Some More News - Most Democrats Don't Want Biden in 2024 and EVEN MORE Casually Admitting You Do Coup

Episode Date: July 15, 2022

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Hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast my name's katie stole i couldn't agree more but i'm gonna try oh you're so right what hi i agree with you completely that we're the only podcast ever and my my name is Cody. Hi. Hi. Loving this energy up top. Doing great. This is great. Coming in hot. Joining us today are our friends, our pals, our former colleagues, colleagues still sometimes in certain situations.

This counts. This counts. Right now. Current colleagues, Michael Swayman, Adam Ganser. Whoa. Howdy, howdy. I should have said co-hosts of the One-Upsmanship podcast. That's also true.

That's also true. But there are just so many things that I can say about you. How do I fit it all in? It's just a big heart floating above our heads. A big heart. Yeah, that's all it is. Michael Swaim here, and I could not disagree less so i won't because that would be rude okay it's time to call out it's time to call out some holidays call them out

holidays uh here we go put them on blast it's finally here guys it's finally best deal day happy best deal day to everyone everywhere, especially those of you in France. We made it. Say it like this. We made it. Yeah. That's a prison, right?

That's a jail? Yeah. Probably. They stormed it. Oh, is it in honor of storming that jail? Great. Okay, that I can vibe with. That's good.

Groovy. I'm really into this. And then Friday, July 15th, is National Respect Canada Day. We all celebrate. We all celebrate. That's adorable. It's cool because everyone's always making jokes about canada give them one day also they might they marked it optional because they don't want to

impinge on your time it's a very polite day it's very polite i shouldn't have even said sorry i bet that's a sore subject for your canadians yeah respect canada day i love Canada. I've never been there, but I respect it. I do. It's up there. They have great gardens there. Have you ever heard of Bouchard Gardens? No. Oh, yeah, I have heard of Bouchard Gardens.

It's so chill if you're into plants. Okay. Yeah, what kind of plants? Not the ones that you got really excited about, Cody. Just the pretty ones. No, I love the pretty ones. Then those ones. Then all of those.

All of those. I don't need to get excited about weed. I see it every day. I mean, I've... They have flowers forever, Cody. They have an infinite time loop of flowers. That sounds gorgeous. Very cool.

It's just maple leaves and cheese curds and thorny brambles. Yep. Flowing from their various trees, you know? I love trees. Yeah. They got them. You know what? I like Canadians.

I've met a bunch of you guys, and I think you're swell. Truly. I like people who happen to be from places too. You're just good. I'll say this. I think we can say it. Yeah. I once, I met, the only time I've met Louis C.K. was in Canada.

And that's pretty much my impression of the country. Well. Oh. Did he do the thing? You can't let that ruin it for you. I haven't looked into it further. Michael, did he do the thing? Did he do the thing?

Did he do the thing? Did he do the thing? We shared an elevator together. So did he do the thing? I don't recall, but it was an ideal circumstance for it. Oh, boy. Oh, guys. Well, we've just seamlessly transitioned into chit chat, and I'm going to keep going with that train. How the heck are you?

I couldn't land that louis ck anecdote but other than that pretty good you could have just lied you know what i mean that was the right time to just just lie bro yeah oh i don't know that's dicey because then people start coming at you later like i heard you tell this anecdote and you all of a sudden every people everywhere think that now you're on the line for that anecdote right that's true that's true then That's true. Then Louie's showing up. They do get you by death by anecdote.

That happens all the time. You see it a lot. I'm still alive because I have very little anecdotes. Thank you for asking, Katie. And you haven't braved the wilds of Canada, which claims so many of our young people. I've never been- Actually, you know what's funny, Swaymo? I've been in an elevator with Bill Cosby. Oh, dear.

Wow, with our powers combined, we could have a real bad time. We could have a very interesting Saturday. What was that like? That was like before I knew who he was. Right, right. You know, and therefore, sadly. Wait, did he like knew who he was or like knew who he was? Knew the way you just did it with your tone and face.

It was just like that. Yeah, it was just like that. Yeah. It was actually pretty exciting because of that. It was at school. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It was cool until now. It was pretty cool. I'm sorry he ruined that memory for you. Yeah. What are you going to do? I'm sorry for the other stuff he did. Yeah, more of that. I'm just I'm just different like that. I miss you miss you guys it's fun it's fun seeing you chat and shoot the shit

everybody all here together jonathan suggested cracked reminiscing and yeah that we love doing that we we love you suggested that on an agenda you like wrote down reminisce about cracked that's a thing yeah i wrote cracked reminiscing is that a. That's a thing? Yeah, I wrote Cracked reminiscing. Is that a thing you all do? Hell yeah. And he found out that that is a thing we do before we record. We were reminiscing. Yeah, I was trying to seamlessly bring this in without embarrassing Jonathan, but then

I did it wrong. Jonathan, you're great. I love that suggestion. I love reminiscing. Me too. I was recently rewatching Stars starship icarus oh my god oh yeah oh my god i loved it yeah i love that show i did i thought that was a ganzer joint yeah man and that's why i'm bringing it up joint yeah yeah that's right jason wrote that that's

right everybody's performance is great mich Michael Ute with the AI. So I think it's funny. I wish we'd done more of it. I wish we'd done more of that one. That one most of all, actually, for me. Yeah. Sam, did you know that our CEO sent an email the minute it came out to Jack and said, make more immediately? Why did we make more immediately? Because it was extremely expensive. It was extremely expensive. Jack was like, that more immediately. Why did we make more immediately? Because it was extremely expensive.

It was extremely expensive. Jack was like, that sounds great, sir. And then he looked at the price tag. I'm going to pretend I didn't get this, sir. As CEO, you could give us more money. You could have. Could have. We don't need to name names.

