Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Booted in Boots – Why We Were Kicked Out of Stagecoach…

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

This week, Scheana and Kiki are joined in the studio by Jasmine Goode from “The Valley.” Scheana & Jasmine address why they got booted from James’ set at Stagecoach. When does a Taylor Swift concert trump attending a friend’s wedding? Who is the #1 guy in “The Valley” group? And how might the VPR group dynamic be different if Tom had taken accountability? Plus, Kristen is being iced out of the crew – how can Scheana make this about herself? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guest: @jasminegoode_ @thetalkofshameThe video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, May 3rd. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Episode Sponsors:Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code GOODASGOLD at OSEAMalibu.comTaking care of your health starts here. Go to nurx.com/GOODASGOLD to get started.Get 20% off on your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/summerhoneyNeed to find the perfect gift? Don't panic. Try Gift Mode on Etsy now!Visit maidenform.com and use code Scheana20 at checkout for 20% off your first purchase.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. owners, wellness experts, and more to share all of their best advice for you to live your best life. Make sure to tune in and subscribe to my podcast and follow me on Instagram at Mariana underscore Hewitt to see what's coming up each week so you don't miss an episode. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between, it's time to catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Shenanigans.

I'm very excited for today's show because I've got some of my favorite ladies sitting on the couch across from me. Football fans may recognize her from her days as a member of the iconic Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Bachelor Nation and myself fell in love with her when we watched her go after Nick Viles' heart. We'll get into that a little more. And now she is setting up shop in the Valley. Please welcome my girl, Jasmine Good. How are we doing? Hello, everybody.

Recovering from stagecoach. Yes, my voice is like shot. I feel like death. But I'm here. We'll get into all of it. You also follow her on the talk of shame on Instagram and TikTok and know her from Sirius XM's reality track, the host of the pop crime podcast as well. Miss Kiki Monique, how we doing?

I am really good today. Good. You're looking good. Well, you know, I am going through a full transition into Suzy Carmichael from Rugrats. I ripped my eyelashes out. I'm about to take these nails off. I'm getting braids. So it's happening.

Oh, I can't wait to see it. It's all happening. Yes. Love it. Well, I can't wait to see it. It's all happening. Yes. Love it. Well, the nails are looking good. Last time you were missing one. Yeah. At least you have all 10.

No lashes, but you got nails. Oh, so this weekend, Jasmine and I were at Stagecoach. I want to know what was your rose? What was your thorn? I know what mine was. Okay. My thorn was Eric Church.

He sucks. Oh, yeah. He was another thorn. Oh, he was so bad. It felt like we were at a funeral. He took us to church, which was great, but not the vibe on a Friday at a festival. No. So that was really sad.

Yeah. Disappointing. Let's see. My rose, is that what you asked me? Would be, oh, man, so many moments oh morgan wallen yeah so good so good yeah i was gonna say my thorn was getting escorted out by security from the james kennedy set i forgot about that yeah we got kicked out i mean it was a full scene. I can't believe, I mean, actually, I haven't even looked. People were recording.

No, I know. I'm like, I can't believe this hasn't ended up on TMZ, but I also haven't looked. I'm sure someone would have told me if they saw it. I haven't seen it, and I mean, I'm a digger. Yeah. Yeah, that was bad. I forgot about that. We're all there.

We have artist guest bands. We get driven in on a golf cart. They drop us off right at the trailer. We're like, we're here for James. They're like, he's right over there. Go into the trailer. We get driven in on a golf cart. They drop us off right at the trailer. We're like, we're here for James. They're like, he's right over there. Go into the trailer. We're hanging out. We all walk in with him backstage in the Honky Tonk,

which is the Yuma tent at Coachella. So they have this area to the side of the DJ where it's like a VIP area. You're not just shoved in the crowd with the thousand, 2000, however many people can fit in that tent. So they let us walk in. We go right past security. James is like, this is my group. They're going over here. Brock takes my phone because apparently his has no storage. I didn't even know that was still on iPhones. I'm like, what do you mean you ran out

of storage? So he takes my phone, goes up on stage with James. He's capturing the best content. Like if you guys follow, it's now just at Brock on Instagram. He got the handle, but he has been crushing it with the content lately. So he just posted this like really dope reel of all of James like behind the scenes and on stage and whatnot. So we walk in, we're all in the VIP area. He does his intro. We're dancing. We're having fun.

All of a sudden security comes over. Like was at least four of them. Yeah. Yeah. Flashing their light. Like where's your wristband? Show us your wristband. And I'm like,

I feel like we have this guest band and they're like, no, you have to have the red and white one. Like the little shitty paper one to be in that area. And I was like, oh, okay and i was like oh okay i was like i'm sorry like my husband is on stage recording content right now someone i know was supposed to bring us those wristbands but then it was his set time and so we're like oh we're just gonna go in we got walked in maybe you should check your guy at the door who let us walk in so now they're causing a scene they're screaming at us i will cut your fucking wristband off if

you don't get out now i was like what talk to your employees i didn't let myself in here we walk in your way yeah our problem so then there's all these fans recording and i was like oh no no i was like i'm just gonna leave i'm not arguing with like these security guards i'm just gonna walk out so i said i'm not leaving until my husband who's on stage recording content for the talent who's on stage comes down he has my phone and i'm not just leaving like he has my phone and so ali calls my phone while he's filming and he sees it and i'm like waving him like get down so he comes down we walk out and he's like what just happened and then brock was like we don't have to act so entitled i was like honey no you didn't okay that is not what this is i said first of all i had a

woman security guard and three men very aggressively come up start screaming at me that they're gonna cut off my fucking wristband if i don't exit immediately and i was like this was not me being like i'm supposed to be here i'm vip i was just like we were let in we were told to stand here and I'm not now that I have all these cameras on me gonna get shoved into a crowd of fans I'm happy to go outside and take photos and meet people but you're not shoving me into that yeah so we left yeah that's smart no that's crazy yeah it was a lot of drama but I'll be looking for that video when I get out of here. I don't know if I've even seen it yet. I'm like praying it's not out there.

