger instead of just being a bit dramatic. Yeah. This is really dumb, but it does provide an excuse for why Alex, the very innocent person, should be afraid of testifying before the committee.

He's so innocent, but that doesn't matter because Schiff's just going to create fake documents like he did with Trump. It's really fascinating that Alex constantly goes on about wanting his day in court where he can be vindicated and the establishment will have to recognize that he's been right all along and power will tremble before him. But every time he has the opportunity, there's some kind of an excuse for why he just whiffs and doesn't prove anything. All of the Sandy Hook depositions would have been ideal times for him to stand behind

his claims and at very least demonstrate that even though we know them to be wrong now, he had reason to believe that these claims were correct when he said them. And every time he just mumbles, I don't know, or tries to change the subject rambling about how he's a victim. Now, here he is testifying in front of a congressional committee and, well, he could tell the big truths to power and stand up like a man in the arena like he always calls himself, but he has this fake story about Adam Schiff that's got him too worried to talk. It's such bullshit.

This entire character he puts on is a fraud. No, come on. Everybody knows because we've seen this throughout history in the past, you know, truth tellers have gone up against kangaroo courts so many times. And because they're going up against kangaroo courts, all they really do is quit and give up because what's the point of fighting back? You know, there's nothing more noble than giving in to the powers that be. Yeah.

I think that the folks that I think I respect more who have principles would be like, well, I'm going to go in there. I'm going to speak my piece. I'm going to tell the truth and whatever consequences may come. Sure. There are, you know, the political consequence of me telling the truth. Sure. Sure.

You know, like tax. Sounds like a socialist. Well, tax protesters who, you know, withhold taxes because they believe that what the government's doing is wrong vis-à-vis wars and things like that. Right. They often end up having consequences and they have to accept those consequences as part of their activism. You bet.

And then you have people who are tax protesters like Alex's friends who do the opposite. And that's kind of how I feel about Alex's whole posture towards, you know, testifying and things. Yeah. It's the stolen valor. Unlike the stolen valor of wearing army medals and bullshit when you haven't earned them. It's the valor of somebody who's actually fighting power and they're not doing it. Yeah.

Like I said, it's characters of fraud. Yeah. Completely. So Alex, you know, he's learned over the course of his career and I would say our last episode proves that is not true. No, it's true. Man, this is dumb. You know, I personally became very popular on the radio very, very early.

That's a lot of power to have. And I was always doing it really for the right reasons, but I still made mistakes and I still hurt people in the process, but it was done from a place of trying to be good. And I've certainly learned as I've gotten older to be more careful with the power I will, especially as that power has increased. And that is not the normal process with the type of people that actually seek power. Most people would seek to be on the radio and TV so they could be famous because they couldn't get a job in Hollywood.

But I was offered the big jobs in Hollywood and turned them down. Star Lord. Because I genuinely wanted to be with the people in the common populace. And that's really my goal. But that said, it's been my own process of learning how I've been wrong that has helped me grow up and really see what's wrong with the people that are controlling our planet. Selfish, arrogant, hateful, disconnected from God.

Just, just ridiculous. Wow. Wow. Wow. Just really described himself right there. Selfish, hateful, disconnected from God. I find it like in terms of my engagement with Alex and my understanding of him through various periods of his career, I think one of the more offensive things he can say in

terms of like just blatant disregard for the truth is I've learned things. Yeah. Yeah. Period. The end. I learn. Period is a lie. Categorically not.

Yeah. And, and you know, also disrespectful is the notion that like I did things that hurt people, but I was trying to be good. I was, it was in the service of good. It's such shit. I mean, you know, it's, it's fun. It's fun whenever he describes like, you know, I, I've, I've learned and I've changed and I've grown and it's been my mistakes that have allowed me to realize what's wrong with

the people in power, despite the fact that he said the exact same thing about them since he was 11 years old and read his first John Butch, John Burt society book. Yeah. You know, it's, he didn't change a goddamn thing. No, but I think that this is what people who have learned things say. And so he's sort of parroting. Yes. Yeah.

He's mirroring that because it makes it seem like he's actually had the experiences that he wants the audience to feel like he's had, which he has not. He's had the opposite. Maybe he just has forgotten how to start every sentence with, you know, like maybe he actually is a parrot. Maybe he was on our last episode. We heard that he talks about how his, he puts those pages in front of him, but he eats it like a parrot.

It's true. So maybe we're on to something. Probably put pages on the floor of his office. The satanic parrot. So look, I was not looking forward to a whole episode of listening to Alex. I had had enough. Yeah. Basically, you know, four hour episode.

We did a lot of listening to Alex. I didn't want to jump right back in. Right. And thankfully Alex gave me much like the people of Nineveh, as Alex says, he gave me a reprieve. Okay. Huge show lined up for you today. I promise to take my four year old daughter camping for months. I'm about to take a couple of days off and take her camping.

I come up about 30 minutes. Owen shroyer takes over, but first I've got a lot of big news to head. Stay with us. I thought his daughter wanted to go to an amusement park, but that trip got canceled because Alex's financial information was reported in the Huffington post. So he wanted to make a couple of million dollars out of spite. Yeah. I guess he wants to go camping now.

Anyway, Alex has been out of the studio for the last couple of days after this episode and Owen's been hosting, which is a mess. Just think about what Owens got on his plate. He's hosting Alex's show, then has to do his show afterwards. That's like six hours of talking with just one hour of a break in between where, in this episode, Gerald Slenty hosted the fourth hour. That is tough. There's no one on earth who has six hours of interesting things to say in a day.

And if there is a person, it's not Owen. So Alex leaves a half an hour into the show, which gives us like a nice, actually he spent, he is there for the first hour, but he means to be there for half an hour. Right. Right. Right. And then he's out of here. He's got senioritis today.

Yeah. So Alex comes back from break and he reiterates that he has just got done talking to these committee lawyers. And I just ended it at a little less than an hour ago. My testimony via Cisco systems, I guess it wasn't Zoom or Skype, a connection, an interview, I guess testimony depositions, the word with the January 6 committee. And it was extremely interesting to say the least. I wrote some notes here that I just want to get out of the way because it is newsworthy

and important. And then I'm going to move on to the other big news and Owen Schreuer is coming in to take over because I, again, I'm taking my four and a half year old daughter heading to the woods, baby. Oh yeah. That's what I would do too. Oh, it's great time to run to the woods. It was a great time to get to the woods.

And this also brings up that when our episode dropped, if there is any kind of a response, from Alex, we won't know because he's in the woods. So he had some time. I would be building a Puebla if I were him. That would be south of the border. Building a redoubt of some sort. Absolutely. So Alex gets talking here about his meeting and he decided, of course, going to plead

the fifth. But his reasons and his understanding of the Constitution seem a little bit weird here. Okay. This my lawyer told me almost a hundred times today during the interrogation on advice of counsel. I am asserting my fifth amendment right to remain silent. And the media tells you that's because you're guilty or because you're going to incriminate yourself, but but it's also just because it could be used to try to incriminate you and

twist something against you. Adam Schiff is famous for creating fake quotes and fake transcripts and fake emails and fake text messages and fake conversations with people. Oh, I wonder if you brought that up to Adam Schiff in the in the testimony. I would assume so. Yeah, like, oh, I'm not comfortable answering. To his face. I'm not comfortable answering these questions because you're a known forger.

Right. Yeah, that's a way to that. I would assume that's how he opened in order to make sure that this was a collegial atmosphere. I mean, if he wants to really get take things seriously and deal with the the reality should be combat. So we've discussed the fifth amendment in a recent episode where Alex is threatening to plead the fifth. So getting too far into it again and to be a waste.

