Knowledge Fight - #647: February 8, 2022

Episode Date: February 11, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan tune in to hear Alex go really overboard trying to drum up fear of Russia starting a thermonuclear war, only to have one of his guests ruin all the fun. Plus, Alex finds a fitting representative to speak about the Ottawa protests, and Ted Anderson drops by, but he's not selling gold. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding me. Hello, Alex. I'm a big fan. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight.com. I love you. Everybody. Welcome back knowledge right now, Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are the king of the road. King of the road. No. I mean, you know, praise. Yeah. Sure. How you doing? I'm all right.

I have a question for you. Yeah. Yeah. What's your right spot today, buddy? Why don't you go first? You need it. Well, my bright spot is last night. I went to CYSK comedians. You should know of which you are an alumnus. Sure. You have been you have been known. Yes, absolutely. I hosted it a couple times. Marty or friend Marty DeRosa once famously said that I quote redefined what it means to debut at CYSK is very generous. Yes. Very complimentary redefined it. I think that was just because I ran the light accidentally by like by like three minutes. Oh, that's not a good idea. I didn't see it. That happened. Yeah. Yeah. No, I went there. It was a great show. I got to see Marty DeRosa. The aforementioned he hadn't he hadn't done

stand up in a long time. First time up in forever. And I can't believe how hard he crushed it. He's great. It was ridiculous how good he is. Very funny dude. And then Kristen to me. I've known her since I started comedy 12 years ago. Amazing. I love her. She was awesome. Yeah. And it's just it's great to see him. Fun. Yeah. And my car my car got towed. Right. And I walked around downtown Chicago until about one a.m. when I finally just got on the train and went home. Yeah. That's fun to when there's no resolution. It's super awesome when your car gets towed. You stumble around trying to get out of lock up trying to find it up. And then I was like I'm not going to do this tonight. It's not going to happen. That does that does

suck. I know that like it's it's not good as an experience to have your car towed anywhere. Right. But I think in Chicago it's a particularly miserable experience. No. No. It's the worst. Yeah. Thankfully I've never had a car while I've lived here. So I've never had to suffer this. But I've been around a number of people who have that fate has befallen them. And yeah it's bad news. Yeah. The first time I lived in Chicago when I was 19 I had my car towed. And again it was about one a.m. Yeah. My cousin had already gone to sleep. I had walked about two miles to his place and he had already gone to sleep. So I had to walk another three and a half miles back to my place. Yeah. It was not great. It was a bad night. It was a bad night. Sounds pretty bad.

Don't don't get your car towed in Chicago. Anyways what's your bright spot. Well I mean like my actual bright spot is like stuff I can't really get into yet. Right. Sort of side projecty kind of stuff. OK. Maybe coming down the road. But I feel like that's teasing and kind of not appropriate. So my bright spot is my car didn't get towed. I guess your bright spot is rubbing it in. Just having a little fun. Put a little rub a little dirt on it cry baby. So Jordan today we had an interesting episode to go over. We're going to be talking about February 8th 2022. Oh that'll be fun. This this episode is pretty extreme on Alex's party. He's very scared about some stuff and then it really blows up in his face. So that there's a fun there's

a fun arc to this and I'm excited to get into it. But first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks. Oh that's a great idea. So first tallest purple. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next use code knowledge fight for 50 percent off at my pillow dot com. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. If Mike Lindell really did want to fuck with us that would be a good way to do it. That would be amazing. That would be amazing. Like there's actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's not even. Yeah. We don't own two words. Next the books that burn podcast currently reading River of Teeth by Sarah Gailey. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk.

I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. I had to I had to do that now because otherwise it wouldn't be currently right. That's true. That's true. So also we got two technocrats in the mix Jordan. So first Salistine. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat and I never realized how orange Alex is. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. I'm just going to take a little break now. A little break for me. And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I got to be taken out there. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you wrote in on

and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. He may be better. He may not be. I appreciate one thing about that drop more than any other, which is Dan, you have broken both mine and every other policy wonks brain because I cannot get away from take a little break. Take a little break. Everyone is doing it. A little break. You can't not do it. Every time you want to take a break, all of a sudden you're like, take a little break.

Sure. And anytime you need anything, you yell mama. No, it's it's too bad. It's brutal. Your drops have broken the brains of many, many up of Wong. I'm just doing my part. I appreciate it. So Alex has a overarching narrative on this show and it essentially has to do with the situation with Russia and Ukraine. Right. And this is before Alex's actual show bumper starts. He's just muttering over. Okay. So here's how he begins. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a maximum red alert. Vladimir Putin is officially threatened for a wide thermal nuclear war. If NATO continues their invasion, red alert, maximum war tune in now, spread the word in the wars, the most banned network in the world. So that's the sting. And then it goes into his

bumper and he starts the show. So that's that's how you know this is serious. Ladies and gentlemen, total thermal nuclear war begins now. Info wars. Yeah. So yeah, there were some there were some comments that Putin made after his press conference or I guess it was in the press conference after his meeting with Emmanuel Macron. Yes, recently. And there is some talk of moving some missiles and what have you. This may be interpreted as a direct threat of nuclear war and escalation, but you know, either way, it's not great, but I think Alex might be a little bit buck wild on this. It's important to understand any kind of threat that Russia may be making vis-a-vis discussing their nuclear capabilities in the context of political history because Putin and

his administration do this a lot. No, I've never heard of them doing this before. In 2014, foreign minister Sergei Lavrov threatened nuclear action against Ukraine if they tried to take back Crimea. In 2007, they warned Poland at the Czech Republic that they could still nuke them even with Western anti-missile defenses, attempting to dissuade the countries from letting the U.S. put these defense systems in their country to begin with. Right. This happens a lot. And there's a pretty simple explanation. It's one of the very few pieces of leverage that Putin and Russia actually have at their disposal to use. And because of that, it's become a state policy to use threats of nuclear war in order to de-escalate situations that couldn't be de-escalated otherwise. So Putin came into

power in 2000. And shortly after that, that April, he put in place a new military doctrine which replaced many key parts of the previous doctrine that had been put in in 1993. One of the main pieces that's relevant to us now is that in the original version, nuclear arms could only be used quote, in cases of a threat to the existence of the Russian Federation. The new version expanded this to allow for their use, quote, in response to large-scale aggression utilizing conventional weapons in situations critical to the national security of the Russian Federation. They opened it up a little bit. Right. Right. Right. Which is what you want from nuclear weapons policy? Sure. The former head of Poland's National Security Bureau, Stanisław Kołże, explained how this

works in practice in an article from Politico Europe, quote, the numerous events of Russian nuclear blackmailing add up to the Russian strategy of information warfare, which aims to intimidate the West and enable Russia to reconstruct its sphere of influence in ex-Soviet Union states. It's a PR tactic. Right. And also, it's a bluff, but not one that you ever want to risk the calling. Not a fun bluff. Don't don't fuck with that bluff. Yeah. Many folks who speak on the matter view this as a propaganda tactic, because ultimately this nuclear deterrence also exists within the nuclear deterrence that many NATO countries also have nuclear capabilities. Right. So it goes both ways. And Russia knows that if they were to actually use those nukes that

they're posturing like they're going to, the response would be swift and devastating for all parties. Their ultimate goal of protecting the Russian Federation from NATO influence wouldn't be served by the Russian Federation getting nuked, but the goal can be served by threatening to use nukes and banking on that threat being enough to intimidate and change the behaviors of NATO and the countries in the region that wish to join it. Right. This is a really serious situation and things are tense, but it's important to recognize how little Alex engages with any of this shit. Putin has said that he's going to move some missiles, perhaps, and Alex starts his show doing this grotesque movie trailer voice about thermonuclear war. When you recognize that the

threats that Putin is deploying are part of his information warfare strategy, then you have to realize that all Alex is doing is either wittingly or unwittingly amplifying and playing right into that strategy. The more this threat is hyped, the greater the chance of forcing a NATO de-escalation and capitulation to Putin's demands. Right. Then again, the world is completely insane in 2022 and many things that would have been seen by conventional wisdom in the past 20 years as, you know, being impossible. I don't know if that holds true anymore. So I don't want to entirely downplay this situation. Right. The point I want to make is just that if Alex were half the geopolitical expert he pretends to be, he wouldn't engage with this piece of news this way. Right. Saying that

