Mark Bell's Power Project - Kettlebell Juggling & Exercise Habits That Keep The Body YOUNG - Colin Daring || MBPP Ep. 985

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

In episode 985, Colin Daring, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk about how juggling kettlebells, moving maces and having fun in the gym has given Colin the ability to gain and maintain muscle, be pain free and move like an athlete half his age. Eleiko Kettlebells mentioned on air: https://bit.ly/3EN1gAr Follow Colin on IG: https://www.instagram.com/daring101/   Official Power Project Website: https://powerproject.live Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw   Special perks for our listeners below! ➢ https://Peluva.com/PowerProject Code POWERPROJECT15 to save 15% off Peluva Shoes!   ➢https://drinkag1.com/powerproject Receive a year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 & 5 Travel Packs!   ➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!   ➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!   ➢ https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off Mind Bullet!   ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save up to 25% off your Build a Box   ➢ Better Fed Beef: https://betterfedbeef.com/pages/powerproject   ➢ https://hostagetape.com/powerproject to receive a year supply of Hostage Tape and Nose Strips for less than $1 a night!   ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!   ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM   ➢ https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject to save 15% off Vivo Barefoot shoes!   ➢ https://vuori.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori!   ➢ https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep!   ➢ https://marekhealth.com/PowerProject to receive 10% off our Panel, Check Up Panel or any custom panel!   ➢ Piedmontese Beef: https://www.CPBeef.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150   Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://www.PowerProject.live ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject   FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell   Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en   Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz   #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject

Like if you're in the gym and you're trying to lift weights, you get taught a very specific way. People say, don't do this, don't do that. But you get to kind of break some of those rules when you're playing catch with some of these objects. I think every rule is broken. Before the kettlebells and the mace, I felt like crackly. And ever since using kettlebells and the mace bars, I haven't had a shoulder injury. You can't think about the movement as you're doing it because you'll miss the bell. Looking the way you do, you don't have the body of a 53-year-old, man.

What is a 53-year-old supposed to look like? It doesn't look like you're lacking any muscle. And so people see you and they freak out. But maybe that's how we should all look at 53. Depending on how fast you're getting that movement, you're going to have to drill it. An hour of flipping 25 pounds adds up. But you're not thinking about it because you're trying to figure out the process it was weird because my uh i woke up and went to look at my phone this morning it was like this

wait really it was a long day i don't remember i don't remember this yeah there's a picture i've been seeing on this is like ig thing or something i don't know it's just saved on your phone now? Yeah, exactly. I feel so good about that. That's why I had to protect my phone the other day when my wife came to take it. What is this?

I don't know what I'm checking out. How did all this stuff start for you, Colin? Tossing around these kettlebells like a madman. Wow. How did that start? I think originally was seeing an old Russian kettlebell. Well, it wasn't even a kettlebell. It was like an old Russian circus. And it was a circus act.

And they had the strong man, and he had like a big metal sphere that he was throwing up, and he was catching it on the back of his neck and he would shoot it up again and he'd catch it and then he would give it to the guy in the crowd and it would be like, damn, that's a heavy ball. So then he went and it was like a strength thing. He had a big kettlebell. He would put two of them together and press it and then he would take the one and flip it.

And that was my first introduction to like seeing somebody flip a kettlebell. And then just going down the rabbit hole I would say looking to see what else was out there. The Russians what they call was classic kettlebell juggling and they were doing flips and things with the

kettlebell. But it was pretty basic just how many rotations that you can get the handle to spin and catch it in a clean fashion. I like that. And then I was like, let me try it. And I could only get it like once or twice. Stuff like this?

Yes. That's it right there. So I thought that was, you know, I thought that was interesting. Yeah. So I was like, let me try it our strength coach buddy uh cory slessinger uh-huh uh was throwing back and forth i think with uh one of his friends they were throwing back back and forth like a hundred pound kettlebell and that's kind of the first time i mean i i've seen people flip them before but i didn't really know that people were practicing it and doing it like in training sessions yeah um super interesting you know what it is it's not um i won't say it's training sessions per se it's really just um it's like a fun pastime

that in the interim you are going to get a workout out of but it's more so the mental aspect. Almost like a game. Yes. A little bit like a game. Almost like a game. And you get to kind of figure out a puzzle as you start to move. Oh, I think this is the one right there. You start to move the weight around. You kind of figure out, how can I do this even better?

Or how can I make it? For me, it was always, how can I do this even better? Or how could I make it, for me it was always, how could I make it a little bit more difficult? And that just increased over the years, and I started to create different flows, I would say, with the kettlebell. There's another style that's in Asia. It was lock juggling. It's like the stone block. The stone block is called a lock, lock juggling. Um, it was stone block. The stone block is,

uh, it's called a lock. The lock was, um, I don't know how these guys was coming up with these things, but in researching a lot, the lock was basically how they, um,

damned the water from going into the rice field. So they would slide the lock back and forth in the dams. So I guess somebody at some point was like, let me work out with these things. And the same thing with a kettlebell, original kettlebell was almost like a balancing weight on how they sold grain at the market. It would counterbalance the weight for sales. So I guess they was using that.

Oh, yeah, that's the guy right there. So the locks and the kettlebells kind of work together. But the way that the Asians were juggling the locks was different from how the Russians were juggling. So they had more flair. They had more flair to it. Yes. You know, what's interesting is like if you're to think about this from like a – like if you're in the gym and you're trying to lift weights, it's kind of hard to do anything comparable like i'm trying to think if you were to use a cable like you get taught a very specific way yes when you

lift weights and then people say don't do this don't do that uh but you get to kind of break some of those rules when you're playing catch with some of these i think um every rule is broken. And that might be upsetting to a lot of people too. Because they're like, you're not supposed to do that. Like, you know, and it's like, why are you doing that? Oh, you look crazy doing that. And you're just like, people have been doing this for centuries. It looks new to you because it's your first time seeing it. Because it's not in our

makeup of the way that we've been taught about how to train talking about how to train we're always taught you need the three bench, squat deadlift so that's been ingrained even in myself growing up that's all I knew and

man I've been training forever and I just kind of got bored with that. It's like I'm doing the same thing day in, day out. Okay, I got strong. All right, I'm going to slim down. All right, I'm going to get that big. I was like, what else is there for me to explore? And then through traveling and seeing other people, like you ever see those shows where the guy's like going around the world doing odd things? Like Anthony Bourdain?

Well, that's the foodie guy. I love that. But it's not even Anthony Bourdain. It was, like, an ex-football player, and he would go to another country and— Like Ben Pans and stuff, that sort of thing? Where, like, he'd do, like, feats of, like, strength or whatever? Man, it's like— Just participate in different stuff.

Participate in different sports, different games, things like that. And it was like, there's a whole... What we're doing, the big three, is just a drop in the ocean of how people train. So even like in Scotland, the guy who just got on the kilt, he's flipping a log. And it's like, we're not doing that over here, but that's their way of training.

The Indian people with the... With the stone, with the clubs. Yeah, that was interesting for me too. And even back to India, they would lift the stones. But the way that they did it was, you got to really squat down and shoot up. And they would jam their elbow into their groin area and catch the stone in one hand and then put the other hand on top. And that's how they were lifted.

What was that called? Just type in like Indian stone lifting. Indian stone lifting, yeah. It's crazy. So it started to intrigue me on how else can I train? What else is interesting? on how else can I train? How else, what else is interesting?

Put me on to the, like the mace bar and then circling back to juggling between the kettlebell juggling and the lock juggling, I kind of just melded the two together and then added my own style. I used to dance. I have like a little dancing background and it felt good to just kind of move the weight

around me and put it in places where you really can't see it but i need to feel where it's going to be and that um just that feeling really captured me to want to just continue doing it regardless of what anybody else is saying you still do some normal shit here and there oh you know what's crazy is a cable crossover i haven't been in a regular gym consistently i want to say in about two or three years so i missed the machines because you know that was my my my base yeah um but 95 of my training is still the regular stuff, man. I still bench, still deadlift, I'm still squatting. I'm just not posting it. Yeah.

But 95% of my training is that. But I also, my approach to training has changed so much. I'm always doing something that's free form. I'm always using the kettlebell now too. It feels, it just feels right. Before the kettlebells and the mace, I felt like crackly. Yeah, like I would raise my arm and it's like, you know, my knees. I saw yesterday that like there was a point you couldn't get your arm.

Yeah, I had, I was consistently dislocating my left shoulder at least four times. So it was always like dislocation, work back to getting the strength, dislocated, work back to getting the strength. So I was like something's not – I'm not doing something right if that's consistently happening, which led me to the mace because it got my arm back in places that I wasn't that it wasn't going because of is just that range of motion wasn't being hit. And ever since using kettlebells and the mace bars, I haven't had a shoulder injury. It's been years. What do you think? So great about the mace? What did it do for you and your shoulder that a lot of that stuff went away?

It was making me use my rotator cuff in a way that I wasn't using it before. the difference in some of the muscles that were being, you know, being awoken, that were just dead, probably that I wasn't even using before, just because of the way it came all the way around my head. And it really put my elbow really back and up as it pulls on, oh, yeah, that's it right there. Your arms are getting forced in a position, but kind of gently, especially when you're just starting and you're starting with something light and you don't have great range of motion. Right. And then it's working the entire body the way that it's meant to be worked.

