Small Town Murder - #49 - Guilt Written In Blood in Canton, Missouri

Episode Date: December 20, 2017

This week, we are LIVE at Lincoln Hall in Chicago!! We check out Canton, Missouri, where a man had a difficult time dealing with rejection, and lashes out in about the most extreme, and vicsious way possible. Luckily for us, he is as stupid as his is brutal! Along the way, we find out what's up with Amish funerals, how many floods is too many, and exactly how difficult it is to drive a tractor while drunk & covered in blood!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This week... We look at the middle American town of Canton, Missouri, where one man just couldn't take rejection. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Oh, no, the iPad. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Small Town Murder.

Yeah! Oh, I like it. My name is James Petrigel. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us tonight here in Chicago at Lincoln Hall for Small Town Murder Live. Oh, shit. Oh, God, do we have a good one for you guys tonight?

I'm excited for you. I am, too. All right, let's take a trip, Jimmy. Ready? Bags packed? Yeah. Got everything? I don't know.

Is it cold? It's cold. Get your jacket. It's fucking cold in Chicago. It's going to be cold here. I'm wearing fucking long johns right now. You should be. It's awful outside. I'll prove it. No, please don't. Let's not. be cold here. I'm wearing fucking long johns right now. You should be. It's awful outside.

I'll prove it. No, please don't. Let's not. Let's not. Let's not. That's not now. I'm wearing three shirts right now. Yeah, I got two.

It's all right. I'd like a jacket too, though. But that's all right. Let's head on a trip. Okay. Let's head on a trip, Jimmy. We're getting out of North Dakota. Parking needed.

We were very bored in North Dakota. There wasn't a lot going on there. What the shit? Yeah, it was boring. There was heads being sawed off. There was heads. We were very bored in North Dakota. There wasn't a lot going on there. What the shit? Yeah, it was boring. There was heads being sawed off. There was heads everywhere. Just heads all over the place.

There was a lot of heads. I got a message today on Instagram from a lady who said her and her mother listened to the show together

and then her mother saw the episode this week and goes, I refuse to listen. I was at Kurt's wedding. He was a nice man. It's true. And Kurt was a nice man and we treated him very well, I think. We were very refuse to listen. I was at Kurt's wedding. He was a nice man. It's true. And Kurt was a nice man, and we treated him

very well, I think. We were very nice to Kurt. Let's head on a trip. I didn't turn his head off. Let's head to Canton, Missouri. There's already a Canton also. And shockingly enough, it is named after Canton, Ohio. As all of these small towns, originality is not their strong point for names.

It's like they show up and they're like... There's a Hall of Fame up there. Maybe people will be confused and show up in our shithole. They just show up and they're like, I liked it there. So that's what this is going to be now. This is Missouri. Same shit. It's in the northeast part of the state.

It actually borders Illinois, the county it's in. It's right there in the far northeast corner of the state. Two and a half hours to... Well, it's actually five hours away, driving. Five hours to Chicago, three and a half to Kansas City, two hours to St. Louis. It is the middle of fucking nowhere. We flew over this shithole. Yeah, you will fly over it and go, what's down there? Nothing. Nothing.

Hey, look, floodwaters. Excellent. At least one dead person. At least. This is in Lewis County. Zip code 63435. Area code 573. It's a small town. 2.59 square miles.

A little bit of its water. About a quarter of a mile of its water because it's on the Mississippi River. Of course. It's a lot of river stuff going on in this thing here. Their thing, they don't have a slogan. This town. But they do have a pitch don't have a slogan, this town, but they do have a pitch.

Oh. They have a pitch, so we'll go with that. They're really trying to get you to show, and they have to throw in their slogan. You'll see.

Here we go. Quote, it doesn't matter if you're traveling from the north or the south, we are a great stop on the way to your destination.

Not even stay here. Stop, grab something to eat, keep fucking going. You don't want to be here. We got a Hardee's, come back. That's Main Street there, if you want to party. That looks hardcore, huh?

Really get into that. Yeah, also, we have scenic views of the Mississippi, great food and unique shopping. What is unique shopping? What are they selling there? What's unique? What's considered unique like no one else has unique shopping? What are they selling there? What's unique? What's considered unique like no one else has?

People? Are they selling people there? I'm not sure. We'll sell you some Mississippi. Located in the northeast corner of Missouri, the city of Canton is a small town with so much to, capital letters, show you.

Okay. You assholes. You fucking sick Missouris. Where are the show we say. Is anybody from Missouri? Assholes. This is your fault. Your goddamn fault. Fix this. Okay.

That's why you asked. These fucking people, man. It's founded in 1830 by Edward Wright, Robert Sinclair and Isaac Bland. Bland. Bland. Bland.

The Bland Town. And those guys sound, they sound like a, that's a trio right there. Going out getting arrested at night. So do I. So do I. Isaac Bland. Jesus Christ. At the town, it was part of, at the time it was part of Marion County to the south as

Lewis County wasn't incorporated until later. That doesn't matter, though. Edward White built the first house. And what did they use it as? A fucking tavern. Immediately. Yeah. Because you're stopping through there.

Stop through. Get a drink, goddammit. Because it's Missouri. Yeah. Drink because you're in Missouri. Yes. For Anheuser-Busch, is that right? Am I wrong?

I don't fucking know. St. Louis. Yeah, yeah. That don't fucking know. St. Louis. Yeah, yeah. That's the same state. Yeah. Okay. So drink. We've established that St. Louis is in Missouri. That's a good thing. We got that out of the way.

It's right off the bat. Gotta clean that right up. Oh, man. They had a big flood in 1851. Of course they did. A huge flood. This town, lots of floods. They're on the river. They had a big flood in 1851. Of course they did. A huge flood. This town, lots of floods. They're on the river. They're on the fucking Mississippi.

It floods, it destroys everything, and once the floodwaters recede, they're like, that won't happen again, and they just go right back to back. White people love it. It's going to happen again. Definitely going to happen again. Prior to this...

But Canton didn't take the brunt of this one. What? What do you got? It just occurred to me that white people are the dumbest fucking people ever. Okay. I'm following. I'm following.

Florida, you fucking retards. Why are you still building over... Every year, there's a hurricane, and you rebuild shit Oklahoma you fucking hillbilly fuck. They don't even rebuild shit. No, they don't just park a new one My house is a cunt. All right. It's a nightmare.

A fucking nightmare. The town of Tully is a mile north. That was destroyed by this flood completely. And then all those people went to Canton. They were like, fuck Tully,

we're going to Canton. So they just moved over to the next town, which also floods like crazy. They're playing a shell game with towns and floods and shit. It's fucking ridiculous here

now 1851 they incorporated Camden that's then that was like we got some people let's throw this shit together let's get some paperwork filed

by 1860 had over 2,000 people so it was cooking at the time at the time here it was the it was the large it had all the

all the big trade went through there because it was right on the river so lots of ferrying everything's being up and down the river. Back then, the river was a big fucking deal. There's no airlines.

That's all there is, man. There's steamers landing daily. There's a lot of freight, a lot of passengers. Also, it became huge in pork packing back then. Pigs everywhere. Pigs and unique shopping, apparently. Not just the people. Big, fat, pink people.

During the 1870s, they slaughtered over 1,300 hogs a month during the winter months. That's a lot of fucking hogs there, man. Also, after the Civil War, a hand corn planter, that sounds exciting, patented by Daniel Broy, was manufactured in Canton. Yeah. Also, they were big into the wagon and buggy industries.

And also, they had factories that made muscle shells into buttons. Yeah. And they made brooms. Yeah. This is like... Do we even need that fucking desert fart fact? Do we even need that? None of these things.

This town is a piece of shit. That's what they did back then. So as you can imagine, that didn't last. Horse and buggies and... There's a big broom making industry. I'm going to go. Are there brands of brooms? Apparently. I was wondering where the hat blocking store is there.

Harry Potter. I don't know what that was. Oh, because they write them. Fuck you. Leave the jokes to us, asshole. Did you seriously miss that? Did you fucking miss a broom? I was like, there can't be possibly a right-on-the-nose dumb... It was. Yeah, he nailed it.

He nailed it. You dumb. He's smart. He knew what he was talking about. Credit where it's due, god damn it. Oh, goodness. So, yeah, by 1871, the railroad came through, Jimmy. Not oil. Don't worry.

Not oil. The railroad came through. Still can't believe this. And that's what people were cooking. Population over 3,000 by 1871. That's some shit right there. That's a big town. We're steaming right towards unqualified for a small town.

That is more people than they have now. So as you can imagine, this town didn't thrive. Something went wrong. More floods. That'll do it. Floods, floods, floods. In the 40s and 50s, Canton High School kept being overrun with floods. They had to take up the gym floor.

Literally, at the end of every week, they'd take up the gym floor and store it in the closet in case it flooded over the weekend. Everybody would say, that's fucking horrible. Why do they say that? Move your school, man. What are you doing? That's awful. What they would do is during this time, the school employees and people, people would actually just travel by boat around this town.

That's how bad it would flood. It would be horrible looking like Cuba. Not Cuba, Haiti. Cuba hasn't flooded, has it? I think they're fine. They could use it. Yeah, that's fine. Am I wrong?

I don't know. They built a levee in the 60s, though, and since then, there's been very little flooding A few years ago they will talk about But very very little flooding This is what it looked like when it flooded a few years ago It's pretty neat photography It kind of looks nicer

Yeah I'm sure it is You see somebody named Jasper on a Skeeter running by That manufactured aluminum building Looks like it was made for that shit doesn't it In case the flood waters come We'll just put this shit up here Manufactured aluminum building. Looks like it was made for that shit, doesn't it? In case the flood waters come, we'll just put this shit up here. Place 50-gallon plastic drums around your house and you'll be fine.

You'll just float away. You'll get a new place when the water proceeds. Starting in 1853, they had the Lewis Adams River Ferry and it started out being a paddle wheel deal here. It was the oldest continuously operating ferry going across the Mississippi River until it closed in April 2014.

They were like, we have no interest in this town. We don't even care about the ferry. Fuck this place. We hate it. Yeah, also they have Amish. You know what this is? You know what those are? Those are Amish funeral carts.

You didn't let me guess. Those are Amish funeral carts. Exactly what those are. I would have guessed an ice chest. Yes, no. That's how the Amish cart people are. That looks like a hillbilly yeti. That looks fantastic.

It looks like they must bury like three people at a time. That thing's fucking huge. Just throw them all. They store them up. Put them on top. We're only digging one hole. Let's go. Damn it.

I'm tired. I've been churning butter. And the fucking part is, you know what the Amish are doing? Yeah. The exact same shit that everyone else was doing 100 years ago that nobody wants anymore. They're doing the exact same shit. They got a riverboat with a paddle wheel. That's what they got.

People here, population 2,388. So yeah, less than they had 100 years ago. That's today. It's down 9% since 1990. There's a college in this town, so the median age is super low. Normal, 37.4 is our average. We're at 26.6. So everything's going to skew that way. Male-female populations

are normal. Married population, way less than normal. 35% of it. College kids are smart. Yeah, they're not getting married yet. They're like, I don't want to do this shit. High single population, all that sort of thing. Also, a lot of widows here, too. Also, like, twice the normal amount of widows. You're either 100 or you're going to college

No one who's living a life comes here How fucking ageist of you There can't be a 100 year old woman going to college Asshole She might be going to college She's getting her doctorate She fucking better be at 100 She better not be going to community college at 100

She's gonna need it Cause she can't operate a computer And she needs a webMD for her friends. And herself. Jesus. Race of this town, as you might guess, pretty goddamn white.

