Small Town Murder - #45 - The Hottest Cold Case Around in Sitka, Alaska

Episode Date: November 22, 2017

This week, we look at the rugged town of Sitka, Alaska, where a young couple moved away for adventure & a fresh start, but ended up with one of them being a missing person. Years go by, until a tip from a very unlikely source leads to the grizzly, and brutal truth. Along the way, we find out the true agenda of halibut, how hard police actually look for a missing Alaskan, and the true extent of the "anything goes" policy of trash collectors! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It doesn't work. We've had problems. People still get mad at us for things. But we still got to say it. This is a comedy podcast. And it's not a matter of we're not giving you a disclaimer because we say horrible things about dead babies and things like that. That's not what we're about. We go out of our way, and we promise this, we go out of our way to not make jokes and not make fun of the victims or the victim's family or anything like that.

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It's not what the show is about. The show is about shutting up and giving you murder. And that's what we're going to do right now. Let's head on a trip, Jimmy. All right. We're on a trip. Bags packed? Yes.

You're ready to roll? No. We're leaving Delaware? Hold on. Hold on. Get your shit together. I got to turn the iron off. God damn it. Jesus. What are you ironing? You look like a slob anyway. Let's to roll? No. We're leaving Delaware. Hold on. Hold on. Get your shit together. I got to turn the iron off. God damn it.

Jesus. What are you ironing? You look like a slob anyway. Let's go. Move it. All right. We're on the plane. Here we go.

Going from Delaware. We're going far. Really? We're going to Alaska. This is about as far from Delaware, just about as far as you can get from Delaware and still be in the United States. We're going to Alaska. Oh, shit.

We're in Alaska, baby. This is the first time. Yes. We are way out. We are outside of the continental US. We've been in shit. We're in Alaska, baby. This is the first time. Yes, we are way out. We are outside of the continental U.S. We've been in Australia. We've been in the U.K. We've been in Canada.

But now we're going way, way out there into Alaska to Sitka, Alaska. All right. This is a weird place. It's a cool place. Is it C-I-T-G-A? C-I-T-K-A. Okay. Sitka.

That's fucking weird. Yeah, I assume it's some sort of ancient word, or it could be Russian, as we'll get into It's probably named after a fucking bear. I'm sure it's Sitka the giant bear lived up there, and I'm sure we're insulting a people Somebody amazing. A people who live there that's named after an ancestry of 3,000 years ago. We're insulting them, saying they're a bear that lives in the cave on the hill that everyone's afraid of.

They think it's the abominable snowman. It's not. Sitka, it's a very interesting place. It's in the far southeastern part of the state. If you notice, if you look at Alaska, it's this big, giant state. And if you look at the far southeast, there's like a little tail that comes off it almost right there. It's like a peninsula.

Is it a bunch of islands? Archipelago, I think is how you call it. Archipelago, yes, if I remember from geography and from social studies class. So I'm just going with what you say. It's like a big tail. You can call it Alaska's dick, and I'll be like, yeah, that's what it's called. It's Alaska's dick tail is what it is. As a matter of fact, their slogan, Sitka Alaska, Alaska's dick tail.

Come here. And it's bumpy, too. Alaska's syphilitic dick tail. Come on over. Everybody fly on in. I love it. It's south of the Yukon Territory in Canada. So the far west out there is the Yukon Territory, which sounds like you need a plaid fuzzy hat.

It's just a lot of people in boots and a plaid fuzzy hat. Lots of animal skin being worn. Waiting for moose to be shot. Just waiting for a moose to pass by to shoot it. Or jumping in a helicopter to go shoot a harmless fucking wolf. Or that. You never know which one. But that's what the Yukon Territory sounds like.

But this is south of that, so it's not, it's like I said, it's under Canada. It's south of Canada. It kind of swings underneath in the syphilitic dick tail. It is located on the Baranoff Island, which is the southern half of the Chicago Goff Island. What? And it's in the Alexander Archipelago of

the Pacific Ocean. It is Jimmy, you know what it's known as? What? As we always say, this is the one that might be an exception actually because it's really beautiful here and nice. It's Alaska's panhandle. Is that us? It's a panhandle. That ain't a panhandle at all. There's always murder in the panhandle.

It's just it's a bad place to be, but it is beautiful there, I got to say. It's cute that they like to call that a panhandle. It's a panhandle. It's adorable. It's a dicktail. It's a dicktail. I'm sorry. I hate to tell you guys, but that's what it is.

Yeah, so that's what it is. They're in the panhandle. So another panhandle crime is going on here. Everybody stay out of the panhandle. Yeah, if you're in the panhandle. So another panhandle crime is going on here. Everybody stay out of the panhandle. Yeah, if you're in a panhandle, shit's going to go awry. Head toward the pan. Head toward the pan. Everybody, let's chant head toward the pan.

And maybe they'll all leave and just go there. It's possible. We may change the world. But then we're just going to integrate panhandle people into everything, and then what's going to happen? Panhandle people. I don't think society can handle an influx of panhandle people coming into regular society. They're in from the panhandle.

Oh, shit. Hide your daughter. You know that's what's going to happen. It's going to be awful. Get the kids in the house. They're all coming. They're from the panhandle. Come on, everybody.

Get in. In the storm cellar. Pretend it's a tornado. Panhandle, come on, everybody, get in. In the storm cellar, pretend it's a tornado. Treating panhandle people like inclement threatening. That's what I'm doing. Everyone in the storm cellar, come on.

Close it up, lock it. It's like a storm that knows how to unlock things, so it's very dangerous. A storm with breaking and entering ability and a meth habit. It's very dangerous. Is it an apocalypse or is the panhandle out of power i'm telling you man tornadoes are dangerous and we're all scared of tornadoes if you've seen one but a tornado on meth you've never seen a tornado with a toothless tornado watch out with a syphilitic dick tail swinging around. It's terrible. Jesus Christ, it's frightening to me.

What a horrible picture. Oh, that is. That is scary. That makes me want to go to church. With, like, meth scars on its face and everything. Everywhere. Coming at you. It's rather from the panhandle.

It's been picking its cheeks again, Paul. It's coming in from the panhandle. Run! Run! Oh, we're monsters. Oh, we're monsters. Oh, we are monsters. We are, but not like as big of monsters as panhandle people. That's one thing we're not.

No, they're the worst. One thing we're not. We're assholes, but we're not scumbags. We're also not. We're monsters, but we're not panhandle people. We'll take that. That's another one. Fine.

We're monsters, but we're not panhandle people. We are not panhandle people. Ah, Jesus. That's fine, but I... We're going to piss off so many panhandled. We are not panhandled people. Ah, Jesus. It's fine, but I... We're going to piss off so many people. I'm sure, yeah. This is all a joke. If you live in a panhandle, I'm...

We're kidding. I'm sorry, but we are kidding. If you don't live in a panhandle, aren't the panhandle people creepy? Aren't they creepy? Yeah. Do the panhandle people talk about the people in the pan? Look at them in there, just all together in there. Look at them living a normal life. Look at just fucking weirdos yeah like they're sauteing

vegetables together like a bunch of broccoli come on that's a meth in there uh this sitka place this is remote in a way uh it's very remote yeah it's accessible by boat or plane but you can't drive to sitka yeah there's no bridge to there to Sitka. There's no bridge to nowhere. There's no bridge to nowhere. That's not the nowhere? This is not nowhere, so there is no bridge here. That's crazy. You can take your car, but you have to ferry it in, like you're going to Staten Island or something back in the day.

So it's super weird. Also, too, there's only 14 miles of road from one end of this island to the other. So you don't even need a car. It's like fucking Alcatraz. It's just, yeah, it's just a street and then there's wilderness. Unbelievable. And it's a lot of outdoor shit. That's pretty much everything.

Most everything is walking distance from the downtown area. Is this like a vacation spot for most people? No, it's not. Really? It's a place where people go. I mean, people will vacation there, but it's a place where people go to commercial fish and to, you know, they want to, kayaking is a big part of their lifestyle, I feel like. So this is where they go. It's that sort of thing. It's people, we'll talk about it, but it's people that want to get off the beaten path because it's not easy to just to go here and just decide to go

here. It's people that say I want to go for something different. I want to go for adventure. I'm going to a rugged thing. This sounds like your kind of place. Me? This is the last place I would want to be. James is the least outdoorsy person I know. I don't want anything to do. I don't want to camp.

I don't want any of this shit. Why would I camp? I have a house. That sounds great. Why do I pay for a house if I'm going to sleep outside? We couldn't be more alike and more different at the same time. It's amazing. Yeah.

To me, camping is a homeless fantasy camp. Ah, it's so great. And Jimmy loves it and I don't get it at all. Like, I'd rather cook food inside. No. Everyone's worried about,

oh, the cleanliness of a kitchen when they go to a restaurant. Then they go in the woods and they're like, yeah, just stick it on a stick and throw it in the fire. Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bear could have jammed that stick in his ass yesterday. Right up his ass. You have no idea. and they're like, yeah, just stick it on a stick and throw it in the fire. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? A bear could have jammed that stick in his ass yesterday. Right up his ass. You have no idea. A bear could have, yeah, he could have forcibly sodomized another bear with that stick. And now I'm sticking a hot dog in it. I have no idea. This is not clean. Oh, this ballpark is amazing.

Jesus Christ. Zip code here. We are behind. Zip code. It's worth it, though, Tim. This is what happens. This is what happens. It's worth it.

It had to be said. The zip code here, 99835, area code 907 in case, I don't know, there's a phone in the middle of town that somebody calls you from. I feel like they'd have to crank it up first, like a big hand crank. There's a cable under the ocean back to mainland to fucking make your

phone call. And it's only going to the Yukon territory, too, so it's not really out there. So weird. This place, it's a consolidated city borough, it's called. Okay. So the technical area is huge of Sitka. The technical area is 2,870 square miles. My fuck.

Which is batshit. A lot of that is water, too. It's just this big thing around it. An uninhabitable area. An uninhabitable area. Yeah. The urban area is two square miles. Okay.

So that's where there's people living that aren't plotting a revolt against the government or something of that nature. The slogan, the town slogan, is not come see our syphilitic dick tail. Actually, shockingly enough, it's not. The slogan here is, quote, inspire your imagination, refresh your spirit. The beauty of Alaska awaits. My goodness. It sounds so sexual. The beauty of Alaska awaits. My goodness. It awaits. Jimmy's not part of it.

That sounds so sexual. It does sound very sexual. It sounds like you come up here and you fuck a halibut right in the face. That's what you do. You grab it by the gills and you tear into that bad boy. Right into its upside down face. I feel like that's what they're telling you to do, which doesn't make me want to go there anymore. I've got to be honest with you.

You are getting a lot today, everybody. You are so funny, man. What are you doing today? I'm ornery today. So many jokes with your quick facts. Jesus. Terrible, man. The current name of Sitka is actually derived from an old name, which I knew before.

It's from the Tlingit. I've been having a hard time saying this. It's from a Tlingit word, which the Tlingit were the people there that I insulted earlier by saying they were a big bear. Yeah. That's who I was talking about. It means people of the outside of Baranoff Island, which is just very specific. There's no metaphor there. It's like those people are in that exact geographic location. So that's what we're calling them. Pretty basic stuff here. It's originally settled by Russians

in 1799. Is that right? Oh, yeah. This used to be Russia until we bought this place. This used to be Russia. So it's settled in 1799. Did I just learn that we bought Alaska from Russia? Did just did not know about that. No, I think I did just learn that known as Seward's Folly. Is that right? Because at the time they thought, why did you buy this big frozen piece of shit? And then they went, oh, fuck, there's oil here. Wow, this is great. All right. This was a great all sorts of shit up here. They just hadn't looked for yet. So it was one of those things.

And then the Russians arrived, the Russian-American company it was called. It was a company chartered by Tsar Paul I. Okay. So, yeah, that's very Russian. The Tsars are involved in it. In June 1802, oh, this is Tlingit. I have such a hard time saying that. Well, it's because there's a T and an L.

They don't go together. You can't do that. What the hell kind of sound is that? You only put those together when it's a model of a car. Outside of that, you don't put T and L together. I wonder if it's like Tlingit or something, and I'm saying it wrong. I'm sure I'm saying it wrong. I'm sure we are. I'm going to call it Tlingit because that's easier to say. So they destroyed the Russian settlement.

They killed a bunch of the Russians. A few of the Russians left. Unfortunately for the Tlingits there, they came back and wiped them out pretty much. And then they had to run away. They had more. Yeah. It wasn't good. They had more Russians.

They came back. Sitka was the site of the transfer ceremony for the Alaska purchase. Actually, when we purchased Alaska in 1867, it was the site of it. Russia was having a hard time. They just lost a war, and they were broke, basically, and they needed some money, and that was some quick influx of cash they could get. So they did it, sold it. There we go.

The cost to purchase Alaska, too, a bargain, honestly. Really? This is like a mid-range house in L.A., $7.2 million. We bought Alaska for $7.2 million. A lot of money in 1867, but still $7.2 million. But the return on that is insane. You can't get a three-bedroom house in a nice neighborhood in Los Angeles for that price. And you bought a whole fucking state.

A state that's the size of half the goddamn country. It's enormous. It's the biggest fucking half the goddamn country. It's enormous. Yeah, it's the biggest fucking state in the country. It's enormous up there. Yeah, if you look at an actual size map, you're like, Jesus Christ, that thing is huge. $7.2 million. $7.2 million. So that's not bad here.

Gold mining and fish canning paved the way here. That's what initially brought everything going on in 1937. The Navy, the U.S. Navy, established a seaplane base there. It was the first seaplane base. Then they also had a fort up there, and then they abandoned it and deactivated everything in June of 1944 when we decided we didn't need seaplanes up there anymore. Sahara Desert Fart Fact of the Week. The driest fact I could find.

At least interesting. This is quickly becoming my favorite one. I'm enjoying this myself. I like finding a boring fact. I'm like, yeah, that's terrible. That's great. Sitka is the sixth largest port by value of seafood harvest in the entire United States. Say that one more time.

