Morbid - Episode 276: The Murder of Nona Dirksmeyer

Episode Date: November 9, 2021

Nona Dirksmeyer was just 19 years old when her boyfriend, Kevin, found her late on the afternoon of December 15, 2005. She and Kevin Jones were high school sweethearts who had been dating for 5 years. There was never anything in their relationship that would hint at Kevin having a temper or flying off the handle, but immediately all suspicion landed on him. You won’t believe how botched the crime scene was and will be shocked when you hear that the person who may have done this had been lurking in the shadows the whole time.  As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Get up to fourteen free meals—plus, three free gifts!—with code morbid14 at HelloFresh.com/morbid14 Curology: You can start your Curology journey just like I did with a free 30-day trial at Curology.com/MORBID. If prescribed, just pay $5 for shipping and handling. Norton LifeLock: Save  25% or more off your first year of Norton three sixty with LifeLock at Norton.com/MORBID BetterHelp: Special offer for Morbid listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid Modern Fertility:  Right now, Modern Fertility is offering our listeners $20 off the test when you go to Modern Fertility.com/morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey weirdos, I'm Alena, I'm Ash. And this is morbid in the morning. It is, which might be why we both sound like, I know I always sound like a lot grittier in the morning. Yeah, I like that grittier. Yeah, you know, I'm grittier when I wake up. I haven't even had a single coffee yet. I'm actually having a liquid IV. Ooh, you really are. I like to start my morning with them. I'm having coffee, I'm having my one and a half coffees. When I got to Alainus, there wasn't an F coffee

in the pot for me. So like, are we even sisters? I blame John. I blame John. I blame all of you. I mean, I'll make it more. She offered too, but I was like, it's okay. So I think this week there wasn't, you know,

there wasn't any real movement in like the Gabby Petito case or anything, which is what we've been kind of slowly updating on as much as we can. I'm worried that that's going to fizzle out. Yeah, I'm a little worried about it. And I actually, I wanted to mention another missing persons case that I've been following really closely. And I know Ash has to. Yeah.

If you follow us on social media, you might have seen us retweet a bunch of stuff about it. It's a man named Daniel Robinson. And he went missing on June 23rd. And it was near, he was missing near Sun Valley Parkway and Cactus Road in Buckeye, Arizona. Yeah. He's a geologist. And he has been missing now for months.

They know sign of him. His father is like, his father has been working tirelessly. Yeah. tirelessly to get his son home. And I think his vehicle was found on July 19th, but we still have not found Daniel. There's been a bunch of searches. They've brought in people from out of state. People have been a bunch of searches. They've brought in like people from out of

state, people have been driving from out of state to get there to help with the search. If you want to like follow this case and help out as much as you can because we're trying to get the word out, you can follow them on Twitter. The father has been updating constantly at, at please help find for the number four. So at please help find for and you can find all of the information. He's also got a website up that's please help find Daniel.com. I can imagine like being a parent, yeah, having that happen to you. I can't. No, it's horrific.

And just to not know, well, there is know, there's no trace of him whatsoever. Yeah, it's driving me nuts and I want this family to get some closure or some kind of happy ending here. I really want it. Seriously. So, if you can, take a look at the website. If you have Twitter, go on Twitter and see if you can follow them. If you can either help or retweet just to get the word out.

Maybe someone knows something. So that's the one that I've been following really closely, same here. But I think other than that, there really isn't a ton of true crime news happening this week. I haven't seen much other than that. There's, we won't get into it too much, but that astroworld concert is disgusting. Wild. The fact that he didn't stop the show. No, I'm horrified.

I'm horrified by the entire thing. We were just sitting here talking about the amount of people that have stop shows and Travis Scott himself has stopped a show before because he thought someone was stealing a shoe. Yeah, but can't do it. People were getting trampled. Like Dave Grohl, Kurt Cobain, his stop shows.

Like, come on. And how it's happened all the time. Rage againsthl, Kurt Cobain, his stop shows, like, come on. And how it's happened all the time. Rage against the machine, radio head, they've all stopped shows. I've been at shows where they've stopped and people were like moshing and stuff. And they've been like, yo, like, calm down, like the story so far.

I went to a concert and he made everybody, what's Parker Cannon made everybody like chill out. Yeah, Andrew McMahon is known for, for like something corporate shows and Jack's Man it can show something, it's like a maw show and it's something corporate or Jack's Man but people do. But people get like rowdy.

Yeah. And if somebody's like doing something inappropriate, they'll stop the show and be like, hey chill out, like this isn't what this is about. Right. So the whole thing is just really, really fucked up. But I mean, we'll find know what was really going on there and Wowsers, but

That's not what we're talking about today. What are we talking about today? Today we are talking about the Kind of unsolved case of the murder of Nona Carol Dirk's Meyer. Oh, I don't know this one. This one is also called the Beauty Queen Murder? Oh, which I thought, yeah, I know, which I was like, I wonder why Ash hasn't seen this one. I know, I haven't, I don't think I've heard of this one. No, this one's a crazy one. I hadn't heard of it before. I just like randomly came across it.

Yeah. And I think, and I think it's on like date line and stuff that they called the Beauty Queen Murder. Of course, they don't, they must have like the episode names. But this one's a crazy one because it's unsolved, but I think they know who did it. The twinkle in your eyes tells me that it's not unsolved. I don't think it's totally unsolved.

And I'm really hoping at the end of this that maybe, you know, sometimes when we do cases like this where it's like, yeah, and it's unsolved but like, I know no movement has happened but we need something. I feel like the universe listens a little bit and something moves sometimes. Yeah, like with that Ellen Greenberg case.

The Ellen Greenberg case, like that was wild. I know, and I was so happy about that. I was like, hell to the yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's happened a couple of days. Like the Lori Valokase, that was fucking crazy. That was nuts. Like, and we still haven't even updated that. We got update, that one really needs update.

Yeah, we got update, it goes on that one, but it's been wild. Yeah, just it's still it's been still unfolding but this is one of those that I'm like hope I'm like hello universe. Hi Can we get movement on this? I think it's gonna happen So let's talk about Nona which first of all I love the name Nona um that's really um like Ironic because I was listening to that bowling for soup song. Oh, yeah, and it's like her name is no no She's a wrong I love that that's weird. Yeah, that's because that's not it's a unique name It is and I was listening to that like my space playlist that I don't always listen to so my space playlist

I love it So no no was born December 26th, 1985. So, she is essentially your twin, then. Yes, which is another reason why this case, when I started getting into it, I was like, wow, I feel connected to her. But that's like two days apart. Same year and everything.

It's two days apart. That's weird. Isn't that weird? She was born in Zachary East Baton Rouge Parish, and that is in Arkansas. Okay. She grew up and that is in Arkansas. Okay. She grew up in Russellville, Arkansas. She was born to Paul and Carol Dirk Smire.

She has four brothers and one sister. She was described as super sweet, super kind, funny, smart, very motivated to do just like great things in life and make a difference in people's lives, especially the lives of children. She was very into making children, you know, have the best possible, you know, childhood. She was fighting against child abuse.

She was fighting against childhood sexual abuse. And she had a reason for that because although she grew up with, you know, a loving mother and, you know, siblings and a nice home and everything, she had a rough childhood because her father was sexually abusing her, her biological father. That's horrific. And what's even worse is she wasn't telling anybody. She didn't tell anybody, not her mother, no one. And actually, her mother Carol didn't find out until her biological father died when Nona was just 10 years old. Oh my God.

Which tells you how young she was when this was going on. I was just gonna say, that's insanely young. Isn't that horrific? And then you feel so horrible for her mom because it's like, she's been married to this man that she has like five children with. Yeah.

And she has no idea that this is happening. Then he dies, so she's probably upset. And then she finds out that that was happening. Yeah. Like the person you were married to is a monster and you had no idea. That must be... Because I always think this thing with, you know, when we hear like couples who have been married and one of them kills the other.

And it's like every time I just like, I can't help but put myself in like there and be like how? Like how? Right. And how scary, how much scary is that that you think you know someone? And you're sleeping next to a stranger? Yeah, you put all your faith and trust in this person that you are gonna spend your whole life with. And in her mind like he's like the protector probably. Yeah, like it's like, well it's like you had children with this man. Yeah. And you have children that they, you're, they're supposed to protect and love and cherish as much as you do. Yeah.

And they are destroying one of them. That's horrific. Do you know if she was the only one? I, I'm not sure that because there's very little about that. It's just kind of like glossed over. I think because it's really like, I think she was, like, she, honestly, when she was younger, she was very shy about it and wanna talk about it, obviously, but then when she got older, she became one of those unique unicorns that uses that kind of trauma to help everyone else around her.

That's amazing. Which is like, like, no one truly seems like she was just like a total unicorn of a person. She had to have been to go through that and then to like turn it around and help everybody else. Oh yeah, she's absolutely stunning. I need to look at a picture. I mean, dropped it. Like, she has a smile that is so genuine. And so like, she just like radiates something. And we always joke that they constantly use the same phrase on these date line shows and stuff that when she walked in the room, she lit up a room when she walked down.

Nona fits that. She really, I just look at a picture of her. And she genuinely does. Yeah, she just seems like she's one of those people that you just wanna be around. She just radiated that. And she took does. Yeah, she just seems like she's one of those people that you just want to be around. She just radiated that. She does. And she took that kind of horrific trauma

that none of us can even fathom. And she turned it into a platform later where she wanted to help... Yeah, where she was trying to help children never have to go through that. Or help children who were going through that. Right. Which is huge. Now, her mother Carol said she was quoted as saying about finding

that out. After her husband's death, it was horrible. It's such the end of my world. I just couldn't believe something like that would happen, but I knew enough to know that she was telling the truth. Of course. Yeah. Which you must just, I can't. I just break you as a person. It's a horrible, horrible thing. Now, Nona started dating a boy named Kevin Jones in high school. They actually knew each other since kindergarten. And we're like great friends their whole life. Oh, that's really cute.

