Morbid - Episode 259: The Hillside Stranglers Part 3

Episode Date: August 28, 2021

You’ve made it!! It’s the third and final episode on Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi, the Hillside Stranglers. In this part we’ll go over the murders of Kimberly Martin, Cindy Hudspeth, Karen Mandic and Diane Wilder. Luckily in this final part the jig is up and Kenny takes Angelo down with him. We also get a lot of guest appearances from characters such as Veronica Compton and some dude named Steve. The Hillside Stranglers by Darcy O'Brien Killing Cousins by OJ Modjeska The Big Book of Serial Killers by Jack Rosewood As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Get up to fourteen free meals—including free shipping!—when you use code morbid14 at HelloFresh.com/morbid14 Brooklinen: · Go to Brooklinen.com and use promo code MORBID to get $20 off, with a minimum purchase of $100 BetterHelp: Special offer for Morbid listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/MORBID Native: Stay fresh, stay clean with Native by going to NativeDeo.com/morbid, or use promo code morbid at checkout, and get 25% off your first order. Liquid IV: Grab your Liquid I.V. in bulk nationwide at Costco or you can get 25% off when you go to LIQUIDIV.COM and use code MORBID at checkout See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, weirdos! I'm Ash! I'm Elena! And this is morbid recording because I tried to say, I wear those. I'm a sh**. And she was like, no. I was like, no, you can't do that. And I was like, but I want you.

You can't vocal fry right off the bat. You know, who says? Me who says? I'm in charge of the hit the recording button. Yeah, unfortunately. Honestly, probably, fortunately for everyone else involved. I feel like it's going well so far. But yeah, hi, where does.

We're punchy. We are. We're punchy. We're here for part three of the Hillside Stranglers. This is a lot. I have way too much information, one might say, about these people. I have read two and a half books about these people. I never get to read a full book

for leisure, but I could not stop with this. So I was like, I need to know more. Someone else give me another version of these events. Like, come on, tell me all the things. Because every time you read another book, you get one little detail that you're like, oh, what's that about? That was it in the other book. You can go search it. It's so much fun. I love it so much. Reading.

Reading, you know? It's just fun. But yeah, so I think we're going to be wrapping this whole thing up here. And a nice neat little bow. Might, who knows, we're not there yet, might have a little, little offshoot of an episode that might come after this. I don't know. Who knows? We'll see.

We're all here, we're all here experimenting together. Okay. We're gonna figure it out. But yeah, we are in part three and I don't think like there's really any business to take care of right now because no one's really going anywhere. I think we should just get into it because I'm like, it's going to be a long one. I'm not like excited.

That's the wrong word to use, but like I'm intrigued. Yeah, you're intrigued because there's a lot that happens here. So yeah, we'll just get into it because this is going to be long and I don't want you all to be like, wow, this is a six hour episode. Yeah, no thing. And like 10 hours of it is just you guys talking. So here we are. So I think when we last

left you in part two, excuse me, we were talking, I'm like, where are we? We were talking about the murder of Lauren Wagner. Yes. Lauren was the one that was literally followed to her home and then abducted at 9 p.m. right outside of her home. Yeah, that one was really something. And then I felt so bad for the older woman who lived across the street. Yes, I was very sad. Either Bella or Bula, I think it might be Bula.

Stofur was the name of the neighbor that lived across the street. She was like in her late 50s, early 60s. She was very upset when Detective Grogan went to talk to her about it because she had seen the whole thing, but she was terrified because of her own experiences. She had like a full PTSD episode and was just paralyzed in fear. And I think that definitely she comes back a little bit. But Lauren Wagner also was the one that happened to have burned marks on her hands.

And it was because they were experimenting with electric Cuting their victims basically. I just like very crudely what yeah, and it was just like an idea that popped in the angelo Has had just like in the moment. They just like they were like, you know what? We've gotten away with a lot They did you know, I mean they literally gasped a victim That one was very, very rough. Yeah, I mean, all of these are terrible. All of these are terrible. All of these are terrible. All of these are terrible.

All of these are literally gasped to death. And not even to death, because they ended up having to do more after that. But she was gasped after she was injected with cleaning fluid, like Windex. So they were just trying things at this point. And with Lauren Wagner, they had stripped off the rubber part of an electrical cord and taped it to the palms of her hands, and then they plugged in the other side, and they did it like over and over just to see if it would work. Yeah, because didn't Kenneth B. Erbs, excuse me, Kenny, later say that it was like a very long ordeal. Yeah, he said this one. I mean, I think the Christina Weckler one was the one that he was like, that was over an hour that we had her sitting with the gas on, which is wild to me. I can't. But yeah, they're torturing women now.

Right. They're not that they haven't really been before, but now they're doing in different ways. So now, because they've been switching things up a little bit and they're trying to like, and they're also doing this just like throw off the investigators. They're playing a game here. Oh yeah. They're trying to see if they like kind of throw off their MO a little bit that maybe they won't tie them to them

or it'll just mess up the investigation in some way. What they don't realize is that they're leaving, they are leaving a calling card at every single one. It's that five point restraint that they're leaving, they are leaving a calling card. Right. Every single one. It's that five point restraint that they're seeing in every single person. The handcuffs on the wrists, their legs are, or their wrists, excuse me, their ankles are always bound. And there's always a ligature around the neck. And it's interesting that they, it's like in a weird, crazy way, they did think of a lot

of other things. Yeah. But it's like that one thing and thank God they didn't think of it. And I guess who knows, maybe they did and they just didn't care. Yeah, right. Because I think they think they're, I mean, they always do. And they think they're more clever than the police. Oh, yeah.

They think that they're going to be able to throw them off just by switching up a little bit. Right. And it's like, no, it's not how it works. But now Kenny and Angelo are looking for different ways to go about this because as they put later, they were just kind of like, you know, same old, same old according to them, which is horrific. So again, they know they want to kind of like fuck with the investigation.

So now they're thinking of ways, instead of moving the MO around, they're going to move the location around. The focus of the investigation has been around mainly Angelo's home and places around his home, because they're places that they know in Glendale and in that area. So they want to move the investigation to another place so that they're like, wait, is it them or is this a copycat or just gonna throw a wrench in there? So their new plan is they're gonna lure a sex worker from an agency this time, not going on the street

and picking someone up. And they had tried that once before, hadn't they? They had tried it before and they had had success with these things before. But this time they're gonna get a sex worker from an agency. They're going to lure her to a totally different place that is not Angelo's. Okay.

And then they're gonna act like it was a sting operation, use the badges and then handcuff her and then bring her back to Angelo's. Okay. So they're hoping that this will be traced back to, like whatever call they make is gonna be traced back to a place that has nothing to do with them. So it's just gonna lead them on a wild goose chase.

It really is. Fucked that they thought of so many things. It really is. So they just had to find the place. So they're like, where should we do this? Well, Kenny notices that there's an apartment on the ground floor of the building he's living in. These are like the Tamarind apartments, I think it's called. And this apartment is now for rent, but it's completely empty.

And again, on the ground floor, he's on the third floor. So he acts like he's interested in possibly renting it out, or for showing, or like telling one of his friends about it. So he gets somebody to, you know, bring him into the apartment to look at it. As he's leaving, he leaves the sliding glass door slightly open. Oh, yeah, and unlocked. So December 13th, can he called climax out-call services, which is the agency that he found in the paper?

And he ordered a visit from a sex worker. He made the call from the Hollywood Public Library. Okay. Like a phone booth right outside there. He said his name was Mike Ryan, which is similar to the name of the officer who handled his failed LAPD application. The officer's name was officer Mike Ryan. Oh wow. And he said people all the time it spelled R H I N E. He said people always think it's Ryan.

And I wonder if he said any thoughts, so to me. Probably in 100% all they all believe this was 100% a little like, dink, fuck to him. And so he said when he called, hi, this is my name is Mike Ryan, I would like a blonde wearing black underwear to go to the Tamer and Departments. So the way that they did it was this guy leaves a phone number is apparently how this worked. And then they find a girl. The girl calls him and they range the whole thing. Okay.

So he gives the phone number, girl calls back and it's to the pay phone and she says, I'll be there in a half an hour and her name is Donna. She was, now I've seen her as either 17 or 22 and I see it equally in every source so I and I cannot find. Unfortunately I cannot find tons of information about her. It sucks but it's so long ago and I think because she was, you know, unfortunately probably living outside of like where her family was and stuff, I don't know

if like a ton of people came forward to say a lot about her in life, which is... Okay, that's sad. Really sad. Because I like Doug. I was trying to find anything I could for an early red-to-and-half book. Yeah, I tried. I tried looking for us, but she was either 17 years old or 22. Her name was Kimberly Diane Martin. She went by Donna, especially during these calls.

She had actually joined the climax agency recently because she was so scared of the hillside stranglers. And she felt like it wasn't safe to do sex work on the street anymore. She thought the agency would be her safety now. Oh no. Isn't that horrific? Yes.

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So he just lit a couple of candles and she walked in and was like, okay. And so we kind of talked to her for a minute and then Angelo jumps out of nowhere. Oh. And out of the dark with his badge and then Kenny pulls out his and they're like, it's a bust. So she's like, what the fuck?

So this is when things though went really wrong for them. Now remember, this is Kenny's idea. This whole like, let's do it at a different place. And this is a department downstairs. And this will be so much fun. Let's make it fun. Well, Kenny doesn't do anything easy or smooth. And so they handcuffed her, and they're trying to drag her out

into the hallway to take her outside. Why? Because they're hoping that she will believe this roost of, you know, where cops, you're a sex worker, we're busting you, we're bringing you in and that she's just going to walk with them quietly and people are going to think they're just arresting. But at this point, people know that the Hellside Stranglers do that. Well, people, that wasn't like, they don't know the total details of the assumes. It was released that they believed they may be acting like police officers, but

it was by no means like they will handcuff you and pretend to take you in. It wasn't like for sure. None of that was let out. So people don't know this. They would just think they were police officers. That's how they were able to continue this for so long. Okay. So they handcuffed her and they drag her onto the hallway, but she fell because she was fighting. And so she's falling, her purse is like spewing out everywhere. The contents is going all over the hallway. And she's screaming for someone to help her. Literally being like, help me help me help me.

And she's in the department complex. She's just not feeling this. So they try to, they throw her back into the apartment, because they're like shit. And which cops wouldn't do. Exactly, and she fell and slammed her head on the floor. So now she's bleeding and handcuffed. She crawled into the hallway, halfway out,

before they could get to her, trying to grab the contents of her purse. That is all over the hallway. And once again, they have to struggle to get her in and then slam the door shut. Oh, that's so terrifying, because it's like she's almost away for a minute. Yes, and meanwhile, neighbors all came out of their apartment buildings

and are like, what the fuck is going on? Like, they were like, what the hell is that? And they're all talking to each other out there. They're all like, someone call the police. What is going on? Who's purses this? police. What is going on? Who's purses this? Like what's going on?

Like who's just screaming? While this is going on, they are right on the other side of the door with their hand over her mouth. And they are telling her not to speak. Angelo took his keys and dug them into her back and told her it was a knife. And if she screamed, he would just stab her.

Oh my God. So she stayed quiet and they waited. And she just had to sit there and listen to these people be like, what's going on? Is somebody need help? What's happening? She just had to sit there and listen to them. That's heartbreaking.

And finally, things got quiet. Somebody was like, I don't know what's going on. And I guess this apartment building later, when they talk to a lot of people, they're like, yeah, like people are assholes. Like we hear a lot of people, they're like, yeah, like, people are assholes. Like, we hear a lot of domestic disturbances and like, people kind of ignore it. This one just happened to be like really crazy.

Yeah, I've heard things in my apartment building before that I'm like, oh, it's like really unfortunate. And you like tuck your head out and you're like, yeah. And this was also in the 70s. So it's like even more like calm. Don't ask, like just go back in your apartment. Like not my business. Yeah, exactly. So everybody go back in your apartment. Not my business. Yeah, exactly.

So everybody went back in their apartment. And as soon as it was quiet, they took her out to the car and they took her out the back way this time. Which I'm like, why didn't she do that? I mean, I'm glad you're stupid, but why not? Yeah, right. She was apologizing at this point and telling them that she was like, I'm sorry, I yelled, I won't yell again.

