Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Exposing Traitors & Defending Faithfuls with Mercedes ‘MJ’ Javid

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

This week, Scheana is joined in the studio by her favorite Faithful, Mercedes ‘MJ’ Javid. They dig into MJ’s experience on TRAITORS. Who was she closest with? Were there castle romances? And who would she like to see on next season? Plus, MJ shares an update on the future of Shahs of Sunset and provides insight corroborating the open relationship story Nema heard from Raquel after Coachella. Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guest: @mercedesjavid The video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, February 23rd.   Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Episode Sponsors:Go to DIMEBeautyco.com now until Monday Febryry 26th for 25% off.Head to FactorMeals.com/goodasgold50 and use code goodasgold50 to get 50% off.Go to Quince.com/honey for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Get 50% off your first month on ANY crate line at kiwico.com with promo code HONEY.Go to Zocdoc.com/scheana and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then find and book a top-rated doctor today.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. from your headphones to the stage. Get ready to be inspired, entertained, and watch audio get a makeover. Tickets are on sale now at dearmedia.com slash IRL. See you on May 4th in Austin, Texas. from vanderpump rules to motherhood and everywhere in between it's time to catch up with sheena shea this is shenanigans and now here's your host sheena shea Here's your host, Sheena Shea. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Shenanigans. It's been a very busy week.

You may have heard or seen everywhere online that I bought a house. So, yay! Thank you. And fittingly, today in the studio, we have one of LA's most iconic realtors, a badass mama, an OG from Shaws of Sunset, podcast host, and my personal favorite faithful Mercedes MJ in the house. How are we doing? You did so good just now. Thank you, babe.

Thank you. I had to name them all, you know? You really did. Did I miss anything? You're getting really good at this. Thank you. Yes. So thank you for driving in the rain to be here today.

So thank you for driving in the rain to be here today. Rainy days, I swear, that makes me just want to quit and stay in at home and not do anything. So I appreciate you being here. In LA, you can do that. Everyone just says, oh, it's raining. Cancel. Yeah, I can't do it. No, I went to open houses.

I went and I did everything. I got dressed. Tommy was saying that I look like MC Light and he told me I cannot wear this. I was like, I know I'm going to do it. I'm going to wear what I want. So now I absolutely love the fit. It's a slay back at you. So how are you? How's Shams? How's Tommy? How's life? Good. Busy. Like I, you know, I have to say when I watched the last episode of VPR I felt so connected to you and I'm saying this as someone who knows you all these years and also watching you like it was the most substantive share that you've ever had on in my opinion yeah I know I'm I'm like starting to shake right now because the way that you shared your vulnerability with trying to balance because whenever someone asks me how I'm doing like you

just asked me I'm always like I don't know like my mind starts to race because I know there's like so many things that we're trying to do be a mom work doing this everything and like it's hard it's hard not because it's you know carrying's hard. Not because it's, you know, carrying what is Tommy always makes a joke like you're not carrying concrete. I'm like, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that we are. I want to acknowledge you because I connected to what you were sharing with Brock and, you know, trying to have summer be with somebody other than your mom. And yeah, man, that's that's the same. Same, same over here. Thank you. I am glad that they're showing that this season because I have had so

many people who know me and people who don't know me reach out and just be like me too. I totally get it. And that was something that I was really struggling with last year. We were so fortunate and we do still have my mom. But you'll see later in the season another nanny who comes in who's also a teacher. And we're still with her. And she's been great. She's actually with Summer right now. And then my mom will go and relieve her. You know, we are so fortunate to have my mom.

But we also kind of felt like we needed someone else and to let my mom be more of the grandma and not, you know, the full-time nanny. So it was hard to let that go. And that was a big struggle that Brock and I were going through. And with my OCD and my fears and anxieties that I've been working through and I've done extensive EMDR work over the past year. It's getting better, but it's still it's like that's my everything. You know, this might be the only child I ever have and I want to get it as close to right as possible. Sure. And also because all of like the series of the show, you've been, you know, like very sex positive and out and showing your vulnerable self and everything. But it's not like the way that you've been shown hasn't been vulnerable. It's always like the butt of the joke.

Like, yeah, Sheena has to be the strongest person with the thickest skin because people probably from the outside think that they can, you know, take shots as if you don't have feelings. But now after think about it, like is a season 10, 11, 11. And you're now showing they're showing you're vulnerable, your vulnerability. Yeah. You know, more than I think ever. So I like that for someone that knows you, you know, both ways. But there was a thing I rewound a couple of times when you were looking at the crib and then Brock said, like, what are you talking about? You said if she zooms into something, what was that? I was watching her on the camera. Yeah. And you were like, if this if I'm seeing X, Y or Z, that was the thing I didn't know. I was like, what is it? Because I do that too. Like I still look at the camera. Oh, to see if she was breathing probably.

