Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Ariana Madix: There’s Just Something About Her…

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

Living well is the best revenge, and that’s what this week’s guest is doing. Scheana is joined in the studio by her BFF and VPR co-star, Ariana Madix, one week after Rachel reemerged for her first interview since going into treatment. Ariana shares the unvarnished truth on how she has navigated these past few months, along with her reaction to the comments and accusations levied against her on Bethenny’s podcast. Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guest: @arianamadix @somethingaboutherClip Credit: @chicksintheoffice  Pre-Order Ariana’s new book “SINGLE AF COCKTAILS” below:https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/743360/single-af-cocktails-by-ariana-madix/ Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Go to www.drinkAG1.com/SCHEANA for a free 1 year supply of vitamin D and 5 free travel packsIt takes Poise®–Learnmore at Poise.comFind more weeknight dinner recipes at Pillsbury.comGo to www.liquidiv.com and use code HONEY for 20% off anythingRakuten is the most rewarding way to shop and save because our members earn Cash Back on everything that they buy. Rakuten is a shopping platform that partners with over 4200 stores across every category; beauty, clothing, electronics, home, department st ores, pets, etc. You are already shopping at your favorite stores, why not be saving while doing it, it is a no - brainer!Go to www.factormeals.com/goodasgold50 to get 50% offProduced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. From Vanderpump Rules to motherhood and everywhere in between, it's time to catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now here's your host, Sheena Shea. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. All right, time to get into some BFF shenanigans today. But before we do, because we have a lot of ground to cover, I would like y'all to please head straight to the link in my guest bio, pre-order her new book, Single AF Cocktails, and please welcome one of my besties,

co-founder of West Hollywood's soon-to-be best sandwich shop and future mirror ball champion, Ariana Maddox. Hi. Oh my gosh. I didn't know what you were saying to the audience. And so when you started talking about me, I was like, oh my God, wow, that's so nice. Thank you. Yeah, no, seriously. Thanks. audience and so when you started talking about me i was like oh my god wow that's so nice thank you yeah no seriously that book cover holy shit like you've never looked better i just stared at it for five minutes oh my gosh it's all smoke and mirrors hair and makeup the glam squad no because

you look like that right now but just the way you had the long hair and the little way it sparkled. Oh, yeah. The words popped up. That's what's crazy is the sparkle like on the dress just happened. Like with the lighting and the camera and then all the like I literally am throwing the drink. Yeah. A plexiglass in front of the camera to achieve that. And it's just I mean, obviously, we did it like about a thousand times.

Right. So it's like really crazy how that just looks like that yeah no I've never seen anyone look so good throwing a drink you thanks well if you want to throw a drink at me anytime let me know and I'll be like I'll take a picture well you know who I do throw one on Tom Schwartz in my new music video oh that's right yeah that was a fun moment. I had it where I'm dumping a drink on him and right when my drink finishes, my friend Madison throws one in his face. Oh my god. I can't wait to see it. That's very exciting. I want to see it too. Yeah. So before we get into some shenanigans, it's been an interesting week to say the least. How are we doing? Mental health check-in um pretty good lastly i definitely had a hard time sleeping i was just well first of all i'm pmsing really hard

so yeah the hormones i'm in that place of like am i angry or am i sad and is it is it it's just you know the hormones are working overtime right now. Yeah. And then thinking, you know, like you get I get into this thing of like I'm like, I'm so annoying. I'm the worst. You know what I'm saying? No, not at all. That's where I'm at. But I did caffeinate. So I'm doing better. Plus, hanging out with you makes me feel better. Yay. I love that. Well, you look amazing. Thank you. I did my hair. Yeah, I love it. It's very mermaid-esque. Thanks.

So I just want to get it out of the way so we can move along to other topics and address the elephant in the room. Can you tell us when something about her will be open for business? I wish I had a definitive date for you. It will be soon. We have our security system going in this week. We had our POS system going in this week. So things are moving along.

We've had some hiccups, obviously, along the way, which we've talked about a little bit. But with just having all these approvals with permits and stuff, obviously, we had to rip out the patio. I know. Because West Hollywood would like to turn robertson into a like walking street so there's a lot of city improvement projects going on on robertson and that caused us to have to switch up the outdoor patio so now we're working on

a different outdoor seating plan so there's been some holdups in terms of that, which has been frustrating, but you know, we're really excited to move forward. It just stuff just takes longer sometimes. And it does feel a little bit like it's hard not to feel a little bit defeated in that because it's like so close and you see the light at the end of the tunnel. You're just like, when can we get to the end of the tunnel? Yeah. Like open a when can we get to the end of the tunnel? Yeah. Like, open a sandwich shop. It'll be fun, they say. It'll be easy. Yeah. It's only 750 square feet. It's chill.

But I have to say, just from being there a couple weeks ago, everything looks so good. I wish I wasn't so damn picky and have the palate of a child because there were only a few that I was like, I want to try that one, that one, and that one. And then I'm watching everyone else just enjoy

the egg salad and the tuna. And I'm like, I love that for you. See, but that's necessary though, to have a taste tester that does have that type of palate because there's a lot of people who are very picky eaters out there. That's true. You're not alone. Yeah. Very true. What is your favorite sandwich on the menu? I love the Greek goddess. That was the one you

guys had last season. Yeah. So that was one that so I that's like one of my favorite things to eat in general is a Greek salad. And so last year that was an idea I had to turn it into a sandwich and yeah, it does remain my favorite. I think. Yeah, I love that. How has this restaurant been a source of like grounding and structure for you

and the craziness of the rest of everything, everything, everything? It's been really awesome to just kind of have this project that is a brick and mortar. It is like an actual location to keep going back to and focus on because it's not like a it doesn't feel lofty or cerebral. It's very like cut and dry. Like these are the tasks and these are our goals. And I feel like also, you know, in the event, which it will happen that things kind of like die down and chill out a little bit and the rest of everything yeah it'll be really nice to have this project that

is something that is very like tangible what would you say has been the rose and thorn of this process of opening up a business i would say the rose is getting to share it with Katie. You know, I feel like we've had such a great time doing it together. And our vision has like never like we've had the exact same like ideas and vision. We've agreed. Yeah, that's the whole process. And it's been so fun getting to do all of that with her. I would say the thorn is.

