Some More News - Kissinger (Dead!) and Elon Musk (Dumb!) with Gareth Reynolds

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

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Hello and welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Oh, shit. Fuck. Oh, we can't swear so early on. Oh, bleep it. Hi, I'm Cody. How's it going?

Pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty good. And today, joining us for the first time is comedian, writer, and co-host of the hit podcast, The Dollop, and here to help, Gareth Reynolds. Hello. Good swearing. I think they're hits. Thank you.

You can. That's how you do it in podcasts. You just say it. You trump. You do the Trump thing. Biggest podcasts out there. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We started that. No one's pushed back on it. So not once. And I have yet to see another news podcast. I is the first. I when when I got this offer, I was like, whoa, that's a good idea. You know, you sometimes hear ones and you go, I should have done that. It's right there. It's right there's right sorry we beat you to it i also had that feeling with here to help so you got

you beat me to that but yeah no it's finally someone's doing the advice thing yeah no it's true yeah no you'd be surprised how many holes there are in the pocket it's shocking there's like one about like they should do one about like movies or like if there's a show people like i would not i would cut that out of this so if there's a show people like. I would cut that out of this. That's a great idea. We could save that. Or like an interview show. My friend is going to do one, but I feel like there can be two.

I don't want to step on his toes. I don't know. Maybe not. It's so weird. I feel like there should only be seven podcasts total. I think that's fair. Yeah. And he'll be really good at it.

He's going to have, like, I guess every week and stuff. That's even better than what I was thinking. It was like, yeah, you do, like, an episode a year. You get somebody on once a week. No, no, he's going to do, like, weekly. I mean, it's a lot of work. It's crazy.

But he's going to get a whole setup in his place and stuff. A whole setup? Wow. Okay. So you can just work from home. Yeah, basically. I'm not sure exactly how it would work, but he'll be able to record it at his house

and do the interviews to satellite to someone else or something. And they'll be in their home or wherever. Yeah, ideally, yeah, if they have the same setup or whatever. Dang. That's so cool. Yeah, and then they'll be able to kind of do that weekly. Living the dream. That sounds amazing.

That's interesting. We'll see where it goes. He might have to get someone to help out with that. Probably. Someone to organize it and put everything together. I would imagine. That role to me seems whatever, honestly. Maybe you do, but I don't know.

The thing about someone in that role is they're always looking for credit and they're hunting for a pat on the head and stuff. They might chime in all the time when it's unnecessary. Chime in when like things are rolling and then they chime in with like, hey, you know,

I have an idea for like, you know what I mean? That sort of thing. Yeah, that does sound annoying. We do this without a producer. Yeah. Seven podcasts and only like one person

on each podcast, I think. Exactly. Exactly. Monologuing. You don't yeah you don't overdo it exactly exactly well yeah anyway i mean that's that's something but anyway congrats on this that's that's awesome okay you're new here we start our uh episodes by acknowledging the holidays and we got a few listed here but one that's not listed that i just want to throw out

is that obviously this is our yearly spotify wrapped week so happy spotify wraps everyone who participate i hope you're i you're either from burlington or berkeley apparently i don't know is nobody on spotify this is a thing okay fuck that sorry i don't know you i know what you're talking about i know the rap thing but i don't know well. I know what you're talking about. I know the rap thing, but I don't know what the Berkeley reference is. Well, the rap thing, everyone's sharing. It says that your musical, they like geolocate you, what your musical preference is. And it says you're from this place. I got Burlington. And apparently 60% of people got Burlington and the other 40% got Berkeley or something.

Anyway, we can cut all this. This isn't going anywhere. This is the stuff. This is the stuff, Katie. we're in the shit right now we're in the shit right now in the shit i'm a little bit embarrassed that i still use spotify and here i am calling myself out on it is that right why is that is that is that now well everybody quit spotify and they just don't pay their like pay people well artists don't make a lot on the platform but that's true i know yeah i was just gonna say like when neil young was like fuck you and your bullshit i'm going to amazon and you're

like nice exactly this is exactly what i'm talking i think a lot of people there is a percentage uh i would say not insignificant percentage of our listeners who left Spotify during that and have. But I was just like, this is so much work and they're all bad. And now Spotify gives me wrapped content. We were talking about that on the dollop. Like, we've talked about this, like, selling to Amazon ever. And we're both like, oh, disgusting. And then I'm like, but I worked for Rupert Murdoch on, like, two different TV shows.

You know what I mean? Like, when you really start to parse it down you're like there's like five people paying i was gonna say there are five people there are 10 companies and we all work for one of them yeah and so you're kind of so screwed in this like because i've done it before i'm like no way and then you're like all right fine i mean what am i gonna do just exhausted by it all yeah it doesn't matter where i go uh neil young apparently still not on spotify no he's not which is like one of those like you know this happens all the time like i'm gonna remove my stuff and then a week later it's back on or whatever he's still going strong it

seems i was the only guy during that that said i'm going to spy exclusively went to spotify finally neil young's on the platform great here i go neil young left spotify not because they don't pay artists although they don't it was rogan but it was because of the rogan thing yeah yeah so it wasn't even for the right reason exactly just a reason okay uh actual holiday december 1st bifocals at the monitor liberation day we celebrated this last year and it's still confusing I'm gonna read this quote from them I thought about it but I took my bifocals off and I you know I couldn't do much research on it proving Proving the worth of the holiday. Yeah. So in an audio medium, it's actually good for folks at home listening who wear bifocals.

