Small Town Murder - #42 - Kitchen Table Murder in Burke, Vermont

Episode Date: November 1, 2017

This week, we check out the sweet, and syrupy town of Burke, Vermont, where a extremely generous, and beloved member of the community was taken, in such a way that caused way more questions than it answered... and that was before the courts got involved. Along the way, we find out why certain terrible names no loner exist, how syrup extracting can get you out of a locked basement, and exactly how cold-blooded a way you can kill someone & still only be a "witness"!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay is right. You got it on the bullseye again, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman.

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Right. And look for us there. Both shows, one night. Do it. At this point, we have to do the disclaimer, Jimmy. It's a bummer, isn't it? It's a bummer. We have to do it.

The reason why it's a bummer is because, honestly, we don't do a disclaimer because the content is so horrific and we're so terrible about it. We do a disclaimer because we don't want to hear anybody complain afterwards. Because it happens. And it's not complaining about anything. They're not complaining like you guys don't do a good job. They're saying there's comedy in this podcast. That's not okay.

You guys made a joke. You guys made a joke. And that's what this podcast is. It's a comedy podcast. All the research is real. The cases are real. We go out of our way to make sure that all the information is right and everything is correct. But we're going to make jokes.

We're stand-up comedians. We're going to make jokes about towns, bumbling police forces, killers maybe. Maybe a joke about killers. But I'll tell you one thing we don't do. And that is we don't make jokes at the expense of the victim or of the victim's family. That's our deal. We've said it a hundred or of the victim's family. That's our deal. We've said it a hundred times. It's our mantra.

That's our mantra. We've not a hundred times. We are assholes, but we're not scumbags. That's true. So it's not that bad. Come on in. That sounds good. Welcome aboard.

It's not that bad. It's not. It's not. We're not making jokes about dead people. It's not how it works. It's just not what the show is. So if that sounds good, welcome aboard. If not, I don't know. There's other stuff out there. N's just not what the show is. So if that sounds good, welcome aboard. If not, I don't know.

There's other stuff out there. NPR has a lot of good stuff. I don't know what to tell you. BBC is around. That's right. We're not for you probably. So sayonara. Have a good one.

Bye. For everybody else, let's head on a trip. Shall we? Bags packed, Jimmy? Yeah. Ready to go? Now I am. You're leaving Utah?

We're all packed up? I forgot my Q-tips in the hotel. That's okay. Keep your parka. Don't forget your big jacket from Utah because you're going to need it. We're going somewhere snowy again. Oh, boy. We're going to Vermont this time, Jimmy.

All the way to the northeast. We've been there once, haven't we? We have not been to Vermont yet. We've been to New Hampshire. Okay. Not Vermont. Okay. Not Vermont.

This will take care of the entire northeast region. Rhode Island's down there, but those main New England, main New Hampshire, Vermont. The 13 original colonies. Yeah, except Rhode Island. We haven't got that. And Delaware, too. We're still yet to do Delaware. North Carolina also.

But that's okay. We'll get there. We'll get there. Case is planned. We're going to Burke, Vermont. Burke, Vermont. This is a nice little small town. It's pretty cool. We'll talk about it in a second here.

It's a northeastern part of the state. Way up there toward Canada. It is two counties shy of Canada. It is Canada with less health care. That's all this place is. I didn't realize they were that far north. Canada with less health care. That's where we're talking about here.

If you're living up there, you might as well just cross the border and move to Canada because you're already in Canada. You're getting all the disadvantages of Canada with the cold and everything else. At least go where people are nice. I don't know what to tell you. They're nice in Vermont, though. I'm sure they are. Vermont's a weird place. Have you ever been to Vermont?

It's a strange place. I mean, I've driven through it, but I haven't been like into the, I haven't experienced Vermont. It's super weird because it's mountainous, first of all. So there's all these like kind of ski mountain places and stuff like that. So it's like touristy, but then it's also like super redneck-y at the same time. I could see that. But then they're different kind of rednecks. They're like syrup rednecks as opposed to moonshine rednecks.

They're sticky. Yeah, it's a very sticky environment. It's a very strange, wasn't Super Troopers the movie based in Vermont? I think so. I think so. And that's kind of, it's just a weird place up there. I don't know how else to describe it, but you're up there going, it's just odd here. It's just, but not in a bad way.

It's actually, it's beautiful. I mean, you can't describe how beautiful it is. The trees and the mountains. Everything up that way is amazing looking. It's gorgeous. It snows up there. It's, you know, describe how beautiful it is. The trees and the mountains. Everything up that way is amazing looking. It's gorgeous. It snows up there. It's, you know, picturesque. It's a nice place.

And the people are nice. And there's no real big cities in Vermont. This is in Caledonia County, this particular town. Zip code 05871. So we're into the zeros there. Back to the base. Some of the original. Some of the original zip codes.

Area code 802. It's a big town in terms of mileage, square mileage, because it's kind of three areas that they kind of mushed into one, basically. It's a 34 square miles. So that's a big, small town. That's a lot of area. It's a lot of forest and a lot of things like that. A lot of shit that's uninhabitable. A lot of shit and a lot of bigger properties and things like that. It's not lot of area. It's a lot of forest and a lot of things like that. A lot of shit that's uninhabitable. A lot of shit and a lot of bigger properties and things like that.

It's not very dense there. This is in Vermont's what they call the Northeast Kingdom. Oh. I was like, what the hell is a Northeast Kingdom? But apparently that's the term in Vermont. Did they think we were going to have a king here? It refers to the northeast corner of Vermont. It's three counties, Essex, Orleans, and Caledonia counties.

And that's it. They use N-E-K as the shortening of that. And that's that. That's Northeast Kingdom. Great. Okay, great. The kingdom. Burke itself, it's an old town.

We were in Utah last week. And the town started in 1942. Here's 1782. Holy shit. Let's head it back a little bit further. Yeah, it's one of the, I mean, northeast town. That's what it is. The first settlers arrived in here in 1792.

A guy named Lemuel Walter lived there, and they organized the town in his home in 1796. He cleared some land, built a cabin, and damn it, we're going to have a damn town here. What was his name? His Lemuel Walker. Lemuel. Lemuel. That's a shit first name. That's one of those names where you see it in the 1700s and you go, yeah, I understand why that name just died out at some point.

When do you think the last Lemuel was? That's him. That's him right there. The last surviving, last of the Lemuels. Last week, though, I corrected you on the pronunciation of that word. We were both wrong. You were right, actually. I think you were really close. It was a Dutch word.

And a Dutch person emailed me and said, you're an idiot, by the way. I know that. What are you going to do? In my head, you spelling it, I just spelled Llewellyn in my head. And when you said it and I saw it, I went, yeah, that's right. How did I not see that? You're goddamn right, Llewellyn.

That's all I think of. Jesus Christ. And it absolutely was not. We were totally wrong. I forget what it was, but the Dutch person knows. Yeah, I don't remember. I remember seeing the pronunciation and going, I'm never going to remember that. Not going to happen. knows yeah i don't remember seeing the pronunciation i'm going i'm never gonna remember not gonna happen uh they divided this town the surveyors at first divided this town into uh lots of about 160 acres which is uh it's a big lot there was people back then they needed farm and

they needed each person got 160 acres those were the lots they were digging yeah 160 you could buy one and parcel one out exactly yeah but the person that bought it got 160 fucking acres. 160 acres. And a lot of these people were, they didn't even buy it. They were Revolutionary War soldiers that were given land as payment. Because we've gone through within New Hampshire, if we remember that also, they had a similar thing where Revolutionary War soldiers, they were paid in land, basically. The government didn't have money to pay them. So they like here have a bunch of trees yeah enjoy i'm trying to wrap my

head around 160 acres though like christopher robin had 100 acre woods to to go and to go in and take her jumping around his mind yeah go drop acid or whatever you did out there whatever the hell he did he was just scraping He was just scraping spores off the trees, eating them, tripping balls, running around the forest going, no, there's a tiger. Oh, there's a ruin. It's got a baby too. There's a tiger in the forest. I'm telling you.

And it bounces on its fucking tail. No, he doesn't fucking walk. He's a tiger. He bounces on his tail. What do you think he's doing? Jesus Christ. No, I didn't eat the shit on the side of the tree. What are you talking about?

No, I'm fine. So Christopher Robin had 100 acres to go fucking be a nut and create an amazing story. And these people each get 160 apiece. These people are like, eat shit, Christopher Robin. Christopher Robin ain't got shit on this place. The original town charter granted lands to 65 people who most of them came from Connecticut. A lot of these people came from Connecticut. Those were different people from the Revolutionary War people.

The town's name, Burke, is named after Sir Edmund Burke. Of course it is. Of course. He was a member of British Parliament who actually – he was a member of Parliament who tried to promote making peace with the American colonies to stop the war for independence. Oh, that was nice of him. Kind of let them be on his thing. So they were so – they liked him so much they said, let's name a town after this son of a bitch. them. And kind of let them be on his thing. So they were so nice.

Yeah, they liked him so much, they said, let's name a town after this son of a bitch. Yeah. I'm sure he's a real party guy. Yeah. Let's send him some syrup. He's at least understanding. Yeah, he gets it. Or he was just lazy.

Right. He's like, we're going to go fight them? Really? For that? That's a long way to go to fight them. It's just syrup. That's all I got. It's just syrup.

I mean, it's practically Canada. Do we need to- Somebody heard they had 160 acres each, and they were like, we're fighting. We're coming for it. We're going. We're going. Burke's like, you guys, that's a long boat trip. Had nothing to do with the rest of the country.

They were just northeastern Vermont is all they were concerned about. So they needed people at that point, because now they started having, they have the forest there, so they started having lumber for sale, and they had water there. So there were sawmills, and that was the first industry. They started building roads, all that sort of thing. Pretty much the farms, they started having farms there as they started taking all the trees away for lumber. So it was kind of after that, by the late 1800s, it was kind of saw, the sawmill was over, the lumber was over and it was mainly just farming after that and that sort of thing. Dairy farms became a big deal by the 1940s, that sort of thing. In 1800, they had 108 people. In 1900, they had 1,184 people. Holy shit. So it grew a lot. It grew a lot. What is that, 1,000%?

Yeah, I think it's 1,000%. I think so. It's a lot. Yeah. Well, don't count on us for math, but it's a thousand percent. It's a large percent. In 1953, 13 people, 13 men formed a corporation which started the development of the Burke Mountain Ski Area. Okay. And this place is big for skiing. Yeah. This is a big, it's Vermont.

It's all skiing. It's all mountains. Every mountain. Lots of hot chocolate. Yeah, lots of hot chocolate. And like I said, I think they just drizzle themselves in warm syrup to keep warm. Sounds like it. God, that sounds lovely.

That's how it works up here. They started developing vacation homes, and people started coming in from out of town. It kind of changed the town a little bit. People in this town, population hasn't changed too dramatically since 1900. Population right now is 1,722. Wow. So it's a small town spread out over 34 miles. So it's not a lot of people.

It's up 22.5% since 1990. Okay. So there's been some- A little bit of a boom. Yeah, there's been a little bit of a boom, like we've shown all of these suburbs, all these places that are- Destinations, too. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So there's that sort of thing here. Median age in this town, a little bit older than normal. Median age normally in the country is 37.4. Here we are at 43.5. It's a little bit older. It's a little bit calmer. I'm sensing flannel. I'm sensing people with money move there after they retire, early retire, though.

That too. Yeah, because you have ski people. It's kind of like when we did Tahoe. Yeah, it's money folks. Yeah, except there seems less white trash in this town. Like Tahoe, remember we did South Lake Tahoe. It was like rich people in the ski resorts and then down in the basin.

The basin. Below the mountains was just trailer parks, seas of trailer parks after that. So I feel like that's kind of a deal here. It's like an example of society. Like you're on top of the mountain when you got money, but when you roll down it and you're down in the basin, you're with the white trash.

You're herding to the trailer. And you're knocking out old women and raping little girls. Good God, Jesus, that was horrible. It was episode 11. Go back. It was a crazy story. Two-parter, I think that was for us. Male-female population.

Few more males than females, which is kind of the exact opposite of what it usually is. Married population is a lot higher than normal. It's normally about 50-50. We're about 61% married here. So, yeah, it's a very – it's a Norman Rockwell painting, this town, it seems like. Just popping out snows falling in the window. Less single people, obviously, with more married people. Less widowed people, so there's not a lot of elderly, I, with more married people, less widowed people.

