Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - VPR Finale with Matt Rogers

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

This week, Scheana & Janet are joined in the studio by actor & comedian Matt Rogers. The trio dive into the Season 11 finale fallout, the VPR production pause, and spill some tea on ���The Valley.” Who does Matt say is the hottest guy in the group? What is Janet/Jason’s safe-word? And what’s the backstory on Scheana/Jason’s past fling? Plus, with RHONJ back on the air, are we Team Tre or Team Melissa? And why did Janet take a break from Kristen on doctor’s orders? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guest: @mattrogerstho @janetelizabethx The video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, May 10th.  Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Sponsors:Join today for free and get an extra 10% Cash Back boost on top of Big Give Week's 15% Cash Back. Go to rakuten.com or download the Rakuten App.Say hello to your IRL makeup filter in a bottle, COVERGIRL's Simply Ageless Skin Perfector Essence. Only from Easy, Breezy, Beautiful COVERGIRL.Visit lulus.com and use code SUMMERHONEY at checkout for 20% off your first purchase.Get 20% off on your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/summerhoney.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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it's time to catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now, here's catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. Coming off a long weekend, but welcome back to Shenanigans, everyone. Janet is back in the studio with me. Hello. And we have a very special guest who I've been wanting to get on the show for so long, and I'm very excited to introduce.

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You are one half of one of my favorite podcasts and bringing all of the culture with him today please welcome the very handsome and very funny matt rogers to the studio this is so exciting yay i know finally we've been talking about this for so long we've been in the dms yes we have and honestly it couldn't have worked out better because i get the finale which is it's my birthday this week i know happy birthday thank you taurus yeah good taurus my mom's a taurus i'm a taurus and my daughter's a taurus oh that's really i didn't realize that yeah it's like a lot of bull stubborn energy in this fam well didn't you just say summer moon was ordering you around yesterday well i saw her we went to right so matt and i were in vegas and you were at jazz night yeah we did Jazz Night at the museum at LACMA.

And yeah, Summer walks up to me and she's like, where's the baby? I'm like, maybe not as strong of a tone as I just did. But now when she sees me, she's like, that girl's got a baby and I need to see her. And I was like, he's over here. You can, you can. And she's the cutest with him. No, I love it. It doesn't make me want another yet, but it is cute to see how she is

with babies just in case yeah i ever changed my mind but lala's having one for me right now so it's like we've got janet we've got jenny's you know you got a bunch of test run opportunities exactly let's let's see how you do with two because i know according to stassi it's it's tough and a lot of people I feel like say like, oh, with a second, it's easy. And then, you know, they take care of each other. I think that's after the third or fourth. It's been hard.

That happens. I feel like two is a lot. Yeah. So I'm definitely not ready for that anytime soon. I told Brock, we are tabling that conversation until 2025. Is he wanting to have the conversation? He would love to have two more. Probably three. Yeah.

I'm 39 this week. I'm going to be 40 by the time I would even be ready to have a conversation. Gotcha. You know, if men could carry babies,

Brock would be really good at it. He 100% would. He would be really, really good at it and he would do it. Yep. And good at carrying the baby? Yeah.

I think he would make a really good pregnant man. Yeah. Honestly, I can see it. He's got those childbearing hips. Yeah. He's all about health and fitness and stuff. He would do really well really good pregnant man. Yeah. Honestly, I can see it. He's got those childbearing hips. Yeah. He's all about health and fitness and stuff. He would do really well.

Totally. As a pregnant person. He can rock a pattern suit more than anyone should be able to. I do have to say, I do think he is the hottest man in the entire universe, like by a country mile. Thank you. No, not in the universe of the world. Right. In the Bravoverse.

In the Vanderpump Valley universe. I think it's Brock for me. Yeah. No. thank you no not in the universe of the world although he's up there in the in like the vanderpump valley universe i think it's it's brock for me yeah no i think janet and i have the two hottest guys for sure yeah i would agree with you guys too and i'll say this i used to be someone who was like sandoval's hot and now i kind of can't go there anymore i can't either the mustache no i liked the mustache no here the thing. I did actually in the beginning. I really liked the stache. But then it just like started to gross me out. And then it was like, okay, get rid of it.

Well, it became a symbol of darkness. It did, of warming. It really did. We're going to get into all of the finale stuff. But first, how was your weekend in Vegas since the festival we were supposed to go to was canceled? So couldn't have been more excited for Lovers and Friends Festival. If you're out there and you don't know what it is, just imagine the best lineup in the world. If you're a millennial, like if you're like if you're like someone who went to high school from the year of like, like, I don't know, like 2000 to 2012.

Like you were going to get it at this festival. Then they announced the set list and it was like your brain was exploding you couldn't believe it we were at kylie minogue the night before me and my three friends that's fun 15 minutes before she went on we get a notification my one friend jared who like often exaggerates it's like the festival's canceled i was like yeah right okay then like we start to feel it go through yeah and like it starts to hit everyone because everyone was also there for that the disappointment i i just had to laugh immediately because i was just like i mean it's too too sad and too dark to really get upset right now so i'm

just gonna laugh and enjoy kylie yeah we made the most of it but unreal and we went to go see magic mike instead it was canceled for wind for wind it was a light breeze that's right it was a 60 miles per hour my flight was not delayed it come on no it was like idyllic all day and then around like 6 p.m it did start to get a little bit like gnarly out there and i was like okay and of course me with all the answers i'm like we'll move it inside like you know there's a contingency plan like have only five of them perform right who's here i'm like ready to like pr it yeah meanwhile it's like had even one person gotten hurt like that would not have been worth it so all loved people making the decision but that did suck we were at thunder from down under and all of our phones start going off like it's like an

amber alert or a flood warning or something and we're like oh my god oh my god oh my god right then there's a stripper behind britney and we're like all on our phones like oops sorry sir yeah we're just going through something right now that's what i actually saw a i don't know one of the blogs or something post that britney was being pulled up on stage and her friends couldn't seem more disinterested but that makes sense no you guys were just dealing with the crisis you guys when she was on stage i was literally like jumping up and down i was laughing so hard i couldn't breathe lala's umbilical hernia was like ready to burst she was just like i can't laugh anymore i was like holding her stomach i'm like you got this baby girl we're

okay but oh my gosh it was incredible i felt like it was exactly what brittany needed right now in her life it was the first act it was the tallest hottest aussie who had no rhythm when it came to dancing but we're like it's okay you're like six six just go up there throw her on that bed tie her up do your thing yeah oh my god what do they do with the show i've never seen it's crazy if it was anything like magic mike which i was at it's like really yeah they're in it yeah I've seen Magic Mike and I'm like, yeah, it's a lot. And the thing is at Thunder and Chippendales, because I was a season regular while I lived in Vegas. Yeah, you've hit the circuit.

