Morbid - Episode 258: The Hillside Stranglers Part 2

Episode Date: August 24, 2021

We’ve made it to part two of three of Alaina’s deep dive into the depraved minds of Angelo Buono and Kenny Biaanchi. If you’ve made it to this part, you know that this cousin duo is out on the sunset strip terrorizing the lives of young women. You can only terrorize one area for so long though and in this part they decide to switch up not only their way of getting victims, but also the process in which they torture and kill. This will be a tough one, and we hope to see you back for part three. Great Sources: Great blog post about Lissa Kastin's life and who she was before she was a Hillside Strangler victim The Hillside Strangler by Darcy O'Brien Killing Cousins by OK Modjeska As always, thank you to our sponsors: Scribd: Go to try.scribd.com/MORBID for your free trial. Warby Parker: Try 5 pairs of glasses at home for free at warbyparker.com/morbid Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/MORBID Edmunds: Visit Edmunds.com to see their Best Car Rankings and search for vehicles near you. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or Download the app today. Hey, Weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is really morbid. Yeah, Elena was like, this one's gonna be really tough and I was like, oh, I actually have five plans for today. I'm so much like, this one's gonna be really tough and I was like, oh, I actually have five plans for today. I'm so much into doing this. Yeah.

We are on part two of the Hillside Stranglers. We are still talking about Angelo Buono and Kenny Bianchi. Kenny is a bitch boy and so is Angelo. Let me tell you, these two are a lot worse than I think you are even thinking. They're a lot worse than I remember researching about. Yeah, it's like, it's going to get like toy box-esque slightly. It's, it's, I'm going to, I'm going to do my best to keep it like, listenable, you know,

so forth. But, you know, we're going to, we're going to tell all these girls stories. So this is going to be a three-parter because I also wanted to make sure that I was talking about not just how they died or how they were abducted, but I tried to look for as much possible information as I could about all of them. I wasn't able to get a ton of information on all of them, because it was a long time ago, it's just not available, but I got as much as I possibly could. So I wanted to talk about that too. You're a great trace agile.

I try. So part three, we will finish up the murders and we will talk about the trial and some wild stuff that happened in the trial. I mean, there's a girl who tried to murder someone for Kenny Bianchi. A girl who was in prison. No, no, no.

To try to make it look like he was like not the hillside strangler and they had the wrong guy. Like, yikes. There's also like a recent murder that happened in the Bono family. Oh. So there's a lot. Okay. There's a lot to cover in the third one too, but it's like all stuff from like aftermath.

And you guys are getting both parts this week. Yes, you're getting both parts this week, so don't worry, you're not going to have to wait till next week. But this part in particular is going to be tough. We ended last time. We had talked about the murder of 19-year-old Yolanda Washington. We had also talked about the murder and abduction and the sexual assault of both of these women of Judith Miller. That's where we attended.

They had dumped Judith Miller's naked body on the lawn outside of Angelo's ex-girlfriends house. Somebody who had rejected him. That was just like, what? And his whole thing was like, well, you know, like, I think you know, like, I think it'll just ruin our day. Or maybe like multiple days.

Well, it's like that's gonna ruin a lot of people's days, but like, you're a psycho. That's a crazy talk. As we'll see in this, especially in this part, they don't, neither one of them can handle rejection, neither one of them can handle. I mean, we saw that. We saw that. in the first part

when he went to fucking use condom on his ex-girlfriends door and then cut a hole in her diaphragm. Oh, it gets worse. No. They're non-handling of rejection. So now, by now, news of the strangler was starting to gain attention

because Judith Miller was found, but she was not immediately identified because she was a runaway. It was clear to police that she had died of asphyxiation and strangulation in that she had been brutally raped before death. This along with Yolanda Washington's very similar murder and disposal method seem to ring through to at least Frank Salerno at this point, that in members of his team that like something was connected here.

They also were able to recover a small piece of white stuffing material from Judith Miller's eye. And if you remember, they used to the car poultry stuffing over her eyes and like taped it as like a blindfold, and they do this. This is their thing that they do for everybody. They like leave them with that all over their face. No, no, because they, one of the things they are smart about

is they don't leave evidence. It was just like a small, leaf-lossing mind. And it's just something that detectives. Like an eye-loss or something. You know, detectives are looking for those tiny, tiny little things that you don't see. The trained eye. He happened especially Frank Salerno, he's got the eye,

so he happened to see there was a little piece of white fluff just on her eyelid. And he was like, so crazy that you have to pay attention to that. Literally the smallest little thing. Like so important, but it's like, I just can't imagine like, yeah, the stress of that. Well, in Frank Salerno is definitely a big part of this

and another detective, Bob Grogan. And he's actually like from Boston. Hey, you know, he was on the LAPD. He's a huge part of this. And while I was reading about this, I like fell in love with Bob Grogan. That's a detective thought. He's just like different. Like he's just like different.

Like he's a different kind of detective. He's like very like feeling and very... He's from Boston. He like gives, he's like a Boston dad. It's a miracle bomb. That's, he like reminds me of my dad when I was reading about him. He's just like this big guy who's just like,

but he's got that way about him but he still like has like this like empathetic way about him, but he still has this empathetic way about him. But it's very understated. I don't know. I just was like, I like this guy. He's got a Papa vibe. So we'll definitely be talking about them, but in November, Bianchi had had a fight with Kelly,

his girlfriend, because remember, his girlfriend's pregnant. He's wanting to marry her. And she's like, no. And she's saying no, it's a big mess. So had a fight cat, you know, and he was pissed of course, so he you know He storms out he shows up at Angelo's house and he wants to get his rage out And he wants to commit another murder because he's like now we've committed two murders I'm just makes us be our thing so they had been talking about this for days

And so Angelo was already prepared. He had laid out all the items needed to do it because they said they wanted to make it like smoother. And like organized. Yep, very organized. They had the tape on the counter, the stuffing, the cords, the rags, the bag. It was all ready to go.

That's horrifying. He said he didn't want to run around trying to find these things in the heat of the moment. He was like didn't want to run around trying to find these things in the heat of the moment. He was like, I'd rather them all just be laid out and we can just do this like, cleanly. Oh, mine. Yeah.

To stream line the process. Acting like he's about to like paint a room. Exactly. Like, what? And so he got in the car and they drove, or the two of them got in the car, they drove to the sunset strip because that was like their place to go.

Yeah. They were looking for a victim. So on the way, they drove by Angelo's ex-wife, Candy and his daughter Grace, and they beeped in wave to them. On the way to go to find a woman to murder, they beeped and waved at Angelo's ex-wife and his young child. What the actual fuck.

Hi, family. And knowing that later on, I was gone to her way to go find someone to kill. No. Yeah, that's terrifying. It's just little things like that that really stuck out to me. Because it makes them so much more evil.

It truly does. We know that they are, but it's like waving to your child on the way to murder another woman is like, what? It's wild. I feel like we always say it, but that's something you see in a movie and you're like, oh, yeah.

Exactly. It's true. These things are always things that I'm like, if that was written in a book or seen in a movie, you'd be like, that's a little too far. Right. But it's not. It's not.

