Small Town Murder - #451 - Turd Boy: Satanic Killer - Clemmons, North Carolina

Episode Date: December 28, 2023

This week, in Clemmons, North Carolina, a troubled young man changes his name, covers his face in tattoos, and idolizes Charles Manson, as he builds a weird following, in his filthy house. Monthly sacrifices, and blood drinking make it even weirder, but the real crazy comes, when people begin going to police with stories of murder. This ends up with multiple bodies, unlikely accomplices, and a huge mess!!Along the way, we find out that Betty White loved Legos, that trying to freak out everyone in town usually works, and that when having several corpses at your home, maybe you shouldn't try to draw attention to yourself, and your house!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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apparently have devastating consequences. back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another insane edition. And this will be the last regular one of the calendar year here. And so we've decided to throw a crazy one at you this week.

And normally we do North Carolina. We didn't express. Normally this would be an express North Carolina, but we're going to do normally we do North Carolina. We didn't express or normally this would be an express North Carolina. But we're going to do the full length North Carolina and just make the schedule a little weird because you know what? It's the holidays and we're going to have a good time. And let's all when you hear this, you'll understand it's a festive story. It needed to be told now. It's very festive. Before we get to that, I just want to say, head over to ShutUpAndGiveMeMurder.com. Oh, yeah. Tickets for live shows. Everything is on sale.

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And we're doing – it's a good we're only doing one episode though once a year we do one episode and that is christmas and we're doing it's a good one though we're going to talk about the garden the hbo or the max documentary here about it's basically a commune where you mix like back to the earth hippies with malicious survivalists and they they somehow meld together and have weird sit-down meetings and it's strange stuff. So we'll talk all about that. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports. And, of course, you should certainly listen to, not on Patreon, just out there, Your Stupid Opinions, our new podcast. And, of course, Crime and Sports as well. Tons of murder this year. Go back through the 2023 year. A lot of murder this year.

So if you want to hear some murder stories, that's a good place to do that. All right. Disclaimer. It's a comedy show. Yeah yeah this is a comedy show the stories are and especially this story you're gonna go this isn't real scarily enough every damn detail of this is real jesus if we could make this up we would be way more talented than we are because that's that's what i mean we'd be writing crazy stories because these this is wild stuff though. But what we don't do, regardless of how crazy it is, what we don't do, we go out of our way not to do. We don't make fun of the victims or the victim's family.

Why is that, James? Because we're assholes. Yeah, but. But we're not scumbags. And that's how that goes. So that sounds good to you. Man, you're going to hear a wild story. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever go together, I don't know. Maybe we're not for you. Maybe you shouldn't

have picked a true crime comedy show to listen to, but I don't think maybe it's as bad as you think it is. I'm telling you. Yeah, the jokes are in the right places, let's just say that. But if you don't think they go together, no bitching later, because you were warned. For everybody else, though, that wants to hear

an insane story and have a crazy time and, I guess, ring in the new year with madness, I think it's time for everyone to sit back, clear the lungs, arms to the sky, everyone. Let's all shout, Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this. What do you say, everybody? Okay.

Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's run it down the line. Heading on down to North Carolina here. Put the hammer down. Put the hammer down. We're going to Clemens, North Carolina. That is not like Roger Clemens. It's C-L-E.

Two M's, though. Yeah, two M's in that one. This is in North Central, North Carolina. It's only about one this is a north central north carolina it's only about 15 minutes to winston-salem so it's right outside of there yeah so yeah if you're hankering for a smoke there you go the old winston-salem i love a state where half the towns are named after cigarette brands isn't that awesome or vice versa that's fun isn't it two brands right there yeah right there winston's only for one company at first marlboro newport get on in there yeah north carolina too back in the day like even in the 90s

when like you couldn't really smoke a lot of places you could smoke everywhere there they didn't give a shit yeah it was like a dollar 50 a pack and you could smoke anywhere you want there's just at the border here's a carton for you. Like you were going to World War II. They just hand you a carton as you get on the plane. So it's about 40 minutes to Summerfield, North Carolina, which was our last North Carolina episode. Cousins, lovers, and killers. Yikes. The people involved were all three.

They were cousins, lovers, and killers. If you missed that one, definitely head back. This is in Forsyth County or Forsyth County. I don't know how it's said i think it's yeah that's how it's probably supposed to be but a lot of things are like oh yeah you know what i mean might be sith i don't know how you'd say it there you never know area code three three six now the motto here this is fun they have two mottos uh one is modern amenities southern charm oh but yeah there's still you know there's there's plumbing is what they're saying we flush the toilet but we pretend like it composts no more poop buckets for us here uh the other one discover clemens which isn't really a motto that's just

boring done yeah discover clemens which a lot of people have and let's find out how they did with a little bit of history here there's a lot of people have, and let's find out how they did. With a little bit of history here, there's a lot of history. This village was settled in 1802. Jesus. It's been around a while. Peter Clemens was the guy that settled it, so there you go. Old Petey Clems named it after himself. He moved to the area with his wife, Harriet.

His wife's name was Harriet Butner. He married her, and they had 14 children. If I were her, I'd get married as fast as possible to get rid of that bullshit that's what i mean just as i can have 14 children not in my butner so he purchased 216 acres of land for 542 dollars that's a great deal smoking deal that's a smoking deal let me just say as far as real estate goes you're not going to beat that that's pretty good pretty fantastic not too shabby so i guess he tried to bring his neighbors together and say hey let's make a town here let's do this and he did and then it was first called clemensville and they decided why are we what's with the vill just drop it there you go

stagecoach lines ran through clemens on a regular basis, and they had a power station there pretty early. So they were trying to do this stuff here, trying to get into it. The church, too. They have a big thing, the Moravian Church, I guess, is a big deal here. He began the Moravian Church. The Clemens Moravian Church began as the vision of Edwin Theodore Clemens, who was the grandson of the founder. Oh, Pete's grandkid created the church. That's what I'm saying, absolutely.

He said that he erected a church and a school and a parsonage. Erected it all. There you go. He's not erected anything. All erected there. When we're talking about churches, let's keep erections out of it, probably. All erected there. Yeah, we're talking about churches.

Let's keep erections out of it, probably. The Clemens Little League baseball team made the 2002 Little League World Series as the Southeast team before losing. So there you go. That's all right. And also, one of the players on the team ended up being the 2011 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series champion. Oh, we drove a NAS truck. A NAS truck, yeah. A pickup truck that are real fast. You've got a fast truck there.

It's Austin Dillon is his name. Good for you, Austin. Good for you, Austin. You really, that's the dream there. I'm driving the fastest pickup truck I can find. Reviews of this town, five stars. All right. On Haynes Mall Boulevard, you can find anything anything wow at the haynes store

i don't think there's all that though this is there is lowes and home depot oh it's the same store essentially competing yeah costco sam and sam's club again the same store so you can find anything two of the same store all over the place walmart and target again of course uh best buy hobby lobby michael's shoe carnival holy shit there's a shoe carnival call my call the movers jimmy i'm going uh even hobby lobby has their fucking their michaels there look at this look at that ross also if you want yep uh world market oh look at that home goods coals and a bed bath and beyond well that's not there anymore i'm sure but um also there are many restaurants located on that

same street yeah they're called a street of strip malls is what you have that's what that's called that's called america it's when you live in it enjoy sounds like a small raleigh is what you got happening that's that's it yeah just a mini one there here's five stars the food in this area is great you really have a wide variety of choices that you can pick from. I bet there's a vast variety. To name a few, we have Applebee's, Olive Garden. Oh, my God, the choices so far.

Dario's, Five Guys, a few Asian places, and more. They have it all, Jimmy. They have everything from cheeseburgers to fake Italian. Well, my favorite place to go is Olive Garden because I really like their lasagna. Jesus Christ, help us all. It's so upsetting to you, isn't it? It's so upsetting. You have no idea how it hurts me.

It hurts my soul to hear someone say that. It really does. I just want to cook for them one time and go, see the difference? This is shit. Yeah, but they're not. I don't think. I think anybody going to Olive Garden has resigned that they don't have a good Italian palate. Yeah, they don't think.

We found out. We didn't know this, but we found out from a Southern listener of ours, because we have tons of Southern listeners, that they call, in his neck of the woods at least, in Georgia, I believe. Georgia, I believe. Georgia, right? They call Italian food literally and not just joking around. That's what they call it, Mario food. I'm like, well, you know what?

I don't know what to tell you then. I can't help you. It's just Jesus Christ. Didn't realize it was so casual. I was like, all right. Fine. Nobody recognizes that that is not okay like if you were going to tell you people around they don't get some jose food would would that be okay to say i mean i don't know if that's okay or not in that in north carolina

in an area with neither mexicans nor italians probably no one would care, I think. Let's get some more. I don't know, man. That feels shitty. It feels. I can't believe you can say, let's get Mario food and not feel like a piece of shit. It's very strange, man. It's wild. I'd feel like an asshole if I just spouted out some ethnic typical name. You know what I mean?

Some stereotypical name for it. It's weird. Let's go get their food. Let's go get their food. Let's go get their food. That'd be weird. It'd be very weird to go, let's go get some fucking Lim Kim food. That'd be strange. Unless the restaurant's called Lim Kim.

And that would be different. That'd be okay at that point. Let's go get some Ming's. All right, but the restaurant is called Ming's, so it's fine. I hope, I could only say maybe the first Italian restaurant around there was called Mario's and it just stuck. That's all I'm going to say that and say, there we go. It's a guy named Mario moved down there and he tried to make a go of it. Yeah, for me.

Yeah, for me. Three stars here. Clemens is a small town outside of Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Clemens is a very safe area. We'll be the judge of that. We have statistics i am disappointed that there are not a lot of restaurants in the town you just we were just told you have everything on earth this is why reviews are amazing because yeah two people can look at one mountain and one person sees a valley it's just so strange yeah well it well perhaps somebody looks at all that and goes no that's not for me that's not edible gross that's interesting and then the next one again disagreeing two stars very concerned about the growing crime last person very safe this one

growing crime terrified not a safe or good suburb to be in. Really? Is it just teeming with crime? The community feel, in quotes, is a scam. It's a scam. They're scamming you. It's a fucking veneer. That's right. It's a big scheme and a scam. The schools don't care about education. Bad people are coming out of there.

The school doesn't care. Well, bad people coming from the schools isn't the school's fault. Those people come from a home into the school. And the schools just, they spend a little time in the day there. The rest of it's on somebody else. It's a pain to commute. And there are not even many jobs in this area of North Carolina. Sounds like you should fucking move possibly.

Yeah. I don't know. There's a big city right there. It's all right there. Here's one star. Last one. Clemens is not a very good community. Okay. Went from the best. There's a big city right there. It's all right there. Here's one star, last one. Clemens is not a very good community. Okay.

Went from the best, I love it, to not very good. It sucks that Tanglewood Park does not have a fun fair with a Ferris wheel or a televised PGA golf tournament like it once did a long time ago. Okay. That's your main complaint? There's no Ferris wheel or televised pga tournament here so the town sucks so they pulled that that ferris wheel down it all went downhill all went down here it all went downhill or at least it could have a live televised opera live on pbs with famous opera singers or symphonies like the boston popples i think they mean pops when it came out, Popples.

Or Andrea Bocelli. Because he's coming to Clemens to sing for your PBS because that would make you happier. You move to a rural community in North Carolina and you're like, there's not enough high culture here. What the fuck? What do you want? There's barely enough people in New York City to support the opera.

What do you want? The opera is hard to get people to come to yeah man people isn't that a fun boy boston popples yeah i think it's that's what it was it's one the inside out things but this is p-o-p-e-l-s was that popples is that the spelling yeah that's how i think it was spelled there you go b Boston Popples they want. I don't know. They want Popples that are slightly racist. Yeah, something like that. Population of this town, 21,032. So not a huge town, not a tiny town.

Good size. Kind of a good size town. A few more females and males here. More, the median age is about three years over the national average. It's about 42 here. 58.3% married. Very high in the married department. This is definitely a take your family here kind of suburb.

A lot of people married with children, that sort of thing. Race in this town, 78.7% white, 6.2% black, 4.4% Asian, 9.5% Hispanic. So they mixed up somewhat there. And then religion, it's North Carolina, 55.4% are religious, a little above the national average. And the highest one out of everything are the Baptists, of course. Baptists are, as we know, the Catholics of the South. So that's a fact. Also, a lot of Methodists here. A lot of Methodists, a lot of methodist 0.2 percent

jewish and uh 50 in the last election 56.2 percent of the people in forsyth county voted democratic and 42.3 percent voted republican and 1.6 percent independent median household income here is 76 250,250 a year. That's fantastic. That's not bad. Yeah, it's above the national average, so it's doing well out here in the suburbs because the cost of living is lower, too. $100,000 is the average. Here it is $84,000 out of $100,000.

Median home cost here, though, still pretty high, $340,900 for median home cost, which that's still pretty high to be kind of out in the middle of nowhere a little bit. I guess it's not the middle of nowhere, though. Winston-Salem is right there. It's just expensive. Absolutely. So maybe we've convinced you that you're going to come there and you're going to get Andrea Bocelli to come sing for you. Well, in case that's your plan, we have for you the Clemens, North Carolina Real Estate Report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for $1,010.

Not bad. So that's below the national average. First house here, three-bedroom, two-bath. It's pretty much a 1960s ranch style brick house. I mean, it's your basic family, you know, three bedroom, two bath house. By the way, North Carolina, they don't put their square footage on real estate listings for some reason. Most bizarre thing. And I have no idea why it drives me bananas every time. So, but this looks like a, you know, 1500 square foot-ish, somewhere in that ballpark.

So it's fine. Nothing special. Nothing stands out as bad or great about it. $259,000 for that. Yikes. So that's your family house. Yeah, it's not cheap. Here is a five-bedroom, six-bath T-bowl for each and every B-Hull on 1.16

acres. Fuck yeah. It's nice. Got some room. It's a big brick house with a nice deck and a pool and inside they've just made everything white. All the walls. There's not a color in this house. It is just blindingly white.

Come add your life. You could definitely put some color in here and it would help. But it's a really nice house. It's not bad. It's a sweet-looking house. $850,000 for that thing, though. Boy, oh boy. A little pricey.

I think that's going to be probably about a 35,000, 4,000-square-foot house, something like that. It fucking better be. It's a big giant brick house. I mean, it's not bad. The next house is a really big house. It is five bedrooms, six baths, but bigger. Okay. Bigger.

It's kind of hideous here. Let's just say that. Yeah. And also the room, we just assume, and we did this for the virtual live show. And poor Emma Kate is what we have to say. Oh. In this listing. In this listing, in the kids' room, on the wall, it said Emma Kate. And for some reason, we all just decided that Emma Kate had passed on.

Emma Kate's fine. And so everybody was just, I mean, RIP Emma Kate all over the place. So Emma Kate, if she's still alive, we really, really hope good things poor emmicate here um it's written on the wall above the crib right yeah yeah they have it in like you know cursive letters on the put up there uh like oh this was emmicate things to do here there is a lego contest oh okay this is wild betty white's involved in this. OK, that's that should tell you something. You go, how the fuck does Betty White get involved in this? Well, just one day prior to Betty White's passing, the village of Clemens announced the Betty White loves Clemens Lego contest. She apparently agreed to this on her deathbed.

She's like, put my name on it. It's OK. She's delirious. Yeah. Fucking Dilaudid or some shit. She's like, it's OK, Blanche. Put my name on it. It's okay. She's delirious. Yeah. Fucking Dilaudid or some shit. She's like, it's okay, Blanche. Put my name on it. They're like, no one here is Blanche.

That's not a real person. It's an actress named Rue McClanahan. We're doing it. I don't know what we're doing. Anybody named Blanche in town? In memory of her endless optimism and finding the positive, the contest will continue. Well, yeah, you can't. We couldn't build Legos without Betty White.

Me neither. Legos are a well-known timeless building block toy advertised for ages 4 to 99. That's why. She was aged out. That was the problem. Yeah. They were like, Betty, you're pushing it. She would have turned 100 and no more Legos for her.

Yeah. There's five age divisions. The 3 to 5, 6 to 8, 9 to 12, 13 to 18, and then the adult 19 and up. And they must be an original design, no kits or sets or anything like that. Oh, you can build whatever you want. You have to. Yeah, you have to be creative and build whatever you want. So there you go.

That sounds fun. My son would love that shit. He'd be all over that. I don't know how to build anything unless there's instructions, and even then, I fuck it up. That's so hard. Legos are so hard. Dude, I've got a tiny one that's like little pieces for a little Denver Broncos figurine. I've built the head, and I gave up.

I can't do it. It's so hard. I don't get it. I don't understand. My son, he'd be like, come on, sit with me. Okay, and then he'd start doing it, and he's like, you're not going fast enough. I'm like, I can't go. I don't know what you I don't understand. My son, he'd be like, come on, sit with me. Okay. And then he'd start doing it. And he's like, you're not going fast enough. I'm like, I can't go.

