Morbid - Episode 262: The Sunset Strip Killers Part 2

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

Part two of The Sunset Strip Killers is here! We find out  what happened with Jack Murray’s murder and who exactly carried that out…*wink wink nudge nudge.* Eventually someone loses it and turns on the other, and Carol and Doug land themselves in prison. Guest appearance by Veronica Compton. "Cathy" Doe Network  Valencia Jane Doe  Malibu Jane Doe  Newhall Jane Doe  As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Get up to fourteen free meals—including free shipping! —when you use code morbid14 at HelloFresh.com/morbid14 BetterHelp: Special offer for Morbid listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid AMC Shudder: To try Shudder free for 30 days, go to shudder.com and use promo code morbid Gabi: Go to Gabi.com/MORBID to start saving today! It’s totally free! Scribd: Right now, Scribd is offering our listeners a FREE 60-day trial! Go to Try.Scribd.com/MORBID for your free trial. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, Weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid. It still is never gonna change. Always will be. Long live the world. I Yeah, that we would be like very old. Yeah, I hope anyways. Yeah, I mean, I hope so these days I'm like maybe not maybe who knows

We're gonna be here for a while. I love it, but I don't know what to say. I just go, ah! That's what people think to do. I love it personally. So this episode is actually the sequel, if you will, to the first sunset strip slayer episode. It was supposed to come out a little earlier,

but this week, I'm terribly sorry. It was a clusteruck of a week. It was my youngest birthday and then the twins started kindergarten, which is like emotions. Emotions. Emotions. Emotions. Yes.

Daniel Tiger King. Like, cops did you see that? Emotions. Emotions that I was not ready to have or deal with are confront. So it just like got us a little behind on everything. So I apologize, because we are trying to get on like a stricter schedule, because I think you guys deserve that,

and we wanna give it to you. Listen, here's the deal. What we're trying to do here, is we're trying to put it up a so it's on Tuesdays and Fridays. Because here's our thoughts. You guys have thoughts about this. I'm down on Mondays. Yes.

Tuesday just feels like a fun day to get out. It feels like a good beginning of the week, but not too beginning of the week. It does. Then it gives us time to get our shit together on Wednesday and Thursday, a little more. Exactly. It's a research time up in there.

And then we were gonna give it to you on Thursday, but then that would be too much time in between episodes from Thursday to Tuesday. You were Saturday. Well, you know, too much time. So it's the same, you're right. It's the same, because we were thinking if we did Thursday, then you'd have to wait

all the way till Tuesday for the next one. But if we did Saturday, you're waiting too long between Tuesday and Saturday. Exactly. We figured Friday was a nice, happy medium. People are still at work. And then on Sunday, you get screen. Exactly. So we're trying to make it work. And then on Sunday, you get screen. Exactly.

So we're trying to make it work. We're gonna get it down, I promise. Because you know, it's my neck and it was like a lot louder than I expected. I didn't hear it. I don't know if you heard that. Because you know, like 16 years into this podcast, we're gonna get on a schedule.

Well, the girls started school. So that's gonna make a huge difference. Yeah, the guys for real, I'm still not even sure how to handle it. We look at each other throughout the day. The first day, I looked at alien and I go, I feel like I should have played with them more. Yeah, I was just saying that. Oh, I'm sure.

I don't know if parents agree with me. Maybe I'm crazy. Sorry, I'm not. I'm not. But John and I were literally like, I just want to play a game with them. Yeah, I just want to do a puzzle. them. I just want to do a puzzle. Can we play memory? Can we play with your frozen barbies?

Because I just want to watch Blooming. I should have done it more. I didn't do it enough, and now I can't. And then they got home at a certain time, and I'm like, OK, I have to spend an hour with them before I leave. Or else I'm not going to feel like I'm going to. But the upside of all that crazy emotions is that it is allowing us to get a little more on a schedule

which I did not anticipate. So hopefully that will that will be happening soon. We're gonna make it happen. Because we love you. We just want to be happy. We want to give you guys the dessert that you've been fucking amazing. You guys are incredible. You guys have hung around. You've dealt with our erratic schedule for years. You've dealt with us. You dealt with us. So, we appreciate you so much. We just always want you to know that. So, we feel really lucky that we get to do this every day. So, I've been thinking about that lately.

Just like how lucky we are. I feel very lucky. And I'm just very appreciative of you guys. So, thanks so much. So, sometimes I'm like, oh, wow, this is still happening. Yeah, I just thank you. I'm just very appreciative. And I feel like we, oh, wow, this is still happening. Yeah, I just thank you. I'm just very appreciative.

And I feel like we should let you know every once in a while. So with all that hunky's dory stuff, I'll say it way down. You know, now that I've just like gooed all over you with happiness, that sounded kind of dirty, but not, it really didn't. We're gonna have like your monster. Where can I go?

Into part two of Doug Clark and Carol Bundy, the sunset strip slayers, the sunset strip killers. Sonset strip slayers, for still all of the time twisted. The idiots in second of all is so stupid. Why do we give them these names? They always get them. Why don't we call them the sunset dinghy? Why don't we call them dinguses plural?

Why don't we call them gross? Because that's what we are. They are gross, these two. And when we left you last time, because I know it's been a couple of days, we left you with the discovery of Jack Murray's dead headless corpse in a van that he used to carry on. His affairs with Carol and other women.

Yeah. He was found headless, you know? Yeah. Just missing his head. The fact that he straight up decapitated him. Yeah. That's a lot. That's what kind of, like all of these people are bad,

you know, like everybody's bad. Yeah, it's just like different to police. And like the hillside stranglers, like Horith Hill. But then when you get to like decapitation, it's just like, it's a whole extra layer to the evil on you. Because killing and like, you know, hurting people for sport and just for thrill and stuff

is so inhuman to most of us anyway. But something about removing somebody's head is just a whole different galaxy. Because it's like a different level of dehumanity that I can't even want. Yeah, because it's like what, you know, it's an identifying someone. It's like all their features are on their head, you know? And I don't know, it's just weird.

Just terrifying. So yeah, Jack was found dead in his van. Police had received the call to come check out the van when people were starting to smell something really awful emanating from inside of it. I don't know. Because it had been there for about four or five days in the dead of summer in California, it was in August.

I leave like, you know, I did one sleeve fish tacos in my car, which is real, like I'll never live it down. So I know might as well tell all of you. She never will. My family will never let me live it down. I was also like 19 and then I was the most horrified. It's like disgusting, like I'm trash, horrified. It's like I'm disgusting. I'm trash, so I don't know what to tell you.

Over night. Only one night and I got in the car the next day, I can't even explain to you at the scent. Yeah, because think about how hot a car gets. Well, that's exactly what I mean. I mean, people die from being left inside of a car. Like that inside of a car gets outrageously hot. Yes.

Never mind in the dead of summer. In like California. In for five days. Yeah. Whoa. Oh man. I mean, and at this point, I mean, I'm very obviously by what she has just done.

Carol is losing it. Carol's losing it. She's been involved in these like, and you know, she was involved in like covering things up, disposing of things. She got the guns for him. Like like there's just a lot going on she's starting to unravel at the seams and her co-workers are starting to see it as well as everyone else around her yeah she's just starting to be off she's cut you can tell she's just a mess um what I did find out because I think I know I was

wondering and I couldn't find anything about it and I think you had asked about it last time, like where are her children? Because you have to wear our children. And this whole time, I'm like, where are they? Because she literally has a decapitated head in her hole. And she's like, going to this bar every night and I'm like, where are you? And again, I don't know how old they were because you literally can't find that, which I'm kind of glad. But I was like, what's going on here?

