Morbid - Episode 275: Susan Monica

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

Susan Monica was a farmer in her 60’s with her very own property where she raised chickens and pigs and worked on beautiful wrought iron fences. She had made it through much of her life flying under the radar. That was until one of the handymen on her farm, Robert Haney disappeared without a trace. The last anyone knew of his whereabouts was that he was living in a camper on Susan’s property. During the search for Robert, Susan told the police had something to confess- not only about Robert’s disappearance but another mans as well. She drew a map for the detectives with an “X” in the middle telling them, “That’s where you’re going to find Steve.” https://www.news10.com/news/hundreds-of-bodies-discovered-under-rhode-island-highway-during-search-for-gravesite/ As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Get up to fourteen free meals—including free shipping! — with code morbid14 at HelloFresh.com/morbid14. Native: Go to NativeDeo.com/morbid or use promo code morbid at checkout to save 20% on your first purchase. BetterHelp: Special offer for Morbid listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid DoorDash: If you’re ready to save money on your Doordash orders, use promo code MORBIDTRUECRIME for 50% off your first order of 12 dollars or more, after you sign up for Dashpass. Rothy’s: Right now, you can get $20 off your first purchase at rothys.com/MORBID See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey Weirdos, I'm Elena, I'm Ash, and this is morbid. And let's just get right into it guys. Yeah, I was just scrolling through Twitter and somebody tweeted at me and they were like, hey, did you see this? And the title of this article was, hundreds of bodies discovered under Rhode Island Highway during search for gravesite. And what they meant was like a thousand. They said 800 to a thousand bodies are buried under this highway in Rhode Island.

And it's the Route 37 highway. This is like blowing my brain apart. Yes, it's the amount of time who's driven over this highway. That's the other thing. I've driven over this highway so many times. It's insane. So this, how it all started was this woman from Rhode Island,

Maria de Grasse. She was searching for her great, great, grandfathers, like final resting place. She's been looking for his final resting place for over 10 years. Yeah. And his name was Antonio Coelho. Coelho, I believe it is.

And he was like a really important person in Rhode Island's history. Yeah. We were just reading these articles about this because now we just can't stop. Now we're like, what is going on? Antonio Coelho was the first person in Rhode Island from Cape Verde to buy a package ship in 1891. This is according to an article

by... It's at news10.com. Yeah. And he helped immigrants come over to Providence for work and then helped with that boat to transport goods back to those immigrants' families. And this guy was also featured in an exhibit at the Providence Chilner's Museum in 1997. Like still a very prominent figure like icon. But he obviously underwent like a lot because so originally he was from Cape Verde and at the time, according to this article at news10.com, we'll link in in the show notes. Laws at the time forbade him from owning a ship in his name, so the captain that bought the ship intentionally sunk it.

And it was called the Nelly May. And it was because he was from Cape Verde. That he couldn't allow you to own that ship. That ship. So wild. It's ridiculous. So it said that sort of set a spiral into his life, excuse me, that sort of set a spiral of his life into poverty until he died. So at first, these people were buried at the state institution cemetery number three in 1941. And then they dug up that cemetery and moved them to this unmarked

mass grave. And it's called the state institution cemetery number two. That was in 1975. They, he was one of 577 bodies, and the family was never told. That never told that these people were being moved from their eternal resting place. Like where you know them to be. They are not going to be there anymore, and we're not gonna tell you that,

and we're not gonna tell you where they went. Yeah,, what? It makes no sense. It makes absolutely no sense. And it's like the thing that his granddaughter was there, his great, great granddaughter was saying she was like, I don't even want like recognition for this. I just want to be able to go somewhere like with my children and say thank you to this man for everything that he wants.

Yeah. And she's like, I just want respect for him. But that's all I want is for us to be able to go and say thank you and give him the honor and respect he deserves. That he absolutely deserves. And think, this is one woman's story. One person of between 800 and 1,000 bodies,

which are still under the highway. And it says that they were aware, like Rhode Island is aware of this. They were just like, oops, like, hey guys, what are we gonna do to rectify that situation? And they were saying, I think I saw one official that was like, well, this, you know, this whole thing was done when laws were really lax

and this would never happen today. And it's like, okay, yeah, I get it. How do we fix this? But now we know that people are under the highway. Do, like, that's a big problem. Imagine driving over that highway. I, we have. It's like, what? I mean, like, knowing it now, like, problem. Imagine driving over that highway. I, we have. It's like, what?

I mean, like knowing it now, like, I'm never driving over there anymore. That's so wild, guys. Like, that's really wild. And now I want to look into this more. Yeah, I feel like this could become like an entire thing that we talk about. Yeah.

Because it seems like there's probably a lot of stories under there. Yeah, I feel like as this whole entire case unfolds, there's going to be so many more people that come forward. And luckily, at least to these people will get the recognition that they deserve. Yeah, man, hopefully that is moved into an actual resting place.

Oh, that's just like really wild. And it's just like a lot of people that were like poor at the time. Yeah. Or like people that were institutionalized. Yeah, because there was poppers, graves, like that's where you would go. And it was always a mass grave.

So crazy. It really is. So thank you to the person who tweeted that at us to tell us because for some reason it's I didn't see it anywhere on the news but maybe I haven't been watching the news that much so maybe I missed it. I've been remiss. I have been remiss. Well that's bonkers and my case for this week is also bonkers. I'm very intrigued. Yeah, so a lot of you guys actually requested this. I was looking in the morbid suggestion box on our email, and this was requested a ton of times.

So this is the case of Susan Monica. It sounds familiar. So it sounded familiar to me, and then I started looking looking into it and I had absolutely never heard of this before and just like a little warning it does involve animals and like it could be viewed as animal cruelty in my opinion it is. So just be aware of that if that's not something you want to hear right now see you next episode. So let's get into it. Susan Monica was born in California in 1948. She was actually assigned male at birth, and before she transitioned, she served in the Navy during the Vietnam War. Wow, which was like

a really big deal. Yeah. She was on same with my dad. Yeah, exactly. She was honorably discharged, and then she got into the world of engineering. She apparently did like really well, and a few years into her engineering career, she had enough money to buy some land. So in 1991 she bought this 20 acre farm in Weimar Oregon. Did I say that right Oregon? Yeah Oregon yeah I did it and she got into she just like got working on the farm making it her own. She built her own house on the property like from the ground up. The huge barn. She was raising chickens and pigs. She even had her own side business where she made these like raw iron fences and gates.

