Knowledge Fight - #650: July 17, 2003

Episode Date: February 18, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan take a little breaky from the present to go back and experience some Alex Jones of the past.  In this installment, Alex interviews the parent of a high school whiz kid, and a guy who claims to be a former assassin for Interpol. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, knowledge fight, Dan and George, knowledge fight, I need money, Andy and Kansas, stop it, Andy and Kansas, just time to pray, Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding me. Hello Alex, I'm a Christian Collin, I'm a huge fan, I love your work, knowledge fight, I love you, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're a couple dudes, sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan, Jordan, quick question, what's up, what's your bright spot? My bright spot today, Jordan is I was hanging out with my friend, Angela Lampsberry, and she gave me a late Christmas

present, and there could be no other bright spot than these, because she made magic cards that take a look at these and see what you see. Oh wow. Some specially designed magic cards. Oh, get the fuck out of it. We'll put up pictures of these on Twitter, but one of them is you. Yes, I'm broadcasting Banshee, which I will take as a compliment. Yes, you do damage with a loud yelling to damage to target ear equal to the number of plus one, plus one counters on this card. Well, that's fair enough. There's one that is, that is me. Yes. That and, and Dutch the discerner, your name is way better than mine. We're, we're, we're legendary creatures. And there's also one of Selene, the feline, the feline Contessa, of course. I did tell her that

these are all massively overpowered cards. Well, well, you're 2021. So we both are because blackjack. Yes, that's true. That is true. But yeah, it's just so, so fun. And that's fantastic. It's nice that there's a collection coming together of like unique magic cards. Really fantastic. It really is cool. Anywhere else. No, you would never, ever have imagined anything like this. And it's incredible to imagine. So thank you, Angela Lambsbury. We appreciate it. And it's just what, what a delight. Yes. Very much so. What about you? Well, that now supersedes my bright spot for being my bright spot. So mine is immediately no longer a bright spot. But what I had before was I am excited. Previously thought previously on bright spots for a horizon for

Bid and West. I've downloaded it. As we're recording this tomorrow. As we're recording this tomorrow. I'm excited. I've been looking forward to playing it. Zero Dawn was one of my favorites. Yeah, it's great. Amazing. I've been looking forward to this for a while as well. Too bad we can't find PS5. They're so furious. It's so infuriating. We've been looking for a year. Yeah, it's bizarre. It is. Commodity goods are not supposed to work that way. Yeah. It's not like it's a niche system or something. Yeah. It's a Sony. It's, it is funny. It's, it's nice. You know, before I would look at like a PS2 or a PS3 and I would say, boy, I want one of those because I cannot afford it. Yeah. And now I'm like, ooh, I'm in a better place in my life. I can get me

one of the, can't have it. God damn it. Nope. Reality and the world will not allow it. Worst. So Jordan, today we got an episode to do. And we're doing this just to kill some time before you can play horizon. Sure. Yes. This is all just waiting game for me. And so today, I kind of thought about it and I was like, you know what? We've been talking about the present too damn much. There's been a lot. It's been constant. Is Roger Stone okay? You need some money. Okay. It's been a lot of 2022 episodes in a, in a, in a string and I need a break. And so I decided to poke around, see what I could find. Project Camelot disappointing. Jim Baker, no good. Fair. So I went back to the past 2003. Okay. And unfortunately, there's a string of episodes

that are so boring. Nothing is happening. And it's just a disaster. And so we end up having to skip to July 17th. The last one we did was the 11th. Yes. So we jumped to the 17th 2003 before we can find anything that is worth going over, but it is so worth going over. Okay. And I feel excited. I feel delighted to have this episode. There's fun. There's meaty stories. There's Alex being an idiot. And some of it accidentally relates to the present day in ways that I didn't expect. Right. Cause you're a witch. Right. Which by the way is part of my, my, it is one of your powers. That's true. I am a legendary creature, human witch according to this magic card. You got it. So we'll get down to business on this nonsense. But before we do, let's take a little moment

to say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first staff in the UK. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thanks, Steph. Thank you. Next. Quackers. Quackers. Oh, cool. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. 2022 busted. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Averick R and that's spelled A V I K. Good, good spelling of Averick. I don't know how else you would spell Averick. Anyway, you're a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Next. Guantanamo Bay, but it's B A E. B A E. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. And also,

I could have gone, I could have seen it being B E Y, which would have been a very different type of Guantanamo. That's true. That's true. And finally, Alex Snowden dot dot dot no relation. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. What's fun about that is it could be no relation to Edward Snowden or it could be no relation to Alex Jones, because people are sometimes related by first name. That is, I've heard him say that. Yes. Yes, I have, I have indefinitely heard him say that. Yes. So we are going to be, we're going to be dealing with this, this 2003 episode. And I actually think right off the jump, we kind of have something that relates to the present day. And that is an insistence that there's false flags

coming. Right. Former Defense Secretary says that nukes will go off in US cities. It's going to happen. Of course, you see a far and hey, they'll love it. A nuke goes off in a city. They'll have even more of an excuse to tell you the government, your boss is going to take all your rights for your safety. And of course, it won't be North Korea detonating that nuke, folks. It'll be the shadow government and out of that, all of their training, all of their takeover systems will be activated and things are going to go downhill very, very quickly. Or we could speak out and get involved and blow the whistle inside and outside of government and stand up against the military industrial complex and save America. But the yuppies and the bureaucrats and all of you are

in for a rude awakening. You can't go on being part of an evil system forever and not have it turn on you. And you're all about to find out. And you've all been finding out individually over time, but you're going to find out in a mass scale what your masters think of you will do to you. So we're entering the night circle of hell. Ladies and gentlemen, all the evidence is there 20 years ago. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So we the prediction here is essentially that there's going to be a false flag North Korean nuke in a US city and it's going to lead to World War three, which of course, all happened. Yeah. But it probably didn't just because Alex talked about it and stopped the evil globalist plans. Well, I mean, it was good because what I've seen is that the yuppies have

not yet all woken up. So it doesn't seem like it. It was nice of Alex to stop that and protect the yuppies from the, you know, the darkness of the real in the break of the blinding reality. All of society is bent towards coddling the yuppies. So why would we allow them to be hurt now? You make a good point. Yeah. So I would, like I said, there's a real stretch of boring shit in 2003 in July that have been going through just because it's fun to wade through the past. But I heard Alex talking about the World War three at nuking of cities and it's like that's boring to I could leave that aside. But when I heard this, I was like, Oh, I'm in. All right, ladies and gentlemen, coming up in about 12 minutes, we're going to be joined

by Angela Lipsman's father headline. Port chaos college whiz kid 15 year old Manhattan girl, whose parents sent her to college sort of high school has been told by a judge that she can't get her associates degree, even though she's got enough credits as city officials launched an educational neglect probe against her dad. This is a story that is strange that it's existing on Alex Jones's show. Right. And it's like, Oh, there's got to be something here. You know, that whatever details that we are given currently cannot be the entirety of this story. Absolutely. There's got to be more. And then also, like I wouldn't I'd be lying if I didn't say that this also kind of spoke to me as somebody who like, you know, I dropped out of high school.

Sure. You know, there's there's there's educational youth stuff right in my history. Right. And so, you know, there's there's there's there's a bit of like, Oh, let's see. Let's see. I would have had a better chance of graduating college if I had skipped high school. I wouldn't be wouldn't be surprised about that. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously, if she's this person is taking college classes in high school, it does require getting a GED or dropping out in some way and just walk in. Right. And as a GED recipient, I should say, it's it's less that I dropped out of high school and more that I got GED, right, that makes this this something that the deep in me speaks to the deep in the story. Of course. It's a so I'm excited to to hear about this. Let's go. But first,

Alex has to dwell on how this is a person who's too smart and the system's taking him down. Boy, the more details we're going to get is going to be bad. Yeah. So that's the new America, folks. You excel. You are punished. You're a mindless idiot. You're rewarded. Harrison Bergeron child kidnapping services is targeting homeschoolers nationwide. Nationwide viciously attacking them. There's moves to bar them from spelling bees and from geography be because they keep winning everything. Sure. I haven't seen a report where it wasn't a homeschooler or someone from private school. So they're attacking that viciously. I don't know what kind of local spelling bees Alex might be including in his statistics here. So I can't

really prove that that's bullshit. But what it can do is discuss the big national one. The largest spelling bee in the one that you've seen televised is the Scripps National Spelling Bee. That's the one that's the venue in the movie Akilah in the bee and of course the documentary Spellbound. That spelling bee started in 1927 and the first homeschooled winner was Rebecca Seelfen in 1997. After her George Thampy. Oh my God, I remember her. I'll tell you why because the Scripps National I'm sorry this is too intense of response response for the Scripps National spelling bee. No, but down the gun. I mean, no, I'm coming for you. No, the other thing that the spelling bee is great for is it was all of the best episodes of Cheap Seats starring the

Sklar Brothers and she had just a fantastic episode. Okay. She was great on the show. She was great. It was amazing. Well, she was the first homeschooled winner. Well, 70 years after the homeschooler the bee started almost after her George Thampy and Sean Connolly both won as homeschoolers in 2000 and 2001. Then six years later in 2007, Evan Odoreny won, bringing the total to four homeschooled winners in 82 years. If Alex wants to talk about who are really dominating the spelling bee game, he should talk about students from India. They are far and away the most consistent winners absolutely crushing modern time in recent years of the Scripps bee. The idea that homeschooled children are beating kids who go to public school and all these scholastic competitions

isn't true. It's just a centerpiece of homeschool propaganda. And to be clear, I don't think that there's something inherently wrong with making the decision to homeschool your child. But I do think it's unhealthy if it's motivated from the sort of place that Alex is coming from where it's like the schools are evil and indoctrinating your kids into globalism and multiculturalism. Yeah, usually that's bad. That I don't think is a healthy impulse or instinct. But I understand some people have more rational reasons for homeschooling. Right. Like if you were say a PhD in pedagogy, you would be like, maybe I'm better than this elementary school teacher. I honestly think that that might be unhealthy too, because it's super unhealthy to dovetail with your narcissism.