Russia is threatening thermonuclear war and he's going to get really extreme with it. I mean, I think it's probably a bad idea. Right. But that's just because I've never seen total nuclear war before. So, you know, maybe there are some positives that I haven't considered. You know, I haven't lived through one. Yeah. I think that Alex really likes to use the specter of that possibility as like a way to excite people. Yeah. And that stinks. The end of all human life. Come on, baby. Let's get it up. So Alex has this story about Putin and he has a source on it, but it actually isn't his source. Right. So the source isn't a Daily Mail article. Okay. That's where it starts. Right. Alex did so much more digging on this thing. We'll see. We'll see. All

right. Here we are on the edge of thermal nuclear war. When I saw this quote this morning in the Daily Mail, I had trouble believing it. So I went and searched some of the quotes and found it nowhere else in the western news. So then our crew spent some time and found it in Russian and we checked it and had it translated and indeed we found a version that has subtitles where Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia, has threatened nuclear war and said within the blinking of an eye, he says you won't have time to blink your eye if NATO continues its article five takeover. I've got the quotes right here in the video of Ukraine in this proxy war. We're going to basically stop you. Basically is in there

apparently. Yeah. So Alex is trying to pretend that he did all this legwork and the crew dug up and found intel about this Putin speech that isn't in this Daily Mail article he read, but spoiler alert, that's all bullshit. Eventually Alex plays this translation that they supposedly came up with and it's just literally the video that's embedded in the Daily Mail article. It even has the Daily Mail logo. Sure. Yeah. But I mean, but you know, they got it from Russia. Right. Alex is just reading the subtitles to that are in that video. Of course. He didn't do any translating. It's nothing. What a dick. He's pretending that he did a ton of work on this story because he wants to create the impression that he has access to

information that the rest of the world and the media doesn't have access to or they're choosing not to talk about. Exactly. So in reality, you can really easily find an English translation of this entire speech that Putin gave on the Kremlin's website. And Alex's version is just the Daily Mail version and it doesn't really match the claims even that he's making. It still doesn't match up. I just like hearing that the Kremlin has a website. How stupid is that? Isn't that kind of silly like in your brain? I think I think Kremlin. I think most governments. Everybody has a website repository. It's kind of silly. I don't know. Yeah. I don't. I don't know if it's any sillier than the White House website. I think they're all silly. Sure. Yeah. At least it's not

like a blog spot. Yeah. Kremlin.substack. Sure. One day. One day soon. Yeah. You're probably not wrong. So the message that Alex wants to send is that Putin was saying that if Ukraine joins NATO, you won't have time to blink your eye because there's going to be nukes shot off. That isn't really accurate to the transcript provided by the Kremlin. There is a reference to something happening speedily. In this case, in the heartbeat instead of a blink, but it's not necessarily about nukes. It's about how if Ukraine goes into NATO and Russia attacks Crimea, which they interpret as defending Crimea because Russia views it as their own, then quote, in a heartbeat, all of the NATO countries would be drawn into a war with Russia because of the

rules of Article 5, which state that if one country is attacked in the group, everyone comes to their defense. Right. There are slight differences, but these are the fingerprints of a lack of exploration that Alex did on the topic that he seems to want to like, he wants to make it look like he's taking this very seriously and did a lot of digging into it. And he's missing like the actual contours and context of what is being talked about. Right. And that's kind of irresponsible, especially when the topic is impending nuclear war. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex is covering this like he has done intense digging and that he's, he's really gotten to the bottom of this thing in a way that no one else has. And he feels like no one else, no other media outlet is covering it the way that

Info Wars is. That is true. Headlines are all about Russia makes a fool of Macron by denying that Putin agreed to deal. But that's not what the headline really should state. Info Wars got the headline right when we took the quote and posted it. Vladimir Putin warns a nuclear war could break out if Ukraine joins NATO. So this headline that Alex has of like humiliating Macron, that's the Daily Mail headline of one of their articles. Right. The other article is Putin threatens nuclear war. So they have two articles, one of which is essentially the same headline as the one that he is arguing no one has. Right. And I think that he just didn't look for anything or he's lying about what outlets used as their headlines. He did so much digging. How could

he not know? So there was this in the Metro quote Putin uses dire threat of nuclear war in Europe if he doesn't get his way. Well, they got it wrong. Or there's the Daily Beast quote Putin threatens nuclear war over Ukraine. They didn't say Info War stuff. News week had quote Ukraine crisis could lead to nuclear war under new strategy. Okay. Well, that one's exactly right. Days before this, the Financial Times ran the headline quote, US believes Russia plans nuclear exercise to warn West over Ukraine fun, which seems to fit in with the larger picture of how this rhetoric has been traditionally used by Putin. Alex isn't discussing any exclusive news. Plenty of other outlets are running with the same lead as him. And more importantly, he didn't put a single unit

of effort into this reporting, since it's just him riffing on a Daily Mail article while pretending that he and his team scoured the internet for raw footage of the speech and translated it. This is just a performance of trying. Yeah, that's, that's brazen. It is brazen because nobody really thinks you did that much research, man. Nobody does. But it's funny to imagine that this is all true. This is the result of all of his digging. Well, but let's play a fun game. Okay. So Alex finds this Daily Mail article and he's like, I don't know. I can't take this. I can't take this seriously. Can't trust it. So he goes searching, can't find anything else on the internet. All of his people finally find it in Russian and they translate it and they dig even deeper

and they find a video that has subtitles and it happens to be the same video that's in the Daily Mail article. I, I'm going to go even further down the stupid rabbit hole. I'm going to say they went to the Daily Beast article and they were like, there's no way this can be true. So they went to dailybeast.ru Daily Mail Daily Mail.ru and got it in Russian had Daria retranslate it back into English. See, that's that, that's that that thing that makes any kind of Russian translation seem believable because Daria works there. Yes, exactly. We do know that someone there speaks Russian. We do know that. Can't argue. But that plausibility still doesn't make any of this make sense. No, he didn't do any of this work. No, but anytime we talk about anything in Russian,

he's going to have to be like, we had somebody, oh, I had a crack team translating it. So we get to this Daily Mail video. Alex plays it and then reads the subtitles over it. And there's there's some very slight differences between this and the Kremlin transcript that I want to discuss because I think it does actually change some of the meaning. Interesting. So let's go ahead and roll that video. I'll put it. I want to say again. Take the cube down for me, second reader, please. I've been saying it, but I very much want you to finally hear me and deliver it to your audience in print, TV and online. So this part in the Daily Mail video matches the Kremlin transcript pretty closely where there's is quote, I want to reiterate,

I've said this before, and I would really like you to hear me this time and convey this message to your readers, viewers, and internet users. There's a prior context that's missing, however, because this is just where the Daily Mail video begins and Alex has no idea of what happened right before this. The question that Putin is answering is quote, is Mr. Macron your only dialogue partner in Europe? You said he was a good conversationalist. Do you consider him as an intermediary to convey your message to Europeans? Sure, a very good question. So this is something that will matter later as it relates to the larger point of Putin, what he's saying, which we'll get to here in a moment, but that gives some idea of why he's saying what he's saying, because this is a response

to that question. Right, right, right. So here's where we get a little bit more context, right, immediately after this. This is all straight through. I didn't cut anything out. Do you understand it or not that if Ukraine joins NATO and attempts to bring Crimea back by military means, the European countries will be automatically pulled into a war and conflict with Russia? So this is really the point of Putin's answer. If Ukraine joins NATO, Russia is not going to respect Ukraine's claim to Crimea, which will lead to conflict. Right. And because Ukraine will be then a member of NATO, all the other NATO countries will have to defend them, which puts them immediately into conflict with Russia. This is important to understand in the context of the

question, because it has to do with the message that he's hoping to send to these leaders of European countries that would be affected by this and sucked into that war conflict. It's essentially an attempt to blackmail the European countries to not support Ukraine joining NATO, because if they do, the question of Crimea will become their problem. And Putin is signaling in advance that he's not going to budge on it. That's the message. Listen, listen, I'm not saying that anybody's going to do any harm to you. If you join NATO, I'm just saying that other things that are already in place could be a problem for you. I'm just saying don't join NATO or do. I don't even fucking care, man. You do you. And all I'm saying is we'll see what fucking happens. It's less even a message to Ukraine to

not join NATO. It's like, don't support their joining NATO, because then this is going to be on you. Literally don't let them join NATO. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Because if you do, they're going to get into a fight with us and now you're in a fight with us. Yes. Or do you want that France? Or NATO is Germany useless. If you're not, if you if you let them join NATO and then you're like, well, we are going to let Russia take Crimea, then there's no point in NATO period. Well, spoiler alert, there have been a number of times that this everybody coming to the aid of the party has not necessarily happened. It's very weird. So the the clip goes on. European countries automatically will get into a military conflict with Russia. Of course, NATO and Russia