And then she told them, I have a child at home. Please don't kill me. They didn't have a child at home, but those really smart of her to try. Yeah. They didn't care though. That's crazy. You would think at least that would speak to Kenny

who was, her wife still pregnant. Yeah. Or excuse me, his girlfriend still pregnant at that point. Yep. You would think that would speak to you. No. I mean, I know Angela was like all kind of fucked up. Yeah, Angela wasn't gonna shit. He has like 18 kids and he doesn that point. Yep. You would think that would speak to you. No. I mean, I know Angelo's like all kinds of fucked up. Yeah, Angelo doesn't give a shit.

He has like 18 kids and he doesn't care. Wow. Yeah, they just don't care. And they did the same thing with her that they did with the other ones. They brought her back to Angelo's. They duct taped her eyes and her hands. They duct taped her mouth. She was sexually assaulted and she was murdered.

And while this was all happening, Kenny looked through her purse and found an Italian, like a gold Italian horn necklace and stole it because he thought Kelly would like it. Wow. Wow. Yep. How did she left him though? Because he punched her in the face. Yeah.

Because he was trying to get her back with her. They're still trying to like, it's on and off. They're just messy. It's so funny because she never wants to marry him. Right. But like, he still is trying. And she's like, I literally don't want to marry you. Like, I don't think you're going to be to tell you.

Like, I don't understand. But so he's still trying apparently. Well, good for her though, just being like, yeah, like, yeah, I'm having her kid, but like, fuck off. But like, you need to go away. Yeah, like, get your life together. So Kimberly Diane Martin was found the next day. Now, some sources I found said she had burn marks on her palms as well, but the majority that I found said she didn't. So maybe people get it and I couldn't get like the actual lotopsy report

or anything. So I don't think she had burns, but I mean, I can't say for sure. It doesn't sound like they would have had a lot of time to do that. Yeah, it doesn't seem like they were really dragging this one out further. No. They had laid her nude and spread eagle on a steep hill off of Alvarado Street. And it was also very close to and within sight of City Hall. Whoa. And the papers were all thinking she had been purposely placed facing or pointing to City Hall just as some kind of like fuck you

Oh, yeah, I bet apparently according to them it was an accident, but they thought it was a great accident I kind of died. I feel like I feel like they did it on purpose. I think so Now the night that she was abducted the climax out call service got nervous when she didn't return or tell them She was returning because that was the whole point of the agencies. Yes. They looked out for you. So they called a social worker, because they were like something's off here. They called a social worker named Dr. Lois Lee.

She actually founded this thing called Cat, which is California Association for Trollups. And it was a place where sex workers could go get legal advice or get counseling. Wow. Yeah, it's like sound pretty amazing. That's cool. So Dr. Lois used the number Kenny had given the service to trace it back to the phone booth at the Hollywood Public Library and then went to the address she saw given and saw that it was a vacant apartment. Mm-hmm.

So she right away went to the West Hollywood Sheriff's Department. It was like something's wrong. Well, they told her it hasn't even been 24 hours and then they basically told her she's a sex worker anyways, so why would we care? Wow, like they literally told her like sure you can come back But like I'm gonna be honest with you. We like don't give a shit. That is like she's probably fine Why are we even gonna waste this? It's crazy because we hear this all the time. Like we either hear like, oh she's a sex worker, whatever, or like, oh, especially you're on this time period.

Oh, she's a runaway. Yeah. But it's never less shocking to hear. No, it's always shocking. Because it's like, It's a person. Thankfully, you and I don't like think that way. But like you just, it's a person.

That's a human being that is somebody's daughter. And it's like, you're literally just saying, like there is a whole ass human that is missing. And it's weird and there's all these weird things. They used a phone booth to call the agency. That's weird. It traced back to a vacant apartment. Some weird shit is going on.

Oh, and there's that whole thing that there's multiple serial killers around the area. Right now. Do you think maybe you should give it like a second glance? That's like, I love the analogy that you made one time where it's like, because back then, the whole thing, it was like, oh, well, sex work is dangerous. Work, so what did you expect?

But then I remember the time that you were like race car driving is also like, yeah, should we just not, it's so if a race car driver, like gets in a crash, should we be like, oh, whatever. So that help them it's dangerous. You know what he was getting into? It's like the oh, whatever. So that help amidst dangerous. You knew what he was getting into. It's like the same exact thing.

No, it's like that. Like obviously very different jobs. But it's the same precedent. It's the same like why are we being so dismissive of one as a human being? Right. Like why does it make them less of a human being? I don't understand that.

I don't either. Kenny even went so far as to continue to try to get a job with the police department again. Guy, in the midst of this. My guy, in the midst of this. It's not gonna happen. No. Stop trying to make your police dream happen.

But you know, you say that though. December 16, three days after the murder of Kimberly Diane Martin, he actually went on a fucking ride along with some LAPD officers. I'm ahead out. Yeah, it's all the same. I just took my glasses off because I didn't even want to see this anymore. No, don't even want to see it. I just want to be blind for a minute. Hold on. I, that's, that's, she went three days after murdering someone. He went on a ride along

with LAPD officers. It's so confusing because I'm like, Kenny, why do you wanna be a police officer? Like, what's the reason? What is it that you wanna do? Yeah, it's power and authority. But for me, my brain is like being a police officer is to help people. No, like, according to...

Obviously, Kenny's different ways. Kenny's, he wanna power and authority. And to him, perfect way to get whoever I want to do whatever I want. And that's what he wants. Not the vibe though. Not supposed to be, but unfortunately, while he was on this ride along, he kept asking them, they testified to this later that he kept asking them to bring him to scenes of the hillside strangler bodies. asking them to bring him to scenes of the hillside strangler bodies. Yeah, like, like, more obvious. Those officers were like, uh, what?

And some of like, I guess one, they tried to find a couple of them, but they were like, I don't know where they are. Like, I wasn't on that scene. Yeah. Like, not all homicide detectives. Just trying to pull this guy over. We don't all just go to like homicide scenes all the time. So he was like, no, but like, how bold.

Yeah. To be sitting there and be like, I wanna see these. But that's, I feel like he like had these like weird things where he had to like say something. Oh no, he could. He loved this. Well, because even the whole thing of like at work you would be like, oh, oh, yeah.

Oh yeah, me. It wasn't even like he had to say something. No, he just loved this. He felt like a celebrity. Right. He just loved it. He wanted to be a star. That's what he was like, this is how I'm gonna do it. It's so weird to me. I'm like, but that's not for a good thing. No,

don't you want to be famous for something good? No. Can he Bianchi is a fucking bridge troll? He doesn't want that. I know. I just don't get it. He wanted to, first of all, he wanted to have police officers drive him to his own scenes. That alone is going to get him like, woo! Like rocks on. And then when he gets there, he wants to sit there and watch everyone's reactions and he wants to hear what everybody has to say and hear all the same. That would be exactly what he needs. He's disgusting. It's so weird. So Kenny, especially, like I said, is riding high on this anonymous celebrity status that he has.

But they were also not super psyched with how the abduction and murder of Kimberly Martin had gone down because it was pretty messy when you put it next to all the other ones. So now they're a little scared because they almost botched to that one. Like that was real close. And Angelo especially was pissed because he totally blamed Kenny because he said it was real close. And Angelo especially was pissed because he totally blamed Kenny. Because he said it was Kenny again. It was your plan.

That's why I went wrong. You're getting too bold. You're getting too high off this shit. Like he was like, you like this too much. Like it's just becoming something like Angelo. Which I love that it's like Angelo's acting like he's so like superior here. Right. He's like, you know what?

You're liking this too much. And it's like, you mother fucker. It's like, why do you do it? You, you experiment with torture on people. Like, what are you doing this for? You're trying to sit here and act like you're on a high horse get out of here. You're just as gross.

He's acting like he's like dexter or something. Yeah. He's like, ah, you know, like yeah, I'm gonna be doing this for the right reason. Just cause you're an introvert. Doesn't make you any better. I don't understand. I don't understand. Well, either know, like, yeah, I'd be doing this for the right reason. Just because you're an introvert doesn't make you any better. I don't understand. Well, either way, the police were talking to everyone in the apartment building now,

because obviously people had calls, things had been said. The agency had calls and been like, something is going on here, so they had to check it out. And they also talked to everybody at the Hollywood Public Library. And they took fingerprints from the phone booth that Kenny had used, and they did get fingerprints, but they didn't have anything to compare to. Right. So now his fingerprints are on file, which is like when you're reading it, you're like infuriated, because you're like, they're right there.

Right? Like you have them. You just can't do anything with them, and that makes me so bad for you. That's a- But they actually talked to Kenny when they came to the apartment building because he lived on the third floor. He's one of, that's how stupid he is.

Uh, yeah, correct. And he's like, his IQ is high, but his brain is low. I don't know if he does an appliance. No, he doesn't take the time to do something good. Right. With his brain or to like Just anything make up plan anything or like just like cover all bases on the plan. Yeah, he can't do it Which I'm glad he doesn't but he was the only resident of the third floor to say that he heard screams that night

Again the dumb right like this Again, the dumb. Like, to stand here anything, I'm on the third floor. Right. And everybody else on the third floor was like, I didn't hear anything. Or like, say you were grocery shopping at that time. Well, they thought this was strange. They were like, that's weird, but he's doing well. Nobody else did.

But they were like, yeah, okay, whatever. Bye. Okay. So, Kenny meanwhile was just getting more and more psyched about the media coverage. He could not stop reading about, oops, excuse me. He was like punching my microphone. I was like, he's reading about it. He could not stop reading about it.

He could not stop watching it on TV. He just wanted to talk about it all the time. He loved it. And he liked that people were terrified. He could feel the fear. He could feel it all around him. He could see the police officers staking out downtown on the strip. He could see it all and he was like, this is what I want. This is power. Right. So after Kimberly Martin was murdered, police had a ton of undercover officers

in Hollywood to like intermix with the sex workers. They're like undercover. Yeah. And they were like women men like you would never be able to tell. They even had the cooperation of the sex workers, they're like undercover. Yeah. And they were like, women men, like you would never be able to tell. They even had the cooperation of the sex workers and the people that were all working there, which is rare. And they were all working together. Right. They were gonna try to keep it safe. They wanna enab these guys.

The fucking media leaked it. And it was blown. Oh, that sucked. Totally blown. And it could have worked. It's like, what's the point of leaking that? You're just, you just wrote blown. Oh, that sucks. Totally blown. And it could have worked. It's like, what's the point of leaking that? You're just, you just wrote it without making that. The media is just dumb.

Like they, especially at this time, they just were, you know, it's like, that whole thing is a story of. Gang of stories, it leads, and it's like, so at this time, they were, Angelo and Kenny are starting to bicker. Their relationship is not, you know, this whole buddy buddy thing anymore.

The threads of their like weird ass, spontaneous relationship that was kind of like forced upon them were definitely unraveling at this point. Angelo especially, like the elder is starting to get really annoyed with Kenny. And the last abduction and murder was the thing that just like really set it off for them. So he's like, this is careless and it's your fault. That's the end. So because that one was so messy,

because they were getting on each other's nerves and because they were really close to getting caught, they agreed that they needed a like chill for a minute. Because after all, November had been fucking chaos. Yeah, it was like every four days. Literally, running less. Yeah, like raining to her. And in the interim, Kenny had gotten fired from his job because his boss found out that he was lying about having cancer. And so all the time he was taking off pretending to go to chemo was bullshit. He found it out and they were like, you're disgusting. Get out of here. I wonder how they found

that out. So he lost his apartment. Eventually his Cadillac got repossessed. And he started working at a nursing home. No, get out, get out there. That's the thing, though. He wasn't gross or horrible at work. Weird. He kept it together at work. Are you sure he was like, everybody who worked with him, everybody who worked with him said he was like, great, they couldn't understand that that was the same guy. That's real weird, which is so crazy that they can like dissociate like that. Like, well, he, so he, he was falling into a real shitty rut at this point. Like, he, everything's falling apart.

And again, they may be adamant about taking a break because they don't want to, like, end this quite yet. But the world around them was still in terror, even though they were taking a break and they're kinda just trying to get away from it. Well, because also other people are still dying and being killed by other serial killers. But the hillside stranglers still in everybody's mind. Everybody's still like, okay, it's taking

a little time away here, but when's he coming back? Like no one knows. And people know too that like, is like serial killers do take break. Exactly. It's like so they serial killers take a break, but the fear of them doesn't. So like I said about Kimberly Martin, she had joined the climax agency because she was so concerned about them. So sex workers were particularly taking extra precautions to make sure they didn't end up in the wrong car. And I found a newspaper article from December 20th of that year, in 78, or excuse me, 77, where they described the horror and fear that was gripping the area during this time.