So there's not a lot of elderly, I would imagine, there. More divorced people than normal. So what you're saying is it sounds like there's a lot of people in their 40s and 50s. Right. Is what the thing I would see here is. Race of this town. I'm going to give you a guess what Vermont, what you'd expect the racial breakdown of Vermont to be.

As the driven snow, sir. Yes. Vermont and Maine are the two whitest states in America. No black people made it up that far. Fuck that snow. That's awful. It's snow and everything else. It's like eight feet of snow in the winter.

It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah, it's wild up there. White, 96.49% white. Do we even bother with everything else? That's pretty white. 2% black. Oh, okay.

So, I mean, there's 2%. 0.47% Hispanic. Wow. okay. So, I mean, there's 2%. 0.47% Hispanic. Wow. So, yeah, I don't know. That's just ski resort rental guys? I don't know. Who? What?

Who? But, yeah, not a lot of Hispanic people there at all. It is 99.53% non-Hispanic, as the statistics tell us. That's a lot. That's a lot. It's very, very much not Hispanic here. Religion, last week we were at, what, 78% in Utah?

A lot of the LDS. Here, Northeast, we are at 33.42%. So we're kind of the other end of the scale. It's usually 50-50. It's the same as married. Married and religion. 33% though? 33%. 14% are Catholic, obviously. Catholics, the Baptists of the North. 1.26% LDS. religion 33 percent though 33 percent uh 14 percent are catholic obviously catholics the

baptists of the north uh 1.26 percent lds i'll never stop laughing at that because it's great god damn it's probably the smartest thing i've ever said that's really sad but i think it might be it might be the smartest goddamn thing i've ever said my guys. That is super sad. Super sad. Pray for my children. So speaking of prayer, 1.26% are LDS or Mormon. These fuckers like the snow. Yeah, they do. Jesus Christ. Where is it cold?

Where can we blend in? Where is the snow? That's where we'll be. Where is it? We can blend in. And skiing, I think. We need to ski. So that's what I think it is.

The Mormons need to ski. I really feel like they're just hiding. They're just hiding out in that snow. That's possible. Don't move. They won't see us. Don't move. They won't see it.

Your magic underwear will blend into the fucking snow. Kids, all of you, don't move. All of you, stay still. So 0.0% Jewish, big shocker there, and 0.0% Muslim. Sure. But there is 1% Eastern faith, so I'm assuming that's going to be your Buddhism and things like that. Hindus, I guess. Things like that.

Maybe there's a couple of Indian people there. Possibly politically, the voting in this state or in this town, 60% are Democrats, which is to be expected. It's so weird, though, that it's so affluent yet so Democrat. Well, it's just a different environment. I mean, San Francisco is super affluent. That's true. It's not. And New York, same thing. It's just fascinatingluent, yet so Democrat. Well, it's just a different environment. I mean, San Francisco is super affluent. That's true. And most liberal. It's not.

And New York, same thing. It's just fascinating how that happens. Well, yeah. Let's not even get into that. Well, let's break down the socioeconomic. It's not even. Of America and its big cities. It is way out of our scope on this one.

We're going to talk about murder in this shitty little town. It's actually not that shitty. It seems nice. It seems great already. I'm into it. It's really not that bad here. 37% Republican, about 3% independent on that. Unemployment rate is right in line with the national average.

They have negative job growth recently, which isn't very good. I don't know about jobs going up to the mountains or whatever. Household income, not bad. It's about $49,000. About 53 and a half is the national average. So they're in the range. Not terrible. Jobs here, a lot of sales, a lot of office, a lot of things like that.

Also, a lot of construction extraction, too, because you're going to have forestry and things like that up there. But not too, too – it seems very, very average. All the stats are really in line as far as jobs go and what people are doing. Even cost of living, as we say, 100 is average par. Cost of living, 97 here. So right along the line. A little higher, like health care is pretty high up there.

But they have, Vermont has their own form of universal health care, too. Do they really? Yeah, that's probably, yeah. Is that Bernie? A few of the, well, he's, yeah, yeah, he's from there, but he's a senator. He has no control over state stuff, but that's, that's, they'll, yeah, they're going to elect someone who has their values and that's their values is apparently to have more health care, but it's going to cost a little more. Housing, though, is an 80 out of 100. So not too shabby

here. When you look at the housing, median home cost is $149,000, which is 35,000 less than the average. Not terrible. And they're mostly old historic ones too, right? There's some of each because they were built – it kind of boomed a little bit with the – And was it founded in the 1700s? That's pretty kick-ass. You could probably get a really cool house there. You can probably get old farmhouses.

And they also built a lot of vacation houses and stuff like that when they put the skiing in. Sure. That sort of thing. Most of the houses are between $150,000 and $300,000. That's not awful. No. You're going to get about 55% of the houses. And if we've convinced you to move to a Norman Rockwell painting that is Burke, Vermont, we have for you the Burke, Vermont Real Estate Report.

Okay. There we go. Got that. That feels so official. It's my favorite part. It really is. We have a two-bedroom apartment that I found here. Your average two-bedroom apartment is going to be $847 a month, which is $200 less than the national average, which isn't too bad.

I found a variety of homes here for us. There's value homes like a two-bedroom, one-bath, 920 square foot, little starter house. It's a tiny house, $119,000. Tiny house, smaller price. I think that's about what I paid for my first house that was about that size. Not terrible.

That's not bad. Three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,660 square foot house. Needs a little bit of work on the inside, guys. Going to need a little bit of love. But $175,000 for that is a decent value. So it's going to need love. Flip or flop, babe. Flip or flop.

Now, if you want to move into a place that is just ready to go, all beautiful, set, ready. I want the mansion. Gorgeous. It's not even a mansion. It's just a really, really nice, clean, done house. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,850-square-foot house. Beautiful lawn. Very nice.

$340,000 for that. Not awful. It's in a nice neighborhood. So you and your family can move right in. It's tough to afford that, but if you can, get it. It's a good place to go here. Things to do. Let's just say outdoors are a lot here.

Hiking in summer, skiing in winter. That is things to do. Let's just say outdoors are a lot. Hiking in summer, skiing in winter. That is things to do in a nutshell. On the town website here, they're telling you the different seasons, what you're going to do in each different season. I particularly like spring's description here. In spring, apparently spring brings melting

snow and the aroma of maple in the air. Like we've said, maple's here. Don't miss the annual Vermont Maple Open House Weekend, which happens late March and is a great chance to tour local sugar houses, learn about the sugaring process, and of course, of course, Jimmy, enjoy some sweet samples. Of course. Get your asses up there in spring, goddammit. Yeah.

And if you are, be careful of the crime, because let's talk about it. Crime is what we're interested in here. Property crime is exactly at national average, like exactly to the T. Really? So, yeah, it's your average town there. So you'd expect, you know, violent crime to be in that same ballpark. Yeah. Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery, assault is almost 20% higher than the national

average. Goodness gracious. I don't know what's happening up there in the mountains. Sugar rush, babe. These are some angry white mountain people beating the shit out of each other, I think. And we got tons of sugar energy. Maybe that's what it is. Too much sampling of the sugaring process, I think, is the problem for them.

And they get all screwed up and all out of whack. And then they do crazy, crazy shit like these people we're going to talk about right now. Before we get to the murder quick, by the way, as some of you might have noticed, we didn't have a motto for that town. It's my favorite part. There's no motto. There's no goddamn motto. Town website, nothing. I looked all over.

All that maple, all that sugar, you got no motto that mixes that shit into it? Let's give them a motto. The sweetest town in America. The sweetest town in America. No, maybe

we'll take a few Mormons off your hands. That's good for you. Maybe that's a good one. We could use a Jew or two. Any Jews? With a picture of a guy shrugging your hands. That's good for you. Maybe that's a good one. We could use a Jew or two. Any Jews? With a picture of a guy shrugging his shoulder? Burke, Vermont.

We could use a Jew or two. Come on. What are we doing here? We got nothing. Jesus, this is terrible. And Asian, too, because we really don't have none of those either. Sprinkle something in. This is getting bad here.

Our stew's too flowery. We got way too much white. It's not working out very well. These people here, let's talk about, first of all, we'll talk about Scott Favreau. Okay. Okay. Scott Favreau is a kid that grew up, he grew up tough. Yeah.

Grows up around the Vermont area, kind of bounces around a little bit. Parents completely not available. Well, father was available, but only to sexually and physically abuse him. No. It was biological father when he was young. Horrific. So very much a lot of neglect, a lot of abuse, kind of in the hands of the system at an early age. A lot of crime because he's just left to the devices.

He's in the wind. He's in the wind. He's on the lam, this kid. Not of his own doing. he's in the wind he's on the lamb this kid uh not of his own doing he's in the lamb his parents are awful uh his mother's just not really available for himself growing up too young that's exactly what the problem is and as we see constantly whenever that happens a lot of times these kids lash out especially when they've been physically and sexually abused they'll lash out with their you know teenage crimes and thefts and things like that.

And then he's no exception. He gets in a lot of trouble, a lot of trouble with the law and with just being in the system. He's in the system so much he's bounced around to a few different kind of foster homes. Group homes and such. Group homes, foster homes. People are taking him in. I don't know what the system is like up there, but he seems to go to families. They'll take him in in the foster homes. People are taking him in. I don't know what the system is like up there, but he seems to go to families. They'll take him in in the foster system. I assume

if you're in Vermont and it's smaller, it's a little more easily manageable. You probably do a little better with the foster care system. If you're in a city with 7 million people, there's a shitload of kids that need homes. It's just the red tape and the bureaucracy of the whole thing

would be crippling. It's like at a comedy show. When you've got all these people there, it's hard to really lose because you're not really bombing per person. There's so many. When there's so few, you can almost tell a joke to each goddamn person. Yeah. But the problem is when you go wrong, then you're hated individually by each fucking yeah. Then you have to hide as they leave the showroom at that point. You have to hide out.

But with this, you can focus on each child and really give them the best care possible. That's true. And they do. They get him in a foster home. He ends up in a foster home with a family. Yeah. Now, the very nice family here. There's a woman named Vicki Campbell Beer.

Beer as in the drink. Like a beer. Yeah. B-E-E-R. B-E-E-R. Vicki hyphen Campbell hyphen Beer. Okay. Her husband is Randy Beer.

Okay. So she hyphenated to Vicki Campbell Beer. In the home, living with them, is Scott comes to live. Scott Favreau comes to live with them. And they have a daughter also, a teenage daughter at that point. And I've heard this said a few different. It's T-A-S-H-I-A. I've heard it said both ways.

So let's just call her Tasha for now. Can we just go Tasha? Want to go Tasha? Want to go simple? It's fucking easier. All right. Let's go Tasha. I'm sorry, Miss Tasha, if this offends you, if you're listening, but we're calling you

Tasha. Yeah, you won't care if you offend her. Trust me. Okay. So you won't care if you offend her with a name. Tasha, you're getting Tasha. So Tasha, Tasha, she was 13, 14 when he comes around. Sure.

And he's about 17 at the time. Right away, that's an odd dynamic. I don't want some. It's a wonderful thing. If you take foster kids into your home, it's a wonderful thing. You're a hero. You're a God. You're a saint.

You're doing what most people do not want. You have the energy to do. And a lot of times it's with somebody who's with a kid who's already been damaged. And you're going to try to fix that damage. Wow. Hats off to you, honestly. Fucking incredible. That's amazing.

But if I have a 14-year-old daughter, I don't know if I'm letting some 17-year-old nudnik in my house. It's never happening. Like that's going to be. I don't even want her dating him when she's 17. That's the thing. Yeah. And he lives somewhere else.

Right. But in the house, that seems a little excessive. I want him coming over for dinner once a month. That seems like a lot. So Vicky, Vicky Campbell Beer, she is a seventh grade teacher at Linden Town School. And she's beloved. She's like the teacher everybody loves. She's that teacher that everybody likes and all the kids love her and the parents love her.

And she's that one. So, I mean, every school has that kind of a teacher like that. The one that everybody likes. Everybody likes. And everybody, yeah, She had time for everybody. She was that type of person. I mean, she's so nice. She's letting 17-year-old kids with horrible backgrounds in her house.

