Small Town Murder - #456 - Horrors In The Graveyard - Pawtucket, Rhode Island

Episode Date: January 13, 2024

This week, in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, a long, booze & drug filled day ends with a strange interaction at the cemetery, that leaves a local woman's head, completely crushed by a tombstone.... It's a cold & awful act, made worse by the weak attempts to get away with it, and their even worse attempts at trying to blame each other. Will the punishment fit the hideous crime, or will they continue to be criminals??Along the way, we find out that when you think Rhode Island, you should think of Chinese dragon boat races, that a cemetery is creepy place to have sex, and that when you're both terrible people, blaming each other won't help!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: crimeinsports@gmail.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening early and ad-free on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay, choo-choo! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrogallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on a absolutely bonkers episode of Small Town
Starting point is 00:00:57 Murder Express. As the Express episodes are always insane, we only have an hour and we are going to cram a wild, insane murder story. Because we get to a lot of these stories for the regular show. We'll go, man, that's the craziest thing I ever heard. I wish there was more information so we could do a whole show. And this show is like, oh, here it is.
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Starting point is 00:02:31 which you'll have access to, of course. We're going to talk about players with disabilities over the years. Oh, boy. People with missing limbs playing sports. It's phenomenal and very crazy, and some of them are some odd sports we have never talked about.
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Starting point is 00:03:23 you're missing an hour of laughs every week. You're blowing it. You're blowing it. So let's do this. I think it's time, everybody, to sit back. What do you say, Jimmy? It's all clear of the lungs here. All right.
Starting point is 00:03:33 And let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah, we shall. We are going to Rhode Island today. Our smallest state.
Starting point is 00:03:53 And we're going to Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Is that right? Yes. Which the only reason I ever knew that existed as a child was that was where the Red Sox AAA was. So if you'd see baseball cards on the back, guys that play for the Red Sox, they'd have stats from Pawtucket. And I'd be like, where the Red Sox AAA was. So if you'd see baseball cards on the back, guys that played for the Red Sox, they'd have stats from Pawtucket, and I'd be like, where the fuck is that?
Starting point is 00:04:10 It's in Rhode Island, as you might know here. It's about 45 minutes to Boston. So they get, I remember I've been here, they get all the Boston news, and it's all Boston. Oh, God. Everything right there gets all Boston all the time. It's all Boston, yeah. It's overwhelmingly Red. Oh, God. Everything right there gets all Boston all the time. It's all Boston, yeah. It's overwhelmingly Red Sox country.
Starting point is 00:04:27 About 30 minutes to Foster, Rhode Island, which was our last episode, episode 395, not answering the call of duty. And everything in Rhode Island is pretty close. It's all going to be 30 minutes, 30 minutes, because the state is the size of your backyard, pretty much. And you don't even have a big lot. It's Phoenix. But that's about how big the state is. size of like your backyard pretty much and you don't even have that big you don't even have a big lot it's phoenix so yeah but that's about how big the state is it's tiny not not big population of this town right now is 75 200 when this happened wow a lot less so we'll talk about that median household income here 56 427 which is below the national average by more than $10,000. Median home price here, $322,600. Who knew Pawtucket was so affordable?
Starting point is 00:05:14 Yeah, I mean, nowadays, yeah, that would be affordable. In comparison to fucking everywhere else in New England. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, to be within driving distance of Boston, if you could work there. And it's not bad the motto here join the evolution not revolution evolution okay that's they're getting fancy there fuck does that mean or their other motto is you may have heard of us on family guy which is the other one so not quite as as far reaching but I think that think that's the minor league baseball team shirt you got me.
Starting point is 00:05:48 I think it's the Pawtucket Clam Suckers or Clam Eaters. That's what it is. It's the Pawtucket Clam Eaters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The name Pawtucket is an Algonquin word for river fall. So there you go, if you wonder why they named it that. The first settler was a guy named Joseph Jenkins Jr. That's too many Js.
Starting point is 00:06:08 Joseph Jenkins Jr. He came to the region from Lynn, Massachusetts, bought a bunch of acres of land in the 1600s, made a sawmill and a forge, and then the entire town was destroyed during the King Philip's War. Yeah, that's right. King Philip's War. King Philip was pissed. Apparently, he was all sorts of pissed off. destroyed during the king philip's war oh yeah that's right during our king philip's war king philip was pissed apparently he was all sorts of pissed off and just wiped out pawtucket and said no more pawtucket we won't have it anymore so you know when that happens here so other settlers followed and they started planting shit and building shit and they made ships here and uh
Starting point is 00:06:42 all that sort of thing by the 1920s it was a mill town one of these mill towns you know all sorts of factories and stuff had a half dozen movie theaters two dozen hotels and a lot of nice stores and houses and it was a a nice nice place actually sure because it's close to the fucking ocean they had a an ornate movie palace called pawtucket's million dollar theater also that they built that was a big deal now some reviews of this town let's see here this is a weird one for five stars five stars a local italian restaurant that are the homeliest atmosphere in the world along with retro music players at each booth and the most delicious chicken parmesan in the world.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Five stars, Pawtucket. That's Pawtucket. The whole place is an Italian restaurant where they come around with accordions and mandolins while you eat chicken parmesan. And play, what did he say, pop? I don't know. I didn't understand a lot of that
Starting point is 00:07:43 because this person, I don't know, English isn't their first language of that because this person, I don't know. English isn't their first language. Playing all your pop favorites on a mandolin. Retro music players at each booth is what they say. So I think they come around and play shit. Play old-fashioned shit for you probably on a mandolin or something. That's annoying. I'm trying to fucking eat.
Starting point is 00:08:02 That is interesting here. Three stars. I feel like Pawtucket slash Providence gives you this code of everything. Okay. I don't know. Is there shit in the water? I don't know if there's like nuclear sites where they store nuclear waste and it's getting into the groundwater. I don't know what's going on, but this is really confusing.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Gives you this code of everything. It's hard to explain. I guess so, because that makes no sense. Give it a run. You better give it a whirl, because I have no idea what you're talking about. If you can't explain it, don't put it out publicly. You're not ready for publication. Don't bring it up.
Starting point is 00:08:38 It's not ready yet. Prepare your press release and then put it out. This is crazy. It's hard to explain. It's one of those places where you have to be in the moment. I'm going to read. You're getting even more vague by the second, my friend. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:54 I feel like Pawtucket gives you this code of everything. It's hard to explain. It's one of those places where you have to be in the moment. Yeah. Okay. I mean, a goddamn thing. I don't know what you're talking about. That sounds like a code that I don't have the decoder ring for at all.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Also, you can't forget about the history of Providence and the great, wonderful things we have and do. That's like a World War II message that needs to be decoded. Like, you know, the gray fox rises at dawn. You're like, that's not right. Is that a warning? Like, we're pretty badass around here. You come around here, we're going to fuck you up. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:09:37 You never know. Who the hell knows? Are they drunk? What's going on in this town? You guys do clam chowder great, and you drink Sam Adams and Dunkin' Donuts. You do the same shit Boston does. Stop it. Yeah, it's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:09:50 You're not special. Here's one star now. In the past year, the crime rate has increased tremendously, which I looked, and that's not actually a fact. Yeah, the police do their job, but it doesn't stop people from committing more crimes. Well, that's everywhere. Well, yeah, you can't. No one's going to go to their houses and go, hey, don't do that. We wait till after they do it.
