Mark Bell's Power Project - The Primal Solutions To Our Modern Health Problems - Candi and Tom Fraizer || MBPP Ep. 1055

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

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We all need the sun. Most of the sunscreen is just full of chemicals. The other part, you're just blocking the sun. How about skin cancer? Are we getting into conspiracies now, my friend? We weren't designed to live in this kind of world. You know, we believe in going back to nature and using nature as the guide for directing us on what to do.

We lived in the sun for thousands of years. Plastic is not going to be removed from our environment for hundreds of years, even if we did everything right now. Because I mean, it's floating in the air. What's the survival of the wisest now, not the survival of the fittest. Skin is affected by food and chemicals and the environment and EMFs and blue light. We want to have a world where people start thinking and stop taking so many SSRIs and antidepressants that they end up in the water system

and are recirculated into us, causing endocrine disruptors, making boys wonder if they're girls. All right, we got to start off with question number one, which is what's the deal with the glasses from you guys? Because we see you all the time, kind of, or not all the time, but most of the time in like kind of yellowish glasses and you got yellowish or orangeish glasses on now. What do these do for us and why should maybe some other people be thinking about these glasses? So these ones that I have on that are clear are actually blue light blockers too. But the reason we wear them is because we're sitting in front of artificial light all the time. We're sitting in front of camera light, in front of

computer screen, and our eyes need to be protected from that synthetic blue light, which is coming off all the screens. So we just wear them, you know, anytime we're in front of the bright synthetic light. Now, if we're outside, we don't wear them because the natural sunlight is really what we want. But anytime we're inside, we have the glasses on. So anytime you see me on screen, you're going to be seeing me wearing the blue light blockers. Do you think there's more reason to be cautious about that at night and maybe not worry about it as much during the day? Or do you think you should just kind of maybe have a little concern about it all the time? So we have, there's, you know, three different shades really. The guy we get ours from at EMR Tech, he makes them in three

different shades. So we got, these ones are the clear that we wear during the day, which was like, will block some of that synthetic blue light, but harmonize it more. So it's like you're in the sun. block some of that synthetic blue light, but harmonize it more so it's like you're in the sun. Then there's the yellow ones, which I put on if I'm in no window room, like a room like this, and there's synthetic light everywhere, I usually wear the yellow. I didn't bring my yellow today. Tom has his yellow on. And then the orange ones are for nighttime. So those are the ones that will help with melatonin to come out in your body, right? Like orange or red. Orange or red, yeah.

And so what that's doing is it's eliminating all of the blue frequencies and the majority of the green. So that's the stuff that usually, like, you know, if you were out in the wild, that color light wouldn't be in the environment. And that's the point. You want to eliminate that at night. And we've had a lot of people that buy them and then they say to us, like, wow, I can't believe how much more to eliminate that at night. And we have, you know, we've had a lot of people that, that buy them. And then they say to us like, wow, I can't believe how much more tired I get at night. No, you know, you can get in the science of it, which is melatonin. Right.

But really like the key is you want to be able to sleep when you put your head down. And since we've started wearing them, you know, months ago, we go to bed at like nine o'clock now and it's lights out like that. There seems to make everything a little bit more boring, a little bit more bland, like aside from like what the science actually is um andrew zaragoza our podcast engineer over there he uh messed with my phone the other day and he put it on grayscale i don't know if you guys have seen that but basically the phone looks black and white so that that was a pretty interesting adjustment yeah i did it because um it basically made my phone really boring you

know so like one of the things that i noticed right away, and I mean like within a day, my phone switched to grayscale. I'm driving to work the next day and I'm like, wow, look at the sky. It's blue. And I'm like, well, it's not that it's changed. It's just that I'm getting artificial colors, just like artificial flavors, you know, like so like when you take out artificial sweeteners and you have some fruit, you're like, oh my God, have you guys had fruit before? It's so sweet. Oh my gosh. Exactly.

It was a very similar experience when, you know, switching my phone to grayscale. I switched my son's switch to grayscale also. He still doesn't care. He likes playing it a lot, but it is a lot more annoying because you can't, you get, you don't get all the same like, um, like experience with it. And it just makes it a little bit more boring. Yeah. Which is a great idea. Yeah.

I love that idea. Do you have some of these? No. Do you want them? They're EMR tech. Yeah. Can I try those? Those are the yellows.

I've been wanting to see. Yeah, these are the yellows. Yes. I've been wanting to see what his other frames are like. We got a lot of artificial light beaming around in here. Jack already yelled at us about that. We got to get outside with the podcast. Maybe next here. Jack already yelled at us about that. We got to be on the side with the podcast. Maybe next year.

Yeah. Working towards it. Oh, yeah. Those are nice. Okay. There we go. I'm going to switch to these. Those are good.

Upgrade. Yep. All right. Good. Let's switch gears a little bit and talk a little bit about maybe get nuance about like vitamins and minerals, not necessarily supplements. We can talk about those maybe later, but vitamins and minerals. You hear people talking about taking vitamins quite a bit.

It sounds like a health conscious effort by a lot of folks. Like a lot of people are like, oh, I think I could have more vitamin C. I think that will do something for my immune system or whatever it is they heard, the narrative they heard, and they go out and they purchase some of these vitamins and minerals. What are some of your guys' thoughts? What have you guys seen? Because you guys have a family practice, a holistic family practice, right? Where you're actually dealing with clients on a day-to-day basis. So what have you seen with people taking kind of more standard vitamins and minerals? Yeah, great question. So I've been selling supplements now for over nine years and I do all supplements. So not only do

I do vitamins and minerals, I also do herbs and homeopathy. So a big range there. And I can tell you that just working, there's a lot of good things in theory. You get these functional medicine doctors that are like, oh, take glutathione and take N neck and take all this stuff. And, you know, in my own observation, none of that stuff has worked for me. What works for me is getting the food right. And then you can support the body with herbs. That's really the key. Like the herbs are secondary, but if you don't have your food right, nothing's going to work. So I believe that everything is energy. Everything has an energy code to it, an energy signature. And the food, the way that you absorb it is the energy signature that nature provided for you. When you go try to take those vitamins,

minerals, and you synthetically make them in a lab, even if it's a good, quote unquote, like we work with some really high standard quality supplement brands. Even those guys, you cannot reproduce the energy that comes in food with the substance. So it's in the exact right amounts the way it should be if you get it through food. and all the electrolyte drinks and they're taking all this stuff that their functional doc put them on. And right away, they're like, I'm just gonna go off all of it. I think they feel like when they get more in alignment with why they're doing what they're doing,

they understand what food does in their body and they meet it with, I'm just gonna clear my system out of all this chaos that's around me and I'm gonna start with the food. And that is where you see success. I just had a girl on this morning, my Zoom, and she had had, she was in like an explosion, literally got such a severe brain injury that she got a stroke from it. And so for

years, she's been trying to rebuild her arm strength and her muscles because everything atrophied, right? She had no strength in anything. And so she's doing dexascan. She's working with all like 20 holistic practitioners on this. Nothing's working for her. She gets in my program. This in for years. I mean, we're not talking like six months. We're talking like 10 years. Yeah. And she's just like at a loss. She does everything. She sells saunas, infrared saunas. So she's a big health guru herself. And she gets in my program. And after six weeks, they're already seeing that muscle growth start to come back.

And she was on all kinds of supplements, everything you could ever think of for years. And nothing ever worked for her. She needed protein. She said she measured. This was interesting because I heard this while she was talking. When she started, she had four inches difference in her, in the size of her arms. So like one size, I forget which side it was left or right. One side was four inches bigger, like American circumference.

And she said that in six weeks, it has diminished to a point, a half an inch difference. That's how much change when she finally addressed the root cause, which was she needed, she needed, she didn't need another vitamin, you know, D supplement. She didn't need, you know, like andrographis. She didn't need another vitamin D supplement. She didn't need angiographs. She didn't need echinacea. She needed protein. Is that because of neurotransmitters maybe? What do you think the mechanism is behind? I mean, obviously like muscle growth and protein, we know they go together. So exactly. That's exactly what it is. Almost every woman is protein deficient and they just don't even know it.

They've been eating really moderate amounts of protein on occasion and their muscles are just weak. They don't have the ability to repair. Just from some context, how much was she weighing? How much do you think she was eating in terms of protein before? And what did you guys bring her up to? I bet you the average girl that comes in, the average woman that joins our program, I bet. Now, we haven't measured this. I haven't done an intake form on it.

So this is a little bit of a guess, but it's an educated one. I'd say they're between 40 and 60 grams of protein a day in a lot of its plant. Yeah. So Jen, who is the girl we're talking about, she was eating, I believe, around 60 grams of protein probably on a good day, maybe. I believe around 60 grams of protein, probably on a good day, maybe. And we bumped her up to 120 plus is what the range is for her height and where she's at and how much weight she wants to lose. And like Tom told you, the results, I mean, it's just outstanding, completely changed her life.

No supplement could do that. Where do some of the supplements come from? You know, when we get vitamin D or vitamin C and vitamin B and like we get all these vitamins and nutrients from stuff, but like where is it extracted from? Like where are these companies grabbing stuff from? Yeah. So that you have to be really careful with because there's a lot of companies that are extracting it from chemicals from China.

So we get, you know, they try to use coal tar and pull folic acid out of it, you know? So it's, it's incredibly toxic if you're just going out there, winging it and picking whatever you want to pick up GNC or Walgreens or whatever. Like I would never do that. I would have a lot of heavy metals. Oh, it's terrible. I mean, just garbage junk in those supplements. But if you're going for a really high quality supplement company, they really do their due diligence. You want to find ones that are as whole food based as possible that are trying to get it in the amounts that you absorb it through your food because it's really about the amounts. And yes, they're going to be acquiring it in ways that they get it through the food, but the amounts are really critical

because you can go toxic on vitamin D. You can go toxic on vitamin C. So it's all about, when you're eating a high carb diet, you need a lot more vitamin C. When you're not, you need way less. So it's all about the amount you're taking. Maybe that's why the carbs and the vitamin C

come together in nature. Correct. Right. Exactly. Can I ask you something? When you say go toxic, what amounts would you guys say would have somebody actually have that happen to them? Would it be a lot? Would it be depending on the person?

Yes. So first of all, maybe for scoping this, would you say, and you're the expert more than me, is most of the things you need to worry about are the fat-soluble vitamins. The ones that are water-soluble, most of the time your body can just flush them out in urine. So the fat-soluble vitamins are A, D, E, and K. That's where you got to kind of pay a little bit more attention. And you got to kind of ignore your body pretty hard to really go toxic, but it's possible. There's a lot of people that are really ignoring their bodies, but maybe you want to. Well, a lot of people through COVID, for example, this is a good example. So through

COVID they went and they got on all these zinc supplements and all these vitamin D supplements. And what I saw in my practice with people coming in as they were, you know, they were going copper deficient because their zinc was out of balance or they were vitamin D toxic. So their joints were hurting. They were feeling, they were coming in there like, I feel like I'm 80 years old. I'm like, well, how much vitamin D are you doing? And we add up their vitamin D and they're taking 20,000 units a day. And I'm like, that's too much. You're toxic right now. So this kind of stuff might not throw people off to the point where they can totally see it or understand it. But sure enough, their T3 and T4 is

way messed up and all these other things that are in our body that are supposed to keep us kind of naturally regulated energy wise are probably thrown off a little bit. And the, I think the big thing, you know, that we can talk about like the details and the science and the, you know, what's toxic, but I think the, the, the whole point of who we are is because of this exact conversation, which is everybody gets in a room and we talk about like what the toxic and what's the load and what's the amount here. And we, our bodies, our brains weren't designed to do any of this. That's the whole thing, right? That's, that's really the central tenant of what we believe. You know, we believe in, in going back

to nature and using nature as the guide for what is going to directing us on what to do, because we can talk all day about, um, you know, this study says this, and this study says that, and there's a lot of conflicting information. I think, you know, there's a lot of conversation around the conflicting information that people like to talk about it, but we, we aren't designed to do any of this. We shouldn't have to. And we have women that join our program that are like, well, what's this going to do to my cortisol levels? Do I need to get my T4 checked? Do I need to get this checked? And it's like, ladies, like I understand that's your framework. I understand that's your paradigm right now.

It's the wrong one. I love you, but it's the wrong one. You're already too late. You're already too far. You've gotten to the point where your genes have expressed poorly because your environment's been effed for way too long. We're looking at the T3 and T4 because we have medication for it probably, right? Exactly. We're looking at the T3 and T4 because we have medication for it probably, right? Yeah, exactly. But you're already in the realm of your genes poorly expressing because your environment's

been poor. But we shouldn't have to manage our environment. We should just live in our environment, right? So that's the primal bod thing. That's what I always want to get back to is, yeah, all day long, we can talk about the details and the science and the facts, but we need to think higher level here. It's because we're not designed to have to figure this out. This should just all fall into place. Quick question, because I know we're going to be moving forward off of this vitamin D topic,

but a bunch of y'all probably got free vitamin D from AG1 or Athletic Greens. Is there any context where someone should be taking exogenous vitamin D or is it just go get fucking sun? Yeah. Okay. Yes. I love this question because it is, so vitamin D is the one. If you're going to say,

I don't want to take anything, you absolutely need to be taking vitamin D. Unless you're living with Jack in, you know, El Salvador. Make me sweat. On a boat with him listening to Metallica. Right.

Oh, yeah. So if you're not living at that level where you can get out and get into the sun at all times or practice like he says the Vikings do, you know, and go get the cold instead of the sun so you can make your own light, that you absolutely need to be taking vitamin D. It will change everything for you. So in my program, we only recommend three supplements. That's it. I recommend fish oil, vitamin D, and iodine because those are the things that we don't get enough in our diet. It's just, we live in the modern world. We're not living in Greece, eating fresh sardines out of the sea, soaking in the sunlight, living at one with our world around us. We're not doing that. So yes, that vitamin D is huge. I had to lecture my ladies about it this morning on Zoom. I said, you guys need to be taking vitamin D. What happens when they lower their vitamin D is their hormones tank. Their hormones take, and then they start getting menopausal symptoms. They're waking up at hot flashes in the middle of the night.

I'm like, what are you doing vitamin D? Well, no, and they forget about it. Well, get in. I'll tell them to go to the tanning bed too, which I know I'm probably gonna get shit about that right now saying that, but I tell them your body will make, the light from the tanning bed is synthetic.