So if you – when people have a shoulder injury, let's say their right shoulder is really bothering them, a lot of times they'll be tight through the stomach and tight through the hips. As they go to push their arm up in the air, they can't do it very well because this whole side is shut down. And what you were doing there where you were maneuvering that metal object around the back of your head. Yes. Your both elbows are going up. Exactly. And you're getting a lot of extension. What you don't see is that it takes a lot of core balance to move the weight behind you also.

And this is what I explain to people too. It's not just swinging the bar around. You have to be stable within your body or else the bar is going to pull you in a direction that you don't want it to go. It's very smooth the way you do it. Very smooth. It almost feels therapeutic. It feels like you're getting a massage when the weight is going around. It feels really good.

But that is really, I want to say, what put my shoulder back in place. And I haven't had any issues since. Yeah. So I always tell people, like, try it with a lighter weight, 10 pounds. Because of the way the weight is distributed, it's really away from the bar. The 10 pounds is going to feel a lot heavier than you think it will. For us, as soon as you say,

10 pounds is like, that's nothing. They go right to a 20-pounder, what's the yank your shoulder right out? Because you need to understand the way the weight is moving. It feels really good. That is something I always recommend to somebody also. If you have any, like, really bad shoulder pain, like the mace is really good.

And I've been training some guys that, man, they have, like, frozen shoulder. They've been benching forever. And they can't go, you know, they're stuck. And we haven't even been able to get to m makes because they can't even get their elbow to go back up because their shoulder's such in that rigid spot you know when the guys are benching all the time they're just they're just stuck like this yes it's um it's nice to see them progress to be able to get their head their arm up and back around and move their shoulder in a nice position what's your suggestion to people because like many people in our audience have been pallet

for a long time so they might find that when they get there they feel kind of uncomfortable so what's your suggestion for what they should do before getting to the mace oh man i would say a lot more stretching even if you get the band and hook it on to uh you know a pull-up bar just kind of pull into that stretch around um try to relax try to relax also what i found is that the shoulder is kind of attached to the scapula also so put put your arm in like the nape of your shoulder in here and then try to pull and stretch through that position also to kind of free that up because this right here is going to be this in a little while so you want to start low and then start working your way up and also even if you just put your elbow on the

wall and trying to rotate back and forth and get that movement again but a lot of people um they stretch but it's just not getting into that spot where your your arm shoulders working it's almost like you need some decompression and i think that's a lot of what you're doing when you throw the kettlebell even even without the flip necessarily if just throw the kettlebell out and you catch it um it's gonna you were mentioning like how you would uh like pull your shoulder on the socket yeah you know it's it's kind of doing a version of that but it's like a decompression when you learn how to catch it properly. I want to say it's more like a traction. There you go. Yeah.

That's a great word for it, yeah. What I notice too is when I'm teaching somebody how to juggle or flip the bell, they keep their arm like this. And I'm saying free your elbow up so that it can really pull into the joint the way it needs to pull. So that the swing, so if I want to get the bell to the outside, I'm going to push to the opposite side because where you start helps your finish. So I'm going to release that elbow and let the weight pull because you want to put the weight in a place to do the work for you because you don't want to muscle the weight. You just want

to guide the weight. So as you push it this way, the gravity is going to take place, and it pulls the weight away from you. There's a little pull, and you're controlling the pull through your arm, through your shoulder, and then through your grip, and then you just release it. And that release, just for that short moment of time to re-catch it again, it just feels right, man. It feels really good.

That's one of the things about it. It's like after you get done doing some of it, especially if you've allowed your body to like reach and relax, you feel like you got to work at it, but you also feel decompressed. You feel like loose. Your body feels long. That's why like after I started doing it, and I don't know if I mentioned this to you, but I after i started doing it um and you know i don't know if

i mentioned this to you but there's i first saw you doing it like last year maybe a year year and a half ago i put on my store i was like i want to do this i never did it right and then jared came and then he showed me just like the first flip and i was like i started doing it every day and after i started doing it bro it's like my body just everything started feeling better and better it's not like i felt like shit right but it it just loosened everything up even more and it's like my body just everything started feeling better and better it's not like i felt like shit right but it it just loosened everything up even more and it's like i have more freedom right movement now because of it and there's a lot of twists and turns um to get the bell in the right place that you needed to go that also happens also um the other part of feeling outside of your body is, is I always say there's a mental piece of man. It's almost like a relaxation because in the moment of moving the weight,

also everything kind of disappears. And it might even just be for a split second, five seconds. But when you're really in tune and you're moving, it's like, you don't see anything else in the room. You're just kind of in space until you miss the handle. And then everything snaps back to reality.

And then you're looking for where the bell's going to fall so you don't get hit. But in that moment in time, man, it's like there's such a connection to yourself and body that I don't know what else could describe it. Yeah. But you really get lost in where the movement is because if you're looking at that right now, I'm already three steps ahead of the movement that's happening right now because you can't think about the movement as you're doing it because you'll miss the bell. It's already just happening and you're already three steps ahead of the movement as it's happening. If you have knee pain or lower back pain, the initial thought is that it's probably coming

from the knee or the lower back. But have you ever thought that it could actually be coming from your feet? Most people wear shoes like this. They are narrow. They are not flat. They are inflexible. So it's almost like your feet are stuck in casts all day long. And if you imagine that your hand was stuck in a cast all day, well, your fingers are going to become weak.

But then your elbows might start feeling a little bit wonky because your fingers don't move. And then it might travel up your shoulder. That's the same thing that happens with your feet when you put them in normal and flexible shoes. That's why you want to throw those out and start using some Vivo barefoot shoes. They have shoes for hiking on their website, working out in the gym. They have casual shoes like these Novuses right here. But the difference with Vivo is that they have a wide toe box so that your feet, like my wide-ass feet, can spread and move within the shoe.

They're flat so that your feet are doing the work when you're walking, and they are flexible so your feet have the freedom to move the way they need to move so that they can be strong feet. That's why you want to get yourself some of these. And, Andrew, how can they get it? Yes, that's over at vivobarefoot.com slash powerproject. When you guys get there, you'll see a code across the top. Make sure you enter that code at checkout for 15% off your entire order.

Again, that's at vivo barefoot.com slash power project. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Guys, look at this. Look at that. I could stick that in my mouth. Do it.

I'm not going to do this. It's disgusting. No. Get him. How do you, I guess, like encourage other people to do this? Like when you are not able to work with them like actually in person do you just tell somebody hey man you know pick up kind

of a light kettlebell and just see if you can just twirl it around for a minute and just kind of play with it nah the first thing I always say is know your basics because um it's so interesting to watch that you want to just go out and start flipping the bell um but the first thing you want to do is know the bell itself and how to put it in a clean um how to snatch how to press um and how to swing because what i see is a lot of people that don't know how to swing a bell, the first thing you want to do is they're muscling their way through the whole process. That's where you're going to get hurt. Because it's not about the strength of how you move the bell,

it's awareness of the bell and how you're moving your body. Because everything is still generated out of the hip swing. When you look at it, though, it just looks like you're pulling it with your arm. hip swing. When you look at it though, it just looks like you're pulling it with your arm. And the lighter you go, you fool yourself into doing the work where you take your body, the rest of your body out of the movement. So I always say, before you even get into flips, know your root basics. You got to know how to swing the bell. You got to know where the weight is being generated from, which is from the hip swing, the hip drive, the hinge, how to put it in clean, because after you catch it, there's a hand insertion that needs to take place. If you don't know how to

insert your hand into the window of the handle, it just looks janky and it doesn't feel right. And you'll see somebody that you can tell a difference if somebody knows how to use a kettlebell or not because when they put it in clean, the clean is here. This is the rack position. But they'll throw it back here in the shoulder. And then that is not how to use a kettlebell. So I always say start with the basics first, just even knowing how to swing because the swing,

even the swing itself, there's a sport style of kettlebell swing and there's a hard style. The hard style swing won't mesh well with the juggle. It has to be a sport, smooth swing through the hinge that makes the bell actually vertically elevate instead of shooting away from you because you want the bell relatively close within that arm's distance, slightly bent so that as it's turning, you have time to catch the bell and decelerate. So there's a, you know, acceleration with the inertia that you put through your hip to put it in space. And then there's the deceleration that you want to catch and decelerate the bell back through your hip again. So, yeah, that's where you would start, learning the basics. And then once you learn the basics of a sport-style snatch

because you want the weight to be kind of vertical and take time to get up, then you can start just releasing the handle and catching it. That's where I would start. Just simply take your hand off the handle watch where the weight where the where the handle is because you want it to be released flat um and once you're comfortable with that and also comfortable with just letting the bell go you want to release it don't catch it and see where the bell is falling so you can start to track how am I going to get out of the way

when the ball when the bell falls because i've i've um i remember teaching somebody and the bell fell and um he just didn't move he just watched it and it just rolled back to him and i'm like why didn't you get out of the way like what are you doing and um couldn't like predict that it was going to swing back and hit him right and that that that is the uh the sport oh i like this guy he's good he's up in canada yeah it looks to me like there's no uh like jerking motions it's right it's pretty smooth right through the hip and then see how exactly what he's doing you want to get the bell into a place where the hip is driving and the bell is floating straight up. Andrew, I'm not sure

if you're going to be able to find this, but see if you can bring up, I think it's Barbell Shrugged or Atlas Shrugged. He showed a movement the other day and he was referencing how this guy just said this movement doesn't work because of the way that your back is positioned. Squat University. Right. Is that what it was?