No, no, no. I think if you are like a PhD in therapy, you should also be your own child's therapist. That seems that makes sense. Makes most sense to me. I'm not here to delineate what is and he's not a healthy reason to homeschool. I just know that some are not true. So he's got this incredible news. He's got to interview this this whiz kid. But first, I mean, there's just important other things that must be discussed. The news is incredible. But I do have a death threat email. I get these about every week. And basically, it says that I'm with Al Qaeda because I believe in freedom. And that the guy says he's in Texas and that if I ever come to Texas, I'm in deep trouble. Well, I'm right here in Texas, sir. Come on. Yeah, come at me. Come get me. You know

where I live. You can even hear the lack of enthusiasm that Alex has about someone threatening to kill him in 2003. Whatever. Not the first. It's strange that he feels the need to bring this up like really at the top of the show. But also the lack of conviction and passion is is glaring. Yeah, I think I want I'm with Al Qaeda on a shirt and a hand pointing to the person next to me. Oh, that's what I really want to go through. Don't don't put that in the absolutely. And I'm going through airport security tomorrow. Wear that shirt just to see what kind of stuff I can shake out. Yeah, it's a good idea. I encourage this. I think it's great. So Alex lists off a bunch of nonsense evidence that the globalists have been trying to dumb down the

population for the last forever. Yeah, I was about to. And then the proof of it is this Angela Lipsman, a whiz kid. I've read the official US government Senate documents where they say an educated population is hard to govern. We need to destroy the thinking process of the American people that's over 100 years old. UNESCO plans from the 50s, saying that the family's the enemy must be destroyed. Bush, of course, is signing on to that. We've had the former head of policy Department of Education number two position in the first Reagan administration, Charlotte Israby on. She has the official documents where the internal documents, classified documents, where they talk about how they want to train the kids to be mindless idiots.

And you don't see any greater evidence of how they don't want any free minds out there than the New York Post. They reported on Angela Lipsman, who got into college at 11, had a big accredited college, which one and has a 3.8 grade average. And they were very proud of her. And now the judge got involved and said, you can't have your degree. You didn't go to our accredited public school. You didn't go to your government training camp for proper dumbing down. And CPS, Child Grabbing Services, has been called in. So Alex is lying about the situation with Angela and her diploma, but also all that other stuff that was nonsense. Right. He was getting into with these documents in UNESCO. Sure. Sure. But we've talked about a lot of that in the past.

Water off a duck's back on those. So with Angela, the basic gist is this. Angela had been taking college courses through the Bureau of Manhattan Community College for the past three years at this point, since she was 11. And she's now 14. And she'd earned enough credits to get an associate's degree. Apparently, there had been some interest from Vassar to have her come continue her education there. But she can't because the community college can't give her her associate's degree. Right. This is because you can't get a higher level degree without some form of primary degree. You can graduate high school and get a diploma or you can get an equivalence like a GED and that works. But most states have rules in place that you can't get a GED until the age

you would be when you would graduate high school. And in Angela's case in New York, you have to be 17. This rule is in place for a number of reasons, but it's primarily because socially of 14 or 15 year old isn't ready to be in a college setting generally. And even if you're intellectually able to handle the classroom material, it can be dicey. Right. We've seen the results of that too many times. The burnout is brutal. The bare minimum for the this is generally 16 years old for GED issuing in states. And that's the minimum age in most states that you can drop out of high school period. You can be allowed to do that. It's generally seen as a preferred path for a student to skip a grade if they're overachieving because the alternatives don't really seem to be

super healthy for a child broadly speaking. Plus, when children overachieve this aggressively, it's often a sign that they might be experiencing some unhealthy influence from parents like the equivalent of an academic stage parent. And that's something that you don't necessarily want to facilitate as a society. Yeah. Yeah. You want to have kind of some some guardrails in place. At the very least, you don't want to encourage it. Sure. Yeah. Sure. And there are tons of stories that you can find of people like Angela who have studied college level courses and gotten credits prior to graduating from high school. But typically you won't be you won't be awarded your degree even if you earn all the credits for it until you have an equivalence of high school. Yeah. It's

just pretty consistently across the board. Yeah. How it has to go. Yeah, I tried to pull it off. They wouldn't let me. I mean, like I got in trouble for almost every high school also has advanced placement classes like AP classes that you can translate to college credit. Yeah, what if you can take the test afterwards. What had happened was I had finished all of those. And so I had a huge chunk of my schedule that was empty. So I had convinced them to let me go to the community college and take courses there. But I hated those. So I found out that you could test out of those classes and get credit for them. So like instead of going to class like a game. Yeah, I just kept taking all these tests and getting grades, getting good grades of these

classes. But I never went. So eventually they found out that I was spending half of my day outside of school doing fuck all and they got real mad at me. So I wasn't allowed to keep doing that. Yeah. It's again, that's not what society is. Right. It's not beneficial to to facilitate that, let's say, or however we'd want to phrase it. No, I was immediately going to push back on you. It's like they shouldn't be doing that. And I remember my story and I was like, no, no, I get it. Yeah. That's how it works. There's also more to Angela's story. And this whole thing that Alex is lighting on and we'll get into that as as we go along. So when we start off, we get this interview going. Alex is interviewing her dad, Daniel Lipsman. And she chimes in a

couple of times. But it seems like it's mostly this dude. We are joined by Daniel Lipsman and his daughter Angela Lipsman. And we really appreciate you coming on the show today. Pleasure to be here. So right off the bat, no real red flags. And then he starts talking. And I got I got some problems. And everything to do with an arbitrary capricious age requirement for a high school diploma that was totally irrelevant to the academic achievements of the diploma. It is I or I am the state Malone's decision reeks of that attitude. It appears to me the guy went for law school became a judge who are blissfully ignorant of the Bill of Rights. Judges eternal blind eyes. Now we got the law at the grace of the justice, the Constitution,

the judiciary. That's another one. Cynical decision only reinforces Lipsman's first rule of law. Law is whatever the church says it is. So he's clearly reading off a script like a diatribe. And it was really interesting to me the way Alex tried to interject and he just steamrolled. And then he just quit. Yeah, that was interesting. I don't know if I've ever heard Alex like just take a take an L like that. Yeah. And then they just and then he started the break music started playing very shortly after that. Yeah. So I kind of felt weird about that. I've never I've never really seen that kind of behavior from someone who's a guest or calling in. Yeah. So when I when I look at the totality of evidence I have in front of me and all the

information I've been able to find, I don't care much for this Daniel Lipsman character. It's one thing to support your very intelligent child's pursuit of appropriate education, but it's another thing entirely to do what he seems to be involved in. For one thing, the whole studying at college at age 11 thing, it appears to have been Daniel's idea in a 2011 profile on Angela in the borough of Manhattan Community College's website. Angela describes how she got started. Quote, my dad had met Makia McDonald, who was then assistant to the vice president for student affairs and broach the idea of enrolling me in summer courses. This was just after she'd graduated fifth grade. And I don't know how that story doesn't include,

I told my dad, I really wanted to go to college over the summer. So he contacted Ms. McDonald. The seat, the way it's phrased make it makes it really seem like this was something that he was motivated to. Yeah, my dad said I was going to community college. I don't see as much agency from her in the way that she tells the story in that profile. Yeah, it does sound like my dad went behind my back, talked to this muckety muck, broached the idea. And then the next thing I knew, he said, I've enrolled you in summer courses at the community college. And I don't think that you necessarily get the sense that she's super opposed to it or anything, but it does seem like he's the, the, the caboose.

It sounds like if you were give, if you were asking me that question about swimming lessons, I'd be like, well, my parents saw an ad in the paper. And then the next thing I knew I was at swimming lessons. It'd be very similar. So when you read this profile, you get a sense that she's an amazingly capable and driven person, but also the level of stress and responsibility that was being put on her at that age, I think is wildly inappropriate from the profile quote, I went to school every day like everyone else, she says, but two evenings a week, I took the subway downtown to chambers street to attend classes at BMCC. When she got home, she'd first tackle her sixth grade homework. That was the most challenging part she admits, but somehow I was able to get

enough sleep and wake up or fresh the next day ready to do it all over again. That sounds not great. Oh man. So this would make me a bit weary, but the reality is that this isn't even the first time that Daniel Lipsman is used as child to try to bring legal action against the schools. In 1999, Lipsman sued the New York City Board of Education because he felt that their uniform policy quote, violates their rights to free speech, equal protection, privacy and liberty under the first ninth and 14th amendments. The judge found his case to have no merit. So Lipsman asked acting as the lawyer for himself in the case. Oh, did you need to say that? Did anybody need to hear that he was acting as his own lawyer? Well, technically not his own lawyer.

