Morbid - Episode 261: The Sunset Strip Killers Part 1

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

Alaina brings us another 2 part series this week, this time we’re talking about the Sunset Strip Killers, Doug Clark and Carol Bundy. It’s always wild to us how two shockingly depraved people can find each other like this, and this case brings wild to a new level. Together Doug and Carol would kill sex workers. Carol is only suspected in two murders; many are convinced she helped with more. Great sources! Murder on the Sunset Strip by Kim Cresswell  Doug Clark and Carol Bundy by Nancy Veysey & Ryan Decker The Big Book of Serial Killers by Jack Rosewood As always thank you to our sponsors: BetterHelp: Visit betterhelp.com/Morbid and take care of number one with some online therapy, because you deserve to invest in your greatest asset – you. GoodRx:Start saving up to eighty percent on your prescriptions today. Go to GoodRX.com/morbid Noom: Sign up for your trial at Noom.com/MORBID Thrive Market: Go to Thrive Marke.com/MORBID  Join today to get $20 off your first order AND a FREE gift!  FirstLeaf: Join today and you’ll get 6 bottles of wine for $29.95 and free shipping! Just go to TRYFirstleaf.com/morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi! Exactly, as Alaska says. So we're going to be doing another two parter. And this one is connected to the hillside stranglers case like I told you. Told you so. Now we're going to be covering the sunset strip killers today. Doug Clark and Carol Bundy. And we're going to be talking about Veronica Compton, like I told everybody in Hillside Stranglers, but that's gonna be in part two. She comes in in the second half.

But we do mention the Hillside Stranglers in this one, so it's a nice little like, you surprised me, because I thought it was all just Veronica Compton, so now it's like a three for one. Oh, yeah, we're getting like full, full case here. Yeah, because this case is just too wild, not to completely cover. three for one. Oh yeah, we're getting like full, full case here. Yeah. Because this case is just too wild, not to completely cover. Like there's no way I could just mention it.

It'd be like, yeah, Doug Clark, like he's wild. Like it's just this is too much. We're going to make it exciting. But yeah, and we're going to mention the hillside stranglers again. So it feels like a nice full circle moment. They kind of, these two cases kind of hold hands a little bit. So I'm here for a while. Strange. Well, before we get into that, we've little bit. So I'm here for a while. Strange.

Well, before we get into that, we've lately been like, oh my gosh, there's no news. Like, where's there's no, like, what's happening? What's going on? Guys, there's news. Yeah. Did you hear about, and it happened on August 17th, that family that just was found dead

in the Sierra National Forest? That case is crazy to me. Like, they've had like autopsies done and everything, it shows no signs of trauma, it was a mom, a dad, a one year old baby, and their dog. I know. All of them were found dead on the hiking trails. And there's no signs of outward trauma?

No signs of outward trauma, no signs of inward trauma. The autopsies have come back and they're like, we're straight up stumped. There was an algae warning in the area, or like toxic, like toxic algae in the area. So I guess like, that's terrifying. I mean, that could do it, you know? Yeah, I mean, and we don't know,

I don't think we know enough about that stuff. So it's like, that could easily be hidden. Can you, can you imagine if it's toxic algae? I'm a sedalogy. Can you imagine if it's toxic allergy? I'm a sedalogy. Can you imagine if it's toxic allergies? Like toxic algae? No. No. Who thinks of that? Like you would never think of that.

Well that's the thing. And then one of the other creepy things was that they were found like near this area called devil gulch. Devil's gulch. Just devil gulch. Devil gulch. Yeah, which I was like, ooh, that just like adds to the creepiness of it all.

And obviously, that doesn't mean anything or anything like that. But it's just ominous as fuck. It's ominous because there's no, it doesn't seem like there's any apparent cause of death. No. All of them just dropped dead and then they're near devil gulch. Yeah, and from what you were reading to me earlier, they were super devoted to their one-year-old. They were loved being par.

It just like sounds like such a sad sad. They were like super well-liked. The followers were traveling everywhere. There was a traveling everywhere. They had like traveled a ton. Like they were experienced hikers. There was like very strange. See, I just, I can't algae.

Algae. I mean, if that's what it is. I was gonna say, if that's it. It's like, what else would it be? Yeah, because either way, it's like, do I want it to be toxic algae? No. But do I want it to be anything else?

I don't want it to be anything else either. I don't know. And that's just so sad like you think you're going out for, you know, we're in the middle of a pandemic family time. Trying to do something nice with your family, trying to get outdoors, and then you just net your entire family that ever comes home. No, that's why.

And I can't imagine they're extended family members to what they're going through right now. I'm dying to know if anything comes out of this. If there's any updates, I hope they get some kind of closure. They're continuing to investigate, yeah, with the area. But there were signs posted, I guess, that were don't let pets swim in the water, drink from the water.

We're like, eat the scum on the side of the... Eat the scum, yeah. Oh, don't let your dog eat the scum ever. Don't do it, but that's really sad. And hopefully we get an update, something else. But now we're gonna talk about something equally sad. All right. We're gonna talk about the sunset strip killers.

Okay. So I don't usually do a blanket trigger warning for an entire episode, but I feel like this one kind of deserves one. It just has a lot of little things that could really upset some people. So I just want to let you know that this episode has rape in it a lot of that. It also has mention of incest. It has mention of pedophilia. It's just an all-around tough one. This one, it has mention of pedophilia.

It's just an all around tough one. This one, it's dark from start to finish. So I just wanted to let you guys know, just so you're prepared. I don't know anything about them. This is another case where they, I think got caught up in the late 70s, early 80s in California, like serial killer Bonanza.

And so they just like got kind of ignored. Like I think the the hillside stranglers got noticed a little bit. But like Richard Ramirez really took the with all his antics. I think he took the cake. Yeah. So a lot of these got kind of pushed off and nobody read a lot of people don't know about them when, but like when you read into them, you're like, how though? Like, how do I not know about this? How do I not know about this? I have heard of them. I've read books about them and stuff.

So when I heard the name Doug Clark, I was like, wait, why does that sound so familiar? And then I realized he's part of this set of killers. And when it was connected to Veronica Compton in the hillside trailer case, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why are these worlds colliding? And she also really attached to two pretty similar, like two sets of serial killers.

She attached herself to one of each of them, which is weird. Yeah. But we'll get into Veronica on part two. Okay. So like I said, they're known as the Sunset Strip Killers, the Sunset Strip Murderers, and their names are Doug Clark and Carol Bundy,

no relation to Ted Bundy, although she had a big obsession with Ted Bundy. Okay. But that was a real name. Like, she didn't say what she was talking about. Yeah, she didn't change it. She was a real, it's a married name though. So she did, she did, she did keep it out. I wonder, I do wonder.

She, but I don't know, I found nothing that said that she did. She's like looking in the classifieds. She often, now, as we'll see in part two especially, she tried to claim that she was like a helpless victim in this whole thing. Oh yeah, always. Had nothing to do with anything. Just like her. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, she confesses, she testified against, you know, she was a part of the whole thing. But I just want to open this with a quote from her. From later so that you can have that in mind as we go through. I don't know if you guys have ever in your life shot anybody, but it's really fun to do. It sounds terrible, but it is.

Yeah, she sounds like she was really just helpless now. But she wasn't exactly just like, whoa is me. Now Doug Clark is a horrific monster of epic proportions. Oh, good. But she's right there with him. I mean, naturally. Yeah, clearly. So we're going to start with June 12, 1980 at 1.30 pm.

OK. Gemini season. There you go. The bodies of 16-year-old Cynthia Chandler and 15-year-old Gina Marano were found murdered on a highway ramp by a highway worker. This was in California, by the way, this happened. And this highway worker had just stumbled upon the bodies. He was doing cleanup. He was clearing some debris, just kind of like clearing up the area. It's like in the hillsides. Exactly.

It's a lot of similarities. And he found Gina face down in Cynthia was nearby her laying on the ground. Now at first glance, when police showed up, they were sure that at first they were like, oh my god, this is just like the hillside stranglers. Like dumped in the same way, both basically nude. I mean, it was, it looked the same. They were like, this is Angelo Bono and Kenneth Bianchi,

except the two of them had been in jail since January 1979, so a year earlier. So they were like, who the hell did this? This had just happened, obviously, within, I believe, 12 hours. Oh my God. And finding them. So they were like, okay, if this isn't them, who the fuck is this? I wonder if they thought it was some kind of like copycat thing.

