Small Town Murder - #452 - Boobs, Butts & Cold Blooded Murder - Centre Hall, Pennsylvania

Episode Date: December 30, 2023

This week, in Centre Hall, Pennsylvania, what seems like a random attack, inside someone's own garage, quickly turns into a twisted murder plot, with the discovery of some extremely incriminating text messages. The texts also reveal a secret double life, complete with many partners, and an ongoing & constant effort to get this murder accomplished!Along the way, we find out that you shouldn't have to be willed a campground spot, that text messages don't magically cease to exist, just because you deleted them, and you shouldn't wear very specific shoes while you carry out a killing!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay and choo-choo! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman.

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home alone that'll be fun so that said i think it's time everybody everybody, to sit back. Let's all clear the lungs, arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. What do you say, Jimmy? Let's go on a trip, shall you? Let's do it. Shall you?

Shall I? Shall all of us go on a trip here? We are going to Center Hall, Pennsylvania. That is dead center in the middle of Pennsylvania. You can't get any more dead center than Center Hall, Pennsylvania. It is right there. Bullseye. It's two hours and 45 minutes to Pittsburgh. It's about 20 minutes or an hour 20 to uh harrisburg and then two hours

and 45 minutes same distance the opposite direction to upper marion pennsylvania their upper marion township which is our last pennsylvania episode episode 405 the horny teacher's lounge that one was wild so it was crazy this town, it's a small town, 1,496. Oh. It's a lot of little small towns kind of dropped in. As you know, if you drive through central Pennsylvania, there is not a lot there. Sparse as fuck. It is a lot of big wheels of hay.

You're like, wow, it's a nice hay wheel they got there. Median household income in this town, slightly below the national average, $63,854. Median home price, also slightly below the average, $294,100. So it's there. A lot of people, I guess it's drivable to like Penn State. So a lot of people that live in this area work at Penn State and that sort of deal. Yeah. So a little bit of history.

Mid-19th century, 1800s scott irish german family settled here and um laid it out it's like a grid little central square kind of typical small pennsylvania town they um not much really goes on here they did they raised chickens here and stuff like that a lot of farming amish countries not far away oh my um big deal here is the grange encampment grounds which you're not selling it no it's i'm not telling you right now i'm not i don't suggest anybody go here for for you know any sort of just fun or recreation the grange encampment grounds sounds like a uh a camp forced like a yeah it sounds like you're forced to encamp there right you will encamp over here that sounds like a concentration

we gotta keep an eye on you people yeah it's very weird but that hosts and we'll talk about that with things to do thousands of rvs and tents and all this shit they have a big thing they've been holding the grange fair every year since 1876. So that's a long one. Reviews of this town quickly here. Five stars. My family and I lived there for eight years, and we love it. Really?

Yeah, we love it. The commute is reasonable, and it allows you to escape the hustle and bustle of state college. So that's what I mean. They're coming from there. We loved that. For the most part, it was a dry town no to little alcohol huh what do you love about that the hell do you love about that staring at the hay wheels while you're sober on the porch being told no i don't like that at all we did have some neighbors that like to drink okay okay that's helpful where'd they get Wow. Where'd you get that booze?

The schools are great and they scored high in their teaching quality. Our children had lots of friends and the people of the community were very friendly. All right. Very nice. Here's four stars. It's a nice, quiet place to live. That's also close to state college. We're very happy with the school district and the quality of the education our kids are receiving. There isn't much nightlife in town, but State College is 20 minutes away. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I bet there's bars by the college, I'm going to say. There's nothing that I love more than being told, drive 20 minutes away to go party with college kids. With college children.

Party away, 20 minutes to party with children. And you get to pay for that also and then try to get home in rural pennsylvania without hitting a deer so three stars this area of pennsylvania is very rural okay everyone knows everyone and some days that's great and some days it's not that's someone bad days no good that's someone who is when you just don't want to see anybody, it's, hey, Jimmy. Hey, Jimmy. Leave me the fuck alone. How's that? Not today, Bob. Five minutes.

The area is lovely and the people are great. And finally, one star. I live in Center Hall and the people there are selfish, greedy, and rude. Okay. Wow. Full of snobs. Oh. Who the fuck is a snob?

You're a hick. You can't be a hick and a snob at the same time. 1,400 backwoods snobs. Oh. Who the fuck is a snob? You're a hick. You can't be a hick and a snob at the same time. 1,400 backwoods snobs? Yeah, what kind of snobs are they? They take their John Deere hats off and scoff at me. What are you talking about? Full of snobs. Terrible place.

One star. All righty. Things to do here. The Grange Fair, which we talked about. Yes. An annual fair and camping event held in Center Hall in Center County each year since 1874, is what they claim here. The other one says six. The fair is typically held the last full week of August.

On the last day of the 140th fair, it was announced that the next fair would be moving a week earlier. Oh, boy. My goodness. There were certain years where there was no fair. The Spanish flu, World War II, and 2020. All good reasons. All good reasons, yeah. There was an Emmy award-winning documentary called The Grange Fair,

An American Tradition, which chronicled the fair. It's most notable for allowing fairgoers to camp on the grounds. So it's going to a county fair, but you never go home. You just stay there for a week. Or tents. They rent these tents out. And they have everything. They have animal shows and livestock and competitions and baked good judging and all that kind of shit.

I've never been to a state fair and been like, we should sleep here tonight. You know what I'd like to do? Not go home for a week from here. Let's only eat this for a week the tents are 14 by 14 feet with a single four outlet electrical box in one corner no and they don't have running water but there are public public spigots and um of course uh public bathrooms you must pay also to have all, pay all these different fees for more amenities. Pay for this torture, yeah. Ten locations are passed down through generations.

You can bequeath your camping spot. They're like Packers season tickets. After the space for tents reached maximum capacity, a wait list started. That wait list was canceled after three decades when it exceeded 500 families some of which waited 27 years oh my god someday we're gonna get to camp the kids are like 30 they got kids of their own like i don't want to go to the state fair and

camp anymore we're getting a tent and you're getting your barney sleeping bag that you had in 1991 and god damn it you're gonna go down there we're gonna fucking camp i sat by grandma's deathbed waiting for her to sign this over to me holy shit that is wild fairgoers can no longer apply for a tent it's just they're they're just bequeathed you can't yeah they're just handed down you gotta know you gotta know a tenter to get a tent that's how it works now. This is hardcore, brother. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. It's so bad.

