Plumbing the Death Star - How is Everyone Ok with the Truman Show?

Episode Date: January 19, 2015

In which our heroes turn on the Truman Show watch him awkwardly navigate through puberty, strain through his first haemorrhoid and mourn the fake death of his fake father all the while wondering how everyone is okay with this. We discuss the 50% chance of Truman wanting to Batman water, the secret Mole-People living under the Truman set, and the Media saturation implied by a TV show watched by the world. Jackson thinks he'd get bored and watch re-runs of Seinfeld instead, Zammit is in favour of Kristof introducing an actual boogie-monster, and Duscher believes masturbation is learned behaviour. We learn a lot about ourselves this episode, none of it good.Want to help Truman be true to himself and become a free man? Head to http://www.patreon.com/sanspantsradio and for as little as $1 a month, you can help Andrew Niccol come up with even more heavy handed and blatant symbolism.And don’t forget to get your free audible book download and a 30 day free trial at http://www.audibletrial.com/SanspantsRadio there’s probably at least three books about symbolism in films, at least no one has called a character Chris Treborn. What was that Butterfly Effect? Hm. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sans Pants Radio, two Joel Zamali and a cancer patient. Today's episode is brought to you by James DeMeyer, a king amongst men who I also assume is even more handsome than I. He donated to our Patreon account, and you can too. What a champ. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of Plumbing the Death Star, where we ask important questions like, why is everyone okay with the Truman Show? Because Christoph owns a baby. He legally purchased a baby. That's fine, right?

Ah, yeah, no, that's the only problem I have. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Shut Up. No, you idiots. Think about The Truman Show. Like, obviously, when I say, are people okay with The Truman Show? I mean people within the movie The Truman Show because The Truman Show is still called The Truman Show within The Truman Show.

How are people okay with the fucking... Why has Jim Carrey got an acting career? Quite frankly, I am mad. I have none of it. I got nominated for Best Picture, I'm pretty sure. That film was acclaimed. It's a pretty good film. So for those who haven't actually watched the Truman Show...

Just pause the episode and just go watch it. We'll be here when you get back. No, but seriously. Okay, so Jim Carrey plays as Truman. Axe is the word I paused because I forgot. I'm going to just jump in here before Dusha spends the whole episode. No, you shut the fuck up. All right, so for those of you who haven't actually seen The Truman Show,

Jackson, do you want to fill the audience in? Yeah, okay, I'll jump in. You're not Jackson at all, you piece of shit. So Jim Carrey plays Truman in The Truman Show, and Truman discovers in the film His last name is Truman. Yes, his last name is Truman. Because he's the true man. Oh my god, Truman

is a baby who is bought and then has a whole island constructed around him and a whole life made for him and he's a television show that everybody watches, like a reality TV show about Truman's life Eddie Murphy, not Eddie Murphy, Jim Carrey living his life from

birth to death. They're filming it, they're broadcasting it, everybody watches it. 24-7. 24-7. Big Brother. It's like Big Brother, but if Big Brother contestants didn't know they were on Big Brother. Yeah. Because that is the big thing you just didn't reveal there is that Truman doesn't know he's being filmed. Yeah.

He's living his entire life in a tv studio pretty much thinking it is reality one thing that i like how everybody was okay with it um it's the largest set ever built and you can see it from space it like points that out in the film like what was there beforehand like did they have to move people away it was like uh kind of like a shitty third world country i'm guessing they were like kind of like you know you know when they had the olympics in china it's like only paint the houses you can see from the parade everything else can fuck off um i think like that but on a larger scale i also like to imagine because it's in a dome

i like they just got like a i guess it would have to be like a spaceship because it just was like down so underneath you have like maybe those who didn't get crushed mole people living under the Truman Show that would be a very different film if he found out he was in a show when mole people the mole people

of Truman that's the show I want to see Truman Show 2 the mole people show anyway yes The Mole People of Truman. That's the show I want to see. Truman Show 2. The Mole People Show. Anyway. Yes. Back to the Truman Show. So, yes, the producer of the TV show. Kristoff bought a...

I don't know if he bought a child. No, he bought a child. He bought a child. Well, he legally obtained a child. Yeah, I don't think he buys it because... They legally adopt it. They don't be like, I'm going to give you ten bucks for the baby. Okay.

They legally adopt the child. And then he decides to make a TV show that revolves around him. So this act, yeah, that's fine so far, I guess, if you're fine with the mistreatment of children. But apart from that, they hire pretty much a city's worth of actors to act around Truman so he thinks he's growing up in a normal life,

even though because he was raised from a baby, they could have done whatever the fuck they wanted and the child would just think it was normal. Yeah, that's true. If I was watching the Truman Show, I'd actually be pretty bummed that it was just like regular life. I'm like, why not teach him some neat lies? Yeah.

