Some More News - Jordan Peterson (Brief) Debrief, Alex Jones Pays Up, and EVEN MORE Kansas Victories

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

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Yeah. But there was a point where I became Dave and I'm honestly not sure when that happened. Which you don't have a preference. No, absolutely not. I couldn't possibly like I couldn't be farther from having a prevalent preference. That's exhausting. I have to acknowledge that my audio today is weird I am back in Los Angeles cleaning out my old apartment and I didn't bring audio gear I thought that maybe I wouldn't be able to do the show and it was just going to be you three but hooray I'm here but I don't have I'm so

unprepared I don't even have headphones I thought that i thought that my apple headphones would plug into my apple computer but boy was i wrong about that how are you listening to us right now i am just listening to you i'm just listening you don't need headphones the speakers on the computer works right i don't hear any like a feedback loop though well that's probably because you guys are all wearing headphones uh zoom is just good about that but like okay yeah because i feel like you could have like a big conversation with folks on zoom with nobody wearing headphones and it uh it takes all that into account kind of like discord is a little bit good at like detecting certain things and stuff out it's not ideal headphones are better

probably but yes it is possible so i'm gonna chime in but i'm gonna see the nature of it is that we can't do we can't talk over each other which is going to be a challenge for me i think we should play it fast and loose and whatever happens happens our editor is at home going no no no no no you don't I think we should play it fast and loose and whatever happens, happens. Our editor is at home going, no, no, no,

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Oh, contentious day. Interesting. Not into it. Not into the kids. All right. Are you okay with people, like, saying hooray for kids? Because you don't have to support the kids, but do you support the people who are saying Supporting kids?

Yeah. I guess you got to get humans from somewhere. Mm-hmm. So right now, it's the best system. No other way. Yeah. At the, at the moment.

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it was unique for a month, and then you can find it anywhere. You can find a JCPenney. Yeah, then it caught on. They're like, okay, we're going to do this. I'll go so far as to wear a pair tomorrow in honor of this holiday. I won't, but... You'll wear a pair of

underwear tomorrow in honor of this holiday? Yeah,'t but you'll wear a pair of underwear tomorrow in honor of this holiday yeah just once you know what could be the harm yeah you might as well give it a shot i mean you might want to consult your doctor first yeah it's good to have a day celebrating it though it's given us so much underwear it really has so no celebrating the kids but underwear you're Kids don't need... We have birthdays. We have holidays where they get gifts. Halloween is like literally for...

Yeah, it's all... Every day is a kid day, really. Kids are the ruler of... They don't actually have power, but they also have all the power in a household. You know? Everybody is waiting on them they have no idea how truly free they are it's true yeah free from the confines of society aside from like the rules

in their household i actually have a i have an argument against that i think it sucks to be a child i remember being a child everybody was terrifying everybody was awful and like you had no rights or no control and you didn't understand anything and you were broke yeah Dave I mean you're not wrong both things can be true yeah I just think it's awful yeah it is I mean there's elements that are awful and there are things I was very aware as a kid as I got especially like middle school on, I had this idea of I'm going to miss this. And also get me, I can't wait to have freedom, but I'm going to miss it.

Right. I think twenties, I think teens, I mean like five or six. Like I, my mom had a dream that always stuck with me that she described. It was a childhood dream that she was being chased around by a skeleton. And then the skeleton had coffee with her mom and that is kind of what it's like being a child is everything's terrifying

and like adults are just like inspiring against you and there's all these rules drinking drinking these things you can't have yeah you've had some hot takes today the screw children and it sucks to be one. Yeah.

Honestly, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the news. You know? Bring that to me. Am I being controversial by saying that being a child sucks? Because I really think it's harder than we remember. I think we remember the good stuff, but being like going to school every day, all those rules,

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Speaking of lobsters on underwear. Exactly. Hopefully that underwear is giving you a jolt of serotonin so that you will get really aggressive and try to form a hierarchy. If any of our listeners don't know, the Some More News episode about Jordan Peterson came out this week.

It's three hours long. It's very good. It has been highly anticipated. Please watch it if you haven't yet. And since everyone's here, I wanted to ask some questions about it. First question I wanted to ask is about the Jungian archetypes. That's how this episode is structured. It

looks at Jordan Peterson through the lens of Jungian archetypes, which is something he brings up frequently in his books and in his lectures. I want to know how you made the decision to structure it that way. Were you already halfway done and realized this is what you were going to do? Or was that the idea right from the beginning? I know that this is a Cody thing. Uh, yeah.