It's really no too far. Like, I know what you're saying. I watch movies and I'm like, yeah, that probably did happen, right that movie the house that Jack built I haven't watched it But I've heard a lot about it and there's certain scenes in there where I'm like come on You took a to far then I'm like honestly though people are you don't people are the worst so yeah Yeah, I've heard that one is like yeah, I've heard that one's really rough if anybody's watched it

Let me know who looks really rough. Yeah So this and also I just want to mention again that I got a lot of information from the Hillside Stranglers by Darcy O'Brien. It's a really, really extensive book on this. I also got a ton of information from the book Killing Cousins and it's by OJ Majeska and I'm so sorry if I said that wrong. She is amazing and it's a really good book. It goes really far into it. So those are two really good sources of information. I also found a ton of old newspapers, a ton of old New York Times articles.

Oh, really. Newstakes.com. Yeah, I love going through old newspapers. We love it. We love it. So they decided, you know, they're gonna take their police badges for the ride tonight and they were gonna, they were gonna try to do something different this time

because before they were, you know, just pulling them out after they'd got a girl near them. Right. And just being like, we're a police officer here under arrest. Well, tonight they were like, let's pull a car over. Like, let's take this like further. Well, in Angela really loved the other guy that was putting like a siren on his clothes.

Yes, like that exactly, that serial rapist. Yes, Carl Chessman I think his name was. So yeah, and he, I think that was, he was like, all right, let's try this. Like if he can do it, why can't I? Yeah, why not? So near the Hollywood Hills, they spotted a bright like a lime green beetle like VW beetle. I love it. And it was driven by a girl with dark hair. And the woman would later be identified as 21 year old Lissa Caston. We will get much more into her after

this because I have a lot to say. They followed her until she parked outside of her apartment complex. Oh God. That's when they pulled up behind her. They got out of the car with their badges and pretended to be stopping her as police officers. She was very confused in asking, why am I being pulled over? She was like, did I have to do something? I didn't do anything.

But they just acted like they were professionals. And Bianchi told her, you know, there was a robbery around here and a witness pointed to her car as being the one leaving the scene. And she was like, well, there's like robbery around here and a witness pointed to her car as being the one leaving the scene. And she was like, well, there's like a ton of like beetles around here, they're everywhere. And she was like, it's the 70s.

But this is a very distinctive color. There's a reason. Which like, yeah, if you had all this to say. So she was like, okay, whatever. And then it's like, you don't, you typically argue with a authority. Yeah. But luckily, I mean, Lisa is a badass. And she like fought back.

She argued she was very hesitant to go with them. She was like, fuck. I don't think so. She was like, I'm not doing anything wrong. I don't understand this. But she finally gave in and they handcuffed her and put her in the back of the car with Blano. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondery's

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They did the same thing they did with Judith, but they ended up cutting her clothes off with scissors instead of on hand-cuffing her and doing it. And then this is where I get angry at how they talk about her, because the way that the two of them talked about her was really disgusting. Yeah, of course. So, Angelo Riff didn't want to participate in raping her because he said that her legs were

unshaving and that was gross. Oh, God, how dare she. He said, like, he was like, he was like, oh, she must be like a hippie. Like, I'm not into that. So Bianchi was the one who actually sexually assaulted her, but he used a glass bottle. Oh, oh God. Oh, yeah.

As he did this, so as he was doing this, Angelo put a bag over her head with a cord around the neck like before to begin the asphyxiation and strangle her, only this time he would slack the cord every now and then to bring her back, let her get some air and then he would do it again. He did this several times to torture her. Oh, that's like what they did to Colleen Stan. Yeah, and at one point they treated like traded places and Angelo sat on her knees while Bianchi was the one who strangled her to death.

So this took a long time. And as this happened, Kenny said that Angela was shouting, die, can't die. Jesus. Like in her face. Yeah. Um, yeah.

It's like, how do people like this exist in the world? You literally will, like, may have driven your car past these people. Yeah. Or like, seeing them in the grocery store. Like, it's just the craziest fucking thing to me. Well, that's in just the, like, that kind of torture exists on Earth, like, and it's, like, unthinkable.

I mean, this is, like, even describing it is not even real. To me, I'm like, that's not what? Like, that's a person. I'd fellow human real. Like, how I'm like, that's not what? Like, that's a person. I'd fellow human reason. Like, how did two people do this to another person? Like, and how did two people that are related to each other? Just, we said it in the beginning, but it's just like, what the actual?

It's wild. It's wild. And now, what bothered me, like I said, was how she was described also in a lot of sources that I found. The killers themselves tried to tarnish her memory by basically saying she was too unattractive for them to rape, basically.

It's like, okay, then why did you pick her? Like, obviously you were a trotter. And that's, and I know that that was a way just to fuck with her even after death. Yeah, like that was them to just keep torturing her after death. Let's talk about her that way. So I was looking for any, because I could only find one picture of her, and I was like, I want to find more picture.

This girl doesn't deserve to be talked about that way. No, I don't. That doesn't deserve to be what anybody knows about her. And especially when you die. Like that, it's like, so I kept looking. Finally I found this really cool photo of her, and I was like, oh my God, that's a beautiful photo of her. That she's so alive and vibrant and just looks cool. And so it led to this blog online written by someone named Andy Nakastro, who had the

same thoughts I did. And I was like, oh my God, I'm so glad someone else said this. So he wrote this like really lovely blog that got a lot more information about her in life, and I'm gonna link to it in the show notes because it was just like really well written. Yeah. But I wanna say I got like this information

about her life from there. So the picture you can see, she was, yeah, that's the picture. I love this picture. Doesn't she look cool? She looks cool. She looks like she's in a movie in this picture. She's a badass. She also has the most beautiful hair. Thank you. I love this picture. Doesn't she look cool? She looks cool. She looks like she's in a movie in this picture. She's a badass.

She also has the most beautiful hair. Thank you. I was literally just gonna say she was beautiful with a head of full of black curls. Like beautiful black curly hair. She was also the co-founder of the LA Nockers, which was this amazing rock dance troupe for her. Oh my god, did you see this photo?

It's like just the other girls in the photo. Yes, that's the photo that I saw. Yes. And I'm going to post, we got to post that because I'm saving it right now. She looks phenomenal. She looks so fucking cool. And she was the co-founder of the LA Nockers.

Like this cool, like this cool, like a rocked true. Yeah, and so there are videos of them online in that photo. You know, and like I said, the photo that shared around is not what she looked like. No, it's also just like barely even like shows. It's like the side of her face and it's just like, it's very like high contrast to you, so you can't really make out any features.

Yeah, exactly. And at the time of her death, she was working, you know, she was doing the dance troupe and she was also working as a waitress at the health fair restaurant on Vine and Hollywood. She was very into her health, like very health, she was like beautiful. Living a healthy lifestyle, she was dancing,

which was something she saw as a way to help keep herself moving, healthy, toned, and just like express herself. Look how beautiful she is there. Literally beautiful. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Her mother said that she didn't eat red meat. She was like, that was part of her like health journey.