It's ridiculous. She's taking kids with not just horrible backgrounds, but possibly horrible futures into her fucking house. It is. And Favreau here, Scott, had some problems. Had some problems here. Now, we're going to talk about the year 2000 in a minute here, but talking about July 1999, he has a little issue where he's charged with felony grand larceny.

I'd call that a small issue. I'd say big issue. Something. It's a thing. He's got two terrible words in that charge. It's felony and grand. And grand. Grand's a lot.

Larceny's not good either. But when you add felony to it, it gives it a little kicker. Gran is very similar to aggravated. Like, it ups the ante on something petty. You put felony on it. It's like putting hot sauce on it, though. Absolutely. You're really, you're spicing it up here.

It's got some stank on it. He apparently stole a motorcycle. Oh, Jesus. He steals a motorcycle, which seems to, that's also seems like a dumb shit teenager thing to do. He steals a motorcycle. It's probably a dirt bike he's riding around ripping up the trails in vermont somewhere i don't know something with a kickstart because that's what i mean he's 17 he's not taking time

to hotwire you didn't take somebody's chopper i don't think i think i think he took a suzuki yeah that takes the you know the weird oil you have to mix with gas you know what i mean the gas you gotta mix a two-stroke dirt bike or something. I feel like he took something like that. But it smelled amazing running down the road. That smell is incredible. In September of 99, that's great. Jimmy's having dirt bike memories. Jimmy's having white trash flashbacks.

Yes. The smell of burning two-stroke engine. Oh, God. I've got one in my garage. Is that embarrassing? No. No, not at all. Not embarrassing at all. The fact that you like the smell of the two-stroke, that's actually not embarrassing. It's desert air

because it's all dry and that stuff's kind of thick. It does have a neat smell to it. It's in the back of your throat and you can almost taste it. I'm not going to ding you for that. That's fair. That's fair. So in September of 99, he pleads no contest to that. So he's just,, he pleads no contest to that. So he's just, that's a deal to get nothing to, let's get this kid the hell out of the court.

Let's erase this and just go on our way. Moving on, he's given a three-year deferred sentence, which that's something, though. That puts it on the books. Yeah, you do something else, you never know what's going to happen. He's going to go back for three years. It's possible. It could happen. They're going to bring that three years into question for sure.

That's why they stuck that felony on there so they had a little extra bargaining power. And we're going to keep tracking it for a while with felony on your record. That's the other thing. That's not good. And 100 hours of community service. Ouch. So he's got to go, I don't know, extract the maple. Or go bullshit somebody into just saying he was here for 100 hours.

Yeah, something he's got to go sweep somewhere. I don't know what the hell he's doing. But he's got to do 100 hours of community service. Or you go put on a comedy show for somebody that benefits them financially and that washes your fucking – I've seen that happen because comics are dick bags. Yeah, comics are awful people that will do the absolute least imaginable. That's the thing. We had somebody – quick, quick sidebar here. We had somebody – I got a tweet on Facebook.

Somebody said, you know, you guys do, like the research you do is a lot. Like it's kind of daunting, blah, blah, blah. Like why do you do that? Why do you take it so far with stuff? Because they were talking about crime and sports in this too. And my answer is because we're supposed to be lazy. That's why. Comics are lazy people.

That's why they're comedians. Exactly. Yeah, it's hard to do that because you can't do it to go on stage and tell jokes but if you're good at it it's not that hard it's super fucking easy and it's actually kind of fun right and so they do that and that's that's the least they could possibly do in life to get by is to go somewhere and tell jokes for a certain amount of time and i so with podcasts they'll do the same thing they will do the least imaginable to get by. And I figure if we just do not the least imaginable, we're going to stand out like crazy.

It's got to. We're going to be superstars in that region. And it's worked so far. Not that we're superstars, but people don't hate us and we're trying our best. But we're trying not to be lazy. That's the answer here. There you go. January of 2000, he has some more problems here.

He's a troubled kid, and this could be predicted. This is if you sat with this kid when he was 12, you'd probably go, well, he's probably going to steal some shit. He's going to do some things. He's going to have problems with the law. There's going to be some dishonesty here and there. There's going to be some issues through his teen years, we'll say. He's charged in January with burglary, petty larceny, and unlawful trespass. And this is now just five months later.

This is five months later. Unbelievable. Which seems like a tough thing because he has a three-year deferred sentence for stealing shit. So it's not even like it's a different crime. You can go, well, it's apples and oranges. This is exactly what he did before. This idiot didn't learn his lesson. Although this is kind of worse because that's just stealing a motorcycle.

This is— Burgl motorcycle. This is... Burglary. This is in somebody's domicile. Well, not somebody's, but he and several other guys, several other kids his age, friends or whatever, stole some keys to the school, to the Adams School in St. Johnsbury. They stole some keys and they broke in, kind of trashed the place a little bit, as kids do. A little bit of vandalization. But the main thing was they broke into the nurse's office and stole prescription medication.

What? They stole a bunch of Ritalin and a bunch of other prescription medication. Because kids who have to take pills at school, they're kept in a locked thing at the nurse's station. And they knew that because I'm sure half these kids are on medication. They have problems, too, especially him. He's probably antipsychotic or something. So they break in and they steal the drugs. So now we're talking about that's escalation from I'm stealing a motorcycle going away

to I'm going to break into somewhere to specifically steal something I want. By the way, drugs, too. It's not even like I really, really need a pasta maker, and I'm going to bust into that house and take it. I want to make some fettuccine tomorrow. That's not what happened. I need one of those schoolyard paper shredders, that one with the big arm on it. Yeah, no, no, no.

And that's not what they take. They take drugs. I need a protractor. Yeah, I need a protractor. That's what I need. I need to draw a perfect circle, and I need to do it now. This is insane. No, they were probably on the back of a toilet bowl crushing this shit up and snorting it

15 minutes later. Off the little boy's urinal in the bathroom. Yeah, yeah. For this, he pleads innocent to this. He pleads not guilty to this. And he's released on conditions is all I could ever get out of this. I don't know what those conditions are. Probably not to go back to that school and steal more drugs.

That would be- That's condition one. That's the condition I would put on it, probably. So tell you what, buddy. Yeah. Number one thing... Cop up the keys and stay the fuck out of there. Number one thing you need to do here.

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You will not be sorry. And now back to the show. So he's living at the house with the Campbell beer and beer and young Tasha. Fuck you. Yeah, Tasha. You're getting Tasha. For sure, Tasha Campbell. It's Tasha Campbell. It's Tasha. Fuck you. Yeah, Tasha. You're getting Tasha. For sure, Tasha Campbell. It's Tasha Campbell.

It's Tasha Beer, actually. Tasha is Randy's daughter, not Vicky's. It has nothing to do with Vicky. None of these kids are Vicky's. Vicky has no children in this game. Wow. She's got, she's just, your daughter, great. Let's bring in another one, fantastic.

Some other kid, too. Doing, I mean, she's a nice person. Really? She's doing stuff she doesn't have to do. No. Legally, she doesn't have to do it. God, too. Doing, I mean, she's a nice person. Really? She's doing stuff she doesn't have to do. No. Legally, she doesn't have to do it. God, no.

No. And it's weird because she has, there's no, like, there's never any, like, there's no, Tasha doesn't hate her. You know what I mean? Tasha doesn't go to her father and say, why'd you marry her? I hate her. There's like, there's no, there's none of, there's no acrimony. There's no, there's no. It's a good word. Yeah, it is. It's a great one. There's like, there's no, there's none of, there's no acrimony. There's no, there's no word. Yeah, it's not bad. There's no, there's no issues. So I mean, no issues that we've just gone with tension. Well, that works too. Cause I'm a lazy comic.

There's no tension in the house. There's no turmoil. There's no problems. It's just, she's a good person. I'm just tired in words. I have stored in the back of my brain, start falling out and I'm really tired and I haven't slept all night. There's no problems. Like we say, there's no problems that we know of. Who the hell knows what goes on inside a house, what goes on inside a marriage, but by all accounts of family, friends,

there's never any domestic situations. The police aren't going to their house. We've had a bunch of these where it's like constantly calls. Yeah, nobody knew. No one knew what was going on inside, but they'd be like, oh boy, the cops are there again. There was constant issues, things like that. There's faxes going to the fucking police department. Yeah, God, Jesus.

Faxes just showing up. Her tits are always out. Always out. Go check out Epping, New Hampshire a few episodes ago. But Vicky's not like that. Vicky's not like that. She's just a nice person doing her thing. One morning in February, I mean, there's no hint of problems with everybody. Randy's happy.

Randy's and Vicky's happy. The kids seem, I guess, reasonably happy, as happy as you can be when you're getting arrested every couple months, and as happy as you can be as a 14-year-old girl, which I don't think is possible. No. I don't think any 14-year-old girl has ever been happy. No. That's the most-

My other seven, she's already angry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's going to be like that for the rest of her life. I know. Well any 14-year-old girl has ever been happy. No. That's the most. My other seven, she's already angry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's going to be like that for the rest of her life. I know. Well, maybe. Who knows? We'll see what happens later. But at least through the routine years.

Yeah. And boys, too. God. The good thing is, boys are stupid until they're like, I don't know, 33. So, you know what I mean? They don't even know. They're just so dumb. You can treat them so different.

It's great. It's just, what can I put my dick in? That's all the boy thinks about for 33 years. Well, yeah. Well, from the time they're 12 on, before that, they're like, what can I jump on? Right. What can I jump off of? Off of, right.

And onto other shit. That's all they're thinking of. Where is the top rope that I can plan on? What can I jump on? That's all it is. What can I jump off of? That's brilliant. Onto what? Where is there? Is there a giant pillow I can use? What can I do off of? That's all it is. What can I jump off of? That's brilliant. Onto what?

Where is there? Is there a giant pillow I can use? What can I do to break my fall? And then a few years later, can I put my dick in this pillow? That's the thing. A few years later, I'm going to jump onto that pillow and then I'm going to put my dick in it. That's what I'm going to do. That's how we're working this thing.

I like it. So one morning, February 16th, 2000, everything is normal. Early morning, 8 o'clock in the morning, everybody's in the house doing their things, getting ready to leave school and various issues. Vicki Campbell Beer is at the kitchen table grading papers for school that day. Working overtime. Working overtime, just sitting at the desk or sitting at the kitchen table, happy as can be. As a morning coffee. What is more nice than that?

She's going to go to work so she can take care of the kids and do a great job and be a nice person. Everything is great. And for seemingly no reason, out of nowhere, Scott Favreau with a.22 rifle shoots her in the back of the head at the kitchen table. Out of nowhere. This got crazy fast. Very fast. Wow. Out of nowhere. This got crazy fast. Very fast. Wow. Out of nowhere.

He just walks in with a rifle. 22 rifle. Wow. One shot. Back of the head. Fuck. Instantly dead. Immediately falls down dead on the table.

That's it. Now, Randy, the father, as you might imagine, would probably be upset about this. He's in the basement doing something. He hears the gunshot, runs up the stairs, but they lock him in the basement. Okay. He's locked in the basement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the basement door is locked.

Scott ran over, locked the basement door. It was locked from the outside, from whatever, to the outside of the house, so he couldn't get out. He's trapped in the damn basement. He's just banging on doors. He's banging on doors. So what Scott does, Scott grabs Vicky's Red Azuzu Rodeo, her car. Killing it. And grabs Tasha.

Yeah. They hop in the car. Oh, shit. So, yeah. Now he's got an accomplice or a kidnap. Takes her, hop in the car, and speed away. Okay. He's locked in the basement.

Eventually, Randy breaks through the door and gets out or busts through the locker, whatever he does. I assume if you're screaming for your wife and you heard a gunshot and people scared, Eventually, Randy breaks through the door and gets out or busts through the locker or whatever he does. I assume if you're screaming for your wife and you heard a gunshot and people scared, you probably can get through a door if you need to at that point. And he's in the basement where likely all his fucking tools are. I was going to say, he's got tools and he's got things down there. He's probably got a gun down there. He's got things to do. Yeah, if there's one gun in the house, it's Vermont.

At minimum, he's got a shovel. It's Vermont. I'm sure there's animals you need to have a couple of rifles around the house. He's got some sort of maple syrup extracting tools down there. Yes, he's got that. You can pick locks with those. That's Vermont. Some sort of hand drill.

Vermont, that's the thing about Vermont. You've got to watch out because they'll break into your house. Those are maple syrup extractors, boy. They'll pop a lock right off. They'll open everything. It's famous for it. It's famous for it. Vermont lock picker.