The permits. The permits. Yeah, exactly. The learning process, the learning curve that comes with like doing something for the first time. Yeah. And it's all like something. It's things that eventually we're going to have to learn about this stuff and the permits and all the process and everything. But the reason why it's a thorn is that it just unexpected stuff.

No, totally. Yeah. I love how you guys started this as a side project while the Toms were busy with their bar. But then you guys both are going through breakups. And so just to be able to lean on each other, open up this business, I mean, and have the same vision. When I was like asking you guys I go so wait you've just agreed on everything I mean that's incredible to be able to open up a business with one of your closest friends in a time when you guys are both going through something

so hard I'm sure that's been just a great not just distraction but you know project to be a part of together yeah it's like been a really good source of positivity and feeling productive and having a goal. Yeah, we're going for. Totally. Yeah. How did you guys decide on the menu? So we kind of had, we had a few sandwiches,

obviously, that we had come up with a year ago when we first got our location and we wanted everyone to have a little look-see. And then we just wanted to expand on that. And I feel like people, also feedback from fans and people on the internet who were like, oh, you need to have this, you need to have that. That was like a lot of ideas came from there as well yeah yeah nice well i know you have been through a lot last year losing charlotte your beloved grandmother and then this betrayal yet here you are still standing literally glowing by the skin of my teeth no but i, you're just shining brighter than ever. I feel like I've never seen like I could cry.

You're gonna make me cry. I've just never seen you this like genuinely happy. Like you just exude so much positivity when you've been someone who's struggled with depression and mental health and to see the worst happen to you and for you to just come out on top just shining brighter than ever I'm just so proud of you as a friend seriously it's very admirable for you to be able to turn something so negative into this like Ariana Asans you know it's been really incredible to watch and I'm so so fucking proud of you and I want to be there every Monday

well you will you have a C with your name on it I've definitely gone through I feel like you've seen me be like pretty angry at times over the last few months and I feel like I really appreciate you saying that because I feel like sometimes I stop and I look back and I have to like remind myself that

like it's not like it wasn't guaranteed that I would come out this like that I would be doing well um and it's thanks to like honestly you and friends and family that like were there for me because I really feel as though it very easily could have gone in a very completely different direction and I feel like I'm just like really really lucky and really grateful and there's still a lot of work to do to not be angry or to not be I don't know wanting to punch the sky sometimes, but yeah. But thank you. No, totally. Any advice you have for other women and men who might be going through a similar type of betrayal?

I guess I might have better advice in a year um but i guess i would just say to not be afraid to lean on your friends and not be afraid to ask for help or accept the help that is offered to you um i'm a very as you know very like i got it i'll do it myself yeah you know like i don't want to talk about it kind of person. And I feel like I still struggle with that sometimes, but I'm trying to not go in that direction because I feel like what has helped me get to the place, at least like the little place that I am now with still a long way to go has been because I've had other people there to help. Well,

you, I feel like, like I said, are just in the most positive place you can be in considering everything you went through. This new book coming out, I am so excited for you. I want to know a little more about it. I know originally you wanted to do a book on your own and we all know how that worked out. So how did this specific book come out and how has the process of writing been like therapeutic for you? Well, obviously it was written very fast. Yeah, I know. So a lot of it was voice notes,

like telling stories and then going through having either having a recipe and then the recipes all very like much coincide with the stories. Right. So, you know, some of them are like kind of gross because the name of the cocktail is something kind of gross. So but it was really therapeutic because I feel like it was an opportunity and a way for me to not just talk about, you know, the betrayal or like the bad this thing. Right. But to talk about other parts of my life over the last nine years in my relationship and also be able to say like, there was good stuff at certain points. Like it's not, you know, it's not like it was just like nine years of hell. Obviously I was very invested in my relationship for a reason, but also to be able to kind of go through and look at and say like, okay, I have my own flaws as well. Like I'm moody as fuck and my anxiety is like real bad sometimes.

But to try to just go through piece by piece and talk about all of these things and also be able to essentially, I feel like at certain points, write a love letter to my friends and my family. Yeah. You know, and go through this whole thing. A lot of these stories and things that are in the book were written earlier on. So it's definitely a little bit more raw at that time. Yeah. But yeah, I did feel like it was pretty cathartic. And then I really felt like doing the photo shoot

was like the most fun. Yeah. There's one shot or one like series of photos where Kelly, the same photographer who did Fancy AF, she shot this book as well because she's just the absolute best. And her and her team are incredible. And they set up they found this TV on the side of the road. And they were like, well, this would be great for this shot. And then I had a golf club and all this stuff and they were like, all right, we're going to play some

Rage Against the Machine super loud and you just go to town on that TV and I literally stabbed myself with my own fingernail because I was going, swelling so hard on this TV and I was like, wow, this is why people go to those rage rooms. it is the

most amazing most like therapeutic feeling yeah we gotta do a little bit of that when we went up to Tahoe at Lisa's new place we all took sledge hammers and just screamed things we were mad at into the wall and then just beat the shit out of it and it felt so good yeah it feels amazing

it really did so I want to give Dan another moment on shenanigans because he's had some moments on shenanigans without you. Oh my gosh, that's funny. On the way here, I was talking to him and he was like, are you going to talk about me? I was like, I don't know. It depends on what she wants to talk about.