potentials are incomparable. We understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear states. And by some modern components, it even outperforms many. So this is a subtle hint towards the threatening of using nukes, but it's not really a direct threat. This is Putin expressing that he's well aware that NATO's combined military strength outweighs his but he has a nuclear deterrent. So pure military strength isn't the only determining factor. Right. This doesn't read to me to be a strong threat to use a nuke because you have to remember the context. This is about Crimea and the dominoes that will fall if Ukraine joins NATO and Russia doesn't give up their claim to the area. This will lead to war, but that doesn't

necessarily mean that it's going to lead to a nuclear war because that would kind of be counter productive towards settling what's essentially a regional territorial dispute. I'm not saying that it couldn't spiral out of control, but you know, what would they do? Nuke, Crimea, that's not in their interest. No, no, no, you look, Crimea is part of the Russian Federation. And that's why we have to nuke all of Europe. Does that not make sense to everybody? It makes perfect sense. I understand how the fear and the anxieties around regional conflicts getting out of control to the point where they absorb the entire world. Right. We've seen that before. I respect that anxiety. I understand it. It was a problem last time. Well, not the last time. I know. It has

happened a number of times. But like the same rhetoric was flying around in the advance of the 2008 war with Georgia and the 2014 hostilities in Crimea. And even though there was active war happening, there weren't nukes used because that weaponry didn't match the goal of these conflicts. These comments that he's making kind of read the same way. It's not so much, or at least to me, they do. It's not so much of these saying he's going to nuke anyone over the conflict, but that the rest of the world shouldn't get involved because you wouldn't want to be at war with a nuclear power, no matter what. Right. No one does. That's why nobody's just like, hey, North Korea, let's fight and then we'll get this shit out of the way. Nobody's doing that.

So yeah, this is kind of how this nuclear comment reads to me. But Alex is reading it an entirely different way. And I think a fair amount of it too is just getting out of hand, man. Alex has taken this in directions that it does not need to go. There will be no winners. I can pause there. Back it up 10 seconds. So we just threatened to use their hypersonic cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. Both. And of course, the United States has even stuff more advanced that's secret. But the point is, is that it doesn't matter. It's nuclear weapons. And they've got Russian suicide soldiers with suitcases already in Europe. It doesn't matter if space based system shoot down the Russian ballistic missiles or submarine

launch missiles. It doesn't matter. The nukes are all over the place. So now he reads the mistake. So now we reach the point where Alex just starts freestyling his own doomsday narratives. Apparently somewhere in this transcript that he's translated, there's information that Putin has embedded suicide agents with suitcase nukes all over Europe. Right. Right. That's definitely not a James Bond plot. Right. I don't know about you, but leaving aside the important point that I don't believe any of that, how can Alex possibly ever think that someone who would have sleeper suicide suitcase nuke agents all over foreign countries could be anything less than a fucking super villain? How can Alex honestly think that Putin is some kind of force for good bringing back to the west?

He's also creating elaborate high tech situations like this that would essentially allow him to hold the entire world hostage. Again, like you said, like a fucking bond villain. Yes, absolutely ridiculous. You can't possibly think. None of these countries have any idea that Putin of all people is just having people carrying around suitcase nukes wherever they go. Or all the countries are like, well, there's nothing we can really do. If you want to carry a suitcase nuke in fucking Nebraska, go to town, man. How can you tell the difference between a suitcase and a suitcase nuke? Chained to your wrist. Possible. Impossible to tell. Always wanted to have a suitcase chained

to my wrist. It's a achievable goal. It's very easy to do. You can do it. You just need a suitcase and some handcuffs. No, that's an old bitch. Hedberg joke. Oh, yeah. So look, this is silly. Yeah, I don't I don't really think that this is I think this is a real, real serious escalation and sense sensationalization of the topic that Alex is covering. And I think it's a little bit disrespectful to the actual seriousness and the tension of the situation that's going on in Ukraine right now. Yeah. And it goes on. So here's here's what the Putin clip continues. And you will be pulled into this conflict against your will. We won't even have time to blink your eye when you execute article five collective

defensive NATO members. So here's where there's a slight difference in the translation. And I think in this context, the the Daily Mail one seems less accurate and so on Alex is reading. So in the Daily Mail one, Putin says, quote, you won't even have time to blink your eye when you execute article five. Whereas the transcript from the Kremlin says, quote, you will be fulfilling article five in a heartbeat even before you know it. From the surrounding context, it makes more sense that Putin would be saying that if Ukraine joins NATO, these European countries would have to invoke article five and come to Ukraine's aid involving Crimea in a heartbeat. Right. That conflict exists and it isn't going away. So if Ukraine is involved in a collective alliance of mutual

protection, the second they join all of these governments will have to enact article five. Right. Conversely, the Daily Mail translation makes it sound like there's something else that will happen after article five is invoked. Hey, you say article five nukes are on their way to your house. That's kind of what the Daily Mail. That's kind of how it sounds. Yeah. They say you won't have time to blink your eye when you execute article five and that heavily implies. Yeah. And that's the way Alex is reading this. It's that sort of what is that day after tomorrow thing. Yeah. Like in a flash of a second suitcase nukes. You guys, you guys sign the papers. Everybody's taking the picture and nukes are on their way to your. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And that doesn't

quite match how the transcript itself reads. Right. Larger picture. Yeah. The transcript itself kind of more is real politic idea of like this and this is how it is. Now are we the aggressors? No one can say really what is aggression. I'm not. And also I want to be clear. I'm not saying that Putin's right or anything like that. I'm just saying that Alex is not dealing with this accurate. Yes. Yeah. That'd be weird if we all of a sudden were Putin apologists. That would be strange. That would be an odd one. Yeah. So be an odd turn. So here's the another clip here as it goes along. Mr. President Macron of course doesn't want this. And I don't want it. And I don't want it. Which is why he is here. Turing with me for six straight hours.

Alex misread the subtitle there. He didn't say that Macron had been touring with him. Putin said that Macron had quote been tormenting me for six hours now with his questions guarantees and solutions. The Daily Mail translation actually had torturing instead of tormenting. This is where Alex's understanding of Putin's comments begins and ends because all he has to go on is that Daily Mail video and that's where the video cuts off. Immediately after this clip ends Putin said of Macron's diplomatic visit quote I believe his is a lofty mission and I'm grateful to him for his efforts. For our part we will do our best to find compromises that suit everyone. There's not a single point that we consider unachievable in the proposals we sent to NATO

in Washington. So this seems like somebody who has at least rhetorically an interest in keeping negotiations open. Right. Not somebody who's about to fire off nukes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean ultimately listen here's how we want to get Ukraine by threats because it costs a lot of money to actually fight a war. So if maybe I threaten you with nukes you guys will be just like you can have Ukraine. Yeah. And you know it's really expensive getting nuked. It's so expensive. Yeah. To I mean imagine you're in Moscow. Right. And you're just going along your day and then you're getting nuked. That's like at least 50 to 60 dollars to rebuild. Definitely. Right. So if you drop the context here like you can dance around insist that Putin's threatening

nuclear war and that's what Alex is doing. If you read the full transcript that doesn't feel accurate that feels like a bit of maybe some clickbait nonsense. Alex just trying to make everyone afraid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a smart idea if you're helping Putin. It's also a smart idea if you want to drive traffic. Yeah. Keep people like in a state of impotent fear like Alex does with his audience. Yeah. Have you. Well I mean have you practiced ducking and covering lately. You have a desk. I bought the new desk. The problem is there are bars on my side. So I don't have any ducking cover ability. Yeah. I'm dead in here. You got to flip over the chair. That didn't that wasn't in the video. No. But you got it. You got a freestyle

sometimes. That was fair. So Alex has done doing his little breakdown of the Daily Mail video that he's pretending is some product of deep research. Sure. And he comes back from break. And it's just this is misreporting. Vladimir Putin officially threatens to use nuclear weapons against Europe. If NATO continues takeover of Ukraine and official press conference Putin threw down the gauntlet warning the West of NATO invokes article five and absorbs Ukraine to NATO within a blink of an eye. He said the West will see a massive military response. Then he says NATO has the force to crush Russia with conventional weapons and he will use nuclear weapons and that he will strike Western Europe. Now let me break down the timetable on this if this starts

