Morbid - Episode 256: The Hillside Stranglers Part 1

Episode Date: August 23, 2021

Alaina has decided to really throw us for a loop this week with a multi-parter on the Hillside stranglers, Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi. We had to break this into two parts simply because even before they became murderous monsters, they were terrible. In part one we’ll go over some background on each of them, how they linked up and their first 2 murders. Great source: The Hillside Stranglers by Darcy O'Brien As always, thank you to our sponsors, Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com/morbid to get up to forty dollars off your first box! Modern Fertility: Right now, Modern Fertility is offering our listeners $20 off the test when you go to ModernFertility.com/morbid Better Help: Special offer for Morbid listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/MORBID Canva: Just go to Canva.me/morbid to get your FREE 45-day extended trial BestFiends: Download the 5 star-rated puzzle game, Best Fiends FREE today on the App Store or Google Play See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alena and this is More Bed. During a hurricane, you didn't speed it up, you were just talking fast. We were. Because it's a hurricane, they move fast, right? Yeah, sure. Remember that game, like hurricane? Nope. Um, okay. It's actually not hurricane, I think it's another game.

I think I, as I was saying, and I slowly trailed off, and I was like, actually, that's not the game that I was thinking of. I was like, I genuinely do not. Yeah, I know, that's because it's not a game. Okay, cool, because I was like, am I just old? Is that another youth's old thing? Well, you are old. Yeah, but not because of this. Not because of a game. Okay, cool. Because I was like, am I just old? Is that another youth old thing? Well, you are old. Yeah, but not because of this.

Not because of that. Okay, cool. Well, we don't get hurricane as much as you consider it. It's been 30 years. It's been 30 years since we really got one. It's been 30 years. I don't know if it's actually going to turn into a hurricane. Right now it's just a tropical storm, which I'll take.

I don't want the power to go out. And of which we have seen before. so I think we're feeling okay about that But yeah turns into a hurricane will it or a hurricane or a hurricane? It will a horror cane that sounds like I like that But I'll take that over a hurricane. Yeah, cuz hurricane sounds like hurricane. I want like horror Horror I think that would be like a fun movie night like you could call it like a movie convention like in a scream for. Yeah, the horror. The horror game.

The horror game. The horror game. And you could do it during a hurricane. I love it. I think we're on to something here. Lays on woods. I think we need to TM this because someone's going to steal it. TM, TM, TM.

But yeah, we're just a little loopy because things are weird here. True. But again, I don't think there'sy because things are weird here. True. But again, I don't think there's like a ton of true crime news this week. I didn't see anybody tag me in anything. I'm really, I'm constantly looking up summer wells. Stop. But it's been like eight weeks and we're not getting much.

They keep saying that they're still actively searching and that everybody's still a suspect and there's been a little movement in like certain things but not really. Yeah. It's just it's killing me. I need movement in that case. I just need to know. I really do. I need it. But yeah, is there anything you want to chat about before we dive into this? I did just finish White Lotus the other night and I think about the only news I have for you. A lot of people have been watching White Lotus and I'm intrigued. Yeah, me and Spencer Henry were watching it at the same time. Like, go to a gallery.

Um, yeah, it was really good. I, a lot of people were like, you're going to be so mad at the end. I have a hot take. I'm not that mad at the end and I'm not going to spoil it for you because I know it's like still happening. I was like, aw, but I was also like, yeah. So if you've watched it, maybe that will make sense to you, but maybe the aw, yeah.

Well, I was like, resonate with him. I was like, aw, like that happened, but I was like, hmm, kind of saw that coming. Oh, I'm intrigued. But a lot of people were like really pissed. I was pissed at something else at the end that I'm just not gonna talk about. Yeah, because I already sang too much.

Because I wanna watch this, it'll take me like three years. Like I'll be, it'll be totally over when I finally get to Watch it Drew and I watched the first episode on Friday night and then actually we were supposed to go to Alina's last night But I ate spicy soup so I can go anywhere So we just watched literally every episode and stayed up until midnight last night. I love that I drew got home from work. We closed all the curtains, made it super dark in the apartment, and then just watched

what I looked at. Just watched what I looked at until midnight. I love that. The other night I watched half of Hellraiser. Okay, is that why you had a dream about? Yeah. I had a weird dream about pinhead, and everyone I tweeted about it. I was like, I don't want to talk about it.

And everybody was like, well, now you have to talk about it. Did you like to cook up with him? And I was like, I'm not going to talk about it and everybody's like well now you have to talk about it And I was like I'm not gonna talk about it. I did some weird stuff. It was weird. It was a weird dream It was so I woke up and I said whoa Like that it was one of those Like I have to yell about this for a minute. Did you tell anybody but no? Yeah, it was a very do you want tell anybody? But no, I just woke up. You were just gonna keep it to yourself. You were just gonna keep it to yourself. Yeah, it was a very...

Do you wanna tell me off her? It was just stressing. Oh, just sick. I think you should let it out. But you know what? Hopefully you all get to have dreams about pinhead now because I've put that in your brain. So I've actually never seen that movie, so.

I know that's wild. We need to get you on that train. I'm sure we will on screen because you guys love to. Oh yeah, show me crazy movies. On screen we will definitely get you on that train because it's a classic and I feel like that's one that will It's gonna test you a little bit. Okay. It's gonna test you That's what you thought about house about thousand corpses and then I fucking loved it This is very different from house of a thousand corpses. Like very different

I can I can handle anything. I hate very she said it first. I know her dress You heard it here first. I'm the care to be able to handle anything. I hate her. She said it first. I'm a hairdresser. You heard it here first. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser.

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I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. I'm the hairdresser. We are going to be talking about the Hillside Stranglers. No. Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono. Buono. Which is really, for some reason, my mouth does not want to say Buono.

It wants to say Buono. It's like, oh no. But it's not Buono. It's Buono. Yeah. Yeah. So they're disgusting. They're horrific.

They're nightmarish, they are a horror movie, but they are real life. And this is going to be a two-pada because I felt it was very, very, very necessary to talk about how fucked up and awful these people are even before the murder's happened. Yeah, you got it, you got to set the scene. We got to set, so we're gonna talk about

a couple of the murders in this episode and then part two will finish off all the rest of, like, because there's like 12 murders in all. Jesus Christ. We'll finish off those, and we'll talk about the aftermath and everything, but I really want to, like, make you understand how terrible these guys are, and let me tell you, it's gonna get rough.

There's trigger warning right here. There's a lot of rape in this case. A lot. That was kind of their thing. Part two is where we're really going to see like the torture methods that they used, but this one's going to get pretty rough. And again, like I said, lots of rape. So, you know, if that's something that's going to bum you out, I understand. But yeah, I think we should just dive right into this. Okay. Now that you've given us the TV warnings. Exactly. Now this is one that I have been me. I've been wanting, it's kind of one of

those that a lot of people know of. It's one of those like, you know, ones that we space out the bigger ones. Yeah. And I've been wanting to cover it forever, but I knew it was such a gnarly one that I was like, you have to be in the right state of mind to really bring yourself into this. So before I begin, I just want to say that there is a book about this that I used that I got a ton of information from. It's called The Hillside Stranglers and it's by Darcy O'Brien. He does a great job going into both their lives,

finding out all the background of everything. It's fascinating and horrifying. There's also a ton of old newspaper articles that I look through that are really interesting because seeing how this was reported at the time, in the beginning, they thought this was one. So it was called the Hillside Strangler. Okay. beginning, they thought this was one. So it was called the Hillside Strangler. Okay.

And they only thought this was one person. You are staring at me so blankly right now. I can't, it's like. Oh no, I was just like looking. I just had to pause. I still, you know, it was like, don't look at me. I stopped recording. Cause Ashley literally was staring at me,

like looking through my soul. It's like her eyes glazed over. Do you think it's gonna do a different world? Do you think it's gonna have my glasses on? Like my eyes just hit different? I just think definitely hit different. Okay, for sure. My mouth was a little open, maybe.

Maybe I just look like a little cray cray. No, you know what? I actually, I thought I knew a lot about this case and I really don't. So I'm just like actually very eager to hear the story. Yeah. So I think I'm just looking at you. That was just that like that really through me. Should I look at not on you?