I don't want to do that. Yeah, but this is a very inaccurate interpretation of what that amendment allows. The fifth amendment allows Alex to not answer questions that he has a reasonable belief where that the answers would lead to providing evidence that could be used against him in another potential case. For instance, if you were testifying about a murder you witnessed while you were in the middle of committing a robbery, you could plead the fifth about details of why you were there where you were when you witnessed this murder, but you could still answer questions

about seeing the murder. Right. The entire thing is about protecting a person for being forced to be a witness against themselves. If Alex's interpretation of the fifth amendment were applied across the board, the legal system in this country would collapse and there just would never be any reason to call any witnesses who would be opposed to the goal of the investigation. People who had information about deeply illegal things would never have any concern about subpoenas because they could just plead the fifth to everything instead of risking lying to Congress.

If the standard for being allowed to use the fifth was that you were vaguely concerned about someone misusing your words because of something as flimsy as a dumb misrepresentation of a years old right wing talking point, there would be no reason to have anybody testify ever again. No, no, no. That's why they send those subpoenas out. So the people who get subpoenaed will have to show up to say I plead the fifth and not answer any of their questions. It makes everything so much more important.

This is a child's interpretation of the fifth amendment. And I do think that if anything, Alex's actions are more likely to cause him to be censured or referred for contempt charges because it's just not reasonable to assume that he had a legitimate concern that answering any of those 100 questions would lead him to providing evidence against himself in a different potential prosecution. It's just a bizarre misuse of the fifth. How long have you known Stuart Rhodes for? I plead the fifth.

An alternative is that Alex has an almost cartoonishly sprawling crime empire and answering any questions about how anything in his life and business work would lead to proof of a crime. I would guess he'd rather not be the impression that he's sending, but it's not a totally unfair reading of the actions that he's taking. I've never met any of the people who worked for me before. There's a part of me that wonders if he legitimately did plead the fifth to all of these things. I think it's a possibility. I think it's an abuse of the amendment.

I think he'll probably end up, I don't think he'll get arrested or anything for it. No. But I do think that he could run into some kind of a fine or something, maybe. But the alternative is I do see it as entirely possible that he didn't plead the fifth a bunch because I don't think his lawyers would tell him to. I mean, he has bad lawyers. Yeah. But still, I don't think that they would be like, hey, here's how this thing works in

the Constitution, but it actually doesn't work this way. Right. I would say that if I were Alex and I had close relationships with a lot of militia people, I would not want to go on my show and say, I told the congressional committee everything that I know. I told them names. I gave them where they live. I gave them how many guns they bought from me.

I snitched hard. I snitched like a motherfucker. Yeah. I mean, in terms of like a forward facing thing for Alex, again, his fraudulent personality, this is exactly the thing you would want to say, but I don't know. I mean, again, because we don't have any word from any source other than Alex, I'm not totally convinced that is actually what he did. Totally.

And at the same time, if I knew a bunch of militia members, I wouldn't be surprised if giving away information to the congressional committee eventually wound up being a crime on my part of some sort. You know, I know too much. Yeah. So Alex, look, I mean, there's just a disrespect that he has for, I mean, basically all legal proceedings that are things he doesn't like. So you can't walk in to something like that with people like that.

I don't know. These lawyers are running it. I don't know if they're good people or bad people. They came all was polite. Nice. So they're bad people. Predators like Schiff back in the background, like a moray eel in the rocks ready to come out and eat you.

Then there's no reason to even dignify it because it's not legitimate. You can see here how Alex operates any case that's inconvenient for him or that is illustrating the negative space that he lives in will always be determined to not be legitimate. There's so many stupid conspiracies and right wing talking points Alex can fall back on. So anytime he's looking down the barrel of consequences, he can just pull out one of these and try to save face to the audience for the way he cowered instead of engaging with the process. He's got this made up story about Adam Schiff.

So this committee, this committee is illegitimate. He's decided in his head that he followed all the discovery processes in the Sandy Hook case. So that default judgment is illegitimate. None of these cases are illegitimate at all. What they actually are is threatening to Alex. So he needs to delegitimize them to his listeners, lest they realize the scams that he's running on that.

And that's that's how the that's how the cow ate the cabbage, as Alex would say. I think the only trial that Alex would see as legitimate is the Benghazi hearings is one where he was charged with being too much of a hero, right, perhaps the most hero anybody has ever been. And they were like, that's a crime, sir. You're too much of a hero. You've saved too many lives. This process is illegitimate.

So Alex, talk to these people. Their questions are legit, and man, he wanted to answer. Oh, who does it? Yeah. That said, the questions were overall pretty reasonable, and I wanted to answer the questions. But at the same time, it's a good thing I didn't because I'm the type that tries to answer things correctly, even if I don't know all the answers, and they can then kind of claim that that's perjury, because about half the questions, I didn't know the answer to.

And a bunch of more emails I'd never seen. And planning things I'd never seen, at least from memory. This dynamic is describing with how he answers questions. He doesn't actually know anything about that rings true to me based on his other deposition appearances we've heard. It's not him trying to be helpful, though. It's an attempt to spin a yarn that explains everything, even if that requires making things up.

And he does on his show, so it's not surprising that he would carry that over into legal settings as well. He has no respect for any case where he's possibly accused of wrongdoing, and he thinks he's above the law, so why would he give a shit about answering questions accurately? Accuracy is not important. Utility is. And making up stories that, I guess, kind of explain what people are asking about, and it's high utility.

Yeah. I have some questions about whether or not Alex had seen the emails he's referencing here. Without knowing what the emails are, it's hard to tell if they're things that he could have missed, but I get the sense that Alex claiming to not use email personally is a strategic decision, so he can always claim ignorance if he's ever asked about anything. Hey, Alex, we're going to go overthrow the country lol want to come? Winky face.

I never use emoticons. So Alex has their questions, and I would guess it's not a good idea to read their questions. Well, I would read those questions for sure. I think that might be not cool, but I don't know. I've got their questions here that I obviously couldn't answer under oath, because then they could, if I said something even halfway wrong, put me in prison, and then I'm going to give a shiff and those people what they want, just to dangerous for a process. But they did have some questions that were important.

If you define things like this, I can't imagine a court proceeding that Alex couldn't claim was too risky for him to answer questions in. If it wasn't a fake concern about shiff, it would be another congressperson who has some kind of conspiracy about them. It's not a real concern, it's a cookie cutter, fill-in-the-blank excuse for why Alex isn't standing up and taking on the system. Even though he insists he's totally innocent, he's being set up, and he has all the truth on his side.

This is kind of like how children rationalize situations that would be threatening to their egos. It feels like a kid who thinks that they're really good at basketball, explaining that they didn't even try out for the team because the coach doesn't like their dad. It's an excuse to not have to confront the reality that metaphorically, Alex isn't good at basketball, and trying out would reveal that publicly, and that would hurt his feelings. That's the vibe I get here. Yeah, and it would really make him look lesser than in the eyes of his inferiors as he sees.

And this is assuming that he actually did plead the... Right, exactly. That's assuming that the telling of this is accurate. Right. Are you telling me that he is going to read these questions and then give the answers that he would have loved to get? Not really. Not really.

Okay. He will get around to addressing a couple of them, but he doesn't let go down the list, which was unfortunate. That'd be so funny. I would have liked that information. He only actually addresses a couple, and we'll get to those when he does. Before that, this to me, if true, is bad news for Alex. But they did have some questions that were important.

Again, they have everything that's already on my phones and things, because I saw my text messages to Caroline Wren and Cindy Shafian and some of the event organizers right there. So they already have everything, and they already know I didn't do anything, I wasn't planning any violence. I was even talking about everybody should be peaceful. If they have that, you've got to assume maybe they have even more and yeah, you know, Alex, they don't have to give you everything they know yet in the, in a trial, right? They will have to give you.