I did find out that her two sons were staying with her mother-in-law in another state for like months at a time. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, so at least that clears that up that I think. Because this didn't take too long to happen this year. Right. So I think for the bulk of it, they were gone.

Well, like when, you know, when Exy Wilson's head was found on the counter in the kitchen when Carol walked in, they were gone. Well, when, you know, when XC Wilson's head was found on the counter in the kitchen, when Carol walked in, they were gone. They were in the state. I was kind of imagine like finding that out that that was what your mom was doing. Like that must be heartbreaking.

It's, I can't even fathom it. I really can't. And it's like so many people, like I was reading, you know, some of the books I was reading about this, some of the authors were like just like marinating in the idea that like, all of these people, all their families had to deal with like, so many levels of like, even Jack Murray's family.

Yeah. His kids had to deal with like, finding out all of his secrets and like, you know, even his wife. Yeah. But it was already going through the group of like, he's treating on me with all these women. Yeah, and then this happened. And that's just obviously different kind of things.

There's so many layers of awful. Did it hurt? Did it hurt? Did it hurt? Yeah, it's just every direction you look, it's just like shit. In this case of very tragic things. I couldn't wait to be done with this case.

I'm gonna see you later goodbye after this. But yeah, it was just so Carol was really having a time at this point. She had called her ex-husband at this point. If you remember Richard Geiss, he was the nice one. He was the nice one. And she had told him, you know, I have something to tell you. And I'm starting to stress out and he's like, what is going on?

Right. And she was like, Doug's a serial killer. Doug is the sunset strip slayer. And I'm very afraid. And Richard's like me. And he was like, what the fuck, you gotta get out of there? Like he was literally like, you gotta get out of there. Well, she hung up the phone.

I'd also be like, don't implicate me in this shit now that I know that. Well, then, so she's like, what the hell am I supposed to do here? Call the police. So then she calls him back. And she's like, no, I was just joking. Like, don't worry about it, I was joking.

That was just like, I'm Carol. Ah, lol. Like, whoo, funny joke. And Richard said like, I didn't know if I should believe her, not like, I don't know because he was like, remember, everyone involved in this is a pathological liar. Right. So it's like, Carol, Doug, Jack, everybody. They're all pathological liars.

You can't. Who knows what is true as far as you can throw them? And it's like, so he just didn't know. He was like, it could have been true. It could have been false. I have no idea what to do. So he just didn't do anything. Is what is he supposed to do?

Well, yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, you could call the police. I was like, it's probably called a police. But it's a weird situation, I suppose. But then you're going to call the police, and especially the LAPD at this time, you're going to be like, hey, my ex just said that her new Bay is the sunset strip killer. Then she said, J.K. L.O.L.

just wanted to let you guys know. Just, uh, do you guys want to do anything with that? They'd be like, absolutely not. We don't want to do anything with that. They'd be like, she said J.K. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill? Or are they made to kill?

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. Because remember, literally, because remember, during the Hillside Strangler case, when Jan was calling them up, they were like, hey, I literally just witnessed somebody get like, they tried to shove this girl into a car, I saved her life. They were like, your grave here is exactly what they look like down to the acne scars on his neck and they were like, you're gonna go home.

Yeah, go home, lady. Like, holy shit, direct quote. What the fuck? And it's, well, and even this one, like, didn't they tell somebody like, I don't know what to tell you? Yeah. Or they didn't even put two and two together

about the notebooks and everything. Like, Mindy Cohen is calling and she's like, hey, so I met those two girls. I can tell you everything about them. Right. A couple minutes ago, I got this really scary call from a guy who said he was a detective clerk. And he said, he knows everything about it.

And he also said he's gonna come kill me. And they were like, that's a prank deal with it, but knows everything about it. And he also said he's gonna come kill me. And they were like, that's a prank deal with it. But, do it with it. Okay. Okay, so I think Richard was probably like, okay, I'm just gonna stay over here. Yeah, stay in my lane. But before Jack Murray was found murdered in his van,

she was still trying to see him at the bar. She was still at like, really into Jack's, still trying to, even though she's with Doug, because none of these people are like, you know, these are like real monogamous relationships or anything, they are just like using each other for whatever they can use each other for. So she had been seeing him at the bar

that he's saying at more and more, she's trying to entice him to come back into her life. I just keep picturing Toby Keith says this bar. I see, I've never been to that one. Neither have I. I have only one. Okay. I was like, I can see.

You think I'm chilling in Toby Keith? I was like, here I am saying I can happily say, I've never been in that. I've only just walked by it, but my mom used to frequent that bar. So that is true. And you know what? I think it's like every country bar.

Yeah, that's a little Nashville. I feel like that's every single country bar we can, I can picture it too. Now, after getting like, sourced one night at the bar, she was like, I gotta tell you something, Jack. And he's like, what? And she's like, Doug murder sex workers. That's something he does.

And I have helped him clean and dispose of some of the evidence. One of the things I have done, she was like, remember that victim, Xe Wilson? I helped him get rid of that head. I also put makeup on it and did the hair on the head. When she was like, what do you think? What did Jack say?

What are your thoughts? Jack probably just like said something dickish. Oh no, Jack was like horrified. And he was like, because Jack was like not a good human being at all, but not a murderer. But he, but not that we know of. So it's like, I think that that was his, that might have been its line, I think. But he's not where his line was, but there was. And so she was, but she was shocked.

She thought he was going to be like very into there for me, Jack. And like be into it. And he was like, yeah, I might call the police on Doug. Like he was like, I might report that. Seeders the thing, you don't tell that. That idea to say that. You just say, wowie, I don't wanna know anything about that. Bartender, make it stronger.

And then you go home and quietly call the police. Exactly, I would have literally been like, oh, it's so loud in here, I literally didn't hear a thing you said. Did you say Doug was a great guy? Awesome. Can I have my, here we go, get my beer. Okay, bye. Yeah.

Like later. Later you call the police. Yeah, why is he quietly? But he was like, I don't need, I'm not scared of you. I'm gonna call the police. Like, sorry about it. I'm gonna get him in jail. Oh man.

So she was furious. Of course. And so she decided he's gotta go Oh man. So she was furious. Of course. And so she decided he's gotta go. Oh. And she's furious at him for like some of the reasons. She's furious at him for a million reasons. But that was the cap. So August 5th, she lured him out to his van

with the promise of sex. Now, she had lured him out there with the promise of having sex with her and also the promise that if he did this, that she would bring the 11-year-old, remember Jessica, who's that is not her name, but I'm just not using her real name, 11-year-old the next time,

and that he could have the 11-year-old. What the fuck do you do? I don't want to- It's just all bad. It's just all bad. So what she said was she started by giving him a massage in the van while he was on and he had his pants down Well, he was unaware. She shot him in the head twice Whoa, and he still wasn't dead so she pulled out a knife and stabbed him nine times

She also slashed and stabbed him in the buttocks and genitals. And initially she was just gonna leave him there after this frenzied killing that she did. So this is by herself, Doug's not even there. Totally by herself, according to her story. But she did realize that there were now two bullets in his brain that could be traced back to her and Doug. She was there now, the 25 caliber bullets

from one of the two Raven guns. One of them was like chrome plated, one of them was nickel plated. You would say that. That's how they told them apart. But she was like, this is gonna be traced back to us. So she's like, I gotta do something about this. So she sawed off his head with a boning knife.