Oh, okay. I made her wear this like breath, like breathe wear. Oh, I know you're talking about. Like breath strap thing until she was a little over two. And then I had my aunt sew on this Velcro to expand it because they only go up to 24 months. I was like, nope, nope. Oh, my God. But now it's like she is bigger. She wants the blanket on top of her and whatnot. But, no, I was the mom who had the kid in the crib with absolutely nothing in the crib.

Of course. Just the breathe-wear strap. And I'm like, you don't get a pillow. You don't get a blanket. You get a sleep sack, and that is it. Yeah, you're not supposed to. Now, you know, she's almost three. She gets her teddy. She has a pillow. She has a blanket. She now wants a big girl bed. She finally crawled out of the crib for the first time, like fully out of it. I've caught

her trying to hurdle it before, and after she broke her arm last year, that's just like a thing that I'm like, you know, if you crawl out of the crib, you might break your arm again. She's like, okay. But she's like, but mommy, I'm just a big girl. I can't. And I was like, okay. So my parents converted her bed at their house. I'm waiting for the kit from Milk Street Baby

so we can convert hers. And once we get in the new house, I said, you will have your big girl bed in the new house, but until then, just a few more weeks in the crib, okay? That's amazing. She's like, okay, but I'm a big girl. I'm like, I know.

Well, the birthday's around the corner. I know. So that's like the milestone where you can tell her like when it's your birthday, you can do that. I do that too. Yeah, definitely.

So a lot of questions got sent in and before we get into that, I thought it could be fun to play a quick little game. Okay. I want to know, how do you think some of your fellow MJs would fare in a game of traitors? So would they be faithful? Would they be traitors? Would they sniff out the traitors?

Or would they be murdered quickly? Okay. Magic Johnson. He is so loved. He would make it all the way to the end. He would, I mean, he's one of the most loved people on the planet. Marc Jacobs. He would get immediately eliminated because of his personality. Mick Jagger.

Wow, I think he would. God, everybody loves him. Would he sleep with every girl and maybe every guy as well? And then someone would have like a jealous, you know, spat in the middle of the night and he'd be murdered. Yeah. Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. I think politicians by nature have to be able to bullshit like we had Parliament John. So I think he would get pretty

far. But at the end of the day, you're a politician. You're out. Yeah. Michael Jordan. So Marcus's dad. Yeah. First of all, Marcus was amazing. And I bet that Michael Jordan, the MJ, I bet that Michael Jordan, the MJ, would probably be like a little bit of like an out. Like he would be like not into it enough. I could see him as like not playing ball. Okay. Speaking of MJs though, Marcus Jordan, had you not played the game with him, what would you think about him going in? Would you have predicted that? So of course I was like hating on them. I was like, how is there a couple? How is that? That's not going to work. Like what's going to happen?

And then as soon as you get there, it started, first of all, getting to know them was amazing. The downtime was amazing. There is a moment on the show when you see him sharing too much with Dan. And that was the moment where he eliminated himself by sharing with the wrong guy. He walked into the mouth of the lion's den. And when that was why I tried to really limit anything I was thinking about because I didn't want it to backfire. So I think that Marcus played a good game in that he was sharing, but for your survival, there's like, you know, you got to be careful.

And if he was still with us, Michael Jackson. He would be the entertainment, right? For the entire time. So we'd have to keep him around and have him serenade us in those long nights. Right, definitely. All right, we've got a lot of questions to get into. Before we do, we're going to take a quick little break and we'll be right back.

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I'll watch Traders live. And it's so good. I didn't watch all of season one because when Brock starts to binge a show, he just will have it on at all times. And he'll be like doing dishes and he'll be have it on in the car when he's driving or at the gym. And I need to sit down and focus. I want to pay attention. I don't want to miss a scene at all. And so the first season, it was like I would catch a little bit here and like Kyle was on it and Reza and obviously. Right. But I didn't watch it fully this season. Oh, I'm I'm in it. So I want to know, did you watch season one? Yes. And I agree with you. I think that if you're not seeing catching all the eyes

and the body language that I, too, would feel like I'm missing too much. Yeah. I need to visually watch. Yeah. What were your thoughts on season one? And when you were watching it, did you think like, I want to be on this show or how did this all come about? No, I just thought it was really new content for me to see competition shows altogether. I never saw any of that. I was a huge Bravo-holic. I mean, I still am. But like, you know, I just never really thought about it. I really didn't. In fact, I will tell you when I did get like offered the show, it came out of the blue, in my opinion. I was not expecting it. And when I got on the plane, I was texting you because there was like a press leak that me and you and like nine other people from Bravo were on it. So I was texting. I was like, are you doing Traders?