So closer inspection, investigators saw that Cynthia Chandler was wearing a pink jumpsuit that had been pulled down and had a large intentional slit in the crotch area to expose her. There was blood spattered and soaking that jumpsuit. There was also a spot of what appeared to be motor oil that they really concentrated on in all of the reports about this.

We find out later that that does kind of connect. But Gina Marano had only a red tube top on and it had been pulled down to her waist. They were also half sisters. Oh my gosh. Who are extremely close. Yes. That's so sad.

Yep. Now, their autopsys showed that they have been dead for at least 12 hours. Gina Marano had two gunshot wounds to the head. Cynthia Chandler was shot twice, once in the head, and once to the chest. The chest wound was so close that there was a burn pattern around the entry wound. Meaning the gun was likely pressed against her chest when shot. Oh, shit. Yeah, I've never even, like, exactly. Now Gina's shots had gone direct

like out of her head they had exited but they were able to get the bullets from Cynthia Chandler's wounds and they were 25 calibre bullets for all of these wounds. There was no blood pooling or like scrapes on the bodies so that kind of showed that you know they were obviously killed elsewhere and put here because they weren't bleeding actively when they were on the bodies. So that kind of showed that, you know, they were obviously killed elsewhere and put here because they weren't bleeding actively when they were on the street, which is strange. Yeah. So Levitity on Cynthia Chandler also proved that she had clearly been lying somewhere else and brought there. Okay. So they did have definitive evidence that Cynthia Chandler was raped. Gina Morano, they weren't positive, but they were kind of just going off of the scene

and they were like, I think something happened here, but it's hard to tell. They were also very quick to say it's hard to tell if somebody was raped after death. So as we find out in this case, that is something that Doug Clark does. Strange because again, he was say it's strange. Exactly. And one de-esca.

At first they were Jane Does, only briefly though, because they had no identification on them at the time, but their parents were looking for them. They were runaways several times during their lives. It wasn't like they were getting out, because they were having a bad life or anything. They wanted to see what they wanted to get out into the world and have fun. So they would run away, get in kind of some trouble.

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they had been missing for a brief period of time, but their parents figured it was just another time when they ran away and would come back. Okay. You know, it's basically the 70s, it's 80. Well, it's like they probably know that they're not even gonna be able to call the police and say, hey, they ran away,

because they're just gonna say say they're not doing that. Yeah, and they had actually hitchhiked to LA together this time. Oh, okay. So, and this was when they they were hitchhiked until LA to start a new life together. So they were not coming back. They were not planning on coming back. So, police didn't have a ton of information about them yet, but once the families were contacted, you know, they talked to Gina's father,

he was like so distraught. He was the one who came to identify them. They were able to identify them. And Gina's father said they hadn't spoken in about a week, but he was like, I was worried, but I figured this should come around. It has happened. Like, you know, and he said,

he was like, hey, did you guys find a little red address book? And he said, because Gina kept it with her at all times. She had every address, she ever knew in that book, she never was anywhere without it, without it. And a police said, no, they never found it at the scene, they never found that notebook. Oh, that's really sad, because obviously it was like important to her father. Exactly. And what we'll see is that Doug Clark definitely had that notebook. Oh. Yeah, he uses it later. So after they were identified, something, like some strange things started happening.

They were like, usually when this kind of thing happens, they have to go around and find people to talk to. Right. They have to investigate. Right. Yeah, they got a call out of the blue. From a 19 year old woman named Mindy Cohen, she had contacted investigators and said, I met those two girls a few days before their deaths.

They had just arrived. I was with them. And Mindy was dating a 37 year old guy named Mark Gotsman. He was like a very rich lawyer type. He was like super Hollywood. He had like a big mansion in Beverly Hills. And he was infamous for throwing insane ragers at his Beverly Hills mansion.

I don't know this man. And he would have hundreds of people there. And he had a habit and like a thing that he would do where he would send his driver like his chauffeur into the city to pick up attractive ladies to bring back to the party. All right. And on the night of June 1st, 1980, his driver brought back Gina Marano and Cynthia Chandler. Mindy started chatting with them immediately.

She said she really liked them. They just like hit it off. And she was like, I kind of like, at what I felt bad for them, because they seemed very naive and like, you know, wide eyed. And like, I knew that like, this town is going to like really take the down a notch. But she said I also like admired them, because they were just like, striking out on their own at such a young age. Yeah. And they had told her we're in LA, we're're gonna start a new life. They were working at like a Taco Bell. They just got in jobs. That night, Mindy gave them her information, her name, her number, her address, and said,

if you ever need anything you call me, like I've been here. Mindy. Like I want to help you guys out. This sounds like a fucking movie, right? And she was very upset after she heard what happened to them. So she's like, I had to call you, the police. Like, I didn't know what to do. So she said, I wanted to give you some information,

you know, anything that I could help you with to what they were doing prior to their deaths. And also because she was like, I'm a little scared something could happen to me. She wrote down my information. Yeah. And now I don't know where that book is. And she didn't know that, but she was like,

she has my information. She has my information. And she said, here's why I'm scared. She said, she got a phone call, Mindy. She said, I got a phone call the day before. And it was by someone, the day before she called the police, so after they were killed. And she said, it was by someone who was claiming

to be an LAPD detective. But she immediately suspected he was a bullshitter. She was like, I don't know why he just didn't sound right. I like Mindy can step him out. Mindy's got it, but he said he was investigating the deaths of Gina Marano and Cynthia Chandler. And he said, he knew she was an acquaintance of theirs. And she was like, oh, and he mentioned they had her phone number. Uh-huh. And she said, I have an address book here and it has your phone number. Oh, I just got like actual goosebumps because it's like, yeah, I know where you live. And I know that you knew them. Yep. And he said it was in a little red address book that he had it.

Wow. And he said, can I come to your home and ask you a few questions. And she said, no. And she said, not thinking because at first she said, when you know, when he said I have the address book, I just want to speak to you because you're in acquaintance. I thought of courts like I want to help out. And she said, and she said this after it, she was like afterwards I couldn't believe I had said it, but she said, no, you can't come over because I'm babysitting my little sisters. I'm home alone. Oh, oh god. Like my parents aren't here. Yeah. And she said, I said it, thinking I'm talking

to a police detective, but I should have, she's like, I just didn't even think of it. Right. And she said, but I'll answer questions on the phone. Yeah. Which like, smart girl saying like, no, you can't come over. But, don't say you're home alone. I know.

But you know, she said it. She was like, just like, I thought it. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, I didn't even think of it because I was talking to a detective. It just didn't even. She's like, even if I was like a little like, I don't know if you're a detective, it's like that. I didn't even think of it because I was talking to a detective. It just didn't even. She's like, even if I was like a little, like, I don't know if you're a detective,

she's like, when he brought up the address book and well, he sounds like he, you know, he sounded legit and she's like, and it just came out. So she said, he asked her some standard questions, like, you know, like, you know, when did you last see them, all the stuff. So she was feeling like pretty confident that he was a detective. She was like, okay, nothing weird.

But then he said, did you know that they were sex workers? Which they weren't. Not that it really matters, but like they weren't. It's a weird question. And she said she didn't think they were because she was like, they never mentioned that to me. Like she said, they mentioned that they were like, yeah, she was like, they just didn't mention that to me. But she said, I definitely don't know that. Like, maybe they just didn't want to mention it to me. They mentioned that they were like, yeah, they just didn't mention that to me, but she said, I definitely don't know that. Maybe they just didn't want to mention it to me.

And he said, well, I know for a fact, they were. And she was like, okay. And she literally was like, okay. Any more questions, dude. But she was like, and she was like, he was very adamant to be like, just so you're aware. They were sex workers, basically being like, not a big deal, like, calm down, they were sex workers. Right.

Like, don't get all in a tizzy. And she was like, I don't understand why, why that's like so poignant. And she said, this is when she started freaking out because she was like, this is not a real cop. That's so, because she was like, I just don't think so. It's just so weird that he even did that. Oh, he does a lot of weird shit.

So she called her boyfriend, the lawyer. And she said, she was like, this is weird. I don't think that was a cop. And together they called the LAPD and were like, hey, did someone call from there? And they confirmed no, no one called from here. What the fuck? And they were, but then they were like, oh, it was just a prank like somebody fucking around. And she's like, well, they had my number in my name. Like what? And the LAPD was like, eh! And she said, like, he had like a little address book. And at this point, like, they know that they're

looking for a little address book. Like, no. And also, there's a bunch of, there's a, but a handful of serial killers going around at this time. Like, I don't know, guys, maybe take things seriously. I don't, we're busy that day. So the police hang up with her, and they're like, I don't know.'re busy that day. So the police hang up with her and they're like, I don't know.