I've been on all of the stages. Magic Mike the most. Yeah. Then Thunder, then Chippendales. But the thing about Thunder and Chippendales is because they do show like full ass, you can't have phones. and Chippendales is because they do show like full ass. Yeah. You can't have phones. So when Brittany went

on stage, it was great because no one was able to record it except my friend Kurt, who is the MC of the show. He got it from backstage from the perfect angle. Got it. Yes. I got to see that video. We've got it. I'll show you. I needed a lot more ass in Magic Mike. We got one ass.

That's one. And then the rest of it was truly not enough ass for me but what i will say they gave was really insane like aerial stuff so good the the one audience plant the girl who was like wearing this like basic mini dress so they pulled her up she's like oh my god couldn't look more unassuming they like reveal that she's like the best dancer in the world oh yeah they did this thing with the water they're flinging each other we were gagged it was crazy that was your first time seeing it first time okay and all i knew of it was like that sutton had freaked out and i'm watching it like come on girl like what like she had to have been like just maybe a little

too drunk or like maybe just not for that atmosphere because there was nothing there. Yeah, it was intense, but it wasn't like offensive. Yeah, it wasn't like clutch your pearls run out. Right. There's only one ass. I did love watching the spot. It was like a museum. I was like, that's where Sutton sat down.

And Kyle was like, is it because they didn't pull you up? No. She's like, but I wore pants. Yes. We need plaques everywhere. That's like, but I wore pants. Yes. We need plaques everywhere. That's like, this is where Garcelle walked out at this time. That's where Sutton wore her pants.

Yeah. Yeah. The Magic Mike show is so incredible. They're some of the highest paid, like next to Cirque on the strip. I know because they're all professional dancers. They sing. They have the aerial numbers. I mean, it is such an incredible show.

I've been at least 10 times to see Magic Mike. Yeah, it's good. I mean, I, it was, so I was with me and my gay friends and I was like, are they going to like completely ignore us or be weird to us? Because I never know. But honestly, they didn't ignore us. They came over and they were giving us little fist bumps. One of them went like this to my friend, Jared, like got his chin. We were like feeling good about it.

We were in the back row because that was all we could get late notice. that probably was okay like it was for the ladies let them be up there well next time if you want some more ass you're gonna have to go to thunder i will i do want more ass just like generally like i'm waving to the camera i do want more ass yeah i i hadn't seen thunder in like five years and the production value has gone up so much in that show. I'm like, y'all definitely took some notes from Magic Mike. 100%. You want to see some ass? Yeah, no, I mean like if everyone's elevating, I'm happy about the competition. Good. Let's

keep it healthy. Definitely. Good for our economy. Our ass economy. Alright, well we do have a lot to cover this week. We've got the VPR finale. Lots of stuff going on over the hill cover this week. We've got the VPR finale, lots of stuff going on over the hill in the valley. Real Housewives of New Jersey is back. It's my birthday. But before we get into all this, we're going to take a quick little break and we will be right back. All right, y'all say hello to your IRL makeup filter in a bottle. The only thing that has been on my face for several months now and

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Matt, I want to know if you can help me and my audience out with a bit of culture PSA. Okay. audience out with a bit of culture psa okay so i'm gonna read you these prompts and then just yeah give me your um your opinions okay so like what all should we be watching what should we be listening to where should we be eating vacationing what events oh you want you want to know give me the culture of 2024 okay so get this so i had Dua Lipa on my podcast last week because Radical Optimism came out and we actually asked her, where's her favorite place to vacation? And I said, if you say Epcot right now,

it will break the internet. But she did not. She actually didn't even take the bait. She was like, it's like south of Albania. So now me and Bowen are like, we're trying to go on like a summer vacation. We're going to go to see Taylor Swift on July 4th in Amsterdam.

Oh my God. Oh, that'll be amazing. It's going to go off. By the way, we were going to go to see Taylor Swift on July 4th in Amsterdam. Oh, that'll be amazing. It's going to go off. By the way, we were at the same Eros tour. I didn't know you then. Yeah. But I saw you.

It was with my friends. It was like on the floor on the left. Yep. And I think you were with James and Allie. I was, yeah. And I was like, oh my God, there they are. We were too busy like belting wildest dreams and crying.

But like, that was my, this is embarrassing that was my fourth time going to see the arrows tour and this will be my fifth wow i'm hardcore i've seen lana del rey 30 times live i just saw her for the first time at coachella i'm the hardest stand now oh my i don't know where i've been on lana del rey you got yeah i'm happier yeah well it's like i left early at coachella you did i went to the nylon party Nylon Party I don't want to be put to sleep and depressed at a music festival The one thing Janet and I

really don't agree on is music You want to be up good as gold Like Eric Church at Stagecoach put me to sleep I felt like I was at a funeral Really? Eric Church did? Yes. Everyone left and flooded the Nickelback stage

You know i would say everyone left and flooded the nickel backstage nickelback just shot up in their beds like guys guys guys um no that's honestly like coachella was so great it was my second time going it was by far my favorite time but in terms of uh what dua was saying you got to go to the south of albania okay or you got to go to ibiza which she pronounced it like that which i loved and the thing about like music right now is there's so much new stuff that it's hard to also be where i'm at and like experiencing lana for the first time because i have so much homework i have to do all of her discography eternal sunshine i'm still'm Still Spinning by Ariana Grande.

Radical Optimism is out now. It's good. There's a lot of gays online being like, it doesn't give. I was confronted at Piranha in Las Vegas the other night. Oh my God, I almost went. You should have. I know. Oh my God, that would have been fun.

You would have lit it up. Yeah. But literally gays just listening to my podcast coming up being like, you hyped the Dua album too much. I'm like, relax. Get away from me if you're going to come at me with your negativity. I love the new Dua album. Cowboy Carter is great.

I've seen Challengers twice in the movie theaters. Have you guys seen Challengers? No, not yet. It's so hard for me to get to the movies with the kid because then I have to get someone to watch her after I put her down. And by the time I get to a movie, I will fall asleep in it. Yeah, it's also not a movie where you can sort of bring your kid in and like challengers is not that I have to tell you an iconic story years ago it was like 20 I don't know maybe 2014 whenever the first 50 shades of gray came out yeah me Bowen and our friend Anna

went to go see it it was on Valentine's Day and it was like three quarters of the way through the movie and I swear to god like we've seen so much sex she's been like you know tossed and turned from tip to tail and i just hear in the back of the theater like daddy can i go to the bathroom like it was revealed to us at that moment oh no there had been a child the entire time watching 50 shades and we were just like our brains exploded and as we were leaving my friend Anna was like well you know

it is hard to get child care like etc and I was like no we have to draw the line at Fifty Shades of Grey come on

you wait till it comes out you watch it at home you put your kid to bed well there's an age the babies may be sure if they totally completely can't understand

what's going on not a potty trained kid at 17. She's going to ask questions. Once you go see Challengers and the threesome begins, it's like, you know, that's not something kids are just going to forget. It becomes a formative moment in their culture. Threesomes was a topic of conversation in the Vanderpump finale.