So it's not great, but we live in a modern world and it's better than nothing. You gotta do something because we really should be closer to the sun than we are. Yeah. Don't go and get burnt from the tanning bed, but some UVA, some UVB lights can be beneficial, but if you're really fair skinned, be super cautious. Only go in that bad boy for a couple of minutes because you're going to get fried. That's the whole thing is thing is don't get burnt.

Just be smart enough to not get burnt. You build up your solar callus. You got to be able to go in the sun, be able to stay there. Where Tom and I were in Puerto Rico, we were in the sun all day long. The other key is don't wear sunglasses. If you want to go out in the sun, you don't want to get burnt. Don't wear sunglasses. It's part of the thing.

Yeah. What's with the old sunscreen? We hear a lot about that. Yeah. Well, our ancestors didn't have sunscreen, right? Our ancestors didn't have sunglasses. Our ancestors didn't. We just did a post yesterday.

Our ancestors didn't walk into a Jamba Juice and carb load in an acai bowl with granola and honey. Right? So these are the things that just don't. Those things are delicious. I know. I know. They're delicious. And look, it's 80, 20. Once you're happy with your body, it's 80, 20, live your life. You know, you, you don't have to live in a cave to have a primal bot, right? But you gotta be, you gotta be smart. You know, the, your environment, we think about

like the environment around us. And when I say environment, people think, oh, that's where I live. It's not what I mean by environment is it's your epigenetics, all the factors that are influencing the expression of your genes, that's your environment. And so, um, so we, you know, you shouldn't have to, uh, manage those in, in detail, but you should know which ones are 80, 20, which ones do you, you push a little bit and you get a really kick-ass response and which ones like you've got, we got women that are like, well, I'm having this and this and this, and I got this and this problems. And my doctor says this, and I think it's the hydrogen water, you know, it's, it's not, it's like, that's a little tiny one, you know, but it's, your nutrition's a big one. Your sunlight's huge. Like Jack says, you know,

getting, being, being, I will tell you when we, when we shut our lights off at night and we, we turned, we, we started doing this since we've been following Jack, we turned all of our lights off at night. And I will tell you having darkness at night is another huge one. Oh yeah. So, you know, managing that, that, those pieces of your environment, like that's, that's when life gets really easy. Question. Would you guys not even use like those red light bulbs or you just, you go dark? So, you know, what's interesting, I'm type one diabetic. So he told me, and we, the conversation, we had a consult with him. So the conversation we had was, was geared around type one diabetes. And he, he, his thing was, you know, and I won't put words in his mouth, but high level

was type one diabetes is often a, a blue light toxicity problem, right? Because look at India all of a sudden has produced the most number of type one diabetics in the world. And what did they just do? Right. In the last 30 years, everybody's indoors at a call center now. I think it's like Norway or Sweden or something. It's crazy. They're all on their Apple computers. So his guidance, his guidance to me was, I don't even want you in front of a fire at night. That was to me because

I'm, because I'm extra, you know, like I'm, I'm, I'm maybe, yeah, I may be more blue light toxic than most, but he said, you know, a candlelight's fine, this and that. Now we, you know, look, you gotta, life's his life, right? So we put red light bulbs in, we put them on a dimmer switch, we dim them down to as far as possible and only in the rooms where you need to see a little bit, but we try to keep it as dim as possible. And I'll tell you like, yeah, it's really important for diabetes, but it is really great for every other, I mean, you fall asleep like a rock and you wake up rested. It was a huge difference. So there's, those are those, like, you fall asleep like a rock and you wake up rested. Yeah. It was a huge difference. So there's, those are those, like, that's what I was saying. Like, those are those

little things, like you got to know where to push and where you're just spinning your wheels. Yeah. I think, uh, with the vitamin D, uh, thing, people can look stuff up and you can find a lot of it in your food too. So if you don't want to supplement it, you might be able to find it through your food or maybe a combination might work really well for some people. I think I steamrolled your question about sunscreen. Why don't you answer the sunscreen one so I don't go on another rant? Well, I mean, what are you doing when you put sunscreen on? For one thing, most of the sunscreen is just toxic in general.

It's just full of chemicals. Junk in there, yeah. Yeah. And the other part of that is you're just blocking the sun. We all need the sun. That's how we build our redox. That's how our mitochondria get the signal for our bodies to do what it's supposed to do in harmony with nature because doesn't the sun dictate everything on our planet? It dictates everything. So we need

to get that energetic message from the sun programmed into us. If we are all sunscreened up, that's not coming through. So you guys have, you guys have children. Um, what are some ways that you protect them from the sun? Cause I know some parents are probably like, well, what the hell do I do with my kid if we're out on the beach all day? You retreat. I mean, you retreat, like you don't, you don't go, you don't put them out day one in the harshest sun. I mean, that's the, you gotta be smart, right? Like you can't just be like, oh, I'm just going to, you know, here's my kid without sunscreen on and we're going to go down to Cancun and day one, you know, but you build a, like you I'm just going to, here's my kid without sunscreen on and we're going to go down to Cancun and day one.

But you build, like Candy was saying, you build a solar callus by being exposed to all the light throughout the day. And the morning is actually really important to start building that solar callus. And as your eyes start to see the sun, it develops the melanin, which prevents you from getting sunburn. And so when you wear the sunglasses, you don't get that. So get the kids out there in the morning when the sun's rising. Get them out from, if it's the middle of the summer, get them out there from six to nine,

six to 10 in the morning, put them under a tent, have them build a sandcastle under a 90% UV blocker or whatever, and then let them go back out at three o'clock. You can go on your phone and look at the UV index by hour. Don't let them be out when it's freaking a nine out of 10 on the UV index, right? Nobody wants to do that really typically anyways. Or they're in the water swimming. At a certain point, it doesn't feel comfortable.

Right. And naturally, what do the animals do? They go find the shade. So that's what we should- In Puerto Rico, we went from day one, I got a little pink, right? And I was out there only for like 20 minutes during the peak time.

And by day, it was like 18 or so we were out and I was, um, we could be out a 100% of the time without getting sunburned in, in two and a half weeks, we developed a complete solar callus to Puerto Rico, which is 18th degree latitude. So that's how fast that can happen. Now very Northern, Northern European skin, like I burn pretty easy. Right. So, um, it, it doesn't take as, as long as, as long as most people think, but yeah, you gotta be smart about it. Natural progression of this idea I have for you guys, because, uh, when someone hears, you know, no, no sunscreen, how about skin cancer? What's, what's going on with that? So, so what is, what is the deal with people thinking the sun or too much sun will end up giving them skin cancer? So are we getting into conspiracies now, my friend? Yeah, I mean, I think that it's been part of the story. It's been part of the story to put fear in us, to avoid the things

that naturally make us strong. That's my firm belief and opinion on it. And if you look at the studies, actually what they found is skin cancer is greatly related to a vitamin D deficiency. Your skin is an organ. Your skin is an organ and that's where you make your melanin. I mean, that should be number one top of mind. I got to get my body in the sun your melanin. I mean, that is like, that should be number one, top of mind. I got to get my body in the sun because melanin is one of the most healing substances we make in our body outside of melatonin. But definitely you got to step back and look at the reality of it, which is what Tom said. We lived in the sun for thousands of years, happily, before any of

this happened. So skin is affected by food and chemicals and the environment and EMFs and blue light. So what is it that we're doing in our environment that now all of a sudden we're seeing this bigger progression of skin cancer where we didn't have it before? So is it the blue light? But also our ancestors didn't have airplanes either, right? So it wasn't easy to go from where we are, 43rd latitude in Madison, Wisconsin. You couldn't just do that in, what is it, nine hours on a plane to get down to Puerto Rico, right? So naturally, if we would have been moving and roaming, right? Just like travelers on a road, like the Oregon Trail style, right? Just walking. We on a road, like the Oregon trail style,

right? Just walking. We would have had time to build that solar callus, right? Because we'd have dropped a latitude, you know, had degree of latitude every three days. And so you, you ease into it. And then, you know, there's, there's some differences in, in ethnicity and skin types and haploid, maternal haplogroups and mitochondria, which I know you guys talked about with Jack. And so there's some relevant differences there, but. You're bringing back trauma. You got to quit bringing Jack up jack you keep name dropping jack my dad's side you don't know what you're talking about you just outed yourself it's just top of mind because we just watched that we were cracking up so yeah yeah what was great is that uh he was making fun of us even though he

couldn't see us he admitted in the beginning of the show though he couldn't see us. He admitted in the beginning of the show that he couldn't see us. And he kept calling us meatheads. Our first, I know when I saw the podcast come up. I know he speaks that way, so I was used to it. He does. So when I saw the podcast come up, I'm like, oh, this is going to be great.

I got to watch this. But our first meeting with him, we sat down in front of the computer. It's supposed to be a Zoom, you know? And he's like, don't turn your camera on because then I won't have a good signal. We're like, okay. And so I introduced myself and I say, I'm a nutritionist? And he's like, don't turn your camera on because then I won't have a good signal. We're like, okay. And so I, he's, I introduced myself and I say,

I'm a nutritionist. And he goes, I'm sorry. All right. So y'all dealt with it too. Okay. Oh yeah, for sure. I feel better. We still love him though. I mean, I appreciate, I don't, you know, he said what nutrition is like number six on his list. Okay. So here's the story with my story. Okay. So he says that and it's like, yeah, but. Right. But have you seen all the people living in the sun all day, day in and out? And they're eating all the freaking junk sugary stuff.

Like you go to Puerto Rico, those guys are in the sun constantly and they're still fat. They're still fat, but they're eating these, they're drinking these huge flavored drinks. They're eating all this, you know, carb constantly, feeding themselves with carbs. So my story is basically how the whole Primal Bod got started was Tom and his insulin. I wanted to stabilize his blood sugar being type one diabetic. And I was like, listen, I'm like, we got to figure this out. Like, this is BS. I was eating a whole foods diet. What I was telling everybody else to eat in my office, which was basically, you know, healthy carbs in moderation, good animal grass fed, you know, wild protein and healthy fats. And that's what I was telling everybody to eat for like nine years, right? Well, nobody lost weight,

including myself. And every year I'm gaining more and more weight. And so I just kind of threw in the towel. I'm like, I'm an herbalist. I do homeopathy. Like I just help people with supplements. That's what I do. I don't know anything about weight loss. Threw in the towel on it, was done trying to figure it out. Did 75 hard, you know, had no change in my body whatsoever.

I was exhausted by the end of it. I did the Tony Horton P90X for one of my workouts for P90, right? So I wasn't just, you know, pussing out on it. I really tried. And then Tom's blood sugar was all over the place. So we were kind of newlyweds at the time and had just gotten together. And I wasn't used to being with type 1 diabetic because it's scary. If he gives himself too much insulin, we got to have a freaking glucagon shot ready to

go to get his blood sugar up right so what happened was yeah that's me in the 2021 great transformation so what happened was i was like we just got to get your blood sugar stable and the food i was cooking him which was a delicious food wasn't helping i mean it was a disaster and i said okay so what do you want to do what do we need to to do for you? And he's like, I need to eat meat and vegetables. And I said, okay. I mean, I knew I went through Nutrition School. I'm board certified. I knew it was sugar handling issue. So I was like, okay, let's just do that. So we started just with meat and vegetables and I started watching what fat did to his insulin and his response and what protein did and what vegetables did. And I started just kind of

figuring out like, how's this all working? And being really interested in cellular biology, the nutrition school I went through, we had to learn the Krebs cycle. So it was like, no joke. Like Dr. Mercola was in the first graduating class of that school. So I went through one of the most prestigious schools in the country. And so I'm like, okay, this is good. We're getting it pretty good, but I want to really stabilize it. And for type one diabetic, you want them to fall between what, the 100, 120 range, honey, for blood sugar? So we wanted to get him there and he was at like 150. And so I kept maneuvering the amount of fat and the amount of protein and maneuvering when he was eating based off his movement and just really working at one with the

insulin because he has to give himself synthetic insulin. So I got to see firsthand what a ribeye steak does to his blood sugar. You get these people that are on their continuous glucose monitors and they message me like, they're like, well, I eat apples or whatever. My blood sugar is fine. And I'm like, yeah, right now it is. But in 15 years from now, it might not be. Your body produces insulin. So you're not going to see that on your continuous glucose monitor. His body doesn't produce insulin. So when he eats a ribeye and his blood sugar goes up to 300 out of nowhere, we know that

that's the meat. You know, that's what's causing it, the meat and the fat. So I started working with it, just narrowing it in. And after a month, I stood on the scale and I was down 13 pounds. I was doing everything he was doing. Okay. And I hadn't, I hadn't done, I had actually done less exercise. Less working out.

What did you do differently? Instead of the ribeyes where you're doing something different? Yeah, it was, it was just working with the insulin. You can eat a ribeye if you're very insulin sensitive and you're moving your ass when you're done eating it. I see. And you're not full when you start. Also, insulin is a circadian hormone. So it's most sensitive in the morning.

We're not sensitive at night because we shouldn't be eating anymore at night. So it was all about the eating windows. And there was a lot of days where I couldn't get my first meal until like one o'clock because I'm just busy, right? And then I'd go home and I'd eat dinner at seven o'clock and it was just completely screwing with my circadian hormones. My melatonin couldn't come out. I couldn't sleep well because anytime you have insulin leveled up in your body, your

melatonin is not going to come out. Just like the blue light too blocks you from getting that melatonin, that deep restful sleep. So then I was like, okay, this is crazy. I started researching how leptin works. I started looking at Jack's leptin prescription and researching how leptin work. And I started realizing insulin, insulin rules everything. It is the master hormone of all strains, especially in women, because women are built for survival. We have to pass on the mitochondria. Okay. So we have to survive any circumstance. So we are extra fat storing machines. Also we produce estrogen, which is fat storing. You guys have testosterone. You're lucky. You're fat. You're muscle building. You're fat burning.

But as women, we're fat storing because we, fat is so important to our hormones. As you know, I watched your, had a bulk and carnivore video and you say, I made my girls watch that video. And you said in there perfectly, you said, don't drop your fat too low or you'll fuck up your hormones. It's the truth.