The Zurcher doesn't work. I think it was. Yeah. Maybe it was a Zurcher. Maybe it was. Shit. What's that other one where you. Jefferson curl.

That's what it was. It was a Jefferson curl. And the person demonstrating like they couldn't really open up their spine. They couldn't really round their spine. And so he was basically kind of describing the fact that the guy wasn't able to even execute the exercise the right way. And he's like, that's why this exercise is like not working well because you're not able to really execute it the right way. So I think it's kind of important to show along with what we're talking about because if we can find it. I'll find it.

Yeah, he'll find it at some point. But you found that your back you know like doing squat bench deadlift yeah or squats and deadlifts our body you know you you're trying to get your body to be rigid yes and to stay in one position yes and if you think about it the spine even though like we're we call it a hip hinge but the spine doesn't really move at all there's not much movement going on in the deadlift or squat at least there's there kind of really shouldn't be most of the time if you're trying to work with maximal loads and trying to get the most amount of weight but in a lot of what you do and a lot of what i've seen other people starting to do and starting to catch on to is like i want more movement in my spine and if you start to do so with less weight and it's not 400 pounds,

a 70-kilo kettlebell or something like that could be – or, sorry, 40-kilo kettlebell could be heavy. But in comparison to the 400 pounds someone has loaded on their back, it's a totally different movement. It's a total different movement in a way that with the compound movement, you're locking everything up and putting stress on everything at the same time and then moving.

With the kettlebell, everything isn't being locked at the same time. There's different fluidity through your body as the weight is being transferred as you go up. And then at the top, there's a lock. I find that more pleasing on the body

than a straight, I'm just, you know, and holding my breath to the point of where I want to pass out getting dizzy. I'm seeing little bubbles. I like the fluidity of the kettlebell, even with like a heavier weight because there's an explosion of power that needs to take place. And you're still getting that through the hip. And it is some fixation of the

lower back, but it's driving through the earth. Similar to like a punch. The punch isn't starting up top, it's starting through the ground and through all the way up to your body. So you want to fight a boxer. Have you boxed before? Very, very, he's got a reach over there. He's going to knock me out.

Very briefly. But I grew up like, you know, just fighting in the street, man, from Brooklyn, New York. And it's,

it's, it's like, um, you learn how to street box, you know, but that's part of just growing up in New York, I would say. My brother would always say, man, there's two people, man. You're either a weasel or a weasel slapper.

And you got to be, what are you going to be? So I'm like, I'm going to be the weasel slapper. So, yeah, that feeling of knowing that you got to generate the power through your body is the same thing that you're going to get through the swing you know that it's coming from the ground up and then snatching the weight up and we found the video but one thing too that like you'll see when people watch you do it and jared is like over time you get better at like in a squat everything has to be locked in every part of the body has to be doing one thing yeah but when you start doing stuff with the kettlebell you learn how to disassociate certain parts of the body from other parts of the body so like this can be loose while certain parts of your body are kind of keeping

everything in place um just watching you do that um you're seeing a swing like the right hand will be doing the work and the left hand is almost like a whip right so that hand is also helping even though it's not it's not actually engaged in the swing there's there's parts that that are tight and there's parts that's going to be loose so when you're swinging a heavy bell that other hand is the counterbalance to that weight and you're whipping that hand back it's a lot like sport right yeah you know if you're gonna do a spin or something like that you drive the elbow back so your body will kind of whip around yes you're throwing a ball i don't think we think about you know we only think about being right

handed but if if you are right handed you forget about what the left is doing as you're going to throw and sometimes even with a punch so it's like if you load if you load the left with a jab and you throw a straight right afterwards you kind of loaded the hips exactly yeah that's pretty neat yeah let's uh see if we can play this bit the hips exactly yeah that's pretty neat yeah let's see if we can play this bit fear of the jefferson girl except that the guy in the video isn't doing it remotely right here i'm going to throw up a video so you can compare patrick had back pain for a long time that multiple physical therapists and doctors couldn't fix some suggested strength so what it looks like is happening here is that

patrick's just rushing through the movement he rounds his upper spine a little bit but then just dumps into a hip hinge and makes no attempt to around the middle portion or lower portion of his spine and that part stays mostly straight it's possible that he really is that limited but you don't really even see him try and given that he doesn't even have a platform to give him clearance to get a full stretch at the bottom it just looks like he hasn't been properly coached in this movement now you might think that squat you would fix that and tell him how to actually do the movement right but instead he looked up some study about a dead pig the romanian deadlift looks barely any different i mean the range of motion is almost exactly the same here in conclusion squat you post spine so here we have a bit that's funny that's just interesting

you know those are conventional ways of lifting that we've uh all heard of and all been taught right keeps us like rigid spine and maybe those are maybe that is a great practice when you're trying a heavy one rep lift the most amount of weight possible or even like a three rep max but maybe we should look into moving in some other ways, especially with lighter weights. I was always taught growing up too, man, if I'm dead left, then put a belt on. And as I progressed and learned more, somebody was like, yo, take the belt off. Like, fix your stomach, man. Your stomach is naturally your belt.

Fix your stomach, man. Your stomach is naturally your belt. And I took the belt off and, man, it was a total different experience. And I was just like, I was really needing a belt, needing a belt. But it was just because I was taught that. And then now I don't even use a belt unless I'm going like over 500 pounds. And I don't even remember the last time i lifted that much just because my mindset isn't there to go that heavy anymore uh i just like feeling good i don't want to be washed up the next day because i'm always so active and i don't want a long recovery

time like so so that's like maybe 400 yeah four or. And man, I won't use a belt now until I'm about at 500 pounds. And that's just, you know, safety first. Now, this podcast probably has you super interested in starting some kettlebell flipping or juggling. And before you pull the trigger on a competition kettlebell, because I've tried a few, I want to tell you to go and get your hands on Aleko Bells. I want to tell you to go and get your hands on Aleko bells. Now, hearing the word Aleko, they make extremely high quality overall equipment, but their competition bells are literally a dream to flip and juggle. I've used a few others when I started, and these are by far just the butteriest to put in your hands.

They go all the way from 8 kilos to 32 kilograms, but I would suggest starting yourself off with an 8 or 12 kilogram bell and then work your way up. link is in the description if you want to get your hands on these bells enjoy the podcast but my god it'd be like 53 years old moving this smooth you know what i mean and looking the way you do you don't have the body of a 53 year old man but it's insane and i hear that and i'm just like, what is a 53-year-old supposed to look like? Like I think that just in our society, we've accepted the fact that you get old and you get sick. And that is not how it's supposed to be, man. You just age well and take care of yourself and still move. And you just age well and take care of yourself and still move um and you just you live you live you know longevity but but to have the mindset that i'm hitting 50 i'm supposed to be on diabetic

pills heart pills and it's okay that's not that's not a good a good mindset So I hear it and I just – and I have friends that are – they're diabetic. They're on some sort of heart pill. And it goes back to diet too. Like they're eating trash because the mindset is this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm at this age. It's expected. And I'm like, no. No, you don't have to live like that.

You've been taking care of your physical health for. Yes. Since the beginning. Man, it was it. I think it just it wasn't planned just through life, just eating right and being conscious and also being in the gym and, and, and figuring out what I need to eat. I was, I was big on like, uh,

man, big on like, Oh, you need to, you know, protein this and that. And then, and then, um,

just from experimenting on my own body, I would cycle off of certain things. Um, like for me, I had stopped eating, um, pork first. And that was just from having some Muslim friends that were like, oh, we don't eat pork.

So I was like, you don't eat bacon? Like, what's bacon and bacon, egg and cheese? I'm like, are you crazy? I remember my favorite sandwich was like a bacon and tomato on toast. And I would just eat that all the time. And my friend was like, yeah, don't eat pork. And I was just like, all right, I'm going to stop eating pork. my friend was like,

yeah, don't eat pork. And I was just like, all right, I'm going to stop eating pork. And then that was like my first experiment of not eating a certain type of, um, food or meat. These guys don't understand a bacon,

egg and cheese on a hard roll. Oh, they don't have it out here for some reason. It's weird. No, no, I've never had it. No,

I've never been to the East coast. Oh, there we go. Yeah. It's so good. Damn. What's a hard roll? I know.

Doesn't sound pleasant I know oh man alright so okay alright okay when you go home make yourself a bacon egg and cheese alright I will

alright and I swear because I don't eat bacon and I'm telling you do it for him just have a bacon egg and cheese even on a bagel man but the bagels are different in New York

it's hard to describe yeah I hate when I leave New York I don't buy bagels because you look at them, you're like, what the hell is this? Yeah, so bacon, egg, and cheese on a nice roll.

Yeah, do that for yourself. Yeah, you got to have one. So back to 90. You got rid of some of the protein and all that, yeah, for a little bit. Man, my protein intake right now is super low. For a lot of people, it's odd because I haven't had red meat in maybe 30 years. Damn. That's a hard one.

