Morbid - Episode 253: Buried Alive

Episode Date: August 8, 2021

"If the beard wags, please no body bags." Today, Alaina is going to take you on a journey that you never wanted to take. Today, we go into the fear, history and hysteria around the idea o...f premature burial. In this episode, you will learn about screaming and chewing corpses, methods of making sure the dead is really dead, patented safety coffins and examples of real people who were buried alive. Maybe listen to this one in a big open field? Or the open ocean? I don't know. It may help.  Great resource: Buried Alive: The Terrifying History of Our Most Primal Fear by Jan Bondeson Ph.D Hellofresh Go to HelloFresh.com/morbid14 and use code morbid14 for up to 14 free meals, plus free shipping!” Good r x Start saving up to 80% on your prescriptions today. Go to Good R X .com/morbid.  Upstart Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/MORBID. Pretty Litter Love is putting your cat’s health first with PrettyLitter. Do what I did and make the switch TODAY by visiting PrettyLitter.com and use promo code morbid for 20% off your first order.  Noom Start building better habits for healthier, long-term results. Sign up for your trial at Noom.com/Morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:23 of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alena. And this is morbid buried alive time. A Friday morbid, feel good morbid, justid buried alive time. A Friday morbid, a feel good morbid, just bury yourself alive. A feel good, everybody's phobia, I'm pretty sure
Starting point is 00:02:11 we're bringing it here to the forefront today on this Friday. What in your brain was like, oh, yeah. What made you think of that? You know what it was? I was reading some other case, and there was another article I saw, or no excuse me, there was a book I saw
Starting point is 00:02:30 that was like about Barry to live. And I was like, I want that book. And I looked at it and I was like, oh, that's like a fucked up book. And I was like, I'm gonna buy that book. And then I bought that book. And then I started reading it. And holy hell, it is like the complete, in fact,
Starting point is 00:02:46 let me tell you what the book is because everybody should read it. Hold your horses, everybody. I hope you held all of those horses because I looked it up because I don't know where the actual physical book is. It's not in my general vicinity right now, but it's called Buried Alive, the terrifying history of our most primal fear.
Starting point is 00:03:05 And it's by Jan Bonden-Bondeson. A PhD. A PhD, oh, Jan, look at you. A PhD Dizzle. She was never like, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. She was like, PhD, a deal, a deal. Exactly, there you go.
Starting point is 00:03:18 And it's an amazing book, it's terrifying. It is all encompassing. It'll feel like you're being buried alive by like the scariest information ever. Every time you say buried alive, I don't know if you've noticed, but I literally have to take a deep breath. You're gonna have a problem with this episode then. I feel like I'll probably have a panic attack. Because I got about 10 pages of talking about being buried alive. Great, that sounds awesome. Thanks for signing me up for that. Well, in case you were wondering the phobia, the name of the phobia for fear of premature burial is tafophobia.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Tafophobia. Because tafos is from the Greek word, meaning tombs or graves and phobia is obviously like a deep fear or dread. All right. Yeah, that just reminded me of my big fat Greek wedding. Absolutely. Because he says like all words to arrive from the court. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that just reminded me of my big fat Greek wedding Absolutely because he says like all words to rife from oh there you go. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense There it is there it is
Starting point is 00:04:11 I got you got me. I was like how tell me how He's like comes from the Greek war to right I actually and I feel like it's true. It is because I feel like every time we go into something like that where we're like Will it derives from the Greek a lot of of things derives from Greek words and Latin words. Yeah, exactly. So there you go. The more you know. Yeah, don't leave a review and say I'm dumb.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Because I'm not. Maybe I am. Because I'm like, what? How does that have to do? No, our brains just work in the most safe way. They truly, truly do. So I also, I think everybody can agree that it very closely goes with like claustrophobia.
Starting point is 00:04:46 Yeah. You know, of course, because I think part of the whole thing is fear of tight spaces. Yeah. You're being closed in inside of the earth. Yeah. I also think it's like the fear of just like choking on dirt and that's how you die. That too. Like, it being suffocated.
Starting point is 00:05:01 I mean, you would hope you'd be in a coffin so you wouldn't choke on dirt, but you just kind of suffocate on no oxygen? I suppose. So I mean, either way, it's really not fun. I just don't like it. It's really not fun. And I actually, in the book that I'm writing, I have, like I had to do a ton of research
Starting point is 00:05:18 into this particular thing because of something in that book. Yeah. The more I read about it, we're working way around that. yeah. The more I read about it, the more I read about it, the more I realize that there's such of science to it too, like with how long you could survive, with however much oxygen is happening. It's like smaller people are going to survive longer because there's more oxygen, there's more space around them in the box, so there's more oxygen, there's more space around them in the box,
Starting point is 00:05:45 so there's more oxygen to take. It's like if you're in better shape, you're gonna all fuck me, right? Cool, listen to that new mat, I'm working on it, okay? It's called about 2021, I suppose, I don't know. It's like I'm calling myself out. Honestly, during this pandemic, like I don't think any of us are doing a lot of jobs.
Starting point is 00:06:06 We're not gonna do great nabox right now. I think we're all gonna be in trouble. But people who suffer from these things obviously tend to have panic attacks or panic symptoms whenever they are in enclosed spaces because it feels like they are being buried or are gonna be forgotten in a room or something of the way.
Starting point is 00:06:24 I literally have that on elevators. I can't do elevators. I hate elevators. They freak me out. They're also, I think of not only getting stuck in one because that's literally happened to me. I think of getting murdered in one and I think of, I lost my trade of thought.
Starting point is 00:06:38 It dropping? It dropping and I always think of how fucking dirty they are. Yeah. Cause I feel like elevators are filthy. Well they're just like a little jerkhole. Like just a little cube of petri dish-ness. A little vestibule of nasty. There you go, that's way better than mine, I like that.
Starting point is 00:06:54 But yeah, I'm always scared of those weird videos you'll see where someone goes to walk out of an elevator and it drops and they get like cracked in half or something. Yeah, it's terrible. It do be like that. But one of the most well-known or what people think is the most well-known tapaphobic is Aground Poe. And this, there really isn't a lot of concrete evidence to say that he was absolutely tapaphobic in life. People rely a lot on his stories being so heavily focused on this idea, but I think that maybe it was something one,
Starting point is 00:07:26 he was just interested in writing about and two, it was a common fear of the time, especially that time. So he knew it was gonna resonate with readers. I think it was just some thinking of the scariest thing he could think of. Because that's back when they would do like the... Oh, honey, we're gonna get all into it.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Oh, okay, okay. Oh yeah, we're gonna get all into it. It's also said that he was afraid of the dark. A lot of people say that, which may have also led people to put that along with a possible phobia of tight spaces and bought a boot, bought a beat. He's tough of phobic now.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Okay. He also did have a story about being buried alive, but again, he's a horror writer. Right. That's a scary thing. It doesn't necessarily mean it's your fear, but you know it's a lot of other people's fear. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:08:08 And actually, this woman, Susan Archer Weiss, was the one who claimed she knew Poe in his last few years of life. And she said that he was definitely tapaphobic. She wrote a book called Home Life of Poe about him. Don't worry for anybody who knows Poe, barely well and knows this name, and it's like, what the fuck? There is, she's not totally to be relied upon.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Just say no. But I wanted to put it in here because this might have been the reason why people hang on to the fact that he was like this such a well-known rep of Poe. So in that book, Home Life with Poe, she wrote, Mr. John McKenzie, in speaking of Edgar, bore witness to his high spirit and pluckiness and occasional schoolboy encounters, and also to his timidity in regard of being alone at night, and his belief in and fear of the supernatural.