And yeah, like, as Truman grows up and he starts noticing that things are a little bit wrong, they just start fucking with his life, like, in extreme levels that is just emotional abuse. For instance, in the film, they kill off the actor that is playing his father. Because they don't want him to be an explorer. What's the way we do that? Not like, oh, look, Truman, you're on an island that nobody ever visits and it's just very, very difficult to get a... No, let's just

traumatize a child. They kill his father through drowning, which makes him scared of water and exploring. Pretty much ensuring that he won't find the edges of the studio. But on a side note, if your father drowned, would that traumatise you to be afraid of water?

If you're there... It's a high-risk reward sort of situation. It's not like... I don't think it's a guarantee. Yeah, it's not a guarantee. But it's pretty likely. Because if you've got a one-of-two way, like one, oh, my father died from drowning,

or two, my father died... I'm going to become a champion swimmer, so I never drown. Yeah, that's actually... You are flipping a coin there. If I'm going to come with you, I'm going to defend against the thing that killed my dad. By swimming?

Yeah, well, you might be like, I'm going to never let it happen to me. He could have Batman'd water. Yeah, he could have Batman'd the sea. That's always an option. Vengeance. Like Splash. Punching the sea.

You take my father, I'll swim in you forever. Wouldn't that be like a fucking, they're like, oh. Aquaman? Is that who you're talking about? He's just swimming out to sea. Shut it down. We're done here. We fucked up.

We flipped the coin. It was head shit. No, with the Truman Show, because they put the kid on the boat with his dad. It's not like the dad died in an accident and Truman was there. Truman was fucking there. It would traumatise you, you're right, you're right, but I still think it's a bit of a coin flip.

It's a little bit of a coin flip. He could have, like, grown up afraid of water, or he could have Batman-ed water. I would say it's more of a coin flip where heads and tails both mean that he's afraid of water, and if it lands perfectly on its side, he Batmans water. But then again, if he did Batman water, that's a good TV show. Just Truman punching the sea.

Any sea-related crime. I'm just imagining shots. Not crime, sea-related accidents. No, no, he just hates the sea. You know in the Truman Show, they have those moments where they cut to the people in the bar watching it. The-related accidents, I think. No, no, he just hates the sea. Like, you know in the Truman Show, they have those moments where they cut to, like, the people in the bar watching it, the guy in his bath watching it.

Just them, no music, and just this splash, splash, splash, splash, splash, splash, splash. His fists connect to the sea, and everybody's just like, oh, man. Silence from the other than the... You'd watch him training as well. It wouldn't be a montage. You'd actually watch him genuinely train.

I'm going to learn how to fight the sea. It would be like a 15-year exploration of just sea fighting. But I... So you see where you're coming from, because the... That's only the first thing that happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They arrange a relationship and marriage with Truman solely through actors. Don't they have an audition for it as well yep and through that audition and also like there's a lot of like power of suggestion going on in the truman show oh yeah in fact the whole thing still works just through power of suggestion and so i'm like because the teacher was like by the way don't be an explorer explorers is shit yeah weird things happen every now and then, but just due to Truman, his surroundings, people being like, ah, don't worry about it. He's just sort of like, oh, okay.

I guess so. Like at one point, one of the lighting rigs falls down from the roof outside Truman's house, and he's just like looking at it, looking up. He's like, what the fuck? Well, I guess also, before we answer the actual question of the show, you've got some other problems. Okay, you've got everyone watching this show,

so you need advertising to advertise on the show, whatever. So you have everyone watching this show, it's obviously got a lot of revenue because literally I think everyone in the world is watching the Truman Show. But if everyone's watching that, that means they're not watching anything else. So you're basically killing off any other forms of entertainment media in terms of television i would say that you've probably exaggerated sure i'm i'm on board with

some exaggeration i don't think okay so big brother right it has a house and everyone's like not everyone but a lot to watch that and it's like enough to sort of warrant you doing it because hey there's money going into it you have a dome which is the size of a city that's a lot of money going into paying the actors the construction workers the the behind the crew tech everything okay so let me finish a lot of people have been watching that to have that being funded okay here's my response to that it's just like big brother here's my response to that. It's just like Big Brother, but instead of 12 Big Brother houses, it's just the one series broadcast to 12 different countries.

