Plumbing the Death Star - What are the Wider Implications of the Universe Portrayed in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Episode Date: June 4, 2023

The boys watched Roger Rabbit and have questions. Does Toontown exist geographically? If we from ape, what toon from? Do they age? Can they only be killed by dip? Is it good to be pancaked? And many, many more. Once again featuring a gross misunderstanding of evolution, the boys come up with two competing theories. One being the popped boil theory and the other involving a literal magic pencil. Let us know what camp you fall in or perhaps you’re inclined to invoke the inter-dimensional interloper theory.Buy our terrible merch here and check out the Bad Brain Boys on Apple Podcasts at apple.co/badbrainboys. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ahem. Ahem. You're listening to the SanchPants Network. Hey everyone and welcome to this week's episode of Plumbing the Death Star. I'm Joel. I'm Jackson. And I'm also Joel. This is the podcast that asks the important questions like What are the wider implications of the universe portrayed in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Classic movie. Classic movie. Classic movie. Classic alert. Weedle, weedle, weedle. Can we get that classic alert alarm one more time? Weedle, weedle, weedle.

Weedle, weedle, weedle. Classic alert. Weedle, weedle, weedle. Oh Whittle, little, little. Whittle, little, little. Classical alarm. Oh, my God. Is that a classic I hear? That's a classical alarm. They play that at the Oscars every year. Whittle, little, little. For every movie. Yeah.

They don't miss. So, yeah. It's just there's Toontown. You can go get there through a tunnel or a hole in a wall. Yeah, yeah. And they have cartoons. Toontown exists geograph've got to go get there through a tunnel or a hole in a wall. Yeah, yeah. And they have cartoons. Toontown exists geographically, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, cool. You can get there. You can drive there. It's not a space. It's not a portal, if that's what you mean. No, it's kind of why I was just trying to figure out the- Because you've got to remember in the film, Judge Doom, spoilers, wants to buy Toontown

so he can destroy it and build a freeway, which will never work. No, that's ridiculous. Insanity. Everyone hates the freeway. But I can just steal a ride on the red cars. Whatever they call them. Exactly. Smoke a cigarette with a child.

Good stuff. Live the dream. Live the 1940s dream. So you've got toons, and then you've got, they live in Toontown, but they can come to the real, and they can interact with us, and they still act like they're Toon selves. And the reel can go to the Toon. And the reel can go to, and we- Which is dangerous.

It is scary. It is dangerous and scary, but do you act a little bit Toon-ish? Well, yeah, because Eddie Valiant gets squished like a bank. He gets squished, right? Like, I didn't, that wasn't a fever dream I had while watching it. Yeah, no, he gets squished, and he fall on his nuts, right? He fall on his nuts? Doesn't he?

No, I'm misremembering. There's the scene where he's falling out of the building. Yeah. And there's like a sticking out kind of like flagpole. No, he grabs it. I think because when I was watching it, I was like, he's going to fall. But it's nuts. I also thought the same thing.

Yeah, but he doesn't. The only nuts thing that happens in the movie is when he rhymes, when he's singing a song. Rhymes like something, and it's gonna be balls yeah but then they say neck I think yeah and he's like no that doesn't rhyme

with balls I mean we're butchering it but it's funny he kicks a weasel in the nuts yeah it's good stuff

yeah um yeah so Toontown he kicks a weasel in the nuts so hard the weasel dies no hey that's also

well no I was gonna say I was gonna say it's confirmation the weasel has nuts at all but The weasel dies? No. Hey, that's also confirmation. Well, no, I was going to say, I was going to say it's confirmation the weasel has nuts at all, but it's actually not, because toons apply. They sort of live by a sort of comedy logic where that weasel didn't have nuts,

I reckon, until he was kicked, and then he had nuts, because that's funny. Agreed. Yeah. Like, they basically live on the thing of, like, they can only do something if it's funny enough.

Yeah, exactly. Whereas we, our primary sort of driving force of evolution is survival. Yeah. For a toon, is it funny? It's entertainment. Yeah, exactly. Whereas we our primary sort of driving force of evolution is survival. Yeah. For a toon, is it funny? It's entertainment. Yeah, exactly. But there is sad toons. Betty Boop's upset. She's washed up. She's working for the toon

review. Plus there's that gorilla that's, he like works for the CD. No, he works for the toon review too, doesn't he? But he seems like he's on a hard time. Yeah. He seems like he's... He calls Eddie Valiant a wiser. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, they're sad, but that's just like in our world, you know how we are evolutionary, we want to survive, but sometimes we die.

Sometimes we're sad. Well, Jessica Rabbit never does anything funny. That's true. Yeah. But if you just put entertainment on the card, she horns up so many people in the film. And that's entertainment, baby. So I was reading a little bit about the animation style

and how they kind of... You're going to talk about her tits and how they bounce up and not down. They bounce up instead of when they're meant to be bouncing down. That's pretty funny. That's funny. Her boobs are crazy. She got them crazy nogs. Yeah.

That is cool. It's awesome that I knew where that was going the moment you started talking. You were crossing. I know about Jessica Rabbit's titties. Don't worry. Yeah, and I didn't read about that. I studied it. That's how I knew.

I saw it. I'm like, wait a minute. I just noticed it in the movie. Hey, so, okay. We, famously. Wait. Jessica Rabbit does do one thing that's funny. What's that?

She sets up a joke, but the punchline is said by Eddie. Okay. But one of the weasels puts their hands down her shirt or her dress, and she's got a bear trap in her cleavage, and the weasel pulls out his hand with the bear trap on it and yells, and then Eddie Valiant says, huh, booby trap. Oh, that's right. So she's still designed to amuse. You know what I mean?

Generally. Yeah. Now, as we evolved famously from Ape, what did Toon first come into the world as? Who drew the Toons? Who drew the first Toon? Is the first Toon like a stick, like a stick painting on a wall?