He waived all the claims and the judge gave the school board summary judgment and informed Lipsman that if he didn't get an actual lawyer for the case, it would be dismissed. He felt like he should be able to represent his daughter pro say, but it's established law that you can't appear pro say for someone else. You can only do that if you're representing yourself. Right. So he was in the wrong here, couldn't do it. Yeah, that would violate that everybody's entitled to an attorney kind of thing right there. And the, you know, if you're not a lawyer and you're insisting on representing your child, then you're depriving them. Exactly. They are entitled to a lawyer and you are not one. Yeah. Yeah. So Lipsman didn't get a lawyer and

then decided to appeal the case arguing that quote, the district court's dismissal of Angela's claims on the ground that she lacked an attorney deprived her of her right to a day in court. Wow. Really taken some swings. This guy is a big swinger. This appeal would be rejected and the prior dismissal affirmed that this is right around the time that Angela was graduating fifth grade and starting college courses taken together. I can't help but get a little bit of a picture of someone not acting from a place of trying to do what's best for his child, but actually more of someone who's acting out and using their child as a prop. Otherwise, it's hard to understand how he wouldn't get a lawyer to try the case about uniforms. If that was actually what this was

about, like these underlying claims, as opposed to like getting a chance to grandstand in front of a court, there is a little seeming of, uh, you know, Oh, well, you won't let me do this because of the dress code. Fine. Then I'll put my kid into community college. That'll show you. I can't, I, you know, I can't demonstrate that in any way, but you know, doesn't sound like seems there. Yeah. And that guy's an asshole, but Daniel's issues go back even further than that. Of course. I was able to find a New York Times article from 1993 about how New York schools were delaying in opening that school year because there was a fear about asbestos. So they were doing a thorough investigation before letting kids in. Angela was about to begin kindergarten. And according

to this article, Daniel had taken the school board to court to try to force them to open the schools on September 9th, ultimately losing that case. You could look at this as him having previously been really into schools. And then a few years later going 180 degrees, but I actually think that this behavior tracks perfectly with his later actions. He seems to like to sue people, particularly the school board. And I would guess he has a fairly libertarian leaning set of politics. So I guess he would probably be super opposed to spending money to inspect schools for asbestos. Absolutely. That's just red tape, wasted money and bureaucracy. I mean, what? The free market should choose whether or not asbestos kills my child. There's a weird string here going back to

1993 of him repeatedly suing the school board for things that seem a little weird. Yeah, I imagine this is a guy who has a card ready and waiting at a security checkpoint, just like you don't have the right to search my car, sir. Thank you very much. Right. This fight that he's having over the diploma issue is not the first time that he's tried to tangle with the school board, uh, on his, presumably on his daughter's behalf. Right. Right. Right. Theoretically. Yes. And that, to me, is a troubling pattern of behavior. Yeah. I mean, you know, I imagine every single person involved when he walks in the door went, Oh God, this guy. So that's not a good place to be. I don't want to be that guy. Also, I found two pieces of information about Daniel Lipsman that I found

shocking. One of them I can prove and the other one is a little bit unclear. The unclear is dead the whole time. No. Oh, okay. The one that's unclear is that I think he wrote a book in 1972 titled the Jewish connection. There's a listing for that book being written by Daniel Jean Lipsman in the library of Congress's catalog of copyright entries, but I can't find the actual book and I can't 100% confirm that this is the same person person. That is definitely his middle name though. So it seems like the odds are pretty good. And in my experience, if you title a book, the Jewish connection, the, my eyebrows go up. Yeah. And, uh, if you are a person multiple suing the school board multiple times for tick attack stuff, uh, you're the type of person who

wrote the Jewish connection. I think that that's, uh, you know, obviously we don't have any access to the book. You could be making undue assumptions about it. I have no idea possible, but it's strange. Take a present. Look backwards. The thing that I can prove is that in 2020 Lipsman received exactly one vote in the race for the 13th district house seat in New York. It seems like not too far fetched to assume that he voted for himself. Uh, it's a little gauche to vote for yourself, which means that he ended up tying with such luminaries as Eugene V. Debs almost R and B singer Keith sweat and a misspelling of cat Williams. Wait. So Eugene Debs was dead the whole time. Maybe he's dead the whole time. I don't know. Maybe. So actually there's a second vote,

a right in vote for Daniel J. Lipsman. So you might have actually gotten two right in votes. I think that might have been him, which I think he accidentally misspelled his own name on his vote, which, uh, which means that he beat Keith sweat and he tied with TV's John Stewart. So close. Yeah. Yeah. Point is I get the sense that this guy's not really acting above board and there's a part of me that feels bad for Angela. No one under 18 should have literally any exposure to info wars, particularly not being interviewed on it and being used to create anti-public school propaganda. Yeah. The way this is being done. Yeah. I found that to be shitty. Every part of this sucks for her only. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, in the end, their interview is boring. So

we're not going to look at it too much. Uh, but this incredibly fucked up thing did end up happening that just baffled me. Uh, real quick, give an email address for folks that might want to contact you. Uh, Angela, do you have your email address? Uh, yeah. Okay. Don't like to give it out. Don't. I mean, you don't have to. I'm just saying people might send you guys some, some, some federal rulings state. Well, no, the problem Alex is that she shares it with two other kids and they may not want to. Oh, I understand now. That's good instincts on Angela's part. I can't imagine how Alex couldn't realize that giving out the contact information for a 14 year old on his show might be a super inappropriate thing for him to do, but not to be outdone by Alex's completely

insane action. Daniel pops in and says this that blew my fucking mind. Well, if folks want to get a hold of you, I'm sure they can find out how to do it. And I can give my address though. I don't mind that. Okay, go ahead. Daniel Lipsman. L. I. T. S. M. A. N. 4 4 2 0 44 20. Uh, yeah. So he ends up giving out their home address, uh, complete with apartment number. Wow. That's just not fucking cool at all. Uh, wow. Yeah. Wow. I don't know what, I don't know what kind of like nobody's listening to this show as feeling they must have had to be able to like, Oh yeah, this is safe. I mean, Jesus Christ. I feel like he's got a copy of catcher in the right on him at all times. That kind of, I, I can't, I can't imagine dodging the bullet of like, Oh shit, we almost gave out a

child's email address. And then let's give out her real address. Yeah. Oh my God. She doesn't share that with two other little girls. So this whole thing got resolved when Angela turned 16 and went to New Jersey where she could get a GED at 16 as opposed to waiting until she was 17 in New York. She got her degrees and ended up pursuing a path in law. And as far as I can tell, she's a practicing attorney now. So good for her. Yeah. Uh, unfortunately, she represented herself during the Emancipation. Uh, unfortunately, this fingerprint still remains of this episode of Alex Jones's show where this story was told and I'm glad that she landed on her feet though, and seems, seems to be all right. I bet she is absolutely dynamite at two truths and a lie.

Her, her two truths and a lie game must be out of this world. It's just three things that are dancing to the school board for her. One is made of nuts. Yep. So, uh, Alex is just like really, really like, come on, come on, waiting until you're 17, 16 to get a GED. It's nonsense. Now Albany Supreme Court Justice Bernard Malone ruled Monday that because she's not 17, Angela is too young to obtain a high school, supposedly diploma. First people in Texas, I know that are 13 that get it. Uh, that's ridiculous. If you can take the test and pass it and get out of the, the, the system, uh, why not? Yeah, that's not true. Alex probably thinks that because he feels like Texas is a common sense freedom state that you

can't, you know, you get a GED whenever you want. Yeah. It feels like you're freer in Texas than you are in other states. Yeah. Yeah. But you have to be 16. Yeah. So you're not freer. Uh-uh. Now, okay. So that guest, uh, was really interesting. And obviously I really enjoy digging in and trying to figure out what the real story is. Yeah. You clearly had a great time with that one. Yeah. In these 2003 episodes, obviously offer a lot more variety in terms of those things. Yeah. I usually am not blessed with multiple instances of this in one episode, but, but Angela and her dad was one story and Alex has another guest that like, holy shit, this sounds, this sounds like it's going to be amazing. Coming up eight minutes into the next hour, we have a Dr.