Starting point is 00:08:57 He had heard Poe say, when grown, that the most horrible thing he could imagine as a boy was to feel an ice-cold hand laid upon his face and a pitch-dark room went alone at night, or to awaken in semi-darkness and see an evil face gazing close into his own, and that these fancies had so haunted him that he would often keep his head under the pet bed covering until nearly suffocated. Now this is what people point to to be like, oh, he's afraid of the dark. And it's like, no, I think he's just afraid of nightmare shit in the dark. I think he just can't shut his writer brain off.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Exactly. And it's like, those are pretty, like, yeah, those are the most terrifying things I can imagine. And I'm not really phobic of the dark. No, and those are also just like really common fears. Into me, him putting her saying like he would go under the bed covering until nearly suffocated. I don't think he was taffofobic if he could do that.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Well, that's the other thing. I'm like like, well can you say that he did that? Yeah. And then he was tapaphobic. So she was often said to be kind of a liar when it comes to how close she was with him. And but either way, that seems to be why a lot of people point to it. It was like a poe groupie. So I think she was a poe groupie. But that's just a little interesting tip because a lot of people when talking about buried alive, they immediately go to Poe. Yeah, because of his stories, but like it's really not that much of a connection. So let's start at 1670, shall we? Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go girls. There is a book entitled, and I'm just starting back here because this is like the beginning of
Starting point is 00:10:22 people being like really fucking worried about what's happening in a grave after people die. Really fucking concerned about that. Like obviously shit happened before this, but like this is when people were just starting to go like really crazy about it. You know, the 1600s were truly a time. It was the time when people just starting getting like real worried about everything. Yeah. It was just like, whoa, let's concentrate on something. Well, like we should be worried about everything right now.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Well, yeah, and I think it's like overkill now. It's like we flipped completely around. But there was a book called, no, I'm going to butcher this and I apologize, Day Miraculous Mororium. Day Miraculous Mororium. And it was by Christian Frederick Garmin. Now this, how do you wild chapter in this book? It was a wild wild chapter.
Starting point is 00:11:06 The chapter discussed a thing called Masticasio Mortorum, which is supposedly, and I butchered that, I'm sorry. I think you did a good effort. Which is supposedly the tendency of a corpse to eat its death shrouds and try to eat its own fingers and arms and shit after death. Oh, and what?
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Starting point is 00:13:37 But not this time. Or when you just like dip. Because after this groan, you will hear loud chewing and smacking sounds as this corpse begins to eat itself. This would send me to the moon because I have misophonia and I can't scan chewing sounds. So this would be me being like, bye. Like, I would just leave because I couldn't handle that sound of this. But that's the real, I mean, that's the real nightmare for me. But like for others, it might be the fact that there is a corpse eating itself.
Starting point is 00:14:04 You gave me like secondhand misophonia, and even hearing the term smacking sounds, all of a sudden I started hearing it, and I can't even think of it. But this book cited instances where people would exume corpses and find that they had chewed on themselves. But how is there any evidence that they chewed on themselves?
Starting point is 00:14:22 Because in some of these sources, they would find bits of flesh in their teeth and shit. Ew. It was apparently a sign of bad luck coming, like famine or disease or some shit. Something terrible coming. That's crazy. Okay, let me be devil's advocate.
Starting point is 00:14:37 And this is just like a straight up question. Could like insects eat you and then go into your mouth and like leave bits of like flesh that they'd eat elsewhere or like animals even No, no, I mean, that's that would be a stretch. Yeah, but I'm just like crawling your mouth and leave a scrap of flesh I don't know. It seems like a stretch to eat yourself after you die I think a lot of this was probably exaggerated. Yeah, but they're a weird Instance and this was the first beginning of people saying, well, wait a second.
Starting point is 00:15:07 So are people alive when they're being buried and they're like going so crazy under there that they start like gnawing at their own arms and shit? So this is the first like, whoa, wait a second. So in 1679 a guy named Philip Roar who was a popular theologian at the time, published a 24 page like dissertation, basically, and it was called Mastication Mortorum, or the chewing of the dead. Oh, that was, now this was also in the vampire panic time.
Starting point is 00:15:40 So this is in the time when everyone is assuming there's vampires just running about trying to eat people. There is. And people were sure that those who died would also suddenly come to life and start chewing on themselves, everything around them, and then come out and start chewing on your dumbass. Awesome. So to make sure this didn't happen, they would put a large rock or coin, or something like that in the corpse's mouth,
Starting point is 00:16:04 and then they would sew all around it, like sew your mouth shut around a giant rock. Like Billy. Like Billy and Hocus Bocus. Yeah, except for a totally different reason. It was just a guy, I knew. Just like Billy. Like all Billy there.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Oh, fucking Billy. Remember when they did that to him? Like all Billy the Buncher back there. Remember that? Yeah, except for very different reasons. Yeah, because Billy's mouth wasth was shot with a cheating shot with the dull needle so that he couldn't tell his secrets even in deaths.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Okay. And also because like didn't he like cheat on fucking Winnie with Sarah? Well, that was the reason he got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then she says so he couldn't tell her secrets even in death. He was not a good boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:16:42 He was a good person. He wasn't. But she also wasn't a good sister. But we're not going to say anything to that. Exactly. That's a whole different episode. That's a whole different episode. But yeah, so they would literally sew your mouth shut
Starting point is 00:16:52 around this giant rock in your mouth. Awesome. And skulls are found with giant rocks in their fucking mouths because of this, which is nuts to they break their jaws to get like a huge ass rock. And then it was like one that you you could at least put your mouth around, but it would lock your jaw around this, and then they'd sew the flesh out around it, so it was just huge rock.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I would stretch my mouth, but I'd TMJ, and then you'll hear all my crack. And it was so that if you woke up, and you were like, I'm ready to vampire this. You couldn't. You could. I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go,
Starting point is 00:17:28 I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go,
Starting point is 00:17:36 I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go,
Starting point is 00:17:44 I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm about to go, darn it! Not going to utilize any tools to get it all. Boyled again! Like it's just like that, say. You've got to be. Like nothing else. But either way. Along the same, you know, lines of this whole thing, in 1793, a German doctor named Michael Rampft published treaties concerning the screaming and chewing of corpses in their graves, which Ben Neymai call it,
Starting point is 00:18:07 big concerns there. Concerning the chewing and chewing of corpses in their graves. So already people are thinking shit really goes down after you die and are buried in the ground for real. People could not handle that, it just ends or that you just decay. Like that is. I don't wanna handle that.