It just came alive. A caveman drew it it came to life that caveman was like i thought i understood the rules of the world and not well but clearly they are beyond me yeah what and then do tunes evolve walt disney is a guy yeah it's been this in this movie in this world yeah did he make mickey? Or does he just employ Mickey Mouse? Find Mickey Mouse. Yeah, it was like Mickey, like a guy in the street, you know, just like a mouse doing whatever.

A rat in a gutter. A fucked up rat guy and he's like, you're going to be the face of my company. Is it like kind of like Willy Wonka where he goes to the land of Oompa Loompas and just wholesale naps him? Did he steal Mickey Mouse to put him into movies? But then who built Toontown? That's what I imagine, right?

It's just Toontown, right? Or a bunch of like, you know, well, Toons are just a naturally occurring phenomenon. Either that they all then like, it's like with sort of like immigration, that kind of stuff. Like, you know, okay, like a lot of people from the same culture,

they tend to kind of like congregate around similar areas. And that's where you get like a lot of places have their own Chinatown. Yeah, sure. Like, you know, okay, like a lot of people from the same culture, they tend to kind of like congregate around similar areas. And that's where you get like a lot of places have their own Chinatown. Yeah, sure. Like, you know, oh, that's literally. Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. Yeah. Yeah.

Forget it, Jake. It's Toontown. Yeah. Well, that's actually a great reference because the script for this film is based upon an abandoned script for Chinatown 3. Yeah. Which is funny because Chinatown 2 is called A Tale of Two Jakes, which feels fake, but that's the real thing. That is true.

I'm assuming maybe Toontown is sort of like similarly built that way. But then the question is where do toons come from? Is there a toon country? I'm figuring it out. We're doing it step by step. I want to get to the end. I'm getting there. I'm figuring it out with the cogs of toon. For Jackson, it's not about the journey want to get to the end. I'm getting there. I'm figuring it out with the cog's a tune.

For Jackson, it's not about the journey. It's about the ending. Destination only. Destination only. Oh! Jackson watches the last five minutes of movies in the credits. He's like, yes, got that. So, yeah, presumably the toontown got built up through either, like, you know, immigration,

those kind of things of different toons coming from different places. So does that mean also would there, say, different styles of animation? So do we have, like, you know. There is. There's black and white. We see many birds. Yeah, that's true. So would there be those kind of, like, you know, the European kind of different animation styles or say, like, manga?

Those horrible fucked up. No, anime's sick. I mean the horrible fucked up European style. We're all thinking about that rat's fucked up, right? I was thinking about like the old Little Red Riding Hood cartoons and stuff like that where it's like, man, she go fucking et and I'm a child watching this. Or like Russian Winnie the Pooh where he walks around around going, promp, promp, promp. I like that.

That's good. They both looked at me and I was like, hmm, okay, not maybe as universal a reference as I thought. It sounds fake. It's real. Is there certain parts of the world? Well, you don't see them, but maybe these are American tunes.

Yeah, and this is said directly after World War II, so... There would have been... So I was about to make the claim that there's probably not much immigration, but actually it's probably the opposite, and immigration's at an all-time high. Yeah, there's a lot... Because lots of countries got fucked up. And I just wouldn't want to be a toon in World War II, you know? Get me out of there.

World War Toon. Great joke. Good gear, good gear. Did they drop the cartoon bomb? No, I reckon it was probably still a real bomb. Well, because you can't kill a cartoon. If I shoot a cartoon with a real gun, does it die? Well, it seems like it kind of might or might not,

because you're told the dip is the only way to full-on kill a toon. But then we also watch a bunch of weasels laugh themselves to death, and they die as well. Yeah, their spirits go to heaven. But then also there's people shoot real guns at the toons. So it's not like... What's the function of that if it's not going to kill them? It might hurt them or wound them or injure them.

Toons don't seem to be able to be hurt by other toons. You know what I mean? You can whack somebody with a big hammer, and they do. And they don't mind. They mind a bit. You can drop a cartoon fridge on Rod Jr.'s fine, but he can also smash himself with real plates and he's fine. And also that isn't a cartoon fridge, it's a real fridge.

Yeah, so he's pretty much vulnerable. That is actually a confusing war. If we go back to the start of the film. It's all cartoons. It's all cartoons until they yell cut, Roger and Baby Herman stay a cartoon, but the rest of the set is real. What

does that mean? Is that just CGI? Is it a cartoon filter that they put over the top of it? Well, okay, maybe this explains a little something. Roger keeps manifesting birds, but he's meant to manifest stars. He makes life. Well, so does Jessica Rabbit. When does she make life?

Well, she blows a kiss, right? That kiss is real. They kill a shoe in this movie. They do kill a shoe in this movie. There's also just like, he also, there's bullets are guys. Bullets are guys. Bullets are guys, and he shoots one bullet off, and that bullet is gone. But that bullet was friends with the other bullets.

Does he come home? Maybe the bullets come home. Or that was their purpose in life. Yeah. And like, what is... If you're a less... Hey, do toons have rights? I don't think so.

Not really. No. Because it's not... I mean, they don't even own their own town. Acme does. That's weird as well. That's something I didn't I assume

A town built entirely Toon style Yeah Would have been built by And therefore owned by the toons But it's not No It's owned by Acme

Yeah Did he build the town? Why does he own Toon Town? Well I'm assuming Okay Does he have something to do with the creation of toons? What? Or the

Or the exploitation of toons, right? Yeah. No, they like Acme. Yeah, well, yeah, but maybe he's not a great guy. But it's his money, right? Yeah. They earn him money. Do they?

They buy his products. They buy his products. That's true. Fucking Wile E. Coyote, the moron. He's always buying. He's only buying Acme shots. Put some fucking dip on the road. That'll sort of Roadrunner out.

Okay, how's this for a theory? Sure. So Acme is like, okay, I'm in the cartoon business. I go around the world and I find these different cartoons and I put them in film. I partnered up with Walt Disney or Mr. Warner Brother, whoever that is. That's probably two of them.

Yeah, yeah. Warner and Brother. Makes sense. Mr. Warner and Mr. Warner Brother. whoever that is. That's probably two of them. Yeah, yeah. Warner and Brother. Makes sense. Mr. Warner and Mr. Warner Brother. Yeah, yeah. So I partnered with them and I got these two in their jobs and they work with these two companies. And then I make my profit selling Acme products.