Yeah. She had dreams of becoming a professional dancer. That's why she was in Hollywood. She seemed cool and vibrant and sassy as fuck in that photo. Yeah, she did. I'm glad someone else was as put off as I was as how she was described and how these killers have made her out to be like the ugly girl.

Yeah, it's like fuck off. Oh, because it's bullshit. And I'm like, it's like fuck off. Because it's bullshit. And I'm like, you two are gonna say anything about anybody's looks. These were all beautiful women full of life. Mm-hmm. Like all of them. And it's like, let's not pretend that she was any different. No, she was.

And so again, it's just another way for them to torture her after death, which I didn't want them to be allowed to do. They're so cool as fuck. There's so many cool photos of her now that I'm like diving deep in. She looked so cool. Wow. Lissa Cass did look like a cool chick.

They took the stage at the Playboy Club in LA in the late 70s. They were a big astute. They're back. They were a big astute. Oh my, look at her here. Holy shit. This girl is, this is like cool.

She is cool and that's, and she doesn't get described that way. No, fuck that. It's a very like off just, yeah, she was, she wanted to be a professional dancer. She was in a dance troupe. Right. And it's not like, no, she was a badass. Yeah. Like that's really, she was cool. Right. It just, it infuriates me. And she fought like hell against them from the jump. She didn't believe that bull should have held the police officers, but she had to go with it.

Cause what are you gonna do? Well, that's especially then. And it's like, but she was smart. She knew that this was weird. It just makes me really angry. But it's really sad. They drove her nude body in the Cadillac up to the Hollywood Hills again.

They brought her body to the Chevy Chase Gulf Club or Country Club golf course. They literally tossed her over a guardrail, like a bag of trash into a drainage ditch next to the golf course. Four days after this, they were ready to go again. Four days. November was, November 1977 in California was the month of hell. And imagine being a woman. No. Because they also don't really have like a specific type. Like, you know what I mean? No, all of these women are very beautiful, but in such different ways.

Yeah, they're all different. There's no, you know, there's no age. There's black, white, blonde, brunette, red head, tall, short, young, a little old. Like, they're all like, I think the oldest is like 28, but that's the only thing they all have. The youngest is like 12. The youngest is 12. It's like, there's really no one safe. And you know what, that's another reason why I feel like kind of the young ye could be one of the, like, Alfa bear murders. For sure. And when he talks about the murders, which we haven't covered, those yet, but we'll get to them.

The murders of the young girl, like the really young girls. When he talked about them in court, when he was testifying, he got like embarrassed. Like he would talk freely about the women. Everybody else. And then like yeah, whatever, like very casual. And then when he got to those, it's like he knew that that is the lowest form of low.

It is. And even though he did it, he was like not gonna talk about it. And you know what? So to me, it makes me think he could be that because he's not talking about it. Right. And he wouldn't talk about it. And we're talking about the alphabet murders

that he was accused of. And what makes me angry too is it's like, okay, so you can't talk about the fact that you murdered a 12 year old, all of these women that you murdered were 12 year olds at some point. All of us were a little girl at some point. Exactly.

So think of that before you want to fucking murder somebody. But they don't care. No, I know. But it's weird, because they do care when the person is that age, like afterwards, somehow. They don't care, but. No, they don't care about,

like it has nothing to do with like feeling bad. No. Or any kind of like moral compass. It's just about probably how it looks for that. It's the optics. And what's going to happen to them? Yeah, it's just the optics. Right.

They don't want to get there, like they don't want to get beaten in prison for it. They don't want to get killed in prison. And there's some weird thing in their brain that knows if they admit that. It's like a different kind of people, even though they don't want to get killed in prison. And there's some weird thing in their brain that knows if they admit that. It's like a different kind of people, even though they don't care. So four days later, they're ready to go again. But this time they said we gotta make sure that we get a good look at the girl

because they said they didn't like, they rushed to that last victim and blah, blah, blah. So November 6 is when Lissa Kastin's body was found by a woman jogging by the golf course, which can you imagine? No. Glendale police originally took it on, but Solano was there.

He was talking to them to see if there was any connection to Judith Miller, who they were still identifying at the time. Okay. When they did identify Judith Miller, they found that her family was living in like a motel kind of thing. Yeah, they didn't really care that she was dead. Her family did that. Yeah. Her parents had two young boys in the room and they were like, hey, like I think it was

um, detective Grogon. Yeah. Believe is the one they went. I can't remember if it was Grogon or Salano who went to the hotel room to show them a picture of her and be like, is this your daughter? Yeah. And they were like, one is the last time you've seen your daughter and they were like, I don't know, a month ago. She was 15. Right.

And they were like, hey, we think, I'm sorry, we think your daughter has been murdered. Like, she's literally like no reaction. What the fuck? Yeah, and they said like that, that show. So what they're like about. Just watch that poor girl must have gone for that girl. Exactly.

Which is really sad. But they didn't end up identifying her obviously. But he found out that Lissa, Salano, found out that Lissa also had marks on her wrists and hands that suggested she had been bound. And the ligature markings on both their next smashed because that was like the calling card at this point was the four ligature marks on the wrists and the legs and then the ligature mark on the neck. Okay. Five point restraint. They all had that.

That was what was linking them all up. But you put that with the violent sexual assault that they both endured and the proximity of Judith Miller and Lissa Kastin's bodies, which was only like six miles. And Salar no was like, this is the same guy. We have a serial killer. But now he's saying, I think this is more than one person. Oh, he, he was the one to think that I was all right. Yeah.

So he was like, it was him and Grogon who were like, I think this is more than one person. So, because there was no drag marks near the body, and there was no indication of dragging on the bodies. So they were like, this wasn't one person. There had to be two. And especially, Lissa Castin was kind of tossed over at guardrail. So they were like, there had to have been two people

doing that. So Salerno and the Glendale PD decided since this seemed like a serial murder case, they would only release certain information to the press at the same. So they kept a lot of it close to the chest because they were going to start keeping these, you know, in fact, Salerno wanted to keep the fact that they were strangled away. Wow. But it ended up leaking anyway. So on November 9th, Angelo and Kenny are driving around already looking for their next victim, like four days later. After driving around for a while, they passed, you know, this beautiful woman

who is standing next to a bus stop in front of May Fair Market. Okay. Her name was Jane King and she was 28 years old. She looks like Sharon Tate. She's gorgeous. She's so beautiful. They both agreed immediately that she was the one and they started discussing their plan. Bianchi was going to chat her up and charm her into feeling comfortable with him.

And then Angelo was going to pull the car up and next to them and be like, oh, hey, and they were going to act like they, oh, hey, pal, haven't seen you in a while, what's going on? Like act like they're just friends and that they just happen to run into each other. And Angelo was gonna say, hey, like, Kenny, you want to ride home? Like, don't get on the bus. Like, what's going on?

And then he was gonna go, oh, do you want to ride too? My friend is gonna give me a ride. Like, do you want, we can give you a ride too. Wow. Yeah. So he chatted her up for a while, they had a legit conversation, like got to know each other.