93.04% white, 2.56% black, 0.35% Asian. So they have a few Asian people. Not many, but they're letting a couple. Woo! Someone's either Asian or super into Asians. All right. So they have a few Asian people, not many, but they're letting a couple. Woo. Someone's either Asian

or super into Asians. Either one. They're either playing them real sexy. Hispanics,.20 percent. Okay. So that's, wow. Are you cheering the

lack of Hispanics? Right. Racist fuck. Woo. Fuck Mexicans. Yeah. That percentage wasn't even a person.

That was like two Mexican fingers. Jesus, calm down even a person. That was like two Mexican fingers. Jesus, calm down. Damn it. Damn. It is a religious town. Yeah. This is a very middle America town.

Okay. This is like very middle America religious. 57.7% religious. It's usually about 50%. Yeah. 4.3% Catholic. 13% Christian of, you know, Episcopalian. Episcopalian Episcopalian

or whatever you want to call it. Why do you throw pasta in there? Yeah, yeah. 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim, obviously. I love when you say obviously. Obviously, yeah.

Jewish people know to get away from the floods. They are not going to try to make... Thank you. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Jewish people know to get away from the floods. They are not going to try to make... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Yes. Don't fuck with those floods, man. We know it's happening again. We don't buy that shit.

Never again. I could have gone so horrible. Yeah, I know you could. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. There's not a Sully in that Muslim bunch, is there? No, I don't gone so horrible. Yeah, I know you could. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. There's not a sully in that Muslim bunch, is there? No, I don't think so. There's too much water. Yeah, too much shit and water.

35% Democrats in this town, 62% Republican, about 2% Independent. Unemployment rate's about average, nothing too crazy there. Median household income's pretty low, but you expect that from old people and college kids or old college kids. Sure. Either one. It's $34,338 which is more than $20,000

less than the median. So that's a lot here. How the fuck do you live on that? That's tough. Jobs here, more manufacturing jobs than normal.

A lot of blue collar jobs. Also the educational services. The town is the college. I mean, it's this little weird college, and the town is that. It is 29% of the jobs here are college-related, like around the schools, college, high school, that sort of thing. Also, a lot of health care, because there's a lot of old people. That's all there is here. Better fucking be.

That's it. Cost of living. We do 100 being average, being the par. Cost of living here is 78. And that's still too high. I wouldn't want to be there. The shit's going to float away. That's what I mean.

Why does it cost so much? Yeah. I would definitely rent. Shit should be free. I'm renting if I move there ever. And speaking of that, the housing there is about 40 out of 100. So housing is less than half of normal. They don't give a shit.

And speaking of that, if we have convinced you to move to Canton, Missouri for some goddamn reason, you're interested in the Amish funeral practices, I don't know. We have for you the Canton, Missouri Real Estate Report, everybody. Let's do it. We have a one-bedroom, one-bath. There it is. Look at the inside. That's a lot of wood paneling,-bedroom, one-bath. There it is. Look at the inside. That's a lot of wood paneling, guys.

Holy shit, that's a lot of paneling. That looks like it smells like hot litter. Looks like it smells like smoke and mothballs. Yeah. One-bedroom, one-bath, 978 square feet, but it is right on the lake. Your yard goes right out to a lake that probably smells like shit also. Right. It is $59,500.

So a bargain of value. And at some point, you're going to be in the lake like shit also. It is $59,500. So a bargain, a value. And at some point you're going to be in the lake. You will. It'll come to you, actually. With all that timber, that shit's for sure going to float. Oh, you know it is. We have a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,518-square-foot house.

That's not bad. $125,000. That's too much. That's too much because it's going to float away. But other than that, it's not a bad house. And then finally, if you're looking to really spread out, we have a four-bedroom, three-bath house. It's 1,700 square feet, but it is on 1,000 acres. That looks dope as shit.

The inside's really nice. $464,000. Why does it look like a ravine? Like the river's going to run right the fuck through. There's a pond there. There's a pond in the Like the river's going to run right the fuck through there. Through your Super Bowl party. What the shit? It looks like it's sitting on a little hill, actually. To me, it looks like it's in a

fucking ravine. I think it's on a hill. That goes down slants based on the angle of the shadows. I've done a lot of research on shadow photography. I was really obsessed with the Lee Harvey Oswald pictures. And how much was this one? This is $464,000.

On a thousand acres. A thousand acres. So you own all that shit. All that flooded mess filled with mosquitoes. All that worthless swampland. You own it. Things to do here. Oh, God. Lovely stuff here. The Remember When Toy Museum is the big thing to do here. Remember when your friend floated away

and this is all that was left. That's it. His Splash Gordon comic books and all that was left there. That's it for that. And really it's that and outdoors. They're just touting go outside. Go outside and get Lyme disease

because you're going to get bit by ticks. Frolic in the floodwaters. Now crime. We're all interested here. Crime. Property value here. Property crime, right on average. Right at average. Right normal.

But, violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault, the big ones, the big four, the four horsemen, is one third the normal average. So super low. No one's getting raped, robbed, assaulted or murdered here for the most part. College kids, that's shocking. We did find some people who did get murdered here.

Let's talk about some people. Let's talk about a situation. Let's introduce ourselves to a young lady, shall we? Let's introduce ourselves to a Brandy Lynn June Kearns. That's a lot of fucking names. Too many names. They couldn't decide, so it's Lynn June. I can't decide if I hate her.

There she is. Oh, for fuck's sake, she's adorable. Yeah, she's very adorable. Her parents are the assholes. She's a nurse. She's a nurse. Yeah. She went to nursing school.

Look at her hair. Jesus. She's got big old 80s hair. Bitch. Actually, that... She's born in 1975, though. So this is the 90s, and she's got giant hair like that. So she's a little out of date, but we won't hold that against her, right?

Like warmers and leotards. It's not her fault. In 1995, she's 20 years old. She graduated from Canton High School. She's attending Hannibal Tech School. She's a member of the First Baptist Church of Canton. She's a nice girl. She's a nice

Midwestern girl. You know, this type of girl you take home to your mom. That sort of thing, I guess. I don't know if that's what you're into. But yeah. You know, you didn't introduce your wife to your mom yet? I have, yeah. But I don't know if other people, maybe they don't like their wife or their mom. I don't know. It might not be about the wife. It's all possible.

It's all possible here. Now, a nice girl like this, you'd think she's 20 years old. She's going to find, you know, a nice college kid. There's college kids here. They're all over the place, right? You think she's going to find... No. She's not going to find that guy. She's going to find a sh college kid. There's college kids here. They're all over the place, right? You think she's going to find... No, she's not going to find that guy. She's going to find a shithead with a machine gun on the side of his head. Yeah, exactly.

No, she's going to find John Clayton Smith, a divorced guy with two kids. Much older than her. Of course. That would all be fine. Let's not judge him. But he also... He could be amazing, you dicks. You never know.

Let me tell you something. One thing, he's be amazing you dicks you never know let me tell you something one thing he's not amazing at all he has a very long prior violent history with women he has prior convictions

for felony stealing and violating orders of protections against an against an ex-girlfriend his stealing charges from 1983 could be a misunderstanding

so I mean he's in could be you never know you never know at this time in 1995 Brandy lives in Canton She lives with her mom, Yvonne Curse

And her stepfather, Wayne Hoeing H-O-E-W-I-N-G Hoeing I want to put an R in there So fucking bad Hoeing Hoeing is worse than Hoeing I'm into that one.

All right. Never mind. This is Wayne here. It's hard. There wasn't a lot of pictures of him, so I really had to take what I could get here. That's the divorced father? No, no. That's Wayne.

That's the stepdad. Oh, Ho-ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ho-ring. That's Ho-ring. There's no R, Jim. Fuck it. Stop putting R's in there.

It's Wayne. This guy's a hard worker. He's a lockman at the Lock and Dam number 20 in Canton. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, he works on the rick and rice. Yeah, he works like big boats in and out. He's the first guy that knows it's flooding. Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's flooding, everybody, run!

Or he's like, Bucket, you guys know on your own. You bought a house here. You knew this shit was going to happen. I'm leaving. It's flooding, obviously. Jesus Christ. He also owned and operated a hoeing and winters trucking company in Canton. He used to be a farmer and a mail carrier. Oh.

So this guy's done like every old-timey job. He's a mail carrier. He's like, I'm doing locks on a river. He's the king of 42 grand a year. Yeah, he's definitely going to make that too. He's very happy with that. He's a member of the Bluff Springs United Methodist

Church near Canton, and also a member of the Harley Owners Group at Hannibal, the FOE, which is the, what is that? The fraternal order of some horse shit. Elks? Is it Elks, maybe? It's an Elks lodge? I think so. Harley Owners Group, it's just

a group you get inducted into when you buy a fucking Harley. Yeah, you go hang out with those guys. It's the dumbest shit in the world, it's just a group you get inducted into when you buy a fucking Harley. Yeah, you go hang out with those guys now. It's the dumbest shit in the world. It's such a racket. It's like, yeah,

I own a Harley, so I get to be in this group? Yeah, I don't know if he's the fraternal. What do you have to pay to be an elk? Is that a thing? There's got to be

some kind of dues. They have a clubhouse, don't they? Blow a dude or some shit. I think so. Oh, you know there's rituals. For sure. There's spanking

involved in this. Somebody's got a finger in their ass, for sure. Always, man. Some old man that doesn't wipe well anymore. It's all a mess. It's all terrible. Listen, I'm not an elk. Yvonne was his second wife.

He's got a wife. He's got an ex-wife. He's got a couple of kids from a previous marriage. So now, Brandy, she's dating John Clayton Smith, our winner. Sounds like a real winner here. They apparently make plans to live together in 1996. Start making plans to live together. How old is he?

He's like 36 at the time. She's 20. She's 20 and going to college. He's divorced and has two kids. Yes. And lots of charges, including violating restraining orders against other women.

But this is in 95, so there's not Google. Yeah, no. Nobody knows this shit. He's just a creepy looking fucking guy. He would have to tell you I beat the shit out of some brats. Yeah, exactly.

Just so you know. Just to let you know. I stole something and I violated everything. So... What happened? Jesus. John Clayton Smith,

he borrows $30,000 to buy a house for him and Brandy, which was probably by a whole house there. I think it's probably a trailer, is what he's talking about.

I think he's talking about a trailer. Now, at this time, too, this is strange. Brandy has a daughter named Tatum, born in early 1997. Okay.

Okay? I don't know who the father is. Oh. This is not the father. Okay. Clearly. Even though they went out since 1995, and in early 1997. Okay. Okay? I don't know who the father is. Oh. This is not the father. Okay. Clearly. Even though they went out since 1995, and it's 1997, he is not the father of this baby.

Okay. So that's an odd one. We never find out who the father of this baby is, so that mystery is never going to be solved. So fuck off if you want to solve it. So hang in with that shit. That's weird. Not going to happen here. I think you thought Brandy was just fantastic at every turn.

No shit. Sometimes those great women have mistakes. Now, I don't know. I can't imagine she's proud of this shit. That's all I'm saying. She's worth a piece of shit. And she has this kid, too. And he's not the dad.

That's fucked up. No, he's not the dad. But here's the thing I don't get either. Okay. So she has a baby. They're together. He's borrowing money to get a get either. Okay. So she has a baby. They're together. He's borrowing money to get a house for them.