You were like, no. And I was like, OK, I'm taking off. Bye. Yeah. You text me. Bananas text me. Teddy text me and didn't tell me it was tamra but she was like wait so i heard and i'm like i call mark and i was like is there a call that we're waiting on or have you not told me is something getting negotiated because i have not heard this but everyone is messaging me and he's like no you're not doing that so yeah it would have been too late by then i know totally next time maybe you know we'll see What was your strategy going into the show? Like, how did you prepare? And did Reza give you any advice?

I didn't get advice from Reza only because I saw what happened with him didn't go well. And for what I did was I ultimately watching back, I was just being myself, but a little bit more dialed down. You do miss a lot because it really, really, really, they edit out so much stuff that happens. I think my ability to stay as far as I have so far is because of thinking more than one step ahead. Like with Peter the Bachelor, who I love IRL, he's awesome. But I think that once he started to put us in separate quarters and like once he asked me, like, can you give us a second? I was like, you are creating an alliance that doesn't include me.

And like that is something that I would not do. And I don't think you should. I don't think he should have. Yeah. You know, so. so no I agree it was like the Peter gang versus like the leftovers essentially right there was that that was the buzzword and the other thing was when I was on to Dan I spoke up about it but then if I stay on someone's ass after like everybody then knew then I am also like I remember Dan saying in the watching it back in the turret.

He was like, we're not going to kill her because there's other people that are coming for him. So I think that's part of why I stayed on and survived those weeks. Going into things, were you hoping to be a faithful or a traitor or did you not care either way? Faithful, bro. Yeah. Traitor is some kind of crazy pressure. I don't think I could do it, but then I feel like, okay, what if I do get asked to do the show and then they make me a traitor because I've been so vocal about like, oh, I couldn't be a traitor that no one would suspect I'm a traitor. You would totally be recruited. Like if there was a Phaedra, you would be recruited.

Right. I don't think the producers would pick me or you. Yeah. And by the way, like look at you on VPR and in real life. You're a faithful natured person. You know, you're not shiesty. No, like these survivor chicks and big brother players, that's what they went on this show to be. My sister would be a killer

traitor, like pun intended, like literally. Me, I just feel like I would be such a faithful. Sniper by the, wait, sniper from the side does not work. Wait, sniper from the side does not work. If you were a traitor, what would your strategy have been, you think? If I were a traitor, God, you know what? I never even thought about it. I would probably just be so, I've never thought, how would I survive? Would you have kind of gone the Phaedra, like keeping it under the radar? Of course, you have kind of gone the Phaedra, like keeping it under the radar? Of course you have to.

You have to. Like you sign a thing that you will not tell anyone that you're a faithful, I mean a traitor. I would do my best to just try and be cool, you know, which I'm pretty good at being chill. A lot of people say I'm very zen. Yeah. So I listen. Wait, so you have to sign something. zen yeah so wait so you have to sign something so it like the couples you cannot tell your significant other if you were a traitor right you have to respect the the sanctity of the game

you have to take a vow it's not they really do everything to protect the like the privacy of everything but then it's okay for you to hide a shield or talk about that you got a shield or for Dan to call out Phaedra in that way. That's okay. That feels like you're kind of walking the line there. Yeah, he was walking the line, but he was allowed to because he was on the chopping block at that point. True. Yeah. And I mean, he put the suspicion out there.

If no one else was thinking her, like Trish Shell and other people definitely started to be like, wait a second. Yeah. He was a traitor. He's probably calling out a traitor. I thought that too. And there are also moments where you'll think something, but you don't know who to trust because they don't tell you how many traitors there are.

Right. You know, there could be one. There could be three. There could be four. They tell you there could be five. So you just don't know. They really keep you on your toes. What was the first moment where you thought Dan is a traitor? Because you were on to him from early on. Yes, because he was so quiet. And even though I didn't know his personality, he was like so sedated. Yeah. And he was not sharing anything. He wasn't asking

anything. He was playing it too safe. And I was like, bro, you are not taking a risk. And this is a game and it's not fun. So I'm going to go ahead and call you out. Yeah. No, so good. Now watching it back and knowing Phaedra is a traitor, do you think that you were at all blinded by the Bravo click? Were there moments that you suspected Phaedra before Dan called her out at the roundtable? Probably. I probably suspected Phaedra and kept it 100% to myself.

Is that hard? No, because... That's where I feel like I would also be terrible because I'm like, I have to tell someone. and kept it 100% to myself. Is that hard? No, because... That's where I feel like I would also be terrible because I'm like, I have to tell someone. And you cannot. Like, there's nobody to call. Like, you don't get to call your husband. Right.