I don't know what you're doing. This is crazy. I don't know where this piece goes. You're glancing up at instructions and just putting things in place at the same time. I don't know how this works. Man. Next up, there's the summer shindig. Oh, baby. Summer shindig coming.

Is that where you get bugs out of your shins? Yeah, it's the shindig where the chiggers are. That's where I got where you get bugs out of your shins yeah you got the shin dig where the where the chiggers are that's the where i gotta pick chiggers out of your skin it's the summer chigger pick everybody chigger dig let's go you gotta be careful when you say that one yeah yeah that's a tough one that's a tough one so the very drinking no no no no you got to be stone cold sober two in the afternoon for that very responsible pronunciation wits about you it's the it's the responsible pronunciation contest how fast how fast can you say chiggers without getting in trouble so yeah how fast can you do it say that uh the village of clemens joined them as they host

the first summer shindig to celebrate the kickoff of summer yeah it's a free concert and by a band called hawthorne curve yeah and they'll be playing songs by steve, Smashing Pumpkins, The Beatles, The Eagles, and so much more. Here's a band who will play everything from the 70s. All the way up to Smashing Pumpkins, too. Oh, shit. Yeah, this is Smashing Pumpkins. Early 90s. And more.

What a weird, strange amalgamation they must be. And come hungry to support your favorite food trucks. Oh. Oh, boy. And enjoy a free night of fun presented by the Village of Clemens and sponsored by A.M. Erectors. The Erectors really want you to have a night of fun, everybody. Yeah. Be erect and have a good time here. Jesus Christ, we're going to erect all of you.

We're going to erect the whole town. Everybody's getting pregnant tonight. So crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here, and we'll be able to talk about those other people. Too much crime, not enough crime. Well, we'll find out. Property crime is a bit above the national average. Oh, great.

So very safe, my ass. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault, slightly below the national average. So terrified of the crime, my, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault, slightly below the national average. So terrified of the crime, my ass. Everybody's wrong. Why do you review things at all? That's the problem because you're always wrong. There's certainly crime. There's certainly crime.

Nobody's getting too bad hurt, I guess. I guess so. Speaking of that, if you're listening to this show, five stars. Make sure to rate and review on there. We want your opinion, obviously obviously just not stupid people's so uh that said let's talk about some murder because yeah woo wee is this a mouthful of murder here this is we have one of the strangest people we've ever encountered ever in this episode uh gross yeah let's talk about a guy named John Alexander Lawson. All right, John Alexander Lawson. That sounds like an attorney from the 1800s, doesn't it?

Yeah. Like he founded the town of Lawson. John Alexander Lawson. He platted it, and he's like the Clemens guy. He's got law in his name, for Christ's sake. Right there, right there. First syllable, the last name. He's born December 8,th 1978 in san francisco

and um yeah the uh the family though moves to north carolina when he's around two years old and his parents are going to separate when he's about eight years old um that sort of thing his mother said that the marriage ended between his parents because his father, her ex-husband at the time, had a problem with drugs and alcohol and was in and out of jail, which is fun. He's a general scumbag. General scumbag. And also, once they did get divorced,

never paid any support at all to them. Attaboy. He's doing just a great father here. Terrific. What she did was divorce him, and then he justified everything. That's it. That's amazing, too. And it's like, you're he justified everything. Yeah. That's it. That's amazing, too. And it's like, you're a deadbeat.

I'm going to divorce you. And then you get divorced, and then they don't pay support, too. And it's like, because he's a deadbeat. That's why. It's a fucking problem. Everything that I assumed was accurate. It's all true. It's all true.

Thank you for fulfilling every fantasy I had of your dipshittedness. So he would later on say that he never met his father, which is crazy because there's pictures across the country with the man. There's pictures of them together. I have pictures of them together. So it's not like I had to like, you know, didn't get like the CIA to follow him around with a fucking drone. There's just pictures from Christmas of him and his dad when he's a kid it's you met your dad definitely so hard to disagree yeah his

dad's holding him he's hugging him never met him before never met the man really uh this guy a lot of what he does is posturing that's the thing he's a big posture guy everything has to create uh an idea of him. He creates a whole identity of who he is. Oh, that's crazy insanity. Oh, yeah. No, this is a guy. This isn't a normal episode at all.

This is a crazy person. So he said that he has an older half sister who he's never met as well. And so he tells everybody that he was just raised by his mother and her relatives. Older. So dad had somebody else pregnant before him. Apparently, yeah. Apparently there was another pregnancy. His parents, I guess, officially divorce in 1990.

His mom's name is Cynthia, and she'll come up quite a bit over the course of the episode. His dad, Timothy, doesn't really play into shit. Deadbeat. Who knows what he's doing. So he was 10 or 12 when this happened though. I guess they split up when he was 8 and then they finally got divorced when he was 12 because sometimes people just don't get divorced.

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So he grows up with his mother here in Clemens, North Carolina. That's where they grow up together. He lives with his mother, Cynthia. And he is known as a small child, as a happy athletic child who really enjoys football and baseball. He plays on teams and he does a little league. All-American boy. Just your regular old kid here. Just your standard brand middle-of-the-road kid here.

He has a shirt that says Little Slugger or some shit like that. Yeah, Little Slugger. And I'm sure him and his mom go out for ice cream after the game. And, you know, stopping at Dairy Queen. You know what? Even if you lost, we're stopping at Dairy Queen. Yeah. Not just to win.

Gets that upside-down baseball helmet. Yeah. that's a little fucking helmet man some days they had the team he wants and everything and he's like god damn it this this is great life is good everybody but when he gets into his early teen years he starts to uh be a little bit different the family moved i guess at one point they moved to Florida, and then they moved back to North Carolina. Okay. And his mother remarries at this point. Oh. Cynthia gets remarried. Now, at this point, this is when everything starts to change.

He goes from happy-go-lucky, you know, I'll be riding my bike home from the Little League field, Ma, you know, that sort of thing, to a different kind of cat where he gets more. And this is just teenagers, too. A lot of times as a teenager, you totally change. And he went real goth with the whole shit. But not like regular goth like normal people do. He went well far and beyond the means of normalcy here what do you mean oh he changed his name number one yeah that's different that'll do it um yeah instead of john alexander lawson he said everyone i'd like you to call me pazuzu algarod so there's that that's

the first and last that's it right there that's the first and last there That's it right there? That's the first and last there. Pazuzu Algarod, which is a hell of a handle, I'll say that. It seems like it's just two bad Scrabble hands, it looks like, is what you got. Like, oh, shit, Pazuzu? What the fuck am I going to make out of this? Is he right now on schoolwork? Or is he? No, no, no. It's just whatever he wants people to call him that and all that kind of shit.

He went from John to Pazuzu. That's tough. That's a tough one. So he's an interesting guy here. And he begins to, he had like blonde hair, blue eyes. I mean, he looked like one of the Bad News Bears. He really did. He looked like this little, like, you know.

The little one. Yeah, Tanner, he looks like. Yeah. Yeah. The one that talks about boogering. Wants to fight everybody, yeah. Yeah. So then he started dressing more gothic.

He shaved his head because you can't be like super goth with like blonde curly hair. It just doesn't work. Yeah, you either got to dye that a green or let that naturally turn to a gross color or black. You have blonde hair. Black is a good one listen Baywatch we're not buying you all just not buying it I'm sorry

blonde people look happy blonde people look happy they do yeah they look like I hit a weird genetic lottery where I'm super weird and everything's blonde isn't that strange my body hair doesn't even show up yeah and the

rest of us are all like look at these fucking idiots yeah thanks a lot so at that point people said he started hanging out with the wrong crowd as well sort of running with the wrong type of people so his mom this is good this is a start a lot of times we tell these stories and the parents don't pay attention at all. They're just like, I don't know. And the kid's like taking apart woodland animals in the fucking, like in his room, not even like in a shed, not practicing taxidermy or anything. He's just like, I want to see what's inside her. And the parents, these parents actually have concern, or his mother does anyway.

Obviously, dad doesn't care. But his mother took him to a psychiatrist oh said what the hell's wrong with you here and uh this is the 90s i mean people we kids dressed weird in the 90s we all did yeah but the thing about the 90s too with with uh mental health it wasn't taken near as serious as today and a lot no and everybody was just i guess considered they're they're a head doctor. They know what they're doing. They're all the same.

There's not a different one. Yeah, totally, totally. So you just go to one and then you just keep going. You're not fixed. You just need to go more. It also depends on where you're from. Because there's affluent neighborhoods where parents all take their kids to psychiatrists back then but then the only kids that like i knew that went to psychiatrists were sentenced to do so you know what i mean like literally they did something

yeah yeah juvenile court made them go to it like it was some sort of evaluation but they weren't like no one was taking them to a place every week to talk about their problems. Fuck no, no. Parents had their own problems. So she took him to a psychiatrist, and his medical records at this point show that he indicated, even at that time, signs of severe agoraphobia. Oh. So yeah, if you don't know that, that doesn't want to go out. He's scared of it. A general fear of situations or places where one may feel they have no control because everything's moving too fast and it's too much.

So they also noted that he had schizophrenia at the time. Oh, that's quite a diagnosis. They already figured that out. Yeah, as a teenager. And it's going to get worse. And other mental illnesses since childhood. So she tried to find him as much treatment for this as she could but she didn't have a lot of money and dad's not paying any

support so it's kind of you can only really do what you can if you're a single parent you don't have a ton of money and it's tough so and you get an agoraphobic schizophrenic teenager yes you need to get into public you need to get him in school so you can go to work and that's the problem here by 14 when he's in the ninth grade he's he leaves school at that place he quits because he said that's when the phobia around people started oh that's when he started getting weird this is all right around the time his mother remarried as soon as his mom remarried he went real wackadoodle here and and I don't understand psychology. It's also right about the time when boys hit that thing called puberty. Well, yeah, that all plays into it.

Start turning into something that you don't understand. It all plays into it. Yeah, your body is changing. You have weird hormones raging. You're a fucking disaster, just a cauldron of mess. Oh, boy. So he is known as a poor student a lot of f's um he was in special education classes because of learning problems as well so there's a lot of issues here he had to repeat the

second grade yeah he also what they wanted him to repeat the ninth grade oh and he that's when i think he left because he didn't pass anything in ninth grade. Plus, he's already repeated one. He's already behind. He's already 16 now in ninth grade. Yeah, you keep repeating. You're going to be 35 graduating. Who needs a ride to school, kids? Come on.

Climb in the station wagon. Let's go to eighth grade. You, I'll take my kids, and I'll take all the other kids from the neighborhood. We'll all go to ninth grade. We'll all go. The ninth grade. We'll all go to the eighth grade together. He, by the way, later he'll deny ever failing a grade, even though he definitely failed two grades. What the fuck, man? He would get in trouble for skipping classes, but he also had problems with being verbally disrespectful to teachers, getting in fights, and engaging in vandalism.

Okay. He was suspended once, and there'sandalism okay um he was suspended once and uh there's that so he only got suspended once for vandalism or something for some yeah general general fuckery i think so by 1998 when he's 20 a couple few years down the road here his mom will move out of the house and she'll get remarried again move out and leave him in the house oh leave him like to his own devices in the house and we'll talk about that but talk a little bit a little bit about his school life here uh there's a docu-series called the devil you know about him okay so uh apparently because of his class he had a nickname in high

school oh boy and it's a lot of people have nicknames in school you know what i mean yeah apparently because of his class. He had a nickname in high school. Oh, boy. And a lot of people have nicknames in school. You know what I mean? Yeah. Tons of people have nicknames. Sometimes they're insulting mildly. Yeah, they're generally just not clever. No.

From time to time, there's a clever one. Sometimes. For the most part, they all suck and they all hurt. And sometimes they're not even derogatory, but they sound i had a friend in high school one of my best friends in high school and everybody called him shits yeah and he was from the word shit bags which because in seventh grade he had he used to bring a bagged lunch and everybody would throw their garbage in his bag and he would throw it all out at our lunch table because he was it was his bag of enterprising good kid that this is nice collected everything for let me we call him let me let me

put it in your shit bag because that's what and then after the course of a whole year it became shit bags and then by the time we were in 10th grade even girls called him shits hey shits and you're like you're not that girl's not blowing That girl's not blowing you. She's not like, I really want to suck Schitts' dick. It's messed up. It hurt him. And it was never a derogatory thing, but that's what he called him. Just a nice kid who picked up. Yeah.

Great guy. Conveniently picked up. I'm going to the trash can. Anybody got anything? Yeah. I mean, great dude. Just a real nice guy. Quiet.

You know, real good guy. Do anything. Give you the shirt off his back. Schitts. Hey, Schitts. I hope he got a hemp anklet and picked up trash on the beach and just got so much pussy in his early 20s. It was to the point where people did not know his real name. I'm talking half the people in school didn't know his name.

No one knew his name. They just knew him as Shits, but everyone knew him as Shits. Like he was a popular kid too shits everyone knew it was weird as hell he had a different nickname though pazuzu here yeah he is going to be known by everyone as turd boy that's not a good one which is not as cool as shits shits can be kind of cool it's basically shits well this is because he had a tendency to quote smell like feces so god what he's called shits because he smells like shit he's called turd boy because he smells like shit yeah but generally if you smell like shit it's shit shit places yeah the only thing that smells like shit is shit yes i've never smelled shit have you smelled shit and been like there's not shit around here i know it but it smells like shit is shit yes i've never smelled shit have you smelled shit and been like

there's not shit around here i know it but it smells like shit no there's shit around here close by everybody just play a bunch of full court basketball and you go you smell like shit no you don't smell like shit you smell like other things you smell like sweat vo you only smell like shit if you have shit in your pants that's when you smell like shit it's a lot of bo but i'm telling you that because i need you to rinse please for the love of god here holy shit so one of his former teachers had a recollection of him and said quote i can even remember his seat within the classroom he did not give me any trouble he was as he was usually absent well yeah if you skipped your class it's not a real hard to have him around seat really remember the seat really well.

I remember that empty seat sitting there staring at me. Always empty. When I asked, where is John? Other students would say, oh, you mean Diablo? Because they called him Diablo. Devil. Maybe that's his middle name. Maybe it's Pazuzu Diablo Algaron.

Maybe it's a family name. Or it's a hyphenated ending. Yeah. Great Grandpa Diablo he's named after. You know that. Algaron's Maybe that's a family name. Or it's a hyphenated ending. Yeah. Great Grandpa Diablo he's named after. You know that. Algarod's his mom's maiden name. Yeah.

That was the name he was using at the time. And so, yeah, he drops out of school and starts supporting himself by selling drugs to the kids. So that's nice. Oh, my. That's a good one here. He's arrested for the first time when he's 23 for drunk driving okay and at some point in here too he's also arrested and convicted for assault on a female that's the charge so uh you know he's really doing well here uh tell you what he dressed he's staying in his mom's house as well. Like we said, his mom moved out and left him the house.

And he doesn't exactly go, finally, I get to lay down my design elements I've been always thinking of. He just lets the place be completely trashed. Just in immediate disarray. Like squatters are nicer to houses than he is to his own fucking house. Just disrespecting mom's house. nicer to houses than he is to his own fucking house. Disrespecting mom's house. The guy who broke in and did an enema in my fucking house that was for sale years ago honestly treated the house with way more respect than he treats his own fucking house because

at least he shit in the toilet. As we'll talk about, not everybody does that here. Wow. There's just shit all over the place. So he legally changes his name to Pazuzu Algarad in 2002. He's got money to be changing his name. Oh, yeah. You'll find money.

When you need to be Pazuzu, you'll find a way to make it happen. That's the thing. How many times have you needed to be Pazuzu? That's the thing. You don't ever need to be. Interesting choice, though. What do we know? You know what I mean?

Pazuzu, by the way, is the name of the assyrian demon whose name was used in the exorcist if you're wondering where he pulled pazuzu out of his ass yeah it wasn't just a bad scrabble block it was he doesn't actually something lots and lots of books he saw the the exorcist he saw the exorcist and algarod is similar, not exact, similar to the Arabic word for locust. Yeah. So I think it's funny that some person who speaks Arabic is like, that's not even fucking close to that. It's not even the word.