And then she has a baby. Is he borrowing from a bank or from a person? I think it's from a person. I don't think he's going to borrow just for a random... I can't imagine a bank's going to give it to this fuck. No, he's not going to give it to a criminal record or everything else. Plus, I just feel like you're not going to borrow it for a future sale. You know what I mean? But this is just such a weird arrangement. She has the kid and he seems fine with it like yeah

he's okay with he wants to marry her yeah too which is great because he's a piece of shit yeah well he's got a thing she's the best thing that's going to happen to him for sure definitely absolutely uh i don't think anything good has ever happened to this fucking guy oh boy all right let's put it that way foreshadowing uh forehadowing here. I don't think he's done a lot either. Now, around June 1st, 1997, she comes to her goddamn senses. Okay. Okay. Brandy decides, I'm done with this fucking guy. Yeah.

She stops seeing him. She lives with Wayne and Yvonne. Okay. She had lived there. And he had come in and out, John Clayton Smith. He'd come in and out of the whole deal. So he's coming in to hang out with them. So he's familiar with the house. They know him. They've been going out for John Clayton Smith. He'd come in and out of the whole deal. So he's coming in to hang out with them. So he's familiar with the house.

They know him. They've been going out for two years. He's fine coming in and out and stuff like that. And that becomes very important in a minute here. So he's very distraught by being broken up with. Now, I don't blame him. He had a cute 20-year-old girl and he's a fucking monster with a criminal record that she didn't know about.

And she's willing to spend time with him. I don't blame him for being upset that this went away. He's very upset. During that month of June, he contacts his former wife, Mary Smith, about visiting his children. He hadn't talked to the kids for almost two years before this.

Good guy. Real prince of a guy here. Nice guy. He contacts her to see the kids? He contacts her. He says he wants to see the kids he contacts her he says he wants to see the kids he wants to talk to the kids uh he this is out of nowhere he hasn't called them seen them had shit to do with these kids for two years pretty much here uh so now during june he visits them several times like i don't know if he's trying if he's like okay she broke up with me because it seems like this is healthy yeah like she broke up with me now i have my i feel like

i have my life in order i'm gonna try to like get back in with my kids right that's a nice thing to do maybe the first thing he's ever fucking done that's half decent but he tries he tries he even gives uh his ex-wife some savings bonds and coin collections that he wants the kids to have yeah so now he's even given like the money and where's he getting this shit is this like this is shit he had okay this is shit he had no he's not given the money and stuff like that. Where's he getting this shit? Is this like... This is shit he had. Okay. This is shit he had. No, he's not like a cat burglar or anything. This is like stuff he had. I just want him to be like the scummiest of the pieces of shit.

Oh, he is. Don't worry. He's a fucking awful human being. Don't worry. The coins aren't the scummy part. This is small town murder. There's much worse that's going to come out of that. Very, very, very bad here.

So he, at about 7.30 a.m., this is the 4th of July, 1997. very very very bad here so he at about 7.30am this is the 4th of July 1997 so 4th of July in a small town in middle America there flags everywhere I assume flags and shit fireworks all over the god damn place

it's a fucking disaster I hate fireworks you can shoot fireworks fucking everywhere I despise fireworks it's the wet, so you can shoot fireworks fucking everywhere. I despise fireworks. It's the stupidest goddamn thing in the world. I swear to Christ, I want to take people who watch fireworks on television and just show them last year's fireworks. I guarantee you they will not know the fucking difference.

Guarantee. It's the same exact thing, goddammit. About 7.30 a.m., like we said, on the morning of July 4th, so it's a holiday. John Smith, I'll just call him Smith. I don't even want to call this asshole by his first name here. He drives by O.C.'s Tavern in Canton.

All these small towns, everything's based around the bar, too. It all happens here. And he sees, he looks at, he's looking for Brandy's car. It had been parked there next to the tavern since the night before, and it's still there. So this guy has been driving back and forth all night looking to see when she leaves with her car.

This is creepy fucking behavior, honestly. Can you imagine that shit? Imagine being in that state of mind where you're doing that. I just don't understand how to do that shit. I don't either. Is it really that great? Like, what's... I don't know what I mean.

It's not even a matter of that. It's a matter of needing to control shit. You know what I mean? You're an asshole. That's what you are. Leave her alone and let her be. That's the thing here. So...

By the way, she doesn't want to be around you. Why would you want to force her to be around you? That's just going to be a shitty, not fun time. We answer that, like, every week, pretty much. Like, you want to force her to be around you? That's just going to be a shitty, not fun time. We answer that like every week.

Every week. What's the point of being around her? You want to have sex? The forcing to be around you is not going to want her to have sex with you. I think he just wants to make sure of what she's doing and be super possessive about it, probably. She's not with me and her car is there. She's got to be with somebody else.

It's her thing here. So he drives by at 7.30 and sees the car there. Yeah. And he calls his ex-wife. Also, that hurts. Yeah. It hurts so bad when you see her with somebody

and you're not with somebody. I was dating a girl. I broke up with her. She was dating a giant fat man. He was hideous. And I was like, that's better than me, you bitch. Yeah.

And she pissed in my bed that's what I call a bed puddle she pissed in my bed and then fucked a fat old man and I was like I'm worse than that question here it hurts so bad did she piss after no before I mean Question here. Oh, it hurts so bad. Did she piss?

After. No, before, I mean. Out of drunkenness or just loss of bladder? She was a mess. She always drank. So really, her being a severely dysfunctional alcoholic is the real problem. You have that uncle that'll piss in your closet. She was that for my girlfriend in my bed. That's what she was.

I have a friend who pisses on his curtains all was that for my girlfriend in my bed. That's what she was. I have a friend who pisses on his curtains all the time. Like his wife will complain. He'll get up in the middle of the night and just piss on his curtains. Don't date him because he'll piss in your bed. Or in the hamper. He's done that too. Pissed in all their clothes, which is a nice thing to do here.

There's no piss in the story whatsoever, by the way. Just to let everybody know. It is where I get involved. That's what happens. I swear there's no piss. All the pissers go to you. We send every wall of pissers to Jimmy. That's what happens. We send all the pissers to Jimmy. That's how it works here. So after he drives by there,

he's seething mad, obviously. So what's he going to do now? He's not going to go into a rage. He's going to call his ex-wife and ask what the kids' plans are that day. So it's like, well, if I can't have brandy, I'll just hang out with my kids, which seems like a healthy thought.

Last-ditch effort? Or that, also. So he gets there. While he's talking to her on the phone, she can tell that something's wrong with him. He's acting really funny. When she asked him what was wrong, he said everything. So that's not a good answer.

Everything. Especially if you've got a guy like that, that you know is a little off. You're like, everything. Yeah, maybe don't come see the kids today. What do you say? Maybe stay wherever the fuck you are. So the ex-wife asked if he was having difficulties

with Brandy, and he said, just everything. I can't talk about it now. I got to go. And he hung up. So that's that. That's productive. That's productive, yeah. He never even found out what the kids' plans were. He just called and sounded. What's productive. That's productive. Yeah. He's just, I don't know what, he never even found out what the kid's plans were.

Yeah. He just called and sounded. What's wrong? Everything. Everything. Everything clicked. Okay, sure. So are you coming over or not?

What are you doing here? So later in the morning, this guy, and this is crazy too, like thought process here. He then calls Yvonne. He calls Brandy's mom. He calls Brandy's mom, which I think is a batshit move for some reason here. Just to call her and say hi, whatever. But he asked whether Brandy came home last night. They're broken up, first of all.

What does the mom say? That's what I'm saying. If that was my mom, she would have been like, go fuck yourself. She would have told him off and the whole deal. But no, she said no, she didn't come home the night before. Why would you tell this guy that? Don't fuel him. and the whole deal but no she said no she didn't come home the night before why would you tell this guy that don't fuel him

what the fuck is wrong with you there's a fire and she's like I'll just spray a little gasoline and we'll see what happens she'll be fine just flame up a little bit

no worries do you think she did that on purpose to fuck with him or do you think she was just like I think she answered the phone and she was like Brandy here nah she didn't come home

I think she just doesn't care she didn't come home six i don't know caught in the flood i don't know brandy drowned last night so uh she hears this and then he asks he tells the mom asks her i guess uh she isn't she's seeing someone else isn't she which again none of your business and why are you asking the mom that just makes you feel super weird. The mom just says, I don't know what she does. She's 20 years old. She goes out, she hangs out with her friends. I don't know.

Maybe she's seeing someone else. What do I know, basically? That's not a good enough answer for him, though. At all, obviously. He sees her driving on the highway at one point that day. Again, small town. Passing by, there's her car. She's driving on the highway. I point that day. Again, small town. We were passing by. There's her car.

She's driving on the highway. I'm going to follow her. This is a very small area. So awful. If you lost someone here, did you find them ever? In Chicago? Holy shit, no.

No, you're gone. They're done. But he finds her. You're lucky you found that person in the first place. Yeah, to begin with. He finds her and he follows her to a guy named Brian Brooks' house.

Yeah. Okay, that's the guy. That's our hero. That's the guy she's seeing here. Now he pulls up behind her in the driveway. Oh, no. How'd you like to be Brian Brooks? Yeah.

Great, now I got this guy to deal with. Cool, I got an old man. And that's the person. How old is Brian? Is he younger than that? He's around her age. Yeah, yeah, see? So this is pissing this guy off.

He's an asshole. He's 36 or 38. He's got two kids. He's divorced. He's a younger guy? He's around her age. Yeah, yeah. See? So this is pissing this guy off. He's an asshole. He's 36 or 38. He's got two kids. He's divorced. He's a piece of shit and he sees her with some young guy and he's like,

you want young dick? He doesn't even have any felony convictions. Nothing. What's he got I don't have? Has he ever even stalked anybody? He knows nothing about love and romance

this fucking guy. He doesn't know how to stalk. He doesn't know how to really keep tabs on someone, follow them around, track their movements. This is romance, god damn it. He doesn't know how to stalk. He doesn't know how to really keep tabs on someone, follow them around, track their movements. This is romance, goddammit. He doesn't think that, though.

She gets out of the car, and I feel like she knows how to calm him down a lot of the time, because she talked to him. It was less than three minutes, and she subdued him. He was cool, and he got in the car, and he left. Like a negotiator. She knows how to talk to this person.

She's probably fucking had to deal with this guy. I have a feeling this isn't the first time he's acted a little weird. You know what I mean? It's probably why she broke up. You're probably right. So she's like,

I know how to talk to this guy. Relax. I'm sure Brian Brooks stayed in the house. I'm not dealing with this goddamn idiot. So at 11.05 p.m., the whole day goes by,

he goes to a convenience store and he buys beer. He buys a 12-pack of beer at a convenience store in Canton. Heartache medicine. Yeah, exactly. He's just going to drink his troubles away. The store clerk noticed that he was preoccupied

and appeared to be in a weird mood. First of all, if a 7-Eleven worker on Graveyard Street notices... If they notice your mood, you must really be upset. You yeah you gotta be hopped up on that meth and robitussin just fucking fighting them yeah i'm speedy no i'm not i'm down it's a mess jesus christ how many people's moods are you 7-eleven have you ever gone to a convenience store

bought anything they don't even look you in the fucking eye. They're checking out. They're just like, $4.75. That's it. Done. There's no... And at that time of night, you're competing with people that are like, not even putting the frozen burrito in the microwave before they start eating it. You're dealing with complete fucking limited. And this guy, weird.

That guy's fucking crazy. The guy before him ate a hot dog that was on the rack for 14 hours. This guy, weird. This guy before him ate a hot dog that was on the rack for 14 hours. Didn't even notice. This guy weirdos it. Very strange stuff here. Jesus Christ. So he leaves the convenience store, and a couple hours go by. Enough time to get good and tanked.