Well, no, we started writing it. It's really funny. I think back of when we were we were like yeah we'll write this in the weekend we'll film it next week like it was going to be something we were going to like write real quick at one point and then realize no we can't and i remember writing it and and you clearly already had this in mind right and yeah yeah that's that's where my story ends basically yeah there was a a back and forth at one point basically because i had been toying around with this idea for a long time like not there's doing a jordan peterson episode isn't like a brilliant idea it's something you could do but i've been wanting to do one about him for a long time, a couple of years. And then so I've got pages and pages of old notes and sections and paragraphs and stuff that I was working on.

Then his wife got sick. He went into a medically induced coma. It was a whole thing. And we were basically like, let's wait. Let's not do it now. He's not going. He's going through a rough time. We don't need to pile on

and then when we return to this um yeah i just sort of had the idea that i wanted to explore it through this i thought it would be interesting to approach it from kind of from his point of view because he's so obsessed with archetypes and stories and stuff there's a brief period where i wanted to do like a hero's journey aspect of it where like yeah i reject doing this and then like at the lobster stuff it's like you're in the belly of the whale like it's like these little connections oh but for our joseph campbell episode he's gonna get taken down exactly take that joe joe can be added again at a certain point it became clear that it was three hours without any added story exactly yeah and it was like all right let's like you did a pass where you were

even taking out like little guy like little gags that were getting us there originally we're like we need to just start the episode like yeah yeah it was a whole thing like no no no no themes nothing we're just like we're talking about this guy i remember talking to you at one point for like a long time on my porch just like telling you like yeah i want to do like this youngin archetype thing and then just sort of like explaining what they are and like how they would go and like trying to like get us on the same page and then eventually it's like that a little bit yeah yeah it worked it worked like we say it bit. Yeah. Yeah. It worked. It worked. Like we say it in the episode, we play it kind of fast and loose because we,

we wanted to make the points that you, you had, right. We wanted to include everything we could. And that didn't necessarily fit into those archetypes. Yeah, exactly. In every,

in every place. Yeah. So like, yeah, we played a little loose, but like knowing like, all right, there's going to be a, an entire section where we talk about his view of women anima animus that's

perfect we're talking about how like he's got some like nazi stuff going on his shadow perfect he's actually a clown man magician weirdo the self like it's just sort of yeah some some fit really well and some didn't quite but i mean speaking of the length there are i didn't count specifically i think there are 30 plus minutes of uh clips of jordan peterson talking in this episode i think it's like a sixth of that sounds like 30 to 40 minutes would be my guess and i know there was definitely an emphasis on you know we have to keep these clips at a certain length because a part of understanding jordan peterson is watching him and listening to him talk yes for a long time i yeah no i think that was appreciate so this was shared in the jordan peterson subreddit i noticed

and much many subreddits these days are just people hating on the thing if you go into like the game of thrones subreddit it's just people talking about how much they don't like game of thrones yeah and and jordan peterson subreddit is no different there are people who are into them in that subreddit though and i think we did the right thing because the people who i i was scanning that who are like this video is good even if i like you know even if i think jordan peterson helped me a lot of what they were saying is they put his stuff into context they didn't take these quick clips that what ultimately i think that was the right decision is my point we kind of had to yeah no that's great i'm glad that uh that's nice to hear because yeah

i don't i mean it and i've seen people share clips sometimes with like he didn't really say that like he's not a very like sometimes he is the way he talks we've described in the show um and so it's kind of hard to parse but like oftentimes we and we give an example of that his enforced monogamy thing i was like he didn't explain himself well because he doesn't do that often uh but that's not what he said um yeah also oh sorry i interrupted oh no and i just i think uh it is important to show that and like you know there was one that there's the one section where i just explain what he says because there it literally is again i'm not exaggerating six minutes of him explaining why climate models are bad and him

talking about all these analogies about trading money and like it's hard to predict your your your future in life like your personal life and like the chicken and the farmer analogy and then the grasshopper stuff it's hilarious it's an amazing six minutes to just hear him go and go and go and not make any sense and i really wanted to be able to just like watch the clip, but we can't do five minute clips in the episode. So it's a kind of a challenge to figure out like, what are the pieces that are relevant? What's the context around it that's relevant that doesn't misrepresent him? And how can we still not have to force people to watch a two minute clip of him?