Starting point is 00:18:24 They were positive that once that last scoop of dirt was thrown onto you, like that's when the party begins. You were about to just like rave in your coffin. Like you were just wading. Coughing rave, coughing rave. Just waiting for that moment, a blood rave, if you want. Like you were just ready to do this. Deceased first rave, it's hard to say.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Now to talk it, so that's like the beginning of just like the cr... like that's the kind of thinking that is happening here. Right. That we have kind of chaos. We have vampires waking up in graves. We have corpses just waking up and chewing on themselves and eating their burial shrouds in the middle of the night. As corpses do.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Yeah, as corpses do. So already we have this like what? What? What are you all thinking? We have. So of the time, there was some evidence that people would like, even famous historical figures, as we'll see, like George Washington,
Starting point is 00:19:10 put in their wills little stipulations to make sure that they were not prematurely buried. I'm gonna do that after this. Because it was a huge fear of this time. Now, George Washington was terrified of it, and he told his secretary, Colonel Tobias Lear, when he was dying, quote, "'I am just going, have me decently buried
Starting point is 00:19:34 and do not let my body be put into the vault in less than three days after I am dead." And his secretary said, "'I bowed a cent, for I could not speak. He then looked at me again secretary said, I bowed a cent for I could not speak. He then looked at me again and said, do you understand me? And I replied, yes, to as well, said he. Wow. So he didn't want to be put in the vault for three days because he was worried that it
Starting point is 00:19:54 just became there right away, that he was going to wake up and that was it. So he was like, wait three days, make sure I'm really dead. And then you can put me in the vault. They could have made a really heavy metal Hamilton song about that. They really could have, they really showed it. I'm a little disappointed Lynn Manuel. Lynn, Lynn, excuse me, can we, can we, can we retroactively add that? Can we get on the horn, Lynn?
Starting point is 00:20:12 Can we talk about this real quick? That would be really cool. Wow, that would be a really insane Hamilton. Lynn, I'm ready. Which I have this together. Let's do this together. We are ready. Zoom meeting.
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Starting point is 00:20:36 So where to make them cut me open, so I won't be buried alive. Whew. So another one, Danish author, Hans Christian Anderson, which most people will know that name. Yes. He would always, even before he was sick or ailing or anything, he would always carry around a note
Starting point is 00:20:52 that said, I am not really dead. And he would even sleep by finding him actual dead, though. And he would sleep with it next to his bed. Oh my God. Because he was so worried that he would be like in a deep sleeper, someone and somebody would think he was dead.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Not actually dead. And what's weird is that the time, people would go into these like weird trances sometimes. Like they would have like, because a lot of illnesses were going on. What a weird shit was going on. Yeah. I mean, look at the sale of much trials
Starting point is 00:21:15 and like the Ergot shit and all that, which I believe is the reason we're not gonna get inside. But there was all kinds of things that would make people go into what we now know are comas. Like, but at that point, they didn't realize that you were dead. You were just in a deep, deep coma. Right. So people would go into these comas and they'd be like, because a lot of times in a coma, like, you know, your body is trying to survive. So everything comes to a shallow breathing. And there's like shallowallow breathing, your heartbeat can be hard to hear.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Pulse is hard to find. Your pulse is hard to find. And they're not able to hook up a bunch of machines to these people, they don't have them. Why not? So all they're able to do is take some fingers and put them on there. And if you can't feel anything,
Starting point is 00:21:56 whoop, guess they're dead. Back then, they were probably using their damn thumbs. Exactly. So that it happened a lot, right? That people would think they were dead and they weren't. It makes sense. Now Alfred Nobel The one who created the Nobel Prize. Yeah him by leave it and he created that by leaving a ton of money in his will to fund
Starting point is 00:22:12 Those who contribute the greatest things to society which I love that so much. Yeah, he put in his will And I quote it is my express wish Sparsh wish for my express wish that following my death, my veins shall be opened. And when this has been done in competent doctors have confirmed clear signs of death, my remains shall be cremated in the so-called crematorium. I love that he specified competent doctors. Not just doctors, I would like you to find some competent ones. And when the competent ones say that I am dead,
Starting point is 00:22:45 then you can cremate me. Thanks, thanks, thanks. Now, it was during the 19th century that a man named C.A. Reed of Newton, Massachusetts. Hey, oh! Also put in his will, he left $500 for a doctor to cut off his head to make sure that he was dead. I love that he was like, take this and chop my fucking head off.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Also like 500 bucks to capitate me. I feel like 500 bucks for like a post-mortem to capitation. Doesn't feel, well when was it? It was in the 19th century, that's all we know. Okay. Now, in the 1880s, and this is really interesting to me, so we're going up to the 1880s now. Yeah, we're getting like almost modern. We're almost there. But we, I wanted to put those in there
Starting point is 00:23:28 just so you could see that really note like people who have known people of the time were worried about this. This wasn't just people running around being crazy. This was people who people trusted, people who, people knew, who created things that we've all seen and loved that were very, very scared of being buried alive because it was like a insane fear. It was like a, it was like satanic panic but like very alive panic. But it was, but it was also like pretty justified because shit was happening at the time. In the 1880s in Germany, they created these things called waiting mortuaries. These were literally morgs, where they supposedly dead people would lie in state for a few days to make sure that they were really dead before proper burial commenced.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Now, the trays that they would lay on, and they would lay in like a line, the trays were zinc and were filled with antiseptic. All of this was done to make sure no infection would set in in cases before a lot of. And they would also pump steam into the room to hasten the decomposition process, so they could like quickly see if they were really dead. Wow, that is actually very cool.
Starting point is 00:24:38 But the smell. Yeah, the smell. If y'all are straight up dead, it's about to stink up in there and there is a line of dead bodies and you were just pumping steam into the room And then like you think like the bugs that start to come whoo That's that shit, but this is super interesting though because they would cover the perimeter of the trays with fresh and Fragrant flowers and this would be to mask smell. And it is said to be where the tradition of putting flowers at the graves of dead people and also bringing them to funerals and flowers.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Oh, shit. Came from. That's cool. Isn't that a pretty smarty pants? Isn't that cool? Yeah, I love that. They would also be attached, these people would be attached to an alarm and a bell system
Starting point is 00:25:21 so that if there was any movement, the people working would be alerted very quickly. Like they asked up. Unfortunately, as with the safety coffins that we're going to talk about in a minute, they weren't completely up on the movement, then it kind of cur, once you're really dead, people sit straight like that. There's literally like swelling, releasing gases, going through rigor, all that. So these, I mean, rigor, it happens, rigor breaks.
Starting point is 00:25:44 There's going to be some movement. There's going to be some movement, there's going to be some shifting. Sometimes they say, and so these alarms would go off a lot and leave a lot of people disappointed because they would think that their loved one is waking up. Oh, that's so sad. Now, someone would be working there at all hours in case someone woke up, and apparently people would pay to walk through there and just look at the bodies. That's like the Paris mortgage. Yeah, it literally is. And according to the history collection, sources say between 1822 and 1845, 465,000 people were taken to these waiting mortuaries and not one of them woke up from their deaths. Yeah, so it wasn't as common as people thought.
Starting point is 00:26:22 No. Now, one way that is wild that was actually used to determine if someone was really dead, and this is so interesting to me, was to use invisible ink made of acetate lead. Now, invisible ink was made like way back in like, you know, Roman times. It was like super early, but they would use this acetate lead that reacts with sulfur dioxide and becomes visible. Now they would actually write an invisible ink. I am really dead on a piece of paper. They would then place this piece of paper under the dead person's nose on their face, and
Starting point is 00:26:57 the theory was, if they were really dead, then the gases emitted after death while rotting would activate the invisible ink. And boom, now they know they have a dead person. All of a sudden I am really dead would come onto the paper. I love how like, just fucking spooky and metal this is. The most macabre. Like it's the most.