Wow. And he still, like that's, he didn't care. Crazier to me is that like he got to know this person. He personified her and still didn't matter. And then Angelo pulled up and he acted like it was the big quencin' and say, hey, Belle, what's going on? They offered a ride. Initially, she said, no, thank you. And that she was going to wait for the bus, but they insisted.

And then they both flashed police badges and told her they were in the Los Angeles Police Department reserves. And they were like, you don't have to worry about us. We're just off duty. So she immediately felt comfortable. I was like, oh, sure. Like cool. All. They continued to chat as they drove.

They didn't initially handcuffed her. They were like chatting with her, acting like everything's fine. They stopped, they put her between them in the front seat. Oh. They stopped at a store on the way home and said, like, we're just gonna run in and grab some cigarettes and like some drinks and stuff. Do you do you want anything?

And she was like, oh no, I'm good. Just like making it seem like this is like searching for a normal night. Like, left her in the car. So she could have, like if she knew, she would have got away, but of course she doesn't know. And so in the store, they talked about how they were going to do it and they formulated a plan.

So while she's sitting in their car, completely out of their way. Completely out of their way. Yeah, they're in that store talking about what they're gonna do and how they're gonna do it. That's the most terrifying thing. So they get back in the car and they tell Jane,

oh no, Angelo has something like really pressing he has to do. So we're gonna run by his house really quick because he just has to run it and do something. And then we'll bring you right home. And she was like, absolutely. And she was like, absolutely. And she was like really appreciative. Like she kept being like, you know, that's no problem at all. Like I really appreciate you guys doing this.

Like don't worry, it's fine. No rush. So they drive her home, no incident as they're driving her home. They pull in the driveway. She's not thinking anything of it because they said they were gonna do this. Right. Then I guess behind her head, they like nodded at each other and they each grabbed

one of her arms. Oh my God. Isn't that terror? And she started fighting. Good. They immediately have a cup there. Totally like in such a sense of comfort and totally take a vice surprise wind knocked out of you. Yeah. That's it's like getting a gut punch. It really is. They immediately hand-coufter. She was terrified, obviously, and they just dragged her into his house. They did the same moves with the blindfold, the gag, made of a poultry stuffing and tape around her head.

And they always made their victims when they were doing this. They immediately always put them on this brown vinyl chair. Oh God. They just, it kept being mentioned that like they all got put on there to get gagged and bound. It was just like this weird like pattern that they did. Yeah. And later I think they found fibers on one of them

that matches to that chair. So it becomes a thing later. Okay. They made her stand and they used scissors to cut her clothing off. That also would just, like that is scary enough in itself. So scary. Just like cutting your fucking clothes off.

Like, yeah. They then threw her into the bedroom and they did the coin flip again. That's just to go first. That was also their thing. When Kenny tried, she literally told him she was like, you know what, I may be bound and helpless to what is happening here, but I'm not gonna pretend that I'm not fucking

disgusted by you both. Good. She literally was like, I'm not gonna pretend that this is in any way normal. So like fuck off. Right. Which like, yes, Jenna girl. Like, oh, it makes me so angry like that she was putting this,

like these people were putting these positions to like the handcuffs, you can't get out. No, what are you gonna do? There's no breaking up. And then you can't see anything. They can't see anything. They're get like it's insane. And you don't know where you are.

Oh, it's just, they, I hate the thought of any way to like cut off all source of escape for them. So Angelo, after she says this, Angelo gets angry and takes comes in with twine and hogtied her with her legs behind her back and attached to her arms behind her back. Oh my God. Then Bianchi raped her again.

They did the same thing. They did to Lisa, to Lisa Kasten. As she was being raped, they put the bag over her head and strangled her. While every now and again slacking the ligature to give her breath, they lengthened the torture considerably until finally they strangled her to death. They drove her to the Los Felice off ramp, off the Golden State Freeway, and they dumped her naked battered body off the side of the road. Which is... So Jane was...

She was a follower of Scientology, which at the time was like huge too. She had a boyfriend and a roommate who immediately reported her missing when they couldn't get in touch with her. People who knew her described her as sweet, polite, very shy, like a little, like she wouldn't open up to everybody.

She was a very healthy person. She liked to keep herself in shape. She would hitchhike often, but again, it's the times. Because she also told people that she had this ability to just tell when someone was not a good person. Oh, man. And she would reject their ride if they she got a feeling. Right.

And it sounds like she had a feeling quickly about them, but then the badges were the thing that kind of overrode that initial instinct she had. Absolutely. Now remember, at this time, Bianchi was still with Kelly, the mother of his future child. They fought constantly, she would leave for days at a time to cool off, but whenever she would come back,

he would leave flowers around in love poems and shower her with affection. Imagine getting a Kenny Bianchi love poem. No, no thank you. Ew. And to ease her concerns about money because she was like, you know, like, we're gonna have a child coming in, like, you're not stable. Right. Like you were.

You saw a mess. So he bought and printed out fake psychology certificates and degrees and told her that he was doing it on the side and that he had gotten certificates. And he even rented office space from an actual psychologist who was saying he would mentor him because he was being told he was in school for psychology. Right. He didn't get any real clients and it fizzled out but like wow. Dude, why not just put that time into going to do something for your set like make something of yourself He liked psychology now, but and it's like he actually liked like he did get a couple of people Right he was like trying like doing like you know intern level like therapy was right and it's like

Why didn't you just do that? Right. That's weird to me. That's weird. That you had this weird instinct that you wanted to help people through like therapy. Yeah. And also want to do the most horrific,

torturous things to women. But I also wonder if he like got off on other people's problems. Well, that's what other people's suffering. Exactly. That's what I think it is. It's like not an instinct to help. And not a willing to help.

He may have thought it was. Right. Initially an instinct to help. He's not a willing to help. He may have thought it was, initially, an instinct to help people, and oh, this is my calling. But then I think he just likes hearing people in pain. Yeah, I think so too. I think he just gets off on it, so it's like wild. Yeah, his brain is truly a thing.

And he's still working at an office place right now, and because the murders are all over the news now, people are talking about it because like fear is everywhere. So at work everyone's talking about it. And so at his own work, he would engage in conversation and speculation about who the hillside stranglers were. I feel like that happens so many times. So many time.

So many real killers and you just like, imagine being like that guy's coworker and you're like, oh fuck, it was him all along. Yep. And you just like, imagine being like that guy's coworker and you're like, oh fuck, it was him all along. Or excuse me, I imagine being one of his clients that he did therapy with. No. Like, Kenny Bianchi gave me therapy.

Yeah. The fuck. Like, you need therapy now to deal with the fact that Ken Bianchi gave you therapy. Legitimately. Like, on top of whatever you were initially going to therapy for. That's so, yeah, I just hate him.

I hate them so much. And people he used to work with said later that they would be like standing around talking about it because like it's big news. Of course, if there's a serial killer around here, that would be whatever he was talking about. Well, there is. Well, like a, you know, but he would say,

so they said he would joke and be like, you know, it could be anyone like, what if it's me joke and be like, you know, it could be anyone. Like, what if it's me? And then like, he would just like, and then he would just kinda like, like, wink at them and laugh. And they were all like, oh my God, Kenny. Like, it was one of those.