So our bodies need that lipid molecule to take cholesterol to where it needs to go in the body. And so as women, we need cholesterol. We need to build our hormones, our stress and sex hormones. And when we start messing around with that, what happens is our body just become ultra-fat storing machines. If we're in any kind of stress, if we're eating copious amounts of carbs, our body's going to turn that into fat because fat is the diamond of the body. It is our most valuable asset because we can survive anything if we have enough fat on our body,

if we go through famine, whatever it is. And our bodies don't know if the stress we face when we're in a fight with our neighbor versus the stress of a famine. It doesn't know the difference between that. So what we do is we work on making the body happy. If you can get the body into parasympathetic mode, which is rest and relax, and you can keep, especially for women, and you can keep it there, it'll start dropping weight. You'll start letting go because a lot of girls come in, they've been on keto, they've been on carnivore, no success because they've screwed their metabolisms up. They've been too high with their ketones. They haven't eaten enough glucose

and their body has this barometer in it, which is like, okay, we are going to survive. And if you don't give us what we need to survive, which is glucose and fat, then we're gonna tank your thyroid and slow everything down to preserve, to last the long haul. So that's really the secret and the gold of what we do in our program is we help support the body so it can heal from metabolic damage because that's what most women have. But I kind of got down the rabbit hole there. because that's what most women have, but I kind of got down the rabbit hole there, but all in all,

you know, the fat and protein ratios, they're different for men as they are women. They're, they're just different. Like women need fat when we need fat and we don't need fat when we don't need fat and having an, uh, a right amount of fat in your body is all, like dietary fat is all connected to insulin and how your insulin's working. You can do more fat if your insulin's working really well. If you ever wanted to start a podcast or take your podcast to the next level, I have something very special for you. I am thrilled to announce Full-Time Podcaster, the online podcasting course, is now at pursuepodcasting.com. If you want to learn all of the ins and outs of how to start a podcast, how to grow a podcast, how to book people on your podcast, Full-Time Podcaster is for you. Everything I've learned over the last thousand episodes, over 80 million views and downloads is all in this course in a very easy

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Should we, should you have to go through them a little bit? I don't know. Yeah. Great question. So the menopause thing for me, your hormones are your fountain of youth. Like why would you want menopause? I get all these women that are like, I can't wait to go through menopause. Why? It's going to age you faster, right? You want to keep your period for as long as possible. That's my opinion. In my opinion, I don't want to be in menopause until I'm like 60, right? I feel like that's a good time. I want to continue with my period through till I'm about 60 years old. So, you know, my girls come in and they're like 52, 53, and they haven't had a period for a year, year and a half. They get on the program and their periods come back. And they're not pissed because I educate them. I'm like, listen, ladies, this is your fountain of youth. This is what's going to keep your bones young, your muscle on your body. You want to have your period still. And the reason you're having it is because your hormones are back up.

Your hormones are working. When your estrogen goes down, your ability to absorb calcium gets inhibited, right? Right. But they're still suffering with the poor hormone function because their adrenals are zapped, right? Right. And so, but they're still suffering with the poor hormone function because their adrenals are zapped, right? Because after you go through menopause, your adrenals make all your hormones. And so their adrenals are zapped from drinking way too much coffee and having way too much stress. Coffee's a big one. I tell all my women, try to get off coffee. If you want to have a sex drive after 40, stop fucking drinking coffee because it's destroying your sex hormones. Like it's doing everything wrong. Decaf. Okay. Cause

I switched to that a while back. That's decaf by the way. Great. Um, yeah, I mean, decaf is better. It's, it is better, but ultimately I want them to be free and clear of any, anything that's going to cause their body harm. And, and you know, the, the partner relationship is a, plays a big part in their hormones to their ability to stay connected to their partner. Cause you release pheromones when you have moments, right? So if you're just dried up on your phone all day, playing TikTok and not paying attention to your husband, you're going up right i mean that's what happens i see these women and they're just spaced out on tiktok and doing you know just dried up they just will get dried up because they're not using it it goes away we need to have women on the show more often i think this is great tell tell them tell them

about um uh the your proclivity to choose a certain partner when you're on birth control versus not. This is interesting with birth control and what it does to what you find attractive. So we may have less control over our desires than we think we do. We might not be as autonomous as we think we are. It's a little bit like a guy being drunk, maybe. Right. So our pickers off when we take birth control, this is actually a study they did. And they found that women who are on birth control choose mates who are more like their DNA. So they'd be more like a brother to them, right? So it's not their brother and genetically they're not the same, right? But they find weaker mates. And so the girls that are not on birth control find stronger mates, which tend to be the more bad boy type of

men. And so they choose that because that genetic mismatch there will create a stronger gene in the child. Because the closer you get with your genes together and in harmony, and it's all energy, right? It's all energy. Like if you have two subdued people together, what are you going to have? A subdued child. So that's the whole key to it is these synthetic birth control are the fragrances, the plastic, all of these endocrine disruptors, they're tanking our pickers. We don't have good pickers now. We can't pick the right mate for us. And what a great recipe for divorce.

You get on birth control, you pick your partner, and then you want to have a kid, and now you fucking hate them, right? Because they're the opposite of what you really want. It happened to me in my first marriage. I was on birth control. We had my son, and then immediately after I went off birth control, I was nursing him and I was like, I'm on a divorce. You got the ick immediately. Yep. I want a divorce now. And that's, we weren't, you know, we weren't right for each other. So yeah, it's, it's crazy to think of the influences that are messing with us. And it is,

it's all hormonally driven and it affects us minute by minute. You know, I'm curious about this. And this is, this in and of itself is probably going to be super long, so we don't need to spend too much time on this, but with birth control, right? Like it's good that more of the, more of the ways that it's actually harming women is coming out. But at the same time, I wonder like, you know, At the same time, I wonder like, you know, people in poor economic areas, right? Where, you know, you would like it if kids just like maybe used protection and they were more responsible with that because kids are going to have sex and they're going to have sex. But at the same time, they don't.

And when somebody, a 17 or 16 year old ends up with a kid, it's like, it's not easy. So what do you think should be some education behind this? Because like, that's just not a situation anybody wants to be in. And then there's the religious aspect too. If a 17 year old or 18 year old girl has a kid and the parents are super religious and like, you cannot get rid of this. It's a whole fucking horrible situation, right? The thing that caused human human population to explode which was really convenient which is that we're super horny and we reproduce like rabbits yeah yeah it is really inconvenient now because we have now we are getting into a point where exactly this

problem is real right so i mean yeah it's it's i would say it all goes back to parenting you know it's it the parents have to take control of their child's desire to have sex. And, and really it's just like, you're teaching your kid to drive, right? They have to go through driver's ed and then you, you allow them on the road with this, how many pound thousands of pound weapon basically. Right. So right now we have, you know, you go into the education system and it's basically worthless, but you know, you have sex ed and it's like, they're not teaching them shit.

They're not really understanding. And that's where some of the values, like the Christians, their values of don't have sex until you're married. Some of those values, whatever religion you are, whatever you choose, that needs to be brought back in. But I'll tell you, I had a lot of friends that had kids when they were 16 and 17 and nothing will shake you to the core like being a mom when you're 16 years old. Man, those women drive hard because they understand right away what they should be doing. And naturally, that's about the age we should reproduce. Culture has told us no. Yeah. But ultimately, I'm a young mom. I was 20 when I had my oldest son.

So I was young. And I love it because he's going to now carry on the generation. And I'm young enough that I can now support the raising of my grandchildren when I have them. He's getting old for me. He's like 23 now. And I'm like, no girlfriend. And I'm like, oh, buddy, you better start on it because clacks a ticket. And like, I have vital energy and I have to take these grandkids around with me everywhere. And I want to raise them. I want to help you raise them. I want to help your wife raise them. Cause that's my role. It's it. And it's a little bit sidestepping the question, but a little bit, not like the, again, the, the primal thing, the primal bod thing is, is we got to reconnect that generational link

of wisdom and that knowledge transfer that used to be there, right? Like before we had media and phones and all this distraction, like now how much are kids learning from their parents now, right? Like, you know, as a, as a percentage of what that used to be, right? I mean, it used to be that what, what parents did, the kids did, and that was that, right? That's how you survive. We've broken that link and that, that link. Yeah. There's certain, there's certain things about it. Like, yeah, you like, you don't need that anymore. You know, you know, we don't need to know, you know, the, to the, the, the routine to keep the, the, the, um, the lamp lit in that, the, you know, at the middle of the night anymore, that's not that big

of a deal, but, but some of those things like, um, you know, that like, like Candy was saying with, um, with those values, right. We've lost the generational link of those values and that wisdom. And that's what we got to get back to. And just, you got to look, look at things from a broader perspective, right? Like we weren't designed to live in this kind of world. So we got to look back and go, okay, what, what was the group, the blueprint? What was the template of what it should have been like? And that's what we got to try to imitate again. Right. And, and it comes down to, and even a little bit further is the, the decentralization of education. And you were talking about educating our kids, you know, we've centralized education. And so what does that do now? Everybody, but, but,

but the general, it's a general with a thousand soldiers model. Now all the soldiers are just completely controlled. And so they have no autonomy and they have no interest in helping because they're just told what to do. When you give people autonomy, you give them interest and drive to help people. So we had to decentralize these systems in order to bring this power back to people and people to take their power back from their doctors, from their whatever. You're in control of your family. You're in control of your health. Stop giving that fucking power away. Something that you mentioned in one of your talks, and I just never even thought about it. And so I think it's important that we try to examine where the health information that you're getting is coming from, you know, and try to go a couple layers deep before you make a decision.

Because you mentioned the pharmaceutical sales reps are the ones informing the doctors on what these things do and what these pharmaceuticals do. That is absolutely insane. Those people- With no background. I'm sure maybe some of them are very smart. Maybe some of them do have a background, but it's probably very rare. And they probably just learned it themselves at some conference. And then now they're telling the doctor and now the doctor is telling you, oh, you're in luck. Your cholesterol is high here. We have this, you know, there's 14 different options for you to choose from.

And the centralized head of the network of doctors is encouraging that too, right? So it's coming from both ways. It's not just the sales rep, it's the centralization. There's way too much money involved for there not to be incentives for that. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, and I think that right now is so perfect after we went through COVID and all the BS. It's like people are finally starting to wake up and go, holy shit, there's no one out there for me. I got to do my own work, which is exactly where it should be. You do have to do your own work. I have a gal in my,

in my group right now, and she's, and I have a lot of healthcare professionals that take my course. And she's an MRI tech professor. So she teaches MRI techs how to use the machine. And she's like, Candy, I mean, she went through all the anatomy, physiology, everything. She's like, I never learned it the way you teach it. And she said, you couldn't be more right on about all of this stuff. She said that the whole system is set up to take money. That's all it is. It's all set up to take money.

And the doctors will get on and post on my Instagram feed. And they're like, you're right. Like, don't look to us for, you know, health care. We're not. We're sick care. This is what we do. We get you when you're sick and we can save your life. We can keep you alive. You know, that's what they're doing right now. And, and it's sad because most doctors get into it and they want to, you know, they want to help people and they end up causing more harm than good. Cause no harm is like rule number one. Yeah. And it's so sad because almost all of them have really good intentions. I love doctors. I always thank them for their

service because they're not thanked enough. And I'm like, you guys are out there trying, but the whole problem is the education system. It's bought and paid for by big pharma, trillion dollar criminal enterprise. What you got going on over there, Andrew? Yeah. I wanted to go back quickly because you were talking about how like you actually bring periods back into women's lives. As mature as I can be with this topic because I have no clue on any of it. But just like when I researched diapers for my son, I'm like, okay, why is there a scent in these diapers? Like why is there so much ink in these diapers? I do not want that around my son's junk.

I have my wife and I have my daughter who both are mature enough to go through their periods. And so like when that time of the month does come around, do you have any recommendations for like proper, I don't even know what the hell you call it down there to help with, you know, again, with that time of the month. Yes. So period underwear. They are the best. So, you know, you can buy organic pads. You can buy silicone inserts, you know, plugs and tampons and whatever. I don't like having to stick anything up there.

I think that that is actually will mess with your, you know, meridians. I couldn't help it i thought i was like i gotta say it i prompted it i set it up to be like as mature as we can and there we go it was always going there yeah that's perfect so anything unnatural um i don't like you know andons, even if they're organic cotton, that's still not, don't be doing that. In my opinion, I believe that the, like, if you can find a good pair of organic period underwear, they sell them all over now. That's the best because you're just letting everything come out. It's just more natural. That's what they used to do in the pioneer days, right? They just put cloth down there and wearing a pad is okay, but it's not very pleasant as a woman. It's just like, nobody really likes wearing one. They're

bulky. They just get sweat. They make you feel sweaty. So the period underwear are the best of the way to go. I'm also curious about this since we're on this topic. I heard some women say like, my period is rough and I can't actually wait to stop for this to actually stop. And that's why some of them actually like birth control because maybe it doesn't give, right? So in those situations for women who have rougher periods, I mean, what's your advice there? Hormones. And typically what I tell my girls is it usually is always connected back to a high insulin environment. I tell my girls is it usually is always connected back to a high insulin environment because endometriosis, polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is really diabetes of the ovaries, and fibroid,

cysts, polyps, all of that stuff, skin tags, that's all connected back to too much insulin in your body. So what we see, we have a girl in our group, her name's Allison, and she had endometriosis. She had polycystic ovarian syndrome. She was hospitalized. She went without her period for a year and her kids are teenagers. She's nowhere near menopause. And she came into my group. She'd been vegan for many years. And she's like, I know my body needs this. I just keep getting the message. And so she joined in and within six weeks, she started getting her period again. And she had a picture, which I show in my class that I do. Her stomach was bloated like she was eight months pregnant.

And now her stomach is flat, flat as mine, flat as a rail. She had a picture on Facebook of her in a sports bra and her jeans. And her stomach is flat as a rail after 10 weeks of working with our insulin. So her bloating was from her endometriosis. It was from her polycystic ovarian syndrome. It was just a huge pregnant, not pregnant belly. So step back, right? So the idea is, is like with rare exception, your body's not broken, right? There's this belief that like, oh, I'm broken. No, you're not. So I always point to epigenetics environments, epigenetic environment again, right? So I always go back to this because this is how, if we want to take our power back from Big Pharma and everything else, we got to start thinking like this. So right on the American

Cancer Society website. So if you go there, you'll see that it says no more, no more than five to 10% of cancer is purely genetic, right? So what do you get from that, right? Like, oh, okay, interesting. Well, what it really means is that 90 to 95% of cancer comes from your lifestyle, right? And now do you think, do you think it's just cancer or do you think it's pretty much everything, right? So now there's some rare exceptions, Down syndrome, right?

There's some genetic diseases, type one diabetes, right? Like I'm not going to get rid of that necessarily by fixing my environment. But the idea is your body isn't broken, right? So you have, you have your, your original question was, well, you know, the women with the terrible menstrual cycles, but, but that is the same as women with headaches or women with this RA or women like this or women like that. And the discussion needs to get back to you're not broken. Something in your environment is because our genes aren't as different as we want to believe that they are. They aren't. We're 99 point whatever percent the same.