Our hearts fill with compassion today for coworkers stuck wearing bifocals at the PC, personal computer for all you folks at home. Ah, shed a tear as their heads Bob up and down in and out, trying to read the monitor trying to decide which set of lenses to use is this a problem their heads are bobbing because you got to go back and forth right between because the the ones you're using for the screen are down here wait are we

liberating the bifocals or the monitor? I think we're liberating people feeling bad for people who wear bifocals, right? It should be compassion for bifocals at the monitor day, I think. Or something more specific. I really hope December 1st does not fall on a Thursday or Friday next year. In fact, I regret my decision to include it again this year but i saw it i was like this is like the biggest holiday never seemed i guess i've i just assumed it was mostly i maneuvering but i guess it yeah i guess it depends i think it's getting in closer it depends on your positioning but if you're getting closer then you're defeating the purpose of the bar. They're avoiding that by the bifocals.

They've made a choice. You've made a choice. A weird one. All right. It's a weird one. Well, we'll do an emergency podcast next year to make sure that we cover this holiday again. I would love to be back on that one if possible. Absolutely.

I want to keep my face on this movement, which is possible. Yeah, you got it. Thank you. Okay. Making a note. Thank you. Okay, okay. Making a note. Thank you. I hear typing, which means it's official. We got to talk about the news soon,

but The Dollop is a wonderful show and everybody loves The Dollop. Here to help is new. That's not true. But thank you. Does everybody love it? I mean, honestly, one time a few few months ago i was up at one of these bars in this little mountain town and a very unpleasant person was talking about how much

he loves that podcast you know the one cody i do know the one oh wow i was like cool it's more it was more it's more just a surprise knowing their particular brand of politics. Anyway, I'm just going to breeze past that because I want to tell you a story. Okay. I've been listening to Here to Help, and I think it's very funny. You have an episode where a kid calls in, and he's a young man, and he's asking whether he should just officially change his name to Doug McBuckets, I think. Yes, Dougie McBuckets. Dougie McBuckets.

Well, about five days prior to listening to that, I went to a wedding, and there was this young man there, and he was enamored with me. He kept saying, m'lady, and asking me to dance. I don't know his name because he kept- Is he a bifocals on? He sounds bifocally he kept bobbing his head when he was talking to you no he goes he's like i forget what his actual name was

he's like but everybody calls me dougie and and then like he was the life of the party and i'm very convinced that it was this person that would be amazing i don't remember where dougie mcbuckets called from i wish i i i could go back and listen but i laughed very hard seems like you would hate to do that is the general sense i'm getting to go back through your episodes yeah i think it might be a bit tedious i appreciate that honesty uh yeah it is a weird name and then i don't i think that guy wasn't he just people called him d him Dougie McBucket. So he legally changed his name.

Or he called him Doug and he wanted to change his name to Doug. But this kid, everywhere, he's like, it was the thing. And then the wedding DJ fell in love with him and was up there saying like, shout out to my boy, Doug. I don't know his real name, but it tells me stuff. I didn't know you could win a wedding. I feel like I've put in some good performances but not dj shout out absolutely this is what i'm telling this kid was all over the place did you dance with him i did dance with him i did it was the hero of the wedding was enamored with you so sort of

yeah i know i guess so that i won the wedding uh but or like the happy couple maybe i guess i don't know but yeah they're. Something like that. Anyway, I laugh very hard and I'm convinced that it's the same person. I like to believe it too. I like to believe it was. I feel like there's only one Dougie. McBucket. Yeah, it's Dougie McBuckets from We're Here to Help.

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And boy, do we have a treat for you guys. If you haven't heard, Henry Kissinger is dead. Henry Kissinger is dead. I should have said that with more. No, it's 100 years young. Yeah. This timed out well for you being here because you- And me in general.

Yeah. Just for you in general. But you did six episodes on our friend Robert Evans' show, Behind the Bastards. Yes. About Henry Kissinger. Well, Robert, as you know, digs deep. And good God, he made a hard sell for us to all root for the death of this man I wanted it before, but then after that it was

I mean, it's insane Yeah I mean, I will quote something I said on the show Which is that he's like the Forrest Gump of war crimes Like he was everywhere yeah for everything and and and and the idea that he lived longer than betty white it's just but it is we shouldn't focus on the terrible we should folk we should bob our head to the bifocal that focuses on the horribleness is finally gone and we celebrate the death of one of our hugest pieces of shit yeah yeah yeah here here that's a new holiday here here yeah celebrate the first and

only dead guy um yeah yeah i uh this is it just it i haven't been online too much today because who wants to be online? But I've seen less of this because I think we all probably deal with this in different degrees whenever a public monster dies. There's some celebration. Maybe there's a joke or two. Maybe there's widespread celebration.

And then the sort of concern trolling comes in and they're like, hey, now his family is reading this. No, they're not. And I feel like Kissinger might be. And if they are, they know. Right. But I feel like Kissinger is one of the few who are like kind of unambiguously like I have seen some think pieces like let's not do this.

And like we honor our great hero, Henry Kissinger. and like we honor we honor our our great hero henry kissinger but i feel like there's just like this shift generally of understanding that it's okay when people are this powerful and have this much uh power and control and as have caused much devastation it is okay to have a little treat on the day they die um and there's not as much of that anymore and i think it's partly because of him specifically as a figure i also think that we've moved past some of that pearl clutching maybe not maybe it's just him specifically i know personally i have i i'm one of the people seven years ago who felt very appalled at like celebrating someone's death oh yeah we talked about it on the show i think we have we've talked about it here and i have definitely evolved over the years i

still have a tendency to bite my tongue for a second but not with henry kissinger i was and i didn't with diane feinstein either so i either. So I guess that I've been changed. It's good because I, first of all, didn't. I mean, the second I found out, I was like, oh, God, I'm going to have a good run of tweets here. But I think the thing is that we have so little to take away from these people, these monsters, away from these people, these monsters, that maybe the one thing that could potentially at least factor in to their decision making at one point is that my death will be celebrated, people will dance on my grave. And I don't think it'll change anything, but I think it is a nice, it's just one nice thing to remind them that we have some stuff, which is that Henry Kissinger should have, you know, been killed by mules.