This is to sleep at the fair, mind you. Yeah, this is sleep by the Tilt-A-Whirl. Wow. And the only way you can lose your tent spot is for rules violations. Oh. Yeah. Or for passing up their location for two fairs if you leave your fair if you leave it open for two years you're out that's it okay so there we go a single person

or couple may not rent both a tent and a camper spot you have to one or one or the other all right this that sounds like a nightmare this place sounds like a nightmare. That said, let's talk about a murder. Okay. Okay. Was it over a camping spot? The fair has something to do with it. Of course it does. Of course it is. Holy shit.

People who live in a bunkhouse have something to do with this by the fair. So carnies. My God. More carnies. All right. Here we go. I got to give a little bit of credit here to someone who had information no one else had because they were involved in it. They wrote an article for Medium.com.

Her name was Joy Ellen Sauter, and she knew a participant here and gave some good inside info. So let's talk about a man, shall we? Okay. Samuel Sherman Boob. B-O-O-b boob yep not b-u-b-e in the east side nope it's b-o-o-b oh my god your big boob okay yeah so sam sammy everybody calls him sammy boob right and a lot of his friends call him booby that's his nickname obviously yeah if you had a friend his last name was boob and you didn't comment on that really what kind of a person are you oh we'd get to

titty yeah eventually we'd be calling him titty there'd be something else though you'd be calling him s cup i feel like after a while all sorts of different shit so um one of his friends talks about old sammy boob here and they said they met in the third grade. And they were at Bible study together, riding the Bible study bus. And he said Sam would ride his four-wheeler home from the bus. And everybody called him Booby. And he said, there has been nothing I have done or nothing that I will do in life that doesn't have his name all over it, this guy says. He said he just, he thought he was a great guy.

He said he taught me everything I know, just a great kid all around when they grew up. He's head boobie all over. Head boobie over here. And everybody said he can fix anything. This guy is just. Boobie can? Boobie can fix it. If you have it, he can can fix it it's one of those

things he fixed up old cars motorcycles tractors he'd restore them to really perfect condition sell them give them to people because you get them for free a lot of times you just get i got friends that are like that that can just i mean your brother's like that yeah he can take something and just make it brand new yeah yeah you yeah. It's amazing. Mechanical shit. My father's like that. It's really amazing. Yeah, that's where he gets that from. I didn't get that gene. It skipped me. I can rebuild a motor or put something together, but I can't like the body itself, making that part look brand new.

I'm incapable. Your brother does it impeccably. I can't believe it. My father was a body man back in the day. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Your brother's good with fiberglass. I can't do that. Yeah, my a body man back in the day. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. Your brother's good with fiberglass.

I can't do that. Yeah, my dad did all that shit. It's incredible. One time there's a story of him working on someone's car in the garage, doing a job on the side. And I was about two years old, and my dad's working on something. He said he had it almost all ready to paint, and he was, like, taking it off. Oh, no. What'd you do?

Boom, boom, boom. He said, what the fuck is that? He gets up. I'm over there with a hammer bashing in the other side of the fender just bashing it in with a fucking hammer so he had to redo everything god damn it i thought i was helping i was like this is good right this is what people do i heard him doing that so i figured that's what you do you smash it with a fucking hammer so uh sam boob here old boobsy is also a great cook everybody said he cooks for like

everybody likes to cook people stuff he's just he's just good at that sort of things at work he'd cook for the co-workers when they'd have their staff meetings he'd cook for the family at home he cooks for his friends when they have big like camp outs and meetups and all that kind of thing um his friend said anytime you have a problem, Sam would be there within minutes, rain or shine, to fix your problem. Not only to fix your problem, with a smile on his face he'd do it. Really?

Not even put upon to do it. Just, sure. His friend said, anyone in Penn's Valley can come up with a story that at one point or another, Sam has lent a hand, dropped everything he was doing for somebody else. That kind of personified who he is. Valley can come up with a story that at one point or another, Sam has lent a hand, dropped everything he was doing for somebody else. That kind of personified who he is. He'd give the shirt off his back to anybody.

That's Sam. The boobs. The boobs. He'd give the shirt. The boobs would give the shirt. Give the shirt off your back and then they'd go, yeah, the rack on boobsy. The boobs is here. Oh, man.

You got to really watch your weight when your name is boob too you gotta really be trimming you can't have nope you gotta be slim and trim um when he's 12 years old he took an old nova an old chevy nova and worked on it the whole time till he was 16 worked on it for four years and and had a perfectly restored Chevy Nova. It's un-fucking-believable. It's cool as fuck, yeah. A friend of his named Ben Cort, who also grew up with him there, said that he knows Sam because he married Sam's sister. So that's a good way to know him.

He said he built a bunch of those. He built up a Corvette that he had. He built up a Harley and rode that. So he just builds shit and rides it. He said over the last couple years he really spent a lot of time restoring tractors. He was working toward

having one for each of his kids and he had three done. He's got four kids. So cool. So he's got three done by 2009. He said he was truly a kid at heart. He loved his toys

but he would drop all of those things to be able to help a friend. Boob sounds like a great guy here um he's a maintenance supervisor in the center county solid waste authority that's his job poor guy he oversees poop boob oversees the poop boobs and boobs is in control of the poop he's in control of the poop and there is there's more names that are out of this world in this fucking show, by the way. He has four children, ages six months to ten years by 2009.

Okay. From six to ten. Six months old, yeah, to ten years old. Oh, yeah, from brand new to ten years old. Yeah, still smelling good to ten years old. Yeah. Wow. That's something.

One of his friends, a different friend, said his pervasive kindness was really overwhelming. When my father died, he made sure to speak to my mother, give her his number, and tell her that he would do anything she needed him for. Can I restore your car? Yeah, I'll restore your car, fix and get some plumbing problems. I'll work on it. I'll do it all. Roofing, I'll get up there. It didn't matter how well he knew you.

Everybody said that. They're just like, he's just the best guy. He's just a great guy. His friend said one time they spent three days at a cabin while Sam cooked for everybody while everyone else went and did shit outside and had fun. Wow. He cooked for everybody. And his friend said he loved to cook.

He's a heck of a cook. We'd all have fun and be enjoying ourselves and he'd be doing what he could do to get dinner ready on time. Unbelievable. So yeah, when he's young, when he's about 20, he marries a woman here. He marries a young lady named Marinda Boob.

Well, her name will be Marinda Boob. Marinda, which you gotta be a real cool guy to get a chick to marry you and be Mrs. Boob. You bet. And to take your name and everything. I mean, she could have kept the maiden name. She was like, Nope,

I'm a boob through and through. She's born May 4th, 1982. He was born in 1980. So pretty much right after high school, she married Sam. So they got together real early. Um,

they had a kid pretty much right away. Boom. I mean, immediate kid. She has wealthy parents. Oh, yeah. Boob married money. Yeah.