David Race Bannon coming on race against evil, the secret missions of the Interpol agent who tracked the world's most sinister criminals. I don't really know what to say about this whole story. I think of Interpol and what I know about the UN and who's involved in a lot of the crimes listed in this book. Uh, but we'll find out with the guests. This should be interesting. That's fascinating. This is very exciting. Yeah. I feel like we're in, uh, you can buy, uh, guest spot territory or selling your book or the like. So this guy, um, he, he did name himself after Race Bannon from Johnny Quest. I was wondering, I wanted to be sure. I wanted to be sure, but yes, I can confirm that. Okay. Um, yes. He's written a book called race against evil. Uh,

and so colon race, colon against evil. And he's, uh, he's gotten a little bit of press about this. He's a Interpol agent, uh, who, uh, has a really, really extreme story about going around Europe and killing, uh, people who are involved in the human trafficking and child exploitation, uh, ring. And Alex is a little bit ambivalent about this because he believes that Interpol is actually engaging in the trafficking itself. Right. Right. Right. Right. And so he's having a difficult time squaring this, but he's going to interview Race Bannon and, uh, this is this, no one is ready for this. Okay. That right now. All right. I believe you. And Alex isn't either. Cause he's got to go to some calls. Um, and there's a theme in these calls. Dave in

California in Northern California. Welcome. Hello, Alex. Hello, Dave. I just wanted to congratulate you on your excellent interview with Ann Coulter last week. Uh, the level of discourse I heard from her is a good example of the dumbing down of America that you're discussing. It's a babbling neogun. Yes. And, uh, mainly I just wanted to tell you that I was thrilled to hear her honking and flapping like a goose that's been run over by a truck. Yeah. There's a, there's a real trend. Uh, I think that most of the calls that he gets about how he destroyed Ann Coulter. I don't recall that. I don't either, but I don't recall her flapping and honking like a goose. Really? I recall her laughing at how stupid this was. Yes. Yeah. And that, uh, this is

a LaRouche shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think, I mean, I didn't know Geese laugh, but perhaps that's taught me a lesson. Yeah. So he gets another call and guess what? It's about the same thing. Uh, Bill in Wisconsin, you're on the year worldwide. Go ahead. Yeah. Alex, I just want to agree with the last caller there. You did a tremendous job on her. I just can't stand her. She really thinks she's something and you did a job. She said, she said, I haven't read the Patriot Act. That's why I'm going to read you a subsection. No, I go, but you wrote in your book about how it doesn't take our rights and how we're liars. That's not what she said. No. Um, but yeah, neither on his show nor in the book. Yeah. Yeah. There's, um, there's a real interesting.

I mean, it's misogyny. Absolutely. 100% misogyny. There is a real thread of that, like in the larger calls of like resentment towards this woman who thinks she knows things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's strange, but it's not too unexpected. And I think one of the things that you really notice about this is that Ann Coulter is legit. She's mainstream relevant. Yeah. And so there's a preoccupation with and like an obsession with continuing the conversation about her long after that interview happened. Right. And like sort of see if you can get some aftershocks of attention off the earthquake of the original interview and find ways to remold it and reshape it into like this heroic story that Alex, uh, vanquished Medusa or whatever. Right. It would

not surprise me, uh, to discover that most of the time when Alex, uh, is, uh, easily dismantled by a woman, a group of men get around him to gather and say that he's so great and he's, he won. He's the best. There's no way a woman would ever defeat any of us. Alex, it was so amazing how you yelled cupcake drunkenly at that woman at the woman's mark. Oh my, you're just a hero. Men are better. Yeah. So Alex gets to introducing Dr. David Race Bannon and he reads the excerpt, uh, or like the little blurb of his book. And I gotta say, Alex could not sound more bored. Let me just read some of the excerpts now, uh, or the description of race against evil, the secret mission of the Interpol agent who tracked

the world's most sinister criminals. And this electric narrative of suspense and intrigue delivers a firsthand account of heinous criminals and stern justice from the insider's view of David Race Bannon. The age of 19, the American youth is accrued by Interpol after he is caught in a deadly riot in South Korea of the next 15 years. Bannon is trained to work in the darkest regions of humanity, deny society's inhibitors, uh, against killing and embrace the agency's role as deliverer of grim justice to evil doers beyond the reach of the law. His, his assignments take him from the slave houses of Thailand and the disappearance of London's most notorious child photographer who investigating the KAL 858 bombing and tracking tariffs and criminals in the United

States. And it's, it's an interesting book that has said the least. I even yawned in the middle of that. It's, this is a sleepy board reading of this. Yikes. What should be like that's high intrigue. I mean, it, it sounds, uh, like a movie. Yes. So, uh, I imagine it's probably not as true as, uh, we would like it to be. I mean, who knows this guy? I mean, he's named after a Johnny Quest character. See, there's that. That's a red flag. Pretty legit. That's an issue, uh, being recruited at 19 after being caught at a South Korean riot. That one raises some red flags to make. Sure. Sure. That story is actually fairly interesting. He was at a, a riot in South Korea. Like a student uprising and, uh, he got stabbed, uh, by some guy. Yeah. And so he ended up having

to kill him and, uh, that, and then Interpol recruited him. Right. They were really impressed with, uh, with the way he murdered that guy at 19. Interpol is like, Whoa, that's a good murderer. Yeah. They're scouting, uh, at riots. Now I'm, I'm going to say that sounds farfetched, but now that I hear it, I think he'll tell a little bit more of the details of that story later. So we'll get to that when it, when he gets to it. All right. Um, but yeah, so he, he, uh, we got recruited in and he became part of this unit, uh, called Archangel that, uh, goes around and it deals with these human traffickers. Uh-huh. There's Minerva. Just tell us the story and tell us about yourself and what happened. Oh, sure. And I wouldn't say Interpol was the good guy, uh, far from it. However,

uh, certainly the sub directorate of Interpol for which I worked, Archangel, uh, our job was to identify those who buy and sell children across international lines. Uh, having said that, you've mentioned previously a couple of times, very good point. Uh, for most listeners, it's difficult to wrap our brains around this type of crime. So you see there him being, uh, like deferent to Alex's point because Alex's main sticking point is going to be like, Hey, Interpol is evil. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, Interpol is totally evil. Yeah. Yeah. But not my part. No, I'm dope. Yeah. Which I think is smart. Yeah. That's a good way to, to placate Alex's concerns. He's not going to come with too many hard questions if you concede to his main point right out of the gate. What's

the point of having cake if you can't eat it? Right. Right. So I think one of the things that I'd like to do as an experiment is sort of, you know, I want you to experience this information and see what you think about it. Okay. Or the red flags. Right. Uh, and you already had one that's race ban. Sure. That one's trouble. Yeah. But we're going to begin the story at the beginning and we're going to go through all the way to the end and we're going to go piece by piece to see what is true and what's not true. Well, I mean, we don't, we can't really know that at this point, but I just want you to have your instincts. Gotcha. Like what, what do you, what do you, as somebody who takes in information and assesses it, right? How do you feel right now? This guy

sounds like a cold, blooded killer. All right. And we'll go on to this next clip where Alex is, he's really trying to nail this part down that is like, sure, there are people out there who are running human trafficking and what have you, but every time I look into it, it's my enemies who are sure. Isn't that weird? Yeah. And so let's see if Bannon agrees. Okay. So what I'm saying is every time I track it back, it's, it's the UN, it's major corporations, it's, and then, and then, and then there are federal agencies and other agencies that are trying to stop it, but they always get pulled off of it when they get too high up the chain. Exactly. Correct. My years with Interpol, when we were assigned to track these individuals, many times we would find within a

network of the slavery rings, there are individuals highly placed, either religious or political leaders or people of old money and very seldom where those individuals are targets. Instead, we would target people lower down the chain. And then it really becomes an overarching system, an intelligence system. So the elite knows how close other agencies are getting to what they're doing. That is correct. Hmm. Well, problem number one is very simple. If you are in control of your story, why are you agreeing with absolutely random and sane things? Alex is saying. Yeah. I mean, if your story was true, wouldn't you say true things instead of be like Alex, you got it exactly right? Unless that is part of his true story. Yeah. It's not necessarily to say that, you know,

Alex bringing this up is forcing him to change his story. Right. You haven't read his book. Right. That might actually be part of his, his, his, his, his life story. Right. So you have the construction though of this guy is an insider. He worked at Interpol in this, in this agency. Archangel. Archangel. And he has experienced that Interpol is essentially just a cover-up operation protecting these really rich and powerful people while taking out lower level folks. See, now he didn't say that. That's what was said. And then he said exactly right, Alex. Right. That I have a problem with. I don't think I, I mean, my sense of it from the fuller interview is I don't think that he would not say that. What wouldn't he say? Well, he would say that he's

killed a lot of people. Yeah. Well, I do believe that there are a lot of people in Interpol who wanted this terrible traffic to stop and we're doing everything they could to stop it. But I also know that frequently we were not assigned the cases where it was very clear an individual of significant influence was either buying and selling child pornography or actually involved in purchasing the services of child prostitutes. Unbelievable. Now you would assassinate these people. The teams with Archangel known as cleaners were in essence a fascination team. And well, I guess we'll talk about that when we get back. But how did you get into this? That's where I guess where the story should start. Oh, sure. Do we want to talk about that when we

get back? We got a few minutes right now. I just wanted to warn you of that. But yeah, how did this start? Well, I started as a Mormon missionary in South Korea of all things. Oh boy. So yeah, he's an assassin. Okay. All right. How are you feeling? You ever see Bloodsport? You know how that's Frank Dukes? You know how that's a true story based on a true story? Definitely is. I'm getting a lot of Bloodsport vibes from this right now. I'm getting a lot of kumite vibes. I'm getting a lot of the military had to let me go fight in this underground tournament because I was too good for them to get in the way of. But they had to keep tabs on me because I'm too good. What if I fight against the whole government? Well, yeah, that's interesting. You have those vibes. I'm

having those vibes right now. It's totally understandable that you would because this story is wild. Yeah. Yeah. So he's part of an assassination team. I think that there's a strange trend in some of these guests that Alex has that they like to portray themselves as hit men. Larry Nichols has claimed that he killed people for the claims. Of course. Hard rice, soft rice. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. I don't understand why these folks just insist on playing up murder credentials. I don't know. I don't know whether true or not because we know in Larry's case it was bullshit. He admitted that he lied about that. Right. Well, yeah. In this case, this guy still might have been an actual cleaner. Right. I don't know too many people who I mean, you know, I don't know too many people

who've killed anybody. Well, then also we gotta add Alex himself to the list. Sure. He's bragged about killing people. Yeah. Why? Do people look up to you if you kill a lot of people? I don't know. I think it's just one. I think it's a machismo thing. Yeah. Being menacing, scaring people as part of their masculinity. See, I mean, I feel like every person I've ever met and known who has killed anybody though has been like killing people is not something to ever say ever. How many people have you ever killed people to soldiers? Well, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, my grandfather's both thought in the yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes much more sense. That makes way more sense than like the other couple of days I was out at a bar and somebody was like, yeah, I got medals and shit.