Starting point is 00:27:15 It's Halloween all the time over there. It is, I love it. And it sounds pretty solid. Except that bad dental hygiene can produce the gases needed to activate the invisible ancter. And during this time teeth were not exactly top priority. Like it was like we were like, there was no like you know, aspen dental like around you know what I mean. So like no cold gate. People had some tough teeth situations. Yeah. And some sulfur dioxide was definitely
Starting point is 00:27:42 leaching out of those holes in their face. and some sulfur dioxide was definitely leaching out of those holes in their face. So, we're definitely going to get into some methods for determining if death actually occurred in a minute, so don't worry. But they would also do this one in a scarier way, too, which I think is a scarier way. An attendant would use silver nitrate to brush the words, I am dead, and silver nitrate on a paint of glass placed over the coffin? Then the words would stay invisible
Starting point is 00:28:11 until the gases from the decomposing body would suddenly make I am dead show up on the fucking coffin. That's kind of like really cool and I feel some type of way about feeling like this. Awesome. I want them to still do that, please. I feel like there's like a movie or a book there somewhere and I don't know where, but I gotta,
Starting point is 00:28:31 I gotta suss it out. Should we like put that in our will? Like what? Like for real. It's so cool. That's really cool. It's crazy though, but again, this didn't work a lot because people just weren't up on what was coming up. I'm just kidding
Starting point is 00:28:48 I think my thing guys you're like no, but No, it was like the hardest because it comes out of people's mouths When they have bad so There were times when those words would show up and it was just you had stanky breath. You got wrinked That's all now. Let's get into further what they would do to try to make sure you were dead. Now everyone let us hold on tight to your butts.
Starting point is 00:29:13 In 1752, Antoine Lewis was like, maybe we could blow a ton of tobacco smoke up the dead guys' ass for why? That would probably make them wake up, right? Correct? Yeah, I don't know, so they would do that. Okay. They would just blow up on Chatebatco's smoke up their ass
Starting point is 00:29:32 and then they were like, whoop, they're still dead. I want to know whose job it was to blow the tobacco into somebody's booty hole. That's what I was saying. How do you just set, you know what, Dad? You know what I wanna be when I grow up? I'm gonna blow tobacco smoke up someone's ass hole Yeah, we got to make sure they're really dead dad I'm doing the Lord's work here. So I was literally just gonna say I'm doing the Lord's work
Starting point is 00:29:51 Because in 1854 another Frenchman was like hmm, no, maybe don't do smoke. I think um a Red Hot Poker would work better To which I say yes Is it like, sort of rising a dead body? Well, that's, I'm like, whoa guys. Ah, I feel like this is bad. I'm clenching my sphincter.
Starting point is 00:30:12 This is really bad. So then in the same year, another Frenchman was like, no, I got it. She did it though, did he? And he invented the Pints Memellen or Nipple Pincher. Stop.
Starting point is 00:30:27 And it did what it says. And it was supposed to wake up anyone that was just transcing. Just really excite you. If you were transcing, just a little foreplay. You wake up and be like, ah! Like you just didn't, you really like, well. That's fucking hilarious.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Like how many people woke up and were like, not my cake. Oh my god. Or a few people woke up and were like like, not my cake. Oh my God. Or a few people woke up and we're like, how'd you know? Oh, you wanna go out tonight? Oh, like the nipple picture. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:30:52 I love that he had to invent that as well. Like you can just send someone to like pinch the nips. Yeah, he sure did. Now between 1720 and 1722, there was a great plague in Marseille. It's a childless thing. You said a great plague. It was a great plague in Marseille, which I listed out. You said a great plague. It was a great plague.
Starting point is 00:31:08 A great plague in Marseille, and 50,000 people died. Oh, shit. Not in France, by the way. In case you couldn't tell. 50,000 people died of this plague. Now this place called Observance Monastery was used for for the burial place and it was excavated in 1994 because they were doing, you know, shit we do, we just dig shit up and build more things over it. Deforestation. Now two corpses were found at this site that had long brass pins inserted
Starting point is 00:31:39 under their big toes, their big toenails. And this was another... Don't. This was another old time you wait to make sure someone was really dead. Make it quick. Again, make it quick. That's gonna be, that's gonna wake me up. If I'm just trancing, it's gonna wake me up. Now, here's some other things that we could do.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Outtoning. One thing that I read said, the person's nostrils should be, quote, irritated by introducing stimulants, juices of onions, garlic, and horseradish. Okay, no, I can take that. Which I was like, that just sounds awesome. I love the smell of all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Which I would probably wake up and be like, are we having a similar? What's going on? Like what's going on? Let's get it. Is there a sharp poultry around here? Oh, bitch. You could also tickle them with a quill of a pen.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Do it. You could. They're like, no, my king got all over your guy. I love that they're like, we'll tickle you with the quill of a pen or we'll thrust a sharp pointed pencil right up your nose. Oh, no, that's weird. We could also rub your gums with garlic. Okay, I'll take it. That would burn. I feel. You think? Oh, yeah, yeah, it definitely would. You could fuck up the skin with whips and nettles. I fucking hate nettles. Your intestines could be fucked up with some enemas that they could do. Oh, I'll teach.
Starting point is 00:32:55 They could violently pull on all your limbs. No, can we be nice to that? We could shock the ears with quote, hideous shrieks and excessive noises, which would be the thing like me up. Yeah. I fucking hate loud noises. It freaks me out. I don't like loud noises. Hideous shrieks and loud noises. No, but that would definitely wake me up. Yeah. You could also pour vinegar and pepper into the person's mouth. That's just terribly rude.
Starting point is 00:33:19 And also they wrote quote, where that cannot be had because you can't find vinegar and pepper. It is customary to pour warm urine into it, which has been observed to produce happy results. I doubt that. I'm gonna go ahead and be the first to doubt that. Then you could also cut their feet with razors, thrust needles and pins under their toenails, and pour boiling Spanish wax on their forehead. Oh, so all those things you could do to make, you know, we got to make sure you're really dead. under their toenails, and pour boiling Spanish wax on their forehead. Oh!
Starting point is 00:33:46 So all those things you could do to make, you know, we got to make sure you're really dead. I guess so. I don't want you to just be trans in all, but I want to put all of those things. All of those things at once. Well, if you're really dead, it won't matter, but if you're not, you'll wake up, I suppose.
Starting point is 00:33:58 You'll wake up real mad. Real mad, but just sticky, real smelly. Get on the way to get a lawyer. Yeah, a lot. Now, a guy named William Teb was a social reformer. And in 1896, he, along with Walter Hadwin, I end a doctor who was almost buried alive himself, you know, Edward Perry-Volum.
Starting point is 00:34:18 They created premature burial and how it may be prevented with special reference to trans, cataplexi, and other forms of suspected animation, published in 1896. This book basically lays out a ton of real instances where someone was buried while still alive, and it also tries to understand how to prevent it from happening in the future.
Starting point is 00:34:38 People were like really into William Tab. All right. Tab, excuse me. The same year, Tab, along with Walter Hadwin, founded the London Association for the Prevention of Primature Barrel. So, this was huge. They used this association to disperse the book that we just talked about.
Starting point is 00:34:54 And also other books from other social reformers and people who were basically as paranoid and scared of Primature Barrel as they were. And they basically campaigned to make sure the signs of death were absolutely concrete and were dead set, pun intended, on stopping the epidemic of premature burials that they saw was going to be like the end times. We were just going to all be buried into the world. Now, when Ted himself died in 1917, he put in his own will that quote, unmistakable evidence of decomposition should be visible
Starting point is 00:35:25 So he was cremated a week after his death. Wow And it kind of made me think immediately of the Wizard of Oz, you know the corner in the Wizard of Oz When they they say that the witch is dead and they're like she's morally ethically spiritually Positively Absolutely undeniably and reliably dead. Yes. I think that's literally how they live their lives.
