Mark Bell's Power Project - Bodybuilders React To “Is Obesity A Choice” Debate

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

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When you were eating grapes and lettuce, were you thin? I was the thinnest I could be. Were you still big though? I was still big, but that was the skinniest I've ever been. And I do think that we have to recognize that people are born much differently. How do you replace like a bad habit? It's like not the funnest thing, but maybe you can try to find healthier options. I am in the fashion industry.

So it really doesn't cost that much to make underwear. Yeah, she doesn't know what she's talking about. He's dead on. But I think it's important to understand for some skinny people, we're not living a great life by any means. He probably eats like shit too. It doesn't help that our cities aren't walkable either. America is a country of non-walkable people.

That's a big deal right there. What we got going on today? What sort is this? Yo, middle ground. Jubilee beat. Like they really do a good job of like making these things seem inflaming because the title is being fat at choice. And then in the thumbnail, it's skinny versus fat. That's an interesting thing is being fat a choice. I'm sorry. There's a very different difference between the people who are telling people go out

and get fat versus Eliza who's's saying accept me the way I am. She's not just saying accept me the way I am. She's dressing extremely scantily clad. Oh, she's going to be a headache. I don't think that it's normal for a morbidly obese person to be wearing a G-string in the middle of public. Oh, she's going to be a headache. Fat or skinny is a choice. So the people that walk up, they agree.

And then people that stand back disagree. This is a tough one because it's a choice. But at the same time, like me, I find like even though strength like training is a habit of mine. I was lucky that my mom who raised me put me in a lot of sports she got me in the gym at 13 years old um she fed me good food right so it was and even though i make the choices now not to eat and overindulge uh i had a better upbringing to put me in the right position to be in shape some people don't they don't either they don't have parents that pay attention nutrition their surroundings it's it's tough but as an adult

you still make the choices but sometimes you're not set up the best way and i do think that we have to recognize that people are born much differently um there used to be a kid that lived on uh on a block that i lived on, and he was really, really heavy. I mean, at like six, seven years old, he was big. And it's like, I don't think that that kid had a choice. Now, that probably represents a really small percentage of our population, though. And I agree with what you said. Like, once you become an adult, yeah, you do have more choices.

Like once you become an adult, yeah, you do have more choices. So do you have a choice to act differently than other people that may have been abused when they were young? Do you have a choice to – is it a choice to perpetuate that and have that be the same family lineage that you're an alcoholic as well because your dad was an alcoholic and now you're you know uh following in the same footsteps i don't know i i can't really for me i can't really judge that because i never was in that position i would imagine it would be hard i would imagine that i would have every intent of being like i'm not ending up like my old man but you see it happen uh time and time again where people do end up being very similar even when they try to avoid it. We'll get back to this, but you hit the nail on the head. Contextually, if you're a kid, you do what your parents give you. It's hard to be the kid that's like, no, I'm not going to eat

the cereal when it's on every commercial and it's fed to you every fucking morning. At that point, you don't have a choice. But as an adult, it's a choice to change the direction of where you are currently. And you have the power to do that. It will be difficult. It will be difficult because you're changing a lot of habits. But at that point, it is your choice. But I do think a majority of it is. In most cases, for most people, being skinny or being fat is about willpower. It's about the environment you grow up in, sure, but who you choose to associate with. For me, it's calories in, calories out. Go to the gym, you'll get buff. Don't go to the gym, you won't get buff.

I understand that there's genetics that could cause you to want to eat more, but even with the genetics that cause you to want to eat more the same solution is calories in calories out yeah these these topics are sensitive because a lot of times not so much when someone just has like a couple extra pounds on them 20 pounds 30 pounds maybe even 40 pounds but once somebody starts to get very heavy once somebody's obese it's really rare for there not to be some sort of childhood trauma or something that registers as being like very negative to that person because two people can grow up or three people grow up in the same household and two or three of the people out of the household could think that

their childhood was pretty good and one of them could think like that it sucked and that you see that happen quite a bit I i wish i could reference the name of his podcast but our buddy russell buddy has a podcast where he's talking with a lot of people that are obese russell is obese himself he's a good friend heavy conversations i think and russell it might be the name of it russell has uh successfully lost about 100 pounds we're gonna have him on the show pretty soon um and i listened to him talk with this guy sean on his podcast and i just don't think it's community that gets heard from very often i do think that people are talking now and you're hearing there's you know there's some people

from fat acceptance and some of these other things that you're starting to hear but that's not the stuff that you actually really need to hear you need to hear in depth what it's like for somebody to be on that side. And I think that's the only way we can learn about each other. It's the only way that we can really grow. I don't have any idea what it's like to be black. I have no idea what it's like to be a woman. I have no idea what it's like to be short. I got no idea.

There's different things. I don't have a perspective on it. So I have to ask questions. I have to communicate with people who've been in those situations and say no this is really what it's like and then once you know what it's like then you can start to maybe help somebody unravel some of the situations that they might be in um but until you start having like a lot of conversation about it you you don't really know anything it's again it's not as simple as like oh pull yourself up on your bootstraps Again, it's not as simple as like, oh, just get everybody to exercise.

Yeah, again, because there might be trauma there. And for me, growing up, my mother was obese. My brother had mental health issues. And seeing both of those things growing up was really interesting because my brother, it was hard for him to get help with his mental health because he was addicted to drugs. My mother, it was hard for her to get help with her obesity because she had mental health issues. So she would have had to, my mom, even though I encouraged her, my mom needed a psychiatrist or a psychologist of some sort she needed she needed a lot of help upstairs dealing

with uh the stuff that she dealt with from the time she was a kid because her dad was an alcoholic her mom was an alcoholic she was called fat when she was young and that from the time she she was like bigger she wasn't necessarily fat she was maybe heavy i guess you'd say at that point when she was young and her dad would make fun of her i think her brothers would make fun of her and at that age you know when you're young i don't think it's really a choice you know so things start sliding downhill quick then you're 18 19 20 years old or whatever maybe you get fun of made fun of a little bit at school and then maybe you're kind of like an adult and you're like oh my god like i do look a lot different than everybody else i am

like i'm shit i'm i'm fat like i'm way overweight and i need to do something about it my mom always tried but my mom never got to the root cause problem and the same thing with my they're both dead because of it my brother was never able to get to the root cause problem of his drug addiction because it was mental illness. And so they were both kind of, I think, searching for answers in the wrong spots. Beef. Power Project family, it is grilling season. Now, I really don't know much about grilling since I use an air fryer at home.

