Small Town Murder - #41 - Remorseless Horrors in Washington Terrace, Utah

Episode Date: October 25, 2017

This week, we take a peek at the run of the mill town of Washington Terrace, Utah, where possibly one of the worst people to ever exist, commits the ultimate acts of depravity, and savagery, while causing the whole world to take notice of the aftermath. Along the way, we find out exactly what goes on in the day of a small town festival, if moving to Florida cause you to stab your step father, and exactly how many horrors a person is willing to forgive for a free tattoo!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I don't think we're going to handle any small-town North Korean murders. No, I doubt it. I doubt it. North Korea itself is a small town. That's pretty much true. It's just a small, fucked-up town. Just a reminder.

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That's not what we're all about. But everybody else, everybody is still on board. It's not horrible. It's great. We're going to have a good time. It's a lot of fun. We're going to shut up, and we're going to give you murder. Here we go.

And it's going to be fun. Let's do this. Let's head on a trip, Jimmy. Okay. What do you say? All right. Let's do this. We were in Iowa last week with the corn. It was corn

season. My hands are sore from shucking. So much shucking. So much shucking. You've got to try to get into what the people are doing there. Apparently, people got back to us, too. Shucking is a big thing in the summer. It's popular. We're going to head out west. There was another term, too, that was used in an email, but I don't remember what it was.

It was like detasseling. Just say shucking. Right, right. It was like de-tasseling. Something like that. Which doesn't make it. Just say shucking. It's easy. It's so much. It seeds off the top.

Whatever. That's too many fucking syllables. Let's head out west, Jimmy. Let's go. Let's leave Iowa behind. We're leaving it in the dust, and we're heading out west, out to Utah. Oh. Oh, boy.

Mormon country. Well, yes. Washington Terrace, Utah, as a matter of fact. And I will say, right off the top, we do make a distinction. We're probably going to – there will be a couple Mormon jokes. It's going to happen. Sorry. It's just going to happen.

If we're in the Northeast, there's going to be some Catholic jokes. Down South, there's going to be some Baptist jokes. We do not – we're not going to make like you have 12 wife jokes, 12 wives. We're not going to do that. We understand the difference between LDS and FLDS. And we're going to – we kind of have to explain that a little bit because we have people overseas, a lot of people overseas listening that probably have,

they don't know the difference. I don't know how many Mormons there are in New Zealand is what we're getting at. So there's LDS and there's the fundamentalists. It's a different thing completely. The fundamentalists have 12 wives and the LDS. Some of them are 12.

Right. They have 12, 12 year olds. Right. And LDS just have 12 fucking children. That's the difference. They have tons of kids, but it's with one person, and they're fine. FLDS has 12 kids, and then they marry them. Generally nice people.

Exactly. That's how they marry them off to their friends. Would you like my daughter? She's 13 now. It's horrible. Anyway. We'll all get government checks for it. We'll get off of FLDS and head to Washington Terrace, Utah.

Let's do this. It's in the north central part of the state. Utah is a big square, kind of, and it's got a little cut-in at the top where other states are in there. It's kind of west of that little cut-in. It's all the way up at the top, 40 minutes outside of Salt Lake City. So you can get to, I guess, a major city pretty quickly here. So that's good for jobs and things like that. So it's just outside of like Provo and...

Yeah, Ogden. It's outside Ogden. Oh, Ogden, gotcha. Just south of Idaho. All right, I gotcha. Yeah, it's between Ogden and Salt Lake City. Gotcha. This town kind of sitting out there by itself.

It is zip code 84405, area code 385, and they also stuck an 801 in there just in case. Oh, that's nice. I'm going to mix it up a little bit here. You never know. Just throw some extra numbers in. Yeah, what the fuck, why not? that's nice. Mix it up a little bit here. You never know. Just throw some extra numbers in. Yeah, what the fuck, why not? Part of it here, part of it there.

1.9 square miles, so it's one of those small towns, one of those kind of small and area towns, and everything's not spread out, not a lot of farms or anything like that out here. No, it's a mountainy town, isn't it? It's a mountainy town, yeah. Locally known, they call it, well, I don't know how many people call it, but the press says they call it the Terrace.

Oh. Which is easier than Washington Terrace, which makes sense. That sounds gangster as shit. It does. That sounds scary. It's really not scary at all. Especially judging by the town's slogan on their website, which is becoming one of my favorite things here, which is, quote, making life better. Oh, out there at the Terrace.

Just better. Things are better at the Terrace. It seems like. Sounds like an ad for a mall Just better. Things are better at the terrace. It seems like... Sounds like an ad for a mall. Things are better at the terrace. Come on, see our new selection of stores. We got an Ikea. The terrace... Our JCPenney isn't closed yet.

We still have Montgomery Ward. Get down here. But quick, because it is closing soon. It will be closed soon, but clearance shit, it's cheap. It's always shit neighborhoods. They always take something really that sounds nice. Oh, yeah. Cabrini Green sounds beautiful, but it's a shit, shit area in fucking Chicago. Yeah, LA has tons of things.

I remember the White Man Can't Jump movie. He's like, Vista Views. There ain't no views. There ain't no motherfucking views in Vista. Views are no Vista. There ain't no Vistas to view. That shit always made me laugh. That's hilarious.

That's exactly what it is. It's shit areas. They name them nice things and confuse the fuck out of good people. It's not much history in this town. Out west, I'm sure there's history as far as the Native Americans go and things like that that happened before people were really keeping track of the history. But as far as recorded history here, as far as Europeans settling the area, I guess you want to say, and recording history, didn't start until 1942. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, we go back to the 1700s in some of these towns.

Now, this, it's literally a World War II thing. Hilarious. Basically, they started the Terrace Housing Project. See? That's what it was. That's so scary. The housing project in 1942, much different. This was for government workers.

It was people who came to the area to work at government installations. They didn't even imagine it being a permanent community. It was like, here's a place in the middle of nowhere that we can throw some government buildings up. Perfect. And then, you know, we'll leave and the shit will deteriorate. And they said, no, no. No, no. We're sticking around.

Listen, we're going to make life better. Right. Right here. We're making it better. Things will be better. I promise you that. I promise you. Because anything's better. Right. Right here, God damn it. We're making it better. Things will be better. I promise you that. I promise you. Anything's better than a project.

So, yeah. I mean, they're definitely making it better. They got federal funds, private investments, and they converted these kind of housing things for workers. Yeah, barracks. That's a great way to put it. Into single family houses. And once there's some single family houses, there's going to be more. Oh, barracks. That's a great way to put it. Into single family houses. And once there's some

single family houses, there's going to be more. There's going to be more. There's a guy named George Herman Van Leeuwen. I believe is his name. It's a tough one. L-E-E-U-W-E-N. Llewellyn. Is that Llewellyn? Yeah, yeah. Jesus, that does not look like Llewellyn. I guess it's Llewellyn.

Why is there two E's in there? How the fuck did I know that? I have no idea. I didn't even look at it. That was a goddamn miracle. Not too shabby. Yeah, if you're nailing names and I'm fucking them up, we got problems, people. This is going to be a long episode if that's how this is going to work. That was so quick for me. I was like, that's for sure Llewellyn.

He was the guy who was kind of the go-between to secure federal funds and grants and things like that. He was like the president of the board of directors of this place uh he tried to name the place van louis what is it he tried to he tried to name it van luellenville no that's what he tried to name it which is the worst fucking name i've ever heard was he drunk and it was voted down and they said we're gonna go with just the terrace is better than what you have. That is terrible, man. It's a weird town, too. Like, there's a couple of weird things that happen here. Like, for instance, they had a mayor.

They had a mayoral race years ago that was tied. Yeah. The votes were tied. So they had the election. They let the election be decided by a roll of the dice. How do you do that? I guess. I don't know.

You got better off flipping a coin. What is that? Highs, lows. Okay. Odds, evens. That guess they, I don't know. You got sevens, I got fives. You're better off flipping a coin. What the fuck is that? Who's got highs, lows, odds, evens? Odds, evens maybe? That's good. I have no idea, but a roll of the dice is what ended the tie. Not even the die. They used two.

Oh, there's two. It's two dice. Good grief. And they elected Mark Allen. Okay. Mark Allen got the high number. He got the high number or an even. We don't know what exactly happened here.

That's an interesting way to fucking settle a race of any sort. It really is. I would have been better with, you know, rock, paper, scissors or, you know, guess what number I'm getting. Some Rochambeau for sure, though. Pick the straw. It's too much. But I don't know. I think a coin flip

is just way quicker. That seems easy. There's only two people. Let's just do a coin flip. That's what they do for who gets the ball in the NFL. It's the West. We're gambling, baby. But it's Utah, so we're not gambling at all. Utah's a very, very stiff, clean place, we'll say. Mormons don't drink booze.

They don't drink caffeine. They have all these... They drink caffeine now, I believe. They don't smoke. I believe they're allowed to drink caffeine now. Some do. I think they were like, look, we need to be normal. And if we're going to recruit people uh starbucks is a big place to do it so we're gonna have to get a fucking latte in us let's go if there's a uh an age limit on it though they don't do it that's like we don't even bother with age limits nobody does any of that shit uh the old joke is that if you're going fishing uh you you always invite two mormons

not one because if you only invite one he'll drink all your booze and smoke all your cigarettes. I'm sure. And they watch each other. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You go to a bar in Salt Lake, none of those people know each other. No. They've never seen each other in their lives.

No, if you live in East Salt Lake, you go to a bar in West Salt Lake. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. No, that's the thing. They're as full of shit as anybody. Yeah, absolutely. And I know there are people who aren't,

and there's people who are very devout. They don't listen to this shit. No, they're not listening to this shit. We do have Mormon listeners, though. That's fine. It's for bananas. I just picture, whenever I picture Utah, I just picture a flag with Mitt Romney's head on it. That's Utah. And I know he's from Michigan and blah, blah, blah. It doesn't matter. That's Utah right there in a heartbeat. That's Mitt Romney, absolutely.

In a heartbeat. In a nutshell. In a nutshell. In a nutshell is what I was going for. I was a little ahead of myself in the next thing here. The only thing really going on here, historical, it's really not historical at all, is since it's October, I don't know if you guys have noticed, the last couple weeks, I've been looking for the haunted sites nearby. Because it's October, and what the fuck, I'm an idiot. Very nice. boy because it's October and what the fuck I'm an idiot. Very nice. I found

the Ben Lamond Suites, which is a shitty looking hotel four miles outside of town is said to be haunted. Apparently there's a ghostly legend surrounding rooms 1101 and 1102. Apparently a new bride on her honeymoon drowned

in the bathtub in room 1102 and then her son came to collect her belongings. How old is this lady? By the way, that's not very Mormon. That's what I mean. You already got kids? Yeah.

He stayed in the next door and then committed suicide in the next door room. Jesus. So that's how it works here. So people say the bathtub turns on and it gets steamy in there and people see shit and the hotel's elevators work by themselves. I don't believe it. All right. We're going to get off on a tangent.

It's Halloween. Never mind. Let's get to the people in this town. Population, 9,157 people. I guess it's a small town, though. But it's 1.9 square miles. It's a decent-sized town. It's up 11.8% since 1990.

So people are moving there generally. All the western towns are% since 1990. So people are moving there generally. All the western towns are up since 1990 because that's kind of when the Sun Belt and western migration happened in this country. People just started moving everywhere. The average commute time here is under 20 minutes. Really? 19.7 minutes. They're working and living there. I would think people are nice here.

If your commute time is under 20 minutes, you have no reason to be a dick. You know what I mean? If you're not stuck in traffic for a goddamn hour. It's a younger demographic, skewing-wise. It's 34.2 is the median age here, which is about three years younger than the national average. That's pretty young for a median age here. Males and females are actually a little askew. There's way more females here.

Really? It's about 55% female, which is, yeah, it's, you know, it's usually about 50, 50, almost 51% female, but a little more females in this town. So you got that going for you. Married population, actually not as high as I thought it would be. Maybe that's because it's young. You might have to wait because it's, it's about 53%. The average is about 50%. I would expect a Mormon town to be 87%, 112%. The same level as the Republican population. Once a baby is past the first trimester, I believe they're bequeathed to be married after that.

You're going to marry this baby who's also in the womb, and you're going to have 12 little blonde children. They're all going to run around. It's going to be fantastic. With your magic underwear. But apparently not. Yeah. That's the only thing I have with the Mormons is the magic underwear. That's so weird. You know what? It's weird and at what point in court does someone go, does someone use

the defense? I really believe in the Mormon faith truly enough that I didn't expect stabbing him in the heart would do that. I thought we would be protected by his magic underwear. Yeah. Have you believed that enough? Does that make it okay? That's would do that. I thought we would be protected by his magic underwear. Have you believed that enough? Does that make it okay? That's what I mean.

I'm going to get on before I offend everybody even more. So moving on here. Yes, like I said, married population high. Never married is actually a little bit lower, which is weird because the divorce rate is actually higher here. There's actually 17% divorced, which is higher than the national average, which I would not expect. Maybe it's people that left somewhere, got divorced, and moved out there. That's what I'm thinking possibly.