No, they both of them were very much like not something to brag about. I think that you hear that typically in interviews and stuff with people who have been actually done it. Yeah. So yeah, this story begins for him in South Korea in this riot. And he'll discuss that here a little bit. Well, I started as a Mormon missionary in South Korea, of all things, and got involved in a riot in South Korea at the time is very war torn country. Some 2500 students were killed during that riot. And I was required to use lethal force to defend myself. My actions came to the attention of an Interpol recruiter. And it was just convenient for him to have somebody who had Korean language training and was malleable to their propaganda techniques as many fundamentalist

Christians are. That's why they use the brotherhood out of DC to recruit a lot of people young. Oh, sure. And of course, fundamentalist Christian college campuses are without doubt the primary recruitment ground for most intelligence agencies. The reason being that if you have someone young and naive who will equate service to God with service to country, you can get them to do anything. Oh, man, that whole thing about marrying fundamentalist service to God with a form of patriotism. Yeah. And how you can get people to do just about anything can't help but feel like that as heavy resonance with Alex's present day career. I can't think anything about that. That seems like exactly what he does. Instead of getting people to do things in service of the country,

he just gets them to buy pills. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit different. The mentality is pretty much the same. He's just basically describing Alex's business model. I'm feeling like if he weren't recruited by Interpol, he would have been recruited by the secret space program. I'm getting like that all of the recruiters for various... A lot of Camelot. Yeah, I'm getting a lot of all the recruiters for various places were all at that particular riot. They were kind of looking around and he just got nabbed by Interpol first. He was about to be a super soldier and he doesn't even know how much he missed out on. All of these groups like the secret space program, Interpol, Globalist, all of them were there for like a convention. Yeah. And the riot

itself was actually just like a recruitment thing. Right. They were all watching with binoculars. Absolutely. Like it's a squid game. Yeah. It's exactly a squid game. They squid gamed until people became soldiers. Yep. That makes sense. So Alex wants to ask about like how how many people have you killed? Like you're talking about being an assassin. How many people have you killed? We were then given a dossier on this individual and assigned either as a team or singly to track this individual and extract as much information as possible from them, either through undercover work or sometimes through torture and then ultimately eliminate them. How many people did you torture and kill, Dr? If I may dodge that question, I will answer this.

The head of Archangel, Commissioner Jacques de Faire with Interpol told me that of the some 250 Archangel cleaners or assassins, most of them were responsible for into three digits. Three digits? Yes, sir. Sure. But that's that. I mean, but you look at the BBC and Reuters, I mean, Dime Corps and the UN 200,000 people flown out the women and children. I mean, how big is this? I mean, this is amazing. It is amazing of huge global proportions. The money that is generated is into the billions of dollars. So he's killed hundreds of into the hundreds of people. That's the type of thing where somebody's like, see, this is so crazy, they'll have to believe it. There's no way anyone would believe that I would lie about that many. It's too obvious that

I'm lying. That's why they'll buy it. I'm getting a strong sense that you've tracked this. You've marked this as bullshit. I am pretty close to saying definitively, this is complete bullshit. See, these incidents in the three digits, all of the cleaners for the Interpol 250 or so of them have three digit kill. Yeah, a lot of people as a lot of people. That's a few thousand people targeted assassination missions. So you're telling me that these people are important enough to be assassinated but not important enough for anybody to notice that thousands of them are going missing it all the all the time. No, it's probably covered up by Interpol. Oh, that makes sense. So yeah, you have just the basic gist of this story is already giving you massive red flags. The South

Korean riot that leads to being recruited by Interpol, where he ends up becoming part of a program called Archangel, where he's killed into the hundreds of people. It's a little fantastical. I'm getting close to what is going to be my favorite part of the story, which is the part where they have to explain why their evil organization that has directed them to murder thousands of people will absolutely not harm them whatsoever after leaving and revealing all of those secrets. Well, I think it's obvious and that will come up. Yeah. Oh, I know. Yeah, there's going to have to be an explanation for it. And I'm looking forward. There's already an explanation to that is unspoken. But I found this and looking into him into why Interpol won't say that he actually

was an agent. And that's because of course they wouldn't. Why would they? Why they never reveal that? What? No. This time. No. Perfect. Yeah. So look, one of the big things that Alex wants to really nail down in terms of this interview is that they're ignoring the upper level people like the globalists. Sure. They get a pass from Interpol. I mean, they're not saying Rothschilds, but that's basically the vibe that I'm getting from him. When he says old money, that's what you might make that assumption. What really runs this? What does it lead back to? Well, ultimately, it comes down to money as almost all of these pernicious rings do. The producers themselves had to have customers. When we were able to extract information from the producers,

frequently they would name more powerful people who were funding their activities and who were purchasing much of the material as well as purchasing the children themselves. Some of the names that we were given, we would deliver to our commissioner and never hear again. And they were names of people that are infamous in the world for their either political, monetary, or religious influence. Wow. Yeah. That's what just incredible to see this going on. Wow. This is exactly what I've made up stories about for a long time. And now you're telling me that all of it's true. This is overwhelming. Alex is not doing the work to sell this, but he's also not doing the work of the sort of, I don't know, critical analysis of the information that's coming in

that even you're doing. The baseline of like, are you serious? He's just accepting all of this. It really feels like he's just trying to get this guy to finish his story and then get him off the air. Like he's just going constantly. He's just like, wow, that's amazing. He's on for the rest of the show. Get the fuck out. No. Why? This is bullshit. Alex is thrilled by this. Wow. Well, it's because it feeds into the narratives that Alex already has in place, namely that they're going around, they're finding these people and that they're using Interpol as a way to cover up these rich and powerful people. Fine. And that then those rich and powerful people are being blackmailed in order to do exactly what the globalists want them to. We then were encouraged to

infiltrate the network just basically doing standard undercover work. We would develop a complete legend or cover story and get as much information as possible before we ultimately eliminated our targets, sometimes using torture if necessary. While we were doing this, we often would uncover many names within the network that were not known to us, just low level producers again all across the world and occasionally a name would pop up that was immediately recognizable or upon further research we could see was highly placed within a government, within a religious organization or some major global corporation. Were you allowed to go after those people? Not once. That's amazing. So, in a way, again, it was an intelligence bureau for those in the establishment

that were doing this to insulate themselves. And just talking around the warehouse where we trained at Ark Angel, talking with some of our supervisors, etc. We do know that there were occasionally times when these individuals were blackmailed with the information that we had uncovered to suit the current agenda of Interpol. So, this all works perfectly for Alex. Right. He likes this. Right. This is great. I get it. Yeah. Come on. Come on. Are you telling me that Interpol is in the business of blackmailing world leaders? Sure. Why? Why is Interpol doing it? Right? Isn't that our first question? Ultimately, at the end of the day, Interpol does not exercise a lot of power in the global structure. No, that's not the first question.

Okay. It might be your first question. It's a question. It's not really even a relevant question for this interview. Sure. That's fair. Far more relevant is, let's talk some more about those assassinations. How'd you kill those people? Okay. God damn it. Just an average, committing hundreds of assassinations. On average, assassination, how would that play out? Well, each assassination team, a team of cleaners, usually was three or four individuals. Sometimes we were sent out singly or in teams. The teams had their own strengths and weaknesses. My particular forte was what's known as close wet work. That is, close quarter combat using hands or bladed weapons. Walking up and stabbing somebody in the neck or head.

Yes. And the basic special forces type stuff. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. And the methods that we used were designed to eliminate the person quickly and quietly. There were other methods used, of course, and they were poisoning shootings. And sabotage vehicles or was that not sure enough? That is definitely not sure enough. Yes. This guy's a master in knives. I was proficient in the size. Other people in my group had precisely with swords. A bow staff. There was a bow staff, of course. A nunchuck guy. There was a nunchuck guy, but he was a little bit out there. He had a lot of fun. I'm telling you, you know what? On those long road trips, he would keep us laughing. He was a good guy. He was a good guy. Sad I had to murder him.