It's funny. Yeah. Doing the head writer gig, whenever whenever someone another writer has a clip i always check i always say is this clip a minute long is it two minutes if it hits a certain point i'm like oh nope gotta cut this down and it's just funny to like to do this one and to watch a minute and a half and go i guess all of it right like these moments where it's like this is going against everything that i've told people and that I tell myself. But, you know, for this three hour long video, we kind of have to let a lot of these clips just exist on their own.

Which isn't to say, I think you can use a sentence or two of something someone says, depending on what it is. And it's not taking out of context sometimes too. something someone says depending on what it is and it's not taking out of context sometimes too because like stuff like tweets or like yes you know when he says when he describes the holocaust is like i i forget he put a dream kind of thing yeah and it's just like there's no context for some of these sentences that's gonna make what he said yeah not fucked up we add that um i i don't even know if you noticed this because it was after the fact, it was probably after you watched the video. I found another clip where he talks about, it's a whole thing. I was looking for more Cain and Abel clips.

And he talks about Hitler and how you have to admire Hitler for his organizational skills. Right. Which is like, no, you don't. And like- It's that drill tweet, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And like, that's like, it literally greg just like popped it in it's

maybe four seconds long and it's fine that it's just him saying that because there's no scenario where that's like reasonable even if it's you gotta admire hitler he's so evil it's like then why do you have to admire him like there's no yeah there's no way to say you have to admire hitler dot dot dot and that could be anything unless it's like a joke or like exactly yeah yeah yeah you gotta admire hitler he killed hitler right exactly you know like there's one but it's it's gotta be especially challenging because i know you both were working on this on and off for since since 2021 like like actively no no really I think I think it's been months it's been yeah I'm working on this in some capacity for years in some capacity since like 2019 probably but during the active writing process

I feel like there have been some big Jordan Peterson peterson viral moments and i want to like i think him on rogan talking about climate change i think up yours woke moralists that thing i i feel like you must have been writing and then had to be like oh well we gotta figure out a way to get this in there yeah you can tell actually because the the script began originally with the climate change joe rogan clip that went viral and that was when we started writing which like because you know when whenever we talk about somebody or a subject you start with what's the most topical thing what's the foot in the door and at the time that's what that was and we yeah and then we add the elliot page stuff kind of down the line and it ended up working but like had i had the the chance to

rewrite it i probably would have started with the elliot page stuff right as opposed to that but it all worked out you know yeah i think it's still it's me yeah i think maybe we would have kept it just because i feel like the climate change stuff is so very obviously wrong like there's no like there's nothing you have to really you just have to let him talk yeah we also bookend it a little bit with it so it works and that was that was uh late january was him on rogan talking about climate change so yeah that's pretty much when we kind of started that process and then like i remember like we have emails uh back and forth and this happened also uh with the musk script recently but like i remember like

just like emailing dave like yeah he's on dailywire plus now you got to watch this dailywire plus video of his and like stuff like that where it's just like as we were writing it he became even more like dunkable um like it was a very funny period because we were like we're gonna finally do this and that's when it was like woke moralist twitter not beautiful tweet like all that kind of stuff was happening while we were uh working on it so you know we try to i mean in any episode not just a peterson episode we try to keep up as much as we can with like what just happened and sometimes we're just not gonna sometimes we'll we'll put out that that abortion episode the day that the actual the ruling comes out, you know? Yeah.

And we're usually prepared for that. But yeah, that's one of the Jordan Peterson thing. It's like, who the hell knows what he's going to say every day to day? Right. And that's the thing. I mean, that's one of the reasons it's three hours long. Yeah. He just talks and talks and talks uh all the time about anything and

everything and he's wrong most of the time or a lot of the time and so uh it's just like for me i have you know i watch a bunch of clips of him and try to get these these ideas together and then that makes my youtube algorithm keep sharing me more and more jordan peterson clips so eventually my like youtube shorts feed is just like jordan peterson andrew tate jordan peterson jordan peterson alpha mind central like all these sort of like all that kind of stuff and it turned into a 36 page document of just like a new he said this too he said this now i have a question. Have you cleared your YouTube search yet? Not yet, but I have started to dislike any Peterson video I see. So I'm at least actively telling the algorithm, I don't like this anymore.

Please stop showing it to me. But for the past few months, it's just been so many just like these 30 second snippets of him fucking just talking you still say his name all the time you'll probably get targeted ads for his fucking web seminar or whatever the worst is uh every now and then i'll find myself speaking like him i'll describe something then i'll go it's like and then like describe it some more. It's like, no. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, oh no, Dave, you can't, that can't happen. Well, it's complicated. These things are complicated.