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and head over to cpbeef.com and at checkout enter promo code power to save 25% off your order. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Get your glizzy goblin on. I felt like as a toddler, I always viewed myself as big. I grew up in a very like poor home. So where my mom

couldn't provide the meals that she could healthily. So when we would get like free meals, even then it would be like canned food and it would be like very much food that's not as edible. It was food for us, yes, but then I felt like once it reached a point where I was old enough to try to make my own choices, I made all of the wrong choices. I wasn't eating. When you were eating grapes and lettuce, were you thin? I was the thinnest I could be. Were you still big though? I was still big, but that was the skinniest I've ever been. I do think that's a good point. She mentioned that she was eating a particular way and that she still was kind of big. I think that that's, it's obvious there's differences between us. You know, people just need to recognize that we're, we're different.

Some people are going to be bigger on the same amount of calories as somebody else. I think this is the way it is. The tough thing though is too, is like the grapes and lettuce or she said grapes and water, right? She probably wasn't eating many calories. She probably didn't have much energy. How long, I'm not saying she, you shouldn't even be trying to eat like that but how long can you eat like that sustainable before you binge yeah right and then you have this mind of like i tried the diet and it didn't work and then you start eating

and then you're this rough cycle it's like that's why your energy out's not good and that's why you got it like the the weight loss stuff needs to take time for people a lot of people want it to be super fast so they go on crash, but those crash diets aren't sustainable. So then they start eating more because they don't feel like they can diet. It's like you got to find a middle ground. You really do. One or two pounds a week is about all you can do. Do you think that right now you would not be capable of becoming a thin woman?

I possibly would be capable of becoming a thin woman, but since I was young, I was supposed to get blood tested probably when I was very, very young and I never did. And they had mentioned that it could have been because of my weight and how that connects with my thyroid. I never made the connection and I never had like that, like leaning parent to be like, go and get checked out, go and do this. Like your weight is probably not your fault. It was always like your weight is your fault. So that's your issue. I want to mention, we work with a company called Merrick Health. If you're somebody who you're trying to get in better shape, you're trying to like work on your diet, et cetera, get your blood work done, get your blood work done.

Because like some people actually do have thyroid issues and they don't know. You don't know if you're deficient in something. Merrick does a great job of getting your blood work. They have coordinators that'll help you figure out what you're deficient in so that either you could have nutritional protocols or supplements to help you deal with those deficiencies. My mom got Merrick Health done. My sister's overweight and I got her blood work done so that we could start helping her move in the right direction. I've gotten my blood work done and I use specific supplements to help with my personal deficiencies. You want to know what's going on especially if you're trying to start making a change you want to know everything that's going on you don't want to just start dieting but you have

no idea if you do have some type of issue you need to deal with well with you know thyroid in my own blood issues I'm not quite sure but I do see an endocrinologist and I go see a doctor it's a choice to do the requisite steps it's a choice to go grocery shopping instead of going to fast food and it's easy it's a choice she's never had a difficult day in her life i feel so bad because i dislike her so much i have what is that too yet like why why do i just not like her? They did her bad in the preview. Okay, that's right. Okay, you're right.

Yeah. Yeah, she seems a little preachy. Yo. Let's see. Oh, God. Calories in. Calories in. And not go into the bread section and not go into the junk food section.

These are all choices. As a disabled woman, I can't do a lot of the things that people say, calories in, calories out, oh, you got to go work out and exert it. A lot of the things that are typical, oh, this is how you lose weight, put me in the hospital. I have to navigate weight differently. I have to look at it differently.

My weight is the way it is because of medication, because doctors put me in this position. And I had to learn, okay, am I going to be so hateful of my own body that I am going to backlash and put myself through extreme gym nights, through keeping myself from eating things that I should be able to eat? You should be able to have a balance. You should be able to go into the junk food aisle like other skinny people do and still not have to worry about gaining 20 pounds. But I don't think skinny people go into the junk food aisle like other skinny people do and still not have to worry about gaining 20 pounds but i don't think skinny people go into this they certainly do

i mean my doordash would tell you otherwise i'm so happy that they're just dunk on her but with what this woman said as far as um you know the junk food stuff we talked about this before said as far as the junk food stuff, we talked about this before. I don't keep junk food in the house because I will overeat it. If I had fucking Raisin Bran Crunch, if I had fucking Nature Valley granola bars, if I had fucking Ben and Jerry's in my – if I had these things, Oreos, oh, fuck. I could go through a whole thing with four sleeves. I could do that in a day. The reason why I don't buy it. And the reason we talked about this on the podcast before, the reason why we don't keep these things in the house

is because we know that we will overeat it. So what she was saying right there, she was like, you know, we should be able to eat some of this junk food too. It's like, if you're responsible with it, are you responsible? I know I'm not. So I don't, cause I could, I could gain 20, 30 pounds very quickly. So I don't, I don't make that difficult for me by keeping it in my house or buying it. How do you replace like a bad habit? You know, you, you, um, you probably need to replace your, uh, habit of chewing tobacco with like big lead chew or something, you know, like some sort of bubble gum or something.

Like probably need to like trade it out with something else, your coffee habit with tea. It's like, I need something to take its place. So maybe you can just try to find, it's like not the funnest thing, but maybe you can try to find healthier options. The woman that said she's a handicap, she looks great. She looks like she's holding herself together. Like maybe she's got some extra body weight on

her, but you know, I think like she looks healthy to me, you know, but, but she was saying that she has a disability. I'm not sure what it is. And she did mention that she was on like medications and stuff like that. So people have really way different uh situations you know um than than other people but that your body likes to be at specific weights it likes to be in a specific way so if you are fighting yourself to lose weight by not eating over exercising and you are damn near killing yourself to be at a specific weight, your body's unhappy. I just want to mention real quick with what she's talking about. She's correct, but that's why the moderate approach is annoying, but it can work for people because you got to

think about it. For anyone who's very overweight, it took a while to get very overweight. It took a while to gain all that weight. And you cannot expect that you can lose all that weight fast. And when she's saying is like over-exercising and not eating, that's what a lot of people do. They start over-exercising, they do too much and they don't take in enough energy and they can't last. And then they say it doesn't work. Whereas they're really hungry and agitated and everything else, right? Can you start just taking a few walks? Can you build in walks into your day? Can you eat a little bit less like this? These things take time to change, but if you can take that moderate approach, it'll take time to drop those pounds,