It would be that kind of popular. Yeah, no, but it's It has to be insanely popular. He's right. To match the revenue you receive from the Truman Show has to somehow, can you imagine how expensive it would be to construct a city in like one go

a functional city it's only semi-functional that's even worse it's not because like there's only like say like 200 extras they only film around where Truman is so it's a really expensive set but after you've built that

it's not going to be that bad I think it would be easy to actually just have a fully functional It'd be easier to just fucking sneaky film him in actual real life. I know, I know, but then I guess he's going to be like, hey, what's that big billboard with my face on it? Am I

famous? No, but I do see what Dammit's saying, and by the film, we are supposed to assume that this is the most watched show in the world. And also, you can see this thing from space. Yeah. So that's huge. What my question is,

is where did he get the initial start up to build a dome city? What investor are you? Like, you know, hi, my name's Christoph, and I'm going to film a guy for his life. Oh, that's cool. So it's like seven up? Yeah, but I want to construct a life for him. Oh, that's cool. So it's like seven up? Yeah, but he has like, I want to construct like a life for him.

Like he's kind of not gonna know that I'm filming him. It's a bit of a gag. How much money do you reckon this is gonna cost? Before even that came in, ethics? No. None of that. Don't worry about ethics. We'll discuss that later when we answer

the question of the show. Anyway. Back to this pretend board meeting. Go on. Okay. All right. Interesting. So I'm looking for something in the realm of like 40 billion.

Honestly, do you reckon that's enough? maybe I mean 40 billion dollars that is a dome visible from space paying construction workers paying maintenance catering whoever put the dome there

like several cities you would have to transport it's not North America it couldn't be because that is all... It's huge. Before you even start building them, you'd have to go in and level whatever was there to begin with. Make it flat and also you'd have to construct it.

Let's say 50 Bill. A cold 50 Bill. A cold 50 Bill. A cold 50 Bill. So what do we think? Cold 50 billion to make this crazy It will be the most watched show In the world Number one most watched show

For how long? I mean what's the human lifespan? Like 70? So for the next 70 years it's going to be the most watched thing in the world Absolutely Fine I'm on board Let me just stop Cold 50B? Cold 50B Sir this check just says fuck you I'm on board. Fine. Done. Good idea. Let me just stop. He's going to be up a checkbook.

Cold Fitty B? Cold Fitty B. Sir, this check just says fuck you. Let me just stop doing this massive mound of cocaine to approve this. All right. Done. This check says fuck you. I didn't make a mistake.

I didn't make... Get out of my office. Please leave. The only suggestion I could make is that it started small as he was a child because children

are fucking dumb I guess okay fair enough it started in a house yeah and then it moved on and like if it's become

the most popular say for the first three years of his life it is the most popular TV show in the world or becomes the most popular TV show in the world

that's a lot of cash dollars yeah I suppose you're right do you suppose you don't want it to be like okay we've built the dome we've built the town functional we get actors yeah we've sunk a cold fitty bee all right let's start and then people like this is shit i want to see what else is like i feel like it would have been a progress of expansion like started but then even then if he's a baby doing all that kind of stuff and when it's's successful, like, building that dome is going to take some time. It's not going to get done in, like, a couple weeks. It's going to take several years, if not a decade, to build that dome. I don't know if it's going to take a decade.

It could do. Like, it's huge. There's a pothole near my house that hasn't been filled in for three years. That's because no one cares about your dumb little street. Fair enough. that is also true. No, but he's a kid and you've got to remember, this is the Truman Show. They can do what they like

to him. They could be like, oh, hey, Truman, you actually have a terrible illness, little baby Truman. You can't leave your house for the next five years. Sorry, but you get this illness. And he's a little kid, so he'll be like, okay. You're allergic to sunlight. And then it's like, oh, you got'll be like, okay. You're allergic to sunlight.

And then it's like, oh, you got over your allergy. And cool, that's fine because whatever. They could tell him anything. They could be like, there's literally no world outside the house. I like to think that when they finally did build it, they just went to his bedroom in the middle of the night, bag over the head, and transport him to an exact replica. Exact same house. Wake him up.

Wake him up. He's like freaking out. Did I get kidnapped? What do you mean? This is your house, Truman. And then he's like, hang on. There's that mark on that wall that's no longer there. But he's like five. But he's five. I wasn't paying attention to wall marks when I was five. No one ever does, but it's always like a little mainstay of films.

Yeah. Anyway. New wall mark. But to the actual question. A new wall mark. Anyway New Walmart But to the actual question Our new Walmart That Walmart wasn't there You have a weird reaction Stop gasping little five year old German Everything startled me That little kid just won't stop gasping

Like everything You're like hey buddy Come on buddy We're going to hyperventilate And then it'll just be a silent episode Cattle pee. The kid just won't stop gasping. Like everything. Yeah, you're like, hey, buddy. Come on, buddy. We're going to hyperventilate, and then it'll just be a silent episode. No, so I think going to your actual question, Dusha, I don't think I would watch The Truman Show.