If this was a cartoon, that's exactly what would be happening. That is, yeah. He'd be extracting all the locking mechanism out of that door with that thing. You know it, man. So Randy busts out of the basement, obviously, and calls police and says, my foster son, Scott, just shot my wife. Don't know why. Don't know what the hell's going on, but they're gone. They took my wife's red Isuzu, apparently, so you might want to look for that. Yeah obviously and in a small town. I don't know how many red

Isuzu rodeos there are driving around. Probably not a ton with a couple of teenagers in it. Detective Dante Aniseli who's the investigating officer he's the principal in this whole case. There's a country song about a little red rodeo that's playing in my head right now. Are they talking about an Isuzu? Are they really?

It's a Pat Green song. What the fuck wrote a song about an Isuzu rodeo that's playing in my head right now. Are they talking about an Isuzu? Are they really? It's a Pat Green song. Who the fuck wrote a song about an Isuzu rodeo? You know what? When you start writing songs about mediocre sport utility vehicles, fucking that's enough. You know what I mean? Economy of sport utility vehicles. You hit

your ceiling on what you have to talk about. You have no more shit to talk about at that point. Stop already. You wrote it for somebody else, though. I think it was Gary Allen that sang it. Wait a second. That's worse, okay? If you sing your own stupid song about a

fucking shitty mediocre sport utility... He wrote a shitty car song for somebody else. This guy wrote it, gave it to someone else, and this guy went, yeah! Me too! I thought the same thing! It's amazing. Holy shit. Wow.

This is for me? Holy shit. Let me get out there on that studio. This is going to be a hit. I can see it now. Wow. I better call my agent. This is going to be big. Me too. Get the publicist involved. It's going to be mainstream. I'm going to be the. Me too. Get the publicist involved. It's going to be mainstream.

I'm going to be the next achy, breaky heart over here for this shit. That's a big song. I swear to God it is. Is it really? I know nothing about country music whatsoever. It's probably 10 years old or more, but it was a big song. It was all over radio. How?

Some bitch still plays it at concerts. What happened to country music? Sidebar. Sorry, Vicky Campbell Deere, you're dead on the kitchen table and we apologize for that. This has nothing to do with you. What the fuck happened to country music? Surprise, surprise. A girl left him in that car.

That's the story. It has nothing to do with the car. Write about the girl and how you feel about her. She's in that car. That's the story. But it has nothing to do with the car. Write about the girl and how you feel about her. She's in that car. That car means everything to him. Oh, Jesus Christ. What, are you kidding me? No, it doesn't mean everything to him.

He's looking around for that fucking car like these cops are. His priorities are misplaced. Let's just say that. Country music used to be about- My favorite part about this whole thing is you go, wait. Me too. Yeah, you too with the rodeo. Both of us?

Really? How'd you know? How'd you know to bring this to me? Oh my God, that hurts so bad. Did the guy bring it to like 50 other people first and they were like, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm not singing about a shitty car. No, man.

It's pickup trucks. Don't you know it's pickup trucks? It's not even an American car. But he finally runs it down to Gary Allen that goes, me too. Wow. Just motioning eyes right here. We're right here. I see you, man. I see you.

Jesus Christ. Oh my God, that's so funny. What the hell happened to country music? It used to be like about heartache and about this and that. I don't know, like 50s, 60s, 70s. How sad would you be if you were dating a and about this and that. I don't know. Like the 50s, 60s, 70s. How sad would you be if you were dating a girl driving a rodeo? I don't think I would consider the car.

I really don't. I don't think that part would enter my mind. Not talking about when we spent time together or we did this. Her car. Not even her car. Her shitty economy SUV that you can't even fit four people in. No.

Because it's too tiny. It's three at best. Oh, that's terrible. That is so bad. Oh, God, I'm in so much pain. I never thought about it like that before. Oh, man. I used to dig that song.

Sorry. So now that's in my head for the rest of this story. All right. Well, that's what's going on. So they're looking for that car. They're speeding through it. Dante Anicelli, he's the principal guy here, principal detective. He is told from dispatch that Randy had called and said that not only are they looking for a suspect who probably shot a woman and has taken a car now,

but also all this Dante Anicelli knows is that the shooter also has taken a child, too. So they're like, they don't know. It could be a five-year-old. They have no idea. So they're like, OK, now we really got to find this car. Is this pre-Amber Alert? This is 2000. So, God, that is right on the cusp.

I think that's pre-Amber Alert. I think it's just before it. So there's not just like a bulletin that goes out and they're like, all right, she's 14. They just know that it's a kid. They just know that it's a kid. They're just told there's a child and who knows through the grapevine. And also, I don't know what the – there's not really freeways to put like a sign on the overpass. There's likely only one fucking freeway in this area.

Yeah, there's not a lot of freeways back east or toll roads. Oh, is that what it is? Back east, you pay tolls for that shit. Fuck that. No freeways. What a nightmare. Well, yeah, it sucks. I would like to go here.

I saw you just think about that. Well, no, well, yep, you're right. It sucks. Yeah, it sucks. I'd like to go here. How much cash do I have? Yeah. It's like, shit, I can't afford it.

Do I have enough to get home? I can't afford it because that's the other problem. My payment's paid. My insurance is up to date. I'm stuck here. I've got license plates on my car. I can't cross that river. I can't do it.

I don't have 37 cents in my pocket. If you're on the other side, we have gone back to free boats. If you're on the other, we're on the Oregon Trail now. We're going, do I hire an Indian to help? What do I do? Try to float across? Is that what I do? This is great.

My God. So shortly after he hears about this Dante Anicelli, he's the one, Detective Anicelli, who actually sees the vehicle. He sees two passengers in the car. He follows the car gingerly and calls for backup because he doesn't want to chase these people by himself. Another officer at this point sees the vehicle. It's on South Main Street in St. Johnsbury, and they start chasing him. Sure.

Okay. They start chasing the vehicle. At like 40 miles an hour. Yeah, no, Favreau took off. Oh, did he? He went around a police cruiser. They set up a police cruiser to block the on-ramp to Interstate 91. Yeah, there you go.

And, yeah, there's the umbrella right there. And he went around that and zipped up the I-91 and led them on a 30-mile chase. Jesus. So he took off, and they were chasing him, too. Wow. This was kind of pre when they just went, well, we'll just watch them. This was like, we're not letting that OJ shit happen again. Catch that motherfucker.

So it was one of those. So eventually, 30 miles down the road here, state troopers, police set up a roadblock, a better one this time. You can't just drive around. Nice roadblock, by the way. If your roadblock leaves enough space for a car to get around it, not even a car, an Isuzu Rodeo, a country song fame, a car of country song fame, you're not doing a good job.

Someone, he got yelled at for that. I'm sure he did. Who blocked the road? Jesus Christ, Johnson. What the hell, Johnson? Who taught you how to block a fucking road? God damn it. It's four lanes, man. Come on, Johnson. What the hell, Johnson? Who taught you how to block a fucking road? God damn it. It's four lanes, man. Come on, man.

It's a tiny car. What do you want me to do? I got a Caprice. I got two lanes, sir. I tried my best. He went through the HOV lane. So finally, in Bradford, the town of Bradford, there's state troopers from that barracks that set up the road block, and finally, Scott pulls the roadblock. And finally,

Scott pulls the SUV over, doesn't crash or doesn't do anything crazy like that. He doesn't bust out and try to run through the woods or any crazy shit like that. In the car was Tasha Beer, 14. They obviously gathered them both up. The police said that once he pulled over, he obeyed all the orders by the troopers. He wasn't crazy after that, didn't try to take a swing at anybody or anything like that. There was approximately 20 cops at the roadblock. So a 17-year-old kid sees 20 cops at a roadblock with at least 15 police vehicles with sirens and lights. And he looks at his rifle and goes, 10 shots.

Oh, not to mention all the officers are lined up with their guns pointing at him as he drives up. 20 officers with 15 rounds apiece. Your 10 rounds of.22 caliber ain't doing shit. It's a real Smokey and the Bandit situation, and there's no jump set up to go over everything. So he's not going to Duke Boy the action at all. That's not going to happen. So he's screwed. He pulls over.

Obviously, the cops ordered them both out of the car and down to the ground because they don't know what's going on or the situation. He gets out of the car. Scott gets out of the car. But Tasha doesn't get out. She doesn't budge. She doesn't budge. And they tell her to get out again, and she still doesn't budge. Instead, she says, me?

Why me? You're talking about me? Yeah. We've got to get everybody out of the car. How's that? We'll do that. No, no. He shot her, not me.

I'm going to stay right here. I'm cool in here. I'm going to drive this back home here in a minute. You guys take him. She's sitting there like, he's just going to use the bathroom real quick and then we're going to get back on the road. Who, me? He's just peeing in the woods.

Me? Who? Me too. Who, me? Who, me? So, who, me? Why me? What a dumb girl.

Why me, she says. And so they said, get the fuck out of the car and get down to the ground. So she does. She gets down on the ground. They handcuff both of them. They had them both on the ground, patted them down for weapons. That only took a couple minutes, so they're not doing too much here. At that point, they place her in the custody of the Vermont Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services to see what's going on.

Just since your mom's brains are on the table and we don't know what's up at home, let's stick you over here for a minute. Maybe you stay over here with these nice people. Let's just stay there for a second. Also, too, maybe they'll help pull some information out of your head. Yeah, see what the hell's going on here. The police said at the time, quote, she's not considered a suspect at this time. They said she was present at the scene.

There could be charges brought. We don't know what's going on that's up to the state attorney so they uh he said that she was not kidnapped though that is very important the police official said she's not kidnapped uh he said the investigation is continuing and we don't know where that will lead us okay so it's at this point it's just this crazy mystery of what the fuck happened why is she with him why is she with him? Why is she with him? Why did he shoot her? What is going on here? Right.

Now, he does make a statement at the roadblock. Okay. At the roadblock, immediately upon being taken out of the car, before she's even out of the car, he says, quote, it was all me. She had nothing to do with it. Right away, that's suspicious right there. It's a weird thing to say. Yeah. Why would you think that she would have something to do with it?

We didn't think that in the first place, fuck's yeah that's we thought you kidnapped her yeah she's a child we thought you kidnapped her i don't know you seem like kind of an asshole you have a record and you just shot a lady in the head she's not a felon you are we figure you're the one that shot her kind of yeah no shit uh she was not questioned when they took her on the ride back to to the police station to go to social services. But she did volunteer a statement. She said, quote, who called? I bet it was my dad. I was like, well, no shit.

Who the fuck else do you think? Who else do you think? The guy you locked in the basement when your foster brother shot his wife? Yeah, maybe he called. What do you think? Who the hell else do you think would call? God, man. I guess, you know what, though?

It's funny because that is kind of uh she's 14 so i'm saying this like what an idiot but she's 14 so that's stupid shit that a 14 year old would say yeah who called i bet it was my dad i said i said stuff right on par with that when i was 14 too just dumb uh just stupid shit that is all it does is lead to more questions that's it every answer goes, now I have three more questions, you idiot. Why did you do that? That's exactly it here. So they keep her. They still don't know what's going on.

They put her in a room with a uniformed officer outside and they go, all right, let's just stick her in there for now. She's an idiot and whatever. We've got to sort this shit out and go deal with this other moron here. Originally, the police officer in charge of the scene at the roadblock thought that she had been a hostage at the time when they first, they said he's got, that was the original thing the police were saying is there's a suspect approaching, he just shot a woman, he's got a child hostage in the car.

So yeah, you have your guns out and all that sort of thing here. Late that night, Caledonia County State Attorney Dale Gray announces that he will be charging Favreau as an adult. He's 17 with first-degree murder. So that's a juicy one. That's steep. That's 17 for it's not stealing a dirt bike anymore. We're not doing that shit. Now, Favreau, for her part, for his part, Scott Favreau here, the Lady Scott for his statement,

finally, because they know how to talk to people in homicide. That's kind of what they do. And you get a 17-year-old kid, you can probably manipulate him a little bit as we've seen. Everybody's seen Making a Murderer and Brendan Dassey. You could have had Dassey admitted he shot JFK, and he would have been like, I shot him, and I don't know why.

I just did it. And yeah. If Steven was there, too. He wasn't even alive when Dahmer did what he did. No. He would have admitted to it. He would have admitted to eating all of those boys. I like dicks in my fridge. I don't know.