Okay. It's about 1.45 in the morning. Perfect. He's been drinking for two and a half hours. Been drinking for two and a half hours. He's probably got ten beers in him. Eight, nine beers in him. I'll bet it's a 30-pack.

Which is a lot. He bought a 12-pack based on what the clerk said. It's all gone. And if the clerk noticed his mood, I bet you she took goddamn notice of his order, too. He had this, he had that. He got $12 on pump six. He was on top of that shit. Best convenience store clerk in town.

Shopping in the parking lot and shit. That's right. So it's 1.48 a.48am when this all goes down here. He drives to Brandy's house. Of course he does. Yvonne and Wayne, the father, the stepfather and the mother are there. Brandy's there. So she

drives there at 1.40 in the morning. 1.48. So what are you hoping to accomplish from that? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing positive. Yeah, we can go bang on the door and wake everybody up. I mean, you're going to murder somebody. That's what you're going to do. You're there for murder or to be arrested on the front lawn. At minimum rate.

That's the minimum thing that you're doing right now. You're forcibly putting something inside somebody else. And that's best case scenario. So that's scary as shit right there. So what he does is, but he doesn't pull in the driveway. No. Which is again, bad sign. Whenever someone doesn't pull in the driveway, I'm scared right then and there. So what he does is, but he doesn't pull in the driveway. No. Which is, again, bad sign. Yeah.

Whenever someone doesn't pull in the driveway, I'm scared right then and there. He parks his truck about 30 yards from the house, which is like... In front of another house?

Which is like too close to be like far away, but too far to be close. Like it's just a dumb place to park. Right. Like it's all his... It's just extra steps

for no reason. Just park out front, deadhead. So in addition to being a felon and kind of a dickhead, he's just a dumb place to park. It's just extra steps for no reason. Just park out front, dickhead. So in addition to being a felon and kind of a dickhead, he's also a bad parker, which I really fucking hate. I really hate that the most out of anything.

I mean, you know, stalking is one thing. Plus he's the guy that parks at the end of the parking lot so that he can get some exercise. I think so, yeah. Afraid, no. Doesn't want anybody to hit

the door of his 93 Dodge Ram, so he's like, I'm going to take the stairs, not the elevator. You're a jerk. I don't think this guy does it at all. I think he's got other plans. He's just too dumb to execute them right. He takes some beers with him out of the car.

He's taking some beers with him to the house. I don't know if he's going to have a drunk. He's going to have a cold one with the new guy. Yeah, he's going to sit on the front lawn, stare at the house and get drunk. And they're going to find him in the morning. Have a civil passing of the pussy. That Yeah, he's going to sit on the front lawn, stare at the house and get drunk and they're going to find him in the morning. Have a civil passing of the pussy. That's what he's doing.

She's all yours now. Have a butt like. No, no. He's going to hang out on the front lawn, drink until he passes out. Yeah. He's going to poop on it

and pretend it's a dog. You know he's going to shit in the grass. For sure. No, he's shit in the grass. I'm positive of it here. So he takes some beers, but he has three guns with in the grass. For sure. No, he's shit in the grass. I'm positive of it here. So he takes some beers. But he has three guns with him.

Oh. Also. Oh, yes. So much for civil. So much for civil. Yeah, you don't usually do anything civil with three guns. So he's got three guns here. And he doesn't take them in the house, though.

He leaves them in the truck. Okay. He's not going to take the guns with him. So that's a good sign. Yeah. Taking beers and not guns. Yes. And he put the guns

a safe extra 30 yards away. 30 yards away. He can't even just go out in the driveway and get them. No, not at all. But what he did do was a problem here. He walked around. They have a large pond on the property. He walks around the pond. I don't know if he's just drinking and thinking. Drinking and thinking,

man. That's a bad thing. Just hanging dark and some shit. Skipping rocks. Skip like opium in the beginning of Andy Griffith. That's only with beer and murder in his heart. It's a little different. I don't think Ron Howard had murder in his heart. At least not then.

He might now. I'm not sure. I never know what he's up to now. I'm not positive. He does. That's possible. What he does is he decides he's going to go in the house. Yeah.

He still knows how to get in the house because his girlfriend is two years. He's an asshole. And he would take note of these sort of things. So he goes through the basement door. Okay. Okay. He has a key. Yeah. He goes through the basement door.

He still has a key? He still has a key. Oh, boy. They probably, I mean. He made an extra one. I'm sure he did. Absolutely. I know he did.

Or he just, yeah, he still has it. They didn't take it from him. Maybe that was like the thing that Brandy thought would push him over the edge. Yeah. Give me my keys back. Yeah. Let's just let him keep the keys. It's fine.

Like, what the fuck's he going to do? This is what he's going to do. This, exactly. He enters the basement. Yeah. And takes his shoes off when he enters the basement, which is an odd move right there. That seems like you're creeping a little bit. I don't know. Maybe he's just thoughtful.

Is he really just respectful of carpet? Maybe he stepped in his own shit in the yard. That's all. He doesn't want to track that hit on the carpet. He's just respectful of carpet. That's all. He's a good guy. Just thoughtful. My grandmother would have liked him. That's so nice. He's taking his shoes off in the house. That's so nice. So he goes in.

Shoes off, goes upstairs. I feel so nice. Shoes off goes upstairs. I feel like he's creeping around. What he finds is he finds Brandy in the kitchen in the living room. Right there. She has her daughter Tatum in her arms. It's middle of the night feeding, basically.

It's 1.40 in the morning. I'm not happy either. It's an infant, the whole deal. Don't worry, the baby's fine. So, yeah, there you go. Everybody relax.

The baby's fine. Promise you the baby's not dead in this one, okay? So there you go. That's good. That's a good thing to be happy about.

So anyway, he goes in, he finds her, she finds him. She's pissed that he's there. Of course. Why are you in my house at two in the fucking morning?

What's your problem? I don't think... Where are your shoes? Yeah, why are your shoes off? Why are you in my house at two in the fucking morning? What's your problem? I don't think... Where are your shoes? Yeah, why are your shoes off? Why are you wearing your jammies? What's going on here? Why are you wearing feety pajamas to my house?

What's going on? So, super weird. She tells him basically to get the fuck out. Yeah. Take a hike. Right.

And this isn't the three minute talk down from the driveway. No. This is... Because that was like, okay, you followed me, that's fine, whatever. This is you're in my house at two a.m. This isn't the three minute talk down from the driveway. That was like, okay, you followed me, that's fine. You're in my house at 2am. You didn't knock. I didn't know you were coming.

You crept here. She tells him to get out. He doesn't get out, obviously. He begins to scuffle with her. In the course of this scuffle, he ends up stabbing her eight times. Wait, what? Where did the knife come from?

They're in the kitchen. You didn't tell me about that shit. They're in the kitchen. It's their knife. He left the guns in the truck, but he grabbed a knife out of the kitchen. So he didn't know what he was doing. Yeah. So I feel like, yes, exactly.

So I feel like he's going in there. Yeah. And he goes around and he brings the three beers with him. He takes a walk around the goddamn pond. Yep. Drinks those three beers. Gets the nerve up. Doesn't even know what the fuck he's going to do when he goes there,

gets in the house, takes his shoes off, walks up there. This is just how I'm thinking. Sees Brandy, hopes it goes well. That's the thing. I feel like in his drunk, stupid, stalking asshole mind, he thinks like, she's going to be happy to see me. I'm going to take my shoes off.

She'll be happy I didn't wear my shoes. She'll be like, that'll make it easier to get your pants on. She'll be happy I didn't wear my shoes in the house. She'll be like, that'll make it easier to get your pants on. Unfortunately, it doesn't go down like that. And then my dick's in her mouth. And we're back together. Yeah. No,

she's, instead, she does not like him, and he grabs a kitchen knife and decides to stab and slice her. What about my... I have one beer left. Yeah, the whole thing, like we said, the infant does not get any of this. Does not catch any of this at all. He cuts her eight times, like I said. He then goes...

Now, while she's dying on the ground, she's on the kitchen floor on the linoleum. She's dying. She didn't die right away. She had enough time to write in her own blood on the kitchen floor on the linoleum. She's dying. She didn't die right away. She had enough time to write in her own blood on the kitchen floor. This is crafty and resourceful, man. Yeah, it's horrible, but fuck, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do.

She said, she printed out, it was J-O-H. So she got that much out of it was John. And she said, and S-V-T-T-U-M. And save Tatum, is what she's saying. That's what she said.

Yeah, this is what a good mother she is. I mean, honestly, she's dying and she's worried about her daughter, too, which is amazing. And she's worried about getting this asshole locked up, too, which is also good for everybody. So she writes this on the floor in her own blood. Fucking horrible. They found and eventually they found in this whole thing, Brandy's on the linoleum covered in blood and the baby is at her feet.

Sweet Pete, really? This is like Dexter shit right here. This is total Dexter. In its mother's blood. It's horrible, man. Poor Tatum. How old is she now? She would be 20. She's 20 right now, Tatum. Her mom was when she died now. Yeah, exile 22 she was, but still. It's 20 right now, Tatum. Her mom was when she died now. Yeah, exile 22 she was.

But still, it's way fucked up. So this happens. Now you think, what is he going to do, run away? Yeah. No, he doesn't go run away. He goes to the parents' room now. He's like, well, I'm here. What the fuck, man?

I'm already here. Fuck it, right? Yeah. I feel like he has a goal for this thing, too. I feel like he's trying to get killed, and we'll find out why, too, here. He enters there. Wayne had gotten up. Wayne heard the struggle, and he got up, and he was kind of stirring and getting out of bed when this goes in.

And I feel like Wayne, being a farmer and a channel lock guy, he's not taking any shit. He'll come in his house, stabbing people. He's so mad. He fucking hates middlemen. Plus, he's got to work at 5 in the morning. He's like, listen here, asshole. This is ridiculous. You're fucking my day up.

So, you know, I'm going to be on the channel lock here at fucking 5 a.m. So he goes in there. Smith ends up going in there. And as Wayne tries to get his bearings of what's going on, he attacks him. Smith just attacks Wayne. He ends up getting on top of Wayne on the bed and just stabs him a lot. He ends up stabbing him 11 times. Jesus.

11 times. Now he's 19 stab wounds into a Friday night here. This is a lot. That's a lot of stabbing to do in one night. So apparently, while he's doing this, Yvonne obviously sees this. She has no idea what happened to Brandy out there, but she sees this guy stabbing the shit out of her husband,

so she goes and tries to push him off, which ballsy move. Good for you, Yvonne. And he's drunk. It should work. Yeah. It doesn't work, though, because he ends up slashing her in the arm.

He just swipes the knife at her and slashes her arm. Luckily, he didn't hit her throat or anything like that. She runs in the bathroom and closes the door, which, you know, smart. So he follows her, though, obviously, because he's a dick and he wants to kill everybody. While he's at the bathroom door, Wayne gets a hold

of a loaded gun that he keeps in the house. Yeah, good for him, right? So he pulls the gun on John, on Clayton Smith here. What Smith says to him, this is the weirdest shit of all, because this makes me think that he was doing this on purpose.

Smith says, shoot me. Go ahead and shoot me. He just drops the knife and says, here I am, fucking shoot me. And he didn't shoot him. Wayne didn't shoot him. I don't know if he, that's the thing, we don't know.