It's called discovery. You've heard of it. Oh, I mean, you haven't really heard of it, honestly. He's heard. Yeah. Well, he's passingly familiar with the concept. Yeah. I think, I think that it would be tough for me to believe that there aren't at least

a couple of weird messages between him and like Ali Alexander or Stuart, you know, I don't. Obviously, I wouldn't know what's in that trash of texts and emails, but boy, I'd love to get my hands on that. I would really assume and again, we've talked too much about Alex's legal proceedings, but I would really assume that they are keeping things away from Alex's knowledge in the early going. Yeah.

I mean, I think a good strategy with him is absolutely not making clear what you know. Yeah, because if you do, then maybe he'll be able to do his thing where he comes up with a fake explanation for why everything is fine, but he's going to do that anyway. So if you let him do that with a false or incomplete understanding of the information that you know, you can set a trap for him. Yeah. Not hard. Which is why maybe he would like to be the fifth for everything because his behaviors

are self-defeated. Yeah. I mean, I feel like if I was, if I was those lawyers, I'd just flatter the shit out of Alex and just be like, man, if you had full power over all of these people, I'm sure you would have directed them to stop and none of this would have ever happened. Since you didn't have full power over them, which you should have because you're just so fucking great. But since you didn't, just let me know what you did do, you know, because I'm telling

you, it was all good. I'm sure it was all good because you're the best and the smartest and a true hero. Anyways, tell me what you were doing and what Stuart Rose was doing. We were planning to take over the couch. Gotcha. Shit. You fool. So there's one particular thing that apparently they asked Alex about that I actually find

fascinating. Uh-huh. And that is a little segment on his December 31st, 2020 show. Uh-oh. And again, I did not know a lot of the questions they asked. I had not seen the Matt Bracken clip from December 31st, 2020 when he was guest hosting because I hadn't watched when he was guest hosting. And I had only seen it once they sent me the subpoena a few months ago.

And quite frankly, I was shocked by it because I'd never seen Matt Bracken basically call for things like that. He was always the opposite. He was always saying, look out for provocateurs and look out for federal plants. He didn't normally do my show wearing an Info Wars shirt and all the background. I even noticed he's like an Info Wars guy. And then it's six days before January 6th and he's basically calling for what happened that day.

But oh, he wasn't there that day. He was up at the Washington Monument if you believe him. I'm not going to read into whether he's a bad guy, whether he's a provocateur or whether he just got hyped up in the emotion of the time. But to answer the committee's question, hell no, I don't support that and that's not what we stand for. Wait, wait, wait. Matt Bracken's Antifa.

What's going on? Yep. Yep. I guess, uh, I guess it turns out Matt Bracken was a FBI plant inside Info Wars deep cover to, uh, provocateur this whole thing for the last eight years, for the last six years at least hidden beneath all of those things that Alex loved so much was a desire to overthrow the government. So there's something up with Matt Bracken and I can't quite figure out what it is.

So Matt Bracken's been a long time, consistent fourth hour host on Alex's show and he's been a guest on Alex's show since at least 2016 and he was on with like David Knight even before that. And after June 17th, 2021, his appearances just stopped. Bracken was also a publisher on a, he was a blogger on the website American partisan with bylines going back to 2020. And then he has no more posts after July 2021. What the shit?

He's not dead, which I can assume based on his consistent posting on gab up until even today. So that got me thinking, what happened? Here's a guy who has an accomplished resume and Alex clearly trusted enough to close out the last show of 2020 and he just disappeared. I don't want to get too conspiratorial with this, but it does come to mind that the January 6th committee was formed on July 1st, 2021, and that the resolution to form it was introduced in the house on June 28th, 2021, which doesn't prove anything, but it looks weird.

And if I were on the committee, I might ask about that timeline. I would think, Hey, what's going on here? Here's a guy who's been on your show for years and years. He said, Hey, everyone should storm the Capitol on December 31st show. Then he, when the committee came around, he's just gone, he's gone. You know, I haven't gone anymore. He doesn't seem to be there anymore. I don't know if there's any relationship with that, but I would ask him about it just

in case it made him feel weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought that since Alex was going camping, why not flesh out this episode a little by checking in on what Matt Bracken Bracken actually said on that December 31st, 2020 episode of Alex's show. He's hosting the fourth hour and I honestly think it's a fairly standard Matt Bracken appearance. It's a lot of blustery talk about revolution surrounding whatever is the hot topic in extreme right wing circles at the time. That's kind of his thing and what he always does on info wars.

If the main issue is something about racial injustice, he'll insist that a race war is right around the corner. Yep. If it's gun paranoia narratives that are on top, he'll insist that they're about to take your guns and you need to be ready to kill people to stop them. Rise up. If it's an election conspiracy that's getting the most traffic, he'll do a video as he did in 2021, where he says it's either the ballot box or the bullet box. And if it's a big Patriot theme protest that he wants to amplify, it's not a surprise that he would be using extremely irresponsible and

inflammatory language. That's what his use is to info wars. And Alex knows that it's just that the shit he's fear mongered about in the past hasn't come true. And unfortunately, this time he straight up looks like a profit, but the wrong kind of profit for info wars, the kind that makes it look like they were really excited about and promoting the idea that if things didn't go their way on January 6th, the right wing would need to take over the capital. Anyway, let's dive in here with the man himself. All right, Matt Bracken. And actually, at the beginning of this report, he explains why he's

wearing an info wars shirt. Oh, no. You know, I'm wearing an info wars shirt right there today. I'm not a member of the info wars of the info wars team and any kind of a financial sense never been paid. I'm doing this for my home in Florida. But I'm wearing it because I'm proud to stand with Alex and the info wars family. You should get going into a new year and you know, we're going to do this stop the steel rally next week and we don't know how it's going to turn out. But there's a real serious chance that Biden and Harris are going to be the president and vice president. Obama will be a excuse me a

mile or so away in his the basement of his Washington mansion, feeding their scripts to them as he has said to set on TV. He'll be happy to just be the guy putting the words into the earpieces. So we know what's coming. So Bracken's wearing this shirt out of solidarity with the info wars family, but the info wars family has no solidarity with him. They should unionize this fourth hour No, no, no. See, this is why you get money. Okay. You make sure you get money. Grifters don't respect you unless you try and grift back first. But he is. I mean, he's selling his books and stuff like that to a much wider audience than he'd

have access to otherwise. Oh, of course. But you want a financial relationship that can be on the record with Alex because then you're more likely to get protection. He's doing this for exposure, though. Yeah, that's the that's the downside. Yeah. And I'm actually not 100% sure that there isn't a financial relationship. Yeah, that's fair. But I without any kind of evidence, I have no idea what that arrangement may be. But it seems bizarre to me. The idea that Alex would let people host an hour of his show without some kind of involvement anything. But yeah, so we've got this explained the shirt. It's not suspicious.