But instead, when he passes as a hundred year old mollusk, we can celebrate that you are fucking gone. Fuck you. And we have the tools and the platforms to all do it together you know like back in the day in his day uh the celebrations were like more private and you know maybe maybe like a letter to the editor here and there but for the most part they don't see it forget now that's what i was gonna say kissinger didn't start out his many reigns of terror expecting twitter to exist when he died or just in general this ecosystem where we share information very quickly and can look at things differently than we have in the past when information was harder to attain and you know uh that'd be funny if in

the 70s if he was like i hope there is not a micro-blogging platform for decades to monitor my... I don't know that it'll change actions very much. I mean, you don't have to talk about... Celebrating my death on X. We're watching lots of horrifying things happen everywhere. You can't just throw Twitter to X around that time. The micro-blogging site also lets you do payments. It does. Oh, no.

Oh, beautiful. I need to go. Oh, beautiful. We got one. We got the spit take. You guys made me laugh, and I almost spit on my tooth in my class. And I think I found a couple things better than a spit take over the years doing stand-up, but a tooth chip? My gosh.

I think might actually have raised the bar higher than I knew. Don't worry, everyone. Everything's still intact. I had someone spit on someone else. Ooh, that's good. Ooh, that's really good. A tooth chip, I think. Tooth chip is pretty big.

Spitting on somebody else is, like, you know. For me, I was furious. It was great until now. And then I saw that. Especially if it turns into, like, a stand-by-me situation where the spit take on the person causes them to throw up. Yeah. Or spit on somebody. One of those, yeah. Just keep spit taking on each other that doesn't even make sense yeah like what are you surprised

about you've seen all these people spit at each other the washington post they did just report that this is how kissinger did pass like during a spit take of like oh and then drown he drowned in people's spit yeah that's great uh have you ever seen a piss take i've gotten one no i'm kidding yeah i think if we celebrate his death too then maybe it also dissuades these publications from doing the thing where they like celebrate the war criminal too a little bit i mean again it's we're talking minor victories but yeah and i think there is like there's incremental little little bits of change um in those things even some of the headlines so they there's like sort of hedging their bets a little bit they're not like going all out like we must you know what phrases like you know controversial um or like critics say you know that kind of stuff yeah right whereas

like at least they're acknowledging that there are critics and they do say stuff i turned on uh cnn earlier too just to see and they were not talking about it which you know normally they do the five at least in the slice i had but normally they do you know they do the the 10 days of yeah at least america's king gone yeah get all get all the statements from the uh america's other kings talking about their sadness for the other yeah yes um speaking of this piece of shit um and how we just spent i don't know 10 minutes talking about how it's funny that he died uh jonathan do you want to give us a quick like just a little sampler of like some of his greatest hits thank you oh sure yeah if you're not familiar and you're like what are these awful

people right okay that guy like here's just a i'll try to go through this quickly just the the biggest bangers here yeah he's got uh he has like number ones in multiple decades here yeah it's like what are merrill's best performances you're overwhelmed but we've got to pick some how do you even condense it yeah here we go i'll go through this quickly he uh authorized the secret carpet bombing of cambodia in 1969 1970 and expanded uh the ground war uh in vietnam he uh turned a blind eye to pakistan's genocide of 300 000 bengalis and was like very sassy about it when when uh called out about it he's a sassy man in uh 1975 he gave indonesian dictator Suharto an implicit go-ahead to invade East Timor, resulting in a bloody civil war. He supported operations which thwarted the democratic election

of a socialist president in Chile and triggered a military coup, resulting in the deaths of thousands of Chileans after General Augusto Pinochet took over. In 1976, he gave the green light to Argentina's neo-fascist military junta to launch a bloody war against its political opponents, leaving tens of thousands dead. So that's the real short version of the six-part behind the backstories episode. This is just diplomacy, you know?

Yeah. It's like state stuff. Yeah. Did I get that right? You know more about this oh yeah you remembered everything that robert jonathan i'll be honest one of my skills is remembering during and forgetting after that's how to roll it's a good skill it's a really good skill for that again like being on you know and i don't know everybody's experience being on behind the bastards but it is it's an

overload of information also it's an overload of information that keeps going where it's like yeah i'll be on an episode behind the bastards but it's like it's really three or four that you're you're doing um because it's so dense and there's so much there you cannot fit it all into one i always ask when when sophie reaches out to us or one of us individually or together i'm like okay but how many episodes sure sure i'll come talk about the proud boys but do you do it all at once or in multiple sessions well that one you had to break up right yeah we did we did i think three sessions and he was researching during it i mean he's he's incredible he's a machine yeah he's unbelievable but he was researching during it and he would be kind of he'd have the a couple completed and he would

be talking about how he's like a couple more coming and it's doing his fucking head in and we'd be like i'd be like i'm actually kind of busy on the thursday could we do the wednesday you know what i mean and he's's like, I can figure it out. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nuts. No, he's a little bit. Yeah. I don't know how he survives.

It's crazy. His schedule. But, okay. Lots of jokes that we've made. And they're all very good. Good for us. Good for them. Do we pick a winner or do we just keep?