Or it's just not Mormon. Or they're the part that's not Mormon. It's pretty otherwise pretty normal as far as the kids go. There's a few more kids than normal as you would obviously imagine here. Sure, yeah. The race of the town, shocking, pretty white. Holy shit, is it white. It's 84.7% white.

That's not that high. It's actually not as white as some of the towns. It's still 20% higher than normal. Samoans and Spanish people, right? There are 0.22% black people. So there's like four black people. There's a family there, which is good. They're sticking right out in the snow.

Everybody sees them. There is 0.49% Asian, younger population. They. Everybody sees them. There's 0.49% Asian. Younger population. They want diversity of food. That's all I'm thinking. They're like, I want a restaurant right now. All inclusive. All inclusive, goddammit.

And yes, 11.61% Hispanic. You bet. You're going to get anywhere out west, you're going to get more Hispanic people. Also, too, the Spanish population is migrating to the Mormon religion because they're- Well, they're recruiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where they're recruiting. And they're pulling them in because it's what the Catholic Church used to be.

It really embraces a family harmonious lifestyle. And Spanish cultures love that because they have giant families. And that's very common. Plus, yeah, it's pretty much wherever you recruit, you end up getting people. That's where you get them. They got a good sales pitch. I don't know where they get it from. But there's a sales pitch, and it seems to be working because there's millions of these people.

And they'll help you get into a house. Yeah, absolutely. That's very, very nice. That's part of the thing, too. Yeah, they'll help you get citizenship if you're part of the church and all that. And if you're in Utah and you're part of the Mormon church, you can pretty much do whatever you want, I believe, at that point. And speaking of religion, normal, it's 50-50 as far as religious people go. And nationally, 78% here are religious.

So it is very, very high. That might be the highest number we've gotten so far. There might have been one down south that was a little in the ballpark, but that is as high pretty much. That's fucking outrageous. That is a lot. 8.65% Catholic. So, you know, a few Catholics. That's fine.

The little East Coast people, they're always going to migrate out West. 62.27% Mormon. Holy shit. Fucking Mormon. Wow. That is a lot of Mormons. So, it's a lot of Mormon, pretty much. Anything else?

We do have 0.05% Jewish. So, there's something. There's two people. That's it. It's like a temple. And they're sitting there going someone will show up eventually we're gonna stay we're gonna stay i'm saying i have faith in it so uh yeah there's that and uh 0.05 percent islam also so yes they move there together an equal

number of them they're getting along and they're setting an example for the palestinians and the israelis good for them uh as far as politics go, 71.43% Republican, as you would expect. 26% Democrat. Unemployment rate here, a little bit lower than normal. Seems like there's jobs to be had here, actually. Median household income is a little bit lower, though. It's $44,000, which is a little low, $53,000 being the normal average in the country. How do you tithe any of that?

Jesus. That's the thing. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's not counted in your income. They cut that right off the top. That's the 10% there right off the top. The jobs here, a lot more blue-collar jobs than I actually would have thought here. There's also engineering, science, computer jobs, which is what I would expect here, honestly, out west in the mountains.

A little more healthcare jobs than normal. A lot of sales jobs. Actually, more production, transportation, material moving jobs than normal also. So it's very- It's a lot of industries. There's a lot of industries. Yeah, Utah is a growing type of economy, type of place here. Now, the cost of living in a place like this, when we say 100 is average, 100 is par,

the cost of living here is 90. Wow. So it's pretty much almost average, within 10%. Everything's pretty average. Housing, though, is low on the low end. Housing is a 77 out of 100. Okay. That's the attraction.

That's not too bad. Housing in a nice area of the country. It's clean. It's beautiful. It's crisp air. People like that shit shit yeah people there's something about the west people like to move out there especially if you're from the east coast because i know for myself when you go back east you feel like everything whether it's buildings or trees yeah or everything it feels like you're very closed in on yeah all the time and when you go out west it feel you just feel

like holy shit look at that sky go for miles. I got so much room. I can stretch out. Look at that big mountain. And the mountains are different. Back east, the mountains are covered in trees. And they just look like big green hills. But these mountains are like picturesque, crisp. We live in Arizona.

It's the same thing. It's like these rocky red. You can see the ridges and shit. It's crazy. Yeah, it's got shadows and light. And it looks, you know, it's picturesque bullshit. And you put a fucking sun behind that when it's rising or setting. Oh, forget about it, God damn it.

It's nuts. It's awesome. So about 36% of the people here are renters. I think that's the younger population there. Median home cost here is about $142,000. That's not awful. Which is not awful. $185,000 is the national average, so that is not bad.

Over 50% of the houses are between $100,000 and $150,000. Terrific. Which is terrific. Problem is, shitload of foreclosures here. I can see that, yeah. Shitload. Matter of fact, if we've convinced you to move to Washington Terrace, Utah, we have for you right now the Washington Terrace, Utah Real Estate Report.

Yes. Okay, there we go. My favorite part. There we go. Got some music now, goddammit. We're pros over here. So tons of foreclosures, like I said. Just fucking tons.

Let's not profit on the misery of others. We're going to do ours. We already do a two-hour murder show. Let's chill out. We're going to just do the non-foreclosures here. We're going to do that. First of all, average two-bedroom apartment is about $790, which is below the national average by about $400. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,089-square-foot house for $80,000.

My God. It's a little house. And that's not foreclosed? It's not foreclosed. It needs some work on the inside. It needs some work. You're going to have to put some countertops in there. There's none of this slate shit.

Need some pipe, some ceiling fans. It's going to need something. Especially cosmetically, it needs a little bit of work, but that's okay. Because $80,000, you know, none of this slate shit. Need some pipe, some ceiling fans. He's going to need something, especially cosmetically. He needs a little bit of work, but that's okay because 80 grand, you can do it. Yeah, you got some left in your pocket still. I found a four-bedroom, two-bath, 1,650-square-foot house for $175,000. Not bad at all. That's a deal.

That's a good deal right there. And finally, if you want to step it up a little bit here, I found a five-bed two bath, 2,500 square foot, nice brick house with a yard, $229,900 which is goddamn reasonable for that. In a place where it snows like a son of a bitch, your Christmas will be amazing in that house. Oh, it'll be great. Things to do in Washington Terrace.

The only thing that really matters here that I found is the Terrace Days 2017. What? I have the whole event schedule here. It's amazing. Friday night, June 9th. They do a movie in the park. Okay. Which is nice. They go, they were watching The Secret Life of Pets

this year. I almost asked you what was the movie. It's going to be Pixar. It's a child's movie. There's a community bike ride, a parade at 5 o'clock, big inflatable toys and rock balls. Somebody, by the way, there was a parent that shook their head when the rabbit in that movie shit all over the floor. Did you see that movie?

No. Okay. Yeah, your kids are old enough to worry. My daughter's young enough. That's her fucking favorite thing ever. And Kevin Hart was the voice of the rabbit. And there's a scary part that he has some fear in him. And he shoots shit out of his ass all over the place.

Oh, that seems nice. And some Mormon parent was like, I don't know if we his ass all over the place. Oh, that seems nice. Some Mormon parent was like, I don't know if we should let our kids watch this. Yeah, there's poop involved. I don't know how the Mormons feel about poop. Yeah, yeah. Poop jokes, really. This is a family night. They don't like alcohol, but poop, they might be okay with poop.

They might be like, poop, that's what we're about. There you go. Now I'm talking. That's good, clean humor right there. That's some good, clean fun. It's family fun. Everybody poops. Scat jokes. let's go so uh yeah we have a dog race a fucking dog race bring your dog for a fun-filled dog race i don't want to

can you imagine that then they have a show afterwards where a main prize will be given to the dog that looks most like their owner well this is literally this is a small town insult this is small town they have a car show they're going to judge after that. Then 7-15 buckle up for the annual watermelon derby. Oh boy. That's right. You get it to the top of the hill with your decorated watermelons. Each family gets one watermelon.

They decorate and they roll that fucker down the hill. That. That's right. Three rolls with the toughest watermelon and the best decorated both winning a prize. The toughest. So like you have something to do with that. The one that has the least damage to it as it comes down the best decorated, both winning a prize. The toughest. Like you have something to do with that. The one that has the least damage to it as it comes down the hill. Yes, that's it.

Stupid. They have a band and fireworks. And by the way, how many dogs are pregnant after the dog race? Oh, it's disgusting. It's just gross. Shooting. Can you imagine that? Just dog slime everywhere.

Mormons yelling at each other, at dogs, to stop humping other dogs. Stop it, Duke. Stop it. We'll get you married if you want to do that, okay? We'll get you married off. It's fine. It's fine. We'll perform the ceremony right now, okay?

We need to do this. So dog marriages take place. Yeah, for sure. Dog pregnancies take place. And yeah, so that's a great event right there. Fantastic. That sounds like something I want to be involved in. And finally, we get to the crime rate here.

The thing that we are interested in, crime. Property crime is slightly higher than average, actually. It's about 10% over average, which I don't know if I'd expect that here. But violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault is about 20% higher than the national average. So yeah, maybe not so nice. Short commute or not. Maybe they are dicks still. It doesn't matter because apparently they're still committing violent crimes and everything else.

You wouldn't expect it, honestly, but they're doing it. And let's talk about someone who may just end up in that lifestyle here. Let's talk about a guy named John Albert Taylor. John Albert Taylor was born in 1959. He's born in Ogden, Utah. So he's from this area. Definitely that's right up the street is Ogden here. His parents are Albert and Gaylene is his mother, which is a – I've never heard the name Gaylene before.

Have you? I think I've heard the name before. They just stick any – lean on the end of anything that's a name. Just anything. Just add lean to any name. Keyboard lean. Anything's a lean. It's a perfect name. It's fine. Yeah, lean. We'll just put lean on the end of it.'s a name just anything just add lean to any name like keyboard lean it's fine yeah lean we'll just put lean on the end of it it's super water bottle lane that's the one man so the his parents separated when he's a baby which that's normal my parents are the same thing that's that your parents it's not that's not a you know that's not damning you to no to doing

anything horrible that might damn you my dad till i was 28 years old yeah That might damn you to sit there. I didn't meet my dad until I was 28 years old. Yeah. It might damn you to be needy and look for the approval of strangers in terms of telling jokes and going, make a recording yourself telling jokes and things like that. But other than that. You're going to be cynical and think the world is shit, but it doesn't force you to lash out to it. It doesn't force you to end up being a subject of the show. Maybe a host, but not a subject. Exactly. That's what that does. It might give you one, but not the other.

They moved around a lot here. Him and his mom moved around several times when he was a kid. They moved to Colorado when he was nine. His mother, when he was nine, told him his father died. His father's not dead, by the way. What a bitch. She just said, your father's dead. Why would she do that?

I don't know. Didn't want to be involved. That's some spiteful shit. Rather than saying, hey, your father's a dick and we're not going to be involved with him and here's why. That's what you do. He's dead. He's dead. He's dead. But what if you happen to end up on Maury in six years and he's going, I've just wanted to see you this whole time.

Your mom wouldn't let me. That's true. Well, maybe it's because she got remarried to a guy who was kind of an asshole. Maybe he had something to do with this here. He ends up, spends most of his formative years in Florida, which right away, that's going to be a problem. We know that's a problem right now. That's not a community that shapes and turns out great citizens. No, not generally.

He says he's abused as a child, became involved in drugs by his teens. We've had a few people of this pretty much exact description here. Florida will do that to you. Yeah. What else do you expect if you're in Florida? That's the thing. Abuse? Yeah. He said he wasn't in Florida? That's the thing. Abuse.

And he said he wasn't molested. That's nice. So, I mean, if you're in Florida, that's like winning on a scratcher right there. I'm in Florida. I didn't get molested. I only got involved with drugs and abused. Fuck, that's normal. I got beat up and I shot up heroin. I'm okay.

I wasn't molested or eaten by a gator. I think I'm Florida ahead. I'm house money. Florida house money right now, I think, at this point, right? That's how it works down there. That's great. It's a very low bar in Florida for what you're hoping for out of your life here. His stepdad here, he did not get along with his stepfather

at all. His stepfather, or his mother for that matter. I don't blame him. She's telling him his dad's dead when he's not. So, you know, she might not be the greatest person in the world. The stepfather was apparently a Vietnam veteran who had some problems and was very abusive toward John Albert Taylor here. But his mother, he was pissed off at all the time. And I think a lot of it is because of the attitude she had toward his father, which for right or wrong, it affected him in a certain way.

He said, quote, but she could never control me. My mother had a lot of animosity toward my father. They alienated me for a long time. I was the whipping post. So basically, from everything he says, it's his mother hated his father and took it out on him. Right. And so they treated him like shit because that's terrible. That's kind of what it was.

And that happened. She looks at him, and he resembles him a little bit, and so she just fucking, she has to force all her anger on him. So at the age of 13, John Albert stabbed his stepfather. Oh, Jesus. So there you go. That's how you repeat that. That took a left turn quick. That's what you call Florida justice right there, stabbing your stepfather.