Which is adorable. She actually, Kevin was the one that she, one of the only people she told about the abuse that she was suffering from her father. When they went to dover high school together, they fell in love and started dating. I love love. Isn't that kind of adorable

that they knew each other since kindergarten? It is. And just like, I know I could see in your big, you're like, yeah, it's cute. I'm like, why are you shoving a time I throw out a few days? Yeah, I guess it's cute. Yeah, they do each other a long time.

It's pretty cute, in my opinion, it's cute. Now, they were immediately inseparable. I mean, it's high school relationship You know like you want to be around each other all the time That is unless you're my high school boyfriend who Didn't ever want to be around me. Yeah, he says but yeah, he's the worst if you're listening Hope you're doing well. I didn't know study my school boyfriend. I was just terrorizing the lives of others. I will say that I will say though. I will say though.

I think like high school, it's such an immature time. Oh yeah. You don't know how to be in an actual functioning relationship. No you certainly don't. And if you do kudos to you because I certainly didn't know I was a nightmare. Yeah so everybody learns. Hey there fellow podcast listener, it's Elena. And Ash.

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Now, Kevin's mom actually thought that they were going to be together forever. She was like, I was ready waiting for after high school for the proposal and the wedding. Like, she loved Nona. They really got along with each other's family. This is way due picture perfect. And it's gonna ruin me.

And I could feel it. Kevin's mom said she thought they were so good for each other. They brought out the best in each other. All right. Now, she started competing in beauty competitions when she got a little older. Right.

Now, a lot of people call her an unlikely beauty queen, but not because she didn't look like a beauty queen. I was going to say because she's like, she's like, she's rock dead. She was one of those that you would see her on the stream be like, you are beautiful. You're beautiful. Right. Like, you're like a unicorn. And, but she was really shy.

Okay. People described her as like, painfully shy growing up, which is understandable. I'm sure it has a little bit to do with some trauma. Yeah, I don't think so. And also, I mean, I was super shy when I was little. So, and I remember when I was little, I was super, super shy, but I loved theater. So when you got me on a stage,

I could be confident and like speak and be like, lol, lol, lol. Yeah. But then you get me in normal life. And I was like, and I just like wouldn't say anything. I know that I relate like, la la la. But then you get me in normal life. And I just wouldn't say anything. I know that I relate everything back to Bravo, like everything in the entire universe, but we watch for interprompirals.

And if anything is to, it reminds me of Raquel. Yeah, like the beauty queen. Yeah, like they were saying recently, like she's like so painfully shy, like can't have a speaker and think her, and like super insecure, but then she's on stage and she's like gorgeous and like that's her escape where she can talk

and not be so shy. Well, that's, it's like a lot of people, myself included, I used to like rag on beauty pageants and all that, like a lot of people do. But I feel like those, at least if it makes somebody feel confident and it gives them like a, you know, and it seems like it does to a lot of people. Like if it gets gets out of your shell

And it makes you feel like confident and like better about yourself and better about speaking in front of people It then like right on right on man But Kevin actually said a lot of people said that once she started these beauty competitions It did that for her. It really opened her up. She felt confident She could see how beautiful she was. Yeah, see how beautiful she was inside. Like she was starting to really like just blossom. You're gonna fucking ruin me. Yeah, I know. This one really like hurt my heart. Yeah. Now she went on to win Pope County Beauty Queen, Miss Teen, Nibo or Nebo. Sorry, I can saw. It's Arkansas. Nibo. I'm not sure. I have never been to our

house. I hope this is another Napperville incident. I don't think so. I feel like that would, I feel like that's a once in a lifetime. One would hope. And when she was at the time that she was actually killed, she was the reigning Miss Petty Jean Valley. And I looked that up for you, Arkansas. Yeah, so. And the pronounce name of the lady did say, Peugeot. Oh yeah, we did, when I looked it up, it first said, Peugeot.

Peugeot. Peugeot. Which sounds very nice. Peugeot. But then I found a true arcan, Sazian. Who said, Sazian. Who said, it is petty gene. That's how we say it.

Don't get it twisted. So don't get it twisted. So for you, Arkansas, Petty Jean Valley, and that's, she was the reigning queen. Okay. She had also competed in Miss Arkansas. So she was like, oh shit. She was like, the move in her way off.

A big time in the beauty competition circuit there. Now, like I had talked about before, she made preventing child abuse her platform. Like she talked about it, she talked about what she went through. Like she was an open book. She just like laid it all out there. So vulnerable to be able to do that. That's so brave.

And to use it to help other kids. And she was volunteering as a big sister, like the big sister, little sister organization. Oh, I love that. And she was especially working with girls who have dealt with sexual abuse or just abuse in general. Now, not only was she doing it as her platform,

she's volunteering her time to do this outside of school too. Those people were always the best people. I used to go to the Y after school and the big brother and big sisters would come. And I remember just thinking that they were the coolest fucking kids. Like I was like, I wanna be like, hard when I grow up.

And they're doing it willingly, taking the time to do that. So it's like, they really are just like a different breed of people. And a lot of times I feel like it's people who have gone through like something traumatic or just like something shitty, you know? And that want to give back,

you want to help and want to make sure that it doesn't happen to somebody else. Now, she also had apparently a very beautiful soprano singing voice, which that is a difficult one because I always wanted to be a soprano and I was always an alto, alto. She actually sang in her church choir and people said she had a voice like an angel. She looks like the voice that would kind of eat be like, oh yeah, of course.

It's like a fairy voice. Yeah. And should they set her speaking voice was also very like angelic and just like sweet and pleasant to listen to. So again, no, no, when she walked into a room, she lit the fucking room. Oh, yeah. Like that is very clear. Now, her mother ended up getting remarried eventually. I think when she was around 19 and her stepfather, Duane, was kind of like strict with the household rules, which is like not a bad thing. It's just the way he was. Yeah. And it wasn't anything crazy. Like there was no reports of anything like, you know, that they did get a longer abusive or anything like that.

But she was just like 19 at this point. She wanted to have a little independence. So she got her own apartment. And she was in college. I can just like hear like, if you don't like my roles get your own. And she was like, all right. How much did we all hear that growing up?

Of course. Now, the only people who had a key to this apartment were Nona, her mother, and Kevin, her boyfriend. Right. Now, in 2004, she and Kevin had started together at the same college because this is just a hallmark movie up till this point. This is really sweet. They went to Arkansas, tech university, and Russellville.

So in the same hometown, like, this is just, while I was reading through it, I was like, wow, you can't get sweeter than that. And more wholesome than this so far. But you know what's gonna happen. But it just, yeah, there's some darkness. But I don't. I'm stressed. Yeah.

She was a music major, and at the time of her death, she was a sophomore. Now, the year after they started college together, Kevin actually transferred out. He transferred to the University of Arkansas. That was a good 90 minutes away. Okay. Yeah, 90 minutes away. And so they started having to do like the long distance thing, because even though it's 90 minutes, you're still much farther away than you were before. Yeah. They've never had to deal with distance. Right. And his parents lived

in Dover, Arkansas. So they continued, Everything was fine. He would come visit. We would do that whole thing. We've all we've all either seen friends do it or we've done it ourselves. Now December 14th, 2005. This is the same year that he has transferred out. Kevin was coming home for Christmas break. And he immediately stopped by to see Noan on his way home, you know, to Dover. Yeah. They hung out that evening. Okay. You know, what? I thought you were going to be like, he comes home for Christmas break.

Oh, you're like, I'm like waiting for it. You're like, what is it? No, they're hanging out that evening. They, you know, talked about their plans for the following day, which they both had separate plans. Okay. She had plans that she had a couple of finals that she was going to be doing. Okay. And she was also going to be meeting with her little sister, not her biological little sister,

her little sister from the big sister program. For the big sister program. Gotcha. And they were just going to be hanging for a little bit and then she would go to another final. Yeah. Now, Kevin was going to be taking his mother, Janice, that following night, to a holiday party, because his mom was a librarian at a school and it was a faculty Christmas party and he agreed to escort her there. Oh, pretty adorable.

I thought you mean he was just like driving her but you're like going to bring her to the party. That's so cute. So they had a night on the 14th. They had like a nice night together and he drove to his family's home in Dover which was I think about 20 miles away From known as apartment in Russellville. Yeah, nothing too crazy

He drove about like a little after midnight home. Okay, when they got home when he got home They spoke on the phone. I think around sorry, I had a hiccup They spoke on the phone close to like 130. Okay. So December 15th, 2005, this is the following day. No one was going to be home alone in the apartment. This was the Inglewood apartment complex. And again, she had that final exam in the morning. She had won a little later that day.

And in between, she would be meeting with her little sister. She never met with her little sister. Oh no. She was also supposed to call Kevin after her final. Just so they could talk, they just wanted to like touch base. She didn't call. Never did. Now that morning at 9.04 a.m., she had sent him a text message at 9.

At 9.004 a.m. that said, good morning, cuddle muffin. I love you and hope you have a great day. Shut the fuck up. Now, it was hours after she should have been done with that final and he had heard nothing. So he was starting to freak out a little bit. He said he called her multiple times. And then when it rolled around, I think he sent her a text message around 4.28 pm, I believe it was. That just said, you alive.

Now, immediately when we find out, because we do know that Nona was murdered. Obviously. Everyone saw that text message and was like, wait a second. Yeah. Which I get. I know, because at first I actually was gonna be like, what?