Oh, yeah. That's right. That is like the New York breakfast right there. Language of love right yeah 30 years no red meat 30 years no red meat so um when people ask me about my diet it's kind of hard for me to say this is what I do because it's just it's not calculated in the American diet you know everybody wants a steak everybody wants a protein and that is just what we've been taught where your protein source is through meat um that being said my diet is mostly uh grains and nuts fruits i do eat fish now i do have some

chicken now but that is um far and few between yeah why'd you bring the chicken and fish back oh just because my daughter was getting older she wanted to uh she wanted bring the chicken and fish back? Oh, just because my daughter was getting older. She wanted to have chicken. I was just like, all right, let's start having some chicken. Yeah. Yeah, so we start cooking chicken in the house just for her to eat. Did you do this based off of previous health concerns or was it more experimentation to see? It was a lot more, I want to say, through experimentation

just to see what I needed a lot more, I want to say, through experimentation, just to see what I needed, what I felt like. Fasting was another thing that was interesting for me. I would cycle on and off of different things to see how I felt. Like I would do pre-workout and starting to feel like it was, I think it was one day where I didn't have any pre-workout. So I worked out and I just felt weak and sluggish. And I was just like, damn, I'm addicted to this stuff.

You know, I can't, cause mentally I kept saying, I need the pre-workout, I need the pre-workout. And then that's what made me say, you know what? Let's not do the pre-workout. Let's cycle off of it for a month and see how you feel. And the first couple of weeks, I was terrible. I felt weak, non-motivated. And then it kind of just got out of my system and I was back in, back in tune. And that was interesting for me just for self-experimentation. And I went maybe two months without it and then went back on it and felt strong and powerful.

I was like, damn, this shit works. But then that feeling of wanting it again made me say, let me cycle back off. And I was doing that for maybe a year, one month on, one month off. And then I started doing that with the protein to see how I felt one month on, one month off. And then eventually I just cycled off of everything and I've just been natural and i've just been feeling good any idea what your protein levels are approximately you think it's like half your body weight in grams of protein or something i'm way less yeah i want to say daily maybe 50 grams, 60 grams of protein on a good day. Yeah, what does a day of eating look like for you then?

Man, day of eating for Colin. Yeah. I wake up. I put the pot on the stove. I make oatmeal. I use steel cut oatmeal. And then I meditate. So while I'm meditating, the oatmeal is cooking.

When that's done, I get a banana, cranberries, walnuts or pumpkin seeds. And that's my breakfast. I would work out and I won't eat again until maybe two. And that would be a green drink or like like an acai bowl that's how he's good yeah right and then so then that's more fruit um maybe about six or seven i would do i like uh wild rice brown rice plantains i'm west indian so i yeah i love plantains right plantains um avocado and uh spinach like i cooked spinach and some black beans and then um what's about it and i would drink water and tea throughout the day i'm like i'm big on tea so i would drink a lot of tea

lately i've been drinking coffee um and that's and I have like cashews, walnuts, seeds that I snack on throughout the day. And that is my meal 90% of the time. That's what I'm eating all day. It doesn't look like you're lacking any muscle. No. So you got plenty of that going on. Yeah. So, man, I get the protein out of the leafy greens and the seeds and the nuts and beans.

And, yeah, that's it and then in some days I'm I'm I don't know if it's intermittent fasting or just fasting in general where I'm not I feel if I don't feel like I need to eat then I won't eat and then it's gotten to the point where I'm telling myself to eat just on the base of you didn't eat all day you you should eat something because you're on you know your stomach's empty um so that spend more time telling myself to eat than than not to eat yeah now colin you've been eating this way for a while yeah there's there's two parts to this the first thing i want to know is there was there ever a time that you felt like you were food dependent meaning that you felt like you had to eat a lot of food? Absolutely. There was a time where, man, I wanted to get big, you know? Oh man. I was walking around,

no lie, I was in the military at the time and I would go to the mess hall and I would walk around with food in my pocket um tuna fish sandwiches you know a bowl of uh mixed vegetables and I would just be eating all day long and I was like my mindset was I'm gonna get big I'm gonna get strong and I would eat all day even when I was already full I'm still stuffing a potato down my face. And it was just constant eating, eating, eating, eating, and then I could not put on the amount of weight that I wanted to, no matter how heavy I lifted. Yeah, it just wasn't happening, man.

But I was struggling, and I was always eating. I was definitely food dependent. And it was all mental at the time because I was looking good. Everybody was like, yo, you look amazing. You should be like on stage somewhere. But me looking at myself was like, I'm not big enough. Ah, dysmorphia. Yeah, yeah.

I'm not strong enough, you know? So I was always just eating man and yeah i was definitely at one point um food dependent yeah what so what have what habit do you think helped you with that was it like picking up a bit of fasting because i know for me it was a little bit of fasting helped me realize i don't need to eat all the time to perform well i think it think it was the opposite. It was me just saying, coming to reality that I can't get that big. Yeah.

Because it was either that or some steroids. And it was like, I'm definitely not going down that road. So I just kind of, man, I remember reading this book. It was about like a L.A. gangbanger or something like that. It was Monster Cody. And Monster Cody was in jail. He was big. And he was like, I'm going to slim down to a warrior body.

And that just resonated with me. And I was just like, you're not a big guy. You're not going to make it. Get a warrior body. And then that kind of was the trigger for me to say, let me switch up what I'm doing, how I'm approaching this. And then I stopped trying to eat as much because it was a lot of work. It was a lot of work. That's a, man, that's a lot of work trying to put on weight the right way.

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. That's it right there. That book, that book, Monster Cody, the there. That book. That book. Monster Cody, the L.A. Gangbanger. My man was like, I'm going to slim down and get a warrior body. And that resonated with me. I was like, I don't have a big body, man.

I need to just go warrior status. And then that's what I switched. What do you weigh now? 175. And what were you at your heaviest? 210. Damn. Okay. TRT. It's a popular topic. A lot of guys are hopping on it and something that we've talked about a lot and you might think you're a candidate, but how would you know if you haven't gotten your blood work done and you don't

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slash PowerProject. Promo code PowerProject at checkout. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Yeah, I think in our society today here in the united states people have gotten to be so heavy that i think we don't have a good idea of what a warrior body looks like yeah and so people see you and they freak out you know i can't believe you're 53 right but maybe that's how we should all look at 53 yeah yeah i agree hard to hard to work for and hard to do but i mean i don't even think back like hundreds of years ago a lot of activity we call that the donut yeah i mean at this point you probably don't really look at your workouts so much as even though some of them are done in the gym you probably don't really even look at them as workouts it's just like movement right yes well practice i have a thing also um i change my

workouts based on the season so in the summer it's cool i go outside way more as soon as the summer hits i'm in the backyard i'm in the parks um i like to be fresh air sunlight ride my bike and as it cools off I'm back in the gym I'm lifting a little heavier and I'm moving a little slower oh man and that's one thing I would say I admire about the Russians

they're outside all the time and it's snowing and they're flipping kettlebells so I'm like I'm going to try that it's not happening man I're flipping kettlebells. I'm like, so I'm like, I'm going to try that. It's not happening, man. I tried it. I tried it and my hands were frozen. And I remember DMing one of the guys. Stop all freezing.

Yeah, I'm like, how do you do this? And he's just like, this is what we do. And I'm just like, I respect that. I'm a summer guy. I will take my kettlebell to Jamaica and go to the beach. Yeah. So, man, being outside and changing the workouts for the season really helps me too yeah based on the season you know something i

think is um also kind of really dope about what you do is because we've we've talked a lot about how uh maybe some people don't play as many sports as they get older they don't they don't do some of these activities where they're forced to jump or yeah or even forced to use their eyes for certain things it all ends up being in the gym right but the things that you're building on the background as you're doing a lot of the kettlebell stuff is like now you're you're having to calculate first off where your hand needs to be to catch this object yes so you're catching and then your eyes are learning how to track this bell because i noticed that as i was getting better i'm like oh i can see it spinning versus like initially like i don't know where fuck's gonna be right then it's like oh i see i see right it's like so your eyes start learning how to track this you're getting all these aspects

of training and even when you're catching behind your back and you can't see it you feel it you feel it yeah yeah i tell people it's more so it increases your awareness. You ever been like sleeping and you wake up and somebody's watching you? And you know that? And that's why you wake up? Wait till you have kids in SEMA. Wake up like, what are you doing? They're this close to you.

And they don't say anything. Just stare. Yeah, they're just looking at you. It's kind of like, I think, all right, coming from New York. That's terrible. Coming from New York, taking a train, you kind of doze off sometimes. But you're not all the way asleep. So that awareness is still there and you kind of feel the energies around you. That's the type of feeling that you get when you're juggling.

Especially when the bell is behind your back, you don't see it. But based on the release, the feeling of how much inertia you created in the bell, you're going to know exactly where that bell is going to be. So you don't need to see, you just put your hand out and it's right there. And that's the connection I think is invaluable with the the kettlebell juggling there's it heightens your awareness um what do you call it when the when the brain is firing the synapses i don't i don't sound like it sounds good right brain synapses brain synapses yeah it um it it just increases that level of awareness for me that feels right. Also that you're not going to get from just being on a bench, bench pressing until like maybe the ball roll out of your hand or something like that.

But it's it leaves your mind more awake in the movement. It just feels it's that feel good feeling that you won't't get it until you do it yeah have you gotten stronger from some of this stuff so like you're mentioning it sounds like you can kind of pick up like a 500 pound deadlift yeah almost any time um without doing those exercises maybe as much i understand you did mention that you still do them yeah but without doing them as much and kind of uh relinquishing like the desire to like go real heavy and instead replace it with a lot of the other stuff that you're doing, have you noticed when you go back to those things and sort of like, oh, let me just try this 500 pounds. Does it feel easier almost? It doesn't feel easier, but it's still – the power is still there, the explosive power, the initial pull.

