Rooster Teeth Podcast - RT Podcast #209

Episode Date: March 13, 2013

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Twisted metal, streaming now, only on Peacock. This podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the internet's leading provider of audiobooks with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, nonfiction, and periodicals. For free audio book of your choice, go to audiblepodcast.com slash rooster teeth Welcome to the Rooster Team podcast episode number two zero nine this week Gus Gavin Barbara Jack and Bernie Did the Mexican way did you know that this is the original cast? Wait, wait, the Mexican way? This is the call the wave in the UK. From the first video, I like it. What are the series'es, though, really? This is the same cast.

God, and we went back to it, and I didn't have to learn my lesson. You did not learn that. Sorry, internet. So South by Southwest is going on in Austin. So it's been a hectic week for everyone. Yeah. We just wrapped up the games festival this past weekend. Thanks.

So while I was there, we spent times going, sitting in the booth and signing autographs and talking to people. While I was there at one point on Saturday, this kid, who the fuck did not silence their phone? What's his face? His face was burning. This one kid came up to me on Saturday.

And was like, hey, you took a picture of my brother last year. Oh, god. And I was like, oh, OK took a picture of my brother last year. Oh, God. And I was like, oh, okay, cool, cool. Then he pulls up the picture and shows me, he's like, do you remember this? I was like, no, sorry, man, I don't. And he goes, you bastard.

I was like, how long was this kid? He must have been like 16. Because he was nagging you. And I was like, really? He goes, no, yeah, whatever. Then he asked for my autograph. And I was like, no, no, no, I'm a bastard. Did you start it at Boston? Yeah, I got a bus. You yeah, whatever. Then he asked for my autograph and I was like, no, no, no, I'm a bastard. Did you start at Boston?

Yeah, I wrote, Gus, you're a bastard, though. And then he walked off. And then like 10 minutes later, he came back with his little brother who was in the picture and he came back with his mom. So I said, did you know your son just called me a bastard? Like 10 minutes ago? He didn't even say that.

He didn't even say that. And she was like, what in her head like whipped around to him? He was like, yeah, I didn't remember taking a picture with his little brother last year. So he called me a bastard. And she looked like she in her head like whipped around to him. He was like, yeah, I didn't remember taking a picture with his little brother Last year, so you call me a bastard and she looked like she wanted to murder him. Oh, he's like, no, no, I was kidding I was kidding. I was like, I'm a bastard. I don't know what's going on Wow Pull the cheers. You know, I just say that like that is a question that people will often

Ask you at a convention like Comic- Con is not our booth, but overall, is like 135,000 people that go to Comic Con. Yeah. And someone will walk up and they will say, hey, we talked to Comic Con three years ago. Do you remember me? It's like, to me, there's no upside to that question. It's just like, you know, it's just like,

I don't know why people ask that. It's like, so did you say yes always, you know, that we saw probably 1,000 people that year, but yes, I remember you know You know, I brought the DVD for you to sign no, I know I know I'm saying I don't understand Yeah, I don't know what they're asking is what I'm saying like what's the motivation of it? I don't know why I remember really obvious stuff as well Like I saw a pitch once of me with a dude dressed like a giant hot dog. You think I'd remember that I've no memory You're probably drunk. I was from St. Row. Also, you see so many people in costume throughout a convention. Yeah,

but you don't see a hot dog costume on it. It's like a picture with Batman. You're like, I don't know. Maybe it could have been a few guys. A hot dog? Probably not as many. I think I was leaning my arm up on his bread roll and I had my hand around his sausage. You were, what was it between the bread roll and the sausage? I know the opposite way. I always assume when I see someone that I haven't seen in a while that they don't remember me. Like we go to parties for South by Southwest and we run into other people who do what we do.

They're not from Austin, but they come to visit Austin. Also, a lot of times you might know somebody, but you know them in a context. And so when you see them outside that context, so you know, you don't recognize them right now. So a lot of times I just like, when I haven't seen somebody in like two years, I'll walk up and say, oh hey, so I was like,

hey, man, Bernie from Richee, they go, yep. I know who you are. Well that's the problem. But they're not like, yeah, yeah. That's the problem. That's the thing to do, though. It is the polite thing, you know. That's how I feel.

That's how I feel. Constantly. Yeah, I just assume that people have busy lives. And you know. Every day when I get home from work, I walk in and I'm'm like good to see you Esther I'm your husband I know Hi Benjamin judge you by the spreadsheet will have sexual intercourse

I think you're more than a percent chance It's more to assume people remember you than to not reintroduce yourself Like I think it's worse to be like oh you obviously remember me rather than be like oh you already introduced yourself to me I don't think that's as bad You don't think it's as bad to do what? I'm sorry. I'm not. You lost me a little bit in the case. Should we introduce yourself?

I think that's better than assuming they remember you. Oh, yeah, I did. Of course it is. It's not what we just said that. No, I'm just really feeling that. You did it in the most roundabout way. You could just, I agree. Jack, you want to go for it as well?

Just to get a thought about it. If you haven't seen someone a long time, it's better if you introduce yourself as you see them again. Hey, I was here a couple of days ago. just to get a third of it. I think if you haven't seen someone a long time, it's better if you introduce yourself as you see them again like, hey, I you know, I was here a couple years ago. It's good to see you again. Like, I know it's assumed they don't remember who you are. That's the way I think I was thinking. I didn't know what it was. You really didn't really do. You really didn't really make

the point again. Every time you want to be the boy. But it's not for the love of God. It's not for the love of God. But the party's been fun. It's been kind of crazy. I will say this. Awesome. Do you want to be the boy? The top or the low on God, the top. But the party's in, it's been kind of crazy. I will say this, Austin, I love this town. I really do, there's nothing about this town that I don't like, and I realize I'm gonna make this statement while wearing a checkered shirt in the sock die

and black-thrown glasses. But what has happened to Austin since the beginning of South by South West this year where the fucking hipster quotient has just like the needles paid now. It's the same as always. It's definitely worse than needles. It's definitely worse than needles. It's one of those things.

Well Jordan moved here. Jordan is a viral marketing campaign for Ray Ben. No, it's one of those things where like I think Austin's kind of been known as the hipster area. So we're getting people from out of town that think like Oh, I'm gonna go full blown hipster. We're getting import. Yeah, we're getting imported like a guy who's trying out to be like the hipster You know like when when like people go to Vegas, they kind of like get a little crazier unusual Maybe the same idea except there are a little more hipsters unusual. I don't off the chart. They're better inner hipster

Yeah, yeah, it's like East Austin just threw up on the rest of Austin is what it feels like I got my capri jeans I need to wear I didn't like it now because people don't believe me that I'm from here I'm like oh where'd you come from if stuff is self-assalamine I live here now I've lived here for a year And I like bollocks. I don't believe me. Pollocks? Because I'm really what this is. That's what I was saying. We were from LA's.

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I want to give you an immediate shout. Texas and your Barbara are across here. So we went to some parties this weekend. We held a party this weekend. I don't know if I want to say it because it wasn't really a public party. So I was just saying we went to a party. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's less rude to talk about the party in the past tense. Yeah, we were doing something to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to a party anyway, so it doesn't matter. I guess it's over if less rude to talk about the party in the past tense

That's you yeah, we were doing to yourself that you made us do she the middle of your blood We were sitting there like I had had a few drinks where I was standing there drinking and stuff and this guy walked past And I was like man who like and the people were taking photos with them. I looked over and like that guy looks awful That's scumbags Steve like what the hell is come back Steve doing on our party? My question is how does he get in because we have a problem? Yes, come back Steve's crashed our party It's like That's how it's going to be. He's a movie. There you go. There you go.

That's how it's going to be. Oh, that's good. It looks like a family. I don't know, but it was really dark in the party and he kept doing that with the pop-up. It was crazy. But um, that's me. I was not sober. I'm like, I was open there, Jesus.

That is Jack. That's really weird. Jack, did you reintroduce yourself to you, Skimbex, do you have after you? It looks like it's Hats photoshopped on the air. But, I mean, it's kind of funny to see him, like, he's actually sort of taking, you know,

he's living the meme now. He's kind of embraced this. He's living the meme. That should be a shirt. That should be a sure. That should be a sure. But he's a nice dude. He isn't, he isn't, he's a good guy Greg as well. Because his real name is Greg, right?

I think so. No, his real name is Blake. I think. Yeah. It's like Boston Blake, right? Yeah, it's like Boston. Yeah, like Boston. But, but like it was funny.

So he walked past me and then I was like, oh my god. And then this guy's like, oh yeah, he's with me. Like, you want to meet him? Like, yeah, sure. And then, um, do you want to meet him? Like, you have to go through this guy. It's like, I was like, oh my God. And this guy's like, oh yeah, he's with me. Like, you want to meet him? Like, yeah, sure. And then, um, do you want to meet him? Like, yeah, I have to go through this guy. I'm like, manager or something. He could have been.

But he's like, no way a meme has a man. I guess there is a guy who was there at the party whose job was to manage memes. And like, manage people who were in memes. I think this might have been the guy's time. Yeah, it was like, because he's like, oh, you want to meet the guy? I've did nine cat.

And I was like, sure, OK. And he's like, oh, I'm Tam or whatever. His name was like, I invented, or I made nine cat. I was like, sure, okay. I was like, I'm Tam or whatever's name was like, I invented or I made nine cat. I was like, oh cool. You know what? I feel like you don't have any to meet these people there. Well, I agree with you.

And it's like Jack, with all the respect in the past, we've talked about things that you get like, there's nothing that's too much for you, that's like two on the nose. This to me is an example of that. Like you get really excited about seeing Skumbags Steve in person. It was more of a cycle.

I got kind of excited about it. Because you were all admitted. Okay, okay, okay. I got excited when I met the double rainbow guy. Did you really? Okay. So something else, I don't know if you know that maybe I talked to you about this,

but I get excited to be Antoine that the rapist is going to be a part guy. I was talking to my friend and she looked over and she saw like a guy with a Mohawk. And she's like, that looks like the guy from the Curiosity video. Okay. The Mars Curiosity thing. And I was like, oh, I was like to my friend and she looked over and she saw like a guy with a mohawk and she's like that looks like the guy from the curiosity video Okay, the Mars curiosity thing. Oh, and I was like oh, I was like okay. Yes the guy's nasty Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, and so she's like she walked over she's like huge You look a lot like the guy from the curiosity team he goes. Yeah, that's me and it was supposedly was actually him like in

I don't know if you're I talk to him. I talk to him. I asked him if he wanted to come on the podcast and he's down with it. Who is it? So there's I here. So that was actually I got introduced to him. The guy. This is the guy who when they were landing the latest round of rovers on Mars, he had a mohawk with like stars in it. Yeah, yeah. It's some some goopy thing. Anyway, he became really well known on the JPL team. And I mean, I liked that because he's a guy who's like making an effort and, you know, speaking of people making an effort and looking cool, Monty at the party looked like a fucking... Awesome.

He looked like a badass. He was great, but he spent the entire party trying to unbutton my shirt. Every available opportunity. That's a bonus for you and it's really trying right now. Yeah, but no, so I got introduced to the guy from the JPL team and it's like a being introduced to him among like the The scumbag Steve guy and like the other mean people it's like I just didn't seem like I mean He's like this the guy's guy who fucking landed a ship on Mars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, different, you know

So like this guy this guy's popped up everywhere now, but it was like it was just weird like wow What like what is this guy doing in our party? How did he end up here? Here's an interview? So with a cheerleess are yeah so that it was pretty crazy it was like wow that's I did not even see that guy really yeah although I was pretty drunk so it's it's not too so the so we're the party was can we also point the fact now just before anyone else points out that all the parties that we make fun of we should make fun of on the podcast and then we actually go to these fucking parties but we actually we become everything we hate and we have lived long enough to become we know that so comfortable with that We had a party

In this one at this venue that was like at the top of a building and to get there You had to walk up this giant flight of stairs. It was ridiculous. It was like a straight shot all the way up there We're all I'm I'm totally out of shape. I walked up that I was like panting It was four flights of stairs Imagine like you're walking a, I was like panting, but I got stuck up. It was four flights of stairs. Imagine like you're walking a four flights of stairs, but you walk it up a straight line. Like you see what you're gonna,

it's like a mine temple. Is it what, it looks like you're going to. There's lines of footage. And then of course, once you get to the top, you get drunk. And then when you go to go down, it's like the whole thing's spitting. Gavin, you're not focusing on anything.

Every time I suck Gavin. I got a couple of shots in at this point. We're going in video to be linked in the linked up. We're showing a video from the front. every time I saw Gavin, every time I saw Gavin, every time I saw Gavin at the party, I made it a point to put Jack and Coke in his hand. So you had a reason why yesterday was one of the worst days of my life. Every time I saw him, I was like, hey, let's get you a drink. The worst. Hangover? Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. Man, I always say that they start doing shots and stuff. And I always say, if there's ever a night where I don't

remember what happened in the night, the last thing I remember is taking a shot. Always. That's 100%. And I'm like, I said, I just like, just looking at the ceiling. Did you do a shot that night? Yeah, I did. What was the last time?

I was at that party at Gus's house when you got gone. I did. You got gone. Have you been, have you hit that level again since then? That was to Keylinite. Oh, but we might, uh, luckily when we went down to Australia, I had brand in there as a decoy and people had hand me shots and I go, I go, hey, thanks, brand of drink this. And I had to hit it.

And that's when brand has hit me that tweet that made no fucking sense I had it saved my phone forever It was just like total nonsense and it was worthy I'm actually something to eat so how do you feel about? Making a video guy had called an interview with the folkroom where you just don't talk about that I have an idea for a thing for a thing that I want to talk to you about I think I've heard talking about this. I think we just come up with the same idea I think I think you might be feeding back to me something that I said to you are talking only drunk history

No, not at all. I'm gonna stop it. He said stop it. It's a video or not. Well, I'm no see. There's something that exists So now I'm in tree. That's the whole thing Like yeah, something already exists on the internet like you think of something already exists Gavin and I Gavin and I left the, after our party, we got invited to, we actually showed her on screen, she was a Lazar who runs what's trending. They had like a, they had a party right around the corner from us.

And so we went over to that thing. I don't know what they did to promote that party, but they did it completely wrong. Because there was like an entire block of fifth street that was the line for that party and- Would you like a special guest there or something? This is what I understand about these things. People will wait in a line around a block for what essentially amounts to

$30 of free drinks. You know, it's busy, it's south by southwest, so all day long people go to panels, I guess that's what they do, and then at night they go to panels, I guess that's what they do. And then at night they go to these parties. And it's like if they can find one that's an open bar or whatever, then the people just go ape shit for it. But I mean really, what's the, I mean, 30 bucks of free drinks is what you're really hoping for.