I don't know how much Janet wants to get into that. As a mother, I'm not willing to get into that. Not on Mike, at least. This is actually the first time in three trips in Vegas I haven't had a threesome, actually. I was just thinking about that. Like the last two times I was there. Oh, you're fun to go to Vegas with.

Oh, yeah. I turn up on vacation. I'm kind of boring in LA. And then like I go to either New York or vacation, wherever it is, and I'm like a different person. I then like I go to either New York or vacation wherever it is that I'm like a different person I wear like a hat I love it have you ever had a threesome while in a relationship I wasn't in the relationship but I have been sort of the special guest star that's the only way to do it honestly I think it's really good because you do get the most attention because they're so bored of each other that's why they're doing it so it's just like I really do like to be

sort of the featured person and then also you get to leave at the end of it and like never talk about it again when you're in the couple you have to sort of unpack the experience like be like this is how i felt this is how you felt yeah when you did this that the other i'm like this is why i'm not in a relationship yeah because i love it keep it easy have fun before you know totally do the marriage before i get wiped up yeah yeah again looking for more ass and also more commitment as we were speaking of ass at thunder i was just like we've talked about brock guest starring in that show because he's really good friends one of his friends from back home is the mcr friend kurt yeah and i'm just like i think he needs to like

same as Vinny from Jersey Shore. I think Gleb from Dancing with the Stars is doing Chippendales right now. The guy from 98 Degrees. Right. We need Brock Davies to do, even if it's just one night. He's such a good dancer. He's got such a good ass and I don't care if the world

sees his ass. So comfortable in a Speedo. Literally. Can I say when you guys, well, you did it famously, but when y'all played paintball, you got to get your husband out of those shorts. He's got to wear pants. Because he really, that could have broken the skin. I was so shook and nervous the entire time.

I didn't feel safe watching. I know. Brock's a tank. I feel like he could take like an actual bullet and be fine. Everyone's a tank until you get shot with a paintball and then like And then you're a little bitch. He was black and blue after that. It was all right here. I mean, he was bruised pretty bad, so he took it like a champ.

Did he complain about the bruise? Because I feel like he'd be like, whatever. Whatever. Yeah. Is it just cultural to be in shorts the entire time for him? I think he also maybe even wore flip-flops that day. He had shoes in the car. I'm like, honey, we're going paintballing. I thought it was maybe indoor like more like a laser tag situation yeah that was your line no it was outdoor in the desert it's intense i went one time for a bachelor party

i would never it was crazy but i was kind of good i'm kind of spry you can see me do a duck and roll it makes sense the threesome thing exactly it was all training what which one was for what who knows all right so i've got to ask because it is finally finale week on vanderpump rules i'm so happy that this is finally airing we can have the reunion air and then just you know see what's next which i also want to get into but overall thoughts on the finale all right i want to ask you a question okay who are you better friends with really for real period sandoval or ariana who's more who's who's a better closer person to you in your life right now i don't speak to either of them that much you don't speak to either of them no i would

imagine that this is all going to come out at the reunion because it felt like for a while it was like a couple of things floating around, right? Like Tom and Ariana maybe didn't have a good relationship and Ariana and Rachel were actually not that close of friends. They were though that they were that close. So then Rachel is just on the podcast like it's all lies. Yeah. Really? Yeah. A lot of the stuff that she's portraying is i'm like

wow they were that close very interesting take when she was yeah when she was living in my apartment and brock's family flew in from australia she went and stayed with tom and ariana yeah those were her next people we were the three closest people in her life so that is 100 true i guess that's gonna be the thing that is gonna be frustrating for you guys now is because that thing happened at the end of the finale where everything went down and tom went over to you guys and was like she talks shit about you she doesn't like you this isn't real now what's gonna start to be questioned is okay what actually of this show is real which of it is leaned into which of it is constructed and

that might just be a frustrating thing going forward that you guys might have to field is like how much of it was wasted energy on the fans part yeah if it wasn't actually real and that's where i feel like it's opening up a new place for season 12 to go where I think the fourth wall has to be down because we do have to address all of those things. And if the show could move in a direction like the Kardashians and D'Amelio's where you're talking about the show on the show, like we just did for the finale this week, I feel like there's so much room for the show to go. Yes. And there is room for Tom and Ariana to stay on the same show if we're acknowledging

I'm not filming with him. Yeah. I'm not filming with her. Like, they can both be on it. But the way this last season worked, it was this is an ensemble show about a group of friends. So if y'all aren't filming together,

then there is no show. We'll wrap it up. The season will end early and move on with your lives. Vanderpump Rules is done. None of us were willing to do that. aren't filming together then there is no show we'll wrap it up the season will end early and move on with your lives vanderpump rules is done none of us were willing to do that no you know nor should you and i do think that like you're right it now it's sort of a game changer because it's like it all goes down like you have these people saying like actually i don't like you actually we're not close. Actually,

we were not this. And I'm like, whoa, it's almost like now it's going to restart, which is why I think it's good. And if you want to speak about the pause about how long you think that would be, I would think I'd be really curious about that. I personally feel like I don't have any inside information or the last people to find out.

Yeah. I would imagine. I feel like where things are with the Valley right now, they needed to pick up cameras two weeks ago. Yeah. I think imagine. I feel like where things are with the Valley right now. They needed to pick up cameras two weeks ago. Yeah. I think the Valley needs to film a full season.

Maybe we cross over on it because these are our friends in real life. I loved the crossovers too. Like I think it's so fun. For sure. I mean, that's real. But I could see Vanderpump

picking up maybe in the fall after the Valley fully wraps up. I think last year you wrapped in like October or something. September. So like maybe we start in October. I think last year you wrapped in like October or something. September. So like maybe we start in October.

I also think filming in a different time of year, a different season, a Halloween party. 100%. Instead of the same birthdays over and over and over. We don't need another

Tom Sandoval fucking birthday. Yeah, no, I don't think so. We're always filming July 7th every season. Yeah, yeah. Give us some holidays in the desert. Like also another. Vanderpump Christmas. A Vanderp every season. Yeah, yeah. Give us some holidays in the desert. Like, also another.

Vanderpump Christmas. A Vanderpump Christmas. I love that. I want to see Summer Moon open gifts. Right? Yes. And that's another opportunity for a Valley crossover with Vanderpump is my family, Janet's family, and Lala's family, we do Christmas together in the desert.

So if we could do some stuff like that, I think a ski trip. I'm always so jealous of the housewives who get to go on these fun snow trips where it's like, that would be really cool. So that's my prediction is just, you know, let's give it several months of the sandwich shop being open. And let's, you know, Ariana's going back to Broadway. And let's all just live our lives for the next five, six months and pick up where we're at then instead of where we left off after the reunion because that's where we're all at right now is where we left off at the reunion how bad how bad was it the reunion it was very different than last year because it wasn't a lot of like finger guns screaming and cussing at each other it was very different, but very intense. Right now.