Yeah. He she is. This is described. This is the woman, the joy lady who wrote that thing that we gave her credit for. She writes about Miranda that she is. Miranda was short and slightly too thin with long brown hair and brown eyes. Her hair was wavy. She used a lot of gel to hold it in place.

The gel made it look like it was almost wet all the time. OK, she was tan all year round. of central Pennsylvania poured down snow in sub-freezing temperatures. She always looked like she just came from the beach, as if the beach life were within her grasp 250 miles from an actual beach. A tan woman during the winter with slightly wet hair and hot as shit is what she's describing. She's describing kind of a little firecracker here.

Beautiful woman, yeah. Yeah, but this Joy doesn't really seem to like her very much here. Oh? So anyway're gonna have four kids though um emily chloe landon and hunter they're gonna have here four different kids so two boys two girls the sprouting tree daycare is where mirinda quote unquote works her dad her dad owns it is what it is okay and she's there because her kids are there. Yeah, well, that's part of it. And also, she can get paid for... Well, we'll let Joy explain it here.

Okay. Joy Ellen. I met Miranda on my third day working at Sprouting Tree Daycare, located in the basement of a church. I was hired to be a caregiver in the older infant room. Yeah, you know, 65, but they're really immature, those people. Older infants. Older infants. Older infants, yeah. Low-paying but noble job.

I was young and single. Miranda was slightly younger than me, but she already had two young children and one stepdaughter. Sam's, Sam will slip one in there. Her mother owned the daycare. Miranda was adopted as an infant by her parents. Miranda's adopted. Really? Yeah.

Her father owned a large and successful funeral home in center hall pennsylvania there's money in that real good money in being a small town's main funeral home that is sure that works there's these these they never go out of business those fucking things ever every day they make more money they pass them down like a tent at the at the campsite over there. Center Hall was a rural town with only one traffic light sandwiched between the Pennsylvania State University and a sparsely populated Amish community. To say Miranda worked at the daycare was perhaps overzealous of me. As the boss's daughter, Miranda was not a teacher at the school assigned to a caregiver room.

She was paid an hourly rate twice as much as my hourly rate at an assumption of a full-time employee. She was not a teacher or the director or the assistant director of the daycare. Her role there was never clearly defined. I started my day at 7 in the morning. Miranda arrived later in the morning at her own discretion yeah she's got a wise guy job wow this is yeah this is like a we got you a no show just tell your parole officer don't worry about it

they'll sign your papers tell them you work at the daycare she went from classroom to classroom making small talk and gossiping with the employees she liked fuck yes what a great job she has she goes to her mother for a raise um she left her kids in the care of other employees at the daycare for tanning appointments going out to lunch getting

a manicure and pedicure or shopping oh geez what a life show up whenever take off whenever leave the kids behind free daycare full-time pay and she's married to boob who's an amazing guy what do you what a life what do you think this tan just gets itself going on my skin in the middle of winter in pennsylvania no she's the duchess of center hall wow these moments were random arrivals and departures unannounced and often sudden one of her children was a mobile infant it took me a minute to figure that out i was was like, a mobile infant? Then I'm like, oh, I guess one that can crawl around, probably. Walks around and shit. Yeah, mobile. I'm like, a mobile

infant. For a minute I was like, is that some, like, a disability I don't know about? Like, a problem? And her disregard for the routine of my classroom was highly disruptive. She made no attempt to give me a schedule or ask me what time was better for

dropping her son into my lap when my lap was filled with five other children her son did not adhere to a schedule but neither did mirinda oh okay she said mirinda never had an actual job or had to learn to cooperate with other people to consider my feelings was beyond her abilities she was stuck in adolescence with a self-serving selfishness, wow, self-serving selfishness, that everyone around her enabled. It left her trapped in an unexpected life of complete unhappiness. I'm very sorry that you were not adopted by the boss. Wow. Yeah, and you have to work for a living.

That really sucks. Yeah, this is just one of those people where you go, man, it'd be good to be those people. I wish I was her. In a small town, there's a few families that are like that, and that's it. And you know those people, and you go, oh, that asshole. Look at them. There they go. Making a lot of money.

Miranda and Sam, their marriage starts to have a lot of problems because of her compulsive shopping. She's a big shopper. She's spoiled. Yeah, so she would build up huge amounts of debt oh god and then she would you know try to go to her parents to bail or get bailed out or whatever and yeah um then she also started telling people close to her that sam was abusive as well oh yeah but nobody believed it because they just didn't because a number one they didn't see anything but everything i've ever heard of him is he's amazing.

That's the thing. Well, we'll let joy describe it here. Joy says, I always want to believe women, but I never saw bruises on Miranda and she never went to the police, which I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

If you know what, whatever. Um, she said, my job ended at sprouting tree daycare in the same high point of drama made for television the daycare was forced by the church to close permanently listen to this the church's new pastor expanded his counseling service by offering assistance to convicted sex offenders at the church uh we can't have kids here yep the mission didn't mesh with the daycare

by law they can't exist together in the same building you can't have oh here. Yep. The mission didn't mesh with the daycare. By law, they can't exist together in the same building. You can't have, oh, you know, the kids are downstairs and the fucking molesters are upstairs. It's fine. We keep them separated by stairs. It's no big deal. Well, the pastor's side hustle is causing grief. Oh, my God. Over the years, Miranda and Samuel's marriage started to crumble, and it was stated she asked for a divorce

but Samuel who came from a religious family didn't see that as an option but they said everybody knew that Miranda wanted her out of her marriage and was trying to figure it out. So in 2009 in August she meets a guy named Ronald Heichel

H-E-I-C-H-E-L Heichel He's two years older than her, same age as Sam, about 29 at this point. He's also a father. He was a high school football player in the area, and now he's a Kearney. So he's a good example of a small-town high school football player. Yeah, he's like, man, remember those days on the field? Like, when he hears a Bob Seger song, it hits him right in the fucking chest. Oh, God, the chills.

It's just like an arrow when Night Moves comes on. He's like, oh, Jesus. The hairs on his arms. Oh, God. The goosebumps are crazy. I haven't seen anything sitting way up high in years. Jesus Christ. So, this guy, in 2001, he was involved in a car accident and which

he suffered brain and back injuries in this car accident so a pretty good one uh he's got a buddy who he lives with actually in the bunkhouse they worked together at gambrick's amusement in center hall and they lived in the company bunkhouse. Yikes. A bunkhouse full of carnies. I'd rather be in fucking county jail. Yeah. Wouldn't you? Yeah, there's bugs and spiders in that bunkhouse. I'd rather be in an open dorm in a county jail with 30 fucking beds of a bunch of criminals

than be in there. Somebody's been bit by something poisonous in their cell. Oh, God. Well, at least in jail you know what everybody's there for. Right. I don't know what the hell made you a carny, but it's something much darker something poisonous in their soul. Oh, God. Well, at least in jail you know what everybody's there for. Right. I don't know what the hell made you a carny, but it's something much darker than whatever got this guy. This guy has a DUI. I'm not scared of him.