You don't get to, like, distract yourself. So you didn't get to talk to Tommy at all, but did you get to, like, FaceTime with Shams? I got to FaceTime, but you know how kids are. Like, he wasn't really interested in the camera, so it actually put me into this depression for like a day and a half. I really, really was like, oh, my God, he doesn't care. I've been gone for the longest ever in his life. And then I was afraid it was going to impact my game. And I thought if people see me being depressed, they're going to think I was like recruited and they're going to think I'm a traitor. And so

then I was like so worried. I was like, you know what? Dis think I'm a traitor. And so then I was like so worried. I was like, you know what? Disassociation. Don't think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So there was a scene where y'all are at the pool table and Sandra brings out the pool balls to show it's like a numbers game, you know, Peter and the gang and the leftovers. Did you feel like the strategy shifted at all them? Like if you had suspicions about Parvati, Phaedra, etc., was it more about reducing the numbers in the castle to make it to the end? Good point. I did. I counted how many people were with Peter and how many people were in the pool table and we outnumbered them. So then I realized that it got to a point where you just needed to know your votes.

If they're only five and you're six, then it's a wrap. Like that mattered. That starts to matter. You start to be able to figure that out when your numbers get smaller. And then you see CT was like kind of in between. Yeah, a little bit of that floater. Yeah. Yeah.

And that was fine too because it's a game. So you have to lighten up a little bit at the end of the day. You have to just like remember that like anything is possible and you focus on the low-hanging fruit. Like Peter is definitely alienating the rest of us. Yeah, totally. So you just like focus on what you know for sure. Yeah.

Speaking of Peter, you, there was a scene where you're like slowly backing out of the room, which was so iconic. How did you feel in that moment? Like what was going through your head? And did you know this is going to be such a fan favorite moment? No, of course not. I was like, well, first of all, I'm holding up my jeans because they were so long. Yeah. And so good. And I was afraid I was going to trip. Secondly, I was like, are you sure? Yeah. You want me to leave? Because you know what you're doing is if you're going to tell me, like, here's your second chance, like, before I leave, I'm going to give you one last

chance. Like, otherwise, you are telling me with your words that I am not part of this group, and therefore, you will pay for that. Yeah. That is what I was thinking. Yep. What were you thinking when there was the opportunity for everyone to light a torch and save someone and ct did not pick trishel because i feel like if i was there even if i maybe suspected that you're a traitor you're my friend in real life and yes it's a game business whatever but at the end of the day I still feel like I would value my friendship especially a long time friendship over what was it John he picked I know what how did that make you feel so Trishel was kind of treated like the runt of the litter that whole time that we were there

and I think that CT felt sorry for John because he didn't really have any allies in general. I was definitely gutted. I was mad at CT for not even looking at me because he, you're supposed to, like everyone was holding a torch and Sharae Whitfield chose Phaedra because of that exact history.

And if I had a torch, I would have given it to Kate Chastain. So I know that she was, Trishel was crying. I felt for her. It was, and of course, Parvati didn't have any because like we all knew by then. But yeah, it was a very lonely in the world, like a lonely planet moment where you're nobody's first choice. That's such a shitty feeling. I remember watching your interviews, too, and I'm like that I could relate to that. I feel like in the group and just in this whole world, I felt like that so many times.

So that really got to me, too, because I'm like, no matter what, I would have picked MJ. That's my friend. At the end of the day, it's like it does still mean something. It's not just about winning, you know? We for sure would have had each other's back. That gutted me a little. It was. What was the vibe in the castle?

Like, what were the group dynamics? Was it very much Peter and the gang and everyone else? Or is that just how it's looking? Peter and the gang and everyone else? Or is that just how it's looking? Well, before Ekin was murdered, Peter and Ekin had, like, acute, like, you know, flirtation. So Peter didn't really have alliances against Phaedra. It came later.

I think that CT was kind of happy when Bananas got eliminated. I feel like me, Sheree, and Phaedra, like, it was, they were, like, just like the way that you gravitate to people that you know. But we all had time to, like, get to know each other. Yeah. There were a lot of little sidebars, you know. There were a lot of activities where you would bond over because we like did something together, like the physical challenge. So, I mean, it was kind of like summer camp. It really was. I love that. What did you think of? So last week's episode ended with

Phaedra selecting Kate to be recruited. I was like, I kind of wanted to see if she would have given it another shot with Peter because would Peter have just been such a faithful? He would have sacrificed himself just completely losing and pulling himself out of the game because he wouldn't have been a traitor. True. So question A, what did you think about her choice with Kate? And question B, what do you think would have happened if she chose Peter? Bad choice with Kate. I don't think she should have chosen Kate. I agree with you. By the way, Tommy agrees with you.