That's because like you were saying you saw the finale footage actually while you were shooting the reunion. The last part of it. The last part of it. So that would be like after Ariana had stormed out and Tom like blew up her spot about like quote unquote not liking you guys, etc. How much of that do you believe? See, that's the thing is now since scandival i feel like my judgment with everyone is off i

feel like i can't trust anyone the way that i used to and i feel that way about literally everyone in my life sadly and yeah that was really emotional for you when you said that i'm like i don't think you just made that up out of thin air i think there's some truth to it so whether it was just Ariana one time saying she was annoyed with me for something small or whether it was more than that that did get in my head and maybe that was his goal and I think that was

his goal yeah that was that line to me stuck out in the finale more than anything is that oh she doesn't like you guys and she's lazy and all this I'm like this is who is who I, you know, people are like, oh, why don't, why don't you guys forgive Tom or move on with him? And it's not your thing. I'm like, cause I have always gotten the feeling that he's not really that remorseful and sorry.

And that finale moment, I was like, aha, there it is. That's what I thought all along that he's still trying to, trying to drag her down. And I think when you're in a relationship with someone for 10 years you bitch about people yeah if you ask jason has she ever said anything about sheena yeah i've bitched about you to my husband before like you've bitched to brock about me before you get annoyed when you're in these long-term friendships there's ups and downs absolutely so and i think for him to throw that in people's faces after the relationship is done is unfair. And it was gross to me.

And it just showed me that he's not as remorseful and sorry. Obviously, it's impossible for her to be around him because of all of that. And when he says things like to you, when he when he throws the stuff from like your 20s and in your face and like when he when it's like his playbook, right? Like when he feels backed into a corner he says something really nasty and harmful yeah with the intent to harm and like when he does that again and again and again and again it's like you're watching the show and all you're doing as a viewer is rooting for you guys to see it. I know. And I understand the mentality of like, he started the show,

he's not going anywhere on the show, but I guess that's where we're at. We're like kind of painted into a corner then and like all season, I think the big question was, are they going to be able to rise above this? And if at the end of the day, the answer is no,

then what do we do? I guess, yeah, it is up to her. her yeah and i think that's a reason for the production pause is what do we do where do we go you know because yeah i think it's i don't know the answer to that right now i do think it'll be good it's like everyone needs space right now yeah would you guys ever fuse the show i mean y'all are being the producers but do you would you think they would ever fuse the shows because it's feeling like if like you are gonna lose cast members from Vanderpump Rules like I'm not sure what's happening at the valley but like if it was tenable to do a show all together I guess it's two hit shows compared to one so yeah I would love to you know hang out with people on the valley

more because these are my real friends so yes that would be so and even that sentence is like crazy you know what I mean like those are your real friends over there yes, that would be so fun. And even that sentence is like crazy. You know what I mean? Like those are your real friends over there. And so you're on a show with not your real friends. I mean, no, they're my friends on this show as well. I wouldn't be on the Valley if it wasn't for Sheena and our friendship and introducing me to the group of people that ended up then being my neighbors. So it all really is like incestuous. It's just like different groups of friends.

Vanderpump, I feel like are more other than lala like the party friends the people you go to the bars with you go to the dj shows and stuff whereas the valley are my parent friends yeah these are the people i do play dates with and birthday parties and it is just two real groups of friends but very different once you have a kid right 100 like it brings out a different camaraderie almost I have to say like this is not what happened in the finale a little bit though like the Joe of it all

it breaks my fucking heart because that girl really thought that was going a different way and he with the Joseph Joseph I'm just like this is so lame and limp dick and weird like this is is so lame and limp dick and weird. Like, like this is just so to put this girl through this on television and then not be able to speak to it at all.

Tom Schwartz gets away with so much like I'm a guy stuff that it bothers me to my core. Like y'all could never get away with doing. Now I got that. I would like to say everything that I know about Joee but out of out of respect i will not but there's a reason several reasons why he was trying to slowly cool it down yeah i get it i just feel like you know why bring her into the fold if it was gonna, if you didn't like this girl in that way or like if you were just

hooking up with her and, because I, I don't know if I believe that he said for me and I'm like, I'm in love with you. I want to be with you.

I don't think he ever said that. So you think, I think that was her interpretation of him being like, love you dude. When she said, I have to call, I want to call my dad

at the end of that episode when he was like breaking up with her I was like see this is the part where I'm like this girl really shouldn't be on reality television no she absolutely should not be torn with her because I also you know I feel for her and totally with everything

you just said but also I I can't erase from my memory that she did know about the affair and I was with her at Thanksgiving at Tom and ariana's house and she knew it was going on then raquel tom and ariana are all there welcoming this woman into their home feeding her a thanksgiving feast all that and i look at i'm like i want to feel bad for you but that was that's too much she was so blindly in love with tom schwartz and i think

that he was getting off on it and I think it sucks because not everyone is like Rachel where she's gonna do this like stage like kiss with you at the at the at the at your wedding to like do the show it's like this girl was really in love with you dude and that's a mess

yeah and I don't know I think maybe that's another reason why the pause is good is because I think like perception of what's OK to put people through just amongst the cast is getting a little warped. Yeah. I think we all just need a bit of a breather. Yeah. No, let's let's eat some sandwiches, go back to Broadway, work on some other projects. I love your storyline. I loved Lala's story. All the individual storylines I thought were great. Just meshing them all together. Meshing them all together is tough.

I think we need some time to figure out how to do that. I think overall it'll be a good thing. It was the most difficult season we've ever had to film because it was the first time ever where I felt like oh my god if I have a conversation with this person then i'm gonna lose this person then the whole audience is gonna hate me and i'm like oh my god it was just like constantly politics in your head

i'm like trying to gauge reaction i guess like it can never be as simple as this but like it should just be like an actual real group of friends that like we watch dynamics go by and it's not that deep but unfortunately something happened that was so fucking deep. And the entire world had an opinion on it. So it's like, yeah, I feel like nothing could have fractured this group more. And I don't know how we come back from that. But I know that individually, all of our stories aren't done being told. No, I think the answer is with time.

Yeah. With some time. And it's like I said, everyone's individual story. I liked. I even thought like the goofy stuff with like Schwartz and Katie both dating. Is it Tori? Tori, yeah. Like I thought that was so great.

And by the way, Katie was hot. Yeah. Yeah. Like there was something about it when i was watching it and i was getting a little shy i'm like if katie bellini made a move on me i think i'd be a goner like it was really but that's the kind of stuff i think is like fun and great and like whatever even if i i know in my heart that like that would never happen in life like they're not going for the same girl no it was still like fun to watch and felt like Vanderpump.

It was. But then, yeah, it was like the beach was tough. Like, yeah. I will say my favorite part of the finale was the stuff I had with the band. That was great. I loved being able to perform. Yeah. To not look like a joke.

You were great. I loved it. It was great. I loved it. Yeah. I want a good as gold vinyl. I should have brought one for you today. Oh my great. I loved it. It was great. I loved it. Yeah. I want a Good as Gold vinyl. I should have brought one for you today.