so this isn't just this isn't accurate based on the actual press conference that Putin gave nor is it even accurate to the Daily Mail video that Alex is using as his source. And there's two really critical things that I just I need to talk about. Right. The first is that Alex doesn't seem to even understand conceptually what he's talking about. The way he's talking about article five shows that he thinks that it's something that NATO can invoke to absorb Ukraine into the group. But that is not correct at all. Article five states quote the parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all. And consequently they agree that if such an armed attack occurs each of them in

exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations will assist the party or parties so attacked by taking forthwith individually and in concert with other parties such action as it deems necessary including the use of armed force to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. It's the rule. It's the rule that an attack on one member state is an attack on all member states not a mechanism by which NATO can absorb countries into itself like it's the blob. This was a part of NATO's core cause and it's been in place since 1949 but it's only it was never invoked until 9 11 which would tell you this is not a universal thing that happens all the time. Not a ton of people

are stoked about getting into wars. Not usually. The fact that Alex doesn't seem to grasp this conceptually like what article five is really makes it difficult to trust that he has any understanding of the conversation that Putin was having or the story that he's covering and that leads me to my second point. This is a serious story one that involves the safety and security of a ton of people in Ukraine and Russia in particular but it could have ramifications repel outside the region as well. According to Alex himself this is a story that has potential consequences in the neighborhood of worldwide thermonuclear war and he can't be bothered to know the basics of what he's talking about. This dynamic is something that's at the center of a

lot of Alex's content. Intense and terrifying sensationalization of a headline he skimmed and decided not to look into. It's embarrassing and it serves to give the audience not an absence of information but actually bad information that they think is good. Right. Right. They think their information that everyone's about to die is more accurate than the information maybe everyone's about to die. It's like it's like not it's it's not not having food. Right. It's having food that will make you sick. Right. It's having spoiled meat. Yeah. Yeah. It's just and when it's around this kind of subject that is conceivably very serious like I am not convinced that this is going to lead to nuclear war. But Alex seems to be. Yeah. That's the way he's presenting the story. Yeah.

And he can't even get himself to care past his normal routine of finding a headline lying about what he's done to prepare the story. Right. And then riffing about his own paranoid and terrifying fantasies. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean you know the more you think about it I think I think Alex would love thermonuclear war. That would be a great button on his career. Well he's still working on that bunker. Yeah exactly. I mean you know that would get him out of a lot of shit if all of a sudden nukes were dropping everywhere. He'd be like oh I'm I mean obviously my skin's going to melt off but I'm out of these lawsuits. It would probably put a delay on on those those hearings. Yeah a little bit. So Alex Alex takes this misreporting that he's doing of this this comment and he just

turns it into like just a fucking terrifying story. Now let me break down the timetable on this if this starts when the Russians get overwhelmed by the NATO forces arrayed against them and all that heavy weapons and high tech weapons. Putin is saying that they're going to use tactical nuclear weapons in theater against those forces. That'll happen within about 10 minutes. At that point the orders will go out and cruise missiles all over Europe hypersonic will be fired at Russian military bases. Once the Russians make the decision to use technicals they'll have all their submarines surfacing their cruise missiles ready their ICBMs ready and the minute

they detect with their radar and satellites western missile launches they will have a total commitment release of their weapons. Their submarines will come up off our coast. They will vaporize Manhattan, Los Angeles all of the Russian cities will be vaporized as well. Western Europe will be vaporized. He goes on to like really lay out this like I won't even have time to go find my daughter like it's it's really highly dramatic and really just aiming to scare. You know okay suitcase nukes all over you can you can conceivably say that it's easier to get a single person with a nuclear device in a suitcase around then having a fucking nuclear submarine off the coast of New York City. I you know what I honestly don't know.

Where is this? What world is there a nuclear submarine near New York City's coast that they allowed Russia to get what is it a 10,000 feet below the sea? What world are there people walking around with suitcase? I understand. I just feel like a submarine's a little bit more noticeable. Probably probably there could be like elaborate masking technology that sure that the aliens yeah well there you know what I had not considered the aliens yeah you're right so I agree it's it's a little far-fetched but I'm not sure it's more far-fetched than suitcase suicide bombers. It's true I don't know which I don't know which that'll be a tough contest. But like Alex Alex is just like really trying to drive home this fear and he's a sick sick fuck

let's say most of us will just get knocked down and maybe the roof cave in on you but when you come outside you'll be breathing all that delicious radiation you mean when you get up again won't be coming back on for years if you're lucky so that's where we are and we're an evil decadent satanic society and I guess it's time to die okay I mean really what yeah okay yeah whoa yeah you know what maybe it's time to die yeah didn't expect that turn no you know what I was thinking I was just thinking uh yeah I think everybody it's time to die right it's time hey maybe we should all get nuked you know what go find a spike just fucking do it man this guy believes in humanity what is he doing what is this maybe it's time for all of us to die you know what maybe it

weird mood yeah I don't I don't really know how to read this other than like I guess he's depressed I mean you know you'd you'd have to be a little depressed to be very blasé about you know the extinction of the human race there's some financial news that will be discussed later that might play into this okay so that that might have something to do with price of oil is going down uh no let's say a character from the past makes an appearance hat in hand oh no so right we'll get to that later spoiler alert I'm excited for that but as Alex is discussing this like maybe we all deserve to die uh from nukes he starts rambling around and man he drops

drops a bomb of his own that's uh a little bit unbelievable okay the cia through Georgetown University literally has sicked an army of over 10 000 Muslims that they brought in over the last few decades run through the school and given degrees and have intelligence badges enter after us brigades of Muslims I'm sorry what I mean they've got their secret armies they're ready okay and they are targeting and preparing they've got they've got a list of judges they've got a list of good police captains they've got they got all our numbers folks we're in a lot more trouble than you know okay a lot more trouble than you know so I guess it's a we're all gonna die episode yeah it's not a it seems like that yeah so this mood has is flipped that's pretty clear

this is really dumb but uh I we've done this narrative already yeah like it was a year and a half ago but instead of a brigade of Muslims it was antifa and ms 13 that had lists of all the patriots and we're gonna go door to door taking them out that didn't happen and now I guess enough time has passed that alex can be sure that his audience has forgotten that he said that shit right so he's trying it again both a brigade of 10 000 Muslims right we don't need to worry about the migrant caravan anymore coming into the border and becoming brigades or even when alex was saying that was a way to get Ebola exactly yes yeah yeah it's all there yeah you know that old adage like the best way to keep a secret between more than two people is to kill the other two or whatever

you know what I'm saying that whole thing I've heard that um I'm gonna go with having entire brigades being forced to keep their own participation secret right that might be that might be tough to do man foolish to give them badges it would be a bad idea to have them easily identifiable yeah as such brigades why would you need 10 000 of them to take out alex to uh boo I mean if you've got a secret army part of the reason that you have it or part of the best part of having a secret army is you can keep it small you know right because it's secret right yeah yeah you would want like specialized unit totally the dirty dirty doesn't yeah yeah people who show up solve a problem and then are gone like ghosts and you need a tech guy absolutely munitions person sure uh face man I was

about to say face man yeah you need uh 10 000 Muslims are out to get alex head I don't understand it's that's very weird I love it when a religion comes together so alex uh he gets onto another subject yeah it's about the capital police sure they're out they're out of control are they brigades look at this political article capital police examine background social media feeds of some who meet with lawmakers you read the article it says yeah they also get in plain clothes to spy on people but now the documents are coming out being released by congress and the investigation of the inspector general inspecting themselves of the capital police and when you read what's in this it's unbelievable they went into members of congresses offices at night like the plumbers

like nixon did having g gordon liddy and others break into the psychiatrist of the democrat candidate to find out about him for dirt not right not good nixon had to leave office this is the capital police breaking in people's offices posing as capital repair officers or capital repair technicians and photographing and stealing material this is a tough narrative for alex to be dipping into because in that clip there within one minute he's essentially gotten into trouble with two of his friends roger worked for nixon and swears that watergate didn't go down like that so he and alex might have to have some words based on alex's reporting then alex is describing what these folks in the capital police allegedly did going into offices dressed up like

maintenance people to spy and that's exactly what james o' keith got arrested for doing to louisiana senator mary landryu uh it's really wild how many friends alex has who do the precise evil shit he's so mad at his enemies for supposedly doing well the only way to know that your enemies are doing evil shit is to be the people who do that evil shit sure yeah it makes sense it makes sense to me so as for this political article it's a disturbing revelation that the capital police been doing some digging into the social media and other public information uh that's available for people who meet with members of congress and i'm not into it but alex is lying about with his article covers there's nothing in the article about spying in plain clothes that's just alex