Yeah. So he's got like they got a team that's like a proficient in knives. Get the fuck out of it. You've got like the dirty dozen fucking asshole. You've got you got the guy who's who's good. Is a sharpshooter. Close. You got to get knife guy. Oh, probably an explosion. Oh, yeah, there's got to be an explosion. I gotta correct myself. Explosions aren't precise enough. No car bombs. No, no, there's a grease man, of course, who can get into narrow situations. Yeah, of course. I get it. And one of the things that I think makes his story seem maybe more believable for Alex is this next clip talking about the sort of it's not exciting to kill people. Yeah. That kind of thing is counter to what you would expect somebody telling this story to say. And so it lends a little

bit more credibility since it's sort of off expectations. The dull robbing horror of taking another person's life and of using torture techniques to extract information, of course, plays heavily on one's soul. And it's very difficult to deal with. Yeah, I'm sure it's really so bad. How did I address it? Frequently, these individuals, we would either catch them with child, or we would catch them surrounded by video or photographic images of this individual abusing children. Seeing those images, it was not too difficult then to use the methods in which I was trained to extract the information. Yeah, you're literally just sending a demon back to hell. Yeah, so it's a dull, throbbing horror as opposed to an exciting, flashy, tense situation.

No, no. I mean, this would be a fucked up interview no matter what really. I don't know like where are you at in your own brain that you can hear somebody in such a banal way just be like I executed hundreds of people and tortured with no legal justification beyond what it was we saw. We have an archangel mandate. Exactly. License to kill. And then I'm listening to this person and I am in Alex's place going, Oh, instead of you're a fucking terrifying psychopath and you need to be stopped at all costs, I should say that Alex does have some misgivings about this. And like emotionally, he totally understands and agrees with killing. Sure, you have to murder people. Absolutely. He does think that this sets kind of a bad precedent. It can. It can. So I

appreciate him at least giving voice to that. Right. So Alex has some has just sort of a, you know, like this is this is tough stuff, but we got to face it. It's horrible. It's upsetting. It's depressing. But as Patrick Henry said, if we don't face the truth, we'll be destroyed. All right. I'm inspired by that. Wow. It's time to face the truth. And I think you've already figured out some of the truth. And what do you think that David Race Bannon, everything he said on the show is a complete lie. That sounds about right. In 2006, Bannon, whose previous name was David Dilly, but he had actually legally changed his name to Bannon to sound cooler. He was arrested and good change. Good change. He was arrested in Colorado on a

number of charges. Okay. He was charged with criminal impersonation. That'll do it. Computer crime and attempted theft. We'll get into the details on this, but the short version is that he just made up this entire story about working for Interpol. US authorities were essentially fine with letting it go, but it became a huge problem when they realized he was using these fake credentials to quote solicit fees in excess of $3,000 for a two day training course on human trafficking. At that point, he was actively profiting off of his criminal impersonation, so they decided it was time to step in. Bannon would go on to take a plea deal where he admitted to the criminal impersonation and the other computer crime and theft charges were dropped.

He got five years probation and was ordered to undergo mental health and substance abuse treatment, as well as performing 100 hours of community service, presumably not as a secret assassin. Yeah, there's a chance that he actually could have done prison time for this, but the prosecution specifically decided not to pursue it. And the fact that he had to undergo mental health and substance abuse treatment leads me to believe that there was something irrelevant to that that made it so like we think that he's got a problem. Well, I mean, it gets back to the point of saying something like this, which is if you did all of these things and you're saying it, you're absolutely out of your fucking mind. And if you didn't do all of these things and you're

saying it, you're absolutely out of your fucking mind. There's something going wrong. Yeah. Yeah. So the bottom line here is that this guy is a complete fraud and the stories he's telling based on personal experience that he's had are all lies. All the stuff about how he knew that Interpol was ignoring some reports of powerful people involved in child trafficking are just something he made up. The stuff about torturing and killing killing child pornographers, that was from his imagination. The stuff about the riot in South Korea where he had to kill a man and thus got recruited into Interpol. It's a complete fiction. The Charlotte Observer is a really good article about this where they rely on statements from Interpol itself as well as an interview with

Bannon's ex-wife to make pretty clear how much of a fraud he is. She explains that during the period of time he claims he was out there killing human traffickers. He was actually, quote, teaching computer classes at a community college in Raleigh. Oh, he was in North Carolina, not North Korea. Well, that sounds nice. Yeah. By her assessment, Bannon was a habitual liar and she, quote, doesn't think David is well. He wanted to be a hero and wanted to be a writer. So he created a heroic backstory in a book which kind of solved both problems. The way she sums it up is actually pretty devastating. Quote, he wants to be special, but he doesn't want to put in the work. Hilariously, one of the- Wow. Jesus Christ, lady. I mean, that's, you're right. That is devastating.

Yeah. Hilariously, one of the sources that did some of the really good work deconstructing his fraudulent backstory is a website called Bushido.net, which has a forum that's dedicated to exposing people who lie about their martial arts background. That's great. Unfortunately, Bannon claimed to be a third degree black belt in Hapkido, and this got some of the folks at Bushido poking around. You're done fucked up now. You stepped into the wrong fucking arena, my friend. Yep. So they poked around and figured out that he was pretty much clearly lying about that belt and that led to pulling some threads. Their post that originally started on how he was lying about his martial arts skills ended up expanding into a savage takedown of his book, and if their description of

the plot is accurate at all, this is one of the most ambitious lies I've seen on this show. Let's hear it. There's so much international intrigue and murder. Bannon even has to kill a friend and lover named Eunmi when he finds out that she's a North Korean spy. I knew it. I knew we were going to get a spy. From there, things just deteriorate into an exercise in fact checking that's almost breathtaking. They show that based on the year he claimed it happened that South Korean riot he says he was in could not have actually even happened at all. Right. They had somebody in France go to investigate whether or not a French a French secret servants member that he claimed to be engaged to but died in the line of duty was a real person or not. Spoiler alert. She wasn't. That was all

made up. They even contacted the Korean school he claims to have a PhD from and they have no records of him getting a degree at all. Great. It's amazing stuff and it really helps make sense of why the Charlotte Observer article about him is titled the man who lied about everything. Yeah, he pretty much nailed it. I think that this entire interview with Alex really highlights two problems with his show that existed in 2003 and he's done zero work to remedy. The first is that he's the most gullible mark who's ever hosted a show of this size. Just about anyone can come in and tell him made up stories about something he wants to believe and Alex will buy it wholesale and pass it on to the audience's truth. People like this guy or Steve Pachanik say the stuff that Alex wants to hear

and things that make his narratives easier but they also create a perception that geopolitically significant presumably historic heroic people. They think that Alex and shows an important place to make an appearance and that validating of Alex's narcissism is just something he can't resist taking part in regardless of how clear a liar he's having to vouch for in order to get his fix. The second problem is actually a bit more serious and that's because of how irresponsibly Alex handles this stuff. He's actively disrespecting the very issues he's pretending to take seriously. Uncritically interviewing this Dr. Race Bannon isn't a front to people who take the fight against human trafficking seriously. Instead of dealing with the issue soberly as it exists in the real

world Alex retreats into his own fantasies and in the process helps this guy promote and profit off of creating a fake life story that treats the exploitation of children as an intriguing plot point. Essentially it's a prop to his story. Yep Alex should be really ashamed of his participation in this but obviously Race Bannon should get to the lion's share of the flak here. The notion that he created this entirely fake career in Interpol and was using it to run seminars on human trafficking is terrifying. It's unknown all the organizations that he sold these seminars to but when he was arrested it came about in the aftermath of one of his speaking engagements on a college campus in Colorado. After he took that gig the Colorado police caught wind of him and contacted him to

see if he would do a training session for the police. He quoted his price and that was plenty to fill out the warrant. The point is he was willing to lie to students about the reality of this very serious issue of human trafficking and he was willing to lie to police in a training setting and he probably had in the past. Yeah this guy's more than a charlatan. He's a person who made his living disrespecting victims of human trafficking and it's just amazing that Alex can't or will not see through this very clear fantasy story of murders and spy novel tropes just because it works to help him demonize the people that he wants to demonize. It's a shortcut. He's taking a shortcut because he doesn't want to do the work and the thing that I really want to put sharp focus on

as much as like obviously this guy is the real problem. His appearance and the way Alex was engaging with it really does have a connective line to the present day. His show sucked in similar ways back then and he never learned. He never fixed these holes in the boat or whatever. No he learned but he learned that the holes in the boat are what keeps him floating oddly enough. Yeah that may be true. The paradox may be accurate or maybe he realizes it's in his best interest to sink the boat and so the holes are actually good. Oh I can breathe under water. What the fuck. Yeah. I mean if you don't get consequences for your actions beyond being rewarded for them then you're not going to change your behaviors. It's you know all too often this

is a little bit skinnerism with Alex of just direct. If you reward him for this behavior he continues to do it. You know. It's very simple. And if he does seem to have no ability to experience negative feedback. Yeah. Like there's no constructive criticism in his world really that ever seems to exist. And so there is no negative feedback. Yeah positive feedback or negative feedback is just proof positive that you are on the right track. And so negative is positive to fuck with you. Exactly. And positive feedback. Well that's just positive feedback baby. Yeah it makes it it makes for a devastating loop. Well it's brutal. So there was another thing that they have a conversation about that I think is a little troubling and that is that they seem to want to

when I say they I mean Alex and Ray Spanish. Right. They both seem to want to invade Thailand. Wow. The U.S. should invade Thailand because of human trafficking concerns which I think is geopolitically weird. You talk about Thailand a military invasion. I'm all for it. I mean that's pure evil. I mean sure. And in 10 minutes Bush could get the evidence of what he needed to go into Thailand but they don't even have sanctions on Thailand. We could have sanctions on them shouldn't we. Not even sanctions. It amazes me that the things that we seem to worry about and obsess over in yet here are literally thousands of innocent children. And I've been in Thailand on a number of assignments and we saw parents with children as young as two years old walking up

to brothels to sell them into slavery. This should not be allowed by any of those parents should have their heads blown off and the child should be given to adoption. And you see here I hearing that I want to I want to kill him. I mean I understand how you could do this. I'm not denying that child exploitation and human trafficking does exist at all. But these dudes are having a fraudulent conversation here surrounding a fake lived experience that this guy is is describing that is being used to call for geopolitical things like invading Thailand starting a war. I thought Alex was an anti-intervention guy really against war. I mean it seems strange. I just I just don't. I mean wow yeah and there wow just really going out

there and saying that where people can hear it. Yeah should start a war wild. So they decided they're going to take some calls. I mean just really some asshole said that there's a lot of human trafficking going on in Thailand. So you know what let's invade or at least sanctions. Yeah which I feel like Alex shouldn't be for either based on his politics. What is happening. I don't know but we're going to take some calls. We cannot ignore it. Dr. David Race Bannon PhDs our guest. He was a assassin or cleaner for Interpol killing low level individuals say that again and tell me it's true and using it higher up levels for blackmail against government officials. This is amazing stuff. He has a lot of courage to go public with this. We're taking calls.