Oh my God. I want one too. I'll get you guys one. You don't have one? No. We have to send out some orders this week so just text me your address

I'll send you one. I think I messaged Brock last time he was like making them and I was like where's mine? I got you. Did you know

when Good as Gold was first a little germ in your mind that it would go on to be this? No. Who would have known 10 years later Screamo number one the screamo it goes off it goes really hard like i love it and we have so much more music that we're working on right now the next single as soon as i

shoot the album artwork for us it's done and mastered and we'll be putting that out and then i still have two more after that for the ep. I love the era of Sheena where she just, everywhere she rolls now, she has these like four like young guys behind her. We were like, we were like shooting something like a little social media thing. And it was me and the 27s. And I came from,

I think Pilates. So I was like in sweats and stuff. And I had like a grandma sweater on and we're filming this. I'm like, it's going to look like it's like these cool young guys and like their aunt I look like I'm like not belonging in this group whatsoever

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I got a lot, so let's not miss the count. The timer is clinging. Let's put a little disclaimer of who I'm talking about underneath. But nobody else gets one, even though everybody else is talking shit. Just me. Just the angry villain pregnant lady.

Do you feel that way? That that's what they're doing to you? Well, look, I was trying to be very honest and myself. And so when they sit there and they say, do you like to gossip? I'm like, yes, all of us do. You know, when something happens, like, you know, but I do think there's a disclaimer there. Like, I don't want to talk about stuff that's going to destroy a family.

Right. Correct. You know what I mean? what i mean a good line to draw yeah it's like you know if if we you know when we hear jackson britter splitting of course i'm gonna have a conversation with sheena about that yeah but a lot of that also is like how do we support britney what should we be doing for her right now should we go over there tonight and help her do this this and this should we you know it's like sure you can label gossip i think is just like all bad but it's really not i like to talk i think everybody else does yeah yeah i do think it's it's i'm gonna i'm trying to take it with a grain of salt you know when they had that counter up i was like all right they're showing the same clips of me talking about people over and over again and sure i'm guilty of you know certain things everyone's talking about everyone because that's the job

that is what the show is where you have a conversation and then you relay the conversation to the next person and that that's rinse and repeat that's what we do and you're being asked what what do you think about this situation with these people and you have to voice an opinion so do you feel like now having done a season of this where you know what's up when you say certain things and like i'm sure you've watched it a couple times and you're like oh my god that that is edited or depicted in a way that is wild and not really what i wanted will you approach season two different oh my god if there's a season two and i'm asked back i'm gonna be like i've got nothing to say

on that i'm gonna be that's the problem i'm just kidding. Honestly, no, I'll be real with stuff, but maybe a little bit more careful. You know, just does this thought that I'm saying, can I support it standing alone without maybe the before and after? Because, you know, Steph, you can't get a whole 20-minute conversation in something.

So I might be a little bit more careful that every single thing I say is fair game on its own. This is the beauty of first season cast members is like, they may think they know what they're getting into, but then they don't. And then you see it edited and then you watch it all back and you see what everyone else says about you behind your back. But then for the rest of the seasons, you do get in your head and then you have the audience now who's basically another cast member right you know i mean when vanderpump rules started it was not like that

instagram was barely going out and now there were so many things this season where yes i'm having a conversation but i'm like oh my god what is this going to be like when it airs and then what's this person going to feel like when they see it and then what is she gonna say on my dms literally so it does make doing our job so much more challenging and i feel like that's where lala was really frustrated is it's like we've been showing up and we're gonna be getting shit for doing our job but it's just like i wish it didn't feel like you guys had to think so much about that macro stuff too, because I do think you guys will trip yourselves up doing that. Like when Lala was saying a few weeks ago that she was nervous about the new season

because Ariana had never held the A story or like held the center of the show. I'm like, that shouldn't really be your concern, you know? Like maybe that's like, and so, but I do, I would imagine like, especially starting the Valley now, like 11 seasons into Vanderpump, and now it's like you're starting it and social media is a thing. I wonder how that would have changed. If there was no social media, do you think you would act different? That's a good question.

Because honestly, I thought, I've seen Sheena do this for years and years and years. I'm like, I know what I'm getting into. But when somebody says it about you or your kid or your marriage or your husband, it hurts. You know, I would be lying if I said I haven't been sobbing looking at my phone. You know, I've gotten straight up, you know, especially with topics like racism being brought up. Oh, yeah. Then all of a sudden I have slurs in my DMs that are I'm like, nothing can prepare you for that. It hurts. in my DMs that are, I'm like, nothing can prepare you for that. It hurts. So it is, it's hard to say like, yeah, part of me wants to say I would be a little bit different, but then part of me is like,

no, I want to live my authentic self in life. And anything I would, anything I would do in real life, I'm going to do here. You know, I'm getting like some shit right now. They're like, you're icing Kristen out. That's not really my intention. I'm not saying nobody film with her. I'm not filming with her. I'm just, I'm not going to be inviting somebody. What does that remind you of? Right. Right. But I'm, you know, I was seven and a half, eight months pregnant when we filmed and, you know, I talked about this and I was very open about it, but you, you know, you can't see everything, but I started having contractions very early on because of some of these, you know, heavy topics and fights and people screaming at each other and it getting

really close to physical things happening where I was like, I might have to bow out of this completely. Yeah. So that because I'm not willing to risk my pregnancy now to make a good TV show. I don't give a shit about that in comparison. And, you know, there was a point where I had to say like, all right, I'm having, I didn't even realize what it was. But after the night at the Mondrian, when I was sitting there and everybody's screaming and it's, you're messing with my family. And it's all this stuff.

I was sitting there, my stomach turned into a rock. And I was like, that's weird. And I didn't know that that was a contraction. And I called my doctor the next day and I was like, this weird thing happened. And she's like, what were you doing when? And when and I was like oh we were fighting on television yeah we were you know we were doing this thing and she was like okay you can't be in that if that's the environment you can't be in it and I did think about fully bowing out but you know my producers and the the people around me were like, no, don't don't quit. Like you can

we can make this a safe environment. And if you if every time you're around Kristen, she's dropping these huge allegations and bombs and things and dragging you into it. And it's causing you this much stress. You don't have to invite her. If you I wouldn't have been inviting Kristen in real life with no cameras around if she was doing this stuff to me. So I made the choice to be as authentic to myself as I could by saying, OK, this person's lying and saying I'm calling people racist when I have never said anything like that. That's rich coming from her. Yeah. Right.

And I'm like, so if I if I would be avoiding her or putting up a boundary in real life, I'm going to also do that here. Right. That's what I do. It's real. And, you know, Kristen's like when the audience hates when you ice someone out. Well, sorry. I guess, you know, what would the audience rather me continue and cause harm to myself? Like, I'm not willing to do that. Do you actually think that Kristen meant you harm in that way and maybe wouldn't care if there had been something? No, I don't think that I don't think necessarily with Kristen. There was one text message Kristen sent me around after when I was gone from girls night and she announced this stuff.