And they're in line for like three goddamn hours waiting to go on this party. But because I was on Sherlock's R shows today, show today, Barbara, you're going on Wednesday. Yeah. And Jack, you're going on Wednesday. Yeah. And Jack, you're going on Thursday. Thursday. He's got some cool guests that he's interviewing. I'm trying to figure out if I can talk about them, if they've been announced.

I'll talk about it a second, but let me finish this story. But so we got on this list to get in. And luckily, the producer of the show was in the doorway when we showed up. Otherwise, Gavin, I would just walked away. And they were like, oh, the guy's name is James. He said, come on, come on in, come in. So we go in and we duck under the rope and go in. And the people around us, it was like, we had somebody describe it. It was like skipping the line for a lifeboat at the Titanic. People were fucking like,

well, you were already in when I arrived. Right. Exactly. So we would do the same experience going in. Yeah, I was with the dude. And there was a line like half a mile long going this way. And then we were trying to get in under the rope and all that and then some woman came over She was like VIP lines this one and there was like another line of like 50 people and I'm just like I don't really want to get in that barely at all and then someone grabbed me Pulled me under the rope and everyone's like swarming in because we're getting through and I'm like squid in under And then in the end I actually got under the rope and right last minute, as I ducked in the door, I went,

let's get on. Oh, God. But then you get in and what? It's a fucking bomb. People are grabbing me and trying to like shove me back when someone was clearly trying to bring me in. Yeah. But then you get in and what is it at the end?

I mean, at the end of the year, I mean, you're in this, it's a part. It's another, a different party. I'm exactly the fucking famous the last one. So I really don't understand the hubb hubbub with our sets come back Steve Though yeah in curiosity mohoth you that's right actually make your decision about how to do the other really Yeah, that's funny so I guess everybody was just making the rounds and it was only like a block like a half a block away from our party So after we left after I left our party

I was like walking down a street trying to figure out what to do And I got a push alert from the South by Southwest app on my phone that was like thunderstorms headed to Austin by midnight. Be sure to take cover. It was like, I don't know the idea, clear up. Why doesn't the fucking weather channel app send me alerts about thunderstorms? Why am I getting alerts from the fucking South by Southwest app? I'm sure it's a weather app you could download. I have the weather channel app.

Well, maybe it just is not set that way. I'm sure there's an app you could download that will. I'm sure there is, but I would think the weather channel app would Well, maybe it's not set that way. I'm sure there's an app you could download that will. I'm sure there is, but I think the weather channel app would have that functionality. Maybe there. Fucking get on it people. Get your shit together. It's like it seems like that's core functionality that would be relevant. And I had no idea what's going to rain. So thank you, the Southwest app creators. Hey Jack, there's a message for you over there. Hey, sorry. So here, let me read this thing here. I want to remind everyone that this podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the Internet's

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should recommend to Douglas Adams book but I didn't I recommend to pop it get first Jordan so second Jordan sick burn so I'm still trying to figure out if I can talk about who's on so we're going to be some of us are going to be on the the Nerdist podcast this week on Wednesday on Wednesday we will be on the Nerdist podcast people have asked us to do that for a really long time and so Nerdist podcast this, it'll be me and Gus and Joel. Yes, you said that like Joel. Me and Gus and Joel. I'm gonna be live streamed, I believe. So people who want to. Is it. I'm gonna be nervous. If I said it like Joel, I'd be like, I would have been nervous when I said it. I told you. I told you. We're there. And I said, we're going in the podcast. But so, for South by Southwest, it's gonna dominate probably a lot of our conversations the early part of the podcast here

Because everyone from all over comes to Austin for this festival called South by Southwest which it starts off With now a little gaming thing that they have a small gaming festival Flush interactive and then there's an interactive festival which is not the same thing because But this whole week is interactive though, right? Yeah, and then it also film is started too They overlap they all overlap so and then it's interactive and that overlaps the film which are overlaps with music It's started with music initially back in the day The South by Southwest music festival and then they added film and then years ago They had an interactive and now they're trying to get some gaming stuff going. But the crazy thing about that is, the badges are super expensive.

Like if you wanna go to all the festivals, the badge is a platinum badge, I think that's like 1,800 bucks. I think it's something like that. Yeah, and the crazy thing to me about it is that the interactive festival, which is like a bunch of panels about like, how to make it in web, social media, et cetera,

that's the most expensive single batch. That's like thousand bucks for that batch. And I think music is 700 and film is 600. That's way to whack to me. Is that even crazy to you? No, it seems insane. Well, I would think you'd get the most benefit out of an interactive batch. Why? I don't know. I just feel like music and film is more for enjoyment purpose. Okay. An interactive is more of a learning and meeting people. So you feel like you should pay more for Education as opposed to entertainment. See I think what Barbara is saying is that it's more of a business expense. Yes to go to the interactive festival. So probably someone could probably justify getting that company more easily than the Justify film or music unless they're in that industry Well, we have a friend who has a film in the film festival. We have Emily Hagen's has her film for employee

Yeah, grow up 20 Phillips is she got a film that's there. It's her now or what her that her fourth feature that she's making it's her I thought it was third third feature It's her fourth. Yeah, and she's the ripe old age of 20 It's great was the DP for that right? Yeah, yep age of 20. You got her fourth film. It's out by seven. Great was the DP for that, right? Yeah, yep. So yeah, so I'm gonna go see you later this week. We're gonna be like Thursday or something, right?

We're gonna see it, so check it out. And then what else do we know? Anybody else? Like Nathan's film I read got picked up. Kid thing? Kid thing, yeah. I was reading somewhere. I think it was like on this Facebook that he posted that. Nathan's out with us anymore. Those of you don't know that nice. Nathan

left the company what about four months? He's still alive. Yeah, he's still alive. Someone looked up to him and see what it's like. I have a cousin who actually has a film that's showing itself by Southwest. It's called Lunar Sea with like an exclamation point at the end. It looks really cool. No, that means it's called Lunar Sea. The most excitement of the season. I've been feeling a little under the weather today. What? The hand motion combined with the silence right after you did it. No, he held it. I liked it a lot. He held it like jazz hands.

You got to stick with it's commitment. That's performance. Lunar sea. You got to commit. It's part of our improv training. It's part of our improv training. Remember? No, you weren't. Yes and so you're under the weather too like ever it seems like a lot of people kind of down I think I got a cold in this year Yeah, everyone keeps hitting the flu again and again. I think I got a cold this time I can't work up with the sore throat and kind of a headache and you one of those people that bundles the flu with a cold Sure when you think it's the same thing. I just other being sick. Isn't it a form of the cold?

The flu comes with a fever and colds do not come. Flu is a thing that you can die from flu. Yeah. Only cold. The cold. If you were to die, it would be really lame wouldn't it? Yeah. The colds of death, flu.

No, no. Historically you'd be with a lot of people. Yeah, it's lame now. I don't know, I guess so. Historically, getting killed by a cannonball, historically, you'd be with a lot of people too. It would still be lame today though. Dude, how many fucking people have really been killed by a cannonball historically would be with a lot of people to it would still be lame today though Do you know how he fucking people have really been killed by a cannonball not that many people Well, I'm sure couple hundred. I'm sure it's more than that

How do cannonballs kill people do they do they hit you or do they explode are there some that have like? There's just wrap no It's a little calm. I can't be I think I know I think I don't think I'm gonna explode I can't all stay intact I think there's both kinds unless it's unless it's like a big few sticking out do you like it before you fire like one of the flaming animals that blows up like in a like a bowling like you can upgrade an h of empires I love that they still put those on the signs of the fucking TSA at the airport. What the fuck? Someone's gonna carry a fucking bomb

Wicked So stupid what is that certain so my iPod case? I mean, we need like an international symbol like we clearly mean bomb It's like you're either carrying a bomb or not. It's like oh shit. Oh, yeah, I got my bomb on It's so upset if I was if I were to walk through I have put security with a black bull with a fuse Flaming they would just let me through you know, they don't actually think I would walk in with the ball They changed the TSA started allowing or they're gonna start allowing pocket knives again on planes good Good, but you should not take your shoes off to get on. Yeah, you still have to take your shoes off and you still kept

Take water on I do not have to take my shoes off with pre-check, which is nothing you should do really I admit I didn't pre-check We traveled so much that I registered for the service with the TSA called pre-check you can look it up It's only in some cities, but I go to LA so much that LA's the city that has it It goes against what I feel like I'm a kind of big privacy person. So I had to like register with the TSA and actually answer interview questions and stuff like that. Like kind of like pre-screen myself.

So now when I go through L.A.X. Sometimes they put in this totally side like security line where it's like, I don't think I have coat, I don't have to like take off my belt and I can just walk on through, you know. It's like they just turn down The texture like it. What is that what's that global entry thing? Have you seen that oh that's for like it gets you through immigration and passport control more quickly? Okay

I can't read this real quick. Yeah, okay factory 25 which sounds like a distribution company Factory 25 has picked up Sundance Berlin and South by Southwest title Kid Thing from director David Zellner and his protrusors cinnamon target for brother Nathan Zellner. The film will open in New York on May 24th and will expand to the spring and summer. It will also be available on cable. I choose Amazon Xbox, Sony PlayStation and other digital outlets May 24th. With a limited edition DVD book following later this year, check out the synopsis below. And then you go read the synopsis.

Look up, kid thing, if you want to find out what Nathan Zellner's up to. And it's playing in South By? Nope, it's already played. But I just say, I just remember reading they got picked up. That's a lot of them. Good for a hit.

Was it in the last South By? Yeah, it was in the last South By. Yeah. But so back to, we got to circle back here a little bit. So, Shirla Zarr, Jack Jack you're hosting on Thursday. Yes. I had the the the extreme honor today of hosting The show when my Twitter idol was on it is mr. Oh, she me not mr. Dr. Shakil O'Neal was on what's trending today? What is the doctor at him? Organizational leadership. Oh, legit.

Yeah. And he's just a smart dude, man. He's just a smart guy. And I have a PhD in organizational leadership. Yeah. What's wrong with him? It just sounds like something made to him. I have a fucking PhD.

So never mind. Great guy. Look at him. Yeah. He's a Christ. Do you have a PhD? It is impossible to take anything but a low angle photo. But you're like 6'1, right? 6'1. I'm not. He's a price. Do you have a fee? It is impossible to take anything but a low angle photo. But you're like 6'1, right?

6'2. I'm 6'2. You're 6'2 and he is a head above you. So he came on today and he was voting that he has a new YouTube channel. And he has. What? He does, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's a Shaq channel.

And then he also has a service that I'm going to knock it right now. I think it's called TOUTE. And it kind of sounded like a competitor to Vine. Which, I don't, I mean, I don't think it's a big market there. I don't know, Vine seems like it would be easy to compete with. Well, I thought Vine is owned by Twitter, right? Vine is owned by Twitter. Okay.

They don't seem to have like a really strong connection. They're like, not yet. But they are definitely owned by Twitter. I get an argument with somebody about it. Ashley does social media for IGN. So she was saying that Vine is not owned by Twitter. I was like, absolutely. What, that's not. it's gif not Jeff

yeah yeah we got to be the base do we go over that on the podcast I think we mentioned it I used to vine with the IGN staff she she posted a vine with them at a part superble party where they were all saying it's they all think it's pronounced gif I think technically it's a plus or you pronounce it you just sound like a dick when you say it that way. Yeah, you do. You also You sound like a dick when you make a vine at a Super Bowl party. Sorry actually. They are in Sorry, I know you. It's okay. You also sound like a dick when you argue about the pronunciation of a GIF. No, you don't. No, no, no. Because it's a word that people say. Why do you say that? It's an acronym. It stands for something.

What does it stand for? Yeah, what does stand for? Me all did. Who knows? Graphical interchange format. So, so graphical is a good, graphical gift. Yeah, he just said gift. So I know he's in the right. What's another word that if you pronounce correctly, you sound like a dickhead. I get a gain.

A gain? Isn't that how you pronounce it? No. I say a ghanced. A ghanced? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're just like a dick. Yeah, that's stupid. Yeah. I would aluminum is it like right at the top of my list. Aluminium. But either either pronunciation is correct. I get I don't think aluminum is correct. I think aluminum is just a bastard. Aluminium. Yeah. Aluminium. We had like swear, a half an hour I'll get about that on a podcast one time. Yeah. I remember that, because I didn't realize it was

spelled different. Yeah, you were coming at me and I was like, wait, if you'd have finished, I was like, spell, you, and I remember that. I remember that. Let me tell you how big, let me tell you how big Shack was, okay, or it is. I guess he still is somewhere in the world

right now that I think. But, you know, afterwards, I took a goofy picture with him backstage and and then Shirah said before they got off stage, she said, oh, let's take a picture with you because Shirah is a pretty small person, she's not actually this big. But she goes, she goes, I want to take a picture with you because my friend said we'd be ridiculous to use together because we're such different sizes. I'm sure everybody tells you in the world because he's the limiting the limiting factor in that picture and he goes he goes

Because you want to show how different weird size gives you that so he grabs her and lifts her up Without even like I mean she didn't know who's coming and he just lifts her up and she's I mean I don't know how much you wait, but she's a very small person can't wait that much a very thin lady But I mean it's a person and he just like lifts her up over his head. That was pretty amazing. I had no problem holding her there either. She's holding like a very flat stance. She was doing, you kind of have to, I mean she's kind of trapped there, right? She's going limp like a cat. Yeah, exactly. That's the ultimate way of getting into a fight or something,

just pick them up and hold them up your head. All right, there you go. Speaking of which, my grumpy cat was also here for South by South by Southwest. Grumpy cat, did you hear the lines were three hours in a line yet. I don't think so. No, there's photos. There's actually an animated gift of grumpy cat sitting. Huh? An animated gif? I got totally thrown out. And there's an animated gif of grumpy cat sitting there and like multiple people rotating out and taking pictures with them.

And it says, kill me. It looks like the saddest thing ever. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I got totally thrown out. It's an enemy that made a gif of grumpy cat sitting there and like multiple people rotating out and taking pictures with them and it says kill me. This looks like the saddest thing ever. It's like, you know, all these people making their best frowny faces next to grumpy cat and it's like that poor poor animal. I should take a picture with grumpy cat. No, no one should take a picture with grumpy cat.