But he didn't. And here we are. And now we're colleagues again. Still colleagues. Well, I don't know. That one looked incredible. We did some fun things. names but he didn't and here we are now we're colleagues again still colleagues yeah well i don't know that one looked incredible we did some fun things yeah that was a good one that's fun that was a good one we all fun it's fun eventually for me personally but yeah that was tough for cody he was in a lot of makeup oh i remember katie having to like strip her wetsuit off and hold it in front of an industrial fan yep that's right that's what happened at lunch 35 minutes or so because of the sweat issues involved my they made me a very

cool costume uh it was made out of like a scuba suit scuba suit neoprene yeah they didn't think at all about comfort at all it's well it's also budgets and everything She knocked it out of the park the way it looked And it was Body forming and I sweat You guys I sweat It was a tight space And a tight dress That was a tight dress

There's nowhere for the sweat to go But through the material Which is not good on camera The power of water. It sounds like a cake song. Tight space, tight dress. I just want to say, it's one of

Cody's greatest moments all time that he survived that shoot because Cody, I made him a bug. I was like, you know what, Cody should be a bug. Do that bug voice you do. He's a real bug. I was like, you know what? Cody should be a bug. And we were like, great. Do that bug voice you do. He's your new real bug.

You know the voice. Gonzo. Gonzo bug. Yeah. And then we didn't, because we're all still kind of new at this craft at that time, we didn't think about what it's going to be like for him to only have those eyes for the entire day. And Cody almost died of anxiety. And so the poor makeup artist had to recreate that mask every single day so

that Cody could take out the eyes and not die. Take it out. Could function. Of fear. Unreal. It was like eight hours of just like you're kind of scuba diving, but not. And it's like just this thing that's like glued to your but it looked

great it looked amazing it just felt very claustrophobic speaking of which cody and i once went scuba diving and he bailed on that too oh had a lot of anxiety yeah i think you get anxious when your head's handed you're claustrophobic yeah yeah this is fun this is fun we do have to talk about i saw. I saw some beautiful fish, though. Oh, not yet. I did some circling. It was amazing. I'll never forget on that trip, I shared an elevator with Adolf Hitler.

Oh, my God. But that was before we knew, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he did the thing. The big news, bro. He did do the thing. Yeah. He did do the thing.

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check out starship icarus i think it's around still anyway first up first topic jonathan take us away hit us fuck us up oh my god the pressure yeah uh there was a New York Times Santa College poll earlier this week. It found that 64% of Democrats, including 94% of Democrats between 18 and 29 years old, say they would prefer a different presidential candidate and not Joe Biden in 2024.

94% of Democrats 18 to 29 years old. That's fucking brutal. It's not funny. I mean, it is. But meanwhile, he's the only guy who can beat Trump, right? Things that are bad can be funny. Yeah, he's the only one.

He's the only one that can reign the Republican Party in. Why doesn't anybody, why didn't we ever take that seriously and make him promise during the first campaign to only run once? Well, so that was my first thing. Am I dreaming or did he not say that when he was? He did say that, right? He did. Yeah. He said he was he was there to be a transitional candidate.

He for a while was sort of playing it like it's going to be one term. I'm I'm I'm the guy who needs to transition from the old party to the new the new hip democratic party um and then he dropped that pretty quickly because i imagine that a little taste of presidential power is quite powerful and you want to stick around also if you're doing a not a great job and people talk about what a bad job you're doing i imagine he wants to stick around longer to prove that he didn't do a bad job, right? Yeah, I can fix it. Just let me, just give

me a little more time. I'll fix it. Give me four more years and I can do like a better job. It's kind of similar to Harding who campaigned on the return to normalcy but then he died two years into his term, which I don't think Biden will have the good graces to succumb to the decency to die and

make president kamala harris well i just it's odd as someone who uh never was fully or really at all wanting biden to be the president but still firmly obviously doesn't want the other thing. You're kind of in a, it's a privileged stance in and of itself because I can withstand this march of time better than many other people. But I do feel like I'm just sort of waiting for a certain demographic to thin out and then discover whether there's like. Are a lot of them in positions of power. Yeah, right. Whether or like just what the next turning of the page will will be. And there's so much I know I see hopeful signs from Jim Gen Z, although not across the board. You know, we all try to like zoom in on our bubble and try and make ourselves feel good sometimes but i do feel like we're either you know this this mat this like wave of populist fascism globally that we're seeing is either the last gasp of a demographic shift and will give

way to something pretty awesome maybe in 20 to 50 years or it's or it's like the clog that breaks the machine and it's all gonna blow up so as far as like whether biden's going to be the guy at the helm when it's like who cares man i don't know i have the privilege of not having to the have this be my constant beat so i'm going to come in and be the i guess i'm more of a gen xer than a millennial than i thought because i'm like it's all fucked man it's all what are you gonna do dude i don't know i'll do my diligence and vote for the thing or against the thing but they're still shooting all the kids like i don't right i don't know man yeah yeah they are still doing it's rough yeah yeah well i think there's degrees of it too right we're like they're because biden is again i've said this before i don't want to be too ageist

on this podcast he's old as fuck. That guy is fucking old, man. And there's like- He's dusty, that's for sure. He's dusty. Not only is he dusty and old, but he also is and was integral to contributing and creating the situation we're in now. Yes.

Joe Biden, Senator Biden, did a lot of the shit that he's like at the helm of the party who's like performatively saying we that we're bad things right so he can't really fully be like i was bad i did a bunch of bad shit and i made a lot of mistakes and we got to fix them so he's sort of in this position where he's like and also old we can't really confront everything head-on like it needs to be and it's sort of like holding on to this idea that politics are different or are not different rather are uh it's like we need to maintain what we used to have and do it's conservative liberalism right it's like yeah it's we have to conserve the institution

itself like let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here when i think a lot of us feel or i guess i'll just speak for myself but feel that like we're past that man it's like there's paradigms shifting and stuff he also pitched himself as kind of a ideological trojan horse you know i mean where it was sort of like he was going to be because he's the one that could get through the gates you know like he was going to be he can have conversations these yeah i used to go to the gym with these guys come on man like i can get my i can get your aoc in the door she can't get in the door without me right he's the only one that can get in the in the walls of you know i don't know political conversation but that's

i mean but like that's like but it's not true man whoever's the fucking president can do that and also whoever's the president actually creates those walls you know what i mean like i think that's the thing that like he sort of pitched in a world where donald trump was a fact and i think that a great democratic president would erase donald trump as a fact meaning that his the way he does politics wouldn't have to be the only way politics are done but biden can't do that he's not a strong enough leader to do that you know biden had so much energy and conviction or so much more than he's campaigning

than he's had in office. To me, it feels like, God damn it, I hate, hate to validate Donald Trump, but he does seem sleepy. He does seem sleepy and he does seem like he's forgetting things. I mean, he literally nods off. Sleepy Joe.