He was yelling at the TV like, you should have gotten Peter. You should have gotten Peter. Because it's one or the other. He didn't have a choice. You're a traitor or you're dead. Yeah, totally. I think she should have chosen CT or Trishel even. Yeah, that would have been like an unexpected.

I feel like that's when you start to see people implode like self-destruct because the pressure was so much. Yeah. You know,

like everyone's like, how did she look so good? I was like, because she's really good at doing her own glam. That's what I, I know I texted you about this the other day,

but I'm like, she had to have had glam in the castle. How the fuck is she that good? She's so good. You know, I actually respect that because doesn't Lala also do her own makeup a lot of the time yeah I think that when you you know how it is when you don't want to have like someone's gonna come in now and now you're gonna have to clear out your kitchen or whatever the glam room

and then I love someone coming in you do no matter what it never is annoying for you today for example i have a shoot after this and i'm like it's just social media stuff for my new song it's not like anything we need a high-res cover art or whatever and i'm like do i do glam today i'm like i can do it okay myself so So there are certain days, but for filming, for interviews, for anything like that. Oh, I'm getting glam. For sure.

For interview, anything on camera, for sure. I just think that when you are smart enough to learn to do it yourself and you have the choice and you're not going to look crazy, that,

and I feel like she's smart because she's already does the mortuary. She's a lawyer. She's TV. And she does all these things. She's a mother. I feel like,'s smart because she's already does the mortuary. She's a lawyer. She's TV and she does all these things. She's a mother. I feel like because like that whole thing in the way Apollo didn't end up being a breadwinner. Did he like doesn't she hold it down for her whole unit? So like somewhere in there makes sense to learn how to be able to do her own glam, especially when you don't want to look crazy on TV.

She looked so good. So good. So good. I mean, flawless in every single scene. crazy on TV. She looked so good. So good. So good. I mean, flawless in every single scene. Flawless. Insane. Yeah. Who was your number one in the game?

And who did you get along with the most? Who did you trust the most? Did that shift at any point? Larissa and I were the closest. And if Bananas was there longer, it would have been he would have been one of them for sure. Yeah. By the way, I text him and tell him like the three of us have to hang out. I have to do that. Yeah. Right. So and then I think Sheree, I find her to be extremely trustworthy. So it does shift a little bit. Yeah. Because obviously once Larsa was gone and Marcus.

Right. I had the strongest bond with Marcus, Larsa, and Bananas. Damn. Yes. And then they're just all gone early. Boom, boom, boom. That's so tough. Done.

Oh, hello. What about Max? I had a really, really, really good bond, close bond with him too. Mm-hmm. Forgot. Yeah. Yeah. Then they all just out. Dead. Yeah. Then they all just out.

Dead. Yeah. Outside of yourself, who do you think deserves to win? You know, damn, who deserves to win? Only me.

You're like, I played the best game. If it was switched and Tommy was asked to be on Traders, how do you think he would do? Oh, so he thinks he would totally take it. And I'm like, you're such an armchair quarterback. I would love for him and Brock to be there next season.

Right? See, I would love that too. I'm like, honey, you can go off for a few weeks. Go ahead. Yeah. Let's be the mid-season spoilers. Yes. Yeah, let's do that.

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and where are they from? Everyone must know. Oh my God. So you're talking about the cargo denim. Oh, my God. OK, where else? They don't pay me. Revolve. Yes. OK. I feel like everything is from Revolve. I feel like I'm honestly maybe one of the only people who doesn't have anything from Revolve. Well well it's easy returns it's like you can buy online yeah when you're you know in bed about to fall asleep right

so it did get a lot of compliments before that and by the way the seamstress the the wardrobe girl she's the one that pinned them she was like hayley bieber pins them i was like these are too tight for this like body suit because because it was I was because so they do tell you what to wear. Yeah. They slip under your bedroom door. OK. A picture of what you're going to wear the next day. OK. So that was my next question was like, how do you and I always wonder this with like The Bachelor, too. I'm like, how do you even pack for being gone for up to what? Three weeks, I think, is the longest you could be there do they give you a breakdown of what you might need and then do you send them photos of wardrobe and they're like this

is the outfit that you sent us that you're wearing tomorrow or they just tell you a vibe they tell you if you stay all the way to the end you need this many outfits and we want you to go in it was like Harry Potter like navy blue maroon mustard yellow those were like they give you a mood board of colors and I was like I don't know if I have navy blue like when was the last time you wore navy blue I don't like that color for me navy blue I don't think I'm really a navy it doesn't give you like Harry Potter like I don't yeah I don't know I can't think of anything navy in my closet. It sounds like a school uniform.