Yeah, it was so funny to joke about being a serial killer. If someone said that to me, I'd be like, so it's you. So it's mother fucking you. Well, I just be like, is it though? Right. I'd be like, who said that? Who said that? Who said that? Who said that? Who said that?

Who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? Who said that?

I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? Who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that?

I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? I'd be like, who said that? Well, I'd be like, who said that? I'd be me why you said that. Why did you think that was funny? No, I'm not even putting myself in that position. Sit down. Get out of here, I'm calling the fence. Oh, we're having different reactions because I'm, sit down. No, get out.

Sit down, sir. Exit. Tell me what you thought was humor about that. I just explained to me where you thought somebody was gonna laugh at that. I called you a new bird. It's, I dialed 911, that's humor. Yeah, because this isn't like, like,

oh, well, these are like brutal, brutal birders. Well, that's, it's not like this is like some, you know, bank robber, which is awful in its own right, but it's like that you're like, oh, it could be me on this mass bank robber. Right. Like, even that, I'd be like, are you like, oh, well, it's me sexually assaulting women

really terribly, dump, and then just throwing them off of landscapes. Yeah, that could be me. Hello, I'm being raped and tortured and murdered women. Y'all naked in the hillsides. Could be me. Law. So funny.

Wink wink. I'd be like, got the fuck away from me. Like get the fuck out of here. But apparently, you know, Kenny was able to charm people and he was able to put them off as very innocent, kind of bumbling and a little just like, you know, I mean, he was, he like with girls that he was dating, he would like be horrible. But then he would smooth it all over by being like a hopeless romantic with the flowers

and the poems and the affection. And you know what the other thing is? He never accomplishes anything. Like he doesn't do anything, and obviously murder is not an accomplishment. No. But it's like, you wouldn't expect him to do that, because it's...

Because he doesn't follow through on any kind of... Yeah, like it takes a lot of time and weird like compulsions. Yeah, and it's like, you just don't... He doesn't follow through on any kind of thing. Yeah, so he literally doesn't do anything. He wouldn't be anybody who would do anything, especially not serial murderers. Murder, excuse me.

It's really wild. So now Jane King wasn't found right away. She was thrown off the side of the freeway in a very weird location. She was really only going to be found if someone pulled off on the off ramp and happened to see her. Right. So in fact, they had joked when they had put her there that she's only going to be found

if somebody pulls over to pee on the side of the road and they're like, oh, they'll find something crazy. Well, they thought it was funny. Not funny. So they looked for their next victim because they had gotten away with this last one and it had gone exactly how they wanted it to in their eyes. So this time these fucking monsters decided they wanted younger and they wanted a virgin because in their eyes this was the ultimate sacrifice.

That's how they described it. Why are we getting like satanic here and shit? Now this one's horrific and I'm going to kind of blow over it as best as I can, because I don't wanna even think about this. Yeah. Their next victims were a double murder at the same time on November 13th, four days after the murder of Jane King. They were going four days between murders.

That's insane to me. These victims were 14-year-old Sonia Johnson in 12-year-old Dolores, Dolly, Sopeta. Are they related? No. They look a little bit old. No, they're just really good friends. They're so adorable. And Dolores went by Dolly. I love that. Yeah. They saw them boarding a bus and noticed that they were young. They waited for them to return boarding a bus and did notice that they were young. They waited for them to return on that bus and then when they were walking home, they acted like cops.

Said there was an armed robber in the area and that they would probably be safer with police officers driving them home. Yeah, they did the same exact thing to them that they did to the others. The same thing. They're fucking swamp scum. Like lower than swamp scum, I hate the people like this exist. I fucking hate it. After reading this, I was like, I hate 12 years old. Oh, 12 years old. Dali was 12. Oh my God. Sonia was 14, which is about 12 years old. 12

years old. Like, had braces. What the actual fuck. So after everything, they dumped both of their nude bodies in a place that Angela referred to as the cow patch. He had taken women there many times before to hook up. And it was on a hill near Dodger Stadium. Their families immediately went into panic mode when they didn't return home. Because now there's already been countless girls that have been killed before them.

And they're probably thinking like, it can't be. They're babies. Right. That's not what they go for usually. But they searched high and low for them throughout the neighborhoods and the surrounding areas. They reported the missing right away. And searches were constant throughout the next week. The school they attended even was set up as a search headquarters. Flyers were distributed, it was huge. No one could have thought they were the victims of the strength. No, I mean, looking at them,

even in the group of all the women that were killed, like they stick out to you. Yeah, you're like those are babies. Those are baby spaces. It's just horrific. Especially Dolores. Oh, she's a little dolly, like, and both of them look like so happy in their pictures and like, just so

long. You have your entire life I had to be. Yeah, they just look alive. Like, it just, the, and for them to be together, it's like horrific and comforting that at least they had each other. I hope. But it's like, one of them had to watch the other one die. Right.

And that was the last thing they saw. You know, like it just, when I think too much about it, it like really, yeah, that'll help you bring up. Yeah, that'll help you bring up. But a few days went by and they wanted to go again, a few days. So they took their usual drive down to the sunset strip and now, because of all the publicity, these murders and missing women are getting on the news. What is it called?

The news. I was going to say the media, what they're getting on the media, on the news. Police are now crawling the strip because they know that they are grabbing people from there. So they're just waiting to catch them in the act. So they see this and they turn around and go home because they're like like shit. Now they have to tweak their plan because they have now overstayed their welcome on the strips. So they figure they will just, you know, get someone they know. What are we doing? Why are we just getting strangers? Let's just get someone we know

that's easy. We'll be able to get them in the car. So Kenny immediately thinks to one of the women who lived in the apartment complex he used to live in. She had rejected him because she was beautiful and had taste. He was going places and she knew that he was a fucking disgusting perverted, hog human. And so she was 20-year-old Christina Weckler. She was still living in the apartments because Kenny called to check. And when he called to check, he said something like discussing to her on the phone.

Yeah. And just hung up the phone. Yeah. Like he's that person. Of course he is. So they made a plan to make her their next victim because Bianchi wanted her to pay. Right. So they showed up at her apartment on November 19th. Kenny knocks on the door with Angelo waiting in the car. So he flashes his police badge and he's like, oh my god, hi, Christina, remember me? Kenny Bianchi. I'd be like, no. And he's like, isn't it crazy? I'm part of the LAPD reserves now. Like, isn't that nuts? And she's like, yeah, why are you here? And he's like, okay, well, I'm here because I'm patrolling the area because I'm part of the LAPD reserves now. See my badge totally. And he's like,

and I saw that someone hit your car on the street. Oh, shit. And he's like, but I can help you fill out a report. And because I'm in the LAPD reserves now, don't know if you noticed. Right. I can help you fill out a report and get the best insurance pay out here. Like, I can help you. Uh-huh. So, he's like, step out here. No, I'm up and she's like, okay. Why not?