He doesn't have the energy for the task at hand well he had the energy to like defeat bernie sanders in the primary that's where that's where his energy went to poking poking voters in the chest it took it took him out it tuckered him all out all of his energy reserves he didn't have the energy to beat bernie sanders let's not forget what happened what happened is joe biden won a crucial primary victory and the entire party yeah then stopped running for president stacked the deck yeah and it's like agreed i don't know maybe like i mean i don't bernie doesn't fix my age problem so okay if that's a problem you know but he certainly seems but

there's there's a reason that the 94 of democrats uh say they prefer a different candidate would be fine with the old as fuck bernie sanders yeah because there's a difference like like i think we've talked about this before where it's like bernie's old but he but like he's young there's a difference what he's doing is young uh pete pete budaj is a young person pete budaj is old as fuck yeah like What he's doing is young. Pete Buttigieg is a young person. Pete Buttigieg is old as fuck. Yeah. Like what he is, what he's doing, you know?

And I think there's a big difference there. Only one third of the Democrats in that poll said age was the reason. Well, yeah, they're not going to admit to that. You know what I mean? Come on, let's be honest. They're not going to be like, in a poll, I think old people shouldn't be in charge. No, but I would say, if I would say would say that like i think it's fair to say if you think that your president is old as fuck you don't want i don't know you're worried about it

i think it is i think it no i think it is too but i also think that the reality i don't know maybe i'm just assuming i think we don't want to hear ourselves say that out loud. Well, I don't want my president to die midterm. Me neither. I would like it. So I think that that is something to consider. But again, there's a difference in energy and vitality between what Bernie Sanders is bringing to the stage versus Joe Biden. I feel like more and more it's a case by case basis because I do. Joe Biden. I feel like more and more it's a case by case basis because I do. Yeah. You say there is that Bernie does legitimately seem to you keep thinking, yeah, but on on the page and he's like, I'm still going. I guess you are, man. as more likely to die than the next guy, maybe.

But as people are living longer and longer and maintaining their vitality longer and longer, I feel like it's not ageist to say because it really is a person. It's a decision based on I don't I say that about the whole package that is Joe Biden without the age thing. Strip that away. He is an uninspired. He is not inspirational to me as a leader no he's a he's a warm glass of milk that was the whole point you're right he's a vote for i guess we'll just hold together and wait that's like it felt like yeah well and so eight instead of four years apparently this is this is an interesting part just holding patterns yeah

of this conversation i'm gonna make it a little broader here and talk about the midterms, which we're all prepared to lose. It feels like people have been talking about and sounding the alarms that we most likely are almost certainly, definitely going to lose the House, probably. Most certainly, definitely, probably. I'm not a wizard. I can't tell the future. What's interesting at some of the polling right now is that Democrats aren't doing as badly in the general election across the board than people feared. because of a variety of factors such as roe being overturned and you know the fall of democracy happening on our television screens and whatnot and and that that will uh counterbalance by the time we get to the actual midterms what we're gonna say cody oh just like also i think it's

like a a buck stops here type of situation where like broadly there's support for Democrats and like what they want to not necessarily do, but what they oppose. And it's easy to be like, well, who's the president? It's Joe Biden. What's he doing? And I think there's just it's easier to have a separation there. Well, I mean, sure. it it is interesting to see compared to how the democratic party in general is polling versus joe biden just just how much he's cratering he's cratering well he's not to bring it around around to like i think michael you were talking about it you know we got to blow the system up i'm looking at what's happening you know i'm looking at the wild rulings that are already muted in our memories because it's been weeks of just awful

things all the time but fundamentally catastrophic decisions that have been coming from the supreme court and that miranda rights thing was fucked up. That was crazy. For environmental protection. Unreal. The masks off. Gay rights next. You know, I it's this is the catastrophe that we were worried about. And we do not have a plan forward. So fuck it.

Why aren't you doing everything in your power to boldly state what needs to happen to, yes, push for whatever radical. There's a lot of things that you could do, but they don't do anything. They don't do anything. They say, come out and vote. And and and this is it's do or die, though. And we're all ready and waiting for the for leadership here. Right. It seems like it's a prime time for in speaking of historical forces. Right. There are times where it's difficult to find a crystallizing already had won and I'll do anything to execute. And, you know, if someone can show that they're actually taking action, like cumulatory, like effective action rather than just posturing, I think that that would like it's we're so ready for someone to burst forth and like encapsulate this and win our confidence. But it's it seems even weirder that I used to think it all my civic duty mostly boiled down to voting. Like, you know, we live in this

machine and I'm a neuron and I'm going to help decide the thing. And now it seems like, no, well, with the Supreme Court stuff, like the midterms seem less relevant to me than whether we're going to abandon the filibuster or not. Right. So it comes down to these like more technical rulings and like ways that they try to manipulate the system. And now I'm worried about that. It feels like I, you know, I long for the either some like a. Like a yeah, like Katie was saying, some kind of actual shift in the way the business is done, not just, oh, my side got four more seats this time. Right. And it might blow up in our faces like there might be some rallying where people don't get it and they're freaked out by Democrats. That might happen. But we've already lost. I've said this on the show before. Like, I don't know what else to do moving forward others do what they're gonna

do and i think uh like even like in terms of midterms i think that that is it's weirdly like that is important because uh they're going it's like it's weirdly like less important than like the presidential election in a way because these are the people who like if you have enough they can at least pretend to try to do something and right now you have like biden could be doing more there's no question there but he would have fewer excuses if there were like 54 democrats sure 56 democrats these like there there's it's just frustrating to see the they're like a few people and they're all mostly in the house who are like if you vote for