That wasn't my question, but I'm glad you gave me that answer. No, no, no, no, not because I wouldn't be okay with it. So it's definitely not an answer to my question. I think it'd be also very weirdly... Here's the answer to my question. I wouldn't. That's not the question. But it'd be weirdly addictive because if you, like, say, I miss a couple episodes of a TV show that I haven't

watched. It takes me a while to go back and watch them, right? So Truman is constantly going. You cannot catch up. I cannot marathon the first season of the Truman Show No, because that is Everything I'm guessing there might be a highlight reel somewhere But then wouldn't you just watch the highlight reel?

You could not marathon the Truman Show Because that would be 70 years of your life Gone You could maybe watch a year of the Truman Show But that's 300 and You can't marathon the show. And also, you have to constantly watch it. It's a weird premise. I don't think...

As an investor in your... Christoph, as an investor, I don't think I'm going to give you this 50B. Well, with the marathoning and that, Truman Show wouldn't work like a normal TV series. You're thinking of it like every episode things happen. There'd be weeks where nothing's really happening. There'd really be like a year's worth of highlights in truman's life yeah truman's first

boner yeah i guess although we kind of call this a watch boomer truman touches a butt cheek for the first time yeah it'd be kind of cool it's like watching him sleep having night terrors of like you know being abducted ah okay enough of that but see I just don't think it could and it goes back to what I was saying before they could have done anything they wanted with Truman

they're like we have a kid we can mould him to think whatever we like we could be like fire trucks we'll kill you all dogs run all of our electricity. They are why our house has power. There was a war with the dogs.

They rose up against us. That is why we are now in this small town. We are the last bastion of humanity against the dog menace. And they didn't. They were just like, hey, normal life. And you know why I like shows like, I don't know, say Game of Thrones?

Because it's something I don't get normally. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's no escapism there. This is a normal dude. It's a guy's life, I guess. And then occasionally they really obviously try to sell me shit. Yeah. I'm gonna see what else is on. Let's watch the reruns of Seinfeld.

Does Truman watch TV? Is there TV in Truman's world? There is but I think it's very product placement-y again Because if Truman was watching Oh yeah in the film it's pretty much just like ads His TV is just like ads If you're watching Basically I'm watching Truman watch TV

Which is kind of boring But also the TV shows that Truman is watching Would have to be heavily edited as well, because obviously the Truman Show is going to be heavily in pop culture. So if there's a sitcom, say everyone loves... You're just a regular Truman. Yeah, like whatever. Say everyone loves Raymond, their version.

Everybody loves Truman. No, everyone loves Raymond. Raymond would be like, Hey, did you watch the latest episode of The Truman Show? That was a terrible Raymond. It wasn't bad. It was alright. It kind of went more Kermit-y. Raymond is like a fat

Kermit in terms of accent. Oh, Debra. Watch the latest episode of The Truman... Nah, that's even worse. That's even worse. It's alright, because Raymond is a piece of shit. Ray Romano, suck a fat dick.

Nah, you're alright. As an actor, he's probably... As a guy, he's probably... Shut up a second. I need to talk about Ray Romano. As an actor, as a guy, he's fine. But in Everybody Loves Raymond, Raymond, the character, is the biggest piece of shit. Yeah, he is. He's the worst.

He's like, oh, my wife hates me because I'm a dick and I never do anything around the house and i might love my kids but probably not and i'm really attached to my parents whom i also pretend i hate and comedy comedy so yeah he'd be like no look gabriel look what you know truman did this week and then there has to be you know like what if what if like the editor like i was editing those shows Didn't edit I just don't think That there's TV issues Again you're forgetting That we can do Whatever we like to Truman

You can be like Hey Truman no TV Too bad I was just thinking then Because the film Has some really blatant Like people watching The Truman Show

The Truman Show itself Has some very blatant Product placement To the point where It's actually not subtle in the slightest. It's like, hey, Truman, would you like some old Kabopolis sugared oats? You know? And like shown to the camera.

Does that mean the Truman Show is like losing money? Does that mean that... Because I can't imagine Christoph imagined that's what he was going to have. No, I think it's probably just getting more and more out of control. No. Lots of money. Actually, no. I think ratings are dropping. I think it's probably just getting more and more out of control. No. Lots of money. Actually, no. It would need lots of money.