adding to the recipe for uh had had more flavor yeah also it's alex referring to allegations made by representative troi neils who claimed that the capital police were caught snooping in his office the capital police released a statement saying that no one was snooping but someone did enter his office to secure it because he left his office door open when nobody was in it when that happens it's protocol for the capital police to secure the office and close the door for him right because it's not safe uh the capital police has come out with a statement uh this dude's a big dumb dumb uh close your fucking door close your door man and then uh maybe we won't have to show up yeah also alex can't possibly have read the inspector general's report that he's claiming

to have on the capital police looking at folks social media uh investigation because that just began this week and there's no info that's come out about it yet he may be confusing with this uh with the ig report about the capital police uh regarding january 6th but i'm also sure he didn't read that right so i don't i don't know it just uh this is ridiculous yeah i i think i'm only interested in that clip because it's funny that this guy just didn't close his door yeah and that's turned into a conspiracy theory of course and then the second thing is how much alex's friends are are implicated in the same actions yeah as the evil globalist well i mean but it is it is somewhat of that that like i know they must be doing it because we are it is kind of that vibe of

like well obviously i know what the evil people are doing my buddies are doing the same thing but that that would be fine if there wasn't also the denial of what his buddies are doing well my buddies aren't doing the evil shit that they i say the other guys are doing i'm not going to say that my buddies are doing this evil shoes man absolutely what are you lying haha now that i'm telling you that i think they didn't do it you won't get mad at me it's it's convoluted yeah um anyway yeah alex gets back into the caravan a little bit the uh the truckers up in ottawa everybody's having a great time um odd people aren't having a good time no no no people like the population of ottawa it's not having a great time yeah yeah it's like the brooks brothers riot with trucks it's awful

and longer and longer yeah yeah so uh my heart goes out to the folks having to put up with this shit uh but alex has a guy on to talk about how great uh the the caravan is and how how how awesome every they're getting freedom everybody loves it so joining us is jeremy mckinsey so former special forces officer been on the show many years ago on other topics and he is joining us here on air he's also a popular podcaster he's joining us to talk about the latest incredible developments and so i don't really uh want to get more in depth uh than we already have on the the the trucker caravan yeah and whatever you i don't know if my position has changed on it since the last time we talked but it's interesting that alex has got this guy on to talk about the news from the front lines

alex called in this guy named jeremy mckinsey and wouldn't you know it he's not a trucker he's actually a piece of shit i'm not totally sure that mckinsey has a podcast but he definitely has a live stream and i was able to find some interesting comments that he made on stream thanks to they're being collected by anti-racist canada right here's one of them that is not good i like nazis like that you watch that movie like schindler's list actually is based on a fictional book oh my god that didn't even happen right really yeah like oscar schindler was in person but the movie was based on a fictional book but they presented as though this is what happened yeah like zero dark 30 after they killed bin laden right and they make it very realistic and very

so what happens is you're you're learning about a something new for the first time and now you're seeing this visual fucking it's going straight in there and now this becomes memory like this is what happened it's like you're watching something that you're watching a production these are actors and costumes and this none of this is real but now you believe that that would that's history when that's not what took place like you know me that is it's fucking crazy like here's a great example there's a movie there's a guy um and he they'll call him a revisionist and all all of the worst things you can do the guy's a historian his name is david erving and he's from the uk oh boy all he did was like i just want to know it was deny the holocaust so he went over to

germany and he went around and he interviewed all kinds of people that knew these guys personally like hitler's secretary he like tracked her down and he did all this stuff and he wrote a whole boy it was called hitler's war or something like that and it was just you know stuff from people you'd never ever hear about otherwise and they're like how dare you he's like yeah but they knew him so schindler's list is based on the non-fiction novel schindler's arc uh the events of the story are true it's just that some of the dialogue's been dramatized it seems really weird the way this guy's calling it a story of fiction and also seems to have trouble understanding that people know that there are actors in movies and they don't experience movies as reality i mean it is

so much like uh you can hear it when they talk where you're like oh of course you think other people think movies are real you think movies are real seems that way i don't think movies are real sir yeah but i think maybe even a bigger issue is that that is not what david erving did no that's this guy is very wrong david erving is a full-on holocaust denier probably one of the most famous in the world he tried to sue a journalist who called him a holocaust denier for defamation and he lost he very publicly argued that there were no gas chambers at oschwitz which landed him in jail in austria he's been banned from entering multiple countries because of his anti-semitism in holocaust denial he is associated with the neo-nazi group the national alliance and in the years since like

1990 his entire public persona has been pro hitler anti-jews and denying of the holocaust right it seems like this mckenzie guy is either a neo-nazi historian dan he's either a neo-nazi or i guess if you want to be as generous as possible he's an idiot who seems to be drawn like a moth to the flame towards any false piece of information that makes nazis look good man i mean it's weird honestly he is not a neo-nazi he's just a regular nazi that's just out of time we it's like he time traveled from 1939 there's an issue of semantics i guess we could get it too but i'm flabbergasted so there's plenty more interviews of him piling around with white nationalist folks like the hosts of redice tv uh is doing interviews about how the protocols of the elders of zion are actually real

with the anti-semitic uh dude who was also on info wars she michael jones right all kinds of unsavory shit there's a ton of people that alex could have chosen to come speak out about the truckers in ottawa and give an update and magically somehow this is the guy he finds well you gotta find the most nazi one it's almost like they travel in similar ideological circles boy because they do if you if you know a lot of nazis and you and a lot of nazis know you and they like you and you like them i'm going to throw this out there maybe you are also a nazi hey there could be also there's a part in the interview where he's like they said there were nazi flags there was one guy with a not i don't understand how that's not also a problem it is so we're not going to

listen to too much about of this interview because i don't really care and i don't think he brings a lot to the table or any interesting information but there's this really funny thing that keeps happening and then alex keeps uh saying this guy's special forces and he has to keep correcting him because he doesn't want to engage in stolen valor right right because he wasn't in special force he did a very short period of time where he was in a special forces unit or something along those lines but alex will not stop getting it wrong and so he's had to correct him and i believe this is the second time and alex fucking loses it uh mic down for this yeah so that that was one of the aspects again i was only i was briefly briefly with a special forces unit i just you know they

guys get sensitive about that kind of thing so i can't stand you military guys listen i can't handle it you know one reason i don't want to get military people on stop stop stop you're hitting my pet pee right now you got fine you were never in the military okay screw the military i hate it okay yeah you know please god help me god help me god help me you i'm just telling people who you are because i was going to afghanistan and talk about seeing freedoms being taken and then you tell me don't say i'm this and then you say don't say that i don't care let's just say you're in canada all right please help me all right please help me i know okay go ahead don't stress you out brother no no no it's this thing you guys do because all the military people impact each other

about who was what who did what screw it all about that nuclear war how about that how about all the military people suck that go ahead man and then there is a lot of good who it mean dude's laughing but like yeah alex is not joking no no this is deadly serious this is deadly serious and you know what is it what is it with you guys and you don't like me lying about what it is you did in the military well i think it's probably because a lot of people that alex knows get accused of lying about their military history because they are right i think that that's probably why he's hypersensitive about this point and and i think that to his credit like i don't like him for any other reason but this mckenzie guy seems like like that's that's the right thing

to do some of the mischaracterizing your military service right uh you probably don't want to be seen playing along with that lest uh everybody else think that you're also inflating and lying about your service absolutely which is why alex hates military guys because the real ones actually do that he likes non-military guys who claim they're in the military because when you say they're in special forces they're like fuck yeah i was see steve patrick yeah exactly i was all over the special forces right come on man improvise with me don't correct me right come on don't downplay this i need to present you as the greatest possible source of information therefore you started the special forces i took down an entire brigade of muslims 10 000 they were in austin i was busy so yeah that's

that was just a little bit of fun from this interview that is great um after this alex has a familiar face uh come around it's time coming around here we go it's none other than the the former gold salesman ted anderson ted anderson i wanted me to spend some time on who he is what he's done he was a sponsor of mine in 1997 a year later he started the gc n radio network because he was already sending he was already financing a bunch of shows he already had a production thing producing his own shows were very popular on amfm and shortwave in satellite he said why don't i start a network when i got censored and kicked off my local radio station he'd already set up his network a few years before i was getting it ready and i was