So now not only has Doug done this, she's done this. These two evil ass people who found each other sawed off heads. But here's the interesting thing. Now the thing with this case, these two evil-ass people who found each other saw an opportunity to come. But here's the interesting thing. Now the thing with this case, there's a lot of different feelings about it, because Doug to this day, as we'll see, maintains that he is a shit pile,

but he has not done this stuff. And what he said, and what he did through the whole trial, was that it was Jack and Carol who did all this and that Carol turned on Jack, but when you turn it around None of the there's evidence that can point to some of that or some of them in the seven and second point that point right to So I wonder maybe if they were just all doing this together. There's also that there's people who think that the three of them We're doing this together and that they had to mix one of them. And Jack was the one who exactly. So there's also this thing where pathologist said, a forensic pathologist said when he looked at

the exe Wilson decapitation and the Jack Murray decapitation, the way that it was done seemed like it was done by the same person. Interesting. Which is interesting because they said it was like a very like jagged trend, the same which on the other, no, you could say that could be someone who has never cut someone's head off before. Right. Or just the love. Even the tool that they use. Exactly.

Maybe they're using the same boning knife. So there's so many things in here and as we'll see, a lot of people aren't around to talk about it anymore. Right, that's very frustrating. But it's interesting, it's definitely, there's a lot of very strong feelings either way. I don't know. I can safely say I don't know.

You really don't have any. I have no idea. Do you lean toward anything? I know Doug Clark is a murderer. Yeah, of course. I know that. I know that. I know that. But I know it in your bones.

But I'm like, was anyone else involved? I don't know. I feel like my feelings, if I had to pick one, is that it's Doug. It's Doug and Carol. Oh, that's it. But sometimes you can be like, ooh, maybe. I love that, I guess.

Now, after she cut off Jack's head, she put in a grocery bag and she left with it in the car. Put the grocery bag on the passenger side and seat, and drove off. What a fucking life, dude. Right? Like, you can just get in a car with a severed head that you have just, just liberating from someone's body.

Wow. Yeah, that's next level. You just drive a vehicle after that. Yeah. How do you drive a vehicle after killing a man? You have to be. Cutting off his head and then his head is sitting right next to you.

You just must have no feelings. Yes, there has to be nothing there. That is so bananas to me. Well, she drove to the apartment that she was sharing with Doug. Doug actually was with his another girlfriend. Also, was she called to landlord at this apartment still? No, this was after he had kicked member Jeanette had made him kick. Oh, yeah, yeah.

But I thought he set her up in like a different apartment. He did, but it was a whole landlord. He just helped her get it. I'm looking at the telecoms here. You're like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't. But I appreciate the thought. But so Doug had another girlfriend in the apartment that this happened.

And this is interesting. I read in a couple of places that she called Doug on the way to the apartment and told him excitedly, was hysterically excited, what she had just done and he was like okay you need to get here right now and we need to figure this out. And then when she arrived there there were paramedics there because his girlfriend had had a seizure. Oh my gosh. But what a lot of people think is that she heard the phone conversation. Yeah and had like something happened. Yeah. But

obviously these these isn't a few sources I saw interesting nonetheless either way She did have a girlfriend there the night and there are no addicts were there. Yeah, wow So weird, but and when she called him she was like I did this for you like to save you So you wouldn't go to jail like this is for you and according to Doug Carol wanted to put the head on a fence post to have somebody just find it. But that doesn't make sense to me. And again, remember, they're all pathological liars trying to save their own asses.

It doesn't make sense to me because the whole reason she removed the head in the first place, according to her, was so the bullets wouldn't be traced back to them. If they leave the head somewhere, they're leaving the bullets. But why is she so worried about that now? Because they left to Exi's head in the box out in the open. So I almost part of me wants to believe Doug that she did want to do that. Because I don't know. Because why did she? And then it's like, maybe she just removed his head out of rage. You know, just like Doug did to Exi. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. Again, no matter which way you look at it, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.

No, and it's fucked up, you know what? Which is probably good to make sense to us. Exactly, that doesn't make sense to us. Exactly, I didn't want it to make sense. Don't make it make sense. No. But she says, you know, after they talked about it for a minute, they decided they were just going to throw it in the trash.

Okay. So they said they pulled up to a trash can and threw it inside. It was never found. So they didn't do that. It was never found with the fuck is the head. They probably like threw it in a body of water. That's the thing. So I'm like, where's that? Because the, or maybe the pathologist only had the neck portion to like look at

to say that they were both removed by the same person. Right. But it's like, would the head have told a different story? I don't know. Yeah. I'm very interesting. Now, when the police were called to the scene days later, they found Jack's body.

They also found a bullet casing. She forgot to pick up one of the bullet casings. See, that's another thing where I'm like, if you did that, then you obviously weren't that worried about it because you know that that happens. You're shooting a gun all the time. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.

But maybe in the frenzy of the moment again. Exactly. Now, August 11th, the same day that Jack was found, Carol told her supervisor at the hospital. Hey, I'm like stressed out. She's just like in the break room. I forgot that she worked at a hospital. Yes, she still works at a hospital and she's in the break room and she's like, oh, I'm just really stressed out. And they're like, yeah, we can tell like you're like you seem like you're like coming out and rambling. And she was like, yeah, we can tell you're like, you seem like you're kind of unraveling. And she was like, yeah, I know what it is. She was like, it's like, you know what it is? It's my boyfriend, Doug. He's the sunset strip slayer. So like, it's stressing me out night. And they were like, excuse me, Carol. And she was like, yeah, like,

he murders people, like my boyfriend, murder speed. You know that guy in the news that it's like murdering sex workers? That's my boyfriend Doug and it's just a little stressful. Just, just a wee bit. So they were like, okay. And a couple of nurses that were supervising were like, okay, cool. We're gonna be right back. So they just went and called the police and were like, hi, you need to get here right now. Yeah. And the police come and the entire hospital went on lockdown or at least that floor went on lockdown. Oh my gosh.

Somehow she was able to miss the police by scooting down another elevator as they came up. Stopped. And she changed out of her scrubs so she wouldn't be noticed walking out of the hospital and she left and she went back to her apartment. Again, we say it all the time. That is something you would see in a movie,

and you'd be like, there's no way that that would happen. It happened. Wow. It happened. Wow. It happened. It's like so long. The happening.

It's the happening. It's right there. So she went back to her apartment, and she just started gathering all the evidence for the police. So she, I mean, she got like bullets that Doug had kept that like he had told her like, oh, this one I shot Gina Marino with and like this one I did this. She found several pairs of underwear that he said belonged to victims because a lot of them were found without, most of them were found without underwear.

I think all of them were actually because he did keep them. And she then called. she was like, okay, I've gathered all this up. So now she was like, you know what? I got to call the police stations back because they don't know that I'm here. So she called the police stations that were in the different jurisdictions

that the bodies were found. And the only one she could get a hold of right away, I don't remember which one it was. It was like, it wasn't very like, it weren't. wasn't very like noted in many of the sources. I saw like two different ones, so I don't want to pick one and just say it. One of them that she called and got through, she told the whole story.