us here's what we want to do this and this and this and this and this and biden and like kamala don't really do that it's more just like vote for us and we'll try to do a thing they're bad at messaging i got a fundraising email immediately after the news story broke for Roe, which was extremely frustrating. I also think it's another thing to remember, and it's hard, is that right, like, I don't know, a month after the pandemic started, maybe less, Congress passed a sweeping several trillion dollar relief package. And it was not debated for a long time. Like, it was a pretty quick action, because they thought it was important, right? And they were able to deliver that. The only thing that's stopping them from doing something about any of this is they don't

think it's important enough, because they can do it. They have the resources, and they can structurally make these things happen. It's not important enough to them you know like I don't know what the solution to that is but I think it's important to remember that you know it's not important to them yeah well and like it's like not important to them but then also like

by not doing the things because they want to keep sending those fundraising emails right then they're going to get into situations I just keep seeing people talk about the filibuster and stuff like we don't want to do this because then we do that and then the republicans will use it to do x and y it's like they're going to do that anyway they're going to yes they are going to do like they're they're like for if you if they don't if the democrats if you don't do it do that and try to even like even packing the court like they're these things that have been talked about

for so long and the republicans when they're like officially in power again they'll do it they'll do it unapologetically they'll do they'll blame democrats they'll be like well they talked about doing it so we're gonna do it like they're very good at taking these sort of like the radical left and what they're saying on twitter and being like well they were they were talking about that so we're gonna do it anyway and then we're going to get away with it. It's such a good point, Cody. That's exactly how it'll play out, and it'll be devastating. It'll be infuriating. It'll be like the

way he upheld what? Well, if we get like, you know, fucking Fetterman and like they're like, just like enough. It's just very frustrating. Like you mean a candidate who is not afraid of offending somebody over an issue i don't even mean i don't even mean like uh presidential i just mean like

in congress just to stop that from happening to stop things from happening uh which is a very depressing sort of position to be in um because it is weird it's like what else well it's weird to be asked to care about civility because civility is definitely over as a as a political force and has been for i don't know 10 years or maybe longer so like every time i hear somebody appealing to civility and by that i mean status quo this is how things go we don't want to encourage them to be yeah clutching you're clutching your nose we'll resolve this at the ballot box my friend but well but those things are like i mean we have enough empirical evidence that uh that isn't a thing like like unfortunately we are kind of in the thomas hobbs space where it's like this is a social contract that's enforced by power

what you get away with is the rule of law you know like i mean yeah because otherwise what morality are we drawing on then that we're supposed to follow guys we gotta we gotta take an ad break but time flies in between ad breaks yeah we get we get to take we gotta get a take an ad break now but then we have to get the opportunity to take an ad break and thank you very much for the chance to advertise these products. Hello, ad watcher. If you're like me, you are planning to run a whole lot this summer. In the woods, on the sidewalk, a lot.

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Congratulations, us. For keeping our promise. We're the regular promise keepers. Transition. We're going to talk about January 6th committee. Jonathan, talk to us about what's been going on this week. Is it good? Yeah, several interesting. Yeah, did we get them?

Did we get the guy? They did the thing. Got them. At the hearings on January 6th. Yeah, there were a bunch of interesting things at the hearing on Tuesday. There was testimony from this guy, Jason Van Tatenhoff, who was a former oath keeper, who talked about how Stuart Rhodes had this idea to incite an armed rebellion and spark a new civil war. He detailed a very... Sorry.

He had this idea to spark a He wrote a spark of civil war. Just thinking about it. He's like this little... Toyed with it. Little like a nugget of an idea. He looked into the middle distance for a while and suddenly gasped. I know. I was like calling his friends like, okay, so like, all right.

So I had this idea. I was like, a few drinks, right? Guys, is this wacky? Yeah. Just, let me pitch it at you. Revolution. Sorry, John. I'm gonna go.

No, he was there alongside this guy stephen ayers who was a january 6th rioter um and he was there to talk about how they did what they did because of trump's tweets so most of this hearing was about tying what happened on january 6th very specifically to a december 2020 tweet where trump said statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 election big protest in dc on january 6th be there we'll be wild boo we'll be wild from 9 a.m to question mark does the idea like trump's like statistically it's actually impossible you don't fucking know he was he was quoting a report from you know some nonsense right um but i but they they showed how there were a bunch of right-wing militia groups that were like see he's telling us to do the thing on that day like um i think we're gonna get like the one thing i have

liked about these hearings more than any other truth that confirmed my feelings about stuff is that they have structured them well in a way that's like well i feel like there's got to be more right and there's always a new thing that's like fuck and now this uh so well it seems like they keep getting additional stuff it could be deleted secret service yeah right there's that are quite something well there's also like he's doing witness intimidation, which is like. Oh, yeah. Well, that's his classic Trump stuff. Like, that's like.

This is a fucking reality TV show. This is crazy. But like. I mean, the one thing the one thing that like we all I think every like all sides, both sides, all avenues of politics can agree is that Trump is like big on obstruction of justice and is guilty of it constantly all the time. Like that's the thing he does. But no one cares. Like Mitt Romney cares. And him alone.

I forget who else voted but like yeah he obstructs justice he fucking loves it and most of us don't like it but enough of us are cool with it so he can keep doing it. Well there's like two little factoids, I think. So one is there was a New York Times article that I was reading this week that suggested that Trump is actually pretty close to a dead heat with DeSantis now as a Republican nominee. And that says that these hearings probably are working.

Yeah, but. Maybe. I don't know. It's too much. Rick Santorum actually scares me more than trump i think desantis you mean i mean rick i mean yeah would absolutely scare me more than trump ron desantis yeah i don't like either of those names either but that's not we need desantis to be another slang term for like uh like, like sexual liquids.