So you might have to work it and refine it for a couple weeks if you really wanted to like pull 525. Exactly. If I really wanted to go back to lifting something heavy, I could probably get there in a month. I know the process and that's also just from years of training. You know what you need to do to get to a certain amount of weight.

But it keeps me It keeps you at a high capacity all the time. It keeps me engaged. It keeps me fired up all the time where, okay, I can't snatch 100 pounds today. Give me three days and I'll snatch it. So it keeps you fine-tuned, I would say, man. It keeps you tuned up. And you did say that you don't like the aftermath of that heavy lift and

that's something that's not really talked about that much you know we talk a lot about jujitsu and training and uh you know you're only you're only as good as uh your ability to recover in the training session that's cool that you ran 10 miles but now you're messed up for five days like if that's some sort of event and some sort of rite of passage for you then that's probably cool but right otherwise you need to be a little careful with some of those things. Yeah, at 53, I'm not trying to smash myself anymore. Like, you know, I know what my body's capable of doing. I've done it many times.

And I'm just in a comfort place mentally where I can say, I don't want to do that. You know, I want to do this and not feel, feel like a sucker for not wanting to do it. You know what I mean? I think there's, I guess it goes back to like ego, man. I'm able to park my ego and sometimes ego is good because it's, it's protecting you. So it makes you, it makes you want to go a little harder sometimes.

And, and when I'm in that zone, I respect it and I'll go hard. But it's not an everyday need to redline myself. Yeah. And also there seems to be progression because when I was younger, the progression was based off of how much can I add? Like how much stronger am I getting each month? I wouldn't add weight on the bar every session, but I knew that the volume I'm doing right now is going to let me deadlift 700 here. That's why we would write it down, right? Yeah, right.

Write it down. We saw what we did last time. We're going to add weight. Exactly. But with what you do, like with the different ways that you're learning how to move maces, the different patterns you create with kettlebells,

these are different progressions. Like the progressions are the different ways in which you learn how to move. Yes. Say, for instance, for us, we had three moves we needed to do. We were practicing. And what we did was we broke them apart

and then drilled them. So depending on how fast you're getting that movement, you're going to have to drill it. So maybe it'll take an hour. just for your body to remember the pattern. And an hour of flipping 25 pounds adds up, right? But you're not thinking about it because you're trying to figure out the process. So that one gets locked in. You add the second part.

And once you figure out the second movement, you connect them together. So then you go from one progression to the other progression. And the part about the flow is how do you connect the two so it looks seamless? And that would be the transition point from left to right, right? And then you add in the third move. So there's three different moves, Left to right, right? And then you add in the third move. So there's three different moves, two different connection points. And the key is to make it look seamless.

And those are your levels of progression. And once everything is connected and you run through the pattern movement, and the key is to repeat that pattern on a loop as many times as possible without breaking. So there is a presence that needs to happen to say, this is what's next. This is what's next. My timing has to be right. And you have to keep that connection of where you're moving the weight, how to catch the weight, how much speed you need to be, and relax while you're doing it so that you don't get so tight because you can't move, you can't flow. So that's the progression that I would say eventually turns the kettlebell juggling into a workout session. Have you noticed anything in particular improving?

Conditioning, like if you went out on a run or maybe you hit some pads, boxing, or maybe you hit a heavy bag and you're like holy crap like i feel stronger have you noticed any changes like that over the years and doing some of these methods yeah i have much more endurance um breath my breath is right uh my mental space of i know i can go a little bit longer is there. That's definitely an improvement in my breathing and my endurance. Yeah. And also my awareness. So I'm just really aware of what's happening around me too. Yeah.

A lot of stuff, exercise and gym, they don't usually involve much at all in terms of like reflexes. And what you're doing has got some reflexes going on. Reflexes and the cardio aspect of it. I always feel like I was on a treadmill after juggling for a while because your cardio, your heart rate is up. And it also allows you to cool down faster as you're moving too because you're just going to go from left to right, right to left. It's not a movement pattern that you do in the gym a lot also because we're always just going forward or backwards. So being able to move left to right really opened up a different aspect of the way I move my body also.

Are there some things that you're seeing sometimes other people do with kettlebells or maybe there's other heavy objects that they're throwing around where you haven't been able to maybe execute it quite yet. Is there anybody out there where you're like, damn, I want to be able to figure out that new movement pattern?

Man. Or you've been able to kind of mimic most of them? Yeah, I can watch somebody's movement and kind of figure it out to do it. What I notice is, is my left, my left side has to have, I call it sending the signal. I have to,

I struggle a little bit more on my left side on certain catches than I do on my right side. So my right side of catching fast and my left side, I have to really work at it so I don't know if it's because I'm a righty or whatever just the way that my thought pattern is that would be like the only struggle in

in doing this I know that the repetition is what's gonna help you get the trick so I won't say there's I have seen some things that i'm like damn how did he how did he come up with that move yeah because um the beauty in the juggle also is when people start to juggle and start to start to make sense to them it takes on their own persona

their own style and you can look at them and say, that is, say, Sean Pearce up in Canada. You know that's Sean's style. With Jared, Crazy Trainer, you know that's Crazy Trainer style. This guy Gavin, Twisted Cheat Meal, you know that's his style. When you look at them...

Okay, all right, let me retract. Gavin, Twisted Cheat Mill, has a classic style Russian juggling style. He flips about four or five rotations before he catches it. Oh, yeah. And that's going to take me a long time to do. So there are certain places. So there are people that are doing things that I can say I cannot do. Yet.

Yet. But it goes back to do I want to do that. And you can admire it and you can also say, well, that's not even really me. Oh, that's my man right there. You can say I'm fine with doing things my own style style yes right but but this is his style yeah also watch his knees like when he creates all that torsion watch yeah you'll see his leg he looks totally disinterested for some reason he's just like hurling this thing watch yeah so you're making space jump yeah you make space for the bell to travel. There's a – Wow.

Man, I can't remember his name. There's one guy like out of Russia, and that's Sean. Damn. Yeah. See how smooth? See that smooth? Ooh. Ooh.

Yeah, that's what I said. Yo. Yeah. Man. All right? So cool to be able to absorb that force. Yes. Like I know that some of these kettlebells look a little bigger and they're not always crazy heavy in terms of the weight.

Uh-huh. But it's still a lot of weight. And then to be able to do it unbroken. Right. And to really absorb that force the way that you guys do is really an incredible thing and that's all about putting the bell in the right place at the right time so you got to know how much force you're you're creating to oh that's you watch these guys catch the weight like see how the knees bounce every time the knees go down as he's catching him or the arm goes down or a shoulder will pop down a bit right and you also

notice like the hip movement in terms of you know what i mean like the momentum it's like a pendulum there's that and then like the shoulders like like right there going behind the back yeah like you can't be stiff and do that yeah and as soon as you catch it as soon as they hit your hand you're gonna move and and and uh decelerate the weight. You're going to absorb that inertia and let it flow out. So you're really just guiding the weight as to where you want it. There's a guy like out of Russia. It starts with a P, pro something.

Man, whenever I see his posts, I'm like, man, he's top five. Because he's doing everything that we're doing with like 70 pounds. Wow. Damn, I wish we could find his profile. Yeah, P-R-O-D something. I follow him. P-R-O-D on his profile. Yeah, something like that.

This guy is so strong, man. Detective Andrew. And smooth. and smooth. And that's what I mean by as you learn the process, you can add more weight when you want it to be more challenging. So there are days where I'm trying to flip 50 pounds, 60 pounds. It's not going to be the same exact flip,

but just the fact of creating that explosiveness to be able to turn the handle on the bell and then decelerate it again feels really good, too. I think we need, like, kettle flip, like, challenges. You know, like you get one person in the middle. Yeah. They do their thing. It's like a battle. Yeah, yeah, battle. Breakdancing or something.

We do that often, too, on a Sunday. We call it the after party where everybody's just kind of doing their thing. And there's a learning process in that also, because you're able to see what the person is doing that they're not seeing. And then you say, you know what? If you did it this way, you will be able to catch it. Because they're not thinking about it that way. They're thinking about it in their own way. But because you're outside watching them, you can tell them, hey, yo, try it this way.

It's kind of like kids at the skateboard park. And they're trying these different tricks and flips and they're emulating each other. And then they're just coming up with new movements. Have you ever done a competition before? They have competitions for this stuff? They only have classical competitions. Well, what I'm doing, what a lot of new guys are doing, isn't considered classic kettlebell juggling. It doesn't really have a name yet.