Yeah. After, when I was going through the script and like I was clicking on and watching every clip and that was the all that was in my headphones just for hours and hours and hours. And so I was thinking and speaking in an impression, not doing a Canadian impression, just like a Jordan Peterson impression, very specifically in my head. Thinking like that and speaking like that, it feels good for me that this episode is finally out. It must feel great for both of you that this episode is out. Yes. Yes.

It's an incredible relief aside from like it's nice that all the stuff is out there now like there's some things i've wanted to talk about in relation to him for a long time and i'm glad it's like finally out there but then just like oh we're done it's okay now yeah right well yeah. It's like, no, we're not, you know? And you think, like, well. For a long time, we're done. Yeah, we're probably done. You need to let it percolate some more. Yeah.

Well, one of our thoughts is basically, like, we've settled on, we won't do another thing on him unless he directly addresses it yeah i would also say the reason this is so long is we have to take into account you know everything exactly it's everything well yeah because if we don't then then it's really about nothing so like then what then what did we do we didn't do anything so it's about everything how can our how can our model be correct if it doesn't take into account everything right so like it is true is we so imagine you're like a cockroach right okay okay and uh every day the light goes on and you scurry away okay one day the light's not going to go on and you're gonna

be like okay well now i can do a video about it sorry dave what are you gonna say no that's basically it no it's just that the next time we do a video about him it's gonna be everything he's done since this video yes exactly so that was the thing is we had to cover all the things he had done and so it's kind of like the ben shapiro one where we did a ben shapiro one later but we could hone in on like this specific thing about him and i think we can do that In the future if we have to Which is like if he keeps doing this like You know all the pronoun stuff

We can do a video just on that Just on that or like yeah if he does End up opening a church if he Ends up trying to become prime minister Of Canada which I do think he might I still think he might He talks about Trudeau a lot recently I don't know he said he

wouldn't be happy until he's prime minister not great not great not great it's not not good i'd posit that uh if he becomes prime minister he will not be happy yeah yeah uh that's a fair assessment yeah all right well thanks uh thanks for answering some questions about the episode congrats on it being out uh let's take a break and come back and talk about the news hey news dogs if you know me you know that i love doing parkour in fact right this second while i am recording this ad i'm literally in the air between two neighboring parking garages, just soaring like a cannonball, flipping upside down, linked perfectly on the roof of a Toyota Matrix. And I'm doing that while wearing tree runners from Allbirds.

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that trump carried um pretty easily uh in 2020 and i think this is a good well i mean there's other midterm elections to talk about but let's talk about this one for a bit well trump is also pro-choice so right it's almost it's almost as if pro-choice is long been the norm that we've accepted and the concept of being so pro-life or pro-anti-choice or whatever you want to call it those are traditionally associated with you know religious fanatics who are a fringe part of the country and that's how we've thought of it for a very long time and that's because that's what it actually what it is it's just now the the court is overwhelmed by them yeah a small group of fanatics have taken over the court or taken over key positions uh it's like this is maybe like like many issues in the country where a minority of the country uh is against

something that overwhelmingly everybody actually supports and if you pull them or ask them directly like do you like want this or not it comes out like this yes it's almost like that cody that's that's accurate yeah in fact i would say it's exactly that i mean there is a lot obviously roe is over the overturning of it was extremely unpopular across party lines people see it as ridiculous and for obvious reasons i'm curious what you guys think in terms of if this will be a motivator, if this is something to be indicative of in the upcoming midterms, I think, you know, obviously this, especially in some States will be a motivator for people coming out. I think it's important to note that Kansas is not as red as everybody thinks it is there. There are,

is not as red as everybody thinks it is there there are there's nuance to that state you know there there there are big cities that liberal pockets that help and people turned out specifically for this vote as opposed to showing up for you know a general democratic you know democrats so so there is yeah there's you shouldn't underestimate apathy and like as as like there i don't know about you but i was happy when i saw this i wasn't like of course i was like oh thank goodness yeah yeah because there was a time where Trump was running for president. And I remember in my head thinking like, well, obviously not him. Right. You know, that's the thing is that I think that's, was part of the shock of Trump, Trump,

