Morbid - Episode 278: William Bonin "The Freeway Killer" Part 1

Episode Date: November 14, 2021

William Bonin, who was also known as the Freeway Killer, raped and killed potentially over 36 young boys throughout his reign of terror. William had a deplorable childhood: his mother was neglectful and abusive, his father was a raging alcoholic who gambled all the families money away and his grandfather was a pedophile who sexually assaulted both William and his brothers. William’s backstory is heartbreaking, but unfortunately he did nothing to turn it around and continued the cycle of abuse, but escelated it to the nth degree. William Bonin: The True Story of the Freeway Killer by Jack Rosewood People Vs. Bonin As always, thank you to our sponsors: Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/MORBID. Shudder: To try Shudder free for 30 days, go to shudder.com and use promo code morbid. Best Fiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the App Store or Google Play. That’s friends, without the r—Best Fiends! Daily Harvest:Go to DAILYHARVEST.com/morbid to get up to forty dollars off your first box! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Bogate. Yeah. I don't know what it is. It's going to be a two-parter. Love that. There are a lot of victims in this case, and I wanted to make sure I mentioned as many as I could humanly possibly find in confirm, because I didn't want to glaze anybody over.

Today we are going to be talking about the insane case of William George Bonan. Ooh, I have not talked of this person. Yeah, I had heard of his name, and he's called, he was referred to as the freeway killer, and yeah, we're just gonna get right into it because there's a lot to talk about. So I don't want to waste any time. Oh, good. He's called the freeway killer, which I think there's been a few freeway killer. I was going to say that because I was like the freeway killer. Yeah, sometimes

they reuse those stupid names that they give people. But yeah, he's one of them. So you've definitely, I'm sure heard of at least one of them. But William Bonn and Sounded familiar to me. So when I dove into this, I was like, wow, I didn't know all of this. Okay. He's another one of those that you're like, what?

Why were you lurking? How? What? Yeah, it's a crazy one. He abducted, raped, tortured, and killed at least 21 young men and boys. Oh my God. Yes. In California. And he did this in the late 70s, early 80s. Of course he did.

Yeah. So yeah, they were young men like all in their teens. He never got out of the teens like no, but really not higher. I think maybe one of them is possibly like 23. Okay. That's it, but they're young. Like, yeah. And he's known too for never showing any remorse. He had never fucking out.

Shown remorse, he never apologized when he talked about it later. He was like, yeah, like I liked doing it. I don't know what to tell you. Like he's not sorry at all People who knew him and we'll get into it later People who knew him said that he literally liked to hear people in pain like that's what he enjoyed he

Yeah, and what's even weirder with him Is he had a few different accomplices that he worked with. Oh. So he didn't, this wasn't a Hellside Strangler, this wasn't Henry Lee Lucas, an oddest tool. This is, he had like four accomplices that he like rotated through. Damn. So he met four people who wanted to do this.

Right. That is a scary, scary thing. That's insane. And I can't wrap my brain around it. But it happens. Probably good that you cannot wrap your brain around that. So let's take you back, shall we? No thanks.

He was actually born in Connecticut. Oh, right over there. So like right over there. Hey, Connecticut. Hey, Connecticut. Yeah, you're very soothing to drive through. Because nothing's going on. Maybe not anymore.

Yeah, never very not. But he was born on January 8th, 1947. He was the middle child of three brothers. The middle child. He was. But I think his entire family was just a middle child because it was very bad. Very dysfunctional, not a good childhood at all.

I'd like to preface this by saying there is a lot of talk of rape because it was very bad. Very dysfunctional, not a good childhood at all. I'd like to preface this by saying there is a lot of talk of rape a lot. And there's going to be talk of child molestation. I'm not gonna get into it. I'm not gonna go like details or anything, but it's gonna be mentioned. So just so you know, if that's a bummer

and you don't wanna listen to that, we understand. Yeah, that is a bummer. And you know what, here's a bummer and you don't want to listen to that, we understand. Yeah, that is a bummer. Then you know what, here's your moment. We love you. Have a good time. Whatever you're doing today. See you next time. Bye. Okay, for everybody who's still here. His parents, Robert and Alice Bonin, we're not great. Okay. Not great. Not even adequate. Not even really. They're not even fine. They're just bad. They were both definitely like really angry alcoholics. They were aggressive. They were violent. Robert in particular was very mean tempered. He had a vicious addiction to gambling as well. Oh. And when I say

vicious, I mean like like, he used every cent that that family had and did not care about taking money out of his kid's mouths, basically. That's horrible. He spent all their grocery money, he would spend their mortgage money, like he did not care. And as a result, the home did eventually go in foreclosure. I was wondering if you were saying that.

But before that happened, he had taken so much money from that family that those kids were not clothed properly. They were hungry all the time. And eventually neighbors would see these boys just hungry and sad and like dirty, and they would help them. Like luckily they had neighbors that would help them, but like their neighbors had to take that on.

Seriously. Because these two fucking assholes couldn't take care of their own, just not couldn't wouldn't take care of their own kids. You don't have to have kids. Yeah, had the means. It's not a requirement. Oh yeah, and they had the means to take care of them, but they spent it another way.