Yes, because we stan Dan. I just think he is such another light of positivity in your life. From the second I saw him on Instagram, but then met him in person, I was like, oh my God, obsessed. Like he just has the best energy. He does. Yeah. I can't even picture this guy in a bad mood ever.

Like he's just that person where you feel like, are you always happy? Because he always just has the best energy, wants to make sure everyone else is having the best time. And I feel like it's so different from the past relationships you've been in and not just your most recent ex, but the guy before that. And to see you now with someone who I just feel like you guys bring out the best in each other.

And I love to see it. I love love. And I'm so happy for the two of you. Thank you. He's a very like grounding, calming, positive energy. like grounding, calming, positive energy. He's very like always trying to help with things like, okay, I needed to call Amex.

And he's like, I'll call them. I'm like, okay, great. Then I'm like, no, no, do it. Don't do it. He's like, I'm going to call them. I know you want to do everything yourself, but I'm going to just go ahead and do it. And I feel like, you know, I just want to keep going towards things that are positive.

And so I'm just going to keep doing what makes me happy and going in that direction, or at least trying to. And he is someone who does bring a whole lot of happiness and really just like calming and positive energy to my life. So I'm going to keep him around. Yeah. No, he really does. I feel like having you with someone for the first time

that I've personally ever seen who supports you, who's happy to help you and empower you and also take a backseat and just fucking let you shine. Literally, it has been so nice to see him just be like, no, no, no. He's like, I don't want to I don't want to bother her. You know, she's she's working. I'm like, I think she might want you to bother. It's OK. But yeah. How is it doing a long distance relationship? have you guys talked about what the next steps are going to be would you ever move back to new york would he ever move to la or just keep this going for a bit and yeah it is i guess it's hard to predict like you know even just like work-wise

what's gonna come up in the next year or so i would love it if he moved out here yeah but he's born and raised in New York. So I can understand how that would be like a huge adjustment. And his family is there. And it's like, I wouldn't want to take him away from his family. Right. But moving back to New York for me sounds. Oh, God.

It's so much harder. Yeah. Like just the day to day. Like when I'm in L.A la i can throw whatever shit i need for the day in my car and just bop around in my car and it's easy peasy right yeah there's traffic but i can sit i'm sitting comfortable and i got my music going and i'm chilling with the ac but like when i lived in new york i remember i would have this like giant bag of all the like changes of clothes that I needed that day some like makeup for like later on in the day and it just was like just so

much more of a chore every day to like go out and get the things done that I need to get done yeah so I'm like you know it's just Ellie's And it's so beautiful, like, all the time. I know. It's kind of hard to beat. And you know I was not the biggest fan when I first moved. I know. So this is like, I've become, I'm converted. Yeah.

Yeah. It is the best. You know, we got the sunshine. You can snowboard and surf in the same day. I've always said that about being in Southern California. There's just so many different extremes you can experience. And like good snowboarding. I just learned how to ski the last time

I went. So I'm a skier now. I know. I love that. Now you've inspired me. I'm like, maybe I should ski. I was shocked at how much easier it was for me because I was really trying to force being a snowboarder for so long and I was just like, why do I feel like I want to cry every time I do this? Maybe it's time for a change right but like good snowboarding and good skiing

is literally two hours away whereas like in New York I think you can probably you can drive to Vermont or whatever but it's like Little Hill I know no the snow is not as good yeah well no snowboarding or skiing in the fall like if winter comes early because we cannot injure you before dancing with the stars i was like wait why can't we yeah no do you know who your partner will be yet i don't know yet you don't find out until like soon like right sooner to the date right it's supposed to be soon oh wait soon now like soon as in like in the next like little bit here because we're almost into September. Shit.

Oh, my God. That's right. It's shocking how time flies. But I'm really I almost like, can I just find out early? Yeah. Have you been doing anything to prep for this? Have you taken any dance classes? Are you doing extra stretches?

I know we went to Stretch Lab recently. I've been going to Stretch Lab like a lot. I've been doing a lot of stretching. I've been doing a lot of like strength training and stuff more like cardio endurance. I haven't done like dance dance classes but yeah I just like I'm really excited to just like get going and just like dive into that and like be able to just focus on that. So excited. I'm determined to get a split by the end of my, my, however long I make it on the show till the end.

Sure. Yeah. For the finale performance. Yes. Oh my God. I'm so excited. You're going to get there. I'm so excited.

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and, you know, she said she's going by, you know, whatever. I know, I was like, until she says that to my face, I just, Raquel just comes out easier. I'm going to try and go with Rachel. Okay, yeah. It is kind of like, you know, okay. So, Raquel, Rachel, whatever, she gave her I'm going to try and go with Rachel. Okay. Yeah. It is kind of like. You know?

Yeah. Okay. So Raquel, Rachel, whatever. She gave her first interview since March on Bethany Frankel's podcast. I know you're obviously aware of it. You've been tagged and shared. I'm sure you've seen various clips on your For You page, unfortunately, on TikTok. Swipe, swipe, swipe.