I think ratings are dropping. I think that's a thing in the film. Yeah. I think. Because they want to bring their dad back and they want to have all these things. They're like, what do we do? Because it's going down. I reckon that's why there's so much product placement.

I reckon that's like a new thing. What if Kristoff went even more insane? All right. So. World War 3. Ratings are down. What we're going to do is we're going to introduce an actual boogie monster. We're going to introduce

a monster, and it's going to hunt Truman down. Truman is going to think that this is an actual werewolf or whatever it is, and we're going to kill him. We're going to kill him live on air. Well, that brings me back to the original question of, how are people okay with the Truman Show? Right, so back to

the actual question. i don't know because there are so many variables that can happen in your life like what happens if truman was crossing the street as like a five-year-old and then gets hit by a car or not even cross playing with like um a ball or something at the front of his yard doesn't have any alone time in it like what if you had a brain aneurysm? Yeah, no, like stuff like that, like illnesses maybe. All right. Yeah, like he couldn't really get hit by a car because the person driving the car is an extra. He fucked up majorly.

I'll pay that. Is that all right? Are we good? I'm on TV, Mom. Cut, what? Cut? Is that a cut? Jerry?

Hi, Mom. That's how Truman 1 died. It's funny because he'd be yelling all that at the moon. Is that good? Are we okay? This is like the fifth baby. It's really funny to imagine just like that guy, like Truman doesn't die,

and he's just walking along and he's like, Truman's like, oh, you having a good day? He's like, yeah, yeah, I am. And then he just turns and looks at the moon and he's like, was that a good line? Then it was like, oh, you having a good day? He's like, yeah, yeah, I am. And then he just turns and looks at the mean. He's like, was that a good line? Then a new one. Troom was like, who are you talking to?

The moon. Okay. You still went too broad with that, like too like nitpicky with the thing. I don't even think it needs to be nitpicky.

I think just the fact with ethical and moral dilemmas that are coming up in this. Yeah, yeah. People should just be like this is this is live abuse well you see the Truman Show

at the moment like the one that Jim Carrey's Truman they've got it down to a fine art they're very eye and ear all the problems I reckon this isn't the first Truman I reckon it's others I think you know what I kind of agree with you because

I just think you're right the amount of variables that would be in filming somebody's entire life it's going to fuck up once but there's a problem actually because if it did then nobody's watching the second one nobody's like oh Truman maybe the first one was like a closed thing

about like science and then like yeah aneurysm and And they're like, and then they're like realizing, you know what? This is, we're not like, we're not getting any funding. You know,

it'd be funnier. Like, you know, it would be better for our money. If we just filmed a guy, film the guy, put on TV. Cause if I'm watching a guy and at 14,

he has a brain aneurysm and dies. And then the next day it's a totally different guy. I'm going to be like, nah, be a baby again. Cause we got it. Like I was invested for 14 years. Damn it, 14 years of my life.

How old is Truman when he escapes? Let's go with 30. He was having his something-eth birthday. I think it's his 30th. He's having a midlife crisis. Yeah, no, he's not like 50. No, he was having a crisis of something. I think he's 30. Probably an existential crisis because he's

on fucking TV and doesn't know about it. I just think, yeah, I don't think I have a problem with it. I wouldn't be okay with it, but I'm not doing anything about it. 30 years into your life, we revealed that this was all an act. If it was me, then I'd be like, ah! I do love

when he is 30, he keeps having a flashback memory, and also weird that the producers show a flashback as well. True. I don't know how they... Anyway, because how do they know exactly what he's thinking of? But he constantly always thinks about the girl who he sort of dated and then basically had a freakout basically on TV.

And he remembers that really fondly. If that was, say, me, I would just think, yeah, I dated a crazy chick in high school or college. And she was like, what the Christ? No, he starts thinking about it because at the start of the film he sees his dad again in the crowd and he says something crazy to him and then

just sort of gets arrested, in quotation marks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dragged off the set. And then also, it sort of triggers memories that he's... No, no. It's when he starts to question his reality. Yeah. No, I mean I think the reason I would not morally object to the Truman Show is because... You're a terrible person? Well, if it's happening, like, I'm going to...

I feel like in the world where the Truman Show exists, it's just one of those things. It's one of those debates where you're like, hey, where do you stand on the Truman issue? Yeah, actually, that's a good point. There'll definitely be, like, a free. There'll definitely be like a free Truman. I think there is a free Truman. But in the movie, it's presented as like, oh, it's like a fringe. I don't think it would be.