So why are we expressing so differently? Right? And the truth is, is that our environments are all over the place. That's why we're so bio-individual. Our environments are all fucked up. And again, environment isn't just where you're standing. It's the things that are causing your genes to express. So why are we bio-individual? Why are some women dealing with that? Why are some women dealing with migraines, right? Could it be that they're,

is their environment the exact same as theirs? So I like, what I like to do with like a mind game or a mind experiment, you know, we get women on these discovery zooms where they're, you know, asking us questions about what we do and how we can help them. And I say, all right, let's have, just pretend all 60 of you right now, just pretend that we all got transplanted to the most beautiful tropical island that you could ever imagine, right? We're on a beach. We're outside during the day. We're outside during the night. We're sleeping

under the stars, reading perfect fish and food from the island. Nothing's been tainted. Nothing is toxic. Everything is beautiful. Your family's around. Everybody's happy. And look, there's challenges. There should be challenges in life. Humans are great and they're best when they're dealing with challenges. So there's the normal challenges, but stress isn't too much. Of those 60 people, how many are going to get better? Every fucking one of them, right? So it's not that our genes are that much different. It's that our environment is. So if we want to start searching for the things that are causing these problems, like the menstrual cycles, like the headaches, we got to stop with what's wrong with me.

And we got to start with what's wrong with my environment. What's causing my genes to express poorly? Because by the time your genes are expressing poorly, that's too late. That's your body's cry for help. It's a cry for you to change your environment. You should give the hot and cold thing, the hot and cold. So, you know, the game where you play hot and cold with a kid and you hide something in a room and then you direct them to find that object by saying, oh, you're hot, you're close to it, you're on fire, you're on fire. And then they know they're at the spot of the location of the object. So I tell my girls and it's just like that nature.

So if you have good energy, if you have a sex drive, if you're alert, if you're focused, if you're happy, if you're skinny, all those things is nature's way of telling you you're hot, you're on the money. You are in the right spot. Your environment is perfect. Stay there. When you're tired, when you're fatigued, when you're fat, when you're- Menstrual cycles are crazy. Yeah. When you have all these autoimmune conditions, your thyroid's tanked. It's the wrong environment for you. There's something, whether it's the food you're eating,

supplements you're taking, the prescriptions you're taking, the light you're around, the temperature you're in, all of that is affecting your body all the time. We didn't adapt to live in a cave that is synthetic with synthetic light. This isn't where our genes came from. Humans appeared 200,000 to 300,000 years ago, right? Not in this room. We were out in nature, right? And when you go back out in nature, these things clear up. I mean, look at, look at MS, multiple sclerosis. It almost doesn't exist at the equator. I mean, that doesn't tell you something, right? It's not you that's broken. It's your environment. You guys were mentioning, you were mentioning earlier that nutrition ranks pretty high on your high on your list.

What kind of nutrition? And I'm sure maybe it's individualized a little bit, but as you were saying, we're probably all pretty similar. So what do you recommend in terms of nutrition so people don't get it twisted on whether you're carnivore or keto or where you stand? Can I start with this? Yeah. I love the position versus interest conversation. So I think a lot of people pick a position. Almost everybody picks a position. I'm a this or I'm a that or I'm a this. And we are a do what fucking works of ours. will adapt. We don't pick a position because when you pick a position, if something comes up and then something's wrong with that position and you've identified with it, you are incentivized to ignore it. And that's bullshit. That's not scientific. That's not the scientific way.

The scientific way is to keep an open mind and question everything, right? Right now, the evidence eloquently aligns with eating a shit ton more meat. Whether that means you're a carnivore or a ketovore, you dabble between this, you dabble between that, those are the high-hanging fruit. That's not the shit we should be talking about. Our genes, our environment is best when we eat meat, mostly meat. It doesn't have to be all of it. It can be all of it. People get really focused on the wrong question. The right question the right question is, is what kind of environment should I live in? And so when you go down that path of, well, I'm a carnivore or I'm a cutivore or I'm a vegetarian or I'm a vegan, then you defend that position to your end because

you've identified with it. So we do not identify with a diet or a simple way of being. It's always going to be more complicated than that. Right. So I always start with that because that that's the scientific way. And so that's what we follow. We got to be dynamic. We got to be thoughtful here. Right. So now, now, now she's the expert in telling you how, how, how we are, how I believe. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's so true, but Tom and I talk about this all night, but the, the thing is, is humans are opportunistic. That's what it comes down to., is humans are opportunistic. That's what it comes down to. We just are very opportunistic. That's why we are the apex predator.

We just are. And people get on my feet and they're like, oh, you know, humans are omnivores. It's bullshit. So are dogs right now, because you're feeding your fucking carnivore dog sweet potatoes and it's dog food. Okay. So dogs are carnivores and you're feeding it an omnivore diet. Okay. So dogs are carnivores and you're feeding it an omnivore diet. Okay. So bears are omnivores, right? And they're in the canine family.

So yes, do I believe humans are carnivores? Absolutely. Can we go eat other stuff? Absolutely. Because we're opportunistic. We find opportunity. It's all about survival. That's why I go back to insulin constantly because insulin is a survival hormone. It is a master fat storing survival hormone. So it all centers around that. But yes, we do way better on meat and that should be natural. You should feel that naturally because

doesn't everybody's mouth water when they walk by a freaking piece of meat cooking over an open fire. I mean, my mouth is watering right now just thinking about it, right? So yes, it is, you know, you can choose to be vegan. And if you're in the sun and you're at the equator and you're like, yeah, I just want to eat mangoes today, you know, then do that. That's for some reason you need that. Right. But if you're living in Montana and you're eating 200, 300 grams of protein a day, because that's what fuels you and you like it, like Parks and Rec, Ron on Parks and Rec. Ron Swanson just eats meat. That's it. Don't question what you want if it's in the parameters of nature. Now, there's many things that can make us be off, like the fragrances and the chemicals and the plastics. So we make bad

decisions and we're addicted to all the chemicals in the food. But ultimately, most humans I've ever met want to eat meat. So I want to address the rebuttal that we always get to that argument, which is, well, yeah, but if that's true, why can I be addicted to drugs? Why can I be addicted to sugar? Because if you think about where we came from, again, human ingenuity has allowed us to override the natural governing mechanisms of drugs, right? We're ingenious, we're opportunistic, and we're really intelligent. Now we can synthesize drugs, we can quickly grow sugar, right? So it's, and I, we have to name drop him again because he is right. It is no longer survival of the fittest. It's the survival of the wisest. And Jack says that. And it's true because we need

to now, we need to simulate adversity, right? Humans thrive in adversity. Look at what we did during COVID, right? We are so bored that our society created a fake problem because we crave adversity and challenge that much. So we don't thrive if there's not a challenge, right? Humans need that. That's just because back in the day, again, primal life, right? We would have challenges. We'd have to go on a hunt.

We'd have to solve things. Humans want to solve things. We're naturally, that's our physiological desire is to, is to solve things. So now we need to, we need to, um, we need to simulate that. We, we do that for our kids. We have meetings with our kids and, and I'll, and if I see one of them and I'm thinking like, shit, like you need an adversity right now. Like our son, Robert, he's the freaking smartest kid and he's so creative, but sometimes he gets a little lazy and we love him, but he gets a little lazy. So if we need to introduce something to his environment

for him to overcome something, to give him the drive himself to become less lazy, we'll do that. And so we did for a while was we did like a bootcamp where we simulated an environment that was a little bit more hardship for him. And we gave him some of those natural drivers. Like, you know, back in the wild, when they would, a 15-year-old kid, like that kid would be kicked out of the house, right? That kid would have to go survive. And that test of the nature would cause that kid to mature, right? And now what happens when kids are 15 at home, right? They're downstairs on TikTok playing fucking Call of Duty all day. So they're not getting, and that's why we have a bunch of baby- ass adults now, right? Because we no longer are, are facing

adversities like we should. And it's been in the smart parents. Like this is, this goes all the way back into like our parenting philosophy is smart parents are the ones that are taking control of their kid's environment in, even in the way that we introduce adversity into their life and make shit kind of hard for them sometimes. Because if we don't make it hard, life's going to make it hard. What's an example of that? Do you have one in mind of an adversity that we've done recently? Well, we don't give our kids the answers. We let them try to figure it out. We're not just there like our nine-year-old son Grafton's doing this huge lego thing right he's got all these and he's trying he can't he can't literally physically fit the piece where it needs

to go and he brings it to his dad like i need help we're like no you don't do it figure it out yeah like like find a tool to make it work do something where most parents are just like i don't want to hear anymore i'll just i'll just do it i'll just do it for them and that's not that's not doing well for us right now. You know, you got these millennials who have had all these parents that are just, I just want to go on with my day and don't want to listen to you, you know, have to try to figure shit out. So I'm just going to do it for you. And so now we have all these millennials who don't want to work. They don't want to do anything. They just want to sit in their phones and they think they're entitled to,

you know, having this life of luxury. But in, in, in our household, like with simulating universities, what it looks like is a lot of times is, you know, when, when they come to us with a problem, that's just the, that's the conversation it's it's okay. So let's compare this to what, what, what this, what this challenge would be like into the wild. And then I'm going to, I'm not going to give you an answer. I'm going to ask you a shitload of questions and I'm going to make you realize what you need to do. And what you need to do, typically, it's going to be something that they wouldn't have thought of on their own, but it's the Socratic method, right? It's the same thing we do with our clients.

The more answers you give to people, the bigger the problem becomes, because then they just want the answers. It's the teaching to fish versus giving the fish, right? So simulating adversities to me is drawing a metaphor or comparison or an analogy to modern problems and going, okay, what would this problem have been like when you were 14 out in the wild 5,000 years ago, right? And so our son Robert being lazy, yeah, I mean, he lives in a comfortable, warm house. He doesn't have, you know, he doesn't have the challenges of needing to hunt. He doesn't have to provide for his wife because we're on, you know, we're living in the model world. But so what did we do? Well, we made him go out and run in the cold. Not, and we're not like, this isn't like child abuse. You know, it wasn't like, Hey, you know, like,

when you're not allowed inside, I'm making you sleep outside with the wolves. Like it wasn't like that. It was okay. Like we're going to do cold showers. Now you're going to do pushups. You're going to do this. You're going to do that. It's going to be a little bootcamp and you're going to get some of that environmental impact of a challenge. And then when they overcome that challenge, their confidence levels soar. This kid, this Robert, our son, I mean, at eight, at 17 and a half years old has the ability to adapt dynamically in a way that I see in no kids that are 17, none. I can't find a kid that's adapted. We'll get on the phone with him. He does our, he edits our reels for us. And I can now,

he's gotten so good over the last four years that I've been working with him that I can talk to him for 20 minutes and he knows exactly what I'm saying. He knows exactly what to do. He feels, he is constructive. He, and he has a booming confidence about himself. And that confidence then is what carries forward, right? Because I made life a little bit difficult for him by not giving him the answer. Yeah. For the month of April, you're going to receive 25% off all Vivo barefoot shoes and SEMA. Can you tell us why these shoes are so great for years on this podcast? We've been talking about the benefit of barefoot shoes. And these are the shoes I used to use back in like 2017, 2018, my old Metcons. They are flat, but they're not very wide and they're very stiff and they don't move. That's why we've been partnering with and we've

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shit a brick. They were like, what? I'm unfollowing you now. You know, and I want to mention this too. Like I've read this book, I think it was, fuck, I forgot the name of it, but it went into all like how there's so much research backing coffee. So I think when you tell people not to drink coffee, there's all of this literature, right? And you even have fucking, who's the biohacker guy? What's his name? Asprey. Asprey.

He'll pull up all the studies to why coffee is good for you and how it helps with Alzheimer's and all this shit, right? But the second that it comes down to medicine, they won't point to the studies because they'll be like, they're all funded by pharma. Right. So it's like, they're just fucking hypocrites. Right. Because they'll go, well, look at the studies when it supports my thing.

But when it doesn't, don't fucking look at the studies. You know, it's like, Jesus, you guys. What happened with Dave Asprey, because I remember when Dave first hit the scene and he had mold toxicity. That's his story. And so he had to find a coffee that was mold free because coffee holds a lot of mold and his body just couldn't tolerate the mold anymore. So he had to find a mold free coffee. And so that's what he ended up doing. And that's where he got to be that big bulletproof coffee guy because he was trying to heal his problem with his mold toxicity. So, you know, anytime you mix money into anything,

you're going to have incentives that way. But if you look at the lobby, the coffee studies, just, I mean, everybody right now is talking about the vaccine, right? And they're going, well, you know, who's funding all the vaccine lectures. So people are aware of this idea of the conflict of interest, but then they are unable, they have their blinders on And they're going, well, you know, who's funding all the vaccine lurchers. So people are aware of this idea of the conflict of interest, but then they, they are unable, they have their blinders on and they're unable to think that it applies in a different industry. And it doesn't, it's the same thing in the coffee industry. It's the same thing in the alcohol industry. It's the same thing. A glass of wine at night is good for you. Bullshit. It's the same thing, right? So this idea, like you've got, we got to learn as humans to, we got to figure out when we

can extrapolate. And when you come still at large sample size, which is where these studies are in and there's lobbyists and the funding, that's a large sample size. You can extrapolate the same shit that happens in medicine to coffee, to alcohol, to everything. Right? So, so step one is remember always back, prime away. There's going to be conflicting studies. There's going to be shit out there. But, but did our ancestors have a Starbucks?

Did our ancestors, could our ancestors walk into a Caribou coffee and get a freaking 16-ounce double espresso caramel macchiato? But coffee is a few hundred years old, right? So coffee is – Let's talk about the other side. Yeah. We did sort of survive on coffee and alcohol, I believe, right? Well, because you can burn those as energy, right? So coffee is a drug and

alcohol's ethanol and your Krebs cycle can burn ethanol like it just can. But ultimately the coffee interrupts the adenosine. The adenosine is so important for your body to heal. When you get that feeling around two o'clock and you're like, okay, I'm feeling really tired. That's your adenosine getting into its receptor site, wanting to slow you down. And the reason is because our nervous systems sometimes need a reboot, especially if we've been producing a lot of ATP. So the more ATP you produce, the more adenosine you make. So if you have that, you see kids, they're running around like crazy, right? Their little heads are spinning off and they produce a lot of ATP. And then they produce a lot of adenosine. And so then they crash and they take a nap. Okay. It's the same for us. If we have a very mind active job, which is,

you know, your mitochondria is in your brain and your heart. It's everywhere in your body, but we hold most of it in our brain and our heart. That's where we have the highest mitochondrial load. And if you have a real brain heavy job where you have to think a lot, you're going to produce a lot of ATP. So therefore you're going to need to reset your nervous system. You're going to need to just unplug, just like you have to unplug your computer, right? So coffee is a drug. There's no question. It is an absolute drug. And the coffee lobbyists, there's big money in that. But what's the bigger money in? Keeping you drugged?