It's the sixth largest port by value of seafood harvest. Okay. So it has the sixth most money worth of seafood that comes into there. All right. A lot, because there's a lot of halibut and shit like that. In the United States. Okay. All right.

Not the world, Jimmy. That's why it's... If it was the world, that would not be the fart fact. That'd be actually interesting. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. It's just the sixth in the US. Right. It's number six.

Who gives a shit? Yeah. It's not that much. They had oil. It's number six. Who gives a shit? Yeah, it's not that much. They had oil.

And in 2010, a Texas company, S2C Global Systems, announced that it was moving. They had a plan to ship between 2.9 and 9 billion gallons of fresh lake water a year to the west coast of India. That was their shipping water from there. It was supposed to be this huge deal that Sitka could end up earning up to $90 million a year in revenue. This great thing and in 2013 it fell apart and never happened. Sorry, Sitka. Keep your goddamn lake water. Sitka was named one of the top

20 small towns to visit in 2013 by Smithsonian Magazine. How about that? It's gorgeous. The pictures are unbelievable. Alaska's unbelievably beautiful. And this place is as pretty as anything I've seen in Alaska. It's just gorgeous. People there,

let's see how many people are enjoying this beautiful niceness here. Population, 8,863. Of course. So, decent amount of people actually. It's actually one of the higher populated cities in Alaska. That's pretty impressive. There's only a couple. It's that far removed from

everything. But it's not that cold. That's why. It's not that cold there. You look at record temperatures are like minus two. That's the record? That's like the coldest it gets? In March or something. Whereas you look at somewhere else northern, it's going to be minus 30. So it's

temperate for Alaska. It's as warm as you're going to get here. Population density, this is awesome. This is how many people per square mile. Average in the U.S. is 91. And that's taking into account the middle of where there's nothing in Montana and all that shit. Here, three. Three people?

Per square mile. Wow. That's how much it is. That's amazing. That's crazy. That's that whole area, not the urban area where most people are anyway here. Median age is pretty close, but within a year of the average, it's 38.5. Male and female population, usually 51% female.

It's flip-flop this week, 51% male. It's about normal, but I'd expect more because there's a ton of outdoor. It's kind of rugged. Not that women can't do it, but they're more attractive usually to mountain dudes and dudes that are just, like we'll talk about the guy we're going to talk about this week was a guy who was just like, that sounds cool. I want to go on an adventure and live in Alaska and do some fishing or some crazy shit like that. So that's what people do here a lot of times.

They come and go. There's a bit of a transient population here also. By transient, I don't mean they're like homeless. I mean they're just moving in and out a lot here. Married population is about normal. It's 52%. So nothing crazy in any of the numbers when it comes to that. A little higher divorce rate than normal.

I don't know why. I think it's just bleak and people run away because it's like shining or something. I don't know. Or they just figure out marriage sucks. Marriage, yeah. They're like, yeah, a couple more of them do up there. It's pretty. This marriage sucks I don't know. Or they just figure out marriage sucks. Marriage, yeah. They're like, a couple more of them do up there. It's pretty. This marriage sucks.

I'm leaving. The water's super blue. This place is beautiful. I'd rather beat to it than fuck you. Yeah, let's get out of here. Or not fuck you. Yeah, either one. We don't care.

Race of this town here, it's average, actually, on the white side. It's 63.5% white, which is within one percentage of the norm of the average in the country uh 0.99 percent black yeah it's kind of like one or two more get that whole percentage make yourself at least look a little bit you know get a solid percentage in a solid one percent in guys uh asian 5.92 percent which is a little above the average which is what you'd expect on the west coast there of anything uh native american is 15 which is way higher than the 0.66 which is normal yeah which is a little above the average, which is what you'd expect on the West Coast there of anything. Native American is 15 percent, which is way higher than the 0.66, which is normal. Yeah. Which is what you'd expect.

They used to own it. They used to have it. Yeah. A few of them snuck back in apparently after the Russians bombarded them. 5.2 percent, 5.62 percent Hispanic. Okay. So, you know, it's actually more, there's more diversity there than I would have thought there was actually here.

32% are religious here, which is well below the 50%. I didn't expect that. Yeah, there's no religion needed out when you're halibut fishing. They just didn't need it. They're like, we're fine. And it's 8% Catholic, almost 4% LDS, that sort of thing. 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim. They are not moving to Alaska either. It's another snow state, though. Sorry. You know there's LDS, that sort of thing. 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim. They're not moving to Alaska.

It's another snow state, though, so you know there's LDS there. We can hide. Hide, come on, get down there. Hide under the cover of white. They'll never see us, I swear. It's very white here. Voting-wise, about 54%

Democrat, about 45% Republican. Unemployment rate here is actually lower than the average, which is good for them. Household income here is higher. Normally, it's $54,000 is the normal. $63,000? It is $69,600. So a little bit higher here on that. The housing is higher.

But everything costs a lot. You know what I mean? So you've got to make the fucking wages high. There is eight times the agriculture, forestry, fishing, hunting jobs as normal here. So there's a lot of outdoor stuff here. Also a lot of health care, which is, I don't understand why. They need it. They need it, apparently, all that outdoor work.

A lot of frostbite. Cost of living here, and you'll find out why the salary is high. Cost of living here is a 134, as 100 being the par average as we do. Housing is the big one, too. Housing, $197,000. Fuck. It's almost double. Wow.

Median home costs $365,390, which is pretty much double. It's $185,000 normally. That's unbelievable. I don't know if it's to build things up there. It's more expensive. I don't understand what it is. It should be cheap as shit. You got the trees right there.

It's right there. Just drag one over and put a fucking house up. What are we doing here? The whole syphilitic dick tail is all trees. It's all trees. It's all trees. What are we doing? Put some dad.

There's not even a lot of us. Put some fucking houses up here. The houses, a good portion of them, 30% of them are between $300,000 and $400,000. Fuck. That's the biggest percentage of houses there. of them are between $300,000 and $400,000. Fuck. That's the biggest percentage of houses there. And if we've convinced you that the only place to live is in the

Alaskan dick-siphonic panhandle of Alaska, we have for you the Sitka Alaska Real Estate Report. Let's do it. Alright, here we go. I found your average two-bedroom apartment. It's going to be about $1,203, which is actually almost $200 above the national average.

I found a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,100 square foot, nice little house, small little starter house. It's on Halibut Point Road. Oh, Jesus. You know it's official here. A steal at $270,000. My Christ. A little pricey there. I found a three-bedroom, three-bath.

You want to spread out a little more. 2,500-square-foot house here. $464,500. Holy shit. It's just an average house. It's a little bit bigger inside. Half a million dollars. It's nice.

And then I found, if you want to really stretch out, you had a good day fishing. You're raking it in. I fucking hope so. Your gold claim is paying off over here. You can go for this house here, a five-bedroom, three-bath, 3,100 square foot. That's a great house. Beauty. Oh, it's a beauty, too.

It's gorgeous looking. $569,900. You could buy a good portion of Alaska for that in 1867. That is way expensive to buy a lot of the state. For $7.2 million, what the whole thing costs. Whole thing. And you could buy one house for half a million. Panhandle and all.

Sweet, Pete. That's crazy. Things to do here. Yeah. I always check on their Facebook page to see what they have. They don't update that very regularly, so there's not a lot on there. But I did find out that two of my Facebook friends have been to Sitka, Alaska, which is a little disturbing here.

You can do kayaking, fishing, outdoor shit, basically. They have the Sitka Salmon Derby, all set for May 26th to June 3rd of 2018. Catch prize-winning fish in the sparkling waters of Sitka. Cash prize is awarded, sponsored by the Sitka Sportsman's Association, the Sitka Salmon Derby on Facebook. So follow that. Those salmon up there are so fucking big. A friend of mine runs fishing excursions up there. He lives in Idaho.

Yeah. People pay a fortune to go up there and get good fish. It's so much money. It's like three grand for a week. It's crazy. But they fly in and then you go fishing and you come home with like 50 pounds of fish. Yeah. Shit loads of good fresh fish from up there.

It's only like three fish. That's it. That's all it is, man. It's crazy. Crime rate, what we're interested in here. Property crime, slightly above the national average, not too much here. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault is about 20% above the national average. But that's a little misleading because as far as violence goes, this town from what i saw and the stats i saw had one murder between 2002 and 2015 wow so that's

a that's a long time to go with one murder i mean shit you'd kill someone by accident on purpose accidental accidental on purpose a couple times in that it's it's one right now chicago has had three murders already today that's while while we're doing this. So, one. So, that's not bad there. So, it's a safe kind of a town. It's for a different type of person. It's not for everybody. It is for some people, though. It was

for a guy named Scott Covill. Let's talk about him. Scott Covill. 1984, we'll catch up with Scott Covill. We're getting in the time machine. We flew across the country. Now let's go back in time. I bet.

Calendar. Pages. We were going. My legs are kicking. Woohoo. All right. Syphilitic dick tails are flying by. Hey, look at that.

Put some lotion on that or something. I don't know what you do for that. There's a cream. I'm sure. There's a cream or something. Go to the doctor. So Scott Covill. This guy is, he studies biology in college.

He likes to, he's kind of an out there kind of guy. Not crazy, but he likes to do stuff. He's a young kind of adventure guy. I feel like if this guy was a teenager in like, you know, in the early 40s, he would have been like the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor. Oh boy, where's the nearest army recruiting station? I'm going to sign right up. Like, I feel like he would have been that's it's not a bad thing i'm not making fun of that i'm just saying he would have been like yeah it's an adventure you know we're

gonna go kill some we're gonna kill some krauts it's gonna be wonderful white fucking like a white uh what do they call that thing scarf oh yeah he's ready to go man tan jumpsuit i feel like he's just ready to rock and roll just for adventure i'm gonna get out of my town this is gonna be great uh so he's that kind of guy uh in this time he had been enrolled at la sierra college which is a la sierra university i apologize let's talk about la sierra university here for a second la sierra or lsu as they like to call themselves and they're not lsu sorry if you're trying to first of all if you're trying to you know kind of conflate your image with one of LSU. Don't do that.

It's not the most, it isn't the most, you know, top of the shining academic mountaintop right there to say, oh, I want to be them. It's a Seventh Day Adventist school. Oh, no. Yes. A nonprofit college here. It's in Riverside, California. So right there. Jesus Christ. Riverside, California, so right there. Jesus Christ, Riverside is a fucking nightmare.

I have talked much shit about Lincoln, Nebraska. I'm sorry, but you know what? Lincoln is a fucking vacation compared to— Lincoln is gorgeous compared to Riverside. I'm sorry. Riverside's a piece of shit. And by the way, we had a couple people I remember that were like, hey, Lincoln's not that bad. It's fucking that bad. You know it's that bad. It's a piece of shit. And by the way, we had a couple people I remember that were like, hey, Lincoln's not that bad.

It's fucking that bad. You know it's that bad. It's a pile of shit. If you don't think it's that bad, you've never been outside of there. You've never been to Orlando. No, which is also terrible. And when I say- It's got an ocean.

Yeah, when we say a town is terrible and it's awful, we mean it wholeheartedly. We're not saying it as a joke we mean it there's somebody for sure expected we're just kidding no we're not we mean it and it's not your fault it's not your fault we're not saying that the town is dumpy because of you we're not saying that we're saying that everywhere sucks there's like three nice places in the entire country that is and if you've ever been to like San Diego, Lincoln sucks. That's an option.

Lincoln and San Diego are apples to apples as far as cities. You can live in either one of them. You're free to go there. It's fine. So if you look at one and look at the other, you can't go, those are sort of the same. No.

One, amazing. One, fucking terrible. They're miles apart. In case you're confused, Lincoln is the one that's terrible. That's the terrible one. And that goes for us. We live in Phoenix. It's terrible.

It's awful. It's a beige hellhole. It's awful. It's hot. Everything's dead always. It's shit. It's winter right now. It's fucking hot.

I'm not saying anything about your place that we wouldn't say about ours. As one of the groups it's accredited by is the Adventist Accrediting Association. Jesus. Which I don't know what the fuck you need to have to have that. How do you get to Adventist Accrediting Agency? So you just have to be- Association, AAA.

Right. So you just have to be part of the Adventist. That's it. You have to be part of it. Well, yeah, you have to- And they're basically the weirder Scientology, which is crazy. I don't think that's what they are.

No? No, I don't think they're Scientologists. Are you sure? No, no. Seventh-day Adventists. They're a different thing. Oh, it's a different thing. Yeah, yeah.

They're just as weird. Everyone's weird. Yes. They're just as weird. Yes. Yes. Yes. We'll just say no offense to Seventh-day Adventists.

Actually, I don't know what the fuck you believe even. So how am I going to apologize to you? I don't even know what you believe in. They're weird. You seem odd to me. I don't know. Let's just say that. But hey, you know what the fuck you believe even. So how am I going to apologize to you? I don't even know what you believe in. They're weird. You seem odd to me. I don't know. Let's just say that. But hey, you know what?

Like we said, everyone's odd. Right. I haven't met anyone who is religious or not religious who I found to be not odd. To be completely normal. It's fine. Right. So this guy here, he goes to this La Sierra. He spent a year as a student missionary in Micronesia first before that.

So I think that's part. This guy's amazing that. So I think that's part of the deal. He wants an adventure. So he's like, we can do missionary work in Micronesia. Is that near Indonesia? It's by Majornesia. Minusculenesia. It's right in there. Yeah, it's a Southeast Asian country.

So yeah, he goes over there to do student missionary work. So he likes adventure is what it is. So he's going there. Now he goes over there to do student missionary work so he likes adventure yeah is what it is so he's going there now he goes to college he's a biology major like we said by the way i don't know if he had this problem but la sierra has been the subject of controversy due to its students low uh exam rates uh exam uh passing of exam rates and the high levels of student debt after graduation really so apparently if you go here you'll owe them a shitload of money and you won't be able to get a fucking job. You won't be able to do anything. But you'll probably know a lot of Seventh Day Adventist shit.