She was just like, hello. It's said, girl. They were like, oh, and of course at first, because they've heard from Carol before, and then they figured it was just a prank. Yeah. So they were like, okay, well, why would you decide to like tell us this now?

And she was like, well, I'm confessing now because I finally committed a murder of my own, on my own. And she said, you know, Doug was really pissed about it. And she was like, you know, I'm just upset. We've been fighting about it. And I'm just over the whole thing. Okay.

I'm just dumb with this. I thought it was gonna make them happy. It didn't bum me out. Imagine receiving this call. That detective was probably like, is this fake? It was like, it has to be fake, right? Cause she's just like, let me tell you everything.

And the detective's trying to keep her on the line at this point. And he said, and so he was like, we'll do you feel remorse for the killing that you did? And she said, according to this detective, the honest thing is it's fun to kill people. And if I was allowed to run loose, I'd probably do it again. I have to say I know it's going to sound sick, it's going to sound kind of psycho, and I really don't think that I'm a psycho, but it's kind of fun. It's like riding

a roller coaster. Not the killing, not the action that someone died because we did not kill them in a way that hurt them. What? It's like a roller coaster. We did not kill them in a way that hurt them. Because according to her, she's like, what, we shot them in the head. And I'm like, well, Jack, you stabbed nine times. Yeah.

After shooting. And she's like, I don't think I'm a psycho. Yeah, I don't think I'm a psycho. Yeah, I don't think I'm a psycho. And I think you have a lot of mental illness, Carol. I think you need to talk to somebody like Aisa. But before the call was over, so the detectives like, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Like, oh, my pen died. Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go like 10 officers surrounded her home. Yeah, I was waiting for that part. And while they were there, so should they come in, they got her without incident, she was like ready to go, but she was like, wait, I have waiting for that part. And while they were there, so they come in, they got her without incident.

She was like, ready to go, but she was like, wait, I have all this evidence. So she starts handing them like the bullets, the underwear, and she's like, wait, that filing cabinet, let me open it. And they were like, what's in that file? Yeah, like maybe not. And they were like, no, like you can help me,

like I'm giving you permission to like help me open this. This is in my house, like I will help you open it. So they open it up and she pulled out a file and she gave it to them and it was a bunch of photos of Doug with the 11 year old Jessica. Oh God. And she was like boom, there it is.

Oh, that breaks my heart. So that's the other thing. It's like the people who are like, because I've seen like sources where they're like, Doug didn't do this. And I'm like, I don't give a shit. What Doug did? He did that.

And you're obviously saying explicit photographs. Yes, explicit photographs. Oh, that's horrible. And then it's like, Carol, you're sitting there fucking taking them. You're disgusting. Of course. Exactly.

They're all horrific monsters. And it's like, he's exactly where he needs to be. Yeah. But she confessed to it all. She said she killed Jack. She explained why she did it. She said it was after she had cleaned and helped Doug dispose of Exi Wilson's head

that she had invited in Jack and that she got scared and had to get rid of him. So she just let it all out. Now about Exi Wilson's murder, she said afterwards, quote, we had a lot of fun with her head, where I had my fun was with the makeup. I was making her over like a big Barbie doll.

Dude, that's what she said. She is so mentally ill. Yeah, so why? Now here's where things, so this case is wild because there's three Jane Does in this case that are attributed to Doug Clark. That's really sad. It is really sad. So the first one was found after the after they were arrested. And it was on August 26, 1980, and she's referred to as the Valencia Jane Doe,

because of where she was found. Sure. She was found by a highway worker who was looking after, like, around the water towers in the area. This was the murder that Doug had referred to at one point to Carol and called her water tower. She was discovered near the Sierra Highway in Antelope Valley, which I don't know where that is, but Californians, you do, I bet. When he stumbled upon the body, it was just like scattered bones. It was like very skeletal.

There was also like, he said it was like horrific. It was smelled of decomposition. There was like an oily substance, which means she was definitely decomposing there. There was also a clump of blonde hair found nearby. Oh, that's awful. She looked to be about 15 to 20 years old, but when they did reconstruct her face,

the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children did, they still haven't identified her. When you look at the reconstruction, she looks way more on the younger side of that scale. The 15 to 20. She looks 15. Oh. Yeah, she looks very, very young. They believe she had been dead one to two months before she was found.

She's also labeled as Jane Doe 18 right now. The cause of death they were found was a gunshot wound to the back of the head. The remains were only wearing like a red sweatshirt they could find. They didn't find any other clothing. That bullet in her skull was a 25 caliber bullet. So that's why it's a tripina. Yeah. Two days after they found that Jane Doe,

they found another Jane Doe. Wow. Jane Doe 99, she was discovered in an embankment in Malibu in a very secluded area. She's known as Malibu Jane Doe. She was small like five foot three, like very tiny build. She had blonde hair.

She was estimated to be about 20 years old as well. She was nude with a black tank top and black skirt around her waist. There was a clump of her own hair beneath her like blonde hair and she had died of a gunshot wound to the head as well and it was from a 25 caliber raven. If you look them up you can find them on the dough network, and it will give you like, you know, the little, they didn't really have a lot of features that were distinguishing marks or anything with them because a lot of them had been dead for a long time, but they are fairly certain, you know, they're attributing these two, and then one other one, two Doug Clark and Carol Bundy, but they think at the end of the day,

they are attributing like 25 people to him. But the police have, they've never released why or who else. Or I think they must be actively still working on these because I wanna know who else they're attributing to him and why, but it's interesting. And especially because according to Carol, you know, she would talk to people and say, and she said on the stand that he told her he'd been murdering since he was 17. Right. He had at least up to 50 people that he had murdered. So maybe that is true. It could be true. Again,

everybody's just a fucking liar in this case. So no. So Doug is obviously brought in with her because she implicated him right away. Yeah. And Doug's interrogation was just him blaming Carol. Completely. Oh, of course. Carol did it. He said he and Carol went together to troll for sex workers

and had three sums with sex workers and were involved in it all together. But he said, I was not involved in any murder. And he kept saying, I just like, don't kink shame me. I just like, oh, yeah. You were involved with an 11-year-old. Well, that's before they let them know that they had that. So then as soon as that got slapped down in front of them,

he's like, yeah, what are you gonna see? He clamped right up. Because that's for us. For us, too. Yeah, exactly. Because they were like, is this, don't kink shame me like pedophile right like wamp and just clammed right up now another woman came forward saying I recognize him that guy that you just arrested because of course it was on the news right so she

comes forward she says wait I have a story gosh. Now, her name is Charlene. And she testified that, and this is from the court transcripts, she testified that around 10 p.m. April 27, 1980, so the same year. She was on sunset Boulevard. She said a man who identified at trial as Doug Clark approached driving a blue station wagon and solicited an act of oral copulation. After she entered the car, defendant suddenly began stabbing her repeatedly in the back neck, arms, chest, and stomach. Oh my gosh. In the ensuing struggle, Charlene grabbed the knife by the blade. The blade severed tendons in her hands, like severely hurt her hands. At one point, she said,

Mr. that's blood you're hurting me. And he laughed at her and said, I know. What? So she was finally able to like, fight him off. Like she was fighting tooth and nail. And then she finally was able to

open the car door and literally roll out of the car. And he just threw her shoes in per seater and drove away. Oh my god. And she later identified him from a lineup and then pointed to him in court and was like, that's the guy. Wow. Yeah. Now Carol confirmed this.