It's kind of like just this new age thing because we don't follow the same patterns of the russian classical style um it's more the bell is closer to you and you're moving it left right forward center um so it's we there hasn't been a juggling competition based on our style i would and definitely a yet because we always talk about we need to get together and have some sort of format but i think everything is still really fresh and new it's like an art form so it's hard to like really grade right like one guy goes versus the other exactly like figure skating you know where you're like i'm not sure why the other person got better points right subjective for sure right um and a lot of the a lot of it is um we don't really have all of the names yet so it's kind of like we got to have some sort of coming together where we could say this is this name for this move because it's kind of all

subjective to what you think it should be um What's crazy in figure skating is they have a routine. Yes. And the routine's on like a piece of paper. Right. And so the judges can see, did you hit that triple whatever it's called, right? And so imagine trying to do that with what you're doing. You have to remember what you wrote down and your routine. And then someone's got to, oh, he was trying to go for three flips

and he only did two. Yes. So you get a deduction. Yes. And that's a deduction. Yes. And that's kind of how we do it right now. We're saying, like yesterday, we said two up top, one in the back, back to two, rotation. That's your switch, figure eight, into snatch rack flip. So we know the movement and the pattern that needs to happen um but to get

everybody on the same page is universal um this is the move i think there's there's i had a conversation with somebody um god that's so good for your brain and your memory yes it's like a football player right right right it's like the pattern yeah i just said and you gotta um and and i remember the person was telling me his name was Alex he was saying you need ownership because as I don't know

the popularity of kettlebell juggling is starting to pick up and people are doing it like people are doing the moves that I've created but not knowing that I've created that move they need to give you 50 cents every time they hit that move up. It's like, there's no,

there's no ownership in what you're doing. And because somebody else is doing it. Which video has a lot of wolf flips? Because we want, I want it to, I want it to be right here, known that like this man created the wolf flip which video should we click

out of the top three pinned top three I would say we could watch all of them if you guys want yeah click on all of them that's the wolf flip so I was like I made that flip up

just out of experimentation that is definitely the wolf flip that's it right there I made that flip up just out of just experimentation. That is definitely the wolf flip. Yeah, yeah, that's it right there. And I started naming it. Started saying, yo, this is the wolf flip because no one else in recorded history has ever done it. So I was like, that's my signature flip. And it's been able to stick.

But also the flip behind the back and catching it in the same hand was something that I created. So that's long gone. So I don't even have a name for that, but it's just a behind-the-back catch. But that is, I would have to say, is my signature flip, which is the wool flip, and that flip right there also. If there's a competition for this, it will get nuts because as somebody flips something, they'll, like, break off on their hand and, you know, do something in between and then catch it.

There's so much. I went to, like, a kettlebell event in Atlanta, and a lot of, like, man, maybe the forefathers, I would say, of juggling were there, and it just felt, it was just, it was just crazy to see everybody in the same building you know because there was this one guy i always give him credit man um drew miller uh just out of canada and he was he was a kettlebell guy but when i started doing he had already been you know uh in kettlebells um

and that was somebody i was looking forward to like asking questions about how to clean correctly snatch things like that and how do you uh how do you juggle the bell he did this one move um he was the first person i seen do it where he would he flipped the belt under his leg and he caught it on the other side and that was that was the game changer for me. That was me saying, this is something I want to do. And I guess it's the same thing when somebody would see me and be like, oh, you know what?

This is what I want to do. He was that person for me. So I always give him credit for that. I think you were that person for this guy. Yeah. So he doesn't juggle as much, but he still was there and it was my first time meeting him.

And I had been following him for, man, years, yo. And it was just nice to be in the same space with a lot of people that have the same interests because for a long time, I only knew of like three or four people that were doing this that was outside of Russia. And that was just on seeing them on social media. Um, and just talking in DMS,

like, well, what do you think about this? How are you doing that? What's your approach to this move? Um, and then just becoming insulated and doing it myself and just really practicing and,

and just, uh, developing the skill most of your followers are probably used to it but yeah it's like it's jaded right now a lot of my followers that's just kind of doing this thing you know realize yeah i think when in sema posted though it might have a different reaction yeah yeah what do you know what it is about people like um i don't know just having a lot of negative comments about it. I would just say they're uneducated about it. And that goes to in the fitness industry, people are driven by results.

They don't understand what the result is. So the approach to it is you kind of hate on what you don't know. And once you get the information about what's happening or how it feels, and I would just, I always, when I get the negative comments, I just kind of read them and just keep it pushing, really, man.

I don't get involved in responding or unless – but, okay. I've noticed that somebody saying, why are you even doing that? Is them actually generally wanting to know why are you doing that? But the wording is bad. It sounds like they're hating, but they're actually saying, no, seriously, I really want to know what you're doing and what are the benefits to it. It's just text and there's not much context.

Yes. It was, I want to say it was somebody from Spain and he was saying, this looks dumb. Why are you doing it? And I'm like, who are you talking to? You know what I mean? But he later DM'd me. It was generally like, I really want to know how to start doing this.

And I'm like, man, your message read so crazy. I'm like, I probably would have slapped you if you would have DM'd me. Yeah, yeah. And that's the part where you kind of got to take it with a grain of salt and just keep it pushing. But now it's so many followers that I don't, I won't say I don't, but I really, really don't try to feed into the comments. I feel like if you're serious about something at this point,

you'll shoot a direct message. But if you're just commenting and you're just kind of just couch surfing, talking, talking trash, but yeah. Where else can I go to learn more about this? Do you have a YouTube channel, like a legitimate question, right? Yeah, exactly. Rather than, than, than, oh, why are you doing that? This is dumb.

What? The most interesting comment, I think, was somebody saying, I wanted to fall and hit you. Why do they want to put curses on people? So I responded to that one because it was interesting. I was like, am I reading this correctly? You want to see me get hurt? And his response was, yes, a thousand percent. And I was like, wow, you really want to watch me injure myself. You're like, okay, what happened to you when you were nine? Yeah, exactly. Tell me your story.

I was just like, yo, man, I send you health and best wishes, yo, because that's a sad thing to say. But he meant it. He was like, I want to see you get hurt. And it was just, that comes from a place of, like, jealousy, man. And I knew that. So I don't take those comments on. But I always encourage people to just try it.

But I always encourage people to just try it. Yeah, you might be hating on it now, but you really might like it. And that has been the outcome for a lot of people that once they try it, they're kind of like, you know what? I kind of like this. And they just kind of start getting into it. Right now, I know you're looking in the mirror. You're getting ready for your nephew's quinceanera. You have a long sleeve on that looks horrible and your pants don't fit right.

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like just wait until he stops posting that's when you know he's fucked his toe up or some shit right it's just like i don't know why these people want this to happen yeah you know if you're interested in trying it people are always talking about the toes and dropping the bell on the toes. It's like, go out to a park, right? Right. Grass. Because if you drop the bell on grass, it's a dead stop. It's not going to be bouncy.

But then you can, like you just mentioned earlier in the podcast, you can mess with dropping it and see what dropping it from here is like. And dropping it from here is like. Before you even start. Exactly. Dropping it from here is like, and dropping it from here is like. Before you even start. Exactly. My thing is, in case of talking about injuries, I've hurt myself more doing a deadlift than I did juggling kettlebells. Same.

And I'm like, why is me hurting myself doing a deadlift acceptable, but me doing something I like to do that looks different from what you're used to doing, not acceptable. There's danger in everything that we do. So don't go into it thinking, oh, it's going to drop on your foot. Okay, I could blow my back out on a deadlift. Same thing. Why is that acceptable and this is not?

And that's the question that sometimes I ask them too. Like, is it okay if I drop a dumbbell on my foot? Is that okay? Because what's the difference? And if your mindset is, I'm going to go into this and hurt myself, you'll never go platinum. You'll just be wood in the hood, man. You won't make it. Yeah.

Have you always been, you seem pretty calm. Yeah. As like when you were younger, were you. Definitely not. Maybe not. Yeah, were you maybe not as calm? I was definitely not calm when I was younger, man. Like you're real precise with your words.

And I notice you're not doing a lot of ands and ums. And you actually stop and breathe. And then, you know, you're not afraid to have like a little pause in between the wording. And sometimes people are nervous and they're not able to do that. Wow. I didn't think about that. You must be confident in yourself is what I'm thinking. Oh,

okay. I've been doing, I always say, I definitely know what I'm doing when it comes to juggling. Kettlebell and stuff like that, I've been doing it for a long time. When I was younger, a couple of years as well. I want to say I started about 2014, 15, juggling and things like that. Younger, I was definitely not calm, just to answer that question.

I was always, man, ready to fight, always mad. And that just comes from growing up in the city. You got to be not on edge but on point because you never know. So you got to be ready at all times. And over the years, meditation has really gave me that point to take a breath and be calm before I speak and really maybe try to put words into place that need to be there. Yeah. Meditation is key. Meditation would not have probably landed on you when you were young, right?

Like someone say, hey, man, you just need to take a breath. Even starting to meditate was really hard to just be silent and still because I'm always so active and moving around. But I think it's needed as a balance. Just like we say, physical health is important. I didn't realize that mental health is just as important as we grow older also. So I think if we go down that road of just physical, always apply a little bit of mental health with it also. What does applying the practice of meditation, what does that look like for you in practice?

In practice, 15 to 20 minutes every morning before I start my day, before I pick up my phone, before I turn on the TV, which I hardly do anymore. I wake up, give thanks, new day, 10 toes toes down on the floor and i put the pot on and i sit down i meditate just stillness yeah get my i always say put my mental armor on gotcha what you got over there andrew i think that was a pharaoh munch right that said i sold platinum around the world he sold wood in the hood yes that was so much yeah and um that clicked for me right away you never go

platinum is uh snoop he's like uh that's harold melvin without the blue notes okay yeah you'll never go platinum what i was gonna ask is if somebody um because a lot of us we got into the gym because we wanted to change our bodies and we wanted to become something you know we wanted to look like the dudes in the magazine and stuff and so the first thing we we turn to is like bodybuilding yes so if somebody is interested in trying to improve their physique there's i know there's tons of examples of people you know juggling these days now but how many more examples are there of like bodybuilders right because like that's kind of like the standard thing so for somebody that does want to improve their physique, what advice do you have for them? Because you say you like to encourage people to try.