It sounds lovely. I know it's not gonna end up that way, but it sure sounds it now. Sounds beautiful. It does. But apparently these raw iron fences and gates were like, gorgeous like craft, like the way that they were craft. Oh yeah. She would put like animals and stuff on them.

Yeah, people make that kind of stuff, like hand to make that. They're always the most beautiful things. Yeah, they were put like animals and stuff on them. Yeah, people would make that kind of stuff, like hand to make that. They're always the most beautiful things. Yeah, they were showing like pictures of them and I was like, oh wow, like I want one of those, but now I don't. But now I don't. But after years and years of working on this farm herself

and because at this point, she was by in her six, at this point, she was in her 60s, she needed some help. So she put this out on Craigslist and in 2013, a man named Robert Haney responded. So Robert Haney was born June 26, 1957. There's really not a lot known about his upbringing or his early life at all, and I did some serious diggin. But I did find out that he ran away from home with his brother when they were younger.

They were like teenagers. And that's kind of how Robert became a handyman. He would take like odd jobs here and there to make ends meet, and that's how he kind of became a master in like a bunch of different crafts and trade. And Jack of all trades. He really was. He could do carpentry, plumbing, like you name it, he could do it. He met his wife, Talia, when they were younger.

I'm not sure exactly what year, but they went on to have five children together. Wow. He would work like six day work weeks, sometimes seven, just to make sure that the family had enough. He was a really dedicated father. And for one reason or another, in 2003, he entailed you divorced and he moved to Oregon

with the kids at that point. He was just ready to downsize, especially once all the kids were grown and off doing their own thing. So he actually got a dog and a camper, and that's how he started living his life. I love it. He was like, I'm just gonna go around with my dog and my camper.

Now in 2013, when he stumbled upon the ad, it seemed like a perfect job for him, because she was just looking for a handyman, which is exactly what he was, someone to help out around the farm. So Susan, they met up, she talked to him, she was like, oh yeah, like this is gonna be great. She hired him and they made this deal,

but she was gonna pay him in cash and he would be able to keep his camper on her property. So he could live right on the property, he could build whatever he wanted on the property and help her out. So it sounded like a great deal for both of them. And by all accounts, Robert was an excellent hand to have around on the farm.

Another employee said of him, he was her handyman, laborer, and carpenter. Whatever she asked of him, he did. Like so sweet. That's all we're ever asking of our handyman. Like just do what I need, please. Please fix thing. Yeah, and he really was. Robert's and Jesse said that his father liked the peace

and quiet that the farm had to offer, especially while he was out just living out in the woods, like doing his own thing. Yeah, it sounds relaxing. Yeah. But in December of 2013 though, Robert had gone way too far off the grid for his family's comfort. They would go like periods of time without talking to him

and it wouldn't be weird. But at this point, it had been like months since anybody had heard from him. It had been almost two months. Ooh. So by New Year's Day 2014, they were ready to go out to the farm and figure out what the fuck was going. Yeah.

So all of his kids drove out there together. And Susan Monica was on her property. So they figured they'd talk to her and try to piece together what had happened or like what was going on. Where is she? Right. So Susan told them that Robert just up and left one day. And she was like, so would you mind like collecting his things?

Like he just kind of left them. Would you go grab them, take care of them? What already be sus? Yeah. And they definitely were. Because they went out to their dad's trailer and right away something was off. Like Robert San Jesse said just being there made the hairs on the back of his next stand. Oh no. He was like something was weird. Hey there fellow podcast listener, it's Elena. And Ash Ash and we're taking you back to the days before streaming services. Whoa. You know when you would come home from high school and

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number one, his dog was so important to him. But his tools, like he really cared for his tools. And like took good care of them. He wouldn't have just left them like, that's his life. for his tools and took good care of them. He wouldn't have just left them. I mean, that's his life. It's literally his life, absolutely. And where would he go without a jacket? Well, that's, it's like fall time in Oregon. It's cold.

Well, it's like he left his trailer. Why would he just bring the trailer? He left everything. No. And his kid said, as soon as they saw all of that, they were like, nope, something is totally off. We're going to the police of this. Oh, those poor kids.

Yeah, these five kids. You go there and you just know something's off. Yeah, I can't imagine that drive out there, like what you're feeling and thinking. And then after looking at that trailer, knowing that something's wrong, I would want to run back to her and be like, what the fuck did you do to my dad?

Like I would immediately want to shake her down. Yeah, 100%. And it's like that, but they know they can. Exactly. So they went straight to the Jackson County Sheriff's Office and filed a missing person's report. But it was proving to be a challenging task, trying to figure out what happened to Robert, especially because his income was mainly cash.

Oh, so there was no like paper trails. There was no paper trail, no way to track where he was spending his money. If he had like any other account or anything, they didn't really know like paper trails. There was no paper trail, no way to track where he was spending his money if he had like any other account or anything. They didn't really know like his kids were like, we don't know if he has any other open account. Like he really would have no reason to. And he's kind of just that kind of guy like he doesn't need it.

He's like very like Ron Swanson off the grid. Exactly. So the other problem was that literally nobody had heard from him in months and months. Like not only his kids, but like Susan Monica hadn't heard from him after he left. And they didn't really know like many of his friends and they weren't in the area. Nobody knew where he was.

Oh man. So the resume just vanished. It was like he walked in like to thin air. Yeah. So one of the people that the detectives obviously really wanted to talk to was Susan. Yeah, I would say so. So when they got to the farm, they were in for quite a site.

There were cars and different vehicles scattered on the property. There were random debris just piled all over the place. Sounds like Willie Picton. It honestly looks like right on par with them. Yeah, that's literally. Like, sounds like you're describing the picked and farm. It's funny because a lot of the people that suggested this case were like, oh, here is Willie Pickton's like female counterpart.