Or also, actually, that's called a Florida Saturday. There's a lot of stepfathers that probably deserve that. I'm sure there are. So many. But this guy, he said, I'm going to go ahead and stab her. That, you know, funny as it might be, if this guy's an asshole and abusive and he stabbed him, good for him. But then he does things that we're not going to root for at all. Then he does things that we're not going to root for at all.

Apparently, he repeatedly, and I emphasize the word repeatedly, raped his sister Lori during his teen years. No. Repeatedly. I almost said at least he didn't fuck his sister. I'm glad I didn't say that. Yeah, back that train up a drop back to the station because he absolutely just was appalling in his treatment of his sister and repeatedly did that to her. Good grief. Also assaulted several other young girls. Uh-huh.

Was committed to a sex offender program by his parents as a teenager. Jesus. First of all, what the fuck? Why are his parents the ones submitting him to anything at this point? I want a judge putting him in some sort of program or, I don't know, something. The stepfather put him in there? I mean, the stepfather probably like, listen, I have a knife in my back, my back like a legit i'm sure that was a mother of like okay one thing fun is fun when you're stabbing your stepfather but repeatedly raping your sister we're not gonna put up with i'm sorry

young man that's where that's where the family draws the line apparently that's unbelievable it's fucking unreal this guy he so he's in a sex offender program uh by 1977, he's 18 years old. He is charged with burglary and carrying a concealed weapon after he's caught with a stolen gun. So he steals a gun, gets caught with it, now he's got a gun and he stole it, so he's bucked there. He's convicted of this crime and he's actually put in prison

until December 81. So he got a good charge out of that. That's a good sentence for that. He did almost four years on that one. So he's out. He gets out in December of 81. Brawled as his oyster. Florida Christmas time, baby. It doesn't get any better than that. Those little

snow things you shake up and it's got a little beach sand. Well, it's got a snowman with two palm trees around it and you shake it up and you go, look at that. And the snowman, of course, has a scarf. He has to have a scarf. Why'd you buy that? I don't know. That's just what it is. It's there look at that there it is and the snowman of course has a scarf he has to have a scarf why'd you buy that i don't know that's just what it is it's there it's there yeah people might as well bring it home it was 99 cents that's why my mother went to florida when i

was a kid and brought me back one of those what the fuck am i gonna do with this it was a melted snowman that was the thing like you'd shake it and it had like the little carrots and the coals and shit and it floated and the sticks and the snow and the sticks. And I'm like, what am I doing here? Florida snowman. Thanks, Mom. That's humor right there. That is the pinnacle of humor. That's how you got so goddamn funny.

That's the one. Yeah, by looking at that and going, what the fuck is wrong with these people? That's why I got an attitude when I was a kid. This isn't a joke, Mom. No, this isn't a joke. This is a terrible joke. This is not good. I threw it on the ground, shattered it, walked away, then stabbed my stepfather.

That's how it worked. I like it. So he's out for three months. So it's March of 82 here. He doesn't last too long out before he is arrested in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. So sticking around Florida, bad things are going to happen. Armed burglary. Whoa.

Armed robbery. Oh, my God. And sexual assault. No. Yeah. This is terrible. No. Yeah. This is terrible. This isn't good. But this is a guy who by the by the age of 17 from his because he went to this counseling

and all that, the sex offender program, he was by the program. This is on documents. There are. Imagine. OK, people call each other names all the time. OK, so that guy's this guy's that she's whatever each other names all the time. Okay, so that guy's this, that guy's that, she's a whatever. All the time. Imagine there was some official with a seal and a stamp on the paperwork.

It's fucking notarized. That has this said about you, okay? He is diagnosed as a, quote, remorseless pedophile. Holy shit. Remorseless pedophile. No. Not only will he keep fucking kids, he doesn't even care. He doesn't even care.

Wow. He's not one bit sorry about it, as a matter of fact. He is excited. And a doctor chose to call him that. Remorseless. Wow. He chose that word very carefully. Unrepentant?

No. Remorseless. Forgiveless? No, that sounds made up. Not only is he not sad that he did it, he doesn't even feel bad for the fucking person he did it to. Not even a little bit. Doesn't give a shit. Yeah.

Somehow, though, the latest arrest in 82, in March of 82, for the armed burglary, robbery, and sexual assault, he is acquitted of these charges. Somehow gets acquitted of these charges in September of 82. Did they not submit that paperwork? I don't think they saw the paperwork. I'm going to say, just based on history... You found the paperwork and his prosecutors couldn't find it? Those bastards? He probably did it.

If the cops in Baltimore hear of a shotgun robbery of drug dealers, they're going to go, I think it's probably Omar. We're just going to say it's Omar. Shut up, Jimmy. Watch the wire. It's Omar. It's going to be Omar. We're just going to say it's Omar. Shut up, Jimmy. Watch the wire. It's Omar. It's going to be Omar. So I'm going to say probably, probably old John Albert Taylor. This sounds like the kind of guy that would do that.

That sounds like him. Yeah, yeah. But he's acquitted of these charges. But the problem was he was on parole when this happened. So even having any kind of weapon or anything like that, there was several- He's going back anyway. Several parole violations out of this. And he's sentenced to an additional 15 years in prison on parole violations.

Yeah. So he's acquitted or not. Good riddance. I was just over you guys. Are we putting him away for 30 or 15? Is this fucking remorseless pedophiles going to jail right now? God damn it. Stepfather stabbing asshole.

Unbelievable title. The remorseless. I hope he has a business card with it on it. Jesus, he should. He really should. So he's released in 1989. So he does about half the time, which is to be expected here. So at this point now, he's been in prison for 11 years.

11 years. 11 years out of 30. Yeah. So that's not a lot. He's only been out for more than a third of the time he's been in prison, which is not terrific. He's released. And he says, all right, I'm done with Florida. Got to get the fuck out of here.

Obviously, this is the problem. Yeah, it's clearly the surrounding. So his father not being dead. Instead, he's actually living out in Utah. Yeah. He decides I'm going to go out west with my father. He found him. He found the father.

And his sisters are living out there, too. Oh, perfect. And his sisters who he remorselessly raped for years and years and years. So that's nice, right? Family reunion. This is getting sweeter by the day, isn't it? Jesus Christ. So June 20th, 1989, he's got two sisters in the area.

And one of them is the Laura, one we discussed earlier. I think I called her Laurie by accident, as a matter of fact, but it's Laura. Laura is his one sister that he repeatedly abused. That's the one. That's his victim. Well, the other one, too, but this one is the one where he really went at her over and over and over

again. For some reason, that really, right there, added that it makes it so much worse he did she's the one that he went after no he gave us a business that he really yeah it was fucking not why does that really sting so much it's it's it's true that's why god damn it uh so on june 20th 1989 he arrives uh at his sister's apartment complex to stay with his sister for a while. Why is she allowing that? She's going to allow him not only to be existing in the area, but to actually stay-

In her domicile. In her domicile. This is for the purpose was to tattoo. He's a tattoo artist. He's a remorseless pedophile tattoo artist from Florida. So with a record, this is the guy you want hanging around. He's been in prison for 11 years. Out of 30.

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Webandwriter.com. This, we've had a few, Hawkins, Texas, the leg breaker guy. There's a bunch, Herb Coddington. I still want to choke that motherfucker. But we've had a few that really, really pissed me off. This guy, wow. I'm already angry. I was up late last night.

I was done. I wasn't even, I wasn't behind in schedule. I actually had a good, easy schedule this week. I was up angry last night at this fucking asshole. I'm not surprised. God damn it. He's ruining my Friday night, this son of a bitch. It goes back, too, to the argument that I made before that the programs that are in place that they put him in to try to correct the behavior clearly do not fucking work.

Fuck no. Holy shit. They don't work at all. It seems like they sprinkle Miracle-Gro on his anger. What he has, that's true, too. What he has is and this is I don't give a shit if you disagree with me. I don't care because it's fucking true. Every goddamn medical person would say it.

And it's just fucking true. Look at the facts. You cannot fix that. No, you can't fix violent pedophile. That is not fixable. It's it's it's a sickness. Jimmy wants to fuck women in aprons. OK, that's what I do. That's not fixable. It's a sickness. Jimmy wants to fuck women in aprons, okay? I do!

That's what gets his fucking whatever. That's what tips his little scale over. This is what does it for him. No amount of counseling is going to make Jimmy not want to fuck people in aprons. That's the thing. And no amount of counseling isn't going to make him not a remorseless pedophile. It's not going to happen.

It's not going to happen. So he's a complete piece of garbage. So he's staying there. Also, he's there to tattoo not only Laura's husband, but his half-brother. The way this is phrased in the court documents, too, is the purpose of the visit was to tattoo her husband and defendant's half-brother. I hope those are two separate people. That's all I have to say. I really hope they're two separate people. I had to look at that. I looked at that like a dog cocked my head.

I was like, huh? Is that a second description of him? How Florida are these people? So June 20th, 1989. This is around the same day here. He is staying there on June 20th. He came a couple days earlier. Now, on June 20th, there's also an apartment complex.

A lot of people live there. There's a woman named Sharon King who lives there, and she has a daughter named Sharla King, who's 11 years old, and they live in the complex also. Now, Sharla gets dropped off at the complex at 1.30 p.m. that day. Her foster grandmother, a woman named Bertha Poster, I don't know how that relationship worked with a foster grandmother or what. But her father actually died in 1980, this young girl's father. She's 11 years old. This is, by the way, the day before her 12th birthday.

She'll be 12 the next day. Her father died in 1980. So, I mean, very soon after her being born. So I don't know if maybe that helps with the foster or whatever. Anyway, this Bertha P poster was out with Sharla. They were out at the mall walking around. Takes an 11-year-old girl to the mall the day before their birthday. They were talking about the next day she's going to go to the amusement park to celebrate

her birthday. Okay. So big shit planned. See, school just got out. Yeah. June 20th. Summer. Birthday's the next day.

Summer in Utah? Amazing. Yeah. It's amazing. That's gorgeous shit. It really amazing. That's gorgeous shit. It really is. That Rocky Mountain rain is something you can't. A summer Utah day at the amusement park isn't a bad deal on your 12th birthday.

That seems like a damn fine thing to do on your 12th birthday. So Sharon was there. Like I said, Sharon's not there yet. Bertha drops her off at home. Sharon will be home pretty soon. About 3 o'clock p.m. on the same day, John Albert Taylor is at his sister Laura's place. He's just staying there kind of

indefinitely to do tattoos and hang out. He says, I want to go home. I'm going to go to my other sister's house. I'm going to her house right now. And so Laura's like, why? What are you talking about? He didn't even finish the tattoos. He's got half done tattoos. Again, you don't get any more white trash than a half done tattoo done by a remorseless pedophile which again, you don't get any more white trash than a half done tattoo done

by a remorseless pedophile from Florida. You don't get any more white trash than that. It's the last guy I want touching my arm. Fuck no. And putting a needle that's going to break my skin? I don't trust that for shit. He stuck that thing up his ass before he did it or something. How many people does he use that thing on? He doesn't break them. No, God no.

He's not going to throw that out afterwards. He didn't even finish the tattoo, so for him to want to take off it's like why are you taking off you wanted to stay with me you're doing tattoos and now you're just leaving so very odd thing she takes that as a strange deal he just takes off he's gone uh now uh sharon comes home at 320 uh she comes home to her apartment uh sharon king she gets in She immediately walks in and turns on the TV. She puts soap opera on. It's 3 o'clock in the afternoon, 3.20. She walks in the door.

It's all it's on anyway, especially in 1988. There's cable, but you have – She's watching GH. Really good cable. Yeah, really good cable at like 25 channels in 1988. So, I mean, there's not a lot on. And most of them were just bullshit. There may have been 32, because that's where ESPN was, like near the end of it.

Yeah. Well, I'm from New York. It was in like the top in New York. Because it was like, we had it from, we were like the first market to get ESPN. So, I remember as a kid being like, oh, look, it's just ESPN on basic cable. All sports? This is great. Oh, it's great.

I loved it. Anyway. And then Disney bought it. This is not great here. is great it was great i loved it anyway then disney bought it this is not great here uh so she turns on the soap operas just wanting to get a fix of you know people's drama and bullshit and whatever uh she gets a lot more than that uh now this this is fucking horrible and there's no good way to do this there's gonna be descriptions brace yourself there's no good way to do this i'm gonna try to keep it as i don't know but as uh not be factual, it's got to be what it is, and it's fucking horrible.

Brace yourselves. This is going to be offensive. That's where we're at. It's going to be rough. That's all I have to say. We're going to be respectful about it, obviously. We're not going to make a joke about this at all, but this is brutal shit. So let's find out what happened here.

Let's find out what happened here. Sharon walks into her bedroom. Oh, boy. And on her bed finds Sharla there, 11 years old. She is not alive. Yeah. She's naked. She has her arms and legs open.

Yeah. She has a telephone cord tied around her neck. Bastard. And her mouth is stuffed with her own underwear. Perfect. And her mother's nightgown is wrapped around her head. Fucking hell. This is an 11 year old. It's like the worst part.