Starting point is 00:10:15 And if they're then getting arrested, I don't know what else you really want from from society at that point. We've we're trying our best. It makes everything unsafe and people are starting to feel uncomfortable going out at nighttime. Okay. That person sounds 90 years old. Yeah, be terrified. I don't know what to tell you. That sounds like a 90-year-old person is what that sounds like.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Things to do. Okay, here we go. This is exactly what you'd expect, obviously, when I read this. The Rhode Island Chinese Dragon Boat Races and Taiwan Day Festival. The what? Right? obviously when i read this the rhode island chinese dragon boat races and taiwan day festival the what right it's all a code jimmy it's hard to explain you have to be in the moment we embrace chinese uh taiwanese culture around here that review is making more sense by by the moment here join the thousands of people who attend every year for great entertainment, exciting competition, family fun, and a prime opportunity to learn more
Starting point is 00:11:08 about Chinese and Taiwanese cultures with dragon boat races. I had no idea. I don't know anything about. They're looking for both for club teams looking for a challenge and amateur corporate teams looking to do team building.
Starting point is 00:11:23 That sounds so expensive. you have to have a boat apparently i have there's also a dumpling eating contest so you can do that i'd like to see that on inside me i'd like to see it on a boat that would be fun loser has to walk the plane and then there is a yo-yo performance someone will perform yo-yo tricks that is very fun there-yo tricks. That is very fun there. So that's things to do. And lion dancers, which I think are the people that put the lions on. The big lion costume.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Yeah, the long ones. Yeah, one of those deals there. Long lion dragon things. All right. Yeah, and then they have races too, probably. And then try to eat as many dumplings as they can. That said, let's talk about some murder here. Let's do it. All right. Let's talk about some murder here. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:12:05 All right. Let's talk about just a strange group of people here. Okay. Oh. Let's go back to 1993. Mm-hmm. All right. We were just talking about 1993 before we started, too.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Yeah. Exactly 1993. What a time. Very interesting here. So 1993 put in action here. Let's all put our mindsets there. Put your cell phones away. Nothing but Jordan and McDonald's commercials.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Oh, Jordan trying to sell you Gatorade and everything else. Michael Jordan sold you everything. Well, he and Larry Bird played horse. Yeah. Incredibly. You drink your Gatorade while eating your mcdonald's and wearing your haines and fucking and dunking with your nikes that was what a what a time what a what a story mark so let's meet let's meet a young man who's 17 years old at this at this point in 93 so a guy like that
Starting point is 00:13:01 would have been you know almost almost like in high school when we were in high school. Like you would have been like a senior when we're freshmen or whatever. So you're a freshman and I'm a sophomore. I don't know what the fuck. So either way, 17, I think two years apart. Yeah. So his name is Bradley Kryla. K.R.Y.L.A.
Starting point is 00:13:21 Cool name. Sounds like it's missing some letters. Honestly, it's a valor sounds like sounds like a material you make like tactical shit out of yeah somebody like has shiny pants and you're like those are cool what are those other kryla yeah you should get them no they're stretchy but they don't shrink it's really nice it's a good fabric yeah kryla there's a lot of places to put pocket knives yeah it's awesome now, Bradley Kryla, he was born six weeks premature, which a lot of people are. That's a range where it could be.
Starting point is 00:13:51 That's early, though. It's early. My daughter was a month early. Really? Yeah. She was a month. My wife at the time almost died. She had the thing where the blood pressure goes up, and they had to induce her.
Starting point is 00:14:04 It was like, hey, we're going to induce you or you're going to die. Which one would you like? So, yeah, she was there. This guy, he's born six weeks prematurely. Only weighed three pounds, six ounces, though. That's a little light. Those last six weeks are— I think there's a lot of growing going on in there.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Boy, do you. Yeah. There's a lot of— If you double every few weeks and you're a fucking sperm, it takes a little bit to get to the end part. It's like a 401k. Yeah. The last few years, you really suck it away. It pumps it up pretty quick at the end there.
Starting point is 00:14:31 That's how this works, too. So, yeah, things form. They harden up in the last six weeks as far as skulls. Specifically bones. Brains also of that sort of thing. And his brain did not develop normally. Really? Bradley, no.
Starting point is 00:14:49 He had, and this is, I don't know how to explain this, but several bumps on his head damaged the left frontal region. He's got big bumps on his head. Holy. He wasn't developed. He wasn't done cooking yet. No. He's like a cookie that isn't quite, you know what I mean? It little gooey in the middle still you want that you want that crisp that's yeah um and
Starting point is 00:15:10 that's the region that controls decision making so he's obviously gonna have a hard time growing up here sure by age four this brain damage he started to get severe migraine headaches by age four and had them throughout just and at four you can't describe that no just my head hurts really bad and please turn the light off would be all which is weird from a four-year-old and when i say things don't reply do not talk just a cold washcloth over his forehead like turn please turn the light off while he lays there on a on a fucking daybed you're like what's going on here turn the light off and don't say a fucking word like a lady who's had too much wine by four you know what i mean why my four-year-old just told me not a fucking word why is there a box of wine in the garbage what's going on
Starting point is 00:15:59 so this kid obviously has a little bit tough. Um, in school, he had attention problems. Sure. No attention span and concentration problems. And obviously, uh, trouble with his decision-making because his brain is damaged as well. Not a good learner here. Um,
Starting point is 00:16:18 by 17, he's, he's got a pretty good stutter going on. Number one. And he can't understand or recite the Pledge of Allegiance properly. At what age? At 17, which if you are not from America, if you are not outside the United States, in school every single day, the Pledge of Allegiance is said before classes start. So it's literally he's been in school since he was five and has not learned this.
Starting point is 00:16:47 He's heard it every single day. And it's so that's that's something right there. One doctor said, quote, he can't function like you and me. Yeah. Got some problems here. He's got a friend also. So he's got a buddy also so he's got a buddy though by 17 and his buddy's name his buddy's his buddy is of average intelligence and uh i think he you know his skull was formed properly
Starting point is 00:17:12 so he's got a buddy with a fully formed skull we're really uh our expectations at this point are just do you have a fully formed skull or not? Have you got a skull? That's where we are in this story, and it's only going to sink and sink. So his name is Derek Brown. He's 17. That's his buddy. So we got Derek Brown, and we got Bradley Kryla. And he knows all the pledge.