Oh, man. And I was going to say, I don't love that. No, this farm is disgusting. We'll post pictures of it. Oh, God. There were like tires just like scattered about. This is literally Willie Picton's phone. One of the detectives on scene Julie Denny said,

quote, I would describe that property as eerie. There was a very strong odor there, a lot of decay. Ew. Yeah. So once they sat Susan down to talk, she told them that Robert had been working for her and living in his trailer on the property about six months. But that sometime around the fall,

like around like early fall, like late August, early September, he started acting differently. And she said that one of the last things she remembered him telling her before he took off was about this phone call that he had had with a family member. According to Susan, the family member had told Robert that she had been the victim of like a sexual assault, and that Robert had been really upset

by this phone call, obviously. Geez. So after that alleged phone call, Susan said that Robert started drinking a lot more and his behavior started like really just getting weird. Okay. And Susan wasn't actually the only person to mention that phone call,

or Robert's behavior afterwards. Some of his family members, like including his son Jesse, confirmed that that phone call happened, and they all confirmed that Robert was incredibly upset. And some people thought, you know, maybe he wanted to seek out his owner of Eng on this person who had done this to his family. Okay. So then that kind of...

It kind of... It can... That can fly as a story. Absolutely. That's not one of those that you're like, really? Is that what you're going with? No, it's like not that.

Like, all right. Crazy at all. There was like a neighbor who knew Robert and remembered a couple nights where Robert was drinking a lot and then screaming in his trailer at night, like, why? Like, this is horrible. Like, just really sad.

Yeah. And at that point, the investigators were like, okay, so maybe he went to try to confront this person and like got hurt. Maybe he's on his way to go confront this person. Yeah. Maybe he's like tracking them down. We don't know.

But Susan said that after a while of this like change in behavior, she was actually gonna go talk to him about his drinking. But that same day that she was gonna go talk to him, he went to her with some money and said, can you take care of my dog? I have to go take care of some stuff. And so she said, yeah, surely, I'll take care of the dog. And that day, a white car picked him up and she never saw him again. Huh. So that was in September. Now it is January. Huh? Mm-hmm.

So that was in September. Now it is January. Okay. Yeah. And she's just like, oh yeah. She's like, you just never came back for the dog. That was weird a few months ago. Yeah, I don't know when that happened.

Yeah, I just. Yeah, I probably shouldn't told you guys, but like, yeah, I got busy. Farm. Yeah, I had to finish like, you know, I had to finish my Sims game. There was a lot of tires to stop over there. Yeah. I was breaking some debris earlier.

I don't know if you noticed. I just slipped my mind that a whole last person is just gone. Lost out of my farm. Yeah. No worries at all. And like, didn't even tell his kids that. Like, just goes and tells the police that.

I'm like, his kids were just there. Why didn't you tell them that? No. Weird. Fishay. Fishay. And something about Susan's story felt Fiche to the authorities. It feels downright oceanic. It does.

Truly, it does. It feels like the Arctic up in here. It does. Like the Arctic Ocean. Like, let me, because at first I was like, yeah. Yeah, it gets cold. It gets cold. I was like, no, the ocean. There's a body of water. It's just the one I thought at first. It's fine. But they also were like, yeah, the ocean. There's a body of water. It's just the one I thought at first. It's fine. But they also were like, yeah, that paired with the fact

that that far, like something is happening on that farm. We know it. I just feel it. It's shit's going down. Yeah, shit is going down for real. But obviously they couldn't go off of just that. And like I said, there were some details in the case where they were like, maybe we should look down

some other avenues if he really wanted revenge on this family member. Should we look into that a little bit more? But they were like, like there's definitely some kind of foul play going on here, like we're freaked out. Yeah. But they were gonna have some serious validation

when it came to their bad feelings, when it came to their conversation with Susan, because they were able to find out that there was an EBT card that was Robert's card and they tracked the transactions, so they could see where he had been spending his money, and he really hadn't been spending a lot. But there was one interesting event, and how interesting was it that in December, after Robert disappeared without a trace, his eBT was used at a Walmart, about 25 minutes away from Susan Monica's farm.

Huh. And it sounds great. Even way easier though. No, no, no, that's not him. Oh, no, it's not. They looked at the footage and this woman who looked exactly like Susan Monica was the one using the EBT card at Walmart. Walmart's gonna get ya. Walmart is always gonna get ya. Walmart is always gonna get ya.

Walmart is always gonna get ya. It's like guys, I mean, I'm glad. I'm glad you don't think the fact that this camera's everywhere is not electronic cards will track you. But like, what? Like using a person's card that you at the color, we all know he's deceased at this point. You know that he is dead and you're using his EBT card 25 minutes from your house.

That takes like a special kind of like evil, like detachment from humanity kind of shit to when people use the person that they have, like, because I'm assuming that she, like, this boy learned, I'm pretty sure she probably killed him. But either way, a dead person's like, you know, credit cards, debit cards, person's like, you know,

credit cards, debit cards, money, like EBT cards, any of that stuff, like it's fucked. How do you get your brain to say like, yep, this is fine. Right, and correct. She did kill him and we get into that. Oh lord.

But like, how did you not think that you were gonna get caught? Like have you ever watched any crime show ever? I think it really proves how much these kind of people think they are above everybody in intelligence and skill level and everything. Susan Monica. They think they're above it all and they're like,

they're not going to go, I'll go do this. Cause who gives a shit? They're not going to catch me. No. Susan Monica even her own defense attorney said that she was a clear, clear narcissist. Absolutely. Most of them are.

And it's because of that, that they always think they can get away with the most brazen shit. Like the most obvious shit. Because we do it all the time. We're always like, why the fuck did they do that? Why would they think they get away with it? Because they do. Yeah.

They just do. The way it is, unfortunately. I mean, I guess in a way, it's fortunately because it often gets caught. Yeah, they just wait. The way it is, unfortunately. I mean, I guess in a way, it's fortunately because it often gets caught, but man, it's horrific that it even has to happen. Yeah. So anyways, with that, a search warrant was served asap Rocky at Susan Monica's property. And the farm had gotten even worse between the last visit they made. This time, in addition to the random piles of debris, there were also just piles of garbage everywhere. Ew. Yeah.

A lot of sources described the scene as just straight up squalor, and eventually the team's investigating had to use breathing apparatuses just to get through the job. Oh my God. Yeah, because at certain points, they had to dig through a bunch of stuff, which we'll get into later. Oh.

And they were using breathing apparatuses. This is the picked inform. It literally is. I feel so such deja vu. There was straight up hazardous waste at this farm like everywhere. I believe it. So it was then while they were going through

with their breathing apparatuses and like looking at all of this, that they saw what they believed to be a human leg sticking out of a catchment pond. Upon closer look, they realized that the leg was severed mid femur down to the toes. Mid femur? Mid femur. Damn. And it's just sticking out of a catchment pond.