No, go ahead, Katie. Well, when we're done, we'll pick a winner. We'll vote. It'll be a whole thing. Thank you very much. I know. But I was just going to say, this is a serious point, which is you read through this list and it really hammers home problems around the world that we have created,

but most specifically him. How much displacement, war, death, refugee crisis thank you henry kissinger the whims of one dude yeah it's like nixon and ford were presidents during this and they're just dead right now so they're kind of getting uh off the hook i so to speak but yeah so they were presidents while he was national security advisor and secretary of state, but still, orchestration of a lot of these atrocities. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Certainly lots of people behind Henry Kissinger helping make his dreams a reality here. But it does, especially when you read it or you see it all listed like that. see it all listed like that oh i see how this has happened all over the world and how the ramifications of that are still present and we're still dealing with them and we will continue to be

dealing with them and setting up the idea that that's kind of the model and that if you know it's like that's one of the things it's like you when you see these people get away with this stuff it really just tees it up for it to be acceptable for it to continue. There's never really been these, you know, we've never really prosecuted someone for war crimes in our government in any way. And so, why would it stop? Exactly. And all these things, you know, the short list from the long list of examples. Yeah, you get a, you see all these sort of things and it's they're viewed as like you're saying like this is just how things go like this is how it's supposed to go like all these examples like there's so many people um you know in the media and government and

um who are like yeah that's that's just the price of doing business like you gotta uh exert your power here you have to do this like that is the general view which is why you're you would see so many pieces about like oh the great kissinger is controversial but like you know we still we still need them controversial yeah and you know it's like it is accepting this is like this is the way things are and maybe the next guy will be nicer maybe they'll have a little you know, it's like it is accepting this is like this is the way things are. And maybe the next guy will be nicer. Maybe they'll have a little, you know, a more civil tone or whatever it is that's different. But like the the foundational aspect doesn't change. And we don't want that argument today for for Biden, really, is that, you know, it's like he's the nice guy version.

Yeah. Yeah. Come on. You know, same policies pretty much but right i mean we've talked about that here but for real what would be the difference if trump were in office versus joe biden right now a lot of his language yeah would soften up the way he's speaking he would you know say horrifically racist things he'd probably yeah he'd probably like it's it's it's interesting because like there are elements where like you know joe biden says something about like he said that one thing like yeah i don't trust the palestinian numbers didn't say hamas said palestinian things like that where it's like yeah if trump said that people would be mad

but biden says people aren't and trump said he might say it like a little harsher he might have a little harsher language and it would sort of shine a light on the underlying message, which is actually bad that people don't necessarily see because kindly Joe is saying it. And right. Sorry, Katie. Yeah. Right. No, I mean, I agree with you completely. Also, but also Trump would like definitely be calling for like a Muslim ban and things like that.

There are steps that he would be taking. I was going to say, like, we've talked about this, like on the dollop in ways where you're like, you kind of are trying to, you know, find the balance between the fact that Trump would be doing a lot of things worse. And yet Biden is still an existential disastrous threat. Right. It's still getting away with Trump. You're right. It would be those things right it would be those things where it would be like you know whatever he would say like nuke nuke it or you know some

shit like that which would be more damaging and worse and yet you're like you know it goes back to the nina turner quote of like you know it's the difference between eating a bowl of shit and a half bowl of shit right yeah and like and when you're when you're talking about how like half this bowl is full of shit you're like, do you want the big bowl of shit? No, I don't want any of the shit. And I want to be able to say that this bowl is half full of shit without somebody saying, so you love full bowls of shit? Yeah, right.

That's not what I said. So you want us to all eat the full bowl of shit? How are we talking like adults here? This is impossible. If we agree to vote for the half full bowl of shit, will you are we talking like adults here like this is impossible if we agree to vote for the half full bowl of shit will you agree that that's what it is like yeah exactly some people are having their student debt forgiven that wouldn't otherwise acknowledge great fewer strikes yeah yeah stuff like yeah legitimately good but let's look at this half the other half

of this bowl please right but you're But Trump might have fallen into, you know, union negotiation. You never know. I mean, he, the other, the way that he played, the way that he's a populist could also play into certain things that it's just the worst. No, that's a good point. He's such a wild card where like he can take things and like frame them in like a, yeah, like a right wing populist way. But then once he gets to that point

i feel like it just wouldn't happen because the party wouldn't let it happen right and also he would probably like there's like a wall that he finds himself up against sometimes where it's like yeah i'm like a man of the people man of the people oh wait but this is actually worse for me and my people yeah and like he'll realize that but the messaging might get up to that point yeah yep it's really beautiful it's a beautiful little problem to have well he's not currently our president that's true he is not currently just a year from now he will be oh dear oh you know he always out your window oh, you're actually depressed. I thought you said deer. Oh, deer. Oh, yeah. My bad. I was like, are there any deer out there?

Please, please. Please. Please. Please, look, it's a majesty right now. Well, I guess we're done talking about Henry Kissinger. That's nice. Goodbye to a legend. Couldn't.

Except for all the. No, we're done talking about Henry Kissinger. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done talking about Henry Kissinger. You know what?

I think it's time to take a break. Oh, thank goodness. For ads. Is this where I swear more? Yeah, go for it. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done talking about Henry Kissinger. You know what? I think it's time to take a break. Oh, thank goodness. For ads. Is this where I swear more? Yeah, go for it. I don't. Let her rip. Don't.

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lawsuit. What is X? What are you talking about? You're right. I'm sorry for saying X. That's probably the first time I've referred to that place as X. It's Twitter. What place? What are you talking about? Twitter. Oh, Twitter.com. That's Elon Musk's threads. That's what I call it.