Yeah. So it's in my best interest if we have a location over here that we have all that talent pool from because it's easy to kind of like grab from that and then I can also sell my products there so that's why he's got a vested interest in making Toontown so he's there he founded Toontown it's kind of like hey

Toons around the world you have a place here we've built something for you bring me your hungry your cartoon bring me your your Toons. Build them and they will come. Build them and they will come. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. So he makes a hub and then he gives it to the toons. So the toons must have in some way rights. No. Because they can own property. Because he gives them toontail. Well, yeah, he does. I can't give a dog my house.

I can. You can. But at the same time, right, it's not about, you know, there's no investigating, say, someone killing a toon. It's about a toon killing a guy. Yeah. And then in front of the police, a person that everyone thinks is a guy kills a toon.

Yeah, he kills that toon. For no reason. But that toon is of a lower grade in the tunes. But then why? Well, I don't know. Also, Eddie's brother gets killed by a tune and the cops don't do shit about it. Cops just seem like they suck shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're buffoons. That reminds me of another time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like the real. Yeah, wow. Okay, okay. Yeah.

Interesting, interesting. Well, do we know? Was there an investigation on Eddie's brother? It says at the start that they never found him. They never found him. Yeah, they were investigating it all, and then on the run, Eddie's brother dies. And so you've got shoes. Clearly, they can be murdered in front of the police.

Doesn't matter. And doesn't mean shit. You've got bullets who presumably presumably once they've been shot they're gone well no because he's alive when he's shot he other bullets they're like which way did he go and also like he gets shot and then he pulls out an axe and yeah but where's that does that bullet have to walk home fly home does it fly back into eddie's gun back. And also, because the gun's not alive, just the bullets are. But is the gun kind of alive? What?

No, is it kind of alive? Because everything's kind of alive. It is kind of alive. Everything moves and kind of distorts to make whatever the most amusing thing to happen, happen. But most of those things have faces. Yeah, that's true. Is it just if it's got face and eye? What metal is the gun made of?

Toon metal? Uh huh Because what Could I wear What bricks are the Toon pants Yeah Yeah

Okay If you go to Toontown And I buy a pair of pants Toons Yeah So there's toon thread There's toon thread There's toon fabric

There's toon industry right? Okay So I'm guessing yeah So there's things that are. There's toon thread, toon fabric. It's just toon industry, right? Okay. So I'm guessing, yeah. So there's things that are created that are... The car, though. Who made the car? Because the car's a guy. Was Benny born or was he made?

The gun is not a lot. He also seems old because he fucking hates driving in this city. But he can't be that old because betty boop is out of work betty boop's out of work by virtue of being not a college not in color yeah yeah now is that a thing that happened uh like was it like new cartoons were born in color or has betty boop got some kind of illness that makes it black and white that they don't want in movies anymore. Or maybe you get a surgery done? To go to color? Yeah, she can't afford

the surgery? But that doesn't make, actually, she says, I can't be in movies anymore. No, I guess what happened to Betty Boop is she was born black and white. Yeah. It wasn't an issue when the cartoons were black and white. Now the cartoons are in color, she stands out by virtue of being black and white.

I would need to get a surgery to go color mode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's that mystery wrapped up. Because with the toons, yes, it's dip that kills them. But I'm assuming it's other things like old age would probably. Does it? Sure.

Because I'm imagining the life cycle, right? Do they have kids? I don't know. Because I was like, well, he's got baby Herman, but he's a 30-year-old man. Baby Herman is trapped a baby. Yeah, he doesn't age. So they don't age. A new Toon's being made.

They are in our reel. But what about that reel? they are in our reel but what about that reel because if you exist if you coexist in a world where toontown is real and toons coexist with you but then also toons are drawn does that mean there's just a giant god hand drawing pictures maybe i was gonna because it's say for example if who creates the toons and if it is a like say walt disney you draw a rat and he's like this is gonna be that yeah um the rat and that rat comes to life. But what happens when that rat draws something? Well, like I said, Roger the rabbit, he makes birds with his mind.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's just virtue of being a cartoon, right? Yeah. I'm saying when they actually draw something. But is just drawing something what brings it to life? Or do you need like a magic pencil? Oh, Spongebob gets a magic pencil when things come to life.

Yeah, but he makes a rotten little Spongebob version of himself. Who then gets the pencil, I think? Yeah, it's a real mess. Or what about this? What about this for theory? Toontown is like an horrible alternate reality. And it's like a tear in the firmament of existence. Uh-huh. But just for theory, Toontown is like an horrible alternate reality.

And it's like a tear in the firmament of existence. And the toons bleed into it from Toontown. Toontown has no real in it anywhere, right? The ground isn't real. The ground is toon. So maybe Toontown is like a kind of a rupture in the earth. It's a popped boil and the toons are the sort of icor spilling out of it. And we're like, want to be into movies? Yeah, sure.

That sounds awesome. Yeah, it's a popped boil has erupted and it's all toon. And so we're like, well, we can't. Let's just put a tunnel to it. Yeah. Because that's the only way you can get there. I'm assuming there's no airport. No.

No. You wouldn't want to fly a plane to it? Yeah. Because that's the only way you can get there. I'm assuming there's no airport. No. No. You wouldn't want to fly a plane into Toontown. No. You'd probably have legs or some shit. So you've got- Or a building will just come up and spike it through the bottom of the plane. You'd be like shish kebab on top. Get me down, you'd be saying.

It was pretty funny. Then you'd watch as some incompetent fricking baboon cartoon doctors came to get you. Yeah. They climb firemen. King Kong the cartoon climbs up to get you. Yeah, they climb. You're a fireman. King Kong the cartoon climbs up the building you're stuck to the top of and they're trying to pull the plane off. And you're like, I will never get better. So imagine, like, okay, so for example.