So immediately, Susan was taking downtown for questioning. Yeah, you gotta explain that. And right out of the gate, she offered the detectives this bizarre, but not completely unconvincing story. She said that one day, that past year during the fall, she went out to the pig pen, and she found her pigs in what she called a feeding frenzy. She said that the closer she looked, she realized that the pigs were eating a human, and when she looked even closer, she realized it was Robert. And she said, quote, his guts were all over the place.

So she went on to say he was being eaten what I believe to be alive. So at that point, she said she grabbed her shotgun and killed him because she said, I had to do similar things over the years for different animals. I was putting him out of his misery. Oh my God.

Yeah. So after she shot him, which I guess is not a crazy story to spin, because you're like, it's a horrifying story, you know, crazy one, but like not crazy in the sense that you're like, that didn't happen.

Oh no, it's insane, because people actually get eaten by pigs a lot. A lot, it's actually like a very casual risk we all take, living amongst pigs. No, it is. If you, I read this article of this man who was a farmer and these were his pigs and he fell in there one day, like nobody knew exactly what happened,

but he must have fallen and the pigs ate him a lot. Yeah. Like it happens a lot. Oh, it's really nice. So after she shot him, she said she left his body there for the pigs for a couple days, which I was like, that was really horrific of you if you did that because.

Yeah. But then again, I was like, how would you get him out of there? Well, I was just gonna say, they might turn on you. But then that's the thing, you're like, how do you remove him? I don't really know. Without them turning on you, like, yeah.

Oh my God. Yeah, it's scary, pigs. This is a terrible story. Like pigs are cute, but they're so they're very intelligent. Don't want them anymore. Oh, I don't I don't want to pet a pig at the farm anymore. Man, but so yeah, so she left in there for a couple days and then once the pigs got what they were going to get she said she put the rest of his body into bar garbage bags and she said that she just, I guess she just left them somewhere because she said that an animal must have gotten into the bags

and dragged the leg down to the pond. And that's where obviously they found his leg. Yeah, yeah. And she told the police that the reason that she hadn't called them and been truthful when they first showed up was because she was afraid for the pigs. She didn't want them to be killed. Wow.

So it really does seem like a somewhat believable story, I guess. Yeah, I mean, you could definitely put that in the realm of reality. Absolutely. But the thing with Susan is that like the story was gonna change about like three to four more times. It's also very convenient. Yeah, like super convenient.

Very convenient. It is, it is. And it just paints her as an animal lover. Yeah, like super convenient. Very convenient. It is, it is. And it just paints her as an animal lover. Yeah, and a humanitarian. And somebody who had no choice. That story puts her in a perfect position of I don't know how he got there. Y'all something happened.

Y'all I wasn't there when it happened, so I couldn't help him. Which is believable because of the farm misery. And the farm is huge. It's like 20 acres. And it puts her in the position of I couldn't help them which is believable because the farm is and the farm is huge It's like 20 acres and it puts her in the position of I couldn't remove him right away because I feared for my own safety Which I'm allowed to and then I did remove him and And it explains the gunshots because she shot him to put him out of his misery exactly Yeah, and then I if she loves her pigs

So I guess that's why she wasn't truthful, but like I said, that story was going to change a lot. Later, she said that she actually pushed Robert into the pig pen because he was drunk and he had come on to her. So she pushed him in there and after she pushed him, she shot him three to four times on the head. Well, that escalated quickly. Two very different stories. Yeah, those are literally very very different.

Those are very different. Opposite ends of the spectrum. Wow. Yeah. And later, Veronica Vance, a state police forensic anthropologist, did confirm that Robert had been shot in the head three to four times. She was also able to determine and later testified that Robert Haney's legs had been chopped off with an axe.

And that his thigh bones quote, showed signs of having been nod on by some kind of animal. She wasn't able to say for 100% certainty whether or not the axe had been used while Robert was still alive or if the damage had been inflicted post-mortem. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so there was a lot more than just him falling

into the pig pen. There was an axe used here. Yeah, So there was a lot more than just him falling into the pig pen. There was an axe used here. Yeah. I mean, it bothered me too that like when you said like there was a whole leg mid femur down. Right. Like the pigs didn't eat that. Right. Exactly. Like the femur you your thigh bone is the most meat. Exactly. And then later on, there's more things that had me confused as well. Yeah. There's really not a lot of answers in this story because Susan Monica is just a wild woman. Yeah. So, but we'll get into it. Yeah, they did believe that Robert was killed on September 9th, 2013 at 56 years old. Oh, that's so sad. So sad. So after telling her myriad of stories about what happened to Robert Haney, the investigators asked

Susan one more time if there was anything else that they needed to know. She paused and then she told them there is and can I have a pencil in a paper so I can draw you a map of my property? Oh, can you imagine? Can you imagine, you'd be like, oh, sure. Okay, sure, why are you drawing a map? So she's only one reason you draw a map of your property

for investigators when you're in the middle of the homicide investigation. So she finished drawing this map of her property and as she was finishing she drew a big X right in the middle of the property and they were like, hey, what's that about? I guess that's not where the buried treasure is, right? Nay. No. She said, right there, that's where you're going to find Steve. Oh, man. She was referring to a man named Steve Delicino. I was just going to say who Steve? Steve Delicino had been hired by Susan Monica

to work on the farm about a year before Robert, as you guessed it. I am. I am the man. So when they started talking to her about Steve, Susan Monica started singing like a freaking cadary. She told them that Steve had stolen two of her guns in the summer of 2012. And that when she found out she confronted him and things got heated. She said they got into a wrestling match over one of the guns.

And that in the middle of everything, the gun just went off and shot Steve. He didn't fall down, but he actually got up and started chasing Susan. While after he's just been shot in the head, he got up and started chasing her, who was like running towards her barn. And at that point, she said that she raised her own rifle and shot him again in the head. And then he fell down. And then when she was sure he was dead, she brought him over to the pigs and had them get rid of his body. Okay. And then once they were finished, she said that she buried the rest of him on the property and that was what the X was.

However, just like her stories about how Robert Haney had been killed, there were multiple stories about Steve's murder too. Yeah. Because then at another point, she said, actually, Steve shot himself multiple times in the head, and then I just shot him the last time in self-defense. Yeah, it's easy to forget that.