He's got a lot of courage. Basically a hero. Does Interpol kill people. I feel like they don't. Interpol doesn't even fucking do much. Right. Well they have a couple albums. Well I mean turn on the bright lights was their best one. It didn't get better after that. Let's be let's be real. Untitled two was pretty good. Don't know enough Interpol songs or albums to make this joke work. Oh you went out on a limb. This is a riff dead end. Yeah I don't know. I don't know the extent to which Interpol is going around with assassination squads but leaving that aside it's embarrassing the way that Alex has now accepted this story totally and is reporting it as opposed to being like I'm talking to somebody who claims that he

was no that would maybe be a responsible way to interview this guy with a little bit of pushback and like let him air the claims but make it clear that you as the person the audience trusts have some misgivings right about the story. At least some. Yeah instead Alex is like this fucking guy. I can't believe we got this guy. I can't believe we got this guy. How is this guy available. What a hero. Amazing. So let's really just fucking get into it. Every time we look back in history this is an elite practice is it not doctor. It is very much so and my PhD is in Asian history from Seoul National University by the way and why I assure you that all throughout Asian history as well as Western history the elite have pursued this grotesque and dark fetish.

There you go ladies and gentlemen that's the new world order for you pure trash pure evil anything else will. No that's all we're proud of you. Thank you well. Oh man. You know what listeners you kept telling me to have this guy on what he's saying is accurate unfortunately and I mean I just it's horrible. Let's and we have to talk about it. So that's a grim added detail for me like the fact that the audience had requested Alex interview Ben and means that he had every opportunity to do some vetting before having him on or preparing for the interview in any way so he wouldn't just get duped by a con man into making a mockery of child exploitation. The act of not preparing for this interview I want to be very clear about this

is a choice and I suspect it's one that Alex routinely makes because if he prepared he wouldn't be able to justify interviewing these really ambitious liars who help him create profitable narratives and validate his own inflated sense of self. Real guests wouldn't do that for him and if he treated the con man he interviews like they deserve to be treated they wouldn't provide him with what he needs. It's kind of like an unspoken mutually beneficial arrangement between liars. We get a plausible deniability you get a platform to say we're bullshit and then maybe you get hired by another cop agency to teach them about and fucking human trafficking in a way that will be completely useless to them as a training exercise and maybe let's be clear counterproductive might actually

impede their ability to deal with this very very real and serious issue. Yep. Fuck these people. Amazing. So anyway they talk about his book here uh Race Against Evil get it because his name is Race Bannon. Fun. Doctor Bannon I didn't bring my book to the studio the day with me that I got last week. Who publishes your book? New Horizon Press they're an imprint of Penguin Publishing. Wow so a big publisher was it and and and folks you know we interview a lot of folks publish books but they don't just let you write a book like this without checking it out. They absolutely do. And it's you can write any old book you want and reading the book it's unfortunately it looks accurate to me I wish it wasn't the case. I have great news it's not. So I am actually not

entirely even sure that New Horizon is an imprint of Penguin Books. Penguin has a list on their website of all their imprints and New Horizon isn't included which wasn't a good sign off the jump. Yeah. And then in 2021 they decided to close up shop and in a post announcing the end of operations of New Horizon they discussed the history of the publishing company and they don't mention Penguin at all which is another bad sign. I don't believe it actually was. If you're an imprint of Penguin Publishing you would have mentioned that you're an imprint of Penguin Publishing. Probably yeah or at least like thanks to Penguin for being a partner throughout you know. I don't believe that but Alex is using that part of his lie in order to

establish that they would have done fact checking so therefore this guy's stories must be true. Absolutely. And I think that that's just super duplicitous. What it's like you think they would just let you make a movie out of a lie if you they wouldn't check up on it they wouldn't be like what is the kubit and why is this guy there. They wouldn't say they wouldn't do any of that. It's got to be true Dan has to be has to be. So we get some we get some interesting stories here at this point because I think maybe this banon characters might be feeling a little bit more like Alex is saying all this stuff is true. Let's let it go getting a little getting a little high on his own supply. So in this next clip we hear about how he actually actually spent some time

in a North Korean labor camp. Sure. Get it. You just a North Korea idea. I myself was imprisoned in a slave labor camp in North Korea when I was captured during an Interpol assignment and my PhD is in Asian history from Seoul National University. So I like to pretend I know a lot about this country. I can assure you that North Korea has been working on weapons of mass destruction programs biological chemical weapons for 20 years. I've got articles eight years old where they were testing nukes. This whole thing of they got to attack them before they get nukes is a joke. Oh it is. It is. It's a huge joke and everyone on the inside has known this. It may be that it's now just more politically convenient. I've got to hear about this Dr. Bannon. You're

telling me. So you got captured in this North Korean camp. How did you get out. What was that like. We just read the Wall Street Journal article where they were when the people starved to death. They they hang out their carcasses and sell the meat. That is correct. And there are many horrendous torture methods involved. I was only there for a little under a week until I was traded back to South Korea and what's known as a spy swap. That is there was a known mole in the South Korean Secret Service. He was actually a North Korean double agent. He had been captured and was traded back for me. Got a spy swap. Yeah. They also got cash considerations and a spy to be named. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Totally. Unprotected for

the next 2020. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I think that you can get the sense to that one of the ways that this guy really is able to get people like Alex to go along with this stuff is he's very soft spoken. He seems nice. And then also he clearly has some just like ingrained or innate improv skills. Yeah. Like he's able to say yes to just about everything and then move it over to something else. Like Alex is talking about them serving dead human meat. And he's like yes. And also there's a bunch of torture methods and then he shifts away from having to be talk about the cannibalism. He doesn't need to talk about that cannibalism. That's not his part. That's not part of his story. Validates Alex is part of it and then redirects.

How is it that you know so much Alex and I'll tell you also about what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a it's a tactic that I think I can see Steve do it a little bit. Not not as much later though because Steve was more than willing to be like no. Now he directed the show. Yeah. He turned. Alex you're wrong. No but yeah. He's improv. It evolved. Del got far away. So we learn in this next clip about his fiance that he had. He had this French secret service anti-terrorism lady who was his fiance and formed into ascension. No. No. No. No. Different guy. Different guy. Different guy. Are you sure. I was involved in a joint operation with Interpol and the counter-terrorist French DST agency where we approached a

cell of North Korean terrorists who were using child pornography and buying and selling children to fund their activities including a bombing of the Paris Embassy. During that confrontation my fiancee Chudet Rimbaud who was a an officer with the DST was killed protecting the lives of others by a North Korean terrorist. And that's what ultimately led to my willingly embracing the role that we played of eliminating these individuals. And did she die in your arms. Yes. She did. Get the fuck out after she really just a moment. Just one or two minutes before she got damn it. Come on. That's just amazing. And then it is all in the record folks. Just incredible. Let's talk to Dan and Illinois. Dan you're on the air. I'm on the air. I have some problems.

I got some huge problems. I got some huge problems. What are you fucking talking about. The Interpol and the French anti-terrorism unit. We're fighting against North Korean terrorists in France. And then his fiance got shot. Oh my God. This is a little much. What are North Korean terrorists. I don't want to I don't even want to talk about it. Okay. I don't even need this in my life. I don't know what's happening. I think any responsible person having this interview would have to be like what the fuck are you talking out of here. Go away sir. That is absolute bullshit. Come on. That's a scene from movie. Did you did you at the moment of her passing then lower your head and then dramatically

raise it up or did scream no at God himself as the rain poured down upon your face. Is that what happened sir. That was in the next chapter. Okay good. So yeah but I think that you know the two of them both seem to have an understanding of what's going on in this interview and that is like we're going to be able to use each other pretty well. Right. And so Alex much like he did with the interview and the whole conversation about Angela Lipsman and her whizkidness. He he wants to use this to attack the CPS because he hates the child protective service. Of course. And so Bannon is a willing participant. Yeah sure why not. Also I would add to this that that on the wider scale dealing with this corruption that most people in the government

are are not involved in this but that statistically the number one group when I read the newspaper Dr. Bannon can say if I'm right or wrong that it's the child counselor. It's the CPS worker. It's the truancy officer and they bust a lot of them here in Austin. Don't these predators try to get into positions of power over children or the the the the Boy Scout leader. I mean isn't that who you've got to watch. Very much so and well said Alex. It fits the profile. Yeah well said Alex. Everyone in child protective services is indeed running a front for human trafficking. Great work and truancy officers officers. It doesn't get more North Korean terrorists than truancy public school teachers probably in the mix. Oh why not. Why not. They're around kids.