I'm scared of this fucking carny guy. Who you ask him. Where he's running from. You ask him where he's from and he goes, lots of places. I'm scared of that guy. Yeah. Where are you from? And he goes, what have you heard?

Yeah, yeah. Got any brothers or sisters? Not anymore. Like shit like that guy. Yeah. Where are you from? And he goes, what have you heard? Yeah, yeah. Got any brothers or sisters? Not anymore. Like, shit like that. Used to. Used to. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife.

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His name, Jimmy, let's add add we have sam and marinda boob this man's name is kermit butts b-u-t-t-s kermit butts it's not even a joke it's not a joke boobs and butts all around baby this episode is hot hot hot hot for the holidays coming in here um a lot of tna in here oh man i'll tell you what between the two of them imagine yeah she should definitely marry him and be miranda boob butt that would be awesome that would be the coolest fucking name that'd be so cool so butts is allowed to drive the company vehicle, the car, the company carny vehicle. He's the trustworthy one. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. He said that he and Heichel were coming back from a job late one night in early August 2009 when they saw Miranda Boob over there. They pulled in the Snappies convenience store and they saw Miranda walking out. And, you know, when you're in Snappies and you see a hot chick you gotta talk to her they're they're picking up hot cheetos yeah uh but says this is i don't know man you know what actually i need i should get some protein let me get some of them pork rinds i'm gonna get i need the chili lime. Yeah. The chili lime. That way I get some, some vegetables in there too. And some fruits, you know, to ward off the scurvy that happens. So, uh, but said that he and Heichel had a, had an active and ongoing contest going to

see who could get the most women's phone numbers. Okay. They're carnies. So far, it's been going on for seven years, and Heichel's leading 1-0, I believe. It's a real soccer score around here. Yeah, it's real. They're going into OT. They're waiting for injury time to play out. It's a real Manchester United.

Oh, man. Man U versus Arsenal arsenal this is disturbing one nothing one nothing one nil that's what the score is at this point 15 love holy shit heichel sees mirinda and he's like i'm gonna go get her number i'm gonna tie this shit up it took him five minutes but he got the number out of her really yeah married woman bunch of kids got the number she do that she because she likes to have affairs as we'll talk about here oh really oh yeah in the following weeks butt said that he several times had to drive heichel to meet miranda boob at penn's cave in uh at the at a penn's cave sign on state route 45

and then the two would go somewhere to have sex wow he'd drop her off for like a boob rendezvous here at a road sign yeah on the highway on route 45 they pull over there she is and then he go hop in her car they go bang and i assume she takes him back to the carnival after that i'm not sure look for the filthiest sign the one that mentions a cave you know that one yeah and pens if you put an eye in there it'd be penis cave too which is perfect penis cave butts boobs it's got it all i'll bet you i'll bet you i'll bet you penis cave had something to do with it something guarantee it right yeah meet me there it's like a cave with a penis so august 18th 2009 august 18 2009 um

heichel comes up to butts here yeah and he says listen um would you do me a favor he's yeah sure i mean we live in the same bunkhouse together and nothing's off limits really um sure by the same spider yeah he said well would you help me if i needed you to one of these days if i needed to say dispose of a body would you maybe help me with that i don't have one right now but i might have i might be having one i need to get rid of in a couple of days. Seeing as how we've been bit by the same spider, we're basically blood brothers. We're basically blood brothers, yeah. Matter of fact, hold on.

Open up your finger. Let's go. I'm going to let him loose. So he says, I need you to help me bury a body? To dispose of in whatever way. He's like, could you help me get rid of it? And Butts said, who? What are you talking about? And he goes, well, Samuel Boob. I, could you help me get rid of it? And Butts said, who? What are you talking about?

And he goes, well, Samuel Boob. I'm going to have to get rid of his body. And Butts said, no, I don't want to do that. He goes, I'm a carny, but I'm not that big of a scumbag. You can tell we're not close enough friends by the way I said, what? Who? Yeah, huh? You crazy? Better friends would have been like, sure, we'll talk about it later.

crazy so then our friends would have been like sure we'll talk about it later especially because heichel offered him five thousand dollars in the eventual insurance money for help because you don't have to kill anybody or do anything you just have to help me dispose of the body five grand and he said i'm not fucking doing that because butts is sane then we're not close enough friends his man the sanest man in the story so far is a man named Kermit Butts. That's what's going on here. So August 23, 2009, Heichel asked Butts for a ride to the Penn's Cave sign. And along the way, he said, they're talking, and Heichel said to Butts that he's going to confront Samuel Boob about his abuse of Marinda Boob because Marinda has told Heichel that Sam abuses him. Yeah. So Butts said at that point, it went on and on, this conversation, and eventually Heichel admitted that, I'm going to kill him, actually.

I'm not going to confront him. I'm going to kill him. Wow. So Butts said as soon as the words came out of his mouth, he said he pulled the car over and told Heichel he didn't want anything to do with this. I don't want anything to do with killing anybody. This is crazy. He says Heichel attacked him at that point, choked him, and threatened to kill him or have him killed. Oh, my God.

Which is a problem because if you're talking to a guy who's saying, I'm going to go murder somebody, and then he says, I'll kill you, you tend to believe him at that point. Yeah, and start to question why you work for the fair. Yeah. So Butts said at that point he feared for his life so he drove Herschel or Heichel to the sign where Heichel told him to wait. Wait here.

And then he left carrying a backpack. Butts said at this point he went into the woods and got high. He just left his car on the side of the road. I need to get high. This is crazy. He left his car on the side of the road and wandered into the woods to get high at this point, which is insane.

And then Heichel came back about 45 minutes later, and he was perfectly nice to him now. Thanked him for waiting. Thanks for waiting thanks for waiting for me really appreciate it and then they drove back to the bunkhouse together and but said he didn't ask anything about it he just like yep no problem i'm good and stoned i passed the time so what ended up happening is really hard to figure out until you have all the text messages from this day when you have a full line of text messages, things really come together here.

This is an August 23rd text message thread between Heichel and Marinda Boob. In this, they talk about, okay, she uses a euphemism here, are you sure you want the pond done? Like making a pond in their yard. And she said, I would love to have a pond done. Oh.