you know, specifically for, you know, white people, not, maybe not everybody, but certain honkies like myself were like oh my god i can't believe the country is actually like this uh it was a little bit of a shocker and so like i think the lesson i came out of that is never underestimate you know uh never assume so like to see this photo was like oh i'm so happy and i really hope the midterms will reflect that. But who knows? Well, yeah, because it is this sort of, I think there is a bit of a disconnect between the actual issue and the messaging

from the party that purportedly wants to do something about it. And hopefully this is sort of a signal to them, like, no, be very vocal about this issue and what you want to do and what you're going to do. Yeah. To actually bring people out for them so that they can do something about it very vocal about this issue and what you want to do and what you're going to do yeah to actually bring people out for them so that they can do something about it instead of the these these measures you know because uh i think they're like again like we talked about this before we're just

the majority people agree on a lot of things that would be good for people uh and the democratic for people uh and the democratic party is not very good at communicating that they are even pretending to want to do those things no they're they no absolutely not i agree with everything you guys have just said and i want to echo the fact that i did i felt joy i felt It is, I am very accustomed to the news of breaking news alert being something that makes my stomach turn. And this was thrilling to see, and it does give me some hope, but I don't want to get, I want to be honest and realistic when we look at it, you know, it's like, yes, this means that this affirms what i thought which is that it's very difficult to take away rights once you've been given them you know it's very difficult

to strip this country of something that we've grown accustomed to and they are doing it but it gives me hope that they won't be able to do it for long yeah this vote was still it was still playing offense right or sorry playing defense because it's like they were voting for them to not do something bad right it's not even like uh it's not even like voting for something to progress in a good way it was simply voting to not make something worse i'll say one yeah i'll say one thing about this that's unique or maybe not i just want to flag it as we're watching you know is that okay so this is more of a turnout than expected by far for a midterm that's that's and this is not normal for kansas again this is an

issue yeah we're probably anywhere i don't but like but what you're also seeing is a huge turnout amongst independents or you know people that that are aren't really probably more apolitical even because they're not but but this they were this it was worth it to them to show up for this and that is interesting to me. And that is also interesting to me if we can continue that in other places, you know? I think it'll be a big question of whether this translates to other states where a abortion provision is not specifically on the ballot. You know, because that's what they're saying. Abortion's on the ballot, but not everywhere it is. You'll have to vote for a candidate that agrees with you on a specific thing.

It only is in that sense. But I'm curious if this passion will translate to other places in terms of like, well, we don't have it on the ballot, but I'm going to show up for this person because this is important enough to me. I don't know. I'm curious. this is important enough to me. I don't know. I'm curious. I also, well, I was stoned and walking and I know that everyone's going to be like, well, actually this is why it's impractical, but it just occurred to me, like, God damn it. I wish that we could just, we can have ballot measures that we vote on that, like, like ask us, let's ask us everybody in California about, you know, universal healthcare about this, this, why don't, instead of you fucks debating it, why don't, and I know that there's logistics of that. I know that there's,

it's expensive, but what if they, if we actually, we had our people that we've, we've elect to go in and represent us, but we literally take the question to people because I think that, well, I don't think they want that because they wouldn't like what they see. Because I think that, well, I don't think they want that because they wouldn't like what they see. Yeah, I do think there'd be some success with that. I do also feel like it kind of depends on where. Because I have a theory. I think the key is with the abortion stuff is that most Americans, for the most part, just want things to be not hard. They don't want to have to think about politics. They don't want to have to think. They just want to live their life, go see movies,

work their job, make money, et cetera. Be able to afford their rent. Right. For better or for worse, that's what they want, which is why I think the GOP, where I think they're failing is that usually they can harness that because they're all for maintaining the status quo right they're all for let's keep things the way they are what they've been lately though isn't that it's been trump it's been people going okay this is getting out of hand like i don't know what your deal is at this point you're making you're exhausting like i feel like there's an element there and again it's just a theory with the with the roe v wade stuff i think it's that too because for people like while the gop sees this is like we're bringing it back you know we're we're going back to the status quo

considering that roe v wade has been around since what the 70s for most people this is them disrupting the status quo and now we're getting these stories of like horrific tales of young girls having to leave the state to get abortion and all this all these ideas around like are they gonna enforce this are they gonna not let women travel state to state and i think it's for most average americans they're reading this shit and they're just like you know what we need to reverse this we need to put it like this is this is too much yeah this is like it doesn't even matter i think what people feel unless they're really strongly feeling that abortion is murder if they're on the fence about it they're now looking at this and going this is exhausting and like

anybody who's like centrist on an issue sees that like this is more work it's just more work that they've created for america and and and so that's my most cynical view is that the people are voting based on that even if i i'd like to think they aren't because as we're noting that's like a lot of people came out for this vote, right? It wasn't, it wasn't apathetic at all. It was people going out specifically to do this. So I could be completely wrong. I think that there's probably a great many reasons why people are motivated to come out. So I know.