It's from the New York Times, and it described how sex workers would work in groups, and they would make sure to study faces of any potential client who picked any of them up. Whenever they felt safe enough to allow their friend to go with any man, they would write down the license plate altogether. And at this time serial killer was not a term used. So the killer in this newspaper article was being referred to as a multiple murder, which is so funny to see now. It feels like such a cumbersome phrase. It does. Like multiple murder, which is so funny to see now. It is. It feels like such a cumbersome phrase. It does. Like multiple murder. You know, like a blah, blah, blah.

Sometimes we love alliteration and sometimes we don't. Sometimes we don't. That's not one. I just found that interesting though. But sporting goods stores said there was a huge rush in like guns, knives, self-defense classes were being filled up. It was mayhem. And in the same New York Times article, a sex worker they interviewed who went by Cheryl,

said, quote, we're all trying to have a good Christmas the same way anybody else is. The cops don't care about us. We've got to look after each other. A lot of us are taking license plate numbers. And someone who is near her during this conversation with the media said, we have to come out here with straight razors to protect ourselves.

We have to come out here with knives thenors to protect ourselves. We have to come out here with knives, then we get busted for having them. Yeah. And I was like, whoa, that sucks. It's just very telling. Now, Kenny and Angela spent a lot of time apart during the next month or so. Kenny attempted to spend more time with Kelly, his pregnant girlfriend, and pretend to not be like a monster demon with her. There was also an extended period of time

where it rained for a few days in California, like a lot of days. I think they had a drought at the time, so it was like a ton of rain came. So it didn't really present itself with an opportunity for them to do this again, because the weather was kind of cooperating with the rest of the world.

Now, a man named Ned York, who was an actor, actually confessed at this time. Yeah, in the beginning of February, he came out and said he was the whole side-strangler. Why? He wasn't not. He wasn't not. It was clear to Solerno and Grogan that he was making it up, and really,

he only would say what was released to the media, which was not a lot. And I talked about, in part two, how little was released to the media, which was not a lot. And I talked about, in part two, how little they released to the media. He was also just really kind of like talking about his own sick twisted fantasies and they thought he was just wanting to do that, like just kind of spin his own fantasies with the,

here's a cell for you sir. Yeah, and one main thing that told them he was not the guy was he was adamant that he used his own bare hands to strangle all of these. And they were like, well, we know that that's not the truth. Yeah. And he told detailed stories about it. What the fuck? And of course, they hadn't released the five point ligature calling card to the press. So he thought he was still in the truth. They only released. Yeah, they had only released that these women were strangled. They didn't say

by a ligature. So during the interrogation with him, he tried to light his own crotch on fire with a cigarette. So they were like, I don't think you're the guy. No, yeah. Did they, yeah. They put it out by throwing cold soda on it. Thank you. Just so you know.

It's just because I was like, I wanted to know what happened. I also didn't wanna ask. One of the detectives threw a coke on his crotch. I con it. Yeah, what a moment. What a moment. I can't imagine being there.

I'd be like, what have the world become? Like, what happens to when somebody does that? Like, it's like clear that like you're sick and you need help. Yeah. I don't know what happened with him. I didn't look further into New York, but finally, the same month in February, can he made a stop over at Angelo's after a long time.

Hey, buddy, how you doing? But he was basically there just to complain, like, wine. Kenny? He had lost his job, his car was repossessed, his pregnant girlfriend still wouldn't like marry him. She didn't even want to live with him at this point because remember, he'd punched her in the face. She still wasn't living with him again.

She was like, no, we can spend some time together, but we're not. And so he was living with her brother's friends. And it's clear that she was probably just like keeping him around to like, hopefully be in her child's life. She was basically trying to debate whether she should keep him around purely for the child. That was it. He was a loser, like a huge loser. And Angela was no better. He was doing the same old shit. He was sleeping with high school girls. And his son's girlfriends, all the while the hillside strangler task force is starting to like a little bit close in. Okay. Not totally, but the gun. They're working. And you know what they're doing the damn thing. They're deaf. It's not for lack of trying. Yeah.

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Let's go out and find someone to murder. It's been a while. Oh. So the rain is cleared. It's been long enough of a break. So they go out driving an Angela's car. Because remember, they don't have the Cadillac anymore. Yeah.

So in the middle of the day, literally at noon, middle of the day, stop by. Bright shining sun. Yeah. So in the middle of the day, literally at noon, middle of the day, stop by. Right shining sun. Stop. They're driving through Burbank in Angelo's ex-caliber car. I don't even know what that is. Fancy. That's when they spot a beautiful young blonde girl sitting at a bus stop. So they pull over and Kenny is driving. So Angelo just leans out of the window and says, hey, sweetie, you want to go to a party in Hollywood? Oh, God. And she says, no. So that has just showed me the Excalibur scene. That's a nice ass car. That's the other thing. You're going to take that car and act like you're being like, like, that's literally don't be so special. Don't be so special.

That's literally seriously like they're both the biggest idiots. And I'm glad they. Yeah, I saw somebody driving a transformer and he was the one that did that. Like a souped up purse. Like it's like, what are you doing? It's like, I don't even know how to describe this card. So she says no.

When he says, do you wanna go to a party in Hollywood? Yeah, that's a very random question. And he won't take no for an answer. He just keeps pushing. She's terrified. Like he's getting scary. She's a young girl. She's just sitting at a fucking bus stop.

And she's like, dude, no. And she keeps shaking her head, no. Like just being like, no, please drive away. So finally, he gets pissed and launches himself out of the car at her, grabs her by the arms and tries to literally, forcibly abduct her from the bus stop on Riverside Drive in Burbank at noon. Wow.

Luckily, an older woman pulled up behind them, jumped out of her car and grabbed this girl. She did not know this girl. Yeah. She screamed at Kenny and Angela, telling them to get the fuck away from her and leave this girl. She did not know this girl. Yeah. She screamed at Kenny and Angela, telling them to get the fuck away from her and leave her alone. She grabbed the girl away, telling her like, I'll help you, you're gonna be okay.

And she was like, get the fuck out of here. Like, I'm calling the police. And she was like, and then she's yelling for people around her like, call the police. They dove into the car, but before they did, Angela launched a threat directly at her for ruining their morning. Like, and he said something along the lines,

like, God will get you. Or something and she's like, yeah, no, I think it's the other way around, but yeah. So they both thought that was the end of that. They were like pissed and annoyed. It was fucked up. They thought that was the end of the young girl and the woman who saved her.

No, no, no, no. It wasn't. Her name was Jan Sims, the older woman. I don't know the name of the, we never found out the name of the young girl. Yeah. She didn't even find out the name of the young girl. But Jan Sims was a teacher who had made,

and she made sure the girl was okay. She comforted her. She sat in her car with her for like an hour, like till she calmed down. She got her on the bus. She like took care of her. She's like, I didn't even know her name. That's scary.

I would literally become like a Gora Fulbeck after that. I literally would never leave my house. But she then, so Jan Sims then went to the police and she described the car, which was very specific. Yeah. In the two men inside to the last minute details. She even mentioned Kenny's acne scars on his neck. And remember the

neighbor who saw Lauren Wagner be abducted mentioned the same exact detail about him. Yes. Acne stars on his neck. So this time she's a queen. Now this time so you're looking at this and you're going, oh my god, they're probably like there, there they are. We're at it again, back at Yep. And they're probably like, whoa, thank you, Jansims. No. So the brain trust at the North Hollywood Police Station thought this was a crazy lady and just dismissed her. Wow.

Yep. Wow. So there's this violent horrific rash of torture serial killerings of women in the area for months. And this officer dismissed this when there is a detail that matches with another witness. But they brought, like, it's like, did you forget?

Question mark, Blake. She actually wouldn't let it go. She kept calling the police station. Good. Over the next week saying she knew that she saw the car parked on East Colorado Street, which is where Angela lived. She was like, I know I've driven by it before.

That's a very specific car. I know it. Like, please go check it out. You'll find him on there. Kill the people who don't know it. They ignored her and they even threatened. They literally were like, stop calling. Don't call here again.

Don't call the police. Who the fuck am I going to call then? So now, Kenny and Angelo, meanwhile, are fuming. Kenny decided to try to maintain some sense of control and power? So he was like, I'm gonna go to the lot where they towed my Cadillac and I'm gonna demand that the manager give it back to me.

Usually he's like, yeah that'll work for sure. He also threatened to file police report on this manager because he said he had some really expensive scuba gear in that car and it was gone. So they obviously stole it. Yeah. He never scuba-dived. He never owned scuba gear in that car and it was gone. So they obviously stole it. Yeah. He never scuba-dived. He never owned scuba gear.

He just thought scuba gear made you cool. This is who we're dealing with. It's such a rape. This is who we're dealing with here. Like not even just like I had a really expensive camera in there because I'm a photographer. I had fucking scuba gear in there. And you stole it.

You know who scuba certified me? And you know who scuba certified gear you took mine. Like what? Like what? Oh, excuse me. Hualaketti Hualak. I just thought I think he never scuba dived. Like, were you trying to get free scuba gear?

I don't know. You know that he must have just like, like saw it in a magazine. Oh, like a commercial. He's like, you know what? Dudes that scuba are just the most. Get the ladies. They're the most.

I gotta be like them. Very white lotus. Yeah, he's ridiculous. It's, I can't. Like, we're dealing with a guy who lies about having scuba just because he thinks it makes him like manly and cool. Also, let's be real. He could never get scuba certified because it takes time. It does, and he doesn't have...

He doesn't have the patience to lie at the time. So add to that that he's like... I think we just need to add aggressively fraudulent scuba diver to his terrible traits. Oh, right. Simply, he fraud a rapist, a murderer, and a aggressively fraudulent Scoobah diver. Correct. That's what he is.

What a shit pile. You can say a lot of things about me. Yeah, you can't say I'm an aggressively fraudulent Scoobah diver. You can't say that. Wow. Well, luckily the manager told him to go fuck himself and he tucked his tail between his legs

and went back to Angelo's to bitch and moan again. I don't know why he keeps going. I don't think Angelo is like one of those comforting places of warmth when you need it. Like I wouldn't go who's going to Angelo's to be like, I need help. Can you make me feel better? Ketti.

Like, Ketti keeps going back to him. And Angelo's like, I fucking hate you. I wonder though in like a weird way if he like saw Kenny as like a father figure because he was Yeah, his father died. Oh, I think he look he definitely looked up to Kennedy Yeah, he thought Kennedy I'm a said Kenny and he thought you know, he's because right when he moved in there He saw he was getting the ladies. Yeah, he had a business. I mean he's driving around to fucking what's that? He's very clean and next caliber. mean, he's driving around to fucking, what's that scar? He's very clean. The next caliber. Yeah.

He's very clean. He's got, he's always dressed nice. Yeah. So like, gotta go on right now. And it's like, so. You know, they had sick, twisted fun together. Exactly. So I think he feels weirdly bonded with him,

but whoa. I also think that he knows that going to Angelou's house is going to lead to them, hopefully going out to him. Oh, for sure. And right now, he's pissed. Right, and he needs to get that out. So he's, he's open when he goes there, Angelou, instead is gonna lead to them hopefully going out to her. And right now, he's pissed. And he needs to get that out. So he's open when he goes there, Angelou,

instead of being like, yeah, let's talk about it, brother. He's gonna be like, all right, shut the fuck up. Let's just go do this and get your anger out. Yeah. Cause he knows that's how Kenny deals with things. Right. So when he gets there, Angelou happened to be talking to a young woman in his upholster shop.

She introduced herself as Sydney Hudsmith and She introduced herself as Sidney Hudsmith and a Cindy, excuse me, Sidney Hudsmith. She was 20 years old and she had worked at a nearby restaurant that Angelo used to frequent. She had actually waited on him a few times and he had given her his card from a shop because she had got a new car. So she said she needed a new floor mats made for her new car and she was like, Angelo's the guy. We got to have him do it. Right. So she said she needed a new floor mats made for her new car and she was like, Angela's the guy. We gotta have him do it. Right.

So Kenny walks in as they're talking. And Angela introduces them, they chat for a bit and then they excuse themselves for a minute, leaving Cindy in the shop and having Kenny come inside with them because he's like, oh, I just gotta get Kenny something. This is where they decided she was next. Oh no. That's also very messy. This is where they decided she was next. Oh, no. That's also very messy.