But then in my head I was like the amount of time. How many times do you say that text? I've sent it to John while he's downstairs. So he's like not getting me me something that I'm like, can you just grab me that really? Yeah. I'm like, are you alive? Drew will go to like Target and the line will be long and I'm like, are you alive?

Are you alive? Or is my Fenty? It's something you definitely just said. Yeah. And again, you can look at it both ways. Yeah. But I don't know why like somebody who murdered someone would text you alive.

Yeah, I know that'd be great. That would be like a very damning thing to do. I don't know. Yeah. Now, 6 p.m. rolls around. This is when he's going to be bringing his mom, Janice, to the holiday party. So they're in the car. They're on their way.

And Kevin's telling her about the whole thing. Because again, she loves known. And he's like, I'm worried. He's like, I'm worried. He's like, I'm worried. He's like, I'm worried. He's like, I just can't reach her. She's not reaching me back.

I don't know what's going on. Like I'm a little worried, mom. Like I don't know if I can like go to this whole party and like be thinking about this. I feel like I need to find out what's wrong. Right. And she's like, yeah, like figure it out. So he, on the way to the party, he calls his friend Ryan.

His friend Ryan happens to be a pizza delivery guy. Okay. And he's deliver speeches in known as neighborhood in Russellville. Okay. Because again, that's their hometown. It's not like a weird thing. Yeah. Right.

And so he calls Ryan and he's like, you're working tonight, right? And he's like, you're delivering in that area. And he's like, can you just stop by known as apartment and see if her car's there? Yeah. So Ryan's like, all right, cool. So Ryan calls back and he's like, yeah, her car is here and the light is on in her apartment. So he's like, all right, cool. So Ryan calls back and he's like, yeah, her car is here and the light is on in her apartment. So he's like, okay. So he's like, can you knock on the door for me? And so Ryan knocks on the door. No one answers. And he's like, Kevin, no one's answering the door.

But I like the lights on her car. And her car is there. Yeah, that's so they're like, all right, this is weird. So Janice and Kevin are like, let's go to her apartment. We'll stop there on the way to the party. Yeah. Check this out. So they race to the apartment and Kevin and Ryan tried to open the front door. They knocked again, nothing. They tried to pry it open, nothing. So it's locked. So they go around the back and she has a sliding glass door. It doesn't Kevin have a key though. Now he does. I'm glad you thought of that, but he didn't bring it with him.

It was at home. Oh, okay. Which he was like, I just didn't think I would need that key. Like, yeah. I was implanting to stop by her house. Like I didn't plan to see her that night. I was going to the party with my mom and coming home.

Yeah. So he said, he was at my house. I just didn't have it. Okay. So they went to the back to the glass sliding door. Now, she was known, I guess, for using that burglar bar on the glass sliding door so you can't open it. Yep, we've always had one of those. Yeah, hell yeah, get a burglar bar. They're amazing.

There are at least another step that somebody has to take to get into your house. And it's really hard to open it. Oh, you can't open it. Yeah, like you would have to smash the window. But she always had it in there and they look and it's not in there, but the door is locked, but the burglar bar just isn't there. The door is locked and the burglar bar is not there. Which is weird because she always puts the burglar bar there. Yeah. And if she's alone, if she's home alone, she's definitely putting it there and locking

the door. Right. So they were like, this is weird. They were able to pry open the glass door because again, without a burglar bar, they were able to do it. When they ran in there, they saw some blood on the Venetian blinds as they went into the sliding glass door. Oh, no. When they walked into the living room, they immediately saw Nona nude only wearing white socks face down in a puddle of her own blood. Now, according to them, Kevin ran to her, grabbed her immediately, like, hugged her to him and was like sobbing and trying to wake her up. That's his girlfriend of five years. Yeah. And his mom immediately called 911. Okay. So the

police get there and she, Nona, is already dead. She was 19 years old. Now when they got there, they saw, like I said, she was lying face down in a pool of blood. Her eyes were closed, her face was covered in blood. She only had the white socks on, that's it. That's a very eerie range. And very strange. Right. She was there any clothes like in sight?

I don't think so, but they didn't lay they didn't put it in the reports. Okay. Now she was stabbed, which we'll talk about. I mean, the police where Keir was not a plus as we'll find out. Good. She was stabbed in the neck with several stabs as well on her shoulder. Now it's the same shoulder that she was stabbed in the neck, the same side. And they said likely she was trying to defend herself by bringing her shoulder up to protect her neck. Which is what you would do. And so the person was stabbing her shoulder.

Which is so like rage filled. She had also been viciously beaten in the head. Viciously. And they believe the murder weapon they know was definitely the very heavy base of a lamp that they used. And lamp. Yeah. And it was broken in three pieces next door. Are you serious?

In the bottom of this lamp, the crime scene photo show, it's like a heavy metal lamp. And the bottom is one of those thick, like a slant square base. Yeah, like one of those like almost like half dome, half-series. Oh, yep, yep. Yeah.

Oh, God. Yeah, so they believe that's what was used. There was blood stains on the light bulb and on the base of the lamp. The light bulb will become kind of important later. Weirdly, because immediately when you see that she was nude, you think. You would think, your mind is automatically gonna go that she was nude, you think. You would think your mind is automatically

going to go what she's sexually assaulted or raped. There was no sign of rape or sexual assault and no sign of a break in. So that's strange. And what's even stranger is there was a condom wrapper found on the table next to her. Like an opened and empty condom wrapper. It's just the wrapper, like no wrapper, which they didn't find the actual condom.

And which you can look at it in a million different ways. You can look at it as somebody did rape her or tried to rape her with a condom. Yep. You can also look at it as was that like from another day, was that Kevin's? Yeah. You can also look at it as it's another guy. Yeah. She's in college.

Yeah. Maybe it happened. It happened. But so they immediately looked at that. They also found her cell phone near her body and the battery was taken out. The battery? Yeah. And I found that a couple of sources, but I think that was one of those things that they

like didn't release right away, which is strange. Like I said, there was blood on the Venetian blinds by the sliding glass door, which also like I said had the burglar bar missing. Yeah. Again, she never didn't have that in there, so that was weird. And do you know if they like ever found the burglar bar? I think it was in the house. It just wasn't put in the, which is weird.

This is even worse. There was no samples of that blood taken on the Venetian blinds. They just like, didn't feel like it. The door and the blinds were not dusted for prints. The investigators didn't even go to the upstairs of her apartment. The door was industed for prints. Nope, and they didn't take any footprint or shoe print evidence either. So what did they do there? I think the front door was maybe dusted, but the sliding glass door was not.

Why would you not just do both entryways? And why would you not go upstairs? Well, there's more shut up stairs. And also, so the burglar bar isn't in the sliding glass door. There's blood on the Venetian blinds on the glass door. You're like somebody probably left. It's pretty clear that he left through that door. So maybe take that.

But it was locked. But it was locked. Do you think, like, how would he would have been able to lock it from the outside? I don't know. Huh. But I mean, then again, he somebody pried it right open. Yeah. Like, they pried on the one they got there.

So who knows if it was even like properly locked? Right, exactly. Like it could have maybe, it was jammed. Jim, maybe they just were in a panic and they couldn't open it. They were able to open it. So. Yeah.

So they didn't take any of that blood and there's, you know, because they had a pretty good idea of who they thought did it. So they didn't want to do the full court press. So they think it's Kevin. Of course. Because the boyfriend did it. Of course, because when they walked in,

he's covered in her blood, obviously. But he said, I was holding her. I ran and I grabbed her. Like, that's why I'm covered in her blood. And they were like, okay, that's convenient. That's convenient that you covered yourself in her blood. So it is. Which it, 100% I can see that.

But on the same token, if Drew, God forbid, was like, you're delimitered, I would 100% go over to his body and like, of course, I pick him up and like, of course. It reminds me of the Ellen Greenberg situation where I would 100% do that. Because I think when we, when we posted the Ellen Greenberg situation where I would 100% do that. I think when we posted the Ellen Greenberg episode,

I remember somebody was like, maybe the person just like didn't wanna go touch her. Like maybe her husband didn't wanna go touch her or fiance didn't wanna perform, like asked like, do I have to? Yeah, and I think somebody had commented that and I was like, yeah, no. I was like, if you love someone that's not,

you're not thinking of like you gross. That's not at all a thought in your head if you would truly love someone. And I feel like the thought of like, oh, I could contaminate this crime scene. It just wouldn't even go in my mind. Because you're not thinking rationally. No, you're just thinking, I love you, what the fuck?

It must be tunnel vision of just, I need to help the person I love. I don't, I'm not thinking of the investigation. I'm not thinking of anything. And whether it's realistic or not, like obviously I'm sure when they walked in she was very clearly dead, but I'm sure he was thinking like, can I resuscitate her? Like, can I?

And he says it later. I've never seen a dead body before. I didn't know she was dead. I don't know, like, and I didn't want her to be. Like that's, I was hoping she wasn't. How many times in the movies have we seen people like we're assassinated dead body and they're like, please come back, come back.

Yeah, exactly. That's horrible. And it happens all the time. It is. So I do understand that they're like, for sure. That's very convenient that he rubbed in the blood all over himself. And on the same token, absolutely.

I can see that. Yeah. And that's like, but I can totally see the other side. So here I get it. Why they immediately were like, and of course they're gonna zone in on a friend. You got it. But like, you also got a dust for fingerprints everywhere.

Exactly. That's the thing. It's like they had good thoughts and terrible thoughts. So he also, apparently one of the things that they kept pointing to is that, and I don't know why he would have said this. He told the cops that he watched a lot of Lawn Order. Okay, same.