I think, yeah, I, I guess what I'm saying is I think that like stuff like if they voted on universal basic income and like radical things, I think we'd be a little disappointed based on this result is that like i think it's more about status quo for people than it is about progressive ideals or like you know i do think those ideas have been more popular obviously over time yeah i i'll just interject to say i definitely wasn't thinking that of universal basic income as an example but more in line with more of everyday issues although not that universal and basic income wouldn't become something but you know that probably takes time to integrate into people understanding but you know at this point you know people have to

understand and understand that the effect that their health insurance and how quickly they can lose it. You know, right. I was about to say it goes back to what Cody was saying with messaging. Right. Is if a candidate is like, hey, you know how you can't afford rent because minimum wage is this amount. Like, here's a solution. Like people could be sold on these ideas and the ideas go back to don't you just want to live like don't you just want to go out watch movies uh make money do your thing have afford a house afford a family that's all most people want and they don't want to worry about this stuff and so like if a politician came around and was like here's how we do it all you got to do is check this box right you know during the midterms it's tough because yeah because there's also so much noise around each party

and all these views of what each party actually represents and so on and so it's like you have to like change the name of your party to be like raise the minimum wage party like being like name your party after the policy just so that people know. Yeah. Right. A jury just ruled a couple hours ago that Alex Jones has to pay four point one million dollars to the parents of a Sandy Hook victim in their defamation case against him. He could also be on the hook for punitive damages, which might be known by the time this comes out. So it could be a multiple of that.

Four million. Hey. Yes. How many people is this a payout to do you know it's it's to the one family to the parents of a victim at sandy hook i wasn't sure if there were like multiple people but okay i wonder if other people can other people speak up and do their own lawsuits i think there are other lawsuits pending. I think this is the first major one. I might be wrong on that. Right. That has gone to a jury verdict. But the reason they sued him is because of the standard defamation.

They're specifically calling out that the child's father was called a liar by Alex Jones, in addition to him saying that Sandy Hook was a false flag and that there were crisis actors involved. And he personally criticized the parents of this kid. So that's what this defamation case was about. very amusing things that happened at the trial yesterday or on Wednesday when Jones was on the stand a lawyer for the Sandy Hook parents revealed that Alex Jones's lawyers had accidentally sent him a digital copy of Jones's cell

phone including every text message he had sent for the last two years I think emails too. Yeah no the entire digital copy of the phone which is not only very embarrassing but proves that he was lying when he said he couldn't find any emails that he'd sent about saint how do you accidentally do that do you does anybody think that maybe he did it on purpose because he's of conscience yeah i was gonna say is this the devil's advocate where he like suddenly

is just like i can't do this right right i know i agreed and like yeah but you might want to spin it that way i love there's like i saw somebody sharing there's this still shot picture of him the lawyer in court watching as this information is revealed like with his hand and his finger like in the thinking man pose but like really stiff like like trying so hard to appear casual and considering but anyway it made me laugh i don't know i don't where does he get his lawyer like is it the sort of situation where most lawyers are like i'm not defending that guy yeah and then you get you take what you can get oh yeah i don't think his lawyer is good yeah um right yeah this

is one of those like never um attribute to malice what you could to incompetence type thing i think most lawyers even though alex jones has plenty of money um most lawyers will be like no i'm not gonna defend you after that horrible shit you did so yeah this is lionel hutz or whoever he was able to yeah it makes me wish there was a better way of handling people like Alex Jones. And there's no I can't think of a way that isn't horrifying where it's like, well, the government shouldn't regulate information, obviously. But like we should have a system where someone. Goes on the air and says this horrible thing was a hoax and i'm targeting the family etc uh i feel like there should be a system where they get in trouble right where they get fined

or where something or where like they're not allowed to but then when i the when when the wheels turn with that i'm like well there's literally no way to do that without it being like fascist or something horrible so like we have to rely on a system where someone has to sue this person and sue them so much and so hard that they are reduced to having, you know, not having a platform anymore. And they get a bad lawyer who makes mistakes