I'm sure you'll know that whole story better than we do. He's studying biology. At the time, he meets somebody. He meets a lady. Oh. He meets a lady. He's about 24 years old at this point. He meets a 21-year-old lady who is a young lady who's also going to the college.

He meets 21 year old Jane and Lim is her name. She's an Asian girl of some kind. She's from the US, but she's like. So I'm thinking he's like exotic, too. And he spent some time in Asia like this. You know, he's one of those guys. He's an adventurous guy. I feel like he has a mustache, which he does in his picture. Does he? Yeah, it's not his fault. It's the 80s.

I mean, everyone had a mustache, but I feel like there's a mustache. I feel like there's an animal print carpet somewhere in his bedroom. He's got a car with a big bird on fire on the hood. Whether it's a firebird or not, it's got the bird there. But he's got it. Yeah, I feel like he's getting it on. He's like, and he's like, I only like Asian girls. That's his thing.

He's like, yeah, I don't know. I've been to the tiniest Nesha there is. You don't even know about the tiny Nesha I've been to. So tiny. You've never even seen this Nesha. This could be called speck-a-nesha. It was just so tiny. You could blow it away.

It's the smallest Nesha ever. Tiniest. Pinpoint Nesha. She's also a student, like we said. She's in the physical therapy program. So they're both kind of in, you know, he's in biology, physical therapy. I mean, they're not the same, but I guess it's sort of the same sphere. It's health.

It's not, yeah, it's not, you know, math and English. They cover it all in health class. Yeah, it's in the same I'm sure if there was a big building that they did that they'd be in the same building. Couple doors down. You know, I don't know. First floor, second floor, whatever. Hey, everybody.

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She grew up in California, too, just like him. She's an only child, this Jane. She's got some issues emotionally a little bit. Nothing huge, but she didn't get along with her mother very well, had some issues with mom. And a lot of girls have this, too, from what I've seen, teenage girls. I always hear this from women who are like, oh, Jesus, teenage girls. They hate their mothers from this time. girls, I always hear this from women who are like, oh, Jesus, teenage girls, they hate their mothers from this time.

It's always the thing they say is like teenage girls like their fathers when they're teenagers, they hate their mothers. And then later on, they figure out that they become friends with their mothers and blah, blah, blah. Then they get along. That's kind of the typical thing, I guess. But here it was a little more than that. Jane was very upset by how critical her mother was of her.

And it's everything, too. It wasn't just, you know, your grades aren't good enough. It was this lady was a tiger mom in a bad way. You know what I mean? She was on top of everything. She criticized her for her clothes. She criticized her for the way she walked, her grades, everything. I can already see it.

Yeah. You're going out on that. Yeah, just attacking, but like aggressive and Asian at the same time. Oh, Jesus. So you got to look see it. Every, yeah. You're going out on that. Yeah, and just, and yeah, just attacking, but like aggressive and Asian at the same time. Oh, Jesus. So you got to look

at it that way too. You're dishonoring the family. Yeah, I'm sure. That's again, we apologize. I don't know. Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Jackson,

my partner, Andrew Jackson. I know exactly what you mean. But if someone isolated that one 10 seconds of this show they'd be like god those two guys are dicks what is that guy's problem what is wrong with those two assholes he agreed with him and he didn't even correct him jesus christ he said yeah probably that was the other guy's response yeah probably i'm sure that's what it was oh man just yelling at her so i always

picture whenever i picture an uh picture an an older Asian woman yelling at their daughter, I picture Margaret Cho's stand-up act of her mother yelling at her. That's all I can imagine ever. I saw that when I was a kid. So anyway, like I said, she's an only child, and her mother is just going to mold her like a little lump of clay dough. A lump of clay dough? Play dough.

Play dough. Clay dough is the worst things out there like a syphilitic dick tail she's gonna make her it's gonna be beautiful clay dough also say milk or pillow fuck you stop saying that those are not that's not a word and stop mispronouncing spaghetti on purpose stop that if i hear an adult say paschetti i'm punching the fucking throat i swear to god i will choke you down that's amazing you're going the fuck down so uh jane basically just she tried to get through it with her mother just tried to get out of her say as people do when they kind of have an overbearing parent like that

she liked her dad uh her dad was very nice to her and it's usually that yeah well that i'm sure that the the her mom was overrunning the father. Sounds like she's in charge of the household and she's telling everyone what to do and how to do it and when to do it. And then when mom goes away, dad says, I know you're sad. I understand. I'm with you.

Let's go get ice cream. Right. So she loves dad. Let's calm down. Yeah, I know. What a bitch, right? Jesus, that one, right? Oh, boy.

You believe I'm married to her? It's just cheaper to keep her. Grounded, grounded, whatever. Let's get ice cream. Yeah, you have no idea. She would savage me in divorce court. Savage me. Super aggressive.

See how mean she is to you? Think about what she would do to my checkbook. Oh, super aggressive. I'm telling you. You think we're Asian? She's even more aggressive and Asian. Trust me. She will fly a plane into our own house.

That's right. Just to make sure. That's how it got. Okay, we've gone. We obviously did that on purpose because we obviously so there you go that's the end of that we won't make fun of asians for the rest of the show we promise we promise we promise so all right and this is i i know people like like you can totally tell you know people like this yeah too like of course i know i remember

knowing kids like this i know white women like this so many my grandmother is like this yeah too like of course i know i remember knowing kids like this i know white women like this so many my grandmother is like this yeah my grandmother's 100 like this oh my god she and this is kind of both of them yeah but mainly uh italian grandma mainly nazis won't rate me grandma she was aggressive with this shit like with everything she everybody mainly how they look what's wrong with you what are you thinking why are you looking like that? She'll just tell them like, like to this day, she'll tell my mother, she'll go, Ma, you look fat today. She'll just say it. You're like, what the fuck is that? I don't say that to people.

My mother's like 60 years old. She's like, you look fat today. Thanks, Ma. But she doesn't care. Yeah. She'll say, oh, Ma, what's wrong with you? Why do you look so terrible? Like things like that.

But not, are you sick? She'll be like, oh, what are you doing? She's just saying you look tired. You just look terrible. And if you're a man, she'll blame your wife because she hasn't. Has she been cooking? Do you have enough food? It's her job.

Yeah, I can get food. It's like I'm a plant. Unbelievable. Has she been giving you the miracle grow in the water? My God, Jesus Christ, man. That's crazy with her. She's nuts. I want her to make me

rigatoni gosh you'd love it you'd love it it's great you want her to to do anything because she's hilarious she's hilarious i'll tell you a story at one point about when they rented my grandmother a porn which is probably the greatest thing ever i've ever do you want to hear it now i'm sorry sidetrack for one moment yeah i'm grandma with if you don't care about my 90 year old italian grandmother watching a porn and her reaction to it then move on in about a minute but otherwise lock and load because this is fucking terrific uh she asked my aunt to rent her this was like 15 years ago and he'd still rent things and shit she said will you rent me uh a movie she said will you ma will you get me a nice mother the romance she went when she says romance yeah she means like a 1960s like gone with the wind god damn it with like a you know a

big score and two people kissing by an ocean at the end that's what she wants that's a romance to her uh my aunt thinks that it's like a wink wink. Like she wants a wink wink romance. What's the matter with your aunt? That's a whole. How does she go? You want romance? I know what you want.

She thought it was a wink. Like the romance. She's like, oh, she wants a romance. And she didn't even get her like a, you know, like nine and a half weeks or something from the 80s with some tit in it. She gets her, she brings her a porn, an actual porn that just opens with a guy with his cock out, you know, not like, there's no story. It's just, here's two people fucking, here's two more people fucking, here's three people fucking.

Hope you enjoyed our movie. Like, that's, that's, that's what it is, right? Oh, my God. My grandmother doesn't realize this. She puts it in. She just plays it. She's like, oh, nice movie. Now, I don't know how long it took her to realize that this was not, you know.

This isn't James Cameron. This isn't some sweeping romantic thing. But she watched the movie. Oh, my God. She watched the whole movie. The whole goddamn thing. And then told us about it. And she said, and her take from the whole thing was, she said, I can't believe you do that.

My wife, with the people, oh, it's so dirty and blah, blah, blah. She says, but I noticed one thing. One thing I noticed. She said, my grandmother's from another country. She came here when she was 16. She's probably seen two penises in her whole life. You know what I mean? Like, she's not well-versed in dick, my grandmother.

She met my grandfather. They got married. Like, she's just not whatever. So she hasn't seen a lot of dick, apparently. And she said, in the movie, there was a black man she said and his thing it just look it looked different than than what i've seen it looked very different and we said was bigger ha ha ha she said yeah but no she said it was the it was shiny like the skin of the seal so shiny like the skin of this like the skin of the seal shiny She said, shiny like the skin of the seal.

Shiny it was. Really? That's your takeaway from the porn? I don't know. So did you like the movie? No, I don't like that stuff. She really took notes on a black guy's dick. She said it is shiny like seals.

Like the skin of a seal. Does she think it's like super oily? Not ruddy like the skin of a seal. Does she think it's like super oily? Not ruddy like the skin of a seal itself, but shiny like, I don't know, like she saw it that way. It was shiny. And I'm like, that's really racist and sort of progressive at the same time. I don't mind seeing the black dick, but let me comment on the look of it. It was very strange. Anyway, sorry. But it was different from all the ones look of it. It was very strange. Anyway, sorry.

But it was different from all the ones I've seen. It was different from all the ones I've seen. And she was overbearing and still is like this and still tells everybody what to do and that they look fat and everything else. She sat through the whole fucking thing. Through the whole thing. Like as a study, I'm sure. You know, just like, I don't know about this.

Look at this one. I'm sure she was judging all the like, I don't know about this. Look at this one. I'm sure she was judging all the women, too. I take note. Look at her. Look. Right in the ass. No. Why, yo?

You have to make them buy you something first. You know she did. Jotting shit down. Her hair. She looked fat. I have to. I'm going to talk to her mother. She's no good.

Unbelievable. So Jane, on the other hand, was not in any pornography that I know of. You never know what people do in their spare time. Like we said, her dad was there. She also made a lot of friends. She's very outgoing. People like Jane. Yeah.

She's outgoing. She makes friends easy, that sort of thing. Jane Lim, correct? Jane Lim at this point. She knows her mother's a little crazy, so she's just kind of going with that and just being like, my mom's a little crazy. I'll get the hell out of here. Who knows where the hell she came from.

Like my grandmother, she came from an insane environment. So I'm like, yeah, obviously she's crazy. She's actually more sane than she should be, honestly, if you think about it. So it's like, that's fine. We would be. If my fear growing up is being forcibly raped by a soldier by nazis but yeah by nazis not just a soldier fucking nazis occupying nazis i don't know that i could ever uh envision sex being fun no not to mention she's like uh you know second youngest of 10 uh you know all that sort of thing and she's

watching out for other other children in her family. The men had to, like, run to the hills for Mussolini and shit. It's fucking nuts. Like, that's a completely crazy way to fucking live. I can't even imagine. So, you know, that sort of thing. Anyway, she feels the same way. Who knows how my mom grew up, the whole deal.

Anyway, 1983, she graduated, and she got right the hell out of here and goes to Riverside, goes to La Sierra College to kind of just get away from mom for a minute. And it's that thing where it's close enough she could drive home, but it's not close enough to where mom would. She can't come home on the way. Right. You know, you can't just stop by. Exactly. So it's like it's enough distance.

You know, it's that sort of thing here. It's an elbow room between us. Exactly. Exactly. She was interested in the physical therapy. She did all that. She wanted to be like a sports related physical therapist. That sort of thing is what she was

into. Really good in school. I will not make an Asian joke about this but very, very good academically. Very good socially. Just having a good time in school doing her thing. She meets Scott. Scott likes her a lot but

isn't real aggressive with her. He plays it cool because she's kind of very social and he doesn't want to be like, you know, hey, you want to be my girlfriend? She's like, I'm just hanging out. He didn't call her a spinner or some shit. Yeah, he was just like, I'm going to be cool for a little bit. I'm going to lay back on everything and, you know, let her come to

me. He threw the word babe into conversation somehow. For sure. Yeah. And she was like, I kind of like that with that mustache. That's so sweet how he called me babe. If he didn't have the firebird, I wouldn't be into it. But that firebird and the mustache. That's what makes babe tolerable. And the babe together.

It's kind of good. It's kind of fucking good. I got to be honest with you. And he flips that fucking scarf. He's still wearing the scarf. Oh, man. He's still wearing it. Always wearing the scarf.

Why are you wearing that? Listen, babe. Listen, babe. Check it out. This is my fishing scarf. Don't worry about it. It Listen, babe. Listen, babe. Check it out. This is my fish and scarf. Don't worry about it. It's all right. Listen, babe.

I love it. Babe. So they hung out. They'd go on campus. They'd hang out. They were like friends, basically. And he liked her like every male-female friend couple. The man wants to have sex with her.

Of course. Obviously. Unless there's the opposite of physical attraction and she's buying him things. Either one. Someone's buying somebody something in that if there's an unattractive. Right. If there's a non-balance attractiveness. There's a benefit in every relationship.

There's something. Right. So that sort of thing. He's wanting to get close to her and she just thinks he's a nice guy. That's great. So that seems to be the benefit. However, though, they hang out a lot and they do their thing and it shit gets – progresses, you know, and they start to actually kind of, you know, be together and sort of be boyfriend-girlfriend. Working out.

Everything's working out when it comes to that. He's got her as a girlfriend. Scott and Jane are an item here. He kind of loses interest in school, though. That's the thing here. He doesn't really give a shit about school anymore, which is strange because it's in 86. It's like his third year in school. He's like a junior.

I don't know if he had bad grades. It wasn't on pace. I don't want to say rate. That's not the right word. On pace to graduate. So he just decides in 86 he's going to drop out of school. That's not good. Drops out of school in 86.