Yeah. Yeah, I messed that story up. He actually shot himself several times in the head. And then I just had to do one more. Like, yeah, what? That, it makes sense, yeah. Then there were conflicting stories about how Steve ended up in the pig pen

Because in one story Susan said that she put him in there and then in another story She said that she had gone down and had gone inside to lay down after she shot Steve I was just gonna I just went inside to lay down real quick She said that she went inside because quote she knew what she had done was wrong And she just needed to like relax. Yeah, I got to take a quick nap. Obviously. Like, after I've literally just brutally murdered someone. Yeah.

And then she said that when she came back to figure out what to do with him, the pigs actually got out of the pen and were already doing what they were doing. Oh, that's cool that the pigs suddenly were able to open the pen and come out and take care of it for her. And it's so weird how that happened like when you were just inside laying down. I was taking a nap and suddenly my pigs became humans and they just let them self out of the p- it's- it was the wildest thing. I know you're not going to believe me. Yeah, I mean I love when you know magic sometimes can happen at the

strangest times. It's so crazy. While I was napping. Yeah. So she said that she again left his body there a few days, let the pigs do what they were going to do and then she gathered the rest of him and buried their remains on the property. So as they were wrapping up that interview, they said, is there anything else that you missed? Anything else? And she said, oh yeah, one more thing, gotta tell you one more quick thing. My God. I know you're gonna like search my property for more bodies. They're 17 of them to be exact. While searching my farm, you're gonna find 17

more bodies or hopefully you will, but there is 17 buried on the property. Oh, I forgot to mention. By the way, just one more thing, those 17 people slipped my mind, those 17 people that I fucking murdered and buried on my property. Yeah. What a fucking monster. She is. Holy shit. Yeah.

It is wild. Like absolutely bonkers. What the actual fuck? And also I was just looking up pictures because I do that. Well, Robert Haney, all my, even look up Steve Delasino. I didn't, I was gonna say I didn't see Steve, but I'm gonna look it up.

But Robert Haney looks like such a like, yeah, just, he has like that kind face. He has the kindest face. Like he has like a dad face. He does, you know, like just five children that Susan Monica took him away from. So yeah, quickly and needlessly to say, Susan Monica was arrested. And. So yeah, quickly and needlessly to say, Susan Monica was arrested.

And at this point, she was booked on two counts of first degree murder and charged not only with those, but also with abusive accords and one count of identity theft for using Robert's eBT cards. So during the three-week search of Susan Monica's property, they did find the partial remains of both Robert Haney and Steve Delacino. And by the way, Steve Delacino, he was believed to have been killed on August

1st, 2012, and he was 59 years old. It's so sad. It's so so so sad. He's poor guys. Robert Haney's remains had to be identified through fingerprints, which then poses the question, how did he have fingers left if she left him in the pig pen for a minute? Oh, yeah. A lot of people were able to get fingerprints. Just doesn't make sense. No, it definitely doesn't.

Now, the state had to bring in their own construction equipment to dig up the entire property and search for those 17 other bodies. I saw conflicting information about how many holes were dug. One said like 130 holes were dug. A couple of things said that, and a couple other sources said that 50 holes were dug. Chief. But in that search, there were numerous skeletal remains found. All of them, however, were confirmed to be animal remains. Huh! No other human remains have ever been found at her property. What? Though the lead investigator on this case, Eric Henderson later said, my take on what she told me about the possibility of 17 other people being there was that it was true.

I believe 100% that there are more people out there. So he believes that there's more people out there, but they did an extensive three week search of this property and found no other human remains. But... I wonder though. What was super fucking weird was that through that search, they just found piles and piles of random personal belongings in the barns out back.

That's, this is the picked and found. One of the most ominous discoveries was a pile of dozens and dozens of pairs of shoes. They found a pile. Oh my God, that's like in house of 1,000 corpses. Yes. Oh my God, actually, it's got shoes. They literally just find a shed full of shoes.

This happened at Susan Monica's farm. Oh my God. They literally found a pile with dozens and dozens of shoes. Imagine being the investigator that you found. They also said that in the barns out back, there were a bunch of TVs, tons and tons of TVs. And you have to think she's had multiple handyman working for her.

Are these their televisions that obviously they didn't leave behind, got left behind when she killed them? Oh my gosh. Yeah, so then at that point these investigators are looking for anyone who's been linked to Susan Monica in the past to confirm if they're alive or not. Yeah. So luckily they were able to track down and confirm that a number of people who had worked with her in the past were luckily still alive, but a lot of these people had stories to tell about their time working with her. Wow. This man who worked on Susan Farm had a really similar job to Steven Robert.

He was like a handyman. And his name was Patifon Pata. He worked for Susan and lived on the property for three years in a rented room. So I think he was like in the same house as her. He told the world magazine that while he was working on Susan's property, he saw her feed dead sheep to the pigs. And also said she shot two of his dogs and one of his cats and fed them to the pigs.

Yeah. Because I don't know anything about, like I honestly don't know a lot about pigs. Like I know that kind of thing that they're really smart, that they're super intelligent. They're actually really clean. They're really clean at the whole ass human. And like I don't know about farming either. I don't know if like animals die.

If that is something that you can do is feed that animal to other animals, I don't know how that works. I do know that pigs are carnivores and omnivores. Yeah. And again, like I don't know how that works. I do know that pigs are carnivores and omnivores. And again, I don't know, so I'm not going to say, but if you're killing animals to feed to other animals, like what, like domestic animals, like dogs and cats. Because that's the thing, I don't know about the sheep, if that's something that happens.

Yeah, I have no idea if that's something that happens. But you definitely aren't killing dogs to feed to sheep. Well, and I also feel like that probably, I think that I know farmers take care of their animals, that's something that happens. But you definitely aren't killing dogs to feed to sheep. Well, and I also feel like that probably, like I think that, you know, I know farmers just like take care of their animals really well. Like they, like farmers that really care. And it's like, and they give them a specific diet

and they keep them on that diet. I don't think a dead sheep would be part of that diet. No, I don't think so because then you know, you have to wonder like, why did the sheep die? Was there some kind of business? Yeah, what's happening there? Right, it all just wonder like, why did the sheep die? Was there some kind of business? Like what's happening there? Right. It all just seems like it all seems like it.

She'd be how it runs. Yeah. So there and there was this other woman named Bonnie Wheeler and she used to help Susan out around the farm, but she said she got scared because the two of them had a falling out. And one of Bonnie's friends who was also friends with Susan, they had this mutual friend. And she said that Susan kept mentioning killing Bonnie

and feeding her to the pigs. That's not why you have pigs. No. Like you're not supposed to have pigs as like a weird fucking like an execution chamber. Like that's not what pigs are for. No. You can't just be like, you are annoying me.