Don't give me more of this algorithm. Yeah. So have you listened to or seen any of it? I've read recaps. Okay. But I haven't, you know, listen, podcasts are long. And that one was three parts. That's a lot of time to take to, you know, so I did not listen, but I did read, you know,

synopses yeah how has this interview made you feel I know you've been very open about your mental health in the past has this had any impact on it with just the lies that we know are still being said it has impacted it. I have to say that, like, you know, I don't think that it's there's anything wrong with or anything bad about Rachel going on anything to do any interview. it makes sense. But some of the things that were said made me really sad, made me angry. And then I understand that with Rachel, I feel like she's still going along with some things that were told to her over the last year or so from the other party in said affair and i think it's that made me really sad and then i always kind of feel like you know i can kind of understand why she put a she put a lot of weight onto what was being told to her so part of me is like okay i get why maybe even though you should know better at this point that those things are not true okay

that's you're choosing to believe him but then bethany is who i feel like should have known better and who actually i think upset me more in the things that were said, because even I guess as recently as whatever podcast she did after the fact, she said, oh, Ariana's forgiven him. I'm like, why are you speaking for me? First of all, I don't know you. Yeah. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah, lady. So there are a lot of things that were said by her that actually i think made me more angry because i feel like she should know better she also said she hadn't even watched the show before until all of this and then what she watched the reunion where everyone was obviously coming so hard at raquel because of them both of them yes but Raquel was the one being interviewed

Rachel sure yes but it's like let's not forget that this reunion was three weeks after everyone found out all of this she has a restraining order against me and there's all of these things so what do you want to say to people who say, you know, that you went too hard on them at the reunion? I would say that I believe that my response to what was done to me in that moment was exactly what I would think any person would respond with in that moment.

I, you know, hearing Bethany say something about like, if that was my child, I would have murdered someone based on like some words that were said in response to what I endured for seven months and I just found out about. Well, you know, I'd like to say that I have a mother who feels pretty strongly about what was done to me for seven months behind my back. Yeah. And she certainly doesn't think that me responding to all of that with some harsh and warranted words is the worst thing that could happen. Right. If I sat down and had a conversation with her today, would I say the same things? Probably right but I was only going to speak to her that one time and never again I didn't have any other communication with her and I will never have any

other communication with her yeah totally it's like I can understand you know for Bethany to I mean clearly not have done enough research. You know, she has this girl on who she wants to defend and whatnot. And it's like, yeah, we did this for years. We were that person for her. So it's like, okay, not going to fault Bethany for wanting to

defend her. You know, we were so loyal to her. We like, the fact that she said you were no more than an acquaintance, an alliance, a co-worker. That was very hurtful. That she was using you to get closer to Tom. Yeah. That was very hurtful.

Because I wasn't using her for shit. I know. I just thought that we were friends. Literally. What do you have to say? And obviously I know the answers to all of these questions, but for the listeners, what do you have to say to her comment that she said,

you know, you guys never hung out outside of the show outside of obligations i would say that that's a very obvious that was a very obvious lie yeah or at least a very obvious when i think of someone lying i think of they're doing it on purpose i don't know if she's doing it on purpose or if she really understands that that statement right there could be so easily refuted with photographic evidence. Yeah. You know, up in the Saturday night before the Wednesday night that I found this out was an example of her and I hanging out off camera at Avalon. I saw that video.

And I remember during that time, I was already skeptical of her. I had already been questioning her and I sent that video to Jenny Ting and I was like what is happening here like what is this like they're not filming there's no requirement to hang out there is no call time and she's like dancing on you at whatever club you guys were at or festival. That was your friend. Yes. And if she feels otherwise, that sucks because it feels like she made,

I was very much under the impression that we were like really good friends. Yeah. And I didn't come to that impression lightly. It takes a lot for me sometimes to like really let people into what I consider when I say inner circle I mean like people we go on trips with people who I make sure had a place to stay for Coachella and things like that inviting people to music festivals you know that's Thanksgiving Thanksgiving um and if all of that was fake to her, that just really sucks for me because I it wasn't fake to me. There was even a time where Brock's family came in from Australia and I needed the apartment, which she couldn't even have toilet paper stocked for.

That's a whole other side topic. But I'm like, oh, my gosh. But she stayed with you guys because she's like I don't have any other friends I can stay with I'm just gonna call Ariana and see if I can stay with her you were her next person if it wasn't you it was me if it wasn't me it was you so for her to say this you know alliance like I'm sorry it's Vanderpump Rules it's not Big Brother okay we don't we're not doing It's like, I'm sorry, it's Vanderpump Rules. It's not Big Brother. Okay, we're not doing alliances.

We have genuine friendships. And that is the best part about our show. And that's what makes things like this even harder. You know, there was a 15 year friendship I had with this person who did this to you. And it's like, no, it's very, I think, I'm not sure whose decision it was to try to diminish the friendships and try to diminish what is a very real show. Yeah. I don't know whose decision it was to do that, but it was a bad decision and it was a very untrue statement or series of statements to make. I know Bethany did that as well, you know, saying that this is like a producer thing or things like that. And all that does

is diminish what I went through and still living it, still living through it. And what you went through and all these things that were very and are very real. Yeah. And i think i don't know if diminishing those things is a way to distance from like how hurtful it was or to make people think that it's not that big of a deal so like yeah you know fuck ariana and sheena like who gives a fuck if they're, you know, or like, oh, look, here's a picture of Sheena and Ariana looking happy on Instagram. They must have never cared about any of this. You know what I mean? And it's just very like. I don't I just think it's a it's a bad move. And I that again goes back to someone who I would think knows better. And that's Bethany so I think it was clear in this interview that Rachel was attempting to change the narrative she slept with her best friend's man you know when it's like you can see clips of her last season saying Ariana is my best friend in this group you can see a clip of her with me on the chicks in the office podcast where I even want to insert that audio here. Ariana and Sheena were the ones that really embraced me into this group and have been there for me since day one.

So like I know who my true friends are. Where she says Sheena and Ariana, like I know who my true friends are in this group. So you're just lying then? Well, that's the thing is I don't know at this point when these things, when was it a lie and when was it the truth? Because I feel like, you know, yeah, was she lying then? Or is she lying now? Not lying now, but is she, she like convincing herself of something else now?

I don't know. It's just sad. And it is really hurtful because I did see this girl. We both did. Like a little sister. Like more than just a co-worker, co-star, friend from sir.