This is so messy. So to them, she was a lamb who like wandered right into the slaughter. They were like, this is perfect. She wandered right in here. It's just for us. She wandered right in here. They don't even have to leave. To this business to get something done.

Yeah, and parked her orange debts in right in front of our car. So in orange car, no matter what it is, you're like, that's distinct. Yeah. She was looking at the time, she was looking for a new job. So their plan was to have her come into Angelo's where he would say he had a list of people looking to hire for part-time work.

Right. And when she was in there, they would do it. Right. So it worked. She was very appreciative of this offer to give her some numbers for people looking to hire. And she thought since she had waited on him many times and chatted with him for so long that it was safe. Mm hmm. He was a regular at that diner. Like, why wouldn't that be safe? Right.

After all, they were in his shop that he owned. Right. You're not thinking that this is what? So it just, you wouldn't think it would be a dangerous situation. So especially because while he was gathering the cord and bag and tape and supplies out back, Kenny chatted with her like an old friend. Like, got to know her. They laughed. They talked about things like, didn't matter. They did a coin toss and she was the next victim.

Wow. This time they tied her to the bed because they were worried about any escape or issues because now they were paranoid. They had gone through enough unpredictability lately and Kenny was the one to do the final strangling. So on the same day that they botched the abduction of the girl at the bus stop,

they were able to find their next victim in Angela's own shop. This was all the same day. Oh, shit. I didn't realize that. Yep. And now remember, not only did she park her car in front of their shop, but she also had Angela's business card. Yeah.

That's the whole reason she's there. And she wasn't holding it somewhere. Right. Somewhere. It's probably in the Dezon. He found it. In the car. In the car. she's there. And she wasn't holding it. So it's somewhere. It's probably in the Datsun. He found it. In the car. In the car. Is like a Dezden confused S-car?

I know. It's not the same thing, but they look similar. So he found the business card in the Datsun and he tore it up and threw it away. So it wouldn't be connected. Goddamn. Then they put her nude body in the trunk of her own new car. Can he drove her car wearing medical gloves on?

And Angelo followed in his Mustang. Like buddy, you still have hair. Yeah. Now before he drove off, Kenny grabbed a fake beard he had with him and threw it on just for kicks. And at first when I read this, I was like, you're the dumbest. Like, what is wrong with you? It actually works in his favor. I mean, I guess it makes sense. Now they drove out out to a place called Angeles Crest where there were like hills and a cliff, like very scenic, where Kenny figured they could send her car over the side of the cliff with her inside. Yeah.

Wow. And they did. And it stopped halfway down and got stuck. So as you can see, they're trying to, they're trying to make it more theatrical, they're trying to make a bigger splash here. Now they've used an entire car and shoved it down a cliff with a body inside of it. It's a lot.

So they've done this, this horrific theatrical thing, which is also another risky thing that they've done. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot. Again, I think I just said that, but I was just like, it's still a lot. It's the most. So one week later, Kenny Sun is born. So what do you think they named their son Kenny?

Like Kenny Jr. You would think, no, they named his son Ryan. And yes, he's the same, he used the name Mike Ryan when he lowered Kimberly Martin to her violent death. Right. And he did make the connection. And he did think it was funny. And then he, so that's why he named his kid Ryan. Yeah. Because remember, he used the name Ryan because it was also the police officer that rejected his LAPD. But that's like a fuck you.

Why are you usually you name your child after somebody to honor them? No, that's just, that's how fuck he is. That's real. They claimed it was after a soap opera star, but he also said later that he made the connection between the two and he thought it was a funny connection. Which is just fucked up.

Yeah, that's just like not funny. That's your whole last child. Like that's your child who has that name forever. And Ryan is a great name. Yeah, well that's the thing I like the name Ryan. It's ridiculous. So by this time, Salerno and Grogan, the two detectives on the case,

were basically like bosses on this case. Like they've taken everything over because the task force has grown to over 100 officers. Things are getting lost in the shuffle. Information is not being transferred correctly. So, Grog and Insolano have kind of taken it upon themselves to just like take it over. They're like, let's do this.

So, unfortunately, you know, because other officers at this point, they're just not, as we've seen, they're not doing it. It's not happening. So, they're not doing it. Yeah happening So they would at least be the two that would always like meet together discuss the case move it forward and they actually started like coming up with the idea that you know what We don't only have to Keep information from the media. We kind of have to start holding information from the task force Right Right. Because they're leaking it at times. Like it's getting leaked out.

It's not helping it. So they just kind of kept it within themselves in like a few other offices. Like trusted. Yeah. And unfortunately, things were still leaking. And some of it was just flat out wrong. Like they were just coming out with like lies at this point.

Like one new station distributed a composite sketch of what they were calling the fugitive. But it wasn't made by police. of like lies at this point. Like one new station distributed a composite sketch of what they were calling the fugitive, but it wasn't made by police. It was just a drawing. Didn't have anything to do with the descriptions and nothing just a drawing of a man. That's good.

So then the entire city is looking for that man who doesn't exist. Right. Yeah, it was detrimental. So February 17th, Cindy Hudspeth's roommate reported her missing. In the same day, her nude body was spotted in the trunk of the car. It was spotted on the cliff by a helicopter that was tasked with flying over the area normally,

like every day routinely to look for fires because California and like other issues in the hills. Yeah. And cars tend to go over these hills sometimes like accidents. So they just actually was looking for cars and stuff. And they spotted the car and the body since the trunk had flown open. Right. Now Frank Salerno was one on the scene.

And he immediately knew it was the stranglers because of that five point ligature. So he was like, here we go again. Oh, no. Because they had had a break. Yeah. Now, her autopsy showed several wounds, but it was difficult to determine exactly, you know, was it from being shoved off a cliff in a trunk or was it from the ordeal she was going

through when she was alive? I make sure of both, obviously. It really was. So a lot of like the lacerations and bruises, they were like, I'm pretty sure this is just from the car accident. Yeah. Which I'm sure they wanted, you know, because now everybody's questioning. Right.

So Cindy Hudspeth was a hardworking, cautious and very kind girl, according to everyone who knew her. She wanted to get out of LA. She thought it was like 2k out, I can do crazy, especially with everything going on. Right. And she wanted to go to college somewhere else in California, like maybe, you know, Sonoma or like somewhere else. The recent strangler murders had her even more worried and even more ready to get out of the city.

And she was doing everything she could to stay safe. She, you know, took precautions. She worked days and some nights as a waitress at the Robin Hood Inn and Red Vesting Glendale. That's where she met. And Angela is so crazy that she was like trying to get her way out of there because she was so afraid of the Stanglers and she knew a Strangler. Yeah. And she had known him all along. Right. Yeah. And she had no idea. Everyone she worked with loved her, they said she was like a delight to work with. And she was requested by customers all the time

to be their waitress. Would you always know you're a good waitress when you have people like, you know, everybody knows that waitress that they go in. Oh, yeah. Oh, can I have like Suzy, you know? You know, like who was not that waitress? Her name rhymes with bash.

Yeah, it certainly does. Not once did I get a request that wasn't my grandparents. Wow. Not once. Wow. I was a very shitty waitress. I'm a little too scatterbrained for that. Yeah, you know, it just wasn't calling. It's okay. Yeah. Well, at night she was working at the Glendale Community College because she was an ambitious badass who worked two jobs to make sure she could buy that car and get herself the fuck out of LA. Yeah, she was an ambitious badass who worked two jobs to make sure she could buy that car and get herself the fuck out of LA. Yeah, she was doing it. She was also a dancer.

She loved dance, had medals, trophies to prove it. She was actually planning to add to her busy schedule by giving dance lessons as well. Wow. She had printed out business cards. She was like, this could be like a little side business. Yeah. But, and she just loved dance. And she was like, I just want to teach others to do it.

And it'll be extra cash. Why not? She was ready to go, but the hillside strangler murders had scared her into waiting. Because she said she didn't want to have strangers coming over, even for dance lessons. Because she was careful. This is what kills me. She had a lot of friends who loved her. She had a family who loved her. It just like makes me so angry. Like she did it, all these women did everything they were supposed to do, there was no avoiding it.

And that's what kills me. I'm like, there's no avoiding this. Like we can say all the things we want and you can take all the precautions you want, but sometimes bad things still happen. Yeah, it's like, it's just, it's unfortunately like the way of the world. It really sucks. And it should still take all the precautions. Of like, it's just, it's unfortunately like the way of the world. It really sucks.

And it should still take all the precautions. Of course. It's just when you hear someone like really take in the exercise, she like, man. Makes it worse. Yeah, that's just like, oh, now these idiots had made a mistake with this. When they had driven up the cliff, they had been spotted.

Now, woman named Janice Akers was on the Angela's crest road that evening and noticed two cars coming up really fast behind her. One was an orange red colored car. And when she went to turn, he had sped up and flew past her on the right. And the other car did after him. And why would you do that?

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You can't shave it and grow it and look different. Right. But it's still kind of threw a whole wrench in everything. Well, and again, also it's only been a month and it's like she's had a full beard. So it is a little, you know. So it does throw things off. Now among the thousands of tips and different professions offering their services to help solve these murders, you know, like psychiatrist, psychics, private

detectives are all trying to like get it on the action. One, this is just really interesting and I found it in the Darcy O'Brien book. One guy from Germany, who is a private investigator, wrote into the LAPD and said he would solve the crimes if they would just fly him out there. And they talked to him, but they were like humoring him a little bit. And they were like, yeah, we're not gonna fly him out because like what the fuck? Yeah.

Well, one day he just showed up, just showed up at the LAPD department and he spoke only German. So they were like, we don't know what you're saying, but there was one officer who was German and he was like, oh, I can translate. Oh shit. So he had the guy write down what he wanted to say.

I shit you not. This dude wrote, two Italians, brothers, aged about 35. Why did he know that? They sent him back to Germany and ignored him. What? Dude had it almost exactly right. Two Italians, brothers, their cousins,

and they had a very brother-like relationship. They're around the age, like honestly, 35 is like the perfect average between their age. I wonder what made him think that. He just was very gonna profile. He probably went off of, yeah, the profiling. But it's like, even, I mean,

think of all the information we know now, but he wasn't getting all of that. He was only getting what they were putting out there, which like we said, wasn't too much. And honestly, think of all the information we know now, but he wasn't getting all of that. He was only getting what they were putting out there, which like we said, wasn't too much. And honestly, most of the descriptions that they were putting out there were also where people thinking that they were Latin because they were saying they had dark hair.

They were like, they appeared Latin to me. Like a lot of people pointed that out. They were wrong. Yeah. But I could see why you could look at the mistake if it's like chaos and dark and whatever. Yeah. And he was managed to be like, no Italian. Yeah, but I could see why like you can take a stake if it's like chaos and dark and whatever. Yeah, but He's and he was managed to be like no Italian. It's two Italians who are not are related Wow like what that's crazy

I want to know more about that man's and I know I looked it up But I was like day-by it's wild. I mean, it's just some people like it's there's like a science behind it Oh, yeah now Kenny was kicked out of his roommate situation around this time. Of course he was. At this point, I'm just like, yep. Yep, you're like, yeah. When his scuba gear wasn't the next one.

Because he wasn't actually existing. They stole his scuba gear. He was a terrible roommate. He used their cars without asking. He would just like get in their car and drive away. They were like, he thought, I use that. Had a mother fucking roommate that just took my car one day. Yeah. You can catch his hands. And he was just like, didn can't use that. Had a mother fucking roommate that just took my car. Why didn't you?

You can catch his hands. And he was just like, didn't care about anything. He brought high school girls over to watch porn. Disgusting. What the fuck? They found a police badge in his shit. And since it was reported that the stranglers were maybe posing as police officers,

they were like, bye, you gotta go. So they were, they told a neighbor about the badge, but they didn't tell the police, which I was like, the 70 you gotta go. So they were, they told a neighbor about the badge, but they didn't tell the police, which I was like, the 70s, everybody. Like, come on. But then you think about it and like, being in that position, you're like, so I'm just gonna like call the police

and tell them that I found this. And like, a lot of people are calling the police and telling the things that they've heard. I'm gonna be honest though, if they were saying, like, if, if, in this situation, if I found a police badge and they were reporting that the hillside stranglers who looked like my roommate in most instances, you're using

a police badge and I knew he was not a police officer in any way, shape or form. I would call him like, this is just a little weird, just a little weird tip, but you do what you want. He's not living with me anymore. So it's cool. And then you know what they would say to you, don't call back here. Exactly. Like they said to that other woman. And you do what you want. He's not living with me anymore, so it's cool. And then you know what they would say to you? Don't call back here. Like they said to that other woman. And you know what though? I'd be like, okay.