Yeah. So then we just went over, saw our friend DJ Silver DJ, and that was so much fun. And then the rest of the night, it was great. But my rose, I would have to say, was John Stamos and the Beach Boys. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. That's really cute. Iconic.

He did forever. And just like my full house inner child came out. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. That's really cute. Iconic. He did Forever and just like My Full House Inner Child came out. That was cute. And there were like flashbacks on screen. It was so sweet

and sad but it was really good. Yeah. He could still get it for sure. Oh, my God. He's a good looking guy. Gorgeous.

Yeah. He gets better looking with age. It's the Greek gene. Yeah. Literally. Fine like wine. Yeah.

Aging. I just can't believe that somehow Jasmine and Melissa are at the entire Beach Boys set. And I'm talking about John Stamos after Melissa goes, oh my God, I love John Stamos. He came out and I go, he was out the whole time. Did you not look up at the screen once? She's like, oh my God, I love him. I'm like, babe, he's right there. He sang. he played guitar,

he played drums, he sang. Blame it on the alcohol. I'm just gonna blame it on the alcohol. There's a lot going on. Yeah. I was like, I don't know how you missed that entire 50 minutes of John Stamos on stage while you were at the set. But yeah, pretty incredible. I'm so curious,

Jasmine, do people give you shit for liking Morgan Whalen? Is it Whalen? Is that? Whalen. Whalen. Oh, because he threw the chair? I mean, all of those things. Like, it just seems like I never see like black fans of Morgan Whalen.

I mean, I only got into like his music because of Melissa. My girlfriend, she loves country music. So I kind of just didn't even know what he looked like at first. I just would hear his songs all the time playing in the apartment. I'm like, oh, I love this song. Great. Let's go. But to be saying I'm a super fan, I wouldn't say that. But it was a good show to watch. No, my friends love him. And I'm like, oh, I love this song. Great, let's go. But to be saying I'm a super fan,

I wouldn't say that, but it was a good show to watch. No, my friends love him and I'm like, I'm just like, he seems problematic, but then also all of my favorite artists have kind of been problematic.

Exactly. I'm like, I'm from Jersey. Throw a chair, flip a table, like whatever. I'm here for it. Flip a table. Yes. He also brought out Post Malone.

They have a new song together. That's another Rose of mine. Oh, Post. How could I forget Post? I met Post again. And I mean, he, yeah, so good. But he is the nicest celebrity I think I've ever, ever met. Like by far, it wasn't just like a hi.

It was questions, engaging, please help yourself to whatever. His aunt asked how Summer Moon was. And Post goes, wait, what'd you say about sailor moon and she was no summer moon and then i was like oh that's my daughter and he's like wait hold on my aunt knows your daughter and then brock was talking to his dad and it was just it was a family affair backstage and it was so awesome so really overall good weekend that's good it was it was yeah super nice guy now we're paying for it but um yeah now we're paying for it i felt like jasmine almost wasn't going to make it because

our friend elaine was low-key holding her hostage and was like just stay one more day she calls me yesterday love her but has the audacity at 5 p.m. last night to be like, can Jasmine just do a Zoom podcast tomorrow instead so she can stay? She was my assistant or something. I was like, no, we do in person. We film our content. We don't do Zoom unless I absolutely have to with someone overseas. Yeah. No, no.

I told her, I was like, no, I have to be there. Like, I have to go. So I kept saying like, yeah, yeah, no. So I was like, I'm just going to say, I'm going to get up early. I'm like, oh my God, I'm scared. You know, you know me with the locations. 10 p.m. Jasmine still in La Quinta. I was like, I know she is looking at my location.

I told Melissa, I know she is looking at my location right now. Like freaking out. Thinking I'm not going to be there. And I was like, I wandered this morning while I'm driving. She could see me moving. Hopefully she knows I'm coming. I was talking to Janet last night and I was like, wait, you're podcast today right because just in case I was like okay Kiki can be here but I'm like I just want to make sure in case Jasmine doesn't make it but Janet's doing Daniel Pellegrino

literally right now oh wow and so I told her just what happened and then this morning she texted me she goes wait is Jasmine on her way home now now I'm invested and they go oh shit I hope so and I was like well let me check on my find my app oh my god and she was so I made it I love you I'm here yeah but see now to go back to the locations we were talking about this this weekend you're a person who shares your location you don't think that's weird no not at all yeah I think it's great especially I'm not from LA so when I first moved out here meeting friends meeting close to someone it's nice having like the location and safety um I don't know I don't have a problem with it I don't get the big deal I'm just like the other day I you popped into my head because somebody was like oh you know can you do this and I was like oh no I'm not home and I was like I was like they don't

have my location because I don't share my location but I was like I'm lying right now and they were like you're at home I see that's the one thing that's like oh crap like I did it with Zach Zach's always like hey do you want to come I'm like no I'm like you know I'm not home yet I'm like yeah oh wait he can check my location I am now you have to drive get an uber like right I'm like dang it I know but it was also helpful at the festival this weekend I even posted I was looking for Jennyenny ting and we have our home base at main stage but it shifted a little to the left this year it's usually like right here and so i was like oh i could just look at my find my friends app which is now just called find my by the way there's no more friends and apparently that was a whole thing in her marriage recently

where she needed her husband to come and like pick. She's like, just look at my location. It's on the Find My Friends app. Like you have my location. And he was like trying to download Find My Friends. And he's like, there's no Find My Friends app. Just find mine. You know, we've we've upgraded, rebranded, so to call it. But yeah, so it worked out because I was like, oh, there she is. Right there.

Right there. Boom, found it. Love it. But anyways, we are going to take a quick little break and then when we get back, I have a fun game of Valley Superlatives. BRB? All right.

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I saw the premiere was like the highest on peacock for a first season ever yeah some crazy shit so amazing but i want to see how you would rate your cast mates with a game of the valley superlatives and kiki feel free to join us in give us your take you know as a bra a Bravo insider. So, I'll name off a superlative and you just tell me who fits into it best. You can also pick yourself. Okay. Ready? Most punctual.