but it's going to be something you can stick to for years. Cause it's going to take many people years and you got to be okay with that. If you go for the fast route, most people don't last. And then they, they, they binge again. And then they say diets don't work. A choice can be harder for people to make due to conditions in their life. But at the end of the day, it's still a choice. I could say that I had food addiction. I looked at food when I was stressed and this and that and this. And so it's harder for me to choose it than for someone who has like the perfect lifestyle, who someone who has parents who are giving them this and that and this, but I definitely still acknowledge that it was my choice at the end of the day when i go there and i look and i see should i order a second hamburger i'm the one choosing whether

or not i order that second hamburger i'm the one making that choice he said harder for me and i think that's awesome like that's such a great take home for anybody like what is harder for you like what are you know you we all have situations every day where we're open to self sabotage and then like what what areas are you weak in what areas are harder for you than it might be for somebody else and that's nothing to uh nothing to be envious of anybody over it's just like this particular part of my life this particular little section of my life of my day it's a little harder for me i believe than maybe other people and maybe even for that guy maybe he doesn't even really realize i think a lot of people don't know this people are hungry

all the fucking time oh yeah no matter whether you're skinny or whether you're fat or in between um i was really hungry when i was 330 i I was well-fed when I was 330. You were well-fed. I'm hungry now. Like right now, literally, I'm fucking hungry. I'm really, really hungry right now. And it's just something that you end up kind of partnering with. You just put your arm around it and you're like, yeah, we're good.

We're going to hang out for a little while. It's okay to be a little hungry here and there. Yeah, it's not going to kill you to feel a little bit hungry sometimes. You don't always have to feed the beast. But one thing I want to also mention here real quick is we were talking about the scale earlier. When people are dropping weight, the focus is the scale. They're looking at that number all the time. They're paying attention to that number every day.

They're weighing themselves every single morning. It's a good idea to look at other places where you can find wins. We've talked about taking measurements in certain areas. So measure your waist once a week, measure your hips once a week, take measurements of different areas. Cause ideally this area is going to be going down a little bit and the scale is going to go look like it's going to go down. It's going to go up. It's going to go down. It's going to stall. It's going to go up. It's going to stay there. It's going to go down. That happens. And if your, if your mental state is all wrapped into the number on the scale, you will get fucked. But if you can take measurements, if you're doing some resistance

training and you're like, oh, I'm lifting a little bit heavier. Oh, this feels a little bit better. That's another win. If you're able to go on longer walks without getting as winded, that's a fucking win. If your clothes are fitting better than they used to, your fucking belt has your few notches in, that's a win. These are ways that you can get wins and feel like you're making progress. Whereas if you're only paying attention to the scale, that's a very easy way to just like get mentally fucked because the scale is not perpetually going down. I would rather be skinny than fat. What do you guys, I mean, I'm, I agree. I think that I personally agree. What do you guys think?

Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. I'm also really tall. I'm six foot six. So I kind of wish I could just pick a single struggle because finding the clothes and things like that when you're bigger both ways can make it really hard. So if I was skinnier, at least that's one less thing I have to worry about. But also I've got two kids and a wife and I'm taking care of them. I've got two kids and a wife and I'm taking care of them. And as you pointed out, I definitely think that I'm at less health risks if I'm a skinnier person, if I'm a healthier person in that capacity.

And I would much rather be that so that I could be around for my kids longer. Can the disagreeers please step forward? I don't think skinny always equates to being healthy. Exactly. Absolutely. I am fairly skinny. I'm 6'5". I'm 140 pounds last time I checked and I'm severely underweight. And I know about this on a day-to-day basis. That being said, I don't know where I'd want to lean

at an appropriate weight level, but I think it's important to understand for some skinny people, we're not living a great life by any means he probably eats like shit too you know he probably eats exactly the same way as some obese people probably eats processed food probably eat some junk yeah and speculation but well i mean my experience as a kid uh i was active i played sports i rode my bike pretty much every day rode my bike to much every day, rode my bike to school every day, all that stuff. But I ate processed food like almost 100% of the time. I'd get home and I'd microwave some like a burrito or something. I'd eat potato chips all the time. And when it came to eating dinner, I didn't want anything to do with it because I had just had all this amazing processed food.

So when my mom would cook a home-cooked meal, I'd be like dude that that it's flavorless compared to these Doritos I was still very very skinny growing up I did have like the like a little like belly but like arms legs everything like I was a skinny kid I've been I mean even as an adult when I did start drinking and stopped moving I still didn't get fat I I gained more weight but I was still very skinny. So probably like this guy, like, yeah, I ate a lot of the similar bad things, bad foods that you would think of. But I didn't gain weight. And, you know, it's interesting to think about that. One thing that would be amazing for all of these people to do, skinny, fat, or otherwise, would be to lift. Lifting some weights would be really beneficial for all for everyone um the guy that's skinnier

he could feel a little bit better he could feel a little stronger feel a little bit better about himself and i have no idea what his diet's like but his diet would probably um uh not necessarily correct itself but his hunger signals would be there if he exercised. So in particular, some lifting I think would be really useful, um, for all of these people. Even the guy who said he was six, six, uh, yeah. Who's overweight. Um, that guy without any real dietary changes, just lifting weights could perhaps over the course of a year or two put on six to ten pounds of muscle mass maybe two three years six to ten pounds of muscle

mass that muscle mass as long as he doesn't eat more that muscle mass should help him to reduce his overall body weight over a period of time or at least at the very least help him to recomp. So maybe some lifting and a little bit of walking, lifting three times a week, walking two, three times a day could really, I mean, I know it sometimes some of the stuff that we say sounds like a lot from,

from somebody that hasn't done hardly any of it at all. But what I always think of is like, what if it's something that changes your life forever? Then is it worth it for you to go into a gym and say, who's the best personal trainer in this place? I'm here to change my life. I need someone that's gonna hype me up, that's gonna help me, that's gonna show me the way.