I did my due diligence. I did what I needed to do. I got to know. I let them know they can go fuck off if I end up being right. I'm just devil's advocating, but I'm just saying. So apparently the neighbor did tell police. Good.

The neighbor was like, no, you had to wear with all. We should tell the police this. And Glendale police came to Kenny and asked him, like, why you got that? Do you own a police badge? And he goes, no. And they were like, okay. Good day, sir.

And they left. Right, exactly. Of course they did. Wow. Of course they did. He said no. And they said, okay. Cool, cool, cool.

I mean, it's a big word for it. All right. He probably could have been like, yeah. And they would have been like, like, I can't. Okay. I literally can't. I mean, it's a great word for it. All right. He probably could have been like, yeah, and they would have been like, like, I can't. Okay. I literally can't. I literally can't.

I'm done. So one high school girl that Kenny was like constantly involved with and hang out with, yeah, had told her mother that Kenny talked about the hillside stranglers all the time. And her mom was like, why are you hanging out with his men? Well, and her mom was like, wait, how old is he? And that's when she got upset.

And she started talking to the police and saying, my daughter is like being like groomed by this man. We loves a mom of air. Yeah, like fuck this. Because she was like, no. But and she's like, she's told me she's very strange. And the mom was like, I'm sure he's one of the stranglers. I know it.

Like, you need to go check him out. Mother's instant. She said she was like, go check him out. So they did. They did again. But when they did, they traced his address from his name and it led to his old apartment address. The one where Christina Weckler lived.

Oh, they made zero connection to this. Stop! Zero. Stop! They also didn't bat and I that in his records there would be proof that he was questioned about Kimberly Martin's abduction and murder at the Tamer and Departments. No. They barely talked to him. They were charmed with him and when he said how impressed he was with LAPD officers and how he had applied and he always wanted to be a police officer and just

the PD officers and how he had applied and he always wanted to be a police officer and just, m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m- But Kenny now, he's excited now. He's loving it. Think Sid he can do whatever the fuck he was in because he can at this moment. He excitedly tells Angelo. He's like, I have managed to get the cops off my ass three times now. And Angelo's like, that's not gonna have the force to.

Well, also Angelo's like, yeah, yeah. That's not cool because that means the police are onto you. That means they have your name three times and have spoken to you three times. That means that something's weird here and people are starting to question you. Right. So, Angela got so pissed that he pulled a gun on Kenny

and told him that he was gonna kill him. I'm surprised he didn't. So they spent some time apart. Why, though? They took a little time away from each other. And in 1970, so this was like, you know, at the end of 1977, in 1978, Kelly moved it, moved with their son Ryan to belling him Washington because that's where her parents, she was from there. Her parents lived there. She gave Kenny notice like she didn't just like up in the lead.

But she was like, I, I want to say she could have after all she could be here. With all this going on, I don't want to be in here with like an infant. I want him in like a stable place. So Kenny was like supposedly devastated and complained to Angelo all the time. And Angelo was just like, dude, just what then go move there. Because at this point, Angelo was like, dude, just what then go move there. Because at this point, Angela was like, cool. Get that fuck out of here. So he was like, no, no, no, no, like I have a life here.

And he's like, your son is there. If you want to be with your son, you have to go fucking live in Washington. That like stop complaining to me. And Kenny's like, well, Angela, let's talk about that. Exactly. And that's and I think Kenny's like, I think you just want me out of here. And Angela's like, yes, I do. Like get the fuck out. Also, imagine if he had gone to Washington and like stayed there,

like what, he might not have gotten caught. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, get ready. Let's talk. Get ready. I'm ready. So finally, he's, during this whole thing, he's like, yeah, yeah, like just go live with your son.

And that's what you want. Yeah, that's totally what I'm just trying to tell you to be a family man. That's what I want. And then he finally's like, all right, Kenny, you need to go to Washington, because if you don't, I'm gonna kill you. So those are your options.

Stay here, get got or go to Washington. So Kenny moved to Washington with Kelly and Ryan. Bitch. Yep. And I also just realized that their names are Kelly and Ryan. And it just made me think of the morning show Kelly and Ryan I don't know just like as I said them together for the first time. I thought you're gonna say it made you think of the office And I'm surprised that I thought of that and you did it. Wow. Wow. I don't even watch that show. I was just gonna say you don't even watch the office

Wow, that's not yeah. I like Kelly. I love Mindy Kaylee. Oh, I love her. I love the office But so yeah, he moved to Washington with them and he was like He was like, you know what? I'm this is gonna be my new life. I'm gonna be a family man I'm gonna make I'm gonna work hard. I'm gonna make some money. Just gonna stop murdering people Stop so at first he got a job at a hardware store as a security guard Abishon, but soon he got a job at Wattcom County Sheriff's Reserves. I don't wanna see a guy. I took my glasses off.

It's a lot. And he also was taking classes and policing and stuff that he's really boning up here. So now he is being tasked with checking security systems and houses and he was also stealing people, like stealing things from people's houses now. And part of the thing that he had to do too was like make sure the security systems were working in vacant vacation houses and like all that.

Now he was not happy with his life in Washington. It was not everything he thought it was not as exciting. It was an L.A. He wanted to be causing some pain in chaos and he wasn't able to do that. And he also was like missing in July because he, it's weird. It's got a weird attachment there. He does.

And he was cheating on Kelly, like having affairs. He was lying to her. He was just like weird and fucked up as he always was. And finally around Christmas, she was like, get out, you weirdo. Like, you gotta get out of the house, you're weird. So he got to, like, just weird. Just honestly, just get out. Like, there's a lot get out, you weirdo. You gotta get out of the house, you're weird. So he got to be like, just weird. Just honestly, just get out.

There's a lot going on with you. So he got pissed, but he begged for another chance. Just give me one more chance. And be like, what are we at? Where's the tally marks? And she was like, fine, whatever, but dude, I can't anymore. Like I have a newborn, like please, just go away. And so, but he was pissed.

Because he was like, this isn't working out. Like Washington isn't working out. Washington is like, fucking me over and I'm pissed. So now he's like, I'm gonna fuck up Washington. Like, I fucked up LA ready to fuck up Washington. Cause he's like, I'm bored, I'm angry, and now I'm gonna get some excitement. I didn't know this.

Mm-hmm. So, and he also had this weird thing that he was like Washington like took me from Angelo. No. Like it took our, our took our bond away. Angelo. And look, Angelo would flip laundry into the sun.

And Angelo's also the equivalent of a clipped toenail. Like he is so disgusting and worthless. What is happening? Angelo doesn't hate you because you live in Washington. Angela hates you because he hates you. Yeah, exactly. Like you moved to Washington because he hates you. Washington is not-

Uh, no. No, he had a perfect environment for what he wanted to do. Because again, like I said, he was in charge of security systems. And he's also in charge of checking on vacant vacation homes, empty homes. So he has a place.

So he decided he would lure women to an empty home and then rape and murder them. He was like, perfect, I'm going to do this myself. And that's really going along too with Kimberly Martin's murder, because that was his whole plan all along. So now it's almost like, well now it's like, and if I could have self-refused up way.

He wants to show that that plan was gonna work. Yeah, it was almost like a fuck you to Angela. Yeah, it wasn't his fault. He's gonna make it work by himself. Right. It was your fault. So on January 9th, 1979, he called someone he worked with at the hardware store before.

Her name was Karen Mandik and originally her roommate Diane answered the phone. So now he knows there's two women there. So he tells Karen he would pay her, but them both a hundred bucks. He's like, hundred bucks, can you come house at this vacation home for the night? And he's like, the thing is, like, we're putting a security system, having it installed in the place, but it's not till tomorrow. So for one night, it's going to be like empty and kind of open. So he said, like, you know, why don't you bring your roommate Diane? You guys stay for one night in this cool vacation house. I'll pay you

for it because you're taking your time and doing it. That's like the best setup ever if it's real. Exactly. And he was like, you know, just bring your roommate. You'll be fine. So they were like, that's a no-brainer. Yeah, awesome. So he set up the house. And he apparently, he wanted it all to happen in the basement, because he said that was like the best place for it. So he laid it out like Angelo used to. He put the cord down there, everything.

He met them outside the house and asked Karen to walk in with him to check the lights. And he told Diane, you stay out here, just make sure like the perimeter is fine. Like I don't want to walk in there with no lights and have nobody out here. Yeah, so she was like, I'll just say by the car. And inside he brought Karen down to the basement and immediately attacked her. And he put the cord right around her throat. He did it so aggressively that he cut through her neck with the cord. Oh my God. He strangled her to death in the basement. He then went and got Diane.

And as soon as she came in, he threw her down the stairs and strangled her to death as well. Whoa. He later admitted to raping them both. And he drove their bodies to Karen's or in Karen's car to a cul de sac. And he just and it was near school and he just left them in there. Sorry to be gross, but when he admitted to raping them, was that post mortem?

No, that's not like totally known. He because as we'll see later to during the trial and stuff, he condescends him, contradicts himself. He is very convoluted with what he goes back and forth. He said he did, he sexually assaulted them. I have no idea. But it was like a prayer post or if he did it. So the next day during his shift, checking a vacation home, he was arrested on charges of double homicide of Karen Mandik and Diane Wilder.

And how did they trace it to him? Because Karen had told her boyfriend about the house sitting job. So it just traced right back to him. Wow. Because Diane had written down his name and number when he had called originally and she had answered. Wow. So Kenny working alone doesn't work. Nope.

As we just found out, Angela is the mastermind because Kenny wants to be the mastermind. She told her boyfriend, Hey, Kenny Bianchi from the hardware store has a job now as a security professional. He wants me to go to this exact address. He wants me to do this, and I'm gonna do that. And he called Dan earlier, and she moved. And she moved. And she moved.

And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved.

And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And she moved. And. That makes me so sad. But there's Kenny. And when they searched his home, they found shit, tons of stolen things.

And they later found jewelry from the victims, particularly a turquoise ring that was stolen from Yolanda Washington, the first victim. And an Italian horn necklace stolen from Kimberly Martin. Right. So he also got Larsonyany charged on there too. Good. And the police in Bellingham talked to the LAPD since he had a previous California address. And Salerno was the one to hear his name and say, that's the fucking guy. Like immediately,

he was like, there he is. We've already talked to him three times. Right. What the fuck? Like that's him. He denied everything for now. Now they talk to Kelly, the mother of his child. And she confirmed that the only friend Kenny really had an LA or really ever was Angelo. He was below. So they looked into Angelo. And they saw that his address was at 703 East Colorado Street. And it was directly in the center

of almost all of the scene locations. Yep. Now, Grogan got surveillance immediately on Angelo because they couldn't just arrest him. They had nothing. Right. But they also released Bianchi's photo to the media. Oh, shit. And Jan Sims, who had saved that girl from the bus stop and had gone in there and they

were like, go away crazy lady. She called again. And she's like, remember me, bitches. That's him. Like that's him. No, she said, I bet you thought you saw the last of me. That's literally it. She was that meme. Yeah, she was. She was. And then David Woods, who had saved Becky Spears from a life of being like, pimped out by. Oh my gosh, I forgot about that.

Yes, from part one, I think. Yesed out by thearchy and the bones. Yes, from part one, I think. Yes. He told the media about his experience freeing Becky Spears from Bianchi and Bono's clutches. Oh, girl. Then they got Sabra Han and back from Phoenix and they interviewed Becky and Sabra at the police station

and they told them fucking everything about Angela. And there's fucking circle, bro. So Grogon and Slayer knows partner detective Pete Finnegan talked to Angela in his home and he let nothing out he was not gonna admit anything and he said obviously Bianchi was his cousin but he was like he's weird I don't really like him I don't know a lot about him yeah sure they're okay now in Washington Bianchi was facing the death penalty because Washington had the death penalty. Awesome.

If they got them on those two murders, they were going to be able to do it. So they were going to offer them a plea deal. They were like, if you talk about the hillside stranglings in Angelo, like we can do something for you. Yeah. At this point, it wasn't totally laid out. It will be later. Okay.