So these neighbors took on, which lucky for them that they had those neighbors, but like, sad for these neighbors who had to take on that responsibility. Yeah, absolutely. If that wasn't bad enough They especially Robert also beat his kids and his wife. So oh They were really off to a great start here. That's horrible. Yeah, and from what I read Alice often wanted the children out of the house because Robert was such a monster So she was like I just need to get them out of here. Yeah.

But also they both just didn't really want to deal with them at times. Like, I don't think they were like, I don't know what they thought when they had three kids. Like, how's that gonna happen there? But you have to take care of them. It does get chaotic. It does. So instead they would just send them to live with their grandfather every once in a while. Like, just send them out out for months at a time.

Was he alright? Um, that's a no. Like no. No, he wasn't. Yeah. So, you would think that like, okay, we're sending them off to the grandfather. So this must be someone that wants to take care of them. No.

Right? You would think that. No, he had actually molested Alice when she was young. He was a convicted pedophile. And she's shipping her fucking kids on to him. She would send her three young children to go live with him where he definitely sexually assaulted all three of them.

So she just like endangered her children? Yeah, and just didn't care because she didn't want their responsibility. What the fuck? So all those kids were also assaulted at their grandfather's house. So like this family on both sides, it's like the father is an absolute monster

and then look at the mother's side. It's like there was nothing here. Well, she's a monster. She knows full well that he's a fucking hunter for some three children to a pedophile's house. There's no love here, there's no comfort, there's no safety, there's no childhood, there's no innocence, there's nothing here.

No. And actually, at the age of six, she just put them all into an orphanage. Yeah. What? She said like their father was a piece of shit, so like, she didn't know what to do. How do you, like, how do you just give three children to an orphanage when they're six years old?

Me, I just hand them over. And she just gave them to an orphanage. Now, this place was terrible and horrific, and abuse was rampant as was the case with a lot of these places, especially at that time. And in fact, one thing that was confirmed as a punishment at this place was they would either fill sinks with water and hold your head under until you blacked out.

Oh my god. Or they would just stick your head in the toilet bowl for the same effect. Ew. Kids. Orphans. That's what they did to them. For things like, you know, not like dropping something or... Oh my god.

...staying up when the lights were supposed to be out. This is so sad. Yeah. So, not a great start start, like to say the least. His parents did get him back into their custody when he was nine years old. Why? Which was probably honestly a lateral move at this point from the orphanage.

I don't, it's really just like, like just going to write much of the same. And it's like you dropped that imagine. You have to have an orphanage and then three years later, you're like, just pick him back up. Never mind. It's like you dropped that imagine. You'd have to have an orphanage and then three years later, you're like, pick a back up. Never mind. It's like a three year daycare student babysitter. That's just like what?

Like terrible babysitter? What? All I have to say so far is what the fuck? Yeah, that's whole thing is gonna be what the fuck. This is a situation where like, you made a monster. That's creating a monster. Yeah. I mean, there was obviously other things going on here where like you made a monster. That's creating a monster. You made a monster, you know.

I mean, there was obviously other things going on here, as we'll see, like he definitely has some like brain defects, that like frontal lobe defects, that played into this as well, but this was probably due to a nice little combo of both. By age 10, he was in a juvenile detention center because he would commit thefts, he would do like little petty offenses, but he would like steal license plates from cars at 10. During, while he was there,

he was sexually assaulted by some of the older boys and he later said one of his counselors did it to him. I mean, that's coming from him, but to be honest, like everybody around him was doing that to him. So there's really not a lot to not believe there. But after he left that, he decided that, okay, well, the world has done this to me. So I'm going to do it to the world. It's like a Karl Panzeram situation. He truly is. Like a mini-carl. Yeah. Hey there, fellow podcast listener, it's Elena. And Ash! And we're taking you back to the days before streaming services.

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like and his own brothers. Ugh! So it was eighth grade that the home was foreclosed on when he was in eighth grade, and the family actually ended up moving across the country to California. Oh wow. So he just continued the same shit there, just with new people. But the father Robert actually died of cirrhosis of the liver at that home, not long after. So he was gone by.

And so William got in a lot of trouble starting from the age of like 10 years old. That's really when he started just acting out, actually committing crimes and getting in trouble for it. And in California, he continued the whole theft thing and he was also molesting boys younger than him in his neighborhood. He would literally lure them into his house like a predator. Like he would promise them like things

and just bring them in. Like he was turning in, he was a predator. Yeah. Because that's what he learned. I mean, his father was an asshole. His grandfather was literally a predator. Mm-hmm. And it's like, and then he went to a detention center where he learned how I mean, his father was an asshole. His grandfather was literally a predator. And it's like, and then he went to a detention center where he learned how to be a predator.

Like that's all he's ever been taught. That's all he's known, yeah. And now he's gonna use it. Right. Because he himself is a monster. Oh my God, this is horrible. So in 1965, he graduated high school and immediately joined the Air Force.

Okay. Now before he left, he actually, he apparently had a high school girlfriend named Susan, which I was shocked by. No, thank you. And he asked her to marry him. And she said, yes. Don't do it.

Don't do it. He later said he basically just proposed to her to please his mother, which is weird, because I'm like, you wanted to please your mother. But I think she wanted him to do something that she felt was like, quote unquote, normal. Yeah. And that was marrying a girl right out of high school like a good old boy I guess like okay. I don't really know. So off he went to serve in the Vietnam war where he learned Which horrible thing was probably like not gonna be great for him

But let's see is this just a pile on yeah So he went in there and he became an aerial gunner and he actually was doing great. He received medals for conduct and actually saved a fellow soldier's life at one point and received an honor for that. Like risked his own life to save a fellow soldier. What a dichotomy.