It's like people with Asian character, Chinese character tattoos, and they're like, dude, that doesn't say what you think it does. I feel like it's the same thing. Somebody's fucking with you. What he liked to do was after 9-11, you know, after September 11th, he liked to freak out the squares a bit by putting on what he called a jihadi mask. Which would be like a black thing that he pulled down. And run around in clemens to freak people out so they would think that around just going to get milk in a jihadist mask which he's

lucky he didn't get shot doing that in a small town i got one they just pull you by the fucking ankle i got one killed him a man in arizona killed a Sikh because he was so stupid he had no idea that that was no fucking clue didn't have any idea that this guy is completely different person so um some believed that some believed that cynthia was helping him through this but like with this stuff like somehow assisting him and being weird but then i think that's just rumors around town here uh people would come over all of his friends and they just scrawl satanic symbols on the wall and everything else they just write whatever they want on the wall and big pentagrams and they'd you know piss and shit

wherever they want yeah just anywhere just in the corner that's the shit corner if you are decorating with krylon what's the difference dude the pictures this house, like somebody on hoarders would be embarrassed of this fucking house. I swear to God, it looks like a bunch of people that just smoked crack and squatted there for like six months and just destroyed it as much as they were like, let's really fuck this house up. Like they really made a conscious effort to do it. There's animal corpses laying around. What? Just a squirrel wandered in and died. A cat that they had a while ago is dead over there.

Like on hoarders, they just pull corpses out. Gross. Those smell, you know. Yeah, maybe that's where the shit smell is coming from. Plus, there's shit everywhere, Jimmy. There's shit all over the place. You may want a shit to cover the smell of the dead raccoon. Man, it's stinky in here. Somebody lay down some turd for cover, Jimmy. There's shit all over the place. You may want to shit to cover the smell of the dead raccoon. Man, it's stinky in here.

Somebody lay down some turd for cover, man. Somebody carpet bomb. Drop down some cover fire. Wow. And everybody just hang out and drink. He really became a heavy drinker about 13. Because that's a good time for it, really. Coming around, coming of age.

By this time, his face is covered in crazy tattoos. They're not even good tattoos. Like, there's not artwork or anything to this. Early adopter of this. Yeah, it looks like he took it and just, like, drew it in a mirror, like, holding it like a three-year-old holds a pencil. You know what I mean? Like, yeah.

So he's really getting weird. Oh, he gets his tongue forked at this point, too. Hell, yeah. So he's really getting weird. Oh, he gets his tongue forked at this point. Hell yeah. Tongue forked, tats on the face and gets his teeth sharpened. He gets his teeth, but he doesn't get his teeth sharpened. He sharpens his teeth. Oh, dear God. We'll find out.

Fucking shit, man. He would also never leave the house because he's agoraphobic so the house is just this terrible horrible tomb of a shithole and he never leaves it so he must smell awful he also performs you know ritualistic killing of small animals such as rabbits and drinks their blood as sacrifices to a god oh yeah a god that no one really understands his mother described they said well what do you think his god is and she said it's a dragon so okay yeah he very thirsty one let's go through this here uh yeah tattoos on the face sharpening the teeth uh forking the tongue that's all fine hey you want to have some fun with your appearance that's good uh shit and

animal corpses all over the house i could do without also a ritualistic killing of small animals to an obscure dragon god that's what we have right now how do you get people to come over when that's what you're doing because it's so funny because that's where they're allowed to do whatever they want yeah people are really disgusting if you let them be something you'll put up with yeah it's really gross when you're allowed to do There's something you'll put up with. It's really gross. When you're allowed to be gross, some people will just fall right into it. They don't care. His God, he believed his God to have appeared in Mesopotamian myths.

And he also claims to be a part of that ethnic group as well. Mesopotamian. Like one of the first ones. Yeah. He's like fucking first man type of shit. Yeah. be a part of that ethnic group as well oh mesopotamian like one of the first ones yeah he's like you know he's like fucking first man type of shit yeah first wave a man is what he's saying that's not a good thing your immune system everything you have is mad weak dude you're inferior as fuck no my dna has lasted since the beginning of man it's me that's it oh he also uh claims he can control the weather as well oh he's one of those yeah i'm gonna go shit in the i'm gonna

go shit in the corner and then then keep the hurricane away imagine thinking that the act that he has to do it's gotta be crazy hold on i'm gonna i'm gonna shit on this rabbit corpse yeah i'm gonna shit over here in rabbit corpse corner and then i'm gonna go out and make sure that a tornado hits a town i don't like well when i shit over here i'm gonna call the winds of the west to blow it all east and we'll all be free of the scent it'll be fine his idol was charles manson by the way that's his idol yeah he's like, man, that Manson, he had it right. He decided, you know, while I have all these ideas, doing all this, I'm going to make it a religion. Sure.

Much like the Twin Flames people. Maybe he just decided, shit, I could be tax exempt here. I mean, I probably haven't filed taxes ever. It's probably a good idea to be exempt. Yeah, absolutely. And this is a religion that mixes like a devil worship pretty much with Islam. Just mix those two together. That's a weird fusion.

That's a strange fusion. That's like Mexican food mixed with Finnish food. That's a weird, it's just a weird fusion that you don't see a lot of restaurants over your enchiladas it's very strange here um i don't think the germans make gravy do they yeah gravy gravy is joy and they don't know much so i'm not sure about that well their gravy they do make bread though it's a sour weird gravy yeah it's that's most of German food seems like a dare

though honestly it seems like what if you cook pickles what about that what if you took potatoes and made balls out of them and jammed cabbage inside them interesting some of the stuff I've had isn't bad, though.

It's I don't know. It tastes OK. Those potatoes aren't that bad. No, fuck no. It's a potato. It's hard to fuck up a potato. When you eat it, you're like, why'd you fuck with this? You didn't have to do this.

These could have been next to it next to each other as opposed to all German dumpling is a fascinating thing. I don't know. It is. It's a gross food. It's not a good food yeah there's a reason there's there's not a there's not a fucking a bunch of them on every corner in this country no not even close to that so the two religions he chose he figured would would be the ones that would freak people out the most. It's the early 2000s. People are terrified of Islam and they're terrified of terrorist attacks.

So he said, man, Islam, Satanism. That's the jam right there. That's the maximum impact for freak out value. He started collecting a group of people, his friends and people that would listen to him and do what he wants. More like recruiting,

right? I mean, I guess. I don't know if you can, whatever. I don't know what the advantages are. People that show up and have nowhere else to go. And because it's mostly, it's homeless people, severe drug addicts, people like this. He just recruits anyone who is willing to sit in a house full of shit and corpses.

Then they'll listen to anything, I think, at that point. So he said he called them his misfits and outcasts. Yeah. Yes. So he invited all the people to the house and allowed them to do anything they wanted. This house is total freedom. Anything you want. Shit anywhere.

Fuck anywhere. Shoot up in the corner. Spit blood on the walls, I don't care. He'd draw on them. Just do it witchy. And the people who were into him thought he was cool because he's a real rebel. Nobody else looks and acts like him. He's unpredictable and he looks dangerous. Filed his fucking teeth, James. Look at that.

He's got sharp teeth and a forked tongue. I don't have the balls to fork my tongue what a nut i got the balls to fork my tongue before i do file my own that's what they're saying they're going i'm not gonna fork my tongue i'll just follow this guy you know oh boy so and people word spread about him and this house and people more people came which seems like word spread so the board of health came and they knocked the house down end of story thanks for joining us happy fucking holidays merry christmas but no yeah it's actually not like that people would come by the day more people would show up he's building a manson family to see the freak show right yeah absolutely they loved it he had

sex with all the female followers they had sex with the smith with turd boy He had sex with all the female followers. They had sex with the Smith with turd boy. They had sex with. Yeah. I mean, the psychology is not hard to follow here. Doesn't fit in, created a place where he fits in. Not only fits in,

he sets the rules and the social standards and enforces them on his own, which is interesting. His followers would come in, they'd hang out they'd shoot heroin they'd drink booze you know that sort of thing as a shooting gallery his house they would also cut themselves and cut each other and drink the blood and mix their blood together and drink animal blood they love blood stuff and also uh performing animal sacrifices as well. Because you need to do that. Bloodletting.

Bloodletting. He covered his walls not only with tons of graffiti, but also smears of blood from the animal sacrifices. That was part of it. You sacrifice something. Who knows that it's sacrifice unless you smear it on the wall. Smear it a little, yeah. Yeah, there you go.

And also smears of blood from the cuts from that they would make on themselves as well and he put you know satanic symbol posters and drawings your basic shit at that point yeah he said he bathed once a year what people are having sex with a man who shits on the floor and bathes once a year. Think about that. January 1 or like June 12th? I was gonna say did you pick my birthday there? Thank you. He takes his bath on James' birthday just for me.

He does it just for me. I say thanks Pazuzu and then I blow him. That's how it works. I take a Mario bath. Yeah, I take a quick Mario bath here. Which is just a bunch of cologne. So that's how it works. I'm sure down there how they would say it.

This is wild that people are having sex with him. I don't want to hear that you can't find somebody. I don't. I don't want to fucking hear it. This is before apps even. He had to go find people smelling like shit and have them coming over to the house and going, piss wherever you want over there by all the corpses and feces pile and all that shit and he's getting sex i'm sorry i don't want to hear jesus fork your tongue and try harder people because he's figuring it out um he also never brushed his teeth he said ever just that was stupid to brush my teeth they're all sharp. I filed them.

They don't have enamel, so it doesn't matter if I brush them or not. They're going to fall out. Who gives a shit? It's happening. He also would shit all over his house. He said that he never bathed because the power of Satan would cleanse him. Okay. It's like a zest commercial with Satan.

You're not fully clean unless you're Satan fully clean, I think is Satan's entire motto there. Hellfire sterilizes everything. It's all good. Yeah, it'll burn anything up that you got there, which is gross. And his followers would do the same. They would stop bathing. Really? Really.

With all the shit and corpses and blood and unbathed junkies, imagine what this place smells like. And when people would ask him, why does your house smell like this when they first got there? Wow, it smells in here. He said, well, that's because there's dead bodies in here. Okay. Yeah. He would claim to people that he killed people and he would either burn their bodies or bury them in the backyard. That was what he said.

You got to believe that right most most of the followers thought it was just him being really you know yeah that's where that's where you draw the line if i look around that house and i look at him and he says i kill people and do this i go yeah yes you do sir face value Not one bit of this tells me he's telling me a lie. If he was 14, I'd say he's probably lying to try to be a tough guy. He's in his 20s, and this is what he does. He's in his 20s. This is what he does.

He's filed his teeth. He's cut his tongue, and he's shat in the corner. I believe him. Oh, my God. He would later tell everybody, even though it's not true, that he had never used illegal or recreational drugs, even though he did all the time. Really? He does say that he drank since he was 13. He was drinking real hard.

He said typically, you know, as a teenager and growing into his early 20s, he would drink at least a 12-pack of beer a day. He said, it just calms me down. A 12-er. A 12-er will calm anybody down. That would really, if you gave a 12-er to an angered zoo animal, it would chill out a little bit. Like, anything. 12 beers will probably make an elephant calm down. Oh, calm, a little chill.

I would say noticeably calmer. If you gave 12 beers to a pissed off lion, it would probably be noticeably more chilled out. Right? I'm just going to, and that thing weighs hundreds of pounds yeah i can't he weighs like a buck 30 literally he's like a buck 20 a buck 30 this guy i can't imagine there's an a single uh i mean apart from anything in the ocean that's giant you know i mean yeah i think 12 years will fix anything any land. At least to the point of the very loose parameters of calms down. I think it'll calm it, chill it the fuck out a little bit. It's very loose. He said the main reason he always drinks every day is because when he doesn't, he gets the shakes,

which means he's an alcoholic pretty bad there. That means you're sick, friend. The DTs, mister. That's a problem. He said if he stops drinking, that's if he stops drinking for more than like a day um but he said he doesn't have any problems related to his alcohol use except for those shakes except for the shakes if i don't drink it except for the part that you have to have it that's wild so he meets a girl of course because obviously let's bring a young lady into the situation. Amber Nicole Birch is her name.

B-U-R-C-H, Birch. Amber here. She graduated in 2008 from high school in South Carolina. At some point, she moved to Winston-Salem after she graduated and became romantically involved with him. Why not? Why not? Why not? Friends all said she changed and got really weird as soon as she got involved with him, which I don't know how you wouldn't.

He's the type of guy you can't hang out with him. He's not going to change more to be like you. You either change to be like him or you stop hanging out with him. There's no other option here. So she also filed her teeth down as well and stopped showering which women talk shit about each other's boyfriends all the time imagine if you show up stinking like shit with your teeth filed down and be like no it's just what we do that you're getting a brash of shit from your girlfriends, I would think, for that, right? Yeah. How did you convince a girl to...

Multiple girls. Many. But how did he convince a girl to file her fucking teeth? I mean, Manson could have done that. They would have filed their teeth down. I suppose, yeah. No problem. So, Birch's friend, Amber's friend, said she maybe saw Amber about three times after Amber left South Carolina.

She said that Amber went through big changes. She had a couple of tattoos to begin with, so that wasn't a big deal. But then she started getting homemade tattoos. Yeah, those stand out. I'm sure in a very sterile environment in a house filled with shit and corpses. And a very strategic place where it doesn't show up. Yeah, and one of them is a swastika she gets. Oh, perfect. That's right. Really? All class right there. All class.

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and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. One day, she showed up with sharpened teeth, and she said she used a fingernail file to sharpen the edges of her teeth.

A fucking emery board? Yeah, a metal one. She just filed it all the way. Oh, God, dude. Hers aren't as pointy as Pazuzu's. I don't know if he has to have the pointiest teeth. Yeah. He's like, listen, 30% off, that's it.

I won't accept. Otherwise, it's my thing. I've got to go get the center's file, James, just for space gap. I'm terrified. And it's just like a little bit of sandpaper it's just a on each tooth though and he's just sitting there in a living oh god damn it that's easier when you're shit-faced and a junkie i think too she also shaved off her shaved off her eyebrows at this point too may as well it's what's more shocking her friends said she used to she's had a couple of boyfriends in the past.

Her friend said nothing super serious. She liked horses and playing the bass in the string orchestra. That's what Amber was into. Holy shit. She changed a lot. Jesus in America too. Yeah, this is definitely Tom Petty. So her friend said, as far as I know, Pazuzu was her only serious boyfriend.

I never met him. She invited me to go up there several times. On the phone, I could hear him in the background, and he was pretty vulgar. In the background, he was vulgar. Well, on one call, she heard Pazuzu arguing with Amber, then asking Amber who she was talking to on the phone. Then asking Amber who she was talking to on the phone, Amber said, it's my friend from Rock Hill. And Pazuzu said, invite her over so I can have sex with her. Which, try that in the background, guys out there.

Who's that? Kathy? Tell Kathy to come over so I can stick it in her fat ass, all right? Yeah, tell her to come on by. What are you talking about? Have her come over and tongue my balls while you blow me. Wow. When your girlfriend gets done stabbing you, her friend will be there to join in.

You're going to be fucked. So he said, as she said, that was a little freaky. Wow. She invited her friend to visit several times, but she didn't want to go because of him. He wanted to have sex with her. I think she knew that was the plan. The friend said he would never come to Rock Hill when she came to Rock Hill. So when she'd come home to visit, he'd stay home because he's agoraphobic. After seeing her talk to him, I could tell she was starting to change.

Gee, you think? She's got a fucking swastika tattoo and filed down teeth. What were the signs? What were the signs? She's got no fucking eyebrows. On sight, she looks different. Yeah. Her friend also said that Amber was talking about that Pazuzu was Iraqi,

because he's Mesopotamian, he put that into, I'm Iraqi because we're going to go have a war with Iraq, and he wanted to be weird, and that she was teaching, or he was teaching Amber some Arabic, because chicks named Amber usually speak Arabic. Hey, if there's a fucking list of names

least likely to speak any Arabic, I think Amber's at the fucking top, isn't it? Johnny Alexander. What was his last name? Lawson. Yeah. Big, big Arabic guy. Yeah.

Big Arabic here. The friend said she would tell me random Arabic words. I was making a sandwich and she told me the Arabic word for garlic. Well, aren't you fucking worldly? Look at that. I think it's just garlic. Probably garlic. She said, she did like a harlick.

Harlick. She's like, that's how you say it. Harlick. And she was like, oh, okay. That's Arabic. This is different words with a har in the beginning of it. It's not a car. It's a har.

It's the same thing. I speak Arabic now. Yeah. You drive nails not a car. It's a heart. It's the same thing. I speak Arabic now. You drive nails with a hammer. A hammer. That is insane. She says... Yeah. She says

one of their dogs has an Arabic name. She told me he was Iraqi and I have no reason to believe he wasn't. Well, I do because he's a blonde kid from San Francisco named Johnny. That's how I know he's not Iraqi. The dog's name was Haley. Yeah, Haley. Name the dog.

Grover. Barkley. Yeah. Oh, my God. Scruffy. Oh, my God. Too fun. Scooby-Doo. This is on the idol.

She used to say it in an offensive accent or something. That's it. As a guy, English isn't his first language that's all you do it's just that's it just sound like that wherever you go get shawarma just sound like that guy just sound like an immigrant who's trying his best yeah sound like that sound like that that's that's her friend also said that birch uh her and Birch used to go to Bible study together when they were in high school, but she knew that Amber's beliefs had changed since she's been hanging out with Pazuzu. But she said she always thought it was something like Wicca, like it was something like that, like harmless, like Wicca-type shit. She didn't realize it was like smearing blood on the walls type of religion.