Starting point is 00:35:49 I love that. And then I love the song of the coroner when he's like, as coroner, I must of her, I thoroughly examine her and she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead. Do, do, do, do, do do do do do do do do do. Your memory is I like any other. I was one of those little, but yeah. So they were just talking about like,
Starting point is 00:36:12 I'm pretty sure they were probably thinking about William Ted. They're just preaching his gospel and that's like, really? They were. Now there's also a publication that really fed into people's fears at the time, called the Undertakers and funeral directors journal.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Ooh, was it real though? Was it though? They had a story in it that goes a little something like this. Lent the ball at the time. Mrs. Lockhart of Berkhill, who died in an 1825, used to relate to her grandchildren the following anecdote of her ancestor, Sir William Lindsay of Covington, towards the close of the 17th century. Sir William was a humorous and noted more over for preserving the picturesque appendage of a beard at a period when the fashion had long passed away.
Starting point is 00:36:57 So, like, he had a beard when it wasn't cool to have when I was around. What a weirdo. What a cool way to know him by. He had been extremely ill and life was at last supposed to be extinct. Though as it afterwards turned out, he was merely in a quote, dead faint or trans. The female relatives were assembled for the chesting,
Starting point is 00:37:16 the act of putting a corpse into a coffin, with the entertainment given on such mel- Why can't I speak? With the entertainment given on such melancholy occasions, in a lighted chamber in the old tower of Covington, where the bearded knight lay stretched upon his beer, but when the servants were about to enter to assist in the ceremonies,
Starting point is 00:37:38 I just lost my place, excuse me. Isabelas Somerville, Sir William's great granddaughter, and Mrs. Lockhart's grandmother, then a child, creeping close to her mother, whispered into her ear, the beard is wagging. The beard is wagging. Mrs. Somerville, upon this, looked to the beer and observing indications of life in the ancient night, made the company retire. And Sir William soon came out of his faint.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Her hot bottles were applied and cordials administered, and in the course of the evening, he was able to converse with his family. They explained that they had believed him to be actually dead, and that arrangements had even been made for his funeral. In answer to the question, have the folks been warned? Invited to the funeral, I mean. He was told that they had, that the funeral day had been fixed, an ox slain, and other preparations made for entertaining the company. You know, you slay an
Starting point is 00:38:29 ox for entertaining company. Cerwilliam then said, all is as it should be, keep it a dead secret that I am in life and let the folks come. So he's like, let everybody come to my funeral. I love it. Let's do this because he wanted to see who'd show up. Yeah. His wishes were complied with, and the company assembled for the burial at the appointed time. After some delay, occasioned by the non-arrival of the clergyman, as was supposed, and which afforded an opportunity
Starting point is 00:38:57 of discussing the merits of the deceased, the door suddenly opened, went to their surprise and terror, in step to the night himself, pale in continents and dressed in black, leaning on the arm of the minister of the parish of Covington. Having quieted their alarm and explained matters, he called upon the clergyman to conduct an act of devotion, which included thanksgiving for his recovery and escape from being buried alive. This done, the dinner succeeded. A jolly evening, after the manner of time was passed, Sir William himself presiding over the carousels.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Wow. So he was like, come to my whole last funeral. Actually, it's a surprise party. Actually, it's a feast and celebration of my life, which continues on. Yeah. But it was, you know what? All are moved.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Exactly. And you know what? The stories like that, which were relayed as, because nobody knows if that's true or not. Yeah, sounds like. But they were relayed as truths in the time where people like see. Yeah, like I was like a diary.
Starting point is 00:39:52 It was about to die put into the fucking earth. But so the idea of all this is that before your ass is interred into your final resting place beneath pounds of earth, it would be who've any doctors in the area to make sure that you are definitely dead. To make sure your beard is wagging. Yeah. Just we're gonna, if the beard waggs you stay a damn it I thought I had something in there. If the beard waggs, all I can think of right now is the beard waggs, no body bags. That's what we got. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it.
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Starting point is 00:40:52 Now, there's a lot of safety coffins that were made. I picked a few that I could find the patents for. I went on a patent search. So, patent number 81437 was granted to Franz Vester on August 25, 1868 for, unquote, improved burial case. Now, this one was complicated. It had a ladder, a bell, and an open airway in it. Basically, the ladder was above the person's head, and if they awoke,
Starting point is 00:41:24 they were supposed to climb the ladder up to the surface But if they were too tired or weak from like dying to climb the ladder There was a safety measure for that too. In the corpse's hands They put a length of rope and that rope led to a bell on the outside of the grave If they couldn't bring themselves up the ladder then they could just pull the rope to ring the bell and let everyone Who happened to be passing by that there was a living person in the ground. So that's a pretty good one. I think that's great.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Just like kind of complicated. Options. These ones are complicated too though. I don't think any of them are like very chill. And they're all like very intense. This one is patent number 268-693, and it was granted on December 5, 1882, to John Crickbaum for, quote, a device for indicating a lot life in buried persons. This one has a more advanced indicator above the ground so that people know what's happening
Starting point is 00:42:17 underneath. It's not just a bell. It's like a whole contraption to say, hey, I'm not dead yet. Okay. So this one isn't a coffin itself, but it's actually something you place in the coffin and above it. So you have to get your own coffin. BYLC.
Starting point is 00:42:33 I love that. We just did that. You have to kind of hole in the top of your coffin you choose. And then you thread this T-shaped tube into it. It's like what you would hold looking through a periscope. Okay, I think the two things. Sure. This tube that is placed on the corpses chest can be turned by their hands if they wake up. Like you're revving like a room room. Yeah, you're revving a room room.
Starting point is 00:42:57 Maybe you're revving a motorcycle. Look at me, fast and furious, room room. When the tube is turned, Look at me, fast and furious, room, room. When the tube is turned, it will engage a part of the mechanism that is above the ground. Now the part above the ground is attached by a series of interconnected tubes and appears like a box scale on the surface, like a scale that's just like a box shape. When the tube is turned in the corpse's hands, it will make the marker on the scale move to indicate to those above the ground that there is movement of the tube inside of the coffin.
Starting point is 00:43:33 Okay. If the person, and it says, quote, in the actual pattern, it says, quote, if the person then should turn in the coffin or make any more violent motion, you will push the pipe upwards and push the cover off the box. The catch on the sleeve will be pushed over the flange collar and hold it
Starting point is 00:43:50 up so that nobody from the outside can push the cover down again. A supply of air sufficient for allowing the person in the coffin to breathe freely enters the coffin through the pipes and will keep them alive until help arrives. Okay. Now when things have gone the other way and the person really is dead, you would wait a sufficient amount of time and they don't tell you how long is sufficient, but I suppose that's for everyone to decide it. Five minutes.
Starting point is 00:44:16 And then you can remove this entire apparatus only leaving the T-shaped tube in the coffin. Okay. So the T-shaped tube is a one-time use, but it looks like the rest can be reused. We love that. Yeah. We do say the recycle. Next one, patent number three, two, nine, four, nine, five was granted on November 3rd, 1885, to Charles Sealer and Frederick Born Trigger for a quote, burial casket. Okay. This one's wild. I'm ready. It's so complex and intense and awesome. So calling this one a burial casket is like very humble of them. Like this is not just a burial casket.