Because if you're drugged, what else do you need? You need more drugs. You will watch whatever they're showing you on the blue screen and do whatever they tell you to do. So coffee is easy for them. It's cheap. That's why it's so cheap. You can get coffee anywhere. Um, when, when you, uh, if you went to an MRI after you drank coffee, your, your, uh, was it the oxygen to your brain goes down by 40%. So, you know, and it, and it affects your, um, your, uh, your area of, um, like judgment. And, and, and so you become easier to control now again. No,

but this, this thing isn't like, this isn't, this is a black and white conversation, right? We live in a world of gray. It doesn't mean you can't have coffee and that that's not the argument. It's, it's at least know and understand the basis and the arguments both on both sides. Careful with the dose. Yeah. Well, that's, that's a big part of it too. You know what I mean? If you have 20, 30, 40 milligrams of caffeine every day, like it probably isn't going to be that big of a deal. But like we're, we're in a world where we're like, people are drinking like four freaking grande Starbucks that are like hyper caffeinated. And then they're coming, they would come to, to candy to see her in person and they'd be like, well, I feel like this and this and this, and I'm always anxious. And it's like,

holy shit, you guys, you're drinking like four fucking coffees. And I'm not going to put you on a supplement, drink more fucking water and stop drinking so much coffee. And your last one's at like 4 p.m. Yeah. And they're not sleeping for shit. And it's like, you guys. Okay. People that have anxiety and they consume a lot of caffeine and then they go to the doctor and they get prescribed something else.

It's like, maybe we should have just sat here for a moment and talked about this caffeine. Pull that back and see if symptoms get better. Well, because again, you're not broken. That's such an amazing point that I want to make right now is the consultation between the physician and the patient. I was a hairdresser prior to being a nutritionist. And so consultation and hairdressing is the most important thing, right? Because we got shoulder length here and then shoulder length here. So you can do, I want my hair shoulder length,

which is right here, or I want my hair shoulder length, which is like a bob length, right? So you have to learn how to really communicate. And I think all doctors should have to understand this. The art of consultation is where it all is, is they're not asking the right questions. There's nothing funnier

than when your friend gets a bad haircut. Yeah. And you're like, bro, like, what's going on with that? Bad consultation. That's why they get put on all these drugs. They cut off too much, man. I don't know. It's the time thing, though.

It's unfortunate that, like, they don't have more time to spend with these patients. It's easier to be like, you have this and give me this. Exactly. You know, so it's like, can you blame them? Like, you gotta blame them, but, yeah. Yes. like, can you blame them? Like you got to blame them, but yeah. Yes. The thing that I blame them for is not standing up and saying, no, we're not, I'm not, I'm not doing a five minute appointment.

No. And that's what's happened is they're all now involved in centralized medicine where they have to do five minute appointments. Back in the day, my childhood doctor could do a 30 minute appointment with us because he wasn't centralized. He wasn't owned by the hospital or the governing agencies around. He did his own practice. So we need these doctors to remove themselves out of the centralized system and get their own practices back so that they can control the kind of care that their patients get. What do you guys say? It's fair that it's very difficult

to like point the finger at one thing that's causing someone's ailment or disease. In your case with type one diabetes, I don't think there's a lot of information or research that we really truly know exactly where it comes from. It's like some people are like, oh, I got this vaccine. Some people say they may have gotten triggered

from something else. And do you guys kind of feel that way in general? Like when somebody comes to you with whatever it is that they have, it's like, you probably can't always just pin stuff down to like one thing. It's probably a multitude of things. I mean, that's the, the human brain looks for patterns and to make things simple, right? That's our, that's our, again, a physiological response to adapting to an environment where we got to survive. So we look for patterns and we try to make things simple. And so what happens is you get sick. Well, it's just this one thing.

It's the knee-jerk reaction of humans is to go, well, it's just this one thing. It's just this one variable. If anybody tells you really it's any one thing ever, like they're lying to you. Cause nobody really knows. There's too many, I mean, there's so many variables, you know what I mean? Whether you're breathing this air over there or that over there, you know, there might be plastic or there might be mold over here. There's too many variables, right? So again, that this always goes back to, I'm just, I'm just this like guy that just kicks, keeps kicking the dead horses. Like it's your, you got to look to the environment because you can't, we get women that are like, well, I, you know, I want to know, I want to know if this is going to help me with this. And if it's going to help me with that, it's like, nobody fucking

knows the answer to that. You're asking the wrong question. I mean, I love you and I want you to get better. I really do. Like I want people to be healthy. I, we want, we really, why we're here, why we're here right now, why we're doing our program is because we want to see this, this civilization get healthier and take the power back so our kids can live in a world that's not so freaking crazy, right? But in order to do that, we got to ask that better question, which is like, why is my body doing this, right? Why is my body having this problem? Now, you know, like there's some rare exceptions, right?

Like type 1 diabetes, you know, it probably is an environmental thing. But again, you know, that one could be genetic. My grandpa, my grandpa on my maternal side maternal side is type one diabetic. Um, there was type one diabetic. He passed away, but, um, you know, it's, it's the knee jerk reaction of people to just, to go, I think it's just this one thing. And it rarely is. It rarely is. Right. Yeah, exactly. Also, Jack says this in, this is the first time I ever heard this. I couldn't believe it. My mind was completely blown. But he talks about physics and how we're operating research in, is it Newtonian, honey? Newtonian physics. And what the actuality is, we live in quantum physics where everything is energy, right? And so in quantum physics, it's the eye of the beholder, right? That you manifest what you, whoever's watching, right? So you have to think about the research and how it's coming

forward and how we are manifesting the research in ways that we are, because that you can't take quantum physics out of the mix. It's part, we know that now. Einstein came and blew everybody away. And there is no such thing as cause and effect. We're still using the old system for research. And it's just, if you think about that, your mind kind of explodes a little bit because you're like, wait, it's all the beholder then. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

So is there any real research? Because is this why you can find, you know, healthy vegans? You know, is this why you can find this and that? And ultimately, there hasn't been enough time. Agriculture's 10,000 years old. There has not been enough time for us to know the answers to these questions. And what's really in charge, like I said at the beginning, is the sun. The sun is dictating everything in our environment. So we won't know. It's like the old, the book Ishmael. Have you guys read that book, Ishmael? No. Oh, it's so good. I think everybody should read it. It's a fiction book. But in the book, it's a gorilla who is talking to this

journalist. I believe he's a journalist telepathically. So he's having a telepathic communication. And that's what the whole book is. And his message to humanity and culture is that humans think they're outside of the fabric of nature. And we're not. We are part of it. But because we have this conscious part of ourselves, we can manipulate it easily. we have this conscious part of ourselves. We can manipulate it easily. And I think we're realizing now that's not necessarily such a good thing. But he says in the book, it's like if we were to jump out of an airplane with a parachute packed and our parachute is broken, it's not going to open, but we don't know that yet. And we're coming closer and closer to the ground thinking, everything's just great. We're going to pull the parachute and it's just going to open. Everything's going to be fine. And then it's not.

Our parachute's really broken and we don't know that yet. That's where we're at in humanity. We don't know that our parachute isn't going to open yet. We haven't hit the ground. Nature will tell us and it's getting close because what's happening? We're not procreating like we should. And it's getting close because what's happening, we're not procreating like we should. Infertility rates are through the roof. Girls can't get pregnant. They need support now. Young men and women need support to get pregnant.

That's nature's first sign of telling you your fucking parachute is not going to open. Well, with the infertility thing, because I know you guys probably have worked with women in that. So if people are having issues conceiving, right, what are things that they can do? And also, you know, some people go to doctors, a woman is like maybe 36, 37, and they're like, ah, you're over the hump. You're over the hill. It's no chance for you at this point. Do you see that there's an upper limit or what have you guys been able to do? Yeah. We work with a lot of girls who can't get pregnant and I just tell them exactly what Tom says. It's your environment.

It's your environment. So let's start working with it instead of against it and see what happens. Remove all the toxic chemicals first. Check number one. Start eating more incoordinates with your circadian hormones. Let insulin do what it's supposed to do. And then once they start doing those things, they start seeing changes in their cycle. They start regulating. Everything's doing really well. And then all of a sudden, poof, they're pregnant, baby. That's just how it works. Nature rewards you when you're doing the right thing. And as long as the dude's doing it too, because right? Oh, yeah. No, seriously. 100%. doing the right thing. And as long as the dude's doing it too, because right, like, and I tell girls a lot of the times, because I see this so frequently is women blame themselves.

And I'm like, have you had your bro checked? And they're like, I asked the question. It's like, yeah, they're like, yeah, his morphology is low. And I'm like, dude needs more meat. You got to give him more meat. He needs B12. you don't b12 you're not going to morph that baby and then you won't keep it in your system you will abort and so they they understand when they get in how important because it is just as much the guy as it is the woman how do we get how do we get rid of toxins because like that seems like a tough one and then like what's talking man we're talking about blue light and then we got like plastics and then you got uh some of the emf rmf some of it you can't abc lmnop yeah some of it you can't like plastic you know that that is not going to be removed from our environment for hundreds of years even if we did everything

right now because i mean it's floating in the air just do the best fibers you know do the best in 80 20 you know so um you know are should somebody be panicked about breathing the plastic? Well, like that's, first of all, you can't control that. B, like that's probably not where you're getting your greatest exposure, right? So you got to, you look to, I think of things sometimes in terms of time, right? So where do you spend your most time, right? In your bed, most likely, right? A third of your life is in your bed.

So are you sleeping on a nice, on a, on a, on a mattress and an organic mattress that's not off putting chemicals, right? And, and is your room, um, full of EMFs, non-native EMFs. So, I mean, the, the EMF thing is really interesting too, cause that's another talk, toxic conversation and it's invisible. So nobody, people think it's not real and holy shit. When you get the meters, we have all the pro meters. We went through our house and, uh, how do you get the meters? Like some of you just order off Amazon. I'm sure when you do the podcast, you could pop them up. There's like, there's, there's, um, there's one that's called a tri-field, which is like, it's like the, um, it's not like the one it's, it does three, it does all three, but it's

not great at all three, but it's good enough. Like 80, 20 of the all three. Um, and so the best thing to do, like, if you don't have the money to buy the meter, which is only like a couple hundred bucks, but if you don't have the money to buy the meter, there's like two things you can do that are just like 80, 20 of your, of your EMFs. And then we'll talk rest about the other toxins. Get your bed away from the wall because your walls. Yeah, that's it. That's the tri field that that will go between. There's three fields.

There's electric field. There's a magnetic field. And then there's radio frequencies. So you, you, there's different consequences of each type of field, but those are the three toxic kinds of EMFs. And those are non-native. Now, remember there are native EMFs that come off like volcanoes, which are, which are good for the body. And the sun. And the sun, exactly. But, um, so get, get your bed. If you don't know, and you don't have one of those meters, get your bed a foot to two feet away from the wall. Especially if you live in an

old house, because there's wires and shit being run behind there. And literally these fields, the majority of these fields go from a foot to like three feet at the most. Your refrigerator is a big son of a bitch. That's a huge field that comes off that thing. And fans, we've tested fans. And for some reason,

fans throw these freaking huge fields off of them. All fans? Yeah, fans, like ceiling fans, floor fans. But again, it might only be a couple of feet. It might only be a couple of feet, but maybe don't sleep under one that's running, you know, like maybe use something else for that. But anyway so get away, get your bed away from the wall and turn your wifi off at night. Those are your, those are your two big ones that are just easy to control 80, 20. You're going to get 80% of the reduction with 20% of the work by doing, by the work by doing those two things.

That's what I believe. That's what we've done in our testing. And then toxins, right? It's kind of the same thing. So, you know, you get- Well, what about turning the breaker off? Oh, yeah. So we turn our breaker off in our room at night.

We just shut the whole power off. You go downstairs, you figure out your circuit breaker. How do you guys have communication with your children at that point? Like, can they get a hold of you in some way with the phone or something? Yeah, we just put your phone in the other room. We still have our phone. Yeah, you put your phone in the other room. We put it in the bathroom and it's fine. It's far enough away. The field again on that is only coming off two or three feet. When you get one of those meters, it empowers you because it's a boogeyman until it's a boogeyman until you know, until you know what it is, right? So you gotta, you gotta clarify the problem. Like Einstein's

quote, right? Like if I could fix any problem, what would I do? You 95% of your time should be clarifying the problem and 5% should be solving it, right? If you don't know the problem, like Einstein's quote, right? Like if I could fix any problem, what would I do? 95% of your time should be clarifying the problem and 5% should be solving it, right? If you don't know the problem, clarify it first. If you need to clarify it, get one of the meters, right? And then you'll know. But the field that comes off a phone is like a foot or two feet, right? It's not the hugest thing. So get that thing out of your room at night and then you're good, right? So you don't have to worry about that, but then shut your circuit breaker off at night because it shuts all the power off to all of the outlets in your room. And the outlets are spraying off dirty electricity like crazy. Right. So, um, why about air conditioning or yeah, I mean, or like, is this all that gets shut off too? We just shut off our room. We just shut

off the, the, in our room. Cause remember that if the ACs, you know, it depends on what your AC is, right. If your ACs right outside the room, uh, of your bedroom and it's like on the other side of it. Okay. Yeah. That might be a problem. Right. So again, you know, in that situation, yeah, go get a tri-field meter and measure it and make sure that you're doing good. But you know, if you live in a house that's relatively new and you don't want to buy a meter, just get your bed away from the wall and, um, and turn your wifi breaker or wifi off at night. Cause you don't need it on anyway. What the hell is the point of having it on? And then go shut your circuit breaker off in your room. And, and, and like, honestly, when we did that, I, we started sleeping way better. That was a really big change.

Yeah. And the grounding sheets, talk about the grounding sheets. Oh, well the grounding sheets. So grounding sheets are an interesting thing too, because it's not this black and white thing where you want to be grounded at night. Because if, um, it depends on, on the connection that you make to the ground. Because if you make a dirty connection with the ground, you're getting dirty energy up in your grounding sheets. So you know the plug, you know when they get a three-prong plug and the bottom piece is the grounding piece? Well, if that is running through your home and being interfered with by a bunch of electricity, then if you plug your grounding sheet into that, that dirty electricity is coming through into

your grounding sheets. So the gold standard for grounding sheets is actually to run a wire outside of your window. So it doesn't touch anything in your house. And then you run it outside and you ground it outside. Right. So you don't run it into your, into your outlet, right? Like a copper wire. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then you, you, you run it right. Like you don't let it touch anything because I know some people listening are like, oh my God, these guys like- I know. But if you have symptoms, you know, and you test- Yeah.