There he goes. Second posting often, stop read it right now. This is kill me. I've probably been folded in there too. He's one of the guys. So really? Yeah. So it's like it's green screened. No, that's him. That's poor, poor grumpy cat. Poor tartar sauce. Is that your tartar sauce? I think that kind of is in the poor tartar sauce. Well, apparently the cat's name is Tard.

Yeah, I thought it was tartar sauce. Yeah, and then it became famous. So they're like, oh, it's not tartar sauce. It's tartar sauce. It's just short for tartar sauce, oh, it's not dude cat. She's also like this big. Yeah, she's real. Super tiny. Yeah. But yeah, I would not wait three hours to meet a cat. No, absolutely not. So Starcraft 2. Hard of a swarm comes out this week. What else comes out this week? I should know this got a war. Since city came out. Since city came out last week. Yeah, actually, you know what I Want to bring it up. I don't know why I brought it up

I mean, it's like it's like it's just a pain in the ass with all the DRM and all that stuff. I mean, are you playing some city? No I tried to I tried to I came up with the ultimate business new business. I own business, new business. I own a bunch of servers and I take them to every game release company for that initial burst of gamers and then I piss off to the next launch and I just go around with emergency servers like that. Because triage service? You have VK. Gavin's millions of servers service. So you would just show up with what? Well, nobody airship a zeppelin, what are you coming out of you arriving with? It's got a dirigible full of servers.

You're like a cable or something. A cable? That's OK. A long spool of cable. But companies don't want to buy enough service, because they're only going to need that many, right? I hate to break it to you. You can rent computing time.

You can totally do it. We rent servers for days E, for instance, for our community. Why don't you do it? One EA do that then. I'm sure they did. I'm sure there's other things. It's like internal bandwidth capacity issues. You don't know what the specific problem is.

From an outside perspective, it's like, oh, they just need more servers. Are we are talking about fucking Sim City? Yeah, you get it up! I'm trying to get off the island, but listen, it like okay, so a got a more ascension heart of this form A bunch of you'll see comes up this week when didn't wings of liberty come out hasn't been almost three years now Was it oh nine starcraft two? Oh, so was it ten? Yeah, was it that long ago? I'll look it up for you I'm I knew I think it's probably been almost three years

Wow, yeah, it was we were in the old office. So yeah, yeah, you're right. Jesus Christ. I think we were in the process of moving over here. Yeah, man, that's a long time ago. And then some DLC comes out this week, Awake in the new DLC for Dead's Face 3. BioShock Infinite is in two weeks. Next week.

Next week. Wait, no, no, infinite. Infinite, I think might be two weeks. You're right there. Isn't it like one of the busiest march? Yeah, yeah. Well, let's see if the thing was, I see me like this from now on. Yeah, well, the thing was a lot of games got pushed from

the fall into the spring. And so that's what like all these games are now waiting. Like, I still haven't played the Mass Effect 3 Citadel DLC. No, no, I bought it, but that came out last week. I still haven't even loaded it up. You did? I don't have it. I just try to hit you. That's a new word for you. All right, you want to take it over under here. Guess on when wings of liberty came out. Since you guys are both so interested. I'm going to say July 2010. I'm going to say October 2010.

You are correct July 27, 2010. The one does not forget things like that. It was during Comic Con. Why? Why? You can easily forget that. No, I was at Comic Con. I was like, I think it was the last Comic Con I've been to.

I was so upset that the game was coming out while I was there. Like, when you played Renewa, yeah. You were crushed. Is that why you don't go to Comic Con anymore? The neirone of your life is so stout. I can't take criticism from someone wearing a tie like that. I'm sorry. You're only my tie. Don't you have to fix your bicycle to go get on?

Yeah, I'm going to go get a sideways. Oh God, Jordan's turn to get on. Yeah, I'm really like that on the sideways. Oh God, Jordan's turn to go now. Oh man. Yeah, so I'm ready for a heart of the storm. I haven't even bought it yet. I guess I should buy it through battle net and maybe I'm preloaded. You've had a beta code for that forever from Bunkis. But it's not single player stuff.

It's just multiplayer. Uh-oh. Do you play multiplayer starcraft at all? I did when it first law time played in a while. Oh, show the whole, the whole wings of Liberty thing was the ended with that ended with a plot device I mean character that they're now showing in the trailer that I'm like what the fuck is this? I guess I didn't play wings of Liberty Yeah, so I don't understand that that happened in wings of Liberty

What the stuff with yeah the character? Yeah, we can spoil it. With Raynor rescuing Carigan, that was in Wings Delivert. I had to go back to play that then. You watch the Cinematics if you want. I should do that. The Cinematics are beautiful. That's internal, right?

That's not blurry. That's internal. Yeah, Blizzard is, I mean, the animation team in Blizzard is right up to me. It's up to Pixar. It's up there with Pixar. Yeah, it's JP. To me, do you mean those, those are he doesn't do cinematics though. Yeah, he does animation. Yeah, does animation. But the, yeah, all the cinematics for all the Blizzard games have always been like heading shoulders about everybody else in the business and that continues. I mean to the point where with collectors

editions of their games, they would include DVDs of the cinematics. And they should. So you could watch them. Yeah. Yeah. I think the best cinematics that I've ever seen in any game is the origin essentially the moment, the betrayal moment with Carrigan, because it happened in the first Starcraft and then they made a cinematic for it. It happened in game in the first Starcraft and they made a cinematic for it in the second Starcraft game.

And it's fucking amazing. It's real. Jen Taylor, right, is the voice of Carrigan. Is she? I believe she is. Man, she does everything. Jen Taylor is, she plays Cortana. No, it wasn't. Oh, it's just a health. It's just a health for you. You all right. Damn. It's just a health for them. Did you hear the sound of like that? Carragon. That's right. Yeah. No, disagree. I have a hard time like I I don't For by the way is also played number six

Battle for like she's the she was the silent and battle so she's a super hot one the blonde one who only guys saw in season one only guys. Yeah Guys, yes, I can't Confused guys Almost drink coffee. Yeah, that's that's our that's our coffee from the livestream. We done Friday That would have been that good. That was fun. Yeah, that was cool, man Richard Gary was here. So for people listening to the audio version of this podcast, we're gonna have highlights from that Live stream of Richard Gary at the end of this week's podcast audio highlights. Yeah audio highlights. Oh, very cool. So we cut together some of the high points. I was so excited by that I mean if you've ever listened to the podcast before,

I said this on the live stream that we did. I've talked about Richard Gare before. I mean, I'm the ultimate games. That is easily the biggest influence on me getting involved in, I guess, home gaming is the way to say it. I played arcade games, but there wasn't besides like a Tari, then definitely there was nothing on PC at the time. The ultimate series, what got me into home gaming. Like a serious home gaming.

It was just like, it was incredible. And it was great to be able to sit down with him and talk about all that stuff and it was awesome. Yes, you're Gary, that's like my, my, my John Romero and Carmack, like Doom and Id Software. Actually, Romero gave a speech, he did a panel at South by Interactive, it was like the making of Doom. And I'm like, of course, I hear about it afterwards.

I'm like, I would have killed the gun to that thing. Go to that thing. Romero is an interesting story too, because then he would often started Ion Storm. And then what's he doing now? He's still making it. I think is he back at it? No, no, Carmax still at it.

Yeah, Carmax at it. Carmax also, like Richard Garrett, it heavily involved in space. They're in private space. Armadillo space. Armadillo aerospace. But like they didn't win the X prize to get into. To be the first. Orbit.

But they did win an X prize later. There was a later one. It was like the lift off and touchdown, right? I want to say they, I want to say they landed something on the moon. Like it was a little. No, I don't think so. Wasn't that?

No. Maybe it was a landing thing. Maybe it was because I'm looking up. I think Jack's right. Yeah. that no, maybe it was a landing thing. Mayors confused. I think jack's right Yeah, there's something about like like basically taking off hovering for a certain amount of time and then the landing like vertically landing and Like the first group that could do that multiple times within a certain span would get another x-price Wow, and so that's pretty cool

They they tied with somebody else if I recall correctly because isn't yeah, is it Elon Elon Musk? Is that a name isn't he working with Carmack? Well, he owns SpaceX. Oh, he owns SpaceX. Yeah, he started SpaceX. Oh, OK. Well, there you go. They just opened a Tesla dealership in Austin.

Yeah, I saw that in the domain. Open the domain. Yeah. And they have a service center upon Burnett. How do you say that, Road? Burnett. Burnett. Burnett? Yeah. Like Carol. That's the stupid one of the stupid things

about Austin is that we have so many streets that are just pronounced completely incorrectly. Like what? Or streets that are different depending on where you are on them. Yeah there's a lot of just of pronounced incorrectly. Like the word M-A-N-O-R is a word. It says manner. That's how you say it. We don't say manner row. We say main or row. You you live right by me in a road. What is it someone's name? Probably probably yeah Five minute even mule the Mueller developments like that supposed to be Miller No, yeah, I'm pretty sure Mueller's supposed to pronounce Miller

Well, why would we be so M.U.E. L LER? Or maybe it was supposed to be Miller and it's been butchered to Mueller somehow. But you just said. And that's what I'm agreeing with you. It's more rude to assume someone knows you than to reintroduce yourself. What's the way we have Manchak, which is spelled minchaka, or Manchaka?

That's the biggest one. But then the city is, like, then there's something like, there's a person named Minchaka, like, M-E-N, instead of man, anyway. That's, and what we're getting about as local as you can get on this podcast What's that about coaching I get a lot of old joke. Let's talk about it. Any read I think right? Right Jordan shot up Jack. God. We're trying to move on over here. I'm trying my coaching jeans over here. Yeah, shut up

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Yeah, I could imagine going to one of those, there was leech photos of that new Samsung Galaxy out today. The things like this big, it's enormous. It looks like I've got a table. I'm going to take it into with those tablet phones, in some of the way it's just. Oh, the tab, where would you go?

Into a pocket, just, they must just fill a pocket with some sort of molding material, pull it out and then make a fun of that shape. Yeah, but there's some people with skinny jeans like you, you can't fit that shit in skinny jeans. I'm doing laundry, these are the only jeans I have to. Oh, the fact that you still own those jeans.

Are these the ones you bought online? These are the ones I bought when I was drunk by accident. How do you accidentally buy jeans? I accidentally got skinny jeans. Do you know how skinny they were? It's easy to do. Do you know how a whole skinny jeans? It's easy to do if you don't know when you buy something online.

What did I buy that was so ridiculous? Forget it wasn't out. It was completely off scale when we got it in. What the fuck was it? Was it the cat's umbrella? No. It was really like a normal umbrella. That was really small, though.

No, I don't know what it was. It was shelves for the bathroom in here. It was this big the bathroom in here. It was this big set of shelves. And when Amazon delivered it, it was like this big. I just, there was no scale associated with it. Do they have it like in a real estate? It really is.

But it was just a mini chiller like jewelry box. Oh, that's what I bought. So I bought, I bought, maybe we have some from the extort service kingdom. So we were buying silverware. I don't remember this. And I think either Kara or Jen had already ordered them. And I said, oh no, I ordered them to heck. I just replaced it order we had before.

And somehow I bought Forks, knives, and like little ice cream spoons. They were that big. and like little ice cream spoons everything. They were that big, so our spoons were just these little tiny little pastry. Did you eat with them? I did that. It would take forever. You're not trying to eat like soup with it? You're like, oh my god.

Because the person in joy is trying to play it off of Evon. So you order all the sounds, and it's a good one. Perfect. Delicious. She gets you order the wrong size music up perfect delicious I hear it dire like jar of yogurt with a little little thing of yogurt with it took me four hours You're spoon in a knife they would suck if they were small but I think a fork Works at any scale. That's what any scale. I would disagree with that. Yeah, but it's like little prongs What was giant you don't

You said that he's good point what if you had enormous pitch for it would just be like spirit wouldn't it? Stay I want to take you out give you a pitch fork and a steak knife and take you to a dinner a nice restaurant Oh fork and a steak knife and take you to a dinner, a nice restaurant. I'm pretty happy with the challenge. Oh, I forgot the free one. Ah, there they are. You can see, like, how, like, this is normal-sized spoon here. A whole depth of the camera. This is normal-sized spoon.

Spoon and that's a spot. Spoon and that's a spot. Spoon and that's a spot. Spoon. I'm not a quarter of the size for those. I'm a big size. I'm a big size. These are totally fine.

So, imagine this on Amazon. It's like, I'll put it over here in the black. It's just free standing by itself. I was like, I just boon. That's not a dirty trick. And then these things are like, we got 2,000 of these things. 2,000. It looks exactly like this one.

That's perfect for a little thing of yogurt. I don't know what it's for, but I think they're coffee stirers is what they are. But you have to be a layman. Yeah, he's done the tips. You're thinking, isn't he? He's like, what's that? Just the tips, though.

Yeah, and that's all. Nobody deal. But I had a very gush moment today when I bought my iPhone 5. And I wonder what we're seeing. When iPhone 5 came out, I said I was going to upgrade, because this is the most used device I have. I mean, I use this thing constantly all day. I always call it like a Star Trek device.

It is amazing. I think it's worth the money to upgrade it just for like whatever small feature they add to it. It could I use it so much and it'll like save me so much time in my life. It's actually worth it. But I didn't upgrade to the 5 when it first came out because I had a perfectly fine working iPhone 4 and I knew at some point I was gonna fucking drop it and break it and I thought it was gonna be like the next like two months or three months it actually ended up being like six or seven months and sure enough I always convince you if I stopped and just bought an iPhone 5 I would drop the

phone that day and break my brand new iPhone 5. That's ridiculous. It's not ridiculous. It's totally legitimate. I can't broke my phone. I'm just gonna stand on the ridiculous. It's not ridiculous, it's totally legitimate. I don't understand the argument. It's absolutely ridiculous. I'm with Gavin on this one. What? Why? Because you're gonna break it anyway.

But I had the drop. I had the careless drop. The fact that you've just bought that doesn't mean you're not gonna break that. You could drop it tonight. Yeah, exactly. I'm less likely to break it. What you mean?

What you mean? What you talking about? Because I had my careless moment of, oh shit, I dropped a boom. No, no, no, no, but it's a random act. It's just because it doesn't reset. Is that why you have two children? What do you mean? What do you talk about? Because I had my careless moment of, oh shit, I dropped a balloon. No, no, but it's a random act. It just because it doesn't reset. Is that why we have two children? What's that?