Which I don't know if that was like him being like, if they said like, oh, we need to bring you to the station to talk to you and he's like, yeah, I watch a lot of Lawn Order. I know this works. You know, like, I wonder if Joe, like maybe that's his way to get through it. Like, maybe it was just like, you know, I know what needs to happen next. Yeah. But I don't know. And again, I get why they're like, what know, I know what needs to happen next. Like, but I don't know.

And again, I get why they're like, what the fuck would you tell me that? Like that's especially because later we're going to see that they're kind of looking at this crime scene as like a stage scenario. Okay. So if he's saying that, they already have in their head, how to stage a crime scene. This is stage. Well, you watch a lot of long order. Long order.

You must know how to make this look like somebody else. Everyone in their mom. Of course. Now, obviously, because he's the boyfriend, because of these like kind of weird comments and the fact that he's covered himself in her blood, he's prime suspect number one. And also because he has a key to the apartment. Okay, but he didn't even have it with him that day.

He had it with him that day. It's at his house. Yeah, yeah. I meant it with him that day. It's at his house. Yeah, yeah. I meant like when I went there. But she was killed way before they got there. I know. So what was he doing the rest of the day? I don't know.

And maybe he had the key. I just have this feeling that it wasn't him. I don't want it to be him for sure. Now, when the police, and the other thing that they said was when they got there, it almost looked like he wanted to show them that he was when they got there, it almost looked like he wanted to show them that he was covered in her blood, which to me says him just being like,

hello, the reason I'm covered in her blood is because I grabbed it like, hi, like this is happening. You know, like, I don't think that's him being like, hello, I bathed myself in the blood of my martyr victim. Like, I don't think that's what he was doing. I think he was like, hi guys, I'm just fine. He's just like, I'm just fine.

And I'm sorry I grabbed her because I love her. Like, I think that was more what I would take from that. Yeah, exactly. But they were like, yeah, it was weird, right? That he just decided to show us. Now, he spent several hours in interrogation at the police station that night. Obviously, he never once asked for a lawyer,

which I was like, Kevin, I was just going to a lawyer. Yeah, it's like, come on, man. But I think he was like, I'm innocent. Yeah, I'm innocent. He was saying I'm innocent. I don't need a lawyer. Now, when asked directly, did you kill Nona? He said he would kill himself before he ever hurt her.

Oh, yeah. He said I would never hurt before he ever hurt her. Oh. Yeah, he said I would never hurt her hair on her head. Okay. Now, obviously, yes, of course, but obviously we have heard actual murderers say that about people that they supposed to leave so- So it's a very hard one. You want to believe him, but you got to be a little sus. I could literally have a shirt that says the husband did it.

Exactly. You got to be sus. Right. That's all. You just got to says the husband did it. Exactly. You gotta be sus. Right. That's all. You just gotta put the intent up a little bit. Now, they obviously, you know, whenever they do this thing, they'll walk out of the interrogation room, leave the camera running, and watch how they act. Yes, see if you do like, good little ones or anything.

Yeah, we just guess what you're doing in there when you're all by yourself. Right. Because some people just confess into the empty room. Like sometimes like, at the bar. Yeah. And some people just act really weird at Jody Areas. Yeah. Now, Jones ended up like he was clearly upset.

And at one point he just is sitting in a chair and he just like turns to the side and starts violently punching the back of the chair. Like over and over and over and over and then stops and it's like, which I can't, that to me is in like, well, he's obviously murdered. I get it that they're, if they're looking at him as a violent person because of this, which he has no history of being a violent person.

Okay. If they're looking at it like he did this, then sure that behavior is like concerning. But also the love of his life just died and he's sitting in an interrogation room. Yeah, there's a lot of emotions happening. He's probably feeling like very frustrated with life at the moment. And if you look up the interrogation, the interviews, you can see, I feel like I always look at these things when somebody is being accused of something.

If it's me being accused of something I truly did not do, I get such anxiety and I will get very worked up to be like, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't do that. You start like, because you just want somebody to know, like, no, if I could show you that I didn't do this. Right. And whenever I see an interrogation,

somebody just being like, no, I didn't do this. When they're being accused of something, I'm like, I don't know, that's weird. Too calm. Too calm. And Kevin, they're telling him at one point, they're doing the good cop bad cop thing, where one of them is like, listen,

you failed all the tests, we know you did it. Somebody saw you do it. Oh, come on. The Google Earth car caught you on camera doing it. Like it's literally like, I'm telling him like, everybody knows you do it. The Google Earth car caught you on camera doing it. Like it's literally like, then telling him like, everybody knows you did that. To break him.

It's on TMZ that you did it. Like they'll tell him everything. Yeah. And he is sitting, and he's literally, you can tell he's like, holy shit. Like this is happening.

And he keeps being like, guys, no, like please talk to everybody. Talk to everybody. Everybody can tell you where I was. Like he's literally like panic, panic mode. And it's not panic mode, like I'm caught, it's panic mode. Like, oh my God, they're gonna West Memphis 3 me and hello, it's Arkansas.

I was gonna say the same place. And he's, he keeps saying, he's like, guys, I didn't do it. I promise. And he keeps saying like, what can I do to show you? I didn't do it. What can I do? Like, what can I do? Tell me what to do. Right. He's desk is begging them. Like, please let me prove this. You talk to everybody. I didn't do this. So to me right there, I was like, I didn't do it. Yeah. I don't feel like you did it. Yeah. And they took photos of his hands and stuff. There

wasn't a mark on him and his arms or anything. And they said, no, no fought her attacker. Yeah. So there would be, I was like a fight, I feel like there was like a fight. I feel like there would be a scratch or something. Now, they did interview about like 50 different people of interest that week. Like anybody that was nearby, like not, you know, suspects, which is people around that they had to clear.

Right. They also spoke with some men who Nona was also seeing. Okay. Because she was seeing other men. Okay. Now, Kevin did not know this. And they were able to rule these men out. Because I think they were just like casual college people. Yeah, he's far. Yeah. Now it's college. Yeah. And it's like, and as we'll see, he didn't know until after. So that's not, it doesn't seem to be.

That's so cool. Now they interviewed her stepfather Dwayne as well, of course, because he's another man in her life in the studies. I think it was known to be like strict, or poor and all that. And just any men around her are going to be interviewed. He had an alibi, he was shopping, he provided receipts. Okay.

One day before known as funeral, Kevin actually went to the Russellville Police Department on his own volition. They had talked to him earlier and said, we would like to talk to you again. Yeah. So if you could come at some point, so he showed up like right away.

He was like, all right, let's get this done. Like, I'm ready. Let's go. And he volunteered to come down and he said, quote, I'll do anything that you guys want me to do. I'll do a DNA test. I'll do anything. Mm-hmm.

Which is like pretty like, yeah, like if he's gonna give his DNA, I mean, I mean, that's, that tells me something. I mean, but at the same time, people have committed crimes and been like, take my DNA. Because as we've talked about before, killers are narcissists and they don't think that anybody is smarter than them. And they think they can get away with it. So sure, take my DNA because I'm magical and you won't be able to catch me still. I imagine.

Yeah, like I didn't leave any DNA so you can take it. Yeah, like they think that. But this is when he agreed to take a lie detector test as well. And the polygraph examiner said that he failed it miserably. Oh, yeah. Okay, but here's the thing. At first I was like, oh no. But then I'm like, that's not even like admissible.

Like it doesn't matter when we're the other really. As we've said before, lie detector tests are about as reliable as a hot dog in a trench coat. So, yeah, okay. Because the thing is obviously he's probably fucking panic and has like so much more to do with like your internal feelings than it does with like if you're like I could fail one of those easily. Yeah. It's one of those things that when it's paired with like a hundred other guilty things, you're like sure that's weird. Right. Like if you was found with

the knife in his hand and like his DNA was everywhere. Sure. And then he failed to. CCTV footage of him going into the place and coming out at the exact time that he was killed. Yeah. And then they were also like Andy failed to polygraph. I'd be like, wow, damning.

Damning evidence. For sure. But with this, I'm like, he's a 19 year old kid who's really stressed and just lost his girlfriend a five years. Yeah. And it's now being blamed for it. Right. Yeah.

When it really failed as well. Well, to me, so far, it definitely doesn't seem like he did this. Well, and what Kevin said was, quote, the man who gave it to me told me that he had not seen anybody fail a test worse in his 28 years of giving my detector tests. Okay. And they said there was no doubt in their mind that he murdered her. Told him that there's no doubt in our minds that you did this. It's on video.

And they're like, we know you killed her. We know you did it. Just admit it. Everybody knows it. And they were like, her parents know it. Everyone knows it. We all do. And he's literally like, oh, do you do?

Like he was just breaking down. But the funny story about the polygraph test, the guy who gave the exam wasn't a certified polygraph examiner. Do you like call him on? So funny. So so far, we haven't swept for fingerprints in the places where there was literal blood smears.

And now we've told him that he failed to polygraph miserably, but the guy giving the polygraph isn't even a polygraph giver. Yeah, he's not certified at least. Come on. And I feel like at the very least when you're giving polygraph exams, you should maybe be certified.

I don't know. That feels right to me. I feel like anytime you're doing any job, like you have to have some qualifications. Just have some certifications. Just certifications. And especially if like, are we gonna take your word? But like you're doing the same,

you're in the same spot that I could be giving the polygraph test and be like, oh, it's spiked, that means lie. Like, what? What does he even know for sure? Yeah, maybe he actually did really well on it. Yeah, maybe he just had it messed up. Now what's really sad is that this day, this was the day before known as funeral, it was her visitation hours.