He's not a Antifa false flag actor. Not yet. So he talks a little bit about what his hopes are for the March. And then he says something deeply ironic. Oh, you know, I'm going to Washington next week. And I hope it's such a big rally that it's impossible to find anybody that, you know, that it'll be a sea of people. That's my hope. That's my goal. But, you know, to all of the anonymous ankle biters that that, you know, want to hack away at Alex. Let me tell you, the man has been a fearless leader now for many years. And he hasn't quit when it would have been easy. It would have been so easy at various points in the last couple

of years to say, you know what? I've had it. I'm just going to, I've done my part. I've done more than my part. I'm going to exit stage left and just live a quiet life. He didn't do it. Just like Donald Trump didn't do it. You're a couple months early on that recently talking a lot about it. Yes, we want to see you people. Yeah, which is fine. I mean, this is still in the ballpark of like, I just want a big protest. And I would like to not be identified at that protest. Sure. I'd like everybody to be able to blend in. Yes. I would very much like everyone. I would like this Waldo book to feature zero Waldos. Yeah. I mean,

it starts to get a little bit worse. So next week, on January 5th and 6th, what we have to do is show who's really in control. We don't control social media. We don't have all of these organs of power. We don't control the Department of Justice. We can't decide what criminals will go uncharged and what innocent people will be arrested in the middle of the night. We don't control that, but we can overwhelm them with sheer numbers. And that's why it's going to be our week next week. You know, we weren't around for Valley Forge. We weren't around, you know, during any of America's darkest days. And now we're so comfortable. It's so

easy to sit on the couch. So sitting on the couch is bad. Acting like our ancestors at Valley Forge. Good. Oh, man. So it's starting to get a little iffy. Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. No, it's not a good start. Again, this is so normal for Matt Bracken. Right. This is the kind of language he uses all the fucking time. Yeah. This is, I mean, you can even hear him being like a little blasé about it. Like, Hey, yes, obviously, we're going to take the country back. Yeah. There's two things. It's a lot blasé. Yeah. And also that affect is kind of also Matt Bracken ish. That's fair. He's not super excitable. Right. Right. Man, I would

just find it so funny if there was somebody who is just completely unaware of what was going to take place on the fifth and sixth, doing a regular ass broadcast, saying this exact shit, having no idea what's going to happen and then watching it on TV just being like, Oh, no. I bet Bracken did. Oh, shit. I have a strong suspicion that he may have. So this is, I'm getting a little bit worse. You get enough, enough Trumpsters, enough stop the steel rallyers to park on the bridges. You can bring Washington D.C. to a complete stop. If they try to prevent this peaceful assembly by keeping people away from the Capitol, then the people

are just going to do other things. And when the other side of this break, we're going to talk some more about that. But I can't emphasize this is our moment. You know, we have never been tested in our lives like we are about to be tested. We haven't fought a war on American soil. Oh boy. Since 1865. You know, we have been blessed. Our wars have been fought overseas in other people's territory. Blessing. Yeah, that's a blessing. We have to get off the couches, break away out of our free out of our, you know, peaceful, easy living and show that this country is not going to be stolen by these Democrat, socialist, communist globalists. We're

just not going to permit it. And next week is when we're going to show it. We're not going to, we're not going to allow this election to go down and we're going to show it on the six. And I just want to let anybody who's listening to this know I am associated with this. I want my name and Alex Jones is to be at the forefront of this exact thing that I am saying it's for posterity. Well, I mean, like, hey, you're already suggesting things like we could put a blockade around DC. Yeah. If they don't let us near the capital, we're going to try other things. Here's what we should do. We should have caches of weapons nearby. Don't bring them

directly into DC. That's a far greater federal crime than it would be if they were outside of the city. Now, again, I want to be clear that I don't think that this is out of the ordinary for Bracken at all based on the times that I've heard him on the show. Again, yeah, it's pretty close to normal. It's just that, unfortunately, it did do other things. That was the problem. Yeah. Yeah. And it's part of that. I mean, obviously has to do with the fact that the audience and the people who are there had been whipped into such a frenzy with these consistent arguments that the election had been stolen and it's proven and all that. And

so Bracken brings some of that up and he has an interesting source that I'm not sure I've heard Alex use. There's no question that that tens of thousands of ballots in these states were counterfeit. They were they were mass produced ahead of time. When you look at some of these these guys like this, this witness on the screen right now, Jovan Pulitzer, he's got 200 patents, you know, involved with the human machine interface like QR codes. He's a he's an expert on this and he says all he needs to see is the paper ballots. So Jovan Pulitzer didn't come up with QR codes. No, he came up with a handheld barcode scanner

called Q cat back in the year 2000. So the way it worked was that people would put barcodes in the newspaper like an advertisements and then this handheld device would scan that barcode and take people to their website. Naturally, because of how tech worked at the time, that meant you had to have this Q cat plugged into your computer and it just wasn't convenient. No, people did not care for it. Yeah. In 2006, PC World put out a list of the 25 worst tech products of all time and Q cat was number 20. Part of the reason for that was that it sucked. But the other part was that because there was a huge security

vulnerability that ended up being exploited and 140,000 users had their personal information out of here. Damn. So yeah, after that, Pulitzer went on to run a bunch of other scams like selling crystals and being featured in a history channel show as a treasure hunter. The 2020 election was the flame that attracted all the grift moths. So Pulitzer showed up and now he's a forensic ballot expert. And because these dum-dums like Bracken don't care who's saying something if they like what's being said, he was accepted as an expert to the point where his name is being evoked in this episode where Bracken

is about to advocate storming the capital because the election was stolen. That is, I think it's funny to see that progression of like he makes an invention that regardless of its technical applicability, which not high, I understand. However, a legitimate invention. Sort of. It's a barcode scanner that connects to your computer in 2000. That's pretty good. Right. That's not bad. I guess. But then your next move is treasure hunter. That's a long drop down. I think the crystals were after that. The crystals are a bigger drop down. I don't know. It's a lucrative market. That's fair. Some of those

sell for quite a bit. That's true. That is true. So look, the election's been stolen. Pulitzer's told us this. We all know it. And if you allow that to stand, there's going to be consequences in the future. Folks, if you let this happen, then it's on you. Then future generations will say you just didn't really give a damn. They stole the election, not even hiding it. So you have to act now. Our time is the sixth. And if you don't, future generations and posterity will know you as a person who didn't give a shit about liberty. Right. Right. So that's high stakes. You know, I'm interested in this question. Yeah.

Um, if the election were stolen, is he right? You know what I'm saying? Like is one of our bigger issues that the election wasn't actually stolen? I mean, that's obviously a very large issue. That's a big, biggest issue. I think you, I think the terminology election being stolen is way too vague to even really, because what does it mean? Right. If there is like an actual installing of a person, sure, then, uh, no, I still, I don't know. Then it becomes murky about whether or not there's justification for those actions. Right. Well, I mean, 2000 was stolen, but it's like, I don't think in that

case, it would have been justified. No, it wouldn't. That's why there's that gray area of, even though you could make a linguistic and actually like fairly decent argument that Bush was put in office by the Supreme Court. Right. I don't know if that, if that justifies trying to overthrow the government. Right. Right. Right. It would justify reforming the Supreme Court. Possibly. Yeah. Um, making some pretty serious overhauls to make sure these kinds of situations don't happen again. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good thing we did the opposite of all of those. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think you raise an

interesting question that I don't really have a full answer to. I think that people could puzzle over that. Yeah. I mean, I'm just, you know, like there's a part of me that is not in admiration for it by any stretch, by any stretch. Right. But of, of that, like they followed through, you know, like if, if what he's saying is true and this is what he thinks is the correct response to that, then they did it, which is a different thing from so many other people who are like, here's the biggest problem and this is what we should do about it. And I'm going to tweet, you know, sure. There's a difference there

that I, I recognize and I don't necessarily think is good. Right. But you know, I think what you're talking about is a fairly abstract point. Sure. I want to bring it back down to the ground a tiny bit because the evidence that is provided for why they think the election is stolen is so flimsy as to very clearly indicate that there isn't a conviction that this is the truth that the election was stolen. True. It's a conviction that they didn't get the outcome they wanted. Right. And so any explanation for why it is stolen is enough for them to be like, well, I can, I can look at that and

say like, look at this. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it was stolen. Yeah. I mean, like imagining the alternative scenario where like, let's imagine, I'm not saying this did happen, but let's imagine that there were evidence that Trump stole the election. Right. Yeah. Do you think that they would be doing this? They like Trump. Yeah. If Trump had stolen the election, they would not be storming the capitol in order to get an illegitimate president out. They would use the opportunity to make sure all elections were stolen from then on out. Right. Yeah. It's, it's the outcome was not what they wanted. So flimsy evidence

like this crystal weirdo, right. A treasure hunter as well. He created one of the worst tech inventions of all time. Treasure hunter. Right. So this is good enough to be listed as part of the evidence that the election was absolutely stolen. Well, the truth is a sort of treasure, Dan. I hunt it. So now that we have this, all this, this groundwork of if you don't act, future generations will condemn you. You'll be damned to the history. I mean, Bracken just really fucks up that we're not going to be saved by anybody above us. We're going to only be saved by millions of Americans moving to Washington, occupying the entire area.