That's a different. No, you can look at me. I think it's the glasses. My eyes hit different. Sorry. Woo. All right. Well, I'm glad we got that fun out of the way

because this is going to get real. I'm just going to start. You like this? That eyes are just bugging under red. So Kenneth Bianchi was only 26 years old at the time of these murders, which blew my mind. Yeah, that's like a year older than me. For some reason, I was like thinking he was in his 30s

at least or something, but. It's always wild when you're like mid 20s and murdering. Yeah, it's wild when like a murderer is like a good decade younger than you, you're like, wow. Yeah, that's a lot. I don't know why it's weird. It's just weird. It is. Because Angelo Blu-Angelo Bluono was 43 at the time. Okay. And he looked like a hard 43. He had seen some that.

And he had. But it's just, it makes sense now when I look at them, but I thought they were both older. But they were collectively known in the media and forevermore as the hillside stranglers together. They terrorized the city of Los Angeles between October 1977 and February 1978. Oh, wow, I didn't realize that. Well, actually, I guess it's very long for the things that they were doing,

but for some reason I thought it went on longer. Well, that's the thing, it was pretty quick, but it obviously felt like a million years because war was going on. But it was only about four months. Yeah. And it turned into like four months of terror. Like, people were terrified.

And there was also other murderers going on at this time too, especially in that area. Yeah, so it was just like wild at that moment. But then in 1979, one of them actually kept going and took it into his own hands and took two more lives alone. Oh. So they had 10 together, two, one of them

did by themselves. All right. So we're going into it. In all these two killed 12 women and girls between the ages of 12 and 28. Jesus. Also, these two weren't friends. They were cousins.

Were they cousins by blood or were they like? They were. And we'll get into it with Kenneth. Kenneth was adopted. Oh, okay. So they were technically cousins. They refer to them as adopted cousins a lot. They were cousins.

Yeah, they were family. He was adopted at like three months old I didn't know if it was one of those situations where it was like Like oh like that's my mom's best friends. Yeah, like so I call her cousin You know like and he's my cousin. No, they were like actual cousins What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed. What would you do? I'm Whit Missildine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life-changing events, told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dooms his entire future with one choice, to a woman who survived a notorious

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You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, ee-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e And this is one of those cases that people know the media name, like the Hillside Strayers, but I've run into a lot of people who've never heard of it at all. So I've heard of it, obviously, but I don't know all the nitty-gritty. Yeah, I feel like this is one that definitely needs to keep being told because of just how horrific it is. And these victims went through hell, and they definitely don't deserve to be forgotten. But like I said, fair warning, this is a bad one. It goes without saying that all of ours are bad, but this one definitely ranks above

the rest as far as like staying power in your mind. It's going to be up there with the other real, real gnarly ones. Basically anyone that I've done, it's going to rank up. And also to be honest with you, it's going to be a morbid, morbid week for you guys. It certainly is. I've got it juicy for you. Yeah, you do. So it's going to be a morbid morbid week for you guys. It certainly is. I've got to do Z for you. Yeah, you do. So it's going to be rough on this week, where you're sorry.

We'll do something haunted next week. The hurricane brought us to a place. I don't know. It's dark. So let's talk about Angelo Buono. He is the older of the two, obviously. He was born in Rochester, New York on October 5, 1934. He was raised primarily by his mother Jenny,

and he moved with his mother and his 10-year-old sister, Cecilia, when he was five years old to Los Angeles. Okay. His parents got divorced very early on, and his mother Jenny got a job in a shoe factory working as a peace worker, and she bought them like this little bungalow where they lived.

It was like a nice little house. And it was in a section called Highland Park in Los Angeles. His father really wasn't in his life after they got divorced. What's worse is his father moved from New York to Los Angeles too, but stayed away from his original family. That's bizarre. Like didn't move there to see them. You remarried and had children and spent all his time with his new family. That always infuriates me. That's like really fucked up. Like you don't get like a practice family.

Like you, that's your family. So you know what, there's so many people and like they do look at it as, look at it as a practice family. I love the way you just said that. Like it's so fucked up, but people do that. Like they look at it as like, like, oh, fuck that one up. Oh, fuck that one up. But look, I got another chance. And it's like, no, that's your, that's it.

And it's not because then it's like, you're just like recreating a cycle of trauma. Exactly. So he was raised by Jenny, his mother. And according to only Blono, of course, we only have him to go off of for this account. No one else has said it. He said that she was very promiscuous, would sleep with men for favors, like repair men, delivery men, things that she could get something, you know, for the family. Well, I was going to say it's hard times, girl. She was, they struggled financially. That could have been something that happened.

It's like she was trying to keep and she's trying to give you the best, dude. Well, and he also claimed, though, that she would take him as a child on her meetings with these men, and he would have to wait outside. Okay, well, that's wrong. Which would be absurdly traumatic.

Yeah, that's, that's wrong. Now, Jenny always denied this was the case, but Angelo insisted it was true. Of course, who knows? Let's remember who this guy is before we believe this bullshit's sub-story. But no matter what happened, he really hated his mother. So there was some kind of trauma there or something was going on there. I was going to say maybe it was just one of those things where she felt like this

or he was exaggerating, she was like, that's not true. But it was maybe a little bit of that was true. But she didn't want to admit it. It was the way he looked at women his whole life. It was like, it tells me that something is a rye here. Yeah. I just don't know what. OK.

That sounds like it could be a true story. Who knows? Yeah. He referred to her pretty primarily like only as that kind. Oh. He would only call her that. All right. Not his mother, he would refer to her as that to her face

in front of people, like that was what. And then he would often call, like that's what he referred to other women as as well. Awesome. Yeah. But his mom was literally called that. Yeah. That's fine.

He loads women, but he simultaneously referred to himself as a ladies man. I thought he was like a real Romeo, which you look at him and you're like, no, but he was. Okay. He had women, I mean, bursting out of the walls when he was growing up. Well, listen, there's someone for everyone. And by the time he was 14 though, he had developed these very intense, very aggressive and very violent fantasies involving rape and women. Yeah. So things are starting, again, we're seeing sex is being tied into violence. Right.

There's all this fucked up stuff. It's just, and he had this like weird thing with his mom where he hated her, but he also like had this weird thing. It's just, it's a really fucked up toxic relationship. Yeah. So by 14, he was literally bragging to his friends that his dream was to pick up a hitchhiking girl and rape her. Oh, that's not what we're usually talking about.

No, I'm talking to our friends at that age. And he also constantly talked about, and he was very obsessed with wanting to sort ofize a girl. Oh, yeah, that's just... And even his friends were like, and this is 14 years old. And so even his friends are like,

what is he like a freshman in high school? Well, most of them are like, I don't even know what that is. Right, I don't even think I knew what that was. And his friends were literally like, what the fuck dude? Like all of them were like, this is weird. Like this is 14-year-old stock.

You should talk to someone professional. He was terrible in school. He was constantly in fights. He would just leave and take off for no reason. And then he started committing petty crimes. And then not-so-peddy crimes, like stealing cars. By the age of 16, he had dropped out of high school altogether. In fact, that same year, he was finally arrested for the first time for Grand Theft Auto at 16.

Whoa. And was sentenced to the California youth authority. He escaped. No. He escaped. Wow. 16 years old. Look at it.

Like, wow. Yeah, but they got him and they put him in a reform school after they got him because they were like, you need lots of help. And at that time they were like never you need lots of help. And at that time, they were like, never awesome. No, no, no. And this was the Paso Robles school for boys. It doesn't exist anymore. It did nothing.

Yeah, it did. It's a dot-out. Rarely does. In fact, it might have made it worse because he got out and immediately did the same thing. It reminds me of Carl Panzerum. Yeah, it's just like these, it's not. It makes it worse. It's not working.

And he would literally like beat the shit out of people and steal jackets off their backs. Like he would just like, whatever he wanted, he was gonna take it and he would have angry. He would pull knives on people who tried to come for him. He was just an angry, violent, like really, like his brain was just really focused on hurting people and especially hurting women. Had trauma question mark? I never, I didn't find anything about head trauma.