I'm gonna feed you to my pigs. Like what? But not what pigs are for. No. You can't just be like, you are annoying me. I'm gonna feed you to my pigs. Like, what? But Susan said that literally all the time. Like, I think she woke up in the morning. I was like, who can I feed to my pigs? Because people said, the people who knew her personally said she was always making jokes about feeding people to the pigs.

Like, constantly. And it's like, that's a, that's dark. And it makes you wonder when she was saying that had she already done it. Had she already done it? Probably. So in this case, when to trial, obviously, it was truly something. One of the first appearances of Susan Monica was during her arrangement. She was seen via video.

When asked if she had anything to say, I'm pretty sure I was watching the video and I thought I heard her lawyers say like don't say anything Susan like shut the fuck up Susan. Please don't say anything, but she said quote, I'd like the people of Rogue River to donate a small amount of money so I can have my pigs butchered and the meat given to the Rogue River community center. Ma'am, you fed humans to those pigs. What? We may not know, no, no, no, no, no. What? So Susan, what a strange request. What a strange request.

Nobody wants meat from those pigs. Wow. So the community center director named Susan Smith actually knew Susan Monica pretty well. She said that Susan was a regular and she would get food for herself and the animals at the community center all the time. And she did say that around the time of Robert Haney's death, that Susan stopped showing up as much. As for the donations of the pig meat, she said, quote, the center cannot accept any meat donation unless it

is processed and certified under US Department of Agricultural Headlines. And she went on to say that even if the meat was properly processed, she questioned whether or not they would even take it. Yeah. I'm like, I don't even think that must be a question. I think that needs to be, we don't want that meat girl. So all of the pigs that Susan's farm sadly did have to be euthanized, which is really sad. That's really sad. So Susan at this point also went on a

hunger strike. She was only drinking flavored water. She was upset about what had happened to her pigs. And she also said that another reason for doing so was that her cell conditions weren't to her liking because there was a vent blowing cold air on her 24-7. So she was on this hunger strike for three days, only drinking flavored water, and then apparently on day three she ended it with a hard boil dig. Okay, I just wanted to throw that in there. What a way to end it.

Yeah, so I love a hard boil dig. Me too. Yeah. I don't really know if I'd want to end a hunger strike with a hard boil dig though. Oh no. I think I'd end it with like a big Mac. Yeah. Make sure her one.

She probably didn't have access to that. You take what you can. I was gonna say, I don't really know if she could order a big Mac in prison, but like, probably not. Forget it. Now she did have two defense attorneys working her case. Christine Herbert and sorry, it auto corrected

really weird there. It's Gary and Gary had a Montag. That happens to be all the time. It just broke Garn. Just Garn. And I was like, thataren pedamante. That happens to be all the time. It just broke Garn. It just garned. And I was like, that was not his name. That happens all the time in my notes and I have to quickly be like, that is not the word.

That's like really quickly your brain's like, what does that say? Remember what the word is. So her defense attorneys were Christine Herbert and Garen pedamante. It was actually Garen pedamante's first murder trial. Oh, we're really just going in. Yeah, make a splash. go big or go home. Yeah, so their main goal in proving Susan's quote-unquote innocence

was that there was, quote, no concrete evidence to reboot Monica's claims that she's shot Delicino in self-defense, or to show that Haney was actually alive when she shot him. So, like, pretty good defense right there. I mean, technically, yeah. Now, I'm not sure if I should say that Susan had a lot of trouble with her attorneys,

or if I should put that the other way around, seemed to be a very challenging relationship there with the three of them. At one point, she wanted to be able to represent herself and she wanted her defense to be fired because she thought they were, quote, more concerned with her mental health than actually investigating her defense. But I was like, exploring her mental health might actually be very helpful in that defense.

That is your defense. That's like the only defense you've got really all you got. Yeah. And the judge said he would give her the opportunity to represent herself down the line, but told her that her defense team was not going to be fired. She literally wanted them fired and wanted to do this whole thing by herself. And they were like, no. He was like, absolutely not. He was like, I'll give you like a little going to be fired. She literally wanted them fired and wanted to do this whole thing by herself. And they were like, no. He was like, absolutely not.

He was like, I'll give you a little chance to do that, but your defense team is staying. Hopefully everybody's learned their lesson from the Bundy escapades. I don't think they have. But Susan wrote, charge, excuse me, Judge Barnack during the trial, saying, quote,

if you have any doubt as to my ability to defend myself, I would address you to examine the sixth that I meant to the Constitution of the United States. In all criminal prosecutions, I have the right to a speedy trial. Wow, okay. Yeah, so you know you're a minimum. You do, but you're saying like if you have a doubt

to defend myself, I want a speedy trial. I don't know how those two things correlate. Yeah, it's like I, you're, yeah. Those are two different things. Like yes, you do have the right to a speedy trial, but you're talking about wanting to defend yourself. And it's like, how did those two, Corley? Yeah, they don't.

Because it feels like it would be really drawn out if you were gonna defend yourself. Exactly, like you'd have to like read a lot of books and figure out different other things. Good, good try, you know, gave a shot. So like I said, Susan did get the opportunity to represent herself for a minute. She got to cross-examine the lead investigator

that I mentioned before, Eric Henderson. That must have been a trip. Yeah, she had actually told him at one point during this investigation that she was gonna feed him to her pigs. Oh my. So I thought he was really excited to be cross-examined by her.

Yeah, I'd be psyched to talk to her. She said, one of the main questions that she kept asking him was, what did you do to my pigs? And the judge was like, that's, this does not matter. I like it. I like it. And also he physically did not do anything to your pigs. Not at all.