During a second interview with Angelo at his home, because they just kept showing up and being like, Hey, Angelo, you want to talk? That you thought you'd seen like f**ked of me? Literally. But now it's like, Grogon and Solano doing it. At one point, I think it was during the second interview at his home, Grogon lost his temper and literally had Angelo up by his collar and screamed

every little thing he did. Everything they knew. Like, was like, you fucker. Like, we're gonna get you. He named every victim because he was like, I know that you did this to Lauren Wagner. I know you did this to Christina Weckler. I know you did this.

Like, he laid out, I know the gas. I know the this. I know that that. And Angela wouldn't buy this word. And they said, though though that he looked fucking terrified for the first and only time. Wow. When that was happening, it was like,

it was just a shit. Oh shit, moment. Yeah, he scared the shit out of that little rat. I love that. That's like a, in the little things. Yeah, when they like lose it and Grogon said, obviously he's like, you shouldn't lose your tougher like that, it's not a screen.

But he said it was also kind of calculated because he was like, I knew that was the moment. If I was gonna lose it, that was the moment to do it. So he's like, it was calculated but not calculated. And in a line of work like that, I mean, you're bound to lose it a couple times in your career. Especially with people like this.

Yeah, like little fucking. Like you know that he's fine. Like it's all like Sab fine, this assholes. Like Sabra, Hanon, and Becky Spears told him everything. Teenage girls have just told them the horrific things that this man has done to them. Yeah, it would be hard, especially as a father of a teenage daughter, which he was.

Right. So they read him his rights to be arrested. And he said he was like, you know what? Because they were just like, we're gonna take you in. like to talk to you if you're not going to talk to us out here we'll take you in yeah so they're reading him his rights and he's like now I'll talk without a lawyer like you don't have to bring me in so they were like all right so he was like all right I went to the Tamer and Departments where Kenny lived a couple of times but he was like I didn't do anything like that and he kept saying that he was like oh he was like, I didn't do anything like that. And he kept saying that he was like,

oh, he was living with that fat bitch. Nice. And it's like, what? And they were like, what? And they were like, his pregnant girlfriend. And then he was like, yeah, whatever. And it's like, either way, you're a horror show, buddy. Like, I don't like either way.

Brosh, he's creating a huge human life. What the fuck is wrong with you? And if she wasn't like you That murderer like that's what oh that murdering asshole. He's a horror show He can he also confirmed the Mike Ryan name connection He denied having a badge himself, but said he did have handcuffs for different reasons But he threw them away because they broke and he said he can't swear to it, but Kenny may have had a badge. So now he's starting to throw him under the bus.

They showed him photos of each victim, like every single one with the name. And every time they would just bring, he would just look at Ingo, I saw her on TV. I saw her on TV. And he did say he thought Kenny could possibly be one of the Hillside Meters. Because he knows that.

Yeah, like what? They also talked to Angela's ex-wife Candy, who he like Mary Catherine, who he had like brutalized during their marriage. And she said she fully believed he would kill anyone, even his own child for going against him. She was like, oh, he has zero limits, like 100%. He could be it. Yeah. And she told them everything.

She mentioned how like the cow patch dump site, where Dolores and Sonia were put, was a place he often took the family for picnics. What the fuck? Everything started coming out. They talked to Arty Ford, the actor, who he had, like, was a roommate with, who said the story about the gas thing, how he wanted to leave the gas going, so Candy would light a cigarette and blow up. Right.

And then he didn't give a shit if his kids were in the house either. He also relayed, finally, the fact that Angelos said he raped his own step daughter and his son's terrible. Now, meanwhile, in Washington, they're setting up an appointment with Dr. Donald's T. Lund. He was the author of Murder and Madness, and he was also a professor at Stanford University. They want him to talk to Kenny.

Okay. Because Kenny now, remember, throughout his whole scam-filled career, he's always wanted something in psychology. He wanted to be a psychologist. Yeah. He did, he took a lot of books out. He would study himself. Yeah.

He did a lot of reading on psychology. They found shit tons of books in his possession about psychology. So bizarre to me. So, I think in his mind right then, he was like, I can get an insanity defense. I know what to do. Right.

For what to look for. And he probably did. In fact, he did a pretty good job up until a point. So two days before this meeting is set, Kenny's watching television, because you could watch television, no. And he saw a TV movie, Cible, which is about multiple personality in a criminal case. Yeah.

And he used this as inspiration. Oh, okay. And he decided he would play that he had multiple personality disorder to get the insanity defense. So, soon under hypnosis, he created a personality called Steve. Stop. Steve was the aggressive one. He was the one who murdered everybody.

Steve was so mean. Steve wanted to get rid of Kenny, all of that. And at one point, when asked if he had ever harmed an animal because they were trying to figure out, like, you know, are you a bed wetter? Did you get your fires? Did you harm animals?

Have you been dropped on your clothes? He was outraged that they asked him that. He went on and on about his love for animals, how he could have cat-wants in his car, and he felt awful for weeks. And he almost cried. He was like, oh my God, I can't imagine hurting an animal. Like, I love animals. How dare you ask me that. Then they looked in his file, and they saw that once he had killed a cat and left it on his neighbor's front porch as a Halloween prank. What the fuck? Yeah. So that was wrong.

Oh, I hate that stuff. Now, as Steve, remember, he gave them everything. He admitted to everything as Steve. He said he gave details, everything, but they couldn't arrest him. They couldn't arrest, or excuse me, they couldn't arrest Angelo. Because as Steve, Kenny's like, yeah, we did all this, Angelo did this with me. Angelo did this.

I did this. Angelo did this. I did this. They already have Kenny obviously. They can't arrest Angelo because this is another personality that is telling a story. There's no proof. Right.

So he's literally sitting there being like, Angelo did this and they can't do anything about it. Shit. Which is like so frets that they need the proof. They need something that they can hold that they can get them on because they also didn't want to jump at this and fuck up the whole trial. So they had to get something concrete. Good. I'm glad that they didn't. Yeah. So they started talking to that neighbor, Bella Stofer. I think it's Bella or Bella. I don't know which one I'm

going to say about this. Across the street from Lauren Wagner's home again, and she was able to pick not only Kenny, but Angelo out of a photo lineup as the two men she saw that night. That'll do it. Now another expert was brought in to look at Kenny for this multiple personality thing. His name was Dr. Ralph Allison.

He was like an expert in that field. He did a couple of interviews and tests on Bianchi and he concluded that he was legally insane. Wow. So because he had, he like did all of these interviews with him as Steve. He put him under hypnosis. You know, he, he was like, no, he,

he's claiming he had a childhood friend and that's what Steve was. And now he's evolved into this terrible thing. But he initially was that, like there's so much in the two books I read that I'll link that you need to read because it's fascinating. But it's basically like,

the way they looked at it if it was real or not is like, you would have this childhood imaginary friend that was born out of trauma. And it was there to protect you. And it appeared when you needed it too. Yeah, mine was Luke Skywalker. Exactly.

Literally. But then when you have multiple personality disorder, that imaginary friend will transfer into a hostile entity that wants to do bad things and wants to take you over. Wow. And Bianchi knew this because he's read all his psychology books. He knows what this is. I've actually noticed how this works. So he's read that.

So he was able to do what needed to be done to make it seem like he was really a perfect case. Yeah. So Steve was saying something. I need to point out that yours was Nauti Martha. People need to know. Mine was Nauti Martha, my imaginary friend. She never turned hostile though. She always just helped me.

And I watched her in a hotel. And mine wasn't born out of trauma. It was literally like I was doing bad shit, and I needed to blame it on someone. So I blamed it on Nauti Martha. I just loved that. Nauti Martha. It's just Nauti Martha. It's like on it. Yeah. So this whole insanity thing was bullshit.

He was faking. It was very clear, but he was fooling the experts. Yeah. And he also was sending Kelly letters and recording himself literally talking in baby talk to his son Ryan. And he was saying how he like didn't want his son to not know who he was. So he was pulling like, like people didn't know like, I still don't know what he is because he's like, why has these weird facets of himself that he like latches onto? And they're not real,

but he really wants them to be real. Like he really wants to be this like doting dad. So he's pretending to be from prison. It's just really bizarre. I think he's just sick and like twisted. He is. He's a lot going on. So I don't think he has multiple personalities as well.

Don't worry, he didn't. So Solano got a hold of the videotapes of him under hypnosis as Steve, like they sent them to the LAPD so they could see what they were working with. Because they're also allowed to send their experts because they fit their work part of this investigation. Can I interrupt you for just a quick second? If he's under what's it called? Sorry, I just lost my no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Sorry, I just lost my nose. Hypnosis, I just lost my shirt. How does he know to be Steve?

Because, oh, that was the other part of it. So because he's read so much about this, he knows how to, he knows that there's something where it's like, if you don't wanna be hypnotized, you're not gonna be hypnotized. So when he was getting ready to go under hypnosis, he just wouldn't, he would just block it out. Okay.

Because if you don't want to be hypnotized, you can block yourself from being hypnotized. You have to be in like a state of mind to accept it. Okay. So he would just block it and pretend to be hypnotized, which they catch him in later. Got you. So, Solerno, no problem.

But Solerno got a hold of these tapes of the hypnosis and everything. And they were all like, he's bullshitting. Like this is very clearly bullshit. And in one of the sessionsnosis and everything. And they were all like, he's bullshitting. Like this is very clearly bullshit. And in one of the sessions, Dr. Allison asked about the other personality Steve's last name. He was like, what's your last name? And he like mumbled something, no one could hear.

So they just didn't press it further. Well, Soleno kept playing it, because he was like, he said something. And then he was like, so he kept playing it, kept playing it, and then he was like, what are you guys here? Because I hear something. And they were all listening to it, and they were like, walker, I hear walker.

Well, this was traced back to a scam Bianchi head pulled. He had set up a fake psychology office before leaving L.A. and he had tried to get someone who was actually educated in psychology to work for him. A man named Steve Walker. Why is he always just like, he's like trying to pull a fast one on all these people that quote, unquote did him wrong?

And this is the stupidest thing he could have done. He's used a real person's name as his alter ego. It proves that it's fuck, it's fake. But everything he does is this stupidest thing. So this man named Steve Walker had applied, and he used, he had used this to apply under his name for a copy of Steve Walker's diploma, and he had asked the school to give it to him without the name on it because he told them he had someone like a calligrapher that was going to write in the name because he wanted to display it in his office.

So he had obviously ridden his own name in there. That's the whole point. But they checked into it and it became clear that Steve Walker was a real person he had scammed and he was too stupid to come up with an imaginary name to use. Unreal. So there's Soleno, he said, Walker, you dumb asses, like he got caught for that.

Like what? And it's like, why got caught for that. Like, what? And it's like, why would you even answer in the first place? No, most imaginary friends do not have a fucking last name. Exactly. And why are you using a rent? Like, there's a million different names you could have chosen. Right.

So fucked. And also, he can't think fast like that. No, he can't. And it should be noted that multiple personality disorder was removed from the DSM at one point and was replaced with dissociative identity disorder. Gotcha. But back then, that's what it was called

and that's what they were. But those are two different things now. But those are two different things now. The other one, multiple personality disorder was removed. Oh. So the prosecution decides they're like, okay, so in LA they're like, we're setting our own doctor up there.

We're gonna catch that motherfucker. So they send Dr. Orn up to Washington to test this diagnosis of multiple personality disorder. Also, Alena is beaming. I'm so, I love this. I do, because this is always the best part. Where you're like, get got, get got, get got, get got. I love when they get fucked.

Like, no, it's amazing And I just love your face right now. I know I'm like sitting up. Oh my god right cuz I don't know what happened So I'm like yeah like yeah, like I'm like eager and Elena's like girl like excited girl You have like wait until he fucks her. She's raising the actual roof So excited fuck any Bianchi. He's still alive. I hope you can't listen but fuck you in the atmosphere I'm like I'm gonna be oh, that would be good. That would be really fucked up and awful. I do.

But access to computer sometimes. But like fuck you through the atmosphere. Yeah, fuck off. So he tested Bianchi with two tests. One was the double hallucination test. He put Bianchi under hypnosis, which he knew he was not going under hypnosis. And he asked Bianchi if he saw his attorney, whose name was Dean Brett sitting next to him.