Oh, like a wait. Yeah. Kevin had helped her family get gather clothing for it, had helped them plan it, like gone through the whole thing. When he showed up at the police station that day, they told him, we'll have you out in time for the visitation. Yeah, they promised him. He was there for about seven hours talking to them.

They got no more information that they could use. It wasn't a productive, the only thing that was productive in their end was you failed the polygraph. Giving him a fake polygraph. But they couldn't keep him, they couldn't arrest him, and they don't know more evidence that would point to him. No, he didn't know that he could leave. He probably had no idea that he could leave. Because if I like went, I mean like before, like we got into all of this, had I been in that position?

I'd be like, oh fuck, I can't leave. Yeah, and they're probably making it seem that way. Because that's their job too. And then it's, and then you don't want to look guilty. So you don't want to be like, I want to get out of here because then you're like, I think I'm not cooperating. And they're going to tell people I'm not cooperating. So it's a big long cycle of just like.

Yeah. So he was there for seven hours. He missed the visitation. I knew you were going to say that. And of course, everyone assumed he missed it because he was guilty. Right, that looks so shady. That looks so shady.

And I guarantee you that the police knew that in the back of their minds, and they were like, let's keep them here. This is gonna fit our fucking narrative. Exactly, and this is gonna get the community on our side, and here it is. Yeah, that's shitty. And her stepfather even said quote,

and all of a sudden it kinda like a light bulb going off in my head, I said, you know, wouldn't it be funny if it's the boyfriend? Oh, which like, no. Your choice of words, but like, I understand that you're like just spewing what was going on in your head. Right. And yeah, I get why they were suddenly like, huh, wait a second. Well, I mean, you're never even like thinking it's possible that your child is going to get murdered. No. So obviously, like, that happens and you're like, wow, anything can happen. It's about like you're not.

And if they're really honing in on him, right. And then he misses the visitation and it's because he's still being interrogated. Right. And then on top of it, the police that night went to her parents the night before her funeral and told them, she did it. He's the killer. Like told, like we're like, he is it told them, he did it. He's the killer.

Like, we're like, he is it. We know he's it. We know he's it. Also that like, maybe they could weigh into like a couple of days after the funeral. Yeah, just like, give them a second to like, more and more and more thing and not everything. Yeah.

And obviously they were horrified. Yeah. And they are being told a story that makes sense and I will get into that right now. But they also didn't want him at the funeral, obviously, because of this, which I totally think that he murdered them. I would be the exact same way. And they told her parents something that made sense, like a story that went along with it. They said they believe that he did this because he came into the apartment.

He had a key. He surprised her in the apartment, saw the condom wrapper on the table, and lost his shit when he assumed that it was because she was cheating with someone else. They said it was a total passion, like rage killing, and then that he staged the entire scene. Because he watched so much long order. Exactly. And then he set it up.

He set up the timeline. So he had calls. He had texts. He had alibis to make sure he was places during, he was in different places during the day that he could be like nobos heroes. Yeah. This person's zombie, that person's zombie.

Right. And then he made it so that his mother and friend were with him when he quote unquote, found the body. Oh, yeah. When you put it that way, it doesn't look good. That's a pretty plausible story that they told these people. I totally understand why they were like, yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah. Because it makes sense to me. It does, yeah. But the problem with that is like you need evidence to back that story. That's a crazy tale that you just told, do you have anything to back it up? Right.

No? Okay. Well, that's just a tale. Right. You could say that about anybody. You could make up a story about why anybody kills anybody. Right. And also, he's like a 19 year old kid.

Of course, he's bebop and all over the place. Yeah, it's just, it works both ways. You can see it. That story makes perfect sense. But then you can explain it. But then you need evidence to back it up. And I just don't see enough evidence to tell me that that's what happened here. He also doesn't have a history of violence.

He was never violent to her. Yeah. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, but people snap. There's also that. Yeah, there's a whole fucking TV show. It really is one of those things. Exactly. There's one of those things.

You got it. And I know I played doubles. I haven't get a lot, but you have to. You can't just like, I think that's good detective work personally. It's like you can't just look at one set of things and be like, yeah, that makes the most sense so I'm going to go with it. Right. And that's what they're doing.

They're going to pull apart all the threads. And so they said that at the funeral, Kevin sat, you know, away from the family because the family said, I don't want him sitting with us. Oh, no. Which is really sad, but totally understandable again. Yeah. And he sat and just sobbed the whole time and he said, nothing at that point mattered to me because I was hollow.

All I could think about were the times that she and I spent together and that I'd never get to spend another time with her like that again. Oh. And Carol, known as mother, said she couldn't even look at him. Like, it's hard., said she couldn't even look at him. Like it was horrified and going through the grief of this funeral. What a horrible time for everybody.

Seriously. In every way. In magical. In such different ways. Yeah. So, like we said, the police now think they know what happened. So this is what the narrative they are telling. But they haven't even arrested him yet.

No. And they held a press conference. And they said they had narrowed everybody down and they just had one person of interest who had not been ruled out yet, but they wouldn't name him. Okay. But they already told the family that they thought it was Kevin. It's already gotten out. Everyone around town knows it's Kevin. Right, that's who they're talking about. And they said they believed that his whole show of emotion at the scene was just him trying to actually like fuck with the scene. They said quote in the press conference quote or not the press conference later they said this quote he meticulously articulated everything to the ends degree so that he could

come back and say anything that you find is accountable because I went in and grabbed the body and now look at me cross-contamination. Okay. And chief officer Bacon was the one who said that, which, yeah, they're not wrong. Because again, we said it earlier, it's a really convenient way to go, uh-oh, right, it's all over me because I hugged her. Right. But then like, we sat on the same token. We see the other one. I would do the exact same thing. So, very interesting.

Yeah. It's interesting because it definitely, if I was watching this and hearing this, I would probably be believing this as well. Me too. So, the, so Kevin's guilty to them. This is it. And then it took it a step further for them because his fingerprint was found on the light bulb

of the lamp that was used to kill her. And it was a blood. Oh, okay. Because it was blood all over the light bulb. So, which the blood becomes a very big part of this case and I will get into it, I promise. Okay. But on the other side, he was dating Nona. He was in that apartment a lot.

Yeah. Is a fingerprint would be pop maybe on a light bulb or something like that if you change it? Yeah, but it's in the blood. If it's in the blood, that changes things. Right, because that's actually what I was gonna say. Well, wait, it's in the blood. There was blood involved in it, so that changed that a lot.

Now, Kevin said, he thought they were gonna get married. He was ready to stay with her forever. He had no problems, he was not angry, they were not fighting. To him, the long distance relationship wasn't a problem, when asked about the condom wrapper, because of course, while he's saying all this, they're like, well, what about that condom wrapper?

If you guys were so happy, what is that about? And he said, she must have been raped because that's not a condom that I use. And he was like, that's all I can think of. That's not mine. And he said, I'm innocent. I didn't do this. I didn't, and he said, I wouldn't use that condom.

That's not mine. She had to have been sexually assaulted. I didn't, and he said, I wouldn't use that condom. That's not mine. She had to have been sexually assaulted. That's the only thing he could see here. That's the only reason, like when they kept asking him, that's all he could come up with for a re-answer. And just because, like, because you were saying earlier that they didn't find evidence that she was raped.

Yeah, and we're going to get into that too, because the medical examiner kind of explains it, but there is no physical evidence at the scene to say that she was right. Like, semen or something like that. No semen, but if somebody used a condom, that takes care of that. And two, you often see signs of violence and assaults. You can see physical things that will point to a struggle and a violent sexual assault. Right. But not always. Well, and also she was beat over the head. She

could have been unconscious. Exactly. And if she was unconscious, then it was no struggle. Be so violent. It's a different situation. It's hard. It's like really hard. Yeah. So and as we'll see the medical examiner said he didn't find evidence that she was raped, but he would not say she wasn't. So he couldn't technically rule it out. So he said I'm not going to say she wasn't. Okay. So more than three months after I know, after her murder March 31st 2006, they arrested Kevin Jones. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. So he did go on trial for her murder. Wow. I was not expecting that because I feel like they didn't have enough.

They really didn't. So, well, they did not. And like I said, it was really the thing they were able to get him on. Is that bloody fingerprint. And what we find out is that there was a fingerprint and a palm, like partial palm print. Okay. On that light bulb. Now, and they really harped on that in court. And you said partial. Yeah, like partial palm print on that light bulb. Now, and they really harped on that in court. And you said partial. Yeah, partial palm print. Now, the defense

immediately requested a change of venue because the rumors, the chitter chatter, the angry mob, the West Memphis three of it all, they were like, he's never going to get a fair trial. We got to move. And's never gonna get a fair trial. We gotta move. And it was granted. So his trial. Sometimes I feel like that is 100% necessary. Because if they're guilty, they'll be guilty 30 miles away too.

Exactly. If you have the evidence to prove it, you can prove it over there too. And they moved him 30 miles away. Okay. Now, so there was a witness that they brought in, and it was a plumber. And now that plumber was able to say that Kevin Jones

Was at his whole parents home in Dover around 10.30 a.m. The morning of the murder He saw him there. He can confirm at what time did they think that no one was murdered They believe she was murder between 10.30 a.m. and possibly one a one p.m So so he has that little bit of a has that. So the prosecution was like, okay, well then this is what happened. He went to known as apartment to kill her. He used her, he surprised her by using her key. Yeah. And that's, or he didn't, excuse me, didn't go there to kill her. He went there to surprise her, surprised her with the key, saw the con. Saw the con. And went berserk after you saw him at 10 30 p.m.