Ooh. Punctual. Probably, I would say Janet. Okay. Favorite couple? Me and Danny. Biggest ego? Jesse? Mm-hmm. Biggest ego? Jesse. Most improved from beginning of the season to the end? Oh, my God.

Most improved? Ooh, I would say... Oh, that's hard. I don't think anybody's improved. Least improved. I'm just kidding. Who started strong and finished last oh god oh man that's a really hard i would say maybe like luke he's picking it up a little bit i feel like

he was kind of slow and now he's like getting like finding his i will say i really yeah i like never filmed forever no totally but that's the beauty i think of people on their first season is they don't know what the fuck they're doing and they're just themselves and they're authentic. And I really liked how he was pretty stern with Kristen and explained to her why she was wrong. Because, you know, it's one thing when you have a partner

who is supportive, but it's another when they're just your yes man and they're just supporting every single thing you do and they're never giving you any constructive criticism or helping you grow so I did really appreciate seeing that I wasn't expecting that from him and the lens I'm looking at him through like I was not attracted to him

episode one and this episode I was like god his arms are like he has like Ryan Gosling arms like really nice like why am I attracted to Luke and I think it's just because he's getting like more aggressive which I like yeah he like supports her like of course like she's wrong but like has her back in front of the group. And then behind the scenes, he's like, no, bitch, you're wrong.

Right. You shouldn't have done that. Yeah. Like you're crazy. So I like it too. When you go from the double interview to the single and then you're getting the rest of their story. Yeah.

That's really good. We need more of that on Vanderpump. I know. Yeah. Do that. Biggest gossip. Ooh. Right now itgest gossip? Ooh, right now,

it has to be Janet, I would say. I mean, it's kind of like a tie. I mean, we all, we're all watching the same show,

but definitely Jax, of course. Yeah. But from what I'm seeing now, because there's, you know, the conversations that are filmed,

I'm not there all the time. So now it's looking like Janet might be the one that's, you know, the gossip right now. So she's holding that crown. It cracked me up when

Jason was like, look, Janet left her job to have a baby. I didn't know she was going to pick up another full-time job as a gossiper. I know. I was like, damn. She was like, you know, Jasmine should know this and I should know that Jasmine knows this. I was like, I'm confused. What just happened?

There were so many, like, my name was popular. I was like, what just happened? I was like, okay. It's like the stay-at-home parent thing where then it's like you get out and you're like, I'm confused. What just happened? There were so many, like, my name was popular. I was like, what just happened? I was like, okay. It's like the stay-at-home parent thing where then it's like you get out and you're like, wow, you're just like invested in everyone else's drama. Exactly. All right. Best hostess.

Ooh. Britney. Yeah. Most relatable storyline. Ooh. I would say, I'm not a mother, but definitely Nia. Just hearing the feedback that everyone's getting. Yeah, I'm supposed to say

Nia right now. Yeah, I feel like that is something that I know must have been so challenging to film, especially as a former pageant queen who always tries to be perfect and be on and have a smile and Disney princess to just really being raw and authentic.

It's been so sad to watch as someone, you know, I care about to see them going through this, but so amazing that she let her walls down and opened up because I told her this at the beginning of the season. I was like, Nia, you have no idea. It feels hard now. You are going to be helping so many women. So just like stick it out.

You've got this. Yeah. And she was like struggling so much during it. And I'm like,'s what i told her you've got this yeah and she was like struggling so much during it and i'm like i don't know how you've been doing this right now you have like like she's up here early filming with us i'm like i know kids and danny's are like four kids i'm like i don't know how literally girl like just for her to be so open to it's like really nice yeah you know some people try to hide stuff yeah no i agree and if you hide it it will come out thank you maybe the next season or the reunion but it comes out don't do reality tv if you don't have anything to come out that's all i'm gonna say we'll get into some of that too okay uh mvp of the season oh man mvp i would say it's probably tied between Jason and myself.

Because we both were kind of like, trying to bring everybody together. Number one guy in the group. Oh my God. Right now it's definitely not Jax. I'm just going to say put that one on hold. No one right now? Maybe Danny?

Over Jason? Oh, no. Yeah, Jason. Okay, I'll give it to you you're right i was curious though because like i was surprised to find out you were so close to jacks are you close to both jacks and britney or were you close to jacks first closer to britney because okay got it and britney you know they went to college together together so i knew her first and jacks we worked a little bit at sir like this last I think it was like the last season he filmed yeah okay and then yeah okay

peacemaker myself pot stir oh god everyone no literally um pot stir I feel like everybody likes to stir the pot in this game a little bit you know everybody does it in their own way makes it great to watch

not immediately Kristen oh I mean that's a given but the thing about Kristen she's not like a little bit. You know, everybody does it in their own way. Makes it great to watch. Not immediately, Kristen. Oh, I mean, that's a given. But the thing about Kristen, she's not like really stirring the pot. She just drops bombs. You know what I mean? Like, sometimes I can stir the pot but I'm not like dropping all the bombs. She just drops it. There's no pot. The pot is just there's no pot. And the thing about

Kristen, which I made some notes on this and I want to talk a little bit more about in a bit, is I don some notes on this and I want to talk a little bit more about in a bit is I don't even think sometimes she realizes what she's doing. Yeah. She says the things, not realizing the repercussions. And then it's like, what? I know. Why is everyone mad at me? Yeah. And I'm like, it is like process. I think it's all after. Do you think that that has always been her personality or do you think because she's been in reality so long that that's just what she's used to and knows what will drive rating I mean you wouldn't know better than that

I honestly think it's always been her personality and to kind of relate unfortunately for me watching back this season even on this week's episode seeing some of the things I say in front of Ariana that I wouldn't normally say in front of her but it's like well we're here doing our job having to rehash what we did earlier you know and I get asked a question from Lala and I'm like oh well then Tom this and Tom that and just like I'm watching it and I want to just like strangle me through the screen because I'm like Sheena shut up but it's like that's also what we have to do. Yeah.