That's a different religion. Once blood's involved, it's just all different. That's too much for me at that point. She said her friend said she fell into his lifestyle and fell into his identity. She said that Amber would tell her that Pazuzu would shoot coke and heroin, but that Amber didn't do that. Holy shit. that holy shit so obviously because they're living in squalor shooting drugs filing their teeth down and believing in weird shit and smearing blood on the walls obviously amber gets pregnant obviously there's no way of course what do you think they're using fucking condoms are you kidding me oh my god

this is like oh oh, Jesus. Nightmare. This is exactly the nightmare. What the fuck? Thankfully, she had a miscarriage. And I'm saying that in all fucking understanding that people might go, that's not. I don't fuck. Thankfully, she had a miscarriage. If that kid came out and somebody fucking drowned it in a bucket next to the fucking hospital bed, I'd say, good, because this is a disaster.

This is a fucking disaster. You know, and not even just thankfully, obviously. Yeah, that's the other thing. She doesn't have prenatals. She's not fucking taking care of herself. No, she's not eating well. She's not sleeping right. Obviously, she had a miscarriage.

Amber told her that it was probably because of stress. Yeah. It's around this time, too, 2010-ish, because we're going to talk about him talking to a psychiatrist around here, and it's interesting. He said he practiced now a Sumerian religion. Everything he talks about sounds like when they're talking about what's wrong with Sigourney Weaver's building in Ghostbusters.

Like everything is, you know, when they're looking in books and they're like Gozer and all that. Who the fuck knows what they're talking about? That they're like gozer and all that who the fuck knows what they're talking about that's all what he sounds like he's just seen ghostbusters too many times um he also said this religion required the monthly sacrifice of a small animal monthly it's the fifth our squirrel is due we got to get in there his facebook page had a banner with the word antichrist stretching across the page and other references to Satan.

Of course, he's got a Facebook page. Obviously. How else do you recruit people? You got to help. That's what you do. Uh, her friend said about Amber,

this is Amber's friend. She is not legally married. I thought the religion they practiced was Wicca. And that is what she told me. She would talk about praises to the goddess. I assumed it was Wicca. One time when I she told me, she would talk about praises to the goddess. I assumed it was Wicca. One time when I asked her what time she'd come over, she said she'd come over around 830 because the sun set at 8 and she had to do all of her praises to thank the goddess

or spiritual being of some sort. She talked about the protection of the goddess. Okay. protection of the goddess okay so about a year okay monthly sacrifice uh sundown rituals of some sort of thanking for like the night or thanking for the what this day was or whatever i guess the plentiful bounty that the day has provided that we can now sacrifice over the night there's nothing to be thankful for it sounds like i don't know what's going on not in this house um her friend said i really didn't encourage her one way or the other i never really thought he was an outstanding guy okay um but after she said i'm gonna leave him then amber

said never mind i'm not leaving him and went back to him okay now here's another friend, a friend of Amber's named Kayleen. She said that Amber and her were like sisters, but Amber began to distance herself from old friends when she started hanging out with Pazuzu. Her friend said she was a sweet, smart, caring girl. She was in the string orchestra in high school. I went to a few of her concerts, and she played so beautifully. She was always the one friend who would help you no matter what. She said one night she woke up in the middle of the night. This is the friend with a lot of pain. And she said, Amber, pick me up in the middle of the night and took me to the emergency room and got me taken care of.

And her whole family is our horse people. Money. She said she would take me over to the stables and we would go riding and things like that. That's fucking money. We would go to the mall, go to the bowling alley, normal 18-year-old activities. But then I guess this woman's, this friend's brother died or this friend's daughter died. Holy shit. In February 2009, Amber attended the funeral.

But by then she was already being weird. She said, we all knew she went off the deep end when she went to Winston-Salem. When she made her Facebook page, we saw this person with sharpened teeth, Muslim attire. Then I saw the page and I thought, what was she thinking? He's not attractive. I think we're beyond physical attractiveness here. Yeah. Jim Jones isn't hot.

Why are those guys letting him fuck him in the ass in front of people? I don't understand. Way to be so shallow, Darren. Yeah. He's not attractive. He's not even hot. She said, where did he come from? You could tell he wasn't Islamic.

Who is this person and how did he meet Amber? I don't think anyone knows. Here's what it's like. What's it like to hang with pazuzu let's say jimmy me and you were like in town and we're like let's go hang out at our bud pazuzu's house we're gonna go blow a couple of joints there we're gonna fucking have a couple of beers with him and what's that like okay here's dave adams he a friend he says when i met him, we mainly just hung out, chilled out. Maybe did a little heroin every now and then. You know, the usual.

Every now and again. Every now and again. You know, just like we do. Every now and again, we shoot up and not off. And, you know, it just happens. He said, you know, just a shit ton of drinking and cut ourselves and each other. You know. And each other.

You know. And each other. You and each other you know we just did a little heroin from time to time and sliced each other's arms and rubbed our blood on the walls you know kid stuff oh boy he then said maybe drank the blood of a bird or so oh boy i just picture him popping the head off and drinking it like it's a fucking, like it's a Capri Sun and sucking it until it's flat. Holy. Do you tap it on the table afterwards? I think so.

Make sure it's out. He said, you know, maybe drink the blood of a bird or so. You know, just all around having a good time. What? So, drinking a little heroin, shit ton of drinking, cutting yourselves, and drinking the blood of a bird is a good time. What? So, drinking a little heroin, shit ton of drinking, cutting yourselves, and drinking the blood of a bird is a good time. You know. God.

People would come to Pazuzu's house because they knew it was free reign. There were no rules, no anything you had to abide by. You could piss on his carpet. You could smash a TV. You could hit somebody in the head with a beer bottle. You could throw a knife at his wall somebody in the head with a beer bottle you could throw a knife at his wall it didn't matter you know you know just drink the bird that drink the blood of a bird he said you knock on the door and immediately you hear a shit ton of dogs barking

and then pazuzu answers the door you're greeted with the smell of just ammonia ammonia it just smells like straight urine and like rotting matter you know uh greets you as soon as the doors open he was crazy looking enough you know with the long ratty ass dreadlocks and all of his teeth filed down to a point which later came to find out he did high as hell on meth oh you have to be you have to be high on meth to do that to yourself later come to find out how do you not see it and go, oh, that guy did that on drugs? You go, holy shit, what did you shoot a fucking gram of meth and do that to yourself? What the fuck is wrong with you?

What happened? How did this guy have the door open and smile and be like, finally, I've found my people? This is it. This is the place. What's wrong with Dave? I guess if you're into shooting heroin and cutting yourself and drinking the bird of blood of birds and yeah i guess he said people would get so drunk that there that human beings would just pop a squat in the corner and take a crap and god knows when it

would get cleaned up or the dogs would eat it or whatever oh jesus god that's horrifying i hope you're all eating leftovers from the holiday here. You walked into his kitchen, and it was like any other kitchen until he opened up his dishwasher. When he opened up his dishwasher, it was filled with serious weapons. It wasn't like any other kitchen, by the way. It was filthy with shit stacked on top of the counters to the ceiling. It was the most disgusting. Gun safe is the whirlpool.

Gun safe is this dishwasher. So here's August of 2009. A lieutenant, Lieutenant Foster with the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office, met with Alan Billings, a woman named Billings here, and her mother. Alan Billings, a woman named Billings here, and her mother concerning some information about a homicide that may have occurred that they got word about at the Pazuzu residence here. At the Algarod residence. Yeah. They're talking about a guy named Alan Billings is the rumor. And this is Ms. Tarina Billings.

This is Alan Billings' daughter. She tells the police here that Mr. Alan Billings, her father, had been at the Pazuzu residence about two weeks earlier, July 19, 2009, to socialize with an occupant of the residence, which would be Pazuzu. Okay. So Alan's daughter is older? An adult, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, an adult. She goes to police, and she goes there,

and she tells the cop that when Alan returned home, he told her he had observed a dead body in the basement of the house. So this Ms. Billings tells the cops that Alan Billings told her the body was covered with a plastic tarp and had cat litter and chlorine about around it to alleviate the odor, which I don't know how you'd even smell it over everything else. So she also told this lieutenant that Alan Billings told her that a resident Pazuzu told Alan Billings that he had shot the individual ten times because the man was a snitch. Okay. So, Ms. Billings tells the lieutenant that Alan told her that Pazuzu then dismembered the body and that Alan Billings helped bury the dismembered body parts throughout the backyard of the residence. Alan told his daughter this?

His daughter this. I had a weird day. How was your day, Dad? Oof, I'll tell you. Strange day. went and hung out with this shark tooth fella and did weird did the devil's work with he did a little that some of that bullshit i don't know what the hell he was even talking about i don't know something about some shit alan's a 50 something year old man something like that who cares it doesn't

matter somewhere it's just fascinating that the man that's this age has an adult daughter and is still associating with this shit everybody here is an adult that shouldn't want to hang out here doing this yeah unless you're like 16 and you're like parents fucking molest you and you have nowhere else to go that and then you should go in there to shoot heroin that's the only excuse you have to be here otherwise the fuck are you doing here? If you have a house of your own, you're a scumbag. Why are you here? Why are you here?

So she said that Alan had told her that the dead guy was a white male, maybe in his 20s, but didn't have a name. He didn't catch it. Yeah. Also, she said that her dad had told her not to go to the residence because he said that if I get caught, I'm looking at life in prison for helping him. She also told the lieutenant here

that her dad told her that she could still smell, not that her dad told her, but that she could still smell the distinct odor of the body once he was home. So she could smell it on him. It's in his clothes in this oh that death will stick to you boy death will stick uh yeah i get like homicide detectives the same suits they wear to work they don't wear to fucking dinner on saturday night with their

wife you know no fuck no it stinks like body yeah not wearing that to church. No, they provided a date of July 17th, 2009, and said that's when Alan said this occurred. So she also said that when she tried to talk with her father further about it, he wouldn't talk more about it. So on August 3rd, 2009, the lieutenant is over at the Billings residence to talk to Alan about this. I'd like to have a chat with you. Your daughter says this and that. I told her not to say. He said, Alan said, I don't know what you're talking about. I've been there on several different occasions, but I never saw a dead body or helped with

a burial. Okay, well, why would your daughter make that up? Yeah. He does say that Pazuzu told him on July 19th that Pazuzu had shot and killed a, quote, fat motherfucker. Oh, as he put it about three days before that with an assault rifle. Yeah. And Pazuzu told him that he'd shot him 10 times. So that's lining up. He's just saying I didn't help out with anything and i didn't see any corpse alan also says that he didn't question pazuzu about the murder and told pazuzu that he didn't want to know anything about it i know anything i don't want to know him um then alan call then

he said that um the following day pazuzu called him and told him that pazuzu had chopped up the body and buried it. Hey, just want to let you know, that body we were talking about, got it all taken care of. Chopped it up, buried it, so everything's cool over here. So that's that. So he then, on August 4th, the

lieutenant goes to Casa Pazuzu over here. Trying to establish contact with Pazuzu. So he arrives. He made contact with Pazuzu. Like we say, he opens the door and the waft hits you in the face. Yeah, it gets in the throat.

He tells Pazuzu that I have some information from several people that you shot and killed someone in your basement and buried the body in the backyard. He said, absolutely not. I could never. Could never. The lieutenant says he observed an in-ground swimming pool as well as a cat at the residence, so it's possible that chlorine and cat litter are stored at the residence without it being nefarious. And the pool's clean, huh? No.

Right. No. If they shit in the corner, no one's out there. Get the leaves out. Seriously. The filter's going to get clogged. It's going to go green, man. No one's saying that.

So on September 24th, 2009, the police department received an anonymous Crime Stoppers tip that contained information about a subject by the name of tozuzu must be a different guy right it can't be sure there's a lot of azuzus around here is a few houses down yeah he's down there you don't know that's my cousin yeah the the report said that tozuzu had shot a subject and buried him in the backyard said the guy is missing for about a month and described the victim shot a subject and buried him in the backyard. Said the guy is missing for about a month and described the victim as a big and tall guy. Fat motherfucker, quote unquote. So, yeah. Now we go to February 9th, 2010.

The Winston-Salem Police, their cold case homicide unit, receives two anonymous emails concerning Pazuzu. Oh. This is a nightmare. The information contained in the email said that Pazuzu and his girlfriend, Amber, by the way, her nickname to all the friends is Bubbles. That's what everyone calls her. Old Bubbles Birch. Old Bubbles Birch there. Oh, fuck.

Which sounds like an old cowboy sidekick in a western from the 30s. That's Bubbles Birch. Old Bubbles Birch there. Oh, fuck. Which sounds like an old cowboy sidekick in a western from the 30s. That's Bubbles Birch. It's just so goddamn dumb. My God. They said that this call, the tip said that they picked up a the backyard under a tarp and described pazuzu as a religious extremist with mental disorders such as schizophrenia and agoraphobia they got that down pretty well yeah um 2010 also he gets in trouble because his mom who by the way moves back into the house amongst this squalor and just lives in it so for a long time i was like herself for a long time i was like she might be normal and bad circumstance nope if you'll live amongst this you're that's

just i'm sorry if you can accept this as a state of being in a condition of living impossible it's fucking disgusting well she tells police that he choked her oh she told police that she was afraid of him but didn't want to press charges. She didn't want to fuck his life up. Obviously, he's got enough problems. So Pazuzu at this point is receiving disability payments because of problems being nervous and paranoid while outside of the house. What is he going to get a job in the HR department in a fucking insurance company? Look at this guy. He can't even bag groceries at trader joe's no he's a fucking sharpened teeth and nazi and fucking swastikas

on his face he can't have that so he did work briefly in landscaping but that's it that didn't work out his mother's the payee for his disability check because of his problem with phobias she can go to the bank and all that so here here's another back to the investigation here. This is February 9th, 2010. A Ms. Stacey Carter was contacted by a friend named Allison Stitzer who told her, told Stacey Carter that she said, I'm at a concert in Asheville, and while I was there, I learned that your ex-fiance, Josh Wetzler, had been murdered and buried in Pazuzu's backyard.

Oh. Yeah. So this woman's like, my friend told me she heard this at a concert. What? At a concert, this comes up. Watching Blues Traveler. Did you hear about that murder? Man, it's good.

That opening band really sucked. Can't wait for that cover band they're at the summer shindig man i heard they're playing beatles and smashing pumpkins i can't wait by the way y'all hear that uh your ex-fiancee got shot and dismembered in a satanist backyard because that's what happened i didn't hear that i I did hear that. Yeah, that's right. So they said that this whole thing here, this person told the sergeant that she called Pazuzu when she hadn't seen or heard from Josh in a while, Joshua, because she knew that Pazuzu was acquainted with Joshua. So she said that she asked Pazuzu if he had seen or heard from Joshua lately. And Pazuzu told her, quote, not to worry about fat Josh anymore and then changed the subject what that's not a good sign no that's a bad sign Jesus so February 15th 2009 this woman contacted the Davie County Sheriff's Department

and reported Josh Wetzler missing after that so she also told the county sheriff's department and reported josh wetzler missing after that so she also told the county sheriff's office that josh was last seen in mid-june at her residence in davie county and said that josh had been on a downward spiral with depression and drugs and then he's also on probation oh so like if he's on probation the cops are like that's cool because we can find him and if he's in a situation he's not supposed to be, at least we can pick him up. Whereas he's got to be documented wherever he is. Exactly. She also stated that Josh had recently lost custody of their child because of no electricity or running water at his residence. She said that Josh had no job or money and that he had a history of disappearing for periods at a time.

And she said that when she hadn't heard from Josh after several months, she thought he was on the run from probation, but after no one from their family had heard from him after the holidays, they started to grow concerned. So she said that she and Joshua had a five-year-old son in common, and she said despite all of his problems,

when he's around, he's a kid, he's a great father, and never went long without contacting his son. No matter what kind of shit mess he was in, he'd always contact his son. Yeah. So they're like, what the fuck? So they said that Josh is in constant contact with his mother in New York, and she hadn't heard from Josh either. This is a problem. She said she contacted all of his known associates, and no one had heard or seen from them.

He's 6'1", 37 years old, Josh Wetzler, and she describes him as being heavyset or overweight. Oh. Yeah. She said she considered Joshua to be homeless since his electricity and water had been turned off for nonpayment and his landlord had evicted him. Yeah, that's the very definition of it.

Yeah, not having a place to stay. That's that. I call him homeless because he doesn't live anywhere. I call him homeless because he doesn't have a home. So I don't want to be too judgmental. He's certainly not home full. Yeah, he's not home full. They said that Josh was into the hippie scene

and used to go to Grateful Dead concerts a lot in years past. They said that he knows, they know well from Pazuzu and they all know each other here. So his vehicle was located actually at an apartment complex. He had a 1989 Buick, which is 2010. He's got an 89 Buick. It's rough. Rough going here. 2010. He's got an 89 Buick.