I mean, if I thought someone was just a co-worker, co-star, they would not be coming mean, if I thought someone was just a co-worker, co-star, they would not be coming and staying in my Coachella house. Yeah. They would not be going to dinner with like me, you and Janet. They would not, I would not be doing matching Halloween costumes for Brad's birthday.

I wouldn't be doing any of those things with someone that's just like a co-worker, acquaintance. No. That's just not like, that's just like a co-worker acquaintance no that's just not like that's just not how it is for me and it just very I don't know it's very sad I just keep saying it's sad because it is it to me it is just very sad do you think there was any part of her when she was asking you private questions about your relationship with Tom and your intimacy. Do you think any part of her was trying to see how you would respond to see if he was telling her the truth? I honestly, I still like going back to that scene in that conversation.

There was like obviously so much more that didn't make it onto the show. Right. As is always the case, because we talk for a lot longer. to the show right as is always the case because we talk for a lot longer but like we were I was crying to her about how I have cellulite and how you know I was like we were we got deep in that conversation but we didn't have deep conversations according to her right but I still go back to that and can't really wrap my head around what was even like trying to be done or said or or like what was the motivation behind it in the moment I was just excited to be having this conversation with her as opposed to you know when I have conversations like that with Lala or Katie they're my friends and I know that people have misconstrued or it's my own fault that i

haven't explained what i meant when i said that they weren't in my inner circle it's not that we weren't friends or don't care about them and i don't think they care about me it's that like you were very much around my relationship on and off camera rachel was someone who was around off camera. Rachel was someone who was around. Logan and Brad are people who would see me and my ex together all the time off camera. So when observations were made about my relationship by Lala and or Katie around that time, some of those observations ended up being completely accurate and completely true. But when they weren't around for say like music festivals trips dinners hanging out at the house just chilling so it was hard for me to say like have those conversations with people like lala or katie in that moment because it was like

but you guys don't actually see the relationship often yeah Yeah. And I would always be like, you got to go to, if you want to know what the relationship is, you got to, like when I think Lala did one of those interviews that we used to do the after show interviews. And she was like, oh, everyone thinks that Tom and Ariana

are never affectionate off camera. And I'm like, that's a question for someone like Logan. Right. Who actually is around us, not Lala. Because Logan and Brad would be like, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I see them being affectionate all the time.

Right. But like, again, going back to this whole thing, I was excited to have that conversation with her because I felt like, oh, this is someone who's actually around a lot. Yeah. And this was someone who was one of your closest friends like yeah I'm sorry you don't just drive to Orange County and rush our traffic to go support an acquaintance in a pageant you made signs I got markers and glitter we were there literally we her family wasn't even there her family wasn't there and we were there

We were the only people there for her Cause we were the closest people Outside of her family Because we cared Literally we wanted to support her And we wanted to be there for her We knew it was a big deal for her We knew it was potentially her last time

I even stayed after With Tom obviously but I even stayed after to make sure I was able to like see her and you know say good job and all this stuff before she you know went off to bed and it's like you know that just sucks because it feels like she didn't care she doesn't care about any of that yeah and it just kind of goes back to this thing of like feeling sad and feeling like no one cared. No one cared about me. The two of them,

they didn't care about me. They didn't care about me at all. They didn't care that Charlotte died. They didn't care my grandma died. They didn't care about what this might do to me. They didn't care about what, they didn't care at all. Every I love you was a fake.

Every time I thought we were all joking around, having fun, it was a fake. It was like a inside joke between the two of them. I was a joke. I was a fucking joke. And so, yeah, I'm going to have some pretty harsh words for people who treated me like a literal just piece of trash. Yeah.

That didn't care what happened to me at all. And still to this day, I've not been remorseful about it. So it's like, thank God I'm doing OK. But would they only be remorseful if I wasn't? It's a really good question. We're going to take a quick little break and we'll be right back. All right. And our next partner on shenanigans today is Brock's personal favorite, which has now become one of my favorite things to do in my morning routine. And that is a G one. They are the daily foundational nutrition supplement that supports whole body health. So I decided I had to give a G one to try because a I was tired

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Like, what do you think Tom's plan actually was? I know what he's told me, but what do you think it was? I mean, I do think his plan was to break up with me, go on Winterhouse. He didn't, like, break up with me, not tell anybody, go on Winterhouse, be able to be the like, you know, the guy that everyone loves bringing all the lights and the costumes and the whatever. And then come back. And I don't know if it would be before or after the reunion or whatever.

And then just like, oh, lo and behold, we just started dating for whatever reason. Oops. lo and behold, we just started dating for whatever reason. Oops. Right. And, you know, I understand that the other part of that plan was the seed planting throughout season 10 of all these. Listen, our relationship had issues. Every relationship has every relationship has issues. Our relationship had issues. We were in couples therapy, which obviously was also a lie facade. But I thought we were in couples therapy to make our relationship better. And shocker, it was getting better based on his own testimony.

But he was already, you know, well out the door because he's having an affair and doesn't understand how dopamine works and things like that affair brain as they call it and i think that part of those the seed planting was all of this stuff that i'm just the worst and i know that season 11 is going to be a lot of that he is going to be spending obviously we that. He is going to be spending, obviously we don't film together. I don't film with him. I think there's like some confusion because there's been some all cast things that have happened

where I've been in the same vicinity as him. But to make it very clear, he and I do not film together. I have not forgiven him. We are not cool. That has not like changed at all. But I know that he will spend probably every single episode trashing me in our relationship

because in the same vein as this podcast that happened with Bethany, it serves him in some way to do that. And it's really upsetting because if anybody's able to trash anyone in the situation it should be me yeah because i was done dirty and i did not do him dirty whatsoever yeah no you never did anything wrong just because the relationship wasn't perfect and it had issues just because i'm an insufferable twat doesn't mean that I deserve what happened. You know what I'm saying?