It is a believable story. Which go to Ben. Now interestingly his cell phone was turned off for an hour and a half between the time of 10 30 and noon. Okay. And they think this is pretty right when it could have happened. That is really fucking weird, but did it die? Did it die and what it is this 2005? Yeah, that's like a fucking Motorola flip phone. It's not like you have like a universal charger everywhere. It's like the ones where you have to like take the battery off. Yeah, exactly.

It could go either way. Yeah, like and it's like, it's not like there was like car, I mean, there were car chargers, but like they weren't as frequent as they are now like well in in the midst of a murder trial. Yeah Yeah, that's not good. That's weird. That's not great because it looks like you might have turned that phone off So you wouldn't be triangulated where you were right and you watch a lot of law in order Why the fuck did you ever say that why'd you say that? Oh, man But again or it could be there you're eye. See that's like a problem with very circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, like it's all explainable, but it also all works. Yeah, it could look bad for him. But none of it is a smoking gun that you're like, oh, that's the one except the fingerprints. I feel like I'm weird. Yeah, the fingerprints will get into. I can't imagine like I know a lot of times people are like like really want to get called for like jury duty on like a trial like this. It would be a tough one. Like a crazy trial. I would not want to be on this trial because I literally wouldn't know what to do.

Because it must be hard because you're like, yeah, this stuff doesn't look great for you. But like does it say you're a murderer? Right. That's hard. But then like to have that on your personal conscience like this is my decision whether or not this guy goes to jail for the rest of his life because maybe he's a murderer but then maybe he's not. Yeah, dude, did I... That's my fucking decision. That's my fucking innocent guy in prison for the rest of his life or did I free a murderer? Yeah, like I don't... Did one of those things happen or did I get it right? I don't know

who's listening who like decides but like I'm it ain't me. It ain't me. I don't want to be on the jury. Please try anything like this. Well, and now they've looked at the phone records for the day, that whole day has been pulled apart by this point, obviously, because we're at the trial now. And they did reveal during the trial, they said, I know you said that you called her a bunch of times on that day, but the phone records indicate that you didn't start

calling her until 4.10 pm. Oh. And they said, and then you're saying by 6 pm, you were like, how do you mind going crazy? Now, they were like, that's a small amount of time for her not to answer her phone for you to lose your shit. But what about them texting? Because she had texted him that morning. Yeah. So they're talking about like phone calls. Phone calls.

Because he did say I called her. Yeah. To see or I tried to, or maybe he said I tried to contact her and they took those. Yeah, exactly. They could spin it. But to me, that doesn't definitely say he's a murderer, but it also is like, did you lie or did you exaggerate

or did that list what you said? And also, did you get, like, are you really possessive and toxic? So you got that angry, like, or not angry, but you got that upset and like, stressed out two hours. And then like two hours of not speaking to her? But then again, think of like how, like, chaotic you are at like, 19 in relation to that.

Oh, that's the other thing. Like, 19 year old Elena was chaotic in my relationship. For sure. Like, for sure. Which is why I'm not married to the person I was with at 19. I mean, I don't even have a steady boyfriend and like if I was like talking to someone and they didn't answer and be like,

oh my God, like they're cheating. We're always together. I was a chaotic mess in my relationship at 19 years old. So everybody is. I can't even, like you have to look at it that way too. It's hard to look at it from like a 35 year old who's like married and I'm like, why are you getting that upset?

Because you think everything is like a bigger deal when you're younger. You think that you're gonna, like he said, he thought he was gonna marry her. And then he's 19, so he's probably freaking the fuck out. Of course. And when she's not answering. Of course.

But then, at the same time, sure, you could look at it like, wow, that's really, that's really, that's really over the top. Right. Everything in this case got far like, I could explain away, but I could also see. Very rarely do I come across a case where I can devil's advocate so hard to the entire time.

No, it's true. But I just have to feel crazy. I feel crazy. Like, I can't just sit on one side of it because it just doesn't make sense. Because it's not black and white at all. No. Dr. Charles Cokes was the medical examiner who examined Nona.

And he said she was stabbed in the neck with defense stabs on her neck and shoulder. She had a massive wound on her head. He said her killer head quote, fractured her skull, pushing bone inward, nearly three eighth of an inch, damaging her brain and bruising her face. I feel like whenever we talk about stuff like that,

I feel it. Yeah. Like that was when you see the crime scene photo of that lamp, it was a heavy base of a lamp. In it. Oh my God. Yeah, he called it a devastating injury and said she would have very likely not woken up after that,

which hopefully is like a saving grace there. Yeah. He also testified that there were direct blows to her face possibly by fists. Oh. And there was evidence that she was strangled with such force that her hyoid bone was broken and blood vessels were broken in her eyes.

But that wasn't how she was killed. It was the- Is that a patechial hemorrhage? Yeah, a little patechial hemorrhage because it's like the force of the strangling. And he said, again, that there was no physical evidence of rape, but he did not rule it out. And he believed that she was killed between 10.30 a.m. and 1.00 p.m. 10.001.

Her body showed a limited amount of rigor mortis, and he said, levity visible on both sides of her body, front and back, which would indicate that she was moved from a prone position to one where she was on her backside, at least six hours after she died. Oh. So this like really throws things for kind of a loop? Yeah, because when she was found,

she was found face down. Face down. But then for some point after she had died, she was definitely lying about her back. Because so there was levity in her belly and on her back. Would you make me wonder if she was raped? Well, I was just going to flip over where a sexual assault occurred because she was unconscious. Right.

And then flipped back over. Yeah. That's actually one of the first things that came to my brain when you said that. I mean, I don't know. This is me totally speculating. But it's a very strange pattern. Like the levity, levity to me is like unbelievably fascinating

because it tells such a story. And it can also confuse the fuck out of you. Like the smiley face killers. Yeah. All the different levities in there. Oh, it's rose you for a loop. And then people can like make bodies colder and the levity changes color,

which can throw the time of death off and throw how long they've been in that position off. The other interesting thing to me is that they didn't look for anything upstairs because what if, like, she had been upstairs for a period of time and then brought back downstairs. Yeah, you just don't know, because nobody looked upstairs.

Yeah, they seem like they were very tunnel visioned onto this small area where her body was found. Yeah, it's weird. And what's horrific too is that the medical examiner testified that the blows to the back of the head were likely inflicted while she was lying face down. So she was lying helpless, getting brutalized in the back of the head.

Yeah. Apparently, she also received a text to her phone at 11.04 a.m. when she did not answer, which tells you she should have been dead. She may have already been dead. And she never responded to it. It was never released. I don't know who that text was from.

I don't know what it said. I wonder if it was from Kevin and like they didn't release it for a reason. I wonder. I don't know. But during the same testimony, Kevin's grandmother also testified that day that he was with her during the murder. So she said he couldn't have done it. I was with him. I can testify to that. Do they have anything to show that they're together? I don't think they have anything. It's just her word. Because like, I love you, grandma. But yeah, have anything? I don't think they have anything. It's just her word.

I love you, grandma. But, yeah, but I don't know that to be true. Your grandma is going to lie for you. Yeah, that's just like, of course, that's what grandma's do. Like, are you even a grandma if you wouldn't lie for your child? Like, are you grandma? Are you grandma? Grandma, are you?

Are you there? Grandma, it's me. But, you know, it's grandma saying that, she was with, I'm just saying. Yeah. But the prosecution then brought forth the blood evidence. Okay, yeah, so let's get into this shit. Yeah, this is where it gets a little like,

at the end of this evidence, you think it's gonna be like, oh, this is gonna tell me things. Now, at the end of it, you're like, all right, so you got nothing. Well, you got nothing either way. Okay, so what? So it was really the texture of the blood that they were really focused on where the palm print was. The texture of the blood? Yes. Okay. Everyone's going crazy talking about the texture of this blood.

So most of the blood was wet at the crime scene when she was found. The exception was on the light bulb, which obviously was part of the murder weapon. Parts of that were actually pretty dry and tacky. The exception was on the light bulb, which obviously was part of the murder weapon. Parts of that were actually pretty dry and tacky. Okay. Now the description of tacky was really harped on by the investigators because they said they didn't actually touch the blood because obviously they're not going to stick their fingers into a pom-print and just touch blood.

But they said it was, so they couldn't feel that it was tacky, but they said it was a least tacky. Like it didn't look totally dry. It didn't look totally wet. I don't really feel like you can say something's tacky if you haven't touched it. Yeah, so basically they were saying it didn't look completely dried over and it didn't look completely wet. It looked somewhere in between. Okay. Now, sorry, but that could mean different things to different people.

Of course. Now, if the blood was dry, then that would prove that it had time to harden with the print in it. Right. So that would mean Kevin definitely left it while murdering Nona before the police were called. If it had time to dry with that pom-print print in it, then he had made that when it was very wet, and then it had hours to dry.

Right. But it wasn't. But then again, if the blood was still wet when the police arrived, it meant that he could have been telling the truth. And maybe he just happened to touch it while he was grabbing her body. It was put there while it was still wet. And they call them 911, all that. But the evidence reported that the blood on the bulb was tacky, which means it had started to dry.

So we're still in a spot where it's like, that doesn't really tell us anything, because it has a totally dried, and it hasn't stayed totally wet. So we're literally in limbo with this because he could have done it while he was literally go either way, or he could have picked it up and moved it. Literally could go either way because we are in the middle. Right. We are not totally dry. We are not totally wet. Right. Now the prosecutors followed this up by saying actually a week after it was found, that blood on that light bulb was still tacky. It hadn't completely dried. So they said,

so we don't know if when it was found, it was at its full, like the full state, like it wasn't going to go any drier than that. And the prosecution said that. The prosecution was like, yeah, because the prosecution was saying, how do you know, because the prosecution is trying to prove that he did it. Yeah, yeah. No, and they're saying, if it was at its, if it was never going to get past that tacky that it was already at, then who would we just say that that's not as dry as it got? Oh, okay. Meaning he put that there when he killed her.