So you asked an interesting question at the beginning of this and that was the idea of how he's still alive. Yes of course. I told you we would get to that and here is here's the explanation there. Question. When he ever produced a list of people in corporations high government or high religious areas by name and who are in the United States or globally. You know what I'm saying like a list of them that were involved that he was probably to and he couldn't go after. An excellent question and one I've been asked repeatedly. If I may say this and I'm entirely selfish in this account but that is part of the large amount of documentation that I keep secrets as an insurance policy for myself and my family. If he was going to release that he

had better release it to a hundred sources before he announced it because if he was going to release that they would kill him in a minute. Well I understand that. And that's what I've said before. You're only safe by going public folks not by hiding and sneaking around. Right. So this is how liars like this guy lie. Like he can't produce a list of names because that's his insurance policy to stay alive as opposed to it not existing. Yeah. It's using the absence of proof as proof itself which generally speaking is the mark of someone you shouldn't take seriously. However more interestingly the way Alex engages here is fascinating. Bannon is saying that he isn't releasing these names because it's his insurance policy to stay alive and Alex is saying he's

got to do that and if he wants to release the info he needs to release it all in a hundred places in advance. But then Alex remembers that his normal talking point is not that and he completely contradicts himself. Yeah. Consistently it's Alex's position that you're in danger only if you sit on information and the only way to actually be safe is to live wide out in the open. What Alex should be doing if he was serious is to you should insist that Bannon release all the information that he has immediately because to not do so according to all the things Alex usually says that's a threat to his life to not release all of it. I suspect Alex doesn't do this because on some level he knows Bannon is making this up and there is no list. So it's best not to press the issue.

The only way really through this interview is playing along even if you have to contradict long held positions that you have. I mean I think the simplest thing on this one is to I mean let's take it at face value. Is that true? Is it true that you are withholding the names of the very traffickers that you theoretically are 100 percent against to protect just you. What a hero. So you're willing to kill in the triple digits but if any possible harm comes to you oh my god yeah I gotta protect these billionaires and millionaires who are financing the ongoing human trafficking that's still happening that I'm not doing anything about. So what you're saying now is that you're willing to invalidate everything you've ever done meaning

that every murder you've committed is 100 percent worthless and on your black fucking soul and then if you fuck you. Your selfish desire for safety comes at the cost of presumably the lives of countless children and human trafficked individuals. If you guys want to play your masculine I've killed so many people bullshit. If you want to talk about courage kill zero people and die to get that information out. Right. Far more heroic. So Alex is going to take a few more calls but he realizes like ah shit I was supposed to talk about World War three. Tell you what Dr. Bannon do five more minutes with us on the other side so we can let Larry finish up and then go to Pam and that's it for calls because I gotta cover World War three stuff

just as serious if that's actually possible but but it is. It is. We gotta get to World War three stuff. So serious. World War three has been right on the cusp for a long time and that is right now too. Yeah. 2022. Yeah but we're on World War four by now. Seven. So Alex really seems to before this whole thing ends he wants to know more about these these killings. Sure. Yes of course. Seem to be a point of fascination for Alex. Thanks Pam. Not only how you executed them was with a knife. Primarily yes. My expertise was with bladed weapons and close quarter combat. But you say you generally interrogated them before killing them. Yes often we did either I would these scumbags usually fight back or do they just grovel. It depended on the individual

and I can say that there are many occasions where thank God I was with the team because some of these scumbags were very tough. We'd like to think of them all being cowards but they weren't. There were grovelers as well however. My goodness. Alrighty. My goodness indeed. So yeah this interview comes to a close with a whimper but this whole thing was outrageous. That's so fucked. Yeah that's so fucked. I was I was like I was very surprised because like I said this stretch in 2003 that I've been listening to has been really boring and not worth even discussing really. And then I get I get sucked in by this story of a genius high schooler. Of course. And then it turns into an episode where he's talking to perhaps one of the most brazen

sociopaths that has ever appeared on his show. Wild. I mean that might be an exaggeration. Yeah. Steve's up there. Steve's way up there. But the particular lies that this guy is is selling are the nature of them are much sicker than a lot of the other people that come into Alex's orbit. Yeah. The personal interaction with these stories what they're about. It's just gross. Yeah. I mean it's it is that kind of like I feel like the Batman conundrum for for these dum-dums. You know like you want to all the superheroes the guy who goes out killing human trafficker boom boom boom I've got knives I'm killing people and just like Batman goes and takes care of crime and then you're like yeah but you're not doing fuck all but masturbating

basically you could be doing shit you could be helping people if Batman spent a fucking dollar on helping human beings instead of building a goddamn bat boat then maybe we'd be in a different situation and this guy's doing the same deal with the the actual problem instead of the symptoms of the problem and this guy's doing that same thing of like I'm willing to hold on to these names because that's heroic is me living I'm a vigilante that totally is taking on sort of the pissant lower levels of things while intentionally protecting the powerful and wealthy yeah yeah cool you have just told the most heroic story of yourself in some ways when you looked at in that light it's almost good that this is fake yeah no it's incredibly good that this is

fake otherwise they're talking to somebody who is literally running interference for all of the most powerful people in the world so they can continue child exploitation a bit yeah so we have one last clip here and it's alex sort of realizing that he didn't get to most of the news yeah just a bunch of other news here that we didn't get to you've got to visit info wars.com the troops are going to put on the streets of america unarmed ground vehicles that zap you in microwave you or shoot you and the police of course will be getting them too and of course they'll need to use them on you and it's all part of freedom ladies and gentlemen before I in this show I do want to talk about how a black bear mulled a few people the other day so I say

banned both bears they want to ban guns the old man out in california drove over and killed six eight people they're not sure yet yesterday I say ban old folks from driving I don't really mean that but you know that's the answer to everything in this world now so I think listening back to these old episodes I understand how the strategy of never getting to the actual stories developed back then and in 2003 in particular around this time it was super important for alex to get people who were listening to go to his website because that was where they had a better chance of getting integrated into the revenue stream the best way to get people to go to the website was to hype up huge bombshell news that never actually gets covered on the show but is totally proven and

documented on the website that's where you got to go to find it right in that understanding you can kind of see how his show might evolve to essentially be a promotional tool for the website where alex's insinuations about the news stories he should really it should be really seen as a sales tactic right to get people to take action right the website to go to the website as a call to action not getting to the news as a call to action essentially right right right understood in that light it's absolutely not in alex's best interest to discuss the stories on air because if he did so that would give the audience the impression that they've covered the relevant topics and there's no real need for them to go to the site to see that coverage repeated

I have a suspicion that this was an intentional strategy that also conveniently made it so alex didn't have to do any work and that's just continued to the present day that's the training that he gave himself right right right right also as it relates to that last part of the clip where alex is being all snarky about banning bears bears are banned you can't own a bear that's true that's a bad example yeah he's actually making a solid argument for banning guns I mean we banned bears because of the danger yeah so let's ban guns because of the danger yeah that actually is a one to one yeah that's one to one if you want guns to just be allowed to live in the woods then bears should be allowed to live with you well no like guns you can have like I know I know they

could fish on at a stream or whatever oh everybody can have guns but they can't interact with human society you can't have them in your home you can have free range guns yeah something like that yeah and in terms of old people driving that's also a really bad example because we require licensing to drive like if alex wants to compare the relative dangers of old people driving and guns that's great let's just then treat them similarly and require licenses and universal background checks for gun ownership yeah his arguments are dumb yeah even these arguments that he thinks he's making that are like slam dunk so just stupid no most of the time his best arguments are the ones he makes in a sarcastic sounding voice because he has danced his own yeah exactly yeah if you if you

attack your actual defense of rebuttal with like oh yeah sure let's ban bears dumb dumb is the actual point he wants to make is that everybody should have unlicensed to bears I think unregulated bears if thomas jefferson had a bear then everybody should have a bear actually that one does make sense pretty dumb i'm gonna take it so yeah this episode was fun it was fun i but also terrifying and creepy and gross yeah yeah yeah don't get me wrong it's fun in the knowledge fight content which is upsetting and terrifying and creepy and gross yeah yeah but but i think that there's so much more interesting uh stuff to dig into here than a lot of the present day stuff so it was really nice to have that uh that uh little breaky for me that led nice to have a little breaky into

the past uh it's gonna it's gonna kill us all that little breaky it will we're all saying it now it's terrible um so yeah uh i think alex needs to shape up he's 19 years overdue he's got some time is he can figure it out he's still got some time holy shit um so we'll be back on monday jordan with a probably check back in on the present who knows who knows uh but until then we have a website we do it's knowledge fight dot com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and i go to bed jordan yeah we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i'm dr marbles and now here comes the sex robot andy in chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you