So I also feel like you throw yourself under the bus. Totally do. It's like in that scene where Tom was just like, he said, I missed you first. And then when you retold the story, you were like, and then I said that I missed him.

I'm like, no, you didn't. He said, and then you responded. And now it looks like, I think I did say it first. He said it first.

I remember. I'll look back, but I remember. Yeah. And also that was a much longer conversation. I think I did say it first. He said it first. I remember him saying it. I'll look back, but I remember him saying it. Yeah. And also, that was a much longer conversation. Of course. So, like, he might have said it, and then I said it, and then whatever it was, but it

was like, I do miss 10 year ago, Tom. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, watching it back, I'm like, ah, Kristen, Sheena, what are you doing? Shut up.

I think she just does it, and then she comes back back and she's just like, like, you'll see we have, there's still more stuff. I don't want to spoil things, but like we have a conversation and I think she like comes to like, has a light bulb. I'm like, oh yeah, I was wrong. Like, oh my God. And it's like, girl. Yeah.

Like you can't keep threatening your friends. Like, oh, Kristen. It's like, I love Kristen. I have a soft spot for her. And just sometimes I'm like. Same. I know. I love Kristen. I haven't talked about her. And just sometimes I'm like. Same. I know. I need a witness when I hang out with you.

I need a stenographer. I really felt like she was having like. I did feel like she was having redemption season. I was like, okay, you know, I'm really liking this Kristen. But I do want her to realize like. You can't keep saying your friend. I'm holding your secrets. I know that you feel hurt.

But like you can't keep threatening. Yeah. Girl, I know. She said we were like, no, I mean, you almost were there. The amount of times she said it, it was like in her mind. She's like, I'm being such a good friend. I'm not telling your secrets.

Meanwhile, the world is like, what are these secrets? Right? Because now everyone's talking. Yeah. Now we're all talking about the secret. Now we're going to Chateau Marmont. We're sitting there like who is that? Who is the name bleeped out? Oh, my God. No, literally, I could not believe that.

And maybe it'll be on Watch What Happens Live this week. But I couldn't believe that last week the word of the night was not protect or protection. The amount of times it was said. But then it's again this week. So I haven't watched yet. But yeah, it's okay. Last one. Most likely to leave and never come back.

To leave and never come back. I don't think anybody's leaving. I really don't. Good. I see it. I thought maybe at first Nia because she was going through it. That's what I thought too. And I was like, I don't know if she's going to be able to do this.

But yeah, I think she's a little stronger now. So I think she can handle it. Yeah. No one's leaving. Good. All right. she's gonna be able to do this but yeah i think she's a little stronger now so i think she can handle it yeah no one's leaving good all right well let's just get into a little more about the the kristen of it all because at this point in the valley kristen is on the outs with pretty much everyone in the group and one of the great things about reality tv is we get to see things from everyone's viewpoint you know that's the good and the bad thing you get to see things from everyone's viewpoint. You know, that's the good and the bad thing. You get to see what your friends say, but then you also get more

perspective. And I know for last season, for me, that helped me empathize with Katie more going through her divorce, whereas in person I was just like a few like we don't whatever anymore. was just like f you like we don't whatever anymore so you know for better or worse but just watching it back and seeing and hearing all the different sides involved has your perspective on the drama between jesse and michelle janet zach etc changed between kristen and them yeah a little it's it's like watching it seeing I think at the time everyone's just we're all so worked up and have so many emotions we're just kind of pissed off that she's doing this but then watching back I kind of feel like damn like there's just so much going like I feel like we were kind of like ganging up on her in a way a little bit and I'm like okay

but I get why everybody's so upset like the I don't I saw when Jack girl like okay we don't want to hang out with her anymore it was like we're not we're done with her and me and Zach are just like oh shit like you know we do still love Kristen we know we need to hang out with her we have to be around her so I think that watching that back was really hard because I was like god damn I don't want it to look like we're all like no more Kristen around forever

and it's like ah you know but I think just in that moment we're all so heated it's like yeah you're just lit and I felt like this was i think kristen discussed it on her podcast recently but this may have been a weird little karmic way of how they treated me season one coming back to her because jax kristen katie stassi like they all met up to try and ice me out of the show. Season one, like literally had a meeting.

Like, how can we just not have Sheena part of the show, not involve her in anything, not invite her to anything? Yeah. And Kristen said it made me that many times more relevant. So lesson, you try to ice someone out. Yeah. Kristen's not going anywhere. That's why when that happened, like you'll see the, you know, events and things. And I. Yeah, Kristen's not going anywhere. That's why when that happened, you'll see events and things. I'm like,

Kristen's not going anywhere. We're going to her event. Everyone stop. Yeah, and she's not going anywhere. And on top of it, we're seeing what's playing out real time and basically what is coming to fruition. I mean, sort of. And so it's kind of like she is going to have a redemption season. It's like she started off hot and everything, but that's just Kristen. She dropped it

hot, but she's going to bring it back, you know, and that's what we miss about Kristen on TV. It's nice to have a little bit of crazy Kristen back. Yeah, I mean, yeah, she owns it. Yeah, she does. What are your thoughts on Kristen and the group? Do you think that outrage is warranted or? I get why they're upset, but I also don't.

I mean, Kristen isn't lying. And that's the thing where it's just like, how do we know that? Well, she just gets her information mixed up. She gets her information mixed up. Exactly. And that's the problem. It's like, yeah, it wasn't Jesse trying to leave his wife, his wife trying to leave him. Right. So the truth is there.

We just need you to like take it down and like it can come out more naturally because you know how is jack's coming out like shining in this way that's just as much information i was like yeah let me do the dirty work here bro what are you doing yeah he literally said like i you were supposed to go find what was in the text message yeah he's like you're supposed to go find out what's going on and then i drop it boom my hands are clean i'm like what yeah i see right through you're supposed to go find out what's going on and then I drop it. Boom, my hands are clean. I'm like, what? I'm like, I see right through you, bro. Yeah, I did laugh out loud

at that, though. He is so funny. He had some good things he said this episode and I was just like, God, I can't stand you. Right? But that was funny.