You put three years in and you're going to drop out now? Yeah, you're going to drop out. His parents are pissed. Oh, I'm sure. Number one, because they're paying. They just paid for three years of nothing. For nothing. Thanks a lot, asshole.

And number two, they want him to finish his fucking school work because they're good parents and they want him to goddamn have a decent life and, you know, whatever. If your kid goes to three years of college, you're like, just, Jesus. Just finish.

One more. What's the problem? I'll take you to class. Just finish. God damn it. But Scott, like I said, he was like, please, somebody bomb Pearl Harbor because I got to get the fuck out of here. Like he wanted an adventure.

And in the 80s, there wasn't much adventure to be had. It's not like it was the 1880s. You could be like, I'm going to head out to Deadwood. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to go sit down at Al Swearengen's place at the gym. We're going to slang back a drink here. You're not going to get any of this shit again. God damn it.

I got into this one so much. Fucking. Jesus, Jimmy. I can't talk about Seth Bullock and Swearengin getting together to figure out what's going on with the Bella Union. I can't talk about anything like that. And I have every one of them and they're yours. Oh, I can't talk about Charlie Utter kicking the shit out of the guy in the street who

killed the prostitutes. I can't talk about anything with you, Jimmy. It was the most beautiful thing in the world. He kicked him right in the ass right there. Put him in the I can't talk about anything with you, Jimmy. It was the most beautiful thing in the world. He kicked him right in the ass, right down, put him in the mud, beat his ass good. It was excellent. It was amazing. It really was. It was as good as when Omar turns his shotgun on someone who won't tell him where the stash is,

and they say, I don't know where it is. And he goes, really? And points his gun down at their knee. And if they tell him that it's fine, but if they shrug, he goes, all right, boom, and shoots their kneecap off. That's gangster shit. That's what he says. And then they go, all right, it's up there. He doesn't even say shit that's what he says and then they go all right it's up there it's this thing he just he doesn't even say shit he

just points at it like hmm yeah want a knee anymore it's perfect so that's the same type of thing things you don't understand is what i'm getting at it makes sense though that's a good place to aim it it is a good place uh scott it's perfect yeah it makes people think about it and if it's omar in front of you go he will shoot he will shoot. He's known for this. He is not. This is his MO. This is what everyone has said. There's several people limping around due to this very procedure here. So, yeah, I think it's not good. So Scott here, he decides where he's going to go.

This isn't the Old West. You can't go out there. There's no more Gem Saloon. Where are you going to go? The closest thing he can find, Sitka, Alaska. That's where he ends up. He did some research. He did some research.

He said, where am I going? Which is hard. No internet back then. He had to get pamphlets and shit. This guy was at the library looking through encyclopedias under A for adventure. Like, I don't know. Alaska's there, too. He had to pass Alaska on the way to adventure.

He passed adventure. He had to pass adventure and then got right to Alaska and was like, that's where I'm going. So he said, fuck, I'll keep going in here. Maybe I'll figure something out. Well, he hit Alabama first. Yeah, he was like, that looks like shit. And he's like, Alaska, though. That's not bad.

So he goes there, gets a job immediately as a commercial fisherman. Beautiful. Which is tough work. Oh, it's so tough. But I think it's tough. It sounds brutal, and I don't want to do it at all. It's the fucking, it's the deadliest catch. It's up there.

Yeah, but he, that's, yeah, he's not like one of those out, deep ocean crab fishermen, but he's still a commercial fisherman. Seems like a tough job. But if you're a young guy, you're 24, you're looking for adventure, then who knows? I mean, I'm sure he likes to go out and party with the guys after work, and it's a good time. I mean, I guess that if that's what you're into, it seems like, like I said, it seems like he probably should have joined the army. Like, I think he would have had fun with that.

Like, I think he would have liked it. He might've been, you know. Vandy Camp commercials does not look glorious to me. You know what I mean? You're right. That old man looks beaten. He looks, yeah. The Gorton's fisherman does not look good.

Yeah. He doesn't look good. Horrific. No, he's got a ray. He looks like the raincoat's the only thing holding him up. He's like, fuck, I'm going to die. That guy's 27, by the way. Yeah, he is.

He's 27 years old. That's what Scott will look like after three years of commercial fishing. It's very sad. It's very, very sad. It's unbelievable. Then he worked at a pulp mill, the Alaska Pulp Corp, which sounds terrible. It's logging, right? Yeah, logging pulp.

And then he worked at a cannery, which sounds like you would smell like shit when you got out of there, at the Sitka Sound Se seafoods cannery and he canned shit that's depressing no so he went from car this is an adventure yeah working at a cannery is not fucking adventure you know what i mean i stayed in college man yeah that's what it is it's very strange here uh it's and it's all the jobs he's doing are you know a little dangerous they're kind of hard they're all labor jobs and you know maybe you should you know go back to college but he's doing are a little dangerous. They're kind of hard. They're all labor jobs. And maybe you should go back to college. Stick it out.

He's making decent money while he's doing it, though, because those jobs pay decent. You have to be able to do them, and it's hard to do that. They pay decent. People say it a lot, that college is a waste of time. If you want a good, rewarding career, get a trade job. It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. Keep that in mind. It's fucking hard work.

But you'll have a – like this. If you're a tough guy like this, get a trade job. It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. Keep that in mind. It's fucking hard work, but you'll have a like this. If you're a tough guy like this, get a trade job. If you can stick it out for three years of college, just stick it out for one more. It's tough. And don't do this shit. That's what they want you to fucking do. That's what they want you to do. That's what mom and dad want you to do. You can only get paid for the time you

work if you do that. So you never fucking you have to fucking slave for it people who are wealthy don't get depend on oh i worked 40 hours this week this is how much money i made working that they make they're sitting on their ass somewhere while their money is being made doing right never mind building yeah these people are working their balls off people never so i'm i'm angry and i'm standing up for the four cannery workers here because i'm pissed off about that so anyway uh he goes there he's in sitka and he actually didn't do much research on it either he just heard from someone that sitka was a cool place where he could get a job yeah and it was beautiful and it was an adventure and you want

to be a commercial fisherman and all this shit and he was like fuck yeah and he just did it just went let's do it so he goes there jane stays though because she's finishing her degree and and you want to be a commercial fisherman and all this shit. And he was like, fuck yeah. And he just did it. Just went. Let's do it. So he goes there. Jane stays, though, because she's finishing her degree. And she's like, yeah, I'm going to finish school. I'm going to stay in Riverside, as shitty as that is. You go do that.

So she stays. She actually finishes her degree because she's got a complete shit that she does. She's one of those people. Her mom will beat her ass. She still hears mom in her head, I'm sure. They keep in touch while he's up there, though. That's great. They keep in touch. They correspond.

They call. They write. The whole deal. They're just having, apparently it's working out long distance even. They're planning on being together when she graduates. The whole deal. She graduates in summer of 87. Scott comes home to California from Alaska to go to the graduation.

This is the story your grandmother wanted to watch. This is what she wanted. She wanted them to kiss in front of the ocean and put the mountain behind them in Sitka. Some black dick's going to dangle in a frame. That's what's going to happen. That's what she got. But this is what she wanted to see.

It gets even more romantic. Not only is she down there, they're in California. They have a big thing. It's her graduation. After that, he asked her to marry him. So this is getting sweet, isn't it? It's perfect. This is downright adorable, these two.

I'm happy for them right now. It's unbelievable. They're doing well. She said yes. Ah. Of course she did. College sweethearts that met that have similar interests. They even were apart. This is the thing, too. They weren't just like, oh, they live together and stay together all the time.

They think they need to get married. They actually had space. Thousands of miles of space. Thousands of miles to be away from each other to think, do I really like that person? And they said, fuck, I can't wait for them to get back. All I do is miss this person. She gave me so much time to miss her. I legitimately miss her.

You would think this is a relationship that's going to last right here and do well forever. These two lock just rock solid, right? So she accepts, like we said, accepts this proposal and heads off with him to Sitka. Okay. To start her life. Yeah. Apparently, like I remember I said, there's a lot of healthcare jobs there, which was odd.

That's what she's doing. She's a physical therapist. So this is a great place for her to go to get a job. These people are always sore. Yeah, this is to get experience because they need people up there. So if you go up there, you're going to get a job. And that's where you have something on your resume. And now you can go wherever you want and get a job.

So I assume the job market for that sort of thing is probably a little tougher in California. I probably more competition. Yeah, I'm sure there's more competition. So she goes there. They get married. How sweet. They get married in Sitka on October 24th, 1987. Okay.

There's the romance. Swelling music. My grandmother's crying. She's got a tear. My beautiful. My look at these nice people. An Alaskan sunset in the background. It's so orange.

What is that? That's shiny. It's coming. Oh, it is a seal. Never mind. It's in the background of the water. It's so orange. Oh, what is that? That's shiny. It's coming. Oh, it is a seal. Never mind. It's in the background of the water. I thought it was. Never mind.

Never mind. Oh, no. I don't know. That is seal. It is a seal, Beck. That's no. Okay. I'm scarred from seeing.

So I found this. The only reason I know when they got married was because I found it in the newspaper from there. In the Daily Sitka Sentinel. They announced it. From that date. There was a wedding announcement in there. In case you're wondering also, in case you're in Sitka, Alaska in 1986 or 1987,

there is in the paper right next to that a wanted to buy, this is a Dr. Roy Klotz, MD, is looking to pay $600 each for 1923, 24, 26, 27, 29, or 1931 Alaska license plates. Also, someone there is offering compass adjusting. No price stated, but I'm sure it's very reasonable. How do you adjust a compass? I never knew you could. That's why I wrote that down, because I'm like, I didn't know you could adjust a compass. Someone, you can apparently adjust it so much that they advertise for it in the newspaper. I don't know.

Don't you have to change the fucking North Pole to do that? Nope. Not at all. Right there. You're good. How do you adjust? Nope. Work it right out.

That sounds crazy. You have to be that far north, I guess. I don't know. She goes up there, finds jobs very easily. There's two big hospitals up there. There's all sorts of stuff up there for her. So she does well. Everything's going great. But it's not perfect.

It's not perfect. There's problems. She's working toward her physical therapy license. So she's got a, you know, she's looking for full-time jobs. She's taking things she can in the medical field to get her experience and that sort of thing. Scott, though, is not finding his way. He's not finding that something to grasp onto.

He's just kind of floating around. He has a lot of short-term jobs. And apparently this is common for this area because people are like – they come up there. They're not like a fisherman by nature. They're not like a fisherman by birth. They're not like a fisherman by birth. They're not Portuguese or anything. So they're like, you know, I don't know why we took a shot at the Portuguese, but I know they fish in Portugal a lot.

That's a big thing there. So, you know, he's not like that. So they might go up there and be like, I'm a commercial fisherman. I don't like commercial fishing. I'll try the pulp mill. I don't know about that. I'll try the cannery. So just trying to find his way.

So he would work somewhere, you know, a little bit. People go up there seasonally. And that's the cannery. So just trying to find his way. So he would work somewhere a little bit. People go up there seasonally. And that's the other thing, too. If you go up on one of these like a crab boat, they do that because then they're off for a few months. They go make a bunch of money doing that. If they don't die, they can go live on it and have a few months off, which I understand. That sounds wonderful to do, but you might go overboard and die. He's really just kind of laid back, too, and kind of free spirited. He got the mill, the pulp mill he worked at. He got fired for smoking weed on the job.

My man. On the job. Like, you know, come on, dude. You can't smoke at work. I like him. Yeah, you can't smoke at work, dude. Like, that's, they call him free, everyone calls him free spirited. Oh, Christ.

That's a little more than free spirited. Like, you're smoking at, and not to mention, that sounds like there's a lot of machinery and shit going on. Yeah, that's dangerous as fuck. That's not a smoke weed while you're there kind of job. That's not free spirited. That's stupid. You get home and fucking smoke your brains out. I get it. You work at a pulp mill, but

while you're there, calm down a little bit. Keep your head in the game, Dickie. Relax. It's kind of rough. By the beginning of 88, I mean, they've only been married a few months here, and already things are getting a little bit rocky. It's tough. They live in a trailer on the edge of town, is how it's described. I imagine that's what a lot of things are up there for people that don't have half a

million dollars to buy a place. That's the thing. He's transient jobs. She's trying to get a license. They don't have a lot of money. So they live in a trailer at the edge of town, is not the dream somebody that calls himself a free spirit i i picture them living in a trailer they're just kind of a fuck up usually they're just kind of a fuck up and they're like how can i how can i reconcile my fuck uppery and by the way that's not mutually

exclusive for men but if you're a woman and you call yourself a free spirit oh you're a nightmare you are a problem that's what you are if you're a, you're just a complete fucking ne'er-do-well degenerate. And if you're a woman, you're going to be someone I don't want to hang out with. Yeah, not in the way he just said it either. That's not what we're talking about. Everything in your life is loose. Everything. You don't hold a job.

No. Your relationships are a goddamn mess. And your children all have different fathers. They all have different fathers and they all blame you for it. Right. And they hold a job. No. Your relationships are a goddamn mess. Third disaster. And your children all have different fathers. They all have different fathers. If you're a free spirit, that's right. And they all blame you for it. That's what that's about. And they all hate you.

Yeah, that's the issue here. Congratulations, you free spirit. You're out. But you have multiple kiddie pools at your house, like three of them in your yard. Why? There's so many. One for you, one for the kids, one with the dogs in. One for the dogs, for sure.

Very strange. This trailer, by the way, it's not even a nice trailer. It's like a shit. Really? It's like they're squatting. Squaller. Almost. Yeah, it's like they're squatters living in squaller.

That's pretty much what it is. It's just, so this isn't like, hey, this is going to be a great adventure. It's like, we're living in a shit. We could do this in Riverside. She's like, I've got a college degree. What are we doing? We could live in a trailer in Riverside super easy. There's lots of them, so it's fine.

So this is tough. But they try to stick it out. They go down to San Diego in February of 88 and have a formal church ceremony. My man. A big wedding. They remarry. Again, they have a big deal. I guess that's supposed to try to make things better.