Like, who do I select? And if they're expensive, tell them, say, hey, I picked you because you're the best, but you're a little expensive. And so I can only do consulting with you for a couple sessions, all I can afford. And hopefully you can teach me some stuff so I can go off on my own and do some of this on my own when you're not around. There is such a gap between, one, the research because the research has a huge fat phobic bias in it. And there has been research that shows that they aren't, even especially during COVID and the correlation between obesity. They rushed through those studies so fast because in society's mind, oh, of course, a fat person is going to equal someone who's going to get sick faster, is going to get sick easier.

It was an easy jump. So they didn't do all of the testing that they were supposed to do. The thing that that woman Cambria said, she mentioned like, you know, going to a doctor's office and you know, they won't check certain things. They'll just say, Hey, you need to lose weight. And you know, like specifically women have kind of been underserved by medicine because a lot of like research has been done on men and they don't treat women the same. Sometimes they'll just say, Oh, do this, do this. And it's, they're now finally doing more studies on women and how like they respond to certain things for medications and supplements, et cetera. But in her case, the issue is like, when you are severely overweight, your sleep is compromised. You don't breathe as well. So you're

probably having sleep issues. And we know that having good sleep is compromised. You don't breathe as well. So you're probably having sleep issues. And we know that having good sleep is one of the biggest metrics for being able to actually be healthy and make the right choices as far as food and having the energy to exercise. So that gets kind of fucked when you're overweight and obese. You're typically going to have higher blood pressure. It's typically going to be hard for you to move. The thing is, the biggest lever one can pull is going to be losing weight you know like yeah you do definitely do need to get your blood work and get tested for all these things

but if you're obese the biggest lever for your overall well-being and health is going to be losing weight so when a doctor does that you can't necessarily blame them because hey they have a lot of patients but they see so many people where it's just like, you're a hundred pounds overweight. Can we fix that? They probably should do more. Right. But at the end of the day, that lever, if you pull it and you can make that change, many of the issues that you may be having will probably go away. And then they can really dive in on some specific things. But the weight loss is something that is just like it's an obvious lever america has an obesity problem i think it's pretty clear you look at the weight of the average american

you see how obesity has affected not just children i mean the fact that we have more younger and younger people who are looking heavier and heavier and you you see that like you know the way that weight affects us as a society and you compare that to how we were in the past now Now not that we should always, we shouldn't compare ourselves to the era of the Great Depression when people just couldn't find food of course. But people are heavier now in an unhealthy way and people are eating unhealthy. They are eating it through unhealthy access to food. They're eating diets high in seed oils. They're eating high in corn syrup.

They're doing all this kind of stuff that's not good for them that we didn't used to do and it's bad it's not a good thing it's an epidemic it needs to be it needs to be quashed in some capacity i i know we mentioned this earlier but i really do want to reiterate that like andrew's in great shape mark's in great shape i'm in great shape but we like literally also make the choices to combat the environment you know like we don't buy certain things even though we'd like to like we eat out sometimes but we're we're careful about how often we eat out how much of it we eat like you know because you know things if you don't have the right habits you it's going to be difficult for you to be in good shape you have to like make a concerted

effort not to do the easy thing or the thing that feels good or eat the food that you want to eat at this point in time and make a better decision so it's not something like it's something that everybody deals with in shape or not it's just you got to make those choices and also i want the guy with the blue shirt the tall guy would be fun to have on the podcast i want us to try to find his ass he's he i fucking love him i think his name is dylan dylan if you're watching this man we watch him yeah get him into some uh get him into some lifting yeah what i think is really sad about that is so many people in america just see the profit in it i don't want to say i know that

these people know the problem but it's like how can you not the problem? They have to see it and just not care. They have to just be like, well, we're gaining profit. Do you see how much this McDonald's is making? Put another one across the street. Like, that's just like how it is. It's the corporations. It's the medical industry. Having a fat country makes us money.

It doesn't help that our cities aren't walkable. America is a country with non-walkers. That is why I. That's a big deal right there. You go other countries the infrastructure is totally different it's like walking is massively encouraged public transportation is also like a lot better in a lot of other places too so it's like people aren't driving as much they use their public transportation they walk certain areas it's a big deal like that's not something i thought about but that's a big deal and they're encouraging it with media and the mukbangs i was literally gonna bring that up with the mukbangs and like

all those videos that just come up to trends not only the mukbangs but also like lizzo and other big like media i'm sorry there's a very different difference between the people who are telling people go out and get fat versus a lizzo who's saying accept me the way I am. She's not just saying accept me the way I am. She's dressing extremely scantily clad and then saying if you don't think that it's normal for a morbidly obese person to be wearing a G-string in the middle of public, then you're the problem. And they're trying to normalize society to this obese culture which is extremely unhealthy. What is an obese culture?

A culture which like normalizes obesity. I'm obese and I haven't even heard that. Well, obesity is already normal so... I don't think it should be normalized and it wasn't normal just a couple decades ago. But what's the difference between a obese person myself walking around in a g-string or a bathing suit as i do almost every day and a skinny person like is it okay that the skinny person is doing that to say that when lizzo does it is the same as a victoria's secret angel it's just not the same yeah what's the difference what you mean are you telling me they look as much

as we get what she's trying to say i get what you're saying yeah the victoria's secret model i i but she's digging herself yeah yeah think whatever you want but don't say whatever you want power project family your normal shoes are making you weak. This is why I partnered with Vivo Barefoot Shoes, because they have a wide toe box, they're flat, and they're flexible. So with every single step you're taking, if you're taking a 10-minute walk outside, or when you're working out in the gym,

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I do feel like health wise, people should try to be healthier, but there's no perfect body. There's no perfect person There's no perfect size and there's people who are underweight There's a lot of them and then there's a lot of people who are overweight so I I really don't see it as like a Problem, but just so I think here's another interesting thing like let's say You see the guy in the blue shirt see him walking down the street you know you might judge a book by its cover you might say man he's really overweight he's really unhealthy

but how do we know that he's not on a path you know how do we know that he didn't already lose 20 pounds and he's been you know working on it so I really liked what she said is that you know maybe you know worrying about the body type and the body size obviously we would like to probably stay within a certain range size wise but it seems to be very difficult and challenging for a lot of people and how about everybody just when they're ready they start to work on trying to be a little healthier they start to learn again trying to be a little healthier. They start to learn. Again, it's like everyone's raised so differently. People have such different backgrounds.