They are like sexual liquids. Just like Google's Santorum slang for people listening. DeSantis is what you feed your bored ape to make it evolve, I think. That's right. DeSantis, yeah. You gotta get your DeSantis juices, right? It feels like for a while now, we've been on an escalating train of cognitive dissonance, like going ever higher and higher. And I can't think of a more. It's just amazing to think that there's a possible future that's very like not that far afield of reality where basically Nixon is elected post Watergate. You know what I mean like yeah we prove that the president is a criminal and everyone knows that and they elect him president and you're like just living in this dual reality it's also

the president pardons himself for crimes he committed to become president like what is this now it's so much worse though than Nixon like it's like hard to remember because it keeps happening oh Nixon's nothing Nixon like it's and like it's so interesting to think there was a time where our country was deeply outraged by what nixon did he broke into a hotel and his command and then lied about it how could that happen you know uh and he's out there saying crazy ass things like you know there is like there is nothing illegal when you're president like he's saying things like that and they're like fuck you bro you gotta go now trump could say literally anything right and has said literally yes yeah many times yeah yeah and uh but it doesn't matter i guess oh just like and then you have the alternative is desantis who's like the same guy but has the air of respectability

about him he terrifies me he's a little smarter too he's he's smarter he can actually do shit he will be smarter about covering up his bullshit he'll be smarter he'll have like you know uh some fucking patriot education law where you gotta like do the pledge three times a day if you want to go to fuck like it's he's he's able i think to do a lot of the stuff that trump pretends to want to do because trump doesn't give a shit about anything yeah he's not like oh i gotta we gotta attack the trans people now he doesn't know what that fucking means he has no idea what he's talking about when he says that stuff he has a list of like do this culture war thing say this do this phrase and people will go wild de santos knows what he's doing and talking

about he knows who he's playing to he knows um what he needs to do to like make him happy and it's just i don't know and he actually both are bad hates us like sets of crystallized like or people like he has focused his hate like a laser right whereas trump is like a opportunistic anything at any time that will aid me yeah yeah if you're if you're if you're bad if me bad to you then you bad that's all he yeah trump is mally i i even hate to say that because i don't quite mean it but kim kardashian shows up for a photo opportunity and you know he pardons a woman that deserved it you know like there are certain things you can play to trump's ego in a certain way sometimes it gets

something good is my point well people have talked about this with him like he's the the last person in the room guy if you're the last person in the room he's like you're all right whatever you said yeah oh that guy and but if you're the second to last guy in the room he'd be like that guy wait what do you have to say and he doesn't have morals or convictions of his own other than his own self-interest so versus ron desantis who desantis i need to make that clear he said his own name out loud before campaign It's DeSantis. In campaign videos, it's DeSantis. No. I don't agree. I'm cutting that. Show some respect for your friend's president. But he

has morals in their evil. He has specific evil beliefs. Anywho, some fun things from this testimony. More like test of funny. Yeah, we saw some of Pat Cipollone's testimony that was recorded and he talked about this meeting.

I'm sorry, Jonathan spelled his name out phonetically for us, and it's Cip-a-lone-y, which... Rhymes with testimony. Testimony. Oh, yeah, it sure does. I think that's why they wanted him to give it. That's why they called him. He found out that there was this meeting going on on December 18th where it was Trump, Sidney Powell, Michael Flynn, and Patrick Byrne, the former CEO of Overstock.com, all in one room.

And Pat Cipollone's like, why isn't anyone from the White House in there? Why isn't a lawyer like me in there? Yeah, right? Why? So he ran over there and burst into the room sydney powell said that when he came in she thought he set a land speed record and he first walks in he looks at patrick burn and he goes who are you to the overstock.com guy and he was and he you know a lawyer guy very like respectable in the january 6th committee footage and was like i didn't think

that they were giving him uh any good advice because they were talking about seizing voting machines and martial law and all kinds of uh michael flynn sydney powell stuff well that's the thing also where it's like a lot of this stuff is seeping into to those reasonable people like i feel like there are reasonable people who've been like well trump you can't just like fucking lie and like steal the machines like the election happened been like, well, Trump, you can't just fucking lie and steal the machines. The election happened. We know you lost. You lost, man.

You can't do that. But now we're in this position where in four years, two years now, there's going to be another presidential election, and they know what they want to happen. Trump was their tool to get the things they want to happen. And it fucking worked. Look at the Supreme Court. Look what they're doing. It worked for them but now they're in a position was like well reasonably we can like make laws that make it okay like they're like they can be in these meetings

in two and a half years and be like it's actually fine now because we made it legal um and it's just unsettling to know that there are all these things that they wanted to do after the election to be like, it was stolen. We got to take it back and trying to steal the election. And on the local level and all these places, they're trying to make that more possible. Yeah, that's the big distraction while they're doing the thing at the local level, too. Right. So that fewer reasonable people down the line will be like well that you can't do that that's like what because it's fine now we got to keep this train moving guys we got more territory

to cover how about some other related things from from the hearing i mean do you guys want to listen to john bolton we have to oh my god the coup attempts yeah i'll you have to. Come on. I'll play like a short clip of this. Not an attack on our democracy. It's Donald Trump looking out for Donald Trump. It's a once in a lifetime occurrence. I don't know that I agree with you to be to be fair with all due respect. One doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a coup. I disagree with that. As somebody who has helped plan coup d'etat, not here, but other places, it takes a lot of work. And that's not what he did.

Other places? My ex-wife's house? You can't just stumble around from one idea to another for a successful coup. You gotta focus up. It takes hard work, I know, from my experience in planning. planning coup d'etat. You gotta go, you gotta get down there to the coup mines every morning.

You gotta get down on it. You can't do a coup if you eat McDonald's every day. Come on. You gotta roll your sleeves up. There's something about this. I mean, there's so many things about this clip that are so unsettling. But I mean, first of all, obviously he's wrong. You can try to do a coup and be a fuck up. Oh, yeah.

That's such a dumb argument. Yeah, come on. That's a terrible argument. I've ruined many a Thanksgiving that way. Exactly. There are lots of failed coups. Living proof. Michael Swaim.