But it's funny. She's just so good sometimes at things you say. Which is why it's good that Luke jumped in because I do think that him tempering her will allow her to like

reign it in a bit and then kind of end the season in a good place. Yeah. If someone were to say to you you know, how did she say it? Like I'm holding your secrets. Like I'm protecting you. I would never. Would you take that as a threat? Yes. Absolutely.

What are you doing? Like whatever. Like we all have secrets. I'm like, okay, we're going here. Especially if you're my friend. I don't even know how long. Like what? I would literally lose my shit. Yeah. Yeah, okay, we're going here. Especially if you're my friend. I don't even know how long. What? I would literally lose my shit. Yeah. I think I'm fighting too. Yeah.

What are you? Or I'm like, expose the secret. I don't have time for this. I'm like, we're going to jail tonight. Yeah. So when this fight was happening in the hallway at the Mondrian, you were still inside at the dinner. Were you able to see what was going on at all in the hallway? Did you know it got physical?

No. So we were sitting there still eating. And I was like, OK, I thought Kristen was leaving. I was like, oh, she's leaving, whatever. But then I guess Jesse was out there. And then they just had a little conversation. And it started blowing up. And I'm like, what's going on?

But me and Jenner were just trying to enjoy the food. It was so good. And I'm like, every time we have a dinner, we just can't get through the meal. I'm like, this is BS. We never had dessert, I swear. Screw. And then I just heard pushing and shoveling. I'm like, oh bs like we never had dessert i swear and then i just heard like pushing and shoveling i'm like oh crap i'm like do we go out there do we stay here i'm like i'm staying right here because i don't know if somebody's gonna hit somebody and like i don't know what's gonna happen okay lawsuits or yeah is that why janet asked like

jesse if he was okay because she didn't see what because like he was the one like he was getting tossed aside like that's what i'm like what i didn't even know that was happening out there yeah i could not believe that zach was like flying back oh my gosh britney oh my god so okay we are gonna take another quick little break and then get into some more of all of this. Hey, Shenanigans listeners, I'm here to tell you that there's no reason to panic the next time you're searching for the perfect gift. Now you can use gift mode on Etsy. So I'm going to tell you a little bit more about gift mode on Etsy. This legit takes the stress out of gifting so you can find the perfect item for anyone and any occasion. And it's really easy. You just tap or click gift mode on your Etsy app or Etsy.com. Then you're

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But now he's been noticing Michelle leaving her phone face down, leading him to wonder, what is she hiding? what is she hiding he also noted about her social media ways changing how she would always post like going out with the girls and now she doesn't he's like well are you really out with the girls what are you really doing obviously we know now that they have separated which seemed like it would be the best thing for them and also you know forella, I feel like when you are married, you do have a child, you try everything you can to make it work. But from what I know, they'd been trying for a long time to make it work and it doesn't always work. And they both seem happier now. But if this were your own relationship and you were noticing these things, do you think alarm bells would be ringing that something might be off

yeah because jesse basically said he said i used to do this with my phone why what were you doing jesse right that was my question he's like i was doing that she must be doing the same thing so of course he's thinking that because he was probably being shady too putting his phone down that's what i know i mean i literally i had ptsd the minute he said that and like i don't even feel sorry for jesse most of these episodes. That was the one time I felt sorry for him because I was like, I get it because I remember when my ex started doing that. And I was like, and he, of course, was cheating. And then even like I had a friend, like a close friend who started doing that around me.

And because of my ex boyfriend, I was like, I felt like she was being shady. Yeah. She turned out to be a shady bitch. So, yeah, I don't like when people have their phones turn around me. I always am like. But now I do it mostly, though, because I'm on social media so much. Yeah. I don't want it to be a distraction.

So now I feel bad because I'm like, I'm always turning my phone. I'm like, I look like the shady one. That's definitely a shady move. Do you think and you don't have to say on whose behalf, but do either of you think there was infidelity in Jesse and Michelle's relationship? If it wasn't physical, it was emotional. I think there was absolutely emotional cheating

happening with somebody. Yeah. I don't, I just started getting to know them before, you know, this year. So I can't really comment on all that. But just from what I'm seeing and how they are, definitely agree with possibility of emotional cheating because if you're not I mean she's putting the phone down like he said he's doing the same thing you're not getting it at home or

something and when he said when he said like and I feel like this is bringing us closest closer together like he thought they were in a body client situation where everyone's trying to push us to work and she was like, no. Yeah. Something. Yeah. Something was going on. Maybe. I don't know. Even this episode, my name got brought up and was a part of it.

And I wish I could have just been there to say what I had heard. But I know Janet relayed that she heard from me that Katie had seen some rumors because we know Katie is on Reddit all of the time. Katie sees it all. I don't know. She loves it. But Janet later questions if Jack's bringing up rumors about Michelle or a means to distract from his own

stuff. So do you think Janet was onto something here? I don't think you're saying like Jax. I don't think Jax cheated on Brittany. I don't think that. But it could be a distraction of something else. I don't know.

Like just to deflect off of him. But I don't think it has to do with cheating. What I love about the editing of The Valley is like the camera people are really getting the glances. And so I'm always, because we know what's happening in real time, I'm always looking at people's faces

because even when they all went over to Jax and Brittany's house and then Jada was like, well, and Brittany knows and Brittany was like, you're supposed to let people know that I know. She's like, I'm not supposed to know. Thank you, husband.

Like, bam. She's like, I can't trust him. So every time someone says something and they pan to someone else, I'm always curious about the look on their face because I will say

there's times where Jax just looks like he's guilty. And in that moment, he looks so guilty. He's like, well, I didn't. Kristen told me, Brittany, and you know, too. Like, oh, my God,

I'm supposed to take this to the grave. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like this group. But I got to say, the show is so. Yeah. I'm like this group. But I got to say, the show is so fucking good. I mean,

Rihanna is watching it. Okay. I know. Yeah. You saw her die. Iconic. You saw on the red carpet. She was like when someone was like,

I don't want Bravo. And she's like, we'll start with Vanderpump. Yeah. I'm like, I mean, of course she's going to be all. I mean,

like, I know who I am. She's going to start following. She's going to start following you. No, not yet. She's going to. Maybe next season. I just know I am. She's going to start following. She's going to start following you. No, she's going to. I just know it. She saw my face possibly.