Starting point is 00:17:37 He knows it all, yeah. He's trying to teach it to Bradley, but it's not quite sticking. Walking him through it. Now, these two, they end up seeing on one evening uh they know of this woman and they end up conducting we'll say i guess attempting to conduct business with her one evening her name is sherry a roy and i'm like what's she do roy roy like goldie hawn says and overboard she's 29 at the time okay now let's talk about sherry a little bit though back when she was 18 this is yeah now what 11 years earlier so we're talking 1982 sherry roy according to police um sherry when she was 18 she was living with her grandmother ag Agnes Beck, who is 75 years old at the time.
Starting point is 00:18:27 And during a quarrel at 1040 at night at grandma's house here, she the grandmother sustained a large bruise over her right eye because Sherry hit this 75 year old woman in the face with her fist she punched grandma in the eye at 18 she hit grant with a left she's got a hell of a left actor with a fucking yeah that is that's wild imagine punching your grandma in the eye think about that think about how crazy well my grandmother would stab me if i punched her in the eye that would have been a that's a fight at that point my grandmother is suffering from dementia at a level that i can't fathom jimmy go over and just fucking rock her rock her if i rocked that old lady she would beat the piss out of me because at this point she wouldn't even recognize me as a loved one yeah she's willing to be the piss oh that crazy son of a bitch just hit me she's scared you're robbing her to begin with so she's gonna be on guard this is like you i i hope everybody
Starting point is 00:19:32 when i said she put at 18 years old punched her 75 year old grandmother in the eye i hope everyone went jesus holy shit that's uncalled for that's wild because that is wild um to the point where her mother uh not not the grandma's mother, obviously. We're talking grandma's daughter, Sherry's mom. She called police to say, hey, we got a problem over here with this whole thing. My daughter just punched my mother in the face. Socked her in the eye. Socked her in the eye, fucked her up.
Starting point is 00:20:01 The cops came and arrested her for it because you can't punch old ladies that's like as bad as it gets right there yeah that's the that's like a oh what are you gonna go punch old ladies that's you know so she was released on her own recognizance here and she was charged with assault on an elderly person over 60. And there we go. Yeah. And she's also her grandmother is also handicapped as well. So, yeah, because she's 70, 75 year old handicapped woman. She said, fuck you, grandma, and punched her in the eye. Fuck you, granny. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:20:38 That's the old David Clark didn't even punch Aunt Edna. And he had every reason. Oh, man. I mean, yeah, at least a little like oh i hit her with an elbow i'm sorry were you there i didn't see you didn't even trip her this broad just said what's up bitch pow now by 1993 she's 29 years old she has two daughters by this time about six and about eight at this moment in time her daughter's ages are she's also a pretty ravenous drug addict and a quote this is from the local police quote a known local prostitute as well okay so it's not going
Starting point is 00:21:16 well it's going as well as you'd expect it to go for someone who punches their grandmother in the eye when she's they're fucking 18 she's obviously got some kind of issues going on here um that sounds like a drug husband yeah i didn't hear husband in there and uh she has two children from early 20s so it's going tough in her late 20s she's got two children that's not easy no it's not at all i don't know if she needs a husband probably that might help i know i'm just saying a teammate while you have a drug problem might help. Yeah. That's those people usually split, though. That's not. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Drug addicts tend to they tend to just drive a wedge in relationships. They tend to make their own teams on their own. You know, just me. So August 23rd, 1993. It's a nice summer night in 1993. Think about what we were doing in a nice summer night in 1993. It was something nicer than this. We'll put it that way.
Starting point is 00:22:10 This is at the Mineral Springs Cemetery. This all goes down. What? Yes. This is a city-owned cemetery. It's a small grassy knoll and it's known by, this is from a newspaper, as quote, hangout for drug addicts and prostitutes
Starting point is 00:22:26 oh they all very nice congregated the cemetery we're almost here because it's a public place i guess they're allowed to be there so uh that night here uh bradley derrick and sherry come together and uh you know they all converge together here and emerge from a dark alley and end up in a cemetery together. So here is a guy named Junior Green. Junior is his first name. Fantastic. It's going well for him as well.
Starting point is 00:22:56 He is a friend of Bradley, and he said that Bradley drank malt liquor with him all day on the on august 23rd and they had smoked marijuana together so okay they're smoking weed and they drank 40s is what they had actually yeah brad drank about 340s that day which is a lot jesus fucking that's we grew up in high school drinking 40s and malt liquor's fucking strong and 340s will knock your ass down you think it's oe or mickey's it's one of the two, though. Maybe, maybe. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:27 This guy probably crazy horse. He's going with that, which tasted like piss. That shit was nasty. Steel Reserve. Oh, man. St. Ives was nasty, too. So now back to Sherry. Sherry has a roommate named Harold Strobel,
Starting point is 00:23:47 and he saw her about 10 p.m. that night. He said that he spent the day with her and that she left the house intending to purchase cigarettes at about 10 p.m. So she said, I'm going to go out and grab some cigarettes. And that was she. He said last time he saw Sherry, she was headed in the direction of the cemetery that night. Last time she saw her walking away from the house that night. Now, she entered the cemetery with the two of these kids, Derek Brown and Bradley Kryla, about 10 p.m. After they offered her crack cocaine. Perfect. They said, would you like some crack? And she said, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:24:19 I was just going for cigarettes, but that sounds much better. So they said, sure sure let's go into the cemetery which is where everybody goes to smoke crack apparently in this town so uh and roy too it's not been going well for her she's been arrested twice in the last year on prostitution charges so oh yeah this is this is not a once in a while thing if you're getting arrested a lot that means you're that's your profession i I mean, you're doing it. You're doing it way more than you're getting arrested. Totally.
Starting point is 00:24:48 That's what I mean. So the boys, they show up. They've been drinking, smoking weed and doing coke all day long. The two of them. So, yeah, they're boof. So apparently there was some form of and we'll find out exactly what happened. But there's some form of disagreement in the distribution of sexual favors here. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Because this is that's going to be the transaction here is, you know. Oh, sexual favors for the coke. For the coke. Yeah. That's how that's how this is supposed to work. So when apparently she resisted something that was going on, they began punching and beating her with sticks. What? Punching and beating her with sticks. What? Punching and beating her with sticks.
Starting point is 00:25:26 So she was struggling to crawl away from them as they punched her and beat her with sticks. So one of them, and we'll find out who and exactly what happened here, picked up a two foot tall, 77 pound tombstone. Oh, my God. That was loose. They grabbed a loose fucking gravestone. A marker of a dead body. Yeah. And beat her with it.
Starting point is 00:25:51 And picked it up high and dropped it on her skull. Holy shit. Which completely shattered her fucking skull and crushed her brain. Obviously. That's enough. Her brain is now worse than Bradley Kryla's. Yeah. It's bad times. This is. That'sless. Yeah, it's bad times.