Like if you were to ask me, this is the worst, most horrible thing. Describe to me the worst possible way for your child to be dead in your bed. That's it. This is the one. And this is, I can't think of, I can't think of something worse than this that we've done. Like I really can't. Like we've had, and we've had a couple of kids that were whatever but this this is i don't know man there's something if you look at that scene if you happen upon that scene at all you know exactly

what happened like you know what happened the description is already done yeah you you know how she got to that to that end uh yeah her mother the mother takes her her her nightgown off of the poor kid's face here, off of Charlotte's face, and the kid's face is swollen and distorted and black from being choked. And, yeah, I don't even know what to say about that. You've said enough. Yeah. I don't know. There's no, like, we don't need to say, like, what the fuck even because it's just there. That's absolutely implied.

Yeah. So Taylor here had yet to leave his sister's apartment. He just said he wanted to go home, but it had only been a little while. He watches as the paramedics remove Sharla from the apartment. And he says to his sister, he says, quote, when they catch him, they'll they'll just slap him on the hand and let him plead insanity. Give him three to five years and let him go. Jesus.

That's what he says about this. That's a man well versed in the penal system. Well versed in the old days of bursting a lot of penal everything. So this asshole, he they start canvassing a little bit and trying to see what happened. Apparently, Taylor was alone at his sister's apartment all afternoon until she got home. Nobody else was there. So there's nobody saying they were hanging out with him. They talked to the neighbors.

A neighbor saw, just when he got there three days earlier, saw Taylor watching Sherlock and a friend in the park kind of a little too closely. Okay. Kind of just like, that's a little creepy. He took note of that. He took note of it, but didn't like, I guess, what do you do? You don't report it. What do you do?

It's that guy's brother. What are you going to say? Go to the cops and go, I think he was looking at that girl a little too. I mean, the cops would never, that's all they would be doing is going around and looking The most you can do in that is just make the mental note and be like, if something happens, I'm telling the cops about that guy. I was just going to say, or you could walk up and go, hey, don't fucking stare at that little kid. So then that guy might go, that guy saw me staring at that kid.

Maybe I won't kill her now. You know what I mean? Maybe that's it. But I don't know. Maybe I have to kill him, too. He's also a tattooed ex-convict guy in Utah in 1990. And who knows if this was some Mormon missionary guy who saw him and wasn't really going to go confront him. Right.

Go, hey, motherfucker. I don't necessarily want to tell that guy, hey, motherfucker. Yeah, exactly. I don't necessarily want to tell that guy, hey, motherfucker. Yeah, exactly. Maybe not. Another neighbor heard, this was shortly after Sharla had been seen coming into the complex after her foster grandmother dropped her off, heard her screaming loudly. Oh, Jesus. But didn't do anything about it.

Didn't say anything. Didn't knock on the door. What? Didn't. That's not very Mormon of you. That's not. But I mean, also, little girls, sometimes they play scream like that. Oh, my God, my daughter.

They do it to show you how loud they can be. My little girl used to do that. How funny it is that I can scream and deafen you. Yeah, and you're like, oh, people are going to think you're dying. Right. Somebody thinks I'm beating you right now. Stop crying, wolf. This is what happens here.

Another neighbor saw Taylor at the foot of the staircase outside of Sharla's building right before she was found. Oh. So like within an hour before she was found. The sister lived in a different building and he was over at the bottom of the staircase of her building. Had no reason to fucking be there whatsoever. So they do an autopsy on this. And again, this is going to be. How just fucking horrific.

Yeah, this is tough. But to get the full scope, it is what it is. Just go. We're pushing forward. Put your shield on right now and push forward here. The autopsy, the cause of death, strangulation by the telephone cord. She also was injured badly by other things here, by injuries to her vaginal and rectum area, acute hemorrhaging there, very, very bad. Basically – A violent rape and strangulation.

A violent rape and especially in the non-vaginal area, a violent rape and – The prison way. The prison way to the point where they know how far inside. No. Yeah. Jesus God. Yeah. I'm not even going to say, but the information I have is sickening.

Like, never mind. I don't want to know that information. I don't even want to ask that question. It's horrible. I'm looking at this shit in front of me and I wrote all this down and I'm just like, I can't even. My question was going to just be like, was it obvious that it was a different instrument than himself? No.

I was just going to say, evidence indicates that the object that caused the injuries to mainly the rectal area was likely smooth and firm like a penis, fingers, or sexual device, they say, in the court. So, yeah. And by the length of distance that it was yeah there it's he was doing it right it was within four inches right it was yeah it was definitely him i i want to hurt him yeah that's what i'm saying here uh go on the yeah the other the the other injuries were just as bad uh to the other areas it's just fucking horrific we don't need to beat her about the face because she was all swollen.

Yeah, she's swollen, and also that was from being strangled. Okay. That's how violently he strangled her. Jesus. There was no, it was just a, you know, her head was like, I don't know.

It was like a berry. It's awful. I got you. So this is fucking horrible, man. It's so hard to say this stuff. This stuff is horrible. Yeah, it really has. I've been thinking about it all night, like, how am I going to present this?

But it is what it is, and it happened, and it's fucking horrible. And this is why people have— And let's just root against this guy now. It's not that somebody hurt a child. It's how someone hurt a child. That's what I mean. It's not the fact that it's a child. It's the fact that it's so fucking violent against a child. And remorseless was the perfect way to put it. Remorseless. Remorseless. Doesn't give a fuck. It's the fact that it's so fucking violent against a child. And remorseless was the perfect way to put it. Remorseless.

Remorseless. Doesn't give a fuck. No. To be able to do that, you can't give any fuck about anything in the human spectrum. You just can't. It's impossible. It's fucking impossible. So June 25th, 1989, a police officer, Marsha

Gathercole, receives a phone call with information connected to this, possibly. Somebody who says, I know someone who might have been involved in this here, and we'll find out who that was and who the call was from. They find Taylor's fingerprints in the house, in the apartment. They find it on the telephone. It's not supposed to be there. Not supposed to be there. And they match it to the records provided by the people in Florida, knowing they needed to look for this guy from the tipster here.

He's arrested on June 28th at 9 p.m. He's with his half-sister, Teresa Taylor in Ogden, the other one he went to. They charge him with first-degree murder. Wow. Okay. Taylor in Ogden, the other one he went to. They charged him with first degree murder. Wow.

Okay. Turns out Laura, his sister that he repeatedly raped as a child, thought he showed an unusual interest in the murder and she was the one who called the cops on him. Really? She fucking called the cops on him. Fucking imagine this poor woman, a lifetime of being abused by this guy, ruined her childhood. Imagine the type of guy she probably hooked up with. Imagine what type of guy her husband was that said, yeah, bring your pedophilic

ex-fucking-con. Free tattoos? Bring him in. You know, guy from Florida. Put a brother in because I need a free tattoo. That's the type of guy she hooked up with because this guy destroyed her. Just absolutely annihilated her as a human, as a child. And she probably heard some of the details of the death.

Yeah. And I guarantee it rang a bell in her head saying, hey, remember what happened to you? You can't think for a second that this lady didn't say, this fucking happened to me, and he's doing it still. And no, fuck this shit. It had to be. It had to be. And he corrected one flaw in

in his assaults earlier was that he left that sister alive can't do that anymore nope you got it it's fucking ridiculous unbelievable he is arrested John Albert Taylor he says later on quote I remember telling my father that whoever they arrested for this crime was history and that was before my arrest

so he's saying now he's saying they're gonna be fucked because he saw what public outcry was this little girl too she's a little she's a just a cute little sweet looking little girl i mean she wasn't and it doesn't matter either way but she wasn't like 11 and like trying to look 16 right you know what i mean she was she was enjoying being a kid she was 11 being 11 looked like a little 11 yearyear-old kid that would be like, let's go play in the Double Dutch and fucking whatever the hell. You know what I mean? Nowadays, they'd be Snapchatting pictures that are tits to each other.

I don't know. In 1989, they're not. You know what I mean? No. She was listening to New Kids on the Block and having a crush on one of them. It's terrible. She looked like just a sweet little kid, man. It was horrible.

Unbelievable. Now, June 28 28th by five days later uh sharon moves out of the apartment complex which i don't fucking blame her her daughter was just murdered in the apartment and she's really pissed off because the neighbors who came forward as witnesses didn't do anything when they heard her screaming right they were like what they're given all this information about things that happened that should have raised concerns and maybe it raised none maybe yeah maybe all of this maybe could have prevented this shit possibly, but no. He, Taylor vehemently denies that he was ever even in the apartment.

He says, I have no idea what you're talking about. We got fingerprints, dickhead. They say, well, that's funny. You got fingerprints over here on the phone in the place. And he said, actually, I'm sorry. I was in there. Oh, yeah, I forgot about. See, I went in there to rob the place.

I'm a burglar. I don't know if you know that. I'm also a remorseless pedophile, but, you know, on the side, I do a lot of burglar, burgling, you know what I mean? I get in there. I'm good at it. So I went in there. No one was there when I was there.

Obviously, it was totally empty. I just went in. I picked up the telephone and, you know, and that was it. He's like, you know, I picked it up. I picked it up because I was going to steal it. And then I decided not to. Yeah, well, he said that, you know, it was because there was that was it. He's like, you know, I picked it up. I picked it up because I was going to steal it, and then I decided not to. Yeah, well, he said that, you know, it was because there was money underneath it. So he was looking under it for stuff, and he said he found some money there.

So he was like, yeah, that's the only reason I touched the telephone. There's no reason to think that it would be anything else, considering it was the cord from the phone that strangled the kid. Right. So that's the only thing with his goddamn fingerprints on it was something that he could use as a weapon. They found knives that were his and his sister's home, knives that they said looked like some of them they did testing to see if one of them could possibly be the one that made the

cut on the telephone cord. And they thought they found one that did that. Also, between his arrest and his trial, he gets really weird, changes his appearance, does facial hair and hair. He's really weird, changes his appearance, facial hair and hair. He's really weird. While he's awaiting trial, he calls Laura, his sister.

The one who turned him in. He doesn't know his sister turned him in. Oh, he has no idea. Not yet. No, he doesn't know this. He calls her and says, hey, tell them I was at your apartment during the time of the murder. Tell them I was with you. Be my alibi. She's like, no, fuck that. I don't think so.

She arrived within 30 minutes of the time, but he didn't know she turned him in. That's great. So he was kind of, you know, he just. You're asked out, sir. Yeah. His attempted bullshit alibi had to feel great for her. Absolutely. A brother or not.

It had to feel great to finally slay the monster. You know what I mean? So he also, while he's in jail, tells an inmate that he killed a little girl, but it was an accident. That's what he said. Well, it was an accident because you can accidentally rape and strangle a little girl. That happens all the time. Wrapping a cord around her neck and violently pulling it. Yeah, while you rape her and then put shit on her head and everything else is stuffed underwear on her mouth.

Her own underwear. Yeah, that's good. Fuck face. That's fucking, yeah. Accidental. And you know what? He told that guy that because he's been in prison and he's trying to impress somebody. Yeah.

Yeah, I killed a girl, but it was an accident. It was an accident, yeah. I'm not a remorseless pedophile or anything. I'm terrible. What do I look like here? Do I look like a monster? I mean, a monster. Look at this facial hair that I've created today.

I look great. I'm looking sharp. Jesus Christ, man. So November 27th, 1989, the trial begins. Good. It is under District Judge David Roth because Taylor waives his right to a jury trial. He wants the trial to be decided by a judge. Well, that makes sense.

That is some ballsy shit. This is what you do in this situation, though, if you have the option because a jury has motion involved. A jury, you're going to get a mother on that jury. You're going to get a dad. Oh, that's a good point. And these people are going to be pissed at you. A judge, I think you're thinking of, is a little more clear.

He's not going to be clouded by details. I don't know. No matter what, a judge has heard worse. A jury has never heard worse. You think so? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point. A judge has seen crime scene photos. That's a great thought judge has heard worse. A jury has never heard worse. You think so? Yeah, that's a good point. A judge has seen crime scene photos just as bad. A jury sees a crime scene photo of a little girl with a telephone cord wrapped around her neck with injury. They've never seen that. They want whoever's sitting in that chair, they want his balls on the top of a fucking telephone pole.

That's what they want. The other point is it's 1989. These people don't have the internet. They're not watching. They're not as desensitized as we are today. And true crime isn't what it was now, too. People don't see. There wasn't investigation discovery.

No. There wasn't any of that shit. There really wasn't. There was very little things. Law and order. That's the year law and order came out. Really? Or 90 it came out.

So, I mean, there wasn't even law and order. No. The most you've got is the news, and they're not showing you dead bodies. You have fucking Matlock. Right. And Murder, She Wrote. That's what I mean, though. That's what they're doing.

That's what these people have seen. Just dramatized bullshit that's not real. The judge is going to be a little less sensitive to it. That's a brilliant thought, man. Just look at the facts of the case. I don't know if that's true or not. That's just how I perceived it. No, I'm saying that's a brilliant thought.