Toon War. Actually, that just reminds me of a quick side note. Toons also treat people like they're Toons, which is bad because people aren't like Toons. People don't bounce, well, that much. But they do in Toontown. Yeah, well, they've got to be like Toontowns. People don't bounce that much. But they do in Toontown. Yeah, well, I've got to be in Toontown. Toontown changes physics.

Yeah, Toontown changes you. It's scary to go to Toontown. But you don't go full Toon and it still seems to hurt. Well, not as much as it would be if you were completely pancaked. Yeah, that's true. Eddie Valiant does also fall off a building and survive by being caught by a lady that wants to give him a big kiss. But yeah, does it hurt him, or is he just shocked?

I think he's just shocked. What does it feel like to fall off a building and feel it, but there's no pain? Yeah. What is that sensation? Fucked up your meat, fucking... Did you say it fucks up your meat? No, it fucks up your brain. I don't think he could have died in to in town no

I don't any so the gun that doom tries to shoot him with in to to in town that's a real gun is it yeah hmm and then Roger has a real gun at one point which is awesome so good to see a pack of heat yeah you're gonna gun To Mickey for a bit That would be an awesome image Oh dude I liked when in the movie Lost Sidebar When Mickey and

Bugs are falling out Bugs are falling And they're falling With Eddie in the middle And like Bugs is awesome Because he's like A piece of shit Yeah

But Mickey's just gotta be Like a kinda nice guy Yeah He's good You're like Mickey You got no personality Compared to Bugs Bugs is like

Yeah I got a spare It sucks shit It's a spare tie A fuckhead We were cruel to Bugs. Bugs is like, yeah, I got a spare. It sucks shit. It's a spare tie, a fuckhead. We were cruel to that man. And then he's like, ain't I a stinker? He is. He is. He is a stinker.

Because I'm like, imagine. Daffy and Donald hate each other, too. Yeah, they hate each other. But also, it's an act. Yeah. Because they say, unless this is how toons are, Mr. Acme is like, they never finished the show. Presumably because either that's the point or they don't realize that their fighting is, you know, what people have come to see, which is weird.

They would know because, again, they're an act. Yeah, they're entertainers. Yeah, but the act is meant to be them playing dueling pianos and then they fist fight. Yeah, which is the act. That's the act. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do they hate each other or are they just like amicable workmates? That's just the performance, I would assume.

They hate each other. We come into this studio and yell at each other for three hours. Yeah. We do hate each other. It's cool when Donald's tail turns into a hand. That is cool. He's playing piano with his ass. Yeah.

So, I guess what I was... So in Toontown, I would argue that maybe Eddie or the humans that go there are invulnerable, right? Nothing in Toontown can kill them, which is why he could get got by a real gun. Because he was in Toon. Yeah. Because it's a real gun, no matter what. Yeah.

Why are you not a real you, no matter what? Why do guns work different to meat? It's like, I thought I had something. Then I'm like, maybe that's why Doom tried to shoot him. Yeah, that would make sense. Because I'm like, okay, because I guess then the rules of the gun work both in real and toon. What flattens him? The elevator.

The elevator goes up too fast. Oh, yeah, that's right. The dog's a piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to wake up. Your floor. What? I wake up. Your floor. What the? I got no...

Your floor. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck Droopy. Fuck Droopy, dude. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't say watch your step.

Fucking cheer up. You got a job? Sad son of a bitch. Depressed ass dog. I hate him. Scooby's never that sulky. Scooby's having Sad son of a bitch. Depressed ass dog. I hate him. Scooby's never that sulky. Scooby's having the time of his life because he can eat a whole fucking sandwich made for a human being. Although that would depress me if I was droopy and I was friends with another cartoon dog that was treated better.

But again, he's doing it for comedy, right? He's doing it for the bit. Yeah. Every cartoon is doing it for the bit. And cartoons, even when they're in pretty life-threatening situations, the toons, they're goofing. Yeah. doing it for the bit yeah yeah every cartoon is doing it for the bit and cartoons even you know like when they're in pretty life-threatening situations yeah the tunes are they're goofing yeah they're having a laugh building on your theory though zamit is it potentially that the elevator situation is a tune situation and not necessarily a tune location but it's a tune bit

and shooting a man with a real gun isn't a toon bit, so... Yeah, that's true, because if you shot a guy with, like, a toon gun, he probably wouldn't die. Well, it depends. There are bullets that want to get frisky or whatever he says. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They look pretty dangerous. I think you could get shot in toon realm

if the gun had, like, one of those sticks with bang written on it. Yeah. That would just go through your ears and come out the other side. Whoa! I think you might survive that. Yeah, that's what I mean. You'd be fine. You'd be laughing.

I just don't think you could get killed by a toon gun. Maybe. What if I went into, what if I got Roger Rabbit? Yep. In real. Yep. I got a butcher knife. Yep.

And I just stabbed him a hundred times in the chest. I think that would probably kill him. That would kill him? I don't think it would. What would happen? I think he would be like, I'm feeling a little woozy. I need a drink. And then he'd drink and then water

should come out of the holes. And then he might pass out. But then he'd be fine. Or he'd be like drinking and then like, oh! And then like, you know, put his glass to the weather. And he'd be like, I need a bandaid! And slam a bandaid on his head. He'd be good to and then like, oh, and then like, you know, put his glass to the weather. He'd be like, I need a bandaid and slam a bandaid on him. Yeah. He'd be good to go.

Yeah. But what about, flip it, he stabs me 10 times in the chest. Dead. Dead. With a cartoon knife. Dead. Cartoon knife though. Maybe not dead.

The singing sword is used as a weapon. Yeah. And what if the cartoon knife, you might say, this is going to hurt. And it would. Yeah. Because I'm stabbed in the chest. I guess, yeah. I guess, yeah, you would die by a...

What about beheading? No, he'd just put the head back on. He'd pick his head off. So, because we see the safe that is dropped on Acme is a real safe. Yeah. It's not a cartoon safe. It's a real safe. And the piano that gets dropped on Eddie's brother, we don't know.

But they are in Toontown. They are in Toontown. So, it's probably a real safe. And the piano that gets dropped on Eddie's brother, we don't know. But they are in Toontown. They are in Toontown. So it's probably a cartoon piano. So I guess real... I guess sometimes it works for us. Well... Is it the intention? Maybe.