They get another call from another woman. This woman's name is Laurie Briggs. And she had a similar call from a so-called LAPD detective. Okay. This LAPD detective referred to himself as detective Clark. Okay. Love that he didn't, you know, make an alias.

You're, you're really just not even going to try. You're not using your middle name, like middle initial. Yeah, like you don't even really have to say your name. You can just say I'm an LAPD detective. But you can tell that's what,

how much of a dick he was that he just, he was doing it right in the open and he was like, no one's going to nurse us. Yeah, he's like, no one's going to catch me. It's right. So he said, I'm working the Chandler Marano case

and this time this detective said that Lori's husband Henry, his business card was found on the bodies. See, I have like a feeling that probably not and probably that her address or phone number was just an outlaw book. You would be incorrect. Oh, bitch.

So, fine. So it makes sense why you would think that. Now, they said he wasn't a suspect, Henry, they had a husband, and they said they just needed to know more from him, obviously. And she said, like, okay, and she was like, that's, oh wow, what a fun. And what it was, is this Henry owned like a moving business,

so he had business cards, but she was like, while I talked to this detective Clark guy, he became less and less police like in the conversation. Like he just started like Joe Schmell and yeah. And she said, at one point, he mentioned that the victims were sex workers and he said that they were, quote, doing what they shouldn't. Uh-huh.

And he was like, she was like, okay, that's strange. Like for a detective to mention to a random person on the phone. Like she was like, I didn't know these people. I didn't interact with them. So like, I don't know what you're telling me this. So she was like, okay, so she was like, I'll get my husband and he'll contact you. So she asked her husband. And he was like, okay, so she was like, I'll get my husband and he'll contact you.

So she asked her husband and he was like, about this, she was like, why was your card found? And he was like, oh yeah, and he was like, I saw that on the news that they were found dead. And he said, yeah, they probably did have my card. And he said, I saw these two girls hitchhiking on June 10th. And he said, he and his brother-in-law,

who also worked with him in the business, picked them up. And he said the one that was blonde, which was Cynthia, she said her name was Cindy and the other one had brown hair, which was Gina. And he said before I brought them to the entrance of the freeway, that's where they wanted to get out. And he said, I gave them my business card and said, if you ever need help, please call, because he said they were so young and I was worried about them. Oh, what a good guy. So it seems like multiple people have been like,

I just was worried about them. Like they had all these angel people that were trying to help them, and then they ran into the most evil people ever. Which is like really sad. I feel like that's just like California and that's all. Yeah, like these angels and little things. There's so many great men.

And then there's like all the people out there that just want to fucking eat your heart out of your chest cavity. Well, and it's like this sounds almost too good to be true. You're like, I don't know. Like you know, I mean, like I think you prime brains are like, what Henry, I don't know. But Henry called the police himself. Like the actual LAPD.

How do you feel about him? I just trust his Henry. Henry's also my favorite boy name. There you go. So he called the LAPD. I had a feeling about him. I just trusted him. I had a race also, my favorite boy name. There you go. So he called the LAPD and he was like, listen, I just wanted to call and say that, you know, here's my name. My name is Henry Briggs.

I own this company. On June 10th, I picked up these two girls that I know have been found murdered. Can I tell you like my story about what happened here? And they were like, yeah, totally. We'll write this down. And then they were like, no one from here called your wife. Right.

And they were like, I don't know what you're trying. And he was like, no, a detective clerk called my wife and asked about this because he said that was found on their bodies. Were they like, we don't even have a detective clerk? And they were literally like, yeah, we also didn't find your card on their bodies. So we are are not what that's not that's not us. And he was like, wow, okay. So someone called my wife and someone who had my card that

was found on them. Like that was the killer. Obviously. And they're like, no, it's probably a prank by. So at this point, they're not even putting two and two together that this dude is out here calling the L.A.D. in the 80s and 70s, everyone. I don't even know what to do. So yeah, so that was that July 24, 1980, Mindy Cohen, our first girl, gets another phone call. Oh, I don't like this. This time it was around 7am and the color was a man who she said had the same voice as the detective who called her before. And she said, I guess this person asked is this Mindy? And she was like, yes, who is this?

This is she. And he then asked, do you remember me calling you a couple weeks ago? And he said about the murders of Cynthia Chandler and Gina Morano. And she said, yes. And he said, well, I killed them. And now I want you. Oh, my God. He then went into great detail about the murders of the two sisters

and revealed that he shot Gina in the head but had to shoot Cynthia in the head and the heart. Oh, my God. So we know we are talking about to the killer, not somebody fucking around, because that was not released to the press. And then she's sitting there. It was just that they were shot.

It was not released that one of them was shot twice in the head and one was shot in the head and the heart. That is number one, so fucking terrifying. And then she's sitting there saying, oh good, this person knows where I live. And like, I would be sitting there like, did they drive by? Like while I was home alone, baby sitting my sisters. Like, exactly. Are they outside right now? Are they outside? Are they about to walk into the house? Immediately. Like, hopefully she had the means to buy a plane ticket

and get the fuck out of there. Yes, seriously. I'd be like, what the fuck? Well, then he went into more detail and he said, well, remember, they were sex workers. Because he really wants to hammer that in like, you need to stop worrying about this because they were sex workers. cause he really wants to hammer that in like, you need to stop worrying about this, cause they were sex workers, cause that's what he saw sex workers. That's like less than, Yup, cause he's a fucking asshole. Cause he's an asshole and he said,

he had paid them 30 bucks for oral sex and he said, I only wanted the blonde one, which was Cynthia. And he said, I shot them while they did it. Oh, he then said, I shot them and then I made love to them. And it felt so good. Now I want you, Mindy, your next. What the fuck?

She also said while he was telling the story on the phone and she was trying to figure out what the fuck to do. Because she was like, I didn't want to hang up because I was like, do I run somewhere with this fuck? Like, what do I do? Where do I go? Do I scream? Do I go outside and he's right there? I don't know. Well, you're probably just like paralyzed with beer. somewhere with this foot? Like, where do I go? Where do I go? Do I scream? Do I go outside and he's right there?

I don't know. Well, you're probably just like paralyzed with beer. She said he was just paralyzed, but she said she suddenly realized that he was clearly masturbating on the phone while telling the story. What the actual fuck you. So she hung up and she called her father, who called the police. And she said that she believed during this conversation that he had mentioned that his name was Doug. Oh, okay.

I love that he's just like my philosophy was Doug Clark. Yeah, and obviously this was Doug Clark. We found out later. Now let's talk about Doug Clark. Do we have to? Let's talk about him. He was born on March 10th, 1948 in Pennsylvania. He was the son of Franklin Clark in Blanche Clark.

His father was a Naval Intelligence Officer and he was the third child of four children. I also think he's a Pisces, but let's check. Just to let's figure it out. Because I hope he's new segment. I hope you're not. I'm getting better at it. I say that, but I'll be wrong.

I don't want you to get better at it, just because I love it. Obviously, it might be not true, but. I really't want you to get better at it, just because I love it. I honestly, it might be not true, but I really just want you to get better at it. I want to get better at it. John is an airy, so. I was fine. You were, okay, there you go, you were right.

Well, I don't know if that means. That doesn't really love the Pisces. What are Pisces? Highly emotional. Oh, wow. I don't want to offend anybody. That's strange for Doug Clark, but sure. So his family moved around eight tons because his dad was in the Navy. Sure. They actually lived in 37 different countries. Oh wow. He was also a pathological liar and

a very intense manipulator from a very early age. Okay. As a teen, he was also a heavy drinker. He would also he was caught at one point as a teenager filming girls He hooked up with and then showing the photos to everyone in school. Oh, yeah, just you know normal teen things Yeah, so when girls girls his own age like wouldn't touch him after a while with a 10-foot pole because they were like he's crazy Right, so he decided to go after older women and And that's when he realized, well, that's when he realized that older women, if he could find the right ones, older, lonely women, he described. That's him, not me saying it. He could manipulate them for his own gain,

because they were looking for a companionship and love and somebody, you know, so he could really fuck with this. So he would charm them into paying for everything for him. And then when he got bored, or she ran out of money, he would just abandon her. He would charm them because Pisces are excessively romantic. There you go. So he would do that.