The lawyer may have said that to him. Look, a jury, this is going to be the worst thing they've ever seen. The judge has always seen worse. They're going to want to give me the old Vlad the Impaler fucking, you know, lube up a pole and let you slide down and fucking eventually until it pops out the top of your head. That's what they're going to want to do to you. Let's try it with the judge here. They have opening statements.

His defense attorney, Don Redd, he says, tells them that Taylor's going to testify on his own behalf. Yeah. And he admits to being in the apartment. But he said he was in the apartment to be a burglar, and that's it. That's it. He said no one was home. He left his fingerprints on the telephone.

He did not kill the 11-year-old girl. Someone else then, what are the odds? It's crazy. You break in, steal some shit, literally within an hour, someone else, another remorseless pedophile breaks in and murders a little girl. In a town of 9,000 people,

they find two people that are burglars, and they burgled the exact same place. Jesus, he should- And one of them happens to be a violent pedophile. If he gets off, he should definitely play the lottery. Let's just say that, because his odds, boy. It's unbelievable. Head over to Vegas, big guy. It's not natural.

No, no, no. That doesn't happen. No. So Sharon, the mother, testifies. God, can you imagine? No. And you fucking- I don't even want to. So Sharon, the mother, testifies. God, can you imagine? No. I don't even want to. Not even imagine doing it.

Imagine just having to watch a mother go through this. Never mind actually being a mother. Actually sitting in a chair looking at your deceased child from a horribly violent end. And then describing how you found her. That's something you would say in a psychiatrist's office 10 years from now, like while you sob. That's a day I don't want. No. She testified.

She got home from work, 3.20, like we said. She turned on the soap opera, walked into her bedroom, and then testified to what she found. She said, quote, I started screaming. No fucking shit. Yeah, I guess you did start screaming. She ran to the neighbor's house. I don't think she, the phone cord was cut. Right. So she ran to the neighbor's house. I don't think she had the phone cord was cut. Right.

So she ran to the neighbor's house and called police. The police instructed her to administer CPR, try to administer CPR. It's a bit too late. It was. Yeah. Fucking horrible, man. She describes the trying to do that in court. See a jury.

She had to unwind a cord. Imagine a jury to unwind a cord imagine a jury watching them imagine those people sitting there just thinking when i get a hold of that motherfucker that made this woman go through this i'm going to kill him like it's wow and and i get the choice of of whether or not he goes to prison for this this is the best day of my life she didn't even see the cord until she tried to do cpr wow because she tilted the head back to do it, and then she saw the cord wrap. Oh, fuck. She was that swollen? Fuck.

Yeah, she didn't even see it. Wow. The Bertha Porter testifies, saying that she was probably the last person to see Sharla, talk to Sharla, unless anybody said hello to her walking through the complex or something like that. But yeah, so far, this is pretty goddamn damning. I don't know how you're gonna have a defense to this he testifies in his own defense really fucking moron fucking

lawyer said he was gonna do it he's gonna goddamn do it uh he says that he only entered the apartment to to rob it that's it no one was home left his fingerprints the money does the whole thing uh the county deputy attorney uh william danes he he says that Taylor said at first that he denied even him being in the fucking apartment until witnesses placed him at the scene at the time. And then he was like, well, I robbed it. And then it went from there. They had the prison inmate, Mike, Mike Gallego. He testified that he talked to Taylor. He said he had a brief conversation with Taylor, which Taylor told him that he killed a girl by accident and masturbated on the court.

Oh, geez. That's what he told this guy. That's that's better. Brief conversation. Brief. Small talk. Yeah. I realized last night, by the way, I'm terrible at small talk.

I went to my my wife, Sarah, her nieces and nephews played t-ball and we went to the game and I'm sitting there and I am fucking awful. It's my one point. She looked at me like, are you going to talk and i'm like i thought i was like i'm i'm just not good at it i'll talk and talk i need something to talk about otherwise i don't know what the fuck to say because i'm afraid someone's gonna tell me this in a brief conversation i feel like maybe but like yeah you know small talk how are you yeah you know my job sucks this and that you know accidentally killed a girl masturbated on corpse. I don't want to hear that shit.

So no small talk for me because that's what happens. Hilarious. Corpse masturbators. That's all that's out there. So the crime lab guys here, James Gaskill and Dwayne Moyes, they testified that the person who cut the cord and had the whole deal. He said that's the same person. It's all happened by the same guy. As the person who left the fingerprints on the phone.

It's all consistent. The lab director said that the prints matched fingers on Taylor's left hand. That was the big one here. That fucking one bit. If this asshole put a glove on, not going to fucking catch him. They can put him in there and people say, I saw him around it. But there's no proof. He's going to sit in there and go, I don't know what you're talking about. And what are they going to say? There's no physical evidence. Nobody saw him around it but there's no there's no proof not enough he's gonna sit in there and go i don't know what you're talking about and what are they gonna say right

there's no physical evidence there's nobody saw him actually do it they would he would have been one of those guys where they're like we know he fucking did it let him go and they keep an eye on one of those guys but nope they uh he fucked that up good thank god he's incompetent on top of everything the the crime lab guy also said that there's no evidence in the apartment to indicate a burglary took place or that any other person was connected to anything. Wow. He said nothing. This was a killing and a raping. And that's all that happened. That's the reason for the entry. Yes. So that all happens. December 5th, 1989, is the verdict from the judge. He comes out. You know, Taylor's expecting some some some legal wisdom to come down and see through this incredible ruse that the state has put on this poor man.

Judge Roth finds Taylor guilty of first-degree child rape and first-degree murder. Wow. So, fuck you. And in Utah, first-degree child rape. That is not good. No. Unless you are FDLS. And have a compound.

So now we go to the penalty phase here. Penalty phase is, like we know what this is here, they introduce evidence of, this is when you try to tell your sob story. Don't kill me. I had a terrible night. I had a terrible childhood. And I rape my sister constantly.

Like, that's his childhood. I don't deserve to die, obviously. Yeah. He said he was, you know, when he was a juvenile, he had a lot of criminal acts that he was charged and never convicted with. And this is the prosecutor is going to say also now they're going to get to say, talk. You want to talk about your childhood? Let's talk about your fucking childhood. Why don't we?

How about sexual intercourse with your younger sister against her will when she was 12 years old repeatedly? How about burglary of a home? And we're going to get into the details of that. How about sexual abuse of a six-year-old neighbor girl? Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Evidence introduced convictions of burglary, the concealed weapons, after he was an adult, raping kids. Let's talk about how on your paper here from the state, I see a stamp on there.

There's a seal. It looks pretty official. Remorseless pedophile. Signed by seven different doctors. Holy shit. Do we even need? Okay. Anyway, let's get into this here.

Bobby Thomas testified that in 1974 that Taylor temporarily stayed with his grandmother, who was Thomas' neighbor. stayed with his grandmother, who was this Thomas's neighbor. One day, Thomas's daughter came home from school and found Taylor inside their home and he was trying to rob things. Yeah. And he was confronted and he denied it. However, in 1978 from prison, because he was in prison in 78, he wrote Thomas a letter apologizing for what he'd done. I don't know if this was some kind of horse shit to try to get parole.

Sure. Like, oh, look, I'm apologizing to people I've wronged. The state does say there's nobody else that can corroborate this. This is just this Bobby Thomas guy. But who the hell comes out of the woodwork from 1974 who's lying about that? That's a weird thing to make up. Also, the victim from a childhood, the six-year-old, of the sex abuse that he did testified that when she was six years old, Taylor asked her to come over to his grandparents' house and look at his trains.

Oh, Jesus. They went into the garage, and then he pulled down her pants and touched her, and then he took his pants off and started masturbating. Jesus. This poor six-year-old girl. Sweet train. She began to—yeah, fuck me. Good God. Is that a Lionel oh jesus

yeah no shit so terrible how do you get the smoke to come out fuck me man that was the worst thing ever jesus christ poor fucking kids man this is where we're at we're delirious from this you have to be that was such a shock I feel like I'm getting beat up here. You snuck it on me. Sorry. Fuck, you raped me with that joke. It happens sometimes, Jimmy. I'm a remorseless joke rapist.

That woman hates trains forever. Oh, she hates trains. That's the thing that these people don't realize they're doing to people. You're not just getting what... They don't give a fuck. They don't care. That's what it is. They don't care. And this was when he was still working it out, too, because when she screamed and cried,

he stopped. Really? This was... He didn't figure out yet, I got to shut her up and do what I want. Eventually, there's consequences. Fuck. Yeah. This was when he was trying to work it out.

You know what I mean? Trying to work out whatever sick shit that got him off. Doesn't just end after it's ended. Yeah. After the whistle blows and the smoke comes out, it still goes. It still goes. There's still goes. It still goes. Now, he claims, Taylor claims, that there's no other witnesses to any of this stuff and that with all these criminal acts discussed in court, you know, like, what the fuck?

Like, this is tainting shit. This is prejudicial. And it's not true. But it's not prejudicial. It's people coming out of the goddamn woodwork. And this guy, I don't give a shit if it's legal or not. He's affected so many lives. Holy fuck. Yeah.

Well, Jesus Christ, man. out of the goddamn woodwork and this guy i don't give a shit he's affected so many lives holy fuck yeah i'm so well jesus christ man uh so uh during the penalty phase here uh taylor's another half sister of his leslie beale god knows what he did to her traveled from florida to testify for him about his uh the harsh treatment from his stepfather okay and uh yeah and that he was tried so hard in his three years as a sex offender program at a Florida mental institution. So he's doing time at Florida mental institutions and sex offender programs. Like we talked about, holy goddamn shit. Things were not going to look good. That's not a positive thing, by the way. On your behalf?

Yeah. She's going to come out and be like, he was bed in a sexual, a mental institute for the sexually depraved. Like that guy was there. He can't help it. Don't do anything to him. He can't help it. He's sexually depraved. Like that guy was there. He can't help it. Don't do anything to him. He can't help it. He's not depraved. He's just,

there's something wrong with him and it's, you know. Yeah, there is something wrong with him. He's fucking depraved. My stepfather was so mean to him and that's why he's got to do this. And it's like, no, you stabbed your stepdad.

That was enough. You're even at that point. Right. Once you stab a guy. You got even with that guy, that should fix it. And once you stab a guy, I think you're even. Right? I don't know. I think you're right. I think you're right at that point right once you stab a guy even with that guy that should fix it and once you stab a guy i think you're even right i don't know i think you're right i think you're right for most things anyway uh so december 9th uh december 19th 1989 is sentencing here okay

uh and roth says the judge judge roth says that the facts of the case um outweigh any mitigating circumstances this guy could possibly fucking prevent yeah and uh he is uh well let's do this here you sir may fuck off to to death row oh my god you are getting executed asshole shit and i like we said we're not big death penalty guys kill this guy now for sure kill him however you want i don't give a shit i'm just jacked if they did it guy uh yeah this is he's the first how about that that he wanted a judge because the judge has always seen worse. And he gets death. He was fucked either way.

Wowza. He would have got death probably with jurors jumping out of the box to do it themselves if it was a jury. So at least the judge said we're going to let a guy, let somebody else do it. They're all going to bring their own extension cord. Yeah, and this county, he's the first person to be sentenced to death in this county in 40 years. Wow. So it's a big deal. Because also, the death penalty was just coming back in the 80s.

Because we had from, what, 66 to 76, there was no death penalty in the U.S. The Supreme Court struck it down, and then it started coming back. I think, fucking, what's the guy with the bug? Why can't I think of his name? The guy with the bug. The Volkswagen bug. Bundy. Oh, Volkswagen bug. Bundy. Bundy.

Bundy's kind of the one that changed the argument where everybody's like, well, maybe we should have that. It was all those Green River killers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those late 70s, early 80s serial killers. People were like, well, we got to kill that guy. We got to kill some people. We got to kill some people.

Yeah. Now they just put it for a guy who robs a liquor store. Right. But this is what it was meant for. Right. This is why we design it. Perfect. Kill this guy. Still, I. This is why we design it. Perfect. Kill this.

But still, I don't like the state doing it. Like I said, this should be, we've decided to release him into the street for vigilante justice. Don't give a fuck you want to this guy. I don't care. Or at minimum, somebody give Sharon a very large weapon and let her fix it. Let Sharon pinata this fucking guy. I would enjoy that.

Until his organs come out like mini Snickers. I don't give a shit. I'm tired of this asshole already. So, fuck. Unbelievable. I don't give a shit. I'm tired of this asshole already. So, fuck. He's sentenced to death there. 1990, and I don't even care about this. Fuck this guy. His father, Albert, who had been at the court proceedings this whole time because he lived in Utah here.

He dies of heart failure on October 8th, 1990. What kind of a monster was he, though? God damn it. He created a pedophile. His balls are right. See, I was in that guy's balls, so who gives a shit? And who knows what he, though? God damn it. He created a pedophile. See, I was in that guy's balls, so who gives a shit? And who knows what he did to him to cause this. So I don't trust this guy as far as I can throw him either.

Taylor actually tried to get permission to go to the funeral. Are you out of your mind? Are you out of your goddamn mind? You're not going anywhere. You don't even get to talk to prisoners. You're on death row. You can just... No, absolutely not. No. They should do something to his father's You don't even get to talk to prisoners. You're on death row. You can just, no, absolutely not. No, no. They should, no.