Interesting. Yeah, I didn't find anything. But by this time his ideas of sex and rape were so fucked up that I really do have to wonder what the hell happened. Something stunted, witnessed his maturity at this point. Or Experience something. Yeah. Like they just, I don't know. He was just so obsessed with like rape and control at this point. And I'm like, what made that happen? Like something. And it's like, of course, his father left early. So that's trauma. And he was five. He's aware. But I mean, I don't know how rape comes into that. You wonder if, and maybe the reason why Jenny didn't want to admit that this happened, and this is just speculation,

but maybe he saw something happen and took it, I was like, oh, she did that so we could get this. But maybe it wasn't that situation, and maybe she was raped. Yeah, who knows? Who really knows? And that's the thing. She could have thought she was doing this for the family to like, she's doing what she has to do.

Right. But then he's becoming involved in it in some way by even being present, even if it's like not, you know, it's, it's all very, if this is, if that's the truth, that's very traumatic. It's a very, very psychologically. We'll fuck your kid up. Oh, absolutely. But of course, who could have thought that it would turn out the way it did? Like, it's just very, it's crazy how intense he got so quickly. But he, and it's like he hated women, but he dated a ton at the same time.

So of course, he was awful, like he's an awful person. I was gonna say. And he didn't get into like a ton of long-term relationships until later, but I wonder why. I know, it's crazy, but he somehow got a lot of women, a ton of women. Interesting. He was a literal goblin, so I'm confused,

but it was a different time. And I also think maybe he just aged really badly. Like I was gonna say, there is like a one picture of him when he's younger, that is not, it doesn't float my boat, but like, but like you can see that it's not a goblin in it. Like I'm like, okay. Cause to me, he's like literally repulsive.

Yeah, but if I didn't know all the horrible things he did, I would think he was a repulsive person, but that's just my type is not him. Yeah, I mean, like this one, I'm like, okay. That's Kenneth Bianchi. Oh, so there you go. So that may, Kenneth Bianchi will get into him, don't worry, but like I can kind of get how like in that era,

girls were into it. Again, not my cup of tea. It's hard to find pictures of Angela with this young girl. That's the thing, you can't really find young Angela. So Goblin, Goblin older. Yeah, he's definitely Goblin when he's older. But he also became around this time when he was a teenager. He became obsessed with a man named Carl Chessman

who was a convicted rapist. That was who he looked up to. He literally admired him. And Chessman had been arrested and convicted way back in 1948 of doing some like town that dreaded sundown, like Zodiacsha. Jesus. He would use a red siren that went on his car and he would pretend to be a cop.

That's scared. And he would have the shit out of the house. Oh yeah, and that was their thing. He used that. I knew that. He would then walk up to couples in lovers' lanes in LA and he would get the girl out of the car. Then he would bring her to a secluded area

and he would rape her. Bono thought he was a genius. Oh. Of course, you pretend he was a genius. Oh. Of course, you pretend to be a cop, but people are gonna trust you. But what he always said was like, yeah, he did great. He did awesome things. I wanna be just like him.

But he didn't take it further. He never killed anybody. I wanna do that. Oh. So he was like, oh cool. I'll just take how he did it and I'll like fine tune it. I just don't understand, and obviously it's a good thing that we don't understand, but like,

how do you just wanna kill someone? Like it's just like a feeling in you that you just feel and you have to carry anger. It is. It's anger, so much anger he has, it's unreal. And he worked a lot of odd jobs, but he was like, okay, I had a lot of things, but it was working on cars that really stuck with him.

He became really good at it. And he particularly became interested and really good at auto-apolstering, like, in a pulsing auto. Yeah. This made him really good money. That was gonna say, absolutely. And so he was also able to flash that to ladies as well.

Right. Apparently people thought he was good looking back then. He dressed well. he was also money. Apparently very neat and clean, even his house is very active. That's just very clean of me. And then he has money. And he has this business and he's doing well. So I get it.

You see that you could put up from the outside looking and you're like, oh, I could have a nice life for myself. Exactly. And he started referring to himself as the Italian stallion. You know, see, that's the thing. It's like when we nickname ourselves guys, it just never works out. You know, see that's where I'm out. Yeah, that's where I actually have dinner plans with everybody else.

Yeah, but you know, I can't even, I'm like, you know what? Any, someone else I may be like, come on, dude. But him, I'm like, you know what, you kind of were. He was, okay. He was dating women literally constantly. I mean, the dude had, it's unreal. You read anything about him and everybody's like, Angela was a legend.

Like, okay. Which I'm like, why didn't you just like, live your life that way? Right, like, well, I didn't. Just live your life dating people. Clearly, didn't bring him what he needed. It did not. And it's like, that's the thing.

It's like, man, you could have just lived that way. And it's like, that should have been felt to. Like love and, but no, it did not. So at 20 years old, he actually got a 17 year old girl pregnant. They had only dated a couple of weeks when it happened. I, her name was Geraldine Yvonne Vanal and he asked her to marry him immediately.

No, thank you. Because he thought that's what you do. Like, he was raised and, you know, by like Italian parents, they like taught him like this is what, even though he hated raised and, you know, by like Italian parents, they like taught him, like this is what, even though he hated women and he wasn't, he was taught like those values of, like, you got a girl pregnant, you marry that girl. Well, not was also just very of the time back then. Yeah, of course. So he asked her to marry him in June of the same year, which was in 1955. He abandoned her and their unborn child within a week of Mary-Hard.

Yep, recreating that cycle of trauma. She filed for divorce when their son Michael was born in January 1956, and the divorce was granted and the court awarded her child support. Good. Sure she didn't get it. He didn't pay anything. Nope.

And wouldn't allow Michael to ever refer to him as father. Don't call me your dad. That's terrible. Interestingly enough, according to the book that I mentioned, The Hillside Stranglers by Darcy O'Brien, she stayed close to the Bono family and they called her Aunt Jerry. Okay.

Like she actually stayed close to his mother and his sister and all that. So Michael got like something that he needed in some sort of family. At the time of his first child, Michael's birth, Buono was actually in jail for two months for auto theft. So he wasn't there when he was born. When he got out of jail at the end of the two months,

he got another girl pregnant the same year. So he got two girls pregnant within like a year and a half of each other. That'll happen. By the end of 1956, his second son, Angela Buono, the third, because his father's name was Angela, was born. And he married the mother who was 17-year-old Mary Catherine Castillo in April 1957. And I believe she went by candy. Mm-hmm.

The same year, she had his third son, Peter Buono. And then a fourth son, the following year his fifth in 1960 in a daughter grace in 1962 so how many children is that was that five children so he has six children now and five of them are Five boys and one girl wow Yep, that's a lot of kids and yeah, short time. Five of them are with candy and one is with Aunt Jerry. Okay, so to candy. I obviously candy stayed with him for a while. Yes. Now this is where we're going to get really, it's going to be tough guys. So just hang tight.

I'm going to try to blow through it a little bit, but I gotta give you the details because you got to know how bad this guy is. And she went through it. So she does her summer story told. During their marriage, he was abusive and horrific. He raped her constantly. He sawd amized her against her will. He called her a content in front of the kids. He would hit her, kick her, beat her in front of the children. in front of the kids. He would hit her, kick her, beat her in front of the children. In fact, there's an instance so horrific. It has given me chills since I read it. Great.

There was a time when their children were ages ranging from one to seven years old. She refused sex, so he dragged her out in the living room and raped her in front of them. Oh my God. Yeah. So this is who he is. Yeah.

Just before he's murdered. Like it's straight up monster. So my God. Yeah. So this is who he is. Yeah. Just before he's murdered. Like it's straight up monster. So she filed for divorce and had to raise the children on her own. It was likely after that incident, she was like, no, no, I'm happy that she was able to get away and take care of her kids. She's like, no, this is obviously horrific. So but she had to raise her kids like five kids on her own. Yeah, I mean. And he got out of paying even a dime for those kids because even though she was granted child support, she was granted like $150 a month,

which now would be like over a thousand. Okay. What you started, which is not a lot when you're raising five fucking kids. And he then started spelling his name B-O-N-O, Bono, so that they couldn't come after him for child support. Wow. He just tweaked his name so that they couldn't find him and get it.

Wow. What a fuck. So he literally abandoned five children or six children and just was like, fuck it. Whatever. After absolutely doing horrific things to their mothers. I mean, the only thing that you can say is obviously they were better off without him, but they definitely weren't terrible.