I have to say one of our listeners, Crystal, actually, she did a full entire birth chart. And then she went forward and send it me. Send it me. And sent me like a zodiac, like a list of the zodiac with all the qualities of each zodiac sign. So Pisces are excessively romantic, prone to fantasy, don't have boundaries. Both five and fifty years old at once think everything is a sign and can't remember if they dreamt it or if it actually happened.

Wow. All right. Some of those make sense. They're probably the no boundaries. Yeah, I would say the no boundaries and excessive fantasies is also his definitely. I'm also like before anybody gets mad at me about like not liking Pisces, my mom is a Pisces, so you know, so there you go.

There you go. But back to Doug. You know, back to Doug though, because he's, everybody, you know, there's a bad person for every sign. Exactly. There's a group of bad people for every sign. Trust me, I'm a Capricorn. There's a lot of bad Capricorns.

Horrible Capricorns. So, but I love Capricorns. But yeah, so he would often charm these women. He would gain their trust, gain their companionship, make them pay for everything, and then he would get bored and just abandon them and just ruin them. I wonder where he was meeting these ladies. Oh, at tons of bars.

Like bars around California, around Pennsylvania, anywhere he could find them, he was finding them. Okay. And although he was pretty shitty in school, he went to like really, you know, he went to the international school of Geneva, Switzerland. Oh, because it's dad.

Exactly. He went to the Culver Military Academy and he graduated in 1967. He went to the Culver Military Academy and he graduated in 1967. He then joined the Air Force. He worked in radio intelligence. He told a ton of tall tales, well, he was there about being, or when he came back, excuse me, he would tell people that he was on the front lines

just to impress people. It's like you were in the military. Like you could just press it. You were in Air force radio intelligence officer. That's very impressive. You don't need to age it up. You were in the air force. Just the fact that you wanted to get out of the loan.

Very impressive. You don't need to go further. And don't lie about things. But then that just credits people to do that. So he was discharged from the military. And he began working a lot of different different jobs like a mechanic for a while. During this whole time, and ever since he was a teen, really, he considered himself like a sexual god, like a force to be record on us. He called himself the king of the one night stand. That's just like, yucky. Which is like, okay. Yeah, like, wow.

That's so impressive. Like, wow, okay. Yeah. You just, I don't, like, okay. Like, what am I supposed to do with that? You could look at that from both sides, because you could be like, okay, like, maybe you have commitment issues.

Yeah, like, I'd be like, that's sad for you guys. Or I'd be like, or looking at the other side and be like, okay, I'd be like, so no one wants to sleep with you again. Yeah. Like, I don't want to snore really I'd be like, sit no one wants to sleep with you again. Yeah. Like I don't want to sleep really. So everybody's just like one and done with you and are like, that was fancy, never.

See like what? Or it's like, or it's just not impressive. Like, okay. Yeah, plenty of people have one nightstand. Yeah, like, have you been in your early 20s? Get it, I guess. Like, I don't know, I don't understand. It's just a very weird thing to like label yourself as.

It is. But he did come off very articulate, very educated, even though he didn't like school and he wasn't doing well. He was good at knowing. And a lot of the things I read about him, which I read a couple of books. Let me shout out the books really quick. I read a book called I Read A Book. I read a book.

I read a book. It's read a book. I read a book. I read a book. It's called Doug Clark and Carol Bundy, the horrific true story behind the sunset strip slayers. It's by Nancy A. B.C. and Ryan Decker. I also read a book. Another book. Let me just bring it up for you because I like to make sure you know them ahead of time.

Murder on the sunsetset Strip, and it's a true crime quickie book. It's really easy to read. It's like, I would've added that to my card. That's my card. That's true, yeah. We love the quickie. And this is by Kim Creswell.

Now, in these books, they did say that he knew a little bit about a lot of things, and he did this intentionally. Like this was definitely a calculated thing. Like if I know a little bit about a lot of different things, then I can make myself sound very worldly and very articulate and very educated. And you know, I think we were saying,

like you had mentioned before, like he lived in so many places. Like it's a good way to learn a little bit of about everything. You're gonna be able to grab a bunch of little tidbits here and there. So he used it. He also had very dark fantasies. Proentathy. A very prone to fantasies, but very dark ones.

He was into rape scenarios. He was very into pain, very into extreme BDSM and into necrophilia. Not okay. He moved to LA and he got a job as a steam plant operator at the LA Department of Water and Power at the Valley Generating Station. You know the one, right? Yes, yep, that one.

Been there, done that. He quit that out of nowhere because he can't hold onto a job. He also then got a job as a boiler operator at Jurgen's soap factory in Burbank. Sounds hot. Yeah,bank. Sounds hot. Yeah, probably. Sounds hot.

And not like that's hot. No, it sounds like that. It sounds like temperature like hot. I was gonna say, I'm steamy. And then that was like the only free person narrative. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't sound steamy or like that's hot. It sounds like, who?

I know the water. I'm sweating. Yeah, like I don't like to sweat. No, I don't want it. He was fired from that job because he just would not show up. who I don't like. Sounds like I'm sweating. Yeah, like I don't like to sweat. No, I don't want it. He was fired from that job because he just would not show up and he also threatened violence against his co-workers on the reg. See usually that's in the handbook.

That'll do it. So he was a super heavy drinker as well. He went to bars all the time, obviously, to pick up women. In 1976, he met a woman named Beverly, and they ended up getting married very quickly. Together, they actually opened up an upholstery business. And it was, right? And it was doing pretty well. And their marriage was like not an unhappy one, really?

Okay. Although he liked to bring other people into it, like he was she like willing. And she wasn't super into it, and I think that's why they ended up breaking up on one point. She was like some. But she was just like, ooh, I'll give it a try, you know? And he also just like refused to remain faithful.

He was like, I will not do monogamy and she was like, ooh. Yeah, like why'd we get married? But she said that didn't bother her so much. She's like, I didn't love it. But the thing that really did bother me about him was that he had no drive. Yeah, that was a lot of her. He he had no drive. Yeah, that'll bother a person.

He had no drive to be anything more in life. She was like, I was taking up all the responsibility of the business, running the business. And she's like, and he just didn't seem like you want anything else and I wasn't into it. I needed somebody that was gonna be as driven as I am. Right, I was like, get it, Beverly. Yeah, hell yeah.

They divorced after four years, but they remained like best friends. Weird. Right? She testified later at his trial. Interesting, I guess. Yeah, well, we'll get into it. Okay.

But when he lost his last job in around 1980, he was desperate. He was like, I need to find an older lonely woman. I've lost my wife. I don't have anyone paying for my shit and just letting me lounge around and do whatever I want. And he's like, I gotta find someone to pay my way. I love that he's like, I don't want a job. I want a rich lady.

Yeah, I want a rich older lady. And this is when he met Carol Bundy. I had a feeling. In 1980, at a bar he went to a ton called Little Nashville. Okay. Sounds like great. So here's Carol Bundy. Carol Bundy was born August 26th, 1942. She had a way worse life than Doug did.

Both of her parents were alcoholics and were often violent while under the influence. Her mother and the kids at school were not kind to her. She struggled with her weight and she had to wear very thick glasses from a young age. At one point, her mother, when she was eight years old, her mother locked her out of the house, when she got home from school and wouldn't let her come in and kept yelling, you don't live here anymore, you're not my daughter. What the actual fuck and she was how old? She was eight. And all that like breaks my heart.. Now I found a source that said that her mom

from that day forward refused to call her her daughter, like just that was it. And then also that she had to like go get her father who was working like down the street to go like let her into the house. Did her mom have like a mental, I couldn't find anything saying that, but there was definitely, you know, evidence.

Yeah, so something was something happening. Okay. She started acting out pretty early, and by 11 years old, she was shoplifting. She had also tried to kill herself several times by poisoning. That's really so. And so continuing a little bit into adulthood, her mother died young, and it was like a massive heart attack, I believe, and it kind of happened while the kids were in the house.

It was like a big deal. The father rushed her out to the hospital. The kids were just sitting there waiting and he comes home and is like, hey, your mom's dead. That's a lot of childhood trauma and like a very short, spent time.

Exactly, like a concentrated span of time. Right. So when he came home, the same night he came home and said your mother has died. He told her and her younger sister, Vicki. So her younger sister, Vicki was 11 and she was 13. And at the time that she had died, she said, you guys are gonna have to take over for your mother.

And he said, in every way. Oh, no. He began raping them when they were 11 and 13. He did so on the first night that their mother died. What the fuck is that? Yeah. Yep. After her mother's death and after her father's attacks

on her began on the regular, she would act out even more. She would run through the streets naked. She would literally like masturbate in front of homes and cars. Because she's clearly just going... ...rometized in every way possible. You feel bad for younger her, and clearly this is a situation in such that she was created. Oh, for sure.