It would be great if people just knew this stuff from the time they were like 10. That would be really helpful. Or from even earlier. I mean, Andrew's been instilling all this in his son since he was born. I did the same thing with my kids I think I think I basically did it right away with both kids like the whole time I've been teaching them about food conversations about food when they were really young were easy because a kid when they're six years old they're super literal you know a kid might say that someone's fat and then you have to say hey you know we can't say that you know you can kid might say that someone's fat and then you have to say, Hey,

you know, we can't say that, you know, you can't go in the grocery store and like, say, Hey, why are you fat? Like we can't do that to people. You can't, you know, that's not the way that we act. But what you can say to people is, you know, there's people in the family that are overweight, they're fat, they eat too much. They have extra energy on their body because they over consume. They don't move enough. They do X, Y, and Z. And you're not trying to shame anybody or talk trash on anybody, but there are people probably in close proximity that make teaching your children much easier. having role models, like negative role models around you and positive ones. You say, hey, you know, your uncle so-and-so, he runs all the time. You know, he does this. It makes him feel good.

You know, he does this to relieve stress. He also, you know, is a teacher or whatever, you know, and you explain like what each person does and how they kind of manage their life. And your other uncle has diabetes. And this is why. Right. I'm saying this because I have an uncle who has diabetes. A hundred percent. Those are close proximity. has diabetes and this is why right i'm saying this because i have no class 100 100 those are close proximity and then the kid hears that word like diabetes and they're they're scared you know

or they're kind of concerned about it like you can get that when you eat even just one bowl of cereal so don't touch the cereal scar them for life touch on what you were saying, because I am in the fashion industry. I wanted to become a fashion designer. My dad was one. And they buy 10 rolls of fabric for one price. So it really doesn't cost that much to make underwear.

Sure, but don't you also have to worry about distribution? I mean, if the average person is, let's say, in between small, medium, large, and you're sending clothes out for those you know you could send out ten thousand of this ten thousand of that ten thousand of that you can't always send out ten thousand three XLs because you're not going to have that many people fitting in the 3XL having sold apparel with many sizes what what what do you know about like yeah she doesn't know what she's talking about okay oh she's so yeah yeah he's he's dead on um like and also I you know not only selling apparel but selling like knee sleeves and stuff i've had so many uh so many guys come to me and say hey man

can you make like 5x knee sleeves 6x knee sleeves bigger singlet bigger this bigger that and we tried to accommodate wherever we could um which was kind of fun it was kind of cool and we just would ask the manufacturer and they would make one, but it would be like a special order because of what this guy is saying. Like there's no, I can't make an order for 10,006 XL belts. Cause they're, I'm going to have them for the rest of my life. Pretty much. I'm not gonna be able to sell them. There's a census. So we have a database of what type of people are there.

Now we don't know who's going in there, but we know the type of people that live in that area and the type of people are there now we don't know who's going in there but we know the type of people that live in that area and the type of the people that come and visit the area so that person is doing their job accordingly and usually large sizes are sold out how many times you guys gone somewhere and you're like this place just has like mediums and like sometimes there's like nice like a upscale clothes and you're like all this shit's tiny or even like an xl is like tiny and you're like i guess i'm out i go to lululemon like it's like the two xls they don't have as money there so like you know i gotta like fucking it sometimes it's not there but it's usually not many right and they don't even have three x's so it's like

lulu doesn't go over two x racks yeah i mean based on my very little experience with apparel uh with our stuff and then slingshots also it's yeah what sells out first it's like the large and the xl and then anything above 2x or 2x is like kind of there almost forever and you know i get what she's what she's trying to say but like if you make the same amount of 3x 4x it's you're gonna sell like one percent comparison to the xls like well she's saying she knows who shops there but she the only reason why people shop there and purchase something is because there's something in their size there's a lot of other people that go in there and go fuck they ain't got my size i'm too wide i'm too big i'm too chubby yeah fat shaming is worse than skinny

shaming uh what do you guys think i think fat shaming hits harder i think it is you don't want to shame anyone but if fat shaming hits harder than skinny shaming in my opinion but yeah i was i mean made fun of for being skinny and scrawny and i got picked on because it's like oh what's that guy gonna do you know and that that did suck but i would see you know other kids get fat shamed and it's like whoa like it just seems awful there's way more negative stigma to being fat yeah now you can go all john claude van damme on them yeah yeah rip out their heart i could put it in a little doggy bag for them. Dude, I could pull guard. Watch what I could do if I

get my gi and a mat and you give me a couple minutes to stretch. Yeah, I was like, wait, don't, no, you don't move that way. Here, you gotta roll this way if you want me to choke you. Could you put this coat on real quick? Yeah, for real. It's cold out here. Put on this gi, I mean this jacket. Yeah, I would agree the fat shaming is

probably a little worse so i do agree that fat shaming is worse than skinny shaming just overall entirely the way that people like comment on people's weight compared to somebody skinny they usually don't comment on somebody skinny they don't think there's something wrong with them they don't like they'll maybe say like oh you're very thin um do you want to eat a cheeseburger but that's not as bad as telling somebody you eat 10. She wasn't even meaning to make the joke. She's like, oh, you eat. There's probably not a lot of big people out there that literally ate 10 cheeseburgers in a row.

There's some probably, but there's probably not, you know, 10 full-size cheeseburger. No, no. See, I ate five Flying Dutchman. Oh, yeah. I forgot the Flying Dutchman go down kind of smooth. I forgot about that. I was thinking like a restaurant burger yeah but but again nobody that is health conscious or whatever you want to call the term is gonna go order five flying dutchman they're gonna get a four by four or they're gonna get two double doubles whatever it may be they're not gonna roll through and get a shit ton of flying dutchman she said something interesting there she said um they wouldn't recognize that something might be

wrong with them like that's interesting yeah like is that what we're identifying when we see someone who's heavy that there's something wrong with them that's that's i just i just think that's it could be the case i could be totally guilty of that myself think about kids like you mentioned think about what kids see. What immediately hits their head when they see someone bigger. They see it as a problem. They don't think about that usually with skinny people. I guess you're identifying that there's – maybe the word wrong just doesn't sound correct to me. It sounds kind of mean, but I understand what they're saying.

Maybe the word would be different. You just recognize – like if someone's missing a leg or someone's like you know they were born a certain way as much as you want to try to like you know yeah you don't know what to do i don't know what to do in that situation i get super uncomfortable i'm like should i look should i not look should i say hello what should i do you know it's but you are identifying that there's something different about that person i guess that's the important thing but what if a kid grew up in a world where everybody had one missing leg? Right. They wouldn't even catch it.