And especially for those women, you just have to raise the children on their own with no income. Well, and what's sad is at one point, she was so desperate to help her kids, and she was worried about them, that she was like, we, she tried to reconcile with them, just because she was like, I can't do this on my own. And he handcuffed her when she came to talk to him about it. He handcuffed her, brought her into the woods and held a gun to her head and told her he was going to kill her. What the fuck?

He didn't. But she was like, wow, she's like, okay, guess we're not going to reconcile. So in 1965, he started dating another woman named an Annette Campina. She was 25 and she already had two children of her own. So in 1965 he started dating another woman named an Annette Campina. She was 25 and she already had two children of her own. They were a honey and a net. They never married, but you know, they stayed together for a while and the two of them ended up having two sons together.

She's known us two more. There they are. So that's eight. Yeah, Tony and Sam. And he has a lot of boys. I was thinking that a lot of boys. I was thinking that. A lot of boys. And he was just as abusive and awful. And he was also said to be sexually assaulting the net's daughter.

Oh. Who told her this at 14? Jesus. Now the problem here is that the entire time they were together, she always told her, he always told her, if you ever try to leave me or if you ever try to tell anybody that I have all these mafia contacts and I have connects and I will not only kill you but I'll have your kids killed. Oh, okay.

So she always was terrified and felt like she couldn't get out. Right. But when the daughter told her she was being assaulted to him, she was like, fuck it. Yeah, I got to get away from him. I don't care what I have to do. So in 1971, she literally packed the kids up, all four kids, and brought them all to Florida. Like, she moved to Florida to get away from them.

Like, literally across the country. Yeah, just buy bitch, go ahead and good for her. Clap, right? Like, get it. She said she started, and this is horrific. She said before she left and what really pushed her to go Was he started telling her that her daughter needed to be quote broken in I

That he said he would break her in and no and he was she was like I'm leaving Like what does that even mean like he's a just fuck out of my face Mom still no, he died. Oh good. Uh, Kenneth Bianchi is still alive. He can prison still? No, he died. Oh good. Kennis Bianchi is still alive. He didn't prison, but terrible. Yeah, he died. Now, at one point, he was roommates, like after he left a net, a net left him and all that, he was roommates with a guy who was actually working

in Hollywood. Oh shit, they just like became roommates. He, this guy was like a zealous actor named Artie Ford. That was his, that was his like stage name. He did knowie Ford. That was his stage name. He did know some people though in the Hollywood scene. So this is how Angelo got connected to some pretty high ranking actors at the time. And people just in the business.

So now he's being known as this guy who can really fuck with auto-apulsoring and all these stars are like fancy cars. They're like, I want my fancy car done. So he got some high-end clients this way. Hell, he made it a good deal. He re-did a car for Frank Sinatra. Holy fuck, what the hell?

Can you imagine Frank Sinatra later finding out that Angelo Blono? Frank Sinatra also wasn't the best guy. No, but Angelo, he was a serial killer. I just said Blonow. Blonow is probably a better word for him. But yeah, it's like, even though Frank Sinatra was not like, you know, like a queer boy, when you find out that he's not a serial killer.

No, serial killer, like the hillside strangler. No, yeah, that would be why. It would just be wild. It would be ways. But also in Hollywood, you're probably just like, yeah, it makes sense. You probably, yeah, that was Angela Buono, did my car. But already, the guy who like connected him with all this was also disgusting because he literally sat by and watched as Angela would literally masturbate while watching schools let

out through binoculars. And he also bragged to him about raping his stepdaughter. Oh, that's just insane. And said he turned her over to his sons as well for them to assault. Oh, no. He then also said, I don't know because he's lying sack of shit and he's also just, but he's so disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised. He then also said he once got in a fight with his ex-wife and turned on the gas when he left because he was hoping she would light this cigarette

and blow up. And when Artie said what about the kids being in the house when this happened? He responded, fuck the kids. And Artie was like, oh weird. I'd be like, I don't want you to live with me anymore. Well, and the way Artie described it later was just like, yeah, it was like weird, but like we were bros. So like, I'm like, oh, do you know?

Like fuck you Artie. Like, are you kidding me? Like, I'd be like, get the you know? Like, fuck you, already. Like, are you kidding me? Like, I'd be like, get the fuck out of my house, you're disgusting. Well, it doesn't be like, like, that's obviously terrible. And I'd also be like, are you gonna turn the gas on?

Well, that's obviously your eye-light cigarette? You're obviously a psychopath. Like, you just fuck your own kids. Like, you would blow them up. Right. What? So, in 1975, he opened up his own auto, like, re-apulsoring shop at 705 East Colorado Street.

And this was behind his home. So he could work there, he could play there, he could do all those things there. He basically used it as his bachelor pad. He was constantly having women over and girls to this place because he liked young teenagers. Yeah. He would have customers, waitresses at the local coffee shop.

He went to every day, but like I said, he liked younger girls, so he would have girls from the high school come over. Gross. He was raping girls as young as 13. He was a predator in every sense of the word. Yeah. He also raped his son's teenage girlfriends

and got them to introduce him to their friends who he would also rape. What the f**k? He had all of their school photos in his wallet and they were found when police later put it into evidence. Ew. And most of them had inscriptions on the back from the girls because again, these girls are young

and they don't groomed and assaulted by him and like, lured in. Yeah. And so they're all writing these things. Like, Angelo, you're stud. Like, I love you. Like, some of them are like, we're gonna get married someday.

Like, he was full on just grinning all of these. Marcius is shitty. Yeah, it was on like these girls. Literally, girl really sad. Yeah, it was truly wild. Now, this was in the beginning of 1976. And this, when all this was going on, is when his cousin Kenny came into town.

Okay. Now, Kenneth Bianchi was born May 22nd, 1951, also in Rochester, New York. His mother was a sex worker and gave him up at birth. He never met her. This is important because he always held that against her. Yep, and against other women. And this is also very important

because it's who he chooses to hurt later in life. It's also like, hey, she made her really responsible decision because she probably realized that she couldn't take care of you properly. That's a pain. And she gave you a better life. Yeah, I mean, well, maybe not. But she tried to, those probably her attention.

That's the thing, it's all, you know, she didn't abandon him on a street corner, you know what I mean? Like, he was adopted. So we had a terrible like, so this is how he, now this is how he's cousins with Angelo. He's adopted by Angelo's mom's sister. So Angelo's aunt.

Well, it's like so crazy to me because there's no like technical genetic link between the two of them, but it's even crazier to me that they got into this together. Right. You know, it's like just it makes it weird. It is. It's scarier. Now, he was a liar from a young age. He was also lazy and would literally go into like, translate states where you just like stare off for like hours at a time.

To you in the beginning of the episode. Yes. That's why you were so freaked out. That was like, are you Kenny? So Kenny are you Kenny? So, and Kenny, are you Bianchi? Get out of here. So, at five years old, he was actually diagnosed with petty malseasures. Oh.

But it was told to his mother that he would just grow out of them. And this is actually true. It sounds like that would be like what? No, I've heard of that before. But these seizures are usually short and can happen many times a day, upwards of like 50 times a day. Is that why he would be staring into space? Like could he be having them?

Yeah, because they said like sometimes when he was in this trans his eyes would roll back in his head and that's a pet thing. He sees a seizure. But in sometimes kids don't even notice that they're happening. Like they can have a fight. Usually they don't cause super intense damage or like lasting effects, but they can't lead to a little bit of trouble focusing later and things like that, which he did have at one point. So as he grew, he was also having rages though and just random episodes of losing his temper completely. He was just like doing well in school because he just wouldn't do anything and he wouldn't focus

Even though he had a he had a high IQ like he's smart. They had a my Q tested and he was like Either like like he was like a little above average But they said even that wasn't a good as you probably wasn't trying He said he wasn't focusing on the IQ test, right? So they were like he got that just by not focusing like he probably would have been very high if he wasn't But he was just lazy as fuck. Wow. Now he was in Catholic school. What a waste of talent. It really, it always is. But he was in Catholic school for a lot of his schooling and was introduced to like a very strict religious education. He saw several psychologists during this time, like elementary and middle school, because the

rages and the lying and the laziness were concerning his mother, especially. Now, all these psychologists agreed that he was definitely too dependent on his mother. Okay. They said the relationship is way too intense. But then it's like she probably feels like she needs to give him more because it's exactly like I think it's like she's doing what she thinks is right. Right. But he was also said he was very hostile and very manipulative as a child, too. But they even pointed to his mother in this whole thing and said, you're, hold it, you're too big of a force in his life. And that's going to damage him. Like you need to let go a little bit. Okay. And so they actually told her you should go to therapy, too. Both of you should.