Like I'm on her screen at home. I know. I love it. I feel like, especially in my parent era, I feel like even if you're not, you know, there are so many relatable storylines.

People are going through just even Kristen sharing her fertility journey you know what we said earlier about Nia being open about her PPD and I just feel like there are a lot of things that y'all's show is capturing in the first season that some people on our show have gone through but the people working on our show never really thought it was important to show those storylines so it's nice to see that mental health is being discussed more that we're talking about postpartum because the majority of our audience are women the majority of our audience a lot of them are parents now they've grown with us or they were already parents and so or soon to be and like literally they're gonna get into and that's what i loved too about the casting of y'all's show was

how they got couples even though we didn't unfortunately get to see enough of Melissa this season. I'm hoping you know a season two and she'll be there but you get to see so many different couples in so many different stages in their lives and it's just like there's something for everyone.

When they asked us, when they approached us about it, I was like, I don't know how me and Melissa are going to fit in. We don't have kids. We're not even engaged yet. We're not married. How's this work? And they asked us, like when they approached us about it, I was like, I don't know how me and Melissa are going to fit in. Like, we don't have kids. Like, we're not even engaged yet. We're not married. Like, how does this work? And they're like, no, you know, it's everybody.

There's something for everybody, you know, like there's people that are going to relate to you. So I didn't really see how it fit. And I'm like, OK, now I see it all makes sense because this whole group is crazy. I don't have to have a kid to still make some good TV. No, totally. Did Melissa want to be in the first season? Yes. OK.

She was under contract with another production company. OK. I didn want to be in the first season? Yes. Okay. She was under contract with another production company. Okay. They didn't do it, you know, legal stuff. But season two. She's ready. On that note,

I do want to say with the whole parenting storylines of it all, I've seen now several scenes of Jax judging Brittany's parenting. And it's really pissed me off. And specifically in this episode,

when Cruz is doing his speech therapy and Jax is like, shh, you're being too loud. And then Jax is loud, like after that. And just the way he talks about her drinking, but oh, we can never talk about what Jax does. Just wait, keep watching. You know, it's really pissed me off because Britney is an incredible

mother and I know that it's been very challenging with Cruz and with, you know, having to do the speech therapy and all of the different classes that they have him in. But it's like she is doing the most and she is doing everything she can. And she is just such an incredible human. But when you have a kid who has speech delays and whatnot, it is so hard on the parents as well, you know? So it's like, it's gotta be frustrating for the kid

when they're trying to communicate with you. But even more so when the kid doesn't know any better for the parent trying to learn and know what my kid needs, what my kid wants. And so for Jax to slightly recognize that by saying, let's not have another kid just yet. And let's focus on Cruz. I appreciated that. But everything else, I'm just like, you know what? Shame on you. Because she is doing everything she

can to give this kid the best life. And trying to make the relationship work at the same time. I'm like, bro, give her a break sometimes. That's all she wanted. Y'all just wait. The next couple episodes, like we go on our trip, I'm just like blown away. Because I'm like, you're not the guy I thought you were right now. That's how my mind changed. I'm like, what's going on? Because Brittany is the best mom.

She is doing everything she can, trying to open this bar. And it's like, don't talk to her like that. Yeah, no, it's super triggering of like an old relationship I had. And I'm just like, and I don't you know, I don't have kids, but I have people. All my friends have kids. And I know that, you know, when you're struggling with your kids you take a lot of that you blame yourself and so it's like you already have that guilt and then now you have your partner making you feel more guilty trying to make you feel like you're not good enough for all these reasons and now they're not sleeping with you so now you feel you internalize that like is it my body because she's even saying like is it my body has changed and it's just like no it's not you it's it's literally him yeah But you can't see past that when you're in it.

And that's why, like, I'm glad she has a group of good girlfriends who are like, no, no, it's him. It's him. Because it's so frustrating to watch. I mean, even the way he talks about, like, you wouldn't have this house. She's like, I paid for it. Literally. Literally. And in the pandemic and up until the valley she was the breadwinner

she was taking care of everything okay and now we said it it's just like you know what like he needs to watch his fucking mouth because it really it's pissing me off and it's like she gets emotional he blames it on her drinking oh yeah that's gotta stop like Brittany doesn't have a drinking problem y'all

what should we blame your aggression on Jax right bring me on season two oh yeah, that's got to stop. I'm like, Brittany doesn't have a drinking problem, y'all. What should we blame your aggression on, Jax? Right? Oh. Bring me on season two. No, literally Brock is about to- She didn't came to our show. Oh God. I can't stand to speak.

I was like, you ready to come to our show, girl? But I mean, me and Brock, because Brock is one person who absolutely could put Jax in his place. Oh, I'm scared. And- I'm scared already just the thought of it. I know.

I'll just be sitting there like, in the middle, guys, let's all be friends i'm done doing that okay from the valley to vpr did y'all see this week's episode yet yes yes okay so we're nearing the end of the season it's the season finale next week on my birthday oh wow which is nuts i'm like, oh, I know how it ends. And I'm like, there'll be good moments to watch with people. This is when they're fighting. Yeah. All the blogs.