and like all these sort of things. Right, exactly. I think about like someone like Tucker Carlson. It's like, well, he could probably get a good lawyer. You know, he could worm out of these situations. It's's weird and i don't know what the answer is there i haven't uh i haven't seen any of the prominent free speech absolutists coming to jones's defense yeah he's tainted he's tainted well it's to broadcast what he's done right and this is how it works right this is even the free speech

absolutist this is what it is is he is allowed to say whatever and then someone is allowed to sue the ever-living shit out of hell right like this is free speech working and that's what i mean is like there's this emotional part of me that's like why isn't there a better way and it's like well this is can we call somebody and just put him in jail yeah and then it's like but i wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that scenario. Because there's conspiracy theories that are far more like, far less harmful. That it's like, yeah, if you want to believe in these on Bigfoot or whatever, you know, you should.

You should have a podcast where you talk about Bigfoot. Good for you. And it's like, it all kind of falls under the same thing, except obviously. This is way more insidious. Yeah. And like in and there's always the question, like, well, who's deciding what's misinformation and so on and so forth. Like, you know, in it's like are no wmds uh this is a bullshit war blah blah blah that's misinformation to the government at the time that wanted to go to war with iraq right right and i do feel like someone should get punished for that right because it results in the in the slaughter of oh i mean yeah they should be like in the hague but like right

and that's what it is is i think i think it has to do with like figuring out proving the malice behind it and the the consequences feels like a fundamental question for our time yeah because i mean you i look at donald trump election like in the internet and the internet and i do i don't know if you guys watched or saw that clip um of the judge pushing back like I don't we probably don't have it available but right she was so incredible the way she spoke to him where he's like well I don't believe that that's true and she's like but that's not how that works yeah this isn't your show it is it is this is not your show this is truth and that's how truth works it doesn't matter what you believe or say you believe yeah say believe is the key there because i do knows but sorry this is not your show audio if you want oh cool yeah do it you may not say to this jury that you comply with discovered that is not true you may not say

it again you may not tell this jury that you are bankrupt that is also not true you're already under oath to tell the truth you've already violated that oath twice today in just those two examples. It seems absurd to instruct you again that you must tell the truth while you testify. Yet here I am. You must tell the truth while you testify. is not your show do you understand what i have said yes i believe what i said was true so i guess you believe everything you say is true but it isn't your beliefs do not make something true that is that is what we're doing here just because you claim to think something is true does not make it true it does not protect you it is not allowed that feels there is yeah really feels good whenever they're held under these

bright lights and they're forced to just meekly say what the truth is i i wish everybody who's a fan of people like him or any of these fucking clowns to see these moments for them. They should all have these moments, right? It's so satisfying. It's also a little disturbing because even when put under these harsh lights in this very serious situation, you can tell he can't help himself. harsh lights in this very serious situation you can tell he can't help himself there's something there's something not quite right about him as well where he is not he's he's lived in this bubble for so long that i don't think he realizes that there's consequences it's marjorie taylor green it was the same deal with her on the stand which you can can tell she's so used to, it comes so naturally to spin things that when you're actually

pressed in this way, they don't know what to do. There's no way you can't come back out of it unless you're going to have a real dark night of the soul and a revelation of some sort, which they're not. There isn't a bottom.

It's all an opportunity. You're just going to keep digging because they don't care i would argue no one's capable of that that he did ultimately say that sandy hook happened right i would just it's that thing of like it's extraordinary to watch because it is, I don't think anybody's capable of it. It's just some people are in that hole more where it's like, if I were told that every blade of grass has a soul and everyone I step on causes excruciating pain and I am a mass murderer, I would, my brain would do something to say, no, that's not true. You know what I mean?

It's like it being told like you are doing such something so harmful and it's objectively bad. He has no choice but to like double down at this point. He is so deep in that hole that it's like, what do you do? Yeah, he has one mode and it's it's where he gets money. It's how he's lived. It's how he interacts with everybody. And so it's just this sort of weird breakdown it's so interesting watching him the he's learning about his phone

because it's almost childlike there's an element of him just like oh you know i did this sort of like it's like this sort of like shameful, like head down, like kicking the dirt child approach. But like, no, man, don't you like scream about the interdimensional like sex demons on your show all the time? And now you're just like, oh, heck, I didn't, you know. So you so you so you lied to me. It's like, what the fuck, man? Right. It's just like you. Everything about his life has been has been a tremendous waste.