She said, oh yeah, after that, he came right back to the apartment and he was covered in blood and like a wild animal. Like super pissed. To like just pissed, am, like all of it. And she just helped him wash off, and she also put together a kill bag for him. So it would make it easier with knives and cleaning supplies

and rubber gloves and such, because we got to make this more efficient. What the fuck? Yep. He was charged with six counts of murder, three charges of sexual misconduct with a minor, mutilation of human remains, attempted murder and mayhem on Charlene, and accessory after the fact for helping Carol dispose of

Jack's head. They ended up making a deal with Carol. She had to testify for the prosecution, of course, and she would get full immunity for testifying, but immunity in the sense that she would not get the death penalty. She would only get life in prison. Okay. Which that's she just got away, I guess. Right. So she claimed as well that there was another murder while they were talking to her. She was like, wait, I don't think you have this one on the register. Jesus Christ. They didn't know about this one. So it was the murder of a sex worker. She claimed she only knew was named Kathy. This is our third Jane Doe. Oh, wow.

Now, from the court transcript again, it says, quote, according to Bundy, she in defendant picked up a young blonde prostitute who called herself Kathy. Bundy first watched while Kathy orally copulated defendant. Then upon defendant's signal, Bundy gave him her chrome raven pistol, defendant shot Kathy in the head. Defendant and Bundy took the body, stripped it and left it in isolated area near

Saga. Now I looked it up and at first I was like, oh, I was like Malibu's only like an hour away. And at first I was like, oh my God, is this the other, is this Malibu is only like an hour away. And at first I was like, oh my God, is this the other, is this Malibu Jando? It kind of seems like blonde, everything, it's the same. But no, they found this Jando as well. Oh my God. Her remains were skeletal when she was found. But the Dough Network says that her distinguishing features, because they don't even have a reconstruction of her,

like they have nothing. Her distinguishing features where she had a very high forehead, she also had a very slight build. As for dental, they said the lower right side molar was missing and the upper left side molar was missing and she had a slight over bite. Okay. You can look it up on the dough network.

She's Kathy from the Doug Clark Carol Bundy case. Obviously if anybody has information on any of these Jane Does, they're a great person to call in the Center for Missing and Exploited Children. But it's really sad, because they said she looked to be about 17. Oh my gosh. And Carol also said that they weren't even sure

that she was dead when they dumped her. What the fuck do you think? How are you that evil? You just don't care. There's so much evil here. It's just like, it's wild. And this is also when she mentioned in the interrogation that they had an agreement they came up with,

that if Carol was in the car and she said, boy, am I having a blast? That that meant that when they picked up a girl that that meant she wanted to kill her. Yup, it's like, boy, granny and they got the code. All of these have like Catherine Bernie and David Bernie. They had a code too. Like I have the munchies or something like that.

Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking. But I think Ian and Myra had one too. I think I thought theirs was I have the munchies. Yeah, these, yeah, they're, who knows. They're all fucked up. Either way. I don't remember. Terrible. But the prosecution was actually, because at first, of course, David, or David, Doug is like,

I don't know what she's talking about. What do you talk about? Sure. The prosecution was able to later during the trial admit into evidence writings by Doug, where he described this murder and his involvement. Wow. He tried to have them tossed out of evidence because he said they weren't collected properly or admittedly, glee or something, but it was there.

Now, there was also a piece of paper with that was found in his wallet that also pointed to this, obviously, being a true story. It was just this random piece of paper and he wrote down all these weird little notes on it. The first one said Mindy C and then her telephone number. This was Mindy Collins actual telephone number. Then it says B Hills not working.

Beverly Hills not working, I'm assuming. Friend of Cindy's, which Mindy was a friend of Cynthia who people called Cindy. He did admit many times, he admitted during trial that he did hang out with Cynthia Chandler, one of the victims a couple of times before. So I think that might be what he's referring to. Friend of Cindy's is Mindy. Right, right. He wrote Pretty. And then on the back of the note, it says, Cindy telephone number, room bottom left. And this was someone not identified. But the number was connected to the Palm Motel on Sunset Boulevard, where sex workers were known to work and hang out.

So it could have been that. He then wrote blonde hooker 30. And then at the bottom, he wrote Kathy to. Kathy. Yeah. So people were like boom, there's Jared and I every three. Now after searching his apartment, they were able to like finally getting to like actually search the apartment. Right, they were more.

Yeah, they were finally able to get through that filing cabinet because she's seen, there was more stuff in there. Oh, of course. And yeah, you don't just put that in when the fuck more stuff in there. Oh, of course. And yeah. You don't just put that in with a vaccine on it. No, that's an omit. Exactly.

Now in it was a newspaper that was opened up to a specific page. And it was an article that was talking about the recovery of the box containing X-E Wilson's head. There was also a ton of porn in like all forms. There was even some that was dealing with necrophilia and involving severed heads and severed body parts. So he was definitely into some like really scary shit.

And then all the photos of him with an 11 year old. Yeah, he was like, that's a fucked. That's a hell filing cabinet. Like that is a filing cabinet, a hell. A filing cabinet. Yeah. Also in the apartment was a big painting of a skiing scene. Now this doesn't seem like it should be, you're like,

yeah, that's just like cool. That's just like interesting. I suppose he likes to ski. Bundy stated to the, now Carol Bundy stated to the authorities that she had helped him move some things into the apartment. And one of those things was that large ski painting. Someone else's.

She helped him hang it up. And when she did, he left. And she was like, what are you laughing at? And he was like, see these blood stains? And she was like, holy shit, I didn't see them before, but she said I saw them. And she was like, yeah, those belong to Gina Moreno. And a blood typing expert later confirmed

that the blood did match Gina's blood type. Obviously they couldn't do DNA at the time, but blood typing matched. Right. Now, the garage in Burbank, where he had taken Cynthia Chandler and Gina Marino to rape their dead bodies, he rented a space there, like a storage garage. And police were able to search that too. And they found a ton of like clearly cleaned dark stains on the floor. One was a clear smear of what appeared to be blood, and later they confirmed that they

believed it was blood. They couldn't absolutely confirm it. But it was 2.5 feet wide and 8 feet long. And it was like someone had, like someone covered a blood had been dragged across the floor. There was a boot print made in blood and it matched the boots on Doug Clark's feet at the time of his arrest. Wow.

Yeah. So the deputy district attorney Robert Jorgensen at the time called Doug Clark a cowardly butcher of little girls, which is exactly what he is. Yep. Clark himself was extremely hostile during the trial and got in trouble for Elperse of rage He would literally scream you're like that people in Call of a Mason everybody was like yeah, you look very stable

Keep going like yeah, I don't I was the judge. I'd be like go ahead. Yeah, they were literally like yeah You're definitely looking like someone who didn't murder people who I'm sure you have to say he decided to also pull a Bundy and act as his own defense for a bit Stop it and he claimed Carol did it all with her boyfriend, Jack Murray. And even though the murder weapon, the gun was found in his work locker and only had his prints on it. Yeah. But yeah, that sounds about right. He was also really screwing himself with this like blame,

Carol and Jack thing too, because he was at the time speaking to a former girlfriend while he was in jail. And he was basically asking her to cover for him and shit. And you're like, you don't think anybody's listening and that's always my favorite part. So when they're like on the phone in prison and they're like, so I gotta tell you something, but like you can't tell anybody. Like no one's listening to that.