Wayne is dying, and I don't know if he is losing blood too much and doesn't know what he's doing, or if he thought doing or if he thought or if he thought I'm gonna hold you at gunpoint and call the cops on you

and get you fucking put in jail I don't know what it is I think if somebody stabbed me slashed my wife stabbed my stepdaughter

why not pop a couple caps in his ass I think at that point why not that's deserving I think I think that's self defense

I think that's a legit you know you probably won't go to jail I would say not I would say not I have 11 not. I would say not. I have 11 stab wounds. I would say that was

reasonable force used here. So no shots are fired at all. He leaves. He just walks out of the room. Wayne doesn't shoot him. He's like, all right. Shrugs and leaves. See, it takes off.

He goes. Eventually, Yvonne... Did he just piss in the cupboard or anything? No, there's zero urine in the store whatsoever. He's so drunk. There's an alive baby. He's got pissed by this time, right? There's no pee. eventually, Yvonne... Did he just piss in the cupboard or anything? No, there's zero urine in the cupboard whatsoever.

There's an alive baby. He's got to piss by this point, right? There's a big load of shit in the yard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a Great Dane passed away. With a New Balance printed. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It was for sure a New Balance. Or like an old Reeboks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of those. British Knights or something shitty.

97, you never know, man. It was hot shit right then. So after that, he goes back downstairs and puts his shoes back on. Yeah. Leaves the house through the basement. He walks out of the residence here and goes to a nearby farm. A guy named Bill Lloyd's Farm. Okay. All these people sound very Midwestern.

For what? Goes to Bill Lloyd's Farm where he hid the knife. Okay. He ends up taking the knife, hiding the knife under some tin in the back of this guy's shed. He has like a bunch of tin piled up and he sticks it in between some layers of tin. I don't know why you have all that tin. I don't know.

I don't have a farm so I have no idea. It's Missouri. Apparently the cows eat tin there. That's a bit the... The pigs. They're into the tin. So he ends up going and hides the knife under some tin, and this is his escape plan. He attempts to steal a fucking tractor.

White people, the dumbest people ever. He couldn't find... He's going to run away on a John Deere? What the fuck? He couldn't find like a power wheel even or something? Fucking faster than that? Jesus Christ. Tractor?

Imagine that. First of all, okay, let's go over the tractor for one second. A, the obvious thing. The speed. It's not a fast escape. Second of all, you kind of stick out like a star. Who is he? He's the guy on the fucking tractor.

Drive around, you'll see him. He's the only guy driving around at four in the morning on a tractor. Swerving because he's shit-faced. And he's got blood fucking everywhere. There's going to be a blood trail behind the fucking, behind the thing. So, ridiculous. So, he's driving this tractor. And he's got his own shit on his shoe.

Yeah. He then crashes the tractor. How do you crash a tractor? It's going six miles an hour He just slowly rolled into something Stop, fuck, got out What a mess, man Jesus Christ

What a plan He hit one of those big hay bales The big round ones in the middle of the field Whoops, and he just stops. Shit. How do you put this thing in reverse? I go ahead and classify him as an unorganized killer, I would say. That's the definition of it, I would say

right here. Wow. Unorganized here. So, that's not it though. He doesn't just flee on foot after that. Jesus Christ. This, by the way, he never even got off the property. I'll tell you. He crashed the tractor on the property. On the property.

He crashed his tractor into another tractor. That might be the whitest crime ever. Might be the whitest crime ever. Your stolen tractor into another tractor. I just saw it happen.

That was awesome. Think shit. I don't know how to put this thing in reverse fucking running. Jesus Christ. So he just runs away from there. Now, these poor farmers. What the hell is going on out on the farm also here? So what he does after this is he steals another truck

from another nearby house. He grabs a truck. I feel like people are leaving their keys in the car. It's a nice small town. People kind of leave their keys in the ignition. So he goes in, jumps in, steals this truck, crashes that. Gets like a mile away, crashes that shit into a ditch, obviously, because he's a moron

and he can't drive. If he wanted to escape, he probably shouldn't have drank a 12-pack first. Probably, yeah. So he crashes the truck. After he crashes the truck, he's in the truck and the cops come upon accidents, which they want to do sometimes, and they go, hey, why are you covered in blood?

Let's take you in for a little chat. What do you say here? So they take him into a little chat for a little chat, and while this is going on, too, Yvonne has called the police. Good girl. So now they're finding out, oh, there's a guy going. He didn't flee on foot and grab a tractor and a truck or anything like that, did he? Oh, yeah.

I think that might be our guy. Covered in blood. We have a suspect. Yeah. Covered in blood, stealing a tractor. That's the one. So he steals that. And then they end up there.

So they take him into custody. He's in custody now. Medical personnel reach the residence here for that. Brandy is already, she's already gone. She's already gone for her. She also,

this is fucking disgusting too, she's also been partially stripped of her clothing. Why are you doing that? I'm going to get one last peek. What the fuck are you one last peek what the fuck are you doing okay now I can leave now I'll go stab your dad what the fuck is I don't get this guy this is very job he was gonna have sex there and then she probably was already dead and then he was like can't do it either that or he tried to start taking her clothes off

before he said oh that's probably it. Yeah, he probably was like, oh, man. She's fighting, he grabs her. I was thinking he was sick as shit. You're just thinking that you got him. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, stabby stab stuff. Yeah, yeah. He's thinking like a psycho

and you're like, there's logic here. I think he's just a drunk guy who wanted to fuck Randy one more time when he came over to the house and then he, yeah, that's what I think.

And then he just chose to stab her. I have to restart this now because I'm going to do a complete idiot here. There we go. Okay, back to that. We don't have a sold out room or anything. No, it's none of that shit. I have my restart this now because I'm going to do a complete idiot here. There we go. Okay. Back to that. We don't have a sold out room or anything.

No, it's none of that shit. I have my thing over there. So Brandy's dead. She's lying face up on the kitchen floor. So on her back on the kitchen floor. So she must have moved around. She was on her stomach when she was writing. So she must have moved around.

They find Tatum right there. Like I said, they find eight stab wounds inflicted on her neck, chest, abdomen arm and thigh he just went hacking whatever he could get at because I feel like she's moving around

struggling that's drunk stabbing that's the other thing too he can't even drive a fucking tractor he's not going to be a good stabber at this point

it's not going to be precision it's not going to be OJ it's not going to be that hey OJ was focused, goddammit. He was not going to mess that up. He might have been a fucking asshole, but goddammit, he had a plan and he fucking executed it.

Have you seen those transing photos? Amazing. He accomplished his goal. We'll say that much anyway. Not a good goal, but accomplished nonetheless. It's fucked up. It's fucked, but yeah. But he did it well. That's all we're saying.

That's it. on the list. It's fucked up. It's fucked, but yeah. But he did it well. That's all we're saying. That's it.

Uh, the, the, just, what am I doing right now? Crazy, what? Well,

you know what? I feel like OJ's better than this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I know we're really parsing,

we're really getting thin on it, but, if you had to have one of those two walking around again, take O.J. I don't know. You know.

He'll sell you a rental car. As long as nobody marries him, I feel like he's not going to kill anybody. He's going to do other shit. Or steals his Heisman. Yeah.

That's going to be a problem, too. This guy, I don't trust at all. This is his... But then again, O.J. No, you know what? Fuck O.J., too.

Never mind. O.J. sucks, too. Fuck him, too. A lot of people died since O.J. got out of prison. I don't know if that's a coincidence. Is that all OJ? He's got a little tear. Tom Petty's

gone. Tay got out. Fucker. Asshole. Shit, that's rough. They killed Tom Petty too. That's where OJ lives. I'm not so sure. It could be. It could be. They get to Wayne. They get to Wayne. He's alive when they get to Wayne. It could be. It could be. They get to Wayne.

They get to Wayne. He's alive when they get to Wayne. Wayne's alive. They soon pronounce him dead, though. He doesn't last very long. He's bleeding. He has 11 stab wounds to the chest, arms, leg, hand, and hip. He bled to death. Brandy's wounds, actually, one of her, one of the,

two of the stabs, one cut her liver, one cut her kidney, and one got her lung. So she didn't bleed out exactly. It was a lot faster for her. Wayne actually bled to death, which seems worse if there's a worse again. We're parsing very, very thin here. So she just had internal organ damage, but those organs were shutting down. Yeah, it was shutting down.

She probably drowned in her own blood, I would imagine, whereas he bled to death slowly. I mean, he lasted the way the cops got there. I mean, he was alive for a half hour, bleeding out. That's brutal, man. The police look all around. They find several pieces of evidence at the crime scene. They noticed a blood trail left by the idiot

Mike Smith as he left the house, going all the way downstairs, outside, trail right through the shit, right through everything. One of his socks was recovered from under Wayne's body. He lost a fucking sock and didn't notice.

Didn't even notice! You put his shoes back on. On a foot with one sock. One sock. And he was like, that's cool. That seems right. I think I only put on one sock. One sock. And he was like, that's cool. That's his, right? Yeah. I think I only put on one sock. It's a morning bucket.

He's, uh, wow. One fucking sock this guy's got. So he's got one sock. They also find three beer cans outside with his fingerprints all over them and DNA and everything else and also the keys to the house that he used to enter the house. Again, his keys.

He left them in the lock. His keys, fingerprint all over the place. Fucking moron. Just did not. This is disorganized as it comes here. So they find all that. Jesus Christ, man. They don't notice, by the way, the blood messages on the floor at first.

It takes the police a couple of days to notice that. They don't notice it because she puts it in and then it flows over. Oh, gotcha. So you can see it. The police didn't notice it live. They noticed it two days later. And then they went back and looked at their crime scene photos. And they were like, holy shit.

How did we not fucking see that while it was happening? Wild. So that happens like that. So right away they didn't do that so they end up they pull up the uh linoleum yeah they pull up the whole the whole chunk of the kitchen and take it to the to the station with them as evidence here to you know because it's there she's saying who fucking killed her that's kind of important a little important uh they didn't find any weapons though because he took the knife out and did his thing with that. Right, right. And buried it under the tin. Right. Yeah, and later in July, a guy found that. A farm worker at the next farm there found the knife under the tin.

He had to move some shit, and he's like, these are a bloody knife here. Right. This is odd. My tan was covered in blood. This wasn't here yesterday. Not good here. So no weapons there. They find that.

Now, they figure out where he even got this knife. This is his knife. I thought it was a kitchen knife the whole time. I forgot it was his knife. But it's actually his knife. And they find it because they figure out who did it. An old girlfriend gave it to him. Oh, whoops-a-daisy.

Yeah, an old girlfriend gave it to him. She remembers it. She identifies it and says exactly when she gave it to him. Wow. He's killing an ex-girlfriend with a gift from another ex-girlfriend. From an ex-ex-girlfriend. Jesus.

Yeah, he's paying it forward, I think, is what that's called. That's a fucking sick way. So, yeah, so she identifies... It's like me beating my wife to death with my piss-soaked fucking mattress. That's a good point. Paying it forward.

Beating her to death with a piss soap mattress. To death, mind you. With a mattress. How many times would you have to hit someone with a mattress? It's a big mattress.

You lay on top. Kind of suffocate them and shit. Smooshing. Just saying that's all she ever gave me oh boy piss puddle of piss thankfully

so this is good though because this is identified and it is not only through fingerprints and everything else but it's linked to him through that

yeah no doubt that's his god damn for sure so uh August 25th 1997 he's charged with two counts of first degree murder which uh fits the bill so right yeah that's his goddamn murder. For sure. So, August 25th, 1997,

he's charged with two counts of first degree murder, which, fits the bill. Yeah, that's also here. Prosecutors want to seek the death penalty

for him, because he's a dickhead. There's someone over here that says, you're the wolf? Kill him! I am. So,

there's a pre-trial hearing now. There's some issues, because this is a small town, and when we get small towns, we get conflicts of interest because everybody fucking knows each other, and that's not good for... And super religious. Well, that's not good for anything. When everybody knows each other,

it's bad for genetic diversity. It's bad for... It's also bad for the legal system, unfortunately. Because on April 28, 1981, which is 16 years before these charges came out, the prosecutor was an attorney on Smith's behalf.