She kind of said like, hey, there's a big miscommunication and I hope your baby's OK. And just that like phrase, I was like, well, of course we hope that. What do you kind of mean? And I was like, it was this kind of, you know, thing. I don't think Kristen intended for anything bad to happen to me, but I do think there were things that happened. I had a gut feeling,

I will say like specifically about Zach. You know, we hadn't spoken for two years before my birthday and for a lot of reasons oh I know and I had a gut for not wanting to invite him on my baby moon and I will say that after some recent events I feel very happy that I made that choice yeah I think you made the best decision for you. And I think for Zach to sit there and be like, Janet and I are in a great place. I'm like, why would I not be invited? Like, it's because I'm not in a couple. I'm being singled out. And we're like, no, bro. It's the things you've said and the things you've done over the past two

years. Yeah. I mean, I didn't speak to him for two years before, like I said, before a good reason. And then there's a couple of weeks later, I'm choosing who I'm going to spend a weekend in a house with and, you know, not be able to escape. And I'm like, who am I comfortable being under the same roof as for three days? And he wasn't it. I had a gut feeling that I shouldn't invite him. And I feel very happy and vindicated with the choice I made. Yeah, always trust your gut, especially like that mom's intuition. I was just going to say, does your gut get really even stronger after you're a mom?

Absolutely. Yeah, it really does. It really does. And it's just when you're pregnant too, you feel like this. I felt like anything that wasn't, anything I felt like, ooh, this doesn't feel right. I just wanted to push out. And I really do feel like that was wasn't anything I felt like, oh, this is doesn't feel right.

I just wanted to push out. And I really do feel like that was an instinct that I. I mean, they do say that your gut is always right. Always. Yep. So along with the Kristen of it all, I saw she recently announced on her podcast that y'all are not having a reunion. When Jasmine was here last week we talked about it a little bit but it wasn't announced yet so are you surprised by this how

are you feeling about this i'm bummed you know i would really like there's so much that's happened and there's i think there's a lot to say that doesn't make any sense i know wait why i mean it's it's never up to us isn't the show a huge hit yeah we have great viewership but it's never up to us. Isn't the show a huge hit? Yeah, we have great viewership, but it's always obviously up to Bravo. And, you know, I don't know what goes into making that decision, but they've decided it's not for us. Do you think that they are just pulling back

on Bravo in general right now? Because like BravoCon being canceled, like I'm annoyed for you that you can't at least go to BravoCon because that was so positive. Like you feel, well well unless you're like someone who you know gets booed was was getting booed but like i was one of those people you were you really yeah oh i didn't see that yeah it's okay well i'm just saying like it it was it felt like that would at least be nice to go there and like see fans or whatever yeah but them canceling that, not giving the Valley a reunion, very few housewives happening right

now. Do you think that is all a response to the controversies? I don't know. That's a great question. I mean, I assume that it always just comes down. I mean, it's a business. So I always assume it's just a business decision. But I personally would love a reunion because there's a lot I would love to say.

Also, reunions are a chance to kind of clear the air, say what you want to say, and then kind of have a fresh start going into the next season if we get one. And I feel like all of us really need that. There's so much. There's a lot broken in our group. Yeah. You know, we all went into the summer. I remember Michelle right before, you know, my birthday. And so she's like, what's the drama going to be?

I remember that. And I was like oh no and you know we all went in as friends you know for the most part and a lot has been shattered and i think it's gonna be hard i don't know just going into it without any sort of resolution that you get at a reunion but yeah we'll see i feel like they need to pick up the cameras like yesterday. What is going on? There's no reason why you guys should not have a reunion. That's weird. There's something else going on.

I truly, I don't know. Did something happen with Brittany and Jax where they can't be in the same room now? No. Everybody would show up, I think. Yeah. As far as I know, everybody like. All first seasons don't get a reunion. That's what I think. It's one of the biggest hits on the network

we did at Sur you know it wasn't a let's fly to New York let's fly to LA but also reunions were different then it was like it wasn't always a given now it's like the reunion is part of the culture of these Bravo shows so to not give one to the like one of

the biggest shows on the network there's something else going on there I would do it at Jax's if we have to right do it on YouTube look

maybe it's not too late maybe the original plan of the reunion wasn't happening and they realize actually we do need to do one and maybe it still will

I would love for them to that feels too weird to me also I want to say on the topic of Jax's I went there for a Valley Vanderpump like viewing me and my friends went they've got a good menu yeah it's a big oh it is that's why they just changed all the rockos things to jacks's okay cool great uh all love to rockos i guess i haven't been to rockos but i had fun and i ordered a britney sweet tea oh yeah i love that it was cute

so also on this week's episode of the valley jesse asks the group if butthurt is a real word so i mean i was kind of surprised he's never heard that word before that's like classic i don't you know i there's a lot i'm very confused by, but butthurt is so real. Yeah. And also some people think that to say someone is butthurt is homophobic. That's not homophobic. Butthurt means like you're, you're in a state. It's like,

don't be reading into things too much. But butthurt can be amazing. But speaking of butt stuff, Janet, you said in the episode that you wished Jason would let you get one knuckle deep. I wish you saw Jason's face when we were watching that together. I don't think he caught it the first time I said it. He's going to love it.

And he was like, what? Did you just? I was like, yeah. Can you give us an update? Has it happened? No. Jason would never let me get that close. Oh, my God.

Please. He's just being insecure. He would love it. Guys out there, you're going to love it in your ass. I think he would love it, but no, he isn't. They would. I mean, they have prostates. They're going to love it. That's a no zone for him. Also on the topic of Jason, one thing that I don't think has ever

been discussed on Shenanigans, but you decided to discuss on the after show, was that Jason and I had a little bit of a past together. Oh yeah. So... The Vanderpump Universe had a past together. Oh yeah. So. What? The Vanderpump universe had a past together? Oh God. Once upon a time.

Sure. He came over. I cooked him dinner. We hung out a few times, but what was funny was it was in the Adam days and I didn't want Adam to find out I was hanging out with Jason because even though we weren't dating,

we were like kind of dating. So I would bring Janet as the third wheel to hang out as like the beard so adam didn't think anything and lo and behold you guys need to be on the same show i know i agree i would love that i would love nothing more than that i know maybe that's what's happening honestly i think that might be what's happening i would love it yeah i would love it i mean now that you're free for the summer, not that I get to make the choices. I think we're getting Vanderpump Valley.

Oh, I have no objections. Yeah. No objections. Look at you guys. So excited. I mean, she's one of my best friends.

I know it's very clear, which is like, yeah. And especially after this last episode of Vanderpump, it's just like, okay, so what are we saying here? This cast don't fuck with each other?

Right. Let's see this. Yeah. And then we can see maybe another show with like Katie and Ariana and Dana and like, you know, like them and then maybe it gets better and then it all comes back. I don't think Vanderpump Rules is done though.