She was also reprimanded for attacking his character and told multiple times that she was not following the rules of the courtroom. Of course not. So at one point on the same day of cross examination, which was the third day of the trial, she asked if Robert Heney's family could be removed from the courtroom

because she didn't want them to hear certain details of the case. Oh no, you don't get to do that. She, like, and she would literally just interrupt the entire trial and just be like, hey, by the way, like, can they leave? And it's like, so this isn't how that works. You're not in charge of your girlfriend,

like you're going to prison. Wow. She herself was removed from the courtroom on a number of occasions, both on her own volition and also not so much. There were times when she just straight up laughed during this. Oh, specifically when it came time to discuss how many holes had been dug on her property in search

of those 17 other bodies she had claimed were on the farm Which I'm still like where are funny. Where are those? Yeah, she literally was laughing There were other times where she would raise her hand and try to ask questions like I said At one point she yelled out that she couldn't bear to watch when she found out that her taped confession was going to be played in the courtroom She literally screamed out that she couldn't bear to watch and she was removed from the courtroom. I'd be like too bad. It was because she was like they were going to make her, but then she was disrupting the courtroom. Now during the second week of the trial there were four prosecution witnesses

that didn't show up for one reason or another. And then finally they were, they did like show up, they were able to get kind of like swindindled, I guess, to be coming. And they said that Susan Monica was a great boss and they had nothing negative to say. Other than that, she and Robert Haney never seemed to get along. But there was another specific witness that didn't live too far from the farm.

And she testified that she heard screaming matches coming from Susan's property on multiple occasions, especially late at night. And they were like presumed to be between Robert and Susan. Then another man who worked on Susan's property said that around the time Robert Haney disappeared that she had started acting differently and started acting more irritated.

Oh, then there was also an inmate called the testify who once shared a cell with Susan Monica. She testified that Monica had given her a birthday card and signed it quote, the sweetest murderer in Jackson County. What? So she literally was like, HBD, hope you got all your wishes.

Maybe we'll make a cake. Love the sweetest murderer in Jackson County. And they, That's a Tyler Habbley shit. Like, they have hammer time. Yeah, it's, Oh, that kid is such a fucking awesome. Yeah.

But the Selmae Jordan Ferris alleged that they got more than just a birthday card too. Jordan Ferris testified that while she and Susan Monica were being held together, together at the Jackson County jail, Susan told her what really happened in the case of Robert's death. She said, quote, Susan told me that Robert and her got into an argument because he was drunk and he was trying to come onto her. She shot him and then pushed him into the pig pen. That's that that's that second story come back again.

She said that before and you're saying it to people in jail. Seems like a my beligit. Now Susan Monica said that she signed the birthday card like that because those were just the charges she was facing at the time. No, that doesn't make sense. No. And then her attorneys tried to say that it was just her six cents of humor.

No. Yeah. That's not a six cents of humor. That's literally incriminating yourself. Exhausted. So I hope that you got a big, ha ha laugh out of it. Right. Because now you're, you just incriminated yourself.

Like, was it funny? You wrote that down on a piece of paper. Yeah. Was it worth it? Was it joke? And she had said, like, even in her, even like when she was being questioned, she said, like, I guess my six sense of humor has finally turned around on me,

like trying to say that because she had joked, which, first of all, let's not joke about feeding people to pigs. Well, that's, it's like, that's not a six sense of humor. A dark sense of humor, six sense of humor, I have a fucked up sense of humor. Like, I's not a six sense of humor. A dark sense of humor, six sense of humor. I have a fucked up sense of humor. Like, I have a dark ass sense of humor. I've never heard you say that you were gonna feed

anyone to the pigs. No, I never joke about actually murdering someone like that. Cause that's not a joke. Cause that's not, you are incriminating yourself. Like, that is literally you saying you're gonna, I don't know, it doesn't make any sense. You can have a six sense of humor, but when you're writing your signing cards,

I would never sign a card like this shortest murderer in all the land, like, and then be like, what? I just, people think I'm a murderer, so I just wrote it. Like, no, it's a big sense. I think it makes any sense. And she's like, I feel like she was trying to say like, all like these people are outcasting me because I don't have the same humor as they do.

And I'm like, no, they're outcasting you because you push to a live man into a pig penning film. And it's, well, that's, it's like, dude, I understand, like, you got pigs. You make a joke, like, you know what? Stop teasing me, or I'm gonna feed you to my pigs. It's like, that's, okay, that's funny because, like, you think people won't actually do that.

Of course. But when you've actually done it, that's not a six-sense humor anymore. That's a modus operandi. Ah, yeah. Like, you can't, you can't equate the two things. No, you cannot. If you did not actually feed people to your pigs,

sure that would be a funny joke to make. Right. But you actually did it. That's where the joke ends. You see? That's where there is no joke. You see where that line is, Susan? No.

It's where that joke doesn't become funny anymore. Susan does not see lines. I love that she's like, people just don't get my fucking sense of humor. And it's like, because you did it. Yeah. Like, are you did it? You did that.

I don't understand. Now, in the prosecution's closing arguments, the senior assistant deputy district attorney, Alan Smith reminded the jurors that Susan's ever changing stories didn't match the forensic evidence that was left behind. There were acts blows to these bodies. I was going to say the medical examiner said. Yeah, exactly. There was an ex used. Christine Herbert, one of Susan's defense attorneys, said in her closing arguments, just because Susan is different and weird and strange doesn't make her murderer.

Yeah, no one's saying it does. And I'm also like, wow, thank you. I feel like cool. She's different and she's weird. And she's strange. And she's strange. But she's not murder. And I'm like, oh, but all the evidence

would lead me to the contrary believe. That's what kills me when they do that kind of shit in a trial when they're like, okay, you're just trying to convict this person because they're strange and they're goss or they're like into this or into that. Right. And it's like, or they make jokes about being a little bit pissed. No, like absolutely. Like look at the West Memphis 3 case.

Of course you can't do that. You can't just look at somebody. It happens all the time. But when there's physical evidence and somebody literally saying like, yeah, like a not underdress, it freely admitting of their own volition. Like, yes, I did that. I created him in the picture. Multiple times. We're not judging her based off of,

apparently she has a dark sense of humor or she's weird or something like that. Nobody's judging that. We're judging her because she's a murderer. We're judging her based off of the fact that we found a severed leg on her property. On her property. At the femur leg on her property.

And she was like, oh yeah, I gotta talk to you about that. It just seems like so patronizing, because it's like, oh yeah, of course you don't want to judge a book by its cover. No. Of course not. And again, I say West Memphis Three cases, the perfect prime example of that.

It truly is. Perfect. This is not that case. Not in the middle. There's evidence to back this up. A leg was found on her property. Need I say more? There were skeletal bones buried on the property.

It's like that's a very different situation. There was a skull and spinal cord left of Steven Delacino buried on the property behind a barn. And then, what about the dozens and dozens of pairs of shoes? Yeah, it's like, come on. That's not strange and weird, that's sus. That's very sus.