It really doesn't. Rita Covill, who's Scott's mother, and we'll hear from her a lot, she said that Scott told her that they always argued. They argued a lot. He described them as, quote, fire and ice. Like, they're just, yeah, they're hot, they're cold. One of those passionate kind of relationships. I like it.

And they're young and they're a little crazy. Sure. You know, they're free spirit. Right. That sort of thing here. You know how it is here. I like young, hot, cold relationships. So those can be exciting and fun.

Those can be fun, but you usually shouldn't marry unless you marry them. That's the problem. Move to a remote trailer in the middle of nowhere with them. So down there, though, they took a four-day trip down there. You know, so they had a good time with their friends. Everything looked fine. You know, they have the big party. They have a good time with their friends. Everything looked fine. They have the big party. They have a good time.

Sure. The whole deal here. So by March 1988, this is less than a month later, they come back after they're married here. And they get a phone call. Scott's parents do. This is Rita, the mother. They get a phone call from Jane and Scott just out of nowhere here. And they have – this is so weird that they would do that.

I guess it shows that he has a close relationship with his parents. But they call the parents to say that they've had a big fight. Okay. And they wanted to talk to us. And, like, they were, like, passing the phone back and forth. He was talking to his mom. Then she would talk to the mom. They'd talk to the dad.

They're having, like, a big conference. Horrible. We had a huge fight. Help us talk this through like like they treated their parents like therapists it was super sounds like scott's parents have a good relationship and yeah like super hey scott you can tell me anything yeah he was like they sat him down on the pad he's like listen champ right you can tell me anything and he believed it scott was like okay remember when i told you i beat off into a sock dad i was just gonna say help me with my marriage yes can you help me with my marriage those two things are really close they perfectly very similar very very similar here like san diego and lincoln same

thing you know what i mean same exact thing here uh so they get a call here they're but they're it's so strange here scott's mother says that she never found out what triggered the fight, but just that the fight spun out of control. They didn't say – she said it was super weird. Like, they called like they were just calling. Like, hey, but she could tell, like, they wanted to talk about something. Like, well, what the fuck do you want, basically? What is your problem? And then they were like, oh, and then they went into this big thing about the fight.

Rita – Jane told Rita that she's very unhappy with marriage uh apparently jane told rita quote oh i didn't think marriage would be hard uh she told her like i thought it would just be great fucking idiot which is she's 23 years old i mean that's someone who's 23 years old yeah 23 years old you're an idiot pretty much and no offense if you're 23 because i was a complete moron and i still am and And I'm well older than 23. Well, well above 23, still an idiot. So don't feel bad. You'll come out of it before I will probably.

It's not easy. That's a tough road. Yeah. For two people, especially if they're free spirits. Right. And if they're going to move away and only have each other and not, you know, even have family or their normal friends or their normal life that they kind of got together in. It's a very, that's a very, you've got to really be super fucking compatible. She expected – the mother said – Rita said that her expectation of marriage was that it would be, quote, happy, happy, happy.

That's what she thought. Rita said that both her and Scott's father gave them advice. They said it's more like a compromise. You have to be realistic. You don't just go to the church and then it's happily ever after. That's not how it worked. You know, that sort of thing. And she said that it seemed to calm them down and make it so like, hey, everything doesn't like their thing.

It seems like from their fight was like, it's not perfect. It's not. It's supposed to be perfect. And it's not. So it's terrible. And they were like, hey, good days and bad. You know what I mean? Fucking relax. Marriage is like having a they were like, hey, good days and bad. You know what I mean? Fucking relax.

Marriage is like having a two-year-old kid here. Good days and bad days. You know? Good days and bad days. Sometimes he shits in the toilet. Other times he rubs it on your pillow. That's it. Sometimes he just comes up and puts your weight right through the TV like your son,

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You want to talk about it, we'll help you through it. The whole deal, everybody seemed happier. They realized, oh, okay, maybe we're just expecting too much here. The parents said they can remember me when they were first married. Everybody's like that. It's hard. You fight. You're trying to adjust to being married.

Life together. Like we said, too, in Alaska, that's not easy. That's not the same as if they lived in San Diego or something. It's like being forced on a fucking island. It's like Survivor. Being married and secluded from everything like that. That's crazy.

It's a crazy thing to do, honestly. You really got to know how to be married and really give a shit about this person. You have to have a system built. Like, okay, when you're mad, I go over here. When I do this, you do that. You need to have those little...

Otherwise, it's going to really go bad really fast. It is. Marriage is like having a bunch of people on a submarine. If there's any trouble at all, people can't just stop and go, like, what do we do now? You'll fucking drown and die. You'll be like, fuck it, I'm walking. Everyone's got, I got to go turn this big thing and open the hatch and you get the thing here and seal off the deal. Everyone's got to know exactly what they're doing right away or else your ass is dead.

It's a mess. You're fucked. There's a lot of pressure down there. It will crush your skull. Crush it like a grape. And that's marriage. And that's marriage. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Yes. So Scott doesn't call them for the next few weeks. So after that, they expect, oh, maybe we'll hear from them more. And they don't hear from them at all. It goes. Come April, April 12th, to be exact, it's Scott's 26th birthday. And Scott's mother, Rita, obviously calls him. She can't get a hold of him.

She calls him. She said the phone just rang and rang and rang. She said, who knows? Who the hell knows? She said they worried a little bit, but they were more concerned about the marriage. They were more concerned that, like, they had a fight and he took off somewhere and, you know, he's up in the mountains somewhere hanging out by himself to get away from her. That's the type of thing.

They thought, and she said, Rita said, she thought at first, quote, okay, they probably just had a fight and he left. That's what they're thinking. Everything's fine. That was April 12th. April 14th, he didn't show, but it doesn't say this in the paper. There's notices in the paper of who's supposed to appear in court today. Okay.

It's even for like traffic violations. Really? It's a whole paragraph. This person for failure to have a turn signal. This person for that. It's crazy how nosy these fucking people are up here. So much so that in the April 14th Daily Sitka Sentinel, I found that Scott was supposed to appear in court that day for a speeding ticket.

Oh, Jesus. And didn't appear apparently. Also, also, in case you're interested, the Chinook Alaska Brewing and Bottling Company that day just shipped their first hundred cases of beer to Japan. All right. So there's that I found in the paper also. So the next time her mother calls, or next time Rita calls his mother, the number's disconnected. It rings and rings and rings, and then doo-doo-doo, the number you call.

She's like, what the fuck? Disconnected. A day later? No, this was like a few days later. Yeah, she figured he ran away. She gave him a few. Scott's one of these guys who'll go kind of off on his own for a minute. He's a free spirit.

He's a free spirit. So they're like, give him a week and we'll figure it out. He's fine. You know what I mean? She gets a hold of one of Scott's friends in Alaska, Rita does. And this guy tells Rita that he hasn't seen Scott since April. This was in the beginning of May. And that when he did see Scott, that Scott hadn't mentioned leaving Alaska or going on another adventure or anything like that.

May comes along, like we said. And for Mother's Day, Rita gets a card in the mail from Scott, presumably. The card is signed, Love, Jane and Scott. Sounds great. But it's in Jane's handwriting. And it's postmarked from San Bernardino, California, which is odd. By the way, her family, Lim's family, Jane's family is from San Bernardino, California. So that makes sense.

Or near San Bernardino, I'm sorry. Like the Redlands area? Yeah. She thought, Rita thinks, okay, well, maybe they took a trip down there. Who knows? Maybe they went out and just went out on an adventure. that bastard came home and didn't call me he didn't call me that son of a bitch who knows if they packed their shit up and just left and didn't tell anybody but they were like what the fuck we live in california too maybe you can call us yeah

and like you know what the hell you know i don't always know what you're doing but maybe you could fill me in on things like i don't know if you're coming to the state that we're in and you are from alaska jane doesn't report him missing. Jane doesn't, you know, she doesn't contact. There's no record of her contacting. Hey, have you seen Scott with the friends or anything like that? No. She just goes on.

And the parents say they didn't know half the things that went on in Scott's life. And that was just the way he was. Rita says that she doesn't think substance abuse was an issue for Scott. Like, because that's right away. Is he a drug guy? Is he, you that's right away. Is he a drug guy? Is he in trouble? Is he a gambler? When people disappear, who knows?

Did he take off to run away from people? She said he didn't do drugs. He didn't drink to excess. He smoked a little weed now and then, especially when he's working at the pulp mill. I think you smoke a little more than a little weed if you're getting busted for smoking weed at the sawmill while you're working. You've got to be super stoned.

I feel like you're probably more of a stoner than that, but I'm not going to hold that against him. That's fine. He's not a meth head. He's not robbing people or stabbing anybody, so that's fine. I'm fine with it. She said that Rita said, quote, I kept calling maybe once a week, but nobody answered. She sent a check to Scott for his birthday that hadn't been cashed. And so it was like, what the fuck?

You know what I mean? Why wouldn't he cash a check? I know like what the fuck you know what i mean why wouldn't he cash a check i know he needs money he lives in a shit trailer then she finally got the disconnected notice at the one point when she called so then she calls the police finally yeah this is two months later this is the mom the mother rita calls police she said she thought she told the police maybe that he need quote needed to get away from everybody and think things through because she said they had some marital problems uh but then she grew a little suspicious when she heard that, like, Jane, he's been gone. Right.

Jane hasn't talked to him. She hasn't looked for him. She didn't report him missing. It's very odd. And the mother said, quote, to me, it didn't seem like new wife behavior or even old wife behavior. No, it's no wife behavior. Even if she hates you, she might want to know if you're dead in a ditch somewhere. Where are you, asshole?

So she reports him missing. This is May 30th, 1988. She reports him missing. It wasn't unusual. The cops didn't even take it that seriously. They were like, he's a guy who moved up here. We heard he's a free spirit. He's a free spirit. We went to the sawmill. We know he smokes weed.

So they were like, oh, like half the people that come here, he probably blew town and fucking he's, you know, who knows where by now. He might be in Wyoming somewhere trying to be a cowboy now. We have no goddamn idea. Who knows? Who knows? He wanted to be a fisherman.

Now he's going to be a cowboy. He'll be a fireman next week. We never know what's going to happen with this guy. He might be there. Did you see his white scarf? The guy could be anywhere. Yeah. So they kind of, they poke around a little bit. Yeah. And they just kind of go.

Shrug it off and whatever. I don't know. Whatever. I don't know. Let's go check. There's some palibit poaching over there. Let's check that out. So June 8th, 88, I found in the Daily Sitka Sentinel.

Thank fuck they archived their shit because this was not easy to find. This is a posting in the paper asking for information as to Scott's whereabouts. Really? Seeing a picture of him. Have you seen Scott? If you've seen Scott, please contact law enforcement. Who put the article in? This is part of law enforcement's missing person strategy.

It's in June. It's like a month after, a week and a half after the disappearance. They put that in just in case. Hey, have you seen this guy? Contact law enforcement. Whatever. Last seen on April 12th. Jane, though, she's gone.

She's just out living her own life. She's gone. Cops drive out to the address that she worked, their address, their shitty trailer. She's gone. Not that. The trailer is pretty much empty. Yeah. They said, that's it.

Gone. She's just out of there. The only way they even knew where to look for her, possibly, was that she had the postcard, the Mother's Day card postmarked in San Bernardino. Yeah. Sort of like, OK, maybe we'll start in San Bernardino. Maybe we'll check that lovely place. Yeah.

Maybe Scott is with her. Like, the cops took it at face value. It says Scott and Jane. Right. They're married. I don't know. Maybe he's with her there. That makes sense.

Maybe he's mad at you. Because that's what they're saying, too. They're, like, telling the parents, maybe they're mad. Maybe he's mad at you for something that you don't know about, and he took off. You don't know what the fuck's going on with this guy. Maybe you didn't help him with his relationship, and he's pissed about it. Exactly. He's like, oh, that was no help, or I don't like the way he took off. You don't know what the fuck's going on with this guy. Maybe you didn't help him with his relationship and he's pissed about it. Exactly. He's like, oh, that was no help or I don't like the way they judged us or whatever the

fuck. Who knows how stoned he is. That's a good point, too. Yeah, I mean, you know, who knows? The guy smokes reefer. He may not want to be at home with you. He smokes reefer. The guy digs reefer.

Maybe he just doesn't want to come home because he's high. That might be the oldest thing you've ever said. He smokes the reefers, I tell you. He's smoking jazz cigarettes over there. Jazz cigarettes. The guy digs reefers. That's my point. He digs his reefers.

So they try to find Jane in San Bernardino to clarify with her. They can't find her in San Bernardino, which is tough. They do find in Sitka, they find Scott's truck at the Sitka airport, which is interesting. They're like, well, that shows maybe he left town, but that's also kind of who knows if somebody just dumped his car there, that sort of thing. It's the only way in and out of town, so it makes sense that it's there. Yeah, maybe he took the ferry. There's no evidence, though.

They can't find any evidence of him ever buying a ticket, but this was back in the day in the mid-'80s where you could buy a ticket under an assumed name. Yeah. I could buy a ticket. This is pre-9-11. I'm John Smith, and they'd be like, hello, Mr. Smith. Come on right aboard. You could walk right up to the fucking gate and see your relatives off.

That's crazy. It was. It was great, too. It was actually kind of nice. You could pick them up there. You could sit there and watch the plane take off, sit at the gate. Clocking up security. Of course, security didn't take nearly as long because they just said, you got a gun on you?

No? All right, fine. There you go. I'm not going to finger your asshole this time. All right, perfect. Yeah. So no evidence of him buying a ticket. Nothing.

That was it. There's no dead end. Where do you look from there? Can't find the wife. There's his truck. No, he didn't buy a ticket. We asked everybody. We put an ad in the paper.