Elon Musk's threads. Thank you, Gareth. We got there yes yes the nazi bots nazi bots i don't understand what any of these things are but i hope they don't affect me or are making fun of me on them okay for the low price of eight dollars a month i can edit my tweets very fun remember we're gonna vote at the end we're voting at the end about which is the best joke only one has made me almost crack my teeth yeah it's pretty obvious which one it is so far so by the way you could be sipping more which would probably help some of us who are trying to catch up three different beverages in front of me well listen do you have any shatter glass like the movie glass that'd be

great sugar glass but i can just bang this really hard we'll see that'd be great i mean you're cool with that talking about the uh hayden christensen hit shattered glass yep great excellent all right on the same page you and i know what's going on oh yeah no we know stuff i remember seeing that movie and being like hey man act better in the other movies that you're in you're doing fine here we're not talking about twitter media matters and twitter and x.com the everything website we've got a fun clip that we're gonna play and pause and react to because it's too long to just sit and listen through but jonathan set this up for us a little bit what's been going on here yeah so x the microblogging website formerly known as twitter sued media matters last week for what it says was an attempt to drive advertisers

for the platform and destroy x corp uh so what media matters right x corp xorp xorp there's some like specific details i won't really go into but they basically showed that uh advertising from you know major advertisers like disney and apple and ibm were showing up next to pro-nazi content um and elon musk has a problem with how they went about showing this and that's what this lawsuit is all about. And kind of right before this happened, Elon responded to a account that was tweeting basically like great replacement theory. Jews are running the great replacement theory. And he replied to that with you had said the actual truth, which is what precipitated a bunch of advertisers leaving. But he's pretending it's all because of what Media Matters did instead of his, you know.

Yeah, it's very obvious sort of however, like this is always the case. People don't like what you're doing and saying, Elon. They couldn't be more clear about that. And this clip, I think think is very illustrative in many many ways uh and speaks to what we talk about a lot here and like the our rich people episode things like his brain's just broken and he doesn't view the world uh beyond it doesn't seem like the beyond the lens of his little right wing x bubble anymore he can't conceive of him doing a thing wrong or saying a thing wrong or people being critical of him specifically and needs to blame this this article that media matters uh ran

instead of literally the words that you are saying elon and continue to say and then it feels like now it's starting to sink in a little bit because the interview he did with that CNBC guy or whatever, I watched a good amount of that interview, and there's a lot of crazy stuff going on in his head. He kept talking about how earth would view things which is so we're gonna play that we're gonna play this okay oh then i'll shut up we're gonna play this quick no but this is good keep it incredible the earth line is the most fascinating well every moment is we're gonna play it we're gonna play it um apologies to our listeners

because we cannot i don't think we can play this whole clip and then talk about it i feel like we need to like we're gonna stop and start moments because it's so dense um in its absurdity so just to set this up this is from the new york times deal book summit uh so the guy that elon musk is talking to is andrew ross sorkin here who's interviewing him and this is uh but it's this was being broadcast on cnbc so we thankfully have footage of it now if you have something to say just anytime shout stop it's all good this is a safe space uh so uh an addendum to what jonathan said so yeah it's andrew ross sorkin uh interviewing elon um and one uh quote that's important i think to say that's not in this clip is elon musk the only reason am here, Jonathan, is because you are a friend. I am Andrew, was the response. His name is on the screen behind him. It's right there.

It's right there behind him. Well, come on. And the only other thing is that during most of this clip, there is a chyron at the bottom that says Musk, colon, anti-Semitism was not my intention, which is what you want

if you're trying to advertise. You can't buy that PR. That's awesome. All right, here we go. was not my intention. Which is what you want if you're trying to win advertisers' money. You can't buy that PR. That's awesome. All right, here we go. Obviously, you know that there's a public perception that, and you're clarifying this now, but there's a public perception that that was part of an apology tour, if you will, that this had been said online.

There was all of the criticism. There was advertisers leaving. We talked to Bob Iger today to bob i hope they stop you hope uh don't advertise you don't want them to advertise no what do you mean if somebody's gonna try to blackmail me with advertising blackmail me with money go fuck yourself uh let's pause it real quick we can pause it yeah it's going pretty well roll back five seconds or it, yeah. It's going pretty well. We might want to roll back five seconds or so. But yeah, this is going really well for him. Yeah. There's some things about this that I find interesting.

He's upset about being blackmailed with money. And I feel like he exerts his power via his wealth a lot. All the time. One could say all the time and his influence. This isn't blackmail though keep that one in your pocket the definition of black that's also very true a business and people just the way it's you love business man you're so good at it you know what this is he's also um a big proponent of free speech allegedly and uh boycottsts are like an aspect of free speech.

That's just how it is. You can not like it, but you can't disagree. You can't say like, this is actually this is blackmail. That's just not how those words work together. Does this kind of spin work? I haven't talked. I've been avoiding Twitter so much. I don't

It works in where you would expect you can see in the replies of like whole Mars blog or Tesla nomics or whatever the fuck account and all the replies by blue checks. Yeah, man This is so awesome. Look at how cool he is in his cool bomber jacket Fake dog. Honestly, it looks like me on Christmas day when i was like 11 and i got a new coat like i'm gonna wear this to everything all i think of when i see this clip is uh it's uh that uh treehouse of horror simpsons episode of uh the shining but it's marge saying perhaps what he's wearing will be a window into his madness like it's so obvious well and he it is these these you know the elon stands like they are still hanging in there but his point overall is kind of like this is they're gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna lose like this i cannot keep it going so i don't know what they will do

possibly be able to spin when his great business maneuvering has basically taken down. Well, so this is why this clip is so interesting because he lays it out for them in a way that like he gives them their out. Yeah. Even though it's like nonsensical and not reality,