For sure she was created. Absolutely created. This is one of those things you can really look at as, you know, nurture. Like for sure. I think Doug Clark is Nate. He just is. Yeah, I agree with you. But I think she was definitely created. And then it's like she's looking for some kind of validation. She finds this guy. So in a way, she's a victim. Absolutely. For sure. But then she, we all have free will. Exactly. And at 17, she wanted to get away from her father. So she married a 56-year-old man, named Leonard, who was also an abusive alcoholic, because the cycle continues. And he wouldn't

get a job, told her, you know what, I don't want to get a job, so I'm just going to make you sell your body. Like, you just are going to become a sex worker to pay our bills. So she was not happy with that, that she was like being forced into this, so she did divorce him. She married again, because she's looking for stability, comfort, and somebody to help her. A man named Richard Geys. He was a porn writer who also would like really like to write sci-fi stuff. And like shit she was into, like she was into sci-fi and all that. That's a vibe. And he actually tried to encourage her to write and pursue things she wanted to pursue.

Like he was actually very encouraging. Okay. Carol was able to actually sell some articles that she wrote at one point. Wow, that's nice. And I guess she like and illustrated her own, just one edition of a fan fiction magazine thing, which was a big deal for her at the time. She accomplished it.

But she was also doing sex work on the side, because she had just been conditioned into it at this point. Yeah, of course. She had taught since she was 13 years old that that's what you do. That's what you do. That exactly. So when she was 20, her dad died. He hung himself. And she felt guilty because she assumed he had killed himself because of what he had done to her, but she

took on the guilt. That's because because it's just such a such a cycle. So she's so traumatized by childhood that she's traumaed into taking on that guilt of something else to have a parent like that. That's like, what happened? Yeah, of course. You take the guilt because they don't. Exactly. They never will.

Somebody has to. Yeah. So Richard tried to maintain their relationship, her husband, and he actually paid for her to go to nursing school. She ended up going to nursing school. Wow. He sounds like such a really great guy. They ended up separating, but they stayed best friends too, just like that happened.

Like Beverly and Doug. On both sides. And he actually continued to help her whenever he could. Now, so once she was single again and working in nursing, she was working at like a hospital, she met another healthcare worker named Richard Bundy. They started, yeah, there he is. They started dating and had two sons together. She was having a lot of health issues at this point related to, she was diabetic and it

was getting worse and she was losing her eyesight more rapidly because of it. So he made it clear he was not going to be the sole caretaker if something happened to her. Okay. And if she went blind, he was like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I'm not going to be taking care of you in these kids. That's not what's happening. Oh my. And he started abusing her and like raging at her. So she took her two sons finally and moved into a battered woman's shelter in January

1979. Wow. Now, she started very soon after this. She started an affair with her apartment manager. Okay. This guy was named Jack Murray and he was married to a woman named Jeanette. He was from Australia. He had two children with Jeanette. He was a part-time country singer. Part-time. Yep. And he was said to be a low rate Tom Jones. Ladies love him. Look him up.

I was like, I mean, I don't know what that is. He was also, I mean, he had hundreds of affairs on Jeanette. He had a million women at any given time. Oh, I know this guy. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. He was also a pathological liar, according to those who knew him, and he would greatly exaggerate his life story and experiences.

Oh, so she was just like getting ready for a duck? Yeah, she's got a type. Oh, he also had a police badge and would impersonate an LAPD officer sometimes. For why? For girls to like come with him. Hillside Stranglers, it's everywhere. Yeah, that's real weird man. He managed the Valerio apartments, which is where she lived, but unfortunately he was also

a drinker and when he drank he became abusive and awful. He would beat his wife and even broke her arm once. He also cheated on her relentlessly, like I said, with fans, especially of his country music, because he would go sing at especially little Nashville that bar. I'm leaving. And fans, he had like rupees and shit. He would also cheat on her with tenants

in the apartment complex. And she knew this, but she was like, he was scary, and I didn't want him to turn on my sons. And to hurt me. And then the other thing is it's like, Carol's putting herself in such a position of like, just like getting involved with the guy with the power. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Where you live. But she's so, that's her whole condition of this. She had met Carol at the bar, Little Nashville. And she told him the whole story of how she was like in foreign apartment. And she was like,

I've been through all these marriages and I'm just like, my health is in, I have children. And he was like, oh, I can be the hero here. So he was like, I'm happy to move you into one of the apartments we have. And he saw as an easy target, of course. What a fucking house. I hate all of the people in this country.

So he helped her move in and eventually they began in a fair. He made her sign up for disability at one point and then took her checks because he said she owed him for helping her. Yes, he knew he was going to do that. And he said, and you owe me for even paying attention to you. Yeah, you know, I usually pay money to people for paying attention to me. Yeah, for sure. He even convinced her to open up a joint bank account and gave him full access.

Wow. At one point, he told Carol that his wife was diagnosed with cancer and needed life-saving surgery, and she handed him $10,000. No questions asked. Wow. That was not true. During the holidays, she arranged a trip

for the two of them to Vegas, and because she was like just like, trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to...

...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to...

...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... ...trying to... back to like to fly home with her. And she was devastated when she dropped, when you know what, he dropped her off and just left. And all of a sudden there's a knock at the door

and she's like, maybe he's apologizing. And he at the door was Jeanette, his wife. And she said she knew it was going on. Jeanette, let's not misplace anger here. But she was like, she said, you need to leave my husband alone. Yeah, like you fear. Because you're both a part of this. Yeah. Like, regardless, like he's a piece of shit. I just didn't know if gonna play Sanger here. But she said you need to leave my husband alone. Yeah, like you're here. Because you're both a part of this. Like he's a piece of shit.

I just didn't know if she was gonna hurt her. Oh no, she was just like, you know he's buried with children like her. That's far too much an issue here. So she was like, you need to leave my fucking husband alone. Like, I'll deal with him, but I'm terribly out of here. And she was like, you know, and so Carol was like, can I just ask you like, did the surgery go well?

Because I gave him money for that, and she was like, I don't have cancer, and I never had surgery. And then she was like, he definitely just took that money from you. And after she said that to her, Carol said, can I give you $1,500 to divorce him? Why is she going to pay her?

Because she still wanted him. Because she still wanted him. So she was like, can I pay you to divorce him. Why is she gonna pay her? Because she still wanted him. So she was like, can I pay you to divorce him? And she was like, no, and not only that, the fact that you just offered that, she made Jack kick her out of the apartment complex. Because she was like, you're at that point. Like if someone's about to meet, I'd be like, no, you can't live here.

Like this whole thing is fucked up. Like the whole thing is fucked up. Just like layers and layers. It's a fucked up onion. A fucked up on fucked up. Just like layers and layers. It's a fucked up onion. A fucked up on every level. But like as soon as somebody's like, I can I pay you to, like no. Like can I buy your husband at the same time?

It's like kick him out too. Like everybody's got to get out. And then at the same time, it's also like, that's what she's learned. Thought people are, yeah. Thought, yeah, exactly. So, oh god, this is like really terrible. I know.

It really is. So he did, he kicked Carol out of the apartment. Okay, exactly. So, this is like really terrible. I know. It really is. So, he did, he kicked Carol out of the apartment. Oh, okay, okay. But he moved her into another apartment farther away and still continued to have sex with her. Of course he did. Because he's a fucking jackass. This apartment complex was also home. Now, I just want to give a little bit of a trigger warning here because there is, I'm not

going to go into anything like graphic or anything so don't worry. But there is an 11 year old that is involved in some of this stuff. Again, I'm not going to go into anything because I didn't really want to read about it to be honest. But it is going to be mentioned. This apartment complex was where an 11 year old girl who I'm going to call Jessica, I don't, her real name I don't think is necessary. No, it's not.

She was very troubled. She had been sexually assaulted by adults in her life before. She met Carol when Carol was moving in. They kind of bonded a little bit. And at first, their relationship was like this weird friendship. And they did things like, you know,

watch movies together and all that. And her, I guess, Jessica's mom was like, it was weird, did things like, you know, watch movies together and all that and her I guess Jessica's mom was like it was weird, but she seemed like she was happy and she was a nice lady So I just didn't think anything of it, but it's pretty soon turned predatory and Carol was like involving Jessica and like sexual things She also introduced her to Jack and was basically hoping that if she offered this 11-year-old to him, that he would want her again. He was all about it, but Jessica was like, nope, and she said, I feel threatened by him. I don't want to be around him.