I don't know. And they just shrugged and said, fuck it. That's it. That's it. They talked to people at work. They talked to anybody seen him have you seen him and they said nope in april we all saw him in april everybody saw him in april that's the last time they saw him then summer of 88 this is like four months later yeah uh the covilles here the mother and father read in the father they get a letter from from jane in the mail they get a letter from Jane in the mail. They get a letter. Just Jane.

Yeah, just Jane. It's a rambling three-page letter, rambling. She said that she came home one day and Scott's truck was gone and it happened months earlier and she thought that they, she's just telling them basically that Scott's gone. I'm just telling you I don't know where he is and he disappeared. So if you're his parents, I thought maybe you'd want to know about that. Yeah.

Because I haven't talked to you. This is information I'd want to know if my boy disappeared. Yeah. She said, I don't know what happened to him. He seemed like he was just losing his mind. She said that things really just fell apart in their relationship really fast. Told him about the weed at the sawmill incident. And then kept saying that he said he didn't want to be married anymore.

So he kept saying that over and over again. It was just three pages of blaming Scott for their marital problems and then saying he must have fucking left. I don't know. You find him. I don't know what the hell to tell you. It's a letter saying, like, these are the reasons why he's gone. Yeah.

That's all that she's saying. Yeah, these are why he might have left. I don't know, but he's gone, and I don't know where the hell he is. She gives them her new phone number in California. Jane does. So she does that. The mother says, Rita says she didn't contact. They didn't contact her. They said they were suspicious of her.

No shit. They were afraid if they talked to her. This is a great quote. She said, quote, I was afraid that if I contacted her and talked to her, I might say something that a Christian shouldn't say. Yeah. You think she might have had something to do with the disappearance of your son. You might be a little non-Christian at that point. I might throw some Asian slurs at her and call her a whore.

It's possible. So then there's a few months after that. A few months more go by and still no word from Scott or anything. Now Jane calls Scott's parents on the phone. Like this, she should just fucking lay low if she's doing this. But no, she doesn't. She says she's in San Diego, which is where they're from. Yeah.

And she wanted to go to a party that night. This is her. Hi. No, you haven't talked to your son. He's been missing for like six months and I'm his wife and I should super care a lot about this. And we should probably be like sitting in a room working out a strategy, talking to investigators.

You know how it works out. We should probably be. The level of care that how it works, though. We should probably be... The level of care that I should have, super. I should definitely be there. High level of alert. I should be super alert about this whole thing. But I got to go to a party tonight. And my concern is that I left a cocktail dress, I'm pretty sure.

Get the fuck out of here. In one of the closets in our house before we got married there, where you guys have access to. Is it okay if a friend of mine comes over to look through the closets in our house before we got married there, you know, where you guys have access to. Is it okay if a friend of mine comes over to look through the closets in the house and find my dress? What the fuck? That's what she asks these people. Hope you find your son, by the way.

Sweet Pete, what a weird fucking, what a weird phone call. Yeah. By the way, hope your son turns up not dead. Need a dress. It's got sequins and shit. I'm sending somebody else over. Sending a stranger over. Hope they find our boy.

Hope she finds a dress before you find your son, because I need to do this tonight. It's fine. So Scott's parents, pissed, as you might expect. Mr. Coville says to her, quote, you can come and get it, but please don't send a stranger. Come yourself. So they never talked to her or heard from her again she never showed up fuck no she can't look them in the eye she knows there's going to be some questions yeah you know what i mean now this is something that i found in none of the investigations none of the court documents

none of the anything none of the newspaper none of any coverage of this i'm the i feel like i'm the first person to inject this into this somehow. I don't know how. In the Daily Sitka Sentinel on June 21st, 1989 is a notice of divorce. A notice of divorce that Jane is divorcing Scott. She's represented by Jacoby and Myers firm. Get out of here. No fucking way.

Jacoby and Myers. Jacoby and Myers, the daytime fucking shit lawyer.oby and myers the daytime fucking she fell for it she was well she fell for i'll be a physical therapist like it tells me to do in that course i'll be jacoby and myers tells me they're the best place for divorce so she's amazing this is a service by the way this is a service this is a summons by publication when you serve papers you know court documents if you can't get a hold of someone, you can eventually serve them if they're either missing or avoiding service on purpose. You can serve them by, you serve them by mail and you also serve them by publication.

You can put it in a magazine or a newspaper. You put it in a newspaper. You have to put it in like the, and it's, you have to put it in like whatever the newspaper of record for that town, you know, that city is. It's just an agreed upon thing. You put it in that and you have to run it like three times over a certain amount of time. And after that, it's legal. You can go forward with paperwork.

And after that, you can move forward if you don't respond to that. So in the paper, it says, you know, you're being sued for divorce. Scott, where the fuck are you? Yeah. So that's what this is. Okay. This was, like I said, nowhere in the investigation at all. Unbelievable.

Unreal. Unreal. nowhere in the investigation at all. Unbelievable. Unreal. Also, new summer hours for aerobics classes over at the Fitness Plus Toning and Tanning Center there in Sitka. So you might want to check that out. Meanwhile.

So you can come earlier and stay later. Come on by for the summer. Hours are great. I didn't get the hours. I didn't write them down. But you can call them up. You know the number. Earlier and later.

Both. You know the number, I'm sure. A magnet on your fridge. So meanwhile, Scott's disappearance is a cold case now. They give up on it. They forget about it. Life went on. We talked to her.

Her mother, his mother, Rita, eventually says, quote, after about 10 years, you stopped crying about it. Oh, my God. It takes a long time, I discovered. We're 10 years into this so i mean that's what she says like 10 years later we're gonna go through a couple of things that happened before that but she's like i just gave up you know what i mean uh yeah also too in this time period bunch of people died in the family scott's father passes away you know in this whole deal in 2004 poor guy dies without knowing where his boy is nothing he's he's part

of he's listed on the in the state of Alaska missing persons clearinghouse, which sounds like they're giving them away at crazy prices. We have missing people at crazy prices. Come down. We're slashing prices on missing people. You want a kid? I got one right here. Look. You want another different kid?

You want one with brown hair? I got one of those, too. Half price. Come on down. Missing kids everywhere. It's crazy time. Oh, man. I picture just a giant halibut giving kids away halibut costume crazy hallie come on now with both eyes on one side of the head that's hilarious uh yeah googly eyes that fucking move around oh well they're push-ups there you go uh rita said after about four or five years she just

she was convinced he was dead at that point. He must be dead somewhere. She said that after six years in 94. I can't imagine. Can you imagine this? They just said, we have to move on, I guess. And they said also it was horrible because they didn't want to hope he was dead, but they kind of hoped he was dead. They hoped he didn't just not want to talk to them for six years.

What the fuck did they do wrong? You got to be on that side. The emotions were hard to be horrible here. By 1994, the family, the Coville family, asks Alaska authorities to make it official and declare him deceased by the court so they can move on with everything. They still think Jane had something to do with it, though. Yeah. Rita said it's. She filed fucking divorce.

She filed divorce pretty quick. How do you file divorce to a man that's missing? She's saying, well, he ran away from me. She's saying, I came home, he was gone, he's missing, he obviously doesn't want to be married to me, so I'll get a divorce. But it just looks suspicious. It looks shitty. It just looks really not great. Rita said there's no way someone married six months

and the husband vanishes wouldn't at least call his parents to say, we had a fight and he left. Did he come to you? Is he there? Where is he? Whatever. Something. Or even, fuck him, where do I send his shit? Something. Some kind of contact with something. Some sort of communication that shows that you're either done with this

relationship or you're actually fucking concerned. That's it. She just packed up the shit that belonged to her that she felt like taking and took it and left everything else in the trailer and fuck him truck at the airport cold-hearted bitch uh so yeah so uh she went on and lived a fine life by 1994 she's living in southern california she's a physical therapist she's not like you know hiding living under an assumed name you know working in a in a massage parlor, jerking people off. No, she's not doing that.

She's just, there's old people getting their knee injuries worked out by this guy and not just old people. I just bit my tongue on so many jokes. I know. Trust me. That slipped out the hand. It was enough. Right. We'll move forward.

She did get super religious, though. Real quickly, though. Ladies, if you go to nail parlors and get your nails done by Asian people, they for sure talk shit about you. And I only know that now because I went to go get a pedicure while I was getting my oil changed. Not even oil changed. My car was getting worked on. I was going to be there a while. They told me to go to the pedicure while I was getting my oil changed at my, not even oil change, my car was getting worked on.

I was going to be there a while. They told me to go to the businesses in the parking lot. There was nothing open except a nail spot. So I was like, whatever, I'll get a fucking pedicure. So I'm getting a pedicure and the little Asian man next to me. That is fucking sad. We're going to talk about that later, by the way. My Asian man next to me doing the toenails of the lady.

Did they will him to you? No, no. Did I say mine? My Asian man. Yeah, you said mine. Did they will him to you? No, no. My Asian man. Yeah, he said mine. Like you owned him. The Asian man doing the toenails of the lady next to me. They handed you a leash when you walked in. Whatever native tongue he was speaking in, he said something to the guy next to him.

And then in English, he said something else to him. And then he turned back to the lady's toes and he forgot that he was speaking English. And he goes, oh, she had a lot of crap in here. And then he froze and realized that he said that shit in English. Wrong program. Close that. Reopen the shit. And then he went back to whatever he was speaking.

Reopen Mandarin. But I guarantee you, whatever he just said in Mandarin after that was, boy, did I just fuck up. Oh, man. She's going to be pissed later. I just fucked my tip up. There goes my tip. You know it, man. She have lot crap in corner.

That's what he said. You know, God. Unbelievable. Crap in corner. She have lot crap in corner. That's so fucking funny, man. Unbelievable. Jane here, she does not become a manicurist, luckily for her.

She does become super religious, though. Oh, boy, in the Seventh-day Adventist church. She gives a lot of her, she gives money, she volunteers. A friend of hers says that they remember her always giving money to the church, just as much as she could. She wanted to go help people. She did missionary work in China and Nepal. She's buying her way back into heaven. She's doing, yeah, she's trying hard. In 1998, she meets

another man. She meets a guy named Chris Reth. Christopher Reth. She becomes Jane Reth later on when they get married, which they're going to get married in 2000. He is a corporate jet pilot. This guy, known as like a pretty cool guy, kind of a jet pilot kind of guy. A private jet.

Yeah, he's a private corporate jet pilot. The coolest guy. Easy job as fuck. a jet pilot kind of guy you know what i mean private jet yeah he's a private corporate corporate the coolest guy easy job is fucking corporate jet no you know a bunch of passengers i've met like four of those guys in my life and they're fucking amazing they have to be able to go with the flow because they're flying assholes around they have to be able to just go i didn't know i didn't see that i didn't see you push the prostitute out of the luggage hatch no i didn't see that at all. No, no. Yeah, I don't think she was breathing either. She's fine. It's fine.

Don't worry about it. You're right. She was blue. It's fine. It would have caused a lot of questions. A lot of questions. You're right. They get married in July of 2000.

Right. And they move to Illinois. Oh. From San Diego. Okay. They move to a suburb of Chicago. They live in Maple Park. Okay.

Just west of Chicago, apparently. Lim, at this point, works for the Geneva School District. We don't know what she did there, but she's a Geneva School District. She's working there. Everything seems fine. They do have some trouble in the marriage. They get divorced in 2005. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's a clean divorce. But Chris Rath isn't happy with that divorce. He's pretty religious. And Chris Rath, in 2007, attempts to get his marriage annulled by the Roman Catholic Church. He's trying to get an annulment here. Because divorce is frowned upon.

Well, yeah, he's trying to do that. He's trying to get an annulment probably because he's got somebody else lined up he wants to marry and he wants to do it in the church. Would be my guess. But you never know. Or he's just so scarred by probably because he's got somebody else lined up he wants to marry and he wants to do it in the church. Right. Would be my guess. Yeah. But you never know. Or he's just so scarred by her he's getting away from her. I'm not sure. I just don't want this bitch on my record at all.

Exactly. So this all happens. The procedure with the whole thing, the annulment here, is they have to have a background investigation on this whole thing. The church has an investigator who is a retired LAPD homicide detective. Oh, fuck. They didn't just get some cop who looked into a couple robberies. They were like, we need you to really go up people's asses with a microscope when they want to get

an annulment, rather than just go, yeah, sure, check that off the list, you're fucking annulled now. What do we care? Who gives a fuck? Do we give a shit, really? They want to all look to each other and go, why do we care what they do? Sure, we're annulled. There you go. Instead, we get the guy that worked on the Black Dahlia case.

Yeah. Instead, yeah. This is nuts. Give away a few more annulments, maybe that collection plate will have a little more fucking weight to it at the end of the week, unless you're giving trouble-free annulments. You don't have to hire ex-homicide detectives. You can save some coins when I'm getting at you. Meanwhile, back then, the Vatican could have used that fucking guy to look into themselves,

fucking jerks. Yeah. That's true. This is themselves. Fucking jerks. Yeah. This is 2005? This is 2005. What an asshole. Yeah. Fucking Pope. This is 2007.

Oh, 2007. This is May of 2007. So a little bit after. What he finds out, because this investigator talks to Jane, talks to Chris, talks to everybody. Chris, what he tells him, I guess because he thought it was i don't know the church in in the churches uh under the church's guys i don't know if he thought this guy would be considered a priest or whatever right but he tells him that shortly after jane and chris had married jane told him that she killed scott she told him about it so this investigator calls up the cops

in alaska and goes uh this guy's telling, I know, does this sound familiar to you? Well, I got something. This might help. Got a hot tip, boys. I got a little tip here. It said that she killed him because he was abusive and using drugs. She claimed there was problems in the relationship because of his use of marijuana. I don't know how much weed can cause a killable offense here.

I've never met a guy that's stoned that's like, now it's time to beat my wife. No, that's the opposite. They get stoned so they don't beat their wives, that's like, now it's time to beat my wife. No, that's the opposite. They get stoned so they don't beat their wives, I feel like, maybe sometimes. Not everybody. I just mean sometimes. Or vice versa. I don't want to stab him in the face.