Like, but I mean, like, it's like, yeah, you can say that I am annoying. You can say that I'm moody. You can say a lot of things about me. I know that I can be a freaking bitch. Right. But so can every single other person on this planet. And I was very much invested in my relationship, very much invested in building a future with this person. And, you know, I was, like I said,

in the finale, ready and willing to do all of the steps necessary to make the relationship what it had the potential to be. Yeah. And yeah. So that's what I think the plan was. be yeah and yeah so that's what i i think the plan was rachel relayed to bethany that you and tom were broken up when you discovered the evidence of the affair on she's referring to the valentine's day conversation in which he continued to sleep in my bed afterwards there was a there was a long conversation i spoke about this conversation on caller daddy at length about this valentine's day conversation and i gotta go ahead and tell you guys that a conversation that was had on valentine's day two weeks before i found this out does not change a single thing no and, if you guys were fully broken up,

I don't think you would have been at TomTom that night at his show supporting him. We've all seen videos of you right there cheering him on. If he was staying in someone else's apartment, packed a bag, said, no, for real, this is over, packed a bag and left, then no, I obviously would not have been there. Exactly.

She also said that if she felt your relationship had any longevity she never would have entered the affair she claimed that your relationship was that of two business partners or roommates and you were only together because you were tied to one another through your brand as a couple. There's a lot wrong with that. What was the first part? She said that she felt your relationship had no longevity. I would go as far as to say that nine years, which is about a third of my life.

Well, I guess I'm older now, so whatever. Almost a quarter of my life. That's what we in the real world call longevity. Nine years is longevity. If she was being told that other stuff about brand, business, blah, blah, blah. She was being told that from the other party in the relationship as a way to justify or get away with what was happening behind my back and if that is the opinion that was an opinion held by one person in the relationship yeah that person is not me never once ever looked at my relationship as a business or a brand that's fucking weird yeah i don't kiss my business partners i don't

cuddle with them in bed no i don't try i don't plan trips they're not my wedding date they're not like i don't do shit like that with business partners no i could understand tom tom that being a brand and a business because the only brand and business thing that we did together was your book, the book. And Alka-Seltzer. I'm trying to think if if there were other. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I want to add on to that.

I think everyone knows that's silly. No, I don't think there's totally there's certainly not like a large percentage of people who heard that and went, oh, yeah, that's silly no i don't think there's totally uh there's certainly not like a large percentage of people who heard that and went oh yeah that sounds totally right no and i want to add on to that too i didn't appreciate bethany she had comments where she was asking like what's the big deal you know in regards to you and tom weren't married you didn't have kids it's like first of all you'd been together for almost a decade. You shared pets together, a mortgage. I mean, he was your common law spouse.

You didn't have to have it on paper, you know, like it was almost a decade. So, well, I also find that hurtful in regards to other women who are in relationships that don't have children because maybe they can't have children or they don't want to have children or they don't want to get married none of those women or none of those people's relationships are less meaningful because of that yeah and again it goes back to you know she should know better yeah than to say that about anybody totally last thing on this topic they both suggested that by you still living in the same house it's either proof that one the scandal was a fabrication to save the show so hurtful or that you and tom were just comfortable existing

as roommates for a long time already you know what there's something to be said for that just towards the end of while he was having the affair i have to say him being like staying out late all the time was always something that gave me like really made my anxiety like super super bad never knowing when he was gonna come in the door never knowing how late he's gonna stay out he'd say he's gonna be out till 12 and it's two or three and he's still out. And I'm like, what's I can sleep. You know what? In that regard, I have to say I sleep a lot easier at night, not giving a fuck about when he's coming in that door. That's one thing I have to say about, yes, we're in the same house, but I don't have to think about he's coming in my bedroom cause he's not, I sleep with my door locked. Yeah. Just in case, just in case.

But, um, that is so incredibly hurtful because you, them saying that there's a fabrication to save the show. First of all, our show was not getting canceled. No, I don't know where this came from, but we were, that was not like a no i don't know where this came from but we were that was not like a

thing that was like we weren't on the chopping block from last season to so this and so that right there out the window yeah but that being said i'm the one who made production aware when i found out right like the next day actually I said something to them I would not do that because I wanted to save the show that I'm like I love the show don't get me wrong I love the show I love our crew I love our production company all of that but that is certainly not my motivation in life is like let me save the show by like my whole life falling apart, blowing up, having to start over. I mean, you obviously saw me in the next few days after that. That is not anywhere near the truth.

No. And again, they both know better. Yeah. On that on that tip, they both know better. Not just Bethany. Yeah. And to suggest that, oh, I'm living in my listen i pay a mortgage right it's expensive i think a lot of people on the internet seem to think that i'm like rolling

in money right now i have a lot of places that that money has to go before i get to just freaking be like Scrooge McDuck, okay? I am not rich. I do not have millions of dollars. And I'm also not going to squander my financial future and stability by putting myself in a position to fuck myself over for the rest of my life because somebody else fucked up. I have a pretty decent little setup. I stay in my room or I go in the kitchen. I have to, whatever. But like my room is like kind of like a little apartment, right? I don't see him. I don't interact with him. I stay in my own little zone. I'm busy. I got a lot going

on and I have financial advisors. I have a lawyer. I have an accountant. I have all kinds of people that are helping me make the best decisions so that whatever money I'm making now or whatever money I have or could potentially get in the future goes to the right places to set me up for not being in the position that I was years ago before I was making money on this show at all, which was not good. I've never been someone who came from money and I don't intend to fuck myself over when it comes to money because I know how quickly that shit goes away. So I'm taking care of myself. I'm taking care of Maya and Kitty. Kitty is very old.