If, if necessary, storming right into the capitol, you know, there we know the rules of engagement. If you have enough people, you can push down any kind of offense or a wall. Oh, that's not good. But if not enough patriots show up, then we're just going to watch our freedom go down the drain. It is a little shocking that he used the term storming. Oh, not good. No, not good. Looks bad. I would, I would not want to be in front of the congressional committee and have them play that for me and be like, now that's taken out of context. That's on your network. I didn't know it happened. Oh, so people, people call for storming the capitol on your

network and you're not even aware of it. Listen, I've never even listened to infowars in my entire life. I don't even listen to me when I talk. Listen, I've been dead for 30 years. Come on, man. So, you know, you have to, you have to stop the certification of the election no matter what. If they can steal an election right in front of our face, one video with, you know, hundreds of thousands of fake ballots, counterfeit ballots, fake names of people that don't exist and we can't stop it. Do you really think we'll ever have another free election in this country? Do you think they'll give us a chance to come back in two years and

push the Democrats out? Next week is a pivot in American history. Next week, we're going to stand up as free Americans or we are just going to cringe back to our sofa. Watch our country turn into a Marisuela. Lose our freedom. Wow. I like that. A Marisuela. I like it. Brutal. That's the mixture between America and a Voo Voo Zayla. Oh boy. Yep. So, you've got to stop this or else they'll never be free elections again. Yeah. You really have all of the sort of pieces in place to really be like, you have to do this. Yeah.

You know, sometimes I think part of why they get so amped up is because they would much rather have an enemy that actually seems to be fighting back, you know, like the Democrats were masturbating at the thought of getting kicked out in two years. They were like, oh, we won't have to do anything. Well, there's an interesting dynamic that Bracken also brings. I didn't cut a clip of this, but he talks about the Republicans in office as being the Washington Generals who are like happy to just lose all the time to all the bloatrotters

that are the Democrats. Sure. Sure. Sure. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? What world? Is Nancy Pelosi, Meadowlark? What are you talking about? The Democrats are not doing ball tricks. Something confetti on people. They're throwing water at people. It's ridiculous. So, I think that we have a whole lot here in terms of establishing, like, a call to action, specific things like blockading Washington, storming the Capitol as being the things that you need to do if you don't get your way in terms of blocking the certification of the election.

Right. And January 6th is the opportunity. And the only chance we have to stop this is a mass mobilization next week. If we don't see a million people in Washington, then I'll know. I'll know. Just not enough Americans cared. Freedom just didn't matter that much. As long as they had Netflix and a full refrigerator and a cozy sofa, they really didn't give a damn about freedom. And if that's the case, then we deserve everything that comes after this. I think it'd be great if all Americans were able to have a full refrigerator.

I think that's probably what we should be revolting about. Yeah, which I would like to discuss those material comforts that people should have. You know we're fighting against the Republicans because we don't have the full refrigerator. Yeah. Oh boy. So it's our chance. It's the chance. I really think he's laid out a call to arms to do the exact things that end up happening. Yeah. Now here's his depressing outro to this report.

Okay. I'm going to Washington. I'm staying for the duration. If there are debates, I'm staying till the end. I don't care. I've heard all about the hotel situation and Black Lives Matter. I don't care. I'm going. And I hope I see you there. I hope I see millions of you there. And I hope I see you again on Info Wars. Thanks for listening. Happy New Year. Boo. Happy New Year.

You know, I mean, I think he's got a great defense though. In front of the committee, here's what he can say because they can play that and he'll be like, listen, no, no, I know. You guys realize though, I'm Matt Bracken and no one listens to me, right? Zero people listen to me. I'm Matt Bracken. You could, you could, I mean, you could argue that his views are low. I do still think like, hey, hey, buddy, you're also a noted weirdo. That's true. You're talking about these plans, like these ideas. And I don't know if you'd want to call

them plans, but certainly like, seems like you've thought about this a little bit. I'm going to read the fifth before you ask me a question. You've been talking to anybody about this stuff. I'm going to read the fifth. Talk to Alex about any of this. I'm going to read the fifth. So that was all some pretty blustery stuff. And honestly, based on what Bracken is saying, the sixth went down exactly how he would have

wanted it to. Everything he was saying needed to be done was done. And the only problem is that the coup wasn't successful. Tons of people showed up hoping to intimidate the Congress into stopping the certification. And when that didn't work, people stormed the Capitol as Bracken clearly identified as one of the necessary steps that you could escalate to. I'm sure that on January 6th, if you had footage of Bracken, he would have been more excited than Harrison Smith saying that the Capitol had fallen to the Patriots. But after the fact, this doesn't look good. When your coup fails and you're left in a position where you publicly advocated for

all the things that went into the failed coup, you probably need to pivot a little bit. And unsurprisingly, that's exactly what he did in his next appearance after this, after the sixth. So it's pretty clear to me that Q was turned into something that would be used as a weapon against Trump. You know, a lot of well-meaning people went into the Capitol, Ashley Babbitt, number one among them. And I don't think that it's any coincidence that Ashley Babbitt found herself at ground zero at the double doors near the glass doors. She just wasn't wandering around and happened to find herself there. Outside of law enforcement, at least half of the people on that landing up the stairs by the glass doors, at least half of them are Antifa. This was a pure

Antifa operation. I think that that these guys, I mean, I'm talking about at the glass doors where Ashley was shot. I think that these guys spotted her on the outside as extremely motivated, super patriotic and thought, here she is. She's the kind of a naive dupe that we can use as a weapon. This is rank cowardice on Bracken's part. And I find this fucking distasteful. So bad. You can't bear to acknowledge that the exact things he was publicly advocating were the things that led to Ashley Babbitt to be in the position she was in, taking the action she was taken, when she was killed. And because admitting that is too difficult for him, Bracken's just created a fantasy story about it. With no proof other than his imagination, he's decided that Antifa

had seen Babbitt outside and thought she was so patriotic and she'd make a perfect patsy. So they lured her to the doors where I guess they somehow forced her to try to break through them. This is so pathetic. It's one thing to be a fair weather fan of a sports team, but to be a fair weather revolutionary who indicates such a lack of spine and conviction, it's just unacceptable. Matt wanted people to storm the Capitol. He said it was a good thing to do. And now that people did and the predictable result happened, it's gotta be an Antifa plot. This is a very precise example of the strategy that Alex uses, but he does it on a grander scale, in terms of stochastic terrorism. He engages in intense and emotionally manipulative displays of incitement. And then

when someone does what he obviously is saying they should do, that becomes an example of someone trying to false flag the Patriots to make them look bad. Alex is usually just smart enough to not actually say storm the Capitol in the part where he's trying to incite people, because that's how the business continues. Yeah. The thing to understand is that this strategy has two big payoffs. The first is the obvious one that it allows Alex and folks like Bracken to evade having to take responsibility for the consequences of their rhetoric when it actually comes down to it. The second is that they're able to pretend that their underlying cause was so justified and so important that the globalists needed to use a false flag to try to

invalidate it. In this case, the election was so clearly stolen that the only way to divert attention from that was to have this false flag, which they could then blame on the people who are saying the election was stolen, which is because their claims were so legitimate. Yeah. It's nonsense. It's very stupid. Yeah. It's so universal with these dicks too. It's one of the weirder things. I mean, you know, it's not weird. The entirety of the Republican party has been so fucked with in terms of their heads. But like, man, if I really was convinced by all of these dum-dums that the election had been stolen and that it was important to do what happened on the sixth, then to hear them do this would feel like the biggest betrayal. We've talked about that before.