Like you're in jail. That's still happening. It just happens all the time. You are in the slammer. But I'm like, I'm glad. I'm glad that it's like, there's like, there's like, dumb that they just like, let it out. Keep a little like, higher hitmen from prison.

And think that no one is gonna hear that telephone just do the transaction right from prison. I'd also love to be the person that like gets to listen to those, well like, not all of them, but like, those specific ones where they're like, doing dumb shit like that. And just like, thinking, really, I can feel like, like,, we're just like, just like, thinking, really, idiot. I feel like knock on your cell and be like, really, really, for real.

Well, that would be the problem. I would have a problem not like clicking into the conversation and being like, are you kidding? I'm sorry, are you really this stupid? Are you shitting me? I gotta ask you. Are you really this dumb, sir? I would have a lot of problems with it. Seriously.

But you have to hear a lot of shit. Oh, yeah, no. There's a lot of stuff I don't want to hear. No. No, this former girlfriend who was speaking to was Bretta Jo Lamfear, and they called her Joey. What he didn't realize was that they had telephone records already pulled for the calls that he had made as Detective Clark to Mindy Cohen and Laurie Briggs.

Remember Laurie Briggs was the one whose husband had the business card from part one. You know, I feel it's in a part one, you remember? You should have. I hope so because a lot of this won't make sense. It helps. But those records for June 16, 1980 showed that they came from the home of Joey Lampier. So, but they happened. It was at the time that she was confirmed to be at work.

Huh. But she said Doug had called her at work that afternoon to tell her, hey, I'm at your apartment, I'm gonna do some things. Yeah. The records have that call on there as well, him making the call to her work. Wow.

So it does confirm that he made those, and he intentionally made those calls from his girlfriend's house. What a shit bag. What a shit bag. We already knew. But that's a petty move. Yeah, that is fucked.

Then the July 24th, 1980 telephone call to Mindy Cohen was made at 7.11 a.m. from the phone of the apartment that he shared with Carol. So that one was shared with Carol. So that one was made with Carol's phone, and the other one was made with his other girlfriend's phone. But he even somehow, Lampier still was contacting him,

which is wild. I can 100% tell you that if someone I was dating was a murderer and trying to set you up from my house, snip, that's a it was a murderer and like, called the other people from my house. Yeah. Snip. Yeah, that's a snip. That's grounds for.

Cut him off, sis. That's grounds for ghosting, I'd say. Yeah, ghost that motherfucker. But he wrote to her and she responded and he told her, he was trying to get her to go to different sites of the murders to get information to help him and she. No. And I have a day job, which is a very Kenisbeonky move.

It is. And one of the things he told her to do was to go to the place where Marnec Homer was found. And he said the, and so the media had not released that there was just like one specific thing about that scene where you could see the freeway lights from the spot she was found, even though it was a very remote spot. Okay. It was just something that they had never mentioned. Yeah. even though it was a very remote spot. It was just something that they had never mentioned.

But he in the letters asked her to go to the place where you can quote, see the freeway lights from where Koma Lai and the ravine for 30 days. Wow. So he specifically said where you can see the freeway lights. And he was like trying to write a poem about it. Like what the fuck dude.

He also wrote to her that he was scared if he acted as his own defense, that his voice might be recognizable to Mindy Cohen and Laurie Briggs in court. So he's admitting again that he made those phone calls. And again, you don't think someone's reading this mail before they send it out? Like of course they are.

Oh yeah, and then this is from the court transcript. So apparently he tried to like fuck with evidence as well. It says other writings indicated that out of court ordered examination of physical evidence, defendant, that's Doug. Deliberately handled certain items to place his fingerprints on them so that police would be unable to prove any pre-existing fingerprints.

That defendant had altered his appearance by losing weight and that he had sent case exhibits to a prisoner in the state of Washington for her titillation and amusement. Who was that prisoner, you ask? Oh, I wonder. Who was that prisoner? Who's that girl? It's the time you've all been waiting for. It was Veronica Compton, everybody. I told you it would come full circle. We just had to get there.

We just had to sludge through. Yeah. Now Veronica was already arrested for trying to keep Kenneth Bianchi out of prison or get him out of prison because, you know, she tried to murder an innocent woman. Yeah. Dressed as a pregnant woman to get him out of jail. Correct.

Oh, and she was holding a vial of his semen. Yes. Yeah. Now, as one does. Yeah, of jail. Correct. Oh, and she, and she was holding a vial of his semen. Yes. Yeah. Now, as one does. Yeah, of course. Now, ask Veronica at the time, and she was, I mean, she was pissed. Once she got arrested, she got pissed, because Ken dropped her like a hot potato. Of course he did. What is it? What is it? What is it? What is it? Because he doesn't need an album or because he's a sociopath. He doesn't care about

anybody. And she wrote, she said, quote, Ken was the one who really pressed the issue of the manic copy, copycat killer who was in love with him, killing to emulate him. It was Ken. At the cost of my life, my son, my sanity, which he knew damn well was all but dissipated, he let me die alive. I'm so sorry for the woman, but I still can't believe it was me tightening the rope. It wasn't me in every way, but physically. It was. No, it was. It was you. Yep, that was you. Veronica. Just, just

far too. I remind her on your iPhone for later. It was you. Just ask Kim Breen, the woman that you did it to, she will identify you and say, yep, it was you. Yeah. And you must be mistaken. It was you. Yeah. Now, she was at civil brand prison in Mac security, and Carol Bundy was in a cell near her waiting trial. Now, according to Veronica, Carol used to whisper details of her crimes to her, and she was like obsessed with her. Veronica was obsessed with Carol. Carol was obsessed with Veronica,

who like whispered the details of his crimes. And then Veronica said about Carol, quote, she was convinced I had been Ken's actual murder partner in the hillside case. That illusion gave her the freedom to speak through veiled code to me about the joys of her crimes, reliving their proversities and games she was terrifying, casually talking of decapitations, dressing up faces,

having sex with dead bodies, Doug's favorite. I would think I'm crazy, but I'm not that evil. What the hell has happened? Girl. Like, I love how everybody's like, I'm evil, but not that evil. Like, I tried to murder someone and cold love, but I'm not that evil.

Like, damn. You have found yourself in a wild place in life where you are having to like weigh the evil. And trying to like pat yourself on the back for not being as evil as Carol Bunn. She's like, well, I didn't rigged that down. So I'm not that bad. It's like, oh, you're still trying to take a life.

Pretty bad. Like yeah, you didn't do that. That's bad news. She'll give you a cookie with your lunch. Like what do you think? Now, at Veronica's trial, she said she didn't do that. That's bad news for you. She'll give you a cookie with your lunch. Like what do you think? Now, at Veronica's trial, she said she didn't try to murder that innocent woman to give Ken an alibi, but she just did it because she's an amazing writer and writer should always be hands-on in their craft.

And she was writing about a murderer. So are you. Yeah. And I really hope that you're not hands-on in your craft. I've not that hands-on. Because I've read some of the manuscripts and like sometimes I'm like, what is this picture doing? But like, no, she's doing it.

You can't be that handsome. No. You can't do it. And she said she thought it would just quote, blow people's minds. Yeah. That murder of an innocent mother. Yeah.