Starting point is 00:26:05 This is that's horrible. Wow. That's a hard. Imagine doing that to some. Imagine picking up a 77 pound fucking giant a gravestone for Christ's sake. Right. Let's not even talk about the moral aspects of taking someone else's graves gravestone away. But then using that to crush a woman's skull because she didn't fuck you how
Starting point is 00:26:27 you wanted for crack for crack for crack this it gets seedier with every level you say that yeah it really does the bottom layer is real gross it's fucking disgusting so junior green back to him again his girlfriend girlfriend Paula Gall. Does anyone have a good name in this entire thing? And this is coming from a Petra Gallo, so I'm not sniping on names. Trust me. Junior Green is dating Paula Gall. Paula Gall.
Starting point is 00:26:53 She said that Kryla and some other guy she didn't know came over to the house. That would be Derek Brown that night. They showed up later on after midnight covered in blood. Hi, guys. How you doing after midnight covered in blood. Hi guys, how you doing? Covered in blood here. Popped over to a friend's house covered in blood. I feel bad for Junior because if you're Junior and you're hanging out with
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Starting point is 00:29:07 this is amazing she found it this is the most 1993 shit ever she found it odd that he didn't laugh when she joked about aids as he washed it was a good joke he didn't even laugh it wasn't even offensive nothing so i don't even know i didn't even imply gay anal sex not even a little bit so now bradley's got a girlfriend by the way and I've said this many times guys who are out there and they're complaining they can't get any girls and all this type of shit his brain didn't even his skull isn't even correct here and he's got a girlfriend so I don't want to hear your shit there's somebody out there you got to work for it that's right so uh his girlfriend is Giselle Doval- He got a Giselle?
Starting point is 00:30:06 Giselle Doval-Romento. She sounds hot as fuck. Do-Liv-Romento. Do-Liv-Romento. That sounds like a hot woman. Giselle Do-Liv-Romento. How did he get a Giselle? It sounds like she's married to a soccer player that makes a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:30:24 She's a smoke show. I guarantee it. And his sister, Bradley's sister, Natalie, lives with Giselle. OK, now Natalie says that that's the sister that Derek Brown and Brad came over to their house here and that Giselle washed their sneakers and threw Derek Brown's jeans away. So not only are you dating a Giselle, she's the down-ass bitch. She's like, I'll wash the blood out of your sneakers. That's wild.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Your smoke show is also a ride or die? Get out of here. This is wild. Natalie said Bradley's eyes were very bloodshot and he looked pale and vomited soon after arriving. Yeah. Bloody, pale and vomiting. He just murdered a woman.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Bloody, pale, vomiting and not laughing at AIDS jokes. There's something wrong with this guy. I'm telling you right now. And she's still washing his clothes. Unbelievable. Unreal. So the next morning at 8 a.m., a neighborhood woman is walking her dogs through the cemetery as she does on a morningly basis. And she finds the partly clothed body of Sherry Roy there, beaten, battered and indistinguishable facially.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Like her head is so fucked up that they can't even recognize her. The local cops, when they get there, they know her. They arrest her all the time. They't even recognize her. The local cops, when they get there, they know her. They arrest her all the time. They didn't recognize her. So that says something about what they did to this fucking poor woman. That's horrible. The medical examiner who performed the autopsy said that there were abrasions and scrapes over a large portion of her left facial area.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Her shoulders had numerous abrasions on both the right front and right back. There was a bruise and a crescent defect in the area of her left ear, and there were numerous other abrasions covering her body. Also, she suffered substantial internal damage. He describes her brain and brain stem as having being pushed into small bits and pieces, quote unquote. Good God. Brain and brain stems squished into small bits and pieces and that the base of her brain
Starting point is 00:32:38 had been, quote, obliterated and that the area where the brain sits was just pried right open so the fracture defect area went from the top right through the nasal bone area. They crushed her skull from the back to the front. The back of her fucking brain hit her nose. Oh, my God. That's disturbing. That's fucked up, man. That's not just dropping.
Starting point is 00:33:03 That's driving 77 pounds into somebody from over your fucking head. And also, the doctor will later say that, or will say here, that Sherry was still alive when the tombstone injury occurred. Jesus. She was alive. They were beating her within inches of her
Starting point is 00:33:20 fucking life and then did that to her. She was still crawling. Detectives, though, this is some handy dandy police work for 1993 detectives were able to lift fingerprints from not only the tombstone yeah but also a broken tree limb that was they believed was used to beat roy great that's good police work back then. No shit. Back then they used to say, like before DNA was everything, they used to say like your department's fingerprint guy really makes or breaks a lot of things. Because not all fingerprint people are created equal. Like some of them are really good at pulling prints off of shit that other people aren't very good at pulling off of. Give them worth the salt. So apparently they got a good one over here.
Starting point is 00:34:05 So not bad. Good for him. So the detectives, they work 65 straight hours to figure out to do this case. At least they're not just saying, well, I don't know. It's a crackhead and we arrested her for prostitution a bunch. So fuck it. Who cares? That's what happens.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Whatever. And then made an AIDS joke and walked away. It's better that they actually were working it. That's nice. They were talking to everybody in the neighborhood, people who frequently visit the other crackheads is what they're talking to. Everyone
Starting point is 00:34:35 that she knows, they talk to Harold. They try to retrace her steps of how she might have got there. One thing about if someone is in this line of lifestyle, it's difficult to trace them a lot of times because they go places where no one can see them a lot and they interact with a lot of people in a short amount of time which is yeah and the people that interact with their don't want to discuss it they don't want to discuss it and a lot of them are on the shady side as well so that's
Starting point is 00:35:04 the other there's so many suspects to to deal with that's why the inner the fingerprints are so fucking important so they finally learned that someone saw sherry enter the cemetery of the cemetery with a couple of teenagers after midnight or around midnight somebody said which was really about 10 p.m they said that they were unclear exactly what was going on, but they did find out that one of the suspects did know her from before. He said they ran into her on the street, which is not uncommon in that area. Sure. Then they also learned from a neighborhood person who was wandering around that they
Starting point is 00:35:41 saw that two males, teenagers, were seen apparently running from the cemetery covered in blood at 1230 a.m. That's a problem. That's weird. I'm those two guys. I feel like we figured it out. Running covered in blood from a cemetery at midnight. Wow. She probably also felt like this is the safest possible interaction she's about to have tonight.