They should do something to his father's corpse in front of him if he cares about it that much. Just to say, fuck you. He appeals, obviously, automatic appeal on a death penalty. And it's for insufficient evidence is what he's claiming, which seems like a lot of evidence to me. He is claiming. What, does he want semen? No, he is, yeah, right. He's claiming, I want semen.

He's claiming all of the old stuff they brought in, the people he did old. No, they're saying that that shouldn't have been allowed in. And they're like, well, yeah, it should have been because there's people saying that this guy did this to me. So anyway, about the insufficient evidence claim, and they're talking about the lawyers that are representing him because people are doing this for free because it's a death penalty case in Utah and we'll find out why, but it's very high profile. So lawyers are doing it for free for the, you know, for the status of it. Pro bono, just to have their name on the news every goddamn night. Sharon King here, the mother says, quote, I'm really upset about it.

What if it was their child? My baby had just as much right to live as John Albert Taylor. I believe these kinds of lawyers, when one of their clients gets out and kills again, the blood's on their hands, too. Well, I mean, the lawyer's a lawyer. He's not getting out. This guy is not getting out. But here's the other thing.

She has a right to feel however she wants, angry and mad. Sharon's absolutely right. But her baby also, if her baby became a criminal, deserves a good lawyer. You want a lawyer. Everybody needs a lawyer. You want as good of a lawyer as the prosecution has. That should be fair. And in this spectrum of lawyers, there are good lawyers and there are scumbag lawyers

and there are scumbag lawyers who are good too. I mean, it's just like any other goddamn profession. So those people are probably scumbags. Any lawyer who doesn't like, I don't know, need the publicity would go, I'm not fucking defending that guy. No. You know, especially not in the post. Right. the that's where the attention is because we'll find out here uh yeah he just says all the other all the acts they brought in were 15 years prior to

trial blah blah blah he even said that about his going to prison in florida that's because you were in prison for 15 years of course everything's 15 years ago he can he claims he was deprived due process under the constitution because, quote, the lapse of time clouds people's memories and makes it difficult, if not impossible, to find witnesses to the alleged occurrences. Well, guess what? They found a girl you diddled, so that's good enough for me. I'm in.

I am in. One of his sisters also, because his sister's even the ones that came for her, like the one that came from Florida for him. Right. They, you know, they came, she came for him, for Taylor, but she's also subject to cross-examination. Yeah. So guess what they asked her on cross?

Oh, boy. He ever rape you? Oh, shit. Actually, yes, three times. Everyone on the stand that he brought in in his defense also raped him. He also raped them. It's like you can't, all your witnesses can't be your own rape victims. Right.

That's not okay. And her testimony was corroborated by the other sister and the whole deal. I mean it is what it fucking is. Horrible. But it comes out too that he resided in that mental institution sex offender program for almost four years as a teenager. That's so much time. And then got out and just, wow, right into the world doing this shit. Right back to raping.

Now they say to him too, well, if you have witnesses to the contrary, feel free to call him. And he says, I don't have any of those witnesses. And anyone I could have called are unavailable. Right. So, you know how that goes. Dead or raped. Some people are busy. Right.

They're busy. They can't come to this. They're busy dealing with the shit that I did to them. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Now, the court says in their official language, we have previously held it in the penalty phase. Any relevant, aggravating and mitigating circumstances may be admitted. We further added that the sentencing body, quote, may not rely on other violent criminal activity as an aggravating factor supporting the death penalty unless it is first convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused did commit the other crime.

They're saying you can't say that he did a bunch of horrible shit and then say he's guilty of that crime that we're accusing him of now because of that. But if he's definitely guilty of that, then you can use that. You can use his other bullshit. If he's guilty of the crime we're accusing him of now, you can use his past shit to say, let's hang the son of a bitch. That's basically what they're getting at here. They conclude that Taylor's due process rights were not violated and the receipt of the evidence of the three uncharged criminal acts that doesn't violate it. He also says that it's weird. He's he's appealing on the fact that the conviction or the evidence of a juvenile of juvenile offenses in a capital murder case can't be presented.

But basically what they're saying is he wasn't charged with these. These are just witnesses. These are just like character witnesses basically saying, you know, this guy raped me all the time. And so it will be admissible, they said, because there was no court record or any record of these things going on. And then if the sister's going to come and say he's a great guy, well, then you're opening it. Did he rape you? Well, then how's he a great guy? So that's how it works there.

Jesus Christ. He wants that testimony thrown out like the cross-examination. Anything bad against him he wants thrown out basically. Anything that's damaging to my case. Who doesn't like me? I want it thrown out. Yeah. They say there's no error in the admittance of the juvenile offenses and also he says that the burglary and carrying a concealed weapon should not have been introduced as an aggravating circumstances at the penalty phase

because there was no evidence that there were violent crimes involving threat or use of force these are this is his former conviction uh they say that the cases here uh don't even that he's citing don't even apply to this shit because he's bringing up cases that basically introduce burglary as like a way to prove that the guy committed a violent felony. All these things like he's going, he's not doing it right. Court documents say, as previously mentioned, our sentencing statute specifically allows for evidence of a defendant's character, background, history, mental and physical condition, and any other facts and aggravation or mitigation of the penalty, regardless of its admissibility under the exclusionary rules of evidence. So, yeah, if you're doing sentencing, shit is different. It's not like court.

The court finds no error in the guilt phase or the penalty phase of the trial. They said in sentencing Taylor to death, the trial judge relied on the statutory aggravating factors of the rape of the victim, which is horrible. The burglary, the way he gained entrance into the house. The judge found that his prior convictions for burglary and carrying a concealed weapon to be aggravating factors as they goddamn are. He also concluded that he was a free person, Taylor, unable to avoid his criminal activity. And there's no mitigating circumstances for you. He just, nothing was presented in evidence.

The judge did say that there was some evidence of Taylor having an, quote, unfortunate childhood, although he also called that evidence, quote, sketchy and not very compelling. Sounds like you made childhoods worse for others than you ever had for you. I was going to judge use the word sketchy. Sketchy. Well, sketchy. I'm not sure about that. And going to judge use the word sketchy. Sketchy. A little sketchy. I'm not sure about that. And what he does is the conviction and sentence are affirmed.

Yeah. Eat shit, basically, here. He gave up his appealing in 1995, October, after his request for a retrial was rejected by the Utah Supreme Court. There was some weird little legality they were trying to get a retrial on. And they said no. No. court. There was some weird little legality they were trying to get a retrial on. They said no. So what he does,

what Taylor does at this point is he fires his defense attorney at brass. He says, quote, if I don't fight for my appeal, I don't need an attorney, which makes sense. He said he was prepared to die, partly because he was not healthy at all. He had an enlarged heart, bleeding ulcers

and swollen legs and diabetes to, I believe, which good. Fuck you feet. And diabetes, too, I believe. Good. Fuck you. His quote was, quote, I don't want to die alone in my cell. Guess who fucking died alone somewhere else, you son of a bitch? Guess who died alone in a fucking mother's bed? Not in a much bigger room, by the way. In an apartment?

It wasn't much bigger. I don't want to die in my cell. We'll all cry for you. Unbelievable here. So the original execution date was set for 1992. But when they did the appeals and all that, it was rescheduled, rescheduled. He was trying to get the appeal based on a 1992 law that establishes life imprisonment without parole because they didn't have that exact statute before. So he's like, I can just have that. Just throw me in there forever.

And they were like, no, no, no, no. Good. We'll kill you. That's okay. We got the right one. He had claustrophobia and boredom. Oh, my God. Oh, I feel so bad. What a whiner. Oh, shit. He's got so many objections. Oh, God. He's just so put upon, this guy, for Christ's sake.

Earned his high school diploma in there. Oh, good for him. Studied to be a paralegal until his educational grant money ran out. Good. Fuck you. What does he need to be a paralegal for? What do you need this for? You're not even appealing anymore. You have no need for any legal knowledge. You have a death sentence, asshole. Jesus out. Good. Fuck you. What does he need to be a paralegal for? What do you need this for? You're not even appealing anymore.

You have no need for any legal knowledge. You have a death sentence, asshole. Jesus Christ. Yeah. The judge here orders Taylor, Judge Roth, orders Taylor to choose a method of execution. Oh, that's fun. Because that's how it works there. He chooses to be executed by firing squad.

Yes. Okay. Firing squad, he says, to make the process more difficult for Utah state officials. In an interview, he said, quote, I didn't commit the murder and I'm not going to submit to letting them kill me on that table. I don't want to go out flopping around like a fish out of water on that table.

How do you think you go out when you get shot? You're going to flop a little. He said, quote, to be strapped to a table and injected full of drugs leaves me with a feeling of helplessness because I am innocent of the crime for which I was convicted of. Anyway, if my execution is carried out, it will be murder. Granted, it may be legally sanctioned, but nonetheless, murder it will be. And the firing squad is my way of showing that point.

And because of the cost and inconvenience, it will cause the state because they are not really prepared for an execution by firing squad, which is true because they had not had one since 1977. Wow. Because it's not. In 77 they did one? 76, I'm sorry. That's awesome. No, it was 77. That's crazy.

Gilmore, Gary Gilmore. Okay. Yeah, there had been some. The reason why they haven't been doing it a lot is because there's some crazy shit that goes on with firing squad. It's a tough. It's a weird. Guys have to shoot a guy in the heart, so it's a weird thing. I have a couple of little stories of past firing squad mishaps really yeah i got some firing squad uh mishaps here and

some weird shit that happened like one guy was an 18 year old who sold his body for a bag of candy what uh yeah he was a killer from new york he went out there and he in in a provovo jail yard. He sold his corpse to a Provo surgeon for a pound of candy. What? Like his post body. Post shot. He said, you can have my body for a pound of candy. Wow. So he could experiment on it because this was back in the day.

Super weird. One guy allowed an EKG, basically, to monitor his heartbeat during his death by firing squad, which is crazy. His heart stopped 15.6 seconds after the bullet struck, which is crazy. His heart rate went from 72 beats to 180 beats at the moment he was strapped into the chair, which you can imagine that'll— Oh, yeah, yeah. That's how it happens.

Yeah, he donated his body to the university there. Another guy just ended up getting a hold of some drugs and OD'd the night before the firing squad, which, get out of there that's cool this other guy named uh this guy's crazy man kirkham he had pizza and ice cream in the prison auditorium and was uh was uh playing the piano and shit like the day before the murder having a good old time and he was i guess a shitty piano player sure they couldn't really do it and then he said quote i'll just have to practice more and started laughing and shit. So, like, he was super weird. But we'll get to why that's why he's similar here. This Kirkham also said when he was offered hanging or firing squad and he said, quote, what costs most?

He chose the noose because of the publicity it would generate and because he wanted to make his death difficult for the state. He said, quote, I heard the shooters get to keep the guns and they're not getting anything for free from me, which I think is fucking hilarious. So he just wanted to be a dick. Yeah. Yeah. Cost the fucking state a little more money. Yeah.

In 1879, there was a guy who they didn't use the straps on. Yeah. He he like he convinced them. I want to, you know, I'm a man. Yeah, I can take it. Exactly. He said, you know, I want to look the people in the eye. I give you my word. I intend to die like a man. Yeah, I can take it. Exactly. He said, I want to look the people in the eye. I give you my word.

I intend to die like a man in the whole deal. But he didn't. And they started shooting. And they missed him. They missed his heart because he was moving around. And then he jumped out of the chair. He jumped out of the chair screaming, oh, my God, oh, my God, they've missed. And it took 27 minutes for him to die.

Wow. So that is fucking horrible, man. What, did they hit him in the shoulder 27 minutes for him to die. Wow. So that is fucking horrible, man. What, did they hit him in the shoulder? Yeah, he moved a little bit. It's a heart. Jesus Christ. Not great here. Oh, my God.

They've missed. They've missed. Somebody just shoot him in the face. No shit. Another time they had a shooting machine that they made. Oh, shit. It was a crazy thing. It was three mounted rifles on a steel frame oh sweet and it

was pre-aimed and loaded with two live rounds in a blank and had silencers and everything like that batman in in the dark night when when batman's shooting at the fucking yeah that thing that that moved yeah i think so yeah shot at the bricks to get the i think that's what we're looking at here it was fired by a coil spring mechanism set off by cutting three strings. Awesome. That's what it did, basically. And they ended up, they called it the shooting gallery. And it was only used that one time with this guy.

That's awesome. Went into storage. And then during World War I, they donated it to the scrap metal drive. So it's not around anymore. They donated a fucking killing machine to a scrap metal yard. To a scrap metal yard. That's awesome. It's so weird.

So good. So January 1996 here, this is before he's about to be executed. They asked him about Sharon King, anything like that. And he said, quote, there's really not much I can say to her. I'm sorry for her loss, but I didn't do it. Okay. For his last meal, he orders pizzas with everything, quote, unquote. So just, you know, everything on it.

Fucking special. Bunch of shit on there. They said this was the same thing. Two pizzas? Pizzas. Just as many as he wants. Whatever. This is the same meal that the guy who said, what costs more?