And Dean Brett was not there. He was just asking him to see if he was hallucinating someone. And he was like, if you do see Dean Brett, will you greet him? Like shake his hand and greet him. So he's like, sure. And he looks over and he's like, Dean, hey! And he shakes the imaginary person's hand. He's making small talk with him. He's like, oh my God, hey! He's so cool to see you, like full conversation with no one. Now most people be like, oh my God,

that looks kind of insane. Right. Well, then the real Dean was told to walk in and Ken said, hey, how can Dean be in two places at once? And he stood and shook the real Dean's hand. He immediately failed. If he was really under hypnosis, he would have never even blinked at the idea

of a second Dean walking into it. Because he wouldn't have noticed him in the room. It would have been. Not even that. It just would have been a continuous hallucination. There's no break in the hallucination. You wouldn't go like, Oh, so that deans not real? That deans real?

Like your mind wouldn't think that way under hypnosis. You would just go, hey, there you are. So let's continue our conversation. Oh. But instead he was like, there's two deans, like you wouldn't see two deans. Oh.

So they didn't go that. You failed that test. So the second test, Dr. Orndru, an imaginary circle on the back of Bianchi's hand, well under hypnosis, and he told him, you're going to feel pressure or touch anywhere outside of that circle, but inside the circle, there will be nothing. It will be numb, you won't feel it. So he told him, say, yes, if you feel the touch outside the circle and say no for inside the circle. He fell for that because even I'm right Well, here's the thing Bianchi, however, said yes for outside the circle

But then he's thinking how you're thinking. Oh fuck I got nothing for the inside because you wouldn't feel it right right That's failing because if he was under hypnosis, he would have listened to the orders specifically and he would have said no for inside the circle. The whole point is you would have listened to the direct orders and followed them perfectly. You wouldn't have created your own rules. I've never been under hypnosis. Me neither. It was like fascinating to me.

That's really interesting. So obviously this doesn't prove that he doesn't have it. It proved that he is not he he's not under hypnosis That's not a thing hypnotized in turn pretty much shows that he's bullshitting Now Bianchi saw this he knew what was happening and he sees that he failed this Mm-hmm. So he's got to come up with something quick. So he's like, oh, I have another alter. He goes name is Billy so he failed this. So he's got to come up with something quick. So he's like, oh, I have another alter. He goes, his name is Billy. So then now like, did he know a Billy? Are we going to find out? I don't think we found the Billy yet because they just didn't care enough at this point.

They already knew that he worked up. Now, when he first appeared as Steve, he had like taken cigarettes at it because like Steve's badass, right? And she smokes cigarettes. She's in six. Not only that, but Steve ripped the filters off the cigarette before he was out. And when he came back as Ken, he was like, what did someone rip the filters off my cigarette? Like what? Like he acted very like, oh my god, who did that? And they were like Steve. And he was like, Steve, like actually, like what? But so he did that. And he was like, Steve, like actually, what? But so he did that. And he was like, oh my God, I can never smoke cigarettes without the filters.

That's such a Steve thing, obviously. So Steve, Steve vibes. Such Steve vibes. Five check. And then when Billy came and was like, hi, I'm Billy, I'm the third person here. Billy also took cigarettes out of his thing and ripped the filters off because

he didn't know that the LAPD had seen the videotapes of when he was Steve doing. So he was like, I can just treat these people too. So he was like, I'll just do the same thing because it worked the first time. Because I'm a lazy-ass mother fucker and I can't come up with one more different personality trouble. Literally like so Steve and Billy just do the exact same thing. Like, you could have done anything else. You could have, like, picked up a pen and, like, chewed the cap. Exactly. Like, you fucking idiot.

So they were, like, this is a pretty clear indication that he's been like, like, you was a lot real. So it all fell apart, like, further apart when it was discovered that he had also, before this, tried to scam a ton of different defenses for himself, before the insanity plea. He had tried to use women he had conned and charmed before to be his alibis or promised the money from a forthcoming book that is definitely coming when they find him innocent. In fact, Angie, the one who had left the used condom on her door knob, she wrote a fake alibi for him.

Wow. And then she broke down and confessed it was fake, like immediately. She was probably just terrified. I think she was scared and just like really brainwashed and but she confessed it was fake and like felt horrible. Well, and obviously to convince her that a book is coming, he's asked to convince her that he is

going to be found innocent. So if she doesn't help him, he's coming for her out. Yeah. So he also sent his own mother a fake letter. And she said that this letter was written by Karen's boyfriend. And it was Karen's boy, one of the two girls killed in Washington.

And it was that it was Karen's boyfriend confessing to the murders. What? And he said he asked his mother to bring down that letter to Washington and give it to police to get him out. Where would she have even found that? So she did. But she comes down and she confessed that it was fake. Like she brought it to them. It was like he did this. And then she was like, he's been a liar since the day he was born. Like she was like, I don't know what to do with this. So he was declared competent to stand trial because no longer was he legally insane, which I just think is the funniest chain of events

that he tried to pull. Like it's such. Yeah. It's so ridiculous. Stunson shows baby. Yeah. And he just fails. True's brother says that all so ridiculous.

So he was offered another plea deal. And it was if he admitted to the Washington murders and some of the Hillside Strangling murders at least and testify against Angelo Buono, he would get life in prison without the possibility of parole, but he would serve in California. Okay. Which was good for him because otherwise he was going to wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall-wall- foam that Angela used and they were like, oh shit, this is now we've been identified. So that was a huge piece of evidence. And he admitted to stealing Kimberly Martin's necklace because he just liked it.

And he even offered up an additional piece of evidence about Christina Weckler. He mentioned a mark on her neck and they said like, what mark on her neck? And he was like, oh, you didn't see that there's a needle mark on her neck. We put the needle in her neck as well. Oh, fun.

And they neither day or the autopsy saw that. The saw that. And so then they looked at the autopsy photos and they were like, you can see it. It's there. We just didn't see it because we weren't looking for it. Wonder if I got in trouble. I know. I was like, oh, that's not good.

It's kind of a big thing to miss. But he also revealed the gassing. And he described Angela's gas pipe and stove in detail. He said, didn't you see the mark on her neck where we pressed the pipe against her? And they were like, well, yeah, but like, what? And he was like, yeah, it was kind of like a bruise that was shaped like this.

And they were like, yep, that's exactly it. So they were like, well, you're really nailing yourself. Now, he said during this interview, and this is like so fucked up, he said, quote, I tried very hard to get a feel for what was going on. The reasons for everything taking place, basically the motivation or the emotions being felt. I've always felt great anger. I mean, a really intense horrifying,

just cut loose anger. So one is, was to get me, I don't know, just to get me. Second, there was a sexual arousal with having sex, knowing that the end product is going to be killing itself. Another is, this is terrible, and no disrespect to the girls, no witnesses. He said no disrespect to the girls that he murdered and raped and dumped. No disrespect to the girls, but there were no witnesses. That's why I did it. Like I didn't want witnesses. But no disrespect to them.

First of all, that doesn't even need to be said right there, because you clearly don't respect them. It also just doesn't fit in that statement. It's just weird. It's a weird aspect to them. But I had to kill them because I didn't want witnesses. But no disrespect. What? I feel like that's pretty disrespectful. I feel like your entire existence

is pretty disrespectful. Your whole operation is pretty disrespectful, man. Now, Angelo was finally arrested on October 22nd. Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh Number 22. So Bianchi had been brought into court in front of a judge as Bianchi and not as Steve or Billy and finally made the statement that Angela Boano was his accomplice. And they were able to take that along with all the other evidence now. Jesus. Now, when they found Angela's wallet when they picked him up, he had said, I don't have a police badge. I have never had one. Remember he had said, I don't have a police badge.

I have never had one. Remember, he said, I have handcuffs, but it's for other things. But I've never had that. When they found his wallet, there was a place in it where nothing was there, but there was a perfect outline of a badge and pinholes where it had clearly been stuck. You mother fucking dumbass. And it was literally the perfect piece of evidence because he denied it.

Why would he deny it? Right. Now, he confessed to, well, he was in jail to another prisoner while waiting trial, but then he denied it later. But the language he used was specific to Angela's way of speaking, because he had like very specific things he would say all the time.

And this guy was like, he literally said this and it's exactly what he was about. Now guy was like, he literally said this. And they were like, that's on his phone. Right. Now June, 1980, Ken gets a letter. Because he's waiting, he's waiting in jail, waiting to testify against Angelo. His picture's been everywhere. This has been all over the news.

So he's getting letters, of course, from these idiots who are like, oh my God, I love you. Like you. No, I will never fucking understand that. And he gets a letter from 24-year-olds Veronica Compton, who is a writer. Now, you can't see me, but my fingers are doing air bunnies over writer. She wrote Ken this quote, Ken, you don't know me, but I would like to visit you. My name is Verlin. That's her pen name.

Verlin is her pen name. Her male name is definitely a woman, isn't it? I am a playwright and I'm currently writing a fictional play entitled The Mutilated Cutter. The story is about a female mass murderer, Veronica Lynn Compton. And she also asked if you would help her make the character more believable. She wanted to like pick his brain. She was also an aspiring actress and a cook. And she had dark hair.

She was like beautiful, like very pretty. And according to Darcy O'Brien's book, she said, quote, the heroine, and this is a quote from his book, the heroine she planned to play for herself, would strangle a female victim, and then traumatize the corpses vagina with a specifically designed hollow dildo, through which Siemen previously collected for the purpose would be put, thereby foiling and thwarting the failed dominated

oppressive forces of society and law, that was what her play was. That sounds like it'll be a great, a great play. But many people will definitely come up for that. For sure. Oh, fuck yourself. So they began writing each other, and it was like, immediately, it was very sexually charged

and like, very intense, and she was in, like, it was very sexually charged and very intense. And she was falling in love with him. And he was just like, how can I use you? Yeah. Eventually, they had all these visits and they would get weird. And one of the messages that she sent him, I just have to read to you because it's so wild, she sent, I let her to him and it said, my dearest, what a wonderful, sex-filled night I had.

It was so exciting, and the man was so mysterious, took a long, hot bath at my house, and he looked so tempting as the steam rolled off his body. You will never guess who it is. All night he stayed here with me. I can't tell you how magnificent it was. It was simply outrageous. You know him well. In fact, you know him very, very well. Do you want to guess? Forget it. You can't in a thousand years. You know why? I will tell you.

Because my lover was here in spirit, not in body. It was a dream, my precious. A dream about you. Do you realize it's only 51 and a half hours until we see each other? Did I excite you with the curiosity in the beginning of the letter? I have to go. I have to go. There's other places I need to be. There's every other place I have to be. I actually have an Uber, a Winning Me, upside-down for anything else.

They had many visits and they also realized that they shared a love for Necrophilia. So that's fun. So he was like, how can I use this crazy person? And by the way, I am doing a full-ass other episode about Veronica Compton and the other serial killer that she attached herself to, because one that other serial killer is wild, and I've never heard of him. Okay. And two, her story with this stuff is just so insane. It needs another.

Can we do that next? We need to. I feel. Okay, awesome. So, she told him she wanted to murder someone. She was like, I want to murder a woman. Let me do that for you. And she told him great.

She was like, you know what? Like let's make this work for me. Yeah. So he was like, hey, why don't you go to Bellingham, Washington and kill a woman and then leave Seaman in that woman to free him so that they would think that the wrong guy was in jail. Like kill her in a way that will look like the hillside strangler.

Also. And then leave Siemens so they're like, whoa, you already confessed to everything. Yeah. And can like said, Angela did it and they have a bunch of evidence. Oh, yeah, but he just, he just pulls that back all the time. He'll just be like, oh, no.

Nope, don't remember that at all, actually. Thank you. Okay. It doesn't work out for him well in the end, though. Yeah. So because remember, his plea deal is based on if he admits to all this and also if he truthfully testifies against Angelo Buono, which he fails at. Oh, so they also worked out

alibis with her for each of the hillside strangler days. So that angel, so he was gonna be with her for all those days, so Angelo would have to take the fall for all of them. So he knew that he and Angelo, which is strange, they were both non-secreters, which he even over before. Yeah, he knew that because I think they had been like tested somehow. And I don't know if it had come off in,

like I'm sure it was probably leaked at some point in the media, in the media maybe. Yeah. So what he did was he masturbated into the finger of a rubber glove, sealed the top with gum and tied it with a string that he got from a rosary which he stripped the beads off of wow. And then he then shoved it into a poetry book and gave it to her on a visit. So next time she was going to find a young girl that fit the bill of the hillside strangler victims, she could insert that seamen into this girl. It would come out as non-secretar seamen, which is only 20% of the population. And as the hillside strangler happens to be both of them.