Okay. Now she tells the police later on, she'll say that she turned her phone off after responding to only one text message from Heichel. That's what she told cops. He texted her the pond thing and she said, yeah, and then turned her phone off. But what she doesn't know in 2009 is that Verizon keeps text messages for longer, even after you delete them. So they only have texts going back to August 15th, but they have the full strain from this day,

and this is between 8.33 and 9.49 a.m. And also they speak on the phone at 9 40 here are the texts here it is okay 8 33 a.m i'll just give you the first time that i'm not going to do times this is heichel he said you're looking lovely this morning mirinda says thanks with an x mirinda is a really annoying texter i could not be friends with her just because of her texting heichel then says going to church and is he going and mirinda says yes yeah yeah all of her yes or yes but i'm gonna say yeah why yeah i'm not gonna say that because i i'll want to punch myself in the fucking nose if i do repeatedly say that she said yeah soon making breakfast um no g no g making breakfast he says will he come in for breakfast number four there's still this is 2009 so people are still

texting like they have the t9 yeah that's what it is still doing it yep uh heichel then says and you and uh you're sure you want the pond done and And she said, I would love to have the pond done. Then a minute later, she texts him and says, he's making the breakfast. He's making it. He's making it. And he says, who's in the garage then? Then he goes on a minute later to say, did you see me out here when you came out? Then he says, let me know when he's in the house.

She says, she says, K. Oh, God. Then she says, he is. Then she says, yeah, I saw you. He's in the garage, D. And that's, yeah, I saw you, letter U. He's in the garage. That's the thing about this casual ass texting.

It sounds way worse when you do that callous is fucking this holy fuck you would think people would have like a lot of like we're gonna do this and then we know it's crazy and they're just like yeah he's in the he's in the garage like he's making the breakfast yep he's making the breakfast he said well you will have your pond you are by the way your pond very soon he says and then he says will he lock the door when he comes in and she says prolly da garage oh god she does that oh yeah he said how can I get a key? Then she says, thanks, with an X. Then she says at 9.15 a.m., for after church, question mark. And he said, or before, which do you want? And she said, before, so you can go.

Then he says, this is Heichel, I'm thinking before. This is a letter B and the number four. They're both doing. I'm thinking before, and you go to church for witnesses so you know go to church so people see you there dude you are writing this this is wild that you didn't think this was going to be good lord exhibit a holy shit then he says i need your key though and she says i will call my dad and talk to him as again to have a witnesses yeah then he says i'll need the key and please keep your kids inside you know don't have to shoot any of them as they wander out don't let them see this she says they're

sleeping and she then 9 23 a.m heichel when will he be in then she texts back unlocked he texts is he in the house tell me when he is cooking she says eat yes eaten cereal oh boy then he says can he see the garage this is with not even c's he can't even write out S-E-E. The letter C. She then texts back, make it quick and no C. I guess he can't C. He then says, good to go. She says, where you need. He then says, no kids. Okay.

Then Heichel says, I'm in the garage. And Miranda says, you will have to make noise then. Make noise in the garage so he'll go see what the hell's out there um heichel said should it be locked and he said yeah you can or she said yeah you can so you lock it so whatever then at 10 0 7 that's 9 49 is the last text message then at 10 0 7 a.m she calls 9-1-1 oh and says God, I, you know, oh, no, I found my husband in the garage. I heard a loud boom and I found him.

I think it was a gunshot and all this. And Samuel Boob is dead on the floor. Sammy Boob is dead on the floor in the garage. Oh, no. And they found out the first shot from a shotgun, by the way. First shot. The first shot was fired inside the garage from a distance of just a few feet. Boob was standing just inside the door. And when he was hit by the blast, he stumbled and fell outside the open door. The medical examiner said he was trying to avoid being struck. He was crouching down and turning when I believe that first non-fatal gunshot wound was delivered. He acted it out and said basically that he's in a fetal position on the floor almost. And he said this guy basically, the second shot, the guy walked up and put it almost touching him to his back and shot him with a shotgun.

Oh, God damn it. He's shot once in the chest and then once in the back after falling to the ground. So he's like half on the ground and he comes up in almost a contact wound. They said both of his hands had sustained gunshot injuries also. Oh, what the hell, man. He saw it. What the fuck has happened? Yeah. He said, what the fuck's going on?

The guy was standing there with a shotgun. So Miranda Boob tells police that she and her husband woke up together around 8. He was working in the garage on a tractor motor before cooking the kids breakfast and taking a shower. And she said, I don't know why he went back out to the garage. I don't get it. Yeah. Weird, right? Don't look at my phone.

Yeah, no. Those were all deleted. Can't see nothing. I got to go home. Oh, yeah. my phone yeah no i those were all deleted can't see nothing i gotta go home oh yeah so neighbors family members friends all say mirinda boob seemed to be acting odd in the next couple hours after the death here even state trooper lee barrow said the same thing barrows said it seemed like when someone would come up to her she would put on a show she seemed pretty calm for just losing her husband yeah um also the her her

brother-in-law i guess it would be the guy who married um sam's sister yep he thought that she was acting weird too he said that you know especially since they were having financial troubles and all that he was suspicious from the start and he said i know that there were several sources my biggest the biggest source in my opinion was miranda's spending habits they were excessive and she was acting weird um also she told police contradicting stories during these first few hours um one of them was that she met heichel about six weeks ago and asked him to install a pond at her property that's how they know each other police Police said she also told Heichel her husband would slap her around

and told police that Heichel decided to confront and rough up Sam Boob. She don't know. It must have gone out of control. The pond guy is going to protect me. Wow. So with the text, she told police that she turned her phone off after responding to only one message from Heichel.

However, Verizon has the whole thing as we talked about and we know what that says so police say that then they found on august 15th which is as far back as the texts go that they can get from verizon they found another person here this is not heikel this is somebody else she had a conversation with. The person said, the antiques show starts on September 10th to the 13th. I got a thing in the mail today. And Miranda says, okay, hopefully he will be six feet under.

And the other person says, yeah. Then Miranda says, yeah, I'm going to do it when he gets home. And the other says, do what? And Miranda says, take him out. And this person says, how? mirinda says take him out oh my god and this person says how and she says his gun and the other person says does he have the bullets in it and mirinda said don't know i doubt if nobody else will i will okay oh i doubt it if no one else will i will so

she'll load it yeah the other said make sure you get the right ones or it won't work yeah put the right bullets in the gun you make sure to use good bullets make sure to use the right ones yeah because if you put shotgun shells in your 38 handgun it's not gonna probably not gonna work i don't know if you'll get those those shotgun shells in there that's a tight hole that's a yeah it's gonna be tough probably not gonna not fit. Berinda said, I can't do this anymore. And the other person said, I know you can't. So the police end up finding the gun used to kill Sam in the woods not too far from the house. Just like a house down thrown into the woods. And it is Sam's own shotgun.