All right. They're not getting anything for free from me. They said it reminded him a lot here. He shared the pizza Taylor did with his uncle, Gordon Lee, because his dad had already died. His attorney, Ed Brass, was there, also a Catholic priest. He said his stomach had been doing flip-flops earlier in the day and requested some antacid medication. And he said he didn't want any more pizza, soda, or coffee because his stomach was bothering him. And he refused his sedative also.

By the way, too, he got religious in the last couple weeks before his death. He tried to pull that shit. I don't know what good he thinks that's going to fucking do him, but whatever. Now, they have kind of a minute-by-minute or whatever, 15-minute-by-15-minute breakdown of his night here. Fantastic. 4.30 p.m., he's sitting quietly on his bunk with his back against the wall. 4.45, his Uncle Gordon Lee comes in. 4.53, three uncle Gordon Lee comes in.

453, three pizzas and some Coke arrive. He says he takes the medication first. He continues to talk to his uncle. 515, they're both in good spirits. The warden at 550 asked Taylor if the pizza was good, and he said, very good, I'm full. Okay. His uncle leaves at 602. They say he's very calm. 618, he reads mail taylor does his possessions or inventory yeah all that sort of thing 630 taylor sits on the edge of the bed

staring at the floor that's exactly what i think he'll be doing about that time 656 attorney christine rogers visits taylor yeah uh 744 uh taylor asked if he could again have some more antacid. He must be really having. He's really shitting. Yeah. He's got problems. The warden says he'd get it for him.

He gets more antacid by eight fifteen p.m. Chaplain Rodriguez and John Taylor discussing the prayers and the afterlife. Yeah. Which he should be fucking worried about that if he's that religious. He should be super worried. Nine forty one p.m. His mood appears positive. Nine fifty six. He's talking to his attorneys. They p.m. His mood appears positive. 9.56.

He's talking to his attorneys. They say Taylor seems to be in good spirits and adamant to proceed. Let's get this fucking show on the road. 10.10. Constant conversation sprinkled with frequent laughter. He seems relaxed and almost happy, they say. By 10.45, he is visiting his attorneys and they're singing hymns now with the priest. By 1048, Father Rodriguez is reading scriptures.

Taylor is now crying, sitting very still with his head bowed. I guess you are, asshole. Eight o'clock seems so far away. Oh, Jesus, those two hours that have gone by. He was having a good time. Eleven thirty five. The warden asked him if he wants to wear his glasses for the execution. And he says, quote, there's no need for them.

Yeah. And gives the warden his glasses and a necklace with a cross on it. At eleven fifty, he's taken to the death area, which is a warehouse. Yeah. Basically, they do a warehouse. They allow him to have his first cigarette since he was arrested. Really? They actually let him have a warehouse. Yeah. Basically, they do a warehouse. They allow him to have his first cigarette since he was arrested. Really? They actually let him have a cigarette.

He's been sitting around for 20 years wishing he had it. Six years. It's only been six. Six years. This is 96. Six years. Holy shit, that's fast. He wants a cigarette.

They give him a cigarette. That's like old school firing squad, though. They fucking put a blindfold on, stick a cigarette in the guy's mouth. All right, there. Suck it down. Yeah. Even if I didn't smoke, I'd want a cigarette if I was going to get killed. I'd be like, give me something.

I don't give a shit. Jam heroin in my eyeball. Perfect. I don't care if this makes me sick. You know how there's usually like vigils and people outside with signs and shit like that? They had a vigil at St. Anne's Episcopal Church. You know how many people showed up? Five.

Wow. Five. There's usually hundreds. Five people gave a damn. Yeah. Five. If you do this shit, it's like, yeah, no, we don't really, that's fine. We'll let this one go.

These are just the people that really hate the death penalty. Even people who are adamantly against the death penalty, I guarantee you a bunch of them are like, we're going to let this one go. We're not going to say anything about it. We'll do the next one. Let's look at the guy who robbed the liquor store. Who's next? Who's next?

This guy, fuck him. What they do here at the warehouse there in the Utah prison, they outfit it with one-way mirrors, plywood partitions, and gun ports. And there's a wooden armchair that they make that they put him in and strap him down. It's a deep purple, the chair, deep midnight blue, I'm sorry, to neutralize the color of blood. It's just kind of a – they call it an indistinguishable glistening hue made of steel and mesh is what they say. Velcro strips secure him down at the ankles, wrists, arms, and body so he can't move. His last words are, I would just like to say for my family, for my friends, as the poem was written, remember me but let me go. That's his last words, which is, I hate when they try to be fucking deep about it.

Fuck you. Take it easy, you goddamn Voltaire. it. Yeah. Fuck you. Take it easy. Goddamn Voltaire. You're not Nietzsche. Just fucking die. They said he lifted his head to put the for the warden to secure his neck to the chair. They place a pan. They place his head over a pan to catch blood down below him.

He puts a hood over his head. The warden does over Taylor's head. The shooters are arranged 17 feet away behind the gun ports there. They have bright lights. 17 feet. That is so close. They have bright lights on him. Sandbags are all around him for both ricochet possibility and for blood soakage.

The guy who runs the execution squad, I guess, goes down the aisle tapping each shooter on the shoulder. That's the get ready thing. And then they tell them that they're ready at that point. It's five cops that do it. Five police officers do this. It's a volunteer brigade to the execution squad. They each get paid $300, which I find really kind of weird and unsettling.

And I don't like that. Yeah. Don't pay them anything. They've got a salary. You're either volunteering or volunteering. Yeah, to get paid. You just got paid for a hit. That's what you just did.

I get that it's not a piece of shit, and if you did it outside in the street and put a gun behind his head and blew his fucking brains out, I'd pat you on the back. But to get $300 from the state seems like a shit way to do it. But only one of them has a bullet, right? No, only one of them doesn't. Oh, wow. One blank. That's it.

It's one blank. Everybody else has a bullet. Everybody else has a bullet, right? No, only one of them doesn't. Oh, wow. One blank. That's it. It's one blank. Everybody else has a bullet. Everybody else has a bullet. They have identical Winchester Model 94 rifles. Okay. They're selected at random on the table. They're not like, we're going to give Bob the blank. They don't do that.

It's random. They hand it out. A second official loads the rifle and returns it. So it's very like a nobody knows anything here. The one is secretly loaded with a wax bullet. That's how it works here. It's the blank. They even test these blanks to make sure that they have the real recoil and everything on

the regular bullet because they don't want these guys to know, basically. Feel the difference. Yeah. They all fire at once. It's not five shots. It's boom, one big shot that goes off, basically. They do it at the exact same time. There's a white cloth over his heart.

That's how they do it. It's like a target, basically. And they all shoot that. They said he relaxed and tilted back, and they shot him. And that was that. It's over. It's over with. How many bullets go at him?

Four. Four. Four. They checked his neck for a pulse, and they cut two holes in the hood to check for light reflex to see if he's alive. He's declared dead at 1207, and that's the 49th person since 1852 to be executed in Utah. There was 150 TV crews from around the world. People don't do barbaric shit like this in anywhere but Saudi Arabia and Syria and shit

like that. You don't do it in organized, civilized countries. There there are i guarantee you in belgium they do not march anybody in with thing and shine lights on them how people shoot them in the heart it does not fucking happen so i mean whatever we're not even going to get into the whatever it is but it's interesting the people around the world to go wow they're going to shoot somebody that's fucking creepy they had a lot of reporters there obviously like i said one of them here kevin dale stanfield said quote the image i have when i close my eyes is of his chest heaving upward after he was shot so it's that's for normal people you don't see anybody get shot

yeah uh he like i said the first one since gary gilmore it was uh the only person he had there was gordon lee his his uh his uncle and he said his quote was, quote, I guess that answers that, don't it? Answers what? The question of whether he can die from a gunshot to the heart, I guess. How was the pizza? No shit, right? They cremate him. They ship him to his uncle Gordon there.

It's weird, too, because the state has to have a death certificate, and they have to certify cause of death, and it's homicide. Really? What else? It's not natural. That's pretty awesome. You can die of natural causes. It meets the state's definition of intentional death by another hand. However, state law exempts the actions of executioners from prosecution, obviously.

Right after this, there's representatives introducing bills to eliminate the firing squad right away uh one of them here that ended up passing and succeeding uh they the representative here cheryl allen said quote if they choose the firing squad it's one last magnificent manipulation of the system to bring attention to themselves it's time for utah to do away with the firing squad they're not wrong which is true it's absolutely that's exactly why he did it that's violent as fuck and it brings everybody's attention. But the other part is that it brings everybody's attention to what you did, fuckface. True, but it also brings attention to you and gives you, and there's a lot of people

that just want attention. Yeah. And they're like, well, if I can die like that, 150 people from around the world. Yeah. That's a problem. Yeah. Which, you know, that's been a problem forever. Yeah.

Now, Sharon King, God damn it, this woman is amazing that she says this. Sharon King, obviously, Sharla's mother, she said she was alone in a Salt Lake City hotel room while the execution. She didn't want to see it. She said, quote, I felt something pass through my heart around midnight and felt he was dead.

Part of me wanted him to die and the other part of me felt bad for him. My heart goes out to his mom. Wow. What a fucking nice person. She knows what it's like to lose a baby. Yeah, but he said part of me, not even just his mom, part of me felt bad for him, she said. That's a person. That's a human fucking being, man. She has emotion.

That's the difference between her and him, though. He didn't have it. No, he's a remorseless everything. The only person he felt sorry for is him also. Yeah, she feels remorse for this guy who killed her daughter. He's a remorseless everything. The only person he felt sorry for is him also. Yeah, she feels remorse for this guy who killed her daughter. He's a remorseless pedophile. Yeah, and even he, she feels remorse for this. Wow.

Now, Charlotte King's uncle was also there, Elliot King. He said, quote, I was glad I got to see it. I thought he died very, very quickly. Then he said he didn't feel any sympathy for Taylor. He said, I think that he wasn't willing to make any restitution towards Sharla by admitting guilt. I said, great. I feel that it's good he's gone. Sharon won't have to keep reliving this crime, which definitely here.

Now, that got rid of the firing squad. But there was one more person to get executed by firing squad because the case was from 1985. Really? It was before the statute. So in June of 2008, Ronnie Lee Gardner was executed with the firing squad. And he became the last person to do that. He says about this, wow, this is Ronnie Lee Gardner's thing about he said he wanted, he said it was his right to die by firing squad. God damn it. He said, quote, I guess it's my Mormon heritage.

I like the firing squad. It's so much easier and there's no mistakes. Okay. I don't know what that has to do with being Mormon. There's no mistakes on any of them, really. I read a lot into this. You're still going to die. Yeah.

Brigham Young had a thing about the only way someone can be saved if they're a killer or whatever was to shed their blood. It was a weird thing about Mormonism. So I think that's part of it. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But I read a big thing about this. Jesus Christ, they only have a week. I can't find out every tenet of Mormonism in addition to murders and everything else. And that shit is complicated.

Yeah. But Gardner fought to stop the execution. When they couldn't stop the execution, he just was shot and executed. There's also Idaho and Oklahoma also allow the firing squad. Awesome. People are trying to ban it all over. But then some people in 2015, Utah legislators introduced bills to bring back the firing squad. Really?

For some reason. I don't know why. One guy, and this also creeped me out about it. The $300, and they talked to a guy who was on the firing squad. No, don't do that. Anonymity later on. on. And he said, I don't like what he said. He said, quote, the death penalty is nothing more than sending a defective product back to the manufacturer. I don't like that. He says the quote, the appeals process is a little out of control. Get it done in a couple of years and move on.

And then he said that they were talking about, you know, what about ones that people who've been proved innocent and freed? He says he doubts there have been any innocent people executed since 1976. That's what he said. Meanwhile, DNA, we've exonerated a million people. But he has to tell himself this to be able to do this shit. Yeah, he says it's harder to keep. He says with all the appeals now, which he just said they shouldn't have, that process minimizes the risk of innocent people being executed.

Not really. But he wants to take that away. But he also wants to take that away. And that's not even true to begin with. He said it's not a murder. The death penalty, he says, quote, it needs to be used more often. And he says, quote, I haven't lost three seconds of sleep over it. It's true justice.

Then they said, do you have any guilt at all? He said, quote, I've shot squirrels and felt worse about it. Wow. He said he would definitely volunteer again if given the opportunity. He said, quote, there's just some people we need to kick off the planet. I don't want that guy on the firing squad. That's a guy that has wanted to murder somebody so many times. That's a guy I want to check his freezer.

I don't want him on firing squads. And then he walked in a voting booth and voted for Donald Trump. He also said of the firing squad, quote, it was anticlimactic another day at the office. It wasn't enough for me. You killed a human being at the voting booth. I didn't come, is what he said. Yeah, exactly. I didn't get to go up and really get him good.

I didn't get to spray my load on his face. That guy is a violent person. Yeah. Poor little Sharla is buried at Brigham City Cemetery, Brigham City Box, Elder County, Utah. So that is that. Like I said, you don't get much rougher than that. And what actually happened in there was the fucking worst thing I've ever heard. It's terrible.