I think it would be like one of those debates and there would be people campaigning to legally stop this shit from happening all the fucking time. I'd watch it because I'd be curious to see what what happens when you raise a child up in um like a sort of an environment but i'm on jackson's side where it's like they just made it a boring thing like why don't you raise it where there's no language everyone's a mute see what happens like i would i wouldn't i wouldn't be morally opposed to it

ultimately like this has always been my i kind of like language and how language evolves. Like, you could never do this in science or whatever simply because the truman is with ethics, but it would be kind of cool to have, like, two babies. Yeah, yeah. You put them in a very isolated environment and you watch them grow up. Of course, you have things where they're not going to get injured and you have places where they can eat and that kind of stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And see how language just develops. What occurs. And so you watch them, you know, study them for, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And see how language just develops. Not what occurs. And so you watch them for, you know, study them for like 20 years, whatever, and just see how they communicate. Watching Truman Jacket and take hot shits, though. Boring.

I'm just going to be like, yeah, I'm going to watch something else. Like, at the end of the day, it just doesn't sound like that great a show. But surely there's an edited version because, like, the film Boyhood, that's 12 years of a kid's life even Big Brother is edited down to the best bit

of the day of the week but Truman isn't everyone's watching it, everyone's going to bed when Truman's going to bed they're like goodnight Truman to the TV because apparently in this universe everyone thinks they can talk to the TV oh no, that's really sweet I forgot about that people feel like they've grown up with Truman

he's like a friend to them. That's why the TV show is successful. Yeah, but to get those initial viewers, how does that happen? It would have just been pure interest at first, and I reckon that watching Neighbours, you watch the first couple episodes as a bit of a goof, and then

by week three, you're like, I've watched it every day. You're like, how's Toadie going to get out of this? Oh, Toadfish. I wish Truman's how's Toadie going to get out of this? Toadfish. I wish Truman's name was Toadfish. We all do. The Toadfish Show. I just wish Toadfish had his own show.

I don't that much. I still want them all, people, but that's just me. He's had the same haircut and facial hair for like 15 years. Yeah, that's true. He went to my high school. Fun fact. You're famous. Emily Browning went to mine.

You're also famous. Fun fact. Fun fact. AFL players went to mineing went to mine. You're also famous. Fun fact. Fun fact. AFL players went to mine because I went to a sports school. Yeah. Yeah, that initial interest. Like if someone was like, Jackson, hey, there's this show and it's about a baby. I would be like, oh, yes.

What else? Can I hold the baby? No, I don't care then. You know what else is weird about the Truman Show? Like as a watchable show. They don't do much to try and be realistic. Like what's the baby? No, I don't care then. You know what else is weird about the Truman Show, like as a watchable show? They don't do much to try and be realistic. What's the draw is what I'm getting. I get that, hey, if you've grown up with it,

if you've been there for 30 years with Truman, sick. They construct storylines. No, but they don't construct believable. Like, okay, think about the characters in the Truman Show. You have his wife who doesn't act like a human being. Not at all. Yeah, they didn't. It's not like, hey. Isn't she pushing for a baby and he's not cool with it?

Which is a weird thing to ask an actress for. Yeah, that's a good point. Hey, actress, can you... Cop a hot dick. Cop a hot dick from this guy and also marry him. Is it a legally binding marriage? Is that her real name? He's not properly binding marriage? Is that her real name? He's not properly consenting.

Is that her real name, though, as well? I doubt it. He's consenting to literally everything that happens under false pretenses. And she gets money. Like, she's getting paid to do this job. Yeah. Everyone's going to jail the moment he escapes. The moment he escapes and people have, like, a little think about it,

they're like, oh, my God. They think the moral and people have like a little think about it. They're like, oh my God. They think the moral implications This is a crime on TV. The moral implications of Truman are terrible. It's like an episode of Law and Order but real life.

Yeah. And it's all well documented. Yeah. Like very well. Like it's all here. Every single bit of footage is here. Maybe that's why

they had to build it over like a Like in a third world country. In a third world country or something where there's just no jurisdiction Yeah For human rights Guys there's laws everywhere

No but I mean some places it's a little more lax Wherever they built Jurassic Park Off the coast of Yeah Costa Rica I'm just mad at the end of the day That the characters in the Truman Show are just like It's basically like a shitty 90s sitcom

but also one of the guys doesn't know it's fake also what really annoys me is when he's chatting to his best friend of 20 years or whatever, like the best friend has to have an earpiece so he can talk to him, it's like even though you were paid to be his best friend for 20 years, you still have 20 years of those

interactions, you can't come up with like a nice heartfelt friend for 20 years, you still have 20 years of those interactions. You can't come up with a nice heartfelt thing off the cuff, you piece of shit. Surely you can just have a conversation with this. No, you need to be scripted. Fuck you. No, but everything would be sort of scripted. No, with a best friend, that makes sense.