Yes, and you would think that maybe that would give him some like new sense of purpose or a feeling that life is precious, but it did not. And again, Vietnam was, oh, like, there's not even words because even it's like, you would hope that maybe saving a fellow soldier would give you something to latch on to, but then the other stuff that he saw, I'm sure it was just like a constant loss of durable. It just really just doable. Now during his enlistment, he actually ended up assaulting two fellow soldiers. He literally tied them down and raped them. Oh, God.

Yeah, at gunpoint. Oh, God. So he already started this really bad reign of terror. And after he was there for I think a five-month tour, so in 1968 he was honorably discharged. And he was later quoted as saying that his time in Vietnam made him feel like, quote, human life was overvalued. Okay. So not great.

Like, who were you to decide that? Not great. This is not going to be great. He moved back in with his mom again in Downey, which is pretty close to Los Angeles. And once he was there, he married Susan, like right away. He was not a peach to be married to. I was going to say, I know this is probably a shock. In fact, Susan later said that, quote, he told me he had the dream, the stream a lot of times. He would be in a bar alone and he would walk up to a girl who had no face. He would buy her a drink and take her to a deserted place.

There he'd rape her, kill her, and bury her in a shallow grave. So she divorced his ass pretty fast, like, blink and you'll miss it fast. Like they were married for like a blip. Yeah. So she was like, bye. Somebody tells you they have that dreamy day. No, thank you.

You dip right out of that, bitch. So now he's pissed. He's rejected. He's gone. He's failed. And he's pissed. He's rejected. He's gone. He's failed. And he's ready. He's like, you know what, I'm just gonna go back to my old ways.

I'm gonna hunt young boys again. So he moved back in with this mother, like I said, who obviously that's not a good relationship. So we're not killing it. No. And he starts his spree. Now he starts abducting and sexually assaulting boys like back to back to back. He did it to four young boys like boom boom boom

These victims were I'm just gonna say their first names even though they're published like why? Larry William John and Jesus who are 12 14 17 and 18 years old He raped them all after abducting them and then after after that, he tortured all of them in various ways. Like how? We're going to get into some of those ways. Now, in 1969, he was 22 years old, and he was arrested. So this was shortly after those four boys he assaulted.

He was arrested in 1969 when he was found with a 16-year-old boy in his car. That's not true. Now, he had lured this kid in and then forcibly kept him arrested in 1969 when he was found with a 16 year old boy in his car. That's not how he had lured this kid in and then forcibly kept him there when he tried to leave. And the kid had tried to like get out of the car and luckily while he was trying to get out of the car, a police officer happened to be passing by. Wow. And helped. Thank God.

Now he did tell the police at that point. He was like, I probably would have killed that boy if you would not come. Okay, so he told the police that I would have killed him, but then he went on to kill other people. Okay. Now, and they connected him to the other assaults. So now he was charged with five counts of kidnapping. And he was also charged with child molestation

and some other horrific offenses like, Zotomy and, go to jail for Zotomy and like forced Sodomy and you know terrible throwaways to children throw away the key exactly throwing away during evaluations he was deemed quote mentally disordered sex offender amendable to treatment amendable to treatment so he was sent to a hospital for treatment excuse me when they evaluated him further they said he actually had

an IQ of 121, which is above average. He was also manically depressed and also had found, they found damage to parts of his brain that regulate violent impulses. I wonder what happened there. So he does not remember, but he, or he didn't remember, but he said that, I mean, he knows he was abused his entire life. Yeah.

Like his parents abused him, his father abused him. Like, they think some massive damage was done, and he just doesn't remember it. Wow. Because it was probably done when he was so young. That's horrible. So I imagine, I mean, it was definitely his frontal lobes refooked, and like, you know, that connects to, like, you know, the prefrontal cortex will kind of like signal to the amygdala, let it know that a perceived threat is something to get all pissed about.

And then the amygdala will sound the alarm when a threat is near, and it will be the one to recognize it. But the prefrontal cortex, that thing, is like, whoa, whoa, let me check it out, and then it reports back. So the the frontal cortex is the one that's like, let me make sure that this is something we need to like fuck around with. Gotcha. So when that gets like activated, you can't regulate what is a perceived threat,

what isn't, what impulses violent, what isn't? Like it's just go off of all your impulses. So it's just like every just like there's no filter, no regulation and all it just, there's no impulse control. And it doesn't, no violent impulses or thoughts can be regulated. And how do you amend that? That's a hard one to be.

Yeah, that's really all you can do. It's, once that's like a tendency of therapy, I would say. I mean, it's literally brain damage. Furthermore, when they looked him over like more medically, they saw a ton of scars on his body from childhood. No, God. Like, he had clearly been brutally abused. Like, and he didn't remember where most of them

came from. That's really sad. So they placed him at a Tascadero State Hospital in San Luis Obisbo County. And after two years, they said, all right, we can't really treat him. He's unable to be treated. Like we can't make him better. So then you just put him into the world? No, they said they couldn't, they were like, we can't even budge him away from like not being horrific. And so they were like, you just need to finish your sentence in prison because your something's wrong. Like which is smart. Which is smart. But like you have to finish your sentence. Like, how long was the sentence?