Right. So I think we're heading that way with being overweight. Yeah, where everyone's, yeah. Like the person that is thin is now the odd man out. Yes. Something that I always get a lot of comments on is my masculinity as a man because of how skinny I am it's always something that I've always kind of dealt with my favorite comment is always I look like a sickly ill Victorian child this idea that skinny people can't also feel good.

Y'all see Dracula now? I know. I was thinking, like, I was hoping he was going to say, like, vampire. Oh. Oh, fuck. A sickly Ilvik boy. But he really is, like, I mean, he's wearing it, right? I mean, he's very, very fair skin. He's got the chains going, the neck tattoos, and then.

But at this point, if he gets sunlight, I mean, we've seen what happens to vampires in sunlight. He sparkles. It's not good. Sparkle, exactly. Fuck. And also, like, the shirt that he's wearing does seem very vampire-ish, too. It's like a red. Anyways.

But I think that's a good point. You said you were called skin and bones when you got my cousin. You're sorry. No, whatever. But your cousin. So people using shame as a motivator to get your cousin to not be too skinny. Shame as a motivator is a powerful tool. So the reason I stood over there is fat shaming worse than skinny shaming. Well, you could argue that shaming somebody in order to motivate them towards a healthy lifestyle is actually a good thing we'll mention like African households are Africans are the most blunt people all the African families. I know there's a kid that's out of shape they shame the fuck out of the kid and It's somewhat looked at differently because typically a lot of these things are done out of love.

Are there healthier ways to do it? Yes. But bluntness is something that we are about. We don't like to beat around the bush when we're talking to people. We tell you when you have a problem. We tell you when you're unhealthy. That's what all my relatives do. That's what all my extended family does.

All the Africans I know do that. That is a very effective form of communication even the dialects in Nigeria are all extremely straightforward in terms of the way speed like the way things are spoken so it's like some people a little bit of shame can go a long way but you got to be mindful who that person is for me a little bit of shame can go a very long way I know that for a fact and I don't mind being shamed for something because i'm like that's true right other people it may not be the case so i get what you're saying yeah they might not hear the message right they might and that's i think that's where shaming is kind of supposed to start is like with concern but it's really usually not concerned it's usually just like making fun of or trash talking or at least that might be the way it's interpreted by the person that's getting shamed yeah yeah my 600 pound life

a thousand pound sisters family by the ton all of them can do it all of them have had this systemic issue of waking though i have watched those like as a younger person and it would make me feel disgusted with me when I was a kid so it would make me worse and it made my mental health worse because then I'm like is that how everybody automatically views me as just somebody who's old? I like watching stuff like this because it helps me to learn. I would never think that someone would feel ashamed in watching a show like that. I would think, I mean mean it's just fascinating to get brought into any of these kind of shows that is a world that you're not familiar with

but just really interesting in hearing her say that uh she was like discouraged by that that's interesting it does make sense though because like with these shows it's never like they're putting these people in a very good light right like it's usually you see the troubles you see how hard their life is it's just they're never put forward as like oh i'm super intelligent or whatever it's just like i have a weight problem they really don't resolve it either and it seems to consume their entire being you know it consumes their whole life yeah that's dark i've seen like a few episodes of those like not even full episodes because it's just really sad to watch i don't think we should shame anyone to do anything gotta shame people for something because back to what

they were talking about earlier about being in a g-string just randomly out in the street um we need some shame so so uh dudes aren't just fucking whacking off in the middle of the street you know what i mean yeah i need some shame like uh it does help control society a little bit but i kind of get her i get the gist of her point i don't think she's maybe thinking it all the way through but you kind of need there does need some shame here and there and say hey man we don't we don't behave that way there are limits you know you don't just go and punch people out in the street like that's not the way we act normally yeah I think she's meaning more just on the visual side of things right I agree diet culture has positive effects yes it's interesting I see only one guy coming forward I wonder what they're going to say for no but diet culture can be bad but

it can be good if good practices are being put forward. But, but I think the vast majority of diet culture is the fast, you know, fad diet, do this quick, lose weight. Now that's a majority of things that people are clicking on because they all

want it fast. And that's the most things that are being consumed. It's not the moderate approach. That is the popular approach. So, you know, the things that we talk about are not the things that most people are talking about right.

So fuck I don't know. Yeah I think yeah they're causing the it's a lot of confusion right because it's like oh I heard this guy say keto and then I heard this guy say vegan and then I heard this guy say we can do this all day long right because it can be like well no you can do keto but it's got to be keto carnivore it's like what the like hold on so i yeah um mark and i joked about this about like how there should really only be like one health the diet book and like we should get all the answers from that one book and then that's it but no as he stated it's like 80 of like the top selling books every single year are like diet books

it's like it's we're causing tons of confusion yeah well because there's areas to monetize so um they called it a vegan diet and they ate processed foods they called it a keto diet and they ate processed foods they called it a low-fat diet and they ate processed foods. They called it a low fat diet and they ate processed foods. None of them worked, but all diets will work. But when you have the inference of processed foods is where it can, it can really mess things up quite a bit. I do think that the ideas surrounding a keto diet, like a keto diet, interestingly enough, is supposed to be like high fat, low calorie. People miss that part of it. That's, that's what a ketogenic diet is. It's like high fat low calorie people miss that part of it that's that's what a ketogenic diet is it's high fat low calorie and it actually works really in an amazing

way the problem is is it's a little awkward to eat that much fat and it's actually hard to eat that much fat and eat low calorie at the same time because then you end up with like just not that much volume of food if you've ever tried to figure out your volume of food with you know vegetables and fruit and lean sources of protein you start to recognize wow i could really eat a crazy amount of like chicken and lean red meat and egg whites and things that don't have a lot of fat in them and you can get like a large amount of it and fill yourself up every day but when it comes to processed foods you just eat them you smoke right through them and there's really not might be pleasurable which is cool might be like satisfying but overall it's

not going to be all that satiating and then also it's going to be missing nutrition. I do think that diet culture overall is really helping a lot. I think that we're seeing a lot of good work from our peeps in the fitness industry. We got Mike Isretel. We got Coach Greg. We got people that are not necessarily flat out in fitness, but you got Huberman. We have Joe Rogan. We have this show we got many there's many people out there uh with really i can't forget lane norton we got people out thomas delauer man