I would say best friend and wife. You want them scripted lines all the time. But what if you... Oh, man, if you were like the best... Like you were meant to be best friend with some guy, everything you're saying is scripted. You'd grow to resent that guy. You'd be like, I'm your best friend, but I fucking hate you.

You probably would. I don't know. You'd have a weird reaction. You would have a weird relationship with literally everyone. Your whole life would be weird. It's just a weird... But remember, he's got the two people that work at the insurance agency,

those two old guys, and they're like, have you decided on our claim yet? And they're like speaking at once. It's all wacky. His best friend is just like a classic best friend stereotype it's almost like that's the point

in the hierarchy in the hierarchy of films and movies and that kind of stuff do people say go on the Truman Show to then hopefully be cast in like a summer blockbuster or are they using like everything else to be a jumping off point to go to the Truman Show or is the Truman Show a jumping off point to go to the Truman Show? If the Truman Show is losing money, then probably not.

I am not 100% sure on this, but I think that it is mentioned in a throwaway line sort of thing that his wife was an aspiring actress. So it's still sort of like a jumping off point, but she's sort of... She's waiting to be discovered. What a fucking ridiculous thing to do, and what a trap. Because you're like, oh, sweet,

they're casting for Truman's new best friend. I'm in on it. Or Truman's new girlfriend. What a great ridiculous thing to do And what a trap Because you're like oh sweet they're casting for Truman's new best friend I'm in on it Or Truman's new girlfriend What a great jumping off point And then it's like ah 10 years 20 years married Because they can't fire you It's probably a contract right No they can fire people

They fired the dad No no no he died And got pissed off because of it No they fired his first girlfriend The one that was like hey hey, have you started to... Well, they didn't really fire her. They sort of asked her from the studio. Yeah, she was more...

I guess she was fired. She was fired. Yeah, because in the show, she's like, hey, have you started thinking about your reality? Is it real? Hey, have you noticed that light that fell from the fucking sky and everyone keeps yelling at the moon? Was that fine?

Is that a good take, though? We need to do it again! Christoph, on the Truman show that we're on, we're filming right now! On the show we're filming that is Truman's life. Hi, Truman. Was that a good take? Should I do it again?

What do you want me to do with my hands? There are no takes. He's misinterpreted a lot. Who even hired Jerry. Can I do it with more emotion that time? I'd like to see a crossover with Bruce Almighty and the Truman Show so that Jim Carrey is also in

charge of Jim Carrey. So Christoph's replaced with Bruce. and the Truman Show so that Jim Carrey is also in charge of Jim Carrey. So Kristoff's replaced with Bruce Almighty. That would be amazing. But that would also be weird because it would mean that like God powers every now and then, like tornadoes. Meteorite. See, that would be an awesome show

if it was like once a year, Truman just has to deal with something fucking insane. Well, we only... Godzilla. Yeah. They should be crossovers like once a month. Once a year, Truman just has to deal with something fucking insane. Well, we only... Godzilla? Yeah. Right? There should be crossovers, like, once a month. Well, going back to, like, why would you watch it?

We only see a little, like, a very short slice of time for Truman. Like, we don't know if there has been sort of these big events, although you'd think they would have mentioned it or been in flashbacks, but it does seem like a very boring show. It just seems really boring maybe that's why everyone's okay with it it's so non-offensive we don't care it's not that harmful

is it maybe like a fireplace TV thing where you just leave it on like the fish tank what's Truman up to? taking a hot shit whatever what also would have been fucked, though, is if Truman just decided, like, I love dogs,

but, like, love, love dogs. I'm going to make love to this dog. And it's just like, well, well, shut it down. Or what if Truman was a sociopath? Yeah, what if, like... Shut it down. Like, what if, like, you know, at the age of five, they find, like, Truman just killing birds and young, like, things.

Like, maybe it'll go away. Maybe it'll go away. Look, we've cast his first girlfriend. Oh, isn't that sweet? There. Oh, he's... Yep, and he stabbed her in the neck. He killed her.

He killed her. Shut it down. Shut it down. Shut it down. No, but if I didn't watch the Truman Show and someone was like, Jackson, you watch the Truman Show? I'm like, no, it's the most boring show in the world. They're like, no, no, he's killing birds now. I'd be like, really?