Like, I'm just like, you think I'm on your car? So, she's like, that's annoying. So, she comes out. Angelo pulls up and they literally just grabbed her and threw her into the Cadillac. Oh, my God. Yeah. When they got her to Angelo's house,

it was the same horrific thing. They both brutally raped her. Brutally, I mean, she brutally. She was, he was punishing her and they did horrific things to her. But then when they were ready to murder her and this one's really bad, just putting that out. They're all bad, of course. But this one just takes it to another level. When they were ready to murder her and they decided they were going to prolong the experience because they kind of liked the torture that they had been inflicting on victims

by letting them kind of gulp for air for a little while. So this time they put a bag over her head then they use the ligature to start strangling her but then Angela said stop let's try something. her, but then Angela said, stop. Let's try something. So they also thought this might keep the cops off their tails if they kind of messed with their MO a little bit. And they wanted to keep doing this forever. So they were like, we got to do things that throw them off our trail. So they took back, they took the bag off and the ligature off. Next,elo got a syringe with a needle that he had for like drugs, and he filled the syringe with Windex. He then injected this into Christina's neck and upper arm. She immediately went into convulsions. Yelp. Because it's cleaning fluid directly into her blood system, but she didn't die. So next, they dragged Christina over to the outlet of a gas stove in the kitchen.

It was waiting to be fitted with a proper pipe, so the line was open. They propped her against the pipe with it pressed to her neck. They then put the bag over her head so that the pipe was inside the bag, and they sealed it with a ligature around the neck. Then Angelo turned the gas on and off a bunch of times while Bianchi strangled her over and over with the cord. How the fuck does your mind even think of doing something like that? This last part took over an hour. Bianchi later confessed. Over an hour. I just don't even, I don't know how your mind comes up with that. Like what?

It's, when I read this and that poor girl rejected him, that's it. Like just was like, no, I don't want to go out with you. And probably just was like, no, thank you. Because you have that right as a human being to say yes or no to somebody. Even if she said, go fuck yourself. It doesn't fucking matter. Like, she just said no.

That's all that it took for them to go this hard. She inject windex into somebody and then not have it end there. Her, you hook them up to an oven, her, her ordeal. It's just unthinkable. I've literally never even heard of anything like that. It's unthinkable, it really is. And it just like really bums me out.

But that's what they did to her. November 20th, three bodies were discovered in the same day. Wow. LAPD homicide detective Bob Grogan, who I mentioned earlier, he was called onto the scene that day. And I think it was his day off.

It was a body that was discovered in the hills between Glendale and Eagle Rock, which means nothing to me because I'm from Massachusetts. But yeah, I don't know what that means. Somebody will know where that is. I looked it up like on Google Maps so I could kind of get an idea. Immediately, he noted the same ligature marks as the rest

and he was the first to point out that likely these guys might be Necropheliacs as well. Oh. He said he just thought he's like, it really tracks with how they were. I think they were. I think that they definitely were raping these women after they had killed them.

Okay. Now, he believed after the murders that they were not just packing them up and bringing them somewhere, that they were keeping them for at least a little bit. Not days, but like hours. What the fuck? And he could see needle marks on this body,

so I'm right, which is new. So this was the body of Christina Weckler, obviously. Christina, I want to talk about her in life now. She was an honor student at the Pasadena Art Center for design. She was very well-liked. She was ambitious as fuck. She was also quiet and just a hard worker.

She kept her apartment like super neat. She laid out her clothing for the next day as well as her pajamas for the evening. Well thought. Like she was just very like, and she also was a future thinker. Yeah, here's what I'm gonna do tomorrow. Right, and it's like she never could show me. Like she may have had her like cloning laying on her bed. No, she did. She did. When when Detective Grogon went into the apartment

till that's how they found out, he saw all of her things laid out for the next day. Can you imagine also having that job, like going into some apartment and just like realizing like she was thinking about tomorrow, like three seconds before she answered the door to Kenneth Bianchi. Exactly. Keny Bianchi. And when they were in there too, Detective Grogon said he saw like this drafting table completely set up with everything laid out to just create amazing art. Wow. And he was like for some reason that like really got to me because it was like this was her

shoes sit there. Passion. And just do these amazing things. And she was giving something to the world. Exactly. They also found a diary that was filled with art, filled with thoughts, and all the thoughts were about her amazing life and how much she loved her friends and family. It was literally just these thoughts of like, I love my family. I'm just so lucky. She's just so full of happy here's art. So Detective Grogon was so upset by how alive and like full of character her apartment was when he went in there.

He's like, it just really, some of these places, that's why I like, because he's like, some of these places just really get to me. Of course. I think of who they are. And he was like, and she just went through such a horrific ordeal in her last moments

that it's just seeing how she was in life, like really just like bum me out. He sat at that art table and read her entire diary. Wow. And he also said he immediately bought his own teenage daughter a car because he was so terrified of her taking a ride or getting on the bus or anything.

He was like, I don't care, I'll just, she out the bus. He had her car. He also kept the notebook. He didn't immediately put it into evidence because he wanted her parents to have it. Wow. And he didn't want it to be exploited later for trial. One, it just, it doesn't really need to be. Well, he said there's nothing in here that says anything about boyfriends or anything about like anything that could be used in trial. Yeah. Isn't in here. Right. So there's no reason for it to sit on a shelf like her parents away from

her parents. And he said he would keep it secret unless one of her friends mentioned that she had a notebook. Right. And he's like, and then I will have to put it in. Of course. But he was like, so he ended up taking Christina's father. Charlie, I believe his name is out for like a drink when he flew down

to identify her body. He they were in San Francisco. And over drinks, he showed him that notebook. Wow. And he told him like, if I have to give it over, I will have to, but I'm going to keep it out if I can. And as soon as the trial's over, I'm giving it to you. Wow.

But he's like, I just can't give it to you yet. Because just in case. But just to do that, like can't give it to you yet, because just in case. But just to do that, like, to think of her family in like one way, like a lot of people wouldn't do that. No, and he sat in that like restaurant and they read the like, the diary together. That makes me want to cry. Again, that is something you see in a movie. Yeah.

And you'd be like, that would not, that's never happening, but it is. And her father ended up writing on top of every single page in the notebook. We're going to make me cry. but it is. And her father ended up writing on top of every single page in the notebook. They're gonna make me cry. Copyright 1977 by Christina Weckler because he said he never wanted someone stealing her work. And then he said, at least her work can be safe. That's like the saddest thing ever.

Isn't that just like, and like gave me a lump in my throat? These girls are like real people. They're not just like strewn on a hillside naked. Nobody is. So at 4 p.m. the same day, another scene was found. Because remember, they found three bodies this day. A nine year old boy was playing in a trash pile

on a hill near Dodger Stadium. Why, though? He would play there often because he could find treasures in the trash and like him and his friends would go there and like play Um, he had seen what he thought were two mannequins and he went to investigate He had gone close to them and soon realized that they were bodies covered in insects and badly battered Oh, no, he immediately ran to tell his 17-year-old brother Who called the police?