No, no, no, no. Jesus. I'm not actively trying to drop your phone. No, I didn't actively. So I got a last week guy, I dropped a guy, I said, then I realized I had Apple care on it, which could have replaced the screen. So I went into the Apple store, said,

what your place is green, and they were like, no, your Apple warranty doesn't cover this. And I was still like, yes, yes, what's wrong with it? So how much is it to replace the glass on it? And it was like $199 to replace the glass on the iPhone 4 that I broke or it was 400 by the phone. So I said I'm just going to buy the phone for 400 because then it's like I felt like in my mind that consumer math I'm like paying $200 million to the phone.

And so I did that and I got it. And then he goes, cool, he goes, he goes, well here, let me take it and I'll check your serial number on it. And he did something with it. And he, this goes, well here, let me take it and I'll check your serial number on it and he did something with it. And this is actually on my iPhone 4. He was doing this to check the warranty. So he took the iPhone 4, I gave it to him, and I unlocked the hand it to him.

And he went to go check it. And then I had that moment where I didn't have anything to do. So I went to reach my phone, and then he got it and I went to reach it, I go, oh. And then I just sat there in the Apple store like this You don't know what to do with your hands if there's not an iPhone in it It's like when you pull the hard drive out of the computer that's on it. It's just like I love it the second you gave it to him. You went to reach for your phone

Like really like reflex. It's like that's what I do when I'm by myself in like a public situation I have nothing to do worse I'm gonna check something and I, so I literally was like, and then from his alley, I turned like 90 years and looked at his shell open. Like, you don't know what to do with your buddy now. No, I didn't do it with my cell. What happens to me a lot is I'll be on my mobile phone,

un-hold, and I'm like, God is boring. Where's my phone? And I like start reaching my pocket for it to do some like, oh wait, yeah, I'm on hold. I was talking about that, like before we started the podcast, I was FaceTiming with someone one time and I was like, oh shit, where's my phone? And I literally was FaceTiming, holding it in my hand.

It's like, well you were looking for your phone. I was looking for my phone. Did you say that out loud in the person on the other end was like, I think I like, I thought it to myself that I looked and I was like, oh, fucking, that I didn't like it. So, kind of when I was dumb things, when I was dumb moments. That's happened to me.

Do you know what? Well, you're not worried that he would look through your stuff. Like, when you took the phone, did he go, whoa, I don't continue to go. Maybe looking and go, nicer. What? Yeah, congratulations. We're a branded elbow to woman in the face

because she took his phone. Yeah, remember that? And then back on my car. He elbowed a woman, like, she was looking through his phone. I never even let go. And he went, oh, and re-forwarded, like he would and re-port like pop it right in the scramble Did he actually go straight? I don't know it was behind me. I just heard a She's a scramble. I'm sure he's true

But only Gavin would purposely punch someone in the face. Yeah, oh sorry Boy, you got punched in the face. Yeah, I was filming Gavin. We were all out downtown And I was filming him like this. I was leaning against the wall and he's doing this with his hand And then he just He waves me right in the face, but he misses my phone and just hits my nose So the whole video is me going ah the phone dropping and you laughing. Do we have to put that up? Nope, no, we should who should so I noticed you on the on the video that we just played which will be in the link dump They're gonna put that hopefully in there. I saw Michael and Lindsay in there

I did not see them at the party the entire night. They showed up a little late. Oh did they yeah, yeah, I totally I totally missed them But that's that's the end of that story I loop back for literally nothing. It's funny that the party. It's crazy how many people work here now Like I sat down on what's not like geez like it like there's so many people that work for Rooster T-Thounds. I was like, wow, look at all these animators. I've never met before, really. And I've seen them, but I've never really talked to them. I don't know if you saw them.

I actually pulled into an introduction. About 10 minutes after we started the live stream, they all came in here and started eating our sandwiches that are over there. We have food for the crew who works here lately. Those are good sandwiches, man. Bernie hates them. And I like, there was like a line of animators

who came in and started going through the sandwich just very silently and then walked right out. Like the vulture. works your ladies. Those are good sandwiches, man. Bernie hates them. And I like, there was like a line of the same animation. And I made a few key minutes going through the sandwich, which is very silently, and then walked right out. Like the voltage. Do you remember the time you made Tortillas Soup? And you said, come on over next door for Tortillas Soup. And about nine minutes, it was all gone.

Yeah, it was when we first opened the anix, which is where we filmed the podcast. And I was like, oh, I'll make Tortillas Soup, because some people have like made the sacrifice of moving over the anix. And it was kind of debatable Who is going to be over here and who wasn't over here? So I thought we'll have a little house or a party for the annex and I'll make tortilla soup and then I just posted to the everyone list

Hey come over and get some tortilla soup. They fucking showed up like I think Kathleen came over like Nine and a half minutes after you sent that email. Yeah, she's mad at me I was like I didn't't even think of it. What is in that? What's in it? In tortilla soup. It's like chicken soup. It's chicken broth soup.

And then you actually just throw in like tortillas at the end. And there's like corn and other ingredients. And it's like cereal kind of in a way. Like eat it before it goes completely soggy. But it doesn't matter. No, for me. Is that grocery well? Gavin hates soggy, man.

Anything soggy. What about a vagina. Is that grossy well? Gavin hates so I think sogy man anything sogy Nothing that is What would you ever just grab a vagina? I was trying to come up with something that he would say yeah, but nothing that is hard Nothing that is hard normally is ever better sogy. It's like a dick So like a dick Oh, listen to Gavin poor fucking Gavin why are we talking about genitals? No, I mean there's not his genitals So obviously it's not relevant but name something that is usually hard and when it's so gay is okay And I can't wait for something hold on a second

You can't come up with it you can't come up with it you can say like three does and a free opai as they've been like in a sitting there for a while. That's pretty good. Yeah, it's actually pretty tasty. You think most of the country or the world knows what a Freedopai is? I didn't know what it was. Yeah, basically what they do is they're served at like high school football game in Texas basically. They basically take a bag of Freedos and they cut the side of it open. So it's long, you're holding it long ways, and then they just dump chili, and then cheese and onions in there, and they mix it up, and it's probably the best thing

that's ever been created in any kitchen. It is amazing. That was one of the first things you made me when I moved here, when I was staying at your house, you were like, can you wanna free a pie on this? Like, how is that? Is that the only thing you know how to cook?

No, I can cook. Yeah, what's everything to cook? Like probably, I like cooking ribs. It's fun to do, it's a grill. I'm gonna make spaghetti, make pretty good spaghetti. So, I don't cook very often, but, you know. But when I do spaghetti, I get it. That's like these.

So many sweet and succumbed-based, Steve that we're talking about on the podcast. No. And he's coming back, what podcast, what are they saying about me? Really nice guy, he was awesome. No, he was cool, it was kind of like, I seriously love that he's embraced that,

you know, like he's like, that's his thing is like, all right, mine I'm going to roll with it, you know, like some people get all pissed off and like, you know, some like that were to happen. Well, if you're a meme, you're only a meme because you're very lucky, right? See what's on note that. Yeah, I think you look brine sight to be. But you can't cry. He's totally getting laid for it. He's posed with his own picture. You can't try and be a meme. It's like, you can't try and force totally getting laid for it. He's posed with his own picture You can't try and be a meme. It's like you can't try and fool something to be by the Over-attached girlfriend was basically that she invented that character. I don't know what that is really over-attached girlfriend She stares. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Barb. We're gonna go barb doing that. No country

You're teeth are kind of creepy. She barb you're too. She's so white. Oh You don't know what overly attached girlfriend is. How do you sit next to Ray all day? I don't know what that is. Though, oh, he's not that Ray has no really attached to her. Yeah, there he goes. She's a, yeah, she's from Dallas, actually. I've never seen that in my life.

You've never seen her in your life. You're on the internet. Like all the time. I don't know. I don't go and read it. By the way, since he's come up and he's tweeting about people tweeting him, if you guys want to follow Skumbags, Steve, he is at Blake Boston 617, B-L-A-K-E Boston.

Did I ever tell you how? 617. On his website, Simon and Rep. He heard for a second. He has the story about the picture and the history of it. I guess he was taking it as like 15 or 16. And on his website, he writes that his mom took the picture and when she first saw the scumbags team meme that she cried about it. Oh, in a happy way. Nice. Okay, where were you to say Barbara? Remember

a couple podcasts ago where you're talking about Brian Bunkleman. Yes. He has hardly any... Easy. Go ahead. Move along. Is he regular? He's not very big in social media, as I would think he would be. Said lightly. I let it when people had like, hit Tony the word.

Right. Well, how many followers do you say that? I don't remember, but... I'm sure you do. Apparently, he got a whole lot from our podcast. And he was like, what is this Ruchitith podcast Teeth podcast and then people were I guess tweeting back at him saying that there was someone named Dunkelman on this podcast and then he started following me and I'm following him and it's like we have this dialogue every

now and then it's not just disgusting. I have a huge stimulating conversation here. I've had a few issues insulting his phone. My Twitter is Jack underscore P and I have people who will write Jack P and every now and then he'll respond I'd be like I think you're talking to the wrong Jack and like you'll get back and forth I think I actually works with Microsoft too or really detect guys like that I've looked at variations of my name and people just like tweet these brand and people about stuff Yeah, and I'm just I feel bad for them. It's like what the fuck are these people talking about?

Maybe that's what's happening to me when I don't understand what the hell people are saying on Twitter Oh, maybe there's meaning to talk to somebody else. That's interesting. Never thought about it. Like the other like B-E-R-N-I-E. Have you ever looked on Facebook to see if there's any other Bernie Burns? Yeah, remember, the only reason I have a Facebook account is because so many of the community made a Facebook account for me. It was faking my Facebook account for I found out two and a half years and was like talking to my high school friends and stuff like that and business Little creepy partner and business partners right there with friends business partners, right? That's dangerous

That was fucking shitty dude. Yeah, that's frightening. Really shitty the and the way I found out about it was They just heard about it on Xbox live that somebody made friends with me on on the on Facebook I have Facebook count they go. Oh, well, they're posting a little you know You're all your journals from research to being posted up there as their updates. Yeah, I had like your high school on it and all your work information. People have a high school with you guys, kind of sucked. That's not cool.

It's weird, who in the right mind does that and thinks like, oh, this is a good idea. No one in their right mind. Yeah, it does that. I don't understand a logic behind that, like sort of assuming someone's life. You're kept. That's very no logic there

Man, so are you excited about North Korea blowing up the world? Oh, I just ignore there So I talked about what was on the podcast two three weeks ago Some like that and since then shit's gotten real has it. Yeah, it's still exactly the same. They know that shit has not gotten real No, it's not the real words. It's that's crazy always on alert. No, no They don't have the situation has not they no, they've cut off direct communication. They cut a phone line. What was your brain? Was breaking an agreement? They've had for 60 years. They just had to pay the bill.

Not a big deal. No, it's not like 18 T shut off their phone service. They actively said we're no longer speaking to you. And like, and they they said, this is a petulant child wanting attention. What the new fucking ignore. They have a new go cares. We have like five thousand. That's the thing. Oh, it's a five year old.

The chain saw just whatever. He'll be fine. I've got more chainsaw in a five year old. I'm just talking about this. It's like a year old. Eventually all science or all technology is going to proliferate to the point where some just assholes have it. But is it wrong that I'm not worried?

There's so many people everywhere that I feel like I probably wouldn't die. No, so it's fine. Don be worried. Don't be worried about it I'm worrying like if if nukes just came flinging at America. Go ahead. I wouldn't get hit You're not gonna catch one I just don't want landing on it. I just think odds are I won't die Yeah, but you had considered the fact Gavin with your very limited skill set You don't want to live in a post-apocalyptic environment at any level that is true How long does it take for radiation from a new to

kill you depends on clothes you are yeah it depends on your exposure depends on a lot of things okay so I see the mushroom cloud on the horizon better head out is that too right look at the time I just see reflection of the John explosion hopefully it's not too bright and you don't get killed by the brightness. I mean, could you leave? Why would you evacuate before the explosion? I mean, is that the indication that there's a nuclear war going on when you see an explosion? Why would it, what do you mean? What would it be? What do you see? You bugger out then. It's like, why would you like, you should evacuate at a random days in case a nuclear explosion is going to come? Is that the way it's going to work for you? No, I'm saying once you see the mushroom cloud.

Well, the mushroom cloud is the explosion. I mean, why would you- What I'm saying? Why would you leave before that? I didn't say leave before that. You're crazy. No, you're saying it's a duet. There's no other time to leave.

You can't leave until the fucking bomb goes off. May I say if you see it on the horizon, is it too late? It's in- Like, are you dead already? It's the radiation from that, which I imagine moves faster than I can get out of there like light, isn't it? Radiation Rhinish in my boss or dream the speed of Gavin and

I think it gets blown by the wind like like it's was abble like a radioactive dust and it's actually stuff. Yeah, I'm good then. Can you get out run dust? Gavin free faster than dust. Dust is lazy. Dust is lazy. All right, it's time for Gavin or Google. All right, we're going to play our game.

Gavin or Google. Do you know how this works? I don't know how this I will explain it to you. Okay. All right. Here's what we're gonna do Here's what we're gonna do because Gavin asked the stupidest things on the planet clearly And I also got excited or we're always laugh at how Google would auto complete my searches Yeah, there's something ridiculously stupid that everyone on Google has apparently searched for enough that the Google Google thinks this is a normal question. Okay, yeah. So what I do is I take a short phrase beginning of a like a question essentially and I give it to Gavin. He comes up with a question to complete the phrase.

I also then punch it into Google. It can auto-complete for me. I picked the most ridiculous query there and then you guys try to figure out who said this Gavin or Google. Are you guys ready to play? That's played I'm ready. We have theme song Gavin or Google Google or Gavin which one said it? Let's find out. Hey, I'm feeling lucky Not gonna go on better

Okay, that couldn't have gone better Oh my god This week Gabin or Google Google Gavin which one said it let's find out hey, I'm feeling lucky. There we go. That's the money stuff. All right. Okay. All right. First up. First up. The phrase that I gave to both Gavin and Google was what is the most? What is the most? Are you going for like the week martin Dale hosting style? No, no. I know. I know very stuff. Are any of these user submitted or do you come up with these? No, I came up with these. Okay, okay. But the users have been great and they have been submitting what are they hashtag?