Because, look, sure, Roger is there for comedy, right? Yeah. So they're all entertainers, but there's a different kind of entertainers. Whereas Doom, he's a violent cartoon. Yeah, what the hell's going on there? He's not like doing this for entertainment reasons. He's a selfish toon. He's a toon with ill

intent, right? Yeah. He's fighting his nature. You see it. He slips on those ball bearings or whatever and he does a pratfall, but he doesn't want to. No. He fucks up his eye, though. He fucks up his eye, his eye pops off. But it's kind of like, you know, whereas, say, Jessica Rabbit is like, I'm not bad. I'm drawn that way.

Yeah. Whereas I feel- They are drawn. Jessica Rabbit answers the question. Oh, shit, she does. No, but is she just saying that, like, you know, like, it's just like a thing you say? Like, it's like a saying, you know? Is that a saying?

Is that a saying? I was born that way, dude. Yeah. I was drawn that way. They're drawn. Who drew the toons? I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that they're drawn. Who drew the toons? I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.

I remember on the television series that aired in Australia for a brief time in the mid-2000s, 20 to 1, a countdown show where they would have anywhere between C to D list celebrities come on and pick their favorite moments for a category. And I'm not bad. I'm drawn that way was picked as like the seventh horniest line in a movie. And it's like I get it. It is horny. Sure. And I'm Not Bad, I'm Drawn That Way was picked as like the seventh horniest line in a movie. And it's like, I get it. It is horny. Yeah.

And Jessica Rabbit obviously was like intended to be like a femme fatale and like the horniness is an important part. Cranked up to 11, yeah. But it is awesome

to be like the seventh most horny time I've ever been. Movies. Roger Rabbit. Roger Rabbit. When Jessica Rabbit's like, I'm just drawn that way.

That got them. Wazza, wazza. Oh yeah. I think it got a lot of people to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. At least she doesn't have rabbit ears.

That would make the world a more fucked up place. apart from her saying I'm drawn that way, what I mean is like, so with Doom, he is a bad toon, right? Yeah. And so when it comes to like,

well, when he would stab somebody, they die. But if Roger was to stab somebody, I don't think they would because it would be funny. Yeah. Yeah. I still. So he says the only way to kill a toon, right, is with the dip. They don't just say the only way to kill a toon.

It's like the only way to reliably kill a toon. Because toons can still die as weasels die. Yeah, that's true. They a toon. It's like the only way to reliably kill a toon. Because toons can still die, as weasels die. Yeah, that's true, they go to heaven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They went to pure life. Yeah, exactly. And one of the ghosts turns on the machine on the way to heaven. They're still stinkers. Oh, yeah.

Okay, so maybe it is intent. Maybe you're right. Because I was thinking that the dip is made up of various chemicals, and these are chemicals that they basically use to destroy cells of animation. Yeah. That's the bit of the dip. Yeah. So what could it be if I set a toon on fire?

Yeah. Because that would destroy a cell of animation. Roger is in an oven at one point. But it's a movie oven. You know trick ovens that use in movies. I think there must have been, at some point. But it's a movie oven. You know, trick ovens that use in movies. I think there must have been, at some point in time, whoever it was

drew, or there was something that happened where there was either, it had to have been a magic ink, or a magic pen or a magic brush, or something like that, where they have enabled that whatever they painted, or whatever they drew that came to life. And it had to be the limited stock or the magic wore off after a while they have enabled that whatever they painted or whatever they drew, that came to life. Yeah.

And it had to be the limited stock or the magic wore off after a while or something along those lines because that's the only way I can think about if they're drawn like that and they have life because you see a lot of different tunes. Different kinds, yeah. You got Bugs Bunny. You got Daffy Duck. You got the Pinocchio. You got the hippo-puppiness in there as well.

Dombo, he's there. They feed him peanuts. That's what they pay him in. He is just an elephant. Yeah. Do the toons believe in God then? It would be toon God because they go to toon heaven. If there is somebody who made the toons, i.e. a creator, then it would stand to reason.

If you see a spirit ascend, is that a religious experience for you? Or do you know that's because it's funny? Or is it funny? It was funny. If you saw someone die and a ghost went into the sky, what would you think was happening? Little angel wings playing a harp? Would you be like, that's funny?

Would you be like, I believe in God? What would you do? I don't know. That's what I mean. I'd be like that's funny would you be like i believe in god what would you do i don't know that's what i mean but i'd be like huh after yeah i guess afterlife real yeah but what i'm not even sure if that would be enough to convince me of that really yeah i mean like what if once you because there's still like another phase it could also just be like, oh, yeah, that's your spirit, and, yeah, you ascend and you can see your own body for a moment and then you fade to nothing. Yeah. Or maybe heaven's real and God's real and you're going to hell

for living a cursed and terrible life. But the weasels go to heaven. Yeah, but do they? They might get judged and sent to hell. Or do they just go up? Because that's funny. Unlike if you panned up on the raft and they're just sitting there. Yeah, exactly. Do they they just go up? Because that's funny. And then you see them like... Like if you panned up on the raft and they're just sitting there.

Do they come back to life? Yeah, exactly. In like two scenes away that we don't see the weasels get up and they're good to go. But also there's a cartoon sun. Yes. It's not on Earth. Toontown isn't on Earth. No, but it has to be.

It's a ruptured boil from some kind of horrible Toon dimension. But they have their own sun. They have their own sun. That's not our sun. Or is that, is that the sun? Viewed through a Toon lens. Yes. That's even more disturbing because that means that.

Toontown's like a bubble. Yeah. Or under Toontown, if I tore away at the earth, I would eventually reach man dirt. You know, under the Toon. Yes. You would get some man dirt, I guess. You know? Unless they have their own sun.

Because that sun is... Or is that sun just a guy? Yeah, is it closer? And that's kind of providing... No, but I don't even mean that. I mean somebody who ever drew... It's literally just a guy that exists in the sky and does nothing else.