I know. But before I gave a shit about the government again, which has already been stolen, like at that point, it's get rid of these fucking cowards. They're the ones who stopped us from winning. Well, you know, like that's that's such a fucking serious moment. Like if you're one of the oath keepers who's being charged with the suspicious conspiracy, you know what you did. Yeah. And to hear people throw you under the bus is gotta be like it calls into question what their their motives are. Absolutely. They're there. The people who clearly aren't on the same team as they were presenting to you as being on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There were. There won't be any shirts of Alex like there were of Shay. I don't remember Zapata coming out and being like, Hey, man,

I think I think this was actually somebody else's fault. I think this is completely not. Listen, we had nothing to do with this shit. I do wonder if like during those revolutionary times in the past and places, were there people trying to capitalize on it like Alex and Matt Bracken do? Were there like some kind of media grifters engaging in the same way? I wonder. I don't think so because I think the right wing, I think the traditional way of the grift goes the right wing does this shit. And then whenever the left wing does the fighting, then the media and everybody goes, Hey, this is wrong. And you guys have to stop. And everybody polices the left instead of, I mean, maybe, maybe I'm not entirely sure I'd like to do. I'd like to see somebody

have a study or kind of totally paper on that. So we get back to Alex. Now this is why they ask about Bracken. I just wanted to make clear that there is a reason that this is a relevant thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's not just some kind of a stray. No, he did that shit, but also again, I don't think that there's anything really too different than the norm for Matt Bracken. And Alex has every reason to be aware of the sort of rhetoric Bracken uses. And when Alex interviewed the Q shaman afterwards, Bracken was his co-host. He was on with him trying to create this narrative of false flag insane. Yeah. So fuck all that, but you can't go to the committee and be like, no, no, no, no, no, we say that all the time. Yeah. That's not going to play. It just didn't work

any of the other times. Exactly. It's not going to play. We've been trying to make this happen for years. Yeah. We've just been ineffective. So Alex gets to another question that they asked. And this is about the pictures and video of him at the Georgia State Capitol with Nick Fuentes and Ali Alexander and Vernon, Vernon Jones. I was quite frankly tired. I've been there having our demonstration calling for an investigation of the election. I didn't really want to go in. We'd given our speech outside. I want to go back to the hotel and eat a cheeseburger and do my show, but Ali Alexander and Jones wanted to do it. So we went through the metal detectors. That took an hour and a half. We went inside. We had a peaceful event

and we left. So that was our goal. And they asked who organized that and who planned that. I mean, I remember there were demonstrations already going on in Georgia. And so as best I can remember, we just went there to be part of the demonstrations to cover it, to be part of it. And then there's Vernon Jones. I think let's say his name. I've never heard a really nice, really smart guy. Never heard. Also spoke on January 6 in D.C. And so he invited us since we did the event. They asked me if we were with proud boys or if we were with. Oathkeepers and I do remember being at a Hooters that was my hotel eating and having, you know, there was a family that sat down and whether we drank a beer and ate cheese

burgers again. So yeah, there's your answer there. Yeah, there's Vernon Jones was on around my shoulder. And so that was what we had was a very friendly, very nice event. There wasn't any violence. I don't know if Alex recognizes this or not, but they're not asking about the Georgia thing for the sake of any violence or anything like that. This is a question about Ali Alexander, that when they're asking about who organized this, it has to do with the stop the steel and all of the things that Ali was doing leading up to the 6th. Right. I don't know if Alex recognizes that or is being intentionally obtuse. I do think that this is this is definitely one of those lines of questioning where you could see Alex feeling relieved, you know, being like, oh,

thanks. This isn't about the 6th. Sure. I'll tell you whatever you want to hear about this Georgia one. I didn't do anything wrong there. This will never come back to bite me in the ass, but he probably still played the 5th. I hope so. So they also asked the very important question of whether he had Proud Boy and Oathkeeper security on the 6th. And we know that Roger did. Yes. I have Oathkeeper security. Alex, on the other hand, he's not, he's not one of these poor people who accept free security. They kept asking me, do we use Oathkeepers? And who did we use Proud Boys as security? I hire professional security. I'm not putting these people down, but I get mobbed in these big crowds and big crowds are dangerous as anybody knows. It's just people can stampede

or there could be a backfire from a bus. They could storm the capital. They're dangerous. So yeah, I had 12 or 14 security people for all those big events, because when you're out in the middle of hundreds of thousands of people, you need that just to be able to get places. And so I hired DC and Maryland police. And I hired a well-known private security company here in Austin that is bonded, works for not going to name names, but the people that work for me have worked for, you know, the richest people in the world, the biggest government people, all of it. They've guarded Hillary Clinton. They've guarded, you know, Joe Biden. They've guarded Michael Bloomberg. Hell, I'll just say the names. And so I go and try to get professional people.

And of course, there's no way I had DC police and Maryland police off duty with us trying to do an insurrection. By the way, the company we hired was all black guys. What seems that's like an extraneous detail. Great. Great. I mean, I do like in a, what am I poor? I'm not Roger. I still have a job. Also, I'm fine with black people. What? What? I'll let them guard me. Hey, I won't, I have never had any problem with black people serving underneath me. It seems weird that you would think that that would be a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know at what point it comes up. But Alex does say like the head oath keepers around still. Sure. Well, and like, what are you not going to have them around? Yeah. I mean, whether they're not there, your official security, if

they're like following you around clearly. Hey, oath keepers are like chips at a party just because you don't eat them. Doesn't mean that they don't have to be there. It's a little weird. They got to be there. So Alex was at the ellipse and he almost bailed on going to the Capitol. He almost was like, I'm not going to do that. I just want to go take a take a shower. I just want to have, he loves cheeseburgers. I think he says he wanted to have a cheeseburger, but he didn't really have a lot of faith that anything was going to really happen. Well, they were just at it. I was just about to leave with my wife who was freezing to go back to the hotel and drink coffee and take a hot shower and not even be part of the Capitol thing. Because I found it hard to

believe from our, I want to say, White House source campaign has to run events, but it's liaison within the White House, Caroline Wren. And I'm like, yeah, let's just get out of here. And I was talking to Enlo who was with me. I took one security guy in to the ellipse as our other security was outside. And because that's a contained area with a secret service stuff where Trump was speaking with this 900,000 or whatever people around it. I'm like, you know, maybe we just won't do this because they're like, and then all of a sudden she's back there with all the secret service of people. She comes and opens the gate. They come over. They get me. They lead us through whatever it was. It was uniform people. Did you see said secret service?

We go back and we get let out. And then I'm giving the mission impossible job with a bullhorn that you can maybe reach a thousand people with. Oh my God. To midstream jump on pencil thing avenue where already God knows at least over a hundred thousand had gone before us. I don't know how many but see a people to try to then control that. People ask, well, then why'd you get up and try to stop it? Well, that's a little uppity. You know, it wasn't that. I mean, I felt like I knew Olly had this lot eight thing. I sound like a pipe dream that Trump was going to come speak, but I had and I just trusted everybody. I thought, okay, sure. We done all these other big events. I do feel like Alex pleading the fifth might be counterproductive to him. If any of this is true.