Or really maroon. I have like one mustard yellow thing I can think of that I wore at my gender reveal. There you go. So it's like zero. Yeah. They tell you and then you bring it to Scotland. The first day that you get there, they come to your room. They have you try everything on.

They take pictures of it. And then they say, here you go. This is when. I guess that kind of makes it easier, though. Yeah, they're cool with it. They were really nice. And like toward the end, they also would like give you like fits from Zara that were cute. Nice.

Yeah. Love that. Who served your favorite fashion in the castle well I mean Larsa was wearing Balenciaga and god knows what so she was really cute and then after that um Peppermint was wearing really cute outfits like the monochromatic moments yeah and you know Trishel really brought like really cute outfits I'm pretty sure she had to have a stylist though because I don't see like Midwestern girls And, you know, Trishel really brought like really cute outfits. I'm pretty sure she had to have a stylist, though, because I don't see like Midwestern girls having like the creativity that she brought.

Right. You know, because I mean, I'm from a small town originally, like people forget. And like we don't see like provocative fashion. We don't see like, you know, trendsetters unless we're in L.A. or New York. Yeah. Yeah. And Phaedra and Sheree. I mean, there are so many awesome looks.

But I just, this is one show too that anytime I watch like The Bachelor, for example, I go on Reality Steve. I get all the spoilers. I know the end. And then I watch it with different eyes. This, and you can attest to this. I have not asked you once. Do you win? Who wins? I've not asked anyone. I'm just like, I want to actually be surprised every week. I don't want to know what to expect. I'm dying to know. But I'm like, I'm going to just watch it like the rest of the world and not get any spoilers. And that's true. It's so good. I know.

It's it's crazy. Yeah. Not that far away. I know at this point. You know, it also is so good on television that I miss and it needs to come back is Shaws of Sunset. You know something? I feel weird about it because Alex Baskin just had me on hot mic and it was supposed to be all about

traders and it had a lot more shawzy in it than traders. And, you know, like we're all a little psychic. I felt like really different for the first time because when it ended, I was glad because it was toxic for me, you know? And then I just did this like last week. Yeah. And they said that it will air on like Bravo Peacock like in a couple of weeks. So I was like kind of like, you know, when like your showrunner calls you and wants to have a drink. Right. So I was like, OK, well, like three coincidences lined up in a row. Like, I don't know. Who are you still close with from Shaw's?

I am close with Shervin. Showed him houses yesterday. Nima. Reza and I will always have the bond even if we went through our shit. It's like I feel great about it. Yeah. And that is Sammy from season one. Mm-hmm.

Mike, I would like to be, but he's, like, in a little bit of that, like comes around and goes around because like he's still healing from like his own stuff. You didn't mention Gigi. No. Any hope for reconciliation there? I can see us like talking about what it is that burdens and makes us so resentful.

And I would do that. But like as of today, like I'm not losing any sleep over someone who's just to me arbitrarily awful, like without any rhyme or reason. I know we've heard that there was maybe like a Raza GGMJ spinoff is that something that is in the works no okay no and thank god that that didn't yeah off because you know like if the three of us were together just the three of us I think people are way more interested in me and Tommy and our whole life. Like with that would include my mom. It can't just be the three of us. To me, that's not it. Yeah. Well, I know you saw Nima recently when you were in New York. I think I missed you by like two or three days. I had just had dinner with him and then you were there.

And he appeared on my podcast last year, which has now become a storyline on Vanderpump Rules this season. Have you seen or heard much about this? Yes, I've seen and heard some about it. about this? Yes, I've seen and heard some about it. I don't want to give this much light, but I also don't like that Nima's character is being unfairly dragged because he is next to Brock, like my number one dude and one of my absolute closest friends who I trust with my life. And so I agree to see the things that are going around Reddit, which I stay off of. It just gets screenshot and sent to me. Right. But to explain a little bit for those who maybe missed an episode, there was a comment

at the reunion that I had made about how it was an open relationship conversation between Raquel and someone. Which he told us in real time. So we knew it was not bullshit. Like, Nima is amazing, by the way. And I second that. He told you this in real time? Because I didn't find out until after March 1st last year. Yes, because of Hannah Burner's wedding. Remember? Well, that was right after Coachella. No, it was in May. Yeah. So maybe he didn't say anything to me because he knew Tom and Ariana were two of my best friends. But OK, so if he told you that in real time, like, right, he remembered this accurately. I feel like it's now being or at least tried and attempted to be covered up in a way where it's like, no, no, no.