I better go do a bong hit. I really don't have the energy for this. Either way, this is not gender specific by any stretch of the imagination, for Christ's sake. So they do this. The Alaska cold case unit contacts Chris. He tells them yeah she said she killed him killed the fuck out of him i guess you know that was that's the one uh he said that he would also not only this is funny because i'm sure there was i'm sure he got his annulment here he also says that not only will i tell you what happened i'll help you get proof about it oh boy i'll help you get proof. I'll call her.

You guys record it. I'll get her to tell him. He wanted this annulment so bad. I walked away from this fucking lady. They were called. They're recording. They have agents, investigators listening on this whole thing. So they do this whole deal.

They tape record it. She admits to the murder on tape. Really? Yeah. She admits to the murder on tape. September 24, 2007, she him uh or she he calls her uh she made statements confirming what she what he said so you know remember he said about scott that sort of thing and right yep she said yep yep killed the shit out of the fuck do you no problem

yeah he's an asshole totally killed that guy for so long ago who knows uh so but the problem is that's all they have is that so they they're like, that's not enough. That's not a confession. We need some physical evidence. Right. Where the fuck do you get physical evidence? Where do you find a body that has disappeared somewhere in the Alaskan wilderness 20 years ago? Good fucking luck with that.

It ain't going to happen. Who knows here? So that's tough. It's a good place to hide a body up there. If you're going to kill people and hide them, Alaska's a fine place to do it. Have they ever had a serial killer up there? Small town murder tip number eight. If you're going to kill people, do it in Alaska.

Much easier to dispose of the body. All right. There's wildlife up there that will eat that body in no time flat. The Sitka bear will come down from the hills. How about the fucking squirrels up there will do it? Vicious. They have to be tough up there. There's a size of a fucking bear, I'm sure of it.

The problem here, too, is they don't even have an area. They're like, I guess, by the trailer? Outside of that, where the fuck do we go? The trailer's long gone by now. We don't know where she's been. We don't know where she goes. Seasonal workers. Who the fuck knows?

And they've never gotten any leads. They had no body. They couldn't find shit. They've never gotten any leads. They had no body. They couldn't find shit. So what they do is Alaska troopers, Alaska state troopers, go to talk to Jane in Illinois. They talk to her.

She denies knowing anything about the disappearance. But then they say, yeah, we have you on tape telling your ex-husband that you killed him. So it's kind of whatever. So then she goes, OK, fine. You got me. She says, all right. Yeah, I did it. That's it. She just gives up the whole plot xerox machine we have that shit on tape you know and she told you know they said this is exactly what you said to your ex-husband that sound familiar and she's like oh i did just say that how the fuck else would they know that shit we're fucked here she

tells them the in the beginning she tells them uh you know it was just like she told her ex-husband i beat me up and he was abusive and he was smoking weed all the time. And then over the course of the interview, she started to get a little different. Yeah. She started to say, oh, and he wanted a divorce from me and blah, blah, blah. And he was wanting to end the marriage. Yeah. And then she finally said what she did here.

She said they were talking in bed the night that this whole thing happened on April 12th. And he said, quote, I'm done. I want a divorce. That's it. Yeah. She told him that. So what she did, she waited for him to fall asleep. Yeah.

Like you do. Yeah. And then she. Like women do. Well. They wait for you to fall asleep. Then they dig through your phone and wake you up and fight about it. He would have been thrilled.

Yeah. To get a phone digging because instead of digging through the phone, she dug through the closets to find a.357 Magnum that they kept in the trailer because in Alaska, literally you go to your car, there might be a bear. So you need a big gun. So they have a.357, so she takes it and shoots him in the neck while he sleeps. Sound asleep, shoots him with a.357 in the neck. That'll wake you up, too. Pretty point-blank range. Well, it never woke up shit because he just died pretty quick.

Right away? It just blew out his whole neck. Oh, you know what? It probably explodes your heart, too, because that's where the vein is. It fucked him. It destroyed him. Now, that's not the crazy part. Yeah.

Okay? She shot him. Yeah. So how the fuck, where is he? Yeah. You figure, right? She's small, too. Yeah.

She's a six-foot tall guy, 175 pounds, that sort of thing. What she does is after she shot him, she must have taken some stock and went, shit, she went and got a long axe, as it's called. No. As she called it, a, quote, long axe, and dismembered him. Wow. Pretty fucking good, too. Wow.

Not just like, I'll chop off the... She chopped him up into pieces. Stuffed his dismembered remains into the garbage bags and then put them in the trash cans. Also cut up the bloody mattress that she did this on, put that all outside for the garbage men to take. Wow. Yeah, they took it,

and back then the city got rid of their trash by incineration. It's all burned up. Burned up. Wow. Not a fucking thing. Yeah. They took it. And back then, the city got rid of their trash by incineration. It's all burned up. Burned up. Wow. Not a fucking thing. Nothing. No idea where the body was. So at this point, she said she cleaned up the inside of the trailer.

She cleaned up the whole thing. She confessed, but they still don't have any evidence. Yeah. They let her go. Wow. She says, I shot my husband in the neck, chopped him up into pieces, put him in the garbage, and they said, well, you have a good day. You're free to go.

You must have a lunch appointment you're late for, so you have a good one. My God. They let her go. There's nothing they can do. That's the law. That's the way it goes. A missing person. There's a confession.

There's no corroborating evidence. There's no physical evidence. You can't do anything about it. She could just go in there and go, I'm just fucking with them. I didn't do that. Right. How are they going to prove it go, I'm just fucking with them. I didn't do that. Right. How are they going to prove it? Right.

Well, she said it. Okay, what else you got? Unbelievable. There's no corroborating evidence there. So they need that. They need something. So what they do is they go, they find the trailer. Wow.

The old trailer. That's crazy. That wasn't incinerated. They were able to figure out where it was. And thankfully, like we said, it hadn't gone away. So there's 20 years all this shit what they do is they get a search warrant they head to that master bedroom they start ripping up the carpet and shit they ended up getting to the sub floor uh that was

down there when they were in the trailer still uh still not soaked with blood that's i mean trailer's a good word it's fine you you you right. You can sub that for semen, bile, whatever you want. Whatever bodily fluid that you don't want. Still soaked with blood. They found something here. They find blood. They find a large stain. They test it for blood.

DNA says it matches Scott Covill, so they know he actually died there. They matched it back to him. They matched it back to him based on when he had his wisdom teeth out when he was a teenager. His mother saved them. Wow. So they matched him up there. I mean, they could have just taken mom and dad's blood. They did that also, but they wanted to make sure.

Even if they had this proof, they wouldn't have helped them in 1988. They might have known he was dead and not missing. They wouldn't have looked for him in San Bernardino. And the DNA wouldn't have been able to do that. There was no DNA for them to do. That was just a pipe dream, kind of just starting out right then. So January 8th, 2010, a sick grand jury indicts her. Nice.

Actually indicts her. They get a warrant, and there's a bail amount of $250,000. She's arrested in Illinois by Kendall County Sheriff's Office. 22 years later. 22 years later. 22 years later. The extraditer. She is charged with first degree murder, obviously, for Scott Kovale. And she is also charged with tampering with evidence for what she did with the body because it's never been found.

The indictment says that she, quote, destroyed, mutilated, altered, suppressed, concealed or removed physical evidence of the body or remains of Scott Kovale. Basically all of the above. All of the above, exactly. Yeah, that's tampering with evidence here. So this whole thing, I mean, this cold case unit is psyched because they're like, we did it. Holy shit. We're going to solve something we didn't think we would ever be able to solve. We just gave up on that fucking guy, whatever.

So, yeah, they said the information provided in 2007 from the church investigator gave them something to go on. And then with the DNA technology, that helped a lot. People are stunned by this. Jane is living a quiet life, doing good works with the church. She has a nice job. Everybody likes her. She's in Oswego, Illinois. Her neighbor said she was the one who checked the IDs at the community pool in the summer.

And she worked at the social service agency in Aurora, assisting people with developmental disabilities. She was going for her master's in social work. They said she was always very friendly, but she kept to herself, that sort of thing. But they were all shocked. That's what murderers do. Yeah, she's the nice charity lady. Maybe that's why she's quiet. Yeah, she's the nice, but they're like, she's the nice charity lady. Maybe that's why she's quiet. Well, she's fucking trying to earn her way back.

You don't expect the little Asian lady doing charity work to be like, I bet she killed her husband, chopped him up with an axe and put him out on the curb. You just think she seems like a nice lady. Whatever. So February 4th, she pleads not guilty in Sitka. She waived extradition so she could go there. She's being charged under Jane Reth, which is her legal name. She changed it.

Her bail remains at $250,000. October 8th, 2010, a few months later, changes her mind. Changes her mind, pleads guilty. Oh, really? Yeah, she said, maybe this is a bad idea. Pleads guilty to second-degree murder. Alaska's a death row state. Don't think it is. Death penalty, really? Yeah, she said, maybe this is a bad idea. Pleads guilty to second degree murder. Alaska's a death row state. Don't think it is. I'm not sure.

Possibly, but they weren't seeking the death penalty on this one. Oh, really? She charges, it's a second degree murder. She agrees to that, and they agree to drop the tampering with evidence charge on that. She could earn a sentence of up to 99 years

in November of 2010 when she has this. So November 24th, 2010, after pleading guilty to second degree murder, she had to talk about in court how she did it. She took him apart. She disposed of him. She had to talk of the whole thing on his birthday, by the way, on his 26th birthday. Unbelievable. That's nice of her.

Like we said, as part of the deal, they dropped the felony charge of tampering. She didn't even appear. She was in Juneau. I guess the ferry wasn't working that day. So she was held there. So she participated in the hearing by phone when they had a hearing here to change her plea. The whole deal. Did her parents come up? Her mother, the mothers, they did. They were around. They were thrilled, obviously. The mother said, quote, in one aspect, it's less painful to have the knowledge they didn't cease loving you. Yeah. She said, like I said, they were. Oh, yeah, his dad died.

The dad died. So now she's got her son that was gone, didn't know what happened. The whole deal. It's crazy, man. No trace of him could ever be found. So there's nothing even for her to bury. She's got wisdom teeth. I don't even know if they were destroyed by the DNA testing.

The worst. Yeah. They're talking about Rita talking about Jane and all that sort of thing. They told Rita that she said that he was threatening divorce and the whole deal, and she snapped. The mother said, quote, realistically, I rather have her uh plead guilty than go to trial because there's no body and there never will be because she disposed so thoroughly of my son's body so she's like there's a you know there's a possibility there that she could weasel out of that i can't i can't imagine but it's sad that she's a little happy she said at least she knows what happened to him which is that's you know whatever uh and

she said too it's not she's not mad at the cops because she said some of the evidence, even it wouldn't work. No matter. No. She said so they could have had it all they wanted. They still couldn't have caught her with it. They said, you know, they asked her in this interview if she hated Jane for this whole deal. And she said she hated her for a long time. She said that she said, quote, then I said, you know what? Hating someone doesn't do any good. She said, I said, you, then I said, you know what? Hating someone doesn't do any good. She said, I said, you know what, God deal with it. If she's guilty, I hope you don't give her a day's peace. So she said she's putting it in God's hands at that point. She said, as, as to how I feel about her now, I don't have any feelings toward her at all. Uh, it's just, what's the word? Apathy

is what she said. She said how many lives she's ruined, uh, the whole deal. She's looking forward to this sentencing. She says, hopefully she's incarcerated for a long time. Finally, sentencing comes along on March 4, 2011. They're asking for 70 years, the prosecutor is, due to the insanity of this fucking crime and brutality of it. Not just that, that she just went around on her own, just living her own life afterwards. Yeah, like it never happened, lying, covering it up. The whole deal. They had the state had troopers in and investigators in talking about the whole deal, talking about the victim's family. Victim's family's there. Scott's, her breed is there.

The mother, she's in there. The investigator that tore apart the bedroom, talking about the DNA, they're all there. Scientific people, blood people, as we about the DNA. They're all there. Scientific people. Blood people, as we've talked about. They're all there. Everybody's there. Jane, in her defense, basically just says that she and Scott, it was an abusive relationship. She said, you know, the family didn't believe that.

They said he's never been violent. They didn't see him as violent. All the friends said he's not the abusive type. It's just not him. There's no records of any domestic violence. She's got no proof of that. Anything like that. She actually says that her defense says that just because no one called 911 doesn't mean there was an abuse.

They're saying, you know, that, you know, she was also very concerned. She kept saying she was concerned about how things looked. She didn't want it to look bad. She didn't want it to look bad. I feel like that's like her mom and my grandmother going, well, you're fat. It's that sort of thing. So she's trying to say that. I never called because I was, you know, I didn't want it to look bad. She said that she's sought the services of Sitkins Against Family Violence, which is a local domestic violence advocacy organization. She said she'd stayed at Safe, S-A-F-E, which is a local domestic violence advocacy organization. She said she'd stayed at Safe, S-A-F-E, which is a woman's shelter. She also said she stayed at the shelter about a month before the shooting, but they couldn't verify that until 20 years later.

If she would have shot him, called the cops, and said, he's been beating me, check the shelter. I've been there. Then maybe it would have been a different story. But when you just shoot someone, chop them up, and then fucking end up moving away, it looks shady. You end up in San Bernardino. At that point, you look shady. Right.

It's on you at that point. Right. And the records at the shelter are sealed. They're private things. They don't let those out anyway, so there's no way to know that. The prosecutor said she's full of shit. She wasn't abused. They called, the defense called Rita's coworkers at the Seventh Day Advent and people that she went to church with in Illinois saying she went to the Red.

She volunteered for the Red Cross and did all this shit. Rhett's attorney here, Jane's attorney, says that give her 15 years. She's seeking redemption for her crime through her good works. That's all she's been doing is seeking redemption and trying to make up for this. Buying her way back in. His whole thing was, well, you know, she's just, it could be, you know, she was working on it there so she doesn't really need prison. She's been doing the work. Your frustration right there

to try to find something is exactly what I see her lawyer doing. You know, I mean, come on. It's basically time served at this point. And he just throws weird fucking things out. Tic Tacs. I don't know. What are you going to do?