Isn't that crazy only 20% of the population, and it's such a of these fuckers? Exactly, so he's like, do that, put the seamen in the scene, and then leave her in a car exactly like Karen and Diane. Boom, they're gonna think they're the wrong guy, which he's stupid to even think this is the work, but. The Golden State Killer and Oncicreeder. I think he was, actually.

I think he was, yeah, that's interesting. California, that's interesting. California, that's weird. September 16, 1980, at the coconut grove bar in Bellingham, Veronica went in with a blonde wig. She was brunette. And a fake pregnant belly, because she figured it would be less threatening, and it would make people trust her.

So she was hopped up on cocaine as well. And she met a woman, and they went back to the motel, which was the Shangri-La motel. Now she got this woman back to the motel because she had said she was pregnant and abandoned. Like she was like crying and like this woman was like, I feel so bad. So she prayed on somebody's car.

Yeah, so she was like, you know what? I'll absolutely come and like just chat with you and like make you feel better. Well, she went to the bathroom and then she snuck up behind her and tried to strangle her with a cord. Well, this girl fought back and ran the fuck out of there, like got out.

Yeah. So that's no good for her. Now the woman went right to police. And meanwhile Veronica had called the police herself pretending to be the real strangler, like using a voice and shit and being like, ha ha ha, you have the wrong man.

Oh my God. And they, she will fuck up. Yes. And they knew she had visited him all the time, so she was pretty easy to suspect. Like, they knew it was her. The cocaine will get you every time. And she was arrested.

And Bianchi dropped her like a hot potato because she was no longer useful to him. And again, I'm covering her next because we got to get into like the real real with her, but I don't have time for that right now. Ain't nobody got time for that. We got to focus on Bianchi and Buono here, but like, we're going there. Next episode is so important.

Because I need it now. So Bianchi decided to change his story again because this is what he's doing, because that didn't work. I love that he also thinks this is gonna make him doing because that didn't work. I know. And he also thinks this is going to make him remain credible. Oh, yeah, you can just keep changing up. It's like, sir.

And now he's blaming Angelo for everything. He doesn't remember one damn thing he did. That's not okay. You're family. Yeah, you're familiar. You're familiar. So Angelo's trial was bonkers. It was throughout 1982.

There were trips to the dump sites. They took like, yeah, in multiple witnesses that were supposed to help the defense, but actually made the worse for them, which is funny. Sobra Hanon was brought back, and she was psyched to send them to prison. Like she was like, fuck yeah, talk about, fuck in. Oh, she couldn't revenge.

She was working as a dental hygienist at the time. She was married in Living in Phoenix, which I was like, get it. She's also beautiful. Oh, she's stunning. I saw her photo of her and I was like, stunning. Wow. Becky Spears was, she came on the stand as well. She was very affected and was clearly still suffering from the ordeal that she had been through.

But she testified. And also, a woman named Cheryl Burke also testified because she happened to be in the Hollywood Public Library the evening that Kimberly Martin was killed. While Kenny was on the phone trying to arrange the meeting, Kenny, or excuse me, Angelo had gone into the library while he was on the phone and was intentionally stalking and leering at this woman in the stacks for fun. Oh, yeah. And she scared her so much that she remembered him like perfectly.

Wow. And the woman was Cheryl Burke and she was able to identify him and she was like, he's a predator. Like that was predatory, what he did to me that night. Yeah. She was like, I didn't even wanna go back to the library after it. So he thought he was having fun.

How do you make the library unsafe for someone? And it's fucked over himself. Catherine Laurie also testified about her near encounter with them. The Peter Laurie's daughter. Yep. Also for Angela's birthday in October, this is wild. He had a defense attorney that was a woman. And they did that to to appeal to the jury. Of course, there's a woman defending him. I could never lie. And they did that to appeal to the jury. Of course. There's a woman defending him. I could never lie.

Her name was Catherine Maider. And she was like real fucked in my opinion. She was like way too attached. Like she seemed like she was like charmed by him. Oh, okay. So for his birthday. She wanted to have a birthday cake delivered to him. She had it delivered to him the first year he was in prison.

And the second time they were like, oh no, and they were like, how do I know you're not gonna put like a shiv in there? Right. Like you can't just like send him a fucking like what? No. And share a response with something along the lines of like, aw, he's gonna have to celebrate his birthday without a cake, that's a shame.

And I guess someone nearby was like, well look at it this way, 10 women have to like, we'll never celebrate their birthdays again. Like does that make you feel better? Like at least she can get fucking twinkies from the commissary. Does that help you sleep at night?

I suck my dick lady. Lady? Like are you fucking kidding me? We're supposed to feel bad for this guy. Like what? After Sobberhannon and Becky Spears got up there and said what he did to them. And she's like, he needs cake.

He doesn't get cake though. Me. Like fuck right off. I hope you never get cake again. Right? In her closing argument, she said she started it with, there is a core of goodness in Mr. Bono. Is there?

Yeah, a core of humanity. So during certain arguments also, that like the other side was making, she would laugh, out loud. She would make gestures. And at one point, she was laugh, out loud, she would make gestures, and at one point she was filing and clipping her nails while they were talking. Until the judge had to like yell at her.

I was gonna say to the judge, say several times, she was almost kicked off. Wow. I wish she was. And at the time, the trials were the long, this trial was the longest in American history at the time, they took two full years. The jury took nine days deliberating and finally in October, on October 31, 1983. They came to the conclusion that Angelo Buono was guilty of all nine,

nine, not ten, counts of murder. He was not, proven guilty on Yolanda Washington's murder, the first one, they didn't have enough time to it. Oh, they tried to, they tried to have them go back and deliberate again, they just couldn't, what didn't you think that circumcantially? Like if he's convicted of nine other murders, he probably did that other first one. He got all nine.

He was given life without parole in Calapatria State Prison, which is in California. I think it's also really shitty for her family that they didn't do that. Yeah, well, that's what they were trying to do because they were like for the like come on like she deserves that. Yeah, but so the judge Ronald George, I love what he had to say because he was given life without the possibility of parole, not the death penalty, obviously. Mm-hmm. And what he said was, the ultimate justification for any punishment is that it is infaticed enunciation by the community of a crime, and there are some murders which demand the most infaticed enunciation of all, namely the death penalty. In view of the jury's mercy in this

verdict, I am, of course, without authority to impose any greater punishment. However, I would not have the slightest reluctance to impose the death penalty in this case were within my power to do so. If ever there was a case where the death penalty is appropriate, this is that case. Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bionghis slowly squeezed out of their victims their last breath of air and their promise of a future life, and all for what? The momentary sadistic thrill of enjoying a brief perverted sexual satisfaction and the venting of their hatred for women.

And ironically, although these two defendants utilized almost every form of legalized execution against their victims, the defendants have escaped any form of capital punishment. Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi subjected various of their murder victims to the administration of lethal gas, electrocution, strangulation by roath, rope, and lethal hypodermic injection. Yet the two defendants are destined

to spend their lives in prison, housed, fed, and closed at taxpayer expense, better cared for than some of the destitute law abiding members of our community. Yeah, go on. Which like, whoa, and when he puts it like that, when he says ironically, they used administration of lethal gas, electrocution, strangulation by rope, and hypodermic injection, all forms of capital punishment.

Yeah. But they are not receiving it themselves. Yeah, that's wonderful. Again, my death penalty stance is like a blurry area. Yeah, me too. I don't lean, and I lean honestly, recently, I think, by doing this podcast weirdly in the research, I've done, I lean more towards against.

Mm-hmm. But that is a brilliant argument. It is. It's a brilliant argument. I really is. Perfectly in the middle every single time. I do lean, I'm still in the gray area, but I'm starting to tell.

Well, because there are cases where exactly. Exactly. That's why I'm like, it's a whole nother show. It is, that's a whole nother show, but it is funny that like by doing this podcast, my stance seems to have evolved, which is fun, I guess. That's a good nother show, but it is funny that by doing this podcast, my stance seems to have evolved, which is fun. I guess that's a good thing that I'm well, it's because you're educating yourself on the subject matter. Yeah, I hope that more people will think it through, you know, like regardless of what side you stand up.

Right. So, he said at the end of this, I am sure Mr. Buono, Mr. Bianchi, that you will probably only get your thrills, we're living over and over again, the torturing and murdering of your victims, being incapable as I believe you to be of ever feeling any remorse. So he was just like, fuck off. Now after this, Saba Hanan, especially called and thanked police and lawyers who made this all possible, she was like, I can't thank you enough. She said I can finally move on with my life and like, yeah, because he's gone. He'll be in prison.

That's all I want. Yeah, because she probably looked over her shoulder for so long. Exactly. Angelo Buono died of a heart attack in prison after only serving 19 years. Apparently, he never left his cell the first year because not even to take a walk because he was so scared of being killed or beaten by inmates. Wow. And he was not a favorite. They should have made him take a walk. They should have forced him to walk.

But October 21st, 1983, Kenny, who again had been told that if he pled and testified truthfully against his cousin that he would spend his time in California, and specifically not in Walla Walla in Washington, because brutal, he was sent directly to Walla Walla for life without parole. He was like, because he did not abide by his plea deal. Washington will haunt him forever. He fucking, because he went on that stand and he did everything he could do to fuck with that, with his confession, with the narrative.

He lied. He turned things around. He would give contradictory statements. He fucked around. Fucked around. Yeah, you don't get your plea deal. Fuck around. A deal is a deal.

And he saw. They heard it. They didn't see it. Yeah. So he was sent to Washington and he was also sentenced to life in California for the Strangler murder, but he is spending in Washington. I love that. He's still there. He tried to legally change his name to Anthony Diomato and then Nicholas Fontana. Why though?

Because he knew that, because he's probably getting his ass kicked all the time, because he's a fucking, like, he killed in rape children. But it's like, and women. Do you not realize that, like, everybody will still know who you are? Well, he thinks who you are, people will come in and they won't know like he, like the older people will be like, that's who that is. Yeah, like he's also just, and he's still like, he's got married too, huh? Yep. So in 1986, he married Christine Kazuka, I believe it is, or no, excuse me, that's Bono.

Uh, in 1986, Angelo married again. He married Christine Kazuka, but in 1989, Bianchi married Shirley Book, which was a penpal. She also was interested. She was involved with Ted Bundy when he was behind bars. Oh. At one point, so that's just like her thing. Yeah, you know, everybody's got their thing.

He tried to get conjugal visits for them in 1990, but he was denied. You think that I was like, yeah, okay. Yeah, he was, yeah, exactly. He was also denied parole. Yeah, he was also denied parole on August 18th, 2009, in 2010. He is going to be eligible to at least apply for parole in 2025. He not again.

But it was one of the hillside stranglers. You will not do that. Interesting little thing just to end on. In 2007, Angela's grandson, Christopher Blono, shot his grandmother in the head who was Angela's second wife, Mary Castillo. Whoa. She lived, but he killed himself afterwards.

Whoa. Isn't that wild? Yeah. And again, we don't know if Kenny's the alphabet killer and I think he might be. So, yeah, I want to get into that soon. There was a pond print on one of the victims' necks that they were never able to identify

and it came back inconclusive as Kenny's. So, that's still there. Who knows? And so. Whoa. That's still there. Who knows? And that. Wow. That is even the abridged version of the Hill that strengthens. The four part abridged version.

That is me. Like, breviding it down to 30 pages. That's insane. That was a lot. But I really, really, really encourage you to read those books, the one killing cousins and the Hillside Stranglers. So by Darcy O'Brien, I'm going to link them again. I've linked them in everyone.

But go read them. They're fascinating. They have so many more transcripts. They have so much more insight into like the behind- scenes stuff and all the psychiatry stuff, more of the trial stuff, all this tons of Steve stuff, go read them because it's definitely worth it for this case because it is a wild one. It really was, I had no idea how many ins and outs there were.

I did either. I did not. I had no idea. I do not. I had no idea. I do now. So you do now. Thank you for that. You're welcome. I'm really glad that we're going somewhere haunted

this next week. Yeah. Yeah, I think we need to take a haunted detour. But I'll take you right back with Veronica. I was going to say, I need that next. We need it. That's going to say, I won't let you rest for a minute. Oh no!

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Billy does the same thing because really, you could just come up with another personality trait and just don't be as weird as Kenna Thuyonky or Angelo Bono or any of the defense attorneys or any of those people. The lady that wanted to send him a cake, I mean, don't be that. Don't be that. It's that they're vile, your nailsvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple

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