Yeah. Like if any of this is true, then he could be like, look, I was just doing what these people told me to do. Yeah. If I have somebody from the Trump campaign saying, Hey, you should go lead these people to the Capitol, right? I think you could maybe kick the ball down the road. Might be smart. Yeah. Might be smart because then you could ask the committee to be like, ask them. They told me to do it. Yeah. Well, I'm a tool of the conspiracy. You understand? I was used. It is. It is always fun whenever I see somebody who purports to be a leader really saying, I've never seen any of this or had any responsibility for any of this stuff at all. And quite frankly, I wanted to take a shower. Hey, I'm going to be honest with you. I never wanted to lead anything.

I kind of don't want to be here. Yeah. I mean, like, okay. So we had the speech at the ellipse and Trump was like, we're going to go to the Capitol. Alex knows that this is the biggest protest that had been planned forever to stop the steel shit. He said, oh, and on a fucking caravan across the country earlier for the stop the steel rally. Never. It didn't have anything to do with it. I was going to skip it. I was going to go back to the hotel. Oh my God. Patton's about to speak. My wife really wants to go. So I'm going to have to get out of here guys. Anyways, good luck with the war. Yeah. Alex is like a during the revolutionary war. He's like,

you know what Lexington and Concord sounds fun, but I want to have some stew. Don't fire until you see the whites. Oh, I could use some egg whites right about now. Maybe an omelet. Hey, you guys do what you need to do. Listen, I don't even know these guys tip of the spear, tip of the spear leader. So Alex, Alex again is trying to rationalize like why you don't engage with these committees, man. I can tell you what happened here and just give you the basics of it. You make one little mistake talking to that committee about what day something was done or whatever. They don't care if it's obvious it's political. They don't care. They got juries in DC that would convict a newborn baby and put it to death in order to do so for breathing.

Eat that baby. I've seen it and you've seen it. You've seen it. You can't go into something like that. Seen them kill baby. Deal with something at that level of corruption. I'm sorry. And so the whole thing is tainted. It's like a big bowl of soup. You put one rat turd in it. It's no good. Sure. No, it's not like that. But also I would love that if like young Billy, you have been accused of breathing, you stand accused of breathing guilty again. He's all you and he has no remorse death penalty. Exactly. Can't have this baby out here anymore. So ridiculous. I breathe. Look, I know Alex is using a metaphor, but still yeah so dumb. I know. So he as we've already kind of got the vibe of it seems like Alex thinks that he's making his statement to the committee on his show

where they can't prosecute the fifth for all the other stuff. And now, now it's time to speak. But to finish up my statements to the January 6th committee because I can't say it under oath because if I said that the background behind me is purple, they would say, well, actually there's some black in it. So it's not really purple. You lied prison five years. I really wonder if there's an ability because Alex is saying this that like he's making this statement on his show for them to then use his show as yeah, his statements. Yeah, why not? I mean, he wasn't sworn in and you can't say that they are true. But if you do know any information, you can say, well, we know this and this is how he presented it. And also guess what? We recorded these

fucking depositions or whatever. But does it become under oath then? If you're saying I'm making my statement. Does it? Can you do that? No, I don't know if there's some sort of magical transitive property. I guess, but I think there is in our society for some reason because we live in pretend world. I don't know if there is legally, but to me, that's what he's trying to convey to the audience. He's like, this is as good as under oath. I just don't trust them to be under oath for them. No, exactly. And it's just it's a facade. It's, it's, it's cowardice. If you're going to say that you didn't say anything to the sixth committee and then say, these are the answers that I would have given to the sixth committee. I'm only doing it on my show. Then that does

not suggest to me that you didn't say anything to the committee. That says you said something completely different to the committee and you don't want that information. I mean, maybe, I don't know. It's really hard to read. It is. So apparently one of the other things they wanted to know is if Alex had heard any rumblings of violence. Alex said Alex was rumblings of violence. Yeah. His stomach was rumbling. Alex was all violence. He just thinks it was from the left. Oh, it's all from the other few questions here. Did I hear about violence? And the answer is yeah, all over the news, Democrats were calling for burning down the cities for killing Trump and his family. New York Times writers, Washington Post writers, Hollywood comedians. They were all

saying kill Trump, kill his family, kill Trump supporters. Antifa was shooting Trump supporters in the back of the head all over the country. All over the country shot. Antifa was firebombing federal buildings. They attacked the Portland federal courthouse. What was it almost 100 days in a row? They attacked police with hatchets. The then vice presidential candidate bailed them out of jail. Antifa was coming to members of Congress houses bashing on their doors and breaking windows out. And so yeah, that raised the temperature a lot. But I heard no one around me call for offensive violence or talk about any plans for violence. I was doing it. I saw rhetoric on conservative TV and radio about it will might be a civil war and you know, it might be time

of the Second Amendment. That was a background noise. But you always hear that in politics in America. You always hear fucking coward. God, that's pathetic. I do like the the notion that like I heard some background noise on conservative shows about a civil war and how we need to start using guns on people. Maybe the Second Amendment. But hey, man, that's just the right wing has always been doing that. And the dodge of like that language was on your show. It wasn't on conservative radio that you heard it was your show. He doesn't listen to his show. I don't know what Matt Bracken saying. Never heard of him and leave Matt Bracken out of this just on his show. He was saying all of these things. Yeah, we heard it, but he doesn't want war, man. God, what? I fucking hate these

people. What a bunch of coward. It's very frustrating. Winging. So look, he doesn't want war unless one circumstance. No, if it's an information. Oh, sure. Let's get something clear for the committee. And for my audience and everybody else, I don't want a civil war in this country. And that's a terrible idea. And I don't want lawlessness by anybody. And I don't want anybody attacking anybody. Okay. Now, do I use rhetoric like if you want to fight, you better believe you've got one? Yeah, in the info war, it's time for us to stand up in the info war and say, I don't know how this is going to end. But if you want to fight, you better believe you've got one in the info war. That's what that means over there. Info war means we fight with information. We fight with

the truth. That's the whole point is it's a nonviolent war. That's what Alex Jones does. Fine. It's an information war. What's the information? Well, now people think that what we did was bad. What's the information, man? The information is that the government is killing us. They're going to destroy the Second Amendment and we should overthrow. Oh, shit. Why in this war that's all about information does Alex seem to be piling around with a lot of people who seem to be involved in physical war like Tommy Robinson or Gavin McGinnis or Stuart Rhodes or our old friend based stick man. Most of whom who don't have any information whatsoever. None. What exactly is the fight that you're bringing in the information war? Like, what does that mean? It doesn't mean

anything. We're propaganda to try and get people to over. Oh, no. Damn it. That comes right back around to we're guilty. Oh, shit. Damn it. So this was a shocking thing that I heard next. We did it. Nope. But take the we out of it and replace that with Stuart. No shit. I had my own security, but obviously everywhere we went, people followed us around of every different type and every different group. And Stuart Rhodes, I later learned from news articles would assign to someone to us because he was kind of doing the whole play in the general type thing. And I saw it all as larping. I mean, I didn't see. Turns out you're wrong. But but I saw a lot of it as high stakes playing soldier in the backyard and they do go out to burning cities and try to help

businesses. And that's not larping. That's real. You know, the other mission was something I really agreed with for most of its operations. But if the indictment's true, that they thought that they could foment and kickstart and detonate a rebellion at the Capitol that would then lead to a larger war, that is not something I knew about or something I support or something I want. So again, you're really getting my unofficial testimony here to the committee. Bye bye, Stuart. Yeah, Stuart. You've just been hit by a bus. Yeah. That's a big old one. Man. If what Alex is saying is the case, that kind of makes Alex the stupidest fucking asshole in the world. This dude has been a guest on his show for 13 years

and he was working to try and kick off a civil war. And then when it didn't work out, Alex had him on the show repeatedly to run cover for him and create the narrative that he didn't actually do anything wrong. And it was all set up by the left. He kind of have to assume that either Alex is the most incompetent, most gullible, most idiotic person in broadcasting or he's feigning this ignorance on the show because he knows he can't say any of this shit under oath without looking like a big ass liar. Yeah. Now, ridiculous. If I'm Stuart. Ooh. If I'm Stuart Rhodes. Yeah. And I have known Alex for how long? 13 years. I have made all of my positions exceedingly clear. Very. I mean, like with bullets. Too clear. Maybe. Yeah. I think that if you listen to