Like they're cows, but they're not cows, they're people. So one of the toons is just a sun, and he's like, as a sun, I've got to go in the sky and wear sunglasses. Yeah, and there's like a moon and a cloud people. Yeah. There's tree people. People whose whole deal is just to be in the toon nerd.

And when they go to, when Eddie goes through the tunnel, it's almost like he's going through an experience. Yeah. And there's birds that know his name. Yeah, well that's because he's been in Toontown before. Okay. Oh, Eddie, brother! Welcome back! They have a long memory.

And also you gotta remember the... Yeah, she's friends of Toon's. And yeah, like, if you've got a problem, remember, you've got to see the Valiant and Valiant. Yeah, yeah. They save Goofy from being accused of being a spy. Being a spy. Oh, my God, dude.

I'm still not convinced. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I... I'm going... Unless it's just, yeah, there's got to be a place on earth where it's – it can't just be like, okay, this is a culture of toons. It needs to be industry level.

It needs to be like toon dirt. Yeah, there's toon dirt. There's toon dirt. There's toon grass. There's toon grass. We got man dirt and man grass. Because they make bricks. They make road.

They make all this stuff out of tune. So it needs to be like a substance of tune. Because I was thinking, could you use some of that to be like, for example, when we're talking about the plane getting skewered by a building. Oh, yeah. When like, you know, what do you call it? Slides, they pop out of a thing. And you're like, oh, you slept down.

Oh, yeah. Perfect for like, you know, we're using some tune material. Oh, yeah. Because it's harmless too. You're not going to hurt yourself. It's harmless. It makes it a bit more fun. Make the plane out of toon. Why don't they make the whole plane out of toon? So it's like,

could you build something out of half toon, half man? Well, probably. Could you put real bullets in a toon gun? That's a great way to trick a real guy. Oh, it's in a toon gun? That's a great way to trick a real guy Oh it's just a toon gun

But why do you need to trick him? We're in a feud He's always suspicious of me Because I assumed toon bullets don't kill Oh I'm not going to get killed by toon bullets I'm a man Yeah because that's why Doom has a real gun

Real guns seem like they are more lethal than toon guns. But then Valiant takes a toon gun into Toontown. Yeah, instead of his normal gun. Yeah. Well, I guess, is that because Valiant, maybe he doesn't want to kill? Oh, so it's like a non-lethal gun? I doubt it, because the boards ask where he's been and he says drunk. Yeah, that's true.

So that's like his special good gun. Yeah. Not his special weak gun. Yeah. Why would you bring a toon gun into a toon fight? Because you know toon gun is not going to kill a toon, right? Something silly will happen. That's what's going to happen.

Which is why I'm thinking, is he trying to be- But then why bring a gun at all? Because it still causes harm. it still is a disruptor. Do we see a toon get shot with a toon gun? I don't think so. We see a bottle of whiskey get shot with a toon gun. Yeah, that's it. And we see the bullets try and zip after the judge,

but then they go the wrong way. They get lost. Idiot. Dumb bullets. Stupid bullets, dude. Dumb bullets. A real bullet would never. Well, yeah, I'm just thinking that maybe toon bullets do kill toons. Yeah, okay. We just don't see it. dumb bullets dumb bullets a real bullet would never well yeah

I'm just thinking that maybe toon bullets do kill toons yeah okay we just don't see it yeah and maybe like

with the whole like reliably kill a toon it's like yeah some toons if it's the situation's right you can behead them and they'll just

pick up their head and put it back on and it's all good but other times you can shoot them in the head with a gun and they die

I think it's gotta be intent right yeah I suppose and if Eddie is there with intent to kill. Oh, yeah, he's got intent to kill. Then those bullets will do damage. Because I think a lot of this comes down to, again, right, a toon has evolved for entertainment and comedy, right?

And so a lot of it is just through what it wants to do. Yeah. There are life-threatening situations that aren't real life-threatening. So with Roger being in handcuffed. Yeah, he can be handcuffed sometimes and not be handcuffed other times. Yeah, that's true. You could have gotten out of that any time. It's like only when it was funny.

Yeah. And so even when there was somewhat life-threatening moments where the Weavers were after it, he couldn't get out of it because it wouldn't have been funny. I obey different cosmic laws to you, Addy Val. Which makes sense in Toontown because, again, becoming a flat pancake going up an elevator is funny. Yeah, and it would kill you normally. Yeah. But in Toontown... If it's funny, it's good. That's a big

risk. Yeah. You're like, alright, this will kill me, but it's alright, it's funny and then you die because it wasn't funny enough. You're like, I need to jump off this building to escape the goons. I'll take off my pants. I'll trip on my pants so I fall off the building? Yeah, if I fall off. Do a big fart to descend so it kind of slows down.

Or maybe land directly on a fire hydrant or something so it all goes into your ass. This is a different kind of funny, I guess. Where you land completely, and it's two down, so the fucking fire hydrant's completely up to you. And then the top spins off and you open your mouth and it jets out water. And you're like, I guess this is funny. It's more horrible. It's funny.

I guess it's funny. I'm laughing. I'm laughing. I'm cleaned out, I guess. Yeah, it's a kind of whole body animal is what I've really experienced. That's nice. Yeah. But it is a risk. Could you? Would a whole body animal be experienced. That's nice. Yeah.

But is it risk? Could you? Would a whole body enema be good for you? No. Yeah. You got some goo in there you need. Yeah. You're all going to be sick because your gut health is fucked.

You're going to shit your stomach acid. Yeah. You need that. As you were saying, where it's like, oh, physics are different, right? Yeah. I just don't think physics apply. I think it's not even just physics, right? It's different laws. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Different fundamental laws. Different laws. We have math that rules our world. Yeah. Math does not rule Toon World. So obviously there's Newton's laws or whatever. Do you reckon there's, like, Toon Newton? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every object has an opposite and equal hilarious. Well, it needs to be an emotional reaction, right? Yeah, I suppose so. So a lot of it is able to be about... Because I'm thinking, because you're right, it's sure Jessica Rabbit isn't funny. She's just kind of like, but she sets up people to be funny. Because with a lot of things,

you need someone to set up the situations. And with Judge Doom, he's not a funny guy but he's still like entertaining because you know you need that kind of villain yeah yeah it could have been funny if he committed to being the wild toon but he talks like this that would have been funny it's pretty funny that would have been pretty good so i again, I think it must come down to emotional. Do we think it's dangerous that Toontown now has greater access to the rest of the world? Isn't the implication that it always did and it's only recently been closed off so that Judge Doom can... Build a highway over the top of it? Yeah. Yeah.