What is it? The governor Google governor Google hashtag Gavin or Google Google or Gavin or Gavin Google? All right, okay, what is the most and here's what here's the two here's the two? Here's the two I mean give me two oh, so one is Gavin one is Google one is Good Wow, I thought it was I think it was one and we say whether or not I do Introduce yourself to people so they can phrase most what is the most

one said what is the most expensive pet And the other ask what is the most boring job in the world? God, you want to go first? Which one is Google? The most expensive pet is Gavin. And then so the most boring job is Google. Of course. We got I will say expensive pet is Google. Okay, yeah, I'm gonna say expensive pet is Google and boring job is Gavin. Gosh, you are correct. Gavin wants to know what the world's most expensive pet place. What was it?

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We got to look it up later. We got to look it up later. We got to look it up later. We got to look it up later. We got to look it up later. all right, we'll learn something. All right, so the next phrase that I gave to both Gavin and Google is, what happens when astronauts? And you have to, if you have to complete that, what happens when astronauts? All right, what happens when astronauts? One of them said, what happens when astronauts fart? The other said, what happens when astronauts think that they're upside down?

See, I want to say Fart, because that seems like Gavin. It seems like his brand of humor. But what what happens when astronauts are upside down? White line cups $138,000. White line, it's our $138,000. White line cups $138,000. White line cups $138,000. White line cups $138,000. White line cups $138,000. White line cups $138,000. White line cups $138,000. White line cups $138,000. White line cups $138,000.

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There's a tiebreaker. Oh, I don't know. No, no, no, we've only three questions. So there should be a guy you're mathematically impossible. You're mathematically living. So what do you think happens when astronauts sink their upside down? Well, like You know when you wake up. No, no shut up shut up No, but like you know when Sometimes you wake up and you don't remember what room you're in Facing it takes a little bit time It takes a little bit time. Which way you're facing!

Shut up! Okay, go on. But, if an astronaut is... If their eyes are closed... Give your... Don't stop, please. How do you know what way up there?

No, the question... You said when I I was gonna ask about things are upside down. Yeah, that's not the same No If he thinks he's upside down Like the fridge would be upside down, wouldn't it? Yes It's all relative. Okay. Okay. All right relative to one point, but what's the point the final? Adding the final phrase for Gavin or Google is has there ever been Has there ever been one of these was said by a person we know like in person we live our lives the next to this person The other was asked by so many people that actually showed up as a query on Google all right Has there ever been a real life zombie?

That's the first one. And the other one is, has there ever been two of the same person? What's my turn to go first? Shit. I'm going to say two of the same person is Gavin. I'm going to say the same person is Gavin. Oh, sorry, Google. Gosh, you were now one-for-one lifetime across Gavin or Google. You win this week. Yeah. Gavin Wando, if there's ever been two of the same person, whoever.

Well, Julie, do you think there's ever been two of the same person? Well, surely, guess the point where someone is so genetically close to someone else. But you have to say that the same. So you're saying, has there ever been two people who are genetically identical? Yeah. You know, like twins. Oh, no. Well, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said

that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said

that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that, you said that But if genetically identical doesn't actually mean identical, then what else is an identical? I don't know. Maybe one of them circumcised in the other isn't. Yeah, just get out here. Oh my god. Can you pass me a piece? Yeah, can we get another one for Barbara as well? Oh my god. But think about the other one. So many people have wanted to know if there's ever been a real-life zombie. I mean, how many of you have detected in a Google before that actually shows up? Then again, that's a similar thing. What do you define as a zombie? Do you find it somebody

who died but is still alive? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no You can have someone you can have somebody's died, but that's still on

I was in a tank the definition of But you can be you can be powered on you mean like brain dead Like we can a burnies what you're trying to say yeah, yes We're from the what's the concept of brain? But yeah, but yeah, but what point is the zombie is on me? I think the concept of the concept of a zombie as people traditional think of it is someone who has died and then comes back What is it animated it's a dead thing that came back to life right? What's the closest case to a zombie that's ever happened? It's a dead thing that came back to life right what's the closest case to a zombie that's ever happened Jesus Christ

That must have been someone no not not Jesus Christ he was resurrected That's a part of that partial decapitation you talked about I mean I guess to close you have say like what you're basically asking What's the longest anything's ever been dead he died and get resuscitated yeah, I said you were dead for five minutes And you come back you're not undeadead. No, you're alive. You're alive You're really real. The point is a zombie is a fictional thing. It's clearly a fictional based on a human body Which is a real thing? It's just like Star Wars. It's fiction which is based on space Yeah, what if the star destroyer was upside down at the beginning of Star Wars? I'm really totally on.

Don't be excited. This is not right. My eyes are closed. My memories are the ones that aren't based on real things anyway. They don't even have letters in them. They just have the vibrations. When you pick it up, that's the thoughts. They just feelings.

It's just a thing. No, no, no, go ahead. No, go ahead. But you pick it up. It just starts. It just feelings Okay, no, no, no, go ahead. No, go ahead. Back to the two person thing. Okay. Is that like how many fingers are on a for start? Fingers are on one seven billion times ten. Yeah, I said many times to well tenish. Yeah sure on average According to Google right so chances are that two of those figures would have the same fingerprint Yeah, I mean I get probably way more Yeah, well in the fact that I mean the snowflake things just a bunch of shit I mean it's like it's there's so many of these things. Yes, there's something gonna be exactly the same

Yes, yes, you look so good you down So it's a point out those ants with the brain controlling fungus. I think it's those parasites. The cordiseps fungus. I don't know. Which by the way someone told me has now infected something else. It's like crossed over to another species. There's one for every species.

Oh, is there? What's the human one again? I forget. AIDS. It's fast. So it was the zombie and Like there's the fungus and then there's also the one that the oatmeal did the comic about where it's got like the Parasitic larva and it's brain that controls it makes it act like a real ant then makes the ant

Try to get eaten by a cow so it can start over. Oh, no crow like it goes up a blade of grass. Right. Go through birds, right? I thought it was cows Okay, I mean you can argue that mad cow whatever that is that is also like that kind of like is that parasite Right goes to birds right I thought it was cows. Okay I mean you can argue that mad cow whatever that is that is also like that kind of like is that parasite Yeah, it's a five-eighths of like I don't know if he's a fungus I think mad cow was like a crooked protein is what it is. Yeah, it's like a defect in spinal fluid I believe is that there's a parasite in some water insect that it just affects the part of the brain that controls It's fear for the bird that eats it and it just makes it not afraid. Huh.

That's why you hit birds every now and then in your car, it's like they don't, they don't fly. I bird, you know what I just said, I could have bird hit my car the other day. Like I was in my driveway just sitting there and a bird would bump and hit it. And I was at the gym the other day. Apparently birds are really dusty. I didn't know this. Yeah, they hit the window and they leave the prints. They leave a perfect bird print when they hit the window. They go through there and think about how much dust they're picking up just by falling.

They're just radiation. Yeah, just to get them to shit. It's you like, you clear bomb hits? Stay away from birds. That's right. There you go. The little one hit you. But we were at the gym and heard a thump and I saw a perfect like pigeon sized imprint on the window like

this dust print and then we saw something else big go by and one of the guys who'd watched the whole thing go down there was like a bird of prey chasing this pigeon and the pigeon fucking bad luck pigeon bam right in the window fell down the hawk was like okay and carried him off like the pigeon knocked itself out and the hawk just carried it away and ate it Oh, yeah, you know actually he was thinking about it. He's thinking about it It's probably way better off because the pigeon had no fucking glue. It happened It's a thing more shocking than walking into a window that you can't see

Like there's anything that makes you recall with such does that happen? You frequently? No, I mean I've never done it. I bet I see it along the internet. Yeah Those videos are funny. There's also weird videos of people who are always the same. People run with their head. People are running with the head is the front thing. They never kick it. It's always like face first. That's how you move. You throw your body weight forward.

You topple yourself and just your legs move out to catch up. The other ones I've seen videos of people who just don't seem to understand what a revolving door or an automatic door are. They just have never seen it before. The other ones too, I've seen videos of people who just don't seem to understand what are evolving door or an automatic door are. They just have never seen it before. Have you ever seen the guy runs through the automatic door? He waits for it to slide and then he runs full speed. There's this video of the glass.

There's four glass doors like this and two of them open up on top of the other glass doors. And this is Lady who comes as they're opening and she stops and then moves over to the side of one of the windows. And as it's closing, she tries to walk through it thinking that the two little glass canals and she just goes, don't, and falls right back. She's genius. He's even working with the fucking shatters of glass too and they're like, lay in there

and like, shatter your glass. That's even better. What's more embarrassing, having someone see you walk into glass and be fine and then leave or shattering it. Be fine. Because in your hurt. Probably shattery is more embarrassing because then like you'd feel obligated to stand around and be like yeah, I'm responsible. It was a matter of time.

Yeah, I had to wait until clean that up. I didn't mean to do this. I watched a guy walk into a pole. I was out getting some lunch somewhere and there was a bunch of us on the street and I was walking. No, no, I took a bag. It was in Vegas. and there was a bunch of some the street and i was walking on the bank of the biggest and uh... it was a check in his twitter whatever and there was a little like poll those up right about crotch level you walk right into it

and it was uh... joe and i were watching those like uh... yep totally by the way i just want to clear this up gavin totally wrong you helped the girl if she falls down yet always help the girl what she falls down. Yeah, what always helped the girl What is after our Oscar discussion? Yes, Gavin said you would have let Jennifer Laurence lay there. Oh, you're a good idiot Cuz he's got a better job. We're attention to it. Jesus actually after we had this discussion Something happened. I was in the kitchen

Chris and Brandon and Matt our CEO of having place our We have footage of it. Yeah, I know we do. No, we have it cute up and ready. Right. I know. So Holly, Holly, the female in this clip is Holly. She's our new PHP developer and we're on the kitchen and she's Oh my god. This is beautiful. It's a dirty footage. Oh my god. This is amazing. So here comes Holly. All right. Walking through the door. App is the beat and she goes. I'm walking away and then she gets wham and she eats it Brandon and Chris don't even uncross their arms. I didn't know that Matt made that big a move to help I reached let me just have zero reaction. I mean wow So Holly walked in the door she walked like from the kitchen to the hallway transition and she slipped and fell

But she did that exact thing. Brandon says his reaction was laughing But holy did the exact thing that I was expecting to do just let immediately get up and keep going just be like Well, I said, yeah, but what if like in the Oscars? It's everyone swarmed. Oh my god. I'd be like all right I felt what if the Oscars case she's wearing a giant gown and you don't know if she can actually get back up. I probably do No, we got to replay here In the Bernie it looks like you look yeah, it's like you put a banana skin Well, you should have looked at me to fall down What did you slip on Holly? It was raining outside

I don't know what it was Did you get Holly on the camera? Did we have that stuff? Yeah, Holly, you want to jump on the... What do you like to make your hot seat over there? Let us know how you felt as someone who was helpless and fell over. It'll take a few seconds to... Yeah, but I gotta say too, there's cutting the clip off here. This is security camera footage, by the way.

We'll put it in the link dump but brana and chris and i'm over by the by now the sink and i go how come nobody helped her get up and i guys and brandy goes brandy still without uncrossing his arms he he looks at me and then he looks up at the security camera he goes

hey you think we got a clear shot of that he might have really went to not only don't help her all of what always bring a green shirt in front of a green screen? But that it goes that it goes to him like I can collect footage of this and use it What are the chances? And of course that we showed it so we can't All right now we're getting away out of control here

Holly also tripped today on her blanket in the office I told her I told her I wouldn't tell anybody but I just told everyone You just told everyone that this is the opposite of telling nobody Is like telling someone on the pod What is it like so Barbara has like this giant blanket? She has in the office and she's like oh, I'm from Canada You used to be in gold any of the new people could back me up on this Emily the new storm Andrew came in And she's like man, it's cold in your head

But the thing is you guys turn up the AC and we are burning like we are super hot over the achievement Oh, she's got a floating collar. That's pretty cool looking. So Holly, do you wish someone had been more on the ball and helped you get up? You weren't just like man there's three dudes all around me and no one's helping me right now. You didn't immediately think like man that I thought a lot. You did it. You didn't immediately think like, man, that Brandon is a dick. Well, we have a problem with her mic audio. So sorry, Holly. You'll have to defend yourself some other time.

Maybe it's actually Brandon. Yeah, sure. We have a problem with the audio suddenly. As a quick recap, she said she just got up and left. And I'm in fact, we're all office. She didn't seem to have too much of a problem with it. She also claims she falls a lot, too. She did. Yeah, that's unrecorded by the way. The mic did work. She falls a lot. Yeah. So any bruises start popping up, we know it's you know. Falling. It seems like we have been running low on liquor lately. Yeah. There's always been drinking it. Yeah. That's true. We have more employees now.

So. No, it's true. Okay. So rather no, it's what we got to talk about this week. Does anything else happen? I think we covered all. I can't believe we were worried about North Korea. Dude, they've cut communications before. Never like this. No, they have. How?

How is what's different about the day? They don't tell me apparently. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Jack is a North Korea analyst apparently. No, I'm sorry. Please tell me what is different. What is different is what I'm fucking asking you. They broke the contract that I had with South Korea

The armistice it happens this it happened before never has it happened 60 years I'm gonna be a happy four times the last decade they've done that yeah I think so and they cut the phone line 10 years ago in 2003 now fuck that it has happened Not here is an argument. All right. I made here's an argument that could be made Gus is that Kim Jong-il was a fucking lunatic and was always like rattling a saber and all that stuff. But he never did anything. This is the first time they've done it under a new leader who might actually go through

with something. My thought, my rationale, and the reason I'm not worried is this. The people who are in power in North Korea will continue to remain in power if they maintain the status quo. If they launch a nuke and start killing people, they will lose everything they have. This was the argument with Saddam as well. Okay, but what about it?

Yes. Saddam's not gonna do anything because he's in power in his country, he's fine. Right, they're happy, they are suppressing the people. What's going on there is atrocious and horrible and something should be done about it, but they will not instigate any conflict because they wanna maintain their power.