Was an attorney on a work permit revocation matter. He did one court appearance for him back in 1981 on that. This was when the work permit was something. I don't know what he needed a work permit for. He was like 12 or something. I don't understand. Like a food handler's card or something? I don't know, but it was revoked

and this guy was trying to help him get it back. Got it. And so they had a hearing. He put a burger in a burger or something? Yeah, and they were like, you can't do that anymore. They yanked his fucking card from him. So to do all that,

they had a hearing concerning, for this case, not back then, whether the prosecutor should be disqualified from prosecuting this case because he knows him. The prosecutor said that he had no recollection

of this whatsoever. No recollection of the work permit thing, which is 17 years ago and it was a one-day thing. All right. So I get that. That's fine.

But the problem was, in 1983, he also represented Smith in the felony stealing charge. Oh, shit. So he's represented him in the felony stealing charge. He's represented him in a felony. He kind of knows shit about him. He has some information he shouldn't have as a prosecutor. This guy told him

things that he wouldn't tell other people. That's a problem there. What they do is the court they have a big priest. They have a big investigation. They do the whole thing. They have a hearing. They end up dismissing it and saying that the prosecutor can prosecute the case based on this. He says he doesn't remember anything. He just remembers who he is.

He doesn't remember any of the details. He doesn't remember anything he told him. Nothing privileged. Anything like that. Which, right away, that's bullshit. That's a bad move by a judge. In a small town, yeah. That's a bad move.

Just get somebody else in there. It's a fucking open and shut case. This is clear. He doesn't even deny it. That's the bad move by a judge. In a small town, yeah. That's a bad move. Just get somebody else in there. It's a fucking open and shut case. I mean, this is clear. He doesn't even deny it. That's the other thing. He's not even saying I didn't do it. He's not even saying I didn't do it. They caught him covered in blood.

Yeah, sure, I did. It's like last week with the head. Yeah, what are you going to do? I didn't do it? He tried to say I didn't do it. Yeah, yeah, he did. This guy never tries to say he didn't do it. He's like, yeah, I did.

That's not a question. The question is whether this guy should be representing me or not, basically, here. So they had the hearing here. Like I said, didn't recall anything. Prosecutor's allowed to try the case. The trial starts in May 1999. Now, his strategy was not to contest that he was the killer. That's the thing.

He's like, that's cool. Not going to even fight that. was the killer. That's the thing. He's like, that's cool. Not going to even fight that. But he offers testimony of a Dr. Michael Stacey who testifies that his capacity to deliberate before the killings was substantially impaired. Which, alcohol is not

an excuse. I was drunk. That's what he's using? That's his excuse. But he's not saying it was alcohol. He was saying it was this combination of things. He says, Dr. Stacey says that he suffered from, quote, recurrent major depression and personality disorder. Not otherwise specified. Join the club.

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That sounds like every day. Right. Yeah, this guy needs to kill people. And alcohol makes it worse, sir. Yeah, this is ridiculous.

How many times have you said some dumb shit because you were drunk? Because you've got an already social anxiety disorder, and then alcohol makes that worse, and then you scream, I like boobies, in front of like your aunt or something.

In front of the fourth grade class. At your daughter's fourth grade graduation. So, this doctor testifies In front of the fourth grade class. At your daughter's fourth grade graduation. Right. Exactly. So this doctor testifies that he reviewed the records. This guy had two prior hospitalizations. So the cross-examination of the state, this is, I kind of like this actually here. This is, the lawyer says, quote, you are aware and the records reflect the reasons why he checked themselves into these units during that time, don't they?

And he says, yes, I believe so. And he says, and in fact, one of the precipitating factors and one of the reasons why he checked himself into the hospital at that time was that his ex-wife filed for divorce and got an ex parte judgment against him for choking her. Isn't that correct? And then he was forced to say, that's correct. So that wouldn't have been introduced if they didn't try to bring that shit into it anyway you can't introduce character unless

the defense brings in character and they brought that up that he was in the hospital like oh yeah well why was he there let's talk about that this woman choking asshole not going to get a lot of sympathy for the history of choking women and how you've escalated to many stabs that's a lot so the state offers their own testimony

to rebut this and this guy basically says he's a lot. So the state offers their own testimony to rebut this and this guy basically says, he's a jerk-off. That's his problem. He's a fucking jerk-off. He says he has, quote, narcissistic personality disorder with obsessive compulsive traits. Where you at, man? Narcissistic personality disorder sounds a lot more accurate here.

I might have been depressed too, but like I said, who the fuck isn't? He says he also, he testifies he thinks he's also an alcoholic, obviously. But this is, a lot of these guys, Dahmer used to have to get drunk to kill people. That's what he did. He'd bring them back, he'd get shit-faced, he had to do it. He was 15 drinking vodka at school. That's crazy.

But I mean, he had to. Somebody wooed him. He had to do it, though. Until it was your kid. Jesus. So yeah, they offer this testimony. So the state inquires into the records of past relationships and all this, and this doctor does. And he says, this is a great, this really nails this guy.

The doctor says, quote, it showed again the pervasive pattern throughout his life of this type of behavior where the self-centered behavior, exploiting those about him, taking advantage of him, of them. And also coupled with that is the feeling of entitlement, the display of a great deal of entitlement, the scheduling of things. With a narcissistic personality, everything revolves around them and not that they revolve around the universe. They see themselves as the center of the universe. And he says this guy, yeah. He displayed arrogant behavior towards everyone and at times ended up in violence. That's exactly what a narcissist is.

He would get in fights at work. Oh, really? There's several instances of this asshole being on a line with somebody and the guy did something he didn't like and he just physically attacked another worker. He actually fought him. No, he actually physically, not fought, just attacked. There's a difference.

Fight is, fuck you, you say fuck me, and I say you want to step outside, and you say, yeah, that's a fight. If I just come up to you

and start punching you in the face and you don't expect anything, that's an attack. That's different. You're fucked up. If I just go, what are you doing over there?

I don't like that. And then just start jacking you in the face, that's an issue, I think, at that point. It happens. So on May 14th, 1999, literally the only thing he had to

talk, and the only thing he had was you know, am I mentally unfit? That's it. Amidst the killing, so the jury does not have a whole lot of sympathy for him, as you might imagine. I'm sure half of them are depressed too and everything else, so they probably don't have a lot of sympathy. Everybody's depressed. So, they

find him guilty on two counts of first degree murder. If they don't have a lot of sympathy. Everybody's depressed. So they find him guilty on two counts of first degree murder. If they couldn't even get out of a goddamn... Jake, you've only been married for like three months. You should be so happy. Why are you depressed? What are you talking about? We're talking about everybody's depressed. Everybody is depressed. Dude, I am depressed as fuck always. You know that.

When have you ever seen me happy? When have you ever seen me happy? When have you ever seen me happy? I don't know that impression links with being angry as fuck. Yeah, well, angry too. I'm angry that I'm not happy. That's the problem. I'm angry that I'm fucking...

I don't understand why this is happening. I'm just angry all the time. I've never been fucking happy. All right. I walk around Disneyland like, this sucks, man. Fucking sucks. I just... fuck, man.

Who the fuck likes that place? I hate it, but I'm just trying to say it's supposed to be the happiest place on earth and I'm not happy with my point. So in comedy, when people book you, you get super excited. And then the club calls James and goes, would you like to be at the club all weekend,

six shows, which means you're making money and you're getting free food and free booze all weekend. And James will call me and be like, I have to fucking perform all weekend. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do this. I'm being fucking honest with you. You don't think I sat in my hotel room today

going, how the fuck can I get out of this? God damn straight I did. Look that. Find some weed and get the fuck out of here. I'm doing this shit. I'm taking a hike. But I didn't find any weed, so I'm here. Fuck it.

What are we going to do? All right. My girl. We're going to talk. I like you. Good deal. Perfect. Good deal.

You drink all you want later. That was a good way to get weed for James. That's just the way it is. But I'd also like you. Good deal. Perfect. Good deal. You drink all you want later. That was a ploy to get weed for James. That's just the way it is. But I'd also like weed. So, shall we get to the penalty? Yes. Let's get to sentencing here. The fun stuff.

May 15th, 1999. The next day is sentencing. During this, the state introduces evidence of his prior history. Now they get to bring in everything. Prior history, prior convictions, felony stealing, orders of protection. They get to put the impact statements of family members out there, which I fucking love, too. And did the lady that gets slashed do an impact statement? Oh, fuck yeah, she did.

We had victims' relatives here. Monty Kearns, Sandy Kearns, Mark Howering, Yvonne Howering all testified about those two and how great they were and how wonderful and showed nice pictures like I showed you of her with her big hair. Oh, isn't she sweet? Smith also tried to bring in character witnesses here,

which is hilarious. Why? Your Honor, I called my parole officer. There he is. I called the guy I beat up on the assembly line at work. She gave me a really nice knife, Your Honor, I called my parole officer. There he is. I called the guy I beat up on the assembly line at work. She gave me a really nice knife, Your Honor. It was good. He presented his family and friends, and they testified, and also to another psychiatrist, to say that he was trying to just mitigate the whole thing.

You know what I mean? So the defense in their closing, this is interesting here. I'm sorry, the prosecution in their closing this is interesting here I'm sorry the prosecution in their closing I apologize the defense in their closing said quote life imprisonment without parole is a harsh punishment I think about the nature of that punishment

never again to be free never to make a meaningful decision on your own never to have your children or your loved ones see you free again no graduation ceremonies, no marriages no confirmations. No more of the happy times out free. No chance of parole ever. If you sentence him to life without parole, he'll be

guarded by prison guards that haven't even been born yet, if he lives that long. So, he'll be there forever. If you sentence him to life... Holy shit, that's harsh. If you sentence him to life without parole, he's returning to a prison cell every day for the rest of his life. He's saying, I know you 12 people hate this fucking guy.

But this is worse than death. Really, just give him this. He will be guarded by prison guards who have not been born yet. That's a good line. That is fucking amazing. It's a pretty fucking solid line. That's like what you would say about James Woods' next wife.

She's not been born yet. That's right. He would say about James Woods' next wife. She's not that boring. That's right. Thank you. He's a piece of shit. And then he says... I like how he added, if he lives that long. He could just drop dead right there, so we don't know what's going to happen here. So, yeah, the close of this penalty phase, the evidence and the instructions,

and the jury finds aggravating circumstances with regards to Brandy. Because they have to find an aggravator to find the death penalty here. They find that the murder was committed while engaged in the commission of another unlawful homicide. So they call that an aggravator. Also, he was engaged in the perpetration of a burglary. Even though he wasn't stealing anything, he went into a residence unauthorized. And that's burglary in the perpetration of a burglary even though he wasn't stealing anything he went into a residence unauthorized and that's burglary in the state of Missouri so either way

that's burgling at that point now the jury found the same aggravating factors for Wayne's death they also found in Wayne's murder it involved depravity of the mind that the murder was wantonly vile horrible and inhuman yeah fuck that's 12 people sat and vile, horrible and inhuman. Yeah. Fuck, that's

12 people sat and talked about that shit and that's what they came out. They put the word wantonly in there. Wantonly vile and inhuman. Inhuman. The jury shockingly, surprisingly recommends death for both counts. Yeah, alright. Still has to be formally sentenced

if the judge has to agree with this, that everything went down fine and everything like that. July 6th, 1999, sees formally sentenced if the judge has to agree with this that everything went down fine and everything like that July 6th 1999 he's formally sentenced to death in addition the court sentenced him

to consecutive terms of 20 years in prison on the armed criminal action all right just in case yeah

we're gonna keep you here anyway well it's just in case the other shit gets squashed on something yeah because he files appeals. July 15th, 1999, files an appeal.