Right. To learn how to like have a better a better function relationship that won't affect him later in life, but she said no. And so I wonder if I had anything to do with being super duper religious. Oh yeah, I think it all ties in together. I think it was just a lot of forces that were really heavy handed. In such a different time.

But again, he was from a young age, he was like this. So I think it's also just that he was like this. A genetics. And it was just being, I think, kind of fed by all the really intense forces in his life that might not feed someone else. But at 13 years old, his father died, his adoptive father.

That's terrible. His mother literally made him wear his father's shoes to his father's funeral. Like not like you're gonna walk in it, like you're made him wear his father shoes to his father's funeral. It's a far. Not like you're going to walk in it. Like you literally going to wear his shoes. Okay. Which is a very strange thing to do to a 13 year old who like probably doesn't know how to handle their father dying, like forcing them to wear something from there, but like I feel like that's just like, like let him be. Yeah, like you don't. And also, she was telling him, you're the man of the house now.

You have to walk in these shoes. Like you have to wear your father shoes literally and figuratively, which is just a lot. Yeah. And what did you say, 13? 13 years old. Yeah, you're not the man of the house, you're a boy. And he was already having all these issues. It's like, I don't know.

No, no, no. What we want to do is like now make him feel like he needs to like take over for his like, I don't know. But more pressure. What we want to do is like, now make him feel like he needs to like take over his father. Probably not. And it's also putting a weird like, edipissing in there, because it's like, you're taking his place, you know, like, he's already, I don't know, it's just weird. So he entered high school. Weirdly enough, he was like pretty normal in high school, like, like with friends and stuff.

Yeah. He was popular, ladies really liked him. They always said he was very neat and clean and tidy and weird. I know that they have that in common. They come together and have that. Some people are clean, some people. But it's weird that just interesting that they both share.

And you don't think of two disgusting serial cases being two very neat and clean people. But he ended up getting married to his high school sweetheart at 18 years old She was a girl named Brenda Beck. He had known her forever But it only lasted like seven months. I think it was oh wow because he became obsessed with the idea that she was not a virgin What because remember he had a Catholic school upbringing okay, which, and I think there was a lot from mom happening that could have been feeding this purity and women kind of thing that he was forcing upon women.

Do you know if she was an virgin because they had slept together if she had slept with somebody else? No, he was obsessed with the fact, and who knows if it's true or not, he was just accusing her of sleeping with someone before him. And he was not okay with that. God forbid.

And then she also wanted to become a nurse. And she was like working her way through like nursing school and stuff. And he was obsessed with the idea that nurses work around male doctors. And so they're obviously like promiscuous and sleeping with the male. Yeah, totally.

That makes sense. So just like working really hard on dying people. No, of course not being kind people. So his idea about women was that they needed to be chased and pure. And he had this like unattainable thing that women, he was holding women. He wanted like the Virgin Mary. He literally wanted them. But it was like that idea of Catholic purity. That was like too Hard way too much. Yeah, because that's just not humanity Yeah, obviously he wasn't gonna find a woman who is gonna live up to his impossible standards because no one's going to be the Virgin Mary

It's just not going to have only one exactly presumably now. It's just yeah It's so and he also didn't like women having like lots of opinions and yeah He was just starting to go into that whole thing. How should you go fuck yourself? Yeah, and he also didn't like women having lots of opinions. Yeah. He was just starting to go into that whole thing. How did you go fuck yourself, Ken? Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, he's alive.

Continue fucking yourself, Ken is Bianchi. He also stole shit all the time. He was a klepto. And he would give those stolen items to his girlfriends as gifts. He was like Jack's tailoring from the metaphor. I'm like, shut up, I'm dead. He began to date several women at a time, and like they would all get pissed and find out about the other one.

Wow, literally. Jack's tailoring. Literally. One of them actually called the police on him, but dropped charges, but she called the police on him because he got angry at her for something, and it ended up throwing something through her window in her apartment

and trying to enter in there and like grab her. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no. And then later he was like, oh no, I just wanted to come up to talk to you, but I like accidentally made the window fall in. Yeah, it's always a bummer when that happens when I just want to talk to someone, but I break their window by accident.

That is all time. You know, whenever I just like accidentally outside of my own volition, launch something through someone's window, just so I can talk to them, I feel bad about it. I have glass fitters on speed dial. Yeah, I just I feel really bad. Yeah, but he was very charming. And that was one of the things that all of his girlfriends said.

They said he was very, and this is going to sound weird considering how he is about women. He was very doding and very like, he loved like romance. Yeah, because he probably knows what it takes. Yeah, he was very like Romeo with them and he tried really hard, but he also had those really hard fast opinions on like purity and all that. So it was a very weird dichotomy. And later, like we'll see when he meets Angelo Buono and he like, or he had met him when he was younger,

but like when they get together again, he sees how Angelo is just an asshole to women, but they just flocked him. Like he treats them like dish regs and they somehow are everywhere. And he sees this and he said, I immediately was like, what the fuck am I doing bending over backwards, being romantic

and like treating women, right? And none of them stay with me. So this must be the way you do it. And it's like, what a fucked up toxic. Like, it's just so crazy that they're like teaching each other these horrible things. Right. Because it's like, no, that's not what's happening.

Angela was literally grooming children who don't know any better. Like these aren't like, it's just so wild. So, Kenneth, or I'm going to call him Kenny, because who the fuck calls him Kenneth, not me. He wanted to be a police officer. No, thanks. Actually, even after this whole thing where he literally tried to grab someone at their apartment and almost got arrested. Like, you know what I should do? Police officer. He always wanted to be a police officer. And so he went to Monroe Community College and he started taking classes in criminal justice and psychology.

That's terrifying. He barely went. He did like really shitty. But he applied at the Sheriff's Department and didn't get the job. Because he really came. You have to like, no. And so he did get the next best thing.

He got a security guard job. Oh, yeah. So he did get fired from a ton of those jobs, though, because he would steal the things that he was supposed to be guarding. He just like couldn't stop stealing things. For a minute, this is so creepy. He worked as an ice cream man.

No. He also worked as an ambulance attendant, which please think about Kenneth fucking Bianchi being your ambulance attendant in your moment of need. Like an EMT? Please think of that. Like an EMT. Like an attendant, like helping like transport and stuff.

But what? In an emergency. My God. Yeah, that's fucking. Your time of need. Your ambulance attendant is Kenny Bianchi. Is Kenny fucking Bianchi. That's bananas to me. Like someone out there is like, yeah, Kenny Bianchi? Is Kenny fucking Bianchi? That's bananas to me.

Like someone out there is like, yeah, Kenny Bianchi drove me in an ambulance to the hospital. That's fucked. No, thank you. No, between 1971 and 1973, this is when like what we're up to now, there was also a series of child murderers happening in Rochester, New York.

They were called the alphabet murders. We are going to cover them because I think they're important. I don't usually cover child murders. I actually have that research done. But I was going to say that's one of the ones when we are going to cover. I'll just give you a quick little overview just so you know. Three little girls were brutally assaulted and murdered.

They were dumped on the side of the road. Their names were alliterative, hence the alphabet moniker. And Bianchi was in Rochester at the time of the murders and worked in jobs that would allow him to be close to kids and to gain their trust. Ice cream man, ambulance attendant security guard. He was looked at as a suspect. Wow.

And some people still think he may have been the guy because they never solved those murders. Interesting. He even told his girlfriend at the time that he was being looked into for those murders. Imagine being his girlfriend at the time. Well, he adamantly denied it. He denies it until this day. And I think who knows, really, I need to look a little more into it.

Because he feels, who knows if he has some weird code where he feels fine bragging about like teenagers and women that he killed, but not children. But kids, he doesn't feel as open to bragging about. Right. Some of them are like that. They find some weird line. He's in prison. You don't wanna be a child.

Well, that's the other thing. So it's like, I mean, he, because everyone's always like, well, he confessed to the other ones like so readily and it's like different. It's different. It's equal as horrible, but it's different. It's different. It's equal is terrible, but it's different. It's different.