But what happens if they are still in power, yes, but their country is on the verge of collapsing and so they're seeing there's they're watching That's definitely not difference in the last 10 years What I mean like I mean there's like like they're saying like like millions of died due to like starvation That's been going on that's exactly what's been happening But it's kind of one of those things like at some point you're gonna hit a threshold me like well this country's fucked Let's just burn everything we can so what they still feel that the rich still have power and still have money They're not they're not starving all right

What is making you some minutes off about this? Oh, no, I'm just I'm just what do you think it should happen? Let's tell us make a prediction here so that you worry about like what do you think will happen in the next? I think I think it's gonna be something where like someone fires a shot You know and like it just gets taken in the wrong way and then suddenly something little skirmish pops up and we've never I mean we've never seen I don't know. I honestly don't know what could have on North Korea, but I could see them trying to launch something big. I watch, I love, and the reason I'm so passionate about this

is I love North Korea. And I love the story of what's happening between North and South Korea. I watch a lot of documentaries and a lot of news coverage and analysis about North Korea before. Yes, and you've had about Starcraft. And I love Starcraft, I'm a lot of documentaries and a lot of news coverage and analysis about North Korea before. Yes. You've talked about Starcraft. I love Starcraft, I'm super excited about that. You know, they add the DMZ where they have the phones to make the connection and meet. There's like a building that straddles the DMZ where they can

meet, like North Korean guards, face South Korean guards, and the South Korean guards all wear, you know, military uniforms, they have giant aviators sunglasses, and the guards at South Korea stations there at the DMZ are like the tallest soldiers in their military. So they get like the tallest soldiers they have and put them there to intimidate the North Korean soldiers and think, what's going on in the South? Their soldiers are so much taller than us. It's like a subtle like mind game they play. I saw a photo on Reddit of like the South Korean soldiers at the DMZ where they were

opening a door, which is essentially the door to North Korea, like once they crossed that threshold or in North Korea, and they had a guy literally holding onto a pole or something and holding hands with a guy who was opening the door in case he was grabbed and pulled in. It's like that's, really? They have crazy protocols, like think about that. That protocol has been established for some reason.

They were like, we're gonna open the door. Okay, I'm on pole. I got your arm. Yeah, it's just. So if you get something, then there's literally nothing you can do about it. No, don't take your hat in prison camp. Put that crab in that water thing. Yeah, you can't actually

when it's like, it's such right through. I was read, Gus, that there was a house that North Korea built on the edge of a cliff so that South Korea could see it. And it was like the vision of North Korea that they wanted South Korea to see. It was like a fake house where nobody was living but they wanted it to look nice so that- That's a serious looking-

Sounds about right. So that's what you're looking to do. The tall soldiers in South Korea. Look at those aviators. Yeah, that's the- Look at his pants. That ass. And we photoshopped the picture of Bernie's face up in that one just like a real-

Real-who-shack. God. pants that is and we photoshop the picture of Bernie's face up in that one just shut me out who's jacked but anyway it's a situation you might you mean you're probably right there's probably nothing but it's the situation that should be paid attention to right yeah I mean it's important it's you know it's important in the grand political sense of things sure okay but it's not like it's not the end of the world they're not going to attack we are not in some one I hope you're right jacks's analysis of North Korean politics. It is someone does something that something happens and then I don't know Well, I was like this it's sad but let me give you let me give you a great horrible worst-case scenario. Okay

Like North Korea decides to launch a nuke at South Korea. It's a shitball little nothing nuke, you know what I mean, but it still isn't, it's essentially an ICNN. It hurts soul, something like that. I'm not worried about that. Okay. No, that's so sorry. So wow.

So sorry, so South Korean listeners. So they launched an ICBM class missile and then it detonated a nuclear explosion. Not so much worried about like how much devastation that does. I'm worried about is fucking rusted ass Decommissioned computers that are in silos in Former USSR countries The detect a lot. Oh, there's a fucking lunch and it's in our hemisphere I'm a lot more worried about that I'm worried about because that's like because we know how computers shit can go wrong

Yeah, I mean, I mean, so even if North Korea I mean, God, I can't believe we're talking about this so much. Even if North Korea, like let's say launches a nuke, there are, I would assume, anti-missile batteries in the South. So you ideally intercept in the air, you still have a nuclear explosion, but it's not hopefully over a major area. By the way, that's really fucking hard. Yeah, you just said. Yeah, I mean, we have a rocket with a rocket. Well, we have systems where we say they do that, and, you know, I mean, I mean, that's what essentially were one of the things they say that bankrupted the USSR is when Reagan put out all that

Star Wars stuff that was total bullshit. It was total like hypothetical propaganda stuff that we could shoot down ICBMs. And then essentially that was one of the things that led to the end of the Cold War. Because they seriously started investigating it. Right. Yeah. So, you won the war with bullshit. The US won the war by making the Soviet Union spend more money than it had. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah. But I think like, that being said, I'm not concerned about North America being hit.

Like, I don't think there's any chance that North America could hit North America. Even if they could get a rocket anywhere near us, we would take it out before it got to us. I would imagine. I like to think that our military and our, you know, we have somewhat smarter than us in talking on it. Yeah, that, you know, there's something, there's something that I,

you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, we just get political here too, but we can't also gloss over the fact that, you know, the US did that and Star Wars. One of the many things that happened to the USSR, another major thing that happened to him was Afghanistan. They got in a fucking sinkhole in Afghanistan for 10 goddamn years and fought in Afghanistan

and lost a ton of money and goodwill and everything fighting that war And they eventually just pulled out and said fuck you know, we're not we're not doing this and left And it's one of the things that bank are which is amazing to me because then we watch the US do the exact same fucking thing less than 20 years later You know how you have that emergency system here way like TV you can just replace the broadcast system Which by the way have we talked about this for they test that thing every god damn week Every week it's never been used if they didn't use the emergency broadcast system on 9-11 when the fuck are they gonna use it? What has to happen? Is that what they use if they were to evacuate a city they would just do that. I

really at this point I have no idea what that today does because they didn't use it on what we consider to be our biggest and as you know tornadoes like when tornadoes are like coming through a city they can they can light it up like that. The emergency broadcast I've seen something that's taken over by the emergency broadcast system. I mean, personally, no. I see like news things interrupt. But I've seen the test. The emergency broadcast. I just hope everyone has the South by Southwest app installed.

And the Lord and that way. Like, oh, Newx. I'm like, you're in line for Prince. And you're like, oh, shit, guys. I'll fucking run out. I don't know if we have anything. Shit, shit, the missiles are coming. Oh, whatever.

I don't know if we have anything like that in the UK. Well, I never saw anything like that when I was there. And we definitely didn't have this. The other day in the office, Michael's phone made the weirdest noise ever. And he pulled his phone out of his pocket like, what the hell was that? It was like an amber alert because a kid wasn't missing or something. Oh my god. I didn't know they could do that.

They shouldn't be able to... I think it's an opt-in thing. He just got his phone recently. It made it. It must have been something. It's not like that. Maybe the previous maybe the previous phone number owner had opted into it or something. Well he's done a brand new contract. So I'm thinking maybe it's just like a default. I'm sure the phone number has been reused though. Yeah. But I could marry. I had my friend before me. So we're getting a new area code in Austin this year. It's 7-1-something. 7-3-7. 7-3-7. Like the airplane. 737, 737, 737, like beer clean.

370. Anyway, my point with that though is if that system is only on TV and phones, with people watching TV less, can they, can internet providers do that to your computer if they wanted to? Well, actually, they, well, they have to revise it all the time because they realized about 10 years ago that DVRs We're killing nobody's watching TV live anymore. So it doesn't make sense I have an emergency broadcast interrupt a recording that you watch you know an hour or two later

That's one of my personal pets. They had no adapted so it punches through when you watch recording They can punch you a lot One of my personal pet peeves is when I watch them It's been DVR and there's a fucking crawling weather alerts at the bottom of the screen. Like severe weather, like this doesn't fucking matter. This was days ago. I don't have to see this again. Yeah.

How would I separate that if it was actually live? I don't know. Someone smarter should be working on that. You know, believe it or not, believe it or not, we come from back from Telecom. Emergency services are actually one of the things that can kind of slow down progress of technology. For example, IP telephony, which is telephone calls based on IP addresses and data packets and stuff like that, that was slowed down for a long time because of 911 address delivery because when you would call 911, if you're on an IP phone, the address would

be like, co-location server where the service is. So like the trucks would roll up to, you know. A data center. A data center, somewhere. Yeah. When someone calls and says they have a heart attack. And that's a really big deal. What's that called? E911.

E911, but what's SS7 I want to say? It was like the level of redundancy you have to have. So like, a data center has to be certified SS7. Yeah. But I remember, I came over with the layer what the layer was until I was a whole generation So do they just come to the location of your phone if it's a mobile phone? I the mobile phone is actually don't know how works honestly I wonder if we stood on top of a skyscraper got three phones dial 999 9199 9191 and then just like love the phones into different parts

And see if police went to those locations On the ground you don't think the phone would break when it hit the ground? Now before they transfer the data, he's probably right. They can trace that, can they? The battery's still in there. You ever thought about that? If your plane goes down, would you have enough time to make a call, like when you get down with the phone?

With an iPhone hell note, the device needs to turn on. It does. Well, I leave my phone on, so I just put it in there. You know, the worst part of an iPhone is when it actually dies, and then you plug it into charge, it doesn't come back on for a good five to 10 minutes. That is the worst part of an iPhone is when it actually dies and then you plug it into charge It doesn't come back on for a good five to ten minutes. I think that is the worst You should be able to use something when it is plugged into the wall. I totally agree with Bart I much of it would be it would be it would be faster. It doesn't die while it's booting

So you know like I'm plugging me. I should have protect you from that like oh plug your fucking computer And because we're updating it. What would you be more annoyed at though if you lost power while that was happening? And then your phone was bricked not break. I mean you can probably restore it You can restore it. Yeah, good restore it. No, I've actually hey, by the way I never turned off my phone. We travel right I forgot I can't believe I didn't tell you guys this I never turn off phone with travel I just like and I just don't understand why I just click it like in the to sleep or whatever You know like or you mean you lock the screen a lot to screen. Yeah, I lock screen I throw it in the back of the seat back pocket so then when I land

I just pull it out and it's picked up the network and I'm good to go and you guys like for to turn on wait Apple logo that up yeah Because I'm not in the biggest rush when I'm setting a plan. I can't go anywhere and even if my phone was on or off I wouldn't get to do anything different you will love this then you will love this then because I was Flying along between Los Angeles and Austin, I was flying along, you're my thing sitting in the pocket, all of a sudden my phone, the email alert goes off, that I got like email like two and a half hours

into the flight, I'm like, how the fuck did that happen? So I pulled my phone out and it had picked up a network and it had downloaded all my email, including attachments and stuff like that, they got it from the listing, it had picked up a network and it had downloaded all my email, including attachments and stuff like that, they got it for listing. It had picked up a network carrier in Mexico. Oh, that's cool. And I guess their broadcast standards are not what ours are,

they can do like a heavier like broadcast network there. Yeah, really high broco. Yeah, it had picked up a 35,000 feet, I picked up a Mexican, so I got data rolling charges. Oh my god! That's cool! That went on. When still phones first rolled down, I grew up on the border.

That was a huge problem. That was karma. Like you'd be in the US using your phone, but you'd be like, oh shit, I'm on the Mexican tower. What, he's ton of data right now? That didn't exist back then, dude. Yeah, what was this? This was like in 95, 96. Wait, so you're ton of data?

You're a remote. No, because he's an asshole. Wow! Listen, it's my going, listen, fuck of you. He's too important, everyone. Clearly. Look at the tie. It's like that thing that Steve Jobs did. What did that shirt and tie come on?

Listen, listen to me, Jackass. How many fucking planes do you want today? Where they have a fucking Wi-Fi network on the plane? On the plane. Which doesn't work during takeoff and landing? But it works during the flying part. So that works with what would I play mode on? No. There's no setting on your phone to have it off and be able to use

Wi-Fi. You enable airplane mode and you turn Wi-Fi on. Yeah. You enable airplane mode and turn Wi-Fi. You can't do that. Yes, you absolutely can't. Yeah, that's exactly what I do. Every fucking. I turn airplane mode on yeah and I turn Wi-Fi on yeah well they didn't put that any man we're gonna wrap up so we can I have a point with Wi-Fi signal next to it we should talk about watch this oh yeah we're going to Paxi's not this coming not this

week but next week and yeah Jesus so who's going to be there? Jack, Barbara, Bernie, me, Monty, Miles Carey. And always it's always like, oh, we're going to send like two or three people this time and end up being 15. Yeah. You want to be the only one that you? Huh?

No, no, I'm just saying it was always a small group, and then always expands and expands and expands. So we have our panel Friday. Jack, didn't you spend two years your life bitching about how you weren't added on to Australia all the time So how can you be upset about not being added on to one convention? And then you're a still upset about being No, I'm not upset. I'm saying it always we He sounds upset. He sounds upset. He's the guy in the line really expands every fucking year We say we're gonna let's conventions that's what expands and then we end up going to all the fucking conventions

Like we were at the South by South was gaming convention. Yeah, I don't know that happened Yeah, we have a fucking convention in Austin dark invention and we're here in in May or March Oh, I love stuff. I we love those guys. So it's kind of it's like this scratching back type deal It's like we were gonna help them out. I can help I'm sure you're gonna fucking just flood in our convention in July. I'm sure that's exactly what's gonna happen. Got it's gonna happen? No. Okay, anything. So you know how when people think that rules don't apply to them?

Like you? Like the Bernie Syndrome? Yeah. Well, no, but like I think the rules are stupid. I think it's a different... But they don't apply to him. So go ahead. Steve Jobs, apparently, when he had a Mercedes,

and there's some law in California where you don't actually have to have plates on them for a certain period, like three months or six months or something so he would just leave the plates off and then Every six months would replace the car with an identical one Just to reset that counter because he's like I'm Steve Jobs. I don't need play I remember people once took pictures of his car with no ice plate Because then there's just like a barcode there and they're like He has some kind of special license plate. It's just a barcode

It's like no every Mercedes that he bought has a barcode there. It's like a serial number for the car You just never see it because no one's license plates in front of it. Yeah, so that's what that is What that I'm Steve Jobs? No, he decides to this I'm gonna pick this rule and not do that one But who does that he's buying a new Mercedes, though, every six months. But that's, don't you think, let's mention it. You can spend $75 a year to register at a car and get a license plate, or he can spend $50, $60, $70 grand

on a new Mercedes every six months. It's all marketing. It's all marketing. We're talking about it, fucking Mercedes. It is, so I guess so. It is, we all own iPhone. Let's go buy some Teslas. We're gonna get some response in the podcast.

So yes, our panel at Paxi, Yes. It's at the main theater on Friday. It's either 1pm or 2pm. It's 1pm in the main theater after Jerry and Mike open up for us. They're going to warm the crowd up. They're going to do some jokes. It's a magic and then they'll be ready to get out of the fan. And we already announced that we will be showing the black trailer at Paxi.