They are tasty. They're tasty. So, Favreau. I like to put them on my fingers. I eat them like bugles. They're delicious. Like bugles. I bite the tips off of them.

Like we did. That was so sad. We were actually eating bugles off our fingers when we went to South by Southwest. We were like, fuck it. Let's be idiots. Let's eat bugles off our fingers like morons. And Brendan Dassey would have admitted to eating penises that way. Absolutely.

Yeah, he would have. They're delicious. They're delicious. You dip them in ranch. I can do a dumb Dassey so well. I use Yeah, he would have. They're delicious. They're delicious. You dip them in ranch. I can do a dumb-dassy so well. I use them to stir my drinks. Put it on my finger and stir. It's good for us to eliminate.

I pretend I'm Bill Cosby. Let's find out what Favreau's logic is in this whole scenario here he says about the whole thing after they finally break him down he says quote well she kept bugging me about killing her about killing vicky uh he said i told her yeah i do it just to get her off my back what in the shit kind of statement is that tasha yeah wanted her dead okay tasha wanted vicky dead the whole time this is this is tasha's idea what the f tasha said hmm this guy here he seems like a guy who could shoot my mom in the head he's trouble hey he looks like trouble see she saw him on that dirt bike smoking a cigarette like the kid from bad news bears and she was like smoking that oil off the fucking

exhaust pipe he's gonna do it see that's my murderer that's my guy i feel she was like... Smoking that oil off the fucking exhaust pipe. He's going to do it, see? That's my murderer. That's my guy. I feel she talks like a 40s girl. Like a 40s business... Going to kill my mom, see? Going to kill my mom, see? Like a 40s working woman. Working woman.

Flipping a quarter. Flipping a quarter. Listen, see? You're going to kill my mom. Ah, this is great. So apparently, yeah, she told him... She's not just told him,

actually just constantly harped on him that comes out for basically the whole time she's known him. Yeah. Please kill my mom. Right. Or my stepmom. Please kill her. Please kill her.

Doesn't really, we don't really know why. I guess just because she's a fucked up person that doesn't like having a new stepmother. She passes him in the hall as he's going to brush his teeth. She's like, is she dead yet? That's what it was. Apparently, it's to the point where he was just like, fine. I'll do it. I'll shoot her.

Leave me alone. Where's the damn gun already? God, how much nagging do you have to do to somebody before they're like, fine, I'll shoot her in the head. You've been married. Wouldn't take much. It wouldn't take too long. Yeah, that nice lady who took me in and who everyone loves and takes care of kids

and is currently sitting at the table in the morning eating her special K with strawberries in it, creating school children's papers. Not even bananas. She puts, for sure, strawberries in there because they're good. Yeah, they're good for you. Antioxidants, right. And not to mention, what about those kids? They never got those tests back.

No, they didn't. Definitely not. And now they're ruined. No, that is... There's shit all over them. That is much worse than a scratch never got those tests back. No, they didn't. Definitely not. And now they're ruined. No, that is... There's shit all over them. That is much worse than a scratch and sniff sticker on there. Oh, fuck. That is terrible, man.

That's not a good star. No, that is fucking awful and horrible. That's horrible. Ah, man. I almost said terrific. It is not terrific. No, it's not terrific. It is horrific.

I feel bad for those kids at the school, too. Not only for her husband and everything, but if you're a beloved teacher like that, I don't know, that would screw a kid up, I would think. Yeah, the good one? That's not good at all. Your teacher's like, I don't know, man. Your teacher, when you're little, they're kind of like another

surrogate. An extension of your parent? Yeah, like a surrogate, like an aunt kind of thing. That would just be weird, I would think, as a kid. I never had that happen, but it's very strange. And especially if you like them. Yeah. It would be traumatic, I think, for kids. My third grade teacher was fucking weird, and I wouldn't have even thought twice, probably.

Well, I would have in third grade. I probably would have thought twice. I'd be like, damn, she's dead, what? I had a gym teacher in elementary school, ended up getting kicked out of teaching for molesting kids. That's different. He could have gotten killed. That's a bit different. He used to spank the kids.

What the shit? He used to give birthday spankings. No, birthday spankings. I swear to Christ, and this is a fucking fact. Happy birthday. What a lucky day. Mine was in mid-June, and I never got, I never. Summer fucking birthday.

But the kids, he'd go, come on up here, And the kids would go lie across his lap there. No! And he would give them the amount of spankings of their age and then one for good luck. You bet. I swear to God. And one for me to tug two later. What a dirtbag. This fucking happened. It was horrible. Oh my God. Yeah. And then later on it turned out it was a friend of mine

in high school. It turned out it was his uncle. Oh my God. And he's like, yeah, my uncle's a scumbag. And he got, you know, this happened. Hey, remember that guy that. And he's like, yeah, my uncle's a scumbag. And he got, you know, this happened. Remember that guy that you used to be around all the time? He's a scumbag. And I went, wait a second. That's your uncle? He used to give birthday spank.

He's like, yeah, that's why he's not a teacher anymore. And I was like, holy shit. And then that kid died of a heroin overdose. And he did. So it's a very tragic family. Tragic family. A lot of people dying of heroin overdoses back home. But that's enough of that.

So back in the community uh people are devastated devastated where she teaches uh the linden uh town school sure now she taught seventh grade i'm sorry i thought it was fifth grade for some reason even so seventh grade is still the kids are 12 yeah that's not they're not very old 13 like that's enough to to you have you have actual you've noticed things about her that are specific to her. She stands out to these kids. And they told the kids, they made an announcement

during the day at school about it because she wasn't there and it was spreading. The kids would have known when they got home from school and it was, you know. So they actually allowed the kids who wanted to leave to leave. Kids that were kind of having a little meltdown there. They had a little meltdown there. They had a big vigil out there afterwards.

Parents, dozens of parents and students gathered at the school just to kind of talk about it with the kids, to kind of have like an open discussion, which honestly, that is some very... I can't, it's hard, but that's... It's such a serious discussion to have with a kid that age. That's amazing, though, that they they act. This is like a small town. They're such a small.

I mean, if this happened where you are or where I am or my kids go to school, like, oh, shit, that happened. And everybody go. But this is such a small town. The same day they organize. Let's all get together and talk to the kids about it. And everybody goes like that. That's that's that's like what small towns are supposed to be, you know. So that's good. There's support anyway's that's a that's like what small towns are supposed to be you know so that's good there's support anyway that's a good thing uh the principal mary ellen

royce said quote the tragedy that occurred today is incomprehensible it affects all of our community uh we've lost to we've lost today a mother a four a foster mother a wife a teacher and a friend they all liked her uh they had a big banner where the kids wrote things about her and did all that. And they had a picture. They kind of had their own little service at the school. And then they said the next day they weren't going to hold any classes. They were going to have the clothes. Snow day.

Snow day. But they would open it. They'd keep the school open for counselors to be there and have students and whatever if they want to come in and talk to counselors. A grief day, exactly. They brought in a state police death trauma specialist to talk to the kids and all that sort of thing. This is the next day. Yeah. Like, the response to this is—

That's incredible. —as a community is really amazing. Like, this is a good little community, I have to say. But, yeah, these people are obviously— It's terrible. They have to do that. It's horrific. I can't imagine.

Oh, it's horrific. We just had a teacher here in Arizona die and nobody's heard shit about it. I mean, we you hear it covered on the news. Yeah. But nobody. Yeah. Nobody talks about how the school's doing. No, that's the thing.

And these people because I mean, it's a small there's not a million schools. I mean, it's it's a small town. And yeah, they were all they were talking about the poor Randy had to, you know, they were they were they had a grief counselor for Randy Beer to leave the barracks. This whole thing is just a mess here. And now, too, he's got to deal with the fact that he doesn't know. Now he's being told that his daughter is the one that made this happen. He just lost everything.

He just lost his whole life. Everybody in his house is now gone. Everybody that matters to him. One's dead. The other two are going to jail. And it's just him in the house now. It's him sitting there. Everything is fine.

And he's got to go sit in the house where she was just murdered. And it's his daughter. How much guilt would you feel about that? I can't imagine. I mean, it'd be horrible if her daughter did it to her. But if your daughter did it, you'd feel like, oh, fuck Jesus. The superintendent said, quote, it's a terrible blow to the school community. Other people who've just lost

a wonderful teacher and a tremendous person. She's a good friend. I mean, it's just it goes on and on. There's quotes till we could sit here for three days doing quotes about how great she was and she helped me with this. And one time when I needed this, she was, it's ridiculous. There's a thousand people in this town and all 1,000. They all know her. 1,700, was it?

1,700. They all think she's a saint. They all have a story about her. That she's a saint. There's 1,698, obviously, that have a great story about her. The other two are just assholes. Absolutely. So now they sit down.

It's Detective Anaselli and Detective Sergeant Martin Hatch. They sit down to interview with Tasha and try to figure out what's going on. They intend it to be informal and conversational is what they say rather than like an interrogation type of deal. They just want to kind of see where she's at and if his statements might be kind of – they want to gauge her is what they're doing here. See what conflicts. But they also think that it's not necessary to advise her of her Miranda rights or secure the presence of an attorney or an adult because you can't just question 14 year olds with no adults present or anything like that. So, but they, they say, uh, she's considered a material witness at this point, not a suspect.

Okay. I guess you can do that. Yeah. But this is after he's made a statement saying that she's a, so at that point they're suspicious. He's already said she did it. All right. That's a problem. Yeah.

You can't, that's, that's a really a gray area right there. And when you're dealing with a minor, it gets even grayer because now you're doing that and she doesn't have an adult present and blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's get an adult. Let's get a lawyer and let's Mirandize this girl. That's what we should be doing. Yeah. They did a pre-interview at 10 a.m. This is two hours after this poor woman was shot in her own kitchen here.

They did not tape record it for some reason on this one, which I don't like that at all. Bad idea. Always tape record. They did take notes, which whatever. They took off her handcuffs. They gave her food and drink and asked her if she wanted to go to the bathroom. It's that scene in The Wire, you know, when they have a suspect in and they really want to get to know him and they're trying to get him to flip on somebody else.

Sure. They're like, hey, what do you want, pal? Can we get you some McDonald's? It's that scene, Jimmy, that you would never see because you don't watch the show. But that's fine. So anyway, they do that with her. They let her go to the bathroom. They're not in uniform, but they did have, because they're detectives, but they did have

their guns on them. So it's not like she thought they were social workers or something. She knew they were cops. Also, too, they just put her into the back of a police car and took her to a police station. With handcuffs on. She should be very well aware what the profession of these men are. Yeah, and she's in a 10 by

15 foot room with a desk in it with a cop sitting on the other side of it. Sounds like an interrogation room. That seems like an interrogation. All of this sounds like an interrogation, does it not? To me, I mean, that's how they just talk to witnesses, too, but still. She's never seen 2020 or Dateline, apparently. No, and the way they do it, she's a 14-year-old girl, so she's not savvy to this whole thing.

One cop, Pierre Anicelli, sits across the desk four or five feet away, and then the other sergeant sits next to her three feet away. So he's on the other side. Well, also, too, you feel there's the doors closed. You're boxed in. You're very trapped at that point. And for a kid, too, that would be, you know, daunting, I would think. But they said she was calm and collected. No signs that she was unable to understand what's going on, because obviously she's not. She has no diminished intelligence or anything like that. intelligence or anything like that. They told her that they thought she was a witness to Vicky's murder and they needed her to provide information and, quote, clarify some events that happened.

They said she seemed willing to talk. They told her that they just needed her because they wanted to get some information to, quote, piece together what had happened. That's all. So she's thinking she's getting away with it right now, too. She's like, shit, this is sweet. We just need a timeline and you can go home. This is sweet, which is exactly what they're trying to do, which would be fine with an adult.

But even at that point, if you thought they're a suspect, as soon as a suspect is not, as soon as a witness is even slightly a suspect, they have to be Miranda. Sure. That's all there is to it. Like, even if, do it just to be safe. If you want this case, if you want your case to win, if you want her to go to jail or have any punishment for this, you better start thinking. Problem is, if they're just talking to her as like this girl whose stepmom got shot and oh, what happened here? It's a lot

easier once you get, let's get Miranda into this. Then she needs a lawyer. She needs an adult present. She knows that she's a suspect. She knows she's a suspect and there's going to be a lawyer saying, don't tell them anything and you can't trick her. And it's a totally different thing. So what they're doing is trying to figure out what happened in a very gray area of legality here.