In the past, when I have moved with her, she will, has darted out the door, climbed up a tree and had to have the fire department called. I know she's older now, but like cats are very territorial and I do not want to fuck with her in that way because I don't know how much longer I have with her.

I just lost Charlotte. I know that Kitty's older. She's probably next. And I want her last years or last time to be one that is stable and positive. And if I can move once, I will move once. But I am not fucking around with my life and I'm not letting someone else's horrible decisions ruin my future.

So I'm taking care of myself. Yeah. Well, good. I love that you're putting yourself first. Well, somebody's got to, you know. All right, guys. Last break. I promise we'll be right back. And now because it's Friday, it's Factor Friday. It's the time where I talk to you about my favorite at-home meal delivery, which is also America's number one ready-to-eat meal delivery kit that comes delivered straight to my door every week. I get my smoothies. They also have pressed juices. I get my meals. And especially y'all, while I have been filming this summer and I have been so busy, this has been the one thing making sure I'm always fed when I have just a quick break in between scenes, in between nap, bedtime. I got appointments. You know, mama is busy. So Factor makes it so easy to

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I don't think that there has been a difference in how they've been portrayed. I think that there's a difference in how both of them decided to move within their own lives and the decisions that they made on their own after the fact that did kind of change in terms of, change in terms of like she went away and aside from sending postcards to my house and whatever else she was very much like away right he decided to do this tour and he decided to come back to the show right she was offered to do so and she decided against it. I would argue that I think not coming back to the show. Well, except for obviously her reasons why we're about not getting paid.

Right. Which our pay scale works on seniority number of seasons. So that was like, obviously never going to be a thing. But that being said, I would argue that I think that that's the right decision, especially if you are, you know, kind of struggling with your mental health and how you're handling the fallout of what happened and your actions and the consequences and all of that. I honestly think that that's a wise decision. I also think it's a wise decision to not be in contact with him because it seems as though, you know, he kind of whatever. I can't speak about their relationship.

I don't know a whole lot about it, but I think that that's also probably best for her. If I was her friend or her sister or someone that's close to her, I would say that seems like the right thing to do. But he accepted the offer to come back to season 11 of Vanderpump Rules and he decided to go on this tour and do these things. That was his decision and therefore there's like some differences

in how people are seeing. But I actually feel, I don't know about the portrayal aspect. I don't see a difference because I think he's gotten it pretty right but she said that the backlash is unfair and disproportionately towards her I I mean I guess I just feel like I haven't I see a lot of backlash towards him so I guess it's hard for me to say but at least when it comes to me he's gotten it a lot worse for me than she did so right but it is interesting too how of course

for like her mental health and where she was at after coming out of this facility going back into what some people feel is a toxic environment when it's you're on a reality show can be especially in the especially right now yes yes when you're not coming back to. It absolutely can be, especially right now. Yes. Yes. When you're not coming back to a group of your friends anymore. But then it's like, you said that you would if the price was right. If you made as much as Tom and Ariana,

you would have come back. And then Bethany, there was a comment she made where she was like, yeah, the amount of money you made is what I pay my interns. And then did you see Lisa on TMZ? I did.

Which I also can back up. I know for a fact because Rachel thanked me for getting her with the attorney she was with last season because he was able to negotiate her $19,000 an episode. Wow. Times 19 episodes. $361,000. Wow. Any intern who's making that? Dang, I want to be an intern.

Do you feel that the audience and media is usually harder on the woman though than the man in these situations? I definitely feel like that is something that there is truth to that because I've definitely, listen, there's people right now who are coming after me, coming at me. Oh, by the way, I've had people texting, oh, I told definitely, listen, there's people right now who are coming after me, coming at me.

Oh, by the way, I've had people texting. Oh, I told you this before. Texting me from fake Google numbers with like threats and things like that. So there's not just one person who's getting threats. And maybe I should call the FBI. But like literally like she's not the only one in this. You know what I mean? And I, it's very fucked up the way that some people go,

go really overboard and contact. But I definitely feel like there is truth to that because even when it comes to my house and getting that figured out, there are people coming at me left and fucking right about my financial decisions and like what Bethany did what she said and then igniting her doing that ignites all kinds of people on the internet who think that this is like all some sort of hoax like literally fucking diminish everything I've been through as some sort of hoax some sort of ratings grab some sort sort of whatever. Yeah. And none of those people are harassing my ex to get the fuck out of the house.

He wrecked. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I feel like even in that regard, I get it and he doesn't. So I definitely feel like there's a lot of that just in general, since the dawn of time, there's definitely been that thing of like, yeah, the women get it harder than men do.

I mean, I'm still season 11, a homewrecking whore. You know, the show, the way it started, it's like I've never seen really anything negative about Eddie in the press. Yet I'm still getting that. And it's just right. Yeah. I feel like it's one of those things. That's very, very true. Yeah.

Do you think there's anything Rachel could have done differently in how she's handled the fallout? Like, she could have been honest, you know, from day one, though. She could have come to me and said, hey, your boyfriend's hitting on me. Like, literally last summer, she could have come to me and said, you're a really good friend to me. And I need to tell you something that's making me uncomfortable the way that he's acting towards me that would have been fantastic yeah i also feel like at any given point during that affair there could have been a conversation or there could have been a she could have been like hey sheena can you help me tell her what's

going on i still wouldn't be friends with her or him but at least it you know what i'm saying like yeah wouldn't have been so traumatic in the way that it happened and then i think now if she you know went to this place and came out and if everything had just happened the way it just happened, right? And she went on this exact same podcast and then just didn't talk about me at all. That would have been better. Yeah. Because it's kind of like weird how I would be brought into this thing as if I've done anything to either of them.