But there's like, obviously that's ridiculous but also to watch this happen and have him say that like jake tapper you know being a semi-reasonable man like oh i don't know if that's true it seems like he tried to do it anyway you can argue that like he failed but you can still try to do one um and then he said well i've done a lot i've tried i've planned a lot of coups in my day and jake tapper didn't go like what tell me pardon me yeah circling back on the thing you just said which ones and what yeah um and like we all we all know you know it's it's just like hearing the thing said out loud. And then this fucking like journalist be like, OK, well, all right.

Next segment. Even if he just even if he just jumped in and said CNN thinks coups are bad. That's our official stance on coups. Good to know. Glad you glad you, you know, admitted to that. good to know glad you glad you you know admitted to that um no more no more questions on the thing you admitted that's wild that you did and we'll move on down here like flashing his glasses too like you know like you thought it was so cool that he said that you know which is like nah man there's also i love that there's a there's this i can't think of the name of the account

and i'm maybe someone here knows there's a c there's a there's this i can't think of the name of the account and i'm maybe someone here knows there's a c there's a former like cia agent on twitter uh he does like he's like got clandestine uh operations in his bio and stuff and he's former cia and his fucking job basically is like i gotta respond to every person who tweets that the cia has done bad things in the past if they accuse you of doing a coup you gotta be like well you just don't know how the government works he does that constantly I think the guy you're talking about is John Cipher because he replied

he said he's full of shit he's never planned a coup and then people were like and you have sir and he says he was like my point is that Bolton's comment is dangerous because it sends a false signal to the American people that senior officials sit in the White House and choreograph coup. Nonsense. That's what he said they do!

Oh, it's so good. He's an amazing person because that's literally all he does online. He's just like, actually, we've never... What does coup even mean? What does plan mean? Also, like, fucking John Bolton could have sketched out a coup over dinner

for funsies on his own outside of the government. And Cypher wouldn't know. So fuck him. Yeah, exactly. Cypher doesn't have all of John Bolton's files. Okay, we gotta move on, guys. We gotta move on. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I have to finish my John Cypher situation. Okay. Please say song. Have you heard him? Please say improvised song. Their new album is not that great but john cypher situation they've they've done some good shows um he he just has this tweet

if anyone is familiar with matt tybee tabby i don't know how to pronounce it he's like a blogger online there's like this account that's clearly fake and it's nothing to do with matt and it's got like five followers and there are like five tweets from the past couple days of cypher being like you don't know what you're talking about matt you sold your soul to russia matt and he thinks he's like a real he's really the guy and it's very obviously a fake account parody version of this person and it's just funny to see like that's your cia training did some great work you can't tell the difference between a real person and a fake person online well he's living

proof because you have to be smart to plan a coup and he's proving through his actions that the cia could not have done they could never do it because they're so bad they don't even know what the fuck is going on on Twitter. Speaking of Twitter, thank you, Michael. Twitter is suing Elon Musk. Thank you, Twitter. There's the punchline. Tell us about that, Jonathan.

Yeah, Twitter's suing Elon Musk. They're attempting to force him to abide by the terms of the deal where he agreed to buy the platform for $44 billion. He signed a contract. The deal where he agreed to buy the platform for 44 billion dollars he signed a contract the deal that he he yeah he forced to happen yeah they're saying he's operating in bad faith he's been disparaging the company maybe he never intended to buy twitter in the first place the stuff we've been talking about for months now yeah we have a big surprise a deal that he braggadociously crammed down everyone's throats it's as if batman it happened it's like batman burst through the skylight and then slowly cranked himself back up like never mind never mind it's there's like who do you want everybody that's so funny michael there's gonna be an epic wrestler style return for jack

like the former twitter ceo like like that's what's gonna happen it's all gonna lead to like that's Jack's music and like people are gonna be cheering and he's gonna come down the aisle and fucking stun Elon Musk with his like three foot beard emaciated from his intermittent fasting yeah he's gonna kick

Elon with his sandals I don't know what will happen here and I honestly don't care um but what i because i hate talking about it we talk about him so much i hope he loses a lot of money that would be nice i also hope there's some comeuppance for the people the middle management people i know it's tough to be in middle management but it's so weird to me whoever sent that email around to the employees being like you know we're doing it we're selling to elon it's obviously not what you would want us to do but we all wish you well or whatever you know what i mean like it'll make some people a lot of money maybe not you it was so transparently a we're throwing you under the bus. Sorry. Sorry.

I'm not proud of this. Yeah. Yeah. Now they're like, no. Well, the bus driver tried to swerve out of the way, but we're going to force him to run you over. Like, we will not let this not happen. We are cashing out. Well, I think that it's I don't know the specifics of it, but I do think that what he did was put them in a terrible position and it affected their stock prices.

And, um, Tesla's too, but yeah, Tesla as well. Yeah. Yeah. He might, yeah,

absolutely. They might be able to extract penalties out of them and like not even necessarily get them to sell, but like he, I might have to pay fines and stuff and it might be about the one bill. There's a $1 billion breakup via fee. Cool. But I think it's possible for more.

Cause like, yeah, he waived due diligence. Yeah. He's lying about the bots. There's no, it's very transparent what he's trying to do. But I was reading that

it's hard to make Elon Musk do things. So. Right. That's why like a judge will have to be like, well, this is a pretty good case,

but I can't order him to pay 44 billion for a company he doesn't want. So I'll just, maybe I'll order him to pay $44 billion for a company he doesn't want. So maybe I'll order him to pay the breakup fee and maybe he'll pay it. I think he has no intention of doing that. Right. Well, that's the thing.

I think he knows. That's why it's always been such a joke to him. He does these things on a whim and he knows that they can't really do anything. They can't make me do anything. If I don't want to, I won't do it uh it's very trumpian obviously they're the same guy just uh different lives yes but uh he knows and i think a lot of people know it's like if he doesn't want to he just fucking won't and then there will be a fine one of the two richest men in the and the fine is nothing right exactly it's untouchable it's like yeah but here's a

fucking billion dollars i don't give a shit right uh i'm gonna go waste my money over here instead i'm gonna go sell dirt to poor people now i want to get to the to the real reason we're even mentioning it we're even more mentioning it trump weighed in jonathan can you please read us what trump posted on truth social when this news broke? Sure. He posted several truths, which is what the things are called. He truthed. What did he truth?