That's rough. Rough going here. They found that in an apartment complex at 300 East Brookline Street in Winston-Salem. They said the police officer found his vehicle parked illegally within the parking lot and found the driver's side window rolled down and the keys in the ignition.

It's such a shit car you can leave it in a parking lot in an apartment complex for several days. Windows down, keys in the ignition months. It's actually still there. Oh, no, that's that was 726. They found it. Sorry.

So no. At any amount of time, though, an hour. God damn. At that point, they did a check on it, found it hadn't been reported stolen. So they just gave it a ticket and moved on. on it found it hadn't been reported stolen so they just gave it a ticket and moved on so uh february 23rd 2010 lieutenant foster applies for and is granted a search warrant for the pazuzu residence okay okay oh jesus this poor bastard doesn't know how yeah of a gift you don't want this at all yeah you need a hazmat suit yeah so this they get a collaborative

effort going on with the north carolina state bureau of investigation um the davy county sheriff's office everything they look all through this and they said that they found no physical evidence that indicated a homicide had occurred there and it's such a mess it would be hard yeah um yeah it's it's it's difficult here and they said that they were you know they didn't know what to do at that point they're like okay what the fuck do we do now sprayed luminol but it's just glowing penis pentagrams everywhere yeah that's that's the thing and they said they even had a cadaver dog sniff in the backyards and all of that um so they conduct an interview with Pazuzu while on the scene. And he denied any and all involvement in the homicide or burying bodies or anything like that.

He said, I'm gross, but I'm not a murderer. I mean, want your teeth filed down? Those look a little square. By the way, I can help you with that. So at that point, too, that the detectives did not have a specific location in the backyard to search. They just sent the dog walking around. There's also they said that there were three males that went missing from the Clemens area between June 2009 and June 2010, two of which had not been located. Tommy Dean Welch and Joshua Wetzler.

And the third missing person was found in a river in Yadkin County. It was a single gunshot wound to the head with a.22, but the other two still missing, and one of them is Josh. Let's talk about the Joseph Emmerich Chandler here. He's the guy who was found in the river. So he was found there, they said, shortly before 9.40 a.m. Employees on a boat ramp in the park found him dead from a gunshot wound. They interviewed several suspects in the killing, but no arrests were made.

Chandler had attended a party at another man's home in Clemens on Sunday. Uh-oh. A videotape shows Chandler with the same man earlier at a convenience store in Clemens. No evidence of a struggle and any of that stuff. So let's talk about this. October 2010, they're going to arrest Pazuzu for Joseph Chandler. Really? Yes, because that's the guy he was with before that.

He was with Pazuzu. And now he's dead in a river. So they'd like to have a chat with him. And he's charged with his involvement in the death here. But he's charged as an accessory after the fact of involuntary manslaughter. Okay. So he only receives five years probation. What?

Five years probation. For what the fuck? He was accused of misleading investigators and allowing a suspect in the shooting to stay at his home. That's what they said. They said he didn't do it, but they think somebody else did it. The Nicholas Pasqual Rizzi of Louisville was charged with involuntary manslaughter. On his way back from getting some Mario food. He did that. So yeah,

his mom said he's, she's concerned for Pazuzu's mental health. Really? After all this, she said he's worried he might kill himself one day. So psychiatrist during this whole thing, interviewed mom, Cynthia James,

while Pazuzu was awaiting trial and psychiatrist wanted to see if he was competent to stand trial for this. So according to the psychiatrist's report here, he had told psychiatrists that he practiced a Sumerian religion that involved the sacrificing of animals. Yeah. He said he would have to perform the ritual during what he called the Black Moon. Sure, sure. Yeah, obviously. What else are you going to fucking do?

What are you going to do with a crescent? Are you going to crescent that shit? It's got to be the new moon. It's got to be a black moon. I mean, Jesus, obviously. And asked if he could get out of the hospital to perform his blood ritual. Maybe once a month, just send me on home. He was concerned with that.

Unbelievable. So the mom said, she told the psychiatrist she was afraid pazuzu might try to kill himself if he could not perform the dark moon sacrifice you gotta let him out of here so they said that he did that all the time in his house pentagrams and satanic messages scrawled on the walls of the house and there's what appeared to be animal carcasses and shit everywhere so So, yeah, obviously mental health evaluation. During the interview with psychiatrists, Pazuzu shook uncontrollably and admitted to drinking about 18 beers a day by this point.

Oh, boy. That's why he's shaking. They also noticed he had intentionally filed down his teeth, had poor hygiene and body odor. The report said, and he admitted that he bathed no more than once a year and had not brushed his teeth in years. He felt such actions stripped the body of its defenses and warning off infection and illness. Be filthy and you'll have less infections.

Don't temper yourself or you'll get the flu. Wow. Yeah. You kind of have like a layer of bacteria of your own to ward off the outside bacteria. So psychiatrists determined, again, that he suffers from schizophrenia, agoraphobia, alcoholism, but mentally competent to stand trial, they said here. Yeah. So they said whenever he's outside of his house, he feels markedly increased anxiety, leading at times to actual episodes of panic. As a result of this anxiety, he has tremendously limited his activities, essentially making himself a prisoner in his own home.

He said he told doctors in an interview that he was arrested because, quote, they say I witnessed someone kill someone and I didn't report it. That's what he's saying. He also says he has panic symptoms and everything else. because, quote, they say I witnessed someone kill someone and I didn't report it. That's what he's saying. He also says he has panic symptoms and everything else. The doctors said that he was healthy and taking medications for his mental illness, including Paxil, Lamictal, and Ativan. Ativan. Ativan.

He said the drugs made him feel like a zombie. Yes, because they gave you a lot of them because you're out of your fucking mind. That's what they're doing. Those are antipsychotics and they're trying to help you. I'm usually against these zombifying drugs, but in this case, I'm all for them. If we could get a drug where he literally can't move, that would be wonderful. Can we do that? This guy's terrifying. Just a tranquilizer in a gun form.

I don't care. Shoot him in the fucking neck every day. I don't give a shit. Trank dart form. I don't care. Shoot him in the fucking neck every day. I don't give a shit. Trank dart him. I don't care. Out of his mind. He gets out of bed, stretches, pop, trank dart. He falls over.

So he said that he frequently fought with other students in school and was always disrespectful to teachers. And he said he had schizophrenia, quote quote because i get paranoid that someone's out to get me you don't have schizophrenia because of that you think that because of the schizophrenia that's the problem you're backwards there so this is from the 2010 forensic psychiatric evaluation accidentally posted online in full by the hospital oh no, no. Yeah. This is from the date of October 4th, 2010. It said on admission, he appeared as cooperative and behaviorally appropriate. And he appeared to be a cooperative and behaviorally appropriate white male who appeared his stated age. His hair was long, uncombed and and braided into matted plaits

with pieces of metallic wire wound in it as part of the braids. Wow. I guess to keep the structure, because you're a blonde kid. He had numerous tattoos on his face, trunk, arms, and hands. There was a scar in the shape of an inverted cross

on his forehead, because that's what he's carved in his forehead now, as well as faint scars on both cheeks, curving up from the corners of his mouth to the angles of his jaw. Yeah, he gave himself Joker scars. That's nice. As well as a healing burn injury on his right forearm, which he said represented a brand that was, quote, part of my religion.

The tips of his teeth showed intentional tapering, and he subsequently admitted that years ago he attempted to file them down to points. Mr. Algorad has generally poor hygiene with notable body odor and has admitted he bathed no more than once a year and has not brushed his teeth in years because he felt that these actions stripped the body of its defenses and warding off infection and illness. He described his moods as nervous while his affect appeared quite apprehensive and anxious. His speech was tremulous but otherwise of normal rate, tone, and volume. His hands shook and he had a difficulty remaining seated, frequently arising to pace the room. Yeah, psychomotor activity was otherwise within normal limits. No unusual verbal or physical mannerisms were noted. He tended to insist that he had done nothing wrong and that he did not know why he'd been sent here. Okay. denied symptoms consistent with hallucinations and displayed no behavioral evidence to the contrary.

He also, although he similarly, although he voiced unusual beliefs, it was not clear whether any of these rose to the level of constituting delusions. If you feel that bad things are going to happen, if you don't do your black moon sacrifice. Yeah, that's that's probably delusional a bit. I think maybe a little a little bit delusional here. They said that he was his intellectual functioning was estimated to be in the average range. He's five foot eight, one hundred eighteen pounds. Jesus.

But has high cholesterol and a BMI of seventeen point nine. He has 20 20 body fat so somehow at 5 8 a buck 20 he's fat i don't know how the fuck he worked that out but he figured it out with high cholesterol with high cholesterol because imagine what he eats shit fast food probably yeah probably he stated that he was spiritually married to his girlfriend oh you, you and Cody Brown, huh? Both of you. Your spiritual marriages. Who was two and a half months pregnant with their child. This is when she loses it, though. He denied any other children born either in or out of wedlock.

At the time of his alleged offense, he was living with his mother and girlfriend at his mother's house. He reported practices that he practices a Sumerian religion having been an adherent of it since he was 17 he later acknowledged that he and his wife were the only ones who practiced this religion because he fucking made it up but he said that he learned of its rights and beliefs while going through a five-year shamanastic journey no he's a shamanista james are you out of your fucking mind he went he had to go through the whole journey to figure it out, and then he made his own fucking religion up. At the time of his admission, he expressed great concern

because every month he had to perform a specific ritual during the Black Moon, which was supposed to occur in another day or so. He repeatedly requested being discharged from the hospital so he would be able to be home to perform the rituals at its appointed time promising that he would return for evaluation when the right when the ritual was complete listen i'll be back in a minute you guys got like a van or something outside uh wow information from his mother suggested the ritual involved killing a small animal as part of a sacrifice okay he did not voice any other significant spiritual concerns.

Been hospitalized for mental health care when he was around 13, having been sent there by his mother because of, quote, getting into trouble. He eventually denied any other history of prior psychiatric hospitalizations and other periods of working with outpatient mental health services. He said he had been diagnosed in the past with agoraphobia saying that when he's outside his house, my quote, my anxiety gets so high.

I faint. Well, you're a real devil, aren't you? If you could defeat the devil by just pushing him out in his front yard, that would be real easy, right? No one would even worry about it.

You're when you're out there to the sandworms get you like what that's what i mean what are we talking about he also says he has schizophrenia because i get paranoid that someone's out to get me he also reported a diagnosis of manic depression associated with occasional mood swings but not over little things, he said, but he denies any history of pervasive, effective dysregulation or psychotic symptoms. And he denied ever being suicidal. So yeah, this is fucking insane. So 2011,

Amber takes a trip home and her friend said she was acting on edge. She Amber told her a story about how, you know, the law had shown up at her house and that the officers said someone reported Pazuzu as a terrorist. Yeah. So she said Amber laughed about the encounter and told her friend how Pazuzu answered the door and responded with a laugh and a denial when he learned why the officers were there. So it was her and her Amber and her old friend hanging out in South Carolina on October 1st. And her friend said she was acting. She was a little more edgy acting and stuff. I thought she was a really nice person, so I had no reason not to be her friend or anything.

She came over. We caught up, had a couple of beers, and hung out at the house. So every once in a while, Amber seems to have a longing for normalcy. Where she, for a weekend, she'll go to South Carolina, see her old friends, not live in squalor, shit in a toilet. Remember the horses. Yeah, maybe pick up the bass and do a couple of rooms on it.

And that's that. Throw an apple down a horse's throat. Ride one for a little bit. And remember that she's a rich girl. That's all. So he pleads guilty now to assault on a female, which was his mother, even though she didn't want to press charges. The state did. And he's placed on probation for a year.

So now he's on a total of six years probation. Now, September 22nd 2011 amber birch this is a month after he pleads guilty to that amber is accused of slapping and attempting to choke pazuzu's mom cynthia so because pazuzu got in trouble for it yeah she'll do it so it doesn't fuck with him so it doesn't fuck with him exactly you know she probably probably told her to yeah so she is sentenced to two months or 12 months of probation as well so they both get that yeah uh two months after this she she is charged with assault and battery when the police alleged that she hit pazuzu in the face oh terrific which if you look at that guy you go with self it was self-defense, right? Obviously, look at this

fucking guy. Is he trying to bite you or something? I mean, she's not doing any damage, that's for sure. Totally. So, when they start getting arrested, one of her friends was checking out a Facebook page and said, I immediately recognized him. I was shocked. I walked outside

and said, oh my god, why are you shocked about this um wow a friend remembered at one point that she came over and amber had apologized for the mess because she hadn't washed the dishes like back in the day she said i remember one time going to amber's house she's like oh sorry there's dishes in the sink and now she's hearing about animal corpses and shit in the corner yeah she's like what the fuck so um that's very very interesting so cynthia james talks to the cops in november of 2011 she comes to the sheriff's office and says i gotta talk to you okay she said listen 2009 later months of 2009 pazuzu amber and a stocky white male came over.

She said that he was identified to her as Tommy, and they were all partying at the house. She said that she heard a gunshot and went to the area where she heard the gunshot and observed Amber holding a rifle and the Tommy subject slumped over on the couch. She told the detectives that Pazuzu told her to leave the area so she did. Try that shit with your mom. She walks in, your girlfriend just shot a guy and he's like, go away. My mom was like, what are you talking about?

Oh my God, it would be the end of the world. She wouldn't go away at all. Then she said that a short time later another white female, identified as Dixieie came over and was helping Amber bury the body in the backyard so Pazuzu did nothing she did all the killing and burying that's according to Pazuzu's mom she told the detective that she looked out her bathroom window and observed Dixie and Amber digging a hole in the backyard just two chicks just a couple of

chicks doing some fucking cleanup here. Not my Johnny. Not my Johnny. So time goes by. There's a missing person report for Tommy Welch, a guy named Tommy Welch. On August 5th, 2013, they contacted Welch's mother and obtained no new information on her son. He'd been reported missing in 2009. He was one of those three, remember? It was Wetzler and Chandler and this guy. He was last reporting, missing reported missing in 2009. He was one of those three. Remember it was Wetzler and the Chandler and this guy, he was last seen at his brother's apartments,

which is in Clemens as well. He left his brother's apartment and was said to be walking to his apartment in Clemens. He could be seen on a video surveillance, um, from a gas station here near the road here. He could be seen walking through a parking lot of a Lowe's food and walked out of the camera's view and was never heard from after that ever again. So, um, in 2014, somebody came in or the cop came to speak with a guy named Daniel Pilcher about an

unrelated case. Okay. So this is 2014. They're just talking to some guy named Daniel Pilcher about something that has nothing to do with this. So upon making initial contact with Pilcher, he asked, Pilcher asked the cop, are you here to talk about Pazuzu? And they were like, okay, sure.

I mean, we will. Yeah, why not? So they said, yeah, let's do that. So they told they told Daniel that he was wasn't there to talk about Pazuzu. But he said, if you got anything to talk about, I'd love to. Yeah, sure. So he said this Pilcher guy said that while I lived with Pazuzu for about three months and while I was living there, Pazuzu told me there was a body buried in his backyard. Told me there was a body buried in his backyard. Oh, boy. Yeah. This Pilcher said that Pazuzu showed him specifically where the body was buried and told Pilcher that, quote, the fat motherfucker was buried right there under the plastic tarp. So the police requested Pilcher to draw a picture and show me where the body's located in the backyard.

So he indicated on a drawing that a tarp was near the house and the back door of the residence that leads to the basement. He told the cop that if you exit the basement door into the backyard, that tarp was located outside the door to the right. So at the conclusion of this interview, they say, well, will you give a whole written statement and all of that? And he said, sure, no problem, whatever. So then on September 26th, 2014, police receive a Crimestoppers report from the Winston-Salem Police Department, which had been forwarded to the applicants, forwarded to the cop here. So the Crimestoppers report showed that a subject by the name of Matthew Flowers had information about the murder and burial at Pazuzu's house. So many people are privy to this. Everybody knows. Well, this guy indicated that his ex-wife, Dixie Ross,

remember Dixie is the one that Cynthia said was digging, had assisted in the burial of the body. So that's two independent sources. He also said this guy told the cops in his report that he anonymously reported the same when he first received the information. So he was the initial anonymous call. So, yes, they talked to him. He Matthew tells the cop that he'd known Pazuzu for about eight years and that Pazuzu told him that he'd raped and murdered numerous people. That ups the ante a bit. But Matthew didn't know if Pazuzu was serious or not.