Starting point is 00:44:51 There are fans, feathers, forest air mechanisms in this one. There's a cord attached to the dead person's hand. If there's movement of their hands, it will trigger into motion a clockwork gear mechanism that will run a fan. This fan will force breathable air down into the coffin. So this person just gets blasted with oxygen, which might be a little scary. But like, hey, that might be exciting if you can't breathe. Woo! You're like, I can see breath.
Starting point is 00:45:18 I know the air is here. Wow. You know? Wow. Yeah. I know. Yeah. From, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, know. Yeah, boom, boom, boom, boom. On the other end of the coffin, they have another tube where a lamp is passed down. Under it, no, under it will be a reflective device, like a mirror, that will throw light onto the face of the person in the coffin.
Starting point is 00:45:38 So if you look down the tube from the surface, you can see them. You will see the person's face so that they can be like, hey, hey, I'm awake, Suppy, that's, that's, no, that's a no for me. I like that one. But that's also not all connected to another. But wait, there's more. Is another chord that when any movement happens, it will force a, it will force a rod through the earth.
Starting point is 00:46:01 And attached to that rod will be a flag with feathers on it or something else that will indicate someone is alive under there. And that's not all. By moving their hands, they will also already have a wire attached to their thumb and running to a battery. And when they move their thumb, it will trigger a legit alarm system that goes off. Once the circuit is complete between the ground, the person, and the alarm. I see that they spent a lot of time on this, they sure did, like, it lets cover all our bases,
Starting point is 00:46:32 but it also feels like a lot could like, short circuit here, the battery could die, the feathers might blow away. Yeah, you know what? The more bells and whistles it has, it's like a car. The more shit you have on it, the more shit they can go wrong. Yeah. It's like a car, the more shit you have on it, the more shit that can go wrong. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:46 It's like a high efficiency dryer, if you will. Yeah, it really is. So it's, again, it's like you, I started adding all this crazy stuff onto it, more stuff is gonna break. Yeah, and also, I don't wanna install that shit onto my loved ones coffin. No, it's a little too much for me.
Starting point is 00:47:00 But that's a lot. And then I feel like, no, even if I'm installing that, then forever I'll be hopeful that like something might come of it. Yeah, exactly. And then I love to evolve the game. And then nothing feel like no, even if I'm installing that, then forever I'll be hopeful that something might come of it. Yeah, exactly. And then I love to want to die. And then nothing happens and you've just done all that. And then, you know, what happens when they really die? And you gotta do that all over again.
Starting point is 00:47:13 Exactly. It gets expensive. It does, it gets expensive, it gets labor-intensive. It gets excessive. I know you start wondering what am I here for? I'm right. You start getting existential. It was literally just going into the crisis.
Starting point is 00:47:24 I mean, I don't want any of that Fuck it. Well one of the safety coffins that a lot of people know about like actually kind of like Took on some steam a little bit Was by count me Michael day karni's karniki who was the Chamberlain to Nicholas the second of Russia Now he was stressed out and to make this because he had seen a young girl almost buried alive. Oh, oh, this came out of stress. That'll change you. That'll change you.
Starting point is 00:47:52 He said after hearing her screaming to be let out from her own grave, he was obsessed to make sure it never happened to anyone again. Now this was in 1897 and so this one had a tube which came from inside the coffin up above ground. At the coffin end of this tube, there was a glass ball hanging over the dead person's chest. Any movement, any breath or anything would make this delicate glass ball move in the air, and this would automatically set off a spring-loaded mechanism that opened the top of the tube
Starting point is 00:48:23 to allow air to come into the coffin immediately. Like the burial casket, once this was all triggered, a bell would go off and a flag would shoot out from the ground four feet up into the air. Oh damn. To let people know shit was going down for real in there. Down there. And in case you are bummed to be interred into the ground in the dark and haven't heard anyone say, like, hey, are you dead in there or not? Like, you haven't heard the parade of, like, I'm not dead yet, haven't right? There's a lamp that will burn when it gets dark. So you can fully comprehend the nightmare situation you are in of being trapped unable to
Starting point is 00:48:58 move in a coffin in the ground. Do I get to, like, pick the style of my night light? No. All right, I'm out. See, it's important to have a sense of when it's nighttime while in this position, because then you can really soak in the terror of being alone in your own grave and a cemetery surrounded by dead bodies
Starting point is 00:49:15 in the middle of the night. I feel. No, I feel like it's very important to like, be like, oh, like the light comes on. It's just like, boom, it's like one of those automatic time lights and you're like, oh, cool, it's nighttime. I'm in the cemetery in the ground in my coffin and nighttime.
Starting point is 00:49:29 No, thank you. It's like, oh, good. Partied. Partied. So another positive for this one though, was that it was himmetically sealed so that if the person did start running from like actual death, the gases wouldn't be rising
Starting point is 00:49:43 out of the pipes because that would be bad. At least they thought of that. Yeah, you don't want dead people gases just like floating around. Can't say I do. You could also reuse this one if the person wasn't really dead. Again, recycling. So one problem though is that any slight movement of the glass ball would trigger the alarm
Starting point is 00:49:59 and sometimes like we said, corpses bloat, they swell, they move weirdly, gases emit, shit will move. Sometimes they could move over onto their side because of just shifting. That's why it's wild. A chicken happened in there. And of course, at this point, they just weren't aware of all the shit that happened. We didn't have body farms back then.
Starting point is 00:50:18 Like, Bill Bass was the one who was like, hey, look at the shit that happens when you die, guys. For real. We needed Bill. Where were you, Bill? Bill. Bill. Bill. Except a at the shit that happens when you die, guys. We're like, we need a bill. Where were you, Bill? Bill. Bill.
Starting point is 00:50:28 A different one. Oh, I love you, Bill. Bill's not a good bill. Right? There really is. There is. Yeah, you're right. So he was determined to get this to be like the norm coffin.
Starting point is 00:50:39 He was like, I want this to be everyone's coffin, not just like people would choose it, everyone should have this. And he would go around it like conferences and talk about this. And at one, he said, quote, according to the declarations made by grave diggers of the great cities of all countries, when at the end of five years, the dead are removed from the common grave, they find in the coffins convulsed skeletons with fists clenched, which is like, okay, we now know that that's not how that goes. Twisted and raised to the jaws.
Starting point is 00:51:09 In every part of the world, there's not a community of any importance, town or village where some memory is not preserved of people buried alive. And this memory remains like a permanent terror through all time. And he like, I should say there's an exclamation point at the end of that.
Starting point is 00:51:24 So he was like, no, like he was like Dwight Shrewd at like the I should say there's an exclamation point at the end of that. He was like, like, he was like Dwight Shrewd at like the sales conference when he's doing all those like famous speeches. You'll get me off as people. This was the one everyone was real psyched about. After these conferences, they were like, yeah, everyone should have it. Everyone should have this. Mass-produced these. I guess this really esteemed French physiologist named Charles Richett. He said, The problem is solved. Lethargy is vanquished. Which, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:51 I'm obsessed. Which hell, yeah. Like, I saw that as a hilarious. I don't even know, but it needs to be in there. Yeah. The problem is solved. Lethargy is vanquished. I love it.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Yes. I'm here for it. And our dude, William Teb, he endorsed this as well. All right. So he was like, all the more. Everybody's cheering up together for this afterlife. Unfortunately. Unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:52:13 Unfortunately, he went on tour to demonstrate this coffin. Sweetie would happen. During one of the demonstrations, the person in the box couldn't trigger it properly. And they had to hastily dig the person out. I see. People immediately were like, well, I'm done with that. Like, nope.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Oh my god. Which is dumb, but it was really, it's problems with everything. And the newspapers immediately like latched onto it and just destroyed it. And did they make fun of him forever? Yeah, like his reputation was like ruined. But it was really that and the idea
Starting point is 00:52:42 that if it was triggered by something like normal postmortem movement or swelling, that you would be digging up a ton of corpses for no reason. All the time. Like it was just going to cause a lot of people to get dug up. Now I thought these safety coffins were like a thing of the past. Like when we talk about this, we're like, yeah, like that was back then. Yeah. Like we know now.