December of 2000, this finally gets heard a year and a half later. Jesus Christ, that is slow shit. But good, fuck this guy. Who? Hmm. Yeah? What you got? You just killed two people horribly.

And why would you even want to be in prison for life? Like, wouldn't you just be like, yeah, I'll take the death? Well, let's see what he does. Because he might. And he might not. And he might say he does. And then he doesn't. He might say he's not.

What the fuck? You never fucking know this guy. This is way worse. He's a liar. Let's just say that. So in the appeal, he claims the trial court abused its discretion when it overruled his motion to disqualify the prosecutor. He said that violated his right to due process. And I think he may actually have a point on that one.

I actually agree with that shit. They said evidence touching on both cases in which the prosecutor defended the appellant was admitted during the appellant's trial in this case. So they're saying that – Anyway, it doesn't matter. That's their thing. Prosecutors shouldn't have been there. So they talk a lot about the Miriam Daniels, who's his former girlfriend. Got it. And that sort of thing.

They're saying that none of that should have been introduced. They shouldn't have been able to bring in his ex-wife and his ex-girlfriends and testify against him. It's like, no, you're on trial for stalking and killing a woman. That's really relevant shit right there, I would say. Like, excessively relevant. This Miriam Daniels said that she said that twice he pulled her out of cars. One time after he broke the car's window with his fist. Jesus.

He punched the fucking window out and yanked the screen. That's insane behavior. Like, who the fuck does that? I hope that was like the second time. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I hope that was. That was the first time. If that was the first time,

there shouldn't have been another time that he jerked her out of a car. I feel like the second time she just rolled it down and went, Let me make this easy on both of us. I'm tired of replacing windows. My premium on glass is shit. I'm telling you that right now.

Insurance sucks, so this is not great here. I can't imagine snatching a woman out of a window. I would hope not. Mostly because it's hard for me to see over the window in the first place. She described one time when he came to her school, because they went out when he was younger and she was still in high school. He came to her school and threw they went out when he was younger and she was still in high school. He came to her school and threw her up against some lockers, and she

ended up having to have a restraining order placed on him. They also... Yeah, that's going to happen. The state used the 1983 stealing conviction to prove his status as a prior offender and the whole deal. So they're... They want to kill him, and he doesn't want to die at this point, obviously.

So, basically, the the ruling and this is the rule this is some dry shit but it's two seconds you need to know the rule the rule on the conflict of interest on the prosecutor it says that a lawyer who has formerly represented a client in a matter shall not thereafter represent another person in the same or

substantially related matter in which that person's interests are materially adverse to the interests of the former client unless the former client consents after consultation. Okay. So if you prosecute someone, or if you represent somebody, you can't prosecute them. I would say this is adverse to his interests to try to put him in the, yeah, that's what

they're doing here. And they're also saying using information related to previous representation, which we don't know what he does or not, if he has or not. The prosecutors that ruling on this is the prosecutor's connection to the work permit in 1981 wasn't a big deal. It was a one day thing and there was no privileged information. The felony stealing, though, the prosecutor probably had privileged information, which he had prior to this guy pleading guilty. had privileged information, which he had prior to this guy pleading guilty, but they

say the record doesn't provide support for Smith's assumption that the prosecutor was engaged in any communication that had any relevance whatsoever. So they said, you didn't prove that you told that guy shit that's relevant now. I don't care. That just looks bad. If you're going to kill someone, you have

to do it fucking clean as a whistle, I feel like. You know what I mean? That way it just doesn't look bad. That way we can all feel better about this asshole being dead and not fucking be like, I don't know, that's kind of fucked up. Because that's the whole problem with the whole thing is that I don't want to, I'm not sure. I don't want to, I'm not sure. Now, this one, luckily, we're sure. We're for sure.

We're for sure on this one here. We're for sure if all the legal dots were, eyes were dotted? That's it. Yeah. And lowercase j. T's crossed and I's dotted. So this all happens here. The other appeal factors are the disqualified jurors.

They did some disqualification here. There was a juror named Fox that repeatedly stated that she would find it, quote, hard to sentence someone to death, though she could probably impose the death penalty if the crime was, quote, atrocious enough. I think that's pretty much everybody. Normal people. Some people are like, yeah, fucking kill them. That's how everybody should be. That's kind of the middle. If he did something

horrible like stab somebody eight times in the middle of the night while breaking into their house for no reason, then stabbing their stepfather and trying to kill their mother, that seems horrible. That's atrocious. She also said she stated she would not expect the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. What? I think that's a little off. Holy shit.

I hope you aren't ever in the wrong place at the wrong time. No shit. You white, privileged woman. You don't need to go that far. Jesus. That's a white woman for sure. Absolutely. She also said she couldn't... She said she wouldn't be able to fill out

or sign a verdict form sentencing him to death. She said she couldn't. So all of this here. There's another juror, Douglas, that stated that she could, quote, go for the death penalty. I could go for that. What do you want, a taco?

I could go for tacos. Sounds good. What the fuck is that? I can go for tacos. Sounds good. What the fuck is that? It's so weird, man. She said, without qualification, she said that she could decide whether the state met its burden of proof, whether aggravating circumstances

existed beyond a reasonable doubt, whether mitigating factors outweighed aggravating factors, the whole deal, and whether the death penalty is appropriate with very little context. She doesn't give a fuck. No. Give me the gist, and I'll tell penalty is appropriate, with very little context. She doesn't give a fuck. Give me the gist, and I'll tell you

if you fucking kill this guy or not. She is the Tupac of jurors. She does not give a fuck about anything. Then they asked her if she could sign a verdict form while acting as the foreperson of the jury, and she said that she doesn't think she could do that. So she wants to kill him, but she said if she did that personally, she would feel

like she was, quote, committing murder also. Fair enough. So there wants to kill him but she said if she did that personally she would feel like she was quote committing murder also. Fair enough. So there's another jury Deal is the last name he says the same thing he says he can't vote he could vote for death

but he's not going to sign the verdict. Okay. These fucking people I want him to die but I don't want my name on it. Right. It's like come on.

I don't want to take responsibility for it. You should have yeah give me a fucking break man that's that's I'm sorry but you say you're not you're not into it then.

That's crazy though. That's false. Truly. Yeah. but you say you're not into it then. That's crazy. That's false. Truly. Yeah. If you're going to go for it, go all the way. Come on. They also tried to, remember that little speech, the closing that the defense gave about life in prison? Yeah.

Prison guards that haven't even been born yet there and all that kind of shit. They tried to, they tried to like object. It's so weird. They tried to... The state objected in the middle of their speech, basically, on this whole thing. The state objected, and the defense says that basically just the interruption was enough to throw the whole meaning of the whole thing off. Okay. Which is bullshit. That's what lawyers do.

That's gamesmanship. Someone's up talking. You find something... Look at the whole thing off. Okay. Which is bullshit. I mean. That's what lawyers do. That's gamesmanship. Someone's up talking, you find something. Look at the OJ case. They interrupted Marsha Clark every three fucking minutes on purpose to fuck her up.

That's the point. But the jury's supposed to be sitting there collecting information enough to where that's not going to, you know, drive it off the deep end here. So they find out that his,

they find that his argument is completely without merit. No merit at all to that. So he also contends that the trial court shouldn't have admitted the testimony of the two ex-girlfriends because it was too remote to be relevant. I'm sorry. Stalking is stalking no matter when it is

at that point here. Also, he says they shouldn't have been able to take the linoleum with them for some reason. It's just so weird. I don't understand. How southern is that? That's hilarious. He says even if his name is relevant, he says the stuff about Tatum and save Tatum

were completely irrelevant to any issue of the case. They said that was just putting the needle in the side a little more. It's like, yes, you did it. That's what you do. You take all the details and you do that. I'm sorry, someone's scrawling shit in their blood. If you're a prosecutor, you go, that's gold.

This guy's going to fucking fry. Those are usually the people that are the most honest. You know what I mean? They rarely lie. And there's a thing about... Do you know what I mean? There's a law about dying declarations also. That's a big deal.

If someone knows they're dying, they have to know they're dying. If they know that death is imminent, whatever they say is a dying declaration and it's admissible even if they're not alive to say it. They just have to know they're dying. It's very rare that somebody gets stabbed. They know they're bleeding out and they're like, you know that one dick I fucking hate?

I'm just going to kill you. It's him. Fuck this guy. I don't think she ever touched himself. He never returned my lawnmower. I think it was... I think it was funny. Look around.

Jesus Christ, man. Oh, man. So... So the state just had to prove that she thought she was dying. And it's pretty fucking obvious she's dying. She, you know, whatever. So, yeah. Also, too, they're arguing all sorts of shit with the goddamn lawyers.

It's, goddammit, with these trial lawyers and all. They get into such minutia. And I get it's a death penalty case and you have to. But it's a little ridiculous. But finally they make last arguments on this whole thing. Okay. but it's a little ridiculous but finally they make last arguments on this whole thing his point is that the prosecutor's argument that the death would be a thousand times more merciful

than Brandy's his death would be a thousand times more merciful than Wayne's that's what the prosecutor said which is true the prosecutor said quote he gave them no judge he gave them no lawyer he gave them no appeal and so the defense council objected to that when it was said and now they're trying to bring that up on appeal, which that's what every

fucking lawyer says in every case. Watch any television. You gave no sympathy therefore we don't want to give it to you. That's so common. That's exactly that's the line you get. It's ridiculous. Why should you get anything else? Trump is orange. That's what that is. Everybody says it. It doesn't matter. It's true.

So he also objected to his ex-wife testifying as to whether he was a good father or not, saying that's irrelevant to anything. I don't know. Yeah. Kind of plays into shit. I would say a little bit. Shit dads do a lot of dumb shit. They do a lot of dumb shit.

They're usually assholes. Exactly. And I think that if you don't even care about your fucking kids, you're not going to really care about anybody else either. So he's, and he also talks about the aggravating aggravating circumstances thinking about their dad sorry yeah sorry guys so he also brings up the burglary thing saying he wasn't stealing anything and they said that doesn't matter like we said earlier uh jury also finds the aggravator of depravity which doesn't even matter anyway because they found

that so depravity is enough without the other shit anyway. Anyway, they end up saying, fuck you. Judge panel holds up the sentence. That's not enough. All those factors don't mean shit. There is one dissenting opinion, though. There's a guy named Judge Michael A. Wolf. And this guy, he's a pistol, this one.

He's a firecracker here. He says, in a fundamental way, the principled opinion damages the integrity of the legal profession. That's fucking harsh. There is no dispute that the prosecutor in this case had represented Smith in two previous criminal cases as his defense attorney. Moreover, the prosecutor, Smith's erstwhile defender, used one of those convictions in persuading the jury to impose

the death penalty. I'm going to Google erstwhile. He's all about that shit. So he's all about that shit. So he's all about, he's all about that. He's, uh, yeah. Fuck is erstwhile? What the hell does that mean? Like, at the same time as?

What the fuck is he talking about? Fuck. Fuck it. Let's Google it. How do you spell Earth's wild? Nobody fucking tell him, please. Let's see if he figures it out before the show's over.