He said he couldn't provide an exact date when he heard Pazuzu make the comments. And Matthew also tells the cops that he found out that Pazuzu's girlfriend Amber and a girl he used to date, Dixie, had become close friends and that Dixie was spending time at Pazuzu's on a regular basis. He said that when he returned from deployment, Matthew was overseas, when he came back, he and Dixie began to talk again, and Matthew stated that Dixie

told him that she was a part of the family, meaning Pazuzu's weird little cult, and that she'd been involved with some weird things. Yeah, I would say. Matthew stated he grew worried about Dixie's welfare and knows that Pazuzu was extremely odd and sadistic. He also stated here, Matthew,

that he paid for Dixie's flight to Washington state where he was stationed while he was enlisted in the army. He said he picked up Dixie from the airport and during the car ride, Dixie told him that Pazuzu and Amber shot a guy in the back of the head with a.22 caliber rifle. Why are they so mouthy about it? Everybody loves to talk about who they're killing and burying. Unbelievable. It's like it's not illegal.

Like you're just talking about a restaurant you went to that was good. We went to this one place, amazing tacos. The street tacos, you gotta get them. A bit more garlic than I thought. It's a little too much garlic. I don't like Mario food, too much garlic. So Matthew told the cop that Dixie knew this because she helped them bury the body shortly after the man had been shot. So Amber called her up and said, we need help.

And she came right over with a shovel in hand, I guess. What a gal. So this guy tells the cops that once Dixie arrived at the residence, Amber told Dixie that they shot a guy. They needed help burying the body and that Dixie told him Pazuzu could not help with burying the body because he was jumping on the body yelling, you fucked up, motherfucker. Instead of, oh, because he was jumping on the body yelling, you fucked up, motherfucker. Wow. Instead of, oh, because he was doing that, and in the process of doing that, he rolled his ankle.

So he sprained his ankle jumping up and down on a corpse yelling, you fucked up, motherfucker. He's like the quarterback that twists his ankle at the celebratory dance. Yeah, the old kicker that blew his knee out jumping up yeah grammatica was it yeah so he's also says that dixie went back went into the backyard and began helping dig with amber so the mother was telling the truth on that one she also this guy also says that dixie told him that she didn't know how long she dug but that she remembered trying to hurry

well yeah it's a it's a corpse. You want to get that in there. I don't want to get caught doing this either. Yeah, Matthew then tells the cop that Dixie told him that Dixie and Amber didn't dig the hole deep enough so the body was protruding from the ground. Oh, Jesus. Which is almost worse than just leaving it sitting in the corner like fucking Weekend at Barney's. Yeah, it's a little scarier. Oh, Jesus.

Yeah, it's a little scarier. Yeah, at least if it's out in the open, you might overlook it. If you look in the backyard and see just like a fucking foot sticking out, that's a problem. Yeah, you're getting a shovel at that point. So there's just a Bucky shirt popping over the... So they said that they decided to help. They decided in order to make him fit, they decided to break the victim's legs by swinging the shovel and striking his arms and legs so that the body would fit into the hole better. Jesus, man. Let's make it even worse here.

They said that Matthew said Dixie told him that this wasn't successful. So they put a plastic tarp over the body instead. And that's their solution. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's how it is. So Matthew also said that weeks went by and he hadn't seen or heard anything from Pazuzu. So he regularly contacted Pazuzu in hopes of hearing from him that the police had come by. Did they listen to my tip?

Wow. Matthew said that about a month or two later, Pazuzu called him freaking out and was calling Dixie a bitch and a snitch because no one else knew. Matthew, because it was Matthew the whole time. Matthew said that he took leave from the army and told Pazuzu in person that he was the one who reported him to law enforcement and that he wasn't scared of him. Oh, I ain't scared. You weigh 120 pounds of cholesterol. I'm not scared of you. I've been to Iraq.

I'm not scared of you. Not scared of you. Matthew told the cop now that he would testify to what he knows. He's not scared at all. that he would testify to what he knows. He's not scared at all. He said he doesn't know where Dixie is at this moment, but he thinks she's in Winston-Salem dating a guy named Cameron. So there we go.

Now, Dixie Ross. They sit her down. They find her and they sit her down. And she says that, yeah, she recalls a conversation between her and Amber where she remembers she said that Amber looked at her and said, hey, can you keep a secret? The answer to that is not really. No, that's the answer to that. Probably not.

But try me. Not even close. I'm awful. I'm the last person you want to tell this to. Dixie said she replied, yes, like a fucking idiot. Dixie said she replied yes like a fucking idiot and then Amber Amber asked Dixie to promise not to tell anyone

even Pazuzu are we keeping it from the Sumerian gods as well who else knows Dixie said that Amber then leaned in and whispered to her and told her quote I'm going to do my first I'm going to do my first i'm going to do my first yeah nicks dixie said what what does that

mean and amber they figured dixie said it meant that premeditated murder is what she was yeah so she said dixie said she inquired further and she said you know like paz like he's done is what amber said you know like he does so but like he's done, is what Amber said. You know, like he does. But they call him Paz all the time, by the way. You could have just named yourself Paz if that's what you wanted your fucking name to be. You could just go by John at this point. That's stupid. It's one syllable. John is so easy.

So Dixie then said she recalled the time when Pazuzu stated that he had killed people and that the bodies were buried in separate locations within his backyard. Dixie said she tried to pry further into Amber's statement, but Amber changed the subject. So she said, you know, she didn't want to push here. But about three days after that, she received a text from Amber saying something to the effect of, I need your help and I need you to come over right away. I need your help and I need you to come over right away. So Dixie said she immediately got dressed and head over to the Pazuzu residence here, Casa de Pazuzu. And Dixie said that prior to leaving, she got another text from Amber that said, never mind, as she was about to go over to the house.

So she said she ignored the message and went to Pazuzu's anyway. Once she arrived, she observed Amber sitting on the front porch. Dixie said she walks up to Amber and Amber said, I just did my first with a big smile on her face. She said because Amber was smiling, she assumed that Amber was playing a joke on her. She said that Pazuzu and Amber

said they picked up a hitchhiker and he was outside in the backyard. She said at this point, she didn't believe her and she said, where's Pazuzu? I said they picked up a hitchhiker and he was outside in the backyard. She said at this point she didn't believe her. And she said, where's Pazuzu? I'll hear it from him. And she said that Amber halfway laughed and replied that Pazuzu had tripped and hurt his ankle while jumping on the hitchhiker. Then Amber said, come on inside. And Dixie said she was afraid to say no and was honestly curious whether this was a joke or not my curiosity is gone curious I am not curious at all um that is fucking crazy she said that

once she got in the living room Pazuzu saw her and placed his hand over her face and said out loud are you fucking serious you told her unbelievable uh so D over her face and said out loud, are you fucking serious? You told her? Unbelievable. So Dixie said, Amber said, no, I didn't tell her. She's just going to help me make a hole for those trees we're planting. You know, those giant trees that need like a six, six and a half foot long hole. I need a six feet wide.

Big trees, big trees were planned. Yeah, fully grown. Pulled them out of some other guy's yard oh wow and says she didn't know anything about the trees and dixie said at this point she realized that this wasn't a joke yeah so they went downstairs into the basement they were they retrieved two average sized shovels and she said she asked amber what's going on and amber said don't worry about it. I'll tell you later. And then Dixie and Amber went in the backyard.

Once they're outside and dug a hole, they observed a black tarp. She observed a black tarp laying flat over what appeared to be a body. Dixie said Amber asked her if she wanted to look under the tarp. And again, Dixie said, being afraid to say no and also wanting to know what was going on. You see a corpse shape under a tarp. You know what's going on. My curiosity is fucking over. A man said, God damn it, you told somebody?

What's wrong with you? What do you think he told her? Dixie said, yes, I'd like to see. She said she saw a white male's arm on the side of his and the side of his torso. She said he was laying face down on his stomach. And then Amber walked toward the middle of the yard and said, come on. Dixie said she replied, what the fuck is going on? And Amber said, I'll tell you later.

And then they had to. But they had to get this whole dug before the sun came up. She said the ground was extremely hard and it was difficult to dig and she said that um her sandals kept falling off when she jumped on the shovel which made it hard digging with sandals yeah that's not gonna work because she didn't know she was digging a hole for a body when she got there she said she used this as a disc as an excuse to stop digging and dixie cold told amber she couldn't do it anymore because her sandals kept falling off. So Amber then took off her own shoes and gave them to Dixie to wear. Here, wear my shoes. Wear my docs. Amber then went and put shoes on that Dixie never saw before. She said then

Amber started beginning to sing as she's digging. She says, singing, quote, I'm wearing a dead man shoes oh just having fun over and over very loud she said wearing that guy's shoes which defeats the purpose of digging at night yeah you're yeah if you're down dog if you're singing your crimes out loud really the time of day doesn't matter at that point we may as well do this during the day and amber she said she asked amber are you serious and amber laughed and said yeah dixie said she was disgusted but still continued to dig she said you know very curious this is what happens this is what minding your own business will avoid she the last thing amber sent her was never mind. And she said, no, no, no. I'm going to explore.

Then Amber said, oh, this is what happened. Really? Let me look into it further. Really? Let me look into it further. Look into it further. You want to look under this tarp? I was curious.

So I look. Mind your own fucking business. So, wow. She said the hole was then a few feet deep. Pazuzu came out of the house wearing the knife, as he usually does, clipped to his belt. Dixie said Pazuzu took a look at the hole and told them to put the body in the hole. They looked at one another and said the hole was too small then and the body wouldn't fit. Pazuzu told Amber and Dixie it would be fine and just put the goddamn body in the hole.

Just do it. He's a lazy murderer. Yeah. Dixie said that she started to tell Pazuzu no, but Pazuzu said, quote, and just put the goddamn body in the hole. Just do it. He's a lazy murderer. Yeah. Dixie said that she started to tell Pazuzu no, but Pazuzu said, quote, bitch, there's plenty of room for you in this yard, too. I'll make another one.

Wow. While looking around the backyard with his arms up. You see room? I got room in this fucking yard. One thing I got, it's backyard, baby. Bring it on. Wow. dixie said she refused to drag the body and told pazuzu that he and amber would have to do it dixie said that pazuzu spat on the ground and replied all right fine they said that dixie uh said that pazuzu and amber

walked over to the body and began to drag the body by the feet with the tarp still laying on top i don't even think he hurt his ankle. I think he pretended it so he didn't have to dig a hole. He's lazy. Yeah. Dixie said once the body was near the hole, Amber and Pazuzu removed the tarp and tried to force the body into the hole. She said that's when she first observed the entire body. She said a white male, light brown or sandy blonde hair, about 200 pounds, wearing only boxers.

And that's what she said. male, light brown or sandy blonde hair, about 200 pounds, wearing only boxers, and that's what she said. She said she started seeing, she saw the eyes of the dead person and recalled them being gray and cold looking. Well, he's been dead for a while. And she also saw a bullet hole in the back of his head. Jesus. So she said that

Dixie said the Pazuzu, it was between the back and side of the head was the bullet hole. She said that they flipped the body over into the hole and that at that point the body didn't fit. So, yeah, and suggested maybe move the body into the fetal position, Dixie said. And Pazuzu said, nah, let's just break his arms and legs. Just beat it. Yeah. So she watched them swing the shovels like's just break his arms and legs. Just beat it. Yeah. So she watched them swing the shovels like baseball bats at his arms and legs.

She said she didn't recall seeing any damage, but vividly recalls the noise the shovels made when they struck the body. She said she didn't recall hearing bones break, but after they were done striking him with shovels, they continued to cover the body with dirt. were done striking him with shovels they continued to cover the body with dirt um at one point uh pazuzu's mother since cynthia came outside and acted as if she was pulling weeds i'm just gonna do some gardening in the middle of the night while you bury a corpse that's normal right dixie said pazuzu cursed at his mother and told her to get the fuck back inside yeah stop stop being so curious oh my. Once they were out of dirt, Dixie said she could still see the dead guy's knee and part

of the head sticking out above the ground. She pointed that out to Pazuzu and then they just pulled the tarp over the body. Then Pazuzu grabbed random items from around the backyard and placed them on top of the tarp. You know, to keep it down in the wind. Amber then suggested they clean the shovels by dunking them into the pool.

Clean pool. Very clean. Would you do that with your pool? You have a pool. I would never. God, no. Oh, God. That's going to take a week to fix.

Oh, no. They added that Pazuzu kept his pool overly chlorinated and that Amber must have thought this would remove any evidence of a crime from the shovels. Oh, my God. Dixie said she followed Amber and Pazuzu upstairs. That's where they said the shooting occurred. And Amber and Pazuzu told her parts about the murder. She said that they picked up a hitchhiker to party with. And Dixie said that they returned to Pazuzu's house while they were partying. party with and Dixie said that they returned to Pazuzu's house while they were partying they began to ask uh questions such as his family if anyone was expecting him yeah you don't have like

a bunch of people you don't have like a dad who's like a state trooper who's expecting you to be there in a half hour do you yeah anywhere you're supposed to be uh anybody gonna corroborate that that timeline anything like that uh Dixie said Amber then walked into pazuzu's room retrieved a gun and shot him in the back of the head so this is dixie's deed here yeah so uh amber's deed amber's deed i mean not dixie this is amber's deed here dixie then said that they told her that he was sitting on the left side of the couch and that dixie said that they told her if you tell anyone even n, who was her boyfriend at the time, that she would be their second or maybe third.

It was at this time they allowed Dixie to leave, but asked her if she was going to come back in the future. Being scared, she replied, yes. I'll be right back. I'll be right back. Everything she replied yes to, she should have replied no to in this entire day. Petrified, yeah. She came back two days later

and pretended everything was fine dixie said she said everyone was drinking and having a good time and dixie began taking pictures of everyone she said she made sure that she captured the tarp that was still covering the body in the background of the pictures she was hoping she would have the courage to take the pictures uh to law uh take the pictures coupled with her story to law enforcement but she said she just didn't have the balls to do it yeah it's not easy yeah she said that there was a small get-together at pazuzu's apartment about two weeks after the murder and that amber asked her to help with the body again because it was starting to smell she said there's too many people here They're going to see what we're doing. And Amber said that God, Amber Dixie said Amber comforted her and said Pazuzu will keep all the people away. So again, there was a big pile of loose dirt by the body. And Dixie said she and Amber began to shovel the loose dirt onto the body.

dirt onto the body. She said the smell was so foul that she had to cover her face with her sweatshirt and also they were then you know patted the dirt down with their shovels. They said this didn't help at all with the smell. No. Next Dixie noticed that her boyfriend Nate was observed by Pazuzu peeking through the window toward the backyard. Pazuzu then came into the backyard and told Dixie to go check on Nate and Dixie said she went to the front porch where Nate was and he was extremely intoxicated. Dixie said Nate saw her in the backyard and he thought she

was participating in their weird rituals or something to that effect. He's like, I don't know, they're doing some weird shit. What bloodletting shit are they doing back there? Dixie said that she was relieved that Nate didn't really know what was going on, but then told him a lie and stated she wasn't doing anything like that. She was helping them build a fire pit for the party.

We're burying the fire pit. Yeah. So they asked Dixie, the cops do, is there a fire pit in the backyard? And she said no. So if he just said, oh, cool, let's go to the fire pit, there's no fire pit uh that is fucking wild so she said the pazuzu often talked about building a fire pit because

his dogs would dig up the animal sacrifices he'd buried and chew on the room on the remains he said he was just dixie said she was just thinking on her feet and the first thing that came to her mind was a fire pit so um when all this is taken in they go well we have some definite probable cause here for a lot that's a pretty detailed deal here yeah so august 22nd 2014 they talked to daniel pilcher who knew algarod and he said he lived there for three months and we talked about all that he was the one that i was talking about the murder as well. So they go to his house to search.

Okay. On the front door. It's a gross day. Yeah. There's a sign warning law enforcement personnel not to enter. And it says no gang members allowed. Anyone that dresses the same has the same badge and calls and calls themselves the authority of the land they did not create cannot come in here. Evil will triumph. And there's a big picture of skull and crossbones there as well.

Okay. So that's nice. That's the search they do here. If you've got a uniform, you're not welcome here? Exactly. Whether it's in a gang uniform or a cop uniform, it's all the same. Pizza uniform. Yeah, yeah.

Like an old rap song, you know, talking about how the LAPD is the biggest gang in town. So on – the cops say that too, actually. Do they? Yeah, that's a big thing. They go, we got the biggest, most well-armed gang in the whole city. The cops say that all the time. That's a – yeah, they say that. Especially in Baltimore,

that was a big thing. Yeah. So, and I've read books with cops literally saying that. That's a shitty thing to say. Oh, wow. So, on 11 a.m. here this one day, we'll talk about,

Tommy Welch is found. Tommy Dean Welch is one of the... They find two bodies in shallow graves in the house. In the backyard? In the backyard. In the backyard. One is Dean Welch is one of the, they find two bodies in shallow graves in the house, in the backyard, the backyard. One is Tommy Welch, by the way,

less than a mile from his apartment. So he was walking from one apartment to the other happened to, you know, do that. So that's very fucking sad. I would say he said that, that his brother and his wife and children were supposed to have dinner and watch movies together. But he never showed up.