Starting point is 00:36:07 It's two teenagers. Two teenagers. And we're doing this for crack. This should be in and out done. Yeah. They'll take two seconds and I'll get some crack and it's over. Now I go get cigarettes. Go get on my way. Yeah. I don't know. So during this investigation, the detective said he received two anonymous calls from a man who provided him with some information. Then he asked the man to stop by the detective division and talk to him. And the man he talked to was Bradley Kryla. That's the guy who was calling. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:39 So this is August 26. So three days later, his father, Bradley's father, told him that the police were looking for him. He said because he had borrowed a funnel from a gas station without paying for it. So he stole a funnel from a gas station. Yeah, that's not bar. That's not shoplifting. He said he was planning on bringing it back. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:02 But you used it. It's a funnel. Now it's not going to sold to somebody else now. What did you run down it? Because sometimes you can't get that shit out. You can't get fucking brake fluid out of the grooves in a funnel. I'm not paying for someone else's funnel. Fuck you.
Starting point is 00:37:16 No. So that way he thought he had to talk to the cops about that. Later that day, Bradley and his girlfriend approached their apartment and saw a cop car parked outside the house. They were like, uh-oh. He said he didn't know whether police were looking for him because of the funnel or for other reasons. That's terrible. That's not great. Everything from funnels to murder.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Could be anything in between. Drugs, funnels, drugs, murder, all sorts of stuff going on. Crazy. Yeah. So he's told his girlfriend here. He told Giselle to go on ahead of him to find out what's happening. You go up and walk and see what they ask you. You know, find out if they ask you about me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:58 So the officers handcuffed her and put her in the police car and drove away. So she didn't come back with any answers. They cuffed her. and put her in the police car and drove away. So she didn't come back with any answers. They cuffed her. He then said he waited for the officers to return to the spot because he decided he was just going to get this over with. Okay, talking to them.
Starting point is 00:38:17 So this detective shows up at the apartment driving an unmarked police car. He walks up to Brad Kryla, asks his name, and said, Would you come with me to the police station? And Brad said, Sure. Hop in the car. He walks up to Brad Kryla, asks his name, and said, would you come with me to the police station? And Brad said, sure. Hop in the car. Let's do this. They get to the police station here.
Starting point is 00:38:36 They put him in the detective's interrogation room, and they're talking to him. Then they have people waiting there. They're bringing other people in at the same time. They're bringing in Derek Brown. They're bringing Giselle sitting there. They're also bringing other people in at the same time. They're bringing in Derek Brown, Giselle sitting there, the whole crew. So far they've done a terrific job. Yeah, they really have. They're talking to him.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Both of these idiots are going to make pretty incriminating statements to the police here. About each other or about themselves? Themselves, each other, everybody. Oh, terrific. But you can tell who's dumber because Kryla's is a lot about himself and Derek Brown is like, oh, it's all that guy, which is kind of not believable. So they videotaped Kryla's statement. He said he remained very calm and he describes the crime in great detail.
Starting point is 00:39:15 And at one point in the middle of describing how they horribly and brutally murdered a woman, he said he's very hungry. Oh, just starving. Just really could use a nosh before I talk more about this woman's crushed skull i mashed a headstone into a woman guy's got a cheeseburger around here i mean what doesn't that make you hungry it's wow he's got a vending machine there's something i can get um one of the detectives said he was very cooperative he admitted that he was in the cemetery with another male he admitted hitting the girl well that's pretty much all you need at that point because she's dead he said that he drank beer and played video games with his friend that's junior in pawtucket and that evening after he consumed about three to four 40 ounces jesus christ uh he said that he and another teenager split it was they split 640 so
Starting point is 00:40:09 who knows this is what it was he said we were trashed that was his i would say so he said also he tells the detective that he tried cocaine for the first time that night oh and he said his whole body was numb okay yeah that's about right and he said he accompanied derrick brown to west avenue where they met up with sherry roy who they said was trying to find drugs she was like who's got fucking coke right so now he said that he admits that he's a drug dealer but he also said he never tried cocaine before. He's been selling it, but he never gave it a whirl until tonight. Don't believe you there. You're a liar.
Starting point is 00:40:49 So he said he agreed to provide her with drugs in exchange for sex. That's the transaction. So, yeah, except secretly Kryla and Brown here, Brad and Derek, got together and agreed with each other. They made a plan that they're like, we'll let her do, you know, we'll let all the fucking happen. But then we're going to bounce and not give her shit. We're going to stiff her on the drugs. That was their plan to stiff this lady. So which is which is fucked up.
Starting point is 00:41:18 I'm sorry. Super fucked up. On any level. I don't care if it's like you're buying a two million dollar house and something was an escrow and you did a shitty deal or whether you go let's not let's let this lady suck our dicks and then not give her the crack it's just scummy be a person of your word don't go into a strip club and get lap dances and then argue that you got five songs and not six that's what i mean pay and let the woman go for christ's sake be happy that service is available to you it's amazing should be thanking your lucky stars you fucking misformed
Starting point is 00:41:53 skull-headed asshole so they walked into the cemetery to do this um at some point here brad has sexual relations of some kind. I guess, I think, you know, regular sex here with her. Brown suggested to Brad that it's not good enough to just walk away and not give her the drugs. We should kill her as well.
Starting point is 00:42:19 What? And this is what Brad's telling the cops. And Brad said, yeah, you're right. He agreed. So he's telling the cops that he agreed. He said that he and Derek feared that Sherry would report this to other people, not to the cops. Word would get around the neighborhood that they'll stiff a prostitute for crack. And we can't let that get out. Our whole rep will be ruined at that point.
Starting point is 00:42:44 We pay our bills. This is crazy. Yeah, we don't want to get out. Our whole rep will be ruined at that point. We pay our bills. This is crazy. Yeah, we don't want to get a bad reputation. Our street cred rating is going to go down. Yeah, that's the street credit rating. It's not even street FICO. Yeah, it's not street cred. It's actual street credit.
Starting point is 00:43:00 So according to Kryla, he said, Derek Brown through the first punch. And then Brad jumped in and started kicking Sherry. He said, soon Sherry's face was covered in blood and she was coughing and moaning on the ground. And he said, in the course of all this, he picked up a stick.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Brad did what he called or what they later called a substantial stick, a good size one stick. It's a fucking log. It's a fucking log. It's a branch, a large branch, and used it to bash her in the face. Wow. Jesus Christ. That is, I guess they said that she repeatedly kept trying to get back up again. She kept fucking, that's a tough lady.
Starting point is 00:43:41 I mean, think about it. That's a New England broad. Yeah, they are tough as shit. A New England street crackhead plastic dude? Yeah. She's tough, man. That's a tough lady. I mean, think about it. That's a New England broad. Yeah, they are tough as shit. A New England street crackhead plastic dude? Yeah. She's tough, man. That's a tough lady. She's on the street a lot.