I'll wipe it out because, yeah, Valiant and Valiant used to hang out in Toontown. No, I mean, like, will Toontown expand its borders? Might a bit. Yeah. Are they still part of the United States? Is Toontown part of California or its own sort of... Do they have their own president? Is it their own...

President Toon? Do they vote? No, they do have their own jurisdiction. Yeah, they do, don't they? They have their own cops. Yeah. Toon cops they vote? They do have their own jurisdiction Yeah they do don't they? They have their own cops Yeah Toon cops It's weird

There's one seat Yeah that's true And the judge Like even though he's By all appearances Meant to be Like you know Tricked everyone

That he is Yeah He's a human being But he still is like Jurisdiction over Toontown Yeah And because he paid A lot of you know

Dosh to do that. He is a Toonjot. Yeah. So there is this kind of like, there is, you know, like diplomatic immunity kind of thing between the two. Is it a principality? What the fuck is Toontown? It must be.

It's its own little sort of ethnostate. That's weird. No, but it is, right? Yeah. And they don't, you know, in theory, like driving to that tunnel would be a security check.

Yeah. Which is maybe what it was. And now it isn't anymore? No, because that's when like they, you know, all the birds come up and say, oh, Eddie Valiant, we're checking who it is.

Welcome to Toontown. Yeah. I don't know if I like Toontown, guys. I don't like that there's a train track right outside the opening of the tunnel, so you drive through, you can't see shit, and you might just get hit by a train. Yeah, but it's funny. Yeah, it's funny.

It is funny. It's funny until you're hit by a train. But he has a car, yeah, the moment he goes, he has a crash anyway, right? Yeah, it's funny. It is funny. I was laughing. Yeah, the moment you drive into Toontown, because it's like, oh, he's got a real-life car in Toontown,

but, like, it crashes because that's the rules of Toontown. Who do you go to for, like, recompense? Like, can you, you know, because Toontown's physical laws wrecked your car. Yeah. Does Toontown have to pay for you to get a new car? Well, I think it would have been, he would have gone to, like, a Toon repairman who would probably be able to fix that up, but then his car. Yeah. Does Toontown have to pay for you to get a new car? Well, I think it would have been, he would have gone to like a Toon repairman who would probably be able to fix that up, but then his car gets stolen.

Oh, that's right. By Roger though. That's true. Who's driving it out. And fucks it up even more. Yeah. Roger's got to pay for your car. He's a movie star.

He's got the cash. Yeah. Although everyone in Hollywood hates him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's lost his spark. It's only because he thought that Jessica Rabbit was playing patty cake or something. No, he lost his spark prior to that, too. At the start of the movie.

He never gets it back, though. Yeah, he was freaking out because they were thinking Jessica Rabbit. No, because he fucks up. He doesn't do stars. And that was the reason why the head guy was like, oh, the reason why. I mean, that was a little bit arousing. Why did he lose his spark? I don't know. He's just been in the industry a while. Yeah. Because they frame it as like, oh, the reason why... Why did he lose his spark? I don't know. He's just been in the industry a while.

Yeah. Because they frame it as like... Frame? They framed it as it's because of Jessica Rabbit. That's why he's like she was out seeing... being a starlet or whatever, out seeing... I thought it was the other way around and it was like

because Roger is losing his spark, she's out gallivanting. His whole life's falling apart. He sucks at his job now. His wife's out gallivanting. I thought it was like he's sucking at his job because he's too distracted because his wife is out gallivanting. He doesn't seem to care. He does seem to care. No, he cares when he sees the patty cake photos.

When he finds out she's playing patty cake. Yeah. But prior to that, he doesn't seem concerned. I don't know. Because they always seem to be in love with each other. Like, very, very. They've got a really good relationship yeah which seems like

he's not upset until he finds out that they're playing patty cake this is where it comes down to intent right and like emotional entertainment yeah because like yes while she is Jessica Rabbit is absolutely

you know in love with Roger Rabbit that she would do anything for Roger but she has to play that certain role yeah that's true to make it seem that there's doubt she's not bad she's just drawn that way so you know she has to do that certain role to make it seem that there's doubt. She's not bad. She's just drawn that way.

So, you know, she has to do the whole, like, you know, patty cake. She has to kind of, like, make it look like that, you know, she actually doesn't care about Roger. For someone who's married, she is quite a flirt. Yeah. Absolutely. She hits him with a frying pan to help him, you know. No, that's to keep him safe.

She loves her husband. Exactly. So, put him in the boot of a car. Yeah. It's the safest place for him. It's the safest place for him. It is the safest place for him. Her last name's Rabbit because she married into it. Yeah. I get it.

His first name is Who Framed Roger. The book's called Who Censored Roger Rabbit. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's got a fucked up story. Yeah, it's not quite the same. Yeah. Well, here's one deviation. The murder victim at the start is Roger Rabbit.

Yeah, it's a bit different. Just a touch. Okay. I don't have any further questions, Your Honor. The censoring of Roger Rabbit also wasn't his murder. It's that in the book, Toonspeak with speech bubbles, and when they find Roger dead, his speech bubble's been, you guessed it, censored.

Oh. There you go. Oh, my God. They canceled Roger. They got his ass on Twitter, dude. Yeah, dude. Roger Rabbit is over part. He's trending.

Oh, my God. So I guess. Do we think Toontown's a positive or a negative On earth Yeah I don't know I think it's a positive but would I live right next door to it No It is annoying and every toon is annoying Annoying is not scary is more the approach I take

Like disruptive Which is annoying I guess What I think about is anytime Roger does anything he wrecks wherever he is He knocks over tables And the weasels do it too. Mm-hmm. The destruction of property that a toon does. Imagine living next door to Taz.