He truthed. Stop me at any time because he truthed a lot. So just interrupt my- Multiple truths. Yeah. Are they truths or truths? Truths. Truths.

Truths. I like truths better. So he, and picture- Oh, it is Truth Social. Sorry. Sorry. I'm truths better. So he and picture. Oh, it is truth social. Sorry. Sorry. I'm shutting. And as I'm reading this, imagine in your mind Trump sitting at his desk with that grin on

his face with Elon Musk standing next to the desk. Yeah. His little taco. Yeah. That's my heart shares the one smile he has. Yeah. When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocket ships to nowhere, without which subsidies he'd be worthless, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and a Republican, I could have said, drop to your knees and beg, and he would have done it.

I agree. No notes. No notes. He's not wrong. Don't even care if he's right or wrong. No notes. He's not wrong. Don't even care if he's right or wrong. Thank you for saying that out loud. Just thank you for those words being out there. Needed to be said. Yeah, needed to be said. Now Elon should focus on getting himself out of the Twitter mess because he could owe $44

billion for something that's perhaps worthless. Also, lots of competition for electric cars. He's right there too. I love that he's adding it in. Also, electric cars are bad. A PS. Incredible. Yeah, instead of just a third tweet, it's a PS.

I love it. So he's such a fucking, what is this brain? PS, why was Elon allowed to break the $15 million stock purchase barrier on Twitter without any reporting? That is a very serious breach. Have fun, Elon, and at Jack, go to it. At Jack. Yeah, at Jack, who is not on Truth Social, but they've created a profile for him in case he comes off.

An absurd chaos agent. That feels like a violation of Jack's privacy. I just wish he just kept going like just let's get it all out there pps right people don't like what you named your kid to my last ppps if he's president again and he gets will he get back on twitter what happens with truth social versus twitter and whatnot you know i think that's really dependent on if elon musk has to buy twitter right like if he because he buys it, he'll put him back on Twitter. If he doesn't, then they're not going to let him back on.

Although Facebook... They're beefing now. I feel like February of 2023 is when the Facebook ban ends. Oh, yeah. For Trump. I think he'll be... Exactly. He's going to announce and then a month later

he'll be back up and running. I just love this meeting of the mind we need we need uh anti-monopoly legislation for digital companies we don't have it we need it sorry yeah well it's it's uh not gonna happen i know well because like well because add it to the list adam democrats is like really low on their list and republicans is very high on their list but it's high on their list for the wrong reasons and they also don't really want to do anything they just want to complain about being shadow banned i know i know you guys talk about it all the time but i'm mad about it right now do it no go for it and this is the place to share your frustrations no it is a safe space and i think adams that's such a great point about digital monopolies

because it does seem like criminal the fact that i don't know i just typed in for example i've been thinking about this a lot lately right um what are amazon's competitors like who is and uh the top thing that came up is thrive and i'm like you made that up you've never heard of that right that's not real Thrive Market Thrive Market is just a grocery store You prepared this bit with Katie Beforehand I'm going to mention Thrive and you're going to say

Thrive Market and you're going to pretend that you know What he's talking about it's going to be a whole thing And now a word from our sponsors Thrive Use promo code Amazon Another one of the tricky aspects of facebook's monopoly is that like there's nothing stopping them from purchasing every major competitor and the fcc is trying to ban tiktok right now for reasons that are probably good because of the you know stealing of information, but TikTok's

kind of necessary as an antithetical force to Facebook, man, and to YouTube and stuff, right? I don't know. Anyway, sorry. I know that's a tangent, but that's a problem. It's not. Because TikTok is like, there's that stuff and also just like

the things they push are breaking our brains in a lot of bad ways. Um, like all social media really. Um, but yeah, they can't like,

and even YouTube can't keep up. YouTube has YouTube shorts now. I've seen them. They're TikToks. Yeah, they're done. They are five month old. Yeah,

they're done. Yeah. Well, it is really, if I was a TikTok creator and rest assured, I've been outlawed because I'm too old. Uh, really bad. If I was a TikTok creator, and rest assured I've been outlawed because I'm too old, but if I was,

I would just be double dipping on YouTube shorts. That's all it would be, is cynical, worthless clicks. That's what most clicks are. I know. The one thing I do like about this story is I like that sometimes Trump can be accidentally right. You know what I mean?

I like that once in a while, like a broken clock, he just shows up and it's like thanks trump that's the one dunk that actually mattered uh and i liked it yeah it's when like sometimes he picks the right target and you're like yeah say that shit everybody kept calling terrorists losers remember that shit like very like it was like that's actually i think you said that cody and i like that really resonated with me it's like yeah they are losers that's right uh there was a tweet

he had specifically was like yeah the all these terrorists are fucking losers yeah you're right they are damn right okay Jonathan let's wrap this up with the fun story with the story of space and time speaking of Elon

Musk do you have anything like that oh yeah it's perfect for made space boring and bad but actually nasa can make it good and yeah and it's perfect for an audio medium like this who will be describing images you will then have to maybe i'll put a link i do think yeah angelic maybe maybe he'll put a link maybe Maybe. If you're lucky. But if he doesn't put a link, you've probably already seen it shared on social media. And if you haven't, you can Google it. Google awe. But it is pretty fucking incredible.

Here's a lengthy description. Get on one of Musk's rockets to nowhere and check it out. Yeah, NASA released the first bunch of images from the James Webb Space Telescope and they're incredible. The one that's getting shared the most is a version of what we had from the Hubble, but it is like thousands of galaxies.

Yeah. Hubble Deep Field used to be my phone background for years and years and years and I need to update it because it's just incredible to see what look like stars, but they're actually galaxies. And if you zoom in, you can see them. It's so cool.