Starting point is 00:53:01 But I'm reminded of that clip of Madison from American Horror Story when she says, Surprise Bitch. I bet you thought you saw the last of me. Yes. Because I searched patents for more devices like these. I was like, I just want to see. I found one from 1921. Okay. And it's called quote, an exclusively owned post mortist reactive screen to prevent premature burial. Wow. There isn't any real information on this. I think it's just a screen that is supposed to be like in the coffin that you can see the person and you'd be like, oh, look, they're waking up.
Starting point is 00:53:34 Let's go get them. So they're not buried six feet under anymore. I think they had no idea how to make this. They just had something that they wanted. They had some way that they were gonna have either like a viewing screen where you could actually look into it and watch the person, you know, like some kind of thing. I know, and it's like, that's like really pretty genius. There's another one from 2014.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Bitch, that's when I graduated high school. Wow. Moving on from that. It's US patent 888-476-8B2. You know it. I love it. You love it. Yeah, you believe it.
Starting point is 00:54:12 I love it. I love it. Yeah. It's a portable alarm system for coffins. And the portable alarm system for coffins is a system that enables a person who has been mistakenly interred to transmit a signal transmitting structure, removable, and removably secured in the coffin or tomb.
Starting point is 00:54:30 A lamp or light source provides illumination for the tomb or coffin to alay the effect of panic for the entombed person. A receiving device is located in a prominent place, whereby the transmitted signal may be readily to delay the effect of panic for the entombed person. A receiving device is located in a prominent place whereby the transmitted signal may be readily and quickly observed by security or other personnel. After a predetermined period, the system can be easily removed from the coffin for reviews, which I'm going to be honest.
Starting point is 00:55:00 I think that's kind of awesome. I like it a lot. Why not? Let's do it. I mean, why not? What's the harm? What not? Let's do it. I mean, why not? What's the harm? What is it? We're just, you know, why not?
Starting point is 00:55:08 It's just like, everything will be fine. Don't worry about it. If they're really dead, we have to, it's like, if you're really dead, you have nothing to worry about. Prove it. Prove it to me. Prove it.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Yeah. What, you don't want to prove it? So that's 2014. That's crazy. So it's still very real. The real, real enough that US patents are being awarded for new inventions to prevent this from happening. That is crazy. So it's still very real. The real real enough that US patents are being awarded for new inventions to prevent this That is crazy. I was not expecting 2014 So we're gonna end this on a few examples of people that were buried. Yay. I thought we might yeah in Pineville, Kentucky
Starting point is 00:55:37 1891 a 20-year-old woman named Octavia Hatcher She's probably one of the best known, especially in Kentucky. Hello, Kentucky. You know who I'm talking about, because there's a statue of her there. Oh, but she gave birth to her first child who was a son named Jacob. Unfortunately, Jacob died almost immediately after birth. As a result, Octavia fell into a deep depression
Starting point is 00:55:59 and eventually sunk into a coma from illness that same year. On May 2nd of that year, she died. Seems like a really sad and pretty straightforward story, right? No. It was not, you are correct. Because you see around this time a bunch of other people in the town,
Starting point is 00:56:15 it was apparently like an extremely hot year too. Like the heat was crazy. So they were burying people very quickly. Like within 20, like people got to get in the ground. We can't let them sit above ground. As far as it's not like refrigeration, it's like, let's just throw them in a morgue. For their, it's like, we, let's get them in the ground.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Let's let them rot up here. So she was boom, buried. But then all of a sudden, a bunch of people in town are falling victim to this swooning kind of bullshit where it appeared they were comatose or unconscious, but they were just like swooning really hard. where it appeared they were combatosis or unconscious, but they were just like, swooning really hard. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Like just fainting, going into a coma. Swoonful. They believe it may have been due, at this time actually, now that they've looked back, they think it might have been due to mosquito-borne and cephalitis. Oh, I thought you were just going to say heat stroke. I mean, not too, but they think it might have been an cephalitis thing that was causing like coma stuff. That's crazy. So once all of this started happening, people who knew Octavia were like, oh shit, they had her dug up because they were like, oh my god, like what if she's one of these
Starting point is 00:57:15 people? What they found was a nightmare. Her fingernails were ground down to dust and bloody. There were claw marks in the fabric lining of the coffin was shredded. I remember, I know this one. Her face was twisted into like a terrible like mask of terror. And it was clear that she had woken up in her grave. Yeah. Her husband, James Hatcher, actually had a coffin made specifically for him that would prevent his own premature burial.
Starting point is 00:57:40 I don't blame him. And it is also said that he was buried with a bell attached to his finger in case he was buried alive. He also had a beautiful statue built of her and it's still there. I love that. And there's all these like rumors that like, you know, every year on the anniversary of her death, the statue will turn to face away from the town. Like she's turning her back on the town for letting it happen. Wow. But then like people think kids are just assholes and turn the statue around. I would do that. But it's interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:08 February 8th, 1884. The New York Times ran a story about the premature burial of Anna Hawkwalt. Now, apparently, January 9th, 1884, the day that it happened was her brother's wedding day. Oh. And yeah, in the New York Times article, 1884, the day that it happened, was her brother's wedding day. And yeah, in the New York Times article, it says, quote, the young lady was dressing for the nuptials and had gone into the kitchen.
Starting point is 00:58:32 A few moments afterwards, she was found sitting on a chair with her head leaning against a wall and apparently lifeless. Medical aid was summoned in, Dr. Jewett, who after examination pronounced her dead. The examination showed that Anna was of excitable temperament, nervous and affected with sympathetic palpitation of the heart. Dr. Jewett thought that this was a cause of her supposed death. They literally got married
Starting point is 00:58:56 still that day, by the way. That's a little fucked up. In the next day, they had a funeral for Anna, but everyone who saw her said they couldn't shake the feeling that she was so alive looking. And it appeared that blood was running through her veins. She had color, like life in her eyes. And so her parents were freaked out enough, like hearing the amount of people saying this. They were like, yeah, something's not right about this. So they had her exhumed. And it says, quote, it was stated that when the coffin was opened, it was discovered
Starting point is 00:59:24 that the supposed inanimate body had turned upon its right side. The hair had been torn out and handfuls and the flesh had been bitten from the fingers. The body was reinterred and effects made to suppress the facts. But there are those who state that they saw the body and know the facts to be narrated. Whew! It'd be as narrated, excuse me. So yeah, so she was found, the flesh had been bitten from the fingers. I wonder why it is that like what in psychology,
Starting point is 00:59:52 like in the psychology of your brain makes you do that. I assume it's just panic, blind panic and terror you'll go hysterical and mad. And you'll just probably start doing crazy things. Picking her own fingers off. Now again, in February of 1885, a man named Jenkins got sick. That's what we only know about Jay Jenkins.