Well, and a lot of people- You test the room, like if, and you're in a compromised position, if you're compromised enough, you'll do and try anything. I know it sucks. And a lot of people buy these gimmicky things where they're like, oh, grounding sheets, and then they just make it worse. Well, what they're doing is they're solving the problem without clarifying it, right? They went to the solve the problem stage and not the clarifying it stage.

They didn't figure out what the problem really was. They didn't figure out the problem might also be inside of the house. So they solved it with a bad solution, right? So yeah, I mean, again, we weren't designed. You remember, we didn't evolve in an environment that we should be managing this stuff. But unfortunately, we live in one. So it's the survival of the wisest now, not the survival of the fittest. We have to be wise. We have to know where our things are. So EMFs are a big part of the toxic conversation. But then again,

then also sense fabrics. Don't be spraying glade. Don't be using bullshit laundry detergents and fabric softeners and all that shit. Get that shit gone. Check your couch. If you're laying your couch a lot, try to get an organic couch if you can, maybe, right? Organic couch. Organic. Yeah. Because they're, because they off gas. Um, I mean, this stuff is everywhere. Your car, your car is an, is an EMF disaster. Leather, cotton, things that are natural. Natural material. As much as you possibly can. Wherever you can, you know, and, and, and then it's, then it's, then once you do that, then your next, um, thing that you can do, your next actionable item is to make your body detox better, right? Because now I've reduced, I've 80-20'd my toxic life. Now I need to make my 80-20 my ability to get

this shit out of me. So stop drinking coffee, drink more water because then you flush more, right? Make sure you're pooping. Yeah, make sure you're pooping. Get rid of the toxic fat. Get in the sun because it'll help you detox. The sun is great for detoxing. Protein is great for detoxing too. Protein. And when you guys say detoxing, I don't want to cut you off, but you were going on protein, but when you guys say detoxing, some people listening are like, oh, that's a buzzword. Like, no, they're saying detox.

So what do you guys mean when you say detox? Good question. Getting the things that are harming you out of your body. It's as simple as it is. Okay. Take the toxin and remove it. So the sun is your best heavy metal detox you can do because melanin will detoxify heavy metals. And a lot of times when women get sunspots or even men get sunspots, it's the metal coming out into the surface

because melanin needs to go there and clean up the mess. So I have all these girls come in and they've done thousands of dollars on these chelating, heavy metal therapy treatments, and they're not getting any progress. They're getting sicker and they're spending all this money. And I'm like, just get your butt in the sun. Like you need to move down, get into the sun and be in the sun all the time and create melanin. And then their problems go away. So nature provides all of the detoxification cellular autophagy just fast, just fast. Get into the heat, get your body really hot, go sweat in the sun, go into a sauna if you don't have the sun. Sweating is a great way to detoxify. You don't need supplements to detoxify. And the idea that the detox is a buzzword, a lot of these toxins exist in nature too. So our bodies needed to adapt to get rid of them.

So we have detox pathways. That's objectively true, not subjective. Now, the whole detox thing, yeah, I mean- There are conditions to hear detox. I know. And this is the connotation of the word versus the denotation, right? What does it really mean versus how is it heard by people? And unfortunately, it's the same bullshit that the weight loss industry is dealing with. You know, we get these women that

are all skeptical because all these people have burned them and it's just a bunch of bullshit, right? Um, just because somebody doesn't know what they were doing and they sold you doesn't mean we don't. Right. And just because somebody said something about detox that wasn't real, doesn't mean all detox is wrong, right? We got to be careful about what conclusions we draw from small sample sizes, right? Cause you need a large sample size to statistically draw a statistically significant conclusion. And a lot of people extrapolate improperly, right? So, and the other interesting thing about saunas and detoxing is, and actually this goes back to Jen. And if anybody watching this needs a sauna, you got to just email us because this woman knows everything

about saunas. And we bought one from her and she's the best. Um, when firefighters, firefighters are some of the most toxic people in this country. And it's because they burn, they run into burning fucking buildings. These toxins are in the air. They're there. Even if they're wearing respirators, they're breathing, they're getting them in. And when they go into a sauna and they come out and they wipe their arms down, it's gray. So the idea that we don't detox is just nonsense, right? It's just because you don't see it and feel it doesn't mean it's not there. And, and a lot of body odor is just you detoxing because our bodies shouldn't stink as bad as some people's body. Why does some people's body odor get real bad, right?

This guy doesn't smell, by the way. He never smells, no matter what. You're clean on the inside, you know? That's part of my nickname. That's why I'm two mean older brothers. Why am I wearing these right now? It's because I'm being bathed in blue light. And we've actually learned from not just these guests, but multiple guests on our podcast that light isn't bad for

you, but it's when you're getting your blue light and where you're getting your blue light from. That's why we've partnered with EMR Tech. They have blue light day blocking glasses. If you're in front of screens or if you're in front of a lot of artificial light, these are going to be great to use then. And then we have blue light nighttime glasses. When it's nighttime and you have to be in front of your screen or whether you have to be on your laptop, these are the glasses that you want to use when the sun sets. Using these glasses in the evening is going to help you have better sleep quality because you're not getting bombarded with so much blue light at a time when you shouldn't be getting bombarded with that light.

But also, EMR Tech has some of the best red light therapy devices on the market. They have smaller devices and they also have large devices. The cool thing about the red light therapy devices is that they actually have a stronger output as far as the red light is concerned. So if you stand in front of one of the EMR Tech's devices versus competitors, you'll notice a difference in how powerful the red light coming through the device is. So go ahead and check out EMR Tech. Andrew, how can they save? Yes, that's over at emrtech.com. That's E-M-R-T-E-K.com. And at checkout, enter promo code POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your entire order. Again, that's at emrtech.com, promo code POWERPROJECT. Links in the description, as well as the podcast show notes.

What you got, Andrew? So I have a couple of questions over here, but just because you guys were talking about the sun being like the ultimate detox tool for heavy metals and stuff. And just because I love going on these rabbit holes and all this weird stuff, conspiracy theories, whatever you want to call it. What do we do about like the metals that are potentially in the air? Yeah. Chemicals. Yeah. Not potentially in the air? Yeah. Chemtrails. Yeah. Not potentially, not potentially. Absolutely. I say potentially to protect myself amongst the comments that are probably rolling in right now.

Have no fear. Well, it's Mount Shasta, which is just not too far away from here. They, they, you, you can say all you want there. There's nothing in there, but on Mount Shasta, actually, if you, you can go into, I think the city is where I last heard about this, but they have the reports of the aluminum that is in the water coming off of Mount Shasta because it's in the air. Right. So, and it just gets into the snow melt up there.

So yeah, I mean, that's what Tom was saying. There's plastics we're breathing in right now and you just have to do your best. And the best thing we can do right now is educate our kids. The next best thing we can do is start saying no, voting with our dollar. I'm a really big believer in you spend your money and you use your money to control, you know, our culture right now. It's the, um, blaming the corporations is a victim mentality, right? The, the, um, the opposite of that is voting with your dollar. Yeah.

If you, if you want to control something by the shit that, that, that comes from companies that give a shit, that's what you can do. We believe like, you know, we could get into politics. Tom's smart enough to do something like that. And we could go in and start, we, we had girls during COVID that were, you know, we could get into politics. Tom's smart enough to do something like that. And we could go in and start, we, we had girls during COVID that were, you know, against the mandates and whatever. And they had this big organization. What were they called? The, the, Oh, the, Oh, that Facebook group. Uh, anyways, they were going down and meeting at the Capitol every day and, you know, uh, talking to all their, uh, political people and making the movement

and they were trying to get us involved. And we're like, you guys, it's all BS. When are you gonna learn? It's the same thing. And it happens, ultimate power corrupts, right? It happened in freaking high school when we had ASB, what always happened? The ASB people always got in charge

and they started making all these stupid rules that everybody else had to follow. It's centralization. Our lives right now are way too centralized. We have to decentralize this. We have to take responsibility in our own backyard and start making changes for ourselves because you can go talk to a politician all you want and think, oh yeah, they're on my team. They're not on your team. There's no way. They'll tell you all day they're on your team. And what happens? They're not on your team. So they're going to do what's in their interest, which is in their pocketbook. So what we have to do is vote with our pocketbook. That's where our interest is. Don't spend your money on bullshit items like Febreze and Glade plugins and a plastic bottle

of Coke, right? Don't put your money there because they're just going to make more. We got to put them out of business. That's the only way things are going to change. There's the, so just, just to really clarify the definition of like the centralizing things that's, that's come up a couple of times. It's centralization is when it's one or very few authoritative powers governing the rest. And so the opposite of that is decentralization where everybody has autonomy. And this metaphor can be drawn so broadly and it can be applied to so many

different situations. So much so that one of my favorite business books, I can't think of the name of it right now, introduced the idea of businesses that perform the best versus businesses that perform well for a little while and then fail versus businesses that can continue to perform. And the big, one of the big distinctions was the idea of a general with a thousand soldiers model, which is a general with a thousand soldiers, meaning a centralized authority that dictates the control of just of all of the people versus the decentralized model where you have a CEO that, that gives applies, it provides autonomy to everybody in the organization. And every time that one wins, and it's not just business, it's the, it's every single thing. It's education. It's your health.

It's, it's all of the things. The only thing then in our world that should be a central authority is the sun. It's the only thing that really should, there's only one authority, you know, that guides everything, but nature's beautifully decentralized. You know, if one plant dies, another plant doesn't, it doesn't care that that plant died, right? It's, it's, it's independent. So we need to model after that, that nature, that decentralization. There is a clip that I was searching for as we were podcasting. I think I found it. I sent it over to Andrew. Andrew, can you pull this one up? Because I think this is the clip that I saw from you guys that pissed the most people off. It's, it's a clip that I saw so many nutritionists clip and just like talk about.

Tear it apart. Yeah, so I want us to watch this and I want us to get some clarification. I hope this is it. What do we require, absolutely require for survival? Protein and fat. How are those not ancestral foods? The original apple that has not been genetically engineered,

you guys won't want to eat it. The only thing you can do with it is turn it into cider. It not been genetically engineered, you guys won't want to eat it. The only thing you can do with it is turn it into cider. It has been genetically engineered. The banana that you see in the supermarket, that Cavendish banana, is a recent thing. We genetically engineered that plant to grow that banana. Traditional bananas are very woody and pulpy, and you wouldn't want to eat them. But we've bred them to be sugar bombs. They are not natural. Apples and bananas are actually berries. You know what

they did with berries? They turned them into ethanol. They made them into alcohol. That's what we did. That's how we processed them. But we took them, we manipulated them to grow a lot of sugar, and now we grow them. The banana plant cannot reproduce on its own. They have to have a new plant every time. What is nature telling us when that plant cannot produce on its own? What do we... So that was actually a good one. That wasn't the one I was looking for, but that's perfect. But there's another clip where you were talking about how meat is what we need. And you were saying there was no nutritional value in vegetables. And I saw so many individuals in the nutrition sector take that and say, well, there's folate, there's vitamin K, there's vitamin C, right? So I'm curious, obviously when you're talking about this, how should people contextualize it? Because they'll hear people say, yeah, there is vitamins and good nutrients in plant foods.

But it's, so yeah, what are you saying? Yeah, so what is known to be true about that is there might, in appearance, that might be there. But is your body really absorbing that from that plant? So in meat, we absorb everything we need to absorb out of meat. It's in the perfect form for us. But iron, for example, iron's a really good one because you see these anemic girls that are just making these smoothie bombs, right? They're just loading these spinach-fed smoothies into their body and they can't get their iron levels up. And they're vegan.

And they're vegan. So that right there in and of itself should tell you those vitamins that are in plants aren't necessarily the vitamins that we can absorb and utilize. Yes, some of them may be on a very micro minuscule level we'll get through, especially minerals. But even then, even then you're not, you know, pumpkin seeds, who's going to sit around and eat pumpkin seeds and get zinc from pumpkin seeds, right? You're getting that from meat. That is what you're getting. Folate, I've worked with a lot of people with MTHFR. So this is a big one because they need folate. The people that have the genetic mutation with the MTHFR gene, they don't detox well. And so they don't process their B vitamins and turn folic acid into folate. And so you get them eating meat, their bodies start working. Their bodies start processing those things. You see the oxidative stress levels come down. But to get folic acid out of a synthetic form or out of a vegetable, you're not good luck. You're just not going to see the needle move anywhere. And so I've

worked a lot with people in their blood work. I know exactly what to tell them. Go in and get this done from your doctor. Bring it back to me. Let's look at it. Let's talk about this. You just don't see those numbers move in the right direction unless they're getting it through animal products. The antioxidants that are provided, yes, in the berries, in the season they're in, with the sun growing them the way that where they're supposed to grow, where they're from, is yes, we get antioxidants from that. And it can be beneficial for us, but we don't need it. Okay. Do you guys eat fruits at all or nah? No, we, you know, like if I'm in Hawaii or like, you know, we're in Puerto Rico and there's some mangoes growing.

I did actually have a little bit of an orange and it was bitter. I mean, it was just a orange growing on a tree. In the jungle, by the way. And now you can't really know exactly if those are native because everything's been manipulated now so you can't know what's actually native to where it's at and even like they have apple bananas growing we were in a forest in the middle of puerto rico in this beautiful yeah bananas yes, there are apple bananas. Okay. And so we don't know because we weren't there manipulating the seed, you know, at the time it was being manipulated. And this has been going on for thousands of years, seed manipulation.