And Carol was like, okay, you don't have to. Which is like a weird... I hate you. Yeah. So, she became... And now this 11-year-old did meet Doug Clark later when they met too. And she liked Doug, like she felt less like threatened. I wonder if she was just like,

he's trying to somehow. I think that's what it is. I think Jack just comes off more in your face as a piece of shit and Doug is able to hide it a little bit. I think it's got a mask. So she's continuing to obsess over Jack at this point. And she would go to Little Nashville bar and watch him sing and hope that he would leave with her.

And one of these nights is when she met Doug Clark. And he told her at that time that he had this horrible girlfriend and that relationship was crumbling. And he said his ex-girlfriend, like his girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, also happened to be his landlord. So he was like, I'm not gonna have anywhere to live. She's like, see him. And she's like, wow.

So within days, he had moved in with Carol. Oh, honey, no. And the first night they met, she brought him home to like see the place. And he played with her kids and was like super sweet. And I guess the kids were like, we love Doug. Like he's really cool. Wow. I literally forgot that she had children. Yeah. She had to do this entire time. Two sons. Awesome. I'm not exactly sure how old they were. There's like several different

things. I think they are not mentioned a lot in things. Yes. So it's just like, you know, but she was very smitten at this point because obviously showing that he can like hang with her kids. Yeah. And Jack clearly had no interest in that. Exactly. Their father didn't seem to care. Nope, exactly. So they indulged in each other's violent fantasies together, but soon that was not enough for Doug. Like, you know, they would do like the BDSM thing, but she's willing.

But she's willing and he's like, you know what, I have, so he sits her down and he's like, I have these fantasies. And like, she's like, I know we've been doing it. I can't imagine. Right. Because we talk about this a lot, where like, these two people find each other and they sit down and one of them's like,

so I have this fantasy. I just always picture, and it's like, I can't even picture Drew sitting in front of me. But I just like, picture like my partner sitting in front of me and saying like, I have these fantasies. And like, that's one thing. I'd be like, well, we can go to therapy. Yeah.

But to say, and I'd like to act on them, like, how do you feel? I can't imagine meeting in that situation. Right. It's actually actively giving me a panic attack. I can see that like, genuinely. Like, what the, like, will you do? You just try to be like, yeah, okay.

Cool. Because then you're scared because you're like, I don't try to be like, yeah, okay, thank you. Cool. Because then you're scared. Because you're like, if I don't say, you're like, that's awesome. Is that gonna happen to me? Yeah, is that gonna happen to me? Yeah, it's a very scary thing.

It's getting hot. I know you're like sweating. I'm like, just, because I'm like, I don't know what it is. I can like put myself in situations very, you're energetic. Yeah, I hate it. That's what, you're like, there's a word for that.

Yeah, empathy. That's what that is. I hate it. Why do I you're like, there's a word for that. Yeah, empathy. That's what that is. I hate it. Why do I have that? You need to have more apathy and so empathy. I'm stressed. But no, it's a good thing that you're that way. Yeah, yeah.

You are where you are because you're that way. He's very honest. But yeah, he told her he was like, I have some fantasies. Oh, would you be terrified? I hate it. And he said, my fantasies are like abducting and sexually assaulting women.

No. And she was like, okay, like I don't see you. And he said, I also have like this, I kind of want to kill a woman. And then he was like, but like he's like kind of, not really, I don't know. And then he's like, I'm also kind of into like pedophilia. Oh.

I'm also into rape. I also would like to inflict pain on strangers, all of that. And she was like, I'm into literally every horrible thing you could do to another person. And she was literally like, okay. And she, at first was like, oh, okay. But then she quickly found this whole thing very exciting.

She thought the whole thing was exciting. Do you think that she at this point was just like, this is what my life is? Oh, I think she just rolled right into this life, because I mean, what else does she know? Yeah, I think there's just tons of trauma back there that was just kind of... And to be clear, I am not defending this one.

Oh, I'm just saying, it's just interesting to see how she was created, right? She really is. To me, it's hard to find a very clear cut. Like, I feel like that is, like, totally nature-like. Almost completely. Yeah.

Obviously, I don't know her. Maybe when she was very, very little this more, we don't know that she was like innately, right? Something, but from what I've read and what I've researched, it seems to me like she was created. I agree. By two, like, pretty monstrous parents. Yeah. But either way like she was created. I agree. By two, like pretty monstrous parents. Yeah.

But either way, she was into this. So she didn't pull herself into a different direction, which a lot of people will do with Trump. Yeah, absolutely. A lot of people pull themselves in a better direction, but she did not. So she was like, you know what, let's do this. And he was like, okay, I want to buy a couple guns.

And he was like, but I can't, because one time I like stole something, so I have like a charge on me and I can't buy guns. I feel like there's more to the story. And she was like, oh, okay, cool. So he was worth it. He was worth it, but. So she went to the pawn shop and she got two Raven 25 caliber semi-automatic pistols.

There it is. Yep. And they both had like different finishings on them, I guess. Like one was nickel and one was like, I don't know, like silver or something. Either way, it's just they were both two different guns. Sure. She used one and he used one, but oftentimes he would carry both. The longer he stayed with Carol at her apartment, he would like lose interest a lot and would literally like either leave and go live with another woman, or he would just ask Carol to sleep on the cot or the couch in her own apartment so that he could take women back to her home and sleep with them in her bed. And she would.

And she would. So to keep him interested, that's when she introduced him to Jessica. No. And she became part of their lives in a very predatory way. On her 12th birthday, Doug gave Jessica clothes as in a music box, and it was clearly not new. It had been used in years later. It was taken into custody for evidence because it likely belonged to victims of his and he gave it to a 12-year-old. What the actual...

That's as much as I'm going to go into the... It's just stuff, yeah, it's pretty horrific. This is already dark enough. I was gonna say, and I just wanna move past it. It's not something I wanna chat about. We don't like to go into the, if you wanna read more about what happened there, you can read the books.

But after the murders of Cynthia Chandler and Gina Marano, Doug actually called Carol at work and told her to watch the news. And she wasn't with him, it was just Doug who dressed him. And she, now and again, this is also her saying this. So there's things we can take with grains of salt, whether she was there or not. That's one of them. And so she said he called said, go watch the news. And she did, and when she saw the news of the girl's body is being discovered, he said he had something to tell her when he got home.

She was like, okay, now I believe this one was just him and there's a couple others that I believe were just him but she was involved in some way. Okay, so he came home that night and told Carol what had happened. He had blood on his clothes. He was like, why died in crazy, which he was always why died in crazy? If you look at a picture, oh, I did.

Oh, I did. Those eyes. Those eyes. Like, it's really scary. Like, it's really scary. Yeah, they're full of a lot of secrets. And he said he had picked up two girls hitchhiking. He said he paid 30 bucks for all sex. He said, now he

told Carol that he told Gina Marano not to look. And when she turned away, he shot her in the head. Oh, wow. That's really fun. And then he shot Chandler in the head. And they weren't dead right away. So he shot Gina again in the head and sent the on the heart. That's so sad. He said after they were dead, he drove them to a secluded area where he rented a storage garage

and he raped both of their bodies. Both of their dead bodies from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. Oh my God. And then dumped them along the highway. You know, it's weird in this photo, the two of them, like, look alike. I know. You know, when you're like,

they're like, they're so very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very like with some of these very long, they start to look like they're terrifying. Well, he took her out days later and drove her by the scene where he dumped the bodies and told her if she went to the police, he would kill her too. Wow. After this confession, he told Carol that on May 31st, he said, now before Cynthia Chandler and Gina Marano, which they were assuming were the first victims here. Yeah.

He said, oh no, on May 31st, like before that, he had picked up a girl he referred to as foothill. And he named her that because he claimed to have dumped her naked body in a ravine near foothill Boulevard. He said he didn't know her name, he was like, I was called a foothill. He said he had picked her up on sunset Boulevard

and forced her to perform sexual favors for him and then shot at her four times She fought back kicking and screaming at him and she actually broke the gear shift in the car He was driving. Wow, which was Carol's dadson Dadson was also in the hillside street. Oh dude all of these. I mean obviously it's a St. It's still weird though. It's like very, a lot of weird similarities. This is probably why he told her about this one because she broke the gear shift and he was like, I should really tell you why.