Honestly, I don't even know if you see that in the episode. Oh. Because when we get them to prepare for the reunion, it's a rough cut. So I have not seen the final, final finale. I know what I saw prepping for the reunion and whatnot, but it's a really good finale. It's very emotional. But I will say,

and I'm excited that the audience finally gets to meet Dan, but I will say one of my favorite moments from this week's episode was seeing the Schwartz and Katie convo at the Roaring Twenties about the one night stand. They've had so many cute moments as friends this season when they're talking about the max of it all and whatnot. And that's just been a really funny thing to say when he's like, no, can we just like order food and lay in bed and scroll and be on tiktok and she's like i remember her saying to me like it would have been

less intimate if they just literally had a one-night stand and had sex she's like to get in bed and scroll and do that like that's more emotional and intimate yeah just like oh we were drunk and i fucked my ex whoops i I like them together, though. I know. That's the thing. And I was like, oh, I hope this happens. Yeah. I think they have sexual chemistry outside, better outside of their marriage. And like, maybe we explore that.

Yeah. Maybe you just date again. I mean, they were together for so long. Not no. Maybe down the line and maybe without a show involved. Okay. I could maybe see a reconciliation down the line and maybe without a show involved. I could maybe see a reconciliation down the line, but

you know, Schwartz is in his TikTok dating her 23-year-old era, so he needs to get that out of his system before he can come back to that. But are either of you surprised by seeing this healthy dynamic between them?

Surprised? Yeah. Yes and no. But I feel like they've always had a good friendship. Yeah. You know, I know they've always had like this connection. Yeah. I'm not surprised to see that.

Just a little surprised that he said that. I think that's funny. But I think there's still something there a little bit. Yeah. I always felt like they would always be friends, like they would go through their rough patches and like all of that. But I definitely think I thought I always saw them sort of connected. Yeah.

Obviously, completely different with how the relationship ended and everything. But do you think show no show either way that there would ever be a moment where Tom and Ariana could have a conversation like Katie and Schwartz have had? No, absolutely not. No, absolutely not. Yeah. Don't see that. Hell no. I know the same room with them. Yeah. No, no. What? Two years or three? It's like, no. Since it happened a little over a year. I don't see that happening. Yeah. I feel like, too, with that relationship, it was like Tom always wants to be at the center of attention and the star,

but Ariana, too, is a star. So it's like when Ariana wanted to write the cocktail book, then Tom wanted to hop on the cocktail book, and he could never just, like, fully let her shine, so it needed that relationship to end in order for her to just, likear you know well that was what was so great about watching her and dan because like again like this is the first time we're seeing love about her dynamic first of all i didn't know his hair was that long i was like oh my god

we were like oh my god i want you to just wear that down all the time that is sexy um and just seeing how he's just like you know i, I'm going to go to dinner. You do your thing. Like, I'm going to show up like when I need to be there, when I want to be on my woman's arm and like, you know, but other than that, like you do your thing. And like, I just, yeah, I liked that. Yeah. She needs a party.

She's going to kind of like take the little backseat a little bit. Yeah. Tom was very like me, me, me. I'm going to jump in, like you said. Yeah. So it's nice to see Dan just be the, I'm going to be there to support you. I got you, babe. Yeah. So it's nice to see Dan just be the, I'm going to be there to support you. I got you, babe. Yeah.

That kind of thing. No, that was one of the things I loved about him from the second I met him was just like, I'm just here to support you. You do you. And I'm like, wow, she's never had that before. Yeah. So I love to see that.

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that was new for me, and that was the term gray rocking. Have either of you heard this before? I'm not in therapy, so I don't know these things. I probably should be. I am, but apparently I'm in the more old school form of therapy mixed with EMDR because I do always try to work towards letting the anger and aggression go. But for those of you who don't know, gray rocking is a short term strategy for dealing with toxic, emotionally abusive, or narcissistic people. So the goal is to make interactions as uninteresting or unrewarding

as possible with the idea that if the other person doesn't get the response they want, they may then stop the abusive behavior. And Ariana had relayed that this was her strategy in navigating her dealings with Tom, which I'm sure was also very challenging living under the same roof and having to work with him while trying to, you know, put this into full effect. And I feel like even though that's, you know, what she needed to do in that moment. It was like she was still just in survival mode That was a very traumatic thing that she went through that the more that I do watch it back I'm just like shut up, but also I'm just doing What I had to do and having the conversations I had to have so

People who don't understand that I'm like I tell Melissa that once we really have there's like a fight But now like something was going on and I'm like, she's like, why do you think I have to do about this. I had to tell Melissa that once. We were like, there was like a fight finale. Something was going on. And I'm like, she's like, why do you have to? I'm like, I have to do this right now, okay? Yeah. I'm out. The one thing, too, about watching the show back

and specifically in these moments that I've had with Ariana is when Lala asked me the question, I'm directing that to Lala. If Kiki right here and I'm talking to you is making a face, I don't see the face she's making because I'm talking to you and I'm looking into your eyes. So now where it's like, sometimes you look down at your phone or the dog is sitting right there.

And so when I'm watching it back and I'm seeing all of her faces towards me, I'm like, ouch. You're like, ugh. Like, damn. Excuse me? Yeah, but that's the great and bad things about reality TV. It's like you get to see everything else.

When I was just having a conversation with Lala and I wasn't even thinking about anyone else who was there. It was just like, this question is asked. I'm going to answer it. It's also just so much easier, obviously, as a viewer to act holier than thou, right? Oh, I would have never done that. Like I know Lala is getting shit for saying,

you know, like, Dan, why would you want to get in a relationship with somebody who like just came out of a traumatic relationship? But here's the thing. We were all thinking that when Dan first came into the scene. We all thought it. We weren't able to say it out loud because we're not on a show with her. So she's not wrong for thinking that.

And then now we've got to meet him and we see the real side of him. We're like, OK, we get it. We get why you were attracted to it. But it's it's hard. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Viewers think they're better. No, it's true. They don't see why you were attracted to it. But it's it's hard. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Viewers think they're better.

So they don't see like what's really going on. No, totally. And I mean, although Ariana and Dan. OK, yeah, they weren't official. Ten days later, she did meet him so shortly after. And so many of her friends were thinking that as well. So it wasn't just Lala. Lala was just the one to say it.

But I'm like, by Coachella, they were posting together. And so we're like, okay, I mean, it's been six weeks. You know, James and Allie, it was like five weeks. And I'm like, I'm not one to judge because Rob and I, it was like, I don't even know if the ink was dry on the divorce papers. Okay. It was like, I made the decision. This is done.