Yeah, exactly. It's a fucking nightmare, you know? But then in- The Animaniacs? Yeah. In Humanville, there's like a big bar right next to a train, and everything's constantly falling off everything there, and that's built by people for people and they don't seem to give a shit.

Times are tough, you know? I guess it is, no, not the Great Depression, but everyone's probably scared the Great Depression's coming again. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Surely the economy was dog shit directly after World War II, too. I think the war kind of got people out of the Depression. Yeah, because the 50s were sort of golden age economically. Oh, okay, in which case, that sucks that the bar sucks,

but sucks to suck, I guess. Still, you know, it's still from that bygone era and all that kind of, you know, but anyway. War's good for the economy? Yeah, sometimes. Can be. Yeah, look, it sucks, but yeah. Yeah, I don't know. the implications is just that i because i'm like where where did it come from where did toontown come from where did it go well it's still there

where did the other tunes come from where yeah it's like yeah it's it's are there other other styles of the toon towns in other places? I initially thought yes, but the more I think about it, I don't think so I think these are the toons I'm starting to come around as well because there's that line that Eddie and Judge Doom are saying

who's going to care about one tiny town that's going to be left off the map right? That's Judge's idea because I guess it must be the only town like this. I would probably care because I'm like this is a very curious thing that's happened to our reality. So, frankly, it probably seems like a mistake. I think it must be either. It is a boil that has popped and this is what is spewing out or some kind of wizard magic. It's an Eldrix deal with some kind of deity.

So what we've landed on is a wizard did it. That's interesting. I just don't know how these toons could have popped up. A wizard did it. You're right. Either we got the ruptured boil theory or the wizard theory. Walt Disney was a wizard. He created the toons.

Because all you need is one. They got Fantasia, right? Cheap. They got Fantasia cheap. To me, it's like if you just got that Mickey as a wizard. Yeah, that's true. But he's drawn. He didn't make himself.

Unless he did. Okay. But also the implication they got all of the Fantasia characters cheap, which means that they must have bought them from Disney. But that's just like buying actors. Yes, a common practice. Well, no, that was back in the RKO days, right? There's like a stable of actors.

You would just be like, I'm going to take someone. Yeah, exactly. It would be like your team, basically. Yeah. And then you just put them in every movie and you shit out 14 movies. Yeah. Every three months. Yeah, every three months.

And they're all horseshit. They're all good. Oh. But people still come because they love your actors. Yeah, exactly. Unless you've got bad ones, in which case, oh, no, you better hope your movie's good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh. I Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Oh! I just, I can't. Whoever was the first cartoon that came to life, I guess that would be the key, you know? Yeah. That's how we figure out what the hell is happening here. Has there ever been, like, again, a creator drawn or, is it Bugs? Well, sometimes Bugs? Well sometimes Bugs Well actually There is that tune where

it is Bugs drawing I reckon Mickey probably has a similar thing there. Well no but hey let's think about it. What if Mickey is magic and it's Bugs is drawing? Well it kind of feels like you know we talked in the Bugs episode about how Bugs is kind of he's got this pretty natural understanding of the fact that he's in a cartoon.

And he knows it's a hell, but there's nothing he can do about it. Yeah. Maybe Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a world where he figured out how to do something about it. Yeah. And he found a way out. Yeah. Into our world. Ain't he a stinker?

He sort of. Ain't he a stinker? Ain't he an interloper in our reality That yeah That kind of That's either that or a wizard So imagine right So it is you have right Bugs

Draws himself out of cartoon realm Into real And then maybe after a while We'll say if he drew Mickey as a wizard Yeah Now we've got Mickey magic And maybe after a while we'll say if he drew Mickey as a wizard. Yeah. From Fantasia. Now we've got Mickey magic.

Why would Bugs and Mickey draw each other? Well, Bugs will do it because Bugs is like, I am limited by my ability to draw or whatever, but now I need that spark. Oh, okay. So he's doing it for personal gain. Yeah, I need that magic. Yeah.

I need that spark of life that only Mickey can provide. And then Mickey starts drawing all the Disney guys and then, I almost said Kermit, but I didn't mean Kermit, I meant Bugs. Draws all the Warner Brothers guys and then that's how you get the town. It's lonely here. They build Toontown together and they... And like, they're just hanging

out. Yeah, they're not in movies. Except Goofy, who is. Goofy's who is. Yeah. Goofy's gymnastics exists. Roger really respects Goofy. No one's ever just gone for him harder. Yeah. Because with Eddie jumping off or getting pushed out of a building,

he opens a door and there's nothing there. There's no floor. Like, Mickey and- They're there. Mickey and- They're skydiving together. Just there skydiving, right? Unless you remember, they're not skydiving together Just there skydiving Unless you remember They're not skydiving off or anything No

They're just falling They're just there They are They're monsters Dare I say Omnipresent Yeah yeah yeah Dare I say

Omniscience You may dare You may dare You dare say Omniscience So maybe They're the gods of Toontown. That's a sort of unsettling conclusion. Yeah, they're the gods of Toontown.

Well, here, I'll help make you feel better. I think a wizard did it. Ha ha! Yes! Yeah. Well. Anyway, hey, I don't want to open a can of worms, and I'm just going to put this out there,

and then we're going to end the episode. Chippendale Rescue Rangers is a continuation of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, so that adds a lot more questions into it, because Toontown has clearly expanded. And on that note, I've been Joel. I've been Jackson. I've also been Joel. Yeah, there'll probably be a part two, I guess,

when we watch Chippendale Rescue Rangers again, but that sequel that came out a year or two ago, yeah, it's confirmed to be a spiritual successor to Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Ugly Sonic. You let us know what you think happened to Toontown. Did a wizard do it? Was it a wizard? Is Bugs Bunny a god?

Is it God Bunny? Yeah. Is it funny that those kids gave Eddie Valiant cigarettes? We can answer that one. Yes.