which is also what the interviewer points out. Yeah. I think something to note, and we'll maybe listen to it again as we continue this clip, is that he, he again what he's wearing maybe is an indicator of what he how he wants to be viewed uh i'm pretty sure he's wearing like fake israeli dog tags i saw yeah he's got some sort of dog tag situation that's cool it's really cool cosplay stuff um yeah but he's playing this and he knows he knows what his like desired

persona is we've known the iron man syndrome that he has for many years uh and you can see any babylon b article about him any of his comments support this image but it's very interesting to see something that he thought like in his head like if i said go fuck yourself i have this attitude like oh man they're gonna cheer for me it's to silence it's uncomfortable silence like again like being faced with reality yeah people aren't into this thing man it's it's your online bubble that loves it like it's cool that ian miles chong loves your posts but in reality people is it think it's absurd well he he definitely is playing to the crowd and he does get a couple people to clap at some point but in the way that jeb bush yeah did the like please clap like he kind of has a please clap and some people like oh okay that can i'll be supportive it's so uncomfortable We should keep listening to it. I'll point out, I don't know that he's well.

I hope he's not. Or sober or haven't taken some medicine. Something. And I don't, I'm not saying that, I don't like making fun of people for that kind of thing. We don't know yet. So we can make fun of him until he admits that he is until there's a lot of reporting that like he does do a lot of recreational like drugs pretty consistently um which again is fine we are pro drug on this podcast yeah just not for the rich

just not for the rich they don't deserve it get out of here get leave us something now go smell your money or whatever i don't know you don't deserve it elon but also clearly it's like affecting his like mood and decision making capabilities and his view of the world seems to be getting more and more warped uh which we'll get to again this clip is so interesting okay go fuck yourself is that clear i hope it is hey bob if you're in the audience well well let me ask you then wait who's bob sorry that's how i feel don't advertise okay how do you think then about the economics of of x if if if part of the underlying model, at least today, and maybe it needs to shift, maybe the answer is it needs to shift away from advertising. If you believe that this is the one part of your business where you will be beholden to those who have this view, what do you do?

J-F-Y. Let's stop it real quick. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I want to listen that moment again uh at some point but like it's so interesting because like what grace this uh andrew person is allowing uh uh musk to completely ignore he's like laying it out for him like you could actually have a view that like advertising isn't the model going forward you're like a free thinking forward thinking progressive innovator maybe your whole view is that it shouldn't be based on advertising but he doesn't take that he's just like nah fuck him if they want to ruin it then they they can it's like he gave him a lifeboat a little bit you're like he gave him a piece of rope to like grab on but i was like

actually this this could be fashioned into a mighty fine noose my good sir like it's so weird that he he can't grasp what's going on in front of him he does a great job in this whole interview because he has moments like that and then he also just kind of corners him at but it's all very like i'm not a fan of this guy but i've seen him before but um but he really gives like you're saying, he gives him the rope to kind of do with what he likes. And he continually is like, I'm going to eat it like Crumb's weird brother or I'm going to hang myself with it.

He also gives space for the moment. He gives space for it. He's not jumping in. He's allowing Elon time to, you you know flail a bit yeah he also uses he's the third time he says go fuck yourself he says gfy yes which i there's a clip that's going around from a couple days ago of aaron rogers on the pat mcafee podcast and this is a sports thing but aaron rogers is also this kind of guy right now and he says gfy specifically and i thought that and i thought it was weird when aaron rogers said it is really 11 year old

me he's wearing bomber jackets from christmas and he loves aaron rogers yeah i mean he really is somebody that stopped maturing he reeks age. He reeks of it. He's got that ex-Machina gun next to his pilot Diet Cokes on his nightstand that he proudly tweets about. That's really where we should have been like, we need to intervene. There was a point about how he got his then-girlfriend Amber Heard to do sexy cosplay of his favorite video game character.

And after that was reported he just tweeted the photo of her in the costume he's such a gross creepy man it's so he's such a fucker god damn it anyway he is 13 uh let's roll back like maybe four seconds because this moment is another complete moment uh why He doesn't even say it confidently. I understand, but there's a reality, too. Right? Yes. No, no. I mean, Linda Iaccarino's right here, and she's

got to sell advertising. Absolutely. So no, no, totally. No, actually, what this advertising boycott is going to do, it's going to kill the company. Uh-huh. Stop it. Okay. advertising boycott is uh is gonna do it's gonna kill the company uh-huh stop it okay yeah like this guy again this interviewer is doing a really good job sort of allowing the moment to live and laying out the information necessary for uh normal people to see what's going on because he

like okay elon yeah like uh you're like you go fuck yourselves i'll look at your little cosplay thing you're doing but what andrew then says is okay but there's a reality to the situation and that's like a really important phrase i think in dealing with elon specifically he doesn't live in reality he lives in his own perceived little notion of reality where he's like the main character of the simulation and everyone uh should actually agree with him and if they don't they're npcs who are bots and shouldn't be like considered but all you need is a calm man in public to go okay but the reality of the situation what's your plan and then you get this like stumbling like okay yeah it's just okay yeah yeah obviously okay yeah like that there's a

reality situation and like the truth comes out um in this like very frustrated like teeth pulling stumbling way and it's just interesting to watch just somebody literally say the word reality to him and him have to face that, which he doesn't, incidentally, in his answer. But remember when that I can't remember what the hell he's from, but he's that Australian interviewer and he sits down with Trump and he just started pointing out all the crazy shit Trump had said about the hurricane, the way the hurricane was moving. Jonathan Swan. Everyone was kind of like, that's how you do it. the crazy shit trump had said about the hurricane the way the hurricane was moving jonathan everyone was kind of yeah right everyone was kind of like that's how you do it it's like it's really not