And it wasn't gonna dry anymore. Okay. Like, who's to say? Yeah. Because it's still tacky a week later. That's really weird that the blood was still tacky. Yeah. So literally, there's just no answer there. Like it's just no, it's everybody just speculating.

Well, that's the thing. Your definition of tacky, whether it was tacky, how tacky, it's tacky. Like my nail tech probably thinks that my nails are still tacky, but like I'm trying to leave. Exactly. It's the same kind of thing. And the exact same thing. And Kevin's lawyers, the defense team, Michael Robbins, Kenny Johnson, and Bill Bristow said, quote, if any portion of it had the consistency of being tacky, then that's indicative of it being put there at the time the body was discovered. So they're saying, right. Cool. Yeah, it might still be tacky, but as long as it's fucking tacky, it's not totally dry.

Well, and that's why I was saying saying like, why did the prosecution say that? Because I feel like it doesn't even necessarily help them. It does though, because if they're saying it's not getting any drier than that. That's its full state of being dry. This light bulb will not allow this blood to get drier than that. So if it is at its full state, then that could go either way. And that means reasonable doubt. Okay. So if it is that it's full state, then that could go either way. And that means reasonable doubt. Okay. So they're saying this whole thing is so confusing. They're saying let's that that doesn't prove

that he did it, but it doesn't prove that he didn't do it. Okay. That's what they're saying. That's all they can hang on right now. So they're like, as long as we can say that it doesn't prove he didn't do it, because we don't know if that was going to get drier. It doesn't look like it was. It works for either way. Well, that's exactly what it is. But they got't do it, because we don't know if that was gonna get drier. It doesn't look like it was. It works for either way. Well, that's exactly what it is. But they gotta use it, right? Because they can't. They don't have anything else.

Now, the other piece of evidence is obviously that condom wrapper. Very interesting piece of evidence. And like you said, I know I clarified before, but it's literally just a wrapper. They did not. Just trying to condom at all. Yep, just a wrapper hanging out.

And originally, just a wrapper trash.'m just a rapper. Yep, just a rapper hanging out. And originally, just a rapper trash. And originally, the prosecution said, we looked, there's no fingerprints on it, no DNA on the rapper that we can use, like, just a rapper. There's no fingerprints on the rapper. Well, the defense team ran tests on it and found DNA on the rapper. I would think so.

And that DNA was not a match to Kevin, but an unknown male. Oh, bitch. Which strange and unusually unusual could just be a guy that she was sleeping with that wasn't Kevin. Which then to be there. For the prosecuting Jesus Christ, the prosecutors theory that he sat down. Exactly. And that's exactly what the prosecutors said. They said, okay, double down. Actually, that supports our theory that Kevin was pissed because she was cheating on him.

So neither of them had any, they could just go like brown and brown. So literally, this defense team was like, oh, we found DNA and it doesn't match Kevin. It's an unknown male, like boom, boom, boom, boom. And then the prosecution's like, oh cool, thanks, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom goes without saying. They're like, do you really want, they miss the DNA? Like do you really want to... You miss DNA and you also didn't sweep for certain DNA.

So how am I to believe that you even swept that condom wrapper? Exactly. So they're like, really like, do we listen to you now? Like, do you guys watch Lawn Order? No. No. No.

This all went back and forth. And then July 2007, finally, jury deliberations were here. Okay. And they were not easy. No, that's the... Like I was saying, I would not want to be tasked with that job. And the jury was shown photos of a crime scene.

They were shown photos of Nona. They were shown many photos of the wounds she received. And so initially in that room, they were split. Because I'm sure there was emotions involved There was a lot of stress. I don't know how they would have made a decision like honestly if I was in there I'd be fucked. I just like I don't know I don't know I'm deadlocked. I don't even know I myself am deadlocked. Yeah, not a sense of group I myself am deadlocked in my mind. Yeah, but the next day they come back together

I think everybody was probably able to like sleep on it, take a minute, look through everything a little closer, they returned a verdict. Not guilty. Okay. And Kevin said, I felt like 10,000 pounds had been lifted off my shoulders. Yeah, I would think so. But her known as stepfather, Dwayne said, quote, I was sitting there with my mouth hanging open, not guilty. And so I stood up and said, you got away with it, Kevin, you got away with it. Which I don't blame him. Yeah, that's a horrible thing.

If you think he did it, that's a horrible thing to hear. Yeah, of course. And her mother, Carol, said, I was in a state of shock for a few seconds. I couldn't do anything. And it's just like everything was in slow motion. Because in their mind, this kid just got away with murdering their daughter. Like this boy that you thought was this great boyfriend, you think he murdered her. And they've shown you that it's a possibility.

So I understand that. And even though he was released and obviously acquitted, many people still believed he was the guy. So it was like exiled. So that must have been horrific. I can't imagine that. I mean, I can't look at the West Memphis III. I always go back to them, but they are just such a... Well, it's Arkansas.

They're such a... It's Arkansas, and it's such a pure case of being railroaded and having to deal with the after effects of it. No, his defense team actually promised his father, his parents. Okay. Kevin's parents. Yep. That they were going to find the guy responsible.

They were like, we're not ending here. Just because he got off, doesn't mean that we're just gonna go like, all right, see you later. They were like, nope, we're going to figure this out. We're gonna find out who did it. Good for them, because that's not only helping like Kevin and his family, but helping

no this family. Yeah, they were like, we don't want to have you thinking it's Kevin, because we don't believe it is. Right. And if we want to some guy walking around that murdered your daughter, we're going to find out who it is. Yeah. So tell me they did.

And as we say, I mean, the state of Arkansas, the West Memphis three case, like they are pretty famous for not giving a shit and just wanting to get the case finished, whether it's right or wrong. So at least these defense attorneys are sitting there going, no, no, no, we're not just letting it end where he walks out of here and is treated like a pariah forever. And we don't actually look for the monster who killed her.

And just let him walk around. Right. So what they did with the fucking West Memphis 3K, I'm sorry, I'm really angry about that. No, I don't blame you. Because it's going on with the evidence right now. So I'm like, real fired up. Yeah, like it burned in a fire.

That didn't really happen. Really fired up. And, like it burned in a fire. That didn't really happen. Really fired up. And, but they, because they do this. So whatever. So his parents actually had to sell their house to pay the legal fees off. That happens in my case. It happens so often.

Yeah, and it's sad. They never, so they said, you know, the defense team was like, we're gonna start by matching that unknown, unknown mail on the Condom wrapper, the defense team was like, we're gonna start by matching that unknown, unknown male on the Condom wrapper, the DNA. We need to match that with something. Yeah, that's a girl. That's, if we can find who that is, we can at least rule them out. Yeah. Or we got our guy. Right. So they tried to match it to any of the men that she had been seeing or was friends with, anybody around her, none matched that DNA.

Oh shit. So they're like, what the fuck? So again, that kind of made their antenna go up though because they're like, so this is a stranger. Yeah. This isn't someone she knows. Right. We can't find any of that.

Right. So to me says this is somebody involved. Yeah. Because it's a fucking stranger that came into her house. Uh huh. Now September 2007, two months later, a man named Gary Dunn was arrested for a totally unrelated crime, burglary. Okay. Police remembered this guy's name though. Why? Because he had lived in the same

apartment complex as Nona, and he was questioned by the police at the time of the initial investigation, but apparently they released him without incident. What? Now that he lived in the complex. Yes, in the same complex. And was questioned. Oh, it gets worse. So now that he was arrested for burglary, it was something else.

So he's violent also. He is also, he's very violent. They compared his shit to the DNA and fingerprints found on the condom wrapper and known as apartment. Thanks to Nora's family, and Nora's family paying for the testing. Oh wow, that's amazing. Bad asses.

The DNA was consistent and the fingerprints were as well, but they were just not good enough to be a legal match. But they were consistent. And consistent to the point where it was like, the odds of it not being him were like one and like a million, zillion. Like it was like a very high number.

Dude. So it couldn't be considered a legal match because it wasn't like a great sample, I don't think. Could they resample it? I don't think they could. I think it was like the rapper is a tough one to get it. So things are really tough to get samples from, that makes sense.

But he's like, okay, but no, if I have an alibi, but he has an alibi. I have an alibi. What is it? I was shopping with my mom and his mother back the alibi up and they were like, okay, well, but like I said, grandma, mom will say, here's the items I bought and here's the receipt.

Oh, showing that. They had receipts for every single item that they said they bought that day. Only problem was. I was going to say so what? Those items were on a receipt that was dated December 13th, not the 15th. So two days before she was killed. So he did he show that and that's why he was let go without incident in the in the first place? He sure did Grrr. So they saw that they saw and let him go and they didn't even see that it was the same It wasn't the same fucking day

They were like oh you were shopping the day after that means you must not have murdered there. Yeah, you were shopping two days before two days before Excuse me. Mm-hmm So So they just missed that so that alibi he had that let him go the first time. I just felt like an alibi. Just felt a part of what the fuck were you doing that day? murdering her probably. Well, with that DNA match and the fingerprints, they can move forward now. So they arrested him and charged him with known as murder. Oh shit, Kevin Must've been like told you so. Yeah, he's like, hello. Interestingly, they later discovered

that the police had the information that Gary's alibi didn't quite check out. So they didn't miss it. Because there's investigative notes that they uncovered that have that in there. It's in there. So they ignored it? They ignored it?