already doing another show on it every day and then about nine years ago 10 years ago in the gold market was way down and ted couldn't pay me anymore i parted ways with ted but instead you can still carry my show and syndicate the stations i'll syndicate myself two thirds of my stations are with us and about a 90-something with him and we're still friends but he couldn't you know pay me anymore so i had to go out and you know try to syndicate my show more and try to get money in so ted didn't stop being able to pay alex because the gold market took a dip at least that's there's no indication of that it seems like it was because he got sued for defrauding customers and the state of minnesota took away his license to sell precious metals that'll be a problem

also we've been over this at length but their relationship wasn't like some good buddies just trying to help each other out alex was a shameless gold salesman for large stretches of his career and mysteriously he became less gung-ho about everyone desperately needed to buy gold in his more recent career that's after ted stopped selling gold it's weird how that worked it's crazy how quickly it went from gold will save your life and protect you from all diseases right zinc will save your life and protect you all from diseases it seems like the focus has shifted it's like it's you know i i also like whenever the relationship of of money changes with alex or it's like ted anderson when he's given money is the greatest person that's ever lived incredible

when he's not giving money this guy i remember him he couldn't pay me anymore that's how broke this guy was this guy couldn't pay me he couldn't pay me but i'm such a good guy exactly i kept things going so magnanimous yeah such a good dude yep yeah so guess what uh ted uh he got wrapped up in the sandy hook business oh and uh it's not working out well for him he gets sued four years ago by the sandy democrat lawyers and he has nothing to do what i said on air or did and i was already off his network he was only a satellite provider but they don't care about that and now we know now they want the network itself and people say well keep fighting well it takes money to fight them plus and ted will have the floor here but i just wanted to get this out now

ted has been running this network with 700 plus affiliates and over 100 shows on it but with talk radio and and the implosion in the media and they're coming for a couple of years it's been losing money but because it's a pet project he started and because he's got other companies he can advertise on it he keeps it propped up even though he's losing hundreds of thousands a year and that number is going up well he can't defend a lawsuit against these people and so they say that's fine just give us your whole network we want you to surrender thinking surrender off the air which it would be a crippling blow surrender surrender so it's fun it is true that ted is a co-defendant in the connecticut sandy hook case and that's simply because he was disseminating

and profiting off of alex's defamatory content and targeted harassment yeah i'm not positive that alex is shady business practices are going to salvage this case because i feel like you know if they have an existing syndication agreement and then ted can't afford to pay alex and alex says why don't you just keep on doing it and not pay me that seems like the agreement is still in place alex has just agreed to forego payment honestly that just means that ted's making even more money off alex's lies about sandy hook families since he doesn't need to cut alex in for a taste yeah he's essentially gotten rid of his overhead for lies yeah yeah probably sucks to be ted right now but i have zero faith that the lawyers told him that he needed to surrender surrender

it's um it's interesting i mean like i guess maybe you know his his radio network is a asset that could be deemed possible something he would need to sell give up yeah pay for whatever damage is yeah i mean if he goes into bankruptcy they're gonna take them assets yeah and i thought it was really strange because alex is like he's gonna fight this case but like he's part they even like i don't know this to be true because i don't have a whole lot of understanding of the inner workings of the connecticut case yeah um but they say that he got defaulted along with them ooh like they like alex says that he's already lost that case so he he just would be fighting the damages portion i guess i don't know that's not good there isn't a case to fight really what

in god's name are they doing i that's crazy yeah absolute lunacy so um alex like he wants to build ted up as a hero right why well because they they need money yeah his network's gone for making millions of millions of dollars a year profit to make losing money but he keeps it up there and keeps it running with the board ops the engineers and the insurance and all the people and then they come to him and and ted hadn't even told me this for a while but then he just said you know what screw this i'm not gonna shut down quite frankly ted was planning to slowly shut down gc yet but because they're trying to shut him down and because they're trying to silence those other host he was gonna give them time you know if he had to down the road i know to move other places

now ted's gonna try to make gc and bigger than ever and stronger than ever gonna fight all the way through the end and so he's here with us today ladies and gentlemen to talk about that and i appreciate him holding while i was saying this but i'm gonna put this out on air right now let's put the urls up please ted's already spent 300 plus thousand dollars battling these people now to go to trial and fight him it's gonna cost him a half million dollars he's already losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to fund this to keep it on air and he's risking them getting judgments on him even though he's totally innocent if this happens but he's an american because of the first amendment he believes in it he's gonna do it but he needs your help uh this is sad shouldn't

ted be the last person who's coming around begging on this show from alex's audience like he was literally the guy selling them gold for the last few decades and this is where he's gotten to like this makes me really distrustful of precious metals investment this seems like if this is the end result of being like deeply involved in gold and silver man i mean it's hard to hear alex say anything other than ted anderson is a really bad businessman who is also kind of a fraud and fucked up by allowing me to say whatever you want right on his syndicated airway so you should give him money these are free market capitalists this guy's losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year a year running a business so what you should do is give it to

he's too shitty to fail no he needs to bail out with no remuneration nothing just bail him out well and so he's a great businessman so they're gonna promote this uh this website save gcn.com which is actually just a redirect to a give send go campaign right uh but like the the thing that's that's wild about it is alex is like he's gonna put commercials on all of his shows on the gcn network for people to go to that website and support like yeah but like he he was already doing sort of that but he was like selling ad space right commercials on gcn like he would have commercials for buying ads on gcn yeah which is basically like that is give me money but then you get something out of it getting that yeah exactly you know this is this is just like him

donate donate to keep my business afloat right what i'm getting at is if there was potential for this business right you wouldn't need to do this because people would be buying that ad space exactly uh and i would be getting him the money that he needs yeah i mean i can understand these people being scammed by like religious people you know the the gospel the prosperity gospel people because they don't have an actual business no you you can always just be like oh i'm giving it to god not like i'm giving it to a failed businessman who lied like like that and as a history of fraud i am struggling to pay my rent but god damn this man's failing business needs me to give it money we gotta keep it on we gotta keep it going yeah it's important for

democracy so there's a there's sort of a elephant in the room and that is the alex could just give ted money dude no no no you don't get rich by giving money away and we'll put the url back up there save gcn.com save gcn.com one word and go make a donation because ted came to me and he said you know i i need 300 500 000 dollars depending on what happens to go through this trial and all this and he says you know i i'm already losing a lot of money uh do you want to you know try to help me or what do you think i should do and i said ted by all means do not turn the network over to these people so they can take all these people off the air and and and do this let's fight them and he said okay uh so he needs to raise that money so basically uh if you if you take

this version of the story uh ted came to alex and was like hey man i need 300 000 dollars and alex is like fuck that let's get the audience to pay for it yep that's what happened you got it yep and i wouldn't be too surprised if this wasn't a situation with the behind the scenes conversation was more like ted being like hey alex you fucking asshole you got me into this trouble like you you understand i'm on the hook for this because of you you know yeah i i syndicated your show i made your fucking career right i know so much about you right i you're going to find a way to pay my legal fee here because it's your fault you better yeah i wouldn't be too surprised if there was something along those lines said uh man you know i don't know i would imagine that he

doesn't get to talk to alex like that anymore if ever well i mean alex has that you know when they're when it's ted anderson and alex you can't really say oh i'll reveal information about you because the answer to that is i'll reveal information about you i mean what we're both scamming liars what do you want but ted's already been through it he already went to court that's true for his fraud that's fair um yeah i don't know i i'm not seriously suggesting that uh them necessarily has to have been some kind of a threat to reveal information i understand but i would be very surprised if there wasn't a conversation that at least surrounded this is your fault alex totally you're going to do something to help you've got to do something yeah and if it's all it is is giving

me an hour to beg your audience for money then i guess that's what i'll take so you should you should give uh ted money and alex would but he doesn't have any money and that means you should give him money what kind of insane person gives a millionaire money and listen i could donate money to ted's defense and i'll do it if i have to but i'm running out of money that's why we have save info wars dot com we'll put that url on screen save info wars dot com that also takes you to give sin go it's amazing it's a plug to support ted right and alex would do it but he can't because he doesn't have any money so you got to give him money right right so save gcn right save info wars roger stone's legal defense fund right um we've got pills uh we've got uh uh people can buy uh