They say it looks like thousands of galaxies, and they say it fits in the sky in the space of if you put a grain of sand on your finger and held it at arm's length. It's literally just a point. It's a point. Yeah. Looking at this image here, so when you look at stars,

they aren't shaped like the way we draw stars, right? They're just dots. But if you look at this image, they actually are shaped like stars. Doesn't that depend on the- It's the bending of the light and the location of them well because the farther away ones

the farther away ones are galaxies and they're not they're the ones that don't actually look like stars I'm pretty sure the ones that look like stars are stars because they're closer to us and so we get more light and then some like glass lens shit I don't know I think I was going gonna ask adam as a

director it also has to do with the type of lens that it is that the light's going through absolutely uh and other director words that make you think i know more about this uh cool telescope telescope uh field of view and depth of field depth of field there you go because one of the one of the pictures is um it's like the reason we get it is because the there's like uh i'm not this is not going to be entirely accurate and i apologize but i just think space is so cool i want to try to uh there's a mass of stuff in space and mass bends light and so what we're seeing is it's kind of this weird like the lens that we're using like the telescope we're using is pointed in a direction and then it goes around the object to see what's behind it because the way the object works it bends the light so we're like

kind of going through it without actually going through it because the light we're receiving is already being bent and going around it it's wild and it's like hundreds of millions and millions of years in the past so that's wild

I want to see what it looks like now though I wonder if shit's gotten fucked up. You want that fresh, yeah, that up-to-date shit. I'm like, yeah, but we've been doing shit for a while. I bet other places are, too. Like, have we fucked that up, too? Run down galaxies. That's what it's going to be.

That's why my quick Star Wars pitch, when it says a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, what it's talking about is literally just a picture of space. Because if you get images from space, it's a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. You're looking into the past. Okay, nerd. like you see this video and it's like, oh, they're going to go, they're going to leave their galaxy and come to our galaxy. But they arrive at the exact time

that we receive the image because the image is on the past. That's going to thrill moviegoers. It catches up with you. Like that made it. Oh my gosh. It thrilled them. Get your ass in the seats,

go to the theater, see Thor Love and Thunder, and appreciate how allegedly bisexual it is, even though the two main characters are cis and kiss each other. What? There's also another cool Jupiter out there, is what I'm understanding from articles I read trying to understand it. There's another. My understanding from this James Webb image is that there's probably a few. There's probably a lot of every kind of planet. I think the wildest thing about all of this after the grain in the sand comment is, you know, it's the craziest of all.

I still care about my life and stuff that happens around me yeah i wanted it so i have a specific conversation seems silly that i had with cody like several years ago we were all in the desert looking at the stars and shit and i don't remember exactly what you said but but I remember feeling so relieved. Like the magnitude of how insignificant we are and the vastness of everything felt like a relief. I know some people metabolize that differently and find it to be incredibly stressful. But to me, I'm like, wow, I am nothing and I'm everything, our particles.

But when I look at this image, I mean, I'm reminded of that and that feels peaceful to me. I'm so bewildered by it. I know this is the question for everybody and we don't. It just blows my mind because I think of things, a thing that exists. These glasses, they exist because they have edges. They exist within another space right what is space what is the space that we live in what's beyond it what container keeps space and it but it's expanding we will never ever ever know ever know while we're alive we will never know we will never

know we might not know we might not figure it out others can yeah that's part of it right we're maybe unless someone comes to us with the answer what we're doing here now does not give me faith that we can figure that out if we can't figure this shit out i mean a lot of stuff we didn't even know like 50 60 years ago that we know now information even like you know it's very cliche but e equals mc squared is like, oh, E equals MC squared. That just means that matter is light. That's so fucking, what? That's fucked up.

We're all made of light. Kind of. Technically, we could be in theory. It's all the same. It's all the same. It's amazing. It is very cool. I'm glad whatever I said that I also don't remember. I don't remember.

We'd smoked weed or something. It doesn't sound like me. I'm glad whatever I said that I also don't remember. I don't remember. We were, we'd smoked weed or something. Ah, it doesn't sound like me, but I remember I, I felt this immense, immense relief. And I think about that conversation, not the specifics cause it's gone,

but the feeling I took from it. Okay. I think we've covered some really solid territory today. My friends, um, I feel good about it. Oh, the graveyard of stars, but also the birthplace of stars. really solid territory today, my friends. Google the nebulas. It's the graveyard of stars, but also

the birthplace of stars. What an incredible universe we live in. What an incredible universe, indeed. At that exact moment that you felt relieved, another Katie on a planet far, far away absorbed all of your stress. That's right. That's how this works.

That's what E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity. If you're not aware of us and our deal, our names are Adam and Michael. They are. number one and then the word upsmanship and it's a podcast all about video games and how we believe that they're to be taken seriously as an art form and it's also more fun than it sounds based on that description but yeah we break down uh classic video games favorite video games interview developers and basically uh sort of just tackle the medium and discuss it at length like two old friends who played video games their entire lives and we'd love for people to join in the conversation it's a new show freshly on the iHeart network so we are colleagues it is true and that was the main reason that we did the show so we could be colleagues again. Yeah. I also love the description. Like you're like,

yeah, we break down video games, but also love like, yeah, we take games seriously. And every episode we break down in tears about how much video. That's right. It's just,

it's like just so many pixels. We can get the number of pixels. He's a pixel guy. The pixels are overwhelming. Adam's a pixel guy. I'm a polygon guy. And together we make it work. Yeah, you got to have both sides.

You got to have all perspectives. Yeah, yeah. Adam, would you add anything about one-upsmanship? No. You know why? Because as an excellent partner, which you are, you did a perfect job. I don't need to add anything other than we have fun and come join it. Please do.

Perfect job. Perfect support. Perfect support. Your teamwork is really lovely to witness and the way you support each other here on this show and on your show and in life. Okay.

You guys are great. This has been fun. You. But let's get the fuck out of here. You are though. Let's get the fuck out of here. But hey, listeners, don't you forget.

Don't do it. We love you very much very much