So how do you encourage somebody to try when they have that on their mind? I would say, man, start with one push-up is what I always tell people. You don't even have to go to the gym. Just start with one push-up for the day. The next day you do two. Next day you'll do three. push-up for the day, the next day you do two. Next day you'll do three. And you start to get the mental space of, I'm going to carve some time out for myself. Because a lot of people, the first thing they say is, I don't have time. I don't have time. Oh, I ain't got time to go to

the gym. Wake up and start building the mental strength to say, I'm going to carve out some time. How much time does it take to do one pushup? No time at all. But the mentality is saying, I don't even want to do one pushup. So you have to start by carving out space for yourself mentally and physically. That's where the mental and the physical space comes in. Because there are times where I don't have time. I don't have 15 minutes to meditate, but I make sure I meditate anyway. And it all works out always, even if it's five minutes.

But that space that you make for yourself is building the discipline for you to start getting into physical shape. So start with one push-up. You meditated your way here. Yeah. The plane got diverted. Exactly. The plane got diverted, and I was spiraling down a rabbit hole of, how am I going to get there on time?

How am I going to get there on time? Looking at other flights, and I was like, you know what? Relax. Take a break. Go sit down there's nothing you could do there's no one to punch yeah

if there was maybe we could handle it that way but there's no one to punch you get so caught up in worrying about things that you can't even control and then that just

ruins your day so if you know you can't control it why even stress and go crazy about it just like what you said about it earlier you said there were other people on the flight too yeah their plans got changed all right like it was so many people that um were gonna miss a flight you know i heard somebody next to me like oh i gotta get a hotel because my there's no other flight until tomorrow um and i was just like, I'm not in that boat. You know, I know I can get there.

So I was like, let me just relax, yo. Cut it out. Like, what are you doing? Calm down. And a guy's health was compromised, right? Yeah. So you got to be thoughtful of that, too. You're like, well, you know.

It's a bigger picture. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So in regards to the juggling, I'm sure at this point it's a bigger picture right yeah yeah so in regards to uh into to the juggling i'm sure at this point it's probably harder to flip it less but is there a way to juggle without i guess i'll say like the the flair of it all because for me personally like when i see you guys flipping and stuff i do worry like oh shit i'm gonna i'm gonna miss it something's gonna happen but maybe if i

just swing it and then like uh one of the examples of somebody we pulled up he was just showing like letting go and then catching it yes is that can somebody start there like absolutely okay yeah absolutely um now you got me listening to when i say arm yeah that's how it goes i wasn't paying attention to that. Now I'm like, am I saying arm now? Start with the swing. Start with the swing and the snatch. And then start to just let the handle go and catch it. That would be my suggestion if you want to start to flip the bell.

The way that the handle turns are two different ways. You can push the handle away or you can, from the top or the bottom, that's going to turn the direction of the handle either forward or reverse. A lot of people, when I start to teach it, they're flipping the handle away from them with their finger and a hook, kind of hooking and pulling where you actually need to use your thumb you turn your hand the other way and push the handle that way but if you want the bell to turn this way you actually push away with your palm at the bottom and then just leave your palm in place what happens is people chase the handle right so the handle's moving away from them and they're

following the handle all the way around to catch it and then they won't catch it. And that's the part that I think people need education on is how to create the inertia of the speed of the handle and where to put your hand as far as catching it again. Because we're like, most people from a sports background, if the ball's coming at you, you're going to turn your palm down.

And that's the way that a lot of people, they'll push and then turn their palm down and the handle's coming around and hit them on the knuckle and they just can't figure out what's happening. So there's a lot of rethinking of where your hand placement needs to be and sending the signal to deliberately put your hand in a place so that the handle rotates into it. You want to put the handle where it needs to be and don't chase the handle to catch

the handle. Yeah. And Jared actually shared something too yesterday. He mentioned something he has people do is he has them do a swing and they'll let go of the handle, but just to tap it and catch it. So they can just tap it in midair, catch, swing, tap, tap, tap, catch. It's just like these little things just to get familiar with touching the bell while it's falling. Right.

And not being so scared of the fact that you're letting go. Because there's the letting go aspect. Let me see. Oh, I'm again. letting go aspect um i haven't seen arm again the letting go aspect is a fear for a lot of people also because it just used to have to hold on really tight and grip the handle so and and that's just in kettlebells in general there's not you don't need a real solid tight grip because you have to be able to move your hand in and out of the window for a window insertion to put the bell in position and if you dead grip in the bell all the way up into the snatch as it gets

to the top it just reels over because you can't hold the weight as far and it just smacks you in your on your wrist and that's a big turnoff for people and it goes back to understanding that's something that actually helped me a lot um learning how to like it was when i went to austin jared just told me like just relax my hands a bit right because like i was there were times where i was more relaxed and times that i was still gripping the bell a little bit too hard just like keep the hand the hands were like just keep the hand relaxed the whole time around the handle right and just kind of loosen up because that allows you to be loose yes and then your your fingers are just like hooks exactly your hand won't get as fatigued right because you're not fucking death gripping the bell yeah and that was um

i think for my initial introduction into kettlebell that was what i was doing too was like death gripping the bell because you know i'm coming out of death gripping the the barbell and it makes you rethink the way that you use your hands, the way you use your body. And that's why I always say start with the basics first. Know how to just put it in a clean snatch, deadlift, and then you can start moving the weight in a different fashion. I noticed for myself just picking up a kettlebell

and just looking at it like a timer. I'll put the timer on my phone and it'll just be up a kettlebell and just looking at like a timer i'll put the timer on my phone and just it'll just be on a couple minutes and i went one minute one day another minute i went two minutes and three minutes and uh just the goal for me is just to keep moving with it yes you know and i'll try different exercises and different movements i don't have the flips down yet but i'm working on a bunch of different stuff doing some lunges and some different movements i don't have a lot of kettlebell experience so i'm like well let me just get familiar with this piece yes let me get familiar with this thing and then uh from there over time i can progress it

right uh the swing even for a minute two minutes if you're doing it right that's a good workout. Yeah. And then snatching for a minute. Sport, kettlebell sport is swing, clean, press, or jerk. That over a minute will tax you. Yeah. That is another aspect to kettlebells that is the root of everything besides juggling. that is the root of everything besides juggling. So I would definitely start with the basics, learn the different styles, hard style, sports style, before you do anything and then start to explore. How long do you flip for sometimes?

Because like some of these clips that we see on Instagram. Hours. Looks like you're going for a while. And is there much break in between? Not really. Set it down and yeah yeah sometimes um sometimes you have to put it down and take a step and kind of really think how much pressure am i putting on catching the belt especially like over the shoulder and kind of um make your adjustments and then try it again. But, man, you can really go for hours and not even realize that you're going for hours.

Would it be common for you to go five, ten minutes in a row without setting it down at all? Absolutely. 30 minutes. Wow. That's a lot of work. Yeah. This one looks brutal.

Seema's in great shape, and I see him just dripping with sweat when he's working with those kettlebells in there. We were yesterday. We were working on something, and we spent maybe, I think, four hours. Yes. Him, Jared, and I. Yeah. We were working on something.

We spent four hours in the gym trying to figure this thing out. At least I was really trying to figure it out. They mostly had it down, right? And that went back to us separating the movements. So it probably took like an hour to get this one move down where it was comfortable. And then another hour for the second move. And then it was like another hour just trying to put the two moves together. And then by that time, it was just about the transitions

on how to get the bell between the first and the second move and the elation of putting all three moves together it was like man climbing Mount Everest it's not

the other turn off to it is you're going to fail more than you succeed. And I think that may be really frustrating for a lot of people. But if you enjoy the process of failing, trying again, trying again, because you spend more time chasing the bell to pick it back up to start over than you actually get to do the flip. We were saying it took us four hours for a minute's worth of work. And that's the part that people don't see. You're not just going to go out there and start juggling and be amazing. It takes a lot of work to get to that level of proficiency. It's like playing football with your son.

If you have a kid and they're little, you're going to run around way more than they are. Yes. They can't catch it. They can't do shit. They take forever. Yes. You're like, God damn.

You're out there just sweating bullets. And you're frustrated like, catch the ball, God damn it. Open your glove. Open your glove. And the ball rolls down the hill. You got to go down. You're like, no, catch the ball, goddamn it. Open your glove. Open your glove. And the ball rolls down the hill. You're like, no, you got to go pick it up. Yeah. I love the gamify aspect of it all because I know it's been like a whole, I don't know, 10 minutes since we talked about jiu-jitsu.

But in jiu-jitsu, one session, you're dripping in sweat. but in jujitsu one session you're dripping in sweat the the like i don't know like the amount of like uh step mill you'd have to do would be like insane for one like morning session right but you're playing the whole time you're play fighting but you're playing and you don't really like you don't really even acknowledge the fact that you're doing a lot of cardio so with this and there's there's a lot of parallels with the like the sucking in the beginning and the like the frustrating part of it all that does parallel jujitsu and i'm i'm seeing why you're falling in love with it so fast and it's something that i definitely want to start exploring as well yeah i noticed that i get a lot of jujitsu practitioners that come to me wanting to learn how to juggle from all over the world it makes

sense it makes a lot of sense and i wasn't making a connection until maybe like the fourth third or fourth guy came and he was saying that um the juggling helps his quick reflexes with his hands um and it's a puzzle for him to figure out the The same way that if he's trying to put somebody in a hold, he may be holding them, but he's already thinking of three moves, how to get him to where he wants that person to be to put the lock on him. And he said the same feeling of juggling parallels the same feeling of trying to figure out how to get this person in

a position to put them in a lock and i was just like now i understand why people like it and then there's also the aspect of like when you're saying like when you throw something behind your back based off how you threw it you know where it's gonna land yes there's a lot of that right in jiu-jitsu where you're just feeling his body motion here's like okay he's probably gonna go this way sweep exactly like oh he's coming okay now i'm gonna go you know so there's a lot of that stuff where it's like you can't see it you have to feel it yes and i man this is cool you know one of the coolest things from doing this is like when you're doing a move and you keep falling and failing and failing, and then you're just like, all right, let me just walk away for a minute.