Well, and he was released June 11th, 1974, because doctors said he was not a threat anymore. Doubt it. They were so fucking wrong. Not clearly. Like, so wrong. Like, as here we are today, could not be more wrong. So he was released in only 16 months after he was released

so a little over a year. He picked up 14-year-old David, who his name is also his last name is also published, but I'm just going to call him David. He was hitchhiking. David said he was not feeling threatened at all at first when he was picked up by William. And he said, you know, he seemed like a cool guy. They just kind of drove and talked. He was like, I literally didn't feel threatened at all.

He did not give off a bad vibe. That's so scary. Yeah, he never was weird like in the beginning. And you know, he didn't have a face that freaked me out and blah blah. But he said all of a sudden, he started to get a little inappropriate. Like he was saying things that were making him uncomfortable.

And David was like, you know what, can you please pull over because I want to get out? Yeah. Like I'm not into this. And suddenly William got pissed and he pulled a gun on David. Oh man. And then he drove him at gunpoint to a field. Oh god. Where he brutally raped David and tried to strangle him with his own t-shirt. And it was horrific. David was screaming as loud as he could just to try to attract anyone's attention. And he was just trying to beg him to not do this.

And this apparently did something to William because he stopped. Yeah. And it's the only time he stopped. I don't know why this worked this time. Can you imagine being that one? David. Like, why did this work? Right. I don't know why this one. Maybe it's you imagine being that wanted? Like, why did this work? Right.

I don't know why this, maybe it's because he didn't have an accomplice with him. He was not great when he didn't have someone with him. Okay. But he did do it. He did do it by himself eventually. So, but maybe it was, maybe it just wasn't confident enough

to do in his own. Yeah. Like, sick abilities to do this. But he stopped. He apologized and then drove David home. But apparently, when he dropped him off, he looked him dead in the eyes and said, we'll meet again. And he said that like haunted him.

Oh duh. Yeah. So then he attempted to abduct very shortly after this. He attempted to abduct another teenage boy. And this time he was caught when he attempted to run the kid over with his car for rejecting him. What? He was caught.

And he was charged with attempted vehicular manslaughter and rape for David. He was tried for both of these crimes and sentenced to one to 15 years at California men's facility in San Luis Obispo. Am I missing something? Yeah. One, yeah. 15 years. As a first attempt at murder and rape.

Yeah. First of all, that's a very, what? One to 15. That's a pretty big range. And then there. And also one, he can get one, like 365 days for attempting to kill a human being and literally raping something. Brutally and aggressively and violently rap 365 days for attempting to kill a human being and literally raping someone.

Brutally and aggressively and violently raping someone and attempting to kill them. Yeah. He served three years. What the fuck? Three years, he was released October 11th, 1978. What is the Justice System? With the only 18 month supervised probation.

Yeah, like at the fuck out of my face. What? I just, what? This case you're gonna see, there's a few times where I was lit, and I think I wrote it down and somewhere in these notes. I was like, this is John Wayne Casey. It's, he just keeps getting let go. No, it's true.

When you were talking about in the beginning, I got the vibe of John Wayne Casey. So much vibes. Yeah, he's got that vibe for sure. And he has that luck. Yeah. He has that like stupid random dude luck. Yeah, he's got that vibe for sure. And he has that luck. Yeah. He has that like stupid random dude luck. Yeah. Just get they get out of everything.

I'm gonna tell you somehow. No, he moves back in with his mother because like that's working out so well. So like why don't we just keep doing that? Yeah, let's go. I think that's where you need to be. We're like everything's going great. So he got a job as a truck driver

and he starts dating a woman and he's like, things are cooling down, but he was not satisfied with that. Obviously. Was he gay, do you think? That's the thing nobody really was. And do you think it was like internalized? It sounds like he was very angry

and I don't know if that was because he didn't accept himself or because I'm not really, I mean, or he may have been by. Or because it was men who were being predatory to him his entire childhood. So I don't know if he was raging out against them in that way and taking the power back.

But a lot of people do think he was at the very least bisexual and that he was just, that's what his victim profile was young men. For sure. But nobody knows for sure. He never came out, he never discussed it. He never spoiler alert, is he still alive? He is not. Oh, I just did a big, so I was like, he is not.

But yeah, so that's up in the air for anybody to speculate about. But at this time, this was a time when gay people were being treated abysmally. Not that there's been a time where they really haven't, but this was one of those like writing a face. Yeah, like this was like way out in the open and horrible and horrible and horrible. So a lot of these murders were being blamed on like sexuality and horrible. So a lot of these murders were being blamed

on sexuality and stuff. And it had nothing to do with it. It's not at all. It's like, but that was the main thing in all these stories and a lot of them. So it's a bummer when you read some of the old newspapers, you're like, fuck you. It's serious.

It had nothing to do with that. So he's dating a woman, that's the other thing. That's why a lot of people are like, was he by, like, or was he just trying to go, I don't know. Yeah, I just don't know. But he was dating a woman. He was not satisfied with that life. He was not satisfied just being a truck driver

and going to work every day and dating somebody and just going home. Yeah. He wasn't satisfied with anything. He needed the thrills. He was definitely a thrill seeker. That was why he was doing this. It got him off.