I have no idea. How do you defend this shit? This is crazy. Ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous. Before she's sentenced, she makes a statement. Yeah. She says, quote, I have asked myself what Mrs. Coville have asked.

How could I do something like that? I myself didn't know that I could do something like that. If I had known then what I know now, I would have squashed my shame and I would not have been so proud to reach out for help. So that's something like this would not happen. That's what she says. No, you're an asshole. That's what happened. Yeah, that's what happened.

Then she says, I don't know that I could say anything that would make it better. I do know I'm very sorry for what I've done. I thought about it for a very very long time and I thought about what I could say today. There isn't a whole lot I could say. Yeah, she said she'd wish she'd taken the opportunities to solve the problems in her marriage in a better way.

The Sitka Superior Court Judge David George agreed that she should have done it in a different way. She said that she wasn't under duress. He said it was cold blooded and contemplated, deliberate and unhurried. He said, quote, it took all night to accomplish her task. And when she had cut up the body into small enough pieces to fit into garbage bags so that she could dispose of that and hopefully have it incinerated. She then set about to clean the house and she cleaned that room fastidiously.

Oh, boy. He looked at her. He said, you did nothing to relieve the house, and she cleaned that room fastidiously. Oh, boy. He looked at her. He said, you did nothing to relieve the anguish of family and friends. He gives her, you, ma'am, may fuck off. He gives her 55 years in prison, 19 of it suspended. I guess that's the time good church works. I don't know. So she will be behind bars for 36 years, 24 with good behavior.

2013, Oxygen does an episode of Snapped on her. Really? Which I didn't watch because that show sucks a dick. It does. It's terrible. It's terrible. She is serving her time at the Highland Mountain Correctional Center, or Hilland Mountain Correctional Center. Her scheduled release date is January 28th 2034. Holy shit.

She's got some time. Yeah. I tried to find Scott but then I realized I was an idiot because and find a grave. Yeah. He's on there. Why the fuck is he on the site. I have no idea. But it says unknown. Of course it's find a grave. If you can't find the grave and it shouldn't be on there. Right. It does say

on the site quote he disappeared while on a fishing trip in Alaska. He was the son of Rita Coville. You guys got it all wrong. Yeah, no. That's wrong. She'll be 70 in 2034, by the way, when she gets out. 70 years old. Possibly 70 years old.

She's going to come out. And, yeah, she's probably going to be, I don't know. Living a horrible life. Yeah. It's not going to be great. It's not going to be a great life at all. She's going to be out and, yeah, she's probably going to be, I don't know. Living a horrible life. Yeah. It's not going to be great. It's not going to be a great life at all. She's going to be on Social Security somewhere. Yeah.

They said an appeal is not likely and she hasn't appealed it. Good for her. She just took it. She's smart. Did it. And, yeah, she's going to be in there for a while. That's a crazy-ass story. Unbelievable.

We've had dead kids, dead dogs, more dead kids, dead women. So we thought we'd have a dead adult male this time for the people we feel the least sorry for. That's better than dead children. Nobody ever feels bad when a guy dies. No. They're like, oh, that kind of sucks. But we didn't go, can you imagine? There was no can you imagine for this because it was like, yeah, you chop guys up all the time.

You can see heaven. The Gambinos do that. They did that for years. 28-year-old white male? Yeah, they tend to die a lot. He's fine. 26? Yeah, he would have died in a fishing trip anyway.

So, you know, it's sad. We should. It's the poor guy. He didn't deserve to get shot in the neck while he slept for just marrying somebody when he was young. For marrying the wrong woman. Marrying young. Just wrong for each other.

But I don't know. That's that crazy story. That is Sitka, Alaska. Holy shit. Hope you enjoyed that crazy cold case come to life there i'm telling that syphilitic uh syphilitic dick tail yeah hanging off alaska the panhandle uh if you did enjoy that stuff please i know what you can do to help us and we we would beg you to do it as a matter of fact you can go over to itunes you can give us five stars on there tell Tell us anything you want. Sure. Tell us about your day.

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Oh, damn it. Every week. Love you guys. Thank you. I said every year. God damn it. It's every goddamn week, these two. Thank you, guys. They're. Love you guys. Thank you. I said every year. God damn it. Thank you, guys. It's every goddamn week, these two. Thank you, guys.

They're very, very sweet. Thank you both. God, you guys are really amazing. Thank you. Brianna Ryan up in Montana. She's terrific. Yes. Rodney Horn.

Gabrielle Ornelli. Dana Grayson. Dana, yeah. He found Patreon and PayPal. Thank you, Dana. That's so cool. And we did Delaware for you last week. Yeah, you're welcome.

He wanted me to tell his cousin Clem to listen more because I guess he's supposed to be listening. Like I'm supposed to be listening to The Wire, which is really bizarre, by the way. It's a black guy named Clem. Like that's the most white trash hillbilly name. Yeah, he's from the Panhandle. There's a white guy named Jamal that cancels him out somewhere. Yeah, somewhere. You know it.

You know there is. But Clem's a piece of shit for not listening as much as I should watch the wire. That's what I'm told. Yo, Clem, go fuck yourself, man. Yeah, motherfucker, that's right. Listen more, Clem, you dickface. John Taylor, Nicholas Lamyorski, Daniel, oh no, shit, Daniel Mates. That's it.

Yeah, I saw that. He gave us a nice donation. Thank you. Thanks, Daniel. I appreciate it. Kimberly Blevins, Stephanie Pitaway, Molly Parker, Sherry Holland. Cherry Holland. Sherry.

It's got to be Sherry. There's no cherries. There's no cherries. There's nobody named Cherry. We have the way to move. That's kind of, I don't know. It's a real diamond. Was it Cherry 3000?

Wasn't that a movie? That was a movie. It was on HBO every day in the 80s. But that wasn't a person. That was a fucking robot. What was the lady's name? I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't matter. The girl from Sex and the City's in it. Yeah. Trisha O'Dell, Timothy Smith,

Kacen Johnson again. I think it's a she. I'm pretty sure it's a she. Kacen. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She donates every couple of weeks. That's awesome. Thank you so much. I'm going to get a message now that it's a dude and I'm going to be an asshole. No, it's a girl. They're going to feel like a dick. Yeah, whatever. Holly Faith Pratt, Madison O'Toole, Nicole Ramos.

I almost called it Nicholas Ramos, but it's Nicole. It's definitely Nicole. Heather Cotton, Jeffrey Geiler, Stacy L. Lanktot. Lanktot. Lanktot. Lanktot. I think that's it. Lanktot.

All right. Eden's Edibles, by the way. Yeah. What an email. That was that's it. Lank Tot. All right. Eden's Edibles, by the way. Yeah. What an email. That was cool, actually. Unbelievable. So they're in New South Wales. If you are in New South Wales and you want to get vegetables, go to Eden's Edibles.

You want fresh vegetables? This guy delivers fresh vegetables all around North South Wales, all around the area, and he's a really nice dude and sent us a nice email and donated to us. Eden? Isn't that a girl? It might. Fuck. Come on, dude. No, it's not.

It's Aaron is the person's name, but Aaron, I think it's a guy. It was Eden. No, Eden's Edible is the name of the thing, but the person's name was Aaron. I think it was Eden. Shit. I hope not. Fuck. Either way, we're real cocks for not knowing that.

Thank you so much, though. Thank you. They said that we're good cunts. That's what they said. That's great. Yeah, thank you. So you know they're Australian. Laura Blake's... God, there's too many L's.

Too many. Laura Blake-les-ly. Blake-sly. Blake-sly. That's right. It's Blake-sly. It's right. I think.

I don't know. Again, I'm going to ask. And she's the one- I think she's in Atlanta, and she's been trying to get us- No, she's in Kansas City. Yes. Trying to get us to the Kansas City improv. Yes, and we're working on this.

Right. We're working on Kansas City. We're working on- But we're going to be working on Portland, Seattle, London, D.C., Atlanta. We have tons of places we're working on. So keep in mind that we're- We're trying. And we need your help.

We do need your help. Yeah, please. Michelle Berry, Jordan Navarez, that's it, Jordan Navarez, Melissa Schmaltz, Amanda Hoga- Hoga-broof. Hoga-brook? Hoga-brook. You said that like if you said it fast, it would run away and you wouldn't have to- Hoga-brook. Hogebrook? Hogebrook. You said that like if you said it fast, it would run away and you wouldn't have to deal with it. Hogebrook.

But there's a K, right? But there's a K and not an F because I write like a fucking child. Ah, gotcha. Hogebrook. Hogebrook. Meg Dainty, she's over on Snapchat. Thank you. Nick Laycock.

That's a kick-ass last name. But I hope you don't use that, Nick, as like a fucking pick-up line. Laycock? Laycock. Don't be an asshole, Nick. Play it cool. Be yourself. Lay back. Break that to her on date, too. Kate Sylvia, Lucas

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Aaron Howerton, or is that an O or a W? Or a U, I mean. No, it's Howerton. It's got to be. I always say it's got to be, and then I get a tweet. No, it's not. Why would it have to be? I don't understand why it's got to be.

Ronnie Cox, Alexandra Leuchert? Leuchert? got to be. Ronnie Cox. Alexandra Leuchert. Leuchert. Leuchert. Leuchert. Leuchert. Fuck. Hey. Kelly Schulte.

Amanda Mead. Good Christ. There we go. I had them all lined up, all the good ones and all the tough ones, and I'm now into the tough ones. So Amanda Mead. Medema. Medema.

My-dema. Medema. Whatever it is. Yeah. Something like that. My-dema. Medema. Whatever it is. Allison Thimelets or Timelets. Kika or Kika. Taylor Moore. Miguel Alvarez. Bridget Burnert. It's probably not Kika. I'm just going to go out on a limb right here.

It's probably Kika. While I'm reading all these names, I'm going, that wasn't it, fuck's sake. It's definitely Kika. Allison Thimelets or Timelets. That was it. Bridget Bernard. Bernard or Bernhard. Either way, it's Bernard. Captain Surly, which is a pretty kick-ass donation name.

Gage Runkle, which Gage is a cool name, and then they fucked it up with Runkle. Give him a better name. That's why he goes by Gage. His last name's Runkle. He's like, I've got to even this shit out. That's a tough name. Nicole Dempsey-Flores. Linda Prost sent us a DQ card.

That was really nice. Thanks, Linda. We will be eating cheeseburgers on you. Appreciate it. They're my favorite. Love them. Brittany Duran or Doran? Doran.

It's Doran. Yeah. Brittany Duran. Kim Beyer or Bayer? Bayer. God, I fucking write these, and I'm an asshole and don't know how to write well. Andrea Jones, Angela Haltom, Sarah Grace Love. Or Sarah Grace Love.

I don't know if that's a first name, Sarah Grace, or if it's like a Grace Love. Grace Love might be the last name. I think it's Sarah Grace Love. That's what I think it is. Brandon Shepard, Austin D'Artes. D'Artes. D'Artes? Fuck. Did I spell it wrong, Austin D'Artes. D'Artes. D'Artes? Fuck.

Did I spell it wrong? Austin D'Artes. I think that's it. Matt Winland, Lindsey Kalan or Colin, Suzanne Diaz or Diaz. Diaz, that's it. I'm pretty sure. And then there's Brittany. Brittany, Kayla, and Katie live in Marion, Iowa, and they work at Timberline Manufacturing.

Oh, hello. The entire office listens. and they work at Timberline Manufacturing. Oh, hello. And they own the entire office, listen. Hey, hi, Timberline Manufacturing. Thank you. Ellie Seeley, Salai. Fuck. Sarah B. Coley, Marcelino Felipe, Julia Miller, Tracy Polvogt.

Polvogt. Polvogt. That's it. P-O-L-V-O-G-T. They'll get there eventually. That's a brutal one. Tracy Polvogt. Lauren Templ it. P-O-L-V-O-G-T. They'll get there eventually. That's a brutal one. Tracy Polvote. Lauren Templin. Stephen Lux. Peter Goik.

Go back to Polvote. See how hard these are? What was Polvote again? How do you spell it? Tracy Polvote. P-O-L-V-O-G-H-T. No, G-T. Okay, yeah. Yeah, it's Polvote. Interesting. That's a weird one. Okay, go ahead. That's a tough one to wrap your head around. Phil Adams. Aaron Olivia, Antonio Chavez, Rachel

Timmons, Debbie Way, Mary O'Connor, Two Worst Dudes Podcast. They listen, so thanks, guys. Okay, yeah. They shouted us out once before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now they donate to us. Thank you, guys. Give them a listen. Joseph Hedge Plick, Kelly Ruiz, Laura Steele, and Helen

Deacon, who sent me a badass apron and donated to us. Helen, you're a darling. Thank you so much. She lives over in England and I got a feeling she makes these things because this thing is incredible. Thank you, you guys. This week was fucking fantastic. The listenership is

incredible. I can't believe all that. The comments, the interaction. You guys are interested in buying t-shirts. You guys giving a shit about each other's lives. It's fucking awesome. You guys are awesome. We're went up. You guys are interested in buying T-shirts. You guys giving a shit about each other's lives? Crazy shit. It's fucking awesome. You guys are awesome. We're so happy that you guys are interested in us and are part of our little crazy community.

And really, we're part of yours, honestly. You're the ocean. We're just kind of riding the wave at this point. Yeah, no doubt. Without you guys, we'd be sitting in the sand, just dry, just sitting there going, well, this sucks. This is boring. Oh, I just got bit by something.

Let's go be free spirits. What is that, a crab? I'm going to Alaska. Fuck this. Oh, shit sitting there going, well, this sucks. This is boring. Oh, I just got bit by something. Let's go be free spirits. What is that, a crab? I'm going to Alaska. Fuck this. Oh, shit, I got killed by an Asian lady. God damn it. Shit. All the dumb luck.

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