that hard it's just that trump gave access to the wrong person and this isn't necessarily that because i don't think he's going for gotcha moments but it is just real sober insight into what is happening and he doesn't have the genius to back it up and you really do see raleigh that he is has really no idea what the fuck to do it's very clear yeah it's um it's uh and you know not the first uh or last person to to point this out but like he is a wonderful gift to the deteriorating illusion that millionaires and billionaires are actually brilliant geniuses who deserve uh every penny of their wealth yeah except for the people that just can't change their mind about the guy yeah that's a depressing thing

as well yeah i agree with you and i think people's opinions of billionaires and money and wealth, because as we've talked about here before a lot, it changes you having that kind of money, making that kind of money, the capacity to make that kind of money. Something changes fundamentally. They become very disconnected from the rest of humanity and from the thought processes and hierarchy of needs and all sorts of stuff um but gosh yeah it's very disappointing how many people it's still hanging on yeah yeah anyway we got more clip oh god we got more clip uh too much clip yeah actually not that and you

think that and the whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company, and we will document it in great detail. But those advertisers, I imagine, are going to say, we didn't kill the company. Oh, yeah? Tell it to Earth. They're going to say, Elon, that you killed the company because you said these things, and they were inappropriate things and that they didn't feel comfortable on the platform right that's that's what they're gonna say and let's see how earth responds to that well now how do you come back from that head you can't respond let's see how earth responds to that this weird freak of a man uh no i don't no it's it is it's like it's so weird

he just is so disc it's like when um the dad in that video where he tells his kid he's on the naughty list and the kid's like i'll punch his beard off to like santa claus like it's that level of like bro you're not even you have no actual concept of what is happening to you or how to process it and he keeps doing the earth thing he keeps talking about earth the way that earth will react like we all are going to lose our minds and blame other people when twitter is gone and that to what you were saying before, Cody, just shows how bubbled out he is. He lives in this little bubble where if you give him,

if there's dissension, you are out, and everyone who is going to keep kissing his ass and telling him what he wants to hear will exist, and now we're kind of like, you know, it's kind of the Madoff time where you're going, all right listen you can't shuffle it yeah because like he's got like david sax isn't representative of earth yeah like this is not yeah it's not how it works it's such a gross uh an overestimation of

his influence on the world yeah do you say earth all the time makes it sound like he thinks everybody in the world and the plants and the trees and the animals are paying attention to what elon musk is saying and has his back because advertisers left it's so bizarre no well it is remember like i mean i remember that when people would say stuff about like twitter freaking out over something and people being like yeah but the vast most of society is not and that is kind of what he has his existence has become this thing where he twitter has you know done, done that for him. And for those of us on Twitter are watching it and just going, what the fuck is he doing? But in reality, it's just, you know, it is it's a it is a bubble. And to him, though, it is like you're saying Earth,

everyone on Earth is like, you can't do this to Elon. He'll show you. And it's just like, first of all, those of us on Twitter aren't feeling that. And second of all, Earth is not on Twitter. Yeah, I think something like. I don't think they are. I'm trying to. I'm not following. Not enough followers for me if they are. Something like 6% of humans on the planet are on Twitter.

And most of them are not active. And most of them are not active. And so, like, it's just so weird. Again, it comes back to this view that he has of himself, and the world and this like, we're in a simulation kind of probably actually, and like, so many people have a woke mind virus, and they're NPCs. And I'm actually the hero of the simulation. I need I'm in charge of making all the numbers in the top left and right of our computer screens go up. And I'm going to sacrifice as many people over here or over here or this or this or this to make those numbers go up because my view is those are the rules of the simulation. actually the planet earth fucking loves me and everything that i say and do and thinks that this is important business when actually if twitter is destroyed because of this advertiser pullout that people said was going to happen when you bought the company so literally it's because of what you are doing and that's always been clear then it'll like you won't own the site anymore like they'll like right like they'll take it

away from him like he just won't be involved in the website anymore at a certain point he's trying to have it both ways he is saying uh twitter is a private company that i run and needs to make money but also twitter equals free speech and only i can guarantee that it has free speech so disney the walt disney corporation and Apple have like a duty to support this because of free speech. And if you are against Elon here, you're licking the boot of Bob Iger. But of course, he's yeah, he's making you go like, all right, I'm with Bob Iger, who I despise. You know what? You're like you're you're making Bob Iger my hero.

Now it's an incredible stupid story like yeah but it's so like so yeah it's so obviously absurd uh what he's asking people to twist their reality to think um and him just sort of stumbling like yeah just go tell go tell earth go tell earth what what the advertisers did to me and my website that everybody hates now for some reason. And Earth is going to rise up on your behalf. He's talking about it as if Disney is shutting down Medicare or something. Exactly. Social media websites

die all the fucking time. It's one of the main things that they do. And the idea that like... You were all on MySpace at one point. Exactly. I still am. A few of us are hanging in there. Yeah, it's great. You still have that login. Yeah.

My top bait is everyone else who's on there now. It's really become pretty sad. Not even Tom, though, sadly. Tom didn't make it. Did he? I don't know. I saw him on a dating app once. Oh, no.

That's incredible. Or you saw somebody using his picture. Was it the picture? Yeah. Or was it like, yeah? Okay, you're right. Maybe picture was it was it the picture or was it like yeah okay you're right maybe it wasn't my space that's amazing were you swiping on my space yeah some guy some guys like i'm gonna try to i'm gonna try to get all that like that tom yeah yeah it was it was a winklevoss doing that. Like, I should be Tom. Got him! We're not dead yet. I do want to finish this clip before we have to go. There's more?