Or they weren't. Or they just too dumb to put it together were just too dumb to put it together. Or too dumb to put it together. It wasn't the same. Or too dumb to put it together. It wasn't the same. Same day. And it seems like it could have been

where too tunnel visioned on one suspect were just not even paying attention. Dude, that's a big fucking miss right there. So he lied about his alibi and was still ignored and they initially, they just went towards Kevin. This is why people are narcissistic because the police let them get away. They let them think that they're getting away with it.

Fuck. So his trial was April 2010. Now, they said they were able to find out he was sexually violent, he was obsessed with Nona, and that was backed up by his ex-wife. He, what Gary was obsessed with Nona, and his ex-wife was able to back that up in trial. Now, she testified for the prosecution and said she lived with him in the apartment complex.

The same one as Nona. Yes. And she lived there when Nona was murdered. And she said, at that time, he was violent to her, the wife, both physically and sexually. Oh my God. She said, in the weeks leading up to her murder, she had caught Gary peeping in known as windows in the middle of the fucking night. He was hanging outside her bedroom window

trying to look into it. He's looking into known as windows and he has the middle of the night. History of violence and like, his fingerprints are at the scene and his alibi didn't check out. That's not coincidental to me at all. That's not circumstantial. That's right place, right time.

Like, you know what? We were talking about with the Kevin thing. We were like, yeah, it's just like nothing's really like concrete, ding-ding-ding. All of this is concrete. Ding-ding-ding. This is what it's like to actually have evidence, guys. Welcome.

Welcome to an investigation with evidence, everybody. He was peeping in her fucking window. He was peeping in her windows the weeks leading up to her murder. So he was probably figuring out her fucking routine, her layout of her house. And obviously it's an ex-wife. She was like, I divorced him

because he was horrible, horrible monster. And the defense were like, okay, yeah. But let's bring Kevin back to testify about where, because he found Nona. Yeah. He was part of this. Yeah. So, okay, bring him back. Remember, he's been acquitted. Let's bring him back. Yeah. And he explained, I climbed on top of her and picked her arms up to me. And I just sat there and prayed and hoped the worst was happening. That's what he said about finding her. They asked him, wasn't it obvious she was dead though?

And he said, I've never seen a dead body before. Yeah. I think he was like, I know, it wasn't. Also, what does that have to do with Gary? You don't walk into a scene like that and just assume the person's dead and don't do anything else, especially if it's somebody you care about. Right. But they were like, okay, so if it's somebody you care about. Right.

But they were like, okay, so they were trying to get under skin. Yeah. And they kept going. They started asking him about the cheating, which they knew was going to get him like upset. It's going to get under anybody's skin. And he maintained. He said, he didn't know about any other men in her life until after her death.

So he said, it's irrelevant. Yeah. Which it is. She died. And he said, he said, I didn't know about it while we were dating. So no, because they were trying to say, like, weren't you angry? Didn't you? Didn't make you angry? And he was like, sure, I would have been angry. I didn't know about it. Right. So he's like, I don't know why you're asking me about it now, because I'm not angry now. She's dead. Right. Like, I don't know what to tell you, but they were

trying to really like pick out of my shitty and And they're smearing known as a name. Yeah. And they kept asking him about the finger and hand print on the light bulb. And he said, at some point, I must have touched it. That's my explanation. Yeah, which makes sense. Which is like, I don't know. It was a crazy chaotic scene.

I probably touched it. Do you want to talk about the fingerprint on the condom wrapper? Yeah. That is your fucking clients over there? I'd be like, are we really going to backflip into the tacky discussion again? I'd be like, are we really gonna like back flip into the tacky discussion again? I'd be like, do you really wanna get into it? I'd be like, I was a quitted brother.

This is double jeopardy right here. But then they started saying to him, well that description of what you did on December 15th all day was just you trying to make a paper and digital trail of your whereabouts because you're guilty. I'd be like, okay, is your client have a trail? And they used to, he went to an ATM, he had a restaurant, where there was a camera, and they said that,

sure, that makes it look like you were doing other things that day, but to us, it proves the opposite of you being innocent, it proves that you're just very calculated. What? And they're basically just destroyed his own innocent verdict, like they just dragged him through the mud again, and they laid it back on him, and it kind of worked.

Why? The jury was deadlocked, and the mis-in-a-miss trial was declared. So this motherfucker who, his fingerprint is on the scene, he's peeping in her windows, he has a history of violence, while this other kid has just dated her for five years and loved her,

and the police really just like fucked him sideways. But they were able to put doubt in the minds of the jury by saying, wait, maybe we got the wrong guy. And maybe the wrong guy is walking around out there. So it's a mistrial. So they're not saying one word or the other. So he was not so technically they can try him again. But it's wild to me that they literally put Kevin on trial.

Like double jeopardy style and got away with it. Like they were able to literally retry him and get a guilty basically. Yeah, like they were able to be like, yep, see? Cause like maybe this guy did it. Even though he was acquitted. Luckily Gary was tried for a second time pretty quickly. Okay.

This time the prosecution had a star witness. The prosecution had a star witness, okay. She was a woman named Kelly Joe Harris. She testified that in 2002, Gary Dunn had attacked her on a hiking trail. Oh my God. She said she was jogging and ran by him. Suddenly he came up behind her and slammed her

in the back of the head with a large stick. Jew, does that sound familiar everybody? Certainly does. He was violent and aggressive. He pinned her down on the ground telling her he was gonna kill her. She was luckily able to escape. Wow, good for her.

Like badass. She went to police immediately and they found him hiding in a fucking stream. In a stream? What are you a salmon? Oh, he could. What? Get out of here.

But he went to prison for 18 months and upon 18 months for attempted murder. Oh yeah. And immediately upon his release, guess where he moved to? Those fucking apartments. The apartment complex were known to lift. Wow.

They should have to notify, like you would think, especially like a young woman living alone, like a 19 year old, she should know who her neighbor is and that he just got out of prison for trying to, trying to literally murder and rape somebody. Yeah. So they brought that star witness out, which clearly shows that he has a history of violence,

which they could have proved with Kevin. Right. Another hung jury. How though, I don't know. How? Well, so the problem is could they bring that fingerprint into the trial since it wasn't a legal match? Or like, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I think it was, I don't even think it was able to be put in there. So I think they really were only having to go. But they had that, they had his ex-wife. Yeah, I mean, he was pretty clear that like, there's a connection to Noa. He knew who she was. He was aware of her.

Right. And the good thing is he's in prison because he's a beast. Okay, good. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison after he tried to force a woman into his car outside of a back-to-church in Russellville. What? And that same day that he tried to kidnap that woman,

he indecently exposed himself to another woman in a shopping center parking lot. So this man's is like, has all the signs of being like a fucked up individual. He's a monster. Who could murder people? Yes, he is a monster. A monster. A monster.

He was put in jail for attempted kidnapping and indecent exposure, and he is currently serving in Arkansas Department of Corrections, which Arkansas maybe do it right this time and keep them there. Seriously, dude. This guy's dangerous as hell and he 100% no doubt in my mind killed Nona. And the thing is they can try him for it again. Right. Because it wasn't acquitted. Yeah.

Yeah, it's been two mistrials. I wish that they could like scrape that again. I know. You know what I mean? I just want them to and maybe they can put into the universe. I think they're going to. We're going to put into the universe. Something's going to happen.

Now, in December 2011, Kevin Jones actually filed a $10 million civil suit against Detective Mark Frost, former police chief James Bacon, Gary Dunn, and the city of Russellville. Oh wow. Because he said they basically conspired to pin the murder on him. Yeah, that is like, is that not slander? Yeah, and they said also in the suit, it said that Gary Dunn's polygraph also showed deception. Oh, but then they said it, and they also said that the police

didn't fully investigate the crime scene. Because they didn't. Because they just had that tunnel vision. They didn't go upstairs. Unfortunately, it was dismissed because they were like, bro, you filed this four years too late. Yeah. They just had that tunnel vision. They just had that tunnel vision. They just had that tunnel vision. They just had that tunnel vision. They just had that tunnel vision. They just had that tunnel vision.

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They just had that tunnel vision. They just had Yeah, but they did not and they are not because they said they've come to a good place with him And they no longer believe that he was responsible for known as death. Well, that's good Which is good. That's a positive thing to come out of this. Do they think that Gary did this? I don't know what their thoughts on that are okay, but they they at least don't think that Kevin did it and Kevin is Actually a criminal defense attorney himself now. Oh my God. And is married in practices in Russellville. Wow. Isn't that wild?

Good for him. I'm surprised that he like can't find this in Russellville after all that. Yeah, I think as people, maybe people came around and realized that there was nothing to say that he did it. And Arkansas Tech University where Nona was going to school established a music scholarship in her memory. I love that. Yeah, but something good came out of this too.

I mean, I feel like Gary Dunn needs to be tried again. He absolutely does. He needs to be tried again. He needs to be tried again. And let's hope that they are able to do that. For her family, for... I was gonna say Nona deserves that. Kevin Jones' family.

Nona's parents deserve that. Yeah, the people he, that Gary Dunn has already victimized. I was gonna say no-no-no deserves that. Kevin Jones' family. Notice parents deserve that. Yeah, the people he that Gary Dunn has already victimized. I was gonna say Kevin Dunn deserves that. Yeah, exactly. So that is the quote unquote unsolved case of no-no-no-dark smire. Honey, that was not unsolved. I don't think it was unsolved either. Wow, that was...

In thrallin'. It was wild ride. Seriously. And what a darker world it is for no-no-not being in it, because she seems like she was a pretty rad chick. Awesome. So I hope they got justice. I do too.

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