uh reset wars exactly yes we've got a lot of revenue streams that involve no one getting anything for anything though well there was well i mean they tried that weird coin that's right i forgot about as a war bond apparently that didn't work out i'm surprised i'm shocked yeah so uh alex got some breaking news here we're not gonna listen to any of ted because who cares yeah who cares ted just says hey i got fucked yeah he's a sad sack loser now it's fine and always has been well yeah that's true but at least he doesn't have any money anymore so alex got some some breaking news but he's going to use well the quickening is here i just received information in the last 10 minutes that we knew was coming but man this is all coming down the wire after ted leaves us i'm

going to bring this up uh with joel scousen but it's official and i was reading the document biden dh s declare terrorism threat due to false and misleading narratives and conspiracy theories they go on in the document to say unsanctioned speech is terrorism they actually say that sanctioned means authorized by the government so this is a bulletin that the dhs put out the day before this episode and unsurprisingly it doesn't say that unsanctioned speech is now illegal that it would be surprising it would be yeah i think alex is i mean honestly not that surprising for the dhs but yes i think alex is just misreading the word unsubstantiated like unsubstantiated narratives uh it's yeah yeah i think that's what happened can't read uh yeah so

anyway this is just a bulletin expressing the awareness that there are terror threats that are growing out of the covet denial community the 2020 election fraud community and some other communities that are largely driven by rampant online misinformation yeah this is not a controversial statement and so as long as it remains a threat assessment and not a call for the dhs to police the internet for misinformation this story is a zero yeah and it's kind of sad to see this and be like wow if this was 2009 you could turn this into a mayac document totally totally you just don't have the chops anymore you're gonna forget about this in a week nope he just doesn't have it no and it's so yeah man the the last people i would want policing anything on the internet are dhs

yeah yeah uh but you know but unsubstantiated but them recognizing that these like misinformation spheres and communities are places where the potential terror threats are developing sure yeah i think that that's right within what they're meant to do true true absolutely but it's just like okay why are you putting out a press release saying water's wet like i get it man so alex gets back into the putin story uh because he's got joel scousin coming up he heard he heard this uh he read that daily mail article and he was like get me scousin give me the scowlin scousin we need that man he is my expert on these matters absolutely but also alex did way more work than just reading that daily mail article totally totally obviously we already played this several times the first hour

but if scousin wants we can reread this on air but my interpretation of it is what it says he said if nato declares article five and basically takes in ukraine then we're gonna invade and then if nato overwhelms us we're gonna use nuclear weapons and that's what he said very very chilling and we went and found the video i didn't just believe the daily mail when i saw it i went and actually found the video of putin indeed saying that there's such an agenda that alex has to create the appearance that he didn't do nothing and it's it's kind of understandable because i think he is self-conscious about how little he does yes yeah yeah of course and how much he wants to have the appearance of somebody who takes this shit seriously and and tries and i think i mean i get

it it's sad because he didn't he doesn't no do anything no i mean but if you're the emperor and you're not wearing any clothes it's really smart to tell people that you totally are you're totally i'm i'm wearing so many fucking clothes i this morning tried on a million different clothes and i'm wearing all of them right now i didn't just trust that daily mail article i went and i dug around and i found the video that was embedded in the daily mail article changed my name to elmore lennard gumshoes so uh scousum comes in and immediately just punctures this entire bubble that alex's the whole narrative goes away yes it's so awesome joel scousum thank you for joining us what in the world's really going on with this russia situation well alex there's a lot of posturing

going on especially by putin and in that particular statement he knows that the united states is not going to invade biden has already said it's off the table there are going to be no troops coming into ukraine when it's attacked they're going to let it fall they're going to ring their hands they're going to do sanctions but i doubt if he's even going to be able to you know stop the the pipeline the gas pipeline coming in from Russia because the germans are wedded to it and there's simply no way to you know handle their future gas needs but i i'm still don't believe that this is going to lead to nuclear war because the us will not go to war with Russia over ukraine so uh scousum comes in with a whether or not any like his assessments are correct or anything

definitely comes in with a voice of authority because alex has built him up as a one of the best geopolitical experts and he comes in and just just contradicts alex across the board alex spent like 10 minutes doing a bizarre fantasy about how quickly nukes will kill us all uh and then scousum comes in he's like no it's not good i was just posturing did you not listen to the early part of the show of course scousin scousin i have said that we all deserve to die and now you're telling me we're not going to it's it's deflating for alex for sure what am i going to do now how are we all going to die now it is what kovat i'm bored of kovat i think that scousin can tell that maybe alex is a little bit disappointed so he decides to throw a conspiracy out for him sure

yeah give him something this is big news give him something remember the soviet union faked their own collapse in 1990 the i'm sorry what now orders to you know let the wall come down to let the riots go forward they even gave orders for the communist dictators to step down chow cheskyo of romania was the only one who refused and he and his wife were killed well that's right it's it's it's come out that 100 they they staged that wow so the the fall of the collapse of the soviet union was a false flag yeah that's a big one so my first thought when i heard that is like don't tell steve pecanik that because he took down yeah i was going to say this is this is oh man this is a complicated mythology that has occurred that is out and out in violent

conflict with itself right so well i mean i guess it's possible that steve pecanik was then in on the false flag well i mean you'd have to fall felling of the soviet union you know he killed aldo moro so he probably faked that wasn't the false flag the false flag um yes i i think that this is this indicates a lack of seriousness uh uh well i i mean full marks for saying we're not going to go to total nuclear war yep and say he didn't even say that we deserve to die in a total nuclear war restraint uh i'm gonna have to give him an f on the russia false flagged its own collapse yeah so uh you can give him another little bit of a mark here and that is that scousin for whatever all the problems that he has does not trust putin and recognizes certain things

that he does that are clearly propaganda no so where do you make a putin's pro christian talk and paying people to have children and gg paying three child policy now and saying no sissy man on tv i mean that i mean why do you think they're breaking why oh that's a big question why why don't you want george soros coming out and really doubling down and now the fbi doubling down on china they denied china was a threat before why are they admitting it now well first of all let me answer the putin question this is meant to deceive this is a major propaganda effort to deceive conservatives in the united states into thinking that putin is our savior and i get emails all the time about putin is against the new world order well sure he's against the new world order

and he's been exposing at least partially the the the globalist in their support of ices and syria etc by bombing those convoys but the whole thing about putin building churches and the uh support of christianity is a total fraud this is this is bad you got it you can't have guests that don't listen to the show anymore yeah you've you've got too much going on yeah and you really run a danger when you have guests that have been on for years and years and have a necessity for you to take them seriously uh and to take them as actual experts because this isn't just like some some asshole saying that putin's lying about this religiosity this is conspiracy second generation royalty yeah absolutely yeah and uh hey alex is not happy i think he's so unhappy that he just

basically is like i'm i'm done with this really uh we're gonna pick up seats in the house and we'll retain control of the senate but it won't be the complete slaughter that it would be if there were no vote fraud and of course they are gonna make it very sophisticated and get prepared to make sure that we don't win the presidency again in 2024 what else should we be watching it's back to eat and lunch during interviews oh man gotta get this egg rolled down while you bullshit people yeah god damn it i can't be mad at you i'm trapped i can eat my feelings yes yeah so we've got the scows and coming in just destroying the uh fear of nuclear war narrative putin's not a good dude calling out that pr propaganda campaign that alex has fallen for

instantly pushed on his show oh and now scows and just to make the hat trick oh has to he and he makes a point of bringing this up oh no he goes out of his way um because he he doesn't like that these uh these conservative outlets and conspiracy sites have been promoting that weirdo grand jury in germany don't do it no no no no no you can't do that man so he's not thrilled with that oh boy let me throw this out because i i mean i i covered this saturday and sunday this weekend aired large excerpts thought the info we put out was spot on like you said i gathered that they were doing a people's grand jury just like you have the 198 ways the pentagon talks about of civil disobedience nonviolent revolution as a way to put this on to then show grand juries

and other bodies the blueprint for victory i think i saw some statements out of them are you saying that that you saw areas where it wasn't being clear or what's happening well the the entire internet is alive with the false misimpression that he's actually filed suitants and is sitting before a real grand jury and i want to make sure people understand that isn't true oh i got it absolutely people been calling me saying hey do you see the grand jury and i said no they don't even have those in europe he's doing it i guess that's the fine print to as the model for other grand juries to then take action yeah but you can't do that in other words what i'm saying is it's not a model they'll never will be a grand jury in the first place you should be filing a civil suit