Starting point is 00:43:50 She's taken this before, and she's willing. She's about to deliver her blows next. Yeah, that's what I mean. She's tough. And so they said she was really tough. But each time, she'd get beaten down more by sticks and feet and fists. Brad said, quote, she's not fighting us she's just fighting to live i guess that was what they said they said was she like taking was she trying to attack you
Starting point is 00:44:12 back was she scratching at you and he said no she was just trying to get away from them trying to crawl away to not die because their scumbags are beating her so it was fucking terrible so um they said that they were they were in disbelief and really frustrated that she was still alive they're like what the fuck she won't die so at that point brad said that derrick brown picked up the 78 and a half pound it wasn't 77 78 and a half pound tombstone and dropped it onto her head. Call it 80. It doesn't matter. It's it's a lot. It's disgusting. Wow. So I guess he said that he had trouble running after her while he was carrying the headstone. Even if it's very heavy. And they said that, yeah, he hit her with with the tombstone, left the tombstone lying over her face as well. Smashed her with it and left it on top of her.
Starting point is 00:45:09 And then they ran from the cemetery covered in blood like idiots. Now, Derek Brown, he said that Bradley administered the beating while he stood back and watched. What's more believable? We both did it equally or i stood back and watched while this guy did it so yeah yeah he said that the only reason why he's here he said that he heard that that cryla was being questioned by the police and he didn't want cryla to turn on him and say that he did everything so he'd come in and he's going to implicate cryla yeah that's how we're doing him to say i did everything so i'm here to say he did everything. That's it. He did it all.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Making it even more believable. Yeah. That's how it is. He did everything. He said that Kryla had consumed a lot of alcohol and a lot of drugs and that Kryla was in his own world that night. And he said that Derek Brown basically is like not even like there in his diversion he's just like this he's like a like a surveillance camera that's floating near them fly on the wall he's a drone that watched the whole thing happen just to fly on the wall his eye in the sky that's all he
Starting point is 00:46:17 is I'm the security guard that watched from CCTV and did nothing yeah he's such a nice guy too he said that Kryla was the one who spoke to Sherry and that it was Kryla's idea to go to the cemetery. He said he'd never been in the cemetery before because he was, quote, scared of the dark. That's just a scaredy cat. He's just a
Starting point is 00:46:37 scaredy cat. Wait till you see Prison Man. Wow. Scared of the dark. All those monsters you think are in the cemetery? I know where they really are. Let's trade a prostitute crack for sex. I'm scared of the dark. Those two sentences don't go together.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Sorry. We're going to fuck in the cemetery. Yeah. I'm terrified. Terrified. He said he only went there because Brad had told everyone to go in there brad is really in charge obviously for a man with a scrambled noggin he's really man he's leading it like we said about chris benoit the proof is in the pudding brain and uh so he brown said that
Starting point is 00:47:19 he just sat in the cemetery and watched as brad and sherry engaged in sexual intercourse which he stated was consensual he said that he couldn't remember whether he also engaged in sexual intercourse with her he can't a 17 year old can remember every girl that's ever accidentally rubbed on his dick as she walked by are you kidding me are you that's what i mean every every last touching of my penis is logged and locked and locked this is crazy to say that three days ago i can't remember if i had my dick inside somebody at 17 is insane you you remember and you remember that because in a moment of loneliness you're gonna tug to that that's exactly right this is a nut so yeah he said wow he said at that point um after brad and sherry had gotten finished he said they began to argue and that's when it all
Starting point is 00:48:21 started he said he didn't know why he said he didn't know why they were fighting but he did hear um he heard that he heard it mentioned that uh roy asked brad for some kind of drugs like blow or coke or something and at that point that's when brad started beating her up and then picked up a tombstone and began pummeling her with the tombstone. He said he was standing next to Sherry at that time and she reached out for Derek Brown, grabbed onto him and cried, help me, help me.
Starting point is 00:48:54 And he said that he responded by pushing her away. Wow. He said that he recalled that Sherry was covered in blood as when he when he pushed her away and that her blood spilled onto his pants and shirt so that's how he got blood on him was she came to him yeah obviously so he's trying to explain away his shit the other one wasn't smart enough to figure out how to make a lie that's the only reason why this says she bled on
Starting point is 00:49:22 me like like brad pitt and fight club that's how yeah it was just you know i was just on the side and he came to me and pulled himself up tripped me down and bled all over my face yeah it goes according to brown sherry was trying to run but couldn't get away and he said that he wasn't even there for the end of the beating derrick said he said i had decided to leave while brad was still beating sherry he said as he was leaving he heard Brad yell to him and then they left together and he said when they left he said Sherry was quote just lying there shaking oh Jesus horrifying so they're both get fucking arrested obviously yeah yeah on charges that they raped and killed a woman that's what
Starting point is 00:50:05 their charges are good charges yeah yeah i mean bad ones but that's the right ones yeah yeah yeah seriously so they said they would uh they're gonna have they're they're in juvenile the juvenile court but they're gonna try to transfer them to the adult court because they're 17 but i'm sorry if you're trading fucking blow for sex and then you're 35 that's what i mean you're 42 you have an ankle bracelet on from fucking being in jail a while back you are five years behind in child support i don't want to hear it you yeah you've fucked your life away for sure if you have yeah you're an adult friend that you're yeah if you had a job, your wages would be garnished right now. And you know it, for lack of child support.
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Starting point is 00:53:25 You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So the police said that, you know, they've been trying to rid the area of drugs and crime, but it hasn't happened, obviously. So they're wondering what the fuck the motive was here, like, because they probably could have just got away from this lady. You know, there's there's 17. The one detective said there was really no clear cut motive, just said. And neither of these kids have ever been in serious trouble before either.
Starting point is 00:54:01 This isn't like, you know, they've never tried to kill anyone before. So so this is a weird first crime but they've been tiptoeing down this lane for quite some time yeah yeah being involved in the drug industry under underground like that for so long you don't like you don't start selling drugs today and then tomorrow offer a prostitute crack for a blowjob you know no no you know i mean you've been doing this a while that's down the road yeah this isn't like a you know somebody owed the money so they attack this is like this is insane this is just this is just exactly it's just dirty and gross so um his lawyer kryla's lawyer is going to argue that he should get bail saying that his client was really intoxicated at the time okay so there was no premeditation so it's at best you know it's at
Starting point is 00:54:46 best second degree or even lower maybe maybe manslaughter so we should we should do that um why not now the attorney general here said that kryla was a bail risk saying that several years ago his mother filed a complaint with the pawtucket police saying her son had threatened to kill her but she later withdrew the complaint. So they're like, you know, threatened to kill mom, dropped a tombstone on someone's head. Let's just hang on to this guy for a while. What do you say? He threatened it and now he's done it.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Yeah. Let's maybe do that. He said that the police, though, they said that his detailed statements to police suggest that he was not so intoxicated that he lost all use of his faculties because he remembered everything. So he wasn't blackout, blackout, drunk or blacked out, whatever the fuck. His evaluation here, they send him to a place to get evaluated to find out if he's able to stand trial. They find out that he suffers from ADHD, which we figured he has several cognitive disorders, which, again, we knew about alcohol, marijuana and cocaine dependence. So he definitely wasn't his first time doing it that night. Right. And also brain damage and migraines that exacerbate all of his problems.
Starting point is 00:56:01 They said one doctor said, quote, his condition makes him like a very fast race car that has no brakes in it. Which seems dangerous. They said the cognitive disorder impairs his speech, critical thinking, and decision making. But they say, we're still going to hang on to him and charge him with murder.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Don't care. So his whole defense is he's too dumb to do this. Just too stupid to plan anything. I could never his whole defense is he's too dumb to do this. Just too stupid to plan anything. I could never figure this out. He's too stupid to premeditate anything, they said. They said he has diminished capacity, which is a specific legal terminology in Rhode Island for this. He's too diminished to be able to plan anything at all.
Starting point is 00:56:45 Yes. He couldn't plan his Taco Bell order on his way up to the drive-thru, is what they're saying. Like, he's not capable. If he eats lunch, he's lucky that he ate. Yeah, he didn't plan to eat it. It was spontaneous. I'm hungry, and he grabbed a sandwich.
Starting point is 00:56:58 He didn't leave the house going, I'm going to go to Subway, and I'm going to get a turkey sandwich. All right. He's A to B. Once you add C to the thing, anything could happen. Gravestones are dropped on people's heads. So the trial here for Kryla, it's for first degree murder. He's got a jury of 10 women and four men, a couple alternates there.
Starting point is 00:57:17 Sure. And he was being held at the at the juvenile facility. But then they moved him to the adult facility because they're both going to be charged as adults. Like we said now for diminished capacity, they're trying to say they're not arguing that he's innocent, but they're seeking a manslaughter conviction saying he had diminished capacity that prevented him from forming the intent to kill that defines murder.
Starting point is 00:57:39 They said his mental disorder combined with 80 to 120 ounces of malt liquor, two or three, quote, marijuana blunts, and between a half a gram and a gram of cocaine, all of which he claims to have consumed. And there is proof that he did consume this. Other people back it up. On August 23rd, could trigger a complete loss of control. They said he's incapable. 23rd could trigger a complete loss of control. And I said, he's incapable.
Starting point is 00:58:08 The standard for diminished capacity in Rhode Island is that mental impairment was such to quote, completely paralyzed the will of the defendant to take him, uh, to take from him the power to withstand evil impulses and render his mind incapable of forming any sane design. Ranting, raving, drooling, snarling lunatic is what that describes.
Starting point is 00:58:27 All because he had, I mean, apart from the booze, a right up the middle amount of something. Yeah, I've seen people way more fucked up than that. Yeah, that's a pretty good night of intoxication. But the night that we did the 420 live show, I mean, I consume more than that than i mean minus the coke but i certainly put more of the coke evens out the booze that's the other thing right that shouldn't sober you up a little bit that's what i'm saying that's why
Starting point is 00:58:55 people do coke and drink because you can do you can i was more like a gas and a clutch you can yeah jimmy was way more you should have seen him eat a sandwich it was hilarious way more fucked up i couldn't eat a sandwich. It was hilarious. Way more fucked up. I couldn't eat a sandwich and watch a TV show at the same time, though. So I don't know how this guy was able to figure out how to score a blowjob and then murder after it. Wheel and deal. Have sex. Have sex also.
Starting point is 00:59:20 His dick worked. Everything was fine there. Now, the psychologists that they have say he has damage to the part of his brain that governs decision making and suffered from severe migraine headaches since he was four. They do say his IQ for Kryla is 105, which is decent. That's not bad. That's average. Yeah. So they're like, that's not bad at all.
Starting point is 00:59:38 They said so he is hampered by the ADHD, though, and everything. But that's weird, though. Yeah, he can't do a lot of things but he's also got a decent iq they said he can't concentrate or process information or make decisions like ordinary people he can't stop that he can't stop acting impulsively or think about what he's doing to stop and think about it um so he they you know they say all of that. That's their defense here. So now they said that Kryla told the cop that he would talk about having sex and that when he saw how badly they had injured Sherry Roy, he knew they would have to kill her at that point. When she stopped moving, Kryla told the detective that he couldn't bear to touch her.
Starting point is 01:00:29 And the prosecutor says, well, that indicates that he knew something wrong happened. In my opinion, his will was not completely paralyzed. He was not completely unable of forming any sane design. Which, yeah, that sounds like he's putting two and two together. Yeah, it feels like he's got regret. That's what it is. Now, in a closing statement, the prosecutor said that they don't accept his excuse for a gruesome crime. The defense said there is no excuse. They said that it's not an excuse.
Starting point is 01:00:58 It's a, you know, he's got problems. It's an explanation. It's an explanation. And the prosecutor said there's no excuse. Tell him I don't accept your excuse. As the people of the state of Rhode Island, we don't accept his excuse. That was first degree murder. So the verdict, four and a half hours of deliberation. And they were just trying to figure out whether it was murder or manslaughter here.
Starting point is 01:01:20 And they find him guilty of first degree murder. Yeah. First degree murder yeah first degree murder yes um during sentencing they had sherry roy's family because her family still you know she wasn't like estranged or anything like that she's got people around so people were saying that uh one one of their her family members said that and this i don't like when they do this but she said that violence is so rampant among teenagers that only the harshest punishment for offenders can keep ever younger people from committing increasingly brutal crimes if you grew up in the fucking if you were a teenager in the 90s like we were it was like target number one you guys fuck you if they shoplift you have to put them in prison for five years so they don't have to shoplift.
Starting point is 01:02:06 It was crazy. You got to make an example of them so that their friends know what's coming for them when they fuck up. Yeah, and that didn't work. And so we figured that out. So then, but they did speak of how her daughters are growing up without a mother now. And this is all legitimate stuff here. They said, when Bradley Kryla took Sherry's life, he murdered the souls of her two children. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Yeah. They said she destroyed the whole family. Her sister said, Mr. Kryla, when you flirt with the devil, you dance in hell. Wow. Holy. Is that a Johnny Cash lyric? It's certainly a lyric from something, right? I think it is.
Starting point is 01:02:42 I think it is. She whipped that right out. True justice will be when Bradley Kryla meets his maker. My goodness. OK. So they say you, sir, may fuck off life in prison. But the prosecutors did not request life without parole because this happened when he was under 18 and there'd be an appealable issue at that point. So he may begin to apply for parole
Starting point is 01:03:05 after 15 years so it's a 15 year minimum here now derrick brown he comes in and uh they have all of the witnesses that they had in the trial it's the same people uh it's a severed trial but same people giselle testifies saying that they came over. She washed blood off his heels, shoelaces, and soles of his sneakers in her bathtub, then asked her what happened. He responded by telling her, quote, he thinks he killed a woman. That's what he told Giselle, his friend's girlfriend there. He told hot-ass Giselle that? Told Giselle that shit. That is wild.
Starting point is 01:03:43 So they also tried to attack the validity of the fingerprints. That's part of the defense. But there's so many people saying he was covered in blood. It's really hard to deny any of this shit. They also said that someone had a phone conversation with him later on, and he told them that he had to lay low after what happened in the cemetery. So that's not great. Idiot. That's not not gonna work out well um giselle is like the star witness though because she washed the blood off and he told her about the you know about the blood uh she also mentions that
Starting point is 01:04:17 kryla asked her to clean his green sweatpants and sneakers and browns as well hey take all our bloody shit and clean it she is so down you got to be like you know in the mafia for years and have like a big house and a couple of cadillacs to go home and tell your wife to wash the blood out of your clothes that's insane she's an actual angel yeah carmela soprano will wash the blood out of your clothes because you know yeah because she likes this house she likes this house and hasn't she just ordered new furniture but doesn't mind the ducks in the pool yeah this is bullshit this is nothing uh she also said that when they were all in the police station together remember i said they all took them into the police station together while they were waiting to go in brown looked over to giselle and said don't say
Starting point is 01:04:59 nothing or i'll kill you. Yeah. Wow. She said that police told her to not worry about that because he's getting locked up. So he's not killing anybody. Yeah. So there we go. That's how that worked. Now they bring in the medical evidence as well. All these blown up photographs of the body and the face.
Starting point is 01:05:22 And that looks terrible. That's hard i mean if you're a jury and you have to look at a crushed skull and a mashed face like that it's uh it's a lot that's yeah he does say though brown had called the police station the day after the body was discovered and he identified himself and told the detective that he had seen two men going into the cemetery with a woman not me but two other men there were some people and uh that night as she was walking home the next day brown came to the police station and asked to speak with him he added a bit to the story saying the two men had chased him to the division street bridge and
Starting point is 01:06:01 threatened him as well oh and then they were like well your friends in there telling us exactly what happened and then he was like oh yeah yeah he did all that shit not me i watched so that's pretty fucking wild here um so uh another person said also they heard on the street uh cryless say to brown come on derrick let's go rob her. So that part was rob her. But they're getting sex. So this premeditated as fuck, man. Yeah. And in the closing, his lawyer said he just watched Brad Kryla go crazy. There was blood everywhere.
Starting point is 01:06:38 It upset him enough to call the police. I suggest to you that no action Derek Brown took that night justifies convicting him of murder. Okay. Really? The attorney general said, are you fucking kidding me? Quote, the beating occurred over time and over an extended place, and that's important. The beating site covered 103 feet. Wow.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Because they kept beating her and she was crawling away for that far. Oh, my God. Yeah. So they're like, come on. They said the struggles were a mess. wow because they kept beating her and she was crawling away for that far oh my god yeah so they're like come on they said the struggles were a mess there's blood like actual you can tell where she's been beaten many spots in this time too so they're like come on this is crazy um yeah he said uh all hell is breaking loose in that cemetery and she's running and fighting for her life and then looks at brown and says she's trying to get out of there and what or who is preventing it these fucking idiots basically yeah yeah yep and uh they said by the way they're both even if everything he said in the police interview is true they're both equally guilty it doesn't matter he said it makes no
Starting point is 01:07:40 difference who inflicted the injury they're both both involved in this. Neither stops the other. That's right. So this verdict comes in. Three men, nine women on the jury and they find him guilty. Obviously he's going to be found guilty of first degree murder again. Yes. Yeah. You sir may fuck off. Life in
Starting point is 01:07:59 prison for you as well. Again the prosecutors do not request life without parole and um there so they could have him too yeah but they didn't so he can apply after 15 uh sherry's sherry's dad alfred said it makes me feel somewhat better that he's going to get something truth and sentencing is what they need or capital punishment so there you go they said that um you know her parents said yes she had drug problems she's been involved in prostitution but obviously she said they said she was a good woman and a dearly loved daughter and uh the mother to two little girls and they said they're raising the
Starting point is 01:08:35 girls now yeah that's unbelievable that's wild so september 22nd 2010 derrick browns released on parole what yeah released on parole oh my god that's that seems fast um wow uh the terms of his parole prohibit him from leaving rhode island without his parole officer's permission and restrict him from drinking intoxicating beverages or using any drugs, obviously. So, January 7th, 2011. Scant months later, he's driving on I-95 westbound near the Mill Street overpass when he lost control of his vehicle. No. What? Responding state troopers found the heavily damaged car on its roof with a young woman sitting outside the car, bleeding from her ears mouth and head oh my god they arrested brown as he ran from the scene eyes were bloodshot speech slurred when he
Starting point is 01:09:33 told a trooper he was trying to get help for his girlfriend he also did not cooperate with the authorities in any way wouldn't take a breathalyzer um at the time by the way he's wearing a fucking ankle bracelet. Yeah. Fucking GPS. I mean, come on, dude. You're not getting away. Where are you running from?
Starting point is 01:09:50 Background check as they look at his bracelet and they go, let's find out what he's on for. So they found out he was on lifetime parole after just being released from state prison on murder charges. So he almost killed another woman. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's bleeding from multiple orifice so they said that he is charged with operating a motor vehicle under the influence leaving the scene of a personal injury failing to stop for police and refusing to identify himself with
Starting point is 01:10:16 police you sir may fuck off two and a half years in the dartmouth house of corrections he must serve one year but after he's released from there, he will be sent to the parole board and then they get to do whatever they want from there. And then they can impose more sentence if they feel like it. So June of 2011, Brad Kryla graduates from college
Starting point is 01:10:37 in prison. Unbelievable. He said, I'm the only person in my family that graduated college. I want to give back to the youth because I came in as a kid at 17. I want to teach them to stay away from doing the things that will get them into trouble like alcohol and drugs. You're a great role model. And murder is the main one there. Are you also the only one in your family who's been convicted of murder?
Starting point is 01:10:59 I'm the only one who got my prison degree while I was convicted of murder. Wow. May 2012, Brad gets early release as well. Oh, my God. And then he moved to Florida. Really? Which makes sense, honestly. So he had to apply for it, and they let him.
Starting point is 01:11:17 And, yeah, they said, quote, I don't think Floridians would find it amusing that we let murderers out after only 13 years. Well, 2022, Brad is arrested here. I found a good one for him. This is recently May of 2022. He's arrested. He is arrested for retail theft, two counts, and also being an out-of-state fugitive while doing that, which is also not allowed. So, yeah, he's going to have to deal with that in court, and that,
Starting point is 01:11:46 everybody, is Pawtucket, Rhode Island. I hope Derek's back in prison, man. He's going to, because, again, now the parole board, they have lifetime parole, so anytime they want, if they get in trouble, the parole board can go, well, here's another five years, and throw him back in. Wow.
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