Mm-hmm. So. Yeah. Yeah. You said about how it happened and regarding the video you found on Tom's phone. It seems as though Rachel's more upset at the thought that you might have shared this video with others and that, you know, she's mad at Tom, obviously, for recording it in the first place. Sure. Which also contradicts her narrative against women receiving this disproportionate blame than men.

But why do you think it seems like she's still kind of protecting Tom? Yes, it does. But also to be very clear, I have not shown. I know. Or sent that video. I don't have it. I did not hold on to it for any reason. It wasn't sent to the iCloud.

So that video was gone, gone, gone, gone, gone before I ever even called her on the phone. Yeah. And just so everyone knows, I saw about maybe five seconds of that. I wasn't sitting there like opening popcorn for midnight. So I know that she said that it's like the people know about what's in it. It's very simple. Yeah. I mean, there's not told I'm not going to get into the details, but there's not a lot of details.

It's very straightforward. So it's like I would love to see her name, the people, you know, who have supposedly seen this. Well, that's the thing is it's just like it's really it's really fucked up to try to even my well the other thing is that my lawyer made all of that very clear the second that she sent when she sent a cease and desist to the entire cast as a precaution definitely think that's a great idea i think that's the right thing to do. Totally understand why that would be sent out. Great precaution to take. You should take that precaution.

My lawyer responded to said precaution with very thorough, very clear information that proved and showed. It was like, absolutely not. Here you go. Here's proof. All this stuff. Yeah. And I think regardless of anything, we can all agree if she was recorded without her consent. Like, that is a big issue.

That is a big issue. And that is something that she should address with him directly. With him. And leave you alone. I kind of want to go back to how she was saying, you know, that she felt maybe like part of this scandal was fabricated, you know, to save the show. I know there was something she said Alex Baskin, our EP of VPR, had relayed in an interview where he said that the show was going to be canceled if it wasn't for the scandal. And it's like, no, I think what he said was after season nine and the pandemic season, we were so lucky the show didn't get canceled and we got another chance. Season 10 without any of this was a stellar fucking season, you know?

So it's like. And everyone was happy. Yeah. From the top down. Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like there has been any part of this scandal that has been fabricated aside from, you know, the fact that they were not telling the truth and concealing that in that way? No. Yeah. I wish that would be so nice because then I could just be like, la-di-da, ha-ha-ha. You know, I'm not actually feeling any of these things. It's just all, you know, whatever.

That would be nice, huh? Yeah. Be nice if, you know, TRO is just a fabrication. Wouldn't that be nice? Literally. And I want to talk about that too, like kind of to wrap things up because she did make some comments about the restraining order. You guys can go back and listen to my podcast with Nima, my lawyer and Lala. We have talked about this so much.

But I just want to say, like, if Rachel was just honest and said, you know, hey, my crisis PR, you know, suggested this strategy, you know, filing the restraining order to take the heat off me at the moment or, you know, it was wrong. It was selfish. You didn't deserve that. I mean, if she could have just been honest about how all of this unfolded instead of trying to like follow her PR talking points. I mean, we know better than anyone she's very rehearsed and she has her keywords that she needs to hit in her statements. And if she doesn't, like Lala says, she kind of short circuits where it's like, oh shit, that didn't go as planned. Like I need to use the word vitriol and I need to use salacious or whatever, you know how she does those things.

But it's like, the problem is that she's just throughout all of this, that the TMZ setups, the interview soundbites, it's like nothing has truly been authentic and genuine. I feel like changed her story a few times of the reasoning behind it. At first, it was a cooling off period, you know, for the reunion. And then Tom had told me that her family pressured her into this. And now on Bethany, she's saying she didn't feel safe because of the fist emoji on having your back. fist emoji on having your back. And like, first of all, anyone who types in punch on your phone in a text, the punch emoji is like a boxing glove or it's a different fist that has like a wrist.

If you type in fist bump, got your back. It's a fist bump. So I feel like she's just changed her narrative so many times, you know? But at the end of the day, we know this idea was first suggested to her by her crisis PR as a way to save her image, to be the victim. And it's just not true. It's not true.

And I think that overall, you know you know read these recaps and knowing like what was said I think that overall it's just again it's kind of heartbreaking to think that this years of friendship that both you and I thought we were building with this person that it feels as though on her end it it wasn't actually genuinely reciprocated. Yeah. And. Knowing that those things are being said on this podcast about us and about me and my friendship towards her that I felt was really meaningful. was really meaningful it's kind of just like it's another little twist of the knife to say I was only really hanging out with you to get to your boyfriend or things like you know changing this like not being able to just say I again yeah the crisis PR told me this or whatever. And I guess it just, I hope that going forward, she's somehow able to get, I don't want to say this cause it sounds really harsh, but it reminds me of when Laura

Lee said, pull the victim tampon out of your ass. Listen, I have to pull the victim tampon out of your ass listen i have to pull the victim victim tampon out of my ass a little bit because i understand that you know my partner obviously was feeling some type of way and i'd you know venture as far as to say like a lot of that comes from his own fucked up shit and not for me people don't cheat because of you they cheat because of themselves right so he's going through some shit whatever but at the same time i think that trying to victimize herself at least when it comes to like me and you yeah is very sad and i hope that in the next bit of the future she's able to get with maybe a therapist who understands maybe a little bit more of the context of the situation and helps her to not do that and to grow. And

honestly, I wish her the best in Arizona. I think that she is about to be 30 or something like that and she can go live a long happy life I just think that staying away from all of this is probably the best move yeah agreed yeah well thank you so much for being here and sitting down with me I know this stuff isn't always easy to talk about, but I love you. I love you. And I just wanted you to get your thoughts out there because I don't like when there's so many lies about my best friend being said.

I don't like it when it's about you either. It makes me mad. I always got your back. Got your back, bro. And go and pre-order Ariana's new book Single AF Cocktails I'm so excited I can't wait for it to come out

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