It's different. But it's different. For the fact that like you said in prison, he's going to be treated way worse if that comes out. And then two, some of them have this weird moral code that they make up in their own mind where they'll kill a kid, but they don't want to brag about it. Right. They don't want to be known for it.

They just want to do it. Yeah. When he told his girlfriend this, she said he was like, I didn't do it, but they're looking into me, but he was almost bragging like that they were looking into him. Like he's so dangerous. I'm so dangerous. I might have killed a kid or three. Like a child, literally three little girls. Like, wow, so dangerous.

But did she leave him? No, I guess she was like, she said because she knew him and she was like he was so romantic and sweet and He would he would never do that. She was like never in a million years What I think he would ever do something like that. You never really years Do you think anyone would fill a child? She just wasn't she was like no, I wasn't concerned I was like that's weird. Maybe it's just you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or I wonder looking back now If she's changed her mind sure she has So in 1976 after he had proposed to a couple of girls he was dating and she all rejected

him. Just a few. He would, I mean, he's a fucking loser. So they all said no. And they all literally said no because they were like, you're a loser. Like you're not going anywhere. We're not going anywhere. Yeah.

And so he was like, I got to get out of New York because this is not working for me. And it was especially the rejection of a girlfriend named Susan Moore that really broke him. He like, thought she was the one. And so he was really hung up on her for a long time actually. And so he said he was gonna up and moved California

and his mother and his aunt Jenny hooked him up with his cousin, Angelo. Mm-hmm. So he ended up staying with Angelo for a little while and he was just an awe of Angelo. Just all these ladies everywhere. He's got this great job, he's got this great house, he's just living the life.

Yeah, he's like, I wanna live this life. He couldn't believe how many women were around there all the time and he also saw, like I said, that Angelo was treating them like garbage and they were everywhere. She's like, shit, that's all I gotta do. I gotta do that Angela was treating them like garbage and they were everywhere. She was like, shit, that's all I got to do. So he basically was like teach me your ways. And Angela's place.

Now Angela's place was clean and neat because he was very clean and neat, but it was disgusting in the sense that now Kenny is staying there and Angela's older sons would also come and stay there too and they would all pass women around to each other. Yeah. They would just do tons of drugs. They would all sleep with the same women, like sleep with each other, you know, the son's girlfriends.

And it was just this like, you. You just yucky. Den of masks. Yeah. And they, they especially talked about this thing that they did have never heard of it. But I'm sure everybody's gonna yell at me

for not knowing what this is. It's called Sherman. It's like a drug, Sherman's, and it's dark cigarettes, dipped in PCP. Oh, that's what they were doing. I was like, I've never heard of that. I don't even know what a dark cigarette is. I don't either, and I was like, this is wild.

So like, that sounds intense. I've never done PCP, so I can't tell you. But I mean, it sounds crazy. The PCP will fuck you up. I know that. I have seen it on intervention. Yeah, and sometimes, so sometimes they would do these shirman's and then they would all just watch porn together.

Watching porn on PCP. Does that sound like the most disgusting scene you've ever thought of? Absolutely filthy, but also like very, very ridiculously chaotic. So chaotic. It's scary to think about. I just picture a bunch of sweaty, moustache-y old 70s dudes sitting there on PCP watching porn together

and some of them are father and son. I just, this is too much. And they're all family, like cousins. Yeah. There's too much bonding here that I don't like. I don't even know what I would mean to call it bonding. I'm just hearing like, you know, the, you know,

the sound when like someone was on the phone and you were on the computer, and like, yeah, yeah. When you would try to go on the, that's just what my brain is doing right now. Like that's the chaos that I've been doing. The entire time that I've been researching this, my brain has been doing that. Yeah. So cannot compute. Yeah. So soon after he gets there, you know, they're they're trying to figure out ways that they can

now scammed together. Because they're like, we can scam things together. We're like liars and manipulators. Let's use our talents to get that. Let's borrow out in every way. So they had this scam where they would call a sex worker to come. Like literally you could go into the paper at that point and just like have a girl come to your house from like, you know, a call girl agency. Sure. But they would have to go into the newspaper for it. And they would all have sex with her when she got there, but then they would not pay her. So they'd show her a fake police badge and tell her to get the fuck out or she'd be arrested. So they would just order this woman to come to the house, all have sex with her and then refuse to pay her

for the services. That's really disgusting. Isn't that like, So they would rape her. They would literally, and it's like, no, that's her job, like fuck you. Right. And they're just like stealing.

But essentially. Yeah. And then they scaring the shit out of them by showing a police badge and saying you're arrested now. Yeah. Like it's just really fucked up. No, I hate that. So after, you know, they're doing this scam,

you know, they're just being assholes. And then finally, Angela was like, you know what? I've been a bachelor in this place for a long time. Yeah. Kind of sick of you being here, Kenny. You got to pay your way or you got to get out. Because he's free loading. I mean, in a bachelor in this place for a long time. Yeah, kind of sick of you being here, Kenny, you gotta pay your way or you gotta get out. He's free loading. I mean, in a way.

I hate to say that I don't eat blame Angelo blown over there, but you're like, I always blame Angelo, but in this sense, I don't know. We don't love the free loader. Yeah, so you know what, he was like, Kenny, you gotta get a job. So Kenny applied to the Glendale Police Department

and the Los Angeles Police Department and was turned down. And honestly surprised at the LAPD dad take him in as one of the row. I got to say that was a, oh, oh, moment for me as well. Good job. But yeah, they turned him down.

So he also tried becoming a psychologist but like a self-taught psychologist and a thing. Like he would just take out books from the library and he was like, I read them. And I understood them. I'd like to see more credentials than that in my first. And he was like, I took a psychology class

at the community college. So like, obviously, and I'm like, yeah, but you didn't go. Like, I don't have this certificate, but I took, like, four times. But I did go to a couple of classes. Like, no, thank you. You mean to, actually? Yeah, and then he tried to be a sex therapist, which,

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I don't know if you want, oh, Kenny Bianchi to be a sex therapist, which I don't know if you want old Kenny Bianchi being your sex therapist. I don't know if he's gonna be really good for that. Sure don't need that in life. He did not become one, so that's good. I mean, I don't know how he thought he was gonna become one of those anyway. I don't know how he, like, I'm gonna be an asshole.

He dreams Kenny Bianchi. I don't know how he thought he was gonna become anything by not doing anything. Yeah, I don't know. He's definitely one of those anything by not doing anything. Yeah, I don't, oh, he's definitely one of those people that wants all the accolades without any of the work and all of the things. Like, yeah, I wanna be a police officer, but I don't wanna do anything to become a police officer. And you can teach yourself to do a lot of things, obviously.

For sure. Like, you could be a self-taught, like a posterer, like, for sure. I can angel out there, I hate that I'm giving him his credit. I know what the hell's going on. But it's like, you can't be a self-top police officer or a therapist or no. Like there's certain things that you need to be like,

you know, classically trained. You gotta climb the ladder a little bit, my dude. But he was not into that. He just wanted it all, but he didn't want any of the work. Because again, he was lazy. His whole life, he was lazy. He had all the potential to do actually good things, but he was too evil and too lazy. His whole life he was lazy. He had all the potential to do actually good things,

but he was too evil and too lazy. So two things that are not good. So he did end up getting a job though. And it was actually a pretty decent job. He was a title officer at the California Land Title Company. And finally he got his own car with that money. It was a 72 four-door blue Cadillac style. And yeah, they trust me, they use it. He also finally got his own apartment. And it was only, yeah, it was only six blocks away from Angelo's and Glendale, so they could still hang.

Bad. Still do their thing. Bad. So then, of course, he starts dating all the girls in the apartment complex. Right. And he's just being a dick. He's dating them all at once. He's like not telling the other one about the other one lying and cheating and just being awful.

And so they're all finding out. Yeah, he's being messy. Most of them, he's so, he's the messiest bitch I've ever seen. Messy but neat. Yeah, he's messy. Neaten life, like messy in his behind the scenes life. Right. But he, so they're all like dropping them like a hot potato

because they're finding out and they're like, you're not worth this. No. Like you are not worth it. You don't can trouble her much. So they're all just like, fuck off. And one woman named Angie, when she found out, she was like, okay, well, like, fuck you, I'm just going to date someone else.