These were the bodies of Dolly and Sonia, the 14 and 12 year olds. When they spoke to their families and the girls school, they found a boy who said he was actually on the bus when they got off and he said he saw them approach a car's passenger side and talk to two men. So he was able to say there were two men in a car. Good. So November 23rd, the next day, Jane King's body was found finally 15 days after she was killed in California. Yeah. She was only found because a highway worker happened to be clearing some stuff off of that ramp and noticed a smell. Now after this, a task force was formed to catch the hillside stranglers.

It had a ton of members, I mean, from like different departments, I think it ended up being growing to like over a hundred members. Wow. Now Kelly, Boyd and Kenny Bianchi got in another fight around this same time, and for the first time, he punched her in the face. And she's pregnant. So she moved out for, she was like, for what she said was the final time.

She was like, no, like this isn't happening. So he cried, he apologized. He was, you know, oh my God, I can't believe I did that. I would never do that. And she was like, but you did though. He punched a pregnant woman girl friend in the face. A woman in the face. Yeah. Let alone.

He punched a pregnant woman in the face. And so she was like, yeah, I'm not interested in dealing with your shit anymore, so you can fuck off. So Thanksgiving comes around, because remember when November, Angelo and Kenny celebrated together at Angelo's mother's Jenny's house.

His daughter Grace was there. She was like 16 at the time. So she's got enough to make you a Thanksgiving dinner, but she's that kind. But she's that kind. Okay. Because if you, I mean, I'm assuming you've listened to part one, if you're listening to that,

he would only refer to his mother, Angelo, as that kind. And like in front of her. In front of her, in front of everybody. Like to everybody. But she's got enough to make you a fucking turkey. Oh yeah. Well, and you wanna hear how horrifying these people are. No.

His daughter Grace, who was 16, was there. And Angela was saying, be careful out there. That hillside strangler. He's scary, and I don't want anything happening to you. And was literally, like, and Jenny said later, like, she was like, oh, he's like being a caring father. He's being like a dad right now. Like, that's, wow.

A few infertiles. That's not Angela, so that's, wow. A few infarctionally low. So that's very impressive. Right. That he was like, he was like, you know, like if you need rides, like you got to make sure you're not getting on the bus and all that. Like, no.

Wow. Like he's that guy. And then like for great use. And he's having fun doing this, like talking to his kid without his kid knowing. That's like also almost like torturing his daughter. Exactly. And then Grace was probably like, wow,

my dad actually cares about me. Yeah, but then later finds out he was just fucking with her for his own like fun amusement. Yeah. So November 28th, 1977, they went out driving for another victim because November is not over yet. It's the month of hell. My God. So they spotted Lauren Wagner outside of a donut shop on Sepulveda Boulevard and they knew she was it because Angelo liked red hair. Gross. They followed her to her home where and she was in a like lived with her parents in a home in a residential area. And they so they pull up behind her and they flash their badges, and acted like she had to come to the station with them. Like, didn't really give her a lot of information,

but she was like, what the fuck? This was like 9 p.m. at night. And she literally was like, um, my father's in the house, literally right there across the street, and you can take it up with him. Yeah, like she was like, I'm not just going with you.

So once she said that, they just attacked her and threw her and like dragged her into the back seat. Because they were like, well, she's not going to come. She fought. And they brought her back to Angelo's and they did the same kind of thing. Imagine knowing that your father's like a hundred feet away. Yeah. And now her parents know that they were like in war sleeping while that was happening outside of their house. I can't, how do you go on. So they did the same kind of thing that they had done with Judith Miller and you know but this time they want to try something new again. So Angelo took electrical wires from the shop, stripped the rubber ends off of the ends to expose them, he then taped

the parts those parts to her palms and plugged to the other end into the wall to electrocute her. And it worked, but it didn't kill her. Right. And he just kept several times pulling it out and putting it back in to give her jolt of electricity. What the fuck? Yep. According to Bianchi's later confession, he said, quote, he brought this electrical cord in from the shop. And he's torn off the insulation at the end, taped the wires on her hand and plugged it into the wall. He did it a bunch of times and she was shaking and moaning, but it didn't work.

So they did the same method with the bag and the cord after that. So first that happened. And then after all that torture She's again and they said it was like hours of this of course because they're sick fucks now November 29th the next day 18-year-old Lauren Wagner's new body was discovered in Mount Washington on cliff drive When she was this and she was like right on the road like Unfortunately, you'll stumble upon crime scene photos. If you look this up, so just fail warning.

Oh, geez. If you go into images, things are going to pop up. So if you're not down to see that, just warning you, don't do that. But she was basically halfway on the road. Wow. Like, they just dumped her. Like, they just wanted.

They probably wanted to be like, another one. Another one, we did it. Now, when she was discovered, they immediately noticed the ligature marks on all the limbs in the neck, hillside strangler calling card. And a closer look revealed that she had those adhesive, this adhesive on her hands.

She like, tape burnt at all on her palms. And her, yeah. And that it clearly tape had been wrapped around them and on her palms there were burn marks, but they were strange looking burn marks. Right, because it's like a small, like wires basically.

So she was identified by her parents, and according to the Darceo Brian source that I talked about, her family was very close, like this destroyed them. Her parents and siblings were devastated. They said Lauren was sweet, just a perfect daughter. You never had any trouble. They never had to even set a curfew for her. She sewed for everyone.

She made them dresses. She made her mom like a pantsuit. Stop. She cooked Thanksgiving dinner for them that year. She was giving. She was kind, a hard worker. Her mother said that she was worried about the strangler and had warned her to be careful

because of the strangler. So she was like knowing this now is just... Right. And that she was careful. She was in front of her house. I was gonna say she wasn't. She was just getting out of her house. Right. Go into her house.

Like all of these girls, they're just riding the bus. Yeah, she just driving the horn. They're just driving this. They're in their fucking apartment. They're just living. They're just living their lives. So they said that night before she was going out and she and had said she was going to be home by 9 p.m. They had all gone to bed and when they woke up she wasn't home. But they did see that our car was still parked out front and when

they looked the door was open. Oh, gone. So the father immediately went to all the neighbors and asked if they had seen Lauren. And the one across the street, a woman who was in her late 50s, I think her name was Bella Stofer. She told him that she did see Lauren around 9 p.m. pulling in. And she said she had pulled over and parked, and then two men in another car had talked with her. And she said it looked like they were arguing a little bit. And she said she left, what she last saw,

she had gotten into the car with them. Oh, God. Now, she was literally coming home from being out and was just ambushed and abducted feet from her door. Right. Now, when Detective Grogon talked to the neighbor that night about after speaking with Lauren's family, she told him she didn't know if it was Lauren at first.

So she that's why she didn't say anything. Right. And she was scared, but she would also, she said, I just received a phone call before you came here. And she was like, what kind of phone call? And she said it was a man with a New York accent who called her and said to keep her mouth shut about what she saw last night, they were going to kill her. What the fuck? How did they even about what she saw last night or they were gonna kill her. What the fuck?