And he said this pissed him off. So after shooting her, he said he quote unquote, gutted her. Oh, yeah. So she's like, wow, that's something. So June 13th, 1980, the LAPD got a call from another woman. And this woman said, I have information about the murders of Gina Marano and Cynthia Chandler. We now, though, this woman was Carol Bundy.

I had a feeling you were gonna say that. You know, this look in your eye. Yeah, she was trying to tell the truth, but failing. She said her name was Bundy. I had a feeling you were going to say that. You know, this look in your eye. Yep. She was trying to tell the truth, but failing. She said her name was Betsy, and then the call dropped. She called back and said Betsy was a fake name, and she said, I know the killer. And she was terrified. She thought her life was in danger calling, but she said, I have to tell you.

She then said she was using a name that could be too closely associated with her. So she said, you know what, now my name is Claudia. And they were like, Claudia and Carol are closer than Carolyn Betsy. And she said the killer was someone who lived with her and was an intimate partner. Then she said, Claudia could also be associated with her. So that wasn't her name either. And she said, you know, I could be killed. But she said her partner had shown back up at home covered in blood, told her he killed Chandler Marano. And he had raped them after he murdered them. And when pressed, she gave some

information that was not available to the public through the media. Okay. Because the police officers like, you got to give me something that's not in the papers or I don't believe you. Right. Also, you guys like trying to trace this call. You only try to understand. She mentioned that the shots were at close range and that Cynthia Chandler was not only shot in the head, but also the heart. And again, we know. It's like, no.

So she also said that her partner had told her that he had been killing for years and had killed at least 50 people. She had found bloody clothing and towels in his car. She said he was super dangerous, abusive, he was manipulative. And as soon as she says this, the call was disconnected again.

Oh, that's freaky. And the police did record this, and they labeled the tape as, quote, either the killer or someone who knows the killer. Okay. But they weren't able to do much with it, because that's the slash Claudia, slash never mind. The killer or someone who knows the killer. Okay. But they weren't able to do much with it because that's the slash Claudia, slash never mind. The killer or someone who knows the killer.

So June 23rd, 1980, between 2 to 2 30 AM, another body was found. Found, this was the body of Karen Jones who was found lying in the street next to the curb in Burbank. She was lying in a, she was fully clothed, lying in a pool of her own blood, mainly around her head. She was a sex worker who had been brought to California from Little Rock, Arkansas,

with a group of other sex workers. And there, the guy they were working under was Derek Albright. She was pregnant at the time. Oh my God, that's terrible. Yeah, she had turned to sex worker because she wanted to make enough money to support her child on her own.

She had actually been in college on a scholarship, was very bright, very kind. She stopped college because of the pregnancy and she had basically been forced into sex work because she didn't think she could do anything else to make enough money for her child. That's so sad. She was only planning to do it until he was born.

Mm-hmm. The cause of death was a gun shot wound to the head. The shot was approximately six to 12 inches from her head, and it was a 25 caliber bullet. Now, they said she died somewhere between 12 and 2am. Now, an officer named Officer Gazetta, he was on the beat on sunset Boulevard that night, and he had actually ran into Karen Jones around 2.15 AM,

he said, so they had the time of death like fucked up. And he told her, you know, don't hang around in the loiter in this area, I'm gonna rest you. Look at that here. Then someone living around there heard screams outside their house and calls for help. And they said this was between 2.25 and 2.40 AM. Oh, wow.

So they had this on top of that. They had it really wrong. So the same day at 7.15 AM, a nude and headless body was found in a parking lot of Studio City, City, Sizzler in Burbank. Same day, hours later. And the same,, very close proximity. Yes, same thing.

There was so much blood at the crime scene, it was thought that the decapitation had happened there. They also assumed she was still alive when it happened because the amount of blood could have indicated the heart was still beating. So they said she might have been unconscious or dying. Oh, wow. Yeah.

This body was not identified at first because there was no clothing, no ID, and no head. So, oh my God. So four days later, on June 27th at 1am, Jonathan Caravello was walking back to his car from his work shift, and he went into the parking lot and he noticed a wooden box sitting in the spot next to his car. And he was like, it looked cool. It was like ornate. And I was like, what the fuck's in this box? I got to know. And so like curiosity gets to you. Oh my God, I shouldn't have said that

because is that what's in the box? That is what it's in the box. He opened the box and he said at first, I was, I thought it was just a bunch of clothing because there were like denim jeans and a pink t-shirt that read daddy's girl on it. When he moved the clothing, he realized it was wrapped over something and that something was a woman's head. Oh my God. Can you imagine finding that? No. Like your sheer curiosity at this or Nate Box

and you open it and that's what's in it because I would have been interested in in word of box. You would have been like, I need to see what's in here. Oh my God. Yeah. He immediately called the police. The head had been frozen and cleaned. What the fuck?

Yep. Carol had also put a full face of makeup on the head. No, no, no, no, no. I have to tap out. Yep. What the fuck? Yes. Because remember, he's a necrophilia.

But why, what is she? And Ted Bundy used to do that. He used to pick up my makeup on the heads. I know. Like it's fucked. This is like, so she would do it for her. Because she's sitting there holding a decapitated,

putting makeup on it. She admitted that the head was decapitated while she did that. Yep. Oh, and I'll mention it later, but she says she walked into the kitchen one day and the head was sitting on the kitchen counter. This is like at campers and Monday, it's like a health and stranglers. I got a leave now.

My Uber spin year, like 25 minutes and I'm getting a late charge. She said she would literally do the makeup and touch up the hair while he was keeping it around. Yep. Honey, why are you doing? Yeah. And this body now that they were able to get the head was identified as belonging to exe Wilson. She was 20, she was 20 years old. Her name was exe Lafe Wilson, which was like what a cool name. I was gonna say she sounds like an awesome. She was from around Little Rock, Arkansas. She actually came with the group. Just gonna ask about.

So she knew Karen Jones. You wonder if they had been together that day? You wonder? No, she was raised by a single mother after her father passed away and she was really devastated about her, his passing because she was younger. She fell into sex work and fell in love

with a pimp named Derek Albright in Arkansas. After a while, she was tired of getting arrested for sex work, she just wasn't into it and the toll it was taking on her health, her psyche. So she told her mother, I'm gonna stop. I don't wanna do this anymore. And she actually called her mom four times the day that Gina and Cynthia were found.

And she told them she was leaving Derek and stopping this whole street life. During the phone call, Derek actually grabbed the phone and told her mother to leave them alone. He then took X-X-E and four other women, including Karen Jones to California, because he claimed they could make all this money in California and Arkansas cops were all over their shit, so they had to get out.

This doesn't even sound like these girls were like willing to be working for him. It sounds like there was some bad shit happening. She had died somewhere between midnight and 2 a.m. according to the autopsy. The head was removed possibly while she was dying or unconscious. That's so graphic. Yeah. The cause of death was they said if it wasn't obviously, if she wasn't decapitated while live,

it would have been gunshot one to the back of the head, but it was hard to tell because she had been frozen. There was just all these things. There was also a 25 caliber bullet found in her head. It's, then I'm going back to the fact that Carol has kids and I'm like, they must not have been in the house at this point. No, I assume they weren't have been in the house at this point

No, I assume they weren't that's the thing I can never really find right where they were at any given time right But it they said it must have taken about 15 to 20 cuts to sever her head He had washed her head like I said he had frozen it applied makeup to it There was necrophilia happening They also determined the head had been placed in the box and put in the parking spot only hours before it was found. Interesting. Which suggests that the killer had kept the head for several days before dumping it.

Now that evening Doug had woken Carol up to tell her he killed two sex workers that evening. He said he saw them together, but only wanted to exe and eventually got her in the car alone. He shot her in the back of the head as she performed oral sex on him. That was like his thing. I was going to say. He then cut off her head with a buck knife. He then realized Karen Jones saw him pick exe up. So he went back and found her walking down the street and just shot her dead where she stood. And she was pregnant woman. Yeah. And she was shot just because she was there and could possibly I do him. Wow. Yep. And it was a few days later, like I said,

that Carol had seen the head on the kitchen counter and he said, can you put makeup on it? So she was also the one who bought the wooden box to place it in and helped him wrap it in another victim's clothing to dispose of it. Oh, and that's so sad because that shirt said daddy's girl and that girl lost her father and was so torn out. Isn't that like really fucked up like another way or just fucking disgusting terrible ness? He's the worst.