It got him happy. He liked this. Try a roller coaster. You would think that would do it, but no. Go to Six Flags. So he was like, you know what? I've been trying it. I've been sexually assaulting, you know, boys and raping boys.

And you know, I got to like up this a notch. So he was like, you know what? I bet torture and murder would be the thing that could really, no, really get me going. So around this time, he was hanging out with a lot of neighbors in the area and these neighbors that he was hanging out with used to throw like a lot of parties at night

and they would have like random dudes over. So he would like float in and out of those parties. And some of these people he met were Vernon Butts 22 years old and Gregory Miley, who was 19 years old. Now this is like right in his age group wheelhouse that he likes to hang out with. And Vernon was a magician and he was apparently until like dark shit as well.

He was like into the occult people said. But they ended up striking up a conversation and somehow it led to how they all were pretty into the idea of raping, torturing, and killing young boys. Good. What have loved to know how that segway just flowed into that? Yeah.

I like magic tricks and then it just goes into that. How do you just meet two other people that are as fucked up as you? And how do you broach that subject? Like how you're literally, you're just saying it and hoping that they're like me too. Because if they're not, then are you gonna kill that person because you've just told them that's what you're into?

What? So I guess either way, you either get an accomplice or a victim out of it, that's fucked up. That is truly fucked up. It's really weird. So a few nights later, so they they don't talked about this and been like, yeah, like that's what I'm into.

And I guess he was saying like, that's, this is like my plan. Like I'll hit you up when I decide to do this and they were like, cool. Oh. Now a few nights later, he met another future accomplice at another one of these parties.

His name was, what are these parties? I another one of these parties. What are these parties? I'm saying his name was William Pugh and he was 17 years old. He too was very intrigued when he heard that Bonn and liked to abduct rape, beat, and murder teen boys. Or that was his plan. He's 17. Again, how are they all in one place? Come on.

How? Come on. Come on. But what he did with support from them was next by a P-Green Ford van. I saw that. Very creepy, though. He had gotten a job as a delivery driver, so he was using it for that. And he also turned it into a murder mobile.

He removed the door handles in the back so that anyone inside was stuck in there with no way to get out. Oh, fuck that. He also placed various weapons all in the back so that anyone inside was stuck in there with no way to get out. He also placed various weapons all around the back and like hid them so that no matter where he was in the van, he could just grab a weapon on an unspecting victim. That's terrifying. Yeah.

And it reminds me of like the Lawrence Bittaker, the toolbox murders because they used to call their van like murder Mac or something like that. Shut the fuck up. We're gonna cover that one, but that one's so horrific. I mean, they all are, but that one's gonna break me. That's a transcript involved with that one that I would never read in a million years. It's like Toy Box.

It's really heavy, but it gives me that vibes. So this is when the murders officially began. May 18, 1979, he in Vernon picked up a 13-year-old boy named Thomas Lundgren. He was hitchhiking, because again, this is the time. It's the late 30s. Everyone's hitchhiking. Once they had him inside the van, he was raped, stabbed several times, and strangled. And then they slit his throat for good measure. Jesus. Before they dumped his body, they also removed his penis and testicles.

Oh. Mm-hmm. Oh my God. Now, for each of these murders, he also used a yellow nylon rope, and he would bind there in all the court documents. They found ligature marks on all the victims' wrists, ankles, and necks, and sometimes would find the actual

court still attached. So they were bound while this happened. Shortly after this, he was arrested again, because he was caught again, sexually assaulting a 17 year old boy. So remember, he was on probation. So he was supposed to go straight back to jail and serve the rest of his sentence, but there was a fucking paperwork error. Isn't there always a fucking paperwork error? Paperwork error. Why? And he was released before his court date. It's literally John Wayne Gacy. There is always a paperwork error. Like a pretty sure that same thing happened at John Wayne Gacy. It literally did. If you work in the paperwork field, stop making errors.

Yeah. Come on on, proofread. Come on. So have somebody check it out for you. Especially in these cases, man. Oh, people are fucking important. Oh, and important here. Yeah, but it happens all the time. Yeah, the one out.

We cover cases. Look at this. I'm so mad right now. Oh yeah, and I felt this way with the John Wayne Gacy thing because everyone's like, how did that do? Just keep getting out of it and keep slipping through the cracks and keep being able to do this. And this is what happened. He was able to do this. Like you're not putting it into their job. Any good into the world. So why are you like you it like they probably feel like they're getting rewarded?

Of course. Now apparently one of his neighbors was the one who gave him a ride home from jail when he was released. Thanks. And he said to him something along the lines of, there won't be any more boys testifying against me again. This won't happen again. I'd be like, uh, see, I have to leave now. And he meant it. And I need to go tell the police what you've just said. He meant it.

He was going to eliminate the possibility that any boy would be able to ID him or tell on him again. He was ready to commit to, he was ready to continue to murder every single boy he raped. I mean, he literally castrated somebody so what does he not capable of? He's a monster. Now towards the end of the summer,

17-year-old Mark Shelton was walking to a movie theater on Beach Boulevard. Bonin and Vernon saw him and abducted him into their van. There, they tortured and raped him brutally. They used objects to do this as well. And apparently it was so horrific and brutal that his body died from going into shock. Oh my goodness.