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It's a call to action. It's not even an air of grievance. It's a call to action. It's not even an air of grievance. It's a call to action, okay? I would like to say, and I'm going to stand up for this shit, too, because I feel like I need to be on stage for this shit. But, okay, this is what we need from you guys because you guys have been amazing and you guys have given us everything. Honestly, anything that we get out of this show in the future, anything that comes from this positive is because you guys, it's all it really is. We would like to request for you to do us a favor. OK, go see good shows.

And that includes our show. And that includes other shows to others. If you see a podcast coming through or a comedian that you really like coming through, go buy tickets to that. For sure. Go buy tickets to things like this, because, you know, we're going to do our show is going to be about an hour, 45 minutes. Yeah. And it's going to be fucking For sure. Buy tickets to things like this because you know what we're going to do? Our show's going to be about an hour 45 minutes and it's going to be fucking jam-packed. There's going to be laughs. It's going to be worth

the money is what we're talking about. And the problem is you guys out there, just regular people that go to a comedy club once in a while, I guarantee you when you walk out, you don't feel like you got your money's worth, do you? You don't, do you? Unless you went, and if you did, you went to a theater probably to go see Bill Burr or Jim Gaffigan or Louis C.K. or Amy Schumer or whoever you're into.

That's you go there. But a comedy club, you know what you did? You walked in because they gave you free tickets probably. That's very common. Because all the good comics do theaters, and their comedy clubs, I i'll tell you a little secret comedy clubs are dying yeah that shit is dying that bubble's about to burst and they're they've been pumping it up and ripping you guys the fuck off forever and that's the goddamn truth you know why you go in there and you even not we even with free tickets you walk out with a hundred dollar tab with two drink minimums and all that

shit and you don't feel like you got your fucking money's worth. You know why that is? Because those good comics are doing theaters, and there's B and C headliners that sometimes are good headliners and sometimes are good comics. Great comics. Good guys, too. A lot of good girls, good ladies, good everything. But they can't fill a fucking room. Right.

They can't fill a room. And nobody knows who they are. Nobody knows who they are, and they can't fill a room. And you know what? A lot of them are weak, too. That's the other thing. And so basically, bookers, the comedy bookers, they're the people that they want to have a big circle jerk with everybody, okay? When they talk to C Headliner, shitty headliner that they're booking and ripping you off on, by the way,

when they're talking to their manager and booking that guy, they're booking that comic in hopes that that manager's other client, who's a big comic who goes to the theater normally, maybe will come in for three days this year. No doubt. So you're going to get 10, 20, 10, 15 weekends a year of a shit comic that doesn't deserve to headline a fucking place because a manager, a booker wants to have a circle jerk with a manager. That's how it works.

Because in this fucking business nobody nobody can be truthful everybody's got to remain friends that's the bullshit and in the end guess what you get to pay for that shit it's your wallet your money paying for that bullshit pays for them to have lunches and slap each other on the fucking backs how about let's kick them out of power let's get them the fuck out of the position to have any decision making ability whatsoever. You guys do it. You choose who you want to see.

Let them go to an industry that won't promote fucking up that industry. They won't promote it because right now they're having you see a shit headliner who, by the way, you know how that first and second guy go up? Guess what I was told? That headliner doesn't want that second guy to be any good. He doesn't. He doesn't want pressure. He wants him terrible. He doesn't want to put on the best show for the audience.

You guys who paid for that shit. He wants you to supplement his fucking ego. That's what he wants. He wants you to pay all this money so he can bring his drinking buddy with him who has 10 decent minutes and has to fucking sell T-shirts with the last four minutes of his act because that's the only way he'll break even. That's how he can pay for his travel and it makes the headliner feel good enough in his ego that that guy's not outshining him so guess what nobody puts pressure

on everybody you guys get a shit lame show you never go back to comedy clubs again fuck that go to comedy clubs see us yeah come see us see people like us tell the clubs who you want tell theaters who you want tweet Tell theaters who you want. Tweet at them. Say, I want crime and sports. I want small town murder to come to this place. Because you know what they'll do? They'll get a hold of us and they'll book us and we will be there.

That's what happens. Tell them, I don't want shit headliner A or shit headliner B. We don't want that shit just because your booker wants to have a circle jerk with somebody. Because all of these fucking bookers, they feel like they're in charge. They feel like they can steal your money and they feel like they can control people like us and control our careers and control everything, control the content that goes out. And that's why people make podcasts. Yes. Because they can control their own fucking destiny and they don't have to deal with that.

When you're told don't go out and try to crush before somebody because it will make them feel bad, the industry's over, man. It's done. The fucking bubble has burst. The bubble has burst. And I'll tell you another thing, bookers, if there are any of you cocksucking fucking gutless shitbags listening right now,

guess what? When you're in there with all of us, the host, the feature, and the headliner, and you're acting like you and the feature are good buddies because you saw him at a festival one time or some horse shit and you and the manager are all fake buddies.

By the way, guess what? When you get fired, they'll slap that next booker on the back and forget you fucking existed You saw him at a festival one time or some horse shit, and you and the manager are all fake buddies. By the way, guess what? When you get fired, they'll slap that next booker on the back and forget you fucking existed while you manage a TGI Fridays, you son of a bitch bastard. But you know what they say as soon as you walk out of the room and everybody's, ha, ha, ha, ha, you treat us like shit and you're all nice to the headliner? They turn to us, the comics, and they say, don't trust that fucking guy as far as you can throw him. He's a scumbag. That's what they say. Every one of them. And you know what?

They've known us for 30 seconds. They don't know if we're funny. They don't know a goddamn thing. They know one thing. You don't, as Ric Flair has said for years, you don't walk that aisle. You don't have to go fucking prove yourself. You don't have to do shit. You get to sit on your fat ass and write fucking names and dates on a calendar, which guess what?

It takes no talent to do that. None. And the world is discovering that. And you're not going to have a fucking job soon. So enjoy doing that because these people are going to take this shit back over and get the shit they want to. And they're not going to be ripped off. They're not. And I'm not saying this about whatever your brand name club is.

People don't care about that anymore. People under 40 years old don't give a shit. They would go to see us in a fucking parking lot in the worst neighborhood in town because that's what they want to see. Why do you think food trucks are popping up? You're eating food while smelling diesel fuel, but it's the food you want for the money you want to fucking pay. So you're not going to be ripped off by Olive Garden anymore. That's all it is right there. So please, what I'm saying is take this shit back.

Just take it back. Tell them what you want and what you don't want. Tell them you don't want it. Say, we don't need Bruce Bruce to come through this year. We don't. We're done. Emo Phillips, he was here last year. We're good.

Tell them that shit. And tell them what you do want. Like people like us. Thank you guys for listening. I'm going to splice this into both shows because I frankly don't have the breath to do it again for Crime and Sports. So with that said, I would like to give the floor over to Jimmy to tell us about these amazing producers who have done exactly what we're asking to do, have ponied up. They've ponied up money. They've ponied up time.

have ponied up. They've ponied up money. They've ponied up time. They're the future. If there's going to be a future of anything funny that people can go see that's fun, these are the people who are going to provide it for us. It's people like Bradley Harker and Dana Grayson. Big homie, Dana. Thanks for listening, brother. I appreciate you.

Ingrid Stokey or Stokey or Stock? I'm not... It's S-T-O-K-K-E. She's the one actually that sent the NOK money sent the N okay money We loved being able to convert some cool Grant Johns Allison Barnett Amy Helfer you what Ewa is that you or II wa I Know don't even try

It's you what you a Taras It's Iwa Taroska. Taroska. Taroska. That kind of sounds good together, though. It's like a cool name when you put the first and last together. It's very Slavic and kick-ass, I think. Yeah, it's not going to like that. It's cool. Jose Olivares and Paolo Oliveria.

El Olivera. I think that's it. Olivera. I don't know. It's Paolo. That's the first name. I dig that. Okay, yeah.

I'll take it. Jim Frank, Carrie Murray, Cat Power in New York. She sent some dough again. Thanks, Cat. Thank you, Cat. She's got herself a job and she's killing it. Okay, yeah, I'll take it. Jim Frank, Carrie Murray, Cat Power in New York. She sent some dough again. Thanks, Cat. Thank you, Cat. She's got herself a job, and she's killing it. Oh, crushing. Or killing people.

She's in an emergency room. I don't know what she's doing. Do it up, Cat. Ashley Stevens, Omar Quintana, Jessica Landron, Anne Cristaldi, Chrissy Ann Cristaldi. The best. God damn it, guys. The two of you are fucking incredible. Thank you.

You really are. Gail Maeve, Brittany McDonald, Candace Horner, Sarah Bessler, Christopher Ascaraga. Almost sounds like ass kicker. That's kind of cool. Laura Pettenari. Is it an Italian one, Jimmy? You want me to take it? Pettenari.

That's it. Pettenari? Yeah. Laura Pettenari. All right. That's not bad. Meg Dankey, Aaron Tanner, Hugh Wilson, Caitlin Maroney, Anthony Marquez, Allison Heimer, Timothy Jenkins, Ben Larson, Mary Grace, holy what the shit is your last name, Mary Grace Skrivonich. That's it.

Skrivonich? Skrivonich. Mary Grace Skrivonich. Thank you, Mary Grace. Again, it sounds like you nailed it. I think you're all right here. You probably didn't at all. Bill McCle Grace. Again, it sounds like you nailed it. I think you're all right here. William McClellan. You probably didn't at all.

Bill McClellan. Yeah, Bill McClellan, Scotland. Dalton Henson. Josh Zack. James Karsh. Josh Rober. Matt Joy. Larissa Kemp.

Sharifa Hay. Rob Clark. Joshua Field. Senga Robertson. Laura Blakelsley. There's so many L's. That's ridiculous. Blakesley. That's it. It's just Blakesley. There's so many L's. That's ridiculous. Blakesley.

That's it. It's just Blakesley. Kelsey Herbert. Or Hebert. Sorry, Kelsey. Kelsey Hebert. Kelly Moore. Mary Hemphill.

I like that a lot. That's Shirley. Sarisha Williams. Kelly Schultze. Schultze. Schulte. It's just Schulte. Okay.

Jesus. Fair enough. Giselle Dodata. Kaylee. Are you shitting me, just Schulte. Okay. Jesus. Fair enough. Giselle Dadada. Kaylee. Are you shitting me, Kaylee? Come on, Kaylee. Kaylee Murikis? Murix.

Murikis. No. It's ruined. Sorry. Sorry, Kaylee. She knows who she is, goddamn it. Jacob Adams is a huge Batman fan, and he liked that we mentioned Batman, so he sent us some Joe things.

I saw that. That's awesome. Thank you. Cool. We mentioned it again today. We mentioned Dark Knight today, so there you go. Mar. I saw that. That's awesome. Thank you. Cool. We mentioned it again today. We mentioned Dark Knight today. There you go. Mariamma Evans.

Pamela Sloan. She upped her donation. Thank you, Pamela. Whitney Booza. Shane and Crystal Davies. Or Davis. Shane and Crystal, they're truck drivers. They're a tandem truck driver.

Oh, cool. Husband and wife. That's so cool. And he gets rest now because she listens to the show. So thank you guys for listening. Right on. Sherry Neese, Bennett Williams, Captain Surly, Nancy Leeds, Charlotte. Oh, fucking hell.

I thought I was going to get through this. Charlotte Karuba. Karuba? It's Karuba. It's got to be. Jeff Maynor, Jennifer Creed, Delinda. God damn it. Delinda Andrews,Lewingi.

Or Lewinge? No. I'm ruining it. I'm so sorry. Lewinge? Lewinge? Maybe. I don't know.

I don't think any of those are right. And Matt Jelinek. Thank you guys so, so much. God damn it. Thank you guys. Thank you for giving a shit. Thank you for supporting this and continue to do so. Thank you guys, really.

You support us and you keep us going. You keep us afloat. And thank you for listening to my insanity. It was awesome. Please, by the way, anybody out there listening, don't penalize Jimmy for that. If somebody is going to fucking say I'm not booking these guys anymore, guess what? I agree with you 100%. I'm on your side.

That's why we do this together. And you know what? We ride or die together. That's right, brother. You know it, man. We fucking do. That's a fact. And you people, all of our listeners, all you great people out

there, you're the people who have allowed us to be able to do this and not have to kiss people's asses because if you have the goods, which is an army of people behind you, which is people that are coming to see you, if you have that, that doesn't matter what any of these people fucking think. You can do whatever you want. You can do whatever you want.

You can do the shows you want for your audience and have a good time doing it. That's right. So that's the key there. So you guys are making this happen. Thank you guys so, so much. What if one of these amazing people wanted to get a hold of a guy like Jimmy Wisman? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat.

And I am at JimmyPIsFunny, or you can try and copy and paste my last name. Don't spell it. It's going to just mess you up. There's an I in there where you don't expect it. So don't do that. Yeah, guys, keep doing that stuff. iTunes, get on that. Do everything. Listen to Crime and Sports also. Guys, it's been a

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