So we don't know what is actually real anymore. And what did we manipulate? When did that start? Because humans are innovative. We're opportunistic. With a lot of things, you know, even here in the Sacramento- innovative we're opportunistic with a lot of things you know even here in the sacramento davis area there's a lot of trees that aren't native to this area that they grew and um you see on the news every year they're like oh it's allergy season

and then people go out and they get their allegra and everything and people don't understand like if you can just go outside start getting used to you know what's here but unfortunately trees probably't supposed to be here. And a lot of us maybe aren't supposed to be in this location. So I know people, people get really, really excited about the notion of GMO. They get all up in arms about this idea of genetically modified. And then they get, they have that particular one that we did watch. People are like, well, that's, that's not GMO, that's genetically engineering. And that's a huge difference. And it's like, yeah, but you guys, like, that's not the point, You know, you're missing the point. The, the idea, the thing is, is that our genes, our DNA didn't adapt to an environment where

humans were so fucking ingenious that we were able to genetically engineer anything or even, even, even, um, thoughtfully crossbreed plants. Like, like I just, we just posted, um, uh, that, that would really answer this. We just posted a post yesterday on Instagram was just a picture post. And basically it says like, yeah, you know, we, we, we, you know, we, while we were roaming, while we were, while we were, you know, hunting, we might've come across a, a, a, a bush, a bush of berries, like, and, and we probably stuffed our face with them. Right. But we didn't find a Jamba juice and load, carb load on a side bowl with granola and honey. Like that's not how the way it works. And if you, so let's go to the second page of that. So, and then the truth isn't convenient, doesn't mean it's not the truth. Your desire for sugar is a physiological response to increase

your odds of survival in a world with a natural governing mechanism, which is glucose's natural sparse presence in the wild. Glucose was naturally very sparse, hard to get, right? But in today's world where that governing mechanism, that scarcity, that was a governing mechanism, right? That scarcity was a governing, very important. It was a safety valve, right? We, our a governing, very important. It was a safety valve, right? We are, our human ingenuity has overridden that. We've, we've out, we've out governed ourselves. We've gotten point where that's not a governing mechanism anymore. And so now it's taken

that, that craving for, for glucose, which is, which is just a survival mechanism, right? Because in nature, if you fatten up a little bit from glucose, great. Like if you find a freaking beehive full of honey and you can get that honey, get it because you will fatten up a little bit and it increases your odds for survival. But how often were you running across a bunch of honey? How often were you really climbing the tree and battling the bees? How often were you seeing the bush of berries? That stuff didn't grow in plots and farms like it does today. Another good point that I love. I love making this point because I'm a big Survivor fan.

I love Survivor. I've loved it since day one. And we were watching one of the newer shows and they had a survival challenge. And the kids, all of them were about 23 years old. There was three of them on the team. And they won the challenge. They were so excited. They got to choose between chicken and vegetables or cake cookies and ice cream. Okay. And so here they are, these three scrawny

little kids and they're like day 20. They're hungry and they're just sitting there and they're in Jeff's like, okay, what did you guys choose? And all three of them at the same time, chicken, like they went straight for the meat. And the thing I tell my girls is because I believe too, there's an order of meat, right? Like some is better than others. So if you're out in the woods and you have a bow and arrow and you're going to, you have one arrow and you can take a shot, no matter what, you're going to hit the animal you shoot. Let's just say, for the sake of saying, you're going to kill it.

And you see a deer and you can kill the deer. Or there's a chicken and you can kill a chicken from a ways away. Which one are you going to get? And they always go the deer. I'm like, why'd you pick that one? I'm like, well, because I like the taste of the deer better and it's more meat. And I'm like, exactly. Wait, your kids have had deer meat. Good for them. Oh, yeah. No, my dad is a hunting and fishing guide in the Olympic Peninsula. So I grew up in Forks, Washington, which is where all the twilight magical stuff is. They hate it out there with the twilight stuff. But he's a hunting and fishing guide. So I grew up hunting and fishing.

I grew up shooting a bow. I grew up fly fishing in my driveway, practicing, you know, like that's the, he was a third generation rancher. So I had grass fed beef. So it was a really, really awesome thing for us as kids. But yeah, ultimately you have to just go. If you go outside more often, if you just spend most of your time outside, you will get the intuitive knowledge you need to make a decision on what to eat. You will learn your environment. The thing is, is we're not outside.

We're completely disconnected from nature. Animals know when they have parasites and they know which plant to go eat. How do they know that? They're driven by those electromagnetic fields that are in everything. I'm curious about this because obviously you guys are wearing the glasses. How about red light therapy devices? Because it's something that we've talked about on the podcast before. And you guys use these things. How are they beneficial? Because a lot of people still think it's a fad, that it doesn't really do much. Oh, have you ever stood in front of like the, we have the fire hot. Well, can I, can I first start with just like the premise of red light and infrared light, right? So have you guys

heard of exclusion zone water? No. The fourth phase of water. Okay. So, so there's a book called the fourth phase of water. And if you do one thing this year, read that book, it will blow your fucking mind about just the truth of life around you. So there is a fourth phase of water and it is not liquid. It is not vapor and it is not solid. So it's not ice, steam, or liquid water. It is a fourth phase. It's a structured kind of water, and it exists in your intracellular matrix. And you know, just hold on, because I know you're going to talk about the mitochondria in a second.

So just hold that thought, because you're better at talking about that part. So this water exists in your cells, and it structures. And when it structures, it allows your cell signaling. I mean, this is one thing. It allows your cells to signal better. It's how your nerves send the signals through this very specific fourth phase of water. Do you know that Novocaine and Lidocaine, they work because they kill exclusion zone water? And so they stop the signaling of your nerves to your brain.

And that's why you get numb with Novocaine and Lidocaine. So that's its mechanism. And this water is, it's like thick, right? It's like a viscous. Yes, it's yes, exactly. And it, and it will structure to certain layers thick, right? So, um, why do all these guys tell you to go out in the sun in the morning? Because the infrared radiation from the sun quickly and sustainably builds your exclusion zone water, which is extremely favorable for not only your, just your cell health and your body, but then it triggers all the circadian biology in your body to start the day. So your, the, the, um, the, the red light is, you know, if you think about the spectrum of the sun,

as it goes from sunup to sundown, right? In the beginning of the day is when it's the highest percentage of red and the least amount of blue. And then as you get to noon, you have the greatest amount of blue. It doesn't mean you don't have any red. It just means you have the greatest amount of blue. And then as you go back, it goes in reverse order. But the morning sun is better because that's what our clock is reliant upon. So the red light is, yeah, I mean, people that are real basic will tell you, oh, it smooths your skin out and it does this for you. But they don't really understand why. And I'm only brushing the surface here. I mean, you read the book, you're just going to be like, holy shit. I'm really happy that guy told me to read the book.

Because you will realize why you do these things, why you go out and you expose your belly to the sun in the morning, because it's going to trigger all of these things. And they, so how they figured out the, the exclusion zone thing with the, with the infrared radiation. So it's infrared radiation that grows it. And they, they took, they were able to isolate this water with certain Teflon or something like that structures. And they put one in a box that had no infrared radiation and it just shrunk. It collapsed it.

And then they reintroduced it and it grew tremendously to three times the normal size. So think about that, right? If your body has been adapted to that over 200, well, more than that, the millions of years being in the wild, to waking up to the sunrise and being inundated with infrared light. And then all of a sudden we live in, we live in these fake caves for four walls and a ceiling. And the infrared light isn't this, or the infrared radiation is neutral all day. And we, we are losing that clock, that mechanism, that, that alarm clock for the true alarm clock for the body. Right? So what are we, what are we doing with red light? We're, we're simulating it, which sucks because we shouldn't simulate, right?

This should always be your step two, never your step one, the red light. But if you live in Wisconsin, like we do, sometimes you just got to make, you got to make things work, you know, if it's now, so now go ahead. Yeah. So the red light, we have the firehawk red light box and it's the big device from EMR tech, EMR tech. So Chris, Chris, Chris Cross, he, you know, he had vitiligo. And so that's how he got into this business was he was trying to cure his own vitiligo. And so he created the best, I mean, these things, oh, there's Jack right there. Jack works with him on this and he has low flicker rate. I mean, everything is, is for healing. So red light is therapeutic. I see it as being therapeutic. So if you're a human who's like super, superpowers,

like you're like Mark and your sweat doesn't stink. Right. And you're like, you have like tremendous energy. You're going to get some benefits from this, but you really don't need it. The people that need it are the ones that are constipated. Like if you're constipated, go stand with your belly in front of that red light every morning around sunrise, because it is going to penetrate into the mitochondria. That's what red light does is it gets deep into the mitochondria and your mitochondria produce redox, which is basically your energy of your cell, the thing that makes it go, hmm. That redox is red light. If you want to build your redox up, you need a lot of sun. It's like charging your battery. Red light will do that. So if you have

chronic fatigue, if you have fibromyalgia, all these diseases of like that they can't really figure out what's wrong. I have found a lot of people that get tremendous benefits from standing in one of these. And I mean, yes, we do it. We're in the top echelon of, we consider ourselves in the top echelon of health because we never get sick. We don't have any symptoms of anything. We're healthy. We're happy, but we still do it because we, like Tom said, we live in Wisconsin. So it can be confusing to the body. You know, like Chris will tell you, he's like, don't use it in the summertime, go out and get the sun, do the sun first because synthetic light is just the perversion of the sun. That's all it is. So yes, this can be so therapeutic and helpful for people. But again,

nature is the best. Light and cold in some ways work a little bit like food in a sense that's going to make your food, it's just going to make your efficiency a lot better. So the 300 calories that one person might eat, they might not be able to extract that much energy out of it because they're lethargic, they're not healthy and so on. While somebody else, they get that 300 and boom, they feel great and they're going to go work out and they're going to go and probably produce more of these natural things that we're supposed to be producing kind of in the first place. Yes, absolutely. You always just got to go back to what would nature do? That's it. Just what would nature do?

How is it in nature? And then your body, just like the vitamins you're talking about getting it out of the meat, your body will do it because that's how nature intended it to be. The red light will also, even though it won't do anything to the color of your skin, it's my understanding that it could assist you with getting a little bit more used to the sunlight. So it might be somebody with a really fair skin, some red light treatment is probably like the best place to start. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. We love it. Yeah. And then would you then, I guess, want to avoid it completely at night then? I think you can do it like, you know, you want to mimic the sun. So I think you would, you know, your best time is sunrise, but I, and Chris can tell me if I'm wrong with this, but

I think sunset also is when the red light happens. So I think around sunset, you can also get great benefits from it too. Yeah. But it's the same thing. So like we wear the yellow during the day, right? When the sun's up and we wear the red glasses at night, the red light is best if you do it around that sunrise, sunset. You don't want to do it necessarily, like you don't want to do it like 11 p.m. at night, right? You're sending confusing signals to the body, right? And it's the same thing with like a tanning bed. Like if you're going to lay in a tanning bed, lay in it between 11 and 2, 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. because that's when the sun should be at its solar peak. And that's when you're getting the most intense thing out of this tanning bed. So that's when you

should use that. If you simulate these things, I mean, again, you know, it's always simulations of perversion, but you know, that's the way to. Give us a, so people have something real tangible to walk away with here. Give us some of your favorite foods that you might recommend to some of your clients. Yeah. Well, any and all meat. We have a local farmer that we use called Waseda Farms in Wisconsin. They're grass-fed. I really recommend everyone try to find their local rancher and make friends with them because it's just so important and make sure the meat is eating the species-specific diet. Make sure it's eating the grass. Make sure it's eating herbs around. So Joel Salatin has Polyface Farms in Virginia.

That's like YouTube him and listen to him talk about the cows that go around and feed on all the herbs. And when you start taking all the different grasses and herbs out of the area and you don't keep it as natural as possible, the cows get sick. They get sick. Even if they're just eating regular grass, they have to eat what's in the environment, grown under the sun where they're at. So as much as they can be biodynamic farming, that's who you want. You got to find the person in your area and eat the beef. I mean, the beef is so nutrient dense for us. Fish is good, but again, fish is in the plastic filled ocean. So you got to fight with that. Sardines are great. We do in my program, we do a sardine fast where the girls eat just

sardines and they absolutely love it. Now there's some that don't, they choose not to do it. It's extra credit if they do. But anything with high DHA is really, really good for women. So interesting thing about women is if we carry our weight in our hips, in our butt, in our thighs, that's our place to hold our DHA. So DHA is made to build a baby's brain. You need a lot of DHA. You can have a bigger ass by having some fish. Right. Exactly.

And you want it. You heard it here first. Power project. That's right. Right. Exactly. And you want it. You heard it here first, Power Project. That's right. You want to have that there, especially if you're in your childbearing years, because that means that's where you're storing your DHA to grow your baby's brain. So, yeah. So I would say beef is probably our top pick.

But how do we eat, right? Like what do we do? We place about a $1,500 order every two to two and a half weeks. And then we put a whole bunch of basically it's everything from tenderloin to ribeye to, uh, to, uh, custom, they have a custom ground. This, this place does. It's just to die for a little tiny bit of bacon here and there, but we don't really eat that. Sometimes we give it to the kids more than that. Um, chicken thighs, uh, chicken breasts. And that is, that represents probably 80 and eggs and eggs. We eat a lot of eggs. 80, that order is 80 to 90% of our calories, probably. And if we're traveling more, obviously that's, you know, but that's how, like, if you want to 80-20 it,

that's how we live. Like we live order to order with our rancher. By the way, the kids too, minimal fruit and vegetables? Yes. From youth to like, what do you guys think about that? Yeah, we eat vegetables. Like I have no problem eating, like I'll chop a red onion or peppers or whatever and throw it into whatever I'm cooking. It's usually more just to have a difference in flavor. You know, I'd say

my cooking style is more Mediterranean, but we tend, like in wintertime, I'm typically carnivore. Like I just eat meat because the vegetables are shit. They're not growing. Very rarely do I do stuff like that because peppers really don't grow in Wisconsin. Maybe for a month they could because we can do that, but typically they don't. I try to just keep vegetables really limited, but we do eat them and the kids will eat them. They'll eat some carrots every once in a while, even though I don't think carrots are really great. You know, carrots, Queen Anne lace was used

as a form of morning after pill. So all these plants have- Wait, is that a pepper? Queen Anne's? Oh, it's a carrot. Carrot is the plant Queen Anne's lace. And that's the original plant. And that plant was used as a morning after.

So yeah, so we've genetically engineered it to be a carrot today. Plants do have toxins. That is not a lie. Yeah. So we eat low oxalate. We eat minimal veggies and we're real about it. We go out to eat on occasion. I mean, we're living in the modern world too. So we don't, I don't ever want to create an orthorexic where someone who's just constantly trying to control, like you, you live in the modern world. That's not good for you. No, right. It's not. Being stressed over anything's not great. So we, we, we do our best, but ultimately it's the meat, the meat and the fat. Ruminant, ruminant animals is best, right? Where they have the multi-chamber stomachs, they can properly digest the nutrients for us.