Unbelievable. So someone would have had to give that to him. Right. Because he wasn't in the house, Heichel. Right. Heichel didn't own a gun jesus he didn't know he wanted she wanted to do it with his own gun she had like a real hard-on to do it with his own gun for some reason police say they suspected someone moved boobs truck sam's truck to a spot on the lawn placing it so that it shielded the view of the body from the street as well oh and also they found bloody footprints at the scene which they're able to match to mirinda's shoes unbelievable which isn't good

and we'll talk about it because it's a very specific design on the soul and that's the problem it says america on the soul so her patriotism is going to put her in for murder at this point what are these fucking walmart? She should have just got some smooth flats and she wouldn't be in this situation. So much for kids. Man. And then they looked at his insurance policies, Sam's, and his retirement accounts,

and they said Boob had the basic life insurance policy covering his annual salary, about $37,000, as well as a $50,000 supplemental plan. He also had a $50,000 supplemental policy for Marinda. And Sam had two retirement accounts, one with $18,000 and one with just over $7,000. So there was some money to be made here. A hundred grand? A hundred grand, yeah.

That's crazy. For a dead person? What the fuck, man? That is not a lot. In 2009. This isn't like it's 1972 and that's really something. Well, that could buy you about a third of Florida. That's true, yeah.

A third of Arizona, too. Half of Phoenix for that money. Yeah. So witnesses as well. There's a couple guys that come forward named Tom Holloway and Michael McDaniel. And they worked for companies at the county Grange encampment, the things to do there. And they knew Heichel and Butts also. They worked there.

And so they said that they lived in a bunkhouse next to the grounds. And on the morning of the shooting, they were having coffee and cigarettes outside when they saw Heichel and Butts walk by. And McDaniel said that the two got in the truck and were gone for 45 minutes to an hour before they came back. And he said a little while after that, he saw police cruisers and emergency vehicles driving by, like right after they got back. So that's not good. They also, another guy said that he worked with heichel uh during the 2009 season and had a conversation with him at the clinton county fair and he said i don't know how we got on the conversation but somehow or another i said i couldn't do anything to anybody heichel said

yeah i could see me doing it talking about killing people which that's what johnny ringo that's what carnies talk about by the way yeah while your kids are twirling and whirling and tilting. What would you do? I've already done it. Already done it? Not do it any time. So Tice, this is the guy here, Tice the Witness said, when asked what the conversation referred to, Tice said it had to do with relationships and kicking somebody off.

And they said, well, what did that mean? And he said, where I come from, killing somebody. Kicking someone off. Kicking someone off. Kicking them off. That's weird. So they go ahead and arrest Heichel. He also had a bench warrant for bad checks that he wrote because he's a carny. So they could just pick him up for that and then figure it out from there.

Surprise. His finances aren't in order. Weird, right? Weird that a carny who lives in a bunkhouse would not be able to keep his fucking banking straight. So, yeah, he was arrested at the fair where he was working. They pulled him right out of a booth, which is hilarious. Somebody else will take the tickets from now on. Yeah, he's like, is this for robbing people for crooked games?

They're like, nope, this is for murder. Sorry. So, Heichel's attorney here said that Heichel is shocked that mirinda boob would blame him for the shooting because now mirinda's like yeah it must have been him yeah police never questioned him they said he said they never even questioned me they just took him into custody and charged him with murder that's like they had a bunch of evidence or something it seems like they got locked up yeah they said he's scared and terrified and he wants to know how he's been made a suspect in this case he just kept saying over and over how am i charged

with this it sounds like he was unaware why she would point the finger at him and uh get me so quick and then police police told the newspaper we did it with the text messages very easily he put himself at the place at the time saying what he was doing. He said, did you see me out here? I'm in the garage. Did you see me? See me? I got the gun.

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The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar.

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that's the facts of the case butts arrested in boob murder case uh he's an established boobs are better than boobs better than butts butts and better than boobs in this case he uh butts beats boobs butts beats boobs butts beats boobs in court jury decides butts over boobs he's charged with aggravated assault and assisting a murder suspect and he's placed in jail um because they believe he did the driving because he told them he did so that helps here's the reactions by the way here's joy from work who hated mirinda i always knew this is murder she was probably the happiest person in town joy that fucking bitch finally got what's coming to her that rich little bitch when she was arrested i was actually not at all surprised if there was ever a person

or character of a person that would have tried to have her husband killed it was mirinda the fucking gloating yep gloating then a few days after her death here after the sam's death mirinda talks to her brother-in-law ben court who is also sam's very good friend and sam she tells sam quote i'm glad i got to hear his words i'm very glad that i got to hear him tell me that he loved me before he died what that's what she said yes but i saw him and he was dying and he told me he loved me and it was this beautiful scene. But the pathologist who did the autopsy said that there's no way he would have said anything to his wife or even gestured because he was dead as fuck. His lungs were fucking blown out his chest. He said he would have died within seconds of the final shot unless she was, you know, which were fired at point blank range. He said, I cannot say definitively that the gun was touching him,

but it was very close. Oh, dear Christ. This Ben Court recorded about five hours of conversation with Marinda, which helped lead to her arrest as well. An hour and 15 minutes of that tape is going to be played in court. Oh, sweet Jesus. Yep, that is wild. He told her police needed to go over all the evidence so they could find the real killer and stop investigating her, Oh, sweet Jesus. told court about how she'd suffered from depression before and he asked her what that felt like and

she said it was just like a cloud like i have right now i'm not depressed i'm more scared stressed like what's going to happen to me um it's not depression that's fucking that's selfishness that's just that's just looking out for yourself that's kind of like a cloud that's somebody making it up it's a cloud of like being worried that i'm going to get in trouble for shit that I did. You know what I mean? I'm going to be held responsible for my actions. It's weird. I worry about me a lot.

Yeah. I'm depressed. I'm worried. I'm worried about how to keep this tan up. That's my problem. Oh, Jesus. She's had the easiest life. Yep.

And once they show her the text messages, they're like, so we're going to go ahead and put the cuffs on you, stupid. Yeah. And she's held on $2 million bail, by the way. Oh, that'll depress you. That'll put you right in a cloud. She's arrested, by the way, hours before the memorial service, which is interesting. She's dressed and everything. Oh, yeah.

So, Heichel as well, Ronald Lee Heichel, is going to be accused in this, as we found out. He's charged with first-degree murder. Boob's attorney said he was shocked by the bail amount, which was twice as much as even what the prosecutors asked for. The judge was like, no, no, no, we'll make sure. No, I don't want this person out. Oh, my God. And Heichel, through his attorney, said he's shocked that Boob would blame him for the shooting. I don't know what she's talking about.