We're signing divorce papers this day. And I was already like moved on in divorce papers. Okay. It was like, I made the decision. This is done. We're signing divorce papers this day. And I was already like moved on in my head. So I'm like, I can't say shit about it because I did the same thing. So who cares if it was 10 days or six weeks? Yeah. Whatever.

The girl's happy. Let her live her life. Yeah. So I was curious if you had ever heard the term gray rocking. I think I have. Maybe. I don't know.

But when you gave that definition, no. I'm like watching. Poor Brock was just like, I can't speak on that because women, I'm going to go. Yeah. I was like, oh, yeah, Brock, just leave. Walk out now. Smart man.

You know, just let her say her piece. And he's like, never mind. Yep. Valid. He's like, you got this. Yeah. Watching the conversations back that I had with Tom, too, I want to say I was not trying to have any sort of like reconciliation or forgiveness between him and Ariana. I was hoping to just maybe have some, a little bit of peace come to her because there were so many times where I

think they even flashed back to it where she's like, well, he hasn't even apologized for this. He hasn't done this. So in that moment, when I'm sitting there, having the roaring twenties like conversation with him, I was like, but have you ever thought about how you weaponizing her mental health has also affected her? You didn't just fuck her friend. You then did this, this and that to her. And those may have even hurt more.

Yeah. So can you understand that? And is that something you can apologize for? Like, I honestly thought I was doing what she wanted. And it just I felt like this whole season, nothing I did was good enough or the right thing and like I just can't win yeah but watching it back I'm like that's that's all I was trying to do was just what I thought she wanted and I think that she got to a point though where she realized that she was never going to get that from him like maybe she would have wanted that in the beginning

but then she realized as a person, he cannot give that to me. And so to continually have people asking for it is actually annoying me because I just now need to cut it off. Yeah. Yeah. I just wish he could have from the beginning showed genuine remorse and not double down the way he did because he made things so much worse like maybe as terrible as having an affair is if that was the only thing he did and he was so apologetic and so remorseful and just begged for forgiveness and kept his mouth shut and didn't go and sing stupid songs on stage maybe there would have been like one step forward in you know just with still being in this group but

it's just like he had he gave no some of these men just can't help them and he doesn't know how to not blame people i mean he did it to her he does it to you it's really frustrating because you're like just stop blaming everyone else yeah oh sit in it no totally and i feel like the healing process could have started so much sooner had that been the approach. But, you know, here we are a year and two months later. Yeah, he's never going to change. Anyway. It's not happening. this story online. I wanted to get your opinions on it, where a girl is relaying that her friend is upset with her for choosing to go to the Taylor Swift concert instead of her friend's wedding.

So I'm going to read through the story and I just want to get your feedback on who you think is right and who you think is wrong. The issue is that on July 13th, my fiance and I booked tickets for the Heiress Tour in Milan almost one year in advance or else they'd sell out. We also had to book hotels, flights, etc. because we're staying there for four days. My best friend knew that I'd booked tickets on that date. She hadn't booked her wedding yet. She got engaged in November and booked her wedding date last month. She then told everyone she'd get married during the summer, but she never said the exact date until now after many people kept asking her so they could know their plans. I booked tickets this past summer when the tour dates were announced. When she told me the date, I told her she can't be serious.

She was like, why? I reminded her I had the concert and the trip on those dates, and she told me, okay, then cancel it, obviously. And I told her, sorry, I can't. I can't cancel the hotel plane concert tickets. I'll have to pay a high fee to do so, and I don't even think I can cancel the concert tickets. I reminded her that it was something I'd planned a year in advance

and she knew this. She straight up told me that yes, she knew, but she didn't care because as a friend, she'd expect me to do the right thing and drop everything for her wedding. I told her I'm not canceling my plans for something you knew about a year ago that in advance I would do.

She accused me of basically putting a trip and a concert over her wedding and won't speak to me now unless i send her proof i'm canceling everything to attend her wedding oh my god when you started that story i thought for sure the taylor swift girl was going to be in the wrong but no right the wedding is completely horrible right it's so rude and like how can you say you're not going to talk to her ever again now like what the fuck yeah what i saw this and i'm like it made me laugh a little bit because i too went to the eras concert over a

wedding oh my really it was a friend of brock's okay and let me tell you two months after the wedding they were divorced they also got married at hummingbird nest ranch which is where i had my first wedding i wasn't really trying to go back to a wedding there with a relationship that when we got married the year prior, they weren't together. Then they were back together. Then they're getting married. Now they're already divorced. So I'm thankful I chose Taylor Swift over the wedding. His marriage lengths are questionable.

Right. Memories are forever. Especially if you know that couple, they already are kind of shifty in their relationship. Be like, I'm not going to your wedding. I'm going to go see Taylor Swift. Yeah. That's not even going to last. In milan like what a dream trip for a 15 and if she was gonna have to be in the wedding because this is her best friend oh she'd be a bridezilla so it's best exactly in that friendship right yeah i'm like that is the definition of a bridezilla that's so rude you're gonna cancel this we're not friends it's like

all right then i guess we weren't really friends to begin with exactly or like one of these invitations go out yeah like yeah get with it seriously well thank you both for getting into some post stagecoach and post weekend shenanigans with me always a pleasure having you here new episodes of the valley airing after vanderpump rules every tuesday thank you guys so much for listening and watching comment below let me know i'm thinking i still want to do like a valley girls episode so if i were to do one with like two or three of the girls who would you think would be the best match and then everyone who's watching comment below and tell me who you want to see together get into some shenanigans i would say oh see i like everybody i know but everyone's not friends i know but i gotta have kristen on solo it'd be so good to have kristen or jenny michelle all in the same room i think that would be so lit

i would be taking andy cohen's job exactly but definitely janet uh britney i think just yeah we gotta get all the girls together yeah you know i'll do it. I need all of them to put it back. Because it's fun. We're all cool. Yeah. All right. Stay tuned. Thanks for listening.

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