How did they even know that she saw them? So what had happened was she had a dog, a doberman. And the doberman was starting to bark. Right. And her husband was like in the bath, in the back of the house, so he wasn't hearing what was going on. But so she went outside to see what the dog was barking about.

The dog was barking at the herbbing side. And dog strangers. And so she cr to see what the dog was barking about. The dog was barking at the her being outside. And so she crouched down with the dog and was like watching what was going on. But she wasn't letting all this on because I think she was embarrassed that she didn't do more. Yeah, of course. And so they saw that they heard the dog and they knew the dog was barking. It was probably an alert more people. Right. And Angelou later said he thought he saw a woman crouched next to the dog and they knew the dog was barking. It was probably an alert more people. And Angelo later said he thought he saw a woman

crouch next to the dog. So he got one of his ex-girlfriends who worked for like a phone company to trace the number of where she lived so that he could make that call. Wow. It's really wild. And the neighbor also said that she heard Lauren's scream, you'll never get away with this, so they dragged her off.

She finally did admit to them to this neighbor. She said she had been attacked and raped when she was younger. And she said she was literally paralyzed with fear watching this. And she said it just brought her to a place. She just didn't know how to react. And so I guess she was literally having asthma attacks while she was talking to her. She was literally breaking down.

Yeah, she was literally having panic attack. And she was able to say one had bushy hair, and she said the other one was taller and younger and had acne scars on his neck. That was Kenneth Bianchi. Good for her though, for being able to... I was gonna say, why didn't she call the police when she saw that but obviously like you don't know what it's like to go through that yeah and it's one of those things that like I wish she

called the police so you also like we don't know what that feels like I don't I've never been in that situation and then the other thing is at least they didn't like because they called her and we're like keep your fucking mouth shut yeah she didn't like she was intimidated. She could have not said anything. Good for her. But police did put like a police protective thing on her home, as they were worried. Now it's details like the electrocution marks

and the gassing of Christina Weckler that they kept out of the press. They were not going to put those little details in because they wanted someone that knew that shit first hand. Because if somebody's going to get interviewed or interrogated and is going to mention something about that, they're going to go, well, only you know that. And later Bianchi freely admits those things and solidifies the fact that he was the killer. Like he brings those things up in later interviews when they were never released to the public. Right.

And at this time, at the same time that all this is going on in California, there's another murderer that's going around. And he was called the trash bag murderer or the freeway murderer. And we're going to cover this case for sure because it's wild. But his name was Patrick Wayne Kerney. He would kidnap rape, murder, and dismember young men and boys, mostly young runaways and hitchhikers. And then he would scatter their body parts and trash bags all over Los Angeles on the sides of freeways. He would also, he was also a necrophiliac.

He killed at least 21 men and boys between the ages of five and 28. Five? So at this point, no one's feeling safe. Why, the golden stage? Boy, killer is operating at this time. Women, girls, couples, no one's safe. Right. In California at this point,

I can't imagine that. I can't imagine living there at that time. I literally can't imagine being in California at this point. You also have to wonder how many people like up and moved their families because you do hear all the time about people like up and moving if you're able to. Yeah, if you have the means to do it,

I probably would have. Yeah, right. I'd be like, we have to get the fuck out of here, but hopefully you'd have the means to do that. And imagine, I mean, up and moving it family is a lot of money and time and finding a new job, but it's like, what do you do? It's, what do you do?

Yeah, I have no idea. And then it's like, you know, you don It's, what do you do? Yeah, I have no idea what you do. And then it's like, you know, you don't want to give in to like fear, you want to live your life the way that you like plan to. Of course. You don't want to let these people, you know, chase you out of their home that you've had, but it's like, what do you, I cannot.

How do you send your kids to imagine? Like, how do you go out? I would, and like, there was no like, all like security systems back then. Like, there wasn't go out? I would, and like, there was no, like, all, like, security systems back then. Like, there wasn't fucking simply safe. Exactly. So it's like, you're really relying on, like, locking your doors. Locking your door.

I wonder if, like, dog adoption surged. Well, what did surge is, like, you know, mace. Oh, yeah. Self-defense classes were going crazy. Gun sales. Yeah. The locks were being, like, like like when Richard Ramirez was out there going crazy, same thing. Oh yeah. People just started going crazy trying to defend themselves.

Like locks and I have like people didn't lock their doors before this. Yeah. People were just buying locks finally or buying extra locks. Yeah. Just like really secure the place because I'd have like 85 locks on my house. Oh a bitch. There's like no crime where we are. Like, very, very, very, I have like a bitch has like 86,000, million fucking things. Exactly. True was like, we don't need more entry sensors.

I was like, we need 78. To answer, we's like, four knocks. All right, I'm like, yep, that's right. So Lauren Wagner became the eighth victim of the Hillside Stranglers. Together, they would do 10 that we know of that they were convicted of, but Kenny Bianchi later goes rogue and goes by himself and kills two more. So we will be covering the ninth victim, Kimberly

Martin, in the next part, and we will also cover the two victims that Kenny Bianchi did by himself. We're also going to talk about the trial and we'll talk about some of those weird things that happened after all of this. But I think this is where we will end it for today. Wow. Because I have nothing left in me for I need to walk away from this permanent because this is just believe one of the most horrific I knew they were bad. I didn't know they were this bad. I didn't know that they were this but I thought it was just

strangling. I didn't know that they literally hooked a young woman up to a fucking oven and put a bag over her head. I didn't know that the torture was so extensive. A lecture queued at somebody like. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't understand how your brain gets that, like how does the human brain compute those thoughts. I truly have no idea.

How do the neurons fire and come up with that? I really have no idea. And it's like Lauren Wagner, Christina Weckler, Jane King, Dolly Sepeta, Sonia Johnson, I mean, Lissa Castin, all of them deserved to live. I mean, they were all so alive and had so much happening and so much ahead of them. It just sucks. Like you read it and you're like and they were just going about their life. Like they had no idea that like to think that that's how you're Halfway through your day. Chris and Wackler was in her own apartment. Yeah, just like ending you just open the door and that's how your life

And you go through an unthinkable torture. Our babies think that they're going home to their parents after like hanging out together. Yeah. It's just like really it's it's just a lot to it is taken. But we will end it there. We are going to have part three, which will be coming this week, hang tight and that and trust me, these assholes get caught, so we'll at least have that to look forward to.

And, you know, Angela's dead, so we get to talk about that. I'm like in a state of just like, I don't know if you can see, I'm just like nodding at you right now, but I'm not here. And we'll get into the Veronica Compton of it all, the girl who decided that she was gonna kill

for Kenny Bianchi and try to make it look like he wasn't the guy. What a choice you'd done bit. So she's also in prison. So we'll talk about all of that because it really does, it gets interesting after, like it gets more like, yeah, I mean the trials, especially with pieces like this.

We get through this like really gnarly stuff. We can start talking about them getting what they deserve. Right. So, all right, well, we hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird. She doesn't ever end it any more than that. Yeah, this one is. It's not weird. Yeah, definitely don't. That's not even weird. It's like these guys. I hope I can still. Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to morbid, early, and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash

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