So they were having Domino's pizza. Yeah, he never came, never showed up for the Domino's. Yeah. So Pazuzu and Amber are charged with murder and accessory after the fact. And Crystal Nicole Matlock, who was 28 years old, was charged with an accessory after the fact. And Crystal Nicole Matlock, who was 28 years old, was charged with an accessory after the fact. What did Crystal do? We'll find that out, yeah.

They talk about Josh. They call him a peace-loving hippie, Joshua Welzer. They found him. They found skeletal remains of Welzer and Welch here. So what are the, or Wetzler and Welch. What are the odds that you kill two guys that begin with the name W? What are the odds of that? So, wow.

They said that he wasn't into like any of the – he wasn't into like any of the weird shit. He was just into – he liked to do drugs and do all that. His ex-wife said he didn't domesticate well, which is good way to put it okay then they say this he dug a hole that just got deeper you don't say that when he was found in a shallow grave in the backyard he just lost contact with a lot of friends why doesn't anybody think of the words they use ever awareness is no it's great how often do we come across this type of thing though is it because it's in their brain yeah it's a seed that's planted and they it's weird they just don't know how to have a a good thought about some other than the what they've they've said that a million times is the thing they've said to somebody a bunch of times he's does drugs he gets himself into a hole

and he digs deeper and deeper deeper hole but is it like one of those things that's planted in your head like don't say he dug a deeper hole like like when we would do like a you know like a local news spot and they'd be like don't curse and i'm like all i want to do is say fuck now shit what am i gonna do the whole time like don't say fuck don't say fuck don't say fuck that's all i'm saying in my head like if you just wouldn't have told me that i wouldn't want to but but now I want to. So, yeah, they got along. I guess he worked for Domino's Pizza, and he had stopped, had some pizza, and then took off here.

So this is very fucking sad, obviously. Keith Bryson is a guy who lived across the street of Pazuzu. And he said that he watched, he had watched the dogs come two years earlier and get no results and everything. And now they're coming and finding fucking bodies back here. So yeah, this is, this is fucking wild,

man. So the autopsies come in here and autopsy report shows that one of the men's skeletal remains that were found there was shot multiple times, including three times in the head. So these are both guys from the same time. Wetzler was shot three times in the head, four times around the torso.

Welch was shot once in the back of the head. So Dixie helped bury that guy because she said she saw the one wound in the back of the head. So three people charged in the killings, like we said, and they're all going to have to go to court. They say that this was all July 2009 and then Welch was in October 2009. They finished all the medical exams and said, obviously, murder. They both been shot and buried in a fucking yard.

Not a lot to say. Not a lot to you can't really go. Well, I don't know. It's cloudy whether it's a fucking yard not a lot to uh you know say not a lot to you can't really go well i don't know it's cloudy whether it's a murder or not he might have shot himself in the back of the head with a rifle and then buried himself in the fucking the yard mass suicide in my backyard yeah so they they're still investigating the house here they're walking through the house and trying to figure this out. And I'll post pictures of the house on our social media. It is, you remember, it's fucking insane.

It's disgusting. It's absolutely horrifying. This is owned, the house is owned by Cynthia Lawson and her ex-husband, Johnny Larry James. Johnny Larry. Johnny Larry. Johnny Larry James? Johnny Larry James is his first name you could just mix those up like dice and roll them james larry johnny no problem good enough yeah larry james johnny okay that's a name sure why not yeah works for me so um they're talking about

there's a lot of talk about didn't the cops come here with cadaver dogs while there was two corpses in the yard? Right, what the fuck? Like, not even buried deep. Like, so much you could smell it just hanging out. Right there, yeah. That is, that's crazy. Those are shit dogs. They need to train those fucking dogs better.

So they said that they have videos of the house, and the way they put it is, rooms and hallways are blanketed in trash and animal carcasses. The walls are spray painted in graffiti covered in mold in line with hundreds of satanic photos and drawings. They said that, according to a friend here, Algarod claimed to get high from eating the still beating heart of sacrificial animals. from eating the still-beating heart of sacrificial animals. What the fuck, dude? Got high off of that and bragged openly about having killed two prostitutes at one point, too. That is something else.

But they only found in the yard the two bodies. But then again, one got ditched in a river before that. Yeah, who knows? Wow. One time when this one friend talks about uh conditions inside the house she said they were so bad that she thought she was going to vomit when she came over she said when she first arrived to visit amber in 2009 pazuzu was completely naked perfect and never put any clothes on the whole time she was there. Just hoping. Just hung out. She's hot to you or not?

God, yeah. He's like, what do I do with my cock like that? Look at it. I got high cholesterol. Let's get after it. You're not a woman. That's not going to work. Yeah.

Women are like, oh, God, why are you naked? You're a 5'8 skinny guy. Nobody wants to see your dick. Skinny fat guy. Yeah. Yeah. Slim thick. Nobody wants that.

She also said the excrement on the floor she couldn't tell it was a mix of animal and human god damn it she said he was on all kinds of drugs and drink when i got there i'm pretty sure i witnessed him peeing in the corner she also said that his behavior was very sexual very very provocative. He's helicoptering. Yeah, his dick is out. That's all provocative. Very provocative, yeah. Hey, check out my cock is a provocative thing to do.

She said she walked into the house trying not to step on the excrement. She saw satanic sayings written all over the wall and filthy dishes piled up, quote, with bugs crawling all over them. God damn it. She said it reeked of feces and urine. Yeah. She said you didn't get a good feeling walking into the house at all. It was dark. It was like a lifeless house.

It was creepy. There's so many dead things in there. That is fucking funny though. The I'm pretty sure I witnessed him being in the corner. Probably. How are you pretty sure you should be very certain what you saw oh my god she also said he commented a number of times that he was quote trying to get in my pants okay and she said that amber was all for it but she said i made it clear that it wasn't going to happen yeah that is absolutely disgusting she said at that time i was partying with different

drugs and all i knew was hey it's a party granted it took a lot to not throw everything back up i woke up numerous times with pazuzu over me trying to mess with me she said that night as well because she spent the night there oh my christ she said that amber was living with him for a long time and she kept telling me about this really weird but super great guy that she was with. She said he wasn't the average person that she would be with. Amber was always a very clean cut person. After about a month, a month, she quit taking showers, dreadlocked her hair, filed her teeth down, quit shaving. It was not Amber at all.

Yeah. She also said again she heard Pazuzu talk about bragging about killing two prostitutes and she said that she didn't believe him though. Yeah. She said, quote, the facial tattoos, the Satanism. I never gave it much thought. I figured he was just trying to psych everybody out. In high school, yes. If someone's 15 and they're doing that, yes. When they're an adult, if someone is filed down teeth, hasn't shaved in a year, fucking satanic and Nazi tattoos all over them, telling you that they drink blood and eat the still beating hearts of animals and they say, I killed two prostitutes, fucking believe them. Face value. And get away from them. Yeah.

If you look at that guy, you go, oh, he looks like a murderer. But if he tells you he's a murderer, then you don't believe him because he might be trying to psych you out. What are you talking about? How do you go, I don't believe you. I'm hanging out. How do you do that? Someone tells me they killed two prostitutes. I believe them, and I'm not hanging out with them anymore.

I'm going home. Period. I'm going home. The fucking party's over here. Yeah, so she said that that was that. She said that Amber never mentioned that Pazuzu talked a lot about sacrifices, but never said human sacrifices. She said, quote, he made it a point to mention all the time that once a month he has to sacrifice a small rabbit or a small animal. He would describe the animal and bathing and drinking, bathing in or drinking the blood. He would get a drug likelike high from eating the still

beating heart. I thought he was feeding me a load of crap. I thought it was a big show, one of those shock factors. He would say something along the lines of, we sacrificed it and had sex in its blood. I slept there on a number of occasions and I never worried about him slicing

my throat or anything. What? You're a fucking idiot. You're extremely lucky to have your throat intact then, you dumb shit. You're the most trusting person on the planet. Wow. They're showing you and telling you everything and you're like, nah. I'll crawl up on the couch over here.

Give it some shut eye. Imagine the amount of bugs in that place. I am so sleepy. Jesus. I'm real tired now. Oh, imagine the amount of bugs in that. I am so sleepy. Jesus. Oh, I just got it. I'm real tired now. The friend said about Amber that she was the type of girl that it didn't matter what was going on. That was bad.

It was her personal goal to put a smile on friends' faces. Wow. She said she thought that Pazuzu had brainwashed her friend. She said, I asked her, what the hell are you doing? This isn't you at all. All she could tell me was that she loved him. She told me that she'd been shooting up heroin, that he'd been shooting up heroin and cocaine and smoking crack and that she got pregnant. She said she miscarried from the stress.

I think it was the drugs, but I'm not the doctor. I ain't a doctor or nothing. I ain't a doctor or nothing, but just being in this house, the ammonia smell will knock a baby out of you. You know what I'm saying? He's shooting up heroin and meth and coke. It's so fucking hot. I got pregnant.

It's just hot. What? Ugh, gross. She said that, and got pregnant in the blood of an animal sacrifice, probably. Jesus Christ. She said Algarod would never go outside, and even if he had to go to the store, he would send Amber.

He would not leave his house. She said she never saw any guns, though. Not a single gun in the house. Did you not open the Amana? I don't think you're going for the dishwasher, probably. Are there clean cups in here? There's no clean cups anywhere. There never has been.

She said Pazuzu's mom lived at the house which was weird yeah she said though she would only see cynthia pazuzu's mom go in and out of her room real quick and like her room was a different part of the house nobody went in there she said she was really quiet like she was scared to say anything. She said she couldn't handle this. She said about Amber, though, she said her change was so crazy. She said she couldn't handle someone spanking a dog for peeing on the floor. She was into peace, love and happiness. She was a hippie. She wasn't a devil-worshipping, Satanist killing machine that everyone is saying she is. Well, at one point.

So he is at this point here, the weird part here, he's going to be declared. There's a, there's some weird shit going on here. Uh, cause now we're going to go to court and you get this guy, take a look at him.

Yeah. He's an easy guy for people to say, you know, yeah, look how fucking crazy this guy is obviously so that's a that's a problem that they have to think about here um with this whole thing by the way i love that his house is filled with feces and he's like bring your chick friends over and tell them i want to bang them and amber's like yeah cool my friends will totally want to fuck you i'm okay with it yeah now he's going to be fit but what is not fit is his house after a month investigators uh they release the house back to mom here, but they say that she can't live in the house because it's been declared unfit for human habitation.

Yeah. And the house must be repaired or condemned. Okay. The experts try to decipher the writing on the walls. Okay. Yeah, the writing's literally on the walls. It's all on the walls. It's all on the walls, in blood. They said the walls inside the majority of the rooms are plastered with everything,

both words, both English and in Arabic. In an effort to decipher what the Arabic words say, they got a Dr. Ahmad Sharif Eldin, a professor at Wake Forest University and an expert in the Arab language. So they explain the events surrounding Pazuzu to this guy. And he said that he felt he needed to stress that the Islamic religion and Satanism do not mix. Right. He's like, first of all, I want to tell you guys that, you know, Satanism and this.

He said one of the strongest beliefs in Islam is Satan is that entity you are struggling with in order to be a good person. To put Satan in Islam as something that you follow is absolutely ridiculous. That's the ridiculous part? I think a lot of shit here is ridiculous. I mean, if anybody was a religious scholar, they should have known this. Yeah, that's what I mean. He said that a lot of the words are not very clear Arabic words. Right.

He said words on the front door, though. He said, what I can understand of it, it's, quote, this is the home of Satan. They said that Arabic could be seen written in at least four different places throughout the home. He said the house of Satan. This is a completely contradictory

gesture, the guy said. He said it doesn't, then there's other ones he said that um he only writes and reads in english at an eighth grade level pazuzu by the way so but he's figuring out arabic yeah he should maybe concentrate on english more and then figure out arabic so he said a lot of the words quote don't give any meaning in arabic probably i would say he's writing some codes for magic or something like that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about either that is fucking amazing um some of the words in arabic written throughout the property translated to english words for shop or store and more uh more and

strong teacher or mentor okay they said that um yeah he said he added many of the words were not in Arabic or English. He believed many of them might have been a hybrid language, Hebrew or hieroglyphics, one of the three. Or nothing. It's gibberish and bullshit. Or nothing. Some Sumerian horseshit. Right. They pay a tattoo artist to explain his shitty tattoos.

This is Ronnie Whitesell, known as tiktok and not for the app too yeah yeah not with a k by the way he said now uh he he owns dark side tattoos on high point road he said now you look at the situation he was in and you kind of understand what he's thinking pardon is that right what the fuck are you talking about corner makes the tattoo really hop off the skin yeah what wow there's bodies in the backyard that's why this tattoo is so relevant that's really relevant he said that the face is marked up with close to a dozen tattoos he says they're all different versions of tribal markings it's a lot of markings not a real lot of decipherable shit he doesn't say like hi mom on there or anything he said that uh the tattoos on

his chin is a polynesian uh moko tattoo drawn on warriors during ceremonies or sacrifices to show tribal affiliation he said the more tattoos on the face you had, the higher up in the tribe he was. He also said the tattoo on his cheek was a version of Celtic knotwork mostly worn by Viking warriors. He said it was on all their clothes, their armor,

their swords, and their ships. And yes. So October 6, 2014 they make their first court appearance, Pazuzu and Amber. They both ask for court-appointed attorneys. And, yeah. So the Crystal Nicole Matlock is accused of helping to bury one of the men. Oh?

That's the other one there. So it comes out in court papers and it comes out publicly that the cops had been there with dogs before. So that was a fucking thing. That was a big yeah you guys are idiots here um wow jesus christ they uh they talk about how um with crystal i'm trying to figure out exactly she was accused of helping i guess the for i guess josh is the one she helped bury. Here's the craziest thing in this whole story. The neighbors are surprised that there was bodies in the backyard. This is going to be evil. Yep.

They said that there's been rumors that, you know, they were whispers of satanic rituals, maybe an animal sacrifice, some drug activities, but nothing real solid. I mean, come on. They said things have been quiet lately, and the neighbors, you know, they said that, you know, Algarod's mom here, Cynthia, has been nice to them, so they didn't understand it at all. They said one of the neighbors, this is that Keith Bryson guy, he said it was a big shock. He said, my whole family's shaken up.

They're scared. I tried to put everyone at ease. The man's got Viking tattoos on his face. What are you talking about? Another neighbor said, it's just a quiet little neighborhood. Everyone stays to themselves. She's next door to them. Directly next door.

She doesn't smell that? Right. There's no way you don't smell something or hear something. Holy shit. Yeah. She said that she had been inside the house one time many, many years ago, but

she said that Pazuzu had a quote, devil-type drawing, but she chalked it up to something a teenager would do. She classified him as a little weird, but polite. A little weird. A little weird. But polite. She she said they've always been nice to me i never suspected anything like that another neighbor lauren hurst has lived

across the street for 20 years and describes living in this neighborhood as quote awesome she's cory feldman from the burbs the fucking pizza this is awesome man rock on she said this is an exception to the rule obviously she said we were kind to them they were kind to us uh one time they helped our family put up a mailbox and uh yeah they said there was a lot of hearsay about what was going on over there but she decided a while back she wasn't going to judge people and and do that yep um she said that bryson's family even invited them to church but obviously that wasn't going to happen bryson said how did we not know there were bodies buried across the street that's all of our questions yes yeah another woman carol spears lives down the street and she said yeah i've heard about drug activity and stuff like that, but I'm very shocked to hear about a body.

Very? Very. She said, I think we expected to hear that they found animal remains more than human remains. Have you heard of escalation? Yeah. Of I want to kill something bigger now? Right. So, wow, that's amazing.

So, February 2015, foreclosure proceedings begin for the home oh no yeah well i mean she's got a she's either got a you know i don't even know how you'd rebuild that house march 2015 wells fargo plans bank says it plans to move forward with plans to foreclose on and demolish the home. April 25th, 2015, the house is demolished to the cheers and great affection of the neighborhood. Yeah, we're thrilled. They knocked the fucking house down and the work crew was there beginning all this thing. They said it took about a little more than an hour for the claw to knock down the roof and walls. Yeah, takes some time at all.

Not much, yeah. They said they heard cheers of woo-hoo and knock it down. The one neighbor said, quote, you can just see the evil floating out. Okay. Floating out. Yeah, it's like dust particles and drywall breaking apart. It's all evil spirits.