So ruminant animals are the best. I'm a strong believer in getting pork and dairy out of the diet. Dairy's okay a little bit in moderation, but pork is a 98.4% genetic match to us. So when we eat it, we tend to get really inflamed. That's why when you go in and get a heart valve replaced, it's a pig valve, right? It's because it's so close to us genetically. And so when we eat it, we tend to get really inflamed. And with women, we already tend to have a sluggish lymphatic system. And so we get really puffy, like our ankles will swell up,

our wrists will swell up. We just get puffy. So I try to avoid the pork. It tastes delicious, but not very much of it. A little bacon every once in a while, like Tom said. In the beginning of the podcast, you did mention herbs. And so are you kind of a believer that plants are maybe our medicine in some ways, but maybe not our food? Exactly. Yes. I'm a huge believer of that. I do think that, you know, that that's how nature designed it as we go find, that's how, what animals do. They go find the herb they need to help heal themselves. So yes, I've used herbs a lot, a lot, a lot. And, and it's amazing what the body can do when you find the right herb, but it's hard. And I would say it's about 20% of getting you there. 80% of it, probably 90% of it is your diet. But a lot of people, their guts are wrecked,

their bacteria is off, they got parasites, their immune systems are tanked. So they got to go in and clean up all the damage they did and herbs are great for that. A constant thing that's been beneficial for all of our health has been intaking enough protein, but also intaking quality protein. And that's why we've been partnering with Good Life Proteins for years now. Good Life not only sells P. Monti's beef, which is our favorite beef. And the main reason why it's our favorite is because they have cuts of meat that have higher fat content like their ribeyes and their chuck eyes, but they also have cuts of meat like their flat iron. Andrew, what's the macros on the flat iron? Yeah, dude. So the flat iron has 23 grams of

protein, only two grams of fat, but check this out. Their grass-fed sirloin essentially has no fat and 27 grams of protein. There we go. So whether you're dieting and you want lower fat cuts or higher fat cuts, that's there. But you can also get yourself chicken. You can get yourself fish. You can get yourself scallops. You can get yourself all types of different meats. And I really suggest going to Good Life and venturing in and maybe playing around with your proteins.

I mean, going back to the red meat, there's picanha. All kinds of stuff. There's chorizo sausage. There's maple bacon. That stuff's incredible. The maple bacon is so good. The maple bacon is so good. Yes, the maple bacon is really good. Yo, my girl put those in these bell peppers with steak and chicken. Oh my God. It was so good. But either way, guys, protein is essential. And the Good

Life is the place where you can get all of your high quality proteins. So Andrew, how can they get it? Yes, you can head over to goodlifeproteins.com and enter promo code POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your entire order. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. What are some herbs that are maybe popular that, like, there's the adaptogens and stuff like that. What are your thoughts on some of those things? And some of them can be good for your brain and stuff like that. Yeah, like lion's mane is really good for repairing the myelin sheath.

Yeah, that's all good. Yeah, like lion's mane is really good for repairing the myelin sheath. Yeah, that's all good. But again, in the beginning of this, when we talked about Jen and her story with her stroke in her arm, she was doing all that shit. None of it worked. It wasn't until she started eating meat in the adequate amount that her body needed it that it could repair. We underestimate what protein does for our body. It is a major healing factor for us.

So, yeah, I mean, you can do herbs all day long, but if you're not eating adequate protein, you'll get nowhere. Curious about your thoughts on this. Like you mentioned that certain plants don't grow in Wisconsin, but like for me, right? We live in Sacramento, but my mom and my dad are from Portacabra, Nigeria. So like literally I'm the first generation here, all my family's from over there. I don't necessarily have issues digesting much of anything, right? I don't eat a crazy amount of carbohydrates. I'll usually use carbs as a supplement. Except for onions.

You can't eat like a- Not a fucks, yeah. Fucks an onion. Yeah. You're like eating like a whole onion every year. There's a story there. There's a story. You just have some gut issues and all that.

Yeah, yeah. Cause I eat like a whole onion and some herring and it was so good, but that shit did not come out the right way. Yeah. Anyway, going back to what I was mentioning, most things like, for example, I don't really have an issue eating apples or certain things. I also don't eat excess carbohydrates, right? So if somebody finds that they don't necessarily feel that there's health issues going on, what would you have them think about? That's question one.

Then question two is like you, for example, and you, you know where you're from, right? Yeah. So do you guys pay attention to the things that have grown in that area where your ancestry is from or what's growing where you live? Great question. That's really good. Can I start with the first one? So, and I'm going to do the wide angle thing and I'll let her choose the tight angle. So the wide angle

perspective of your genes and like, okay, so you're the first one here. Your family originates from Nigeria. Yes. So if you're not having problems now, so have you ever heard of Pottinger's cats? No, I haven't. Okay. So this was a scientist. Did you know that was going this way? I knew you were going to bring it up. I couldn't, couldn't i can't help it's like my favorite thing not favorite because it's a good thing but favorite because it helps gets the point gets the point across it's been a little while since i've reviewed this i might i might be a little bit off so somebody's gonna back check me but whatever um it it's basically a doctor in like the 1940s i think it was uh named pottinger was uh dissecting um cats and testing detecting the adrenal adrenal ectomies on cats. And he, he

had these number of cats in his study and he was doing this particular study, right? And then he, he started getting these donations of cats to do this, these, these adrenal ectomies on, and he got more than he could feed. And what he wasn't expecting to find what he ended up founding. And so he, he fed these, these cats a certain diet and then some a different diet. And there was a species-specific diet. There's what the cats should eat. And then they had the condensed milk, the processed stuff. And then he fed some of them that and he kept really good notes. And what he found is that by the third or fourth generation, the calcium content in the cats that were fed the non-species-specific diet, the calcium content in the cats that were fed the non-species specific diet, the calcium content in their bones

dropped dramatically. By like the third or fourth generation, they started going blind. By like the fifth generation, they couldn't reproduce something like this. I mean, it could be the sixth. It could have been a third. I can't remember exactly. By the seventh, they were basically paralyzed. They were like practically crippled. So your generation one, do you think there's any parallels, you know, where your genes are in your environment right now? Are you going to, that's the question, right? Because so the cats, the environment includes your nutrition, right? They were in, they had the poor environment and by the seventh generation, they, they couldn't reproduce. So the cats that were fed, they were feeding cats, raw milk and raw meat. And then he got all this shit ton of cats and he was actually

looking for a cure to tuberculosis, I believe. And, um, so he got all this shit ton of cats and he was actually looking for a cure to tuberculosis, I believe. And so he got all these cats delivered to him and so he has all these cats and he's like, what am I gonna feed him? They started feeding him cooked table scraps and they started feeding them sweetened condensed milk and things they just had laying around and they started noticing the cats that were fed

that were like secondary cats that weren't a part of the study but backup were getting sick. laying around and they started noticing the cats that were fed that were like secondary cats that weren't a part of the study, but backup were getting sick. And they, they all of a sudden after four generations or whatever it was, they couldn't reproduce anymore. And so that's what it goes back to a species specific diet. And that's what I was saying is a lot of people think, you know, they, they want to get into the, Oh, we're omnivores thing, you know, and like, what should we be eating? And it just use your common sense. Really, what do most humans do best on? Most humans do best on meat. True.

Almost all of them do. So that's probably our diet. We're probably carnivores that are the apex predators that can be omnivorous at times because we're opportunistic. Because sometimes there wasn't meat and we adapted because our genes are opportunistic as well. And so we could survive by eating some plants, right? We developed that adaptation so we could survive, right? So this is what we've seen in the generations coming up is what are kids being born with now at astounding rates. Alarming rates. Autism and all these debilitating diseases that is like, why is this happening? Well, you got to go back to the Pondra's cat study and look at why did it happen to them? Their diet changed. For every generation that the cats got into the problem, it took that many generations for the DNA to get

cleaned up on the way out. So if a sixth generation cat was given a species specific diet of raw milk and raw meat, it took five more generations to get back to where their calcium was right, they weren't blind anymore and they could reproduce at the same rate. To me, that's like the craziest thing. I've heard this before about you potentially impacting five to seven and who knows how much longer, like your behaviors right now, the way you eat, the way you drink, the way you exercise, or the lack thereof of any of those things is not just affecting your potential children, but their children and so on. It's like, it's pretty wild responsibility

when you start to think about it. Oh, yeah, it is. I know, yeah. And it's been, well, it's empowering if you know what you're doing. And it literally, you're the survival of the wisest. Literally in 20, 30 generations, they're gonna look back at this time

and they're gonna go, that was the fork in the road that we stopped. It stopped being the survival of the fittest and it started being the survival of the wisest. And the people that are gonna be alive in 30 generations are the ones that are gonna be the ancestors of the peopleest and it started being the survival of the wisest. And the people that are going to be alive in 30 generations are the ones that are going to be the ancestors of the people like us now that are having these conversations

that are thinking about this stuff. That's going to be, because look, we're not cats. I get it. Somebody's going to be like, well, we're not fucking cats. Somebody's fucking going to say that. And that's fine.

And I get it. We're not cats. But the progression's pretty freaking similar, right? We're starting like in the 70s and 80s, there wasn't conversations about young kids not getting pregnant, right? Not at the rate they are now. There's one in 50 kids is autistic now. It was like one in like 10,000 40 years ago.

I have a question for you guys on this. And I don't disagree with you because like when you see like kids are spending way more time inside looking at screens nutritionist shit but you know let's say fucking the 20s 1910s society was a bit more agrarian so like if there was an odd person working or doing something in a field or something like they're just like ah you know jeff's a little odd jeff could totally be autistic but like no one no one called nobody quantified it yep and then there's the other thing where it's like and i was talking to my girlfriend about this apparently like when it comes to women who are artistic or young girls who are autistic

there are different things that are looked for versus young boys who are artistic and when you see rates going up some of that has to do with like oh we're actually seeing the proclivity to count it yeah but that doesn't doesn't, that doesn't, that's, I mean, that's probably a 10% issue, not a 90. You know, our genes aren't that fucked up to believe that, that, um, that 300 years ago, one in 50 of the offspring of the human race is the offspring of any animal race. One in 50 really fucked up. No, they're not. I just look at like back when we were kids, I'm a child of the eighties. I graduated in 1998 and the, the, we had about, I think there was in our, in our high school, right. It was four grades and I was in a small town. So there was about 400

kids in the high school and the whole high school. And there was maybe, I don't know, 10 children with disabilities back then they had their own, they had disabilities back then. They had their own, they had their own teacher. They had their own classroom. There's maybe 10 in the whole high school. It wasn't, it wasn't gray. It was pretty black and white. It wasn't like the 10 were the 10 and there weren't any other ones. My sister is, both my sisters work at the school and you go now and it has tripled with the children with disabilities. There's a problem. So there's a problem. There's a problem. Same number of kids going to the high school, but the disabilities have tripled.

So, you know, you just got to step back. There's also medication, right? There's medication for those things. So maybe it's being most likely stems from pharma, right? Planting an argument to distract us from the truth. Okay. Right? Like, oh, well, we're just counting more now.

That's why. I mean, that's just would be right what you'd say first. The children I'm talking about, too, with these disabilities, they're not just ADHD kids. These are actual severe birth-born disabilities. So they're kids that are in wheelchairs, kids that are nonverbal. So these kids have tripled in just since the time I've been there. Something's up. Something's up. Why do you guys care so much about this? Why do you have a family clinic that people can go to and get help? And then why you guys seem to be pushing on YouTube and social media? Why does it matter to you guys so much? So I have a big goal to get to the moms because I believe the moms, they're the health

center of the family and they're the ones that can educate. I think it's our roles. Our dads are the teachers of a lot of life skills, but moms really can help their kids to reconnect with their bodies and listen to their intuition because women are more intuitive and help their kids find that in them. And I think that we're just so disconnected between social media and just the state of the world that's in. We've lost that in the family, the matriarch. And so it's my goal to get back in with men. I'm not against working with the guys. We do have a men's program coming out, but the women are the health center and we need to get to them so we can get to the kids. And it's because it's, because really it's rooted in selfish, selfish, selfish desires. We want our kids to grow up and have a world to live in where it's like worth living, right? We want them to live in a world where people start thinking and stop dumping

plastic in the ocean. We want to start, we want to have a world where people start thinking and stop taking so many SSRIs and antidepressants that they end up in the water system and are recirculated into us causing endocrine disruptors, making boys wonder if they're girls, right? We need to start asking better freaking questions. And the way that you do that is you start by educating the women, restoring the bond or that generational link of knowledge. And then you, and then you go from

there, right? You start asking better questions and you start, like we say, we always say the woman is the health nucleus of the family. What the woman does, the men usually does. What the man does, what the husband does, the woman doesn't often do. So we do this for women. And then right in our program, right when we start, Candy says, one of the promises you have to make to me is that what you learn, you're going to share with your kids. Because it's selfishly, we want our kids to live in a better world. Yeah. Yeah.

And there's research. There's a huge link between the mother's education and the children's education level. And there's a huge link between what the mother does physically for fitness and what the children do. Probably because they're maybe closer in proximity

and maybe dad is off playing pool with his friends or whatever. That's right. Yeah. All right. Where can people find you guys and where can they find out

more about you? Yeah. So Instagram is a great place to learn more about us. We publish about a reel a day, one Instagram reel a day, and that's the Primal Bod. That's our handle. So that's where you can get a lot of information. Then our website is primalbod.com. And where's the book?

You guys got to make a book. We actually are talking. Oh, there we go. We're talking in that right now. It's probably going to be a year before it's done. But and then we're probably going to be more present on youtube soon we have a channel um i think it's called it's candy frazier is the channel yeah is the channel but we haven't we have some ideas we have some things fun are you are you actually paying your

son to do this or oh yeah or is it free labor over there well they they've they're they've been really helpful and not not not been too demanding. They appreciate the internship. Well, that's the thing, you know, back in the day, the generational wisdom, right? The father would teach the kids the art, right? And like, that's the idea is, you know, we go to college now and how many, how much we pay for college, 60, 80 grand to college, like that money should, the parents should be spouting that information. And so our kids are, our kids have been thoughtful and listen to us and they know right now they're getting paid in wisdom and they will be paid handsomely because

they're helping us establish an awesome. They have a perfect, they do. We don't, we don't, we're full wisdom. They all have brand new cars. Like they are not.

They're going to watch this. They're going to go, we're supposed to be getting paid. We're talking about getting, getting our oldest to be getting paid. Wait a second. What the hell? We're talking about getting our oldest son a BMW as like a bonus. So we're not like, we're also not evil parents. Right.

And we're living in the modern world. And like, might as well, if we have to deal with the consequences, we might as well deal with the consequences of the good and the bad. I love it. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never a strength.

Catch you guys later. Bye.