So they didn't actually get to control when he died and they weren't finished. So they just tossed him out of the van because they were pissed. They tossed him out of the van in San Bernardino County and they kept searching for another victim. Because they were mad that that someone that didn't go how they wanted it to go. Yeah. What? So they did search that day for another one. They didn't find one that night, but they found one the next day.

The next day they were back out looking again and they found 17-year-old Marcus Graves. Now, he was in the US from Germany. He was actually like an exchange student over here. And he had also come for the celebration of his 17th birthday because he wanted to like just cross the country, meet people, stay in hostels, like just float through the US, like he loved visiting here. And he was hitchhiking on the Pacific Coast Highway on August 5th, 1979, when he was spotted by Bonn and Vernon. They picked him up, saying they would bring him to his next stop,

and instead they raped, beat, and tortured him in the van. Then they weren't finished, so they brought him to Bonnond's mother's home and continued it all. What? He was stabbed more than 70 times. Oh my god. He was strangled with a yellow nylon cord, and he was bound with electrical cords on his ankles and wrists. When they had killed him after hours of torture, they threw his body into the Malibu Canyon, and he was discovered the next day. Oh. Now, according to William Bonan,

the true story of the freeway killer by Jack Rosewood, which I'll link in the notes, because it's pretty fascinating. A detective on the case later said of the victim, quote, Bonan was like a rabid dog that had gone insane and didn't know when to stop biting. Oh, yeah, to say that is pretty on the nose. No, at this point, the police are not connecting any of these.

That makes sense. And that seems to be a running dream through this whole thing. Seems to be a running dream, and a lot of them. But in true crime, as well. But Bonn and later said that this was actually when in his mind, he needed to start escalating. He was like, I'm, this is, I'm already getting. What are you escalating to? He said he felt like he was addicted to killing escalating. He was like, I'm, this is, I'm already getting. What are you escalating to?

He said he felt like he was addicted to killing in torture. He said he initially, he just wanted as much of it as possible, but soon it just wasn't doing it for him. So he was like, as we're gonna see, he brings it up a notch and adds more things that he feels are more satisfying to him. Now at this point, he also got his apartment of his own. Wow, finally. Yeah, that's a big boy. So it his department of his own. Wow, finally.

Yeah, big boy. So it was close to his mother's home, but he could not, you know, now he could host parties, have young men over, do the terrible things he was doing. Have a murderer apart. And he became that guy with the mustache that would show you porn and give you beer. Eww! Yeah, liar people watching porn together! Yeah, I don't understand that at all.

Okay, John Wayne Gacy, I don't understand that at all. Okay, John Wayne Gacy. Yeah, I can't. He has so much John Wayne Gacy bags. It's true. It's outrageous. Why are you just sitting around a TV watching people fuck? That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.

It's so weird. It's not a bonding experience. I can't. Watch a hallmark movie. Yeah, for real. Watch Bravo. Watch the bonding. Watch literally anything else.

Anything else. But only days later on August 29th, 1979, he was ready to do it again. So this victim was Donald, Hyden, Jr. He was only 15 years old. He was walking along Santa Monica Boulevard and he was actually from originally Cincinnati, but he had moved to California in 1977 when his parents divorced, and his mom had moved out to California. So he decided to live with her. He had only lived there for two years.

Oh God. Which like that always bums me out just in like a different way, because you go into this new place. You're excited. And it's like, you could be back in Cincinnati, but you're here with these assholes. And it's like, I don't know.

So he was abducted after accepting a ride from Bonn and Vernon and was raped and tortured in the van for hours all night. They found evidence he had been stabbed in the genitals, neck, torso. They attempted to remove his genitals. He was burned in various areas of his body. He was beaten with bruises everywhere. His throat was slashed. He had been raped in various ways and had experienced blunt force trauma to the head before being strangled. Oh my God, they did literally every possible need

of killing somebody. And before strangulation, he was alive for all of it. Oh my God. Now, after he was thrown into a dumpster, off the Ventura freeway, he was founded 11 a.m. the next morning. Stuh. Yeah. 15 years old.

Throwed in a dumpster. Yeah, like that is somebody's child. Yeah, it's less than two weeks later. September 9th, 1979, he went for another victim. David Marillo was 17 years old and was just riding his bike to a movie. They was bonn and Vernonnen again, vernen butts, and they abducted him into the van and repeated the process of rape, torture, and murder.

He was beaten in the head with a tire iron and strangled. He was then dumped on Highway 101 where he was found three days later. September 17th, so only days later, another victim, Robert Wyrostek. He was 18 years old and was also riding his bike like David Marillo. He was riding his bike to his job at a grocery store when he was seen by Bonn and Vernon. They abducted, tortured, and murdered him as well, and he was dumped along highway I, excuse me, around highway I-10. Now November 29th, about a month later, again, this time it was a John Doe who hasn't ever been identified.

Oh, no. He was abducted, raped, beaten, and strangled, and then dumped. Reports said his face was completely destroyed by the beating. He was that they inflicted on him. So it was difficult to even come up with a composite. They had ruined all the features of his face. Bonin said this guy, Bonin himself later said this guy was 23 years old. And they did estimate he was slightly older than his than the normal victims. Authority thought he was between 29 and 29, 19 and 25 years old.

Okay. So it does match, but they believe he may have been homeless or just passing through because he's never been identified and he didn't get matched to any of the missing persons people in the area. That's so sad. He's still not been identified. I hope that they can.