Just blow people's minds, man. It would, but like not in the way that you were wanting. And then she said, and I quote, Veronica is a wild, wild person. She said, quote, I'm a very good writer. I'm very into myself very much so. I love myself immensely. I'm very narcissistic. Believe me. I had to have an enormous ego to do what I did. Honey, I believe you. I believe you. You know who? She gives me a long Island Lolita e-me-fisher box.

Oh, you're right. She can. She can. Now, when they asked her if she was doing the set of Love for Ken, she said she loved him, but then she said, quote, since I'm an unknown writer, I embraced an idea for publicity. In that idea, I grasped the most sensationalistic murder case I could, because I had just completed a murder play, which I believe is very explosive,

very dynamic, and I want it sold. Carl, you better go to different publics. Cunning. Listen to me. Listen to me right now. All writers want to be published. I get it. Of course. I get it. That's not the way to go about it. All writers want to be published. I get it. Of course. I get it.

That's not the way to go about it. Not that bad. That's not the way to go about it. That's not it. That um, that ain't it. Love one that she called it a murder play. Yeah, that's a lot. Wow.

Yikes. Two. The fact that she's like, this murder play that I wrote, it's very explosive, very dynamic. I love that she's giving herself her own like, critique, like little snippets to put on the back of like a playbill. Like very explosive, so dynamic.

Like she's like, I know it, you know it. It's like the plays name by Veronica Compton and then on the back, it's like Veronica Compton. Veronica Compton. Veronica Compton thinks it's explosive. She thinks it's dynamic. It's like, of course she does. And I love it. And she's like, I want it sold.

It's like, honey, that ship sailed. Oh, so you're not gonna profit off of it now. No, like, that's gone. Now, Kim Bred, like I said, who is the survivor of Veronica Compton, she said she was convinced that Veronica was pregnant because remember she was wearing a disguise and she said she didn't, she's like, I would have fought her harder,

but I was worried about hurting her baby. So she's like, I literally didn't fight her as hard as I would have because I didn't want to hurt an unborn baby. Right. Because she was also a mother. Yeah. And it's like she's just a human being

with empathy and feelings and love for like another character. And was also a mother. Yeah. And it's like she's just a human being with empathy and feelings and love. That's for like another character isn't this would understand. Now the same doctor that performed the autopsies on many of the hillside strangler victims was the man who testified at Veronica's trial that the Marksong Kim breed were almost identical to the victims of the hillside strangler. And he said it was obvious that Ken had showed her exactly how to do it. Like how? Because they were able to have visits. Yeah, but like, what is it? Isn't somebody fucking watching them?

Yeah, but he can just sit there and tell her. Damn, that's crazy. She ended up being sentenced to life in prison. Yeah. But she did get out just so you know. Oh, she did. Yeah, so while she's in prison, she starts getting these letters. Now, she claims, and I don't, let's remember, we can't believe anybody here.

This is Ronnie, we're talking about. She, this is Ronnie. Now, she claims that at first, these letters came in from a guy named Daniel. And this guy named Daniel said, I'm just some poor asshole on the outside who just thinks you're innocent and knows your true heart. And that Daniel and Veronica just started falling in love through these letters and it was just, you know, beautiful and soon Daniel was like, I have a secret. And she was like, what is it?

And he was like, I'm actually Doug Clark of the Sunset Slayer. Like this is the time that he decided to get an aliased. Yeah. This is one. Who knows, either way, whether he started it off as Doug Clark or he pretended to be Daniel, which I just don't see. I don't think he did. I think she was saying that because she was like,

I already fell in love with him. Well, that's, and I think she uses it later because as we'll see, she gets kind of like bashed about this during the hillside. Strangler case because they use it as a way to not to take away her credibility for anything. Because they're like, well, she's already like in a really ship with another serial killer at the moment. So, and she tried to say, oh, I didn't know it was Doug Clark. He said it was Daniel. I think it's bullshit. I do too.

I, because no matter what way it happened at first, she found out it was Doug Clark and she was still all into it. Right. And they started like a heavily sadistic and sexual relationship through letters. Like Necrophilia talk all that. Oh. Now she also- And she's like heros terrifying. Well, and if you saw when I read the court transcript part that he sent her things to titillate and amuse her about the case. She convinced him to send her crime scene photos, which I'm not even sure how he was able to do, but it's literally in the court transcripts. He was able to get her file photos from the case.

How? I don't know. But a photo album was seized from herself. Oh my God. And in it were photos of Exi Wilson's body and severed head. There was also photos of Doug holding different evidence items from the case, which apparently these were photos taken during like a viewing of these items by the defense team and they had him hold things up. Okay. He sent those to like like underwear, the box that Exi's head was in.

I'm also like, why did they let him hold that stuff? I think it was just part of the evidentiary. Like, there was like a reason for it. But they were in the photo album in herself. And she's out of prison. And she had asked for them, like, for her titillation and amusement, it's said in the court transfers. But then on the other side, she's like, Carol, so terrifying.

She talks about like, you're all terrifying. Like, you're looking at her. Every one of you. Every last one of you is terrifying. It was also said that they were engaged at one point. How? And she said that they were engaged at one point, but then said no.

What is wrong with you? She was quoted as saying, I thought I could get Ken jealous if I left him for another mass murder, a more notorious mass murder. I cared for Clark, but I was madly in love with Ken. I think Bailey Sarian says this, get better idols. Yes, yes. I like better idols.

Bailey is correct. Listen to our girl Bailey. Listen to Bailey Sarian. Just listen to Bailey Sarian, no matter what. But definitely listen to her on this. Now, interesting too. So when she was tested, so obviously she went on the stand two for Angelou Bono's trial,

because they were trying to get her to say that, you know, the defense put her on the stand, so that she could say that her and Ken were trying to set Bono up. So it would be good for the defense team. Now while she was on the stand, she was a terrible witness. They like, of course she was a terrible witness, but like, of

course, she was like very like, like very over the top. She's a playwright. Exactly. And she's an actress. So she's a thispian. And she would cry and say, Ken wasn't paying attention to her after all they had gone through, completely ignoring the fact that she tried to kill an innocent mother. She was also obviously really put on the state, they were talking to her about the Doug Clark thing and being like, yeah, this seems to be like your thing. Like I don't think you're gonna let it.

And she was basically brought on to tell the story of how she and Ken were trying to frame Angelo, but it turned into just like totally, just demolishing her as a character. Yeah. At the same time that she was on the stand, and I didn't know this, and I looked it up, and it is true.