So she went and found a new boyfriend because he was cheating on her. So he got so angry that she got a new boyfriend and dumped him, that he broke into her apartment, cut a hole in her like contraceptive device like her diaphragm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stole her boyfriend's TV and then left a seamen-filled condom on her door knob. You, what the fuck? Because this girl broke up with him and got a new boyfriend. Because he was cheating on her. And I love that, that's what he does. That's his response.

Like, what? So that tells you, like, he's very honest. Also, this ecology behind, like, cutting a hole in her concert chest. Yes, that's what I'm saying. And you're now getting pregnant. Well, that's a big font. What?

Like, that's sick. It's so weird. And then it just, ew. Yeah. The condom on the door knob is like really gross That's just fucking nasty. So in 1977 he did finally meet a girl that he really liked right Poor Kelly Boyd. Her name was Kelly Boyd and they dated quickly and she moved in with him within months and in the same year

She was pregnant. No Kelly. No. He told her he had cancer. He did not. Why? Just for symptoms. Days, lies. Just lies and sympathy. And he even had her drive, he had her drive him to the hospital

for what he said was chemo treatments. What the fuck? But he was lying about the whole thing. He also constantly had affairs and cheated on her while she was pregnant and after. That's so terrible. At one point, he got fired from the title company because he had, like, marijuana in his desk at work. Like put that elsewhere. Well, that's it. I'm like, come on, dude. Like, just what are you doing? And Angelo was like, all right, well, what can we do for extra money? Because you still got to make money. And're not moving back in here. So it was like, I gotta do it.

So they decided that they were going to start by kidnapping some sex workers and like basically becoming their pimps and they were like, and we'll just take all their money. Yeah. And we'll just force them in sex work. Cause fuck a job, right? Yeah, no.

And Kenny was the one that was gonna to find the girls to do this with, because he was like, you're young, like, go out and get better looking. You're better looking than me. Even though like, it's just wild. So Kenny did end up meeting a 16 year old girl named Sabra Hannan. And if so, is that a party that he was at? He convinced her, she was like beautiful and blonde and like from out of time. I think she was from Phoenix.

And he convinced her that he had a modeling agency and she could become a real model. She had moved to LA to break into the modeling world. That's what she wanted to do. So she was eager. She was like, this is my big break. I met him at a party. This is like the tail you tell.

That's like the saddest part about like these things that happen in LA because I feel like it is probably so easy to trick people out there. Because it happens that like you meet someone at a party and they know someone like really not as anybody, but it hardly happens. But it's like this is not one of those things. So once they had her at Angel's home,

they forced her into sex work and they raped her themselves. They would show customers at the shop nude polaroids that they had taken of her to basically advertise her. They gave her some of money to buy clothing to wear and they would like when she would send, like go to clients and then they would use that money against her saying she had to work off her debt because now that she owed them. What? So they told her you have a year contract with us that you have to stay here as our prisoner and do this work and then we'll let you go.

What? Yep. And they would force her to strip naked and then ruthlessly beat her, sometimes with a wet towel when she was behaving. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah.

And when she misbehaved in their eyes. Yeah. This is when Kenny realized that he said this later, that this was the first time he had ever hit a woman. And he said he immediately was like, I love this. Oh, God, that's so fucking dark. Yep. It's really wild.

But through this girl, they forcibly recruited another 15-year-old girl named Becky Spears. Now, this was through Sabra because they forced her to recruit another girl. And this happens a lot. Of course. People in these positions will be forced to recruit someone else. And it's usually like, it can be like a safety thing. Like there's someone else here, even though you're bringing someone else into a really bad situation. It's like survival mode. And unfortunately, what's going to happen to you? What are you going to do if you don't?

They don't kill you. That's the thing thing and they had scared her so much that they actually sent her on a plane Sobra back to Phoenix to recruit to get this girl and they sent her alone Wow, but they told her that they had mafia ties and that they would be she would be watched the entire time And if she tried to escape they would kill her the psychological torture. Yeah Yep, and so they so she they recruited Becky they brought her back She tried to escape, they would kill her. The psychological torture. Yeah. Yep. And so they recruited Becky. They brought her back. They did the exact same thing to Becky.

They kept them there by saying that if they tried to run or tell anyone that their friends in the mafia would cut off their arms and legs and bury them in the desert. Jesus Christ. They wouldn't feed them mispunishment. They would take them out to dinners, sometimes the two of them, and then order food and eat in in front of them and just be like, you look really hungry.

Oh yeah. Or they would just lock them in their rooms for like hours or days and when let them out until they wanted to. It was like Ariel Castra. And remember Kenny is still with Kelly who is pregnant with their child. Yeah. While this is all going on and he's constantly trying to get Kelly to marry him. No. And Kelly keeps saying no even though she's pregnant with his child. this is all going on. And he's constantly trying to get Kelly to marry him. And Kelly keeps saying no, even though she's pregnant with his child. Because she's like, you're not husband material. Wow. And she thinks he has cancer.

Exactly. So, and then, and again, they are literally raping these girls violently. These two, this 15 and 16 year old that they have them out as prisoners in their home. Now, their operation that they were running where they were pimping these girls out against their will came to an abrupt halt.

Because the 15-year-old Becky was actually freed, but not by them, but by a client named David Woods, who had initially paid for a girl using a legitimate call girl service that Angelo and Kenny had hooked up with on the side. So they were hooking up with this call girl service and how he using it, they like worked out some kind of deal with them that they were using Sobber and Becky for part of it and they were getting a cut of it. And so David Woods I guess had called this service asking for a

girl. Becky was sent to him, this 15 year old, and he was probably like, what the fuck? And so he ended up talking to her all night, and she spilled the beans completely about the monsters that she was being kept with. She's gone for this guy, saying that they raped her, that they beat her, and she was like, I don't know what to do.

They said they have connects, and I don't know what the mafia is gonna be after me. I don't know what to do. They said they have connects. And I don't know what the mafia is going to be after me. I can't get out of this. So he actually sent her on a plane home to Phoenix that night. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Got her the next morning, excuse me, and gave her his own number to keep her safe. And then he told her, like, no mafia is dealing with a fucking auto-opulster

and going down. Like, that's not a thing, so don't worry. Like, you're fine. Get out of here, don't look back. If you need something, here's my number. Yeah. So he's center on his way. And actually, when they found out like when she was gone,

they were pissed, obviously. So they've tried to like have, like they tried to intimidate David Woods, like basically. Like, I think they like sent a bunch of weird, oh, they sent flowers to like all the, his employees saying like, rest in peace, David Woods, like basically being like,

his leaving him and trying to scare everybody. He was probably just like, you're, but he had better connects than they did. So he sent this giant fucking bodyguard to Angelou's home and the dude like held him up by his neck and was like, you ever fuck with David Woods again and I'll fucking kill you. Wow. And they never fucked with David Woods again. What happened to Kelly though? Well, so that was so that was Becky that got away and Sabra is the 16 year old. Oh yeah. Well Sabra is the white is Kellyd is the girlfriend of Kenny.

So and now Becky, or excuse me, Sobra is now seeing that Becky escaped. Right. She's like, wait, she can't escape. Right. And then pretty sure she heard the whole like bodyguard coming being like, fuck you, like and they weren't coming back at him with any mafia shit. Right. So she was like, they don't have these connects.

Right. So she escaped. Good. She got out of there. Good. So she went back home too, and she remained in hiding for two years out of state, because she was so scared that Angela would find her. Of course she was.

And she wouldn't even come back to testify later until her lawyers promised and assured her that Angela was specifically had been arrested and couldn't get her. His poor girl. And she did testify later. Good, like this good for her. Photos of her in court and stuff. She told them we've bad ass. Now and she went through hell.

Now they were pissed because these girls outsmarted them. And they were wiser than them. And this is when they decided that they were going to kidnap a sex worker, rape her, and murder her as a message to the world that they were not to be fucked with by women. Okay. Except that they were losers and they should have just gone into hiding as losers. Yes, correct. So one night, they went driving to find some girls to literally murder.