Yes, the black trailer from Ruby will be shown there, as well as some other stuff that we're working on. Yes. I need to take a picture of me. Just just noise you. We're doing it in flight. I wanted to take a picture of us. Yeah, so we got that coming up.

And we are booth 7-11. Are we really? It's a good number. We're close to the escalators. Like when you come down the escalators, I think we're behind you. Yeah, you like take a left or a right. It's like right in between the two escalators. I you come down the escalators I think we're behind this yeah you like take a left or a right it's like right in between the two escalators I believe it's a left but if you come down the other one it's a right

well they're right next to each other we're between the escalators yes I thought we were all the way around have you been in a pexy's before I know you fucking have there will be a map and you will not have to forget this out based in our directions from memory someone just tweet it Steve Jobs did that to his car so he wouldn't be followed. Yeah. Surely that sticks out more than a car. I think he didn't want his license plate looked up so people wouldn't find us a

driver. That happens. Yeah, but it's easier to find. I don't know. He's got reasons. You know, you didn't have the phone. What did you fuck, you know? You can do it everyone.

You don't have a car. You're a human being with a car in America. Yeah, I don't have a place. You can check this out. Yeah, you know, I mean, how long have you been here now? What has it changed? You're ever going to get a guy? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't have a place. You can check it everyone. You don't have a car. You're a human being with a car in America. Yeah, I don't have a place. You can take this. Yeah, you know, you know, I mean, I mean, how long you been here now? What is the change you're ever going to get a goddamn car? Barber had a car in like three days. You had a new car, right? You had a license. What?

We can get a fucking license. Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, I actually can go and went and signed him up for driving school and I took him to the place, signed him up for driving school. And I took him to the place, signed him up for driving school. Oh, what? Eight months ago? And I said, you're going on Saturday to start. He's like, okay, nah. But then a whole girl came to town. And if I was doing that, I wouldn't be a time out.

Yeah, I was doing that. But then the next weekend. Yeah, for God. And the thing is, I'm actually pretty convinced that if I did get a license when I could have, like, eight years ago, whatever, I think I'd be dead. Now, I don't trust myself really. You're also a big nitty when it comes to driving.

You're very scared of it. How much scared of it? You are scared of driving. You're like, you're convinced like a scared of driving. You are. You think other people of the car are going to kill you like when they bounce around the cabin. Do people here are mentally the drunk who the time.

That's what being scared means, Gavin. That's what it fucking means. Yeah. You are scared of driving. You think you're going to die while driving. The drunk will the time that's what being scared means Gavin that's what it fucking means. Yeah You are scared of driving you think you're gonna die while driving you did you any Crash them up videos for your slow motion. That's what it is. It is. I just seen how slowly you can crash a car and be dead Man, it's freaky. I'd rather be I'd rather someone else be responsible in me. There we go That's it That's scumbag Bernie right there with your tie and That's a that's scumbag Bernie right there with your tie and Tweeters and shirt. Yeah, it's my hipstrap fit. We really need to to wrap up here.

And you see it's out by what's that anything to see it's out by I'm sure there is there is a huge rumor floating around right now I almost don't want to talk about it. It's not real. It's Barbara and I are both in agreement on this one. I'm very excited today because they got announced that Matt and Kim are playing Austin. I'm very excited. Oh, we didn't even get to tell the guests you're interviewing on Thursday. I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can talk about it. I'll tell you that.

I don't care. So on Thursday, Jack's going on what's trending and it's going to be the guests are going to be Matt and Kim. Matt and Kim. He's very big fans of Matt and Kim. You're fan of Matt and Kim. And then the rumor, which is we think is going to be is that chuck d he's gonna interview chuck d on what's the other way or whatever anyway

yeah so chock is going to interview you no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no talking about as a different thing now i'm just saying for what's threatening that school yet what the what's the room where you talk about all say the right fine by the rumor to tell you to tell you remember that death uncle be performing at the capital on Wednesday with the absolute bullshit probably since two thousand seven so apparently they're gonna have a new album

that's a room it's just two books that it Yeah, it's just two blokes though. It's but it's that punk. It's like this It's just gonna be too good. Oh, if that punk is playing Austin I'm like you go away in line for seven hours ago And you want under a cold live music at all. Do you go like it's day? Hey, he's not girl talk. I've been to live music once and like if I was your favorite song right now that you Like anything at all. Yeah, right girl talk if girl talks coming and they said oh There's only a hundred seats and you can enter a contest to win

Or would you do that at all? Yeah, okay? You go. Yeah, if you had a ticket like would you go? Would I make any effort to get a ticket? No, if someone said he has a ticket Everyone doesn't make an effort for an exact that's that's the top thing that's got the hardest you have tried Anything in the last that not as I shouldn't say that because you work very hard on the videos you make you work Except the visa to work it was the hardest thing I worked on ever yeah, it's like it's like a year and a half Like two years beating you over the head to turn in five pieces of paper. Yeah, you would not do that Beating you over the head like just oh, so I just needed to fill out a form and that was it Five dude it was so easy. He's the paper. She didn't make wings

She was here. She was here. It was like, why? I said, do you want me to be such a G.S. By the time I hung up on you, she was in the fuck door. She was done. Anyway, so I'm very excited. Third, I'll be on what's trending with Man Kim and Shakti from Public Enemy.

So anyone think you're supposed to talk about the AMO. Fuck you. Anyone that's in front of first. Anyone that publicly wears a helmet or a mask, they do that so that they don't have to be under the mask, right? You mean oh like Demouls or deaf pumps. Yeah, they do it so that they could first get two guys to like replace them and then just play the same music

Or they could walk that thing over there. That was an old rumor about kiss in the 70s, right? That it was like several different regional bands. Tell me that. That's just something really funny It was rather up to and I know I can see it got like five minutes here They did it with the fucking they did with a stick on top Yeah, it was like four different dudes. Oh really? I thought the stick was one. Yeah. No, well, I know they replaced them like he's been multiple people like he's over time He's been a few different. I've seen him. Huh. Oh, that's right. You worked on top here We did just sign anything specifically referring to stick and not I didn't have crap. You're calling mr. Stig

I didn't give him a must come and her stick All right, what are we looking at burns? What's in the rest of the words the white makeup? Sting. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's thing. I know I know exactly your time. What is it? W W W F? I think it was W W E. Yeah. W C W according to Brandon. Oh, right.

Brain it. Whoa. What's that? Okay. Hold on a second. I'm going to try to look at this video, guys. So I thought it was fine. All right. Fuck. Where is it? Oh, it's weird. You two. YouTube on this is different? Oh it's right there. YouTube on this is different to the rest of the world.

Nothing ever shows up on this computer. I just think you're missing, I can't even see. What's that? No we're fine. It's not like Joel. Oh man. Who the fuck is this video dude? He has paste paint and out of mask, corner brand. He's very upset. Oh well nobody's wearing a mask in the video. He should be wearing a mask in the video.

I don't fucking know. This is the best way to end the podcast. I'm so apathetic. Just a few ever done South by Southwest. Like properly done South by Southwest. I got a badge or a wristband. Yeah, yeah, one last time he did South by. This year.

Yeah, well, I guess we'll not enough for work reasons. Like for fun. No, that's not fun. What? There's nothing fun about South By. Yeah, nothing fun about South By. You don't like live music. No, fucking hate live music. Yeah, so the answer is no, you've never done something.

That's what I said. I said no, it was literally the first word out of my mouth. No, you said you said you're doing it this year. I know, and then you said for fun, person, I said no. There was nothing fun about South by all right We went to a party That's not you don't need a bitch for that Yeah, it's you have a bad time at the party. It's every share of knowledge You know you're there you guys are party next year. Oh

You're fucking that's how just sit yeah, I guess is in relaxation Fuck that's how that's what that's about 430 Gus right there like he slowly slips Oh, he's still looking for this thing I'm gonna fucking don't worry. Oh My god I'm really bad at the internet. We'll put it in the link down We'll find it funny video Okay, you know exactly what I'm talking about I know

I'm not gonna watch that. We'll see it. What it would be good I'm not gonna take is it wouldn't be as yet. Yeah, no, no, we've hyped it up. Great. And there's the deaf punk, Matt and Kim, Austin, South by South by the way. And Barbara is going to be on what's trending on Wednesday. But we don't know who she's going to be talking with. Who the guests are.

But she'll be on it. You should watch it. And Gus will be appearing in South by Southwest at all the fun events. He'll be in the back in the painting. And who might be the winner. If you're listening to audio versus podcast, stay tuned for highlights from the Richard Garrett

interview about his new project and about his history in the gaming industry. It's a great podcast. Yeah. Bye. Bye internet. We are super honored to have with us an influential figure in the gaming industry. I think it was a huge influence on both Bernie and myself. We have Mr. Richard Garry himself.

Mr. Garry everybody. Hey. Lord. Great to be here. Great to be here. Great to be here. If you have ever listened to the podcast on a regular basis, you've probably heard me talk about Richard Garry before. Fellow Austinite.

And also probably one of the main reasons that I got involved in gaming in any way whatsoever. I grew up as an arcade kid, but like getting into PC gaming and home gaming was definitely the ultimate series. All right. I'm super happy. I'm happy. Couldn't be happier the Richard Gared is here with you. Very well. Welcome.

The thrill to be here with you. I am fortunate to be just at the right age where I was discovered both Dungeons and Dragons and the personal computers at about the same time right at their very outset. And I had the great fortune to write a series of role-playing games that can stake a claim as being, you know, amongst, if not the very first computer-based to finish a role-playing games through largely the ultimate series. I got to punctuate a lot of kind of firsts throughout its history.

But about 15 years ago, sadly, I walked away or had to leave the ultimate series behind. And for 15 years, I've not developed another to leave the ultimate series behind. And for 15 years I've not developed another medieval fantasy role playing game. And I think it's just long overdue to return to my roots. I think in the last decade or so it's interesting that there haven't really been people who have targeted the type of work that I've done in the past. And so it was really a wrap opportunity for the team and I to get back to our roots, create a new role playing game

that both we hope harkens back to that golden era of the deep storytelling that I did in the solo player numbered altimas, but also includes a fresh approach to multiplayer that allows you to still live in a persistent world. And that's what brought us to the creation of Shroud of the Avatar. So today is its initial unveiling. Today is when we're launching right now a crowdsourcing campaign to not only help us accelerate the development, but also to invite in the players to come participate with us during its creation. Because that was one of the great lessons of, for example,

Ultima Online, which was, since we did it mostly in a vacuum, and it was really the first. There were tons of features that we under served the player base and a good number of features that we created that nobody really was interested in. So by getting the customers and the players in early, it means we can build this world together, which I think we'd better for the players, as well as more efficient for us as well.

You have a history of that too. I mean, we should go back and talk about a lot of the first in your career, and there's a lot of them. But I remember when Ultima Online was coming out, was in development. That was the first time I had ever experienced a developer putting everything out there. Like there was, you were building out the all the list of monsters and the animated gifts of all the monsters

as they were being added and then there was a beta. The original sales projections for Ultima Online by the EA Sales Force was a lifetime sales of 30,000 units. Really? Which was so small, it basically meant they didn't even want to fund the game. I mean, the game only existed because we were so insistent. But then when we spent the whopping $250,000 that gave us as a budget, we put up a website that said, if you want to become a beta tester, please send us $5 so that we can afford to send you the disk.

And 50,000 people, a couple of days signed up for that beta. And suddenly we went, oh, this is going to be much bigger than we had anticipated. It's funny because at the time that you were building a calabeth, this is a something, how old were you when you wrote that? 19. 19. And that was in, what, 1979? Oh my god, unbelievable.

And this is at a time when people are making Pac-Man space invaders. Right. And you're a 19 year old in the process of world building. Right. You know, which was the slogan for origin. We create worlds. My brother's rare creative contributions to the... Which is true. Are you obligated to credit him? I am obligated to. Whenever he says it. Because, you know, my brother was, you know, my business partner through this, those early years. And we all would, whenever you had a creative idea,

we'd always chuckle and, you know, we asked somebody else, with his one brilliant creative move was the, we create worlds tagline for Origin, which we still look back fondly on. I was creating virtual worlds. I didn't want it just as Zip Lock bag. I wanted my game in a box.

And so most publishers said, thank you, but no thank you. And worse than a box, I wanted to spend a bunch of money on things like these cloth maps yeah with the truth of the huge expanse listen i don't want to say this is like one of the first two of me now we have like when you pre-order games you get a collector's edition and all this stuff but one of the one of the ways i really connected with the series early on was

uh... i played ultimate three uh... i hope it was legit my copy but i remember we bought a we're on a family road trip and bought a copy of Ultima 4, Quest of the Avatar. Quest of the Avatar. And the box came with cloth map in it and you know, a real manual. It was book of lore. Yeah, and the onc and it had a trick in it and an onc.

And I had that onc forever. And it's like, you were including these things, these collectibles in a game. And it's, I hadn't seen that for years even after that until, you know, we had this really as the first. So, you knowibles in a game, I hadn't seen that for years even after that until we had announced the first. So, you know, in addition to the, what are called software first,

the stake I'm trying to claim, is that we were pushing the state of the art all over the place, technologically what was required of your computer often, you know, not only the depth of gameplay, but this is the first game in our industry in a box. It was absolutely the first game with things like cloth maps and trinkets. You know, moving forward with the new project, you mentioned you're doing a crowd sourcing.

So you're doing this via Kickstarter? Exactly. So we just launched, right as we started this podcast, both the Kickstarter campaign on, of course, Kickstarter. And we also brought live a sister site the shroud of the avatar site where people can begin to already begin to have conversations on our forums and where we're going to be developing a relationship with people to ask them questions specifically about details that we need plan or action on now before we go write those systems. You know well well the basics of of indoors and outdoors and how to move around and begin to engage in combat, we know and have working already in our prototype.