where you don't need a grand jury grand juries are very heavily controlled by prosecutors they're just common citizens and they are like yes men to the prosecutors and it's very difficult to get a grand jury to really discuss the conspiratorial evidence and you've got to have conspiratorial proof which none of that opening statement we all know it's true but there's no way to prove it you don't have essay nsa transcripts of of collusion between fauci and the vaccine manufacturers and the lie you can't prove they're lying etc so that's fascinating first of all there is a logistical reality that scousen recognizes that alex doesn't which i think is really funny but scousen accidentally tipped the hand a little bit too much at the end there which is you can't really do this in a grand

jury because you don't have proof yep you can't introduce conspiratorial proof shouldn't have done that what's going on what happened to scousen did he get hit in the head maybe did somebody hit him in the head with a pan like a cartoon and he just woke up one day and he was like maybe i should tell people that they don't have proof but i but that's that's what's fascinating about his tone he's recognizing there is no proof proof yeah but he also seems to be of the mind that quote unquote conspiratorial proof is good enough well i mean it is proof insinuation belief right that's not proof yeah i mean his literal point is you can't take this to a place where a grand jury is they require you have to go to a different court you have to go to a civil

court so a grand jury has nothing to do with it i think you do even have trouble in a civil court but i think you have a lot of trouble in the court yeah there's a there's a that's too much of an awareness that there's no proof for the things that they believe yeah it's causing i so that's weird coming from him i have not heard him really just start saying throwing around we don't have proof well we know that fauci did all this stuff right but we can't prove it well see that's a problem because you say you can prove it oh we know it we feel it right it feels right i agree but you said you can prove it right i can okay then prove wait what why not prove it no you can't prove well then don't say you can prove it i can prove it oh okay well then prove it

uh so uh this third base this interview with uh scousen was a little disappointing for alex and i i feel like he got a little deflated and yeah i can understand that so as the third hour is ending though he's got the someone put up the alex bat signal all right folks um Wayne Allen Ridge got some big news and he was going to be hosted the fourth hour but he wants to be on me to be on with him for some reason i'm sure it's an important reason someone to be on the first segment a long segment uh with him coming up so uh Wayne Allen root has been like we need you alex we got it we hear i'm hosting the fourth hour but something bombshell too big too big to not have aj right there yeah so the big news is that he's interviewed trump and so he's got some

some trump big news big news hot god some hot trump goss all right and one one of the things is about how uh Wayne Allen root uh believes uh that trump should be the speaker of the house and i'm sorry what hold on okay not only does Wayne Allen root believe this he's pissed off that other people ascribe the idea to someone else some of the people say that steve bannon came up with that idea it's my idea damn it i want to take credit for the worst ideas well that's debatable if there was a worse idea it's not a good one though no i mentioned him being speaker of the house which i was the first guy in the country to ever bring that idea up that he'd be speaker of the house and a lot of people give me credit all the media every time they talk about it they say

wane root asked him about it but they say steve bannon is the one who first brought it up not true steve bannon brought it up in february of 2021 i wrote about it in my nationally syndicated column in january of 2021 and i said trump should become speaker of the house and lead and open and lead the investigations criminal investigations against biden for everything he's about to do that we know will destroy this country and and so i asked trump whether he would be willing to be speaker of the house i put my my foot on his neck again and said will you be willing to be speaker of the house and he didn't say no which is very interesting he didn't say no he said is it i hope we don't need that we shouldn't need that but he wouldn't that's a really good move because he

could easily win a house seat anywhere he wants to do it and then and then they would vote him in as a speaker that would be amazing i it would it would i don't i don't think that would happen but also uh wane allen root is fucked up because that's crazy here's two things that are fucked up if you want yeah he wants trump to come in and investigate the guy who beat him in an election right which is healthy above board no conflicts of interest very healthy for a political system democracy and the second thing is that he wants him to investigate biden for future crimes yes crimes that he we know he will commit right that's really messed up now i'll tell you this here's a problem if i take the results of that in the investigation to a grand jury they are not going

to believe it's boo probably not no it's it's not really future crime proof thong yeah so uh alex thinks like okay trump can get this house seat and then he'll become the speaker of the house wane believes that there's a quicker route um oh my god tell me about it and this is where alex i think even is just like why am i surrounded by fucking idiots you don't need to win a house seat anybody could be speaker of the house they after we win after the republicans control the house tell me you can name you can vote in first of all you can nominate but i knew that too i i read your article back when it came out but i mean at the same time he could just run for the senator run for the house i know the senate's different than the house for speaker but that would be imagined senator trump

that's a great leapfrog back into the white house but but it's clear to me he doesn't want to do that so i'd like i'd rather make it easy for him now all you have to do instead of running is be nominated for speaker of the house and if the new house elects you that's it but have they ever had a speaker of the house it didn't come out of the house i don't believe so but that doesn't mean hey did you ever think they'd elect Donald trump president anything can happen in this world if you have enough momentum anything can happen i think alex is even like this yeah man come on never had a speaker who wasn't from the house but it is technically true that you can be elected even if you're not in the house but it's that's never gonna happen no this is a fun

wacky can do spirit that way and i'm bodying though there's there's something yeah he's got he's got ideas bad ideas so this isn't gonna happen it's not plausible in any way and one of the main reasons for this is that there are tons of jobs that the speaker takes on from an administrative and party leadership position that i don't think the g.o.p would be interested in having trump be in charge of no leaving alone the fact that like trump doesn't want that much work also these motherfuckers like alex and wane can they can agitate all they want about how their leadership in congress is weak and ineffective but in the real world the greatest gift they could give the democrats is somehow throwing out mitch mcconnell and kevin mcarthy and replacing them

with some inept diplomatic lightweight who wouldn't be able to rally the caucus the the amazement that i have for conservatives who are like mitch mcconnell's gotta go are like have you guys not been around mitch mcconnell has successfully kicked the entire ass of the united states for 30 years mitch mcconnell's an asshole but he's very effective he's really good at destroying the world leadership yeah that's something that uh should be higher of higher value i don't understand extreme right he should get a fucking spot for life in the g.o.p he stole a supreme court seat and then successfully got two more he has destroyed the entirety of the supreme court for the rest of the united states's history it's not a real court anymore

that that's him yeah that that would not be achieved with a lesser party leader yeah absolutely someone who didn't have the ability to negotiate with various parts of the caucus uh and get everybody on the same page it just would not have worked and i don't think that people like alex necessarily care about that or recognize the importance of that right and just think like i'll get fucking uh matt gates in there and we'll we'll run rush out no you will not you will have your party fracture yeah because he can't get people to come on board the banana's idea that trump is this big super strong man who we need to have lead the country but uh well because he doesn't say that he want to do it i'm going to make it easy for him i need my big strong man

to not have to work hard at all right and i hate mitch mcconnell who has successfully steered this entire country into hell for 30 years yeah exactly i hate that guy yeah give me the lazy asshole also just from a like odds perspective like we already talked about this when marjorie taylor green was on and they're talking about her becoming the speaker of the house there's no way you'd rally the kind of votes that you'd need and she's in the house yeah the idea of rallying the kind of votes necessary to like get trump out of office uh to be yeah of the house former president it's just impossible there's no way i mean i i i like the the acknowledgement that trump shouldn't and couldn't have become president unless we live in a topsy turvy world and anything

can happen but i'm going to go out on a limb here and i'm going to say this is one of the few things that absolutely cannot happen i i again crazy world yes but i still think this is not going to happen this one's a little bit far-fetched um and i recognize also to talk about the speaker of the house and mcconnell's in the senate and all that but the point still stands right in terms of the rallying of caucuses yeah and kevin mccarthy is quite competent as well but uh the the impact of trying to unseat these people who are very effective uh party leaders is is stupid it is it's amazing it is amazing like genuinely if the democrats had somebody like mitch mcconnell it would have been uh ridiculous and instead we nancy polosi has a hundred million dollars so that's

nice that is yeah so we come to the end of this and i i feel like this episode had a fun arc to it in as much as alex is obsessed with the uh the nuclear war and then scousin ruins it at the end scousin kicks him a couple more just just a a a little kid holding birthday balloons as scousin goes up with a pin and just pop pop pop no no pop and then he looks at him you see this kid yeah and alex has a goddamn nazi on to talk about the the truckers and uh ted anderson needs money i mean the wild this is a stupid show what show if what how is this a show i i thought parts of it were pretty funny it's very funny anyway uh jordan we'll be back we will uh but until then i hear tale that we have a website we do it's knowledge fight dot com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter

it's ad knowledge underscore fight now go to bed jordan yep we'll be back but until then i'm leo i'm leo i'm dzx cork i'm darryl rundis and now here comes the sex robots andy and chansas you're on the year thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you