They said that during the interview, she basically had an uninterrupted narrative. She told the whole thing. They asked follow-up questions. They asked if Scott had brought up killing Vicky before and was this a planned thing? And he talked about all this. They also asked her hey how come your fingerprints are on the murder weapon that's an issue that's a little strange here

then they after all this they they started recording at about 11am they actually started recording and they basically did the whole thing again and again they offered her food and drink and let her use the restroom it was like let's do this all again they did like a they did a little rehearsal you know what I mean they were like let's do this all again. They did a little rehearsal.

You know what I mean? They were like, let's do one for blocking. And then they did that. And they were like, OK, let's go live now. Let's shoot this puppy. Let's roll him. So they said she was upbeat. At about 4 o'clock PM, Randy arrives at the barracks, the father.

If you're ever afraid, if there's ever a time when you'd be afraid of your dad being pissed, you didn't scratch the car. No, no, no. You you know what i mean you didn't put a hole in the drywall you scratched mom's brain all over the living room shot his wife in the head right at the kitchen table right you didn't even do it outside you ruined the fucking house on top of everything it's where we sit and talk about our fucking day together over a plate of green beans and chicken talk about that day and that's where yeah And that's where you left mom forever. So he arrives at four. He tells the police that he does not want her at home.

No. He says, don't bring her back to me because he doesn't know what's going on. He told the cops not to bring her back. He told her he didn't want her to return home. So they got an emergency detention order and saying that the child is in need of care and supervision. And that goes to social services. She's turned over about $6.45 to social services that evening.

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Family court issues what's called a flexible order for placement. It's at Woodside Juvenile Rehabilitation Center. And then they're going to go over that in a couple of days just to make sure that's OK. It's operated by social services. During the process of this court hearing, she stipulated that she's a material witness is what they told her. And they agreed on conditions of her release to come back to be a witness. Basically, she posted a $10,000 appearance bond. But if her dad doesn't even want her home, there's nobody to post any $10,000 appearance bonds. Nobody posts anything.

She's stuck there. While in there, she had several. By the way, her narrative and things like that a few of these things are are not available because she was 14 okay there was tons of court proceedings about what can be public and what is what is closed and what is sealed and all of this shit and some of it's open and some of it's sealed and some of it's it's ridiculous she's a minor they don't want to all that stuff out she's 14 so you can't get everything everything on her, which is really frustrating when I want to hear everything out of her mouth. I would say more annoying.

It's more annoying, yeah. Yeah, so in 2001 here, the next year, she is still being held, by the way. They haven't tried him yet. She's still being held. She's in juvie, basically, and they do an interview with her there's a newspaper that does an interview and she's complaining that there's not uh there's not there needs to be more long-term intensive therapy for kids who have long sentences she said there's nothing for us right now and she's basically it's just her complaining in this interview about how she needs more counseling and they're not giving her any somebody help me which is i guess valid i mean she obviously has

problems but she's 14 i have a hard time with 14. That's really hard. Your brain isn't formed yet. But you're still an evil little fucker if you want to. Yeah. I can't. It's so hard. You know what I mean? Yeah. God, the scales there.

I'm right on board. Shit, it's so difficult to talk about. An evil little fucker. Yeah, it's like, are you an evil little fucker? Are you a kid? What is going on? Can we help you? Is there any way that we can make you not be an evil little fucker to be an evil old

fucker? Are you going to be that? Are you going to get there? Because I don't want to put money in you if that's what you're going to become. No, if that's where we're going here. Now, August 2001, she files an appeal to get her to dismiss, get her out of being held. She's been in jail for a year, basically. She just wants out.

A year and a half. They finally grant her request on October 5th, 2001, but it's held over until the 30th where they have another hearing. Oh, my God. So many hearings. They had a permanency placement hearing that was held in January 2002. Where was she going to go?

That's what I mean. They're trying to find out. So she remained in juvie until finally on April 17th. She never gets out. They go from hearing to hearing of where she's going to go. They bounce her around from this facility to that facility. And finally, on April 17th, 2002, they just said, let's forget all this stuff. How about we're just going to charge her for first-degree murder?

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nice right it's very hard that bed it's in vermont you got your got your own toilet your very own you are not allowed to leave that is one of the. That's one of the things that's a sticking point that we there is. Do you like nightlife? It's tough to charge dollars. What we're saying for the facilities we're offering for that very reason. It's difficult. Now, right after she's indicted, she her lawyers and not she, her lawyers moved to suppress the statement she made to police on the day of the murder. They did. They moved to dismiss the case against her on the on the grounds on due process grounds that she didn't get a speedy trial because they just charged her now. Yeah. And they held her for a year and a half. But they said she was a material witness. This is all gray area. This is the grayest case. It's very difficult.

How can you try to dismiss on on grounds of not having a speedy trial? Bitch, you haven't had a speedy trial. You haven't had a trial at all yet, whether it be speedy or not. You're just being held at the moment. Yeah. But, I mean, can you hold somebody? Isn't there like a law on how long you can hold somebody before you get the case together? Yes, if they're charged.

If they're a material witness, then it's like we just need this witness. And it gets much more shady about that. And the worst part is she has nowhere fucking else to go. No, nowhere at all. Just sit still. Relax. Yeah. Relax.

All right. Your dad doesn't even want you home. Calm down. Right. Chill out. All right. We're feeding you. At the evidentiary hearing, though, the court actually grants her motion to suppress her statements.

They said they should be excluded because they were the product of an illegal de facto arrest. They find that she was in police custody from the moment that she was stopped in the car and handcuffed and held in custody the whole day. No arrest warrant, no sufficient grounds for a probable cause to hold her for any suspected crime at the time. And they held her anyway. It's like, if you want an older, you should have charged her is what they're saying there. Uh, they also concluded that her statement should be suppressed because she hadn't been, uh, because she'd been subjected, subjected to what they call custodial interrogation, which, uh, they're interrogating her without being advising her of her rights, which that's

true. They did not, they did being advising her of her rights, which that's true. They did not. They did not Mirandize her. They didn't get her an attorney or a parent or anybody. And they were clearly mining from her information about a murder that they thought she might have been involved in. Right now, I hope somebody's some investigators getting chewed out a little bit worse than Johnson on the freeway. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

What the fuck, Johnson? Block the goddamn on-ramp. These two shitbags, whoever interrogated her, should be yelled at a lot harder. Yeah. Well, the court just says she was, quote, in custody. So she should have— She should have known. She wasn't allowed to leave.

Right. So she should have been Mirandized, basically, because that's one of the things they'll say. You're free to go at any time. She wasn't free to go at any time. Yeah. By the way, that Miranda guy's whole life is so fucking fascinating. If you get a chance to read about it, fucking read about the guy. The guy who inspired these...

Miranda's a woman. No, no, the guy. The guy for the Miranda laws. Yes. That guy's life is fucking awesome. Yeah, the guy from Arizona. He was such a scumbag and he got off... Miranda's a woman. I don't know why I thought... I'm talking about Miranda rights the whole time and then I thought about... For some reason in my head... You're connecting that to Vicky? I connected it to Vicky. I don't know why I thought I'm talking about Miranda rights the whole time. And then I thought about I for some reason in my head, I connected that to Vicky.

I put connected to Vicky. I'm like, what are you talking about? Vicky's dead. She's she's a woman. Right. She's a teacher. Yeah. Her life's fascinating. Wow. OK. I need more sleep. The Miranda guy's life is super fast. He got off on a technicality. He gets out of prison. He went back a couple other times. Yeah. Well. By the time he got out, he got fucking stabbed to death in a bar in South Phoenix. Jesus, perfect. Perfect. Because he cheated somebody gambling on cards or some shit. Oh, that's going to happen there.

It's awesome. Such a fucking fast-paced story. You'll get off from the government, but you cheat in cards and you're going to get stabbed in South Phoenix. Street laws are a little more vicious. Don't cheat in South Phoenix. That will get you stabbed. That is as true today as it was in the 1960s. I think it was in the 70s when he got stabbed.

Oh, was it? I think the Miranda case was in the 60s. It was 61 or 62? Doesn't matter. He only lived a few more years. He only lived a few more sad, sad years. So anyway, yeah, they're saying all that. She was not held for a short duration.

It wasn't limited or routine. She was handcuffed, yada, yada, yada, the whole deal. They concluded that the totality of circumstances indicated that a reasonable person in the defendant's position would not have believed she was free to go and would have believed that she was actually in custody and, quote, at the mercy of the police. Okay. Which especially if they're 14, I would add, like I said, put an accelerator on that if they're 13. Now, 2002 comes around. Yeah. We have all of her issues.

That's still going on. She's going to be fighting this back and forth. She's still in custody. She has nowhere to go. She doesn't have anywhere to go. Right. She's a minor with no parents or anything else. So even if she's released from custody, she's still going to be in somewhere.

She's still going to be in somewhere. Right. Government something. So 2002, Scott Favreau pleads guilty to the murder charge and the death of Vicki Campbell Beer. Now, during the court proceedings here, the sentencing, forensic psychiatrists testified about, you know, they're mitigating – about the horrendous abuse of his childhood, physical, psychological, emotional, sexual damage. Doctors diagnosed him as having post-traumatic stress disorder, all that sort of thing. They said he was suffering from depression and also said that he possibly might have fetal alcohol syndrome, which is all possible. Favreau here, he really makes a case that he deserves the sympathy here.

Poster child for just not his fault. Yeah, exactly. He says, quote, I felt alone. I was surrounded by family and friends, but I still felt alone. I didn't know how to ask for help. Things snowballed until they got out of control. I was just a dumbass teenager. You still are.

Still are. First of all, stealing the motorcycle, that's a dumbass teenager thing to do. I'll even give you breaking into the school to steal Ritalin. It's a little more aggressive, but still dumb shit teenager thing to do. Shooting your foster mother in the back of the head while she fucking grades school children's papers. Because a 14-year-old told you to do it. Because a 14-year-old told you to.

That's not stupid teenager shit. Yeah, no. You are just not a- I'm just an idiot. I don't know if you're a bad person or an idiot, but we don't need you around right now. No, absolutely not. Let's put you aside for a minute here. I don't know how much that helped him because he is sentenced to 17 years to life in prison, which seems...

He's got the chance of parole. He's got the definite chance of parole here. His plea agreement actually requires him to testify against Tasha. Oh, shit. Okay, that's as part of the agreement. But when it comes up, he refuses. He refuses to testify. So what does that do in terms of legality?

It screws the whole thing up and causes shitloads of hearings. And me to look over tons of legal... We needed you, you asshole. So much legal minutiae, it makes me want to cry. He had the chance to make things right. Yeah, they asked him why he didn't testify. He said, quote, I don't want to address the reasons I didn't testify. I don't want to comment on that.

Okay. I don't know. He won't comment on anything? Yeah, he's nothing. He won't comment, won't tell. He just doesn't want to go. She has some kind of hold on him, or he's... I don't understand what the deal is, why.

I don't even know how they would have contact with each other. He owes her something for some reason. Right. What did she do for him? Like who did she save from a burning building for him or something here? He's complaining. He says, being in jail,

quote, just teaches you to be an inmate. Yeah. That's jail. Quote, there's, well, where else are you going to learn,

sir? Quote, there's not a lot of responsibility in here. You can sleep all day. You can do nothing at all, and that's what a lot of us do. Well, yeah, because it's prison here. Yeah. He says, you know, he's trying to have a society in there, you know, but it's kind of hard because it's prison here.

Sleep all day doesn't sound great, James. Oh, it sounds – I would love to sleep at all here. He is mending ties with his biological mother, who I'm sure is a real winner, who, you know, was with a guy who would molest kids and probably gave him fetal alcohol syndrome and everything else. So his parents are just both winners here. She they talk on the phone all the time. He says that she's always talking about her financial struggles and her search for a better

job. And he says he's all depressed because he can't help out. It's like, you don't even know this person. Why are you so depressed? But Vermont and Maine, the two whitest states, by the way, also, as I've said before, they allow people in prison to vote. They're the only states that allow. They take a felon's vote?

They take a felon's vote. So he voted in the 2006 election. He's voting in the midterms, which young people usually don't vote in the midterms. And prisoners never vote in the midterms. So they got him out. Interesting. They brought him out. Yeah.