And not only that, it's causing harm to people. And their only choice for him is to turn around and walk back the other direction. And that's going to take decades to make up for that. But he's not going to. He made it very clear. Like, yeah, we're going to keep doing it know i wanted i wanted to stop info wars years ago but you know then i had to you know the glow i forget the exact quote was like the globalist like kept me in the game or whatever right and it's it's one of those things like i you know i donald trump's not

gonna go to jail uh or prison probably i think we can all generally agree with that but maybe you know maybe who knows but like it's one of those things where like i want i want that i want this for him too like you want to see like a serious person on camera he's under oath like obviously he's going to lie and try to do the thing he does but like just show him the proof of the thing to his face finally and just see that flounder unfortunately i don't think that that would be as satisfying like this because we've seen him asked pointed being asked pointed questions and he's just but not in the courtroom setting that's the thing right that's fair and also they will probably have access to alex jones's texts and emails

related to january 6th now it's what everybody wants right we're craving that and we're we're finding it where we can and things like this yeah but that's ultimately trump is the ultimate version of this it's it's what we want so bad yeah but do we even deserve it who knows i don't know it is it is high time for people to start facing consequences like that's what it is right didn't they just um this is unrelated news but it has to do with a constant didn't they just arrest some some cops uh the cops who uh shot brianna taylor they're uh they were charged with federal civil rights uh charges today that's interesting there's just it's stuff like that where it's like it doesn't make the situation better you know it doesn't make sandy hook any better doesn't make uh any of these tragedies, but it's not, it's, I think people really need to have that re reaffirming moment that there is

justice. So yeah, sometimes it's, yeah. Whether it takes years or whatever. And it kind of does. It takes a while, you know?

And so when was Sandy Hook? 2012. Jesus God. Yeah. Two presidents God. Yeah. Two presidents ago. Yeah. So it is nice. It's nice to see this.

It's nice to see that there's some sort of order. Yeah. All right. Let's real quick. Let's real quick talk about what's been going on the last two days with HBO Max. First, we heard that the Batgirl movie was not going to be released in theaters or on hbo max and then we found out that that extended to scoob holiday haunt and then a bunch of hbo max originals were going to be pulled from the service and that this is all likely because they can make more

money as a tax write-off and releasing their content so confused since hbo max came up because we have the hbo app and then the hbo max app i'm like the fuck is this but hbo max just has all of the hbo stuff and like okay so now it's basically just their app right but now i'm understanding like i didn't realize the difference it's so stupid yeah it's someone so they did that merger with discovery and there's a new ceo right and i there's been a few bits of news coming out there was one where they said the new fantastic beasts he announced like we're not going to make any more sequels until we see how this new one does which you think is how movies are supposed to be made but it hasn't been for the

longest time and i think what happened is someone looked at the books with after this merger and they said what are we doing we're hemorrhaging money are everything is wrong and i think that's what we're seeing and if people are wondering why for example a movie with ezra miller uh who is still at large have we caught them yet have we caught ezra miller who they are like fucking king kong they're they're just on a rampage why their flash movie is still existing and this isn't i think it's because their flash movie is in theaters and this is on streaming and what we're seeing is there's a i was just talking to abe about this uh on another podcast is like there's definitely a streaming versus theatrical release thing happening and when a movie costs 90 million and goes to streaming they don't really

know how much that made because it's all subscription so i think whoever's in charge there is now like okay we, we're stopping this. We are done with streaming. We are moving on. We're doing like HBO TV shows and stuff. But I think there's going to be a lot of changes. And it's not about Batgirl specifically, but Batgirl was on the slab. And that isn't really defending it.

To be clear, i'm not defending the decision being made but that seems like why it was made all right that makes sense yeah um yeah i mean every uh it's uh there was that i mean the netflix boom and then there were 20 different streaming services and in order to maintain that you need to like you're saying like hemorrhage money and just like pump as much into it make as many things as you possibly can and like just keep people like aware of your streaming service but it's just like you're not going to make money through that it's a bad system and the streaming like i think it i think people piracy is coming back for this reason. It's the pandemic made it a big deal.

And now we're technically going out of the pandemic. I wouldn't say we are. But people are saying that. Movie theaters are open. And I think it's this realization of like, okay, we overshot it. We put way too much into streaming yeah and movie theaters are great who doesn't like going to see a movie exactly honestly me these days wow but the one i think the one streaming series that will uh come out of this uh strong is daily wire plus

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