I know he said I said that, but I didn't say that. I said this. And Nima is not a person who lies. No, Nima is not a person who exaggerates stories or tries to fluff them to be interesting. He tells it like it is. To his own. What's the expression when it's bad for you, but you still tell the truth. Yeah. To your own, I forget. Detriment? Yes. Thank you. Yes, yes, yes. To his own detriment, he is so honest. Yeah. And he's an amazing friend. So I feel you on that. Yeah. I know that Sandoval kind of blew this up and made it sound like he said that she was begging him and this and that. And he was just simply pointing out that it was inappropriate that while she was living in my apartment, she asked him to have sex on my bed where I sleep with my husband, where my baby sleeps. He was just like, that was so inappropriate. And it's a huge violation of your space.

inappropriate. And it's a huge violation of your space. Yeah. Your trust. It was disrespectful. I mean, it's gross because if I were that open with a woman while I have my husband and my child in my space, I would be way more protective and I wouldn't be nearly as generous as you were, which is why you being wronged by her the way that you have is why you deserve all the flowers because most women would never even allow that you know like they would be more like let her handle her own life and get her own this and and you on the other hand really you, took her in. Yeah. Anyways, back to the season of VPR. So Tom and I had a conversation in the back alley of Surrey, you know, just bringing it back to our roots. I saw that. And I was wondering, I was like, I hope there aren't any like rats. I don't know why that time when I watched it, I just like felt nervous. I was like, because you looked so good that day.

Thank you. It was too good to be back there. But he had said in that conversation that he really had to talk Raquel down after that podcast episode came out. Do we believe that? Because, I mean, Sandoval is really gunning for sympathy instead of accountability. So my first question was, did Tom tell her? Did her crisis PR tell her?

Because if she's in a facility with no internet, not really much access to a phone, who would have told her this? And I guess she said that it was her mom. Which also, if your daughter is in a facility working on her mental health, why would you tell her something that could set her back so many steps?

That's exactly what I was thinking. You should let her focus on her healing instead of leading her to the drama. Yeah, because she then said that that led her to some of her darkest thoughts. And it's like, as her mom, you should know that this could have been something that could upset her so much when I did the podcast never in a million years was that my intention I was not trying to hurt her I wasn't trying to hurt anyone I was just trying to clear Nima's name and to show that I wasn't a liar because I was protecting him on the show and I said this person they them like I didn't give him a gender I didn't give him a name I didn't want to throw Nima under the bus she was from what I heard about

Rachel's podcast is that she's having her publicist ask her the questions yes so that already is that already is someone controlling her. And it just seems like if she wanted to stay in the fray, it contradicts her wanting to get away from Vanderpump. And it contradicts her wanting to take a step back when now she's overly dedicating her existence to being here to clap back to things like let sleeping dogs lie if you truly believe. And Nima was sharing his experience. He was with us. He was asking us, you and me, who he should bring as his plus one to Hannah's wedding. That was the conversation he was having for a while. And, you know, when my belief is that when Rachel was sharing with Nima, it was months before Scandival broke out and she was sharing in her own way, not thinking that in the future, this is all going to become a public scandal. Yeah.

So that's when she was being open and honest with Nima, who is trustworthy. I also read that she said, I tried to set her up with Nima because I like to keep my ties with people in the Bravoverse. And I'm like, first of all, no, and I don't need to keep ties. We just are friends. But second of all, I wanted to set her up with Nima because I saw how James had treated her. And when she was single for the first time in a long time, I was like, you know what? I remember exactly where we were. We were sitting at this bar right across the street

from my old apartment in Hollywood. And I was like, you know what? I'm like, the next time my friend Nima is in town, and I showed her a picture of him, and I was like, what do you think? And she's like, yeah, he's cute. And I said, he is such a gentleman. He took me on some of the most amazing dates I've ever been on.

And he knows how to treat a woman. He knows how to respect a woman. And he would just show you a good time. Whether it turns into anything, I just want you to be taken out and treated with respect. Because that's what you deserve. And so I said, whether we go to New York, he comes to LA, I just want you to go on a date with him. It had nothing to do with him being in Bravo.

If anything, that was a bonus that he could relate to her on a level that other regular guys who aren't on a TV show ever could have, you know? I think she wanted to date him because she wanted to be in the Bravo world. That's a good point. So, yeah. I also saw that she had said that she didn't even listen to the podcast episode until this

past week. So, long story short, I just encourage anyone interested to go back and listen to that episode with Nima as I feel like things were being taken out of context and he is, like, his whole character I just feel like is were being taken out of context. And he is, like, his whole character, I just feel like is being unfairly questioned. But I think everybody knows that Rachel and Sandoval did a very unconscionable thing. And that speaks volumes.