How do you expect to be taken seriously as an adult person when you go, you could just see the evil floating out? How do you not just hit her in the head with your microphone and go, shut the fuck up, you dumb bitch. I'm sorry, but you're a fucking dummy. Sit on your fucking lawn chair,

you fucking idiot. All the evil coming out. Just a floating out. No. She said it will be such a relief to be able to look out my front window and see it gone. I haven't been able to enjoy that view for many, many years. And now it'll be a field where bodies were once buried. Right.

They said the instruction is to level the lot and put in grass, seed, straw, and fertilizer. They said then it'll go back to the Federal Housing and Urban Development Division, which will determine what happens with it after that. And yeah, one neighbor also said, I have to have someone lose their home over something like this, but I'm glad it's gone. I hate to see someone lose their home

over something like this. What, two murders? What are you talking, something like this but i'm glad it's gone i hate to see someone lose their home over something like this what two murders what are you talking something like this something like she kept her fucking like her her lawn was too high or you know what i mean she kept a her porch color wasn't with the hoa or something she there's bodies there she built a pergola in the backyard the hoa didn't approve oh my god jesus christ this is the same neighbor who said you could see the evil floating out she said you can't understand the worry about your kids getting sucked into the evil going on there clearly there were youth who were attracted to the goings-on given the parties they had there yeah yeah that is uh there's the goings-on given the parties they had there.

Yeah. Goings-on. That is goings-on. There's fucking a burger. Goings-on. Keith Bryce and one neighbor said, Once in a while you could see the guy flopping around the pool, sometimes naked. Jesus. So he'd go in there for some reason, which is gross.

That's where he would probably take his bath. Yeah, yeah, if that's what I mean. He'd probably just take a dip in there. That was his bath. That's why he kept probably take his bath. Yeah, yeah, if that's what I mean. He'd probably just take a dip in there. That was his bath. That's why he kept it over-chlorinated. His skin must have felt terrible. So October 29th, 2015, here, he is facing a first-degree murder charge.

They come into his cell. He is found unresponsive with a wound to his arm at 3 a.m. at the prison where he'd been sealed on a, he'd been kept on a safekeeping order, by the way. Really? They're looking out for this. Prison officials tried to resuscitate him, but he is pronounced dead at 4.20 a.m. What? Yep.

They take a little minute to release everything about the exact, you know, what happened and everything like that. But I guess he was housed with the general population and that they would conduct bed checks every hour along with additional formal counts. They do their counts several times a day, she said. But he was in between bed checks there. He did that. What did he do it with? We'll find out here. that wow what did he do it with we'll find out here um amber's friend said i'm not the type of person to wish death on anybody you know there's a butt here coming um i think but i think he got

what he deserved either way it's not for me to judge i'm not shocked it's a full moon halloween's just around the corner i'm a true believer in karma. You get what you get. Okay. Halloween, what? I don't know what that has to do with that. That was a, that last sentence was a real grab bag. Sure was. I'm not shocked.

It's a full moon. Halloween's just around the corner. McRibs are out right now. I'm a believer in karma. The black coat grows. What the fuck are you talking about? She said, the last week or so,

Amber's been on my mind. Little things or a song would click and make me think of her. The way I always think about her, if I ever get a chance to talk to Amber, this is going to be my turning point on how I see her. If it is really Amber or if she's really crazy as well. I hope this is the case. I hope he was crazy enough to drag her in. So she says, hopefully she's good now. So autopsy comes in here.

And he died from severe blood loss from a deep wound to a major blood vessel in his left arm. And it's ruled a suicide. He's found in a pool of blood on a bed in his cell. Yeah. They say that he had an incised wound on the upper part of his left arm at the pit of his elbow. So he went right after it.

Oh, he got right in it. He was going for it. He wanted to die here. They said that he had a perforation of the left brachial artery, which is a huge blood vessel. Also had superficial wounds on his left chest, left arm, and scalp.

And also had rib fractures that came from prison officials trying to revive him, the autopsy said. They said it does not say how Algarod got the wound that ultimately killed him. And they don't say, yeah, a spokesman for the Department of Public Safety said he could not immediately answer questions by the deadline. Interesting. So according to all of this, later on, though, it's officially ruled a suicide. safety said he could not immediately answer questions by the deadline interesting so according to all of this later on though it's officially ruled a suicide yeah um trying to figure out what the hell he did it with though is the problem so they said the autopsy report was just given that and they never said what he did it with so he had something sharp that he did

and we don't know what it was i don't know i don't know what i don't know i mean if he died right there the whatever he did it with would have to still be with him i would think you'd think it's right there yeah whether if it's not a blade or if it's not i would think somebody else did it yeah if it's not there it's a murder man and i don't hear anything about that And he had a bunch of superficial wounds, too. So did somebody fucking, like, stab him up and work him over and slice his wrist and say, I mean, I don't know, if I was a guy who killed a lot of people in prison, I'd probably figure out how to make that shit look like suicide, because that happens all the time in prison. Yeah, I certainly wouldn't leave it up to, with me being a culprit,

I'd certainly leave it to him look at that yeah look at this nutcase wouldn't you kill yourself if you were up for this kind of charges i'm impressed that on one side of his face he did get that like light brown tattoo that he had that yeah it's like perfectly straight it's very yeah it's not bad somebody must have done decent job here so amber going to court she decides because now they don't even have pazuzu to blame right to have him an alive creature like that to blame would be very helpful to her but instead she pleads guilty real to second degree murder armed robbery and accessory after the fact uh the judge decides for her uh that you ma'am may fuck off a

total of 30 years and eight months all the way up to 39 years and two months in prison that's a lot yes uh so uh crystal matlock the other person here she also pleaded guilty to conspiracy to accessory after the fact and murder and was sentenced to about four years in prison. Yeah. What about Dixie's grave digging? Dixie somehow because she that's why she said I took pictures and I was trying to I was trying to help. And like I was I was just doing recon for the cops. Basically, I was scared and I didn't know what to do, even though she went back several times.

And they didn't charge her, which is insane, I think. But questions still remain here. Wetzler's former girlfriend and the mother of his son wonders whether these bodies could have been found sooner. Maybe we could have figured that out the first time they went there. So she said it's frustrating. If he was somebody they considered important, It wouldn't have gone that way. I don't think it's right for the family. So basically they just said, I don't know.

He's not here. Fuck it. He's some drug addict, homeless guy. He's, he's somewhere. Um, which is very, very interesting. Now, Cynthia here, she has, this is wild. There are, she has Pazuzu pictures all over the place in her house. There is one of him and he he's clearly a pick from jail.

Yeah. And she shows the picture to the documentary, and people said, here's my little warrior again. My little warrior. Ma, you can't say that. Ma, come on. You can't say that. Jesus Christ. My little warrior.

Un-fucking-believable. Amber, though, is still in prison. She is not going to be out for a while. 30 years. But Crystal is not. Crystal is out. Yeah. Amber's in there.

It's weird that out of all this, Amber's the one holding the bag for everything. Yeah, she's fucked. She's fucked. But she got just as into this. She's like, i can't remember now which one it was god damn it's gonna drive me nuts but she's like the the one uh chick in the manson family who chased the uh folger girl down in the fucking yard and carved her the fuck up like at that point you're you're just as involved you're just as into this as manson

he talked you into it but now you're into it. So, I mean, what the fuck? Once you're into it, you're into it. That was, oh, Jesus, I forget her name, too. I know, just because they're all mixed up in my head with this. She's so vicious looking. She was, yeah. God damn it, that was the, oh, it's on the tip of my tongue because I know all of them and I read 100 books. No, we're not looking it up. We're almost done. No, no. You all can look that shit up. oh it's on the tip of my tongue because i know all of them and i read a hundred books and now

i'm not no we're not looking it up we're almost done we gotta get no no you all can look that shit up yeah we're we're deep into this episode but check all that out and it was wasn't it i don't remember yeah i don't fucking remember so anyway there you go everybody that's pazuzu and one of the craziest people i think we've ever talked about probably. At least every other monster we've talked about at least bathed. They at least bathed and didn't pop the head off of a fucking – Oh, God, Jesus. Off of a robin because it was like a flask and then drink its blood. So there you go.

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Your stupid opinions is the funniest podcast that there is on the Internet. It's terrific. You listen to that show and tell me if the laughs per minute aren't better than any standup special you've watched recently. And I fucking, I put everything on that shit. We're not full of shit. True.

We will say, wow, we suck and we're very self deprecating. That shit is awesome. And you're fucking up if you're missing it. Honestly, check that out. Do all of that.

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one crime and sports, one small town murder. This week is no different this week, which you're going to get for, we're only going to do one this week though, because it's Christmas. So yeah, but it's good.

We apologize. Once a year we do one. It's going to, we made it a doozy it is about the garden the quote unquote alleged cult there it's a documentary on hbo or a uh series it's like seven parts and it's basically mixing back to the earth like you know real earthy hippie people with survivalist militia people and making them in one group because they all they all have in common is they think the world's gonna end and they want to be in a field

when it happens so people that were on a post that's it it's wild it's called the garden we'll talk all about that patreon.com slash crime and sports and you get a shout out at the end of the show and when does that happen right motherfucking now hit me with the names of the most wonderful goddamn people that have made our year spectacular this week's

executive producer or jens christian kraus jens what is j-e-n-s what is this is that jens is it could be could be jens could be jens christian we've come across with jens christian anderson did you know that mike keckich loves us really did you know that awesome Kekich loves us? Really? Did you know that? Awesome. Love Mike Kekich. Killer. Fucking rock on. Hello, Mike Kekich.

We love you back. Jace Vigel. Jacey, maybe? I don't know. This person knows Mike Kekich. Well, fuck. Tell him we're fans. Mike is a big fan.

That's amazing. We love him, so that's great. I love it. I love when people we like like us. That's great. We love them, so that's great. I love it. I love when people we like like us. That's great. Makes me so happy. Other executive producers are Allison Heimer, Wolfie, and Buffles. Buffles is very proud of you, Wolfie.

That's what I'm told. Also, good for you, Wolfie. Nguyen Manacown, I think, and her husband, Thepolak. Oh. Those don't sound like real words. I don't think you may. Yeah, I think you pronounced those wrong, man. I'm sure I destroyed those,

but those are people. Those are the roundabout letters and the sounds they make. Those are some people. Other producers this week are Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadows, Eva Dodson, Julie the Cockatoo,

and Andrea Darnall, Janice Hill, Rabbi Shmuelovich, Daniel Simpson Day. Daniel Simpson Day. He's still missing. I don't know what that means. Oh, wow. Who is that? Is his day like Arbor Day? I don't know.

Daniel Simpson Day? He might have two last names, like Sandra Day O'Connor. Oh, wow. For some reason, I don't know why I thought I completely misunderstood that and thought we were talking about that day. You may be right. I may be wrong. I doubt it. I think you got this one.

I think this one's, you're right. Rachel Futch Parker. Paul, is that right? Futch Parker? Are they trying to do Futch? No. All right. Paul Lauch Jr.

I'm staying away from it. Jessica Kim. B. Dallas. Craig Davies. Jackie R All right. Paul Lauk Jr. I'm staying away from it. Jessica Kim. B. Dallas. Craig Davies. Jackie Rischke. Patrick Sturm. Yep. Lindsey Shevlin.

Kayla DeCoursey. Natalie Colon. A dumb kid in Delaware. Crystal Hope. Heather Shambliss. Shambly, maybe. Melissa II. Tristan Maxwell.

Jane Henry. No, that's Jane Cherry. What? Vicki Dickerson, Miles McCann, Grant Stouter, Tess with no last name, Katie Love, Allie McLeod, Amy Jones, James Jason, Bird, Michelle Mead, August Furman, Candy Barr, that's not real, Terry Hudspeth, Solomon Bollumreid, Heidi Stilwell. I'm right behind you, Stilwell. Justine Hughes.

Logan Cain. Stilwell Angel. That's another one in the movie. Logan Cain. Trisha Potter. Travis Gobble Gobble. Kyra Richter. Lily Morgan.

Angela Hilton. Yvonne. Yvonne. Yvonne Abrantes. Yeah, that's probably exactly right. Abrantes. Abrantes. Abrantes. Abrantes. Yeah, that's probably exactly right. Abrantes. Abrantes. Very good.

Abrantes. Hey. Olivia with no last name. All right. Jassad with no last name. Scott E. Bexari. Clifton with no last name. Callie Mozart.

Helen Leprous. Lapyrus. Max Power. Megan Obergoss. Max Power. Max Power. Who is that? Homer Simpson thing. There it is. Max Power. Max Power. Who is that? Homer Simpson thing.

There it is. Max Power. All right. Gemma Grace Holdem. Boston Smith. Jillian Marzjanik. Marzjanik. Layla Washington.

Jared Rafferty. Amanda Ives. Yes. Yes. Rachel Fowler. Ruthie with no last name. Courtney McPherson. Zach Fisher. Vivian Strong. Erica with no last name, Circus Hood, Ashley Mustafa, Daniel Johnston, Kylie Jackson-Reeve, Elliot Russell, She Sells Seashells, B. Carmian, Melissa Tremont, Bex Miles, Tabby with no last name, Clarice. Clarice Enyart. Amy Villa.

Villa, maybe. Emily Kostick. Steve Kakamese. Kakamese. Peyote with no last name. Kakamese. Sabrea. Sabree Sabri. Woodbury. Loki the Chosen One. Robert Starlosky. Amanda with no last name. Jessica McCown. Chris Ballantine.

Ballantine. Cassandra Nordwald. Pete with no last name, Jessica McCown, Chris Ballantine, Cassandra Nordwald, Pete with no last name, Rachel Koenig, Dustin Ferre, Mega Wimsicott, June Wallace, Dave with no last name, Glenda Piper, Amanda Boland, Jennifer and Jessica Wilson, Kristen Elmore, Jasmine with no last name, Cal Scalabrini. Anna Jory. Cedar Awanyo. Acaba. What is that? Sator? I don't know. Joshua Hutchinson. Kendall Hanson. Jessica with no last name. Arlein Berg. Annie Moore. Michelle Stewart. Emma with no last name. Victoria Haas. Crystal Harp.

Antonio Clifton. Tim Marks. Mariah Heap. Elizabeth Blackburn. krista with no last name andrea harbin monahan kristen crystal burrow brewer uh kathy peliconio felice cora rutledge rutledge uh michelle sari sayer lexicon with no last name, Hannah with no last name, Graham Bags, Alan Fulmer, Amy Finazzo, Jonah Shepard, Nick with no last name, Brad Kingsley, Melissa's a deadhead, Dennis Brody, Emily Turner, Dance Dive, Div, Marcos Gennaro, Copperhead, Hayden Wright, Michael Bjorklund, Christopher Jennings, Cherry, Sheppa, oh boy, Sheva Pravadamarong.

Yes. That's the name of a Seth MacFarlane producer. She's a very, very important producer who I'm sure has never heard of us. There's no way that person listens to us. But I like that they tried to put the name in for you. We're going to discuss this later. Steve Trosky, Laura Rebecca, Emma Salisbury, Anne Tindaland-Instabow, Elizabeth Whittington, Janie, Janie with no last name, Gypsy Princess, Melissa Trammell-Star with no last name,

Sarah Swanson, Jan Fuss, Brock Collette, Brandon with no last name, Margaretpsy Princess, Melissa Trammell, star with no last name. Sarah Swanson, Jan Fuss, Brock Collette, Brandon with no last name. Margaret Grasheeshee, Alan Kelsey, Jenny Stringer, Liz with no last name. Catherine Tabern, Reed Erickson, Shannon Rodriguez, Ian Stark, Nancy Shock, RMG, Trina with no last name. Rose

Sharpton, Cassie Clark, Rhonda Douglas, Carrie Ryan, Kayali Kalilani. That's not right. Douglas Schooler, Brie Lewis, Wade Johnston, Aaron Hudson, Leslie Schumer, Doug Shipley, Rose Nyland is my spirit animal. Derek Stotts, Christina Hines, David Buford.

Buford? Buford. Bethany Hamilton. I like Buford. Is Bethany Hamilton the name of the girl that lost her arm? I think it is. Is it? To a shark attack?

It might be. I think maybe you're right. You might be right. Why does that just occur to me? I don't know, but I think you're right. All right. Simbri Karasina. Trey Brett Matthew Buckhop.

Melissa Kupp. Nathaniel Jones. Sidney Bubzers. Mike Sleeper. Rianne Lowen. Dylan Marr, Sarah Ann Alexis with no last name, Chris Bland, Cody Blevins. Hey, Cody, Peyton Chandler, and all of our patrons. You guys have no fucking idea how important and much this means to us. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, you magnificent bastards. We love you so much. Thanks for all you've done for us all year long. You want to follow us on social media? Very easy. Shut up and give me murder.com. Drop down menu links to all that shit.

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this, whatever, whatever you're into. Happy that to you. make it everybody thank you so much happy all your holidays christmas this whatever whatever you're into happy that to you and uh thank you so much for all you do for us and we will uh we'll definitely see you next week thank you we'll be back Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.