I feel like we need another season to figure out where we go from there. You know, the way the finale ended felt very series ending to me. But I was like, yes, it did. No, no, no. We're not going out this way. When you saw that montage, were you like, I was sobbing. Yeah.

Because it looked very final. No, I'll cry if I keep talking about it. So let's talk about something funnier. It looked very final. No, I'll cry if I keep talking about it. So let's talk about something funnier. I heard that your safe word when you're having a disagreement with Jason is hot dog. Kristen said that on her podcast.

It's not my safe word. It's when I'm being a bitch, Jason calls me a hot dog. Okay. When I'm being nice, I'm a dove. I'm his little dove. I'm his tiny darling. He calls me very cute little nicknames. And when I'm being a bitch I'm a dove. I'm his little dove. Oh, that's cute. I'm his tiny darling. He calls me very cute little nicknames.

And when I'm being a bitch, Jason doesn't swear. I've never heard him say like a swear word. Yeah. I'm not kidding. He doesn't. He has no bad words in his vocabulary. So when I'm being a bitch, instead of being like, chill out, you're being a bitch and tell someone to calm down, which never works.

If we have this little thing, he's like, you're being a little bit tell someone to calm down, which never works. If we have this little thing, he's like, you're being a little bit of a hot dog right now, huh? And I'm like, but you can't be mad when someone's calling you a hot dog because it's so funny. But it's a way for me to check in and be like, all right, I got to dial it back. I got to be a little nicer. I feel like that's actually really smart to do in relationships.

And then you could be a chilly dog. Like a chilled out hot dog there we go but no not necessarily safe word just okay so his way of kindly being like you're yeah you need to say you can you can say hot dog when you go knuckle deep in his ass and then it could be a safe word chili dog chill have you ever had a safe word or a trigger warning word i thought you were gonna say have you ever had a knuckle in your ass and i'm like oh yeah don't worry i've been around the block there um magic mike yeah right exactly i wish uh god there were so many of them that i was

like please pay us one second of attention and then i kind of did um i've never really done this safe word thing because usually no is enough or stop is enough but i've never had a i've never had a relationship go long enough where it was like we have like a series of things that we know are just for us like i don't know i've had three boyfriends and they've all been very different in that regard one of them i was like could do anything to me and i i just would shut up about it so maybe that's my thing in therapy. I should probably have had a safe word, but it's not to think about. All right.

To wrap it up, we have Real Housewives of New Jersey back on air. Finally, some Housewives back on Bravo. I feel like it's been a long time since Beverly Hills was on, and this is probably the longest that the network's ever gone without having a Housewives franchise on air. First time since the Obama administration that

there's not been a Housewives airing. Isn't that funny? That terminology was so funny. That Housewives really took over during Trump. We needed that escape. Exactly. Dolores said on Watch What Happens Live this week that

she feels like there is some closure and healing in the group now that Teresa and the Gorgas have said they don't like each other and have committed to not speaking with one another so I want to know how do we feel about this because similar to our show when you have two people who don't fuck with each other like how can you film

an ensemble show together and not speak or interact can this work Does one need to go? Who should go? I think time. And it's also like... Been a lot of time. Like, but you... And that's family. So that's just another level. I think when people are on the outs, you kind of

have to let them for a minute. But maybe not forever. But I think you have to let them have a beat of it. You know, when I needed a break from Kristen. And also, it's like Kristen's... I'm not icing her out. She's also not inviting me to stuff. She doesn't fuck with me either. Like she doesn't like me right now.

She didn't like me this summer. Like it's, you know, that's, it's, it's not like she was like, Oh my gosh, my best friend,

Janet, I can't, you know? Right. So I think give people a break and time heals all. I remember before the first episode I was, I saw Kristen at the premiere party and I was like, I showed her a picture of my son.

She was crying. I remember that, yeah. Really nice. And I went home and I was like, maybe I'll ask her for lunch tomorrow. And then I saw the episode and I was like, never fucking mind.

There you go. So I think just time, like, you know, I've said like, I'm not anti-Kristen forever, but there needs to be some healing there. We needed the time. And then you kind of let people

find their way back more naturally you guys have a chance of that though melissa and theresa yeah i mean it's it's just it is what it is they hate each other it because it comes down to is it a better show with theresa on or Melissa on it? And I think- What do you think? That we'll see. I mean, I don't agree with Teresa's choices. Do I think Teresa is an integral part of Real Housewives of New Jersey?

Obviously she's Teresa Giudice, but I can't follow her. Like I don't get it anymore. I think the Louis thing is is crazy i think she's obviously being had by him and it's like a little tough to watch and i do root for her i watch and i like melissa a lot more like i grew up on long island like melissa reminds me of my older cousins like i just get her more and i think that she has more authentic relationships with her friends on the show but now also jackie goldschneider jumped ship on her and is now friends with theresa i gotta

figure out how i don't know i don't know if that's for the show or what i've always liked jackie i've met her several times like i don't get that but again maybe there's stuff i don't know it's frustrating in the same way that i think the finale of vanderpump was which is like okay so it just comes down to where are the authentic relationships yes who is the authentic group of women we can follow if those if there's more people on team melissa let's do that if there's more people on team theresa let's do that i just don't think there are but i also don't think theresa will ever be let go apparently it's a sandoval situation yeah i mean it's not like they haven't let ogs go before yeah you know but but the tree fans are so crazy yeah i mean i love me some tree but i also love me some melissa so yeah where do

you fall on it i fall switzerland because i bet you do it's it's hard because like with the women of new jersey i mean i'm good with all of them i could do a watch what happens live episode with any one of them and have no personal beef but then i see the way someone speaks at theresa and i'm like oh i don't like that but then i'm like i always have so much fun with melissa at bravo con and we love joe and it's just like it's fucking family and it's so tough but Dolores is my girl that's number one for me my favorite housewife yes me too she is my number one she always has been I'm so blown away that she's gotten away with being Switzerland for such a long time because and this is my least favorite thing in the world, when someone demands

loyalty, I hate the word loyalty. Like, what is this? A dictatorship? A mob? Loyalty to me is like, if you're demanding my loyalty, it means you've done something wrong. It means you need me to be there for you just in case other people aren't because

they might see the light. I think demanding loyalty is a major red flag. And so her like loyalty loyalty loyalty ultimately one day if i'm melissa stop giving me ultimatums stop telling me i have to leave an event because you don't like being there if we're not actually close and you don't like me like stop treating me this way and then we can move forward i I just, but I get this Teresa is Teresa. Yeah. So you're saying Katie Maloney is a red flag for you.

You put words in my mouth. You just, you said it. You said people who demand loyalty is a red flag. I think that people that demand loyalty is a red flag. Yes. If you can attribute that to Katie Maloney, then that's something that you're doing. I like Katie Maloney.