Things like exactly how to tune player versus player combat, which was one of the great blessing, the wonderful parts of UO and one of the worst parts of UO all at the same time. We really want to get player feedback as to how we tune that. We have an idea about what we want to do with that, but that's one of the worst parts of you all at the same time. We really want to get player feedback as to how we tune that. We have an idea about what we want to do with that, but that's one of the first big questions we want to engage the audience with. And then it must have been really interesting to then go to the MMO, the massively multiplayer environment

for the first time. And now when people exploit, they're also exploiting people all over the world essentially. They're bringing them along in that exploitation journey. Well, in fact, there was a story, and when Ultimon Line was first operating, I used to go into the game as Lord British, but look at the player queue for the help queue. And so I would thought it was cool to show up as Lord British when somebody was stuck

in the map or had some other problem. And there was a woman who chimed in on the help queue and said, I'm being p-cade over and over again. I'm restarting, and I keep getting p-cade i'm about to quit and never come back to this game also you know hope somebody fixes this so i thought i'll help out so i i teleport in his lord bruce and go ha ha i'm here to help you lord british and of course you had no idea who lord british was haha so it was my first disappointment and then uh... i said okay well i'll help you out he said all you all a

square to add a town and when with the if comes to be gank you all i'll help you and as soon as we get outside somebody like macro to all this really sophisticated movement i didn't even know as possible in our game zips through steels all of her stuff and disappears off the screen well before i can react so i teleport ahead teleport ahead and i get hold of the nice and freeze into the ground i say and i appear as lord british and i say how dare you steal from this woman is that he's like i'm so sorry I'm I and he's used to his of course a thief and and I say do that again and I'll

ban you from the game and he said okay I won't do it and I take all the stuff and give it to the woman I've scored her back at a time again same bad as the second time so I freeze him again I say look that's your second warning if you do it again I'm literally gonna ban you from the game Go back to give her a stuff back third time sure enough he does it I freeze him again and say okay. I've given you three warnings and now I'm going to banish you from my game And he and the guy goes look Richard Gary it You know you put the rules in this game that allow me to play as a thief If Lord British comes and stops me of course, I'm gonna say I'll never steal again But I'm a thief

I'm playing the character you put in the game. So get off my case. Yeah, I'm doing the best part of this. And I was like, oh shoot, he's right. And so I teleported him to the other side of the world. That's great way to go. Gave them one back all of our stuff. And then we had to have some powwow's around the office and

I was like, okay, we've created a monster. What are we having to fix it? Unlike you, oh, where you could build a house anywhere. But then that also meant the world was littered with abandoned houses and eventually with abandoned ships. In this game, we have a much more limited number of places any house can be built. Now, we'll eventually build more towns and we'll be able to increase that by all means, but even at the wild, the largest amounts of towns we can imagine building, it's only going

to be a small percentage of the population that can actually un-rail estate. So real estate prices, we suspect, will escalate, which might, it's only going to be a small percentage of the population that can actually un-rail estate. So, real estate prices, we suspect, will escalate, which might mean it's a good investment, because I don't know if you remember back in the U.O. but, you know, people would buy a blacksmith shop right in the center of town where the main traffic was going in. And those were sold off on eBay for tens of thousands of dollars. Yeah. Because if you wanted to be a successful blacksmith, you sort of need to be where people

are coming in at a town. It's incredible that you have gameplay already. And you're announcing the game for the first time. the best way to get access for blacksmith, you sort of need to be where people are coming in at a town. It's incredible that you have a game play already and you have any that you're announcing the game for the first time. You can already get into

the world and walk around and show things. This is such it's so early in development. And so back to you know, most of the stuff you'll see in the videos of gameplay, even on our site, show a lot of the work called the medieval

basis of the design. But if you look at some of the concept sketches we have up there too, you'll see that as opposed to just being traditional medieval we're trying to bring in a little bit of the mechanical age technology, not gunpowder or avoiding guns, but we're bringing in a kind of a little electrical, a little Tesla technology on top of the old world. I noticed some of the on on screen indicators had like gears around them exactly things like that kind of hinting at it yeah well what would like to when you jump in the game and there's always a huge target on

you whatever you show up so hilarious part of the ultimate you know and lord british culture essentially is that you gotta somehow find a way to kill lord british everyone seems to try to do it. Yeah. And how that first became known to me, and that's really what started the virtue aspects of Ultima 4. Ultima 3 was the first game our own company origin published. So before that, if anybody wrote in to say whether they liked or didn't like a game, you know, it went to the publisher and I never saw it. After Ultima 3, people would write in, and by the way, I don't know if you guys get

fan mail, but when I get letters from players, they usually are the following format. One paragraph or one sentence of, hey, I like your game, I'm here to write you. And in the entire rest of the one to 20 pages, let me tell you what you did wrong and how to improve it. And usually buried in there is also, you know, after I played the game to completion along the story you intended I've been enjoying myself going back in and killing every character in the all of people in the town stealing everything from every shop and of course the best part was killing you and not easy to do in the game well in fact I always try to make it

impossible right but I we never managed to make it impossible up until like Ultima 7 I think. And it was always the weirdest ways like in Ultima 3 or 4, I think it was 3, you know, my character Lord British was immortal. But if you hit him, he would chase you. And if you ran out of the castle in the moat around the castle, it was a ship. And if you jumped on the ship and moved off shore, Lord British couldn't attack you. But then you had the ship's cannons that you could shoot at Lord British, and that didn't do damage, that just did a 50-50 chance,

whatever you're shooting at is dead. And I didn't expect that to happen, so I had not coded for it, and so you could kill Lord British. We have a question, mind taking a question about the game. Eric Miller asked, the Kickstarter says, the game can be played offline or multiplayer, how does that work?

Does that mean it is an instance game? Yes, and so the game is being developed first and foremost. The play experience is being crafted akin to a classic new world, ultimate story driven solo player game. So when you experience the game, that's really how we're driving you through the content. That being said, we are, if you are the game, that's really how we're driving you through the content. That being said, we are, if you are connected to online, which we think by default, most people are online most of the time, even with their computers.

There is also a persistent world that is constantly updated. So if your friend, for example, opens up a blacksmith shop near the center of the town we were in, everyone will see that blacksmith shop open up, everyone will see all the decorations they put in, everyone will get a chance to buy and sell all. Everyone will see all the decorations they put in. Everyone will get a chance to buy and sell all the swords from the vendor that person is left behind in the world. Similarly, while we're not doing an MMOs, it's not a thing where if 10,000 people

all pile into the Lord British's castle at the same time, you'll try to, the game would try to let you see like it did in U.O. And what really happens is the server's grind to a halt and your client grinds to a halt because it can't handle that load. Right. In this case what we're doing differently is we are trying to bring into your world

people you already know. Okay. So if we know who your friends are because you've either told us or you've given us access to your Google plus account, your friends list or Facebook or whatever else. So we know who your friends are. If your friends are playing, you'll see them moving around on the outdoor map. You can, if they go into a gypsy playing, you'll see them moving around on the outdoor map. If they go into a gypsy encounter, you can fall in right behind them.

If you see them either killing the gypsies or rescuing the gypsies, you can decide to help or hinder whatever you think is appropriate. It's almost like creating shards for you and your friends. In real time. Yeah. Add Hawk. What I love and what's mind blowing to me is to think about, you know, this technology you're talking about, these five and a quarter inch discs, you know, that held, you know, at Hawk. What I love and what's mind blowing to me is to think about, you know, this technology you're talking about, these five and a quarter inch discs, you know, that held, you know,

either 720K or 1.44 megabytes if you were lucky, and they held, you know, entire worlds and systems for interacting with the world. And by the way, you've also way overestimated the memory on those discs because you've already went to the first round of the PCs. That was 140K, oh, loppy. And the machine was shipped with 16K of RAM, but that game required you to fill it up to the whopping 48K of RAM. And you think about that now. And literally, well, your phones are so advanced. Your phone holds a thousand times more memory than

that already, just for one image. Right. And much less for the full memory. But there's a funny story I like to tell when we look at this, which is, that was a one mega, right, and much less for the full memory. And so, but there's a funny story I like to tell when we look at this, which is, that was a one megahertz machine, one picture was 8K, the maximum memory in the machine was 64K, and the maximum on a floppy dress was 140K. Then when the PC came out five years later, each of those numbers was multiplied by basically 10.

And five years later, by 10 and five years later, by 10. But what's interesting is, since the image density is also going up by a factor of 10 at the same time, but you have 10 times the speed to copy 10 times as much memory that also you have 10 times as much storage, it's sort of a zero sum game. You know what I mean? In the sense of the images get much higher quality,

but the frame rates and things for us has developed them, developing them. We still have to work really hard to keep blitting things to the screen as fast as the screen refreshes. And that, because there's just so much more to move each time. And so, for us, the job hasn't actually gotten that much easier, even though the pictures have become infinitely more beautiful. We have totally glossed over the fact that in addition to everything he's done in digital

worlds and computer gaming, that he's also an astronaut. Yeah. Absolutely. And then we're talking about some of the technology, you know, some of the older technology. Was I always hear the technology used for space travel is ridiculously arcane. Is that still the case? That's true. Yeah.

And the reason why that's true is that you look at the, you know, when you build a piece of hardware that's going to go up into space they often build it you know ten years before it ever flies and they have to build it with things that they know the reliability of which means they're already maybe ten years old also because they've at least fixed all the holes in it. So by the time something flies it's often ten or twenty years old. I mean when we went up there I was shocked to find out that you know the the ISS has the internet.

There's a full blown internet and they use IP phones to call ground i've got iss on speed dial my phone we call anytime the reprise but there's but they on this like the the near of internet and so you know they've got uh... commands to be able to observe and control the the subsystems but ever because they all run windows everyday the first task that shows up on every day's list is reboot the machines. Really?

Just to give them a lower probability of going down. And- You're in a space that seems like a dangerous thing. And in fact, if you just below the internet layer, they have an old-fashioned hardware layer that is unrelated to any of the life support systems or thrusters or anything else, aren't run by the internet layer. They run on a lower layer that this much older but relatively bulletproof. And then this internet layer is just a way to observe what's going on really as much

as anything else. But yeah, it's really surprising, you know, kind of this mix of parts of the machinery, the rockets themselves, I think are super high tech, and parts of what you're using, some of the life support computers are really, really old to go. Yes, I would hope you're not running your of the life support computers are really real. I would hope you're not running your life support machine on Windows 95 or something like that. Yeah, or on Open Network. I saw someone was asking, what do you think will happen in the game in the next two to five years?

What are you looking at? Oh, good point. Excellent question. And so, what we're trying to do is, if you look at the map we've created for the, you know, I didn't really describe it well yet, you know, the first episode is we're trying to create a place space that by the end of this year, we can begin to let the people who are backing us to this campaign get into the alpha-slash beta process of and then launch the full campaign, this full first episode of the campaign sometime

next year. So do you have a timeline for this elevator? Is it just still nebulous by interview? It certainly depends how this crowdsourcing campaign goes. That will tell us a lot about both how we can scale the team, as well as it will tell us how many features we should pull in to the first release. For example, I'm sure in the very first release we'll include the skill trees for fighter and the skill trees for a magician. But we may or may not include the skill tree,

for example, for an alchemist, depending on whether or not we have these campaign goes. And the players help us judge which things we should front load or back load. But then what we're doing is this map is only the center tile you might think of it as of a tic-tac-toe grid of a world and we're going to each episode which we hope to launch one per year will effectively double the size of the already existing world until we get to the full, we currently have planned five episodes. We have a story arc, we already know that takes place across these five episodes. Oh, that's a five years.

Five years, a release a year. That's so ambitious. One of the questions I thought was, thought was really a question, is that on Kickstarter, a lot of the games that are being crowdsourced and funded on Kickstarter, they seem to reply, are rely heavily on nostalgia. And somebody said, what about somebody who hasn't played

the game before? What are you hoping to get there? What are you hoping to draw them in? So that's why I'm also trying to, the reason where I brought all those show and tell was to say, I believe I can make a pretty darn good case for saying, I have reinvented role playing over and over again in a very successful, positive way

that has impacted other role playing games that have been developed since. And so even if you've never played one of my games We are going to include some of the best parts of nostalgia is the way it was structured being story driven which I think is still very relevant and powerful today But we are also trying to take games in the future especially with this new model for what we call you know a story driven solo player game Combined with this ad hoc multiplayer to where it's it's uh... you know if i was going to be critical of the state of the art of role-playing games

i would say most solo player games are go out and kill the go you're the hero go kill the bad guy and and uh... min max your way to the top even if that's morally ambiguous uh... and my critique of massively multiplayer games is there all built like everquester worlds of workraft where you go click on the people with the arrows over their head and then follow the error of the uh or the explanation over the head then follow the arrows on the map until you get to the place where you farm the next level of monsters. And that's basically it. And I'm telling you I believe my history for those who do know the history has shown that we can create something that is far deeper and we can create something that I believe is fresh in a powerful way. What do you think the biggest changes in the industry have been over this, you know,

storied career that you've had and you've been able to watch? Well, what I find interesting about the evolution of our industry, you know, the hard work always just continues to take steady steps forward. But there are certain moments that uh... that radically affect gameplay and my mind to a degree for the worst and what i mean by that is that you know where if you look at the simplest games of it in fact uh... you were saying how that this three-dee we didn't a kelebot was made might be the first

time you've ever seen that well i was inspired by a block graphics game on the apple called escape and all it was was a drew a top-down maze and then it let you walk through the maze to find your way out. That was it. That was a whole game. And it was in block character graphics. So it was, the visualizations were terrible. But it was the first time I even conceived of seeing from a point of view on a computer. But anytime you start with a technology like a first-person shooter, well to compete with that first-person shooter you get a right-of-game that has something more than just shooting. You wake one with healing packs, you make one with character classes, and you eventually make one

with a story. But then suddenly some radical new technology comes out like a CD-ROM. And when a CD-ROM comes out, you can make the walls of that dungeon look so much better than they ever looked before. You can do just a plain first-person shooter again, and it's extremely competitive. And then to compete with that gets deeper and deeper and deeper until, say, the internet comes out. And now you can do it multiplayer. So now I am multiplayer, first person shooter is the standard. And then it gets deeper and deeper and deeper until 3D rendering hardware.

And 3D rendering hardware comes out and it resets it back to just run around and shoot things and 3D rendering. And so every time there's a radical upheaval in technology, gameplay resets to nothing more than, let me just run around and shoot things. When it's relatively stable, games get deeper and deeper and deeper in content. And I like the deeper, deeper myself. I mean, obviously, a lot of sales are driven

by the whizz bang of taking advantage of the new technology. But as somebody who's been in the industry for so long, I long for the day of some hardware stability or when we just peek it out to where we can all put on VR goggles and just be there. And then what sorts out one game for another is content. All right, well, I think we're at about time with your wrap up.

We're going to remind everyone that you guys will be at RTX showing off a shout out of the Avatar. Yeah, come and play it. In fact, you'll, you'll probably be able to sit down and play it all that. Yeah, which is one of the big, you know, one of the big reasons we're super excited about this game. On top of the history we have with the great series. Thanks for coming out and spending time talking with us.

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