He says that it made him feel like he can make a difference in something. Blah, blah, blah. First of all, no. And second of all, you're in prison. The other thing is, I can't believe they're doing that. Why do they do that? That's not fair. That's not right.

He said he, I don't really, honestly, I don't care. What does how we live, how does that fucking, you're in no fucking cage, asshole. Your vote doesn't matter. If a CEO of a company who makes, you know, has a, if he gets, if he fucks over everybody, still gets a $400 million golden parachute, is allowed to fucking vote. I suppose. I'd rather have him than that fucking asshole because at least we're probably more. He's going to vote against that.

Yeah, at least we're probably more lined up in economic interest than the billionaire. So maybe not. I don't know. He says it helped him like have a sense of community talking about politics with the other prisoners and all that. Blah, blah, blah. I don't care about his sense of community. I don't know that I want those people talking about politics with the other prisoners and all that. Blah, blah, blah. I don't care about his sense of community. I don't know that I want those people talking about politics with each other.

That's the other thing. It's going to cause stabbing. Right. People on the outside that don't have filed down two punches. And who have anger issues and are in a prison for shit. Somebody's going to get a vein open. Jesus. So January 2005, Tasha is convicted

for her role in the killing. She makes a plea agreement. She pleads guilty to manslaughter and second degree unlawful restraint for locking the dad in the basement there. Why'd you stab that guy? Did you hear his policy on schools? Fuck you. I had to. Did you

hear where he's still on tax reform? This isn't right. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Good God. Inconceivable. He's against sanctions on Iran. He's against the sanctions, man. What the fuck?

How could he? How are we supposed? I can't take that. She is sentenced to 10 to 15 years to serve on the manslaughter charge, but with all but 10 of them suspended and one to five years on the unlawful restraint charge consecutive with the manslaughter. So they'll all be in there. So basically, she's got one to five years.

What? That's what she just got out of that. During the sentencing hearing, Vicki's brother, Alan, got to talk. The uncle. Yeah, the uncle. He said that he was okay with the deal, but then he said he felt like he got burned because it ends up that Favreau could be released from prison after only 10 years. So he's like, this isn't right here. Yeah, it's terrible.

They're mad at the prosecutor, basically. They felt like they were tricked. The system fucked them. He said they, quote, got burned by them is what he said. So I don't blame him. Speaking of getting burned, 2006, guess what happens? Uh-oh. Tasha's released from jail.

They place her on probation. Yeah, place her on probation, and she is out of jail. She's living in Las Vegas. Okay. They let her move out of state for some reason. Unreal. By 2013, she's been living in Las Vegas. She files a motion to try to get her parole canceled, basically, by the state so she can

not be under- Do whatever she wants. Free woman. Do whatever she wants. That is denied. April, but Scott's still in there. That's good. So April 2013, Scott is released from prison on a furlough.

Oh my God. So we're 12 years, 13 years later. Both of these two are out. Yeah. August 2013. She has a Tasha has another hearing talking about being in Vegas. She says that she she's a changed person. She worked works to support her two children.

Oh, my God. And she's just a good person. You know, the judge, though, says she's not quite satisfied with Tasha's progress. And her basically doesn't know what she's up to, but she's saying she's fine now. And they're like, yeah, I don't know. You still killed your stepmom. So she keeps filing these. And her father, Randy, said he wouldn't fight her request. He says, quote, I wish her to continue to be a productive citizen and progress in her life for her sake and for the sake of my grandchildren. I also believe at some point that I must let time begin to heal wounds.

This doesn't mean that I have forgotten the circumstances that took a precious loved one away from me and all who loved her. So he's just like, I just can't fight it anymore. Fuck it. Let her do whatever she's going to do. She's got his grandchildren, which are her children, obviously. Yeah. And she's got to influence their lives. Yeah. He's just hoping to Christ that she – Right. Yeah. Let's going to do. She's got his grandchildren, which are her children, obviously. Yeah. And she's got to influence their lives. Yeah.

He's just hoping to Christ that she— Yeah. Let's not make more. Let's try to at least take care of these kids. And let's not fuck those kids up. Yeah. Absolutely. So she—April of 2014, she files another thing to try—another motion to try to get—she

has to—she's trying to get out of the probation. This time they actually made her come back to Vermont for a minute. Oh, that's great. But then she's the next hearing. She's back in Vegas again. But she says she's going to stay with her sister there while she does that. Now, May 5th of 2014, Scott's been out about a year. There's like kind of a fluff piece on him in the paper.

What? He says he's good now. He's just like, I'm a good dude now. What? He lives in Brattleboro. He works at a local restaurant. What the fuck is Brattleboro? Is that up there in Vermont?

It's a town up there. Yeah, yeah, it's a town. Wow, he's staying in the state. Staying in the state. Says he works at a restaurant. Recently moved in with his girlfriend and a seven-year-old son. If you can't find anybody, holy shit. Jesus.

Fuck, man. This guy can find somebody. He's got a girlfriend that already had a kid? Yeah, a seven-year-old. And he's living with her. He's living with her? She thinks he's trustworthy enough to be around a child. He said, quote, what I did was horrible, but I'm not that person anymore.

I've done a lot of things to change that. I made a mistake. I'll move forward and do the best I can. That's all he can do, man. He paid his debt to society. Talks about his girlfriend. He said, quote, she and her son, they keep me wanting to better myself she has grown up without he has grown up without a father and has taken a liking to me he wants me to adopt him and call me dad i grew up without a father

looking back i can see some of the issues i may have had uh may have may have been due to the lack of a male figure in my life okay there's a lot of sheets on you and you go fucking nuts yeah his probation officer said quote it's up to him to continue to take responsibility and really attempt to make amends for his actions now that he is in the community. How terrified would you be to cheat on somebody that did that? Oh, God. No idea what the hell they're capable of. Being in a relationship with somebody that's actually murdered somebody.

That's crazy. That's fucking psychotic. The parole officer says in that year he hasn't committed any parole violations. He hasn't done anything. She said that the parole officer said he's taken – he's already extensively began to address his responsibilities while he was in the facility. It's up to him to continue to take responsibility and really attempt to make amends for his actions. So he's trying hard is what she's saying here. He's on a furlough technically here, and they can take him off the furlough in his next

date in front of the parole board, which is April 2015. He says he's had no contact with the Campbell Beer families, which I would fucking hope not, except for a letter he wrote them of apology. He said, I apologize for taking this person away from them and putting them through what they went through. What I did was wrong. Whether they accept that is out of my control, but I want them to understand that I know what I did and I know how it affected them.

Well, yeah. You sat in a fucking prison for 13 years thinking about it. And in prison, too. He went between a bunch of them. He was in Kentucky, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Virginia, Vermont. They moved him all around. Traveled more than a service member. He really did all around.

And that was in 12 years or something. He just keeps saying how much he would like to be a productive member of the community. He says it over and over again. If you're willing to change and work on yourself, people are willing to help you. He has got, I mean, every quote is like he read it off a motivational poster. Like, you know what I mean? He's been, I feel like he's been just packed full of like these like self-help things and then pushed out into the world and goes, here, regurgitate that shit.

And every time he's turned down for a job, he's staring at that fucking poster that says like inspiration behind the fucking bots. And he memorizes that bullshit. I thought it would be great in the next interview. While in prison, he developed his artistic skill, and he's an artist now. He works primarily in charcoal and graphite. He says that's why he wanted to live in Brattleboro, because it's an arts community. He says, quote, Brattleboro is definitely unique.

So many people have opened their arms and given to me. Wow. Quote, Brentleboro is definitely unique. So many people have opened their arms and given to me. Wow. Wow. Yeah, he said that his victim and his victim's family have motivated him to be a better person. I did it in honor of my victim and her family.

I promise to be a better person. I don't think that's the wording he was supposed to be saying there, I was looking for. Wow. That's fucking amazing, is it not? I did it in honor of her. In honor of her, damn it.

Dahmer never said any shit like that. No, he said I wanted to keep him alive and play with your dicks. At least he was honest about that shit, you know what I mean? That's not remorse, man.

I did it in honor of her. Shit, no. What a stupid thing to say. Now, October 13th, 2014. So he's honoring his victim, Jimmy. Barton, his probation officer, receives a call saying that Scott, quote, walked off the job in the middle of his shift and just took off. They don't know where he is. His girlfriend told authorities that, quote, he packed a backpack, took his money, and

vacated their shared residence. That's what they said. He left behind his cell phone and his charger. It was either that or murder everybody. Either that or he just took off. He couldn't take it anymore. Left his cell phone so he couldn't be tracked also here. He sent a text message to his mother beforehand.

It said, quote, asked her not to travel from her home to Brattleboro to visit him because it wasn't a good time, as he and his girlfriend were arguing. Or, I'm leaving and taking off and running from the police. I'm getting the fuck out of here. That's October 13th. October 15th, he's captured. Of course. It doesn't get very far here.

They never do on these. He's captured. He took a backpack and a peanut butter sandwich. That's it. He took one of those sticks with a handkerchief on. He's like a bindle. Bindle. Walking around like a hobo. I said trundle. He's like a bindle. Bindle, that's the word. He's walking around like a hobo.

I said trundle. Just put a trundle. I don't even know what the fuck that is. I don't think that's the word. I don't think so. He just put a can of beans in there and he walked away.

Vandy camps. Yeah. In his backpack here, he made a phone call to his girlfriend and that's how they got him. That's how they found him. They found him

walking along the road. He doesn't even have a car. He doesn't even know. how they found him. They found him walking along the road. He doesn't even have a car. He doesn't even have a car. He's just walking. He's just walking along the road. In his stuff that he had. Historically, they've gotten away. Yeah.

No shit. What a dipshit. He's in Massachusetts, and on his release, his furlough agreement, it says, quote, I will not leave the state of Vermont without written permission of my assigned probation officer or designee. I will not travel outside of Wyndham County unless permitted by my supervising officer. Yeah. So and he's also on a curfew. He's nine to six, nine p.m. to six a.m. curfew. That's not so he shouldn't be out there. He's definitely broken it. So he pleads not guilty to the felony escape charge after that. There's a fifty thousand dollar bail. So, I mean, he was out. Now he's back not guilty to the felony escape charge after that. There's a $50,000 bail.

So, I mean, he was out. Now he's back in. How fucking stupid is he? That's an easy way for a lawyer to fight it, though, just by saying exactly what I said. You can't possibly think that he was running. He was going to run away. He's on his fucking feet. He just didn't want to talk to his girlfriend for a night or something. I'm sure he got

confused, didn't realize he crossed the state line. That's all it is. Yeah, but its problem is when you're on probation or parole and you have to work, you can't just leave in the middle of your shift and run out of state. But I'm sure a lawyer will do his damnedest. Oh, they're going to try. They're going to try. The state attorney, though, he's saying that, quote, the defendant was serving a 17-year-to-life

sentence following a second-degree murder conviction and his furlough, I don't think it has been formally revoked yet, but it will be subject to ongoing proceedings. Well, no shit. I guess so here. The defense attorney said that they're not going to challenge the $50,000 bail request, quote, for obvious reasons. Maybe because obviously you can't say he's not going to go anywhere because he just tried to. He says that he urged the judge here, urges Favreau and his lawyer to complete to complete an application. And he says he was imposing the fifty thousand dollar bail without prejudice. He says, quote, if that becomes the only reason you're in jail, then your attorney can file a motion to reconsider the bail. Well, Jesus Christ. Yeah, obviously he wants to now.

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wait to see you there, guys. Let's party. Let's do it. June 27th, 2017. This is recently. A judge, a Caledonia Superior Court Judge Elizabeth Mann, throws out his second-degree murder conviction. What? Throws it out. Okay.

Throws it out. Said that trial judge Dennis Pearson failed to ask Favreau at his change of plea hearing whether he admitted to the facts underlying in his guilty plea. Oh, my God. So he never said, do you, you know, they have to say whether they did or not, never did that. Favreau said he was manipulated by his lawyers and that his confession was coerced. Oh, boy.

So they vacate the sentence. The judge says, quote, the Vermont Supreme Court has clearly established that the trial court must specifically inquire into the factual basis of the plea and must secure for the defendant an acknowledgment of the same in open court before a guilty plea can be accepted. Wow. So, yes, he'll have to go out. He'll have to either go back to trial or they can try to work out another deal with him now.