Starting point is 01:00:08 My name is Jenkins. Just guy named Jenkins. His name was Jay Jenkins in the article. I feel like that happens in SpongeBob. Really? Yeah, like I'm like, I'm like, no, like I'm trans SpongeBob. I don't know exactly, but I'm transported to a time
Starting point is 01:00:22 when there's a guy named Jenkins. And like, it's like a grave, and they're like, it's like a haunted episode or something. Oh my God, I thought you'd even like, they eat the flesh off their bones when they die. No, no, no. And I was like, whoa, what episode is that? That doesn't happen.
Starting point is 01:00:34 You're like, maybe I will watch some of you in the future. Oh, so Jay Jenkins had a fever. He was cold and clammy, he couldn't speak. And they tried to wake him, they couldn't wake him up, and when they fell for a pulse and a heartbeat. They couldn't feel on which as we know not super reliable So because it was 1885 and no one could actually be there to officially name someone dead They were like well, he's dead They had him buried because you have to throw that guy in the ground quick because that's how plague start
Starting point is 01:01:01 Yeah, I like get the student the ground. I'm out of here So they did and and they buried them. Now, before he was thrown into the earth, people around him did note that he was not stiff, which was weird. Yeah. But they were like, yeah, whatever. It's fine.
Starting point is 01:01:16 Yeah, it's probably fine. I got to go to dinner tonight. Now, 10 days later, they had to dig up his coffin, not because they thought he was still alive, but because they were going to, it was like a wooden coffin, I guess. And they were transporting this wooden coffin 20 miles to the family burial ground. Oh, that was like a thing. They inspected the coffin, and then they discovered that Jenkins inside was on his stomach.
Starting point is 01:01:38 He was facing down, and most of his hair had been torn out of his head, and claw marks were on the lid. Oh, is there any instances where the person gets saved Elena? There was but I didn't include them. Wow, you saw the last one we're going to talk about is in 1937, a 19 year old from France named Angelo Hayes. Now this is 1937, did everyone hear that correctly? Not too long ago.
Starting point is 01:02:00 He went for a motorcycle ride and ended up crashing his bike and his head into a brick wall. His head was literally like mangled, like bad, and they wouldn't even let his parents see him. He was buried three days later, and so then insurance had to get involved because this was a motorcycle accident, and he had to be exhumed a couple of days later. So he'd been in the ground for a few days. He was warm when they got him out. And to their astonishment, he was alive still. Okay. So the medical part of this is that the trauma that his body had gone through had forced his
Starting point is 01:02:37 body to put himself into a coma basically to shut down all the major organs, shut down all the major processes to try to heal, which is actually what happened when I had the twins. And I went into like kidney failure. Because I lost, I don't know if I've told the story before, but I like lost a ton of blood when I had the twins. And like they had to give me a few transfusions and all that. And my kidneys shut down.
Starting point is 01:03:02 Right. Like just started shutting down. And the doctor literally told me afterwards, like your body was shutting down because you were dying. So your body shuts down to try to preserve energy and try to preserve all the things it needs to try to get you back. Yeah. Which was horrifying to hear afterwards,
Starting point is 01:03:18 but like so interesting. Horrifying to hear, I love you so much. You should have seen yourself. I, people people like totally aside here. I walked into that room with my aunt and we looked at each other and we were like, she okay. Yeah, it was like, it was pretty nice. I looked at the nurse and I was making eye contact with her, like, like trying to like get her to hear my thoughts. And I'm like, you look beautiful. I've never seen someone look so good after giving birth.
Starting point is 01:03:47 Oh my God, mama bear. And then I was like, and she's gonna make it. Like what the fuck? I was scared. I was, she could make it. Like what the fuck? I was like, great. I, we all went home and we're like, so she's good, right?
Starting point is 01:04:02 Like, she's good, right? She's like, they're not gonna do anything else. She had two blood transfusions. Yeah, two full blood transfusions. And then finally, my kidneys were like, hey, here we are. I'll give you one, if you ever need one. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 01:04:15 I would give you one of mine too. I don't know if you want it. I don't know if I want yours, but actually the more I think of it, you probably don't want mine. I've done a lot of demolition to this. But you know what, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's all about it. It's they're good. I'll get them checked for you first. I beg. I've done a lot of demolition to this ball. I appreciate that. That's all I've been.
Starting point is 01:04:25 It's they're good. I'll get them checked for you first. I begs. I think they do it into you. I think it's standard. They're doing another thing now. So it's cool. I've re-birthed them.
Starting point is 01:04:34 But I think it's fascinating that your body will just try to survive. It's just survival mode. Like that it knows to go into survival mode. And then it will just like shut the fuses down. Like it's just like, whoop, shut everything down. I just make this person survive. I wish they could perfect it.
Starting point is 01:04:50 The boss. I wish the bodies could perfect it so that we could just go on and on and on and on. And just keep shutting everything down just enough to get it back. So it's like hibernation. So we went on a little bit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:59 And well, that's what happened to Angelo here because he went into like a trans like coma because his body was like, whoa, shit's going down. We got to save our energy. Yeah, exactly. So it was requiring very little oxygen for him to stay alive. So when they brought him to the hospital after digging him up, they were thinking, you know what, he's probably gonna be gone in like a minute because he's been in that fucking box, but he didn't need a lot of oxygen. Right. He was revived. Oh, so you did include one.
Starting point is 01:05:27 I think that one is. I was like, you little piece survived. And he thrived, guys. Oh, I'm leaving you on a good note. And then did he have to have like surgery because he said he was fun like mangled. Yeah, he had to have like tons of stuff done, but he thrived so much in fact
Starting point is 01:05:41 that he invented a security coffin with an oven, a fridge, and a thing to play music. So he just wanted to live around. And he toured all over France, showing it. I want to see it. You want to pick? I don't want to pick. But those are also, it was like rumored that it had a fridge and an oven and all that.
Starting point is 01:05:58 But I think you're like funny. Just to have fire, that's all based in rumored. I think it's funny though. But he did survive. He did survive. Like he did survive. That's just based in rumor. I think it's funny though. But he did survive. He did survive. That's just an underground apartment. It sure is.
Starting point is 01:06:07 Do you want an apartment coffin? Come on up. And I want an apartment coffin. I want it to be real. I want it to be real as well. I want it to be real. I thought one of those, even if I was dead, I'm going to chill in the after.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Life on. It sounds awesome. Like I'm all for it. But yeah, so that is my little snippet into the world of being very alive in the fear of premature barriers. I gotta tell ya, that was very dark and morbid, obviously, cause high were morbid.
Starting point is 01:06:33 But that was like a really good episode. Oh, thank you. I really liked that. It was so, it was very different than anything we've ever done. I feel. That's what I was thinking. It would be something different.
Starting point is 01:06:42 And I really, it went well. But I think it's something everybody can relate to you I don't think anybody's really psyched to be buried alive I don't think that's I mean if it if you're into that like go off. I'm not shaming you I just like I feel like that's what you say yeah But yeah, I think we can all be like whoa. Yeah, I want a safety cuff. Yeah, great job Thanks. I really liked it. Hope you guys dug it. Yeah. All right. Well, if you did, we hope you keep listening. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:07 And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you get buried alive? Yeah. Yeah. And not so weird that you invent two complex of a safety coffin. Keep it in our weird. Just keep working on it.
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