Yeah. So on the last day of trial, Yeah, it's like that's not strange and weird that's sus. That's very sus. Yeah So on the last day of trial while the judge was trying to explain Damn it. I'm like ah on the last day of trial the judge was trying to explain to the jury like the instructions and how to Deliberate and everything and in the middle of that Susan Monica raises her hand again for one last fucking time She goes I'd like to demonstrate how I shot him for 10 seconds. Oh, yeah. So at first, at first, the judge ignored her because he was like, we're almost done with this. Because he's like, what are you, what are you,

what are you even talking about? And then, what are you even talking about? Then she interrupted again and lifted her hands to demonstrate how she was holding the gun and said, I held the gun like this and is like yelling while yelling while he was trying to tell his jurors what to do. So at that point, the judge had her removed from the courtroom and she was held until the jury came back with their verdict and they only deliberated for an hour. And when she came back to the courtroom and it was time for the verdict to be read, she

asked that it happened ASAP because it didn't seem to matter. She said. Wow. So, on April 21, 2014, like I said, that jury came back only after having deliberated for an hour. And Susan Monica was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to a minimum of 50 years in prison and given no opportunity for parole. Judge Tim Barnack told her, "'You shot two people and fed them to your pigs. I don't know how else I can put it.

You valued pigs more than you valued people. It may sound harsh, but your cold-blooded killer. No, it doesn't sound harsh to me. It doesn't sound harsh at all. I think what she did on her farm sounds pretty harsh. Sounds like facts. Cold cards straight up to me. So she was sent to the Coffee Creek Correctional Facility in Wilsonville, Oregon.

Susan herself has said that she does not value human life. She has said, quote, I do not value human life very much. My feeling is the only thing wrong with the planet is that there's people on it. If not for us, all the other animals, even dodo birds would be here. Okay. Okay. Robert Haney Sun, said of his father, quote, my dad was a good humble person that shouldn't have been murdered. At least he's finally able to rest in peace. And then when asked about Susan Monica, Steven Delicino actually had a daughter, and she told oxygen, quote,

she has changed so many people's lives and taken away two people that were loved. I hope she's remorseful for what she did and that maybe one day she can find it in herself to forgive herself, and I hope that I can forgive her. Wow. Which I was like, what a strong person you were. I know, damn.

I'm always like an awe when family members can be, have that kind of attitude towards it. I'm like, yes. Absolutely. Or far more evolved than I am. And I felt sad for her because Stephen Delacino like was kind of similar to Robert Haney in the regard where like his kids wouldn't talk to him

for a certain amount of time, but like he was like off working. While he was off working, but she was like, we never got to have the relationship that I wanted to have with him because of Susan Monica because he was taken, because he was taken from his life way too soon. Well, he was just trying to be like a hard working guy.

Right, you know, both these guys. So I tried to find out also what happened to Susan Monica's farm in the aftermath of the trial. I really couldn't find a lot. Like, I was like, what is going on at this farm? But there was an article talking about the multiple cold violations and things like the fact that there was no running water on this farm.

What? Or even proper sewage facilities. Oh, yeah. The article said that Susan Monica would have been the one responsible to fund this potential cleanup, which is going to cost like thousands of dollars. And it was because she owned the property out, right?

And so she would either have to deal with it that way, like from her prison cell, or she would have to deed it to somebody else who would then take on that job. But they were saying that she wasn't ready to sell the property, and she wanted to wait until her appeal, like her automatic appeal was filed, which I couldn't find anything about the appeal. So I don't know anything about the appeal, so I don't know if it just hasn't happened yet, or if it happened and didn't work. But it sounds like a lot of hazardous waste

might just be still chilling at that farm. Oh, damn. Yeah, and this was in 2015 that it finally wrapped up. Holy shit. I couldn't find anything else. Wow. So I'm like, anybody in Oregon wanna drive past that farm for me and let me go and watch.

Oregon, what's going on with that farm? Can you tell us? Please tell me. Holy shit. Rogue River. What's up? But like don't go on it. Don't go on the farm.

Be careful. Like there's straight up hazards. Yeah, don't do that. I'm encouraging you to not go anywhere near that. Don't do that. But like, the like, drive by. Drive by. Like let us know if it's still there.

Maybe, maybe don't roll down your window. Yeah, don't keep your windows up. But don't go in there. I just want to know if they did anything to clean it up. Yeah, I just want to know if it's the way. Maybe. Maybe don't roll down your window. Yeah, don't keep your windows up, but don't go in there. I just want to know if they did anything to clean it up. Yeah, I just want to know if like what is it just still how it was or is it? They must have done something. I just couldn't find anything. Wow.

But she was going to have to pay for the cleanup. That's a truly wild case. I feel so horrible for those two men and their families. Seriously. Just like hard work in handy men. And they still had so much of their life left. Yeah, they were young like they're mid to late 50s. Yeah, hard work in handyman. And they still had so much of their life left. Like, they were young. Like, they're mid to late 50s.

Yeah, that's young. Absolutely. And that whole life. That's what it meant. Children had families. And it sounded like Robert Haney especially. Like, he wanted to help whoever had been hurt in his family.

He would have been sexually assaulted. Oh. It sounded like such a stand up guy. Oh, it's just really sad. It is. So that is the case of Susan Hanukkah, who was in prison for 50 years now. I feel like I've heard, like,

I did not hear all the details of that, but I think I heard that case, like what it was about generally, but I didn't know. I had never heard of the details. Yeah, I'd never heard of it. And then I was looking through our suggestion box and everybody was like, cover this case

and they kept mentioning Willie Picton like that. Oh wait, every time he spoke, I was like, Willie Picton, Willie Picton. And when you see the farm, I don't know who's as worse. Yeah, I think they're neck and neck. I mean, they're real bad. It's disgusting. Did you look up the farm while you were doing it?

I did, yeah. Yeah, it's really rough. Yeah. Wow, thank you for that. You're welcome for that. And we hope you keep listening. We hope you keep it weird But not something that you joke about feeding people to your pigs because you really shouldn't even make that joke about like murdering people It's not really funny to joke about murder and definitely if you're gonna even joke about murder

Which I told you not to do definitely don't then go and murder somebody and feed them to your pigs because that's really incriminating and like you know yeah, you're on your own with that one. Yeah, I'll do that. Bye. Bye. Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey.