Small Town Murder - #457 - The Kinky Killer - Penfield, New York

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

This week, in Penfield, New York, an odd marriage, seems wholesome, but degrades into affairs, finger pointing & parties with escorts. When the wife has finally had it with her husband's cocaine & hired ladies, she decides to have an affair of her own, resulting in much jealously. This leads to a horrible, blood soaked murder scene, and a shocking twist to who actually did the deed!Along the way, we find out that western New York loves chili & beer, that going to church won't make you less horny, and that escorts * crack heads make poor murder conspirators!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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sale but they're going on sale this month so at the end of the month so get in there for that disclaimer this is a comedy show it is we're comedians we are but this is all real murder that's the thing this isn't made up to be funny or we don't embellish anything or anything like that that would be weird you don't have to because anything or anything like that. That would be weird. You don't have to because you just tell a crazy story. There's plenty of jokes to be made and they don't revolve around the actual murder. There's nothing funny about, oh, and then he cut her head off. Oh, well, that's hilarious.

That's not funny. Nothing funny about that. But the funny thing is when someone goes, hey, I know I can get away with this if I put this head in my freezer for the next six months. That's not a good idea. And we can make fun of somebody for that. See what I mean? There's where jokes come from. That's what I'm saying. So what we do, though, and we go out of our way not to do is we do not make fun of the

victims or the victims families. Why is that, James? Because we're assholes. But but we're not scumbags. That's how that works. So if that sounds good to you deal your deal that sounds good to you we're gonna hear a wild story if you think true crime and comedy should never ever ever go together i don't know no complaining later if you're gonna listen

anyway we warned you so that said yeah i think it's time everybody to sit back what do you say let's all clear the lungs sure and the throats and everything else arms to the sky and let's all clear the lungs and the throats and everything else. Arms to the sky and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's do it. We're going all the way to Penfield, New York.

Yeah. Yeah. You know where that is? Nope. Nope. I didn't either. It's in northwestern New York. Yeah. Yeah. You know where that is? Nope. Nope. I didn't either. It's in northwestern New York is why you don't know. You come to my house, it's like seven hours away in a car.

It's really far. It's super far. It's farther than your house to LA or San Diego or something. It's far. Yeah, it's out there. It's about three hours and 20 minutes to Albany. So that's all the way across the state. Only 15 minutes outside of Rochester.

So this is a Western New York. We have a lot of listeners out there that have been requesting, give us Western New York live show dates or goddamn show subjects or something. How about this? So here you go, everybody. And it's about six hours to Manhattan, so that tells you. It's a long drive. That's a distance, yeah.

Yeah, and about three hours and 40 minutes to Liberty, New York, which was our last episode, I just needed to see blood, which was disturbing, if I remember correctly. This is in Monroe County, area code 585. The motto of this town, here it is, a town of planned progress. Oh, yeah. We're planning it. I don't know what that means. I don't know.

Sometimes surprise progress is better. I don't know what that means. I don't know. Sometimes surprise progress is better. I don't know how you can plan progress. It's just how things happen. Plan progress is never as fucking right now as surprise progress. Yeah. They're planning something. It takes way too long. Let's find out what their plans were with a little history here.

The town now, this was originally the hunting grounds of the Seneca Nation here. That's originally, yeah. They hunted here. But didn't have settlements here. Just this was hunting grounds here. The town includes a place that right still now is called Indian Landing. And from this landing on the shores of the bay here, there's trails and water routes that went through the region and all over the place, including a water route with only two portages leading from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico. So, yeah, you can get from here, from the water, you can get anywhere, which is kind of neat.

Yeah, it's kind of cool. After the American Revolutionary revolutionary war the land that became penfield here was included in the phelps and gorman purchase oh yeah oh i don't think i've ever heard of that who the fuck are gorham it's not even gorman it's gorm oh it's gora has heard of that unless they live here and phelps and gorm purchase yeah well louisiana overshadowed you a little bit yeah so and it was around the same time too so you're not going to get any credit if you're if you're going i imagine two-thirds of the land or this if phelps and gorham pulled their money i don't think they bought as much land as

the fucking government especially because they called these two towns, the Phelps Town and the Gorham Town, Townships 13 and 14 of Range 4. Perfect. Of Range 4. Map coordinates? So give the latitude. It'd be easier. Like, that's so weird. And then Daniel Penfield bought all of this, bought everything.

Okay. So they named it Penfield. Yeah. Daniel Penfield said Townships 13 and 14 of range four just doesn't have the ring to it. Sure doesn't. But I can't plan any progress around that. So you know what? We're calling it Penfield, which is probably a good move.

Famous people from here. There was only one that I could find. The wrestler China, Joni Lohr. Is that right? Yeah. She is from here. Yes. From Penfield?

From Penfield. Absolutely. I don't know if she Is that right? Yeah, she is from here. Yes. From Penfield? From Penfield. Absolutely. I don't know if she's buried there, too, but she's from there. So reviews. No, that was terrible. Reviews of this town. Let's find out here what people think, because we've never been there. We didn't even know it existed before we were doing this episode.

Here's five stars. Penfield, New York is a wonderful town. That's nice to hear. The people are very friendly and helpful. It is a Mayberry that we all want in our heart. A Mayberry we all want in our heart. I guess like a Norman Rockwell type situation. In our heart.

In our heart. Growing up in Penfield is peaceful. A town where it is still okay to run in yards, fly kites, and in the dark catch fireflies. You can do that just about lots of places yeah i mean you can it's still okay i don't think are most people getting killed flying kites is that how this works is that how crime kites i think most places yeah there's no kite flying we've we can't do that anymore the strings do get caught up in my in our drones yeah that's true and running in yards come on no

that seems dangerous somebody could fall where's your helmet safety being a concern to all these days well in penfield you can take a breath and just breathe in the safe warm friendly air that surrounds it okay except in the winter when it's eight below zero and then it's not so friendly and warm the hell that's western new york calm down three four feet of snow and four feet of snow three stars only crime is teenagers being teens that's it that's their whole review that's illegal there that's just teenagers you don't get to be a teenager here yeah no kite flying is illegal past 13 still they arrest you at 13 and let you loose at 20 so you're on probation till you're 20 that's how it works they put you on a monitor a little ankle bracelet three stars it is truly a nice area but i feel trapped sometimes

like everyone is drawn to the suburbs no matter how far away you try to get you always seem to come back geez this person's getting philosophical. No matter where you go, there you are. Take it easy, Mr. Brady. Because the suburbs are in your heart, I guess. Yeah, it's a Mayberry in your heart. Finally. People are always trying to get out of this big metropolis to the suburbs.

Is that what they're saying? No, she's saying I think once you start in the suburbs, even if you go other places, you end up back there because you just get drawn back. It's too much. Here's two stars, finally. Penfield is above all a mediocre town. There we go. There we go. Really, it's nothing more than a place to live.

What the fuck else do you want? And then you can go somewhere else for pretty much everything beyond basic shopping. Oh, got it. Okay, yeah. Well, there's, you can go on the internet. There's lots of places. You got Rochester right there. Tons of shit goes to Rochester.

It's 15 minutes away. Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on in Rochester. There are really no great parks in the town, and there are no great restaurants, and the schools are dead average. Dead average. Dead average. Not even dead ass average. Just dead.

It used to be you lived here because houses were relatively inexpensive, and it was a short commute to anywhere. Dot, dot, dot. The commute got busier, and the houses have gotten much more expensive. Okay. So now it's just a forgettable town that is a stopover to somewhere better. Don't bother. You'll be disappointed. Don't you dare bother. Don't't bother you'll be disappointed don't you dare

bother don't bother you'll be disappointed oh okay never mind then i had a i was had my real estate agent looking for houses there i guess never mind people in this town 39,074 oh it's a yeah there's a big town outside of rochester rochester is actually a big place i think it's the third largest city in New York. Rochester. I'll bet it is. If I'm not mistaken. So it's pretty big. The male, female, way more females than males here.

Almost 53% female, which is well above average. Median age, a little bit older. It's about 45.7, older than the national average. Almost 62% of the people here are married. It's kind of a suburban. When we show you the house that's in question this week, yeah, it's very much like that. Not a lot of people single with children. Not a lot of divorce.

People are staying together here. Race of this town, it's 88.3% white, 2.6% black, 3.1% Asianian 4.4 percent hispanic so that's how that breaks down religion 46 of the people here are religious um spread around pretty decent but not really because the catholics of course are going to take this 26.1 catholics as we know catholics are the baptists of the north yeah Just going to be found anywhere. 1.4% Jewish. Hey! Oh, my goodness. Here we go.

Hava. Nagila. Hava. Nagila. Hava. Nagila. I don't know the words. Hey!

Hey! There you go. That's been a while. We haven't had a 1% in a long time. Monroe County last election, 59.3 percent of the people voted democrat 38.2 percent republican and 2.5 percent independent and um the unemployment rate here is about average household income here though is high median household income here is 101 250 a year which is well above the national average. What are they doing?

They're doing well out here. It seems like if you can afford to, you get married and have kids, and if you can afford to move here, you do, rather than in Rochester, but you still work. I don't know. Cost of living here, $100,000 is average. Here it's $88,000. Hell yeah. Pretty low.

Housing, median home cost, $317,700, so slightly below the national average. Not bad. If you make $100,000 a year, you can afford a $300,000 house. And maybe you're looking for one. And if you are, we have for you the Penfield, New York, real estate report. report average two-bedroom rental here goes for twelve hundred seventy dollars which is slightly above the national average all right here's some houses not a lot available in this town yeah there's only like a lot of them are like not built yet the rochester buffalo area has been kind of swelling lately.

Growing, huh? It's been growing. They've been building a lot. Josh Allen. Yeah, that's all it is. The bills have been half decent, so why not? Bam. Everybody's moving there.

Here is, you just want to pitch a tent. Here's a 2.17 acre lot. Oh. It's a field with a bunch of woods, so, I mean, you're going to have to definitely do some flattening if you want to build anything or something like that. But it's only $99,000. $99,900. 2.17

acres. That's fantastic. I guess it's good. Yeah, in this area, though, I feel like if you go a little bit further out, you can get a lot more for cheaper. One acre in Phoenix metro area is around a quarter of a million dollars just for the land the lots there too one acre you make fucking four or five lots out of that you know those are people those are big lots people are buying the lot and just

building a house right in the fucking center of it interesting interesting so uh here's a three bedroom 1.5 bathroom 1651 square foot house,651-square-foot house. So kind of your family home here, you know? It's on a 0.4-acre lot, so it's not a big place. It's a basic, decent little house. It's worn a bit. It looks lived in. You kind of want to do a sprucing.

The carpets are worn out. You can see where the couches were and shit like that. The 2005 kitchen. Like, absolute 2005 kitchen. $289,900. That's doable. It's doable. It's a little pricey, I think, for what you have to do inside.

You have to work to do, but yeah. And here's a four-bedroom, three-bath, 3,529-square-foot house. It's a big, nice brick house. All you can say about it. There's nothing else to say about it. It doesn't have much character, really, or anything to really speak of, but it's a big, nice brick house.

Yeah, big brick house. It's $650,000 for that, though. So you're going to pay for it. You bet. It's a little getting pricey up there things to do here okay this is a weird title the penfield music festival and food truck rodeo that's a lot that's like wow when you say food truck rodeo by the way i picture a rodeo arena with a bunch of trucks doing like demolition derby style shit bunch of food

trucks tacos flying out of windows and shit that's what i picture churros on the ground pulled pork sandwiches spread throughout all these food trucks always pulled pork and tacos smashes into the churro truck i feel like a truck is the preferred method of selling pulled pork for some reason in the modern day. It has a different flavor with the diesel exhaust. You taste the fumes. You taste that. It's a potpourri, really.

It's like having a glass of wine with a nice steak or something. It's the same thing. Diesel in your throat enhances it. It's nice. Real nice. So the food truck windows open at 4 o'clock. Okay. Music featuring.

Oh, boy. Here we go. The Penfield Central School District Music Group. That's not the one I thought. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Kids singing choirs and shit. Is that it?

That's the music. Ha, ha. Why say music if it's just children? That the one that's for that is wild man um but it is free okay because you're allowed you're allowed to buy food and hear eighth graders sing which really even the kids parents don't want to do that when they have constant no one wants to hear that the kids aren't good yet not even if your kid's good the rest of the kids' parents don't want to do that when they have const. No one wants to hear that. The kids aren't good yet. Even if your kid's good, the rest of the kids suck. It's not good.

We haven't weeded out the talentless yet. It's still just anybody who feels like it. It's just random children screaming words at us. It's not a tryout. Oh, you're walking tacos. This is no good. Not a good thing. My pulled pork tastes worse now. Diesel fumes help it, but then this music hurts it.

Jesus. My pulled pork tastes worse now. Diesel fumes help it, but then this music hurts it. Jesus. Why mention music if you've got non-professionals? That's what I mean. There's music, exclamation point, featuring the Penfield Central School District music groups. Central School District. Amazing. School children.

Next up is Tastin tasting tasting the blues oh okay that's at the penfield amphitheater music by steve grills and the roadmasters featuring benny turner no now i wasn't gonna go because i was like i've seen steve grills and the roadmasters obviously we all have hundreds of times. But if they're going to feature Benny Turner in there, oh, baby. Jimmy, pack it up. Just Benny? Great. Pack it up.

Put the fucking luggage on top of the car, and let's all head there like some 1930s Dust Bowl Okies. Let's get out there. Put your grandma on the roof, and let's fucking go. The Roadmasters has to be a ripoff of something else right it's not sure because they're a road map i think there is a road masters that are with somebody probably that sounds right i don't know why that's ringing in my head but i feel like i know who the road map seems like it would probably be that way uh that's not the main event though

the main event is the chili contest and judging. Yes. Chili judging guidelines. There will be two separate categories for judging, a people's choice and a judged categories. $100 cash, it says here. Stevie Fielding is going to absolutely sign up. I need $100 cash. $100. $100 cash. $100. $100 cash.

Chili contest rules. Chili may be made with beans and or meatless. So they're not going to debate about that. You make what you want. Chili entries must display a list of main ingredients at the tasting table. Chili must be served from food grade equipment. Transported chili must be at least 41 degrees or colder or 140 degrees or

warmer. So keep it hot or keep it cold but keep that bacteria away. The fact that they have to say food grade means somebody showed up with it in like an igloo cooler or something. Someone showed up with a half gallon of milk with a fucking with a fucking milk container full of chili.

Not a plastic one either. Yeah. A carton. And they're pouring cups of it. I find it the best way to pour. No, you're not allowed to do it. I washed it. Somebody's got a Yeti cooler full of chili and they've got a sawed open

Budweiser can that they're serving with. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Chili must maintain a minimum of 140 degrees as well. Provided by tasting the blues, you get a table, a tent area with an electric hookup, two-ounce portion cups for the people's choice judging, and a wiping cloth and sanitized solution. So you're going to do that. Also, Historic Preservation Day, which is just nothing.

You show up and look at the old buildings, literally. And there's music from the loose monkeys that day, which at least they're not the school children. I'll give it that. Anything's looking good right now. And they also have chili there as well. They do chili up here, evidently. They like chili and beer and shit up there.

It's cold. These are a drinking people, western New York. You go to a bar in Buffalo. They want booze and something hearty in their stomach. Oh, yeah, they do. They're cool people, too, up there. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in. Property crime, about one-third beneath the national average.

So a little bit low. Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime. That's the important thing here. Only half the national average. Really? Very safe. So that said, let's talk about some terrible, terrible murder here. This is fucking awful.

All right. Everything about this is bad. Really? The whole thing's a mess. Okay. There's a couple of people we have to credit here first. One is a good three-part series in a newspaper, long pieces in the Democrat and Chronicle by a guy named Michael Ziegler. And then another. Yeah, he did this, all this.

And then another is a book written about the whole disaster called Betrayal and Blood by Michael Benson. So I won't give you the subtitle because it will give away the whole show. Oh, great. It kind of gives it all away. You get a little bit of your title, Mike. Betrayal and Blood is fine if you get that. There's an audio book of it too. So anyway, let's talk about some people here.

Okay. Let's start with Tabitha. Yeah. Okay. Tabitha Marie Bassett. Double S, double T. Bassett. She's born October 8th, 1976. Yeah.

So a little older than us, but not much here. She's born in Iowa, and her parents are Virginia and Carol Leroy Bassett. So those are her parents. She'll go on later on to, yeah, she goes to a little bit of school and everything like that. But let's talk about her family here. Or let's talk about, there's her, Tabitha. She's born, by the way, she's named Tabitha because her mother, Ginny, Virginia, she named Tabitha and her older sister, Samantha.

Yep. Oh, boy, did I love I Dream of Jeannie. No, Bewitched. Yes. That's why she named them. I love both of them. She named them after that. She actually named Samantha.

Boy, would have named them Darren. The baby is Samantha, is Tabitha. The funny thing is she names her T-A-B-A-T-H-A, Tabitha. Oh, Tabitha. The funny thing is she names her T-A-B-A-T-H-A, Tabitha. That's because in, this is only from the book that I know this, but in Bewitched, Elizabeth Montgomery, who played Samantha,

she wanted to name the baby Tabitha. She thought it was a good name. So the writer said, sure, who gives a fuck? We'll name her Tabitha. But it was supposed to be with an I, but at the end credits,

they misspelled it for the first couple seasons with an A. So Ginny took that and said, that's how you spell Tabitha and named her daughter Tabitha. Then Bewitched changed the spelling in the subsequent seasons with an I. I already got a goddamn kid. You guys ruined me. So there you go. Was that the invention of Tabitha the name? No, actually. gotta get so there you go invention of tabitha the name uh no actually i think tabitha is an

older name that just hadn't been in favor for a long time i think it was one of those it's like or something okay i've heard the rumor that uh disney actually invented the name wendy that's possible that was never a name until until peter pan they can fight with dave thomas about it i'm not sure yeah or fight it out god damn it do it up so uh let's talk about another family okay growing up around the same or beforehand but a family that her parents know okay it's kind of friends of the family here the bryants with a T, like Kobe. Vivian Bryant, who's a man, by the way, that is the patriarch of this family, Vivian.

He's the pastor of the parenting congregation of the Reformed Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Okay, Mormon. Mormon, yeah. It's an offshoot of the Mormons, now known as the Community of Christ, by the way. Oh. They were like, that's a little worried. The penitent congregation of the reformed church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a lot. So we're just going community of Christ, COC baby. Now you got like a peppy little, you know what I mean? Your COC, you could put that on a sweater i don't like it college you know what i'm saying yeah it's marketing i feel like that is so uh at a church camping retreat in the mid-1950s

now tabitha by the way we told you was born in 76 so we're going back to her parents here vivian and his wife joyce met carol and essie bassett um. Carol Bassett was the pastor of the denomination's congregation for them. And it's also only ladies' names are allowed to, only men with ladies' names are apparently allowed to run these churches. This is Carol and Vivian. How you doing? Hey, how's it going? I'm Pastor Lauren over there.

He was a bombardier in World War II, and this one was a... They're badasses, believeasses believe it yeah that's what i'm saying um so uh the bassets and bryants became friends they went on vacations together hung out went to each other's houses on the fourth of july and all that kind of bullshit there so uh the bassets knew um if when they needed to go to rochester for business once in a while they would stay at the bryants always have a place to stay there and they would go to their church and they'd go out to dinner and all that kind of thing. Now the Bryant's in 1958, they have a son named Kevin, Kevin C Bryant, and he's got some health problems from the start. He's born with a serious heart condition and this is in the late fifties.

So it's not like, Oh boy. Nowadays they zap that shit up pretty good. Back then, it was like. Yeah, it's wild. He might not make it when we have to do a surgery on a baby. See if it heals, yeah. So he had tons of surgeries in childhood, and because of all these surgeries and different drugs they put him on, and back then, too, they'd give you crazy, these crazy fuck.

They'd be like, here, just eat a bunch of mercury and then you'll be better. Like shit like that. Weird stuff like that would be a treatment for things. They had these weird radiation treatments that were like half the kids got cancer that they used to give them. Instead of like low-dose aspirin? Yeah, it was like for little things. They'd give you these weird radiations that they thought it was like modern treatment at the time. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper.

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to Dorothy Jane Scott? From Wondery, Generation Y is a podcast that covers notable true crime cases like this one and many more. Every week, hosts Aaron and Justin sit down to discuss a new case, covering every angle and theory, walking through the forensic evidence and interviewing those close to the case to try to discover what happened. And with over 450 episodes, there's a case for every true crime listener. Follow the Generation Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. So it ends up stunting his growth, all of this stuff. Yeah, he's got a little heart.

He ends up being 5'2". Oh, you poor little guy, Kevin. Which is rough for a guy, let's just say. That's not great for a dude. No. He was teased a lot about his stature and also because he's a slight little dude, too. He's not like he's he's jacked or anything he's just a little tiny guy yeah bad heart will do that yeah and so people would mess with him a lot in school uh he graduates in 1976 from penfield high school

and all of his friends said he took he took everybody's shit with a grain of salt and let it slide off his back which if you're five foot two and small, you kind of, you kind of have to, you know what I mean? You can't. And when you got a bum dick or you can't be, you can't be all amped up.

That little thing is going to explode if you're not careful. That's the thing. And I'm sure he was kind of used to it too. So he kind of just was able to take it and not let it really not take it into his heart. Anyway, they said his one classmate, Denise, remembers him as, quote, AV boy. What is that?

AV, like the audiovisual. It's audio video? Oh. The audio video. They would push the cart of like. Got it. With the projector and shit like that or the TV when we were kids. I thought it was going to be some sort of made up, made fun of them nickname.

No, no, no. AV boy because he was often seen be some sort of made made up made fun of them nickname no no no av boy because he was often seen pushing the carts of audio visual equipment he's the guy bringing the tv and he's the yeah he's the guy who wheels it in which was always a weird kid usually yeah you know what i mean but also actually i always kind of liked the av kid too he was always a weird kid but i don't know i'm interested in shit like that. So yeah, it was always somebody who was interested in like movies and stuff like that. Cinema. Yeah. Yeah.

Stuff like that. So, uh, she said this about Kevin quote, he was a completely, uh, he was completely the nerd in school, but I have to say that he came off as a confident guy.

He had to fight that stigma about his height. I think internally the kid was so insecure, but outwardly he always seemed to have this little cockiness about him. He's like Tom Cruise, like his little tiny, tiny guy with a little cockiness. With all this swagger. Yeah. Kids could be brutal, and he stood up to them pretty well. So not bad.

Another guy named Peter called Kevin the most mild-mannered kid he ever knew. Peter called Kevin the most mild-mannered kid he ever knew. He volunteered together with Kevin, this guy, on the 72 re-election campaign for President Nixon. Cool. 16-year-olds that are into Nixon? That's weird. On the second term? Yeah.

Yeah. Super into Nixon. That's funny. When you knew about him? At a 16-year-old is the thing. Yeah. Like 16-year-old back then shouldn't have been like, that's just a strange thing. He wasn't into the casualness of the 70s. He would have short hair and all that kind of thing.

He loved the college. He was anti-counterculture is what he was. So, yeah. His friend said, I'm not surprised that he ended up a lawyer because he will end up a lawyer. Really? Yes, absolutely. Now he meets Tabitha, our girl we talked about there. Tabitha Bassett meets her when she's about a little under two years old.

Yeah. And he's and he's 20 at the time. Wait, what? Yeah. And Samantha was three and so they were you know all kind of hanging out together now carol in virginia tabitha's parents split up in 1978 shit and we'll talk about that he was in the army and he went to germany there's a long story here about she ends up um she ends up living with her grandparents samantha and tabitha do and we'll talk about this here um she uh one of her uh relatives said she was a rejected little

girl she never lived with her mother and father long enough to get bonded just because they got divorced or like we cast out the children of this too it's weird yeah like the well they go their separate ways and dad goes to germany and mom goes and does her thing and the kids are just left with grandma wow and that's how it goes here uh they said tabitha's whole personality was pretty much could be defined by a desire to be accepted that's what she just wanted to be accepted um one time her sister samantha said she told me once that she felt abandoned i told her tabitha we're living with grandma and grandpa they're taking good care of us but she never got over it yeah that was her thing so jenny here mom she uh the kids said that she they she told them

they were better off without her at the time okay okay uh now virginia says it wasn't an easy decision this is her quote it was extremely hard filled with a whole lot of nightmares but at the time they were 100 times better off than they would have been if they had been with me they would have been some mixed up kids okay um what was she doing she says this quote my husband went to germany and i was working two jobs at the time i was working at an art store during the day in a restaurant during the weekends Leroy was going to New York to visit his parents and he asked if he could take the girls with him and I said sure Leroy is a guy she was seeing no that's their father that's the father okay Leroy and I were having problems and he didn't bring them back by the time I got up enough money to go to new york and pick them up i found out that new york had a law that you

can't take children out of a house they've been in for longer than six weeks without a court order or something along those lines what the fuck are you talking about even if you are the children's mother what i think that's true no um i was young and dumb i was 19 at the time i believe nope she wasn't 19 she's older than that leroy yeah leroy and i divorced soon after that we just couldn't get along now at the time though not what they samantha says dad and mom brought us to grandma's and mom was going to come back after she got settled in her new home. Dad was going to Germany in the army. Mom told Graham to get custody of us because she was going to be a trucker.

So Graham did. Then she was mad that Graham did. Mom asked us to mom asked to take us to her parents. But Graham wouldn't let her because she didn't know if she would get us back. Graham did not tell her to get a court order if she wanted us. She asked to take us to visit but not to keep. So mom said I was just so busy and they were like, no, you weren't busy. You were just fucking off is what she said. And she's painting a historical picture that doesn't exist either.

That's the other thing. What happened, Virginia? There's a lot of weird stuff with virginia here virginia says you know well i called the kids on the like right the first sunday or first saturday after the first of the month every month she said and i talked to them but the kids said once a month with little kids and the kids said because she said she couldn't afford to call anymore uh but the kids said they got a couple of calls from her but then they stopped completely and she just disappeared so yeah parenting jenny jesus she's they're both of these parents the other one just went to germany and was like i don't fucking know he didn't even call once a

month or for a couple times he just took off yeah they both were like well this is a lot easier without kids you can have the kids in the divorce i don't want them you have them they aren't a fucking end table for christ's sake these are children they just put them out on the curb with a sign that says free on it anyone who comes by with a pickup truck and go ahead and grab them it's fine go stand next to the fridge marked free that's it yeah yeah that in the basement fridge it doesn't quite work right yeah it's only cold enough for maybe sodas if it's really if you're desperate so once the girls move in there they said visits from their parents were very infrequent they basically said you they saw and heard from her as much as like a distant

aunt maybe why that aunt that's not even like one of your parents siblings just like a second cousin that's an aunt it's a part of the family we call aunt. We call aunt, yeah. Samantha said, we saw my mom once when I was in the seventh grade and Tabby was in sixth. She would call every once in a while. She called once a month for a while, but then she didn't. Unbelievable. And she said, Dad, forget about it.

She said, we would see my dad about once every two or three years. He'd visit when he was on leave from the Army. One time it was two years without seeing him about once every two or three years. He'd visit when he was on leave from the Army. One time it was two years without seeing him. Another time it was three years. How do you go five years of your children's life without fucking popping up and saying hello? That's insane. Dude, I go a week and it drives me insane.

That's tough. Yeah, that's not easy. I could never do it. Wow. So, Ginny here. That's tough. Yeah, that's not easy. I could never do it. Wow. So Ginny here, that's mom. She's got no husband. She's got no girls now. I mean, she could go get them, but she doesn't. She has them.

She just doesn't do anything about it. Then in 1980, a breath of fresh air walks into her life. A guy named Cleo Weinbrenner pops in here. Cleo for Ginny. For Ginny. Ginny and Cleo. Yeah. She had to find someone with a name that could be a woman's name as their first name.

Had to. Unbelievable. Have to do it. It's everyone in this family. She says this. This is Ginny. I was living in Kentucky with a girlfriend of mine and he was a bouncer in a bar what is this roadhouse is this the prologue to roadhouse what's happening right

now i fell in love with a bouncer if you met him you would realize how funny that is he stood maybe five feet eight and weighed 140 pounds but he was as you can imagine pretty tough the toughness was mostly in his personality though cleo and i were together for seven years before we got married we got married in 1986 and we're still together when i met cleo i was already pregnant with cyril but i didn't know it okay that's going to be the little the half brother of tabitha and sam now she's pregnant she was pregnant with somebody else's child and had no idea yeah she said i guess i was about two months along when i found out i told cleo that there was something about me he should uh he should know about i would say several things bigger over the

next seven months several different things yeah uh she says i was pregnant i was still married and the baby wasn't my husband since we hadn't been together in a long time. I have a lot of things that are going to shock you right now. I have some stuff. I'm behind a couple months in rent. There's like a whole lot going on here. I'm behind a couple months in rent and periods, and I have two children elsewhere. Yeah. And I can't call out on my home phone.

You can only call in because I haven't paid the bill in a while. Remember that? Anybody who's been there knows that shit. You like oh no you call me yeah no you call you call me do that as a kid that's fun you know exactly what i'm talking about too but jimmy's laugh told me yes, we were equally trashy together. Unbelievable. So Cleo said, so. Oh, what a guy. That was his only response.

So they have little Cyril in 1981 here. And she said Cleo raised him like he was his own. And then when Cyril was about 13 cleo adopted him wow yes 13 fucking years well i guess they wanted it to be his choice they said they were gonna ask that's so nice and 13 they thought was old enough to decide and then he decided he wanted to be adopted and that's what happened look at jenny growing up all the time yeah cleo sounds like a decent cat i think he sure does yeah and uh maybe j Ginny, I mean, who knows? Her life was a little messy.

A lot of people's lives are messy in their 20s. It just sucks when you have two kids that get swept up in your mess. That's why it's better not to have kids when you're 22. Thank God for that, man. I could have been way worse off. Some people are settled in, but some aren't. Then they have another son as well. Cleo and Ginny have a son of their own here named Chris.

So, uh, Chris will end up dying later on. It's a mess. What? Yeah. Um, listen to their, Chris is kind of a disaster. Not, that's not our murder story, by the way, Chris, he's just dead. Oh, so it's just a body out there. He just, he just dies.

They get a car accident, but he was a, he was a nut that did a lot of drugs. I think if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, 1986, Cleo and Ginny get married. And I'm only telling you about this because the way they did it is amazing. This is like pre-Instagram white trash wedding here on purpose. Like, we had our sales at Trailer Park wedding. Right, yeah. But they weren't

they weren't being ironic and putting it on instagram this isn't because they could afford better this is all they had uh not well then they did have a sense of humor about it though okay she called it a good old-fashioned shotgun wedding literally which is weird when you already have two kids why were their guns involved that's that what I'm saying. Everyone dressed up in older clothes, made it look shabby. The reverend, who happened to be the neighborhood minister, he performed the ceremony. They lived out in the country, and the minister came out to the house, and their decor was bales of hay. They put around the people all sat on bales of hay. They had the ceremony on the front porch.

sat on bales of hay. They had the ceremony on the front porch. Ginny's sister and also her boyfriend at the time held a hangman's noose for some reason. In case he says no. Yeah. The maid of honor's dad escorted Cleo up

onto the porch while holding a broken old shotgun. They were pretending like it was a shotgun wedding even though these were he's forcing them yeah these were adults with many children she has four kids already yeah this is they she should be very well on her way to her 11th or 12th anniversary by now that's what i mean they have a boom box that they played the bridal march on okay and then afterwards they had a big old cookout hell yeah that's what i'm saying

and uh that's that was their wedding so now cyril cyril uh somebody here says cyril was one of those kids that if he liked you you knew and if he didn't like you you knew that too he didn't mince words he showed respect to his elders as long as they showed it back he wouldn't take any crap cyril showed it back yeah that's usually not how respect for elders works yeah which which elder have you ever spoken to that right out of the gate offered respect to you he didn't grow up in my family is what i have to say for that the old italian people be beating the shit out of this kid on a daily basis that kid would have been telling adults in my family to go fuck themselves, and they would have beat the living shit out of this kid.

That's rough, man. They said, quote, he had a hard time dealing when he was younger. He had a behavior disorder. Sounds like it. He had a hard time with the fact that his real dad didn't want anything to do with him. That's some dude that she was sleeping with. Maybe he doesn't even know. He doesn't know who

he is, but he doesn't know. The guy doesn't want anything to do with him. But he's been adopted by somebody else. He said, he's got a dad. I mean, what the fuck? It's not like he's like, I just wish someone would play catch with me. You know what I mean? There's a guy in the house.

Leo, he's a badass. He's a good guy, it sounds like. So he said he'd get frustrated and have mood swings. One of his teachers was wonderful. Sometimes he would just cry, and she knew what the reason was. She would take him out in the hall and talk to him and let him get himself back together before she took him back in the room. Cyril was never in trouble with the law, but Chris was. Chris had one of those personalities you just had to like.

He was like Tabitha. When he met someone, he was quiet at first, but it didn't take long for the quiet to go away. Okay. So now, Beck, that's them now, Ginny and Mom. So the girls, Tabitha and Sam, they live with Grandma over there, and then Ginny and Cleo have started a whole other life and family. Yeah. And just left the girls there. Are they in New York also?

I believe they're in uh iowa i want to say oh i think you did say that i think yeah i think they're in iowa so uh that's because that's where cyril ends up being so yeah um now kevin back to the other family kevin bryant and the bryant family um they were talking about him and he was around too, because the family was around. Sure. Uh, about Tabitha, the family says that she was a stubborn child. Oh yeah. Uh, this is her grandma.

When she was in kindergarten, I went up one day to the school to check on Samantha and walked into Tabby's classroom. She was under the desk with a pencil and a piece of paper. She was being disciplined, but she never let on. She said she liked it there. She's one of those. you couldn't break her spirit just hanging out oh no i like it in the corner that's why i'm here fuck her favorite fuck that teacher um sam and tabby would fight a lot because they were a year apart and they're you know just how kids are and their sisters just like brothers will fight and samantha, we didn't always have the greatest relationship, and I really regret that.

So they were both active in school but in different things. Sam was in the yearbook club and like the photography club and that sort of shit. But Samantha was a cheerleader, and she played softball. So that's what they did. They said, you know, she's in school over there. And in parallel, we'll talk about Kevin Bryant. He was, while she's in grade school, he was finishing his undergrad work and graduating from Vermont Law School in 1988. That's great.

Yeah. So then he goes to work in some law offices after that. So passes the bar, apparently. Tabitha graduated from Greenwoodwood central school in 1994 she's class of 94 and um they said her senior class was very small uh very small class uh yeah really tiny they said it was you know like i think 30 kids they said tabitha was one of the prettiest girls around this is a quote from the book here tabitha was one of the prettiest girls around this is a quote from the book here tabitha was one of the prettiest girls in town with her honey colored mullet

now this is 1994 this is not 1984 so i don't get in 1994 if a girl had a mullet you'd be like why you got a fucking mullet that's weird. They just said so much with that short sentence. That said a lot right there. That's the town. With her honey-colored mullet. That's the prettiest girl in town. She party with that honey-colored mullet. Honey-colored mullet.

Oh, boy. Her main issue, though, physically, she had her teeth weren't great. They were very crooked and snagged. Welcome to the club, babe. Snaggled, crooked, and discolored and not great is what people said. They didn't have money for braces, so she never got braces. But people said she didn't seem self-conscious about it or anything like that. So she ends up meeting here.

She's dating her high school sweetheart, Arnold. What the hell is his name? I can't. I don't have his name here. They gave a pseudonym in the book and it doesn't matter. They said it was about her age. They were going to the same school. She said, Samantha said, I think they met down at our neighbor's.

He used to go down there and hang out and that's where they met. Yeah. He liked them all. Yeah. He used to go down there and hang out, and that's where they met. Yeah, he liked them all. He was her senior prom date. Okay. So that was what's going on there. By 1995, Kevin is running a law office, Kevin Bryant. And Kevin goes out on his own in 1995 to open his own law office.

Wow. And, yeah, Tabitha, meanwhile, is working as a waitress and studying to be a certified nursing assistant, CNA. But she flunked her exam. Oh, no. She can't wipe ass? That's not great. Yeah, she flunked her exam. But she does get married in August of 96, Tabitha. She marries her high school sweetheart, Arnold, which always works out, at the Howard Community Center in Howard, New York. Mom came for the wedding. Ginny showed up? Jimmy showed up.

Ginny? Absolutely. Not Jimmy. She's there. Jimmy. Yeah. She moved with him to Rochester, and that's where they live. Tabby and Arnold.

They're married about a year, and they're fighting and fighting and fighting. And it's not working. Wild, weird. Oh, this is strange. When I saw him after math class in between math and biology, we got along great. But now when we live together, not so much. Super weird. So Tabitha complained to her grandmother here.

She always said she was not he wasn't hitting her or anything like that. She said it was verbal abuse. He'd always yell at her and call her names. And she didn't like it. She's tired of arguing and she's had enough. That makes sense. That makes sense. Good for her for recognizing that.

Before she had like three kids and then ten years later recognized it like a lot of us have you know what i mean these children watch this fucking abuse and the cycle and they grow up and then destroys their lives and they end up in the same fucking thing that you went through exactly so they she goes to her grandmother and says you know what should i do and grandmother says we'll get a divorce if you want a divorce and she says i don't know how to do it and she says well our family knows this attorney guy kevin bryant you've known him since you were two. You know him. Oh, yeah, Kevin. Okay, great.

So she does. She goes and asks Kevin to handle her divorce for her. And he said, yeah, no problem. He doesn't do divorces, but he finds a friend of his. He knows some people who does family divorces. We'll do it and not rip her off and all that kind of shit. So, yeah, this guy ended up moving away this arnold martin guy and he takes off and moves away great so the bryants uh you know they're helping her the whole family's kind

of kind of uh gathering around her the bryant family's helping tabitha out because they feel bad for her as her life has fallen apart yeah they know her forever and all that sort of thing so somehow in all of this uh kevin and tabitha hook up oh kevin he is 18 years older than her well hey listen in some places of this country that is evidently recognized as a sign of success yeah i guess so it's what is he 30 but like when a rock like when mick jagger is 70 and he marries a 19-year-old Brazilian model, he didn't play with that model when she was a baby. That's what the weird part is. Like, oh, I remember when you were a baby.

Oh, that's weird. Your dick shouldn't be able to get hard then. He does remember when she was 80 because he was 50 doing coke off some other broad in fucking England. But he wasn't playing with that child. He never knew that child existed until she grew tits. he found her yeah it's still weird this one it's all weird it's all weird but this is weird earth scales of weird you're right yeah yeah so they end up getting married on december 26 1997 she's barely divorced like she is 21 he pushed her divorce through and then immediately got married

she exactly she's 21 years old here wow and um yep he he uh they go to kevin's church and uh there's you know there's his father's an ordained minister and all that sort of thing he already had bought a home he's got a nice big house yeah like. Like anticipating a family. Yeah. Yep. He's 40. She's 21. This is going to work out terrific. The man's seen the fucking world. He's been to Germany.

He's gone to law school. She is. No, Germany's her dad. Oh, didn't he go to? Did she? Did he go to? Kevin went to Germany? I swore Kevin went to the army or some shit.

No, no, that's dad. That's her dad. Oh, just dad? Okay. All right. Her dad. Tabitha's dad went to the army. So Kevin's gone off to law school. Yeah's done play he's 40 four zero think about this way when you were 40 three years ago did you have any of the same thoughts you had when you were 21 no exactly

he's worried about polyps and she's kissed a guy named paul on the lips that's it she's literally he's literally like when should i start having my ass probed for fucking problems this is crazy soon right and then she's not worried about that put it that way unbelievable so uh the problem also is that tabitha's family had some misgivings about this whole thing not even because of the age because because of Kevin's health, because they've known him forever. Oh, because of his little heart? Because of his little tiny heart problems that he's got there.

And Tabitha said that she would take good care of him and convince them that she could care for him, and he wouldn't die in her care, I guess. So now Ginny, though, Mom, Tab tabitha's mom doesn't really like kevin they're civil with each other but jenny's not in favor of this marriage like listen your business lady when you yeah when you call more than once a month when i'm five you can have an opinion on this otherwise shut up you're marrying bouncers fuck you yeah you're doing you left me next to the fridge fuck off yeah that's interesting so jenny said i didn't

have to like him i didn't have to live with him so there's that kevin and tabby went on a honeymoon to the cayman islands oh my god yeah well he's a lawyer so he's a little got a little more going on the 18 year old she married she's 21 i had it off to the caimans oh good lord to the caribbean and they said tabitha's an inch taller than him sure yeah she's five three but like during the wedding she wore heels so she's like five seven and he's five two oh god yeah he was like hmm you know he's like on his toes and shit there's unlike tom cruise it man unlike tom cruise nobody gets him an apple box when he's not taller than his than the girl wrap you wrap your arms around those knees and hold on tight bud it's all right if if he married a woman who's like six feet tall yeah you're like i climb her like a tree

yeah but if it's she's just a little bigger than you like that then you just look like she threw on heels yeah you just look bigger just look like a little guy there. So an aunt of hers said she was pretty high strung. She decided she wanted to wear red shoes for her wedding. Everybody tried to talk her out of it, but she did. Take it easy, Dorothy. Because she's already been married, she was like, well, you know, people are saying I can't wear white. Well, I won't wear white.

I'll wear a white wedding dress, but red red shoes so that means i've already been whatever there's no flower here that i was gonna say that indicates things being broken so um yeah so kevin was very reserved and very conservative and she was like outgoing and friendly and you know she would like sing solos in the church choir and you know would be the fucking person dancing the most at weddings and shit like that while he would sit on the side and watch i don't know if it's because he didn't enjoy it or because he thought his heart would explode i'm not positive of which it was could be either way here can't be cutting rugs lady i'm gonna die you know what i mean it's totally different i'm not letting the electric slide kill me around here no now kevin had house he would have like

people rent out rooms in his house before this because he had a he bought a four-bedroom house he lived in alone so like professional acquaintances and shit like basically he had a bunch of guys that were getting divorced. Like a guy would be going through a divorce. He'd stay with Kevin for six months and then go get an apartment. It was like a divorced man's transition center. It was his house. Yeah.

Halfway house for divorce. I got a rehab center for single men. Yeah. That's what it was. They're not ready to bring chicks home yet. They're just trying to get it together get you back out there slaying poon again come on through they're trying to acquire a bed and a dresser that's all they're trying to get together here so they can get to their own place and then poon is on the

back burner at this soon as i got more shit than fits in this room i'm out of here that's what it is it's gonna be a while i can still fold up my air mattress so it's gonna be a bit i'll be here kev hilarious that's a fun house it is so one of the guys here was a divorced man in his late 60s who had worked with kevin poor bastard he didn't like tabitha no no he says this. This is wild. He does not mince words, speaking of people not mincing words. Quote, so Kevin met Tabitha. She was a piece of shit.

That's a woman, man. Take it easy. She was a piece of shit. He met her and she was married. She was like a cheerleader. You know, and she was married. She was like a cheerleader. You know, a young airhead. She came into the house. He helped her get a divorce.

Then they got married. After she moved in, I moved out and moved back into an apartment. But for a time, I was living there with the two of them. For about a month, and that's about it. I was living in the house with them. And he, they lived together there before they were married. Like he's judging them. They were living before they were married. Like he's judging them. They were living before they were married.

It's disgusting. I heard him saying gag me. Yeah. He says Kevin's a great guy. He's a piece of work. Very intelligent. Unfortunately, he's always had a problem. Well, not always.

But for as long as I knew him, we used to talk about relationships with women. I had had a divorce and other friends had problems with women he got married and unfortunately it was to the wrong individual during the month i was there i couldn't understand how he got hooked up with a low life like that i want to know way more wow this guy is what did she do give us some examples man he's in his i think he's just he's in his late 60s and this guy come i think he was just like man look at her all bubbly she's having fun yeah look at her and he's like you know she she thinks she's bouncy here where do you get her in a bed then she's super bouncy when have you ever met a 21 year old when that guy's got it together you know i mean they're all pieces of shit they're 21 21 yeah and if you're 21 and listening don't feel bad no you were there too

you're allowed to be a piece of shit you should you don't know any better yeah you don't know any better yet enjoy fun later you can go through it with this wonderful complete cognitive dissonance that it's a crazy thing you can just later on go wow i sucked and that's fine no one will care yeah right now you think you've got it together. You fucking don't. Wow. So I couldn't understand how he got hooked up with a low life like that. She had problems. I could tell she wanted to have a family or something. Oh, how dare she?

You little bitch. What do you want, a family? What do you want, fucking? What do you want, happiness? How dare you? Wow. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier.

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The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar.

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She induced a premature birth by not drinking too much water. This guy's a doctor now. Okay. Yeah. I remember Kevin told me she was fainting. She was, you know, she was weird. Then she had the second baby. Then she came to the office bringing the two babies.

Strange. Strange. Strange. She stopped by her husband's office where it's his law firm with their two babies. With their children. So strange. I've never seen anybody's significant other stop by their office with the children for a minute. That is so strange. This guy is a fucking, he's not a happy guy.

He is very angry. Then I guess she took up, well, that's a later on thing. Okay. I don't know what the hell was going on. He's not a happy guy. Yeah. He is very angry. Then I guess she took up. Well, that's a later on thing. Okay. I don't know what the hell was going on. That's what he says. Okay. Wow.

That's a lot from that guy. He's judgy as fuck. And holy shit. So Kevin fathered two kids with her, huh? Yes. They'll have two sons as we find out here. He's got some money problems, though. Kevin? He was hit with a $202,000

legal malpractice judgment for work he did for the old company he used to work for of legal places. Hyatt, it was called, like the hotel he did there. This caused him to put both of his family's cars in Tabitha's name to protect some of his

assets. Sure. To protect your liabilities. Yeah. At one point point he applied for a job at the Monroe County District Attorney's office claiming he needed a steady income because in some years he only made $20,000. And he was turned down. But they said that they seemed to

get along. Tabitha and Kevin seemed to love each other. Her relatives here said, we trusted him him we knew he'd take good care of her when he introduced her to people he would say this is my beautiful wife he'd say he'd say to her anything you want honey um uh her friend said i'd be talking to her on the phone and she'd laugh and say i gotta go it's cuddle time oh so yeah they seem to be having getting along or as this guy would say it she's a piece of shit she wants to cuddle and have so yeah they seem to be having getting along or as this guy would say it she's

a piece of shit she wants to cuddle and have children and love her husband or fucking low life bring the kids to see their father strange strange behavior with that one jesus um tabitha's uncle said they were happy and we were happy for them so she is working as a part-time secretary in his law office. She'll come in and do work here. He also gets her a full dental overhaul that she wanted. Fix those teeth. Got crowns and got all this type of shit.

Oh, God. She was all excited and everything like that. She cut her hair and left it straight. She started to change up the clothes she wore and you know she just started to look better and feel better about herself into a pretty mom role that's not and you're also in a legal office so she wants to be like you know she wants to bring those fucking teeth in here people she's gonna lose she's a she's a lawyer's wife now too she feels like so she has a certain status she needs to uphold. And her sister said she didn't change when she married Kevin, just her style.

Other than that, her sister said, I didn't notice a change attitude-wise. But she did feel that she had to be, appearance-wise, the lawyer's wife. Sure. She had to be that. So they have two sons, like we talked about. One they name Kevin Jr. Kevin C. Bryant II. They call him K.C. Bryant. And they have two sons like we talked about one they name kevin jr uh they kevin c bryant the second they call him kc bryant and they have steven as well their two sons um she her mom jenny said that tabby seemed to really enjoy this change in her like her class basically she went

from she went from being lower class to you middle class, a lawyer's wife here. Ginny witnessed her going from the kid that was abandoned and thrown in her grandparents' lap to this lawyerly wife. Yep. Great. Her mom said, for Tabby, the whole idea of being the wife of a lawyer, the whole persona fascinated her. Yeah. Fascinates me, too, to be anything other than a piece of shit that I was born into. The only problem her mom said is that she said she loved it, but only up to a point.

She was having trouble with the fact that she was never around people her own age. Everybody was Kevin's friends. Yeah. Therefore, so all of his friends are 40 in their 40s. He doesn't know anybody that's 21. No. I would hope not. No, better not. No reason to do that.

Her friend of hers said she loved her kids. Oh, my God, did she love her children. She would just tell me how delightful they were and what a wonderful thing they were in her life and the happiness they brought to her. The kids would stay. Virginia said, quote, she'd call me at night when she put the boys to bed the the boys would want us to would want us to sing them to sleep so she would sing while she put the phone to the boys ears so they could hear me okay um now kevin before they got married he drove a mazda miata convertible because he can fit in it. To him, that's like a normal-sized car.

Tim, that's a Cadillac, man. That's huge. That's a one-seater to me. If you put a seat in the middle of it, I can leave my elbows on both windows and still my knees would be up in my face. That would be bad. We mentioned it before in another show.

I was inundated with race cars of those. No, man. That's not. Whatever. Yeah, it weighs 12 pounds. I get it. Yeah, you could put a giant engine in it and make it go fast, but that doesn't mean anything. Still a dumbass car.

Yeah, you could do that to a lawnmower, too. Does that mean it's great? You can do that to a fucking bar stool. Yeah, really anything. People do it. I've seen coolers that people put motors in and drive them in Florida and shit. Refrigerators, trash cans, all kinds of shit. Jesus.

A friend of his said, a lawyer friend said, I ran into him one day and I asked him if he still had his Miata. He said no. He had gotten married and had kids and was giving up those days. So they got a station wagon and a minivan. Those days. Those days. Those days of driving around with the wind in my hair. Over. My sports car.

Yep. Fucking Miata. Now, Ginny never liked him, like we said. Ginny said, to me, he seemed very cold, empty, and unfeeling. But at the same time, Tabby loved him, so she obviously saw something in him that I didn't. Yeah, because you're not with him. Not his fucking wife. Here is their house.

Holy motherfucker. It's just a nice white house. Looks like it should have a picket fence around it. It's a nice big house, like one of the five windows up front. Two-story. Two-story. Big front lawn. It's a plantation-style house.

It's beautiful. Big front lawn. Right, and it's a four-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath, 1,824-square-foot house. So it's not that big. Wow. Not like as big as it looks. It looks bigger. And it is, at this point, valued at $305,400.

That's a nice little place. Nice little place. So now Tabitha also is employed at the bank, the M&T Bank, and she's also a legal assistant to her husband here. So that's what she's kind of doing on and off. They do some other stuff together that we'll talk about, though. Oh. Now, he would do wills, divorces, bankruptcies, and minor criminal cases. That's what he did here.

Estate planning and minor criminal shit. She was known for handing out lollipops in the bank drive-thru. Basically, if you came up to the window and you had your radio loud or turned it up loud, she would give you a lollipop. And if you turned it down, she'd go, if you want a lollipop, you got to turn it up. And then she'd give them a lollipop. And then she'd dance to their music. She's a party. Fucking deposit deposit my shit this is a bank look i get having fun at work this is a fucking bank yeah if you're dealing with like my blood samples and my fucking financial security stop dancing and worrying about lollipops and worry about your fucking job and i'll figure

the rest out stick that dum-dum up your ass and my money in my account. How's that? Here's why I turned the radio down, because I want you to understand what to do with my fucking money. That's why. I don't want this to get fucked up. This is important. I got bills that rely on this.

This is very important. I will go to jail. I have child support. Do you understand? Stop dancing, please. But I like the spirit, though. Yeah. I like the spirit though yeah i like the spirit so um wow they seem to be doing fine she drove around in her minivan with a bumper sticker that said

i'm the mom that's why so she was embracing this suburban mom shit to the to the brink here um she would also show people pictures of her kids, uh, at the drive through as well. That's too personal, man. The customer that was her friend said she'd be jumping up and down. If I drove through with the music turned down, she would look at me and say, no music, no lollipop. Okay. She treats everyone like the two year old.

God damn it. Um, yeah. So she, coworkers said she was was very lively one said she cared about people she always cared about anyone who worked there if she thought i was feeling bad she'd come up and give me a big hug and put her head on my shoulder wasn't you all right if you're feeling bad you put your head on her shoulder put your head on my shoulder wasn't let me put your head on my head on your shoulder that's the song song. Yeah. You feel down here, carry my weight too. Yeah.

So now she got rid of her glasses. She's wearing contacts. She's got nicer clothes, better hair, fucking perfect teeth. Yeah. She's feeling better about herself. Now, the other thing that's a problem, though, is there's a lot bubbling under the surface. They look like the perfect suburban couple, but there's some other stuff. Kevin's having an affair, and she can't prove it.

This is six months into the marriage. She tells her mom that she thought Kevin was fucking around. Look at you, Kev. Yeah. Ginny said she told me in the first six months that she was married that she thought Kevin was having an affair, but she couldn't prove it. Something about a hotel room and bubble baths and champagne. Oh, Kevin. So Tammy, because this is like, you know, 2001.

Yeah. Tammy is on the computer trying to fucking. Tabby? Tabby. Yeah, I said Tabby. Tabby here. Tabitha is on the computer trying to do fine shit, looking through his emails and stuff like that. She read

some private stuff here. Ginny says quote, then Tabby said she read his email and she knew who it was. Who he was with here. But she still couldn't prove it because she couldn't tell if he was really having an affair or if it was just

something mouthing off on an email. He wasn't happy that she'd gotten into his email account. So that caused a fight. Yeah, because you read somebody else's shit and all you're doing is looking for a fight. Stop that. Knock it the fuck off. That's exactly right. Fucking.

Yeah. What are you what are you doing? Stop open anybody's shit. It's not your stop. And that's all they text you. And then it's never going to stop. Do you doing? Stop doing that. Don't open anybody's shit. It's not yours. No, stop. If they wanted to text you, they'd text you. And then it's never going to stop, too, if you do that. We can do that for the next 40 years. You're going to fucking look through everybody's things and text messages.

Knock it off. What about nowadays? You're going to get on their WhatsApp and their Instagram. Your head would explode. All you would do is monitor this person. That could be a full-time job. It's crazy. And in context, you can make fucking anything awful.

Anything. And all you're going to do is drive yourself crazy. Either way, yeah. If you think that if it's that much of a problem, then just leave. Fucking leave. If you can't handle it, then get out because you're just causing problems. Her friend also said that Kevin was treating her as a trophy wife, she said. She didn't like that.

What? Her friend said she said she had given him two sons and that's all he wanted from her. Okay. Another girl we'll talk plenty about, Cassidy Green, she said, I think Kevin got bored with her. Oh. Another friend here of Tabitha's said,

a couple of times she talked about leaving him. She felt he was too powerful because he was a lawyer. She thought she didn't have a leg to stand on and she'd lose her boys because he'd be better at filing legal shit you probably don't that would be tough so by 2002 she figures out that she finds more stuff that he's screwing around more online shit with another woman she tells some of her friends at work there and shared copies of the messages she found with them like she's got printouts like what do you make of this she needs a am i crazy yeah no fuck yeah you're crazy well but no you're

not because this is happening at the same time yeah and i'm gonna be crazy for sticking around and showing us this rather than just getting a divorce you're crazy to keep this going yeah so she said that she wanted to get her her marriage back on track though she kept telling people i guess there was a friday one friday she came into work and she said kevin promised they would go to dinner and a show that evening and that the marriage was going to be back on track and he was done with bullshit. And this was a fresh start. It's all coming together now. So this is like her third fresh start by 23. Poor girl has a lot of fresh starts. So the problem was though,

her Kevin's idea of taking her to dinner and a show. Oh no. Was you'd picture dinner in a show. Yeah. The worst, the movies, that's the worst you're you'd picture dinner and a show. Yeah. The worst, the movies. That's the worst you're getting. The lowest. At the most.

Yeah. At the most, there might be a play. Live play. Live musical performance. Some kind of, we're going out and being fancy tonight. He took her to a Henrietta Strip Club. That's the show. What?

The show is Other Chicks Tits Around. That's our show what the show is other chicks tits around that's our show that's we're gonna get our marriage back on track by looking at other chicks naked right divorce it's over it's done i would say her co-worker said she was hurt but she was also surprised by how much it pleased him what is she surprised about there's a bunch of naked girls that'll do what you want for money. What the fuck is surprising about that? He was smiling so much. Tits just brightened his whole day.

It was weird. A stranger's tits. Didn't even know their name. She had a code name. Super strange, right? That is not surprising. Impersonal titties is the most smileable thing.

You just see tits anywhere. Somebody should be like, hey, look at that. That's nice. It's just a great thing that we're all happy about. Don't forget it. Anybody mad at tits is not a person I want to talk to. In the grocery store, if someone's not wearing a bra and you can see their tits, that is the coolest thing. I'm buying apples and I turn around and I tits that's great whenever there's like a

protest in a city where women are saying that guys are allowed to be shirtless and i should be shirtless like they did with beaches in new york years and years ago and all that come out with these they come out with these tits out and there's people with signs going put those away and all what is wrong with you what is wrong with you what you fucking people my biggest problem with the james is i will get nothing done well no if it's just like in your office and girls are prancing back and forth tits out obviously a lot of women just protesting there but in the streets leave it alone the thing i don't have the thing i have a problem with it is the people that go, what's the big deal? They're just tits.

What's the big deal? They're tits. They're incredible. That's what it is. Yes, but why can't they have them out? Have them out all you want. Yeah, I don't have a gripe about it. That's what I mean.

I'm not angry that your tits are out ever. No one is. I've never seen one I hated. No. And it's a neighborly thing to do just i'd call it right neighborly is what that is it's just nice it is kind her friends said she's hurt but surprised how much it pleased him all of a sudden she found a way to reach him no that's men have been reached by by strangers tits for millennia probably i'm sure there was a certain cave you could go to where the

girls would take their tops off in exchange for pelts or or you know meat hunks of some kind a thing of berries i don't know you know i'm sure that exists existed back in the day how is she gonna reach him when when she going to reach him? When she needs to have a conversation, she's just going to hold up the centerfold? Just take him there and then she can always talk to him because he's in his element? I don't understand it either. I don't know what it was. We need to have a conversation.

Get in the car. It is weird. We got a sitter. We're going to go talk it out. So she's not upset by it. She embraced it as an attempt to save her marriage. We will bond through strippers. Wow.

That is desperation. Several strip joints became their regular hangouts. Oh, my God. In one of them here, though, she meets a guy named Keith Cromwell, who she ends up starting an affair with. That's the problem. Oh, boy. January 2003. Well, he just hangs out there. He was a patron.

He's a patron there. He's a fellow titty connoisseur. Fellow titty connoisseur. Picks up a fellow titty connoisseur's wife? Wife. And he's 47. He's older than Kevin, even. How do you do it, guys?

This is wild. Good for you, Keith. They meet in January by Valentine's Day. They're in an affair. Six weeks. Six weeks. Affair popping. Holy.

So that's what it became. And they said that people described Tabby at the time as a quote, and I don't know what the fuck this is because usually bars do not allow this. You're either a professional or you got to keep your shirt on. No. They described her as a quote amateur lap dancer at Nookie's Tavern. I don't

know what that means. The book says quote a description that's open to interpretation. What does that mean? That tells me at some point her tits were out in the bar. The thing about women in a titty bar is that they get to do whatever they want they can they can take their top off they can grab women's tits they can grab their asses nobody cares it's wild they walk around you ever see like an old thing where someone's like remember like saved by the bell when he's like freeze everything and he could walk her impunity that's what this is like the girl that used to put her fingers together and she could yeah freeze time that's what this is

that's what being a girl in a strip club is like yeah you could go around you could smack a guy in the face grab a girl's tits throw a drink on the ground and people just be like that's hot that she's here man that's so cool she's an amateur guys she's an amateur so i've seen them i've seen men bring their wives and uh the the wives sitting in chairs are being tipped because their their top came off and and that's the dancers will tip her it it gets the place fucking insane it also gets them in trouble too because they're not allowed to do that i read this book that the guy uh who owns scores michael blutrick he owns scores and it's all about him and through because it's all through the mafia and all that kind of shit so it's a very interesting book about new york city and scores and all the people that were coming in there to party

and uh he was saying this that happened where like you know it'd be somebody's anniversary and they'd see some naked lady writhing on someone they'd be like she's not one of ours is she they're like you got to get the fuck out we're gonna lose our fucking this is gonna cost us so much money if you don't get out you cannot do this only these licensed naked people and it's that's a nice strip club that that's like that was meant to be a high-end establishment the shitty ones that i've been to they encourage the fuck out of this. Oh, they don't give a shit.

They don't give a shit. It's disgusting there. Disgusting. So this Keith works at Schlegel where he makes industrial brushes, conveyor rollers, gasket seals of rubber or silicone, and various kinds of locks. Works with a lot of fucking chemicals. He works second shift. It's off at 11 p.m. 2 to 11 shift. Jesus.

Hot for a 26 year old, right? 47. Second shift at the factory. Hanging out at the strip club. Where do I sign up for this fucking gem? Fuck fest. Wow. One of their friends said it's ironic that Kevin pulled her into this lifestyle and she met Keith because of it.

All of a sudden, Kevin didn't have any control over her. So they would first meet secretly. Then they became more bold. She went to the graduation party for his nephew. A nephew? A nephew. Tabitha and Keith would take her they'd go to get tabitha and keith would take their two the karen kevin's two sons out for lunch what it was fucking crazy she is showing him how it feels

that's yeah it's it's very interesting they would hang out basically they would um hook up in between when she got off of part-time at the bank and before he went in for a shift at the factory because he didn't have to go into like three o'clock or something so they would hook up by valentine's day he told her that he loved her he's falling in love with her and they were their frequency increased here um her friend said quote he adored her he put her up on a pedestal tabitha was happy for the first time in months because she was loved. She said she was also a Christian and very torn about this because this was not a Christian lifestyle. I would say not.

The thing is, Kevin loves her, too. Just Keith is loving her the way she wants to be loved. Yeah. Kevin cares, too. With dye on his hands. Yeah. With the fucking chemicals all over the place with metal shavings

embedded in his skin in his calluses that's how that's what she's gonna do and shitty beer on his breath yeah Jesus

so they end up at this point as if things aren't going crazy enough for the married couple here for Kevin

and uh and Tabitha. But then Cyril moves in, who is her half-brother. Right. Yes, it's Tabitha's half-brother. Cleo's stepson. Yes. Moves in with somebody else, too, a woman named Cassidy Green. Is that his girlfriend?

Yes. And they met through the whole thing happened Cyril moved in first on his own and then Cassidy will move in later on because now a little bit more about Cyril here Cyril and Tabitha first met when they were children

during a family trip and they kept in regular contact even though it was a 5 year age difference 4 or 5 year age difference but they knew they were half brother and sister so they kept in regular contact okay even though there's a five-year age difference five okay five-year a four five-year age difference but they knew they were half brother and sister so they like kept in contact sure here so cyril lived in iowa worked in a casino and was married with a son but he had problems he got depressed in november 2001 when his brother was killed in an automobile accident chris so Cyril went to Indiana to live with some cousins.

Later on, someone will say about Cyril, he's actually a pretty intelligent guy. Unfortunately, he was essentially raised by wolves. He's a guy who, if he had some adult guidance, would have prospered. Poor kid. Ginny's his mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wild.

It's wild. So October 2002, he was admitted to a mental health facility for a day after claiming that he couldn't remember who he was. Cyril did that? Cyril said, I don't know who I am. Oh, my. His mother and stepfather picked him up, and they found him calling people on cell phones' contact list to see if they could jog his memory. That's how they found him he was just calling people going hello why do i have your number who am i do you know who i am do you know who i am look at your phone what showed up yeah yeah what does it say crazy fuck

damn it i knew that already i already knew that so who am i this says don't answer. I don't know. Oh, shit. I forgot to block it. So he and his wife are having problems. Like we said, death of his brother was bad. Samantha put it like this. He had a nervous breakdown. He was in Indiana at the time, I think. He was in the hospital, and he couldn't remember anybody or anything. So Patty and Cleo and little Cleo went out there because they were living in Iowa at the time and he didn't know them.

One of Cleo's brothers was up there, so they stayed with him. He called Tabby one time and asked if he could come stay with them until he got things sorted out. So I guess Patty had moved away. That's his wife. And Cyril was a mess. So they said, she says, quote, in October, I got a call around midnight. It was a collect call. And when I asked from who, I heard Cyril's voice say, I don't know.

Collect call from, I don't know. Help. Yeah. She said he completely lost his memory. He didn't know where he was. He was terrified. After talking to him for a little while, I got him to hand the phone to somebody else. He had't know where he was. He was terrified. After talking to him for a little while, I got him to hand the phone to somebody else.

He had wandered into a hospital. He had seen a big cross, so he just walked toward it. He was like, those people will help me. They'll let me in, basically. They might know who I am. It was a hospital in Crown Point, Indiana, which is just south of Gary. Yeah. He said,

Cyril put me on the phone with a hospital attendant and I asked her to go get a doctor, get somebody who could come get him and take him to the emergency room. And they got a security guard and they got on the phone and said they would take him to emergency and that was that. So they took him in. He said Cyril was eventually put in a mental health facility. He wasn't violent. He wasn't suicidal. He just didn't know who he in a mental health facility. He wasn't violent.

He wasn't suicidal. He just didn't know who he was, and he was scared. What the fuck? Did he have head injuries? That is fucking wild. I don't know. Probably. I don't know. It seems like his circuit's just fried.

Yeah. He's just too much, and it all just fried out. She says this, Cyril didn't remember me. This is his sister. He didn't remember Patty. He didn't remember his son. He didn't recognize any of us. He got in his cell phone and he just started going through numbers. He started calling people and talking to people, trying to figure out who he was. He came across Tabby's number and because he and Tabby used to talk quite a bit, he talked to

her and she asked to talk to me. So he put me on the phone and Tabby said, OK, what's going on? So I explained it all to her and she said, OK, now that makes sense. And they got then Cyril and Tabitha talked for an hour. So when it got they got done, I asked him if that helped any. And he said, no, but she seems to like me. That's a good person. That's a good person. I said, well, she should. She's your sister. and he said she said i could come up and stay with her she told me to think

about it next time i talk to her what should i tell her so anyway that's what she does he does he ends up going uh and living with with them with kevin and tabby and this isn't the first time tabitha had invited a sibling in. A few years earlier, Samantha had problems in her marriage and stayed there for a while, too. So she's nice. So Cyril, Kevin gives him a job as a clerk in his law office. Okay, yeah.

Fuck it. Yeah, you can work here. Can't fuck that up, yeah. He was only 22 at the time. Sure, sure. He's a young kid. He's working there. And in November 2002, that's when cassidy

green walks in the door oh boy cassidy is described as a quote 21 year old cocaine dealer from ontario county needed a needing a lawyer to file business papers for an escort service she wanted to run with a business partner that's cassidy green that's our girl here boy and and and tabitha's a shithead yeah don't let your friend meet this girl sir wow she had worked at escort services but was tired of the pimp she didn't want to split the money so she said i'll be the pimp and i'll go out and send girls out while hello coke too how can i start uh 1-800 dial pussy llc llc and can i sell cocaine from that business as well does the license cover that or not no can i can i start coke and hookers.com their hookers already exists shit damn it people love them already fuck it's already an established product. I'm fucked. Okay.

So she decided she's going to set up her own escort service, and she even had a name for it. Yeah. Oh, boy. You want to guess? Could be anything. Could be anything. You wouldn't have guessed this. Pussy on demand? I don't know.

Sunset Sensations. Okay. I mean, it's on the nose. We know what it is. Oh, yeah. Sunset yeah sunset pussy at night she had to come up with a location yeah and she didn't have enough money to run it out of a motel it's a real it's a real slim startup car like wow i don't have the 39.99 a night to run it out of a piece of shit you've already got middle america hotel you don't even have to99 a night to run it out of a piece of shit fucking Middle America hotel.

You don't even have to pay a factory to make it. You already got it. Can't afford to even house it. We need the brick and mortar. That's what it is. She needed a brick and mortar. Well, she needs one of the flagship is what she needs. She needs a flagship store so people can see your wares.

Like the Nintendo store down by Rockefeller there. It's the same thing. It's not like you're starting Legoland. You don't have to start a whole... You don't need a big plot of land. You need a Motel 6. She couldn't do that, she said. Couldn't afford it. Hilarious.

She asked around to any of her friends that may have a house that she could use. Yeah. That maybe they'd be willing to go into business with her. And nobody said yes, you know, because they don't want that in their house. So she decided that she would operate Sunset Sensations out of a trailer home in the Bloomedale Mobile Home Park on routes 5 and 20 in Bloomfield, Ontario County, New York.

Wow. She's going to run a fucking trailer park brothel. On routes 5 and 21. On routes 5 and 20 in Bloomfield, Ontario County, New York. What do you think that's like? If you go to a trailer

park to go to a trailer brothel, what do you think that's like? If you go to a trailer park to go to a trailer brothel, who do you think you're going to see exactly? Honestly. Probably the best blowjob you've ever had. I'm sure. Teeth will not get in the way of this. You know that. Always an open shit bucket out on the porch. It's all good.

This is not good wow um that is insane so they said like you know maybe she she grew up here her mom lives in this town maybe maybe don't do it here and she said she didn't like to travel much so i don't i can't agoraphobia wow i'm gonna read right from this book here because this is funny. Cassidy had great entrepreneurial plans. I think that's sarcastic as we hear. She was going to advertise on the Internet, show off how great her girls looked in fishnet stockings and corsets. When she wasn't feeling so optimistic, she would think about what to do if the escort business didn't work out right away.

She figured she would supplement her income by selling Coke to those who frequented adult entertainment establishes. She'll sell Coke at strip clubs then. That's fine. She is just all class. I got a plan B. Wow. All class, baby. Wow.

She said she tried to do it all on her own but then she realized that no matter what yeah she knows how to run girls she knows how to sell coke but what she doesn't understand is paperwork oh that's the thing yeah you don't you do a lot of paperwork while selling coke in a strip club and so she needed like the doing business as stuff the dba shit remember all the stuff we had to deal with we were like what the fuck is this shit she didn't understand how to do that either so and hey we understand she wants to set it up and pay taxes on this she wants to do this oh she wants it to be an escort service where she'll just have people suck dick for money instead and just and pay taxes on it i assume claim a minimal Yeah. Act like it's some sort of.

Get a payroll going. Yeah. Maybe a 401k. She wants to do it real. So she asked around. She said, I need a lawyer. Does anyone know a lawyer? And everybody said no.

So she opened up the yellow pages and literally just pointed her finger down on a fucking attorney. Didn't care. Like she spun a globe and pointed to a place. Kevin's my man. Kevin Bryant, who is the winner of the mobile home brothel sweepstakes here. She only got like three pages in. She's like, that's enough fucking page turning. So she says this, quote, he seemed a little shady.

She said he seemed a little shady as she's trying to do paperwork to run a trailer park whorehouse. Are you kidding me? What are you talking about? He shook his head a lot and had a lot of questions. It was very shady. Wow. But at the same time, that appealed to us because we didn't want anybody that was going to say, well, you can't do this. This is wrong.

So they were looking for a lawyer who was a little, you know, a little crooked. Yeah. So she said she liked going to the lawyer's office. She liked it because she found Cyril working there. So they started hanging out. And Cyril, you know, been down on his luck, but he's still a handsome guy. And he's still all of that. So, hey, there we go.

You're describing like Cyril from fucking Oz. That's how I'm picturing him. With the ponytail and everything. He's a little slow, but don't fuck with him. He will beat your ass. He's a bad man. He will fight you hard. He's six foot two and built big, too.

So Cyril's a big guy. He'll blame his mom's cancer on you and wallop you to black and she'll he'll beat you silly so wow so they started dating in january 2003 same as cromwell and uh and tabitha yeah now her legal name is cassidy Green. Her street name, though, is Angel. Oh, boy, did she dig deep. Angel. Every strip club in the country has one. An angel.

And he calls her all the time, never uses her name, only calls her Baby Doll. She is 4'10", 72 pounds, by the way. Oh, wow. She's going to get away with this forever. Yes, I mean, she can just dress like a child. And until she's about 32, probably, she can just say, I don't know, I'm in the seventh grade. Yeah, they're not going to search her. Never catch her.

Slap a Dora backpack on her. She's fucking good. Push her out there. Sub five foot? Forget it. Man. Cassidy said a quote about Cyrril he was very gentle very sweet bringing flowers all the time he was the boy that you want to take home to your parents oh my god hi mom i

found the coolest depressed divorce guy he totally can't hold down a job and is often confined to mental mental health facilities isn't he great he has no idea who he is yeah don't ask him who he is though because he won't be able to answer his name ask me direct those questions to me so in february 2003 cassidy moves into the bryant home as well to be with cyril kevin and what are you doing lives with her lives with him in a second floor bedroom because in there they have the married couple has one room cyril and cassidy have another the kids have another room right two boys share a room and then there's an aura home office as well those are the four bedrooms in a 1600 square foot home yeah now kevin likes some weird shit and shit starts to get pretty weird here.

He liked the whole prostitution scene. He liked that a lot. He liked to pay for women. He liked to call for more than one girl at a time as well. Kevin? Yeah, he needed it. One woman wasn't even enough. He needed more than that.

My God. You're 5'2", Kev. One's plenty. Let me tell you something. Yourv, your heart can't handle two women. A, your heart can't handle it, and you don't have enough dick to spread around to that many women. You just don't. There's no way you're 5'2", and so is your dick. Yeah, you're just packing.

It stunted all the growth except the penis. It exponentially made the penis grow bigger. Maybe that's what happened. It is a direct line to the heart. Yeah, maybe whatever those drugs were, that was the side effect. Short stature, giant penis. Stunted the growth except for that. Man.

So he would go with escorts and all these women. And yeah, he wanted to keep things interesting is what he said and interesting to him was multiple women in motels sometimes four women group sex um drugs um coke learn to play guitar kevin you can have this all the time no no no coke we've just he wants some crazy shit that i don't even know what he's thinking he's in 40s. He's married with two kids and a heart problem. He wants a Wolf of Wall Street life, and he can't handle that. That's how he's living, too. Wow. That's how he's living.

Yeah. He would have group sex with pros and drugs and all that. He wanted Tabby to join in, too. Oh, my. She's busy. You get in on this. our tabby to join in too she's you get in on this um so yeah when one time he got a blow job from a stripper while she was there yeah and he wanted tabby he wanted tabitha he said you put your tits in my face while she blows me uh-huh he wanted that in public here yeah um so and she

would go along with it tabitha the friends said they didn't know if she was into it or she was just trying to save her marriage but she went along with it i mean she's having an affair she's not trying to save shit that's that's the other thing yeah she is having an affair too so maybe she just doesn't care anymore so she's like whatever who cares so ken it was maybe fun i don't't know. I mean, probably fun. If you're on coke and drinking and you're out, it sounds like it's probably a good time. People do wild shit. That's what you're into.

So Kevin's 45th birthday party comes around. Oh, boy. And she decides to make it a night, quote, the best birthday party he'll have in years. Tabby says that. Tabby says that. And she hires two dominatrix strippers to perform at the party god damn and also be with him as well yeah so that is interesting um yes there's a party there um according to this he quote partied with a dominatrix stripper two escorts and approximately 20 guests his two young sons were in the house at the time that's oh comes out later all right now kids have to be getting watched by grandma if

we're going to be having fucking dominatrix action in the living room sorry as soon as she comes to the threshold the kids better be elsewhere this is that you can't do that one kid walks into that living room and sees what's going on and they are fucked up for a while you're gonna have to definitely okay look and listen this is a man you can't unwire that no that is that's crazy um during the party uh tabitha performed also they said amateur stripping yeah and um they said that he made a lot of tips as well people were tipping her her. And Kevin was too drunk to care, didn't give a shit. He's getting his nuts stomped in the corner. Yeah, totally. Yeah, he's getting yelled at by a fucking woman.

Saying she won't stop until she sees blood. Having his dick belittled. Yeah. So a few weeks later, Cyril joins the army. Oh. If I could have said, Cyril joins the army. Oh. If I could have said, what do you think is going to happen next? Cyril joins the army is probably not the first thing you thought of. I'm surprised they took him.

Also worried they took him. Maybe it'll help him. Who knows? But he goes to Fort Knox. Cassidy continues to live in the house, though. Really? And also takes over Cyril's job at the law firm you know what i can either start an escort service or be a law clerk i haven't decided

which one to be if kevin kevin's looking to go to jail he's it's yeah obviously kevin so holy shit she began cassidy began taking kevin in low-budget motels where a bunch of prostitutes she knew. And Coke was there. And it was just like, you want to party? I got a place to party. In what year is this? 2003. My God.

This isn't 1976. This is 2003. So crazy. These people are texting while this is going on. Wow. You get that shit this is wild one party she said that kevin boasted that he paid for a prostitute with cocaine so she wouldn't feel like a hooker no she'd feel like a what a filthy a filthy a coke street urchin that's what she is

so she'd feel homeless not in the hierarchy of the streets yeah women who suck dick for money well above women who suck dick for coke like literally in the like social hierarchy any sucking dick for coke is worse than sucking dick for money sucking dick for money is a profession anybody that's got a job if you're cleaning out a fucking toilet guess what you want to do that just as much as she wants to suck a strange dick job if you're cleaning out a fucking toilet guess what you want to do that just as much as she wants to suck a strange dick yeah if you're doing just as much of a prostitute as they are you're doing anything for fucking goods you're doing it wrong this is not judging prostitutes exactly they're like working for company script like they used to do in a coal

mine if you're getting coke for it that's not good no money is better coke doesn't buy anything it's it should never buy anything i mean it'll buy a lot but not if you do it all it should if you give her coke and she does it then she can't buy anything with it so um she said here cassidy said when cyril was gone kevin started getting prostitutes coming into the office wow now the office is he's doing coke off his desk with fucking prostitutes buying them to the office to the office he's like just have him come in at two it's you know i got a meeting at lunch filing a motion blow me while i file this i got a lunch meeting then have him come at one no make that two i'm gonna have a big sandwich at 1. I'm not going to be ready by then. Wow.

She said every day there was a different girl. So he's gone completely fucking out of control. So Cyril, in the Army now, not so quite, not so fast. He lasted a month in the Army. Yeah, because you can't take a guy with mental health and put him in a place where there's fucking weaponry the main problem was his asthma apparently okay yeah he had a bad childhood asthma in the first month especially is all conditioning and he couldn't his asthma couldn't deal with it so they discharged they discharged him because he couldn't couldn't

do it so he went back to the uh to the house to the bryants and began to knock the shit out of cassidy knocked her around good beat her up what the fuck oh yeah he's kicking her ass she's 4 10 72 pounds you can't beat her up no it's crazy dude you're gonna he's six two like he's six two big guy she's four ten one she's four ten 72 pounds you's got at least 100 pounds on. That's ridiculous. So she said, look, to chill you out a little bit, you should try this and got him into cocaine. Oh, my God. You're going to Coke fuel this monster? Yeah, that is. I'll give you a clip from the book again.

I'll just read right from here. Quote, Cassidy sometimes did waft in the breeze of an ephemeral ambition, but she lacked social upward mobility. She was a whore and a drug dealer. This is just a lot of real plain spoken folk here. Like 1870s language. Jesus, it sounds like Trixie from Deadwood. Like, what is happening? She was in a constant need of money for dope dope which would either go up her nose or into a

crack pipe she taught the joys of cocaine slash oral sex combo that was what she would i'll blow you wherever yeah i'll sell you coke and yeah it wasn't long before cyril was also a cocaine addict very nice she said this cassidy said my cocaine my coke dealer didn't trust him. He put out a line that zigzagged the table three times and made Cyril do the whole line. A Charlie Brown t-shirt line of fucking Coke. To prove that he was cool. He was sick for two days. He couldn't get out of bed or nothing. I kept telling him, just do another line.

You'll be fine. That's what she's telling him. She's like Doc Holliday's girlfriend. Yeah. Big nose cake. Yeah. You may be the devil. You may be the antichrist.

You may be the antichrist. So just do another line. You'll be fine. A little hair of the dog. No problem here. That was my loving man. After two days, that boy blew another line. He was at work the next day.

Jesus Christ. Okay. man after two days that boy blew another line he was at work the next day jesus christ okay so kevin finds out about the affair that tabitha's having with keith cromwell and he doesn't give a shit because he's a monster oh he absolutely cares a lot he's super busy it's one thing if you're paying for it and the chick's gonna be gone in 10 minutes it's another thing if you're And the chick's going to be gone in 10 minutes. It's another thing if you're fucking the same person repeatedly. She's an employee. That's his thoughts anyway. I don't love her. That's the difference.

His thoughts are, he's really parsing fucking morals here. I mean, that is, you're splitting moral hairs hard on this shit. He's treating his sexual, like it's a cheeseburger because he bought it. Whereas this is uh enjoyment exactly so um he deduced from his from her cell phone bills that she was having an affair and promptly threatened to kill her also so i will fucking kill you if you have an affair on me so between july so he hired a private investigator between juneth and July 1st, 2003. On seven occasions, the private investigator tailed Tabitha as she snuck out to visit Keith in a two week period every two days, every two days.

Yeah. And that's only when he was following her. Right. He proved conclusively that she was having an affair. And Kevin thought she was unfit to be a mother if she's having an affair. You are doing coke off of fucking hookers in your office in the middle of the day. What are you talking about? With a coke hooker as your clerk. Wow. You have zero more ground, man. A madam, for Christ's sake.

A madam slash prostitute. Wow. After each day and evening of surveillance, he would give Kevin a call and report the activities. He gave him a full report. He told Kevin that she was with her boyfriend and showed her a tape, a fucking videotape of them. God damn it. Showing them meeting. It looked like cheaters showing the meeting in a shopping plaza, walking and holding hands together, getting into a car with him and then going to his house.

Meaning Keith's house. So nine days after he watched the video, July 11th, he files for divorce. Kevin does. Okay. That's fair. Logical. Yeah. Fine.

This obviously isn't working here. He's sober today. Logical, yeah. Fine. This obviously isn't working here. He's sober today. Now, Cassidy said this, to quote, I looked at Kevin and said,

I don't understand why you're taking this so personal. I don't think Cassidy understands human beings, really. Cassidy really has a laissez-faire approach to sex. How do you think Cassidy was raised? literally how was she raised because either she's only 21 yeah it's it's yeah either a stuff shirt church fucking oriented thing yeah or or dad was banging hookers in front of this is this is probably dad was probably banging her i think this is this that. Yeah, I think this is a very, very bad damaged girl. We're only just twenty one, twenty two when this is. Yeah.

And personal interaction like that is just it doesn't matter. Yeah. Well, she's also logical here. I've said I said, quote, you've got prostitutes coming in the door 24 seven and you're worried about a suspicion of her having sex with another man. And he said, oh, that's different. I'm just having sex with these women. But she's actually in love with this guy. There it is.

There it is. So he at that point begins plotting to get rid of Keith Cromwell. Well, Cyril said, quote, Kevin was livid and started getting obsessed with getting rid of keith kevin kept saying that he wanted to kill keith every time kevin brought up the subject cassie and i told him that he would get caught and that they were better there were better ways to handle it how is the fucking voice of reason the voice of reason exactly just got booted out of the army after a month this guy passed the bar and you got a voice of reason so then after a while kevin started moving he said why am i mad at keith for what am i mad at him for should be mad at my wife i made a commitment she made a commitment to me not

keith i don't even know keith you shouldn't be mad at anybody kevin no your life is insane take a good piss and as you wash your hands look up that's the guy and if she wasn't fucking that this guy she'd be fucking somebody all up in your plans is what it is too she'd be stopping by the office unannounced and shit while you got five women up there right give me a break she'd definitely cramp your style so so he talked honestly it'd be somebody else anyway. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing.

She doesn't like him. She's not happy with him. She's going to figure something out. So he, Kevin, would talk with Cassidy and Cyril about. Now, Cyril's her fucking brother, mind you. He's in the house because Tabitha invited him. Yeah, you only know him because of her. But Kevin is talking to Cassidy and Cyril about getting rid of her.

He wants to plant cocaine in her car. What if I buy some coke and we put it in her car, then we call the cops on her and have her get pulled over and arrested? That way I'll get a divorce, I'll get custody of the kids, and she won't get shit because she's a dirty cokehead. And I'll do this to your sister. How do you feel? Yeah, how about that so then everything got really weird when tabitha kicked cyril and cassidy out of the house okay yeah i guess uh tabitha accused cyril of stealing two thousand dollars because of his coke addiction i guess it wasn't the first time things have gone missing and i guess her atm

card got taken and there was a thing like that. So she said, get the fuck out of the house. Okay. So Kevin, at this point offers Cyril $5,000 and half of Tabitha's $10,000 life insurance policy to kill, to, to kill Tabitha, his sister. He said, will you kill your sister for me? You know how she just kicked you out? Yes. What a bitch, right?

What a bitch, exactly. I'll give you five grand to get rid of her. That's right. So Cyril said, I don't want to do that. He dragged his feet. Things kind of got worse between Tabitha and Kevin. Kevin threatened to kill her right to her face and Cassidy said

she fucking gave it right back. Cassidy said she'd be like, go ahead, I'm going to kill you too. I'd like to see you try because I know where you sleep. She always had a comeback. She never let him get the best of her. She's tough, man. This is as a little girl when she's in punishment

she's like, I like it here. That's how she is. So during Memorial Day weekend, Kevin and his parents visited his sister in New Hampshire, and Tabitha visited family as well. Cyril and Cassidy moved out and moved in with their friends in a trailer in West Bloomfield. Yeah. Was it on routes 5 and 20? I think it was 5 and 20. Yeah.

You know the place yeah where they started using and selling way more coke of course now they can yeah um cyril said that he told kevin i told him i needed a vacation and i wanted to get away from the ruckus cassidy's though said that cyril and tabitha fought when he'd over drew her ATM card and Tabitha fucking kicked him out. That's that. So Kevin's efforts now, he really wants to kill Tabitha. At one point, a comment was made to Kevin by one of their sons that are no by another child who had seen Tabitha's boyfriend keith at the son's daycare yeah a little boy at his son's daycare walked up to him and said and asked if he was his son's other daddy and he went she's gonna die and he walked out i'm killing her for that

i gotta be honest i've felt it man yeah but that's if if they were divorced and you know there's a lot of ifs and yeah a lot of yeah i was out of the house when that should happen if she's in my house and that should happen that's different we got a problem if you're actually apart thank you little buddy i'm gonna murder that woman. Thank you. You have blood on your hands now. Go along. Run along now. You're an accomplice, motherfucker. Wow. So that evening, Kevin confronts her about this comment. A five-year-old told me this.

Oh, God. And told her that she's not allowed to sleep in the bed anymore and fucking pull out the sofa. Yeah. Literally, there's a sofa bed thing. So she does that. Go sleep on that thin mattress in Springs. And after that, for the next week literally there's a sofa bed thing so she does that mattress and springs and after that for the next week she's on the mattress in the in the living room there um jesus christ so the next day after he kicked her out onto the couch yeah he of course had a tryst in his office with an escort and kevin asked the escort's boyfriend who by the way was there

what the fuck kevin asked him what kind of work are you what line of work are you in i'm in the line of work of taking my girlfriend to blow strangers that's the kind of work i'm in obviously i'm literally coach yeah wow so this this particular young lady uh said that kevin was one of her clients they'd meet at at uh group coke and sex scenes at local motels you know when you run into people just at the local motel six group sex coke party i hope he had this question and conversation uh question answer period with him while he was not buried inside the dude's girlfriend he just came i think was what happened he was like ah let me ask you tony what are you doing that's crazy but then again you know looking at it hold on let me look through my phone because, yep, I think, yeah, about a third of my contacts I met at group coke sex, group sex coke parties at motels.

So, you know what? Never mind. This is normal. I have subgroups in my phone under Red Roof Inn and La Quinta. Well, the parties are way different at the different motels, obviously. Everybody, this is showbiz, you have to understand. So, we get the good motels with the good group sex coke parties. You know, it's really cool.

Yeah, they put the ho in hojo. Oh, baby. Not in hotel, I know that. It's a motel. So she was impressed by Kevin, this lady, though. She said she knew he had a bad heart and had some surgery. She saw the scars on his chest. She said she was impressed by how little he was.

Yeah. Yeah. That's impressive. That's impressive. He's like, yeah, look at that. He's getting along. Impressed by my short stature. She saw him get in the car and she was impressed he didn't use a phone book to sit on anything.

She was like, this is pretty impressive. He does everything like normal size people wow that's weird impressive so uh one time in the summer of 2003 here jennifer was doing an out call at kevin's office he was coming to blow him so he talked to her as he had done with other people his plans to violently end his marriage. Wow. Kevin told her that he'd pay her $500 up front for the purchase of a good piece and $4,500 later when the job was done. So she asked him, are you planning on killing your wife? Is that what this is about? And he said, yeah, totally.

Hill, now the boyfriend member who was asked about, what do you do? He said, quote, I told him I did construction work. He asked if I did any demolition work. I kind of laughed at him and asked what he meant. He said he asked if I could terminate his wife. Do you ever tear anything down? They're like a little woman, like a tiny woman. How about that?

I asked him why he was going to kill his kid's mom. He said that she had crossed him and he couldn't deal with it. Hill said he took the 500 up front from him and he promised another 5,000. But he was like, I just never went back. Fuck himself. What's he going to do? He's 5'2". I'm not afraid of this guy.

That's all it was. The young lady here said she was no longer in the mood to become intimate with Kevin after he had said he wanted to kill his wife. And she was creeped out by the proposition as well to kill for him. Later, while Jennifer took a walk, Kevin again asked the guy, are you sure you won't do it? And that's when he said, yeah, sure. And he took the 500 bucks and said, fuck off. They said they used the money to pay rent. We put it down on our fucking house so july 11 2003 she's been on the couch for six days yeah or four days at this point and it's a friday she came home tabitha comes home from work crying

and she said she had a big blowout with kevin on thursday is what one of her friends said she said kevin was forcing her to go to marriage counseling or she would lose the boys. So she didn't know, Tabitha, that Kevin had gotten an attorney and already filed divorce papers. She hasn't been served yet. Oh, boy. So she, on Saturday, told her colleagues at the bank that she had agreed to stop seeing her boyfriend and go to counseling. her colleagues at the bank that she had agreed to stop seeing her boyfriend and go to counseling kevin's parents said um they knew there were problems but they didn't um they basically they didn't know what the problems were he said he was mad at tabitha and they'd say why and she he told

them that he likes to she likes to stay out late and go line dancing with Cyril. That's all it is. That's a problem? That's a problem. Ginny, Tabitha's mom, said, I knew she was worried about Kevin. She was worried about Cyril. She was worried about pretty much everything, but she never got specific. I never asked. I figured if she wanted to tell me, she would.

July 13, 2003, here. Okay. She lays down on the couch that night. Tabby. Tabby does. Kevin is upstairs in bed, according to him, reading a Tom Clancy novel. Oh, he's one of those guys. So, yeah.

He's all pissed off, obviously. Yeah. This night, Cyril kept calling. Kevin and Cyril kept talking to each other this night on the phone. This night is supposed to be the night. They talk back and forth, and then Cyril shows up with a.22 caliber rifle. Yeah. With the letters CG burned into the handle, burned into the stock,

because that's Cassidy Green, because Cassidy's dad gave it to her as a Christmas present. Wow. It's for squirrel hunting. Cyril gets out of the car and walks up to the house to the sliding glass door that Kevin said he would leave open for him. Yeah. And it was locked. And it was locked. So Cyril and Cassidy had to go to a gas station where Cassidy uses a pay phone to make a collect call to Kevin's cell phone while Cyril is in the car snorting Coke.

Okay. They come back to the house. Kevin says, come back over. It'll all be set for you. They get back to the house. The garage door is wide open now. Oh. He just said, fuck unlocking the back door. Garage door wide open. The back door is a pain in the house. The garage door is wide open now. Oh. He just said, fuck unlocking the back door. Garage door wide open.

The back door is a pain in the ass. Let's make it mad obvious to everyone on the street. Let's make it to anybody who drives by that there's something up here at midnight. The house is wide open. So then the door from the garage into the house is unlocked. Cyril goes into the family room where he finds Tabitha. And that's what Kevin said. She'll be in the family room there. finds tabitha and that's what kevin said she'll be on the family

room there um she's on the pullout sofa there's a she's got a purple afghan over her uh cyril says this as you look from the foot of the beds tabitha was the bed tabitha was sleeping on her side facing to the left i could see tabitha's face and i looked at her sleeping and i realized that she was my sister. He doesn't know who he is half the time, so this is coming from him. Very impressive. I was having a hard time with the fact that I was there to kill my own sister and I started thinking that I couldn't do it. And then I realized she just kicked me out.

And then he lowered a rifle, the.22 down, and shot her in the eye, in the right eye. The bullet broke into two pieces and exited her skull in two places. He says this, quote, Tabitha started screaming and I freaked out. I grabbed a large butcher knife from the rack in the kitchen and ran back into the living room. Tabitha was still on the pullout bed and I started stabbing her. I'm not sure how many times I stabbed her, but I remember stabbing her in the throat and how she started rolling around on the bed. I was stabbing her as she rolled and kept going until she stopped moving and stopped screaming.

Cyril. Cyril. Holy shit. That is a horrible murder. Once Tabitha had stopped screaming, then he hears bump, bump, bump, bump down the stairs. Here comes Kevin with an envelope containing $5,000 and $100 bills. Right away, payment.

Here you go. I mean, payment on completion, I guess. My God. Cyril takes it, gets back out in the car with Cassidy, as we'll talk about, and Kevin calls 911. Uh-huh. It's midnight and five seconds when he calls 911. Okay.

Now, he said, by the way, everybody says it's a completely detached voice that he has on the phone, which a lot of people said he's kind of like that. But still, he calls and they say 911 and he says, 911. I love how he repeats this. 911, people I called. 911, there's been a shooting and someone has been shot. My wife has been shot. I heard someone screaming, Jesus Christ, there's blood all over the place, he says. This is not great. This isn't a good, when they analyze people's 911 calls, whether they're telling the right information and being truthful, this is not a good one. He didn't start with my address. Yeah, location. We've got gotta get people there right away kevin bryant this is my address this is what's going on yeah need help right now ambulance lots of blood bleeding help her some very vague of who the person is and then my wife like that yeah has been shot suspect yeah yeah um they said your wife's been shot and he

said yes they said who shot your wife and he said i don't know i didn't see anybody yeah so then they said where is she shot and he says it looks like the throat and they said does she have a pulse and he said uh no let me see i do not feel one nope but they said it was less than a second pause between let me see and nope that's why i did it fast like that he goes let me see no they were like how did you feel they said that didn't seem like there was enough time to feel for anything he just said no yeah he and he called before even checking on her like even seeing like her condition i'm not sure where she shot. I'm not sure. I don't know if she's alive.

So they kept him on the phone. The 911 operator realized it was important to keep asking him questions. He said his name. I'm Kevin C. Bryant. I'm 45 years old because that's what she was asking. His wife's name was Tabitha. So they said that 911 operator said they're used to dealing with people who are kind of hysterical when they call, you know, for dead loved ones.

Yeah, especially their wife. But they said that he was not at all. She said he wasn't hysterical. She actually thought he spoke in a strangely calm voice as he explained that he'd been reading a Tom Clancy thriller upstairs when he heard noises coming from the living room. Tom's got me in a real trance. I get in a Tom hole, you know how that goes. He said, I heard my wife shout, oh my God. And that was that.

I came downstairs, which again, not great. When you start explaining your alibi to the 911 operator, that's usually a bad sign. So then he said he heard gunshots and screaming in a car outside pulling away he said one of his sons was startled by the sounds and told his dad that something he heard a noise so he said he immediately went downstairs found his wife dead on the pullout couch and um you know i called you yeah she said trancy i'm in a clancy trancy is there anyone who might have wanted to hurt your wife?

And he said, she has a boyfriend and a friend that we've been having some difficulty in trying to resolve the situation. And I don't know. She may have had a, and he trails off. Wow. So 911 operator says she had a boyfriend. And he says, well, a friend. I don't, I don't. And the 911 operator said, your wife had a friend. And he says, well, a friend. I don't. I don't. And one operator said, your wife had a friend.

And he says, yes. Was she having a problem with him? And he says, I don't know. I didn't inquire. I wanted to try to. And then she cuts him off. How old is your wife? 26.

Where are you now? I'm sitting right on the bed. She was asleep on the couch. I was sleeping upstairs. Can you send an ambulance? Could you send an ambulance? Should have been one. People, help.

Stuff. Fucking bring your best fucking tape because she is fucked up. She had a boyfriend. She's also sleeping on the couch. Indicates we have troubles in our marriage. Shit ain't going right. Exactly. And I'm not doing well with this interview.

This is going poorly. And I'm not doing well with this interview. This is going poorly. And I'm not even being interrogated by a cop. This is the 911 operator. And I got my story straight. I'm already dipping my cards. Wow. At one point, the operator thought she heard him yawn. Oh, my God.

A little sleepy. Can you hurry up? This is mad boring. Oh, man. Can you hurry up? This is mad boring. Oh, man. Let me tell you something, boy. I got an early day tomorrow. I'm going to turn in. I'll leave her out on the front lawn and try not to disturb me.

Can you have them be real quiet? I'm a late sleeper. Holy shit. I got a lot of stuff going on tomorrow so she said were there any weapons in the house he said not that i know of and they said you know stay on the line until people arrive and all that no sirens i'm tired i'm tired seriously keep the fuck down it's late so uh what ended up happening on the other side of that with Cyril and Cassidy as they leave there? She has a pink money Carlo, by the way.

Hell yeah. That she driven into their circle and it's a cul-de-sac driven into the driveway there. It's her driving and it's Cassidy driving and Cyril in the drivers in the passenger seat. They said she was disheveled and, you know, there, basically. Cyril ends up fucking... By the way, she said also that he had smacked her, Cyril had smacked her around that night as well. She said he was wearing a T-shirt with a dragon on it

and a leather jacket, and he had a.22 Marlin Glenfield rifle with her initials burned in the stock there in 2005 2004 it's that affliction across the chest absolutely super fucking affliction embroidered dragon with fucking jewels on it awful oh god terrible with rhinestones fucking sewn onto it glued onto it. So once the killing is done, he comes out covered in blood. I mean, he stabbed her a lot, as we'll talk about. So they wanted to get cigarettes, but she didn't have her ID on her,

and she looks like a child. Right. So she's like, no one's going to sell me cigarettes. What do I do? He's like, well, look at me. I can't fucking go into a place. I can't go in there, yeah. I look like fucking, Jesus Christ. I look like I need a cigarette.

He's basic and fucking carry. And I just was at the prom for fuck's sake. Look at me. I'm a disaster. So she said, well, I brought spare clothes for you. Oh, that was nice. Because, well, aren't you handy dandy? So he changed.

He goes in and gets cigarettes. That's pretty helpful. She also brought clothes for herself, too. But she said she always had clothes around. She never knew when she would be staying overnight somewhere, all that kind of thing. So they pull into a gas station. They get beer and cigarettes. He cracks open a beer, and they smoke some cigarettes.

Then they pull over in another gas station parking lot because they can't wait until they get home to do coke, even though that was the plan. Wow. do coke even though that was the plan wow so then once they do coke they head out and go the wrong fucking direction and see exits to go in the wrong way so they end up she ends up pulling off they're all coked up and shit so who knows what's going on drunk jesus christ so she takes the wrong exit she ends up in their neighborhood again she made a u-turn the only place don't go go to canada go to ohio go to pennsylvania one place you don't go back to their fucking house and that's where she was in a pink monte carlo in a pink monte carlo so as they're driving around cyril throws the bloody knife out the window that'll never be recovered by the way even though they know where it roughly where it is, it's never recovered.

Wow. So police arrive at the crime scene. They said from the outside you could tell that it looked like a fine house, as we showed you, but little weird things. It's mid-July, and there's still fake snow on the door from Christmastime. Yeah, that shit's still around. No one took a fucking paper towel and just wiped that shit off in seven months which is that says something about what's going on inside the house so that was weird neighbors said they had heard a commotion on the street earlier in the evening a lot of yelling but they couldn't tell which house it had come from and it died down early

in the evening so they don't know what's going on. The sheriffs arrive here, Monroe County Sheriff's Office. They get there at 1208. So they said, yeah, they said there was no, you have to cross the lawn to get there. There's no walk up from the driveway. They came in through the front door. Straight ahead is a hallway that leads to the kitchen. You look to the left, they saw the living room.

The living room rug was red as fuck, but not from blood. It was just, you know, weird. They thought that was an odd choice for a living room rug. Then they saw Tabitha on the fold-out couch, and they said, okay, get the family out of the house. Kevin calls his parents, who came over to pick up the boys. The kids don't need to be there the sheriff's deputies seal the the house and kevin will sit outside for the next few hours

in his shorts uh every once in a while dry heaving just bending over and acting like he's throwing up here so they process the house obviously um they um kevin wanted to leave with his dad and the boys, but they said no. Fuck you out of stay, dude. You're very important to this. You got to answer some questions, buddy. So they talked to him. He's outside. The two deputies accompanying him said that he would dry heave once in a while.

One of them said that they kind of grilled him a little bit. The neighbors could see him out there throwing up and all that kind of shit. And they said, Kevin was answering the questions patiently, but from time to time

he'd have to excuse himself so he could convulse again and dry heave. So now Tabitha, they said she's still on the couch. Her face is covered in blood. She's been shot in the eye, for Christ's sake. They said very noticeable stab wound in the neck where there was a gaping and still look like still oozing wound.

There's also a wound to her eye. They said the largest wound turned out to be the back of her head, which was an exit wound, but that wasn't apparent at first. They said it was horribly violent. Blood had spattered and there's blood spatter everywhere. Lampshade, nearby table, on the walls, on the ceiling fan. My God. Because he stabbed her and picked it up and that's how blood spatters. They said the throat wound looked like it severed the jugular. They said that the killer had obviously been frenzied and stabbed the victim many times in a short period of time. And that's pretty obvious.

So they said that she'd been shot once in the eye and stabbed 14 times in the neck and upper body with a butcher knife. My God. Semen was found on her body. What? Yeah. Fresh? Like it happened now? Oh, no. It was there at some body. What? Yeah. Fresh? Like it happened now? Oh, no.

It was there at some point. They found semen. So somehow there's semen on her during that night, but they for a long time couldn't match the DNA. It was checked against Cromwell and checked against her husband, and it belonged to neither of them. Not her boyfriend or her husband. So it's not Searles. He didn't jerk off on her he was all coked up so we don't know what's going on so they said that um they said it couldn't have been post-mortem unless one of the cops did it or something so they said what the fuck was happening that night what is going on a forensic pathologist said that she died of the stab wounds not not the gunshot wounds. Oh, God damn it.

Yep. They said she was alive for that. They said that, man, it was awful. It was a really violent attack, shot in the right eye, and just stabbed so much. Gunpowder residue was found around the eye wound, meaning that the muzzle of the rifle was within six inches of her eye. They said that is obviously awful. They said that the gunshot wound was a significant contributing factor in the death, but 14 stab wounds in the neck and back made it a lot quicker. That'll do it, yeah.

She suffered wounds to two blood vessels in her brain as well as damage to her trachea, esophagus, lungs, heart, aorta, liver, spleen, stomach, all of those. Her obliterated her all of her organs. Jesus Christ. They said so in the living room. It's just blood fucking everywhere. It looks like a horror movie.

They said in the kitchen, though, there are droplets leading down the hall and across the kitchen. It appeared the killer had been dripping blood as they made their exit from the house. So they're hoping maybe this person cut their hand while stabbing her and left a blood trail so they can get some DNA on. Turns out it's her blood.

Wow. Yeah, so they're searching the carpets for blood stains and they said it's a crimson rug. It's the color of blood, the rug. So it's very difficult to figure it out. And all these specks of blood have to be identified and tested and typed and you know you have to build a model of this room basically so they looked carefully for shit all over the house they were also looking for they found several drops in the kitchen and around other places

they really were paying attention to the locations near the sources of water yeah someone go and wash up because when they showed up kevin doesn't have a drop of blood on him not drop because he wasn't so they're like yeah they're like either because if it's not they are most suspicious of him but he looks clean so they're like he maybe he washed up and took longer than he said to call 9-1-1 but they said they couldn't find anything at the time around the faucets or anything um if blood had been found the time around the faucets or anything. If blood had been found on or near the faucets, then they would have really sat Kevin down and said, listen, pal, you're full of shit.

So Kevin, they said, you know, was very small. So they said he had lifelong vulnerability to physical threats and things like that. They said he had lifelong vulnerability to physical threats and things like that. So he was trying to, you know, play the card that he was not, you know, a big macho guy. Yeah, but they also said they got the feeling like he was trying to overcompensate in other ways. So they said also maybe he, maybe they had a, they just were suspicious that he was lying. But one of the cops, when they were talking about it, said, look at this fucking guy. He's 5'2", he's a tiny little guy. What if it was happening and he ran and hid because he was scared and he couldn't do anything about it?

And now he's telling us that he was asleep and didn't know because he's embarrassed that he fucking ran and hid while his wife was being killed. So do you think that's a possibility? And they went, that's a possibility? That seems definitely possible. They said maybe he went downstairs and the killers left the house before he went downstairs or maybe he was waiting upstairs as they cleaned up.

Who knows? So they don't know. They have to figure it out. They said apparently with a gun and a knife he would have gotten bloody and there's no indication that he had blood on him. So they're like it's a long stretch for it to be him that did it so yeah they're they're suspicious of that they give the house a once over and notice nothing recognizable to throw any doubt on his story except that it didn't make sense so they bring him in and interrogate him oh boy and he is candid about all the details of his marriage because he has to be.

He's a lawyer. He fucking knows that's going to come out. And you got to be like, oh, yeah, our marriage was wild. It was fucking crazy. But that doesn't mean I killed her. So he talked openly about having threesomes with his wife and other women, admitted he was angry when his wife had a boyfriend, and said that he refused when his wife had a boyfriend and said that he refused

when his wife suggested a threesome with her boyfriend. You guys want to Eiffel Tower me quick? That's where I draw the line. That is where it gets untoward at that point. Surplus a pussy, fine. Surplus a dicks, no sir.

No sir. that's his policy at one point he suggested to the cops that i bet you it's that keith cromwell who did it that's her boyfriend i don't trust him so yeah he said that he grew frustrated when the investigators repeated the same questions about the evening over and over again he said either arrest me or fucking let me leave i'm done answering i've answered your questions five times so they let him leave yeah uh but then again they were like yeah let him go let's let's talk about the other people they go they find cassidy and they know that cassidy and cyril had been living there and you know filed papers for her and all that sort of thing.

So a week after the murder, undercover police officers make two undercover purchases of Coke from Cassidy Green. Hell yeah. Then they arrest her and they go, yeah, you're looking at some time. I mean, Coke, that's a rough one. You're selling Coke. Unless you might know something that we don't know about this particular thing. Then this all can go away. You are sub five foot.

You are going to do terrible in prison. Or great, depending on how you're looking at it. She said, I'd love to tell you every fucking thing I know. Have you heard about this murder? Let me tell you something. So she said she distanced herself. But then when they tracked down Cyril, he implicated her and said, no, no, she was there with me the whole time and everything like that. So then she confessed that she played a larger role and said exactly what happened here.

So she's changed her story several times. She did like the started out with no responsibility and then added 10 percent every time. Like if you've seen the Gypsy Rose confession, exactly what she did. Started oh my god my mom's dead even know and then it went to i didn't have any access to the internet well my mom had a laptop i used once in a while well i used her phone actually i had a pad i had my own tablet and every single thing went down that line of just 10 more every time and that's what she did too um so they finally uh they had a murder charge against her too then they were they decide to um they said you'll get a charge of manslaughter if we think you're being truthful oh boy we'll give you that otherwise you get murder again so now

kevin they go ahead and arrest kevin now they have witnesses and the actual murderer is admitting to it. So the pastor of the Community of Christ Church, where they went to church, said, the only reaction I have is one of shock and disbelief. His name is Stacy. His name is Michael, unfortunately. Oh, all right. They got a man. Yeah, but he'll never make it. He's just got to be an interim or something.

He'll never make it. He's just got to be an interim or something. And his sister said, quote, the family feels that Kevin is innocent and we're fully behind him. We cannot believe anyone thinks he's behind this horrible tragedy. She is very well unaware of what Kevin's been doing. Wow. She said, we just hope the truth comes out and Kevin is cleared. Oh, you don't want all the truth coming out.

We know too much already. It's a lot. So the prosecutor here, Joanne Winslow, she said that she believes that the, she thinks that they all fed off each other, Kevin, Cyril, and Cassidy. She said that the three would have been hard-pressed to carry out the homicide on their own, any one of them. But you put all three of them together and they form some kind of dipshit voltron that they could fucking take things on here so they said yeah big huge one said by throwing but thrown together their personalities morphed into this horrible thing she said certainly cyril was a dangerous and violent person but you have to you have to wonder whether it would have turned out that way the way it did without the other two yeah she said that um the personalities of them combined to commit homicides there's cyril to fellow lawyers and family members he's a meek

little guy with health problems and you know but to clients he flash wads of money. He talked big. He made them believe he was connected with the mob. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, guys, I know this. I know that. Yeah.

Now, Cyril, they said he's intelligent but unstable, eager to please and angry over being fucking booted out of the house. And the army and everywhere else. Yeah. Also, Cassidy had just dumped him the day before and said she had another boyfriend as well oh cassidy here she just saw there's some money that i can get out of this i think and she wanted to resume her life with her former fiance oh my god so the media coverage is huge for this, obviously. Oh, this is fascinating. This is sex, lies, marriage.

This is the best 2020 ever written. Oh, my God. It's perfect. It's got every element of a salacious fucking story. It really does. There's nobody to like. Yeah, it's nobody. It's hard. I mean, Tabitha, you kind of like her.

You can't be too mad at her. She went on her own way and was ready to get out of there her husband's fucking four girls at once she's like i guess i'll look for somebody to date like what are we doing here so i don't blame her she's going along with the shit too trying to yeah she's being a gamer yeah she's like yeah let her blow you i'll put my tits in your face that's a fucking gamer right there just love me god damn it you want to talk about ride or die wow um that is crazy level of ride or die but it's just so it's so dirty the whole thing is just so grimy it feels so bad so her friend from work jack jack uh jackie sims yeah says what but it's spelled like

jack jack way so i was like is that that Jackie? Q U E. Exactly. She said, what bothered me after all the stuff came out about her lifestyle and her boyfriend was that people who were her customers would come into the bank and say, geez, we thought we knew her. I told them you did know her. Don't judge her by what you know about the last six months of her life. You don't know what anybody's doing sexually. How about talking about you don't know her? And that that's fine you don't know what gets anybody off and by the way why should you know what gets bank employees off right none of your fucking business the bank i go to is two 65 year old ladies i don't want to know two they're like 75 i don't want to know how they get off i

don't i have no fucking interest in it. None. If I hear it was some weird shit, I'm going to go, good for them. They seem pretty boring, but good for them. There are coke addicts in this world. There are sex addicts in this world. You don't know all of them. Sorry. You don't know them.

It's just how it works. Don't ask your mailman what he does a high school classmate of of kevin said all of all the school's bullies drug users and dropouts could have been tied up in a murder plot nobody from uh the area would have been surprised but kevin was a hard worker and a good student and i remember his friend that said i'm surprised i'm not surprised he ended up as a lawyer yeah there was a second part to that that i didn't say in the beginning but he said i'm not surprised that he up as a lawyer. There was a second part to that that I didn't say in the beginning, but he said, I'm not surprised that he ended up a lawyer. I am surprised that he was involved in a murder. So shocking.

Tabitha's friends and family feel betrayed here. Tabitha's cousin said, I've never felt so betrayed. So, yeah. So she felt betrayed. So her childhood friend of hers said that her kids called her Aunt Tabby. And yeah, she said it's just horrible. She said the boys that she had, they must be heartbroken too. They've lost their mommy in the physical sense forever.

And their father, who by his own choice will be punished for the actions he freely made on his own. I hope his old roommate thinks about what he called her a while ago. Yeah, yeah. She's a piece of shit. Piece of shit. That's what I mean. Who is this fucking guy? Wow, man.

So Tabitha's friends said they're upset at the legacy that Tabitha left to those who didn't know her. Her friend Kathy, who worked with her, said, I think she'd be disappointed. She knew that she knew what she was doing was wrong in the eyes of her faith, and that was a very big struggle for her. Didn't sound like it was that much of a struggle for her. Get the fuck

out of here. This is a desperate woman who tried to save her marriage. But what is Jesus going to think, Jimmy? I don't care because my husband's fucking four prostitutes right now. So Jesus walked out about 20 minutes ago. He said, this is too much for me. He also hates divorce, and I'm trying not to do that. So let me be.

Yeah, what do you want from me exactly? Jesus. Her friend said, we're certainly not condoning some of the things she was doing, but that was tabby. It just doesn't seem that someone had the right to kill her. No, obviously not. Jesus. Her other friend said, we know where Tabby is, and that makes all the difference in the world, meaning that she's in heaven. Her friend said, sometimes I wonder why God didn't protect her, but I know he didn't leave her alone that night. Well, he should have fucking maybe stopped the stabbing then.

What are we talking about? Jesus Christ. night well he should have fucking maybe stopped the stabbing then yeah i got a reason what are we talking about jesus christ so cyril said cassie came into the bedroom and told me that she had talked to kevin on the phone and that it had to be taken care of today i knew that cassie was talking about tabitha but cassidy denied ever ever being in on this whole thing enough here um she was like no no it was all them planning and i was just there all i wanted to do was get back with my fiancee tito mcmahon oh tito which sounds like a vince mcmahon joke like i'm tito mcmahon now timothy tito mcmahon we filled tito mcmahon's We filled Tito McMahon's car with concrete. Oh, man. Yeah, Tito's filled it all up. Now let's drink beers.

So when Kevin called Cyril at the mobile home that night where Cassidy and Cyril lived, Cassidy said that she told Cyril came and said, we have to do the killing tonight. Then he beat the shit out of her, threatened to kill her and himself with a sword, and then had her call Kevin to arrange the details. Not only do you have to come, I need you to do the fucking legwork on it. She said he was like, call Kevin and tell him we're on our way and that we're coming up there and find out where he's put the money. I was like, I don't want nothing to do with this. And he was like, you've got something to do with it now.

I'm not buying any of this shit. She said when they arrived, Cyril took the keys from the ignition while she tried to talk him out of killing Tabitha. Yeah, because you're going to leave. Yeah. Don't leave me fucked over here. She said he told me that if I move from the car that both of us, meaning her and Tabitha, would be buried together. And he didn't have enough money for two funerals, so don't make things more complicated than it already was. He got the gun out of the car

and he said, I don't think you would want to be buried in the same pine box, so just behave. I'll be right back. Wow. Her attorney says he fully believes her versions of the events. Her attorney said the other guy cyril was cold and evil believe me he's a scary guy and then he says though without cyril this would never have happened without brian he's the one who said i want my wife killed and cassie she went along with it after cyril pounded her so um now they all think that cassidy the prosecuting attorney thinks that cassidy manipulated Cyril into doing it for the money.

She said, we need the fucking money over there and kill that fucking girl. But it's my sister. I don't care. Yeah. So she this this lawyer said Cyril submitted or substituted Cassie's will for his independent intelligence. He got led around by Cassie, who was really the strong party here. If Cyril Weinbrenner were left to his own devices, this would have never happened. He was a malleable guy.

Cassidy had him wrapped around her little finger, not to paint her as the devil incarnate. He clearly had the power to say no. He had more than the power to say fucking no. If he was willing to beat the shit out of her as they say then he was willing to fucking say no he had the realization that this is his sister when he aimed the rifle at her fucking face that's what he said at any moment exactly fuck yeah that's exactly right here so uh it's a it's a mess obviously kevin's attorneys said that his argument is that

Cyril killed Tabitha and he had nothing to do with it. I don't know what the hell's going on here. That's that. One friend from high school said he wonders what went wrong. Kevin used to be a nerd and now what happened? He said, I realize that people change, but there had to have been some major psychological

meltdown for Kevin to be capable of that. No, the man wanted to get laid in high school and he couldn't. And it fucking exploded later when he was successful and he could afford it and get it done. Well, you just didn't know that's what was in his brain before because he couldn't do it. Once he could do it, then you then you find out what's in people's brains at that point, what they want to do. So the prosecutor said that they're going to call these witnesses, including a neighbor of Cassidy and Cyril from a trailer park there, who's expected to testify that they were usually broke,

but were suddenly had shit loads of cash and material goods right after the slaying. They went wild with five grand, five grand and a hundred dollar bills. Tabitha's boyfriend here, Keith, um, he is expected to verify medical records that he was intimate with her shortly before she was killed. So they're saying that maybe that's what it was, even though originally they said they hadn't seen each other for days.

And another thing, an acquaintance of Kevin Bryant is saying that Bryant wanted to buy a gun to kill his wife and gave him $500 for a 38 caliber that was never delivered. Yeah. Now they go to Cyril and they say, let's make a deal with Cyril. Yeah. They said that he had faced the death penalty here, but he agreed to plead guilty to first degree murder and testify against Kevin in exchange for a prison sentence of no less than 20 years and no more than 25 to life. So then, out of nowhere before Kevin's trial, Cyril suddenly demanded a prison term with a fixed number of years. Tell me exactly how much time I'm doing.

Yeah, 25 to life is too... That's a little vague. Yeah, I'll end up with... Let's make a deal. I'll end up with the goat and serve entire life here this is no good jesus they said well that sentence can only be accomplished by a plea to manslaughter and uh later on he said okay fine i'll plead guilty to second degree murder and i'll take 15 to life and the prosecutor said nope we've had enough never mind and tore up his fucking agreement we don't need your testimony fuck off just try you how's that that's it that's also kevin's court here kevin in court his defense

is to attack the credibility of both cassidy and cyril who are easy to attack sure they're fucking cokehead dirtbags she came in for a pussy llc for christ's sake and he's been booted out of the fucking army it's so easy it's fucking wild so wild. So Keith Cromwell, he testifies. He said he knew Tabitha was married, knew she had two children before he started seeing her. Said that the relationship grew intimate. And at one point, he said he took Tabitha to his nephew's graduation party. He would take her sons to lunch who were ages three and five. He said, we did lots of things

together he said that that uh the last time they had sex was three days before she killed she was killed so he wasn't the seaman so they test she also he also testified that the affair continued right up until her death and uh he said he last talked to her on the phone at 1145 p.m., which is right when it happened. He said he learned the next morning that someone had been killed on her street. And he tried to reach her and left a message on her cell phone. And then he found out he was she had been killed. So he called 9-1-1 and was like, you guys are going to want to talk to me for sure. Yeah.

And so, you know, they said, yeah, go talk to the detectives. Talk to me for sure. Yeah. And so, you know, they said, yeah, go talk to the detectives. Another testimony, other testimony from the cops here. A sheriff's deputy said he recovered a fragment from a bullet that apparently passed through Tabitha's head, a foam mattress and a red wall to wall carpet before being lodged in the carpet pad. Wow. Got that piece.

Cassidy is the star witness. Yeah. Cassidy is the star witness. Yeah. Cassidy said about Cyril, or about Kevin when she talked to him on the phone, I told him that everything was locked and he said to come back and that everything would be taken care of and to send Cyril up to talk to him when he was done. So she said she sat in the car while Cyril went inside with the rifle, and she said the shot went off. She said she heard it. She said it sounded like a small champagne cork or a wine bottle or whatever.

All class. All class. Most people say firework or a pop, an explosion. Firecracker. She said, you know, it sounded like when I blew a bunch of guys on New Year's. Yeah, it sounded like New Year's Eve. I don't know what that sound was because my head was down, but there was a bunch of guys on new year's yeah it sounded like new year's eve i don't know what that sound was because my head was down but there was a lot of that sound there's a lot of

splashing on the back of my head yeah all in the front too unfortunately and so um she said moments later he came back to the car she said quote he was covered in blood he put the gun in the back seat he wrapped up his jacket and he put uh put it in a garbage bag I had in the car. Cross-examination. They obviously talk about all the lies she admitted telling investigators. She lied a lot. All sorts of discrepancies about whether she went to the home and stayed at a service station or went to a gas station during the slaying. Because at first she said, I just dropped him off, went to a gas station, came back and picked him up.

She's like, I wasn't even on the property when this shit happened. So where she saw him load the rifle, where he got rid of his jacket, when they called, all that kind of shit here. The lawyer said, you're here testifying in part to benefit yourself, aren't you? And she said, I'm here to tell the truth. Okay. Yeah. Trust nobody here she said nine days before the killing she walked downstairs in the bryant home and heard kevin talking with cyril and she said all i heard was kevin saying it's got to be done it's got to be done now she only cried once during this whole thing she wept when describing

the overwhelming mechanical trouble she had with her pink chevy monte carlo which she drove that night her car she cried about her car breaking down very upset about that that's amazing fuel injectors were dirty so they don't have the work my fuel filter i needed a new one cereal refuses to testify won't say shit verdict comes in didn't need cereal guilty as balls kevin is sentencing here the judge called the slaying a cold, calculated, horrific crime. Quote, it's probably the worst of the worst. You, sir, may fuck off life without parole. Fantastic. Eat dicks.

His lawyer said, we agree that it was a brutal, cold, and heartless homicide, but we disagree that Mr. Bryan had anything to do with it. He is going to be a pocket pussy in prison. Oh, man, it's going to be rough. You better have my heart. You better have that locked and loaded. Oh, boy. I've asserted my innocence and continue to do so. The verdict and sentence does not change the simple truth.

Cyril goes to court and obviously he's got Cassidy testifying again. Yeah, he's found guilty as shit that she was ready to plead guilty. The judge here could have handed down a sentence ranging from 20 years to life imprisonment to life in prison without the possibility of parole. She said when a judge makes this type of decision, it's important that all the emotional clutter goes. You know, you don't want to be emotional about people's sentences. But she says, you, sir, may fuck off. He pled guilty, by the way, though, to this. No sentencing guarantee.

You, sir, may fuck off. Life without parole. Yeah, you blew it, man. You fucked up. So, wow, that's a lot. He wanted to know exactly how much time? All of it. now you know that is fucking crazy oh one of the relatives said i would have a question for him why why as i see it the

lives of at least four people could have been saved to some extent if he had been a decent humane person cassidy goes to court pleads guilty to first-degree manslaughter, and cooperates completely. In a letter read aloud by her attorney, she says she sees Tabitha's face every day and is heartbroken about her role in the death of a woman who befriended her. Quote, as I look at myself and question who Cassidy Green was before this tragic mistake, she's using her name in the third person here, I can truly say I don't like the person I saw. I'm not only asking my family and her family for forgiveness. I'm asking myself. I'll punish myself.

Don't you worry about it. You guys don't have to. Well, the judge says, you, ma'am, may fuck off 15 years in prison. Hmm. A lot less. Yeah. A lot less. So, yes, she goes there. She says she says while in prison i'm sorry is not a good enough phrase my apologies will never ever be accepted by any of the families my own included

if i could bring her back i would if i could change that night i would she said she drove kevin she drove cereal there and that's it okay in prison kevin was sentenced to life without parole he almost immediately had a stroke and a heart attack at the same it okay in prison kevin was sentenced to life without parole he almost immediately had a stroke and a heart attack at the same time literally in prison his shitty little heart yeah it's shitty little heart all gone he's been hospitalized in the infirmary in there he's paralyzed on one side he's a disaster he is still. Obviously, he's got life motherfucking without. Hope he doesn't feel anything from the waist down. No.

Conditional release date, none. Maximum expiration date, life. Ever. That goes for Cyril as well. Yeah. Cassidy, on the other hand, from what it looks like. She's out, James. She was, well, she's got to be out because her earliest release date was June 2016.

That's the earliest she could be released. Her maximum date, her maximum out date, 7-27-2018. She's out. She's out. Oh, boy. Tabitha is buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in Steuben County, New York. Watch out for that. A little gremlin running around wherever she's at.

Jesus. That is Penfield, New York, everybody. My God. That's bonkers. That whole thing was insane. He shot his sister, for Christ's sake. Unbelievable. The fucking, the sucking, the coke, the sister killing.

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You're terrific. Thank you. Other producers this week are Betty Swallows, VJ, VJ, VJ, J. Nice of her. Condi LaMotta. LaMotta. LaMotta. Condi LaMotta. There you go. VJ, J. Condi LaMotta. Lomato. Lomato. Kondi Lomato.

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