there's people out there with a lot of great information but we just do have to be careful what information we're consuming and you have to be careful it's okay to be sold something it's okay to even purchase something it's okay to even purchase something because some of these things they could potentially help but you're going to have to do your due diligence and you have to do your research on whether it's going to be something that is going to actually help because there's a lot of weird a lot of weird things being sold to people and unfortunately the only thing that seems to work is losing weight in a slow methodical fashion over a period of time with maybe a little bit of lifting some other type of

activity and just getting your diet in check in some particular way to help you manage your calories and that is not a sexy message it's's not a fast message. It's not what most people pay attention to in the air. So it's like, fuck, maybe it's actually a negative. Yeah. So I actually, yeah. Cause it, well, actually the question was, it has some positive effects, right? So yeah, yeah, it has some positive effects, but a lot of negative effects. I think that diet culture is a reason that a lot of people struggle with weight problems in the first place. I have even struggled with my own weight issues in the past.

And I was struggling with depriving myself too much because I had a trainer. And then I started binge eating. So what is the positive you think you've seen for people from diet culture? Which I think, and I guess, what do you consider diet culture? I guess like diet culture to me

is the resources you need to get to where you want to be in your life, in your body. That's how I've always viewed diet culture. Dieting, do you mean like journaling what you're eating? Yeah, if you want to journal, if you want to, you know, talk to a therapist, if you want to work out, if you want to see a doctor, if you want to go on meds, like everyone's always-

But it's not being super, like when you diet, you're not being like, I'm completely cutting out carbs or I'm completely doing this, right? You're- Drinking lemon water only. Or- You're like watching your macros and your micros and you're calculating that. Like I guess if you're asking if I know how many calories I have to eat, yeah. I have to eat like 4,000 a day.

When most people talk about diet culture, they've done some sort of extremely restrictive thing. And when you do something really restrictive, it changes your brain chemistry and the way that you think about food. And it makes you obsessive over food and then But it sounds like the way that you're doing it is extremely healthy because you're not Depriving your body of something isn't that just goes back to like you guys are talking about the extremes of diet culture with one thing She mentioned there the obsessing over food some people do fall into that when they start tracking when they start paying attention But there is one thing you need when it comes to food and that's awareness. At some point, because when I was tracking macros

years ago, I did become a little bit obsessive, but I also gained a level of awareness. And then I stopped tracking and I understood how to eat. I understood how much I needed to eat to maintain a good weight. So at the end of the day, it's like, it's not like if you start to become a little bit obsessive, you can work your way out of that. But at least you now have an awareness of what's going in your mouth and how often it's going in your mouth. Cause like people snack all the time and they don't realize how much they're snacking. They don't realize how many calories they're eating. Um, just from these snacks and just from these sugary drinks, you have no awareness cause it's just what you do you need to bring awareness to it and then you might obsess over it a little bit but that's

better than just being on your autopilot that's continuing to help make you unhealthy i think uh somebody getting a little obsessive over over tracking or something like that i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing as long as you're not compromised as long as you don't have any like symptoms as long as you're not developing some sort of like eating disorder but if you're really being conscious and self-conscious of like i don't want to gain body fat or i want to lose body fat and you're heading in that direction i don't really think it's that if that's like a i mean if you're if you're weighing stuff on a scale and you're picking stuff off of it, I don't really think that that's a huge problem. I think it's maybe a hobby and maybe it's starting to get a hold of you in maybe an unhealthy way because maybe you can't relax about it.

I think that that could cause like anxiety and that in and of itself would be sort of an unhealthy practice. itself would be sort of an unhealthy practice but um the way i feel about like fitness and the way i feel about a lot of stuff that we do is it just it feels fun and exciting to me yeah um so i don't mind eating a certain way or eating certain things or lowering my fat calories way down here and there to try to see what result i'll get. I don't, I don't mind doing that. Like to me, it's, it's, um, it's kind of fun. Somebody else might look at it and say, Oh, well, I, you know, this is maybe like a disordered way of eating or something like that. But to me, I just, I find it to be fun. I feel like I have good energy every day. Um, and it doesn't seem to like bleed into anything else. So just because you love it and just because you obsess over it doesn't necessarily mean I think the woman Lauren she's talking about

like intuitive eating and I think in her head because this is the way that she learned to eat she's thinking that somebody can't cut out carbs and but but there are a lot of people that can there's people that could cut them out and they they're fine with it or they only eat them periodically. They eat them here and there. For some people, cutting out certain food groups or cutting out certain things can work really well. And World Carnivore Month is coming up, and I think there's a lot of people that are going to try the carnivore diet for a month. And I think it's worth a try. And again, you just have to kind of zoom out a little bit and think of it as like, well, if I try this and it seems like it kind of works, then maybe I'll

implement similar practices into my day to day. And maybe then from there you land on, hey, eating meat worked really good, but I didn't like only eating meat. What are some other things that I can kind of throw into the mix and you know what to be honest I really fucking love pizza well maybe you have a cheat day you know maybe you have a night where you eat pizza here and there so you've gotten your labs done whether it's six months ago or a year ago and you want to know where things are at but you don't want to get a full panel again that's why I part with Merrick health owned by Derek from more plates more dates and we have something called the checkup panel

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yeah did i lose weight i absolutely lost weight sure i didn't keep it off and the reason i didn't keep it off is because um diet culture is about turning the word diet from uh your your overall eating into um an activity that takes place over a period of time a diet it should not be something you do from january until may of next year diet is what you continually eat is what you continually put into yourself yeah lifestyle yeah so my issue with diet culture is this idea of like oh i've got this perfect solution for you man all you got to do is this this this and this and that and it's like no like the reality is like yeah there are good correct and objective ways i think for a lot of people to eat and yes everybody has to have some variations here and there there's no one

bag fix all and diet culture is so much about trying to say like all you got to do is just eat cheese puffs every day for the rest of your life and it's easy yeah yeah and so i just i that's why i think diet culture doesn't help the thing thing he said about the lifestyle thing, it's something that, you know, over, over the years, if you're trying to get healthier, the thing that you do when you start that first step you take will not be the diet that you're on for the rest of your life. It won't be the way that you eat for the rest of your life because you're taking a step, a step in a potentially positive direction. That step might look like you tried the carnivore diet.