I think, I think she's hilarious. And like, I wish that you guys would see Ida. What do you think about people rubbing loyalty in your face or saying things on camera? Like I'll protect you. Like what's Kristen's been doing to Michelle. It's like,

I have my loyalty, but don't, don't do the wrong thing. Or I will. Well, that's just not loyalty. Then let's look up the definition. You know what I mean? Like, it's like i have my loyalty but don't don't do the wrong thing or i will well that's just not loyalty then let's look up the definition you know what i mean like it's like anything that's conditional is whatever just be a good friend be a good person like i don't want to feel like i have to walk on eggshells at all that's not what friendship is friendship is like you know what it is friendship is i saw what i saw experience what i experienced i'm telling you the truth yeah like honestly like i just think you could twist yourself into a knot

trying to tell people what they want to hear all the time and also in the in the grand scheme they will appreciate it more if you call it like you see it and say listen out of care for you i didn't like the way that you treated that person or I don't want to be around you if you're going to treat someone that way. Like that to me is like real friendship. And that's loyalty to me is it's like I will be a good friend to you and tell you the truth no matter what.

Not I'm going to have your back if you call someone something crazy or do something destructive. I think that that was a big thing too. In this most recent episode of the Valley, it's Kristen being like, well, what,

what did I do to Janet? And it's like, you don't necessarily have to do something to me, but when you're standing in a hallway and people are screaming at each other and you're threatening someone's family, I don't want to be around that right now while I'm trying to create a family of my own. Yeah.

I think Kristen is back on TV. And I think that. I think mentally tv and i think that i think mentally she never left and i think you know what great great for people watching tv yeah not great for those on television with her um very good point and god bless there is a difference between what you would want someone to do to you in real life and what you want to see on your screen 100 experiencing that right now yeah yeah oh oh i have so much respect for you guys because here's the deal like i've been asked to do a couple reality things and ultimately like my manager is just like even if it feels enticing my manager is like you do not want to give yourself up to be edited because

that is so crazy and i wonder like out of the 11 seasons that you've done how many seasons have you felt good about it's a great question like how many the early seasons i think i felt good about those i think i felt like i was more confident i was less in my head about what everyone else was going to think the social media so I'm fucked not necessarily it's gotten a lot harder each year has gotten harder

I think after maybe season four I stopped feeling good about how the outcome was of everything yeah it's been a while let me ask you this it's been a few years since you felt really good about it and yet like when we talk about the fact that like the show it feels like

the finale of the show like your instinct is to like get upset so it's like do you feel like you're like in a relationship with this show now that's like maybe not that good for you at times i think everyone in reality tv feels that way yeah i do not feel like this is how i want our stories to end on this show right so i don't think it's done yet because i don't feel good about how it ended right and i do feel like i'm still misunderstood and maybe one day that can be explained in a way that people get but it wasn't this season and is that something that you express to the producers like do you have like a post mortem with like alex baskin and stuff like where you're like hey this is how i'm coming off it makes me feel this way how can we move forward like is that is that an open dialogue yeah for sure i

don't know how much it like registers it's just it depends you know do you think like at the end of the finale when all that was going down and it was like you guys being like okay we're breaking the fourth wall we're doing it was that something you guys were all deciding together in the moment or jeremiah said let it all out whatever you want to say go go for it do you think because he was frustrated with her he was very frustrated that day to get walked out on it was it was a slap in the face to everyone but but but like the episode was i just devil's advocate i wasn't there i only saw what they put together like she you guys had the scene together he walked over and she walked away from him like like that was a finale

scene like her walking out is one thing but like we had a full action-packed episode and that was the thing we're now in hindsight i'm watching it back i'm like i understand that was your truth in that moment you were living your real authentic life and you were not really going to talk to him for the rest of us it felt like in that moment like fuck all of your jobs fuck making the end of this show i'm gonna do what i want to do because i set my boundary peace out and we're like and then for tom to be like she talks shit about all of you this it was just like yeah he really swept in on that opportunity babe he really said he really saw what happened and he said this is my chance yeah throw some more gasoline on this fire people can get in my head very easily as we've seen and so to hear that about someone who i've cared about for so long like maybe she doesn't feel that way about me so yeah wait what do you

mean i think ariana loves you and to be honest ariana of all of us talks the least shit i've i've tried to talk shit with ariana before she doesn't take the bait and i just but i think things you say to your partner behind closed doors is different than the shit you talk with your friends who are going to tell your friend about their friend have you ever vented to brock about ariana i think it's the same thing where you can do that with love and i think ariana has a lot of love for. And I think Ariana has a lot of love for you and I think you have a lot of love for her.

And I think what you say in pillow talk with your spouse is different than, I don't know. I don't think Ariana hates you. No, I don't think she hates me at all. And he didn't say that. He just said she doesn't like

any of you fuckers. And maybe that was more directed at Lala, you know, because I know they've had a lot of their ups and downs. But where things have been in this group that Tom Sandoval shattered will never be the same. I look at everyone differently and I don't trust anyone completely. And it's really sad.

That's great that you guys have each other. Yeah. I mean, like, honestly, like at least that like the silver lining is like. yeah i mean like it's honestly like at least that like the silver lining is like it becomes really clear like who's for real and like who is the same on and off and like i think all the fans and that's like where the the vantage point that i'm coming from is like we want to believe that that like you guys all have fun together and our friends and so now that like that reality has been exposed and that truth has been exposed or whatever version of the truth i'm just looking forward to seeing

the reunion or looking forward feels weird just because like there's now you guys are going to respond to that directly and i think that's going to be very illuminating yeah and you can only move forward from a place of like truth it's like i was saying like real real friends real people will just be like you know what this is how i feel yeah and uh you know we're gonna have a nice long summer break after that that's nice it'll be good yeah it'll be very much needed yeah yeah well thank you guys so much for getting into some shenanigans with me. I'm glad we finally got to do this. I know. This is fun. I love it. Even though it was a tough app.

I know. But I mean, I knew this one would be. So I was happy to have both of you here with me to talk about it. Yeah. All right. Tell everyone where they can find you. You can follow me on Instagram at Matt Rogers, though, T-H-O. And my podcast uh my podcast lost culture recess comes out every wednesday i co-host it with bowen yang and uh some fun stuff happening at the end of the year hell yeah yeah i just thought i shot a netflix series that'll be out in november oh my gosh it's called no good deed it's with uh ray romano lisa kudrow linda cartellini fun it's the did you ever watch the show Dead to Me? Yes. Same creator. So same vibe, like dark comedy in the suburbs. Hell yeah. Yeah, I have a really fun part.

It's going to be good. I love that. Oh my God, I can't wait. Yeah, we'll see when it comes out. Awesome. Oh, I'm on Instagram, JanElizabethX, because there's still some girl who has Jan Elizabeth. You know, if Brock could get Brock,

there may be hope. There's also someone who has Janet, who's like a nice little old lady who I have DM'd a thousand times. He's at Brock? Yeah, Brock. Oh, that rocks. Yeah.

And then we have our podcast, The Side of the Hill, that airs on Wednesdays. Yay. All right. Thanks for listening and watching, guys. Bye. Sheena Shea.

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