Okay. That's how this shit works. August 9th, 2017, he's recharged. Oh, boy. They recharge him again. They charge him with first first degree murder again so now he's charged twice with this first degree murder this is so weird and gray and strange odd legal shit this is he's held without bail at this point yeah uh it's great recharge with it

his public defender uh is only there he said for arrangement arraignment on this one he's like i have no fucking idea what's going on i'm just here to get him started and I'm getting the fuck out of here. He says he's just he just had a, you know, an evidence hearing request. It should be delayed until the state assigns somebody else because he says, quote, whoever's assigned can take the next step. Yeah, no doubt. I don't want any

part of this shit. I'm out of this. Yeah, this is a quick little hearing. His mother was there. Scott's mother was there. She's back in the picture. She said she hoped things would be different for him this time. She said, quote, I hope things turn out the way they should have. They should have turned out and all are involved or charged this time. Not just Scott, because he wasn't the only one that was involved.

Tasha, they kept telling him that she served jail time, but she didn't. She was in Woodside for a year. That's not jail. And I think she should have got more time. Be concerned with why your kid was in the foster care in the first place. Be concerned with what you did wrong, honey. Yeah, you and the father are shit parents. That's why. She says, quote,

he served his time. When he gets out of when he gets out this time, he needs to be more he needs more help to deal. Because like I said, he was a child when he went in. They let him out and helped him for a couple months and then just threw him to the wolves. You know, like people are when they're in the world. You're thrown to the wolves, Jimmy.

It's like training in any job you have. They train you for two weeks and throw you to the wolves. Here's the other thing, though. He did 13 years. That's a good amount of time. Is that time served? That's the thing. Everything in this is the greatest case.

That's why I did it. I was like, this is the craziest, weirdest case here. Did the craziest for that time or i don't know how that shit that works here well let's find out this year uh he the mother also says his lawyer never asked him what happened she's just defending him defending him defending him uh he served his time he needs more help blah blah blah blah she's doing her whole deal in august of 2017 they're uh they're awaiting the weight of evidence hearing. His defense attorney files a motion to delay the hearing, like we said. Favreau is saying where he wants to live. He's supposed to live with a guy named Larry Rudd at 2748 Hale Road in

Waterford. If released, he would be confined to the home except for court and legal, house arrest, court and legal things here. Now, the family, obviously, the family and friends of Vicki, or Vicki Campbell Beer, are just devastated by this whole thing. A reporter asked one of her friends here, over 17 years later, what are your thoughts on the status of justice? She said, quote, I don't think justice has been served in this case for either one of them. They asked Randy Beer about this, and he says and he says quote well we just killed her again we've killed her 17 going on 18 times we want this process to go through all the way to the end to put some closure on the situation because for these people it's like keep ripping the fucking band-aid off what a what a fucking vicious thing to say out hearings not hearings they're holding him they're not holding him he's released he holding him. He's released.

He's doing artwork. He's working at a restaurant. Now he disappeared. Now he's back. They're recharging him. He's killed her going on 18 times. He's like, I just want over this shit, man. Can we stop killing my wife?

Yeah. And she said, the reporter asked Randy, does this bother you every time this happens, all these memories? He said, every single time. It's horrible. What kind of fucking question is that? And her sister said, quote said quote and as hard as today was today was the hardest to have to listen to some of the testimonies and they have to just hear it over again man god jesus uh now august 18th 2017 tasha has another hearing for all this shit okay uh she's still trying to get out of the

parole they're blaming the fact that she she had issues. She was living with somebody who was on probation or parole or something, which was against her release. Good God. But she's saying that it's the court's fault, and the court's agreeing with her, saying that the judge says, quote, the court intended to have these events scheduled more frequently, but they didn't get calendared. Thus, they didn't happen, and here we are. Saying they didn't keep track of her. There was no oversight. That's our bad.

Our goof. Yeah. Whoops- no oversight. That's our bad. Our goof. Whoops-a-daisy. The paperwork got missed. I'm sorry. So Tasha says she's doing great. Her kids are excelling in school. She's doing perfect. She says, quote, I feel like I have a blessed life out here. My children are doing amazing.

In spite of her. In spite of her. I have a great husband and I continue to do what I needed to do on my end and I just feel like at this point it's something I'd like to put behind me if possible. Of course you would. I bet you would. I bet there's a lot of people that like to put this shit behind them here. You know who else would? Your dad would love that. Yes, but the judge actually did not allow that

at this point. She has a job in Vegas and she's touting her church membership and they said, yeah. Oh, for fuck's sake. I don't know. The judge said, quote, my observation from this report is you are doing as would be the goal for a probation sentence. That is where the probationer is living a law abiding life, productive in the world and society. But she still says, you know, not going to let you off yet.

Right. As a matter of fact. Keep doing that. Keep doing you, Bobo. Keep going. You're almost there. Now, October 2017, this month, Scott Favreau was in court trying to get home detention again. The Randy Beer says, I don't think this would have been appropriate in this situation, which, you know, I guess so.

The Gina Campbell, her sister, Vicky's sister, said, quote, there's been so many missteps by the court system that causes us to be back here again. Vicki got a life sentence, and that's certainly what I'd like to see Scott get. Yeah, I would say so. Randy finally said, the legal system, we feel like it failed us. What we want to see is completion. Go all the way with it to the end. If a trial is what's necessary, then we'll withstand that to finally put an end to it,

no matter what the result i'm so immature i just heard that all in like the most sexual of terms like i just want completion i want to go all the way and then just go all the way finish on his face let's just go meanwhile this poor man is just sitting here sobbing over his dead wife uh his next hearing is on friday november 3rd at 1145 a.m. at the 1126 Main Street in St. Johnsbury, Vermont. So Scott, though, he has a profile on something called Freelanced.com. What? Showcases his artwork. Asshole.

He's an artist and animal illustrator is what he says. His About Me. Can you comment on that? Yes, you can. You can give him reviews. You can give him reviews and everything. Oh, this is great. An animal illustrator is what he says. His About Me. Can you comment on that? Yes, you can. You can give him reviews. You can give him reviews and everything. Oh, this is great. He says in About Me, quote, I'm new to the field and hoping for, you know, because I was in prison for 17 years and looking for an opportunity to get my feet wet.

I'm well organized, hardworking, hard work. I'm a well organized, hardworking portrait and animal portrait artist, but can create anything. I'm good at talk. I'm good at taking what the customer wants and bringing it to life. He actually said he's good at bringing things to life. No, you're not. You're really good at killing people. The opposite.

I meet or exceed deadlines, and I am professional not only with my work, but with customers as well. His rate is $25 an hour. Jesus. He says he has rated his skills here out of five stars. His portrait art is five stars. His animal illustration is only four stars. Jesus. He says he has rated his skills here out of five stars. His portrait art is five stars. His animal illustration is only four stars. Okay.

Work on those horses, big guy. He's a bullshitter. Sometimes it's hard to get that hair just right on the face of the dog. You know what I mean? You know how it is. It's a little tough. Go to that website and fucking negatively review everything he has. Well, be honest.

I don't know. Do what you want. Or ignore this guy and let him proceed into obscurity. Either way. I just want comments on his artwork. God. Hilarious ones. If you're going to write, make it clever and funny.

Not just like... Murder. Yeah, don't just say that. Fucking murder. We do not condone any harassment of any free citizens, by the way. That's not our thing. That's a good point. But that is not what we're saying.

But if you want to go take a look at the artwork, that's up to you. I don't know what to tell you. And give us some clever feedback. Hey, maybe. Maybe you'll tell him you like his horses. I have no idea. I have no idea. Tell him clouds are fluffy.

Exactly. So with that, though, hearings are going on. In November, there's going to be hearings for her coming up. She's still trying to get off probation. I am assuming something tells me, I don't know what it is, but in the next couple of years, they're both going to be free and clear, I feel like. But that's a crazy story in Burke, Vermont.

A little different because we've had last week, you don't get any more complete than a firing squad. And so this week, I thought I'd kind of have a muddled one that wasn't so clear and gray and kind of, you know, look at how the legal system has its threads showing a lot of times. But that's that there. If you like that story or if you liked our telling of that horrible, tragic story, please go to iTunes.

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You guys are fucking great. So thank you, Dana. You're a good dude. A top-notch listener. Truly. Lisa White, Cody Cargile or Cargile, Cargile. Fuck. Whatever.

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Whatever. Haley Missile Missile Dean Missile Dine Missile Dean. It's got it's got to be. Every week. It's got to be. And then you say four different things. Amy Pohanek, Andrew Wagon or Regand, Sherry Holland, Jess Landgren, and Christiane Castagno. Again, thank you, guys.

God damn it. Again, the two of them are unbelievable people. Thank you. Love you both. Thank you very much. Louisa Sodergren. I think I got that. That's not bad.

That sounded right. Well, there's a V in Louisa, but I think it's Louisa. Yeah, right. Louisa. It's either Louisa Sodergren or Louisa Sodergren. Either way, thank you. I think you got the Sodergren part right. I think it's Louisa. Louisa? It's either Louisa Sodergrind or Louisa Sodergrind. Either way, thank you. I think you got the Sodergrind part right there. I think I handled that one.

That sounds very Slavic. Those two dots are in the fucking name, too, over a letter somewhere. It's bananas. Charles Glass, Rachel Flaherty, Chris Asgaraga. Yeah. Michael Wannop. Kasten Johnson Patrick Cunningham

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thank you really appreciate you Jared Hohe or Hoey Holly Gaston or Gaston Holly Gaston that's it

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What? How did I do that? Carolyn Baldonado. Terry Stodinger. Rob McDowell, Kat Ojala. Yeah. She's got dots over a letter, too. And there's an art.

There's an art. She's like, I'm going to donate just to hear how bad my names get screwed up. So thank you. Kat Ojala. It's wrong, but that's what you get. Yeah. That's what you're getting. Ashley Raddatz, Jessica Gore.

Ashley also is on Snapchat, and she's fantastic. Jessica Gore, Rania Wilson. Rania? I think so. Yeah, yeah. Renee? It may be Renee. Yeah, a lot of times that's Renee with the-

Probably. Chris Geerke. Chris Geerke. I think that's right. All right. Lane Jupe, or Jupp. I think that's right. All right.

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Damn it. Megan Almagro or Alma... Whatever. I'm an asshole. Megan, I'm an asshole. Right. Brittany Reeves, Megan Almagro, or whatever. I'm an asshole. Megan, I'm an asshole. Right. Jedediah Suntheimer. Suntheimer?

Suntheimer. Suntheimer. I don't know. Ashley Schell, Ingrid Stokes. She's the one that sent what we thought was North Korea bucks. It's actually- Yeah, I saw it. It's Norwegian. It's Norwegian.

Because we're morons. North Korea Bucks. It's actually... Yeah, I saw it. It's Norwegian. It's Norwegian. Because we're morons. North Korea Bucks sounds much better. Monica Johnson, David Yachu, Adrian Nebla, Katie McGill, Sam Stevens Jr., Leah Egan. She is a sister of a listener, and they told me to say something, and I forgot what I was supposed to say. I think I'm supposed to say, Leah, you may fuck off. You may fuck off. Maybe her sister may fuck off. One of you may fuck off.

May fuck off. Gabriella Rubuccio. She's the one that works over at ESPN, I believe, and sent us a bunch of ESPN stuff. Thank you. Thank you, Gabriella. Kimberly Ross. Lisa Saputis, Brian Johnson, Wesley Swims, Stacey Van Antwerp-Reisenbeck. I think that's right. That's not bad. I'm probably wrong.

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I saw a movie once that was Gigli, right? Yes. That was the title. That terrible movie with Ben Affleck. Yeah, I didn't see it. I refused to say I saw that. Anyway, Cary Giglio or Giglio. We will take it.

Adam Eppinger. the city of Quebec. That was great. Thanks, Quebec. That's fascinating. Thanks, you French bastards. We appreciate it. Appreciate it. Let's Talk Pods also donated.

Oh, cool. Thank you. So go check out that podcast. Let's Talk Pods. Lisa Jacobson, Alexia Gordon, Diane Flynn, Laurent Fus, Ben Larson, and then Lisa Harbin. I'm not sure if I got you last week. I wanted to make sure I got you this week. You guys, I cannot understate how appreciative we are of these things.

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