While she was on the stand, defending Ken Bianchi at the Angelobono trial across the hall in the same courthouse, Doug Clark's trial was going on. Shut the fuck up. Is it that wild? Shut the actual foul. They were in the same courthouse. That's the thing. It's like seven degrees of fucking hellside stranglers, like, goodbye. It's these cases are so connected. And Angel,

Angel Veronica Compton is like sitting right in the middle. Ew. It's so wild. It is. Now Veronica has actually escaped from prison at one point. Get out of here. She got through the wire fence with another inmate. What? And she was caught immediately and brought back. In the early 90s, she married James Wallace in well in prison. He was a retired political science professor at Eastern Washington University. He was also married when they began corresponding. And she got him to

leave his wife for her. Okay. Yep. They got conjugal visits at one point and she had a daughter with him. Oh. She was released on parole at one point but then put right back in prison because social workers in a cop showed up to check on the daughter and they found out that she had painted sadistic and pornographic murals on the walls in their home. She was also still writing about her fascination in the love of Necrophilia, and her report by parole chairman upon, or chairwoman upon re-entering prisons said, quote, her psychological history is quite disturbing, and it indicates that she has learned how to manipulate more skillfully, not that she has become more stable or less a danger to be at large. And then it said, I noted that there was information in the file

that she had said prior to her release, and repeatedly told correction staff that she married Dr. Wallace and had a child, simply to get out of prison and go to California, and that she had no intention of staying with either. Miss Compton did not deny these remarks. That's really sad. Yeah. She was released in 2003 and she released an album called Home in 2013. Shut the fuck up. That's right. What kind of music? I didn't listen to it. I was going to, but I didn't know if I wanted to be in that kind of head space. Well, you don't want to get through the streams. Well, that sounds like I just want to know what the genre is.

I don't even know it. I'm sure it's something like really out there. Wow. And then, so, like, how did she get out of jail? She just was able to be eligible for parole. Why? I really don't know. And then didn't Terrell Bundy die in 2003?

Was it 2003? I think it was. That's crazy. Oh my god. But the album cover for home is like a woman's nether regions with a knife question mark. Like what even is that? Makes sense.

And like a snake. Yeah. All of that makes sense. I would expect nothing less. Did you see it? Yeah. I would expect nothing less of Veronica Compton. Whatever. Okay.

The first song is called head song. Yeah. What the... She's living. She's really living. She's really living. I wonder who's Stephen is. Stephen. Land of dreams.

Strong out. I'm not open. Isn't it funny? It's not. It's a none of it. It's funny. I can tell you that much. The answer to that is no.

I've got to go. But now that we have talked about Veronica Compton, because I just had to break in there with her little tail. Yeah. Five days after the jury began deliberations in Doug Clark's trial, on January 28, 1983, he was found guilty, by the way,

of all six counts of murder and the count of attempted murder on Charlene. Good. A psychologist did diagnose Doug with anti-social personality disorder and also said he had psychosexual disorder that included parapheria, also fetishism and pedophilia and more.

Parapherias are kind of like controversial because it can like bring into the picture, people judging what is and isn't normal sexually. Yeah. So some people, you know, there's certain things, but there's certain things that are involved with that are very clearly not right, you know pedophilia pedophilia, you know fetishes fetishism fetishism. Sorry, that's hard to say it is when it's not living objects

Yeah, like necrophilia. Yeah There's also like sexual sadism when it's like on an unwilling participant. There's also something called frotterism, which I didn't know what this was. And when I looked it up, it's basically the urge and act of rubbing yourself against an unconcenting person in a public setting. Interesting. Yeah. That makes you wonder how many times that's happened to you.

I know that you didn't think it was an accident. And it's like, yeah, I don't like that. But he did have all that obviously because we all knew that's part of his pathology, but he was declared sane and completely in control and aware of the murders, though. So March 16, 1983, he was sentenced to five death sentences. He was sent to San Quentin and he is still there today. He saw that. Yep. While on Death Row, he also married a woman named Kelly, who proclaims his innocence. Kelly, you're wrong. You're wrong, Kelly. But Carol was supposed to originally have a trial and was going to go into it pleading insanity. But then she changed her mind right before it and she

said, you know what? I have a lot of fun murdering. So I'm not gonna, and she decided to take that plea deal and spare herself the death penalty at least. Carol's like the queen of changing her mind, she sure is. Like she's like, oh, never mind. Just kidding. I have to tell, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. And there's a lot of like, you know, with Carol, there's a lot of things that you're just looking at,

and you're like, man, you are created. Oh my gosh, before. Like even during her interrogation, one of the detect of things that you're just looking at. You're like, man, you are created. Oh my gosh, before. Like even during her interrogation, one of the detectives said that like halfway through talking about these brutal murders and everything, she was like, you know what? Like, I'm really turned on by you. Are you turned on by me?

No. And it's like that's directly from her father. Of course, that's really sad. Like doing like, raping her at a young age. Like teaching her that that's all, that there is. It's things like that that's like damn, like damn. But do you better society? Yeah, but on May 31st, 1983,

she received several consecutive prison sentences of 25 years to life for the murder of Jane Doe 28 in the murder of Jack Murray. So Jane Doe 28 is Kathy, because she admitted that she was there and that she handed the gun to him. She was put into the California Institute for Women at Frontera and she in Doug maintained contact through letters for a while. She actually allowed that. She tried to have him like freed because she tried to be like, you can just say I did it or you can do all this or

She was still trying to like, wow, that's sad. Yeah, please him. But obviously, you know, that didn't work because of all the murder. She was going to be eligible for parole as of 2012, but she died of heart failure and complications related to diabetes December 9, 2003 at 61 years old. Yeah. And I did read, there was like, because I think we were talking about it on like a recent crime countdown episode

that like so many of these terrible serial killers are in San Quentin. We were, yeah. I don't think it's been released yet, but it's like a crazy, crazy, crazy thing. Like there was an episode that we recorded in that. I would say at least like six out of 10. Yeah.

It's wild. And it was California's like, like most narly serial killers. Yeah, and it's like that's, that place must be the darkest energy. Well, and all of them are on Death Row too. Yeah. I think I said in the episode I was like,

I bet you can like feel like the inner- Yeah, because you think it like, it must be thick with just evil. Oh, yeah. Like I can't even imagine working. Because that's it. I mean, I believe like so much in energy and energy work and stuff like that.

Like your energy comes out of your body. Yeah. I can't imagine having to be like a guard or somebody that worked there walking down that. Oh, it just must feel so heavy. You need to save yourself every day. But he's really the only, I mean, Jack is gone, Carol's gone. Doug is the only one hanging out and obviously Veronica,

which I don't think Veronica's been in be much help, but I don't. But I would love for Doug to finally admit something. He won't let you know though. No, you can tell by his eyes. Yeah, he's not going to scary fucking eyes there. Let me go look at him again. And one of the, I think it was Charlene who said, she remembered him because of those eyes, like those cold, just dead eyes that he has. Oh, yeah.

But also, I'm going to put the dough network, Jane Doe's, the links to them in the show notes, just so you can take a look. In case you never know. Maybe someone knows something or knows what these people are. I'll put them right in the show notes. And in case you don't know what the show notes are,

because sometimes I've seen people be like, what the hell are show notes? And I didn't know what they were before I listed a podcast. Yeah, no me either. It's just the description wherever you're listening to the podcast, the description of this episode. Well, that's the show notes. And I'll tell you something.

It will usually say, like, you can see, like, a little tidbit of it and then it'll say, like, see more. Yeah, so you can, so if you want to see all that stuff, it's always right there. Yeah. But that is the case of the sunset strips, layers, and Veronica Compton. Wow.

And I'm glad to be out of there. I'm ready for two. I'm doing, like, a spooky episode next or something. I just, go ahead. Hillside Stranglers followed by this is like, well, it's a lot, man. It's spooky season. Let's do, I'm gonna do a spooky episode.

Spooky, scary, scary, scary, scary, scary, scary, scary, I don't think that can sing the rest. All right, guys, well, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it. Weeere. But that's where the uroveronica comption, the ang-spite, the ang-spite. And we hope you keep it weird, but it's worth it your Veronica Compton hangs by Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music.

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