Then a guy comes forward named Wesley Decker. That's always a Wes. Yeah. They find him because they find him through Marinda's phone records because he's been having an affair for two months with Marinda as well. At the same time, this was all going on. Oh, shit. Yep. having an affair for two months with mirinda as well at the same time this was all going on yep and he didn't know any of this was happening until she got arrested and then she he was like oh shit she did it um which is wild mirinda had been trying to get west to kill sammy what the fuck he said that this is west decker he said mirinda boob sent him a text message

saying she wanted her husband six feet under. And he said that he, uh, that Miranda had asked him to rough up Sam. And Wes said that, uh, cause she said that he beat her up. Wes said, quote, I can't do that. I know Sam. I'm not beating him up. He's a nice guy. There's only 1400 people here.

I know everybody. I know all these people. He said, she talked about how her husband should be killed. And, um, yeah, he did say that his story changed a couple times though when he talked to police but he said that he was scared he said uh then uh somebody else said obviously he has somebody some involvement with her but that doesn't mean he's involved in a murder he decker denies having any contact with mirinda boob on sunday 8 23 on the day of the murder and a forensic analysis of his cell phone also said that he had no communication with her around that day so not his problem he she also including asking two boyfriends she also asked eddie the pizza guy to kill her husband no last name he's just the actual pizza pizza guy he's an actual P he showed up. He's like, I got a cheese and a sausage.

And she's like, Oh, okay. How much is that? 26, 24. Okay. You know what?

Keep there's 30. Keep the rest for yourself. You know, do you kill husbands also? I know you make five grand. Yeah. What do you think? How about five grand as a tip?

And, uh, now here's another guy, John Merack Jr. He is serving us. He was serving a three to six year sentence in prison for parole violation for failing to appear in court. And also he's a shoplifter and all this type of thing. Yeah, I can't imagine not appearing would get you that much unless it was worse.

He's been previously convicted of retail theft and other charges. He met Heichel in jail, their cellmates. theft and other charges yeah he met heikel in jail their cellmates and he said that one day heikel told him that pond meant a hit when talking about that the the text which it's kind of obvious um he also said that heikel told him a person not he never used mirinda's name wanted heikel to install a pond he said quote i quote, I said, wait a second. Why would this person want you to build a pond when their significant other is mechanically inclined? Right. Sam can build a he can build a fucking Chevy Nova.

He can make a pond. I think he can dig a hole and put some water in it. Yeah. And this the cellmate said that's when he told me that means a hit, which means murder. Duh. So get things wet. That's going to get it all murder. Duh. Gonna get things wet. Gonna get it all wet. It's a wet work.

So the trial comes around. They're gonna try Boob and Heichel together. Wow. They're tried together. Kermit Butts is severed from all this because he's got another thing going on here. Yeah. So in the opening arguments here,

District Attorney Stacey Parks Miller, which, by the way she will lose and then regain her law license for some shady shit she did um really a little bit later on not involving this case she had she had a whole thing where she had a facebook page like a fake a phony facebook page that was like you know like a hot girl to troll to be able to investigate things on facebook and troll people and get people to talk to her and stuff like this. And certain things she did, there was some forgery accusations. I don't know what the fuck the deal was, but it's a complicated mess.

But I saw she lost her law license and then got it back later on, had it reinstated. An opening argument, she told the jurors that Miranda had been trying since 2008 to get someone to kill her husband and that they would present witnesses that also say that she asked them to shoot sam they the prosecutor said that mirinda was having an affair with a man named west decker and wanted to get rid of her husband so she could be with decker when decker refused she continued the affair with him but also started one with heichel and got him to kill the husband yeah she said the evidence will show she wanted out of this marriage she grew up spoiled got what she wanted mirinda boob just wanted a different life or maybe a different name but not a different life

one positive thing about mirinda boob she's not a quitter because she kept trying to find a man who would help her kill her husband yeah you're you're not wrong. No. She kept slinging it all over the place, trying to get somebody to do it. She's got a stick-to-it-ness that's impressive. A slide-around-on-ness that's really good. You know, if she could utilize that at a fucking day job, she'd be CEO. Actually do something with herself here. She'd be a CEO. Oh, God. day job she'd be ceo actually do something with herself here she'd be a ceo oh god so ed blar blar nick blar blanaric that's her attorney he took 20 minutes for his opening statements he

told the jurors there's no evidence she had any part in this okay yeah they said you're gonna find her not guilty quote a lot of evidence at first will be very damning. You know, some text messages and shit where she describes it. No doubt about it. Don't judge a book by its cover, though. OK, sure. Sounds great. Asshole. Kermit Butts comes in here.

He's the first witness. And obviously he's a good witness. Butts, they say, though, when he was first interviewed, he didn't provide any information about the killing. They said, you told them you didn't know anything. You didn't know nothing about nothing. Quote, unquote. That's literally what he said. And Butts said, yes, sir. And the defense attorney said, in fact, you lied to them, meaning the police. And Butts said, yes, sir. And they said that that you also the second time they talked to you, you lied again. And they said that you also, the second time they talked to you, you lied again.

And so, you know, you keep lying. And they said that, and if convicted, you're facing a lot of time in prison on these charges, right? And he said, yeah, absolutely. And he's expected, he said, I bet they're going to charge me with more stuff now. And he said, I thought I was going to be charged with conspiracy to murder. And then the defense attorney says, you're just trying to save yourself. You're not doing this out of the goodness of your heart. And he said, yes, I am, sir.

Which I don't believe either of those. They said, you're not expecting anything whatsoever. He said, well, he's hoping and praying that his prison sentence will be reduced. But I'm not expecting anything. Yeah. Sam Boob Sr. testifies. Oh, no. He was a juniorifies oh no he was a junior yeah yeah he's a junior here um and they said if let's say he wanted to put a pond in would sam call in somebody to like pay them to help and they said never he'd do everything by himself his dad said i did a lot of projects

with him and he never called anybody to help him to do it other than his friends and me he's not gonna hire somebody his friends it doesn't rent a bobcat get a 12 pack and have his friends come over well he said i own a skip loader and we could have easily put it in his yard stop it that's like an afternoon of a couple of beers and we'll knock this bitch out no problem unbelievable you'll have a pond you'll they'll be you'll be fishing by thursday you want a pond i'll build you a fucking lake let's go let's do this um so also they said, did you talk to your son? Did he ever say he was considering a pond? And he said no.