Now they had the same murder weapon now, they know, because the bullets are being recovered from all these victims' heads. And also Karen Jones was found about three miles from Exi Wilson, and they were about two miles from where Cynthia Chandler and Gina Morano were found. So it's all in the same area. The media is now going nuts. Of course. They were dubbing this, the sunset slasher, the sunset slayer.

They were really focusing on the similarities between these killings and the hillside stranglers as well. Saying that, you know, this killer was killing two women at a time in some cases. There were a ton of press conferences where they were keeping a lot of information close, obviously, because it was helping. But they were encouraging people to call in

with information they were offering rewards. And this was interesting to me. This case also now had California's first female detective team on it. Hell yeah. Hell in Kitter and Peggy York. This team of detectives is said to be part of the inspiration for the Cagney and Lacey television series. Kitter also was the LAPD's first female bomb technician. She was also one of the first females to attend the FBI Academy at Quantico. Yes, the... They actually became partners because none of them wanted to work with them. I think that's iconic.

That's hilarious. Cool. Fuck all y'all. We're gonna go do this together. We're gonna be an iconic team. We're gonna kill it. Like, fuck off. Dynamic duo.

Now, in case you were wondering, Derrick Albright was questioned because of his connections. Yeah, that was Karen Jones. Like fuck off. Dynamic duo. Now in case you were wondering, Derek Albright was questioned because of his connection. Yeah, I was carrying Jones for that. And Exi Wilson, he was leko and never considered a suspect after that. Just an asshole. They were, he just an asshole. Now during this time, Doug Clark was still frequenting bars and strip, obviously. In what time, sir? I'm saying. And one bartender named Donnie L. Patton,

and this was in the trial transcripts I found, recalled that he came in a lot, he came in with Carol, and they were also able to identify through a picture that he came in with Cynthia Chandler. Wow. He spoke very openly to this bartender about his sexual needs, and said he got bored when he couldn't be violent and aggressive during sex.

How does that come up while the bartenders are handing you your butt-wise? Oh, it gets even worse. He also said he loved picking up sex workers because it made him feel superior because according to him they were so beneath him. Oh, they're so beneath. Yeah, they're beneath their services. And it's like, yeah, there's nothing is beneath you, sir. One night, he excitedly told this bartender that he had found his new sexual high. And he said, this poor bartender. His new sexual high was that he would have sex

with a sex worker and during the sex, he would slit her throat because the jerking motions of the body as she died were exciting to him. So this bartender was like, I know know nowhere in my brain did I think that anyone would in reality say this or do this? No. So they were like, so I thought he was just this like wacko or like, he was like drunk or just telling me these weird fantasies that he had that like, like he couldn't talk to anyone else. So he was like, they reported it later, obviously.

Yeah, but they were like, I wish I did it earlier. But they were like, I didn't think anyone would ever do something like that. No, of course that just didn't feel real to me. But guess what, the world is the most fucked up place. It sure is. So June 30th, 1980, the body of Marnet Comer, also known as a Net and Davis,

was discovered off-foot hill hill Boulevard near the highway. Foot hill Boulevard. She was down in a ravine under a filthy old mattress. Two people hiking saw her sticking out from underneath it. So terrible. This was the foot hill that Doug confessed to earlier. Marnet Cari Comer was born in Sacramento, California on May 21, 1963. She was the second of five children. She did have kind of a tough child, so she ran away a lot. She started sex work when she was 14.

Oh, that's really sad. She was 17 when she was murdered. Wow. And yeah, so when she, the evening that she had gone missing, she was actually on the phone with her older sister, Sabra, and she had told her, okay, weird.

Oh, oh my God, I didn't even make that connection. Do you know what's weird when I wrote that name? I was like, why do I know that name? And it just didn't even, I was doing it late at night. Weird. Sabra, whoa. If you're not picking up on it

in the hillside stranglers, that's wild. I did not, because that's not like Susie, you know? No, that's like a whaless wow. That's brilliant. Yeah, Soverehannon was like a huge part of the hillside strangler, that's case. Wow, wow, wow. I love that you didn't even realize that. No, and you're so deep in this that you're like, that's what it is.

Sobre, and then she didn't even realize that. And you're so deep in this that you're like, that's what it is. And then she then, then that's happened. It's so funny though that you said that because when I was doing it late at night, when I wrote this part, I was like, I wrote this part. And when I saw Sabra, I was like, why do I know that name? Like I was like, that's not a name that you hear a lot.

So I was like, Sabra, why do I know that name? That's exactly where it was. That's so crazy. That's wild. So she was on the phone with her older sister, Sabra. Not Sabra, Hannah. And she had told her, I'm sick of this life. I want to stop.

I want to get a degree. I want to take a different path. Yeah. It's sad that this was like, she wasn't the only one that was done with this life. No, that's what killed me. And it happens a lot. So much. That last night that she was on the strip, she was wearing a pink t-shirt with the words

daddy's girl on it. She was found nude when they found her on the hike. She had been dead for 20 to 90 days. So she was well before Chandler and Marano. She was the first victim that they know of. Her remains were actually mummified. She had three gunshot wounds to the chest. were actually mummified. She had three gunshot wounds to the chest. They were 25 caliber bullets, just like the other victims. And besides the bullet wounds, though, she had also been gutted with a knife. And he said that. And he said that. How was she mummified? Because she had been under a mattress, and I guess like where she was in the ravine, she liked the heat and everything. She had just been mummified. Wow. Yeah. It was like where she was and whatever the weather was. But it appeared whoever did this was also trying to, like, remove organs, like Jack the

Ripper. Interesting. Mm-hmm. So another press conference was held and the investigator showed the media at the box where Exi Wilson's head was found in it. They did this to get eyes on it, see if someone recognized it. Right. Because it was like a little unique.

It was like, yeah, I was in ticket, like you said. It had like brass type latches and designs on it. And because of them doing this, they did get information. Okay. The box was made by a Texas company called Chicago Arts. So as they know that they're able to trace that. And you said that Carol had bought the box. She had bought it. Now they were able to determine that the gun used

in all of these murders was a 25 caliber Ravens. Investigators in Arrow down that 30 had been sold that year and two of them were sold to Carol Bundy. That's crazy, that only 30. Only 30. Or you sold that year. But the police were like, eh, we're not looking for a woman. So it can't be her.

How about the time when a lady fucking called you and said, hey, I know the killer. How about that? I'm like, yeah, they didn't even fall off with it. In fact, Doug Clark had actually convinced her to buy those, obviously, because one of the things that he had said to her was he had a fantasy about shooting a girl on the head while having sex with her. Like, he just wanted to kill women during sex. That was like his thing.

Now around this time Doug told Carol of another serious sex worker he had killed, named Water Tower. That's what he had referred to her as. What dick? And he said he was calling her that because he dumped her near a Water Tower in Hollywood. He had picked her up and shot her in the back of the head as she performed oral sex on him. He said he had raped her post-mortem than dumped her, and she remains Jando 18 in this case. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah.

What we find out later is that Carol was sometimes in the car when he did these things. Yeah, of course she was. And not a passive bystander who found out after the fact. No. And I'm sure she was more than just a fucking car. Then on August 9th, a male victim turned up. So I saw that because I was looking at pictures of them

and then there were victims' photos popped up and I was like, what? She was found murdered in his own van on Barbara Ann Street. He had been found dead. He had been dead for about five days when he was found and he was missing his head. He had several stab wounds to his body about nine or ten and his genital area and It had been sliced and stabbed as well. They also found shell casings at the scene. He was identified as 45-year-old Jack Murray. Oh my god. Yup.

I have to wonder who sliced that. And I'm gonna end here for part two. Okay, you know what? Usually I'm like, no, but today I'm like, you're like, you know what? Let's end this. Let's end this. Cause wowie, cause I'm like,

this is a gnarly one. Yeah. Very gnarly. This is like, I would say like, as gnarly as the Hellside Stranglers just in a totally different way. Oh, a totally different way, but it is so similar. Like so, in weird ways.

It's just like every weird way. Like every like 10 to 15 minutes, I was like, but wait, you're like, connect. And if that sounds familiar, and I was like, it does sound familiar. It's just a wild one, and that's why I had to do it,

because it connects so like hand in hand with hillside stranglers. And then part two, we even bring Veronica back into it. So it's like, whoa. I know because in like maybe toward like the end of this, I was like, oh wait, I have to wait for part two to figure out, I even have Veronica. I think it was when we got to the Sabra.

I was like, what about Veronica? Wait a second. I don't even know when that's coming. It's crazy. Wow. It truly is. All right, well, we hope people are listening. And we hope you keep it weird. I just like, you know, not so weird

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