Stuart Rhodes' appearance on the show, he's very blunt about like, we need Trump to just fucking make a. Deputize us so we can kill our political enemies. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. He's very, very clear about that. Now, if I heard Alex say that throughout all that time, get real with that. He thought I was larping. I would be furious. Yes. Yes. That would be the most inferior. Are you're telling me that you've known me this long and you not once took me seriously? Not one time. No, because we have to actually parse this out a little bit. Right. Alex is saying on the sixth, he was larping playing soldier in the sandbox, right? But apparently he wasn't larping and playing a soldier in the sandbox whenever they would go

and try and intimidate people at social justice. Right. Right. Right. That was not that was very serious. Deadly serious. Very serious. They were professionals. We're big, strong men doing the right thing. We're powerful. Now on the sixth, whenever they stormed the Capitol and planned something that was a seditious conspiracy, sure that was just playing. I was larping. I was playing around. You what? You only bring several thousand dollars worth of guns to multiple different places around D.C. for the LARP. It was a goof. It was a fun time. They were all made of cardboard and foam. Yeah. I think Alex better hope that Stuart stays in prison. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Because otherwise they might have words. I think Alex better hope that Stuart doesn't find a way

to bring Alex into the same prison. So we got one more clip here and I think this is really revealing about the inner conversations that were happening about the sixth within info wars because I want the audience to know this too. The audience is like, Alex, we know we listen to the show. We know you don't want violence. We know you weren't part of it. We know you were pissed that day. You know, I was screaming at the crew and just frothing mad at what a disaster it was. And I wasn't mad at the crew. I was just in having a fit. And they're like, Hey, the Democrats stormed capitals all the time and burned stuff. I mean, sure it's not good boss, but I mean, we're not as bad as they are. And I was like, they're going to make this the end of the world.

They're going to try to launch martial law. They're going to make us all terrorist. They're going to never shut up about this. And sure enough, that's what happened. That clip is so revealing. Yeah. Alex's crew accepted that their right wing extremist buddies had done the storming, but Alex was furiously rejecting that idea. But it wasn't because he actually knew that they hadn't. It's because he was afraid of the consequences of accepting that they had. Yeah. Alex's opposition to the notion that the Patriots stormed the capital wasn't based on fact or evidence. It was rooted only in Alex's fear that if everyone realized that they had done it, it would lead to negative

consequences for people associated with that community of right wing extremists. Yep. That's key to understand. Alex needed to make up a story to evade responsibility and try to provide cover for right wing extremism. And that's his goal in the information war. Oh, no, no, no, Dan, as the tip of the spear, he wants to lie to escape consequences. What don't you understand about being the tip of the spear? I drive a lot to learn. Every time you stab somebody, don't you see? Don't you hear the tip of the spear go like, I don't think this is a good idea, but it turned around and then leave the tip of the spear pokes people and money flows out. Yeah, that's about right. And the spear blames another spirit. It's a completely different

spear. Is that halberd over there? I really think halberd Wolfgang halberd. No, halberd the medieval axe. Right, right, right. I get your wordplay. Yes. So I think that that clip is just so indicative of how his mind works. It's it's not about we didn't do this. Yeah, it was about the consequences of recognizing that if we have, yeah, they are never going to stop talking about this. So we cannot possibly accept that as being a conclusion that people are allowed to hear and accept. And we have to muddy the narrative soon enough that it can never be taken away. The wet concrete metaphor is very much in play and it will never be taken away. They will always, always, always believe that it had, they had nothing to do with it. And you could see that in the immediate

reaction after the sixth, the way that it was a mad dash to invalidate blame. Everything was everywhere. Goons dressed everybody but them. They're dressed up like Trump supporters. And that's why it looks like Trump supporters are doing this. And that's why you can see people like Matt Bracken immediately invalidate everything that he had been talking about. Everything he never believed in in order to just aggressively get in place this narrative because otherwise their worldview is fucked because the consequences of their rhetoric becomes too obvious to too many people. And just like after the Oklahoma City bombing, people start to take this shit seriously again. I don't know who it was. It might have even been you who made this point of like,

for a long time, it was more convenient and easier to just ignore these assholes. And at a certain point, we learn over and over again in society that like, all right, it is no longer the tipping point has been reached. It is no longer expedient to ignore them. Yes. There is a danger that this presents. And I think that Alex and all his dickhole friends recognize that after this, if allowed to be seen for what it was, that point would be reached. Right. And they had to fight against that in the information war. And they won. I guess. Yeah. Stuart didn't. No, no, no, no. But none of the low level guys were ever going to get away with it. I don't know if I'd call Stuart low level. Well, I mean, I mean low level in the sense of like ground troops, you know what I'm

saying? Sure. Like none of the media figures that I honestly, I honestly think that the way this is starting to look, I don't know if Alex is going to get in any kind of like serious legal trouble. But I think that from the sense I'm getting some of these questions that they're asking appear to be like pretty good questions. Yeah. No, they do. I think, I think that really excavating. Yeah. The stuff about the connections between the oath keepers who are hanging out with everybody. Right. Now that you have that indictment in place, right? The security that they were providing for people and how that interacts with the planning of the stop, the steel folks. I think, I think you got, you got something where people, people have something

to be worried about more than I thought. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. And this episode, I take not seriously at all, except for the ways in which Alex is revealing how he operates. I don't think that I know for sure whether he pled the fifth. I don't know whether he sang like a canary. I don't know any of that stuff and we'll learn more as more information comes out, but it's still relevant to recognize the way he covers things up, the way he makes excuses for himself and pretends a, if I didn't answer any questions, it's totally justified because this is an illegitimate committee run by a forger. You know, it's, it's nonsense. He's a coward. Yeah. That's, that's so fucked up to me because it's like, I almost want to be like,

with right wing people, I want to be like, Hey, before we even talk about being right wing, whatever you believe, fucking, you're, you're entitled to it, but this guy's a giant coward. Just don't follow him. You know, like follow, follow another piece of shit. If you want to believe shit, let me clarify, let me, let me qualify that. Don't go with the Nazis though. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously don't, don't go with that direction. Don't go with Nazis with courage. I don't want any of that shit anywhere near me. Here's what here. Here's the way I would articulate what you're saying. Yeah. Recognize the ways in which this guy is a coward and he's using false information in order to enable his cowardice and his business

grift. Right. Right. Look at that and let that be a learning experience for you. So anybody else you're considering following, use that kind of same scrutiny about what they're up to. No. And see if you can, uh, see if you can find better sources of information. Yeah. I mean, it's just that, that like, listen, it could not get any more clear. They will incite you, they will lie to you, they will try and get you to commit the worst crimes. They will have you on your show, their show for 13 years. Totally. Totally. And then they will let you die and tell people that it was nothing to do with them. They will let you go to prison. They'll say they've never heard of that type of behavior and you will be abandoned in a heartbeat if it is expedient

for them. Yep. That's what I want in the leader. Yes. So we come to the end of this, Jordan. Um, and I think, uh, I'm interested to learn more, but I don't think I know anything at this point. Yeah. That sounds about right. Yeah. And we'll be back. But until then, uh, we have a website. We do. It's knowledge fight.com. Yes. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge underscore fight. And I go to bed, Jordan. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis. And now here comes the sex robot, Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.