And you found out, I don't like to only eat meat. So then maybe you add some fruits in and you add some carbs in. OK, now you're eating more protein and some carbohydrates. And then at some point, you're like, you know what? Maybe I want to try this keto thing. So you try that, but you realize, OK, that's not for you. And then you switch to something else. But you're constantly working on getting to a healthier diet or food way of eating for you. You're switching

from one plan to another, but now switching from a plan to no plan. Exactly. And that's, that's the thing. Cause the way we eat right now is very different from years ago. But the thing is, is we've always maintained our shape. We've never ballooned up or ballooned it like that. That doesn't happen with us because we're just constantly just trying to be healthy and if when you take a step doing that you're not gonna just fall off the wagon and start going into crazy and healthy habits right it's not just a 12-week challenge it's not a year challenge it's a lifestyle change the skinnier guy he mentioned maybe when you go on a diet maybe the goal right away

shouldn't be always to lose weight and I think that's I think people would be like well why am I on a diet you know we're not going through this trouble for but sometimes it just it takes a little getting used to that style of eating and if you we've talked about this a million times before but if you have that if you get your lifestyle habits down you get the habit down of sleeping you have a little bit more activity you start to pull out like forget about uh forget about all these other things that you have to do you just start to pull out um some calories from drinks that you have you start to eat a little more protein you don't need to be

super precise with your diet over a period of time you're going to start to get on track you're going to start to lose a little bit of weight but in the beginning you got to be patient and i don't need to be super precise with your diet. Over a period of time, you're going to start to get on track. You're going to start to lose a little bit of weight. But in the beginning, you got to be patient. And I don't think the main goal off the bat every time should be to lose weight, especially because those hunger signals are going to be there. You're going to be pretty hungry. And it's not even going to be real hunger. It's going to be more like a fake hunger. But you're not going to be hungry for the foods that are on the plan that's kind of part that's part of the trick but if you

have access to meat and fruit vegetables and some dairy those are all good enough options to get you by every single day with maybe a legendary tasty pastry here or there or a protein shake here and there to add some sweetness to your diet. But you should be able to maintain that for a long time because there's a lot of good fucking food in there. Dude, your palate changes. That's one thing that I think – like if you've been eating a lot of processed food, you've been eating highly palatable food from fast food and fucking Doritos and shit, and then you start trying to eat whole foods, you're not going to be seeking out that fucking potato and those chicken.

You're not going to be seeking that out initially because you're used to Doritos all the time and Oreos and these foods that were made for you to eat a fuck ton of them. They're so good. A potato has so much taste if you're on a bodybuilding diet, right? And you put some salt on it, you're like, oh my God, it's so good. right yeah and you put some salt on it you're like oh my god but if you give your time like if you give it time for your palate to change then you'll actually start to be like damn this fucking uh that that greek yogurt's fucking good greek yogurt and honey good like these things

become good but you got to give yourself time away from these foods that are meant for you to be addicted to them they are made so you can overeat them. That's why you just got to give it time, dog. I hear diet and I think of something that's positive. And it's been positive to me and you know it's something I'm always trying to achieve. I guess like if we were to redo this, the same exact question, I may hesitate and not walk across the line. I guess I'll never know but hearing these perspectives were really good because I probably didn't know as much about the extremes. Yeah, this whole thing was great. But on that last question, I think one interesting thing is my knee-jerk reaction was like, oh yeah,

diet culture is positive. But then you do think about what really, what most people see as far as diet culture, what's popular, and that shit's just making money. Like that shit's 12 week challenges. That shit's detox teas. It's fucking, you know, processed foods for specific type of diets. It's not, it's not the lifestyle stuff. You know what I mean? It's hard to, uh, you know, it's hard to have a message and have it be like, I guess, uh, understood in the way that you're trying to share it.

Yeah. Like a lot of times the message gets changed. understood in the way that you're trying to share it yeah like a lot of times the message gets changed um you know i might say something on the show i might talk about how i don't eat a lot of carbs and then somebody might be like mark doesn't eat any carbs i'm not going to eat any carbs but then they don't hear me talk about like maybe they missed other episodes where i talk about eating fruit or even when i've been on ketogenic diets i would have a day where i would eat more carbohydrates and stuff to give my body some glycogen and so forth so sometimes people take or even when I've been on ketogenic diets, I would have a day where I would eat more carbohydrates and stuff to give my body some glycogen and so forth. So sometimes people take some of the ideas

like they might take from Huberman or Ben Patrick, some of these people, and they might take these ideas and concepts and really overdo them all the way to the point where we've seen some people, people have sent us like videos where people have gotten um uh i think i saw somebody you know get get go into shock uh by doing cold therapy there's all kinds of like stuff that you take this recommendation that was well-meaning and uh maybe you took it too far for you for where you're at at this time somebody talked about you know hill sprints or something and you're like oh fucking cool hill sprints and how they can be good for like bigger people you go out there and you do a hill you do you know a set of you do 10 sets of hill sprints by hamstring and you haven't

yeah you haven't sprinted in a long time you could get injured um you could just have a lot of shortness of breath and you could end up in a real compromised position really quickly so with the diet stuff i think there is a lot of great information flowing around there but there is a lot of money to be made as well so you have to kind of be cautious on uh the information that you get and but for the most part i think there's a lot of well-meaning people out there sharing a lot of great information yeah and. And we're like the, you know, fasting's one of those things. We utilize fasting. Like today, I mean, I haven't eaten yet. I went to jujitsu, but the thing is that's not an everyday thing. I just wasn't extremely hungry this morning.

I had work I had to do. I'm going to eat a lot tonight. When we talked about fasting, it's not something we do every single day. There are days that we'll eat through the day, you know, but we'll eat our meals through the day. But it's like when somebody hears fasting, they automatically think that's a fast for 16 to 20 hours every single day. It doesn't matter how I feel, fucking go through it. Context, you know, like you can utilize all of these methods in a healthy way to get towards your end goal. It just takes learning. It takes

practice. It takes you actually putting these things into practice and adjusting as you learn. There's a lot of learning. That's one thing, man. Learning how to eat is a lot of learning, especially if you didn't have people to teach that to you. And you got to put that work in. There's a lot of people who got no idea where to even start. Yeah. A lot of people aren't like cooking their own meals. They're not really sure how to shop. All right. Hope you guys dug that. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye. Hi there. I know you guys liked this video, so check this one out.