What do you say? Alright, former. Got it. Thank you. You didn't get that from context? No. What the fuck else did you think it meant? I told you what I thought it meant. What? I thought it meant at the same time.

He represented him 15 years before that, though. I don't know what's going on. There you go. I don't pay attention. I heard a word that I didn't know, and I was like, don't give a fuck about what Russ, you say. What is erstwhile?

So, this judge says he would grant a new trial. Yeah. April 12, 2001, he files a motion for post-conviction relief in circuit court.

July 25, 2001, he asks the circuit, Smith asks the circuit court to dismiss his motion for post-conviction relief. So he files something. Two months later, he says,

never mind. Don't, you know what, that thing I filed, throw that shit in the garbage. Yeah. Yeah. He's saying he wants to die now.

And now he's trying to be like all. He says, this is from a newspaper article around there from the time. It says, a man sentenced to death for killing a northeast Missouri woman and her stepfather wants all appeals dropped and an execution date set. Yeah. He wrote a judge. He wrote a letter. This is going to backfire.

Yeah. He wrote a letter to the judge saying he was sorry for his crimes. Yeah. letter to the judge saying he was sorry for his crimes. He wrote that he wanted the relatives of the victims to quote, to know I am very sorry for what I did, but nonetheless

I am totally guilty for what I did. The punishment of death is suitable. He said he doesn't want to pursue appeals. He's waving at all future appeals. Now Yvonne, the mother here, she is skeptical. She says, quote, I doubt it will happen. He said that before, and then he changed his mind.

So he's like, this guy's a dick, because he's done this before. He said, I want to die. And then he's like, no, no, never mind. I don't want to die. I didn't do it. So 2002, he files for more post-conviction relief. She was right. She knows this asshole.

She's been around him. September 18, 2001, the court dismisses his motion for post-conviction relief. October 25, 2001, more appeals. 2003, in March, Missouri Supreme Court affirms the dismissal of the post-conviction relief. This is like all these little things that you have to go through. It's so annoying. Missouri Supreme Court then denies his attorney a motion for a rehearing and sets an execution date for May 14, 2003. Okay? Now, May 1, 2003, the Supreme Court sets

a later execution date for October 29, 2003. Now, October 23, the U.S. Supreme Court denies his final appeal. Fantastic. That's the 23rd. He does have the 11th hour appeals he can file. These people are pissed.

They don't like it. He does have the 11th hour appeals he can file. These people are pissed. They want that too. He does have the 11th hour appeals he can file at the last minute like we had last time. So he does all of that. Now, October 28, 2003, he's set to die at 12.05 a.m. next day. He had access to the forms for his 11th hour federal appeals, but he did not use them at all. He didn't fill out any forms, didn't do any of that shit, spent his day quietly, had no visitors, no visitors, and he ate ice cream and granola bars all day,

which I feel like that's what that looked like if he got it on Pinterest. You think he made ice cream granola bar sandwiches? I think he got real Pinterest-y on that shit. That's hot shit right there, man. That's going to work. Waker and Blue Bunny. that's hot shit right there man that's gonna work so it all went to that shit

Wicker and Blue Bunny totally I want him I'm gonna do this shit so he's that's all he had he didn't even he didn't have a last meal

his last meal was granola and ice cream just over the course of the day what a day yeah that's so exciting to find out what they eat

it's so much fun it's such a let down when it's a piece of shit meal it's so exciting To find out what they eat It's so much fun It's such a let down when it's a piece of shit meal It's so funny I had two cases I was choosing between And the one the guy's last meal Was a grilled cheese and some onions And I was like not on the sandwich Just some raw onions and grilled cheese

It's like a handful of cut up onions That's the last thing he wants as he dies Okay what an idiot here So uh He's just hoping that that kind of... What the fuck is that? That's the last thing he wants is he dies. Okay, what an idiot here. He's just hoping that that stuff clogs up the vein so it doesn't work. Yeah, exactly. He rejects all interview requests from people. He doesn't put any more challenges out there.

He says he's very sorry. He says he's mentally fit to abandon his legal challenges and ready to die, quote, once and for all. I don't think he knows what dying means. Dumbass. He should probably Google that like I did erstwhile. That's what he should do. Once and for all. You only do it

once, dumb dumb. I've never seen this name in my life. Bridie? Bridie? B-R-I-D-I-E. Anybody? Bridie? Is that a name? I'm. Bridie? Bridie? B-R-I-D-I-E. Anybody? Bridie? Is that a name? I'm going to go with his mom's an asshole. That's what she is. And Irish, so she's

drunk too. So, uh, what is it again? Bridie? Bridie Brooks is Brandy's sister, and she says she can't wait to watch him die. I can't wait. She said, for myself, I want to see him take his last breath.

It's something I promised Brandy and Wayne. Smith saw them and knew they were taking their last breaths. I am going to be there to do the same thing. I'm there to make sure it's done. I am ready. What's she going to do? Jump in there? You're not fucking doing it right.

Put a pillow over his fucking face. I've had it. These drugs are too goddamn slow. Too slow. I'll tie the tourniquet. Let's go. Yes. So his final words... She's been going to school to be a phlebotomist for this day. She invested 30 grand

into college for this shit. She cannot wait. So his final words are, first of all, I want to tell the whole family of the victims just how truly sorry I am for all the pain and grief

I have caused you by my actions. I sincerely have been praying for all of you. I don't think they need the prayers, honestly. I think you're the one here. Yeah. I only ask that someone

somewhere down life's road, you can find it in your hearts to forgive me. I know my death can never bring back your loved ones, but I pray my death may bring you some sort of peace. That's exactly what you want the guy to say. Actually, you want him to be like,

fuck you so you're happy he's dead. That's what you really want. But while he said that, Bridie Brooks here, the sister shouted, burn in hell from behind the glass. She's the fucking star here. He's like, I'm very sorry.

I'm gracious. I'm all this. And she's like, fuck you. That's brilliant. Oh, I love her, man. She's good shit. She's angry. Yeah.

So they had eight state witnesses, 12 family members of the victims, and two volunteer spiritual advisors who watched through the windows as they... Well, these states do it different ways, and it's always fascinating to me. Bridey singing, eat dicks. Yeah, she's screaming. She can't wait.

She's like, just eat dicks, sir. I hope that... Dancing. I can't wait to see the... They cover him up in a white sheet up to his neck. He's on a gurney, and that looks... There he is, by the way. Oh, what a turn.

Look at that fucking guy. He killed that nice young fucking girl. Does that make you angry or what, man? What a dickhead. Looks like a guy that just goes straight

to Amy's house. His eyes are dead, man. His eyes are dead as shit. Like, look at him. Ready to die. So that's the gurney. Nice. That's the Missouri gurney

right there. The old Missouri gurney. Yeah. The old Missouri gurney. Yeah, so they do the three tubes from a hole in the wall directly behind him into one of his arms. They do it from the other side. They don't even have the guy

sitting there do it. Yeah, that I don't like. I don't like that at all. I don't like that either. If you're going to kill somebody, you have to put your fucking name on it. I'm sorry. Put your name on it,

stand out there in a shirt with your fucking name on it and say, I'm killing this guy because I believe in it and it's my profession. Don't be the guy standing behind the fucking wall. I don't like that. That's chicken shit. That's chicken shit. And the time of night. I don't like the whole thing. Do it at

noon. Let anyone they want come. High noon. And have the guy who does it show his ID before he fucking does it. I don't care at this point here. So he looked to the left. He stared at the witnesses. He mouthed the words, I'm sorry. And then he looked straight ahead and he said, I know and I'm sorry.

And Brandy was talking more shit to her. She was too. Like a hockey fan on the other side of the glass. That's what it is. She's fucking excited. She's like, yeah, get in the box, asshole. Right in the box. That's a five minute major, dickhead. Get in there.

So, yeah, so he does all that. They put the sodium pentothal in, and he coughed slightly, closed his eyes. All deal. He's dead. He's the 58th murderer executed in the U.S. in 2003. Wow. From 76 to 2003, 878th person put to death. That seems

like a shitload. That's a lot. That's a fucking lot when you add it all up. That seems like too many almost. Depends on the crimes is the thing. That's a lot though. That's just a lot of people to kill. If somebody said in the last 30 years, the

government of this shit third world country has killed a thousand people you'd be like fuck who the fuck's in charge of that? Get them out of there. You know? But this is like

we're like well he killed a goat so it's whatever it is. So anyway I'm so torn on this fucking death penalty. I know. I'm so torn on it.

I really want to see assholes like this die but I don't want to see it that way. I don't want to see it through a tube and a wall in the back. I want to see like, you know, Wayne's brother come out and get to

strangle him to death or something. Like, yes! Perfect! Yes! Put a claw hammer through the back of his fucking head or something. If somebody has the wherewithal that wants to do it and is a party of the thing and deserves to do it, let them do it. Otherwise, what the fuck are we doing? It's just weird, cold-blooded fucking murder and strange, and I find it

creepy as shit. Sorry. But yeah, I do. Let's give the family the last word on this one here. Let's not give this asshole the last word. Amy Howering, who is Wayne's daughter. And by the way, she was the one who sold him the 12-pack at the convenience store. Oh, no way! Yes.

She was working at the convenience store. She sold him. And then she got drunk and went and killed her dad. Well, what the fuck did you leave that out for, you asshole? Because I had a bunch of court shit, and I needed a hoe at the end of the fucking thing. What do you think, I wanted to end on fucking court documents? I'm a mess right now. And jury wadiers? Damn it.

God damn it. I needed an upper to open it. This is goddamn right. She recognized, oh, good. You're fucking right, Jimmy. God damn it. I needed an upper to open it. She recognized. You're fucking right, Jimmy. God damn it. Oh my God. So anyway, she said,

Bridie Brooks said that the apology rang hollow. She said he has no peace. She said at a press conference, it's a joke. He never apologized to us. He never apologized during the trial it was just something to get back at us he never showed remorse he's not human to me and I have no

sympathy for him whatsoever thank you and good night and she walked off the fucking stage that's a mic drop right there eat that shit so her daughter the daughter ended up living with the grandmother she lived with Yvonne she did not they didn't at that point they didn't tell her about the attacks yet when he had

been executed. They didn't tell her what happened. They just told her that her mother was buried but didn't tell her exactly what the deal was because she's seven and she really doesn't need to know those horrific details. And by the way, you were there. That's not something you want to know. And really,

the sister, the bride, it bothers her a lot with the kid. She says, quote, she doesn't have the grief or bitterness that I know I have. She says, Tatum has her own personality, but part of my sister lives with her, which is nice. It is crazy. By the way, also, Smith's father, here's another row, Smith's father and Howering were really good buddies and hung out the day before. What the fuck? Fuck yeah.

Those guys were drinking beers, watching fireworks and shit, and then the other... It's fucking crazy. You want to come to the parade with me? Sure. Crazy. Dude, that's a small...

That is small-town murder right there, man. Brandy is buried at the Forest Grove Cemetery in Canton, in Lewis County there, and Wayne is buried at the Bluff Springs Cemetery in Gregory Landing. And I have those pictures here. There's Glenn's grave. And there is Brandy's grave. They did a really nice thing for Brandy. It's like a two-sided deal.

Has like a big picture of her face on it with her nursing uniform on. They tried to do a nice thing for that. So that's nice. But either way, they're dead and so is he. Everybody's fucking dead. Jesus. Good night, everybody. That's Small Town Murder. Everybody dies. Thank you guys so much for coming out.

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