Oh my God. They saw two what they thought were teen girls walking. And so they swung around their car and literally blocked them in their fast walk. And one of the girls ran away, because that's fucking terrifying. She was like, peace. But they kept the other girl there by flashing a fake police badge,

and they asked her for ID. So I think she was like, oh, I don't have a license, but I have these, there was was like documentation papers. Sure. And so she hands them over and her name is Catherine Laurie, who is the daughter of Peter Laurie. Oh, Peter Laurie was a Hungarian actor who is best known for playing a child murderer in the movie M in the 30s. Talk about fucking meta, do you?

Yes, he was also in Casablanca, by the way. Like he was a very well-known actor. That's Alistair. The most meta. Like he played it in iconic child murder. He played it in iconic child murder. That is crazy, dude. Yes. And he was very known, very recognizable.

And they initially thought they were grabbing a teen on the street, but she was 25 years old. Oh shit. And she was the daughter of Hollywood elite. When she handed over the ID like the documentation, she also dropped a few photos on the ground that showed her with her famous father. Right, and they,

thank God. Luckily she had those photos. Yeah. Because they didn't immediately think of Peter Laurie. And so they were stunned. Like they had almost kidnapped, raped, and murdered Peter Laurie's daughter. Imagine.

They let her go and took off. And she said later when she was shown the photos of them and told who they were, that she said they didn't feel, she didn't get a threatening vibe from them. Weird. She thought they were like being nice. Well, I think that's like shows how convincing they were. And I think they probably got more and more evil

and people started getting more feelings over time. Exactly. And I think this was like once they figured out who she was, they were like, oh, yeah, they probably let their shit down. And later they said Kenny especially said that the only reason she wasn't murdered was because she was who her father was. And they said they were movie fans, especially big fans of his serial killer role. I'm sure they were. Yeah. That's bleak. So that's wild. Now, they ended up getting a girl named Jennifer Snyder to take the place of the two girls

that they lost and they weren't going to murder her. They decided they were going to use her in the same way they used Sabra and Becky because they were like, okay, that, I think the Catherine Laurie thing like freaked them out for a minute. Yeah. They were like, whoa, that was close. Yeah. So let's just go back to our original plan. Okay.

And we'll just be really awful to Jennifer. Oh, no. So Kenny also got, he purchased what he called a trick list from a sex worker named Deborah Noble. Oh, yeah. The list was 175 names of men. And they paid 175 bucks for this list. And these men were ones that had like frequently

had meetings with sex workers in the area. Sure. So Deborah dropped it off with her friend. And her friend that was with her was a woman named Yolanda Washington, who was also a sex worker. They told Kenny and Angelo that this list was for men who wanted sex workers to come to them.

But they found out after buying the list that it was for clients to come to the sex workers to come to them. But they found out after buying the list that was for clients to come to the sex workers. So there were now dudes coming to the house to see Jennifer, which is not going out. Which is not what Angela wanted. He did not want dudes coming to the house. And he had been told that that wasn't the case. So now he's pissed. Because Debra and her friend as far as he was concerned, lied to him. Now initially Kenny took it out on Jennifer. And he beat her and raped her ruthlessly.

And then told Angelo that she should be the first that they murdered. No. But Angelo said no, that could be traced back to us too easily. So he was like no. And Jennifer later said like she, in that moment, she was like they're gonna kill me. Oh my God.

It was ruthless. So because Yolanda had mentioned where she worked, like what corner she was frequently on, during the conversation with them when they dropped off the list, they decided to teach Deborah a lesson. They would kill Yolanda, her friend. Oh no. Because they were like, well, we know where to find her.

And she literally just like came along. Yeah no. Because they were like, well, we know where to find her. And she literally just came along. Yeah. Now, on October 17, 1977, they kidnapped Yolanda off the street, using the fake badge. They pretended to be police officers, handcuffed her, threw her in the back seat with Kenny. Kenny raped her, well, Angelo drove. And then Kenny strangled her with his forearms

against her throat. And when she wouldn't die, he used a rag to strangle her. Oh my God. Yeah. Now, they dumped her naked body handcuffed on the forest on forest lawn drive near a graveyard. And it's actually a graveyard that has like Hollywood royalty in it, which is just like a very weird dichotomy like this horrible thing, like right outside of this like Hollywood royalty cemetery, you know, it's just like it's really, it just

like gives you the creeps. She was 19 years old. And she was found the next day, October 18th, a music store owner named Ronald, actually later told police, he saw the whole thing go down. She uses it. But he thought they were cops. Right. And what is interesting is they cleaned her body before dumping her. There wasn't a trace left. Because they didn't want to leave anything.

And it was intentional, yeah. Of course. It was also clear that they'd left her as like a message. Yeah, because she was like right out in the open pretty much. Unfortunately, at the time, especially at that time, sex workers were not looked at in the way that they should been as humans. So the murder was not big news. It just kind of got fluffed up.

Oh, and they were probably pissed. So they, well, no, they felt great at this point. They were like, cool, we can keep doing this. Like awesome. But Angelo wasn't really as part of this one as he would have liked to been. He was just driving. So within a couple of weeks, he was like, I want part of this.

So we have to bring one back to our house so that I can be a part of it. So Halloween night, they went out and they looked for their next victim. They drove past a 15 year old girl named Judith Miller. She was on sunset strip and she was in front of like a, diner, she was a young runaway, she had been living on the streets for a long time.

She was like really struggling. She had possibly started doing sex work just to put food in her mouth, basically. But she was just in a really bad place. Angelo saw her and immediately knew that's the one. So he had Kenny get out of the car a little ways up and then he pulled back and chatted with Judith like through the door.

He told her he would pay her and he was sweet and kind with her made her trust him. She got into the passenger seat and he pulled up but quickly was flagged down by Kenny who flashed a police badge and told Judith she was under arrest. He handcuffed her and threw her in the back seat and then got in.

They told her that she was gonna be brought to the police station. They turned down some like weird side streets and she was like, what is going on? We're not going to the police station. And when she questioned this, they told her they were going to a special police division. They were like, oh, we have satellite offices.

So she was like, okay. Now they brought her into Angelou's home and they kept telling her it was a satellite police station. This is with like a couch and a fridge. Literally in like a aquarium. Like what is going. And she was like, this is not a police station. What is going on?

Yeah, of course. Now they still had her handcuffed and then they forcibly stuffed car upholstery stuffing into her mouth. Oh my God. And then taped around her head. Ah! Then they put it over both her eyes and taped around her head

as well. The actual thought. They then stripped her and threw her into a spare bedroom before flipping a coin to see who got to rape her first. Nope. Nope. They both brutally raped her and then forced her onto the ground where Bianchi kneeled on her legs

and Angelo kneeled on her shoulders. Angelo put a plastic bag over her head and sealed it with a cord and strangled like a fixated her. What the fuck do you do? That is brutal. Awful. Oh my god. That's a person. She's 15. She's a baby. Like a 15 year old who's been struggling on the streets. What the fuck? They then threw all of her belongings in her clothing and everything into a landfill and put her body in the trunk of the Cadillac. They then drove her to the residence

of a woman named Melinda Hooper, who Angelo hated because she rejected him. It was in the La Crescenta Avenue area, and they initially, intentionally dumped Judith's naked battered body in the bushes in front of this woman's home. Oh my God. And Angelo literally was like, I hope she sees it. What the fuck?

That is just a different, like that entire murder and how they dumped her is just a different kind of evil. Oh yeah, and it gets even worse. Awesome. But she was found November 1st, 1997. She was found and unidentified for a while because no one came forward to claim her. Right.

This is when Frank Salerno, whose name becomes synonymous with this case, started like going ham. I was gonna say I've heard that. And we're gonna hear about Frank Salerno a lot in the next part and that is where I'm going to leave you. All right, wow, wait a, wait a, end that, like that. It, that those are only the first two murders. There are 10 more.

They get more and more brutal. It is, this case is fucked. Yeah. These two monsters are terrible. I mean, like, I don't even know. Yeah, they're terrible. And every way you can be terrible. That's the thing, they have zero redeeming qualities.

Yeah, no, not. It's not even like they were like good husbands, could parents or anything like that, that they're literally horrible in every way that you can be horrible. Yeah, yeah. Every way. Correct.

Every way. I don't know. So that's part one of the Hillside Stranglers. Now we hope you are ready for part two and we hope you are. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. And this one absolutely goes without saying, don't keep it that weird. Yeah, we don't even need to go into that.

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