I might, I might have to give this a watch. But we sort of think all the stuff that happens in your life, that sort of happens at chance. Like, you know, you, you find someone,

you fall in love, you know, you do that kind of stuff. You get intimate with them and that can happen at like, you know, say 16 years old, for example. It can be,

it's always, you're, you're showing that you you're filming that? but then again everyone's an actress or an actor in that so that wouldn't happen but then again you're getting 16 year olds and 14 year olds and 10 year olds and all these things

to try and have this lie if we want to assume that they didn't show underage sex on TV I think we do I want to assume that no no because as actresses, they would have just been like, say no until you're 18. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

I don't think Truman has had asexual experience until he's 18. Maybe 21, even. Yeah. Truman is probably sexually a very weird man. And what about all those, like, again, the illegal kind of activities you do as a part of, like, growing up? I eat underage drinking, for example. Hanging out, you know, doing that kind of stuff.

Joel Dusha, good little boy. Good little boy. Best little boy. Drugs? Not when I was underage. Drugs, he probably wouldn't even get a hold of them. I just think, again, we can do what we like. We can be like, sorry Truman, no alcohol

ever. Or, sorry Truman, what's that? LSD and all your food and maybe they just they maybe they didn't want to take the chance that Truman could fuck a dog so no dogs dogs remember the robot the dog uprising not okay I reckon it would have been really sexually repressed now I think about it just because you don't want to risk it because if he's in his bedroom

they're watching him constantly when he's sleeping if he's in his bedroom maybe having a quick sneaky little wank the mum's going to be like knock knock knock Truman would you like a glass of milk to help you sleep she knows there'd be so much shame with it all because he'd grow up in a there wouldn't shame, it just would be non-existent.

You'd discover masturbating yourself. Only because of the world we grow up in. I reckon I would've discovered it no matter what. Monkeys can be like, look at that, that feels great, good. Dolphins, every animal was like, this is it. All these animals still exist in a world

where that happens. Monkeys fuck other monkeys. I didn't watch someone masturbate and go, Every animal was like, this is it. All these animals still exist in a world where that happens. Yeah. No, but monkeys fuck other monkeys. I didn't watch someone masturbate and go, that's how I do it. Hang on, wait. What happened, Dusha? No, but you still discover something. What do you mean?

What happened? I'll tell you how I started masturbating. One day, I was maybe scratching my junk Whatever my hand was down there I was like hey feels kind of nice when I play with my penis Hey feels kind of Oh oh hey this feels better Did you know what masturbation was though? No

No but I did it still No like you said you never heard the word masturbation No not really My theory was just that That would control his environment so much That he'd have no stimulus for that. But he would still eventually touch his dick and have a good time. Yeah, I guess.

It's like if you're like, I don't know, you find something fun in your body, you're going to explore your body at some point. Again, like young kids and all that kind of do touch themselves and it's up to your parents to be like, discourage that. So I have a friend whose parents never discussed that. He just wouldn't stop masturbating. So yeah, it's less, you don't start your kid, Matt.

Let's start that again. You don't learn to masturbate. You learn when not to masturbate. Well, with Truman, they could have just. So every time he starts. Yeah, they could have like instilled like a, you do this, you'll die. Yeah.

Every time he masturbates, there's going to be interruption, like a comedic sketch kind of thing. They could have just made it rather than like, just so not in his bedroom, but like say, because they're not going to show a child showering. Yeah, that's a good point. You can jerk in the shower.

Yeah, that's a good point. They show him doing literally everything else. Yeah, but that's because he's an adult when we see him. We never see him as a kid. There'd be cuts. There would have to be cuts. I don't want to turn on Truman and see a five-year-old pooping.

At the end of the day. What if it was a hilarious five-year-old taking a shit narrating his poops? Well, that sounds the best. Again, it depends on camera angles and stuff. Anyway, none of this really matters. A short shot of the toilet door. Yeah, so I don't know.

They'd probably just chuck ad breaks in when he was a child. No, but they can't have ad breaks. Why? That's the point of Kristoff. It's uninterrupted. Yeah. They just wouldn't show him pooping. They might, though.

Kristoff is like fucking show everything. Kristoff is insane, guys. Yeah, Kristoff, he was making some bad choices. And the whole world went, alright. And that is why no one should be okay with the Truman Show. I've been Joel. I've been Jackson. And I've been Joel.

Just turn off your TV. Turn off the Truman Show. Throw your TV in the bin. Watch reruns of Seinfeld. And everybody loves Raymond. Yeah. Good. of Seinfeld. And everybody loves Raymond. Hey, if you enjoyed Plumbing the Death Star, you should check out our sister show, Shut Up a Second. Let's get your two favorite boys. Me and Jackson. Sort of like Plumbing the Death Star, but

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