Some of us don't. I know, but I mean, they just got into John Lengacy one like decades later. Exactly. Now the very next day, 17-year-old Frank Dennis Fox was abducted, raped, tortured, and killed. He was beaten in the face and strangled. And they also found evidence that he had been bound by his wrist, legs, and neck, and he was dumped on the Artega highway. Then 15-year-old John Kilpatrick was abducted, sometimes towards the end of the year. So that was in November,

and then it was like more towards the end of the year that he was abducted. He was an initially found to be missing until February, because he was one of those kids that would go missing for a while and not talk to anybody. He was kind of like a floater. So his family didn't really think anything of it or think he was missing. At this point, they're still not connecting.

A serial killer, by the way. All these bodies along highways with the exact same ligature marks. Like guys, come, they're not. Come on. Yeah. So in January 1980, Bonn and killed someone alone. Oh, shit.

For the first time, almost ever. Michael Francis McDonnell was 16 years old. He raped, beat, and strangled him, then dumped him in San Bernardino County as well. February 3, 1980, Charles Miranda was abducted. He was 15 years old, he was hit striking along Santa Monica Boulevard. This is when Bonin was with Gregory Miley, so that other accomplice, he was 19 years old. They picked him up together, they attacked him, raped him with sharp objects, and then beat him. Apparently he

said to Gregory Miley at one point, kids gonna die. Kids gonna, this kid's gonna die. Like was just like, I don't know what to do. And I guess Miley was like, well, well then why don't you just let him go? And he said, I would, but he would ideas. So we can't, we have to kill him.

What? Now, Bonn and then used a t-shirt and a tire and like a grot. And he's like placed the tire, I earned through the sleeves of the t-shirt. Uh-huh. And he's like placed the tyrant through the sleeves of the t-shirt. And he would wrap the t-shirt around their neck and then use the tyrant as like a garot to tighten it.

What the fuck? And he did this while Gregory Miley jumped on his chest. Yeah. They then drove to LA and dumped Charles' body in an alley there. This is so brutal. So brutal. Yeah, it's really brutal.

According to Miley, Bonn and said that, as soon as they dumped Charles' body, I guess Bonn and immediately was like, let's go do another one. And Miley said he didn't want to right away, which is like, oh, Pat, you want to back. No, yeah. But he said he just didn't, he just went with it.

So the same day, immediately after dropping Charles's body in an alleyway in Los Angeles, this one's really sad. They found 12-year-old James McCabe. No. He was at a bus stop on his way to Disneyland. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. And he got in the van willingly because they told him they would bring him to they were like, we won't you don't have to wait for the bus. We'll just bring you. And they did the same thing to him and they killed him. They stole money out of his pocket. Money that was given to him by his older brother

for his trip to Disney. Yeah. His body was dumped to like the other's near a dumpster. And Bonin was later quoted as saying, that little kid was the easiest to kill. Because he's a little fucking kid, you like a child. He's a shit.

A literal child on his way to Disneyland. That's heartbreaking. Yeah. Now, and that one, I just wanted to like, blah, I just want to get as far away. So you wanted to go to Disneyland? Yeah, he was literally on his way to Disneyland. He was by himself.

Yeah, because I guess, so what I read in a couple of things was that his parents were out of town and he was staying with his older brother. And he wanted to go to Disneyland. I guess, and that was like a normal thing. Like kids would just go. And like, it wasn't like it is now. You know, like it was a different time.

Yeah, yeah. So it's like, I think he was just going to Disneyland to hang out by himself. And that was not a strange thing. Yeah. We just go and play on the ride, Scotcha. Cause it was also definitely not what it is now. Of course.

So I think it was more like an amusement park kind of thing. So March 14th, 18 year old Robert Gatlin was abducted in North Hollywood. He suffered the same fate as the other victims, except he had something different done at the end. He had an ice pick jammed into his ear and throat, and was strangled to death before being dumped on a freeway. It ice pick in his ear.

Yep, and that was the first time he had done that. And it was wrote, what the fuck? So March 20th, remember that was March 14th. March 20th, days later, he brought William Pugh this time with him, that third accomplice that was into this. And they abducted 15-year-old Harry Todd Turner. Harry had actually escaped from a group poem, I think, like a boys group home. Where he is probably like being in the story.

And he was just trying to get money, like do anything. He could get money in food. And they offered him 20 bucks for whatever. And he agreed. So they bound him with electrical cords, raped him, beat him. And beat him so badly that his skull was fractured in eight places. Oh my god. Um, Bonnann actually, uh, bit him several times as well. What the fuck? In various places. Ugh.

They then used the t-shirt and tire iron trick to strangle him to death and dumped him in an alley in LA just like Charles Miranda. Now the next victims were only days later, and they were 15-year-old Russell Dwayne, I think it's Russell Drain Rue, and 14-year-old Glen Norman Barker. Both had been picked up hitchhiking. They had been brutally raped, beaten,

bound, and then strangled to death, and both of them were dumped along the Ortega highway. Glen, Glen Norman Baker also had cigarette burns in a necklace pattern around his neck. What the fuck? Yes. They're still not thinking this is a serial killer. Oh my God. Yep. What were you guys doing back then? Yeah. Like they did, they're looking at this and being like, yeah, I don't think this is connected. No. Yeah, I don't think this is. Like one of them, one of the cops came out and was like, no, this isn't like a high, a hillside strangler thing.