And no one should have to defend themselves. It's like, we already know, Sheena,ena you're trustworthy you haven't done anything wrong so for her to try and come for you to me the only person that was there for her is just really sad and yeah i have to say it it's okay we're gonna take one more quick little break. Okay, so y'all know when you're at a holiday and you get cornered by that aunt or uncle at a family gathering and you feel like you have to bend the truth. You know, the one who asks like, when are you getting married? When are you having another baby? All of those questions that it's like only for her to not really listen and then just judge you. Well, while you may have to grin and bear it with your family, you shouldn't have to feel that way when you're talking to your doctor about maybe that weird rash that looks

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but I felt like, again, things come out and then I feel the need to share my side and to defend my friends because that's what I do. And Nima, you know, needed a little bit of us on his side. It depends. Yeah. He deserves it. Okay. So if you could return for another season of Traders, is there anything you'd do differently and who would you want to play with? So I want to play traitors with you let's both be traitors right yeah I think that when you watch how understated like you I was like very soft-spoken and I know that that's part of like the game you have to be but it's also hard to watch it back because when you're like like I was very soft-spoken. So I wonder if I could play it and last and be a little bit bigger.

And, you know, Kenya Moore, she's like coming into the comments a lot. And I heard through The Grapevine that she really wants to do it. So now because of this big season, so many people are going to want to do Traders now. Oh, yeah. You know, and so it's going to be very, very good. And yeah, I want to come back because it's really fun and it's really fast, you know. So other than Kenya, who do you think should be in the Bravo clique for next season of Traders? Other than you? Yeah. Other than me. Who? Dolores, Dolores, Dolores, Dolores. Wouldn't she be an amazing trader? And then if they recruited her, she would have that Yeah, other than me. Who? Dolores, Dolores, Dolores, Dolores. Wouldn't she be an amazing traitor?

And then if they recruited her, she would have that. Because remember how she was a warden in prison before? Yes. Yes. So she can handle everything. Yeah, I think she would be the best. Yeah. Traitor faithful. Is there anyone else you'd love to see join the roundtable next season?

Who else from the Bravo world do I think would be so good? Do you? Who do you have in mind? Anybody? I don't know. I'm trying to think of the shows. Honestly, it would be, I mean, Lisa would never do it, but it would be so interesting to see her in that setting. She could be like doing what Ellen does. Yeah. You know, who else from our shows do we want? I don't see anyone from VPR being there except for you. I don't see anyone from Shaw's being there.

Like Shervin could do anything. Nima could do anything. But what about Mike? Oh, my God. I would love for Mike to be there. Mike, I would love to see Mike anywhere, honestly. Mm-hmm. We should all hit up Mike and see if we can arm wrestle him to coming out of obscurity.

Yeah, we should. If you were casting an ultimate girls trip of fellow Bravo girls, who would you pick and where would you go? Okay, this one I would you go? Okay. This one I have thought about. Okay. So Golnessa, you, me,

Lala, and from Summer House, Paige. Oh, Leva from, from Love Her. And who are, like,

I think Kate Chastain would be so fun because she reads people so well. Yeah. And, like, we just need to do these shows already. I know, right? I love that they are now starting to integrate more shows together with, like, Winter House, the Ultimate Girls Trips, and all of that because we are all actually friends.

And then we, every year at bravo con make new friends it's true and now like captain jason that's my dude i'm like we should do a banner pump rules ultimate girls trip shaw somewhere else whatever down under on the yacht you know like how fun would that be to get a bunch of us and have the captain and you have the staff it's like that's such an integrated show that could totally easily be made. They can also do co-ed versions because our shows are co-ed. Right. And then, yeah, we can do girls trips and then boys and girls trips and then couples trips.

Yeah. And like, you know how that show Married to Medicine has like couples counseling because they're all married? Yeah. So like we could do a full on couples version and then like we have like beachfront couples counseling and games. It would be lit. Yeah. So like we could do a full on couples version and then like we have like beachfront couples counseling and games. It would be lit. Yeah. We're putting it out there. Yes. Let's do it. Any upcoming future reality TV plans for you? Because now that you've been back on see. I honestly, I was also on Hollywood House Lift doing my real estate thing, which is Jeff Lewis' show. So it's just, it's fun because I feel like right now I'm doing what made me interesting enough to be on TV in my real life. So I'm so happy, but I know that like things are always anything's possible.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for getting into some shenanigans with me. I know being a busy working mom to make the time, it means a lot to me. So thank you. Thank you to everyone for listening, for watching on YouTube. And thank you to anyone who has gone back and watched my YouTube multiple times. Thank you for the views.

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