So now coworkers are the Tom Holloway and Mike McDaniel. Those are the guys that say they were smoking and they're like, there they go. Yeah. They said that when they saw them leave and when they saw them get back from the when they left and came back to the bunkhouse, he said that McDaniel said that Heichel and Butts weren't didn't talk. They usually chit chatted with them. They said that was weird. And later, he said when McDaniel said when they were tearing down the fare rides, Butts said he, quote, couldn't wait to get out of town. Boy, I can't get the fuck out of here.

Jesus Christ. That's fucking wild. About to be some heat. Did you hear those fucking sirens? Did you hear that shit? And then Boob Cellmate again, he testifies, and he said they were cellmates. They were jailed together for almost a year and cellies for about two months. And, yeah, he said that, you know know they talked all about this and they said you're

very torn about being here and this guy said you have strong feelings for her true and kempton said yes this is another guy that she was having an affair with i lord i cared about her she wasn't always honest with me about things and it began to cause problems she was trying well yeah she's married and having an affair with three different guys. That's trying. That's one way to put it. She's certainly trying. Yeah.

And they said, do you know, did she ever talk to you about her knowledge of what pond meant? And he said, yes. He said that was a word they used to mean to kill Mr. Boob. So in the closing arguments, the defense attorney said that both of their defense attorneys just blamed each other, Boob and Heichel. It's all him and she – yeah, he said it's all her. This is her attorney. Quote, he took it upon himself. Yes, that's how it is.

He said he was brought up in an abusive family. He could not stand for anyone that would be doing that type of abuse. Then said she was obsessed with killing Sam. What could, uh, who could do something so cold? We all know who it's Miranda. Oh man,

Miranda cold. Um, so that was funny too. They had a parade of her boyfriends coming in and going, yeah, I mean, she was a bitch. Don't get me wrong.

Like she was a real pain in the ass and everything. But I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't kill nobody for, um, the me wrong. Like, she was a real pain in the ass and everything. But, I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't kill nobody for her. The prosecutor said since 2008 she intended that a first-degree murder occur. She shopped around. And then once she got to the third person, quote, third time's a charm. Oh, my God.

Third time's a boob charm. So the verdict comes in two hours, less than two hours of deliberation, by the way. This is for both people. Really? And they're both found guilty as balls. Yeah, what are you going to do? Both of them are convicted of all four charges against them, first and third degree murder, criminal conspiracy to commit homicide, and conspiracy to commit aggravated assault.

Wow. Sentencing comes around. You, sir and ma'am, may fuck off. Automatic life sentence for each of them and they're also sentenced to 20 to 40 years on the conspiracy homicide charge, all to be

served in state prison. They're never getting out, either one of them. They're both fucked. They're both done. Done, done, done. In forever. She's under 30 when this happened. Gone them oh my god they're both done um done done done in forever she's under 30 when this happened gone oh my god yeah gone under 30 mother of four mother of four gone forever gone forever maybe don't try that hard she could have got a divorce in a year and a half yeah would have been easier it's not like she had nowhere to go she had a rich family that would have supported her she would have been set up on her own she's just didn't feel like it it's just easier this way

his his life insurance consisted of 37 000 which was his annual income she probably made more than that that's yeah she was making doing fine how could you not want to wow um that as they're being brought out of court they said well you know how do you feel about this a mirinda said quote it sucks and kept walking they asked heikel the same thing and he said quote god have mercy on their souls on their souls whose yeah well that said you're guilty those people wow the da said while it doesn't bring Sam Boob back, I hope that it provides a measure of healing for them to see these people be held accountable for the brutal murder of Sam Boob. It's a measure of justice, but it doesn't bring Sam back. So while it's probably something that helps them heal, it's nothing to be celebratory about.

Kermit Butts here. He pleads guilty to hindering prosecution in a murder plot. That's his charge here. He pled guilty in his sentence to you, sir, may fuck off 11 months in prison. What? For being the driver. Because he never actually knew, though. Yeah, he knew.

But he didn't. He wasn't there. Even if he was standing off to the side or if he helped with the body, he didn't do any of that. He sat at a fucking at a street sign and smoked a joint in the woods. And he helped a lot put this whole thing together. He's a good witness, I think, is the problem. And I don't think he was the issue, Kermit Butts. No, no.

He's got a lot of issues. This ain't it. This isn't the one. Yeah, he lives in a bunkhouse. He's, you know, all these issues. That's issues, but not that. So 2014, Boob is going to appeal. She also appealed in 2012.

She keeps appealing. She's going through all of her state appeals as much as she can. place with the then center county chief prosecutor michael my mid-era mid-era for less than 15 years which was subsequently dismissed when the newly elected district attorney stacy park miller took office okay which that's i mean that's her she didn't make her job right yeah that's that's a tough one there i mean that's a tough one on the on the criminal. But that happens all the time. I mean, you get fucked on deals unless you're making it with the top person. You're not making it really.

So they said that they should have filed in her file. She said her lawyer should have filed a motion to enforce the plea agreement and did not. And they also allege incompetence and not having any record of the plea agreement. So, yeah, it's not going to fly in court. You don't even have a record of it. So her lawyer died, by the way, in between this time. So the guy that spoke in cliche. Yeah, he did.

He's dead. So Boob complained her attorney was ineffective for filing to fail a motion to enforce the plea. The Commonwealth's response to the claim called it meritless and asked the judge to dismiss it without a hearing, and the court said, yeah, we don't need to talk about this. Fuck off. Keep going. Herschel in 2050, or Heichel, I keep calling him Herschel, Heichel, he filed a petition under the Post-Conviction Relief Act

claiming that his attorney was ineffective and violated his constitutional rights. Did you shot a man? Well, he asserted a myriad of injustices, including his attorney was ineffective for failing to properly investigate, cross-examine witnesses, and pursue at trial on appeal the issue of an alternative perpetrator shooter referenced in the police reports. They also say that the judge then at that point stated

that the defendant's mere suggestion of the possibility of an alternative trial strategy does not give rise to an ineffective assistance of counsel claim. So fuck off, you two. Currently, Marinda remains incarcerated at the state correctional institution in Muncie. And Ronald is serving. No, no. With a Y. Oh. Pennsylvania.

Lycoming County. And Ronald has got his time at the state correctional institution in Frackville, Pennsylvania. Mahoney. As of 2020, Miranda has run out of state appeals. And Heichel has one appeal pending, but he's not getting shit. The guy texted, I'm going to murder him. I'm going to murder him. Cool to murder him now?

Oh, my God. Can I have the key to murder him easier? Okay, thanks for making it easier for me to commit this horrible, horrible atrocity. I gave you a gun and told you he's making breakfast. Wow, that is crazy. That's Center Hall, Pennsylvania, everybody. Holy shit, what a place. Boobs and butts all around this

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