Yeah. You just walk away for like a minute or two. Right. You come back and it's like, it took a little bit to download. You come back to it. It's like, Oh,

there it is. Right. And it's just like, it's literally like being right there when your body downloads a movement and then you do it after failing for 30 minutes. Yes. It's the sickest fucking feeling. And I'm always like,

take a breath. Because you can see the person starting to get tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter until they're just like, and I'm like, look, let's regroup. Think about what we're doing. We're just having fun. There's not a win or fail in that process you're just learning to enjoy the movement

learning to connect your body your mind to your body mental connection so let's take a breath get all of that angst out of your system and then let's try it again and then it sinks, starts to hit. I think that it's hard to recognize sometimes that you,

in order to learn something and do it the right way, you have to do it the wrong way for a while. Yes. Kind of reminds me of like using your phone GPS for like walking and trying to walk to a certain place, like the fastest, or even sometimes just in your car getting out of the parking lot. Like do you determine which way to go right doesn't really know where you are yet until you move and then you just go the wrong way and it tells you to make a u-turn right it goes the other way and it's um it's always fun watching some watching the click happen

when you see the person it just hits it's like there's it's they'll be failing 30 minutes 40 minutes and then it just and you're like damn i saw it and they see it and they're like oh shit i'm doing it right now and they're just moving and it's and you're just in that ride with them because you see it happen uh taking place right in front of you and that just that's one of the other feelings that's always good to watch somebody grow in the sport like i've um i saw a post the other day of somebody that had come from from london and was learning with me and went back um and then i haven't seen seen them post in a while and then they post and i'm like oh shit damn that was good i'm like yo it's so good to see that progression from when they first start to where they are now. It's just, it's really, it's amazing to see, man.

It's amazing to watch. It's cool to watch somebody work through their own process, too, of sometimes being negative. Yes. And you're like, well, calm down. Yeah, take it easy. It's all right. We're just having fun. It, calm down. Yeah, take it easy. It's all right. We're just having fun. It's brand new.

Yeah, yeah. I always want to remind them, too, that the object is to enjoy yourself, to enjoy the exploration, the thought pattern, and to be open to being able to fail and just regroup. open to being able to fail and just regroup because that's another part of mental tenacity also to just be able to say, all right, I don't, I don't know it now, but I know I'm going to get it. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Cause like a lot of people are the bells to try to use, right? Because there's, there's the cast iron bells, there's competition bells. We've been using the Laco sport bells here, but what would you suggest based off all the bells you've juggled that, like, what are the differences?

Wow, the cast iron bell. The cast iron bell only flips good when it's a really heavy weight. So cast iron is the... The cast iron bell is the standard kettlebell you'll see on a shelf at Target or something like that. The weight distribution and the bells are different. So different brand companies that make competition bells, which is, okay, let's back up a second. Cast iron bells are cast iron, right? The big bubble looking bells are called competition bells and those bells are cast iron, right? The big bubble-looking bells are called competition bells, and those bells are steel.

The way that the cast iron bell is designed mostly is there's weight in the handle, there's weight in the body of the bell also. They tend to not flip correctly because of the weight distribution. correctly because of the weight distribution. Also, there's not enough window space for your hand to catch the bell. The design of the bell itself doesn't really lend to juggling. I find that you're able to flip the cast iron bell at about 24 kilos, which is like 50 pounds or so, that's when it tends, the distribution is correct. It feels right.

But you're only going to be able to turn that bell forward or backwards. That's not something that you want to flip behind your back. The steel bell, the competition bell, has a really generous window space, window handle. There it is. Now, this bell in particular versus some other bells, there's no weight in the handle. So the body of the bell is what rotates and it makes the handle turn smooth. So there are some bells that there is weight in the handle. The bell turns, but depends on where the steel is kind of set.

It may turn the handle to make it wobble a little bit as it goes through the air. And that with time and practice, a specific bell, you kind of get to know the way that that handle is going to turn. That's why you'll see a lot of people say, this is my juggle bell because they figured out the weight distribution in that, in that piece of equipment, in that tool. It just shows your proficiency though, because yesterday as we were working, right, we had two, me and Jared had two Aleko bells and then I had the other kettlebell Kings bell, right? And the Aleko bells, they're a bit more, they're a bit more smooth. And then you're like, ah, I'll take other kettlebell kings bell, right? And the laco bells, they're a bit more smooth. Right.

And then you're like, I'll take the kettlebell kings, right? So you were using this for a bit, then you had to recalibrate the way you were juggling. And it took me a while to, because of the way the bell spins, the distribution, you have to recalibrate how much inertia you need to put on the bell to spin it. how much inertia you need to put on a bell to spin it. So it takes you, your notice is if you get into juggling, try different brands of bells and you'll see the difference in the bell. They all have a different feel, a different texture and handle. The weight distribution is off slightly.

The design of the bells change depending on the brand company because no and even within the the same company with the same exact weight the bell's gonna the bell may turn differently also so once you get a bell and you start to juggle with it that becomes your baby because you know the feel of where to handle the weight distribution and that that just becomes your juggle bell because there's there's one bell that i have there are different bells at the same weight and i won't i won't touch the other bells i'm like this is the one for me yeah so people get defensive or let's say if they're in the gym like no i don't touch that bell that's that's my bell don't don't put any bad juju on it you know don't even touch it that's my juggle bell yeah and i noticed that a lot with people like and that's why um even even i take my bell sometimes when i travel just to pass time

i'll take this one specific bell so the bell would get you know stamps from traveling and he's a passport yeah also the cast iron one people might want to be careful because those can break a lot easier right i have broken a cast iron bell i used to go to like this uh like this off spirit it was a train track and it can't be fixed no it's done it's a wrap once it once it breaks it's over and i dropped the bell and it bounced and hit the railroad track and just shattered in half. And I was just like, I didn't know that could happen. Yeah, that was interesting. And then somebody commented the other day, I was flipping a really heavy bell.

And they were like, man, I would drop that and break it. then break it and that hadn't crossed my mind in so long of breaking a kettlebell because i had switched from the cast iron to the steel belt and the steel belt could take a good smacking around and not not break up yeah there's something i quickly want to bring it back to because i think it was like really important you know you were mentioning a few years before you discovered the mace and the bells like you had pain in your shoulders, you had different pain, and now none of that pain exists. And a lot of it is because you've started allowing your body to move in these different ways. Yes. So I think it's really awesome that, like, yeah, everybody ages.

And even if you have something, you don't have to be in pain forever if you can allow yourself to explore different areas of movement and strength yes i think um what's what's uh good for me also is that the kettlebells kind of reignited my love for fitness um i was getting stagnant of just doing the big three over and over and over adding weight learning adding weight, lowering weight. And then I just kind of was getting bored with doing the same thing over and over. So when I got introduced, I started using the mace out of an injury from a deadlift where I had really like sprained something,

you know, no belt going super heavy. And I was doing a singledl with with the bar and it just really pulled something bad it made me say let me start exploring other things besides this is there something else and i saw uh some magazine and the guy had a mace and i was like what is that and i ordered one and just started getting into it. And I think the mace brought me back to what the kettlebell. And in teaching the mace, I found it was harder to teach somebody how to use a mace than it was to teach them how to use a kettlebell.

So I was like, let me start learning more about the kettlebell just for a training aspect of let me start teaching this. And then I started doing bars and bells. Where can people find you if they want to follow along with your juggling? Oh, Daring101 on Instagram. D-A-R-I-N-G 101. It's kind of like a first introduction to a college class. It's always like that 101.

So yeah, that was it. Daringone IG. And I'm subscribed to your Instagram. Like your membership. Are you, are you, how, how do you like that?

It's cool. Cause like, you know, you, you're showing demos of those moves to your subscribers. And it's like, I can like, okay,

I see how to do that. Then I can practice it. It's dope. Yeah. It's a, you do, you do a good job with that. Thank you.

Um, I started that just from people asking a lot of questions. How do you do this? How do you do that? And I was spending so many time responding and making separate videos. I'm just like, you know what? I'm just going to do a subscription, see if this works. And the feedback has been really good,

even from people that I respect as jugglers have subscribed, and they're saying there were certain moves that I just couldn't catch that you have explained, and now I'm doing it. So I feel like it's an honor to see somebody that I respect as a juggler subscribing and learning and saying that I've learned something from you. So I feel like the subscription base is really good. Thank you so much for your time today. Appreciate it. My pleasure. I'm humbled and honored to be here. I've learned something from you. So I feel, I feel like the subscription base is really good. Yeah. Thank you so much for your time today.

Appreciate it. My pleasure. I'm humbled and honored to be here. Honestly, I always feel like if somebody wants to take their time out to speak to you, that's man, a high honor. Y'all I'm really grateful.

Strength is never weakness. Weakness never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.