Somehow, there's more. I thought we finished the clip. No, no, no, no, no. We finished the clip more than I had. Oh, we finished the clip? Oh, then in that case, I'll just say this. Because he continues with his go-tell-Earth business. And then Andrew's like, but like you know like and then elon says like yeah tell to the judge which is like an absurd thing to say in this context and andrew's like but like the judge is wait well and then i was like the people earth

tell tell the people you know the judge is the people um which is like also like yeah and i don't know if you've noticed but the judge seems to fucking hate you mostly but he continues and he says that tell the people and then andrew's like wait so like then you want people to respond to this boycott by boycotting disney again pointing out that like boycotts aren't like an assault on free speech. They're actually a part of free speech. And if you want to talk, Elon, about how maybe companies shouldn't have that kind of power and maybe like money doesn't equal like political power and all these sort of things, go argue that. That's not what you're arguing. But in response to Andrew being like, so like you expect people to boycott disney over this and and elon smugly is like they already are no no no they're boycotting disney because gay people are in their movies

yeah they're not doing it because of your like weird twitter advertising problem that is not on people's radar as much as you seem to want it to be um in terms of like the passion like no one's passionate like i'm gonna i'm not gonna watch disney plus because they don't advertise next to the weird nazi bots no they're they're angry because there are gay people in their disney movies they're the nazi bots anyway he really is i mean it's like it's so hard with him because it's like he's made so much money which is kind of the point of our stupid system. So obviously there's some, you know, he's adept in some ways, but he really does show himself to be an idiot in this.

Relatively speaking. Yeah, it's sights to behold. So much of this conversation is always with Elon Musk, but in general with everything he touches is filled with hypocrisy the whole thing with twitter wanting to make it better and more of free speech okay well it's less of that and getting so upset about conversations when they pertain to him but have being an indignant when it's about other people not applying it to himself this advertiser thing yeah encourage the boycott with another boycott it's this is a slur very i i or just very stupid i don't know it's i think it's a little bit of both i think he doesn't face consequences like the ben shapiro thing right but yeah um but also i think we've seen many times that he isn't necessarily as bright as he wants us he's not he is

but also like the bubble stuff right like he and like it's not just the social media bubble that he's in it's also the money bubble that he has been in for decades and this is the logical conclusion of that some like kind of erratic weird guy who may be on something uh a lot of the time and they have this like sort of paranoid fantasies and these delusions of grandeur about uh his position in the world and uh yeah it's it makes sense that he exists. It's just a tragic comedy playing out before our very eyes. But it gives me a great chance to promote my new special, Tell It to the Judge, colon Earth. Oh, you're such a good...

Tell It to the Judge, parentheses, about 0.06% of the planet. 6%, 6%. I mean, do you have something to promote? We're at the% of the planet. 6%. 6%. I mean, do you have something to promote? We're at the end of the show. Oh, yeah. Go for it. Well, I do have a special. It's called England, Weed, and the Rest.

And I have my podcast. We're here to help pin the dollop. But no, it just sounds very special tidily. Absolutely. It does sound very special. You're doing the face. Nick DiPaolo. Exactly. to the judge you're doing the face yeah yeah nick depala exactly now do you do the thing in your

comedy special that elon does here where he says something that he thinks will get a big laugh and he looks over to the audience like that's why i can tell what's going on here because most of my stuff is is looking at the audience going like hey come on right that's like the end of it you know does your face fall slightly and you wither inside when you don't get the reaction that you want yeah you know it's a lot of my i encourage people to watch it it is doing it yeah it's been called horrible it's really been called a train wreck it's been called a meltdown it's been called horrible and i love well those people should tell it to earth okay come on guys i agree i just keep saying that a lot i mean this guy has 15 items

it's supposed to be 10 items or less i look at him i go tell it to earth come on the audience just going uh yeah but what about in reality and you're like oh okay everything should be told to earth uh get Earth on the horn. Yeah. Get Earth on the horn. I just have to say, Earth is on Twitter. They are. They're on Twitter.

You mean at Earth? At Earth, yeah. But there's only got 600,000 followers, so. Oh, that's. Oh, that's. Not doing so hot, honestly. Kind of. That's kind of appropriate for the point we're talking about. Yeah, the amount.

Yeah. Not a lot of folks, actually. Like, tell it. I mean, I will tell it to this specific account. Yeah, tweet it to Earth. Reply to Earth. Also, they haven't, the Earth account hasn't tweeted since September 12th, so. 2001.

That's not good. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, okay. I was like. That's a, oh, thank like... Just a sad face emoji. I don't even believe in myself anymore. We're not doing so hot, folks. I don't know.

That's a pretty good joke. No, the last post is a beautiful picture of some incredible trees. So go check it out. They look kind of AI, though. I'll be honest. That's the feeling I have pretty much every day I walk around, what you just said. Earth tweeted pretty trees, but they look like they're AI generated. They look like they're AI.

Feels like a real summation of the year we've had. All right, we did it. We did it. You've promoted your stuff. We've had jokes. I still think that the teeth crack one is the winner. Where can people follow you? At Reynolds Gareth on all uh social media yeah um

yeah i'm not gonna lie the fact that you hit your tooth with a mug laughing is really it's a high bar and i don't know if i'll hit it but that's my new goal the timing was was the real winner there but yeah and i will all five of them well, thank you for having me very much. Thank you for coming on. You are welcome. And that's it. I always end the show by saying something. The thing.

Say it. The thing. I'm going to say it. Say the thing. Say it. We do. Say the much thing. Say the much part.

We love you very much. Much. There we go. It's always so vulnerable. Much. Telling people how you feel. Very intimate. Very much. Much. There we go. It's always so vulnerable. Much. Telling people how you feel. Very intimate. Very intense.

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