It's like, come on. It is, though. And it's like, you didn't think the hillside strangler thing was a hillside strangler thing, either. Like you, you got like, you're not batting a thousand on these. Maybe just going in a different direction. Give it a chance. So also, they later spoke to his accomplices and they all agreed that one of the things that they noticed was that the more that these victims screamed, the happier William was. So his, they said it seemed like his whole thing was to get the most fear, the most terror, the most pain, and the most screams out of these people.

And he would do whatever he had to do to do that. And that's why it kept escalating because he wanted more and more and more. He wasn't just an ends justify the means kind of killer. You know, some of them are like, I didn't enjoy the process, but I was happy with the end result. You know, no, he was a little. No, he loved the entire process. This was a real, real monster from start to finish.

Now, the police may not have been willing or into seeing that there was clearly a serial killer angle here, but the rest of pretty much everyone was definitely noticing a pattern, especially reporters that were covering this case. They were like, hey, we're seeing this, why aren't you? So days after the last few victims were found, there was an article written about the case. And it was a reporter named JJ Maloney. He worked for the Orange County Register and he kind of

like busted it wide open. Oh, shit. So he and they did a ton of research. They talked to a bunch of like, you know, professionals about this whole thing. And they published a story he wrote that basically called out the police department for not putting these cases together. Good for them. And he said what I think is happening is the police department is scared of the public pressure that comes from saying serial killers out there. Yeah. Because once you say it they're gonna want you to catch them. That's very true. And it's like they're worried about that. So they're not saying it. And that's detrimental to solving the case. Yeah. Like yeah, you're gonna get a lot of pressure

and you're gonna get a lot of shit if you don't solve it right away. That's kinda your job. Yeah. Maybe the pressure should be like the direct description of your job, solving it. Yeah, like the pressure should get you going. The pressure should be the thing

that makes you wanna solve this. Right. Like what are you doing? So they were actually the ones who called him the freeway killer. Okay. They're the ones who like coined the freeway killer. Okay. Did the ones who coined that for him? Mm-hmm.

The police were pissed. Yeah, because they just got asses made of them. They were not happy. But like, call it like you see it, man. Yeah, they were quoted as saying, I think it was Captain Walt Onbe of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said, I believe it was the Orange county register that started all this. This is built up and created a lot of fear about a killer or group of killers. And there is no evidence substantiating any of that.

Oh, honey. Eat those words. Eat them for dinner. They were wrong. Eat them. And that's where I'm going to leave you for part one. Yeah, good, because I need a minute. Yeah, I think we need a little break.

Everybody needs a minute. But so this is where we are. We are close to April of that year. Yeah. And we are no closer to even connecting these as a serial killer case. And he is just on a rain of terror. A true, true rain of terror.

This is like the definition of rain of terror. A true, true reign of terror. This is like the definition of reign of terror. He truly is. And it's, this guy has been doing this. I mean, when he was 10 years old, he was already getting in trouble. But he didn't have a chance. No. This was no chance of this person. There's no justifying him. And you feel horrible for younger him.

You feel horrible for younger him. Turn around, man. You hate the people that did this to you. And then you become one of them. What's fucking sense does that make? It just like it seemed like the system failed him. His parents failed him. His grandpa failed him. And then he failed himself.

And it's like, there was just massive failures in every single angle of this case. I think two, unfortunately, like therapy was so looked down upon at that point in time. Oh, so different. He could have benefited so obviously so much from there. Oh, 100%. But and then like just a different thing. He's throw Vietnam in the whole thing. Yeah. It's like, oh man, this is just a recipe for it's literally like, like bubbling in a culture.

Of course. Yeah. Cause I think he logged something like 700 combat hours or something. Of course, yeah, because I think he logged something like 700 combat hours or something So he definitely saw some shit like that and as someone who has never witnessed that kind of carnage I can't imagine no, I can't imagine what that does to somebody who isn't even going through something before that right and hasn't had this Traumatic life up to that point. But then you sit there and think about like prisoners of war during Vietnam, who also were logging those same hours and then came out of Vietnam, decorated soldiers who didn't act that way and murder a bunch of people. Oh, there's like 99.99% of Vietnam soldiers

did not come back and start mass murdering people. So it's like, you can't use it. You can't use it. It's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. It's a thing. It's like there's in how many people have these childhoods that are worse.

And it's like, and somehow make it out of here. It's great. But there's no way of like quantifying. No, I mean, like you can't figure it out. You're just, there's no pattern. Sure. You see abuse. You see neglect.

You see horrific circumstances. You see brain damage. But then you see other people go through the same thing. There's no way to predict it. There's no way to predict it. Of course, if you don't abuse your child and you give them a loving safe home, where they feel that's a good start. Where they feel comforted and safe and, you know, loved and cared for. That is going to likely provide someone who can at least function in society.

And if you are neglectful and abusive and terrible, you have a higher chance of creating a monster. So like start not bad. If we're looking at those two things, like you should probably always choose treating your kids nicely and like loving them and like I'm gonna have to definitely yeah yeah I'm gonna yeah I'm gonna generalize that we're just saying keep it that weird that you just like love your kids and you do good things for

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